Rand Paul a Member of AIDS-Denying Conspiracy Theory Group

The Louisville Courier-Journal reports that Rand Paul is a member of the totally whacked-out Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, a group with an innocuous-sounding name that touts some really insane conspiracy theories: Rand Paul part of AAPS doctors’ group airing unusual views.

Republican U.S. Senate nominee Rand Paul belongs to a conservative doctors’ group that, among other things, has expressed doubts about the connection between HIV and AIDS and suggested that President Barack Obama may have been elected because he was able to hypnotize voters.

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, based in Tucson, Ariz., advocates conservative and free-market solutions on health care and a variety of other political issues.

But it also uses its medical journal and Website as forums for unorthodox medical views.

Rand Paul, a Bowling Green ophthalmologist, has touted his credentials as a doctor during this year’s Senate race against Attorney General Jack Conway, a Democrat.

Rand Paul isn’t the only far right GOP candidate associated with this weirdo physician’s group: Group Promoting Sharron Angle Event: AIDS Deniers, Birthers, Conspiracy Theorists.

And another tea party advocate who’s a member of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons: Dr. David McKalip, a former Ron Paul campaign worker recently in the news for emailing to a Tea Party mailing list a picture of Barack Obama dressed as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose.

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278 comments

1 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 3:59:09pm

I missed Bill Frist.

Seriously, Rand Paul makes me want to cry, but to make sure none of you guys get HIV first I'll need to put some condoms on under my glasses....

2 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:01:52pm

I'm sure one of the common threads amongst such groups is that AIDS was God's plan to punish the sinners.

3 Johnny2Times  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:03:01pm

Dean Esmay (remember him?) is a huge proponent of AIDS denialism. Going to be interesting to see how he spins this on his blog since he opposes people like Rand Paul.

My guess is he'll suddenly discover some good qualities in him. Stay tuned for some posts over at Dean's World lauding R. Paul for his "courage."

4 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:07:15pm

It's Official: Hottest Day Ever for Los Angeles

The all-time record high of 112 degrees set on June 26, 1990 at the Civic Center was topped at 12:15 p.m. PDT Monday as the temperature reached 113 degrees.

The temperature was still climbing during the first part of the afternoon in the downtown area.

Records for the downtown area date back more than 80 years.

Weather stats are one of my minor interests. I can't think of any precedent for this on a non-summer day anywhere.

5 freetoken  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:08:49pm

AAPS is headed by Jane Orient.

Who is Jane Orient? Well, for one, she is a board member of Art Robinson's "institute".

I call it the "Web of Idiocy."

6 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:08:53pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

I missed Bill Frist.

Seriously, Rand Paul makes me want to cry, but to make sure none of you guys get HIV first I'll need to put some condoms on under my glasses...

I miss Bill Frist.

PIMF just like always for me......

7 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:12:26pm

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel

It's Official: Hottest Day Ever for Los Angeles

Weather stats are one of my minor interests. I can't think of any precedent for this on a non-summer day anywhere.

wow.

8 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:12:32pm

re: #5 freetoken

AAPS is headed by Jane Orient.

Who is Jane Orient? Well, for one, she is a board member of Art Robinson's "institute".

I call it the "Web of Idiocy."

All roads seem to lead back to Ron Paul.

9 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:12:58pm

Ron Paul is a real epicenter for all kinds of bad craziness.

10 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:13:00pm

Oh Jesus, reading the article it just gets worse:

The association included in its journal an article criticizing governmental efforts to encourage people to stop smoking as costly and ineffective and suggesting that the focus on the addictive nature of nicotine is wrong.

“Repeating the message that nicotine is habit-forming convinces some smokers that their habit is not their fault and that they would be silly to attempt to quit on their own,” wrote Michael L. Marlow, a professor at California Polytechnic State University.

Marlow has received grants to study smoking bans from the Philip Morris Management Corp., the parent company of the cigarette manufacturer, according to a note in the journal that accompanies the article

... and worse ...

The AAPS opposes peer-review boards, which review complaints against doctors and punishes those who make mistakes, and it is critical of the federal government for charging physicians with crimes for over-prescribing pain medication.

On the group’s Website, Dr. Lawrence Huntoon, a former AAPS president, calls peer review “an insidious and spreading evil which threatens to destroy not only the integrity of the medical profession but quality care for all patients.”

... and what the hell?

The AAPS advances the claim that women who have abortions are at a higher risk for breast cancer, although the National Cancer Institute and the American Cancer Society say there is no such link.

And the group opposes mandatory vaccinations and promotes a now-discredited study linking thimerosal, a longtime component of many vaccines, to autism in children.

They're like a publisher's clearinghouse for ridiculous quack-nuttery.

11 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:13:19pm

suggested that President Barack Obama may have been elected because he was able to hypnotize voters

"The management of symptoms associated with paranoid schizophrenia is believed to be easier than finding a cure for this devastating illness"

12 darthstar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:13:38pm

Rand Paul and Jack Conway are tied now...things are looking good in Kentucky.

13 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:13:49pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, I just spent some time on their website. Epic stupidity.

14 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:16:32pm

re: #9 Charles

Ron Paul is a real epicenter for all kinds of bad craziness.

Speaking of which....
Ron Paul to open Virginia Tea Party convention in Richmond


Nationally known speakers will include Lou Dobbs, Dick Morris, John Fund, Herman Cain, Jenny Beth Martin, and Virginia (Ginni) Lamp Thomas. According to the group, Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell will give his blueprint for streamlining state government. In addition, Rep. Steve King of Iowa, Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli and former Virginia governor and senator George Allen are on the program.
15 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:18:08pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

And the group opposes mandatory vaccinations and promotes a now-discredited study linking thimerosal, a longtime component of many vaccines, to autism in children.

wait, I thought "autism" was just a politically correct special interest?

16 RogueOne  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:18:44pm

re: #12 darthstar

Rand Paul and Jack Conway are tied now...things are looking good in Kentucky.

Just as a reminder, I'm on the record as having a Paul win by 15 pts.

17 RogueOne  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:19:36pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

I thought Dick Morris just hated clinton, I guess he really has swung to the right.

18 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:20:17pm

re: #16 RogueOne

Just as a reminder, I'm on the record as having a Paul win by 15 pts.

You're five weeks behind the times Rogue....

[Link: www.courier-journal.com...]

19 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:21:26pm

That whole HIV is not AIDS thing went a decade agre: #11 engineer dog

suggested that President Barack Obama may have been elected because he was able to hypnotize voters

"The management of symptoms associated with paranoid schizophrenia is believed to be easier than finding a cure for this devastating illness"

Is that "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"?

20 RogueOne  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:21:36pm

re: #18 jamesfirecat

You're five weeks behind the times Rogue...

[Link: www.courier-journal.com...]

I think you mean 5 weeks ahead. Catch up.

21 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:21:58pm

re: #19 Rightwingconspirator

Oh sure blew that format. Ugh.

22 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:22:17pm

re: #20 RogueOne

I think you mean 5 weeks ahead. Catch up.

Yeah, because I see Rand Paul leaping ahead 10 points in the polls everyday now!

Because he's just said so many things that main stream independents can get behind!

23 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:22:51pm

re: #19 Rightwingconspirator

That whole HIV is not AIDS thing went a decade ag

Is that "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"?

You've still got 'radical gay activists' pushing it on the 'left' as well as freakazoids like this, on whatever side of politics they think they're on.

Enough to make you cry and swear.

24 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:23:03pm

re: #22 jamesfirecat

Yeah, because I see Rand Paul leaping ahead 10 points in the polls everyday now!

Because he's just said so many things that main stream independents can get behind!

Your lack of faith in the Aqua Buddha has been noted.

25 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:23:08pm

re: #17 RogueOne

I thought Dick Morris just hated clinton, I guess he really has swung to the right.

He has a history of creepy associations. I think he worked to the Uk's conservative nationalist party UKIP (BNP lite). He might just be all all purpose Dick.

26 RogueOne  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:23:13pm

re: #22 jamesfirecat

Yeah, because I see Rand Paul leaping ahead 10 points in the polls everyday now!

Because he's just said so many things that main stream independents can get behind!

In 5 weeks and 3 hours you'll be apologizing.

I may or may not accept./

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:23:45pm

re: #22 jamesfirecat

Yeah, because I see Rand Paul leaping ahead 10 points in the polls everyday now!

Because he's just said so many things that main stream independents can get behind!

As opposed to things that will make mainstream independents hide behind rocks and peer out nervously from time to time?

28 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:24:55pm

re: #26 RogueOne

In 5 weeks and 3 hours you'll be apologizing.

I may or may not accept./

Once again you've got that backwards.

In 5 weeks and 3 hours you may or may not be apologizing.

I'll accept.

29 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:25:31pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

He has a history of creepy associations. I think he worked to the Uk's conservative nationalist party UKIP (BNP lite). He might just be all all purpose Dick.

"Dick Morris is a lying sack of shit."
-- Jon Stewart

30 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:26:19pm

anybody here a plumber? my space sink is clogged and liquid plumber isn't working and i don't have a garbage disposal thing.

31 RogueOne  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:26:48pm

re: #30 SpaceJesus

Plunger.

32 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:27:25pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

He has a history of creepy associations. I think he worked to the Uk's conservative nationalist party UKIP (BNP lite). He might just be all all purpose Dick.

I'm pretty sure Dick Morris is a human-animal crossbreeding attempt that resulted in a toad with a fully functioning human brain.

33 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:27:26pm

re: #30 SpaceJesus

re: #31 RogueOne

Plunger.

snake

34 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:27:32pm

re: #30 SpaceJesus

anybody here a plumber? my space sink is clogged and liquid plumber isn't working and i don't have a garbage disposal thing.

Plunger? Boiling hot water? Industrial heavy duty pipe cleaner?

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:28:21pm

re: #32 Charles

I'm pretty sure Dick Morris is the result of a human-animal crossbreeding attempt that resulted in a toad with a fully functioning human brain.

As opposed to us God-fearing human-mouse hybrids?

36 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:28:40pm

re: #32 Charles

I'm pretty sure Dick Morris is the result of a human-animal crossbreeding attempt that resulted in a toad with a fully functioning human brain.

You may only be"pretty sure" but I bet Christine O'Donnell has written a term paper on it!

37 RogueOne  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:28:56pm

re: #31 RogueOne

If it's a 2 sink basin, plug the sink not directly connected to the drain pipe. Then snake if you have to, you can rent one that attaches to a drill at your local hardware store or tool rental.

38 theheat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:28:58pm

Racist? Liar? Parader of boogymen? Anti-science? Hater? These voters would pull the lever for the worst of the worst, all because they believe in some small thing those people said or done has merit.

How Rand Paul, Ron Paul, and the rest of the parade of idiots got to where they - this is how. Voters are happy to hold their nose about any of the rest of it. Usually, they agree with the rest of it. That's the chilling part.

39 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:29:26pm

re: #36 jamesfirecat

You may only be"pretty sure" but I bet Christine O'Donnell has written a term paper on it!

On her hand no less.

40 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:30:34pm

re: #37 RogueOne

ah, i was just about to get out my spear fishing gun but this sounds better

41 darthstar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:30:43pm

re: #16 RogueOne

Just as a reminder, I'm on the record as having a Paul win by 15 pts.

I had the Vikings opening up the season 3-0. Didn't happen...should have, but didn't.

The real question though, is, do you WANT Rand Paul to win by 15?
:)

42 RogueOne  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:32:06pm

re: #41 darthstar

I had the Vikings opening up the season 3-0. Didn't happen...should have, but didn't.

The real question though, is, do you WANT Rand Paul to win by 15?
:)

Hell yeah. I'm a hoosier, the only thing that could make me happier is if ODonnell were running in KY.

43 freetoken  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:34:39pm

re: #8 Charles

All roads seem to lead back to Ron Paul.

Well, Ron Paul was mentored by Larry McDonald, head of the JBS, who of course was mentored by Jack Welch.

Welch founded the JBS in at the end of 1958. Coincidentally (?) that is the period in which Rushdoony was writing his first book, which he published the following year in 1959.

I've not researched if there any connections between Rushdoony and Welch, but many of the paths to idiocy which the modern American right-wing are following seem to have passed through those two people.

44 RogueOne  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:35:22pm

re: #40 SpaceJesus

ah, i was just about to get out my spear fishing gun but this sounds better

If it's a slow drain and you can wait until the water drains entirely you can use a bottle of acid, you can buy it at any home improvement store. I live in a house of long haired women and I use it every 6 months. Just don't pour it in standing water and be prepared for the stench.

45 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:36:42pm

re: #44 RogueOne

If it's a slow drain and you can wait until the water drains entirely you can use a bottle of acid, you can buy it at any home improvement store. I live in a house of long haired women and I use it every 6 months. Just don't pour it in standing water and be prepared for the stench.

Wow

the woman who I live with's hair doesn't have a stench!!

///

46 freetoken  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:36:59pm

re: #43 freetoken

PIMF Robert Welch.

47 darthstar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:37:08pm

re: #42 RogueOne

Hell yeah. I'm a hoosier, the only thing that could make me happier is if ODonnell were running in KY.

I don't think she uses KY...against her religion or something like that.

48 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:37:26pm

re: #44 RogueOne

I live in a house of long haired women

in that case, i will volunteer to come over and clear the drain myself

49 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:37:26pm

re: #38 theheat

Racist? Liar? Parader of boogymen? Anti-science? Hater? These voters would pull the lever for the worst of the worst, all because they believe in some small thing those people said or done has merit.

How Rand Paul, Ron Paul, and the rest of the parade of idiots got to where they - this is how. Voters are happy to hold their nose about any of the rest of it. Usually, they agree with the rest of it. That's the chilling part.

Looks like you're metering out one great comment per thread today.

50 theheat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:38:00pm

re: #30 SpaceJesus

Sometimes (lots of) boiling hot water and a plunger will get things broken up enough that Liquid Plumber will work. Just don't get to splashing if LP is already in the water, or you'll bleach and nuke everything within splash radius. That stuff is toxic as hell.

51 freetoken  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:38:15pm

"Jack Welch" was the head of GE and a famous player in the media business.

Robert Welch is the JBS guy. I don't think they're related.

52 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:39:00pm

re: #50 theheat

Oops, that makes two on this one.

53 theheat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:39:15pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

Huh? I've been doing other stuff. I've checked in some lately, but real life has had me preoccupied.

54 Liberal Classic  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:39:25pm

AIDS denialism is worst sort of conspiratorial pseudoscience. I honestly wish Rand Paul and company would abandon free-market rhetoric, because I honestly don't think they have any more respect for the science of economics than they do for mainstream biology. The only thing they are managing to accomplish is to tar fiscal restraint with the brush of racism and bigotry.

55 darthstar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:39:33pm

re: #50 theheat

Sometimes (lots of) boiling hot water and a plunger will get things broken up enough that Liquid Plumber will work. Just don't get to splashing if LP is already in the water, or you'll bleach and nuke everything within splash radius. That stuff is toxic as hell.

Another option is to plug one sink drain with a towel, then put a garden hose into the other, and let her rip...unless you have the loosely fitted pipes I have under my sink...a cat fart will separate the p-trap on that sucker.

56 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:39:38pm

re: #51 freetoken

"Jack Welch" was the head of GE and a famous player in the media business.

Robert Welch is the JBS guy. I don't think they're related.

Herbert Welch was my elementary school principal.

57 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:40:15pm

re: #44 RogueOne

it's going down better now after i decided to pour in a bunch more liquid plumber. this is all from cleaning my wok and rice cooker over the course of about a month, so it's all just old rice and onion and garlic skins in there i think.

58 freetoken  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:40:26pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

Herbert Welch was my elementary school principal.

And Thomas Welch had a thing for grapes.

59 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:41:49pm

re: #53 theheat

Huh? I've been doing other stuff. I've checked in some lately, but real life has had me preoccupied.

One here.

One here.

One here.

60 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:42:41pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

Herbert Welch was my elementary school principal.

I like Welches Grape Jelly!!

61 darthstar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:43:22pm

re: #57 SpaceJesus

it's going down better now after i decided to pour in a bunch more liquid plumber. this is all from cleaning my wok and rice cooker over the course of about a month, so it's all just old rice and onion and garlic skins in there i think.

Another option, if you feel like taking a slightly physical risk, is to climb up on your roof...there will be a ventilation pipe above your kitchen. Pour the liquid plumber down that as it will hit any blockage that might be between the kitchen pipes and the main.

62 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:43:55pm

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel

It's Official: Hottest Day Ever for Los Angeles

Weather stats are one of my minor interests. I can't think of any precedent for this on a non-summer day anywhere.

My parents will still not turn on their AC.

63 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:45:03pm

re: #57 SpaceJesus

it's going down better now after i decided to pour in a bunch more liquid plumber. this is all from cleaning my wok and rice cooker over the course of about a month, so it's all just old rice and onion and garlic skins in there i think.

Careful

Don't pour TOO much. It'll eat away at the PVC, especially where two pieces are joined

64 theheat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:45:33pm

re: #57 SpaceJesus

One time I poured old tapioca pudding in the drain, forgetting the garbage disposal didn't work. Threw some LP in there and went to watching TV.

Within about 20 minutes I heard some gurgling. Then a noise like boiling water. Then some of a burping sound. I went in to check on the progress, and all of a sudden an eruption of tapioca that resembled a small Mt. Vesuvius. It was on the ceiling, the walls, the floor, the counter top, the cat... I never saw so much rotten tapioca.

I imagine old rice might have the same effect. The onions will add to the slime factor.

65 darthstar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:45:51pm

re: #60 sattv4u2

I like Welches Grape Jelly!!

I like Gillian Welch...and she'll be at Hardly Strictly Bluegrass this year...along with other such notables as Emmylou Harris, Boz Skaggs, Steve Earl, Yonder Mountain String Band, and, yes, MC Hammer (hence "hardly" strictly bluegrass)...

66 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:49:15pm

re: #53 theheat

re: #59 wrenchwench

One here.

One here.

One here.

theheat (oh and damn you today) the first one about your dad's emails was epic.

67 theheat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:50:45pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

Truth be told, real life has been kicking my ass, and not the other way around. My dad's health has been one big part of the stinking turd that is real life lately. Ultimately, I see the effect the GOP party has had on his mental health, and resent the shit out of it, and that goes double for every Comic Sans animated puppy functionally illiterate email sending GOP fundie fuckwit that thinks they're doing him a favor "keeping him in the loop," which boils down to scared, mad, ignorant, and pissed off.

Holy crap, do I need a drink. Make it a double.

68 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:50:57pm

re: #63 sattv4u2

Careful

Don't pour TOO much. It'll eat away at the PVC, especially where two pieces are joined

Flush out the pipes for a while after the clog dissipates.

69 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:52:51pm

Bah! I can't get past the first page of the Courier article. All the page links dead.

70 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:52:53pm

re: #67 theheat

Ultimately, I see the effect the GOP party has had on his mental health, and resent the shit out of it, and that goes double for every Comic Sans animated puppy functionally illiterate email sending GOP fundie fuckwit that thinks they're doing him a favor "keeping him in the loop," which boils down to scared, mad, ignorant, and pissed off.

Some people turn their stress into art. You seem to be a writer.

71 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:53:41pm

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Flush out the pipes for a while after the clog dissipates.

Bingo

Cold water

72 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:54:16pm

re: #70 wrenchwench

that goes double for every Comic Sans animated puppy functionally illiterate email sending GOP fundie fuckwit

Is that too long to rotate?

73 _rEmEmBeRtOnYc  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:55:04pm

The kooks need to lose elections in a way that shows the party faithful the difference between the yahoos and the more centrist northerners. People need to see how more moderate Repubicans in the north can get some Dem votes. Because if the GOP thinks they don't need Dems in their corner, they will lose for a long time. Hopefully the adults will take note.

74 darthstar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:57:23pm

re: #73 _rEmEmBeRtOnYc

WTF happened to your handle?

75 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:57:29pm

re: #73 _rEmEmBeRtOnYc

Dude, your caps lock had a major problem. check your nic.

76 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:58:03pm

re: #73 _rEmEmBeRtOnYc

Don't change.

77 lIbErAl ClAsSIc  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:59:16pm

re: #74 darthstar


re: #73 _rEmEmBeRtOnYc

WTF happened to your handle?

ROFL

78 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:01:39pm

re: #77 lIbErAl ClAsSIc

ROFL

Shhhhhh ... It's a code for iran's nuke plant that I'm sending to Mossad. Some of us EARN our checks.

79 lostlakehiker  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:04:21pm

re: #16 RogueOne

Just as a reminder, I'm on the record as having a Paul win by 15 pts.

I think you've gone too long without sleep or something. Paul will be lucky to win at all. If the Republicans sweep, winning control of House and Senate, with a big majority in the House, then yeah, Paul could squeak by. But I'm betting he gets 10 points less than the average Republican gets---a deficit which will sink him if the election is close enough for his vote to make a difference.

There's a science-denial trend out there. It's part of a wider situation. With everything going to the dogs, (including the climate, where we actually do know why) people cast about for some simple, personal-narrative type answer.

It's the [fill blank]s. They put their own interests ahead of [us good folk in the target audience]. They hold power through nefarious means, such as [make some shit up]. If only we didn't have [them] to contend with, everything would be [paint some rosy scenario].

Jews, Doctors, Cosmopolitans [Jews], Kulaks, Capitalists, Communists, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Immigrants, Nativists, Scientists, Darwinists, Unions, Insurance Companies, Banks, Pharmaceutical Companies, Basques, Kurds, Zionists, Greeks, Armenians, I swear, somebody somewhere has blamed it all on Cat Lovers.

That's all nonsense. The real culprit is the Jocks. That's short fo Jocular Neorealists. They hover behind the scenes, directing the Jesuits, the Jews, and the Jehovah's Witnesses, who are secretly all puppets of Jiff peanut butter corporation, whose peanut butter cookies are so good they're addictive.

Please God, don't nobody believe me about that there previous paragraph. Disclaimer: it's NOT TRUE, and I meant it IN JEST.

80 lIbErAl ClAsSIc  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:05:56pm

re: #79 lostlakehiker

Whoa! Jocks! You hate 'em, right? I hate 'em myself!

81 theheat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:07:40pm

re: #70 wrenchwench

And that rotten blankity-blank worthless terrier of mine just peed on the rug. I best go grab the Rug Doctor. And a drink. BBL.

82 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:16:48pm

Hi everyone!

83 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:20:09pm

re: #82 Mr Pancakes

Hi everyone!

Hi Mr. Pancakes!

84 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:21:44pm

re: #82 Mr Pancakes

Hi everyone!

Hi Mr. Pancakes.

has it cooled down yet? no.

85 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:22:51pm

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel

It's Official: Hottest Day Ever for Los Angeles

Weather stats are one of my minor interests. I can't think of any precedent for this on a non-summer day anywhere.

The good news, is it's not windy.
3-5 little fires are getting the FD's full attention.
And not, well, spreading like wildfire!

86 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:23:29pm

re: #84 Stanley Sea

Hi Mr. Pancakes.

has it cooled down yet? no.

Hi Stanley.....

Not enough..... it was 95 here today and I'm a few blocks away from the water...... it must still be around 90 or so.

87 jaunte  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:23:43pm

re: #30 SpaceJesus

anybody here a plumber? my space sink is clogged and liquid plumber isn't working and i don't have a garbage disposal thing.

Do you have a Home Depot nearby? They sell these things:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

88 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:24:26pm

On a sad by ironically funny note, the man who bought the company that makes Segway died today by driving a Segway over a cliff.

89 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:25:09pm

re: #88 Escaped Hillbilly

On a sad by ironically funny note, the man who bought the company that makes Segway died today by driving a Segway over a cliff.

Cliff 1
Millionaire 0

(Charles had a thread up earlier)

90 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:26:20pm

re: #89 sattv4u2
I always miss the good ones. Notice you guys were talking DADT too. But I can't post from work.

91 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:26:22pm

re: #87 jaunte

Do you have a Home Depot nearby? They sell these things:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

I've heard nothing bit good things about them..... that's what our apartment complex uses.

92 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:26:58pm

re: #86 Mr Pancakes

Hi Stanley...

Not enough... it was 95 here today and I'm a few blocks away from the water... it must still be around 90 or so.

Meanwhile, in the DFW area it's supposed to get down into the low 50s overnight, and the highs are supposed to hang around the mid 80s all week. Bizarro-world weather.

93 jaunte  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:27:10pm

I see the AAPS likes the theory that Obama voters were hypnotized:

The paper goes on to say that Obama’s “mesmerized, cult-like, grade-school-crush-like worship by millions is not because ‘Obama is the greatest leader of a generation’ who simply hasn’t accomplished anything, who magically ‘inspires’ by giving speeches. Obama is committing perhaps the biggest fraud and deception in American history.”

The AAPS article notes that the Obama campaign logo “might just be the letter ‘O,’ but it also resembles a crystal ball, a favorite of hypnotists.”

94 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:27:19pm

Man, these guys just blow me away

I don't understand how someone can get through medical school and subscribe to this as a thinking person, so my only conclusion is that he doesn't believe any of this but espouses it and endorses it anyway, ideology is everything


Actively harmful people, basically criminal in what they advocate, lower than scum. Well done, Rand Paul!

95 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:27:32pm

re: #91 Mr Pancakes

I've heard nothing bit good things about them... that's what our apartment complex uses.]

Ah you can buy those at most Family Dollar or Dollar Generals for a lot less than Home Depot.

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:28:29pm

re: #95 Escaped Hillbilly

Ah you can buy those at most Family Dollar or Dollar Generals for a lot less than Home Depot.

Dollar stores are just awesome.

97 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:29:16pm

re: #94 WindUpBird

Man, these guys just blow me away

I don't understand how someone can get through medical school and subscribe to this as a thinking person, so my only conclusion is that he doesn't believe any of this but espouses it and endorses it anyway, ideology is everything

Actively harmful people, basically criminal in what they advocate, lower than scum. Well done, Rand Paul!

Or al sharpton ... Just saying'

98 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:29:20pm

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist

Dollar stores are just awesome.

stay away from the dollar store toothpaste though o_o

99 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:29:34pm

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist
Love em. Just bought a bunch of Halloween decorations there. Same stuff as at WalMart, Target, etc. but cheaper.

100 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:29:37pm

re: #92 negativ

Meanwhile, in the DFW area it's supposed to get down into the low 50s overnight, and the highs are supposed to hang around the mid 80s all week. Bizarro-world weather.

We're getting our summer all at once...... here it is fall and it's our hottest weather this year.

101 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:29:42pm

Ozzy Osbourne makes his debut in Israel tomorrow. Was it politics that kept him away until now? No! "I guess I was drunk for so many years."

102 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:29:55pm

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist

Dollar stores are just awesome.

Just don't buy batteries/extension cords/electronics there.
Saw a report on the local news about how so much of those products at discount stores tend to be counterfeit.

103 mdey  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:30:00pm

Rachel Maddow did a good segment on this group, a couple months ago. They are a bunch of wackos.

104 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:30:03pm

re: #97 _RememberTonyC

Or al sharpton ... Just saying'

Al Sharpton is full of shit, but he ain't runnin' for office and he ain't takin over the Democratic party

105 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:30:31pm

re: #99 Escaped Hillbilly

Love em. Just bought a bunch of Halloween decorations there. Same stuff as at WalMart, Target, etc. but cheaper.

Do they have cheap string lights? I need more of those for my art hovel

106 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:30:48pm

re: #98 WindUpBird

Yeah, I don't buy the food products except an occasional candy bar or Little Debbies.

Could be worse though. Saw a bunch of condoms the other day. Ummm, no.

107 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:31:04pm

re: #104 WindUpBird

Al Sharpton is full of shit, but he ain't runnin' for office and he ain't takin over the Democratic party

Code Pink is.
So is ACORN.
And SPECTRE.
And...

108 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:32:00pm

re: #107 Varek Raith

Code Pink is.
So is ACORN.
And SPECTRE.
And...

SHADOLOO IS NOW IN CONTROL

109 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:32:26pm

re: #104 WindUpBird

Al Sharpton is full of shit, but he ain't runnin' for office and he ain't takin over the Democratic party

He's been an honored speaker at the Dem convention. He incited a pogrom in Crown Heights. He has LOTS of influence, far more than Rand Paul.

110 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:32:35pm

re: #108 WindUpBird

SHADOLOO IS NOW IN CONTROL

Shoryuken!!!

111 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:33:23pm

re: #99 Escaped Hillbilly

Love em. Just bought a bunch of Halloween decorations there. Same stuff as at WalMart, Target, etc. but cheaper.

I love 'em too. You don't have to get all dressed up for going to Family Dollar like you do for WalMart!
/

112 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:33:54pm

re: #107 Varek Raith

Code Pink is.
So is ACORN.
And SPECTRE.
And...

The Spanish Inquisition

113 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:33:56pm

re: #105 WindUpBird

Do they have cheap string lights? I need more of those for my art hovel


Yeah but see:
re: #102 Varek Raith

Just don't buy batteries/extension cords/electronics there.
Saw a report on the local news about how so much of those products at discount stores tend to be counterfeit.

I have bought a few extension cords and multiplugs. But then again, I bought Haji brand in Iraq and most of the time it worked out ok. Wouldn't trust my most valuable electronics to them though.

114 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:34:43pm

On its Website, the AAPS included an article in October 2008 titled, “Is Obama a Brilliant Orator … or a Hypnotist?”

Is this paper still on the AAPS website? I can't find it.

115 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:34:55pm

re: #111 Taqyia2Me
You mean ya gotta put on yer fancy flip-flops for WalMart?

116 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:35:37pm

re: #114 Mr. Hammer

On its Website, the AAPS included an article in October 2008 titled, “Is Obama a Brilliant Orator … or a Hypnotist?”

Is this paper still on the AAPS website? I can't find it.

Obama is HypnoToad.

117 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:37:11pm

re: #101 bratwurst

Ozzy Osbourne makes his debut in Israel tomorrow. Was it politics that kept him away until now? No! "I guess I was drunk for so many years."

I just think it's funny they were trying to turn it into a political thing, like Ozzy is well know for that. He just laid it out. Put an end to a rumor before it could start. Love it.

118 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:37:19pm

re: #114 Mr. Hammer

On its Website, the AAPS included an article in October 2008 titled, “Is Obama a Brilliant Orator … or a Hypnotist?”

Is this paper still on the AAPS website? I can't find it.

HE'S A SORCEROR!

119 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:37:20pm

re: #101 bratwurst

Ozzy Osbourne makes his debut in Israel tomorrow. Was it politics that kept him away until now? No! "I guess I was drunk for so many years."

That could be quite the multi-purpose answer.

120 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:37:45pm

Well, my daughter wants me to take her to the pool........ cya all later.

121 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:38:13pm

Dang gotta go get the kid from work. Now I'm gonna miss the whole conversation. Back later.

122 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:38:22pm

re: #109 _RememberTonyC

He's been an honored speaker at the Dem convention. He incited a pogrom in Crown Heights. He has LOTS of influence, far more than Rand Paul.

Honored speaker does not mean taking over the party dude, and Rand Paul is part of a movement of parabouid, anti-science, anti-health, racist crazies. he's not one guy as brimming with name recognition as Al Sharpton, but here's the fact you seem to be doing everything in your power to ignore

Al Sharpton is basically at the top of his pyramid. Al Sharpton has influence, but it basically starts and stops with Al Sharpton.

The difference is, Rand Paul is just one cog in a big big machine of truly disgusting and crazy people in the GOP who are taking the whole thing over. Vicious, racist, paranoid, confederate-revisionist, dominionist, anti-health, anti-science, and divorced from reality. These people are changing textbooks in texas, they're advocating the murder of gay people in africa, they're lying outright that science is what it is not. They're piles of dogshit in human form.

Those are the checkable facts, friend, if you want to get butthurt over the message, don't bring it my way. Did the magical balance fairy sprinkle some dust on you when you were fast asleep last night?

123 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:38:54pm

re: #113 Escaped Hillbilly

Well, string lights are already cheap and they don't last long anyway, who cares if they're counterfeit? :D

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:39:52pm

re: #102 Varek Raith

Just don't buy batteries/extension cords/electronics there.
Saw a report on the local news about how so much of those products at discount stores tend to be counterfeit.

There are things I won't buy. The place on the corner has this horrific brand of laundry soap--won't buy that again! Gross stuff, left the clothes stiff and stuffy smelling.

But lots of things are just cheap and fine.

125 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:39:52pm

re: #123 WindUpBird

Well, string lights are already cheap and they don't last long anyway, who cares if they're counterfeit? :D

Except when they're not UL listed and the burn your house down.

126 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:40:16pm

re: #122 WindUpBird

Honored speaker does not mean taking over the party dude, and Rand Paul is part of a movement of parabouid, anti-science, anti-health, racist crazies. he's not one guy as brimming with name recognition as Al Sharpton, but here's the fact you seem to be doing everything in your power to ignore

Al Sharpton is basically at the top of his pyramid. Al Sharpton has influence, but it basically starts and stops with Al Sharpton.

The difference is, Rand Paul is just one cog in a big big machine of truly disgusting and crazy people in the GOP who are taking the whole thing over. Vicious, racist, paranoid, confederate-revisionist, dominionist, anti-health, anti-science, and divorced from reality. These people are changing textbooks in texas, they're advocating the murder of gay people in africa, they're lying outright that science is what it is not. They're piles of dogshit in human form.

Those are the checkable facts, friend, if you want to get butthurt over the message, don't bring it my way. Did the magical balance fairy sprinkle some dust on you when you were fast asleep last night?

Wow ... All I'm saying is that BOTH sides have truly bad actors. Chill the fuck out DUDE.

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:40:21pm

re: #106 Escaped Hillbilly

Yeah, I don't buy the food products except an occasional candy bar or Little Debbies.

Could be worse though. Saw a bunch of condoms the other day. Ummm, no.

Certain things, you pay for the name brand.

128 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:40:37pm

re: #114 Mr. Hammer

On its Website, the AAPS included an article in October 2008 titled, “Is Obama a Brilliant Orator … or a Hypnotist?”

Is this paper still on the AAPS website? I can't find it.

haha I'm sure they pulled it when it became a hilarious internet meme, and a million channers and giggling liberals used it to protray Rand Paul as the crazy turd he is

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:41:42pm

re: #125 Mr Pancakes

Except when they're not UL listed and the burn your house down.

I'm insured! :D

(actually, what's probably going to happen, is I'll use all this extra el wire I have that runs off double As for the same purpose, I like the idea of my art studio looking like neon signage in Chinatown)

130 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:41:54pm

re: #123 WindUpBird

Well, string lights are already cheap and they don't last long anyway, who cares if they're counterfeit? :D

Strings of LED lights are getting cheaper and last a lot longer, besides lowering your carbon footprint.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:42:18pm

re: #126 _RememberTonyC

Wow ... All I'm saying is that BOTH sides have truly bad actors. Chill the fuck out DUDE.

Both sides do have truly bad actors.

But randomly bringing up Sharpton, who is truly a has-been, seems a little odd.

132 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:43:11pm

re: #122 WindUpBird

There's a plethora of suck-meisters on both sides of the aisle, IMHO.

133 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:43:22pm

Your instructions:

1) in a separate tab or browser window, start this video in the background. You won't be watching it, only the sound matters.

2) as soon as it starts, switch back here and click this picture:

Image: image.gif

Let it simmer for about 30 seconds or so.

This is unrelated to anything, but the more I think about it, the more fitting this seems to be as the official music video of the Tea Party (with the gif, not the visual portion of the youtube link). All their ideas are remarkably well-represented by it.

134 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:44:22pm

I'm encouraged that Paul is still under 50%-since Bunning has endorsed Paul as his successor and Paul has gotten almost all the media attention, I think that people who don't support him already are unlikely to change their minds. To win, Conway has to get out the vote big in Jefferson County (Louisville). It may also help that the people in the traditional GOP stronghold of Eastern Ky, who have long enjoyed federal goodies funneled to the district by long time GOP Congressman Hal Rogers, are beginning to realize that Paul intends to turn off the spigot and leave them to their own devices.

135 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:44:22pm

re: #126 _RememberTonyC

Wow ... All I'm saying is that BOTH sides have truly bad actors. Chill the fuck out DUDE.

Why don't you get on LGF search and type in "Magical balance fairy", a lovely term Ob came up with that is shorthand for what you're doing, which is distracting from this scumbag using a very popular logical fallacy known as tu quoque.

I will chill out when you stop insulting my intelligence. Do we have a deal?

136 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:44:41pm

re: #119 wrenchwench

That could be quite the multi-purpose answer.

In Ozzie's case it has the advantage of being true.

137 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:44:59pm

re: #130 wrenchwench

Strings of LED lights are getting cheaper and last a lot longer, besides lowering your carbon footprint.

I have some of those as well! They have sort of a different light character to them.

Basically I just like lights *_*

138 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:45:18pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

There are things I won't buy. The place on the corner has this horrific brand of laundry soap--won't buy that again! Gross stuff, left the clothes stiff and stuffy smelling.

But lots of things are just cheap and fine.

Paper products!

139 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:45:30pm

re: #138 Stanley Sea

Paper products!

well, not tp.

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:45:35pm

re: #138 Stanley Sea

Paper products!

Plastic hangers!

141 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:45:36pm

re: #132 Taqyia2Me

There's a plethora of suck-meisters on both sides of the aisle, IMHO.

More tu quoque!

Did you go for the vanilla quoque, or the diet?

142 Liberal Classic  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:46:09pm

Al Sharpton is a notable figure, of course, but I think a better analogy of the waxing power of the bad crazies would be if the 911 truthers were taking over the Democratic party. The truthers by and large have been shouted down from both sides of the aisle. The asymmetry is that the loony right is pretty vigorous right now, and there isn't a lot of opposition to them.

143 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:46:24pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

Both sides do have truly bad actors.

But randomly bringing up Sharpton, who is truly a has-been, seems a little odd.

Sharpton = old time booga booga

144 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:47:25pm

re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist

Plastic hangers!

My mother got me some drumsticks for christmas that were made out of a recycled byproduct of wheat or hemp or something, made into a plastic form. I took them out to my kit, it was like playing with rubber. It was the worst thing I've ever played with :D I love recycling, but NO I AM STICKING TO MY VIC FIRTHS, THANKS

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:47:35pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea

Sharpton = old time booga booga

I don't like him. And if he does anything new, I will happily pile on him with the best of them.

But he's not part of the current discussion.

146 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:47:56pm

re: #133 negativ

Your instructions:

1) in a separate tab or browser window, start this video in the background. You won't be watching it, only the sound matters.

2) as soon as it starts, switch back here and click this picture:

Image: image.gif

Let it simmer for about 30 seconds or so.

This is unrelated to anything, but the more I think about it, the more fitting this seems to be as the official music video of the Tea Party (with the gif, not the visual portion of the youtube link). All their ideas are remarkably well-represented by it.

lol (I am gullible)

147 Liberal Classic  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:48:43pm

Magical Balance Fairy would be a great screen name.

148 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:48:46pm

Seriously, and Al Sharpton? Let's see, what does Al Sharpton have to do with anything?

Oh yeah, it distracts from the racism of tea partiers and their bircher nutbag leadership because HEY LOOK A BLACK GUY IS FULL OF SHIT IN TEH DEMOCRATIC PARTY BOTH PARTIES ARE EQUAL DERP DE DERP LIMBAUGH LETTER

149 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:49:31pm

Sure enough...here she is now!

Image: fairy.jpg

150 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:49:37pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

Both sides do have truly bad actors.

But randomly bringing up Sharpton, who is truly a has-been, seems a little odd.

Your opinion. I may be a few years older than you and I live near NY. I was playing off the line at the end of WUB's post that correctly sized up Paul et al. My point is that a person like Sharpton is FAR from a has been and retains great influence. And he is every bit the criminal who has never been held to account. why do you think he is a has been? He is on TV constantly and on the radio daily. if Rush and the teabags are fair game, so is sharpton.

151 jaunte  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:49:58pm

re: #147 Liberal Classic

Diet Quoque is good too.

152 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:50:40pm

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

Certain things, you pay for the name brand.

"Man-rated" things. I.E., if it can kill you in the normal course of events, "look for the union label".

153 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:50:43pm

re: #135 WindUpBird

Why don't you get on LGF search and type in "Magical balance fairy", a lovely term Ob came up with that is shorthand for what you're doing, which is distracting from this scumbag using a very popular logical fallacy known as tu quoque.

I will chill out when you stop insulting my intelligence. Do we have a deal?

Don't be a dick and I'll extend you the same courtesy.

154 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:51:12pm

Hey did you see, there's a black guy that says a bunch of crazy stuff!


Did you see?


I'll bring it up


Again and again


Over and over

because no matter how bad or how crazy the Republicans get, thank God we have Al Sharpton, he's the real enemy, he's taking over

he's gonna give white peoples' welfare to black people

They'll paint the white house black

Everyone panic and clutch your handbags and keep your chihuahuas close, there's a black guy somewhere who says crazy stuff

155 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:51:34pm

re: #149 bratwurst

Sure enough...here she is now!

Image: fairy.jpg

I really need to make an image macro for magical balance fairy

156 Digital Display  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:51:38pm

re: #136 Charles

In Ozzie's case it has the advantage of being true.

I was at a party in Alameda with Brad Gillis there and he told a story that when he got hired to play with Ozzie he brought him to his folk's house to meet them..He passed out in the front room..rad said he'd never been so embarrassed in his life.. His Mom was ragging on him..So you really want to be a rock star? You want to be like Ozzie? I think Night Ranger was a good career move for him..Hell of a nice guy

157 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:51:52pm

re: #153 _RememberTonyC

Don't be a dick and I'll extend you the same courtesy.

Oh, too late for that, I've been a dick since I came here

158 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:53:27pm

re: #157 WindUpBird

Oh, too late for that, I've been a dick since I came here

I don't deal with dicks very well ...

159 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:55:02pm

If anyone's using Chrome here's an easy tip to make sure you only see one popup ad per day -- go to:

Preferences -> Under the Hood -> Content Settings...

... and make sure you're looking at the Cookie settings in the left panel of the content settings window. Then click the 'Exceptions' button, click 'Add', and enter 'zedo.com' as the Pattern, and set the Action to 'Allow'. Then click 'Done' to save it, and you won't be plagued by multiple popups any more.

I'm still experimenting with this type of ad - please bear with me for any inconvenience while I figure out how best to use it, or whether I'll continue using it at all.

160 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:55:20pm

So long folks ... Time to do some work

161 jaunte  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:55:31pm

re: #151 jaunte

Diet Quoque is good too.

Everyone should be giving these updings to WUB.

162 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:56:28pm

re: #150 _RememberTonyC

Your opinion. I may be a few years older than you and I live near NY. I was playing off the line at the end of WUB's post that correctly sized up Paul et al. My point is that a person like Sharpton is FAR from a has been and retains great influence. And he is every bit the criminal who has never been held to account. why do you think he is a has been? He is on TV constantly and on the radio daily. if Rush and the teabags are fair game, so is sharpton.

man it must be really great when you code a blog from scratch, spend all your time maintaining it, and then you post about about Rand Paul and what he's actually doing, and magically somehow, it transmogrifies into a referendum on Al Sharpton in the comments, I'm sure that's very gratifying

it may LOOK like there's a groundswell of psychos in the GOP and that they're gaining power and influence and skewing the more resonable GOP members into taking horrid positions, but that's not really important

I'm sure that's the secret intent of LGF these days, to constantly talk about the global menace of Al Sharpton no matter what the actual blog itself is about

because that is absolutely at the top of the ticker of what is going on in America, there's a black guy with too much power who says a bunch of stupid stuff, that's critical information that we need hourly updates on to make sure we're informed

163 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:56:49pm

re: #158 _RememberTonyC

I don't deal with dicks very well ...

or people who call you on your bullshit, apparently

Someone's gotta do it

164 Digital Display  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:56:59pm

re: #160 _RememberTonyC

So long folks ... Time to do some work


It's against the law to work during Monday Night Football
/Hey..I don't make the rules!
Have a great night

165 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:57:14pm

re: #161 jaunte

Everyone should be giving these updings to WUB.

everyone can have them!

COLLECTIVISM!!1

166 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:58:17pm

re: #141 WindUpBird

More tu quoque!

Did you go for the vanilla quoque, or the diet?

Oh no, I didn't disagree with your original point.
Just a bit of fair warning that extended one-party rule is HORRIBLE - or at least it has been for Illinois to a great degree and Chicago to a much greater degree.

The GOP is insane to beclown itself this way, it allows worm-dropping like Barney Frank and Jesse Jackson, JR to continue to fester and pustulate.

167 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:58:46pm

re: #136 Charles

In Ozzie's case it has the advantage of being true.

Charles, could you highlight this Bears vs. Packers Page please?

168 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:58:52pm

re: #164 HoosierHoops

It's against the law to work during Monday Night Football
/Hey..I don't make the rules!
Have a great night

ummm,,, errr,,, how about for those of us that BRING you MNF !?!?!?!

169 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:59:40pm

re: #155 WindUpBird

I really need to make an image macro for magical balance fairy

Maybe you should DO IT LIVE!

170 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:07:04pm

K,,,, I'll break the 7 minute silence !!!

171 mikefromArlington  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:08:25pm

I'm sure there's a perfectly good explanation for this. :P

172 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:08:36pm

More on this GOP train wreck which Freetoken mentioned in #5. Sharron Angle was at that National Doctor's Tea Party event on the 18th. So I'm looking at the flyer and notice a Jane Orient, MD who is listed as an author and AAPS executive director. Googling I find this:

Jane M. Orient, M.D., is a Clinical Lecturer in Medicine at the University of Arizona College of Medicine, and Professor of Clinical Medicine at the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine. As well, she edits the Doctors for Disaster Preparedness Newsletter and Civil Defense Perspectives. In addition, she is the editor of AAPS News, the official newsletter of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons for which she serves as Executive Director. Her articles frequently appear in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (formerly The Medical Sentinel).

Those organizations should sound familiar to many of you. Those being Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine and Doctors for Disaster Preparedness Newsletter and Civil Defense Perspectives. This is the same OISM which Arthur Robinson runs and was covered at LGF:

Presenting the GOP's newest star: Arthur Robinson

and

Why I Left the Right, Exhibit R for Robinson

Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:02:42 am
Recently we’ve had several front page posts about Arthur Robinson, the GOP mutant candidate for Oregon’s 4th Congressional District, and his incredibly strange views on … well, everything. In addition, LGF reader freetoken put together an excellent Page on Robinson’s Christian Dominionist connections. But it gets worse: Oregon GOP Congressional Candidate ...

GOP Candidate Arthur Robinson: Dump Oil and Nuclear Waste at Sea

Mon, May 24, 2010 at 7:55:31 pm
Here’s more data on the extreme views of Arthur Robinson, the GOP mutant candidate for Oregon’s 4th Congressional District, who says we really ought to Dump Oil and Nuclear Waste at Sea. The oceans are starved for it. “Wastes dumped into the deep ocean will soon reach the bottom, where they ...

The GOP's Newest Star: Far Crazier Than Rand Paul

Sun, May 23, 2010 at 10:55:10 am
Rand Paul’s getting all the media attention for his ludicrous comments about the Civil Rights Act and the BP oil spill, but he is actually far from the most extreme Republican nominated last week. Meet Arthur Robinson, who won the GOP nomination for Oregon’s 4th Congressional District. Mr. Robinson is so full ...

Here's a Google search for "Jane Orient" at the OISM website.

173 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:11:44pm

More AAPS/OISM craziness at the Lew Rockwell site:

Finding Truth in Phoenix

by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD

Last week I went to the 21st Annual Meeting of Doctors for Disaster Preparedness (DDP), held in Phoenix, Arizona. The "doctors" in this organization include both physicians and scientists. Other people also come to this meeting seeking truth about such things as global warming and AIDS, and how best to protect oneself against chemical, biological, and nuclear terrorism. People I met there attending the meeting included a contractor from California, an elderly woman from North Carolina, and Scott Carpenter, the astronaut.

Jane Orient, MD and Arthur Robinson, PhD organized the meeting, which was titled "21st Century Threats and Conflicts." (Dr. Orient is the Executive Director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons – AAPS – the pro-market, libertarian alternative to the American Medical Association; and Dr. Robinson is the Director of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine and editor of the newsletter Access to Energy.)

The first truth told at this meeting was that there is no human-caused global warming, despite what (some) government-funded scientists, anti-technology environmentalists, and the media tell us. Dr. Willie Soon, a physicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, in a talk titled "Level with Me: the Sea, the Sun, and Climate Change," refuted claims that the 1990s was the warmest decade of the millennium – or that the 20th century has been warmer than any other century.

Continues.

174 Digital Display  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:12:17pm

re: #170 sattv4u2

K,,, I'll break the 7 minute silence !!!

I have only been to one MNF game..Went in a friends Van..We had beer, Food and a grill to tailgate.. It rained that day and night like nobodies business..It just poured.. We sat in the van for hours before the game bummed out..Then we had to walk in the pouring rain to the gate..It was miserable..Spent the first quarter just drying out from being soaking wet..
My only MNF game..

175 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:12:24pm

You know what really should really piss ALL of us off with this bad craziness? There are really big problems that need to be addressed. For starters, just about every single public pension system is fundamentally bankrupt, as is Social Security.

176 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:14:28pm

re: #173 Gus 802

More AAPS/OISM craziness at the Lew Rockwell site:

Finding Truth in Phoenix

Wouldn't take much to come up with a "Don't tread on me" caduceus.

177 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:16:58pm

re: #174 HoosierHoops

I have only been to one MNF game..Went in a friends Van..We had beer, Food and a grill to tailgate.. It rained that day and night like nobodies business..It just poured.. We sat in the van for hours before the game bummed out..Then we had to walk in the pouring rain to the gate..It was miserable..Spent the first quarter just drying out from being soaking wet..
My only MNF game..

I've only been to one also

Patriots/ Jets at the old Shaeffer Stadium when Billy Sullivan still owned the Pats
Miserable game. Pats won by something like 52-7, but what made it sucky was about half way through the 3rd Q there was a steady stream of morons running out on to the field

The only good thing was one tried to get back into the stands as the cops/ security chased him. he got close to the stands and this big guy in the stands yelled for the moron to come to him and he'd help him up. Moron gets to the wall, jumps up, big guy pulls him up till just about getting over the wall then big guy cold cocks him right in the face. Moron falls back onto the track where the cops grab him and give the big guy a salute and thumbs up

178 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:18:04pm

More Google fun!

Climate sceptics and fringe political groups are an unhealthy cocktail

Excerpts:

Proof that professional climate sceptics swim in a narrow, shallow pond was provided last month in Chicago at the Heartland Institute's Fourth International Conference on Climate Change. It turned out to be less Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, more Two Degrees of Lord Monckton. But this month is set to provide further proof that it doesn't take a particularly complex Venn diagram to map the interconnections between the various movers and shakers in the sceptic camp.

On 11 June, in Orlando, Florida, an organisation called Doctors for Disaster Preparedness (DDP) meets for its AGM at the Sheraton Safari Hotel & Suites. After enjoying a "buffet lunch with astronaut and regular DDP attendee Scott Carpenter" at the nearby Kennedy Space Centre, the delegates will begin the serious business at hand the following morning. But before we move on to the agenda which awaits the fortunate audience, let's quickly establish what this intriguingly named organisation stands for. This is how it describes itself on its Facebook page:

DDP promotes homeland defense and prudent preparedness for disasters of all kinds, including war or terrorism. Its annual meeting brings together America's foremost authorities on strategic and civil defense as well as prominent scientists speaking on real threats or manufactured scares. Recent topics: global warming, ozone "depletion," radiation hazards and radiation hormesis.

The DDP website lists its president as Jane Orient, MD. Orient, whose private practice specialises in "internal medicine", has also at times variously been the executive director and president of a group sharing the very same address in Tucson, Arizona, called the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS). Further proof that these two groups are closely connected is provided on the DDP's Facebook page which lists an administrator called Adrienne Snavely who also describes herself as "office staff" at the AAPS. (She also lists herself as an employed storm spotter for the National Weather Service. Nice work, if you can get it.)

[...]

Robinson deserves closer scrutiny that I can provide here - it will presumably come now he is running for public office - but here's a taster of how his fundamental Christianity has shaped his thinking. This extract is taken from a 1991 introduction he wrote for a reprint of an Isaac Newton essay which is included in a home-schooling kit he sells as a lucrative sideline:

Isaac Newton believed that the Bible is literally true in every respect. Throughout his life, he continually tested Biblical truth against the physical truths of experimental and theoretical science. He never observed a contradiction. In fact, he viewed his own scientific work as a method by which to reinforce belief in Biblical truth...In my own scientific work, I also have continually compared the Bible with the findings of modern experimental science. Like Isaac Newton, I do not know of any verified scientific facts that are inconsistent with the literal truth of every aspect of the Bible.

And it is also important to stress that Robinson and Orient are key figures for these interconnected groups. Both Robinson and Jane Orient are listed as faculty members of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, which organised the Oregon petition. And on the latest 990 non-profit tax form filed with the US Internal Revenue Service, Robinson is listed as the DDP's vice president. Likewise, on the same form for the OISM, Orient is listed as an unsalaried director/trustee and "officer".

[...]

179 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:21:43pm

I'm still wondering why the hell Al Sharpton made it into this thread.

180 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:22:23pm

re: #179 Stanley Sea

I'm still wondering why the hell Al Sharpton made it into this thread.

Happy thoughts and pixie dust?

181 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:23:23pm

re: #180 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Happy thoughts and pixie dust?

And little cute shoes.

I shouldn't have re-visited it. But it just gets me.

182 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:23:31pm

I'm sure that's the secret intent of LGF these days, to constantly talk about the global menace of Al Sharpton no matter what the actual blog itself is about

because that is absolutely at the top of the ticker of what is going on in America, there's a black guy with too much power who says a bunch of stupid stuff, that's critical information that we need hourly updates on to make sure we're informed

The Al Sharpton News Minute, providing hourly updates on the Al Sharpton menace, would make a Great feature on Fox News!

183 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:24:14pm

Here's a little something for the climate denialists that like that like to source Climate Depot and that buffoon Marc Morano:

2010 Petr Beckmann Award Given to Marc Morano
DateThursday, July 8, 2010 at 05:18PM

The Petr Beckmann award is given by DDP to individuals who demonstrate courage and achievement in defense of scientific truth and freedom. Marc Morano of [climatedepot dot com] received the award in June of 2010.

Old news for some:

Marc Morano runs the climate website ClimateDepot.com for the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, a conservative environmental think tank. Until spring of 2009, Morano served as communications director for the Republicans on the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Morano commenced work with the committee under Senator James Inhofe, who was majority chairman of the committee until January 2007 and is now minority ranking member. In December 2006 Morano launched a blog on the committee's website that largely promotes the views of climate change skeptics.

184 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:25:56pm

re: #179 Stanley Sea

I'm still wondering why the hell Al Sharpton made it into this thread.

Because I'm too busy watching the game to keep him out. ;)

185 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:29:21pm

I see Glenn Beck and Allahpundit are riling up their all white audiences tonight with a video about Jews and blacks being nervous about recent trends with conservatives.
/Have fun with your white nationalism. It's working great!

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:30:19pm

re: #150 _RememberTonyC

Your opinion. I may be a few years older than you and I live near NY. I was playing off the line at the end of WUB's post that correctly sized up Paul et al. My point is that a person like Sharpton is FAR from a has been and retains great influence. And he is every bit the criminal who has never been held to account. why do you think he is a has been? He is on TV constantly and on the radio daily. if Rush and the teabags are fair game, so is sharpton.

Sure. So, what has he done this past, say, six months, that you would like to discuss?

187 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:32:30pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

I see Glenn Beck and Allahpundit are riling up their all white audiences tonight with a video about Jews and blacks being nervous about recent trends with conservatives.
/Have fun with your white nationalism. It's working great!

Meanwhile at the Hot Air comments. Circa 2009 and on the Obama administration:

Kristallnacht and Reichstag Fire all rolled into one. But don’t call them Nazis.

Now can we know the name of the sign holder that the Secret Service arrested a couple of weeks ago, or is that too much to ask?

Buddahpundit on August 26, 2009 at 11:25 PM

188 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:34:18pm

re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure. So, what has he done this past, say, six months, that you would like to discuss?

[Link: news.google.com...]

hey ,,, you asked !

189 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:35:27pm

re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #188 sattv4u2

[Link: news.google.com...]

hey ,,, you asked !

ooppsss , that was the wide angle lens

Here's the narrow one

[Link: www.chicagonow.com...]

190 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:35:56pm

Now, I'll be honest. What really hacks me is that in an earlier comment I deliberately mentioned a 'left-wing' group which also denies the connection between HIV and AIDS. I did this in the interests of fairness, because I know a little about them, and because it seemed as though it might lead to a broader discussion of how ignorance of science is used and abused to political ends.

Instead I find myself discussing non-science related shit that Al Sharpton did.

Hey! I'm trying to create a healthy atmosphere here!

191 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:36:12pm

Hot Air fauxtrage.

Film @ 11.

192 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:36:26pm

So first Sharron Angle mocks austistic people and now we find out that Rand Paul is a member of a Ct group that denies the existence of AIDS. Seriously, what the hell.

193 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:37:10pm

re: #190 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey! I'm trying to create a healthy atmosphere here!

Then get rid of the pizza and put out a veggie tray!

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:38:07pm

re: #189 sattv4u2

re: #188 sattv4u2

ooppsss , that was the wide angle lens

Here's the narrow one

[Link: www.chicagonow.com...]

OK, we sure have proven that Al Sharpton is an asshole.

Since no one here has defended the man, does this seem like a slightly hollow victory? No? No? Oh, OK.

Anyone remember when Jesse Helms sang "Dixie" to Carol Moseley Braun in the elevator and said he was going to make her cry? I mean, what an ASSHOLE!

195 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:38:30pm

re: #193 sattv4u2

Hey! I'm trying to create a healthy atmosphere here!

Then get rid of the pizza and put out a veggie tray!

I like the pizza.

196 jaunte  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:38:56pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

I see Glenn Beck and Allahpundit are riling up their all white audiences tonight with a video about Jews and blacks being nervous about recent trends with conservatives.
/Have fun with your white nationalism. It's working great!


Don't forget folks, Beck's a scam artist.
(Pajamas media still running a Goldline ad, making a few cents from the suckers).

A congressional investigation found that the coins are so overpriced that they're useless as a hedge against inflation. The price of gold would have to nearly triple before the buyers of Goldline's American Eagle coin could even break even. [Link: bigthink.com...]
197 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:40:21pm

re: #191 Gus 802

Hot Air fauxtrage.

Film @ 11.

This one might want to reconsider the way he expresses his outrage over Benjamin Jealous' statement:

And they never forget a bad idea, either.

Night of broken glass will find a lot of D’rats barefoot. Just keep preachin’, Jealous. Besides teh Won has been the alltime best salesman of supplies for those who understand the Second Amendment. Two years and going.

Better put those froggy pills back in the bottle.

Caststeel on September 27, 2010 at 8:53 PM

198 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:40:38pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

I see Glenn Beck and Allahpundit are riling up their all white audiences tonight with a video about Jews and blacks being nervous about recent trends with conservatives.
/Have fun with your white nationalism. It's working great!

Redstate

Hot Air

Over at Red State:

Gay Rights Proponents Act Like the Third Reich

Tolerance is something the left demands, though it has no intention of reciprocating.

Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)

Friday, December 5th at 6:00AM EST
14 Comments

Yes, I know about Goodwin’s law, but comparing gay rights activists to the Nazis is fitting. They’ve gone from being persecuted to persecuting. Of course, they’ll say it is all in the fight for their civil rights — much like the Nazis needed to go after people to make things right.

Leading to this comment:

AceInTX Friday, December 5th at 1:01PM EST (link)

This kind of behavior can only exist when it is unopposed…

Gays are actively attacking the Mormon, Catholic and Evangelical churches in ads, invading church services and shouting obscenities in front of congregants and parishioners, Mocking Holy Communion in catholic churches dressed as transvestite nuns, assaulting old ladies on sidewalks for carrying a cross and snatching Bibles out of elderly person’s hands and beating them with them…shades of Kristallnacht and the attacks on Jewish businesses in pre WWII Germany...

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:41:16pm

re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist

This one might want to reconsider the way he expresses his outrage over Benjamin Jealous' statement:

And they never forget a bad idea, either.

Night of broken glass will find a lot of D’rats barefoot. Just keep preachin’, Jealous. Besides teh Won has been the alltime best salesman of supplies for those who understand the Second Amendment. Two years and going.

Better put those froggy pills back in the bottle.

Caststeel on September 27, 2010 at 8:53 PM

I feel incredibly reassured now that Mr. Jealous is way, way over the top. Thank you, Mr. Caststeel, for reassuring me.

200 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:42:30pm

re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist

This one might want to reconsider the way he expresses his outrage over Benjamin Jealous' statement:

And they never forget a bad idea, either.

Night of broken glass will find a lot of D’rats barefoot. Just keep preachin’, Jealous. Besides teh Won has been the alltime best salesman of supplies for those who understand the Second Amendment. Two years and going.

Better put those froggy pills back in the bottle.

Caststeel on September 27, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Yep. Like I said earlier. Fauxtrage. Especially since they're a bunch of hypocrites and bullshit artists.

201 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:42:52pm

re: #198 Gus 802

Redstate

Hot Air

Over at Red State:

Leading to this comment:

Seriously, comparing people who want marriage equality to the Nazis. I am not anti Christian but I don't blame gay people for being hostile to Mormons, Evangelicals, and Catholics for being some of the biggest funders in the movement to stop gay marriage. Erickson's a douche for making that analogy. I could make the same analogy for how right wingers act about the Muslims.

202 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:43:31pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, we sure have proven that Al Sharpton is an asshole.

Since no one here has defended the man, does this seem like a slightly hollow victory? No? No? Oh, OK.

Anyone remember when Jesse Helms sang "Dixie" to Carol Moseley Braun in the elevator and said he was going to make her cry? I mean, what an ASSHOLE!

Again ,, I could care less

You asked (re: in the last six months) ,, I answered

203 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:44:50pm

re: #190 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, I'll be honest. What really hacks me is that in an earlier comment I deliberately mentioned a 'left-wing' group which also denies the connection between HIV and AIDS. I did this in the interests of fairness, because I know a little about them, and because it seemed as though it might lead to a broader discussion of how ignorance of science is used and abused to political ends.

Instead I find myself discussing non-science related shit that Al Sharpton did.

Hey! I'm trying to create a healthy atmosphere here!

Keep at it. Your point stands well.

204 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:45:16pm

re: #198 Gus 802

Redstate

Hot Air

Over at Red State:

Leading to this comment:

A small anecdote:

A Catholic businessman I am tangentially connected to donated to an anti-Prop-8 group. His name appeared on their donor list. He was contacted by some people--not just random yahoos, but representatives of a well-known cconservative Catholic group--who suggested that he atone for his sins by making a bigger donation to their group, or have his name and business information publicized by them.

I love it when these sorts of people act as though they never fight dirty, and are only being victimized by the bloody Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. As though they didn't put out the scariest ads they could. As though Catholic and Mormon groups didn't pour a fortune in out-of-state money into this.

Get real, folks. It was a political fight. It looked nothing like Kristallnacht.

205 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:47:28pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Seriously, comparing people who want marriage equality to the Nazis. I am not anti Christian but I don't blame gay people for being hostile to Mormons, Evangelicals, and Catholics for being some of the biggest funders in the movement to stop gay marriage. Erickson's a douche for making that analogy. I could make the same analogy for how right wingers act about the Muslims.

I have nothing against Evangelicals, Catholics or Mormons. I count all three among my good friends, and they are all good paths.

I am still POed that certain church leadership among them took it on themselves to come into California to influence the vote. But such is political life.

What I cannot stand is the whining about how people of faith are the true victims. Yah.

206 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:47:58pm

re: #202 sattv4u2

Again ,, I could care less

You asked (re: in the last six months) ,, I answered

The second one had something to do with the last six months?

207 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:48:19pm

re: #187 Gus 802

Meanwhile at the Hot Air comments. Circa 2009 and on the Obama administration:

Kristallnacht and Reichstag Fire all rolled into one. But don’t call them Nazis.

Now can we know the name of the sign holder that the Secret Service arrested a couple of weeks ago, or is that too much to ask?

BuddahBubbapundit on August 26, 2009 at 11:25 PM

fixed

208 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:48:39pm

re: #179 Stanley Sea

I'm still wondering why the hell Al Sharpton made it into this thread.

Nostalgia.

209 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:49:11pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Seriously, comparing people who want marriage equality to the Nazis. I am not anti Christian but I don't blame gay people for being hostile to Mormons, Evangelicals, and Catholics for being some of the biggest funders in the movement to stop gay marriage. Erickson's a douche for making that analogy. I could make the same analogy for how right wingers act about the Muslims.

There's always Scott Lively who wrote "Pink Swastika":

Scott Lively is the president of the "Abiding Truth Ministries", a conservative Christian organization that promotes conservative family values. In his biography he describes himself as "one of the most knowledgable and articulate opponents of the homosexual agenda in America."

Along with Kevin E. Abrams, he co-authored the book The Pink Swastika, which states in the preface that "homosexuals [are] the true inventors of Nazism and the guiding force behind many Nazi atrocities." Several academic historians have questioned the book's claims and selective use of research.

Lively is the former state director for the California branch of the American Family Association and formed Watchmen on the Walls based in Riga, Latvia.

He has been linked to the Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill.

Scott Lively at LGF.

210 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:49:36pm

re: #198 Gus 802

Redstate

Hot Air

Over at Red State:

Leading to this comment:

Godwin FAIL

211 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:50:04pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

Godwin FAIL

Yeah. He can't even spell Godwin correctly.

212 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:50:16pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

A small anecdote:

A Catholic businessman I am tangentially connected to donated to an anti-Prop-8 group. His name appeared on their donor list. He was contacted by some people--not just random yahoos, but representatives of a well-known cconservative Catholic group--who suggested that he atone for his sins by making a bigger donation to their group, or have his name and business information publicized by them.

I love it when these sorts of people act as though they never fight dirty, and are only being victimized by the bloody Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. As though they didn't put out the scariest ads they could. As though Catholic and Mormon groups didn't pour a fortune in out-of-state money into this.

Get real, folks. It was a political fight. It looked nothing like Kristallnacht.

I saw the Dale Peterson ad tonight since at the end of our college dems meetings we watch funny clips and Peterson was slamming his opponents for doing dirty politics and said "As republicans we should know better." Being a whole room of Democrats we all laughed out loud obviously. But man that's messed up what happened to your aquaintence. Ultra conservative Catholics have always rubbed me the wrong way. Grew up with some. Their folks were real judgmental towards mine since my parents gave my brothers and I a secular education and weren't so taboo on subjects. The one thing I will always appreciate about my upbringing is my parents especially my dad were honest about sex, drugs, and alcohol. My dad never threatened us if we ever did pot or made us feel uncomfortable about looking at porn.

213 jaunte  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:50:18pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

I still a little puzzled by what they think they've won, if they win.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:51:01pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

The second one had something to do with the last six months?

Ah. It did. He says the Tea Party is built on hate.

I gotta say, little as I like Al, I'm not going to fight with him much over that. If not hate, at least extreme irrational dislike.

215 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:51:12pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

The second one had something to do with the last six months?

Dated 09.21.10 at 11:00 AM

hell,, that was the last six DAYS!

216 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:52:27pm

re: #209 Gus 802

There's always Scott Lively who wrote "Pink Swastika":

Scott Lively at LGF.

Well what do you know:

California GOP Group Hosts Author Who Claims Gays Behind Holocaust

A chapter of a group once described by Ronald Reagan as the “conscience of the Republican Party” has announced plans to host a speech by the author of a book that falsely claims that homosexuals largely orchestrated the Holocaust. The Murrieta-Temecula Republican Assembly, a local chapter of the conservative GOP activist group California Republican Assembly, says it will hear on April 3 from Scott Lively — a man it boastfully describes as “The Pastor Vilified by the Newspapers as a Hater Because of his stand Against the Promotion of Homosexuality.”

Lively, who runs Abiding Truth Ministries, co-authored the notorious book The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party and claims that “the Nazi Party was entirely controlled by militaristic male homosexuals throughout its short history.” The book’s crude thesis, that gay men played instrumental roles in forming the Third Reich and carrying out the Holocaust, has been thoroughly discredited by real historians. (Lively’s speech to the Murrieta-Temecula group is entitled “The Pink Swastika.”) Lively is also co-founder of the anti-gay hate group Watchmen on the Walls....

217 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:52:46pm

re: #209 Gus 802

There's always Scott Lively who wrote "Pink Swastika":

Scott Lively at LGF.

Watchmen on the Walls, based in RIGA?

OH God. Just been to their website. Now have to dip my poor laptop in holy water. Be back in a bit.

It's a 'Christian human rights' org that's all about how gay rights shouldn't be included in that.

218 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:53:10pm

re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist

I have nothing against Evangelicals, Catholics or Mormons. I count all three among my good friends, and they are all good paths.

I am still POed that certain church leadership among them took it on themselves to come into California to influence the vote. But such is political life.

What I cannot stand is the whining about how people of faith are the true victims. Yah.

Yep me too. But yeah wat bothers me is them acting like they're being persecuted too. I mean not that long ago we banned marriage between people of different races because it was "unnatural and unacceptable." I know anti gay marriage people don't like comparing banning interracial marriage to gay marriage but it is similiar in that proponents use unnatural as their argument against it.

219 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:53:11pm

re: #211 Gus 802

Yeah. He can't even spell Godwin correctly.

And his knowledge of 1930's Germany is pathetically wrong. I hate these history distorting-assholes.

220 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:53:11pm

re: #198 Gus 802

Gays are actively attacking the Mormon, Catholic and Evangelical churches in ads, invading church services and shouting obscenities in front of congregants and parishioners, Mocking Holy Communion in catholic churches dressed as transvestite nuns, assaulting old ladies on sidewalks for carrying a cross and snatching Bibles out of elderly person’s hands and beating them with them…shades of Kristallnacht and the attacks on Jewish businesses in pre WWII Germany...

People just lurve to spread their own bad dreams.

221 What, me worry?  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:53:21pm

re: #216 Gus 802

Well what do you know:

California GOP Group Hosts Author Who Claims Gays Behind Holocaust

There's a movie in there somewhere. I bet if Mel Brooks was a younger man...

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:53:55pm

re: #213 jaunte

I still a little puzzled by what they think they've won, if they win.

Decency, and the Continuation of Straight Marriage.

(Everyone straight I know says they were gonna stay married anyway, but whatthehell, you can never be too sure.)

223 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:54:59pm

re: #215 sattv4u2

Dated 09.21.10 at 11:00 AM

hell,, that was the last six DAYS!

Yes, but the whine seems to be that he said, some years ago, that he couldn't stop his people from hating on whites, and thought it was no big deal. The author then goes on to pout about how the TPers should get the same courtesy, which is a stupid argument unless you think Al's original statement was reasonable.

224 jaunte  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:55:20pm

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

The energy put forth for marriage improvement and against divorce seems a little anemic by comparison!

225 prairiefire  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:55:20pm

re: #221 marjoriemoon

There's a movie in there somewhere. I bet if Mel Brooks was a younger man...

Oh my gosh, I am going to miss him when he goes. I bet he is looking forward to being with his beloved Ann.

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:55:31pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Yep me too. But yeah wat bothers me is them acting like they're being persecuted too. I mean not that long ago we banned marriage between people of different races because it was "unnatural and unacceptable." I know anti gay marriage people don't like comparing banning interracial marriage to gay marriage but it is similiar in that proponents use unnatural as their argument against it.

The arguments against both are eerily similar.

227 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:56:23pm

re: #224 jaunte

The energy put forth for marriage improvement and against divorce seems a little anemic by comparison!

That's not government's problem!!!

(Except for this covenant marriage thing, which flips me the hell out.)

228 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:57:26pm

What does Erickson think of the many attacks that have come on people for being gay by people who are Christians. I don't have stats but I am sure much more people have been attacked for being gay by religious people than gay people have attacked people for being religion. Does the latter happen? Sure, is it wrong? Absolutely. The thing I don't get is why people like Erickson bring up gays being violent to Christians but conveintly ignore that people are violently attacked and in the case of Matthew Shepperd and others killed for being gay.

229 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:57:52pm

re: #216 Gus 802
This despite Hitler's attempts to purge the party of gays. Despite the fact that gays were rounded up, placed in ghettos, prisons, and death camps, or sometimes just executed. There are gays in every organization. But goodness, just cause they liked dressing up in leather, doesn't mean they were gay. Sounds like projection to me. It's not even a new idea.

230 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:59:33pm

And on that note, the long quiet ride home awaits!

231 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:00:13pm

re: #229 Escaped Hillbilly

This despite Hitler's attempts to purge the party of gays. Despite the fact that gays were rounded up, placed in ghettos, prisons, and death camps, or sometimes just executed. There are gays in every organization. But goodness, just cause they liked dressing up in leather, doesn't mean they were gay. Sounds like projection to me. It's not even a new idea.

And of course he neglects that the Nazis killed the party's most prominent gay member in a purge too. Sure, there were gay nazis but if that's this pastor's excuse for discriminating against gays then by his moronic logic we should discriminate against Lutherans and Catholics since there were Lutheran and Catholic nazis too. Seriouisly, I can't believe people liek this exist.

232 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:00:54pm

There's also Bryan Fischer who recently spoke at the Values Voter summit. He's another kook prone to comparing gays with Nazis, etc. I think his claim was that Hitler was gay.

233 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:01:21pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Calling out the speck in another's eye despite the plank in one's own eye...

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:01:48pm

re: #229 Escaped Hillbilly

But goodness, just cause they liked dressing up in leather, doesn't mean they were gay..

If someone writes a book in response to Lively's, can you consider using this as the title? Please?

235 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:02:09pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

And women! Lets not forget the Brown Sisters. And kids, we can't leave out the Hitler Youth. Then there's...wait for it....GERMANS. You can't trust those guys.

236 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:02:20pm

re: #225 prairiefire

check my new avatar. I trust you will appreciate. As I always do yours.

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:03:00pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

And of course he neglects that the Nazis killed the party's most prominent gay member in a purge too. Sure, there were gay nazis but if that's this pastor's excuse for discriminating against gays then by his moronic logic we should discriminate against Lutherans and Catholics since there were Lutheran and Catholic nazis too. Seriouisly, I can't believe people liek this exist.

It's the Lutherans' fault! And the Lutherans are still trying to kill everyone....AIIIIEEEE!!!!

Wait. The Lutherans are trying to pay off their kids' orthodontia, and learn to make an even more scrumptious coffeecake.

I apologize for the confusion.

238 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:03:04pm

re: #233 Taqyia2Me

Calling out the speck in another's eye despite the plank in one's own eye...

Yep, pretty much what it is. Seriously how intellectually dishonest can you be to decry gays attacking Christians but not decry vice versa especially when the other way around has resulted in deaths. Just for the record, I am not justifying gays attacking Christians but Mr. Erickson's dishonesty and inconsistency is bothersome.

239 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:03:15pm

BIAB

240 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:03:21pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

Funny. Funny. I'd buy it. Might have written it if I wanted to waste the time giving this guy serious attention.

241 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:04:09pm

re: #237 SanFranciscoZionist

It's the Lutherans' fault! And the Lutherans are still trying to kill everyone...AIIIEEE!!!

Wait. The Lutherans are trying to pay off their kids' orthodontia, and learn to make an even more scrumptious coffeecake.

I apologize for the confusion.

Are they going to be making wienerschintzel since l love schnitizel.

242 What, me worry?  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:05:40pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

re: #225 prairiefire

Love the profiles!

243 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:05:59pm

re: #235 Escaped Hillbilly

And women! Lets not forget the Brown Sisters. And kids, we can't leave out the Hitler Youth. Then there's...wait for it...GERMANS. You can't trust those guys.

And human beings too! Let's get rid of them. Oh wait. By the way, OT but I picked up the new Daily Show book today, Earth. Funny stuff. If you all liked America the Book, you will enjoy Earth.

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:06:34pm

re: #232 Gus 802

There's also Bryan Fischer who recently spoke at the Values Voter summit. He's another kook prone to comparing gays with Nazis, etc. I think his claim was that Hitler was gay.

So the obsessive relationships with women were just...window dressing?

You'd think one thing about being a dictator is that you'd get to be out, at least.

245 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:08:56pm

re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist

So the obsessive relationships with women were just...window dressing?

You'd think one thing about being a dictator is that you'd get to be out, at least.


If he was a VERY repressed gay, it could explain all the anger and the obsession with beautiful, perfect men.
Naaah. He was just a twisted evil SOB.

246 prairiefire  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:10:08pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

check my new avatar. I trust you will appreciate. As I always do yours.

So funny. That looks like me with my lobster tail at dinner tonight.

247 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:11:42pm

I just don't get their logic:
Some Nazis were Gay
Nazis were bad
Let's discriminate against gay people.
I mean that's an even bigger jump to conclusions mat than the guy in Office Space could have made. Seriously the lesson of the Nazis is that you don't discriminate against people because they're a different religion, ethnicity, or whatever. Not you discriminate against people because there wre bad people who were a certain thing. Using this stupid logic as I said, we should be forbidding Lutherans to marry or Chinese people to marry because of Mao but we don't because unlike Bryan Fischer and this stupid pastor, we're not stupid.

248 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:13:32pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Yum!
My lovely wife made schnitzel, red cabbage and spaetzle last nite!!
Cabbage with grann smith apples, bacon, garlic and chicken stock. Spaetzle with garlic, thyme, grain mustard and heavy cream...

249 jaunte  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:14:08pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Yep, pretty much what it is. Seriously how intellectually dishonest can you be to decry gays attacking Christians but not decry vice versa especially when the other way around has resulted in deaths. Just for the record, I am not justifying gays attacking Christians but Mr. Erickson's dishonesty and inconsistency is bothersome.

He seems to be in line with a lot of conservative politicians. Roy Moore of Alabama (famous for his 10 commandments courthouse rock) thinks the state should be able to lock up or execute gay people for being gay:

The State carries the power of the sword, that is, the power to prohibit conduct with physical penalties, such as confinement and even execution. It must use that power to prevent the subversion of children toward this lifestyle, to not encourage a criminal lifestyle.
[Link: jenkinsear.com...]
250 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:14:51pm

re: #247 HappyWarrior

I just don't get their logic:
Some Nazis were Gay
Nazis were bad
Let's discriminate against gay people.
I mean that's an even bigger jump to conclusions mat than the guy in Office Space could have made. Seriously the lesson of the Nazis is that you don't discriminate against people because they're a different religion, ethnicity, or whatever. Not you discriminate against people because there wre bad people who were a certain thing. Using this stupid logic as I said, we should be forbidding Lutherans to marry or Chinese people to marry because of Mao but we don't because unlike Bryan Fischer and this stupid pastor, we're not stupid.

My husband is proposing that white people, by this logic, should also be banned from marriage.

And people with stupid haircuts.

251 What, me worry?  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:14:57pm

re: #249 jaunte

He seems to be in line with a lot of conservative politicians. Roy Moore of Alabama (famous for his 10 commandments courthouse rock) thinks the state should be able to lock up or execute gay people for being gay:

Is he part of that Uganda bunch?

252 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:16:12pm

re: #246 prairiefire

Hey, your B-Day dinner? Excellent!

253 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:16:18pm

re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband is proposing that white people, by this logic, should also be banned from marriage.

And people with stupid haircuts.


Well, no. But I could vote for banning people with those little Charlie Chaplin mustaches from marrying...unless they are actually Charlie Chaplin of course.

254 theheat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:16:43pm

re: #198 Gus 802

Straw Men Get Land Legs would have been a better title for their paranoid cautionary fairy tales. But that's just me.

255 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:17:07pm

re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband is proposing that white people, by this logic, should also be banned from marriage.

And people with stupid haircuts.

I did see a clip where Hitler had a skater's cut. Gosh that thing made him look like a dork. My one brother had one when he was like six.

256 jaunte  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:17:51pm

re: #251 marjoriemoon

I don't immediately find a direct link, but it wouldn't be surprising.
[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

257 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:18:31pm

re: #255 HappyWarrior

I did see a clip where Hitler had a skater's cut. Gosh that thing made him look like a dork. My one brother had one when he was like six.


Is that like a bowl cut?

258 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:19:40pm

re: #257 Escaped Hillbilly

Is that like a bowl cut?

Yea, it's extremely dorky looking. As I said my brother had one when he was gosh in kindergarten or preschool aged.

259 What, me worry?  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:20:15pm

re: #253 Escaped Hillbilly

Well, no. But I could vote for banning people with those little Charlie Chaplin mustaches from marrying...unless they are actually Charlie Chaplin of course.

My grandad had a mustache like that when he was younger. And he fled Poland in 1918 after WWI. It was the style of the time. After WWII, it obviously became a lot less fashionable.

260 Digital Display  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:22:54pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

Yea, it's extremely dorky looking. As I said my brother had one when he was gosh in kindergarten or preschool aged.

We really need a top five of dorkiest Dictator hair cuts in History
I think LiL' Kim would be in the top five..Hitler at #1 or #2.. I think Benito Mussolini would crack the top 10

261 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:23:03pm

later people. Out to check out the Wizards opening practice session. Not a big NBA fan but John Wall's supposed to be a really special PG and this isn't a long walk at all. Plus free food too heh.

262 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:23:18pm

re: #247 HappyWarrior

I just don't get their logic:
Some Nazis were Gay
Nazis were bad
Let's discriminate against gay people.
I mean that's an even bigger jump to conclusions mat than the guy in Office Space could have made. Seriously the lesson of the Nazis is that you don't discriminate against people because they're a different religion, ethnicity, or whatever. Not you discriminate against people because there wre bad people who were a certain thing. Using this stupid logic as I said, we should be forbidding Lutherans to marry or Chinese people to marry because of Mao but we don't because unlike Bryan Fischer and this stupid pastor, we're not stupid.

Moreover, it entirely overlooks the Night of the Long Knives.

263 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:24:25pm

re: #259 marjoriemoon

My grandad had a mustache like that when he was younger. And he fled Poland in 1918 after WWI. It was the style of the time. After WWII, it obviously became a lot less fashionable.


A friend got a bad hair cut and after stepping out of the shower, noted how much his mustache made him look like Hitler. His wife agreed and took a pic of him with his hair combed to the side. They thought people would see the ironic humor in it, given their mixed race heritage and put it on the Facebook page. Big mistake. A lot of folks thought he was actually a Hitler wannabe. Got a LOT of hatemail. Of course they took it down. But yeah, it is a VERY unpopular look except with a select group.

264 prairiefire  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:25:43pm

re: #242 marjoriemoon

re: #225 prairiefire

Love the profiles!

Thanks! Today is my 1 year LGF anniversary. I will hit the tip jar tomorrow. Thanks, Charles!

265 Digital Display  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:25:55pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

later people. Out to check out the Wizards opening practice session. Not a big NBA fan but John Wall's supposed to be a really special PG and this isn't a long walk at all. Plus free food too heh.

I Hate you! Have great time..Check out Wall..They are saying he is 6'3"..
That is such BS.. Paulie stood by him in Indy and said he is 6'1" tops...

266 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:26:09pm

re: #255 HappyWarrior

I did see a clip where Hitler had a skater's cut. Gosh that thing made him look like a dork. My one brother had one when he was like six.

There's a wonderful bit in one of the later Adrian Mole books where he gets a gig on a TV cooking show, and his hair gets styled, "1940s, like Hitler!" by a studio hairstylist who, when Adrian says he doesn't want to look like Hitler, and explains why, says defensively that she skipped the history module in school and took environmental studies instead.

(She also tells him that he's going gray, and developing a bald spot, and pretty much ruins his day, along with making him look like Hitler.)

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:26:47pm

re: #260 HoosierHoops

We really need a top five of dorkiest Dictator hair cuts in History
I think LiL' Kim would be in the top five..Hitler at #1 or #2.. I think Benito Mussolini would crack the top 10

Jon Stewart calls Li'l Kim "Bouffant Hitler".

268 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:26:49pm

re: #265 HoosierHoops

I Hate you! Have great time..Check out Wall..They are saying he is 6'3"..
That is such BS.. Paulie stood by him in Indy and said he is 6'1" tops...

Thanks, yeah I'll have a look at him for ya. I'm just around 5'11 to 6 myself so if he looks close to my height I'll be able to tell.

269 Escaped Hillbilly  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:29:49pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

Yea, it's extremely dorky looking. As I said my brother had one when he was gosh in kindergarten or preschool aged.


Calling it a skater's cut makes me think of the scene from History of the World...Part II. Hitler on Ice!

270 What, me worry?  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:30:23pm

re: #263 Escaped Hillbilly

A friend got a bad hair cut and after stepping out of the shower, noted how much his mustache made him look like Hitler. His wife agreed and took a pic of him with his hair combed to the side. They thought people would see the ironic humor in it, given their mixed race heritage and put it on the Facebook page. Big mistake. A lot of folks thought he was actually a Hitler wannabe. Got a LOT of hatemail. Of course they took it down. But yeah, it is a VERY unpopular look except with a select group.

lol Well he should have known better!

I think the mustache style survived a bit past the mid 1940s, but by the 1950s, it was gone. Just like women stopped naming their children Adolph.

271 What, me worry?  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:31:02pm

re: #264 prairiefire

Thanks! Today is my 1 year LGF anniversary. I will hit the tip jar tomorrow. Thanks, Charles!

Happy Anniversary to you and your Rainbow Pant Suits!

272 Digital Display  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:32:52pm

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Thanks, yeah I'll have a look at him for ya. I'm just around 5'11 to 6 myself so if he looks close to my height I'll be able to tell.

He is an outstanding PG..Fast, Passes well, Sees the defense..Breaks down players by attacking the rim..A leader on the court...I really like Wall but the problem is..They drafted him as a superstar savor.. It takes time to develop a world class PG...It took what? 3 years for Tony Parker to bloom? The expectations are high for him and it's not fair

273 prairiefire  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:53:58pm

I think this new Budweiser ad is fantastic:[Link: www.budweiser.com...]

274 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 12:59:10am

re: #42 RogueOne

Hell yeah. I'm a hoosier, the only thing that could make me happier is if ODonnell were running in KY.

Or if IU were to smoke UK in basketball. :-) There are higher priorities in Indiana life than mere politics.

275 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 1:08:44am

re: #107 Varek Raith

Code Pink is.
So is ACORN.
And SPECTRE.
And...

KAOS

276 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 1:30:27am

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

Moreover, it entirely overlooks the Night of the Long Knives.

IIRC, that was the purge of Roehm (a known and profligate homosexual) and the SA in 1934. While part of the reason for the purge was internal Party politics, the preferences of Roehm and many of his top lieutenants also played a role.

277 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:07:28am

re: #79 lostlakehiker

He wins by a minimum of 15pts. It's a safe republican district in a republican year. This race is over, mark it down.

Democrats fear Midwestern meltdown
[Link: www.politico.com...]


“There's little doubt that the Midwest is the Democrats' toughest region this year,” Democratic pollster Tom Jensen of Public Policy Polling wrote on the firm’s website Friday, adding that the firm is also finding an enthusiasm gap of about 10 points down from what existed in 2008.
278 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:11:39am

re: #172 Gus 802

I'm wondering if any of those items mention anything about jobs, the economy, HCR, or banker bailouts. You know, policy issues that people are actually going to vote on this November.


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