Gov. Schwarzenegger Signs Marijuana Decriminalization Bill

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Here’s some major news from California, as Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signs a measure decriminalizing the devil weed.

(10-01) 16:49 PDT Sacramento — Citing the need to reduce spending on prosecution and courts, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a measure that makes marijuana possession an infraction, on par with traffic and littering tickets.

The Republican governor’s unexpected support for the measure comes one month before voters decide whether to legalize adult recreational use of marijuana in California.

“In this time of drastic budget cuts, prosecutors, defense attorneys, law enforcement and the courts cannot afford to expend limited resources prosecuting a crime that carries the same punishment as a traffic ticket,” wrote Schwarzenegger, who opposes Proposition 19, the marijuana initiative.

The law, which takes effect immediately, reduces possession of up to an ounce of marijuana - about the amount that will fit in a sandwich-size bag - from a misdemeanor to an infraction. Already, marijuana possession was the only misdemeanor under California law that didn’t allow for jail time.

But the measure by State Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, eliminates the need for police to book people caught with marijuana and for courts to hold jury trials on the matter. Those caught with the drug would not get a conviction of their criminal record.

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135 comments
1 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 6:51:33pm

Finally! This amounts to an endorsement of a sort of the upcoming vote to legalize entirely for adults.

2 austin_blue  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 6:52:20pm

Which will promptly get torpedoed in D.C.

3 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 6:53:37pm

re: #2 austin_blue

Not by this administration. Policy is lay off state law. Prosecute violators of state statutes with Federal law.

4 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 6:53:40pm

I'm not a fan of intoxicants, but as long people don't use them when they shouldn't, I'm not a prohibitionist when it comes to booze and pot. But I'll never like either thing.

5 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 6:54:54pm

That's a step, but only a step, toward getting the criminal elements, with their automatic weapons, out of the woods in the county where I live.

Making hemp legal, and controlling it, cannot come soon enough in my opinion.

6 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 6:54:59pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

Finally! This amounts to an endorsement of a sort of the upcoming vote to legalize entirely for adults.

It's going to be a really interesting vote.
I think Ca. could either see a huge wave of support for legalization, or a major backlash.

7 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 6:55:02pm

Cheech and Chong face a life without meaning.

8 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 6:55:33pm

Evening lizards!

Why didn't they pass laws like this when I was a young pot smoking fiend?

9 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 6:55:40pm

re: #7 Decatur Deb

Or a life, with legality!

10 jaunte  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 6:56:26pm

Some figures on the potential savings here:

At the end of 2007, 809 people were in California prisons for marijuana-related offenses. Not including inmates in county jails, California spent an estimated $39 million in 2007 to keep marijuana offenders locked up. That’s $49,000 a year, per inmate.
[Link: www.youngmoney.com...]
11 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 6:56:50pm

Good.

Of course, with the whacky tobaccky still illegal under Federal law, it remains to be seen whether or not such agencies will leave my state and its residents alone.

12 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 6:56:54pm

re: #6 Floral Giraffe

It's going to be a really interesting vote.
I think Ca. could either see a huge wave of support for legalization, or a major backlash.

Hi You! I'm now in Oklahoma...How are you?

13 austin_blue  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 6:58:42pm

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

Evening lizards!

Why didn't they pass laws like this when I was a young pot smoking fiend?

Because DuPont financed "Reefer Madness" soon after they invented Nylon?

Just sayin'...

14 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 6:59:26pm

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

They did, you just missed it!
/// ///

15 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 6:59:59pm

re: #14 Floral Giraffe

They did, you just missed it!
/// ///

I must have been too stoned to notice.

16 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:00:20pm

re: #5 Ojoe

That's a step, but only a step, toward getting the criminal elements, with their automatic weapons, out of the woods in the county where I live.

Making hemp legal, and controlling it, cannot come soon enough in my opinion.

The criminal elements need to be taken down in Mexico. However, in Mexico, that includes a lot of police, military, and politicians, as well as the cartels. Anything to cut into their revenue streams will help. We can't have a Somalia on our border, and that's where it seems to be headed.

Schwarzenegger did this to save money, he should come out in favor of Prop. 19 to save a lot more.

17 Stanghazi  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:00:22pm

I'm posting this comment from Andrew Sullivan, please click on the link in the post Gov. Arnold Schwarzenneger

Go Arnold!

This new law means that the more than 60,000 people who are arrested in California every year for small-time marijuana possession will no longer be arrested, given criminal records, or have to appear in court. Instead, they will receive a $100 fine similar to a parking citation. SB 1449 will also save California untold millions in reduced court costs.

Really, check out the link.

18 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:00:29pm

re: #12 HoosierHoops

Congratulations!
Miramar air show this weekend!
Hello sunburn!
How's the new place?
Besides the boxes?
LOL!

19 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:00:31pm

re: #5 Ojoe

That's a step, but only a step, toward getting the criminal elements, with their automatic weapons, out of the woods in the county where I live.

Making hemp legal, and controlling it, cannot come soon enough in my opinion.

That won't bring those scum out. They'll try to take control of the legal trade with guns, too.

20 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:01:36pm

re: #6 Floral Giraffe

It's going to be a really interesting vote.
I think Ca. could either see a huge wave of support for legalization, or a major backlash.

The vote will be close if the polls are right. And people do need to understand it will work like booze. Driving, working, running machinery is all disallowed just the same. It also bans smoking in public.

21 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:02:04pm

It seems to me cigarette smokers are not allowed to smoke hardly anywhere in California anymore. Is it the same for pot smokers or are they allowed to smoke freely?

22 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:02:06pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

A lot of the worst elements here in No. Cal. do come up from Mexico, sent up here by the Mexican Cartels.

It has been getting worse in recent years.

23 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:02:33pm

re: #21 NJDhockeyfan

It seems to me cigarette smokers are not allowed to smoke hardly anywhere in California anymore.

Well, that's wrong.

Is it the same for pot smokers or are they allowed to smoke freely?

Do you get that people will still get fined for smoking pot?

24 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:02:40pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

They can try but the mob lost control of booze and beer. This has a chance to work out well.

25 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:03:18pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

That won't bring those scum out. They'll try to take control of the legal trade with guns, too.

There will be a lot less money to be made if it's legal. There will be less incentive, with penalties still in place for that kind of growing.

26 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:03:27pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

There will be fewer criminals if hemp is legalized because the price of the stuff will crash to about 10% of what it is now.

27 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:03:43pm

re: #13 austin_blue

Because DuPont financed "Reefer Madness" soon after they invented Nylon?

Just sayin'...

[Link: www.drugwarrant.com...]

When Montana outlawed marijuana in 1927, the Butte Montana Standard reported a legislator’s comment: “When some beet field peon takes a few traces of this stuff… he thinks he has just been elected president of Mexico, so he starts out to execute all his political enemies.” In Texas, a senator said on the floor of the Senate: “All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff [marijuana] is what makes them crazy.”

Jazz and Assassins

In the eastern states, the “problem” was attributed to a combination of Latin Americans and black jazz musicians. Marijuana and jazz traveled from New Orleans to Chicago, and then to Harlem, where marijuana became an indispensable part of the music scene, even entering the language of the black hits of the time (Louis Armstrong’s “Muggles”, Cab Calloway’s “That Funny Reefer Man”, Fats Waller’s “Viper’s Drag”).

Again, racism was part of the charge against marijuana, as newspapers in 1934 editorialized: “Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men’s shadows and look at a white woman twice.”

Two other fear-tactic rumors started to spread: one, that Mexicans, Blacks and other foreigners were snaring white children with marijuana; and two, the story of the “assassins.” Early stories of Marco Polo had told of “hasheesh-eaters” or hashashin, from which derived the term “assassin.” In the original stories, these professional killers were given large doses of hashish and brought to the ruler’s garden (to give them a glimpse of the paradise that awaited them upon successful completion of their mission). Then, after the effects of the drug disappeared, the assassin would fulfill his ruler’s wishes with cool, calculating loyalty.

By the 1930s, the story had changed. Dr. A. E. Fossier wrote in the 1931 New Orleans Medical and Surgical Journal: “Under the influence of hashish those fanatics would madly rush at their enemies, and ruthlessly massacre every one within their grasp.” Within a very short time, marijuana started being linked to violent behavior.

I never "experimented" with marijuana. Rather, I was involved in full-scale research. The idea that marijuana has the capacity to create a violent mental state is about as accurate as saying that downing a fifth of Smirnoff turns the average person into a highly skilled neurosurgeon.

28 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:03:43pm

re: #22 Ojoe

A lot of the worst elements here in No. Cal. do come up from Mexico, sent up here by the Mexican Cartels.

It has been getting worse in recent years.

All over, man, all over.

29 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:04:12pm

re: #18 Floral Giraffe

Saw and old F4 Phantom over the valley tonight heading south , for Miramar I'm sure. Too far out for a snap darn it.

30 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:04:47pm

re: #25 wrenchwench

There will be a lot less money to be made if it's legal. There will be less incentive, with penalties still in place for that kind of growing.

That's the trick--keep the risk high and take the profit out. We Dems know how to wreck markets, right?

31 Stanghazi  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:04:48pm

re: #18 Floral Giraffe

Congratulations!
Miramar air show this weekend!
Hello sunburn!
How's the new place?
Besides the boxes?
LOL!

I saw the Blue Angels flying on my way home! Have a great time!

32 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:06:04pm

re: #23 Obdicut

Well, that's wrong.

Do you get that people will still get fined for smoking pot?

Ironic-Less than the $300 fine for smoking a cigarette in your very own private office. Of course laws are not coordinated, so you get oddities like this.

33 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:06:13pm

re: #28 wrenchwench

A Deputy recently shot one of a pair of those guys in the woods here when the guy pointed a firearm at the deputy. The other guy escaped & they don't know where he is right now. He could be walking down main street where I live.

34 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:06:33pm

re: #21 NJDhockeyfan

It seems to me cigarette smokers are not allowed to smoke hardly anywhere in California anymore. Is it the same for pot smokers or are they allowed to smoke freely?

A few daring souls smoke weed freely on the streets of Oakland and San Francisco. I've noticed the scent especially in China Town and North Beach in SF. As for Oakland, folk are more bold.

35 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:06:40pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

I saw the Blue Angels flying on my way home! Have a great time!

Psst...don't tell anyone...but i think the Gators are in trouble this weekend...

(how have you been?)

36 austin_blue  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:07:20pm

Actually DuPont didn't finance "Reefer Madness". That was a bunch of church ladies. They financed this:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Which is worse.

37 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:07:33pm

re: #33 Ojoe

And they couldn't identify the dead guy; hispanic & no id at all. Probably from Mexico.

That's how it is here.

38 SteveC  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:07:39pm

re: #12 HoosierHoops

Hi You! I'm now in Oklahoma...How are you?

*singing* Where the wind comes sweeping down the plain.....

39 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:07:43pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

I saw the Blue Angels flying on my way home! Have a great time!

I saw 6 military helicopters fly over my house today. My kids loved it.

40 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:08:02pm

re: #32 Rightwingconspirator

Ironic-Less than the $300 fine for smoking a cigarette in your very own private office. Of course laws are not coordinated, so you get oddities like this.

There is no California law that fines people for smoking in their own offices. Not if you have five or fewer employees and they all consent.

41 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:08:39pm

BBL...

I should get some work done.

42 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:08:55pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

That won't bring those scum out. They'll try to take control of the legal trade with guns, too.

Just like they do with liquor? Oh, wait..

One of the primary cash cows for the drug cartels that are currently turning Mexico into a bloody hell hole is ephedrine and pseudo-ephedrine. It's the 'banned' ingredient in methamphetamine, and they buy it legally by the ton from China and India.

43 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:10:05pm

It only took the implosion of the world economy.

44 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:11:08pm

re: #43 Amory Blaine

It only took the implosion of the world economy.

Money will trump morality every time. Almost every time.

45 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:11:21pm

re: #40 Obdicut

The fire department issues fines upon discovery of smoking in the shop. This happens when they come in to inspect for proper storage of materials etc. I know a couple guys who got snagged. Hill street downtown. Perhaps this happens because they do not hire lawyers to fight these fines. And if you lose your CUPA permit your are out of manufacturing.

46 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:12:04pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

[Link: www.miramarairshow.com...]

My baseball cap, sunscreen & walking shoes are ready to roll!
Hope it's not too hot...

47 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:12:25pm

re: #45 Rightwingconspirator

These are rented offices in 13 story buildings, not free standing private companies. If that matters.

48 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:12:37pm

re: #29 Rightwingconspirator

Saw and old F4 Phantom over the valley tonight heading south , for Miramar I'm sure. Too far out for a snap darn it.

Great old warbird, that's for sure.

49 Lidane  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:13:22pm

One state down, 49 to go.

50 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:14:28pm

re: #42 negativ

Just like they do with liquor? Oh, wait..

One of the primary cash cows for the drug cartels that are currently turning Mexico into a bloody hell hole is ephedrine and pseudo-ephedrine. It's the 'banned' ingredient in methamphetamine, and they buy it legally by the ton from China and India.

Well, meth is different. It truly is a destructive drug and is banned for good reason.

51 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:15:19pm

re: #45 Rightwingconspirator

I am really at a loss to what outrageous anyone about bans on smoking in the workplace.

I'm an ex-smoker. I would never, never, never have lit up my cigarette around co-workers. Incredibly fucking rude.

The California law applies to workplaces with five or more employees. No distinction is made between rented or owned property.

52 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:15:47pm

Brietbart Throws O'Keefe Under the bus...
O’Keefe Owes His Supporters an Explanation
Posted by Andrew Breitbart


From what I’ve read about this script, though not executed, it is patently gross and offensive. It’s not his detractors to whom he also owes this public airing. It’s to his legion of supporters.
53 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:16:02pm

re: #29 Rightwingconspirator

Saw and old F4 Phantom over the valley tonight heading south , for Miramar I'm sure. Too far out for a snap darn it.

Beauty! I thought they'd all gone the way of the Crusaders & Skyhawks. Wonder who's flying them?

54 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:16:07pm

re: #40 Obdicut

Found it!
[Link: lafd.org...]

55 Stanghazi  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:16:49pm

re: #35 Aceofwhat?

Psst...don't tell anyone...but i think the Gators are in trouble this weekend...

(how have you been?)

OH ACE, I'm going to die tomorrow either way. We are (my Gator buddies and I) trying to figure out if we want to stay home alone and watch (chickenshit) or face the world at the Gator bar.

you've been missed!!!

56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:16:55pm

Citing the need to reduce spending on prosecution and courts, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a measure that makes marijuana possession an infraction, on par with traffic and littering tickets increase revenue...

I really don't mind it...but let's be honest, Governor.

57 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:17:49pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

Well, meth is different. It truly is a destructive drug and is banned for good reason.

Right. I just thought it was an illustrative example because up until 2005, you could buy Sudafed without restriction. As soon as the feds put the clamp on it, drug lords started killing each other over it. Funny how that works.

58 SteveC  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:17:50pm

re: #42 negativ

...It's the 'banned' ingredient in methamphetamine, and they buy it legally by the ton from China and India.

Day-um!

59 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:17:55pm

re: #18 Floral Giraffe

Congratulations!
Miramar air show this weekend!
Hello sunburn!
How's the new place?
Besides the boxes?
LOL!

It's pretty cool..A few blocks to the OU Campus..A golf course across the street, A Cool Irish pub a mile away...And I'm ripping somebodies Wireless connection off until I get my own...

60 jamesfirecat  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:17:59pm

Oh look at the time, its 4:20....

61 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:18:35pm

re: #51 Obdicut

I have no outrage, I just found the irony of a higher fine for smoking cigs in the workplace than smoking pot. Again the link to enforcement. I did not pull that tale out of the air, its real.

[Link: lafd.org...]

62 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:18:51pm

re: #55 Stanley Sea

OH ACE, I'm going to die tomorrow either way. We are (my Gator buddies and I) trying to figure out if we want to stay home alone and watch (chickenshit) or face the world at the Gator bar.

you've been missed!!!

I hate to say it, my dear friend, but i'd stay home. I don't know how the Gators are going to score, especially without Demps. I really thought that Brantley would come in to the year with his hair on fire but the receivers just aren't working for him. I don't have a good feeling about this one...

63 Stanghazi  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:19:18pm

re: #46 Floral Giraffe

[Link: www.miramarairshow.com...]

My baseball cap, sunscreen & walking shoes are ready to roll!
Hope it's not too hot...

The weather this week was so bizarre. From Monday the hottest, to Thursday rain, tomorrow maybe rain? who the hell knows. Say hi to me as you drive by!

64 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:19:18pm

re: #54 Rightwingconspirator

Found it!
[Link: lafd.org...]

I'm well aware of the law, dude.

Look:

Since January 1, 1995, smoking has been banned in all enclosed workplaces in California, including restaurants and bars (bars were excluded until January 1, 1998), exempting only the following areas: workplaces with five or fewer employees (as long as all workers consent and persons under 18 are prohibited from the smoking area), 65% of the guest rooms of hotels/motels, lobby areas of hotels/motels designated for smoking (not to exceed 25% of the total lobby floor area or, if the lobby area is 2,000 square feet (190 m2) or less, not to exceed 50% of the total lobby floor area), meeting and banquet rooms except while food or beverage functions are taking place (including set-up, service, and clean-up activities or when the room is being used for exhibit activities), retail or wholesale tobacco shops and private smokers lounges (i.e. cigar bars), truck cabs/tractors if no nonsmoking employees are present, non-office warehouse facilities with more than 10,000 square feet (930 m2) of total floor space and 20 or fewer full-time employees working at the facility, theatrical production sites if smoking is an integral part of the story, medical research or treatment sites if smoking is integral to the research or treatment being conducted, private residences except homes licensed as family day care homes during the hours of operation and in those areas where children are present, patient smoking areas in long-term health care facilities, and employee breakrooms designated for smoking

65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:19:34pm

re: #59 HoosierHoops

It's pretty cool..A few blocks to the OU Campus..A golf course across the street, A Cool Irish pub a mile away...And I'm ripping somebodies Wireless connection off until I get my own...

Neighbornet!

66 jamesfirecat  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:19:59pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

I'm not a fan of intoxicants, but as long people don't use them when they shouldn't, I'm not a prohibitionist when it comes to booze and pot. But I'll never like either thing.

I know how you feel, I'm a "catnip smoking liberal" in that I don't have the money or the desire to experiment with such intoxicants, but I stand firmly behind other people's right to enjoy them in a legal manner.

67 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:20:57pm

Update, on my page entry about the amazing hate campaign being waged by Texas Tech students against private security guards. I happened to discuss my observations with a local ACLU official. He naturally sided with the students, saying that they were simply reacting to police brutality and using the guards as surrogates for their anger because they are vulnerable. If anything, that is even more despicable, since we essentially have the students unjustly abusing the innocent because, uh, they are allegedly angry at the unjust abuse of the innocent.
I think it is a lot more likely that these insanely hostile students are acting out part of their conformist mythology, attacking badges and uniforms because of something that happened not to them, but to some friend of a friend back in Addison or Spring or whatever hellhole suburb they come from.

I have made this a personal issue, not just because of the security guards but everyone in this city who is victimized by the out of control behavior of TTU's students. I have really never seen anything like it and I have lived in a number of college towns over the years, including Ithaca NY and Denton and Austin TX. Among other things, I have written to the chancellor, contacted my legislators, and resigned from the Tech alumni association. I am also going to try to involve the local media, though that is a tall order because they are composed largely of TTU boosters and profiteers with a vested interest.

As I mentioned on a later page, sports fans have known for years that TTU supporters were among the nastiest in captivity. Now, they and the rest of the world need to know that this disgusting behavior is not limited to the football stadium.
TTU students and parents need to know, too, since actions really do have consequences:

Yeah, it's certainly a waste of time to try shame these little douchebags into civility, everyone knows they have no shame. On the other hand, the widespread perception among would-be employers that TTU grads have the manners and ethics (and sometimes the hygiene) of a troop of baboons might be effective. In fact, Tech's reputation for mass douchebaggery is really starting to affect the bottom line or (chancellor) Hance would not have felt the need to intervene.
68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:21:10pm

re: #61 Rightwingconspirator

Smoking pot in the workplace?

69 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:21:22pm

re: #51 Obdicut

I am really at a loss to what outrageous anyone about bans on smoking in the workplace.

I'm an ex-smoker. I would never, never, never have lit up my cigarette around co-workers. Incredibly fucking rude.

The California law applies to workplaces with five or more employees. No distinction is made between rented or owned property.

There is actually a bar at which people can smoke openly in San Francisco. It's on Pine Street at Kearny called the Occidental Cigar Club. It's owner operated, with no employees. Occasionally I meet another fellow Zionist Conspirator there for scotch whiskey to plan our next enterprise regarding global dominance and such.

70 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:21:34pm
71 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:22:10pm

re: #60 jamesfirecat

Oh look at the time, its 4:20...

somewhere...

72 jamesfirecat  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:22:13pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

That won't bring those scum out. They'll try to take control of the legal trade with guns, too.

Makes it easier to target the bad guys if we can focus on the ones armed with guns rather than their customers...

73 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:22:32pm

re: #61 Rightwingconspirator

I have no outrage, I just found the irony of a higher fine for smoking cigs in the workplace than smoking pot. Again the link to enforcement. I did not pull that tale out of the air, its real.

[Link: lafd.org...]

You do know they'd fine them for both if they were smoking in the workplace, right?

I think a fine for smoking pot where you're not forcing co-workers to breathe in your smoke should be less than someone forcing coworkers to breath their cigarette smoke.

And dear god, I hate smokers who think it's okay to flick their butts on the ground.

74 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:22:35pm

re: #64 Obdicut

Perhaps the employers I mentioned are unaware and or did not secure permission. Or the FD takes the enforcement shortcut of issuing the ticket and letting the court or clerk sort it out. It happens. That's all I'm saying here, no biggie. I just put up the link to support my observation it happens.

75 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:23:21pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Brietbart Throws O'Keefe Under the bus...
O’Keefe Owes His Supporters an Explanation
Posted by Andrew Breitbart

I hate to say it, but that's a smart move. O'Keefe is clearly a liability. Of course, those who know Breitbart is a scumbag can tie him to O'Keefe's past and they should do so. Breitbart created O'Keefe, so he bears some blame here.

76 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:23:26pm

re: #69 eclectic infidel

There is actually a bar at which people can smoke openly in San Francisco. It's on Pine Street at Kearny called the Occidental Cigar Club. It's owner operated, with no employees. Occasionally I meet another fellow Zionist Conspirator there for scotch whiskey to plan our next enterprise regarding global dominance and such.

There used to be Amber, too, on 14th at Church Street. I used to hang out there-- when I was a smoker.

There are a couple of others, or were-- I haven't checked in awhile.

77 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:23:57pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Brietbart Throws O'Keefe Under the bus...
O’Keefe Owes His Supporters an Explanation
Posted by Andrew Breitbart

You extended my session by 15 mins. More tomorrow, I'm sure. 'Nite, all.

78 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:24:25pm

re: #73 Obdicut

Of course as they should. And boy oh boy do I agree on the butts! I am so sick of picking them out of our plants. I have berated neighbors by brand.

79 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:24:26pm

re: #74 Rightwingconspirator

Perhaps the employers I mentioned are unaware and or did not secure permission. Or the FD takes the enforcement shortcut of issuing the ticket and letting the court or clerk sort it out. It happens. That's all I'm saying here, no biggie. I just put up the link to support my observation it happens.

Or the city has more stringent laws than the State. Or any number of other explanations.

But the State law has a very reasonable exemption for five or fewer employees who all consent to smoking.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:24:51pm

re: #6 Floral Giraffe

It's going to be a really interesting vote.
I think Ca. could either see a huge wave of support for legalization, or a major backlash.

Yeah. I got no predictions there.

81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:25:02pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Sometimes, the stupid is so thick it can't be excused... by anyone.

82 jamesfirecat  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:25:13pm

re: #27 negativ

[Link: www.drugwarrant.com...]

I never "experimented" with marijuana. Rather, I was involved in full-scale research. The idea that marijuana has the capacity to create a violent mental state is about as accurate as saying that downing a fifth of Smirnoff turns the average person into a highly skilled neurosurgeon.

I know me just one thing mon, I never met me an angry pot smoker!

Robin Williams

83 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:26:06pm

re: #21 NJDhockeyfan

It seems to me cigarette smokers are not allowed to smoke hardly anywhere in California anymore.

What led to that impression?

84 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:26:29pm

re: #82 jamesfirecat

The why is the Jamaican mob one of the most hyperviolent?

Never understood that.

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:26:31pm

re: #21 NJDhockeyfan

It seems to me cigarette smokers are not allowed to smoke hardly anywhere in California anymore. Is it the same for pot smokers or are they allowed to smoke freely?

And the pot smokers in my building just go down to the carport.

86 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:27:03pm

re: #79 Obdicut

That's it, city ordinance. Heh, duh, I was on the jewelry mfg task force dealing with lots of agencies as a technical adviser just a few years ago. I should have realized you were talking state and I city. Oh well a drink to you on this fine Friday evening.

87 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:27:18pm

Dave's not here.

88 jamesfirecat  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:27:46pm

re: #84 Obdicut

The why is the Jamaican mob one of the most hyperviolent?

Never understood that.

Maybe they follow that rule about not experimenting with what you sell...

89 Stanghazi  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:27:55pm

re: #62 Aceofwhat?

I hate to say it, my dear friend, but i'd stay home. I don't know how the Gators are going to score, especially without Demps. I really thought that Brantley would come in to the year with his hair on fire but the receivers just aren't working for him. I don't have a good feeling about this one...

Demps is playing. Oh, and we have Trey Burton.

My hope? Urban has been playing it down for the last games. HAH

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:28:19pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

And the pot smokers in my building just go down to the carport.

Do you hide bags of Doritos around just for the hell of it?

91 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:30:45pm

re: #7 Decatur Deb

Cheech and Chong face a life without meaning.

is that like "life without parole"?.........

92 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:31:39pm

re: #89 Stanley Sea

Demps is playing. Oh, and we have Trey Burton.

My hope? Urban has been playing it down for the last games. HAH

Yeah, Trey Burton out of nowhere...that was a fun wrinkle. I'm also excited about Stanford and Oregon. Stanford has the blueprint for beating them, the question is whether they have the talent. Wisconsin-MSU will be good too, and Texas-Oklahoma...wow...Texas...yikes.

93 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:32:37pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

I'll wave from the freeway!
Lots of times, not sure where you are!
LOL!

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:32:46pm

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do you hide bags of Doritos around just for the hell of it?

Ah, they can buy their own.

It's a bunch of late-teen, early-twenties boys who hang out and do weed. Management does nothing. They're harmless. Nice boys. Always try to focus and say 'Good evening, ma'am' when I walk by.

95 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:33:25pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. I got no predictions there.

What, no crystal ball?
LOL!

96 Stanghazi  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:33:31pm

re: #92 Aceofwhat?

Yeah, Trey Burton out of nowhere...that was a fun wrinkle. I'm also excited about Stanford and Oregon. Stanford has the blueprint for beating them, the question is whether they have the talent. Wisconsin-MSU will be good too, and Texas-Oklahoma...wow...Texas...yikes.

See this is our debate every weekend. We have an awesome sports bar that dedicates a huge room to the Gator club. Benefits = watching all the other games before & after.

Waiting for the guys I watch with to decide. They are maybe more chickenshit than I!!!!!

97 Stanghazi  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:34:35pm

re: #93 Floral Giraffe

I'll wave from the freeway!
Lots of times, not sure where you are!
LOL!

On the 5? When you pass Oceanside. On the 15? When you pass Deer Valley!!!!

I'll be waiting for the vibe - I'll feel it.

98 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:34:59pm

re: #67 Shiplord Kirel

Update, on my page entry about the amazing hate campaign being waged by Texas Tech students against private security guards. I happened to discuss my observations with a local ACLU official. He naturally sided with the students, saying that they were simply reacting to police brutality and using the guards as surrogates for their anger because they are vulnerable. If anything, that is even more despicable, since we essentially have the students unjustly abusing the innocent because, uh, they are allegedly angry at the unjust abuse of the innocent.
I think it is a lot more likely that these insanely hostile students are acting out part of their conformist mythology, attacking badges and uniforms because of something that happened not to them, but to some friend of a friend back in Addison or Spring or whatever hellhole suburb they come from.

I have made this a personal issue, not just because of the security guards but everyone in this city who is victimized by the out of control behavior of TTU's students. I have really never seen anything like it and I have lived in a number of college towns over the years, including Ithaca NY and Denton and Austin TX. Among other things, I have written to the chancellor, contacted my legislators, and resigned from the Tech alumni association. I am also going to try to involve the local media, though that is a tall order because they are composed largely of TTU boosters and profiteers with a vested interest.

As I mentioned on a later page, sports fans have known for years that TTU supporters were among the nastiest in captivity. Now, they and the rest of the world need to know that this disgusting behavior is not limited to the football stadium.
TTU students and parents need to know, too, since actions really do have consequences:

I have to ask: What social and ethnic background are these students, and what background are the guards? Sorry to ask, but it might help me understand.

99 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:35:15pm

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

What led to that impression?

All states have banned smoking one way or another.

List of smoking bans in the United States

100 austin_blue  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:35:42pm

re: #29 Rightwingconspirator

Saw and old F4 Phantom over the valley tonight heading south , for Miramar I'm sure. Too far out for a snap darn it.

Maybe this one?

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]

I think they've got a couple left at Point Magu that aren't drones. That's 35' off the ground, by the way, the F-4 is 50' long.

101 BongCrodny  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:35:59pm

re: #66 jamesfirecat

I know how you feel, I'm a "catnip smoking liberal" in that I don't have the money or the desire to experiment with such intoxicants, but I stand firmly behind other people's right to enjoy them in a legal manner.

"Contact high liberal" would probably be a better term. :-)

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:38:07pm

Pepsico's gonna love this... they own Doritos!

103 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:38:45pm

re: #97 Stanley Sea

On the 5? When you pass Oceanside. On the 15? When you pass Deer Valley!!!

I'll be waiting for the vibe - I'll feel it.

It'll be the 5, I'm more coastal.
Though the 15 might be faster.
Still, I'm just there on Saturday & Sunday.
Probably not worth going in for the 15.
I'm terribly excited to go!
Got "delux covered seats"!
LOL!
Hello, sunburn!
Must get to Target tomorrow, for more sunscreen!

104 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:39:18pm

re: #21 NJDhockeyfan

It seems to me cigarette smokers are not allowed to smoke hardly anywhere in California anymore. Is it the same for pot smokers or are they allowed to smoke freely?

Regarding tobacco, people can smoke outside, in their homes/apts, even outside cafes so long as it isn't prohibited by a sign. Owner operated establishments allow it, and there are a few bars with employees that refuse to abide by the law.

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:39:37pm

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

They're nice kids... AND YOU DON'T HIDE DORITOS AROUND FOR THEM?!

106 Kragar  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:40:25pm

Whats a stoner thread without a killer light show?

107 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:41:11pm

re: #100 austin_blue

Maybe this one?

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]

I think they've got a couple left at Point Magu that aren't drones. That's 35' off the ground, by the way, the F-4 is 50' long.

Yeah, it's a big aircraft. But it would have to be to carry the payload it can carry.

108 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:42:48pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

I have to ask: What social and ethnic background are these students, and what background are the guards? Sorry to ask, but it might help me understand.

The guards are mostly white but a disproportionate percentage are black and Hispanic. The hateful students are nearly all conservative looking whites.

109 austin_blue  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:44:04pm

re: #49 Lidane

One state down, 49 to go.

Lidane-

Good band (free!) at the Green Mesquite tomorrow night at BSR and S. Lamar. I'll be running sound. She Who Must Be Obeyed will be playing R&B/American Traditional/Honky Tonk harp.

Yes, you read that right. Amazing musician. The Eastman School and curiosity does that. She is also Killer Bee at Andean/South American genres and Celtic. A proud member of Local 433. Go Union!

110 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:45:13pm

re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Whats a stoner thread without a killer light show?


[Video]

Of a killer Pink Floyd video?

111 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:46:03pm

re: #110 NJDhockeyfan

Of Or a killer Pink Floyd video?


[Video]

PIMF

112 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:46:47pm

re: #108 Shiplord Kirel

The guards are mostly white but a disproportionate percentage are black and Hispanic. The hateful students are nearly all conservative looking whites.

And that's kind of what I don't get. Are these kids racist or just assholes? They're clearly in the wrong, whatever the reason. And the University does need to crack down, that is clear.

113 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:49:34pm

re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sure. Jewelers are artists, independent and often young. Not talking retail stores here, upstairs shops. Private. You have armed security ion the lobby, and a locked door that you have a remote control for. Heh. You "buzz" them in. Puns aside all the shops are like that, buzzer double doors. Man trap.

114 pharmmajor  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:53:26pm

Next Gov. Schwarzenegger will unveil his new slogan for combating childhood obesity:

115 austin_blue  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:54:01pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, it's a big aircraft. But it would have to be to carry the payload it can carry.

My Da was commander of a Phantom squadron in Chu Lai from January to July, 1970. He replaced the inboard fuel tanks for strip alert missions into the A Shau valley and loaded up 24 500-pounders. That's all the room the bird had for hard-point ordinance. Needless to say, it created havoc amongst the bad guys.

116 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:57:11pm

re: #115 austin_blue

My Da was commander of a Phantom squadron in Chu Lai from January to July, 1970. He replaced the inboard fuel tanks for strip alert missions into the A Shau valley and loaded up 24 500-pounders. That's all the room the bird had for hard-point ordinance. Needless to say, it created havoc amongst the bad guys.

True that. Thanks for sharing that story and providing perspective..

117 sagehen  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 8:12:35pm

I distinctly remember marijuana being decriminalized in the late 70's; I received a misdemeanor citations in 1980 (in Los Angeles) and 1987 (in San Francisco), and in neither case was there any possibility of jail time. (the 1980 case I paid $130 fine, in 1987 the SF DA sent the lowest ranking prosecutor in the office to read his weekly list of pot cases and announce "to ease the court's calendar, save our limited budget, and the interests of justice, The People would dismisses these cases with prejudice.")

Was marijuana re-criminalized at some point and I just didn't notice since I've been back east?

118 Stanghazi  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 8:13:14pm

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in the day

119 sagehen  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 8:24:09pm
120 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 8:40:32pm

re: #99 NJDhockeyfan

All states have banned smoking one way or another.

List of smoking bans in the United States

That's because the stuff is noxious AND carcinogenic.

121 palomino  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 8:54:00pm

Now everyone in Cali is gonna be stoned all the time. Oh, wait, we're already stoned most of the time, so who cares?

Seriously though pot legalization is like same sex marriage. Both will happen in the not too distant future. The regressives will lose on this, it's just a matter of time.

122 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 9:01:24pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

That's because the stuff is noxious AND carcinogenic.

and it doesn't get you high!

123 jordash1212  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 9:06:41pm

Reporting live from Isla Vista. I think I am actually getting high from the immense cloud of smoke blanketting the 1 square mile of low income housing full of UCSB students. This law was retroactive approval of the already existing "don't ask, don't care" policy most law enforcement officials have around here. Of course if you're smoking a joint out on the street, IV's finest would love nothing more than to cite you, but they've got better things to do now like catch drunk drivers with all night DUI check points and those pesky freshmen that think they can do a kegstand a beerbong in the same hour!

124 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 9:15:27pm

Props to Arnold. He's a good egg.

125 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 9:22:42pm

Pot laws are pretty dumb. A monumental waste of time and resources over decades, all spent trying to eradicate a weed that grows in a ditch and makes people happy.

126 Liberal Classic  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 9:38:51pm

I just wanted to post in a chill thread.

127 abolitionist  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 9:41:22pm
128 nines09  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 10:32:11pm

Get over it. Do it.

129 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Oct 2, 2010 12:12:21am

re: #38 SteveC

*singing* Where the wind comes sweeping down the plain...

And sweeping down the plain
And sweeping down the plain
And sweeping down the plain
And sweeping down the plain
And sweeping down the plain
And sweeping down the f&%#@!*$+}%#@ plain...

HH--If you didn't know it already, marijuana is a huge cash crop in the east and southeastern parts of the state. Hilly country near the Ozarks, more rain than is typical for the state, not much population.

130 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Oct 2, 2010 12:29:09am

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

And that's kind of what I don't get. Are these kids racist or just assholes? They're clearly in the wrong, whatever the reason. And the University does need to crack down, that is clear.

Probably both. Lubbock is a long way from anywhere, including the suburbs of Houston, Dallas, etc., and you know what happens to a lot of kids when they get away from home. A lot of kids are raised in an environment of, "Do what you want, abuse who you want, hate what you want, but don't get arrested or pregnant, and above all, no blacks or Mexicans in our house!"

Lack of supervision--check
Lack of self-discipline--check
Late teen/early twenties hormones--check
Hundreds of miles from home--check
People to look down on--check
School doesn't care so long as the tuition checks don't bounce--check

Don't get me wrong, this isn't just a TT problem. It seems to be more acute in this case.

131 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 2, 2010 2:00:16am

Too many people have a problem with the discinction between immoral and illegal, and other with the disctinction between illegal and decriminalized.

To some folks, anything immoral should be illegal (religious extremists who want to impose Sharia or Dominionist law) and to others anything not fobidden by law is a license to do it anywhere they please.

In any case, Schwarzeneggger has just given God yet another reason to let California slip into the ocean. I am going to start purchasing soon-to-be ocan-front property in Yuma, Arizona.

/

132 RogueOne  Sat, Oct 2, 2010 4:32:30am

re: #108 Shiplord Kirel

The guards are mostly white but a disproportionate percentage are black and Hispanic. The hateful students are nearly all conservative looking whites.

I'm confused. Are you saying it's the college republican kids that predominately hate mall cops?

133 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Oct 2, 2010 6:42:14am

re: #132 RogueOne

I'm confused. Are you saying it's the college republican kids that predominately hate mall cops?

In Texas, you don't have to be Republican to be conservative.

134 Turu The Terrible  Sat, Oct 2, 2010 11:25:00am

re: #132 RogueOne

I'm confused. Are you saying it's the college republican kids that predominately hate mall cops?

Tell them to leave Paul Blart alone!

135 Michael Orion Powell  Tue, Oct 5, 2010 6:56:28pm

Does anyone think legalization will make stoner movies less funny?


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