What Right Wing Extremist Violence?

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A father and son are now on trial in Oregon for murder in the bombing of a bank, in a bizarre scheme to build a private militia in response to the election of Barack Obama.

SALEM — Bruce Turnidge was so fervent about protecting his right to have guns that he once sought to build and supply his own private militia, prosecutors said. His son, Joshua Turnidge, disdained police officers, calling them thieves and believing them all to be corrupt.

The two talked of bank robbery plots over the years no less than 50 times, a friend told prosecutors. The father had tried years before to raise money to arm a militia, but the men he approached turned him down, prosecutors said.

But it was Barack Obama’s presidential win in November 2008 that finally drove the father and son to put one of their ideas into motion, Marion County Deputy District Attorney Katie Suver said Wednesday. They feared Obama’s election would mean more gun restrictions, she said.

An employee at the Turnidges’ biodiesel business recalled that Joshua Turnidge was “practically frantic” after the election about getting cash to reclaim his pawned guns as soon as he could, Suver said.

Then on Dec. 12, 2008, she said, the Turnidges planted a bomb outside the West Coast Bank in Woodburn. It ended up exploding inside the bank, killing two police officers, critically injuring a third and wounding a bank employee.

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39 comments
1 efuseakay  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:32:43am

You know what they will say… “But Muslims…”

2 Kragar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:33:25am

Because we all know that your local public servants are all mindless servitor drones to Obama.

What a pair of morons.

3 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:34:48am
An employee at the Turnidges’ biodiesel business recalled that Joshua Turnidge was “practically frantic” after the election about getting cash to reclaim his pawned guns as soon as he could, Suver said.

These yahoo’s ran a bio-diesel business and that was one of the things Obama was touting. If they had just waited long enough to start receiving their government subsidies they would have had enough money to raise a militia to end the government giving them said subsidies.

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4 Kragar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:38:12am

You know, its been over 18 months, and Congress is about to let out for the midterm elections. Obama had better get on that gun grab and restricting weapon ownership soon or he’s going to miss his chance.
/

5 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:39:01am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You know, its been over 18 months, and Congress is about to let out for the midterm elections. Obama had better get on that gun grab and restricting weapon ownership soon or he’s going to miss his chance.
/

//Yeah the natives are clearly getting restless….

6 dragonfire1981  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:41:06am

It will get worse before it gets better folks. There’s more of these kind out there now than ever before.

7 shutdown  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:41:08am

Am I alone in finding myself, for the first time, actually afraid of the current political environment? There seems to be an unprecedented willingness to commit and condone violence. The polite veneer of politics has been scraped off by the likes of Paladino. Campaigning has progressed from being a boxing match to ultimate fighting to a back alley bar room brawl. I have stopped voicing my opinion in social gatherings for fear of having to engage in fisticuffs.

I am bout ready to take my chances in a country without a political culture of extreme confrontation and high stakes pork.

8 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:45:48am

re: #3 Dreggas

I’m sure they would have conservative principles about refusing a government subsidy for their business.
And if those principles didn’t benefit them, they would find they have others.

9 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:46:35am

I guess with low/ or no morals I could have saved my self several thousand dollars building my little collection!
//
….NO ! I”M NOT A GUN NUT!!

10 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:47:23am

re: #7 imp_62

Good luck finding that country!!

11 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:49:06am

I realize nuts and weirdos can live anywhere, but Woodburn is an odd town. I had a job that had me visiting a few towns in Oregon repeatedly, and Woodburn was the oddest.

12 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:49:10am

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because we all know that your local public servants are all mindless servitor drones to Obama.

What a pair of morons.

It will be much more obvious when Obama slips them the secret Moose-lim enslaving potion devised by his traitorous evolution-loving mad scientists and they all turn into orcs.

///

13 Batman  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:49:10am

Why can’t just once some nut get violent over the government possibly taking away our Gummi Bears. What is it about guns?

14 shutdown  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:51:17am

re: #13 nonsense

Why can’t just once some nut get violent over the government possibly taking away our Gummi Bears. What is it about guns?

Hold. On. Buster.
Husein Obama is going to take away my Gummi Bears???? He can try to pry them out of my cold, dead, HCR financed fillings.

15 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:51:25am

re: #13 nonsense

Why can’t just once some nut get violent over the government possibly taking away our Gummi Bears. What is it about guns?

Because guns are bloodless and clean* killing machines whereas knife fights are bloody.

*- If all you watched were 50s westerns. Sam Peckinpah need not apply.

16 shutdown  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:52:38am

OT but funny
[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com…]

17 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:53:13am

We need a modern day penal colony where we can ship all these loons off to armed with nothing more than potable water and surplus c-ratoions and let them start their own “society”

18 shutdown  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:53:50am

re: #17 sattv4u2

We need a modern day penal colony where we can ship all these loons off to armed with nothing more than potable water and surplus c-ratoions and let them start their own “society”

Kentucky?

19 abbyadams  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:53:58am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thank you!!! We have ads for gun shows around here still screaming, “GET THEM BEFORE THEY’RE ILLEGAL.”

What exactly is the shelf life for the “Aaaahhhh liberals a comin’ for your guns” meme?

20 Kragar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:54:16am

re: #15 oaktree

Because guns are bloodless and clean* killing machines whereas knife fights are bloody.

*- If all you watched were 50s westerns. Sam Peckinpah need not apply.

“I think knives are a good idea. Big, fuck-off shiny ones. Ones that look like they could skin a crocodile. Knives are good, because they don’t make any noise, and the less noise they make, the more likely we are to use them. Shit ‘em right up. Makes it look like we’re serious. Guns for show, knives for a pro.”

21 Kragar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:54:41am

re: #19 abbyadams

Thank you!!! We have ads for gun shows around here still screaming, “GET THEM BEFORE THEY’RE ILLEGAL.”

What exactly is the shelf life for the “Aaaahhh liberals a comin’ for your guns” meme?

Apocalypse +1

22 shutdown  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:54:56am

re: #19 abbyadams

Thank you!!! We have ads for gun shows around here still screaming, “GET THEM BEFORE THEY’RE ILLEGAL.”

What exactly is the shelf life for the “Aaaahhh liberals a comin’ for your guns” meme?

Lives in being plus 21 years

23 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:56:25am

re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“I think knives are a good idea. Big, fuck-off shiny ones. Ones that look like they could skin a crocodile. Knives are good, because they don’t make any noise, and the less noise they make, the more likely we are to use them. Shit ‘em right up. Makes it look like we’re serious. Guns for show, knives for a pro.”

Had to look up that quote. Never seen the movie, guess I might have to.

24 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:57:45am

re: #17 sattv4u2

We need a modern day penal colony where we can ship all these loons off to armed with nothing more than potable water and surplus c-ratoions and let them start their own “society”

Maybe a lovely island in the Pacific:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

25 Kragar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:58:10am

re: #23 oaktree

Had to look up that quote. Never seen the movie, guess I might have to.

Its a great one.

Mickey: It’s me bren gun.
Dog: Couldn’t you have thought of something more practical?

26 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:00:19am

re: #24 jaunte

Maybe a lovely island in the Pacific:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

I like it!!
7 x 4 miles?
PERFECT!!

27 Kragar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:02:56am

There is water falling from the sky in San Diego. It is perplexing.

28 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:08:23am

re: #7 imp_62

Am I alone in finding myself, for the first time, actually afraid of the current political environment? There seems to be an unprecedented willingness to commit and condone violence. The polite veneer of politics has been scraped off by the likes of Paladino. Campaigning has progressed from being a boxing match to ultimate fighting to a back alley bar room brawl. I have stopped voicing my opinion in social gatherings for fear of having to engage in fisticuffs.

I am bout ready to take my chances in a country without a political culture of extreme confrontation and high stakes pork.

Politics is not really very different these days. There are always a couple of colourful sorts in politics who are criminals, insane, both, or worse. Some even get elected (see Paul, Ron). This is the same in every country. In Australia, up till a month ago, we had famous sorts such as Wilson ‘Ironbar’ Tuckey who represented his district for thirty years despite beating an immobilised black man with a length of metal. And Australian politics is, by and large, much more civilised, rational, and moderate than here. It takes all sorts. But it hasn’t gotten worse. Remember that there used to have to be a reason that the left and right wings of Parliament were separated by a sword length.

What has gotten worse is the pervasiveness and power of the media. This has allowed demagogues much more access and control to the weak-willed, gullible, and stupid. It used to be that to effectively make a cult, you had to lock them away in a compound so you could brainwash them 24 hours a day. Now, stupid people with cultish personalities can turn on FOX. They can get online and be fed their Two Minute Hate any time of the day, all day, every day. That scares me much more than politics.

29 shutdown  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:11:16am

re: #28 Renaissance_Man


What has gotten worse is the pervasiveness and power of the media. This has allowed demagogues much more access and control to the weak-willed, gullible, and stupid. …

I believe you because you tell me too.

PS: Thanks though for the well-reasoned post.

30 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:45:15am

Why bother robbing banks with bombs when you have government sanctioned bank robbery? Just lie on a mortgage application, get 110% financing for a house, take out some home equity loans, and never pay it back! The government won’t even tax you on your forgiven debt, and in most states you don’t have to declare bankruptcy!

31 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 12:14:45pm

re: #13 nonsense

Why can’t just once some nut get violent over the government possibly taking away our Gummi Bears. What is it about guns?

Castration worries.

One of the silliest avatars I’ve ever seen on a forum had a picture of the guy with a MAC 10 in his hands along with pistols on each hip and under each arm. Every time I saw it I thought, “Jesus! Are you overcompensating.”

32 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 12:42:19pm

re: #7 imp_62

Am I alone in finding myself, for the first time, actually afraid of the current political environment? There seems to be an unprecedented willingness to commit and condone violence. The polite veneer of politics has been scraped off by the likes of Paladino. Campaigning has progressed from being a boxing match to ultimate fighting to a back alley bar room brawl. I have stopped voicing my opinion in social gatherings for fear of having to engage in fisticuffs.

I am bout ready to take my chances in a country without a political culture of extreme confrontation and high stakes pork.

When you have so right wing pundits calling liberals basically cockroaches everyday, this is what we get. Shit 15 years ago Limbaugh called Chelsea Clinton the “White House Dog”.

33 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 2:23:43pm

re: #1 efuseakay

You know what they will say… “But Muslims…”

And when we catch Muslims doing stuff like this, we lock their asses up too!

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 2:24:29pm

re: #9 reloadingisnotahobby

I guess with low/ or no morals I could have saved my self several thousand dollars building my little collection!
//
…NO ! I”M NOT A GUN NUT!!

Perhaps you’re just an HONEST gun nut.

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 2:28:52pm

re: #19 abbyadams

Thank you!!! We have ads for gun shows around here still screaming, “GET THEM BEFORE THEY’RE ILLEGAL.”

What exactly is the shelf life for the “Aaaahhh liberals a comin’ for your guns” meme?

Eternal. Really. It’s leftover shit from the early ’90s, and it will never, never die.

36 Steve Dutch  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:05:57pm

re: #7

Am I alone in finding myself, for the first time, actually afraid of the current political environment?

Nope. Not at all. I see ominous parallels with the 1948 election in South Africa. That’s the one where the yahoos voted in apartheid. Germany, 1932 is too scary to bring up.

Taxation is theft. Being on welfare is theft. If you really need money, do it the honest, moral, patriotic way. Rob a bank.

37 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:31:14pm

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist

Eternal. Really. It’s leftover shit from the early ’90s, and it will never, never die.

Early 1790’s.

38 ClaudeMonet  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 1:51:57am

re: #8 jaunte

I’m sure they would have conservative principles about refusing a government subsidy for their business.
And if those principles didn’t benefit them, they would find they have others.

Up-ding for the paraphrase of a classic Groucho line.

“These are my principles. If you don’t like them, I have others.” IIRC, it’s from A Day at the Races.

39 ClaudeMonet  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 1:54:01am

re: #18 imp_62

Kentucky?

No effin’ way. I live less than ten miles from Kentucky. NIMBY!!

How about the Altiplano? That’s far enough away.


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