112 GOP Candidates Support Forcing Women to Bear Rapists' Babies

112 GOP Candidates Support Forcing Women to Bear Rapists’ Babies

WingnutsSeptember 2010 • Views: 14,476

Today I discovered a link to the Republican National Coalition for Life PAC, where they rate GOP candidates on their anti-abortion purity, and my jaw is on the floor at how many of these candidates support the cruelest and most extreme anti-abortion positions — forcing a woman to give birth to a rapist’s baby, even if the rapist is her father.

By the sheer number of these people, it looks like there’s going to be a very big push to make abortion flat-out illegal in all cases, coming soon. If I’m reading the page correctly, 112 of the GOP candidates in this election support outright bans on abortion: 2010 Election Candidates responses to the RNC/Life Questionnaire.

Republican National Coalition for Life PAC supports Republican candidates who are pro-life without discrimination and who will work to translate Republican pro-life platform principles into public policy and law. For your information, we have listed the Republican Congressional Candidates whose responses to the RNC/Life Questionnaire indicate they are faithfully pro-life, and do not justify abortion for babies who are conceived through rape or incest, have a handicap, or a genetic defect.

Politicians who justify the deliberate killing of an unborn baby hold a view that is inconsistent with the goal of the pro-life movement and the Republican National Platform which states in part: “The unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed.” RNC/Life does not support candidates who hold such exceptions because to do so ensures that abortion will remain legal in America. The exception makes the rule. Please do what you can to educate your congressional candidates so they recognize their inconsistency. You can’t claim to be pro-life and justify abortion at the same time.

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155 comments

Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Sep 28, 2010 2:47:46pm

And this sort of twisted "morality" is why the GOP is utterly evil.

b_sharp Tue, Sep 28, 2010 2:48:38pm

Republican wet dream:

Smaller government = more repressive laws.

That somehow doesn't quite equate.

Kragar Tue, Sep 28, 2010 2:49:05pm

It's amazing what kind of shit you can believe if you can chalk it up to God's Plan.

Kragar Tue, Sep 28, 2010 2:52:33pm

Study: Abortion doesn't cause teen depression

The framing of the study is crucial, because anti-abortion activists have long used allegations of abortion's emotional harm to restrict reproductive rights. Specifically, when it comes to adolescents, activists have used the emotional harm argument to support the push for strict parental notification laws and mandated disclosure to patients of the supposed psychological risks. The truth, according to science, is that "on average, abortion does not appear to have major psychological consequences -- for adult women or for teens," says Warren. Marie Harvey, a public health professor at Oregon State University, which conducted the research with the University of California, San Francisco, said: "We have policies being made that are not evidence-based, and that have adverse consequences for women's health."

Gus Tue, Sep 28, 2010 2:53:22pm

The big tent. /

I have an idea. Why doesn't the GOP just build robots to run for office? The whole idea of being a Republican these days means you have to think exactly alike one another.

Vambo Tue, Sep 28, 2010 2:53:39pm

Another wedge issue... but hey, I'm sure these Repubs have tons of great, viable ideas to help fix the economy and create jobs, they're just not talking about them.//

SpaceJesus Tue, Sep 28, 2010 2:54:11pm

the republicans are literally the party of the dark ages

theheat Tue, Sep 28, 2010 2:54:21pm

If there were even 113 GOP candidates pushing for this, I wouldn't vote for a'one of them. Not if there were 213. Or just 13.

I'm am so over the backasswardsness of the Christian Taliban. I quit that bitch, and I ain't going back.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Sep 28, 2010 2:54:28pm

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It's amazing what kind of shit you can believe if you can chalk it up to God's Plan.

Particularly if you have the image of a vengeful and hateful God who says you are somehow more loved just for paying lip service to him, and others are damned.

Kragar Tue, Sep 28, 2010 2:54:39pm

re: #6 Vambo

Another wedge issue... but hey, I'm sure these Repubs have tons of great, viable ideas to help fix the economy and create jobs, they're just not talking about them.//

Its a secret, but you have to elect them before they tell you.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Sep 28, 2010 2:56:35pm

re: #6 Vambo

Another wedge issue... but hey, I'm sure these Repubs have tons of great, viable ideas to help fix the economy and create jobs, they're just not talking about them.//

Actually, they did everything in their power to stop the jobs bill, the one thing that would stimulate the economy and they oppose anything that would help. Of course, they also made it possible through de-regulation to get into this mess in the first place.

How anyone believes that teh GOP is good for the economy is beyond me.

They spend way more than Dems and they only find new ways for their wealthy cohorts to feed off the public trough while crushing the middle class and lying about it.

Kragar Tue, Sep 28, 2010 2:59:44pm

re: #11 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually, they did everything in their power to stop the jobs bill, the one thing that would stimulate the economy and they oppose anything that would help. Of course, they also made it possible through de-regulation to get into this mess in the first place.

How anyone believes that teh GOP is good for the economy is beyond me.

They spend way more than Dems and they only find new ways for their wealthy cohorts to feed off the public trough while crushing the middle class and lying about it.

The GOP voted in a block today that would have given tax breaks to companies that returned jobs from overseas back to America and penalize companies which outsource out of the country.

The good old GOP, always looking out for ya.

theheat Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:00:47pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Also known as 20/20 hindsight, or Coulda Woulda Shoulda. For fuck's sake, these people are thick.

Gus Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:00:55pm

"We at the GOP believe that abortion should be illegal even in cases of rape and incest."

Cut to image of Richard Gilmore.

"Meet the father of your child."

wrenchwench Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:01:56pm

Pro-life without discrimination

I would call it discrimination against born people, but they aren't asking me.

Stanghazi Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:02:37pm

People are overreacting! It's not the end of the world. Have your baby, go on Dancing with the Stars, it's not that bad.

/dripping

Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:02:50pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The GOP voted in a block today that would have given tax breaks to companies that returned jobs from overseas back to America and penalize companies which outsource out of the country.

The good old GOP, always looking out for ya.

Well you know that populist party of the people needs to feed its corporate masters. It is on things like this that the Dems should be owning the GOP and calling them to answer for in loud voices.

allegro Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:05:01pm

re: #16 Stanley Sea

People are overreacting! It's not the end of the world. Have your baby, go on Dancing with the Stars, it's not that bad.

/dripping

Found it amusing last night on the show when the audience suddenly booed as the just-danced couple was being interviewed off stage. The booing was loud and they commented on it. Then the camera cut to the host who was sitting next to Sara to talk to her...

Kragar Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:06:39pm

Oh boy

Christine O’Donnell Hires Carly "Demon Sheep" Fiorina’s Ad Man

brookly red Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:07:08pm

re: #18 allegro

Found it amusing last night on the show when the audience suddenly booed as the just-danced couple was being interviewed off stage. The booing was loud and they commented on it. Then the camera cut to the host who was sitting next to Sara to talk to her...

world view based on TV... I guess I can't argue with that.

Vambo Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:07:51pm

re: #11 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually, they did everything in their power to stop the jobs bill, the one thing that would stimulate the economy and they oppose anything that would help. Of course, they also made it possible through de-regulation to get into this mess in the first place.

How anyone believes that teh GOP is good for the economy is beyond me.

They spend way more than Dems and they only find new ways for their wealthy cohorts to feed off the public trough while crushing the middle class and lying about it.

fiscally conservative plans from campaign ads I have seen:

- cut taxes
- stop spending (on what is anyone's guess)
- stop Obamacare (because of death panels, subsidized abortions, and "government doctors")
- cut taxes for the top 1% so they can give us jobs (because this worked exceptionally well throughout GWB's term)

bratwurst Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:08:35pm

Shouldn't we have someone around by this point to tell us that we should just ignore the social conservatives because they don't REALLY mean it?

allegro Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:08:52pm

re: #21 Vambo

fiscally conservative plans from campaign ads I have seen:

- cut taxes
- stop spending (on what is anyone's guess)
- stop Obamacare (because of death panels, subsidized abortions, and "government doctors")
- cut taxes for the top 1% so they can give us jobs (because this worked exceptionally well throughout GWB's term)

-laugh all the way to the bank cuz the idiots bought it AGAIN

Gus Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:10:02pm

The GOP thinks abortion should be illegal even in cases of rape.

Meet Richard Ramirez - aka the Night Stalker also accused of rape.

theheat Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:10:04pm

re: #23 allegro

Lucy + Football = works every time. With a heavy dose of prayer, of course.

Randall Gross Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:11:43pm

Wow, are there any sane GOP leaders besides Schwarzenegger left? I'm almost in agreement with Markos' "American Taliban" book because of shit like this. (almost, not quite there yet...)

OT:
Any lizards fluent in French who want to read this and summarize? Mentions Israel, Palestine, Marine Le Pen, and Brussels Journal, curious as to what they are really saying and Babelfish is making a dog's lunch of the translation.

[Link: www.come4news.com...]

allegro Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:12:55pm

While these assholes are strutting about with their holy pronouncements of no abortion under any circumstances, their wives, daughters, and sisters are getting abortions when needed. OK for me, but not for thee... slut.

darthstar Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:14:15pm

Who knew pro-life rapists were such an important demographic for Republicans?

hint: if your tent is THAT big and inclusive, you need a smaller tent.

Gus Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:18:51pm

So if a 12 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant her parents wouldn't be allowed to select an abortion for their own child.

Worse yet. If a 12 year old girl is raped by her father, these GOP members would say abortion should not be allowed.

allegro Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:20:41pm

re: #29 Gus 802

So if a 12 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant her parents wouldn't be allowed to select an abortion for their own child.

Worse yet. If a 12 year old girl is raped by her father, these GOP members would say abortion should not be allowed.

They would pray a lot and give her own reality TV show to celebrate motherhood.

allegro Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:21:10pm

re: #30 allegro

... and family values.

Vambo Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:21:47pm

re: #29 Gus 802

Worse yet. If a 12 year old girl is raped by her father, these GOP members would say abortion should not be allowed.

Sharon Angle would put "rape" in scare quotes and mention something about how she was asking for it, or whatever.

A Man for all Seasons Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:23:05pm

Good Evening Lizards..
I thought this was settled law by the High Court.. WTF is the GOP talking about now? Sick if you ask me

Varek Raith Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:23:34pm

Whiskey.
Tango.
Foxtrot.

Gus Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:23:41pm

re: #31 allegro

... and family values.

You know these pro-lifers. Heck. If you had a cancer that ate away half of your head and face and was still working its way through they'd say no to physician-assisted suicide if the patient so desired.

allegro Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:23:44pm

re: #33 HoosierHoops

It's only settled law until another case comes up before the Supreme Court.

sagehen Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:24:06pm

re: #18 allegro

Found it amusing last night on the show when the audience suddenly booed as the just-danced couple was being interviewed off stage. The booing was loud and they commented on it. Then the camera cut to the host who was sitting next to Sara to talk to her...

It films in Los Angeles, right? So I wouldn't take this as any evidence that Sarah's peeps are turning on her, just that LA is totally not her stronghold.

Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:24:58pm

Look at the issues the Republicans continue to hammer on and you'll notice a pattern. I mention xenophobia and fear a lot. but you can broaden it out into a wider pattern. Make sure to tear down groups that are in the minority in order to create a sense of superiority in the people not affected. Give people an excuse, a reason to look down on others and judge them wanting. Judge them immoral, and give the people who aren't affected someone to point at, and think, 'thank goodness I'm not like that guy/gal'.

Meanwhile, continue to push the idea that everyone is successful if only they try hard enough, and that the ones who fail, who are out of work, it must be a moral failing that causes them to be idled. Since they're moral failures, don't help them, don't let the government waste *your* morally worked for hard earned money to those lazy people.

Push the idea that pregnancy is a moral judgment because the woman had sex, never mind if she was 12 and forced by daddy, or 35 and raped by some guy at knife point. Never mind if the condom breaks, or the pill didn't work. And what must have the woman done wrong if the child is developing without a brain?

You see the same pattern with illegal immigrants and minority religions. They're not like us, they're from another place, and they're here to steal our jobs (and maybe our daughters too). Minority religions? well, they're all going to Hell, but they may be terrorists or immoral godless heathens!

It's an Us versus Them mentality, which strives to make sure the Them is either some small group that can be judged, or is some nebulous entity that is scary and out to destroy America.

It's the same song and dance from the Republican party, and as the War for the Republican soul winds down and the new breed of conservatism grabs the bit, you can expect the stridency to increase, the rhetoric to be pushed further extremes, and the danger of a real rupture in America increase.

allegro Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:25:27pm

re: #37 sagehen

It films in Los Angeles, right? So I wouldn't take this as any evidence that Sarah's peeps are turning on her, just that LA is totally not her stronghold.

It's just interesting to see an audience reaction when it isn't the hand-picked audience she's used to.

Gus Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:29:50pm

Let's also not forget the GOP Gang of 30 that voted against the Franken amendment thus voting to protect corporation from liability in cases of gang rape.

Meet The Senators Who Voted Against The Franken Amendment

Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)

Gus Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:30:24pm

re: #40 Gus 802

Oh look! There's David Vitter.

Varek Raith Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:30:59pm

re: #40 Gus 802

Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)

Ahem.
GO TO HELL, SENATORS.

pharmmajor Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:31:33pm

Yet another reason to support the Libertarians; we will NOT restrict a woman's right to have an abortion because of a flimsy religious pretext.

theheat Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:31:41pm

re: #38 bloodstar

At the root of all that, is fear. Fear you'll lose something - your money, your health, or your life - to someone not as worthy. The GOP pimps fear like a drug.

Come to think of it, I never saw such a bunch of warmongering chickenshits in my life. They're scared of everything.

lostlakehiker Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:32:28pm

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

And this sort of twisted "morality" is why the GOP is utterly evil.

It's why the GOP position on this topic is indefensible. There's a difference. In politics, there is only a choice between evils. There is no "party of light". This position is a weighty reason to vote against the GOP, and in particular, against those 112 candidates. But since the position is entirely made of moonbeams and cannot be implemented in law, it's not necessarily the only consideration when it comes to voting.

If we had Reagan/Carter to do over, I'd say Reagan ought to get the nod. Carter never could get his head around the fact that there really was a Bear, for instance. That, plus he was just terrible when it came to the economy. Once in a while, the Democrats give us a candidate so bad that a better than average Republican is the lesser evil.

Gus Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:33:28pm

re: #42 Varek Raith

Ahem.
GO TO HELL, SENATORS.

Right. They'd protect the Haliburtons first then tell the rape victim "no can do" if she desired an abortion.

~~Country~~ Corporations first!

Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:36:11pm

re: #44 theheat

At the root of all that, is fear. Fear you'll lose something - your money, your health, or your life - to someone not as worthy. The GOP pimps fear like a drug.

Come to think of it, I never saw such a bunch of warmongering chickenshits in my life. They're scared of everything.

You put it much more succinctly than I ever can. :)

BongCrodny Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:36:35pm

Yet another reason to support the Libertarians; we will NOT restrict a woman's right to have an abortion because of a flimsy religious pretext.

What if she couldn't afford to pay for one?

CarleeCork Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:36:57pm

re: #29 Gus 802

So if a 12 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant her parents wouldn't be allowed to select an abortion for their own child.

Worse yet. If a 12 year old girl is raped by her father, these GOP members would say abortion should not be allowed.

She should just make lemonade.
///

theheat Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:40:36pm

re: #47 bloodstar

Nah, you done good. You fill in all the important stuff. I'm more of a sketch artist.

Lidane Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:43:41pm

re: #29 Gus 802

To put it in more stark terms, they agree with the Catholic Church that the pregnant 9-year old in Brazil who had been repeatedly raped by her stepfather should have carried the twins she was pregnant with to term instead of having a medically necessary abortion.

Never mind that the pregnancy and any potential labor would literally have killed such a young girl since her body could never have handled the strain. The unborn babies comes first no matter the circumstances or the cost, don'tcha know.

That's what these 112 GOP assholes are agreeing with. It's vile and cruel, and should be objected to in the strongest possible terms.

wrenchwench Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:44:42pm

re: #43 pharmmajor

Yet another reason to support the Libertarians; we will NOT restrict a woman's right to have an abortion because of a flimsy religious pretext.

We who? You have no way to hold your candidates accountable to that position. Your most famous representative is on that damn list.

Gus Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:48:58pm

re: #51 Lidane

To put it in more stark terms, they agree with the Catholic Church that the pregnant 9-year old in Brazil who had been repeatedly raped by her stepfather should have carried the twins she was pregnant with to term instead of having a medically necessary abortion.

Never mind that the pregnancy and any potential labor would literally have killed such a young girl since her body could never have handled the strain. The unborn babies comes first no matter the circumstances or the cost, don'tcha know.

That's what these 112 GOP assholes are agreeing with. It's vile and cruel, and should be objected to in the strongest possible terms.

Here's the worm that initiated the excommunication:

Image: dom-jose-cardoso-sobrinho.jpg

Gus Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:50:18pm

My sensors detect hate emails being written as we type.

wrenchwench Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:51:19pm

re: #54 Gus 802

My sensors detect hate emails being written as we type.

Here's what I sent:

I cannot vote for you because you oppose legal abortion for victims of rape and incest. That is a cruel position to hold. I'm interested in national security and fiscal responsibility, but I'll vote for a Democrat to defeat someone who holds that inhuman position on abortion.

Gus Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:51:59pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

Here's what I sent:

Oh, I meant to Charles. You know how they get.

wrenchwench Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:53:02pm

re: #56 Gus 802

Oh, I meant to Charles. You know how they get.

oops.

I hope those ones get deleted upon arrival.

pharmmajor Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:56:44pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

We who? You have no way to hold your candidates accountable to that position. Your most famous representative is on that damn list.

Well that should tell you that he's not a real libertarian, but a LINO.

wrenchwench Tue, Sep 28, 2010 3:58:10pm

re: #58 pharmmajor

Well that should tell you that he's not a real libertarian, but a LINO.

Which makes your party as worthless as the other two. The party ID means nothing when it comes to actual positions and actions.

Kronocide Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:00:54pm

Agnostics and Atheists know more about religion than believers poll finds.

Jews poll high as well. Guess who's down towards the bottom?

Obdicut Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:05:34pm

re: #58 pharmmajor

Well that should tell you that he's not a real libertarian, but a LINO.

Most big-L libertarians I have known say it's a state's rights issue and the federal government should butt out. The Libertarian party platform says that the government 'shouldn't interfere', which presumably would keep it legal but also have the government defund all hospitals offering abortion.

The Libertarian Party platform on this is, I believe, purposefully written so as to be nearly impossible to understand any actual policy.

Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:06:28pm

the GOP - for a government so small it fits into a womb...............

Obdicut Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:06:57pm

re: #45 lostlakehiker

Can you explain what you mean by saying this cannot be implemented into law, please?

No restrictions on abortion are possible?

It's not possible to pass an amendment banning abortion?

pharmmajor Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:12:02pm

re: #61 Obdicut

Most big-L libertarians I have known say it's a state's rights issue and the federal government should butt out. The Libertarian party platform says that the government 'shouldn't interfere', which presumably would keep it legal but also have the government defund all hospitals offering abortion.

Well that's based on the idea that a person's tax dollars shouldn't be used to fund something he or she is personally opposed to instead of outlawing the practice.

And are you saying the federal government should be involved in this matter?

shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:12:52pm

re: #61 Obdicut

Most big-L libertarians I have known say it's a state's rights issue and the federal government should butt out. The Libertarian party platform says that the government 'shouldn't interfere', which presumably would keep it legal but also have the government defund all hospitals offering abortion.

The Libertarian Party platform on this is, I believe, purposefully written so as to be nearly impossible to understand any actual policy.

"True" Libertarians have the same problem contemplating the exercise of governmental power as the original Anarchists. The underlying philosophy is strongly slanted toward individual and small group self-determination, so external government is anathema; any attempt to draft policy in line with relevant political philosophical orthodoxy is doomed to chase itself around the tree until it melts into a pat of butter.

Obdicut Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:13:13pm

re: #58 pharmmajor

Well that should tell you that he's not a real libertarian, but a LINO.

This guy is a Libertarian Party Candidate. He's listed on the Libertarian Party webpage.

[Link: kevincraig.us...]

He's crazy religious.

pharmmajor Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:13:48pm

re: #66 Obdicut

This guy is a Libertarian Party Candidate. He's listed on the Libertarian Party webpage.

[Link: kevincraig.us...]

He's crazy religious.

There's a difference between calling yourself a libertarian and actually standing up for what the party believes in.

wrenchwench Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:14:26pm

re: #67 pharmmajor

There's a difference between calling yourself a libertarian and actually standing up for what the party believes in.

And that difference is...?

Obdicut Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:14:27pm

re: #64 pharmmajor

Well that's based on the idea that a person's tax dollars shouldn't be used to fund something he or she is personally opposed to instead of outlawing the practice.

You can't run a government like that-- there are almost no issues, literally, that everyone agrees on. Even when they agree in principle, they don't agree on the practice.

And are you saying the federal government should be involved in this matter?

Yes. Abortion is a medical procedure that should remain legal. In so far as the government supports any practice of medicine, abortion should also be supported.

shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:14:28pm

re: #64 pharmmajor

Well that's based on the idea that a person's tax dollars shouldn't be used to fund something he or she is personally opposed to instead of outlawing the practice.

And are you saying the federal government should be involved in this matter?

Are you truly inferring that it is feasible or even desirable that each individual contribute only to what he needs or believes others should need? That isn't true freedom, that is tyranny of the individual.

shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:15:37pm

re: #67 pharmmajor

There's a difference between calling yourself a libertarian and actually standing up for what the party believes in.

In my experience, "Libertarian" is the line you run on when the Green Party and the Conservative Party both think you're unsupportable.

Gus Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:15:41pm

From the abstract to Abortion in early America

Abortion was frequently practiced in North America during the period from 1600 to 1900. Many tribal societies knew how to induce abortions. They used a variety of methods including the use of black root and cedar root as abortifacient agents. During the colonial period, the legality of abortion varied from colony to colony and reflected the attitude of the European country which controlled the specific colony. In the British colonies abortions were legal if they were performed prior to quickening. In the French colonies abortions were frequently performed despite the fact that they were considered to be illegal. In the Spanish and Portuguese colonies abortion was illegal. From 1776 until the mid-1800s abortion was viewed as socially unacceptable; however, abortions were not illegal in most states. During the 1860s a number of states passed anti-abortion laws. Most of these laws were ambiguous and difficult to enforce. After 1860 stronger anti-abortion laws were passed and these laws were more vigorously enforced. As a result, many women began to utilize illegal underground abortion services. Although abortion was legalized in 1970, many women are still forced to obtain illegal abortion or to perform self-abortions due to the economic constraints imposed by the Hyde Amendment and the unavailability of services in many areas. Throughout the colonial period and during the early years of the republic, the abortion situation for slave women was different than for other women. Slaves were subject to the rules of their owners, and the owners refused to allow their slaves to terminate pregnancies. The owners wanted their slaves to produce as many children as possible since these children belonged to the slave owners. This situation persisted until the end of the slavery era.

Which I will isolate:

Throughout the colonial period and during the early years of the republic, the abortion situation for slave women was different than for other women.

Slaves were subject to the rules of their owners, and the owners refused to allow their slaves to terminate pregnancies.

The owners wanted their slaves to produce as many children as possible since these children belonged to the slave owners.

This situation persisted until the end of the slavery era.

Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:15:57pm

re: #64 pharmmajor

Well that's based on the idea that a person's tax dollars shouldn't be used to fund something he or she is personally opposed to instead of outlawing the practice.

And are you saying the federal government should be involved in this matter?

But why does that theory apply just to this particular health care issue and is not being loudly pushed regarding all other aspects of government? Shouldn't Christian Scientists be allowed to not have their tax dollars used for medical care in general, pacifists deny their dollars to defense spending, and socialists money going to corporate welfare?

/(the examples at least)

Obdicut Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:17:43pm

re: #67 pharmmajor

There's a difference between calling yourself a libertarian and actually standing up for what the party believes in.

I'm saying I found him by going to the Libertarian Party website and clicking around on candidates.

If he doesn't stand up for what the party believes in, why does the Party consider him a candidate?

Here's another:

[Link: site.votemosbacher.com...]

Sanctity of Life
Life is under attack. I choose to defend it. I am against abortion and will fight any attempt to provide funding for abortions.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:18:03pm

re: #51 Lidane

To put it in more stark terms, they agree with the Catholic Church that the pregnant 9-year old in Brazil who had been repeatedly raped by her stepfather should have carried the twins she was pregnant with to term instead of having a medically necessary abortion.

Never mind that the pregnancy and any potential labor would literally have killed such a young girl since her body could never have handled the strain. The unborn babies comes first no matter the circumstances or the cost, don'tcha know.

That's what these 112 GOP assholes are agreeing with. It's vile and cruel, and should be objected to in the strongest possible terms.

Except that the unborn babies don't come first either. They had no chance. If you want to point fingers at who killed them, it's their father and grandfather, not the doctor who performed the abortion. They would not have survived. Their mother--oh God, using a word like that for a nine-year-old--had a chance.

Denying that abortion was not a matter of choosing life, it was a matter of choosing death for three, instead of one.

God bless those who chose to ignore the ruling.

wrenchwench Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:18:46pm

re: #72 Gus 802

From the abstract to Abortion in early America

Which I will isolate:

Throughout the colonial period and during the early years of the republic, the abortion situation for slave women was different than for other women.

Slaves were subject to the rules of their owners, and the owners refused to allow their slaves to terminate pregnancies.

The owners wanted their slaves to produce as many children as possible since these children belonged to the slave owners.

This situation persisted until the end of the slavery era.

That makes me feel so special! Right to lifers think of all women the way slaves were thought about.

shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:19:37pm

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist

Except that the unborn babies don't come first either. They had no chance. If you want to point fingers at who killed them, it's their father and grandfather, not the doctor who performed the abortion. They would not have survived. Their mother--oh God, using a word like that for a nine-year-old--had a chance.

Denying that abortion was not a matter of choosing life, it was a matter of choosing death for three, instead of one.

God bless those who chose to ignore the ruling.

Hi SFZ. Glad to see ya.

Yashmak Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:20:49pm

I know this is a serious topic and all. . .

but when I read the title, I couldn't get past "Bear Rapists".

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:21:39pm

re: #64 pharmmajor

Well that's based on the idea that a person's tax dollars shouldn't be used to fund something he or she is personally opposed to instead of outlawing the practice.

And are you saying the federal government should be involved in this matter?

I'm opposed to most wars. Will the Libertarians give me my money back and say that people who wanted to invade Iraq should have used their private War Insurance?

Obdicut Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:22:52pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

I think prison sentences have a net negative effect for most crimes, and the conditions in them are grossly immoral. Can I get my money back for all those prisons? Shit, I'm gonna be rich!

sagehen Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:23:27pm

re: #45 lostlakehiker

This position is a weighty reason to vote against the GOP, and in particular, against those 112 candidates. But since the position is entirely made of moonbeams and cannot be implemented in law, it's not necessarily the only consideration when it comes to voting.

'Cause the federal district courts and appeals courts and supreme court are so unrelentingly liberal that we should have no concern about judicial nominees?

Obama's done a pretty good job getting legislative victories in spite of the obstruction, but he's waaaaayyy behind average on filling judicial vacancies. There's a *lot* of vacancies, and it takes a cloture vote to even get them considered. Obama didn't want to go to battle for lower-level judges, the two Supremes were the only ones he thought it was worth the effort.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:24:05pm

re: #78 Yashmak

I know this is a serious topic and all. . .

but when I read the title, I couldn't get past "Bear Rapists".

I once saw a video showing what happens when a wolf tries to mount a lady wolf who's not in heat.

He gets his nose bit, is what happens, and he knocks that right off.

shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:24:32pm

Truth is, everybody who runs on a party line gets stuck with platform planks s/he does not believe in. As a candidate, the trick is to choose which fights you really want to fight with party leadership, and then take a stand. Maybe some of the candidates who run as strongly anti-choice really have different personal beliefs. My issue is that they did not make a stand on issues I feel strongly about, and chose the (current) path of least GOP resistance.

Everybody running wants the job, and most will say and do whatever it takes to get their mouths firmly attached to the taxpayer teat. You have to be a bloody psychologist to figure out who will do even the semblance of a reasonable job representing the voters.

shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:26:24pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

I once saw a video showing what happens when a wolf tries to mount a lady wolf who's not in heat.

He gets his nose bit, is what happens, and he knocks that right off.

This thread is heading down a slippery slope. And it ends in hellfire and brimstone, if you know what I mean....

Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:26:31pm

Some more video editing with nuance....
Rand Paul Freaks Out Old People In New Conway Spot (VIDEO)

Youtube Video

Obdicut Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:27:45pm

I think the GOP is hitting the abortion issue so hard because they realize that opinions on it haven't moved the way that they have on gay sex. I think they overestimate how solid those positions are, though, and how much they reflect what people want the government to actually forbid.

Stanghazi Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:29:26pm

Speaking of the courts and fundie causes

A US appeals court ruled Tuesday that federal funding of stem cell research can continue, dissolving a lower court's ban while the government and activists fight over whether the funding is legal.

[Link: www.newser.com...]

darthstar Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:29:37pm

This is fuckin' great news if it turns out to be true...

KABUL (AFP) – The commander of NATO troops in Afghanistan said Tuesday that the Taliban are approaching the Afghan government and foreign forces about laying down arms after almost nine years of insurgency.

US General David Petraeus, who commands more than 150,000 NATO and US troops in Afghanistan, said many small insurgent groups had already made "overtures" to NATO forces about quitting the fight.

"There have already been 20 or so overtures from small groups around the country," he told AFP,

shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:30:05pm

re: #86 Obdicut

I think the GOP is hitting the abortion issue so hard because they realize that opinions on it haven't moved the way that they have on gay sex. I think they overestimate how solid those positions are, though, and how much they reflect what people want the government to actually forbid.

Concur, in part. But by letting the freakazoids go so far off the economic and policy message, they are running a real risk of alienating people with real problems they want solved.

shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:30:55pm

re: #88 darthstar

This is fuckin' great news if it turns out to be true...

It's a trap. Iranian foreign policy "lite".

albusteve Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:31:12pm

re: #88 darthstar

This is fuckin' great news if it turns out to be true...

it's worth a fortune for them at this point...in the future they will resume their bloodlust....bet me

Vambo Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:31:54pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Some more video editing with nuance...
Rand Paul Freaks Out Old People In New Conway Spot (VIDEO)

[Video]

Am I wrong, or is this actually NOT taken out of context? He simply says he wouldn't "try selling that in election". But it is, according to Paul, "the real answer".

Hmmm.

shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:31:58pm

re: #91 albusteve

Beat you by 17 seconds lol.

shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:33:14pm

re: #92 Vambo

Am I wrong, or is this actually NOT taken out of context? He simply says he wouldn't "try selling that in election". But it is, according to Paul, "the real answer".

Hmmm.

Any excerpts or soundbites deployed in political advertising are immediately and irretrievably suspect. I am going to climb into my political ad foxhole until election day.

darthstar Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:34:11pm

re: #90 imp_62

It's a trap. Iranian foreign policy "lite".

re: #91 albusteve

it's worth a fortune for them at this point...in the future they will resume their bloodlust...bet me

Hey, I'm all for fewer Americans getting killed overseas. I'll take a cease-fire over continued IED attacks. It doesn't mean Petraeus wants to have Americans lay down their arms too. Cautious optimism isn't a bad thing.

brownbagj Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:35:25pm

re: #72 Gus 802

That is so, so ugly and inhumane. I truly weep when I read things like this. I think of my family and just do not understand how humans can be so cruel.

God help us all. Humanity really sucks sometimes.

shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:37:44pm

re: #95 darthstar

re: #91 albusteve

Hey, I'm all for fewer Americans getting killed overseas. I'll take a cease-fire over continued IED attacks. It doesn't mean Petraeus wants to have Americans lay down their arms too. Cautious optimism isn't a bad thing.

Thing is, everybody in that country wants the US out - including Karzai (US attention is seriously cramping his family's efforts to loot the country). If we need to control the country to combat al-Qaeda, then we are pursuing the wrong strategy by calling a "surge", to be followed by "withdrawal" to be followed by "Afghans and al-Qaeda doing whatever the fuck they want while plundering the natural resources".

albusteve Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:37:56pm

re: #95 darthstar

re: #91 albusteve

Hey, I'm all for fewer Americans getting killed overseas. I'll take a cease-fire over continued IED attacks. It doesn't mean Petraeus wants to have Americans lay down their arms too. Cautious optimism isn't a bad thing.

I'm finished with Astan...they were going to show us the beef this summer and choked....bring them home and to hell with all the rest....cutting deals is an insult...kill the fuckers instead or cut out and drone the shit out of anythiung that moves...we have lost the initiative, do not control the pace of events, and have no plan for victory on the ground....he's dead Jim

austin_blue Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:38:34pm

Evening, Lizardi!

Speaking of fun GOP candidates, this li'l OpEd is "a keeper". unlike the video of "Miss France":

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:38:44pm

re: #92 Vambo

Am I wrong, or is this actually NOT taken out of context? He simply says he wouldn't "try selling that in election". But it is, according to Paul, "the real answer".

Hmmm.

It could go either way. He's not really campaigning with that solution because he knows it's poison. I think any solution to medicare is probably going to be unpopular. His has the bonus of being stupid and unpopular.

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wrenchwench Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:39:16pm

re: #83 imp_62

Truth is, everybody who runs on a party line gets stuck with platform planks s/he does not believe in. As a candidate, the trick is to choose which fights you really want to fight with party leadership, and then take a stand. Maybe some of the candidates who run as strongly anti-choice really have different personal beliefs. My issue is that they did not make a stand on issues I feel strongly about, and chose the (current) path of least GOP resistance.

Everybody running wants the job, and most will say and do whatever it takes to get their mouths firmly attached to the taxpayer teat. You have to be a bloody psychologist to figure out who will do even the semblance of a reasonable job representing the voters.

OK, that definitely qualifies under the provisions of Comment #22.

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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:39:20pm

re: #98 albusteve

How are you doing? Any better?

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Vambo Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:39:28pm

re: #94 imp_62

Any excerpts or soundbites deployed in political advertising are immediately and irretrievably suspect. I am going to climb into my political ad foxhole until election day.

I think all politicals ads like this are shitty - Rand Paul is giving an honest opinion, and his opponent sensationalizes it in a 2-second soundbyte. I hate Rand Paul, but shit like this is what makes candidates run on the platforms of "Ground Zero Mosque" and "Obamacare" - they're afraid to tell people what they would actually do if they got the job, so they talk about meaningless crap.

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albusteve Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:40:02pm

re: #97 imp_62

Thing is, everybody in that country wants the US out - including Karzai (US attention is seriously cramping his family's efforts to loot the country). If we need to control the country to combat al-Qaeda, then we are pursuing the wrong strategy by calling a "surge", to be followed by "withdrawal" to be followed by "Afghans and al-Qaeda doing whatever the fuck they want while plundering the natural resources".

AQ in Astan is less of a threat to me than the cholos in ABQ's south valley...very poor long range planning

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darthstar Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:40:57pm

re: #98 albusteve

I'm finished with Astan...they were going to show us the beef this summer and choked...bring them home and to hell with all the rest...cutting deals is an insult...kill the fuckers instead or cut out and drone the shit out of anythiung that moves...we have lost the initiative, do not control the pace of events, and have no plan for victory on the ground...he's dead Jim

Killing the fuckers never works. You end up losing a lot of your own fuckers (even though, to you, they're not fuckers, but that's how the other fuckers see the fuckers). It's easy to be macho on the internet, especially when you don't have to face the risk.

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shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:40:58pm

re: #101 wrenchwench

OK, that definitely qualifies under the provisions of Comment #22.

Not really -- my point applies to all pols. And there are people who most definitely do mean the crazy shit they say. My problem is that I don't know who to hate more: the truly defective, or the fellow travelers.

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shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:42:24pm

re: #104 albusteve

AQ in Astan is less of a threat to me than the cholos in ABQ's south valley...very poor long range planning

Ummm - or you referring to Albuquerque International Airport? Cuz, brother I am LOST O_o

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albusteve Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:42:58pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

How are you doing? Any better?

better in a measurable way...results!
I feel pretty good more than half the time....pain is under control finally and my appetite is coming around, a perfect time to fine tune my eating habits

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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:43:10pm

re: #60 BigPapa

thats why they are atheists....lol

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Stanghazi Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:43:44pm

re: #99 austin_blue

Evening, Lizardi!

Speaking of fun GOP candidates, this li'l OpEd is "a keeper". unlike the video of "Miss France":

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Excellent op/ed from Bob Herbert.

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brownbagj Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:44:23pm

re: #108 albusteve

Great to hear. Keep on keepin' on.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:44:28pm

re: #99 austin_blue

Just a quick drive by
(((well ,,, more like leaving the thread up on this puter while I do work on another one)))

Shoot me an e-mail if you care too My nics in blue.

Gotta couple of things to touch base with you

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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:44:47pm

re: #6 Vambo

Another wedge issue... but hey, I'm sure these Repubs have tons of great, viable ideas to help fix the economy and create jobs, they're just not talking about them.//

Yup. Just believe in the invisible hand.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:44:55pm

re: #108 albusteve

better in a measurable way...results!
I feel pretty good more than half the time...pain is under control finally and my appetite is coming around, a perfect time to fine tune my eating habits

STEVE!!!

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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:45:13pm

re: #108 albusteve

better in a measurable way...results!
I feel pretty good more than half the time...pain is under control finally and my appetite is coming around, a perfect time to fine tune my eating habits

Good to hear.
:)

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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:45:23pm

re: #108 albusteve

better in a measurable way...results!
I feel pretty good more than half the time...pain is under control finally and my appetite is coming around, a perfect time to fine tune my eating habits

Good to hear!

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albusteve Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:45:51pm

re: #105 darthstar

Killing the fuckers never works. You end up losing a lot of your own fuckers (even though, to you, they're not fuckers, but that's how the other fuckers see the fuckers). It's easy to be macho on the internet, especially when you don't have to face the risk.

I just think the Taliban are over our heads at this point...NATO has not shown a cohesive commitment to "kill them all", or defeat them....they are not going anywhere

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shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:46:19pm

re: #113 eclectic infidel

Yup. Just believe in the invisible hand.

Dude, their hands are not invisible. They are in your pocket.

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albusteve Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:46:33pm

re: #107 imp_62

Ummm - or you referring to Albuquerque International Airport? Cuz, brother I am LOST O_o

yes

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darthstar Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:46:58pm

re: #117 albusteve

I just think the Taliban are over our heads at this point...NATO has not shown a cohesive commitment to "kill them all", or defeat them...they are not going anywhere

Maybe...we really don't know the whole story though, so we've gotta take the word of Gen. Petraeus, et al...

By the way, good to see you around again. Cheers.

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:47:29pm

Welcome back steve! Glad to see you're back!

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shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:48:20pm

re: #117 albusteve

I just think the Taliban are over our heads at this point...NATO has not shown a cohesive commitment to "kill them all", or defeat them...they are not going anywhere

Taliban and al-Qaeda are not ethnic or national groups you can simply defeat. They represent religious, political and philosophical ideas with deep roots in that part of the world. Victory will not be measurable in a body count, if victory is attainable at all.

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darthstar Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:48:35pm

re: #118 imp_62

Dude, their hands are not invisible. They are in your pocket.

I had a boss whose favorite joke when we were driving in the bee truck was to say to the guy in the middle, "Do you believe the hand is quicker than the eye?" If the guy said "yes" he'd say, "Great, reach over here and give me a quick hand job and the other guy will never notice." then let out a Chris Matthews kind of laugh.

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shutdown Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:51:16pm

re: #123 darthstar

I had a boss whose favorite joke when we were driving in the bee truck was to say to the guy in the middle, "Do you believe the hand is quicker than the eye?" If the guy said "yes" he'd say, "Great, reach over here and give me a quick hand job and the other guy will never notice." then let out a Chris Matthews kind of laugh.

This boss never bothered attending those fancy sexual harassment seminars, did he - you know the ones taught by the hot female lawyers in short skirts and nice racks. (humor tag)

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Kragar Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:53:20pm

'Mumbai-style' terror attack on UK, France and Germany foiled

A plot to launch "commando-style" attacks on Britain, France, and Germany has been intercepted and foiled by drone attacks on militants based in Pakistan, security and intelligence sources said last night.

The plan for suicidal onslaughts similar to the 2008 atrocity in Mumbai – where 166 people were killed in a series of gun and grenade assaults – was disrupted after a combined operation involving US, UK, French and German intelligence agencies, officials said.

British security and intelligence sources, who have been concerned for some time about the possibility of a Mumbai-style attack in Europe, confirmed that they believed a plot was being hatched from Pakistan.

The increased rate of coordinated US drone raids along the border with Afghanistan is believed to be a response to intelligence gathered about the plot. Security sources insisted that attacks in Europe were not imminent.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:53:37pm

re: #123 darthstar

I had a boss whose favorite joke when we were driving in the bee truck was to say to the guy in the middle, "Do you believe the hand is quicker than the eye?" If the guy said "yes" he'd say, "Great, reach over here and give me a quick hand job and the other guy will never notice." then let out a Chris Matthews kind of laugh.

Our favorite gag was to have one (unsuspecting) guy sit in the middle and while driving down the street the one in the passenger seat would bend below the dash (like I was trying to find something on the floor) From outside all you could see was two guys sitting REAL close to each other

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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:53:40pm

re: #60 BigPapa

Agnostics and Atheists know more about religion than believers poll finds.

Jews poll high as well. Guess who's down towards the bottom?

No surprise there. I've talked over and around JWs for the fun of it (sometimes) but besides that I've had to on more than a few occasions, defend my stance of disbelief to someone who just didn't get it. That said though, and with exception of online discussion, I really haven't had to defend being an atheist to anyone religious in a long time.

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darthstar Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:54:26pm

re: #124 imp_62

This boss never bothered attending those fancy sexual harassment seminars, did he - you know the ones taught by the hot female lawyers in short skirts and nice racks. (humor tag)

This was a small beekeeping outfit in Northern California. We'd be driving through the country, go by a field of sheep, and he'd say, "Any of those look good to you? I'll pull over for five minutes if you want one."...loved jokes about fucking...pretty much an all male crew, though there were a few women we worked with, and they'd dish out the same kind of talk just as fast.

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CarleeCork Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:55:00pm

re: #127 eclectic infidel
YOU obviously don't live in Texas. ; )

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albusteve Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:55:38pm

rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated....
thanks to all for the concern

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darthstar Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:55:57pm

re: #126 sattv4u2

Our favorite gag was to have one (unsuspecting) guy sit in the middle and while driving down the street the one in the passenger seat would bend below the dash (like I was trying to find something on the floor) From outside all you could see was two guys sitting REAL close to each other

"riding bitch" was the term we used to use for it...but it was also where the real cowboy would sit, as he didn't have to drive, and he didn't have to get out and open every fuckin' gate. Yes, small town sexism...it seemed pretty harmless back then.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:56:52pm

re: #130 albusteve

rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated...
thanks to all for the concern

Thanks

I'll call the florist and cancel the arrangement!!

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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:57:53pm

re: #130 albusteve

you ain't getting your stuff back.....

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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Sep 28, 2010 4:59:05pm

re: #51 Lidane

This was the story that I commented on when I was an early member of the Free Republic. I defended the family's actions and was promptly insulted and banned.

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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Sep 28, 2010 5:00:48pm

re: #129 CarleeCork

YOU obviously don't live in Texas. ; )

Them Texans don't like them atheists?

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b_sharp Tue, Sep 28, 2010 5:06:24pm

I must say, there have been quite a few highly intelligent comments on this thread. I'm impressed.

When I grow up, I want to be as smart as you people.

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b_sharp Tue, Sep 28, 2010 5:11:57pm

re: #134 eclectic infidel

This was the story that I commented on when I was an early member of the Free Republic. I defended the family's actions and was promptly insulted and banned.

Back in the good old days, I joined FR with the name Pan paniscus. I made the comment that gays may not be quite as bad as made out to be. I not only got banned, all of my posts were deleted. Pan paniscus just disappeared.

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wrenchwench Tue, Sep 28, 2010 5:18:37pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

Here's what I sent:

I got a reply:

Thank you for taking the time to write. I do respect your opinion.

_Woohoo.

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djkca Tue, Sep 28, 2010 7:34:48pm

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes. Republicans are pure evil.

And the Left, who consider abortion no more serious than trimming a hangnail, are examples of pure virtue.

I think I have it now. Thanks.

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Obdicut Tue, Sep 28, 2010 7:39:05pm

re: #139 djkca

This may help you:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 28, 2010 7:53:03pm

re: #139 djkca

Yes. Republicans are pure evil.

And the Left, who consider abortion no more serious than trimming a hangnail, are examples of pure virtue.

I think I have it now. Thanks.

Wow, butthurt much?

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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 28, 2010 8:00:04pm

re: #139 djkca

Yes. Republicans are pure evil.

And the Left, who consider abortion no more serious than trimming a hangnail, are examples of pure virtue.

I think I have it now. Thanks.

Yeah the left considers abortion to be akin to trimming a hangnail. Seriously man. I actually disagree with the left on abortion but that's just not true and no one here has said that. Their problem is with candidates like Sharron Angle who give the life makes you lemons make lemonaide analogy to raped teenage girls and with candidates who oppose abortion in all instances but if you suggest we help poor, young, and unwed mothers they scream about socialism.

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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 28, 2010 8:16:57pm

Image: sleeper.jpg

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Randall Gross Tue, Sep 28, 2010 8:38:00pm

re: #143 Charles

My first guess was "DJ Konservo sock"

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usufruct Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:30:50pm

Here in Arizona almost every single Republican running for statewide office holds this view, according to their responses to a conservative organization. In fact one candidate, Wendy Rogers, running for State Senate doesn't even believe that life of the mother should be an exception. These people are completely depraved.

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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:05:59pm

re: #34 Varek Raith

Whiskey.
Tango.
Foxtrot.

This is Bravo Sierra, over. Putting these people in charge of anything would be a Charlie Fox.

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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:12:31pm

re: #73 oaktree

But why does that theory apply just to this particular health care issue and is not being loudly pushed regarding all other aspects of government? Shouldn't Christian Scientists be allowed to not have their tax dollars used for medical care in general, pacifists deny their dollars to defense spending, and socialists money going to corporate welfare?

/(the examples at least)

Fine. We'll use the Christian Scientists' tax dollars for defense, pacifists' tax dollars for corporate welfare, and socialists' money for medical care. Everyone's happy then, right?

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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:22:24pm

re: #108 albusteve

better in a measurable way...results!
I feel pretty good more than half the time...pain is under control finally and my appetite is coming around, a perfect time to fine tune my eating habits

Great news, Steve. Hang in there!

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eachus Wed, Sep 29, 2010 7:06:35am

Did anyone else read the Republican National Coalition for Life PAC and do a little counting? There are about 70 who responded without reservations. Of the responses with reservations reported by far the most common reservations were 4a and 4d:

4. Thinks a mother should have the legal right to an abortion if her baby
a. was conceived through rape or incest;
d. may threaten the health of the mother.

Given that there are a substantial fraction of those candidates who responded, identified with this exception, on a poll which could gain them campaign money if they did not identify any exceptions, I'm pretty sure that a majority of the Republican candidates do favor that exception.

But all this only matters to stupid people. Unfortunately, there are a lot of them. Pregnancy prevention is safe, effective, and cheap today. Most doctors will recommend you choose and use two methods, but that is a detail.

Now we come to Plan B. Works just fine when used as directed, and does not cause an abortion, well unless you use a nut case definition. (It prevents fertilized eggs from implanting in the womb, which is not all that uncommon without Plan B.) Makes it an excellent choice of second method.

Now look at the philosophical issues. If you use Plan B, under normal circumstances, the woman won't know whether there is a fertilized egg traveling toward the uterus. More importantly, Plan B is usually used by women already using some form of birth control. Should using Plan B count as a potential abortion if the woman is using other birth control methods as well? Could the government require that a woman use a pregnancy test before using Plan B? (Pretty stupid, there is only a short window where the test will be accurate before Plan B becomes ineffective.)

So the only reasonable position on early termination of (potential) pregnancies is that it is between a woman and her doctor, and any attempt by governments to butt in is futile. Oops! Forgot that Obama wants to have all doctors working for the government. But that needs to be fixed for a thousand other reasons as well.

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eachus Wed, Sep 29, 2010 7:15:28am

re: #145 usufruct

In fact one candidate, Wendy Rogers, running for State Senate doesn't even believe that life of the mother should be an exception. These people are completely depraved.

I agree. Performing abortions on dead, undead, or zombie mothers can cause nothing but trouble and higher medical bills. (Couldn't resist. ;-)

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Ming Wed, Sep 29, 2010 1:01:33pm

It will take massive government spending to enforce the criminalization of abortion in the case of rape. But not to worry about the increase in government spending, because the Tea Party has a solution: cut taxes!

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edmigper Wed, Sep 29, 2010 6:58:44pm

It's really not surprising at all it's come to this. It's the result of years of pushing away the moderate base, forcing them to become independent conservative-leaners and exciting the far-right base that's always been there for them. The bad thing is these independent conservative-leaning voters will almost all be safe bets to vote for these radicals simply because the Democrats have fudged things up so badly in fixing the economy (thanks to incompetence, a reluctant Federal Reserve, and GOP obstructionism) despite their reluctance to approve of these fake Christian fundamentalist morons.

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djkca Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:24:04am

re: #140 Obdicut

I can do without your help.

I am certainly not arguing an all or nothing position and I suspect most Republicans do not.

Many on the left, however, consider concerns about human life utterly irrelevant. And THAT is pure evil.

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Interesting Times Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:22:41am

re: #153 djkca

Many on the left, however, consider concerns about human life utterly irrelevant. And THAT is pure evil.

Like the people who would have condemned this 9-year-old incest victim to her death?

Oh...wait...they were "pro-lifers".

Hypocritical dead thread troll is hypocritical.

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