What Right Wing Extremist Violence?

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This incident took place a few days ago, but in case you missed it, another deranged person spouting anti-Muslim smears and threats against the President was arrested in East St. Louis and ordered to undergo a mental evaluation.

EAST ST. LOUIS • A federal judge on Thursday ordered the man accused of triggering an eight-hour standoff with federal agents and police Tuesday night to get a mental evaluation.

Roman Otto Conaway, 50, emerged from his Fairview Heights home with a hoax ‘suicide belt” after federal agents showed up at his home, charging documents claim.

Investigators say authorities went to speak to Conaway after he threatened to burn a Quran and threatened President Barack Obama on Facebook and in a call to someone “associated” with a local mosque.

After Conaway surrendered, he was arrested and charged in federal court in East St. Louis with making false threats to detonate an explosive device and threatening the president, charges that carry a potential penalty of five years in prison.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Sep 29, 2010 2:44:17pm

man, 2012 is going to be full of these guys, isn't it? :/

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Sep 29, 2010 2:47:24pm

re: #1 WindUpBird

For them, the mayans were right.

Kragar Wed, Sep 29, 2010 2:49:17pm

A hoax suicide belt sounds like a good way to get killed by a cop.

Major Tom Wed, Sep 29, 2010 2:50:12pm

I wonder about competency tests on people like that. By definition, what they did, was crazy, irrational, delusional, and psychotic, right?

Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 29, 2010 2:51:28pm

Where was his political persuasion discussed in that article? He sounds like a all around run of the mill nut.

palomino Wed, Sep 29, 2010 2:53:57pm

re: #1 WindUpBird

man, 2012 is going to be full of these guys, isn't it? :/

It's gonna be Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers and Saul Alinsky all over again. Even if the gop lost last time with that garbage, they won't let it go this time around.

All proof that Obama just "doesn't love America like the rest of us," as Palin said. And lots of other bullshit like that.

b_sharp Wed, Sep 29, 2010 2:53:57pm

re: #5 Walter L. Newton

Where was his political persuasion discussed in that article? He sounds like a all around run of the mill nut.

People like this are sick first and glom onto a prevalent meme later.

3eff Jeff Wed, Sep 29, 2010 2:54:48pm

re: #4 Major Tom

I wonder about competency tests on people like that. By definition, what they did, was crazy, irrational, delusional, and psychotic, right?

It's more about the ability to distinguish between right and wrong rather than pure self-control. I think the reasoning is about whether punishment has any value or if we need to treat the offender much more as a medical problem. Obviously, the guy is nuts, but is he capable of understanding that some actions are never acceptable?

Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 29, 2010 2:55:16pm

re: #7 b_sharp

People like this are sick first and glom onto a prevalent meme later.

What did that mean?

b_sharp Wed, Sep 29, 2010 2:57:47pm

re: #9 Walter L. Newton

What did that mean?

It meant the guy was mentally ill before he grabbed the idea that Obama is the political anti-christ and ran with it.

He's a nut.

Bubblehead II Wed, Sep 29, 2010 2:59:23pm

Google Map of Right Wing Violence in the United Stated

Gus Wed, Sep 29, 2010 3:03:22pm

Cause and effect. Now, where do the anti-Obama and anti-Islamic rhetoric and messaging originate from?

HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 29, 2010 3:04:10pm

re: #11 Bubblehead II

Google Map of Right Wing Violence in the United Stated

I looked in my own state. I remember Periello who represents the area of Charlottsville having his brother's address published and the cops finding the gas line messed with. I had no idea about the NRCC staffer who released the addresses' of Periello's staff. Seriously, that's fucked up in light of what happened earlier htis year.

Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 29, 2010 3:06:09pm

re: #12 Gus 802

Cause and effect. Now, where do the anti-Obama and anti-Islamic rhetoric and messaging originate from?

I hope someone has more evidence than cause and effect from a vague un-detailed 6 paragraph newspaper article if you're going to be judged on something.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Sep 29, 2010 3:14:18pm

re: #5 Walter L. Newton

Where was his political persuasion discussed in that article? He sounds like a all around run of the mill nut.

Investigators say authorities went to speak to Conaway after he threatened to burn a Quran and threatened President Barack Obama on Facebook and in a call to someone "associated" with a local mosque.

You don't see any connection between this guy and the rhetoric coming out of the GOP which feeds precisely into the things he's charged with? Just a TOTALLY AMAZIFYING COINCIDENCE WHEEEE

Gosh, it turns out when Republicans try to link all Muslims to terrorism and anti-American sentiment, occasionaly some wacko will actually listen!

Gus Wed, Sep 29, 2010 3:14:47pm

re: #14 Walter L. Newton

I hope someone has more evidence than cause and effect from a vague un-detailed 6 paragraph newspaper article if you're going to be judged on something.

I'm not trying to make any converts here. My point is that he was probably influenced by the current right wing extremist rhetoric. That is the only source of what seems to have influenced him. Here's more:

In the criminal complaint, Box alleged that on Tuesday afternoon, someone at a St. Louis-area mosque told the FBI a caller identifying himself as "Roman" threatened to burn a copy of the Quran and videotape it for distribution to three television stations. Searches of Conaway's house later found a new Quran on a barbecue grill above sticks and twigs, next to a gasoline can and matches, Box wrote.

In the criminal complaint, Box alleged that on Tuesday afternoon, someone at a St. Louis-area mosque told the FBI a caller identifying himself as "Roman" threatened to burn a copy of the Quran and videotape it for distribution to three television stations. Searches of Conaway's house later found a new Quran on a barbecue grill above sticks and twigs, next to a gasoline can and matches, Box wrote.

The caller also pledged to "start a war between Christians and Muslims," ''kill President Obama and other government officials to start a war," end the military conflict in Afghanistan and ensure North Korean leader Kim Jong Il would "have some pain and cry," Box wrote.

"I want to start an apocalypse," Box said the caller proclaimed.

Federal agents notified by the mosque about the threats traced the number on the mosque's caller ID to Conaway's home, where he emerged with the bulky belt he told agents were packed with explosives, according to Box.

Warning that he had Army experience with explosives, Conaway threatened to commit suicide and blow up the neighborhood as well as the agents negotiating with him, Box wrote. The neighborhood was evacuated.

The man's wife and son stayed with the unarmed Conaway but were not held against their will, FBI Special Agent Stu McArthur said. Shortly after he released the two, authorities honored their pledge to take him to a mental hospital rather than jail, Box wrote.

Conaway admitted to investigators that he made various statements alleged by the person at the mosque, though he denied threatening Obama, Box wrote. The agent also said Conaway confessed to wanting to burn the Quran "to incite conflict with Muslims."

Conaway cast himself as "anti-government" and, just hours before he called the mosque, was barred by a judge from having contact with his grandchildren, Box wrote.

"I humbly apologize for my actions," Box quoted Conaway as saying.

So yes. Ideologies aside, I think it's plainly obvious that he was not influenced by MSNBC.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Sep 29, 2010 3:15:46pm

re: #10 b_sharp

It meant the guy was mentally ill before he grabbed the idea that Obama is the political anti-christ and ran with it.

He's a nut.

A nut enabled by the GOP.

And more nuts sure to follow, because the GOP's idiotic rhetoric sounds pretty real to nuts all across America

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Sep 29, 2010 3:16:26pm

re: #16 Gus 802

No, he was totally influenced by ACORN and code pink oh and also Daily Kos, and holy shit Media Matters

Major Tom Wed, Sep 29, 2010 3:17:18pm

There is no direct connection short of an 'insider extreme' membership I am not aware of... that being said, People like Byron Williams, and his intended assault on the Tides Foundation, are a direct link to the Fox network, that one even specifically to Glenn Beck.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Sep 29, 2010 3:23:46pm

And this is what gay college students have to deal with, this pile of shit who walks like a man. Be great if th student president sued the christ out of him, I'd love to see an assistant AG embarrassed into the ground

He included a photoshopped picture of Armstrong with the word "resign" over his face, next to a rainbow flag with a swastika in the middle. You can see the picture here.

Since then, it seems, Shirvell has continued tracking Armstrong, reporting on the Facebook activity of he and his friends, and picketing outside of his parents' house with signs.

According to CNN, Armstrong is considering legal action.

I wish a dude would picket me like that, I'd make his life so very very unconfortable in the nicest gayest and most hilarious way possible. Show up with a whole gaggle of drag queens and just get reeeal close to this fucker, get some nice footage of that for the Youtubes

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Sep 29, 2010 3:26:34pm

re: #20 WindUpBird

Check out this assistant AG Andrew Shirvell's blog, he is full on screaming obsessed crazy, I love it

HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 29, 2010 3:32:28pm

re: #20 WindUpBird

And this is what gay college students have to deal with, this pile of shit who walks like a man. Be great if th student president sued the christ out of him, I'd love to see an assistant AG embarrassed into the ground

I wish a dude would picket me like that, I'd make his life so very very unconfortable in the nicest gayest and most hilarious way possible. Show up with a whole gaggle of drag queens and just get reeeal close to this fucker, get some nice footage of that for the Youtubes

"I don't have any hate in my body" he says as he photoshops swastikas and harasses someone. Seriously what the hell is wrong with this guy. This guy reminds me of my state's AG who also has a crazy fixation and vendetta against gay university students.

HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 29, 2010 3:35:58pm

re: #21 WindUpBird

Check out this assistant AG Andrew Shirvell's blog, he is full on screaming obsessed crazy, I love it

Man what a pathetic douchebag.

CarleeCork Wed, Sep 29, 2010 3:43:48pm

re: #1 WindUpBird

man, 2012 is going to be full of these guys, isn't it? :/

I fear it will only get worse if the elections don't go their way.

Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 29, 2010 3:50:02pm

Anti-government, anti-Muslim, ex-military, wants to start a religious war between Christians and Muslims ... I don't know, this doesn't seem to fit any particular profile.

_snort

Kragar Wed, Sep 29, 2010 3:54:04pm

re: #25 Charles

Anti-government, anti-Muslim, ex-military, wants to start a religious war between Christians and Muslims ... I don't know, this doesn't seem to fit any particular profile.

_snort

But nothing says if he watched MSNBC, CNN or Fox. How can we know who to blame?
/

Dr. Shalit Wed, Sep 29, 2010 4:13:16pm

FWIW -

According to Sha'aria - President Obama IS a MUSLIM and an Apostate as Well.

1. His Father Barack Obama, Sr. was a Muslim. Religion of offspring under sha'ariah IS PATRILINEAL - In short, according to the religion/din of the Father, as opposed to Jewish Law which is Matrilineal, the Religion/Din of the Mother.
2. FWIW - it is generally easier to determine who the Mother of a Child is, as SHE gave birth, the Father gave Sperm.
Bottom Line IS - DOES IT REALLY MATTER?

-S-

joest73 Wed, Sep 29, 2010 4:47:39pm

Credit goes to the Feds for finding this nut.

Bush also had his share of threats:
Man accused of threatening to kill Bush, blow up White House

Who could forget the"Death of a President" - Bush assassination scene.

Youtube Video

I remember all of the left-wing sites giggle-giggling at this "dream scene".
See Democraticunderground.com

May my Karma forgive me....

I would jump for joy.
I would leave work RIGHT NOW and go get stinking drunk.

I would take my wife out this weekend all weekend to a 4 star hotel and run up a $1000 room service bill.

What I WOULD NOT do is express one single hint of a tear regretting that this monster had been eradicated from the face of the earth. My only regret is that then he would never have to face a War Crimes tribunal at The Hague.

I am not a "God Fearing" man. I see that what we do here has consequences in the future, to our species and our habitat. Bush has set this back, possibly to the point that there is no recovery.

To Quote Zoubir Pasha when he spoke to General Gordon before he left for Khartoum:

"Get thee from my house. May ye die in the desert, alone and untended. May the sands drink thy blood, and vultures consume thy flesh."

b_sharp Wed, Sep 29, 2010 4:50:54pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

"I don't have any hate in my body" he says as he photoshops swastikas and harasses someone. Seriously what the hell is wrong with this guy. This guy reminds me of my state's AG who also has a crazy fixation and vendetta against gay university students.

That much obsession does not indicate a healthy mind.

CuriousLurker Wed, Sep 29, 2010 4:57:58pm

re: #27 Dr. Shalit

According to Sha'aria - President Obama IS a MUSLIM and an Apostate as Well.

1. His Father Barack Obama, Sr. was a Muslim. Religion of offspring under sha'ariah IS PATRILINEAL - In short, according to the religion/din of the Father, as opposed to Jewish Law which is Matrilineal, the Religion/Din of the Mother.

According to sharia? Please cite your Islamic sources for this (Qur'an, exegesis by widely recognized scholars, hadith, etc.).

b_sharp Wed, Sep 29, 2010 5:04:25pm

re: #30 CuriousLurker

According to sharia? Please cite your Islamic sources for this (Qur'an, exegesis by widely recognized scholars, hadith, etc.).

Don't hold your breath.

The crickets are on their way.

Stanghazi Wed, Sep 29, 2010 5:12:06pm

re: #31 b_sharp

re: #30 CuriousLurker

The Dr. is pretty predictable. Just read his previous comments. (or not CL, keep your sanity)

Good on calling it out, but I doubt he'll provide something legit.

CuriousLurker Wed, Sep 29, 2010 5:20:58pm

re: #31 b_sharp

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CuriousLurker Wed, Sep 29, 2010 5:24:59pm

re: #32 Stanley Sea

Yeah, I responded against my better judgment as I've read his posts before. I couldn't help myself this time.

Stanghazi Wed, Sep 29, 2010 5:28:00pm

re: #34 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I responded against my better judgment as I've read his posts before. I couldn't help myself this time.

Oh no, it was perfectly correct for you to respond, since he talks out of his ass.

'scuse my crudeness, it comes out when faced with bigotry.

b_sharp Wed, Sep 29, 2010 5:30:44pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

Oh no, it was perfectly correct for you to respond, since he talks out of his ass.

I was wondering where that smell came from.

sergeant major Wed, Sep 29, 2010 5:45:02pm

re: #15 WindUpBird

I guess Rap and Rock are to blame for the treatment of women and murder.
Fucking crazy is crazy... I have never heard anyone on the left say or do anything that would be considered crazy./////////////////////////

Romantic Heretic Wed, Sep 29, 2010 5:48:12pm

re: #24 CarleeCork

I fear it will only get worse if the elections don't go their way.

Moi aussi.

dragonfire1981 Wed, Sep 29, 2010 8:47:11pm

Any chance we can get Glenn Beck arrested as an accessory?

Ojoe Wed, Sep 29, 2010 9:04:03pm

Newsflash - man freezes Quran! "This book left me cold, he said. It was an absolute zero. So I froze it. It will be preserved without any change forever, and that should make some people happy I guess."

"Perhaps this will catch on like wildfire, but I doubt it," he said.

notonanyday Thu, Sep 30, 2010 2:18:59am

"The father had tried years before to raise money to arm a militia, but the men he approached turned him down, prosecutors said.

"But it was Barack Obama's presidential win in November 2008 that finally drove the father and son to put one of their ideas into motion. . ."

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