This is a 1982 live recording of a Keith Jarrett solo concert in Hamburg, Germany, in which Keith totally reinvents the jazz standard “All The Things You Are,” in a mind-blowing improvisation that takes the tune places it’s never been. The audio track isn’t great, but the performance definitely is.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Oct 5, 2010 9:49:15pm |
Anti-Semitic preacher to address London conference
An Islamic preacher from Nigeria who refers to Jews as “the lowest creatures on earth” who “only understand the language of killing” is set to speak at a London conference on Wednesday organized by an anti-Israel campaign group.
The preacher, Sheikh Ibrahim Zakzaky, is head of the Islamic Movement in Nigeria and will be a guest of the Islamic Human Rights Commission at their London Al-Quds Day, an annual demonstration in support of resistance movements against Israel.
The IHRC says that the one-day “Spirit of Islamist Activism” event, held at the Islamic Centre of England in northwest London, will discuss “the major challenges to the revitalization of faith and practice in the modern world with internationally renowned scholars and academics.”
Peace!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 5, 2010 9:55:35pm |
re: #1 NJDhockeyfan
Hey! Music! We're listening to music...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Oct 5, 2010 9:56:59pm |
re: #1 NJDhockeyfan
Anti-Semitic preacher to address London conference
Peace!
A dude from Africa is saying that Yiddish is the language of killing? (Maybe it's Hebrew?)
Did I miss something? Is Crown Heights suddenly as dangerous as Rwanda?
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Usually refered to as anyways Tue, Oct 5, 2010 10:00:05pm |
My uncle was crushed by a piano.
His funeral was very low key.
He was a miner
A flat minor
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 5, 2010 10:04:17pm |
re: #3 EmmmieG
A dude from Africa is saying that Yiddish is the language of killing? (Maybe it's Hebrew?)
Did I miss something? Is Crown Heights suddenly as dangerous as Rwanda?
Nah. He's just another Islamist lying for Allah.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Oct 5, 2010 10:05:58pm |
All the Nigerians I've known, I will say, I liked.
Especially my neighbors.
They were cool.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 5, 2010 10:14:07pm |
re: #6 EmmmieG
All the Nigerians I've known, I will say, I liked.
Especially my neighbors.
They were cool.
Me too. It's not a racial or national thing, its that this asshole subscribes to a totalitarian ideology. The UK should not let him in.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 5, 2010 10:17:43pm |
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Oct 5, 2010 10:17:48pm |
Steve Hackett never got his due.
Quality video of Blood on the Rooftops.
These lyrics are from the mid 70's.
Let's skip the news boy (I'll go and make some tea)
Arabs and Jews boy (too much for me)
They get me confused boy (puts me off to sleep)
And the thing I hate--Oh Lord!
Is staying up late, to watch some debate, on some nation's fate.
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Nervous Norvous Tue, Oct 5, 2010 11:08:08pm |
re: #4 ozbloke
My uncle was crushed by a piano.
His funeral was very low key.
He was a miner
A flat minor
so noted
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boredtechindenver Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:37:54am |
Ever watch a sewer line get scoped? I actually preferred seeing the video of my colonoscopy. It was cleaner, and, thank God, there were no breaks in my colon.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:07:36am |
Finally! They've all gone away, and we have the place to ourselves. (Damn dog got me up in the middle of the night. It's a good time to catch up on the links.)
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EdDantes Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:11:33am |
Perhaps I am overreaching, but this Keith Jarret piece reminds me of Glenn Gould's interpretation of Bach's Goldberg variations.
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EdDantes Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:17:29am |
re: #13 boredtechindenver
Ever watch a sewer line get scoped? I actually preferred seeing the video of my colonoscopy. It was cleaner, and, thank God, there were no breaks in my colon.
My doctor has been trying to get me to do that for five years now. Once he described what was going to be done I have decided I am a scopophobe.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:19:25am |
Nina Simone did a take of "You'd Be So Nice to Come Home To" that is laid over pure Bach, but I've never found a Youtube clip. It was on the "Nina at Newport" album.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:23:19am |
re: #16 EdDantes
There are collections of things patients are supposed to have said under the anaesthesia mix. Best one: I'm sure there is nothing there that will save your dying civilization".
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EdDantes Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:28:16am |
re: #18 Decatur Deb
I had my appendix removed when I was twenty. My mom says that before I came to my senses I was asking for morphine. I have no explanation for why I asked for that.
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EdDantes Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:32:37am |
re: #20 Decatur Deb
WWII movies.
I believe you are absolutely right. I was raised on those movies and I watched the tv show Combat!
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:32:42am |
re: #17 Decatur Deb
Nina Simone did a take of "You'd Be So Nice to Come Home To" that is laid over pure Bach, but I've never found a Youtube clip. It was on the "Nina at Newport" album.
Found it--someone must have posted in the last couple months. (Poor sound in places.)
[Link: www.dailymotion.com...]
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EdDantes Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:39:30am |
Decatur,
I clicked your Avatar and saw the explanation of your nic. It reminds me that I have a polaroid of myself at the age of 13 in 1969 at the Air Force museum in Dayton, Ohio. I am standing in front of a B-24 named Strawberry Bitch. Now there's a nic!
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:43:08am |
re: #23 EdDantes
The Collings Foundation is keeping a B-17, a -24, and (I think) a -25 in the air. They were here a year ago, and I got to crawl through them.
[Link: www.collingsfoundation.org...]
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EdDantes Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:46:24am |
Here's my Strawberry Bitch!
[Link: www.hauntedhouses.com...]
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EdDantes Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:51:17am |
re: #24 Decatur Deb
I'd love to do that. My older brother let me explore a B-52 and KC-135 but it would an honor to be in one of the WW2 warbirds.
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EdDantes Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:54:05am |
re: #24 Decatur Deb
Sadly, nothing on the west coast where I am now located.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:55:30am |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 6, 2010 3:01:00am |
re: #27 EdDantes
Sadly, nothing on the west coast where I am now located.
If you range as far a Tuscon, here's a chance. The Decatur Deb was part of the 390th/ 571st SQDN.
[Link: www.390th.org...]
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EdDantes Wed, Oct 6, 2010 3:05:37am |
re: #29 Decatur Deb
Could be. I used to live in Tucson. It would be worth a trip back to see the museum.
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Oct 6, 2010 3:58:13am |
Randy Moss to the Vikings? My Vikings fan baby brother would be hap-hap-happy!
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 6, 2010 3:58:13am |
Good morning,
BadgerB
boredtechindenver
Decatur Deb
EdDantes
freetoken
ozbloke
reine.de.tout
Renaissance_Man
Walter L. Newton
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Oct 6, 2010 4:00:41am |
re: #32 Varek Raith
Good morning Varek Raith from the stealthified Taq!
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 6, 2010 4:03:19am |
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Wed, Oct 6, 2010 4:14:13am |
Good Morning to Charles' Private Lizard Army.
I need more coffee before I come up with anything clever...
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 6, 2010 4:24:35am |
re: #36 rwdflynavy
Starting to stir in Central Daylight--Jeez, I really love the French press. (Coffeemaker, not media.)
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Flounder Wed, Oct 6, 2010 4:31:57am |
Can't wait to get home and watch this, thanx Charles!
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Wed, Oct 6, 2010 4:41:58am |
re: #37 Decatur Deb
Starting to stir in Central Daylight--Jeez, I really love the French press. (Coffeemaker, not media.)
+1 on the French press, my favorite way to make coffee.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 4:42:58am |
I have the A/C on, but opened the windows and front door. Crisp air, no humidity. I love this time of year. Gotta wait about another month before a 5 month run of incredible weather. I guess ya'll are gonna need to shine up your snow shovels. Heh. And good morning.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 6, 2010 4:53:11am |
Yes. We finally got through the hellish Summer. A couple years ago my wife went to Walmart to get an ice scraper, and had to describe it in great detail to the auto parts kid. He had never seen one.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:16:35am |
re: #41 Decatur Deb
Yes. We finally got through the hellish Summer. A couple years ago my wife went to Walmart to get an ice scraper, and had to describe it in great detail to the auto parts kid. He had never seen one.
I first came to Germany in 1988 and tried to find a bag of ice cubes to put in the beer cooler. Nobody seemed to know what I was talking about.
Then Wal-Mart started carrying them, and I fell on my knees in front of the cooler chest to give thanks to God and Sam Walton (my wife pretended not to be with me).
In any case, they have become available at most large supermarkets and gas stations now.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:22:00am |
re: #42 ralphieboy
Herr Walton has his stores in Germany?
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:23:40am |
re: #43 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He did for a while, but they have since sold out and moved on. Somehow those spoiled, unionized employees could just not get the Wal-Mart spirit
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:24:52am |
re: #42 ralphieboy
When I lived in Canada for a short time, I would have a drink in a pub. They would put about 3 cubes in my glass. I over fill my glass with ice. I made sure to let them know after the first time. I also ordered Canadian Club. The bartender said "A Rye and coke"? I said no, CC. This went on for a couple minutes.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:27:45am |
Many Europeans are convinced that drinking chilled beverages with ice in them will cause you to develop stomach cancer and die a slow, horrible death.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:29:17am |
re: #46 ralphieboy
Many Europeans are convinced that drinking chilled beverages with ice in them will cause you to develop stomach cancer and die a slow, horrible death.
Well, if that doesn't do it, the amount of Tabasco I consume will bore a hole in my stomach.
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McSpiff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:30:38am |
re: #47 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well, if that doesn't do it, the amount of Tabasco I consume will bore a hole in my stomach.
I knew a dude that would frequently drink vinegar. Doctor made him stop because it was destroying his throat/stomach lining.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:33:22am |
re: #48 McSpiff
I knew a dude that would frequently drink vinegar. Doctor made him stop because it was destroying his throat/stomach lining.
I don't drink vinegar, but I love it. Especially mom's Onion and Cucumber salad in vinegar and oil.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:35:44am |
re: #49 Cannadian Club Akbar
I don't drink vinegar, but I love it. Especially mom's Onion and Cucumber salad in vinegar and oil.
Vinegar and oil: the latter to help coat the esophagus and stomach lining
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:37:38am |
I have a bit of a conflict. I asked my Lord not to send me to the great beyond until the Bucs, Lightning and Rays all have a championship. 2 have happened and baseball playoffs start today. Oh, crap!! Can I still become an Atheist???
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:37:49am |
re: #44 ralphieboy
Funny. Kroger (USofA grocery giant) and Super Wal-Mart compete head to head here. Kroger is unionized, Wal-Mart is not. Wal-Mart's prices are consistently less, and shoppers tend to go there without any consideration for unionized workforces.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:38:28am |
re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar
Worshiping Athie won't help you now.
-God.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:39:09am |
re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wal Mart butchers threatened to unionize. Wal Mart decided to fire them.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:39:39am |
re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have a bit of a conflict. I asked my Lord not to send me to the great beyond until the Bucs, Lightning and Rays all have a championship. 2 have happened and baseball playoffs start today. Oh, crap!! Can I still become an Atheist???
That's a great idea. Since I'm a Cubs fan I could live for eternity with the same deal.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:39:49am |
re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Worshiping Athie won't help you now.
-God.
I will die before I pull for the Yankees.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:41:23am |
re: #55 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wal Mart butchers threatened to unionize. Wal Mart decided to fire them.
Whatever it takes to keep low, low prices....
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:41:26am |
re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Funny. Kroger (USofA grocery giant) and Super Wal-Mart compete head to head here. Kroger is unionized, Wal-Mart is not. Wal-Mart's prices are consistently less, and shoppers tend to go there without any consideration for unionized workforces.
Bread, milk, steaks, beer, etc....I don't care where it's sold. The store with the best prices gets my business.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:42:18am |
re: #59 NJDhockeyfan
Bread, milk, steaks, beer, etc...I don't care where it's sold. The store with the best prices gets my business.
I just steal mine from work.
//
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wee fury Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:48:10am |
Because it is morning . . . I just put the coffee on --
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:49:38am |
Joe Manchin Suddenly Decides to Sue the Obama Administration
Wow. How much does West Virginia Senate candidate Joe Manchin have to distance himself from the Obama administration? This much:Gov. Joe Manchin has scheduled a press conference Wednesday morning where he is expected to announce that the state is filing suit against the federal government over the Obama administration’s crackdown on mountaintop removal coal mining.Any more distancing and Manchin will switch parties.
Heh.
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garhighway Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:50:01am |
Morning all. Here's an interesting piece from Politico:
[Link: www.politico.com...]
It seems that Mitt Romney is being told he has to recant on the Mass healthcare plan if he expects to win the 2012 GOP nod. Apparently, the fact that he recanted on a bunch of other positions (gay rights comes to mind) isn't good enough, he has to eat that one, too. Because extending healthcare to 400,000 Massachusetts residents is disqualifying.
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garhighway Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:50:42am |
re: #62 NJDhockeyfan
Joe Manchin Suddenly Decides to Sue the Obama Administration
Any more distancing and Manchin will switch parties.
Heh.
Local issue. Big whoop.
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garhighway Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:54:21am |
Meanwhile, in Alaska, Joe Miller has this interesting situation:
"When I fired my wife from her public job working for me, she applied for and got the same kind of unemployment benefits that I think are unconstitutional."
(That's a paraphrase, but it summarizes the situation well enough.)
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:55:34am |
I see there's talk of a Hillary for Biden trade. Obama should NOT seriously consider it. Clinton has done a good job as Sec of State, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Her job is more important than Biden's. If Obama DOES put Joe in Hillary's job, he will screw it up. And the move will be seen as pure political opportunism by the Prez just to get reelected. I hope President Obama doesn't do it.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:56:13am |
Rep. Tierney's wife to plead guilty to hiding her brother's offshore gambling business
The wife of Massachusetts lawmaker Rep. John Tierney (D) will plead guilty to charges that she helped her brother conceal what authorities say was a multi-million dollar illegal offshore gambling business.
Federal prosecutors said Tierney's 59-year-old wife Patrice Tierney is expected to plead guilty Monday in U.S. District Court in Boston to four counts of aiding and abetting the filing of false tax returns, according to a report from The Associated Press late Tuesday.
Robert Eremian, Tierney's fugitive brother, and another sibling face charges including racketeering, money laundering and operating an illegal gambling business.
Corruption & Democrats...two things that go together.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:56:49am |
re: #67 NJDhockeyfan
Rep. Tierney's wife to plead guilty to hiding her brother's offshore gambling business
Corruption &
Democratspoliticians...two things that go together.
FTFY
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:58:15am |
re: #66 _RememberTonyC
I thought Biden was a Foreign Relations expert?
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:58:59am |
re: #69 Cannadian Club Akbar
I thought Biden was a Foreign Relations expert?
He is. Canadian Club, Wild Turkey...
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:59:23am |
re: #66 _RememberTonyC
I see there's talk of a Hillary for Biden trade. Obama should NOT seriously consider it. Clinton has done a good job as Sec of State, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Her job is more important than Biden's. If Obama DOES put Joe in Hillary's job, he will screw it up. And the move will be seen as pure political opportunism by the Prez just to get reelected. I hope President Obama doesn't do it.
If they do switch positions it will look like desperation by the WH to re-elect Obama with sliding poll numbers . That won't look very good IMO.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:59:56am |
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:02:58am |
re: #72 Cannadian Club Akbar
Very nice.
In high snark this morning. Two cups of coffee and it appears I mildly sprained a wrist last night. Mild level of constant pain, and it's hard to type and/or work IT-related tasks with just one hand.
And I have to lug a laptop around the floor today and finish surveying the occupants about an upcoming network conversion. Fun Fun Fun.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:05:22am |
re: #73 oaktree
Ibuprofen will help with any swelling. And pain.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:06:22am |
re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar
Ibuprofen will help with any swelling. And pain.
Already took two this morning. Have a hefty supply of Motrin about since I get gout flare-ups periodically.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:13:08am |
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:14:59am |
re: #63 garhighway
Morning all. Here's an interesting piece from Politico:
[Link: www.politico.com...]
It seems that Mitt Romney is being told he has to recant on the Mass healthcare plan if he expects to win the 2012 GOP nod. Apparently, the fact that he recanted on a bunch of other positions (gay rights comes to mind) isn't good enough, he has to eat that one, too. Because extending healthcare to 400,000 Massachusetts residents is disqualifying.
What the yahoos don't understand is that guys like Romney know how to emphasize issues important to Dems like health care. People need to remember he was Gov of Massachusetts ... Arguably the bluest of states. But People there were willing to vote for a moderate like Mitt. If he believes Romneycare was/is good, he SHOULD defend his record and stand up to the yahoos.
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Big Steve Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:15:25am |
Interesting that there is an anti Global Warming book being advertised here on LGF at the top right.
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Nervous Norvous Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:15:47am |
re: #75 oaktree
Already took two this morning. Have a hefty supply of Motrin about since I get gout flare-ups periodically.
Gout is miserable. I haven't had an attack in quite some time, but I also cut down drastically on my beer and red meat consumption.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:18:15am |
re: #66 _RememberTonyC
I see there's talk of a Hillary for Biden trade. Obama should NOT seriously consider it. Clinton has done a good job as Sec of State, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Her job is more important than Biden's. If Obama DOES put Joe in Hillary's job, he will screw it up. And the move will be seen as pure political opportunism by the Prez just to get reelected. I hope President Obama doesn't do it.
He will do it to set her up for her presidential run in 2016.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:19:45am |
re: #81 prairiefire
He will do it to set her up for her presidential run in 2016.
Yes. And Biden for the Supreme Court.
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Nervous Norvous Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:20:00am |
re: #80 prairiefire
Watch out for turkey, as well.
Oddly enough it's the combination that does it...if I eat too much red meat and drink too much alcohol at the same time I get an attack. I quit drinking almost entirely because I developed Type II so I only eat things that aren't terribly good for me. Although I've cut down on starches quite a bit, and tend to eat a bit more protein than I used to now. Hoping I can keep it in the diet, exercise, pill stage for as long as possible.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:21:03am |
re: #78 Big Steve
Interesting that there is an anti Global Warming book being advertised here on LGF at the top right.
I got a pop-up ad for Palin yesterday.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:21:14am |
re: #79 PT Barnum
Gout is miserable. I haven't had an attack in quite some time, but I also cut down drastically on my beer and red meat consumption.
I'm still working out what triggers attacks. I think eating spinach actually contributed to the last one. My real suspicion is that there are a number of factors contributing a little bit of irritation and a flare-up occurs when I eat a combination that pushes the irritation level over a certain threshold. Sort of like the way my allergies seem to work.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:22:19am |
re: #83 PT Barnum
Good luck! My dad increased his treadmill exercise and it helped his type II Diabetes immensely.
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Nervous Norvous Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:23:22am |
re: #81 prairiefire
He will do it to set her up for her presidential run in 2016.
I think he would do better to leave her where she is. I suspect Biden won't run for president as he'll be close to 80 at the end of Obama's second term. Hillary is the natural choice for the next nominee, unless another Obama comes along to upset the apple cart. Having multiple foreign policy successes under her belt would be substantially better for her than 4 years as VP
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:23:40am |
re: #81 prairiefire
I advise him not to do it, but it will show us something if he does. Hillary's performance at State has been good and that job is WAY more important than VP. Especially when the V is older than the P.
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Nervous Norvous Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:24:43am |
re: #86 prairiefire
Good luck! My dad increased his treadmill exercise and it helped his type II Diabetes immensely.
I need to walk or something. Unfortunately, I have a right knee that's held together with screws and a plate and a piece of my right hip relocated for that express purpose. (slipped on ice, crushed corner of my tibia)
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:25:18am |
POLL: Dislike of healthcare law crosses party lines, 1 in 4 Dems want repeal
Healthcare reform is hurting the reelection chances of freshman Democrats in the House, according to The Hill/ANGA poll.A majority of voters in key battleground districts favor repeal of the legislative overhaul Congress passed this year.
President Obama predicted in the spring that the new law would become popular as people learned more about it. But the poll shows Republicans strongly oppose it, independents are wary of it and a surprising number of Democrats also want it overturned.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:25:53am |
re: #69 Cannadian Club Akbar
I thought Biden was a Foreign Relations expert?
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:27:15am |
re: #93 _RememberTonyC
Biden is not well liked in Iraq, where he suggested carving the country up with artificial borders.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:28:12am |
re: #90 PT Barnum
I need to walk or something. Unfortunately, I have a right knee that's held together with screws and a plate and a piece of my right hip relocated for that express purpose. (slipped on ice, crushed corner of my tibia)
Is the issue pressure, or motion in general? Curious since something like a stationary bicycle would possibly work for doing motion without necessarily a lot of weight bearing. I guess swimming would be another option if it is readily available. Does your doctor have any opinion regarding what a good exercise program for your condition would entail?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:30:41am |
re: #95 oaktree
Swimming would be best. Lowest impact.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:32:43am |
re: #95 oaktree
Is the issue pressure, or motion in general? Curious since something like a stationary bicycle would possibly work for doing motion without necessarily a lot of weight bearing. I guess swimming would be another option if it is readily available. Does your doctor have any opinion regarding what a good exercise program for your condition would entail?
I was going to suggest that, or ask his doctor for a referral to a physical therapist or personal trainer who can develop an exercise program specifically to address any issues.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:39:29am |
Meg Whitman isn’t the only gubernatorial candidate with a legal skirmish in her past. Cuba expert Ann Louise Bardach reports that Jerry Brown violated U.S. sanction law during a trip to Cuba by using a CIA turncoat as a travel agent. Similar sanction violations were prosecuted extensively by George W. Bush. Plus: never before reported details of Brown’s mojito-fueled conversations with Fidel on topics from Elian Gonzalez’s future to Hugo Chavez’s role in Venezuela; Brown’s four-hour limo ride with Fidel; the double agent who booked Brown’s travel; and Brown’s later concerns about breaking the law.
Brown spent some quality time with Castro? What a shocker!
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Ziggy Standard Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:47:21am |
Good afternoon squamates.
Creationist rubbish removed from Florida textbook:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Ziggy Standard Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:49:07am |
Vatican official complains about award of Nobel Prize to IVF scientists:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:52:12am |
re: #100 Jimmah
Vatican official complains about award of Nobel Prize to IVF scientists:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Fuck them. I have two beautiful daughters because of IVF.
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BishopX Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:01:25am |
re: #101 NJDhockeyfan
Heartily seconded, I wouldn't be alive if not for IVF!
Hearing that he won the Nobel for it made my day.
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Ziggy Standard Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:01:36am |
re: #101 NJDhockeyfan
Fuck them. I have two beautiful daughters because of IVF.
Cool. I have a nephew and a niece (twins) because of it. The catholic church really knows how to lose friends and alienate people.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:04:57am |
re: #101 NJDhockeyfan
Fuck them. I have two beautiful daughters because of IVF.
I've tried it twice. The first time worked until they realized my wife has a blood issue and she lost them. The second through the frozen, which really lowers your chances, and they didn't take. Personally I never really wanted offspring but the spouse does and I'm all about doing my part to make her happy.
OTOH, I did have a very minor issue with the whole "playing god" thing. I figure the fact I made it almost 40 years of a very active sex life with zero pregnancy scares means the universe would prefer it if I didn't breed.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:06:11am |
re: #98 NJDhockeyfan
Brown spent some quality time with Castro? What a shocker!
Their economy is in the toilet and they're arguing about a maid and a beer with castro.... people get the government they deserve.
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Four More Tears Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:11:01am |
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Ziggy Standard Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:13:26am |
Ice-ski and I are off to B&Q. The nesting cannot be stopped.
Later, folks!
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:13:39am |
re: #106 JasonA
Suck it, Jobs!
Android Beats iPhone As Most Popular Operating System Among Recent Buyers: Nielsen
Did you read they're coming out with their own tablet?
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Four More Tears Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:16:30am |
re: #108 RogueOne
Did you read they're coming out with their own tablet?
Do you mean Google specifically or the Android-based Samsung Galaxy Tab?
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garhighway Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:16:48am |
re: #77 _RememberTonyC
What the yahoos don't understand is that guys like Romney know how to emphasize issues important to Dems like health care. People need to remember he was Gov of Massachusetts ... Arguably the bluest of states. But People there were willing to vote for a moderate like Mitt. If he believes Romneycare was/is good, he SHOULD defend his record and stand up to the yahoos.
I agree. You would think that the extremists in either party would understand that applying litmus tests to guys like Romney (and Guiliani) cost them candidates that might have greater appeal to the middle of the spectrum.
But they value idealogical purity more than anything else, so instead they make guys like Romney eat all of his Massachusetts positions and turn him into a weathervane with no integrity. It's sad. And it isn't confined to the GOP: there is a certain amount of whining on the Dem side about candidates who were insufficiently gung ho on HCR.
I have always thought that it was clear that American national politics was, at its heart, a battle for the hearts and minds of the moderate 30% of the electorate. I have always thought that the point was fairly obvious, and as a result I have never understood the extremists that would alienate the moderates in their pursuit of purity. But this year it seems like those lessons have been unlearned, and may not even hold. How any primary voter thinks that the way to capture the middle thirty is to put forward Angle or O'Donnell or Paladino simply escapes me.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:19:58am |
re: #110 garhighway
That's the nature of the primaries - where the most engaged and the most active parts of the respective parties can and frequently turn out to be the fringes - which then determines the party nominee particularly during the early primary/caucuses. They want ideological purity, despite the fact that doing so would alienate 60% of the electorate right off the bad. Rather than attempting to run a moderate from the outset, you get candidates tacking left and right (depending on the party) for the primaries only to reverse course during the general election campaign - setting both up for claims of lying, misrepresenting, or otherwise flipping on key issues.
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Four More Tears Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:20:03am |
And fr the record, I actually think I like the BB Playbook more than the Galaxy Tab, but I'm really not sure a 7-inch screen is enough for me to take the leap into the the tablet market.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:21:08am |
re: #109 JasonA
Do you mean Google specifically or the Android-based Samsung Galaxy Tab?
I take that as a "yes"./ The samsung is android but google is doing a chrome based tablet that someone else is doing. I'll be honest...I hate chrome and gmail.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:21:56am |
re: #111 lawhawk
That's the nature of the primaries - where the most engaged and the most active parts of the respective parties can and frequently turn out to be the fringes - which then determines the party nominee particularly during the early primary/caucuses. They want ideological purity, despite the fact that doing so would alienate 60% of the electorate right off the bad. Rather than attempting to run a moderate from the outset, you get candidates tacking left and right (depending on the party) for the primaries only to reverse course during the general election campaign - setting both up for claims of lying, misrepresenting, or otherwise flipping on key issues.
Which is why Mitch Daniels probably doesn't stand a chance.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:22:38am |
re: #110 garhighway
Angle may well win in NV because of dissatisfaction but O'Donnell and Paladino wont (and based on recent polls, Paladino keeps showing himself to be down 20+ points, and that's before the latest round of his lies and smears).
It's also what lessons the parties take away from the wins or losses. If they lose, the TP may find that instead of learning to run towards the middle with more moderate candidates, they'll claim that they didn't do enough to get their base-far right out out, which will put them at a disadvantage in 2012.
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garhighway Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:23:45am |
re: #111 lawhawk
That's the nature of the primaries - where the most engaged and the most active parts of the respective parties can and frequently turn out to be the fringes - which then determines the party nominee particularly during the early primary/caucuses. They want ideological purity, despite the fact that doing so would alienate 60% of the electorate right off the bad. Rather than attempting to run a moderate from the outset, you get candidates tacking left and right (depending on the party) for the primaries only to reverse course during the general election campaign - setting both up for claims of lying, misrepresenting, or otherwise flipping on key issues.
You are exactly right. It is so frustrating to watch. How do the primary voters not get what they are doing? I suppose you can't blame the candidates, because every time one of them tries to stand up and defend their moderate positions they get trounced. So they do what works.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:24:48am |
re: #110 garhighway
I have always thought that it was clear that American national politics was, at its heart, a battle for the hearts and minds of the moderate 30% of the electorate. I have always thought that the point was fairly obvious, and as a result I have never understood the extremists that would alienate the moderates in their pursuit of purity. But this year it seems like those lessons have been unlearned, and may not even hold. How any primary voter thinks that the way to capture the middle thirty is to put forward Angle or O'Donnell or Paladino simply escapes me.
I agree with your first point but not the second. Obama won the election by carrying roughly 60% of the independent vote, now he's losing them by 20 pts. The dems decided to write off the middle and they're going to pay for it.
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Four More Tears Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:26:20am |
re: #113 RogueOne
I take that as a "yes"./ The samsung is android but google is doing a chrome based tablet that someone else is doing. I'll be honest...I hate chrome and gmail.
I've grown to looove Chrome, but it didn't happen overnight. I understand why some people can't stand it. Why the gmail hate, though?
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garhighway Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:26:55am |
re: #115 lawhawk
Angle may well win in NV because of dissatisfaction but O'Donnell and Paladino wont (and based on recent polls, Paladino keeps showing himself to be down 20+ points, and that's before the latest round of his lies and smears).
It's also what lessons the parties take away from the wins or losses. If they lose, the TP may find that instead of learning to run towards the middle with more moderate candidates, they'll claim that they didn't do enough to get their base-far right out out, which will put them at a disadvantage in 2012.
My money's on Reid: I think Angle has a bunch of mistakes still in her. Paladino and O'Donnell are toast, and the GOP should be kicking themselves over those two. Lazio was no sure thing, but he would have run a better race than Paladino, who was an accident waiting to happen.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:30:10am |
re: #118 JasonA
I've grown to looove Chrome, but it didn't happen overnight. I understand why some people can't stand it. Why the gmail hate, though?
I can't deal with the formatting through the browser and It took me almost a year to finally be able to have it pushed straight through to my droid. No one could ever figure out what the problem was and it just started working on its own.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:30:44am |
re: #119 garhighway
My money's on Reid: I think Angle has a bunch of mistakes still in her. Paladino and O'Donnell are toast, and the GOP should be kicking themselves over those two. Lazio was no sure thing, but he would have run a better race than Paladino, who was an accident waiting to happen.
O'Donnell's newest ad;
"I am not toast...
I'm a bagel."
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Four More Tears Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:30:45am |
re: #119 garhighway
My money's on Reid: I think Angle has a bunch of mistakes still in her. Paladino and O'Donnell are toast, and the GOP should be kicking themselves over those two. Lazio was no sure thing, but he would have run a better race than Paladino, who was an accident waiting to happen.
Until Angle publicly denies being a witch I'll still have my doubts...
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:31:39am |
re: #119 garhighway
Paladino is toast, but Lazio would have been no better. He would have lost by as great or greater numbers because he's done nothing to warrant anyone's vote - he hasn't won an elected position in years and got trounced in his last statewide effort (as replacement for Rudy in the senate race v. Hillary). It would have been just as bad as Paladino, just without the fireworks.
And Lazio is prone to a gaffe or two - his worst coming during the debate with Hillary when he came off as a creep.
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Four More Tears Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:32:21am |
re: #120 RogueOne
I can't deal with the formatting through the browser and It took me almost a year to finally be able to have it pushed straight through to my droid. No one could ever figure out what the problem was and it just started working on its own.
Even with the gmail app? I'd suggest giving it another shot. The threading is lovely.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:32:29am |
I'm working on my last quote for the week. I've already quoted almost 150% of my annual budget in just the last few weeks. People have saved their money all year and now they want to get rid of some before the end of the 4th quarter.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:35:30am |
re: #124 JasonA
Even with the gmail app? I'd suggest giving it another shot. The threading is lovely.
The gmail app refused to work for me until a couple weeks ago. I read through and tried every suggestion I could find online and couldn't get it to sync unless I did it manually. It was annoying. I had the same problem on my droid and my X. Pissed me off! I'm currently using 4 email apps for my different email accounts. I'm having the same problem with the yahoo app. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:35:32am |
re: #122 JasonA
Until Angle publicly denies being a witch I'll still have my doubts...
Has Angle given her masturbation schedule yet? I know how important that is among voters.
//
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:42:50am |
South Park Doing NASCAR Parody For Season Premiere
South Park, entering its 14th season, is quite possibly one of the most controversial and ingenious television shows of our generation. From touching sensitive political topics to online video games like World of Warcraft, there aren’t many subjects that the writers of South Park aren’t willing to mock or criticize, chiming in with their two cents. In essence, they just say what we’re all thinking in our heads. (Well, some of us anyway).
Needless to say, we were excited when we saw the trailer for their upcoming season premiere which airs tonight, Wednesday, October 6th. Is there any sight better than seeing Cartman strapped into a NASCAR and hitting the track? We didn’t think so.
“Don’t worry, Butters, I’ve learned everything I can about being poor and stupid. I’m ready for NASCAR.” Hopefully they won’t just beat a dead horse with the same stereotypical jokes about NASCAR and its fans. But we expect only the worst out of South Park while looking forward to the episode.
Must see TV tonight!
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Four More Tears Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:45:00am |
re: #126 RogueOne
The gmail app refused to work for me until a couple weeks ago. I read through and tried every suggestion I could find online and couldn't get it to sync unless I did it manually. It was annoying. I had the same problem on my droid and my X. Pissed me off! I'm currently using 4 email apps for my different email accounts. I'm having the same problem with the yahoo app. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Ouch. Okay, I see how that can be ridiculously frustrating. And on two different phones? Motorola problem, maybe?
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:47:28am |
re: #130 JasonA
That's my assumption, it was a motorola problem. I would think it had to do with one of my apps causing an issue but which one I couldn't even guess. When the X came out I switched and my spouse took my droid. She had the same problem until 2.2 came out and the X started working all on its own. I have no idea why.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:47:53am |
In one of his recent weekly sermons, titled "How Islam Confronts the Oppression and Tyranny [against the Muslims]," Muslim Brotherhood Supreme Guide Muhammad Badi' accused the Arab and Muslim regimes of employing tyranny against their peoples, of avoiding confrontation with the Muslims' real enemies – the Zionist entity and the U.S. – and of disregarding Allah's commandment to wage jihad against the infidels.About the U.S., he said that it is immoral and therefore doomed to collapse, and that it is "experiencing the beginning of its end and is heading towards its demise."
Badi' added that the Palestinian-Israeli negotiations have proved to be pointless, and accused the Palestinian Authority of selling out the Palestinian cause, adding that the PA's days are numbered. He also stated that the Palestinian people in the West Bank and Gaza are preparing for a third intifada, and called on the mujahideen in Gaza to be patient and persist in their jihad, because Allah is with them. Finally, he urged all Arab and Muslims to unite in support of the resistance, for "resistance is the solution," and exhorted them to have faith in the Koranic promise that Allah would deliver the infidels into their hands, even if they are weak at the moment.
What a nice tolerant group of folks.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:48:35am |
Nikki Haley lets people know she's still out there (and as crazy as Palin)
Mandatory drug tests for the unemployed
I wonder if these tests would be something the unemployed would have to pay for out of pocket, or if the government would provide this medical test for free.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:49:56am |
Here's an interesting tidbit from the NY-23 Congressional Race. Looks like Doug Hoffman, who forced GOP nominee Scozzafava to withdraw in last year's race but ended up losing to Bill Owens, has himself withdrawn from the race in November.
Conservative House hopeful Doug Hoffman’s abrupt decision Tuesday to abandon his bid for the House of Representatives — and endorse the Republican challenger — gives a boost to GOP officials hoping to take back the North Country seat they lost last year.Hoffman, a Conservative Party candidate, had been vying for the seat from New York’s 23rd congressional district against Republican Matt Doheny and Democratic incumbent Bill Owens.
Owens won his seat in the House during a special election against Hoffman and Republican Dede Scozzafava last November, after former Republican Rep. John McHugh became secretary of the Army.
In a statement, Hoffman said he was pulling out of the race because he didn’t want to split the Republican vote on Election Day. Hoffman threw his support behind Doheny.
Instead of withdrawing last year- he split the vote and lost the district for the GOP because he was cashing in on the anger of some district GOPers over how Scozzafava was selected by the party. Had Hoffman withdrawn last year as he is now doing, it's likely that the GOP would have held the seat.
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Four More Tears Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:50:06am |
re: #133 darthstar
Nikki Haley lets people know she's still out there (and as crazy as Palin)
Mandatory drug tests for the unemployed
I wonder if these tests would be something the unemployed would have to pay for out of pocket, or if the government would provide this medical test for free.
Wait... drug tests for people on unemployment, not just welfare? Holy...
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BishopX Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:51:41am |
re: #135 JasonA
Heaven forbid you lose your job because of a medical issue.
"I'm sorry sir but we found traces of prescription painkillers in your urine, so you're going to terminate your benefits, including COBRA."
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Four More Tears Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:51:47am |
re: #131 RogueOne
That's my assumption, it was a motorola problem. I would think it had to do with one of my apps causing an issue but which one I couldn't even guess. When the X came out I switched and my spouse took my droid. She had the same problem until 2.2 came out and the X started working all on its own. I have no idea why.
Speaking of which...
Hey, Samsung? Can I have 2.2 on my Galaxy S now please?
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:52:15am |
re: #133 darthstar
I propose drug tests for all politicians - both as candidates and while in office, because there's got to be some folks who are on to some serious stuff when they come up with their inane proposals.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:56:43am |
re: #138 lawhawk
I propose drug tests for all politicians - both as candidates and while in office, because there's got to be some folks who are on to some serious stuff when they come up with their inane proposals.
I'm all for that. I have a friend who went to a party in Washington DC with her sister. She told me it was one wild party and some of the people snorting cocaine & smoking weed were politicians I would know. She wouldn't give me any names.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:57:28am |
To continue the rift over faux-privatization ....
Parents of Briana Ojeda vow suit against city in asthma death of daughter
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Briana Ojeda had an asthma attack Aug. 27 while playing in a Carroll Gardens park. Her mother was racing the wrong way down a one-way street toward a hospital when she was stopped by Officer Alfonso Mendez.The 30-year-old officer, who has been suspended from the 84th Precinct in downtown Brooklyn, told her he did not know cardiopulmonary resuscitation - training all cops get in the Police Academy.
So this time a policeman, under contract unlike the FD in the TN county, refuses to help and a person dies. He's been suspended (most likely with pay) but since he's protected by a union contract he'll be back on the street refusing to help in no time. Obviously the left wing ideal-utopian-union-government-employee model isn't working and the feds should step in to protect us, right?
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 7:59:31am |
re: #140 RogueOne
Was it policy for him not to help?
Are you really trying to draw an equivalence between the two incidents? That'd be kind of funny.
But not very.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:01:31am |
re: #139 NJDhockeyfan
I'm all for that. I have a friend who went to a party in Washington DC with her sister. She told me it was one wild party and some of the people snorting cocaine & smoking weed were politicians I would know. She wouldn't give me any names.
Federal judge charged with buying drugs from stripper
[Link: www.ajc.com...]
Strippers and drugs and no one invited me.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:02:43am |
re: #141 Obdicut
Was it policy for him not to help?
Are you really trying to draw an equivalence between the two incidents? That'd be kind of funny.
But not very.
It's the same thing, only absolutely the opposite./
Your ideal employee model, government operated and union controlled, is killing people. Why do you hate asthmatics so much?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:03:14am |
re: #142 RogueOne
Federal judge charged with buying drugs from stripper
[Link: www.ajc.com...]Strippers and drugs and no one invited me.
He now qualifies to be mayor of Washington DC.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:03:23am |
re: #143 RogueOne
Your ideal employee model, government operated and union controlled, is killing people. Why do you hate asthmatics so much?
Then please explain the similarities. Shouldn't be that hard for you.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:05:16am |
re: #143 RogueOne
It's the same thing, only absolutely the opposite./
Your ideal employee model, government operated and union controlled, is killing people. Why do you hate asthmatics so much?
Why does the tobacco industry hate people so much?
The alcohol industry?
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:09:17am |
Wow. Not only gay-bashing-- gay-bashing in the Stonewall Inn.
That's fucked up. That's like mugging a vet on Omaha Beach.
[Link: abclocal.go.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:09:22am |
J Street Co-Founder Daniel Levy: Israel’s Creation “An Act That Was Wrong”
Quite the few days that J Street had last week, what with all the admitting they’re foot soldiers in Soros’s anti-Israel army after lying about it for years and then trying to get ahead of the story by lying about it some more. Most of the criticism has focused on co-founder Jeremy Ben-Ami, who did not exactly fall on his sword and instead tried to hamfistedly change the subject. But it’s probably unfair to blame him for all of J Street’s failings, from rigging polls to being more anti-Israel than the Saudis to expressing fake confusion about Hamas’s intentions.
Per Eli Lake’s first story, Ben-Ami seems to have been the one who did most of the “misleading” about J Street’s fundraising, from furtively squirreling away Soros’s cash to opaquely raising 50% of the group’s 2008 money from a single foreign source.
But per Lake’s second article, when it came time to shuttle Goldstone around DC and peddle his endlessly inaccurate and venomously biased libels around the Hill, J Street delegated the task to one of the adults in the organization. It was J Street co-founder, advisory board member, and international socialite Daniel Levy “who accompanied the judge to several of the [10-12] parleys” with Congress. It was also Levy’s New America Foundation that hosted a high-caliber lunch for Goldstone with “a group of analysts and Middle East wonks.”
The Goldstone tour wasn’t the first time that Levy willingly served as a channel for de facto Hamas propaganda. He’s been a tireless advocate of pro-Hamas diplomacy, and sees the Iranian proxy as an integral part of Palestinian civil society. A few years ago Noah Pollak took him out to the woodshed for historical revisionism that seemed jarringly anti-Israel and borderline anti-Zionist.
If sometimes it seems like Levy doesn’t really think that the modern Jewish State deserves defending, it’s because he kind of doesn’t really think that the modern Jewish State deserves defending. You can be confident on that point because he said so himself – quite definitively – at last May’s Fifth Al Jazeera Forum. Levy was on a panel with Al-Quds Al-Arabi editor-in-chief Abdel Bari Atwan, NAF Strategic Program Director Steve Clemons, surreal Hamas apologist and one-stater Allister Sparks, and accused terrorist Basheer Nafi.
Daniel Levy sounds like a guy that would be welcomed with open arms at HuffPo.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:13:09am |
re: #148 NJDhockeyfan
Do you think that, after receiving 7% of their funding from Soros, it's fair to call J-Street "Foot soldiers in Soros's anti-Israel army"?
Also, this is the quote that they're depending on to slam Levy.
I believe the way Jewish history was in 1948 excused – for me, it was good enough for me – an act that was wrong. I don’t expect Palestinians to think that.
I can't actually make head or tail of that. What does he mean by 'it was good enough for me'?
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:14:29am |
re: #145 Obdicut
Then please explain the similarities. Shouldn't be that hard for you.
People were more than willing to blame a FD that wasn't under contract for failure to help. In this case we have evidence that the the lefts ideal employee model is killing people. People were willing to jump to the conclusion that the feds needed to do something to protect rural people from fire, why not jump to the same conclusions here?
The feds need to step in and fix the problem and since the government employee union contract isn't doing the job then privatization might be the only answer. It's for the children, you don't hate children do you?
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:15:20am |
re: #150 RogueOne
I'm sorry, I asked you to explain the similarities. You haven't done so.
Would you like to actually try and make a coherent argument?
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:16:05am |
re: #147 Obdicut
Wow. Not only gay-bashing-- gay-bashing in the Stonewall Inn.
That's fucked up. That's like mugging a vet on Omaha Beach.
[Link: abclocal.go.com...]
People are twisted. Yesterday I watched a story about the VA home invasion killer and they mentioned that after he raped and killed the 11 yr old he stopped to take pics with his cellphone.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:17:14am |
re: #150 RogueOne
People were more than willing to blame a FD that wasn't under contract for failure to help. In this case we have evidence that the the lefts ideal employee model is killing people. People were willing to jump to the conclusion that the feds needed to do something to protect rural people from fire, why not jump to the same conclusions here?
The feds need to step in and fix the problem and since the government employee union contract isn't doing the job then privatization might be the only answer. It's for the children, you don't hate children do you?
Glenn Beck sided with the FD...so they've got that going for them.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:18:40am |
re: #152 RogueOne
They caught one of the attackers, which is cool:
Eventually the police apprehended them due to the work of these three guys, the bar back in particular as I understand it. It should be noted that the staff of the Stonewall are some bad ass, take no shit hombres. My kind of queers. I would very much like to buy them a drink.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:21:48am |
re: #151 Obdicut
I'm sorry, I asked you to explain the similarities. You haven't done so.
Would you like to actually try and make a coherent argument?
You get the similarities, you just don't like having the shoe put on your feet.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:22:21am |
re: #153 darthstar
Glenn Beck sided with the FD...so they've got that going for them.
I wouldn't know. Why would you watch Beck to find out?
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:24:30am |
re: #155 RogueOne
You get the similarities, you just don't like having the shoe put on your feet.
No, I don't. I don't think there are similarities. I think you're attempting to relate an incident that has no similarities, in order to fit your fantasies.
So please make an actual argument. I know it's really not your style, but you might be up to it.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:24:36am |
re: #156 RogueOne
I wouldn't know. Why would you watch Beck to find out?
I don't watch Beck. He was quoted on other news programs saying he thought the FD was right to watch that guy's house burn. If they put it out, nobody would pay the $75...real sensitiivity.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:27:33am |
re: #152 RogueOne
Then there was the home invasion that ended up with three victims dead in CT. Not only did Steven J. Hayes, a former parolee who was found guilty of a brutal home invasion in Connecticut that left three members of a family dead, on 16 of the 17 counts, but the brutality of the crimes is just unspeakable.
The guy murdered the three members of Petit family - brutally raped and murdered the mother, beat the father, and murdered the daughters before torching the daughters (and the medical examiner found that the daughters died of smoke inhalation).
Hayes faces the possibility of the death penalty on 6 of the counts.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:28:48am |
re: #160 lawhawk
Hayes faces the possibility of the death penalty on 6 of the counts
A shame he couldn't die six seperate times!
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:30:09am |
re: #160 lawhawk
The gaybashers at Stonewall are just fucking stupid. They're lucky they got out of the bar without just getting absolutely stomped.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:34:47am |
Hmmm,, wonder if they file joint or seperate tax returns !?!?
[Link: www.boston.com...]
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:35:54am |
re: #163 sattv4u2
Hmmm,, wonder if they file joint or seperate tax returns !?!?
[Link: www.boston.com...]
ooppsss ,, wait ,, it's her BROTHERS returns that SHE filed!!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:36:05am |
Fox News Duped By Report That Los Angeles Will Spend $1 Billion On Jetpacks (VIDEO)
Where on earth could such an out-of-this-world report come from?Gawker first noted that it probably came from a story in the Weekly World News. For those who haven't noticed the publication in supermarket checkout lines, their logo features Bat Boy and they've broken such exclusives as "Dick Cheney is a Robot," "Satan Captured by GIs in Iraq," and "Hillary Clinton Adopts Alien Baby."
Story continues belowYou can't make this stuff up.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:36:14am |
re: #162 Obdicut
I read that the muggers in that incident didn't know about the bar's history as a backdrop to the Stonewall Riots and the gay rights movement in NYC and the US in general, (but can't find that report at the moment) - and in any event find that not particularly credible since West Village establishments are quite open about their gay pride and openness and tolerance.
However, some other reports indicate that there might have been more to this bar fight.
According to the New York Daily News, Don Orlando said his son Christopher wants to apologize to Carver, who needed stitches above his eyebrow because of the attack,"We are a working class family," said Don Orlando, according to the Daily News. "We don't hate anyone here."
"I'm not going to sugarcoat what happened," said the father from Staten Island. "It was a bar fight, but I swear on my life it's not about Gays or race or any of that. We don't care about any of that stuff in this family."
The Daily News also reports that co-defendant Francis has a lesbian sister, Deana Francis, who is angry at Orlando’s attorney for arguing that her brother initiated the assault. She told the newspaper, "It takes two to tango. My brother isn't the only one at fault here. There is a lot more to this story."
Also, there was another apparent gay bashing incident over the same weekend not far from the Stonewall.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:38:02am |
re: #165 Killgore Trout
Fox News Duped By Report That Los Angeles Will Spend $1 Billion On Jetpacks (VIDEO)
they were mildly skeptical when first discussing the concept and retracted the report within an hour.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:39:05am |
re: #166 lawhawk
Well, the way that the victim told it, the gay stuff was actually incidental to their attempts to roll him. It sounded more like a mugging with a light veneer of gaybashing.
They're also trying to avoid the hate crime charge right now, so I'm going to take what they're saying with a grain of salt.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:39:11am |
re: #165 Killgore Trout
Fox News Duped By Report That Los Angeles Will Spend $1 Billion On Jetpacks (VIDEO)
You could put out a story that shit-sandwiches are healthy and tasty and Fox & Friends would eat one on air.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:40:05am |
re: #169 darthstar
You could put out a story that shit-sandwiches are healthy and tasty and Fox & Friends would eat one on air.
Only if the story also said that the liberals were trying to ban them.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:44:38am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:47:27am |
re: #174 HoosierHoops
yes..What's kick'n chick'n?
A personal favor, if you could
Add my mother to the prayer list, please
My sister called me last night. Mom was taken to the ER and then admitted. They were giving her a blood transfusion (her's was very low ,, registered a "7" whereas 'normal" is in the 14-15 range
Now, this morning they're talking about transferring her to a hospital in Boston for dialysis
I'm sitting by the phone at work waiting for my sisters to call to see if I have to fly up there today
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:49:24am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:51:59am |
The neonazi Sweden Democrats are in the news this morning...
Press reacts to Sweden Democrat 'spectacle'
Leader pages across Sweden condemned as petty and immature the Sweden Democrats’ walking out on a bishop’s speech about racism on Tuesday
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:52:24am |
re: #175 sattv4u2
Prayers for you and yours sattv4u2.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:54:43am |
Funny
We always thought my dad would be the one with health issues
They're both 86, but my dad is an alcoholoc (recovering ,, hasn't had a drink in 27 years),, took early retirement over 30 years ago and doesn't have any hobbies, interests, ect. Just sits home for the most part watching TV
Mom on the other hand has always been go Go GO!!
Worked up till last year, always traveling, always on the go
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:55:22am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:57:03am |
re: #183 sattv4u2
Wow. My dad was retired for 10 years before he died I considered that a good record.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:57:21am |
re: #175 sattv4u2
Good luck and thoughts and prayers to you and yours...
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:58:13am |
re: #184 sattv4u2
How's your dad taking it?
Don't forget to take care of yourself, too. Grief can make one neglect one's self. Your mom wouldn't want that.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:59:14am |
The wingnuts got distracted and forgot to get outraged over this....
Gitmo Detainee Trial Starts In NYC With Little Fanfare Despite Initial Opposition
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:00:09am |
re: #188 Killgore Trout
Their attention spans are pretty short. I haven't heard jack shit about the Mosque since the 'omg the architecture is going to kill us' bit, and even that was a minor thing.
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calochortus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:00:12am |
re: #165 Killgore Trout
Fox News Duped By Report That Los Angeles Will Spend $1 Billion On Jetpacks (VIDEO)
I also noticed the comment about putting on an oxygen mask and going up to 8000 feet. I've hiked higher than that on my own two feet, but it might explain the lack of intelligence in their commentary. They need oxygen masks at sea level.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:00:20am |
re: #175 sattv4u2
A personal favor, if you could
Add my mother to the prayer list, please
My sister called me last night. Mom was taken to the ER and then admitted. They were giving her a blood transfusion (her's was very low ,, registered a "7" whereas 'normal" is in the 14-15 rangeNow, this morning they're talking about transferring her to a hospital in Boston for dialysis
I'm sitting by the phone at work waiting for my sisters to call to see if I have to fly up there today
I added her..Best of luck to your mom satt
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:00:20am |
re: #188 Killgore Trout
The wingnuts got distracted and forgot to get outraged over this...
Gitmo Detainee Trial Starts In NYC With Little Fanfare Despite Initial Opposition
Unfortunately, they're already running into problems due to the fact that most of the evidence against these guys was obtained while "under duress":
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
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calochortus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:00:44am |
re: #175 sattv4u2
I'm so sorry. All the best to your mom.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:02:35am |
re: #192 iossarian
Unfortunately, they're already running into problems due to the fact that most of the evidence against these guys was obtained while "under duress":
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
No biggie. Deport him to Egypt.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:02:46am |
re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wow. My dad was retired for 10 years before he died I considered that a good record.
Dad was a butcher
Worked as a civilian at the old Chelsea (Mass) Navy Shipyard right after he got out of the service at the end of WW2
When Nixon closed the base ([payback for Mass being the only state he didn't carry in the re-election in 72) dad was offered either a transfer to one in Rhode Island early retirement
No brainer,,, 90% pension and didn't have to move
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:03:15am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:03:49am |
re: #187 Obdicut
How's your dad taking it?
Don't forget to take care of yourself, too. Grief can make one neglect one's self. Your mom wouldn't want that.
Dads a tough old WW2 Navy man
Doesn't get rattled. He's the one calming my sisters down now, I'm sure
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:04:27am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:05:49am |
re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar
No biggie. Deport him to Egypt.
What do you have against Egypt !?!?!
//
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:05:54am |
re: #188 Killgore Trout
Except that the trial of Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani is now in limbo because the judge is refusing to allow a government witness who claims to have sold Ghailani weapons.
"The court has not reached this conclusion lightly," Kaplan wrote. "It is acutely aware of the perilous nature of the world in which we live. But the Constitution is the rock upon which our nation rests. We must follow it not when it is convenient, but when fear and danger beckon in a different direction."The government immediately asked for a delay of the trial, which had been expected to begin with opening statements on Wednesday, so that it has time to appeal the ruling, should it decide to do so.
The judge sent a pool of 66 jurors home until Tuesday, but not before warning them against hearing anything about the case from news reports or discussing it with anyone.
Ghailani is charged with conspiring in the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. The attacks killed 224 people, including a dozen Americans.
The witness in question is Hussein Abebe, testified about his dealings with authorities, 3 weeks ago in a hearing. Judge Kaplan found that the government failed to prove that Abebe's testimony is sufficiently attenuated from Ghailani's coerced statements to permit its receipt in evidence.
Abebe was apparently discovered as a witness after statements Ghailani made while in CIA custody where it is alleged that he was subject to torture/enhanced interrogations.
Ghailani is a Tanzanian who was captured following the embassy bombings in Africa. That compares with Shahzad, who was captured on US soil by law enforcement for carrying out an attack in Times Square (which happened to be a fizzle).
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:06:20am |
re: #194 filetandrelease
Outrageous outrage! I am outraged right now! OUTRAGED I TELL YOU!!!
/
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filetandrelease Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:07:59am |
re: #202 iossarian
I take it, you think the add is effective marketing?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:10:18am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:10:55am |
re: #200 sattv4u2
What do you have against Egypt !?!?!
//
They won't rent me a Pyramid for a party. And I need belly dancers.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:10:57am |
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:11:15am |
Today is great! I'm working from home using VPN, Blogging at LGF and watching Robin Hood on the Big screen..Does it get better than this?
Winston wants me to take him for a walk.. He loves walking on Campus and all the attention he gets..
Can't you tell I'm working here Winston? Hehehe
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:11:32am |
re: #206 Cannadian Club Akbar
They won't rent me a Pyramid for a party. And I need belly dancers.
Fat Veggie has a good size belly
Maybe he'll dance for you!
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Bubblehead II Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:11:34am |
re: #175 sattv4u2
Here's wishing your Mother a speedy recovery.
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:11:43am |
re: #203 filetandrelease
I take it, you think the add is effective marketing?
What I think is that the ad it is an effective way of communicating the scientific consensus that, if we don't significantly reduce our consumption of fossil fuels, our descendants are likely to face extreme hardship as a result of the resulting change in the earth's climate.
Of course, the deniers will claim OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE and claim a false equivalence between this ad and, say, a right-wing political ad putting a target on a left-wing politician (the equivalence is false because in the original ad, the victim is not the "enemy to be taken out", but an innocent future victim of climate change).
If you doubt the scientific consensus, please say so and I'm sure that plenty of people will post all the relevant links and details. Again.
Does that answer your question?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:12:14am |
re: #208 HoosierHoops
Today is great! I'm working from home using VPN, Blogging at LGF and watching Robin Hood on the Big screen..Does it get better than this?
Winston wants me to take him for a walk.. He loves walking on Campus and all the attention he gets..
Can't you tell I'm working here Winston? Hehehe
I'd be working Winston for some Co-ed sluts.
//I have no morals
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filetandrelease Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:12:28am |
re: #207 sattv4u2
My concern is the add is counter productive. Pissing off the skeptics is not going to bring any around.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:12:53am |
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:13:01am |
re: #211 iossarian
The ad is basically in the tradition of hard-hitting ads against certain damaging behaviors (e.g., drink-driving ads that show children dying as a result of car crashes, or home-safety ads that show children drowning in unattended bathtubs).
There is more of a tradition of such ads in the UK than in the US, it seems. They have been shown to be very effective in curbing such behaviors.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:13:38am |
re: #158 Obdicut
No, I don't. I don't think there are similarities. I think you're attempting to relate an incident that has no similarities, in order to fit your fantasies.
So please make an actual argument. I know it's really not your style, but you might be up to it.
You know the argument but I know it's hard to break out of your partisan shell so I'll break it down into little chunks for you:
IF:
Gov't employee+ privatization +no contract+house burned down=Callous Libertarian Utopian Failure that must be stopped by federal action
THEN:
Gov't employee+unionized+contract+civilian death= Callous Liberal Utopian Failure that must be stopped by federal action.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:13:41am |
re: #203 filetandrelease
I take it, you think the add is effective marketing?
The ad is meant to get an emotional response. Obviously, people don't give a shit about polar bears...so think of the children?
Personally, the ad doesn't work for me, but it's getting attention (albeit negative)...maybe that was the point.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:13:57am |
re: #213 filetandrelease
My concern is the add is counter productive. Pissing off the skeptics is not going to bring any around.
I agree
It's like when the anti-fur people run up to someone and throw a can of paint onto that persons fur coat
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:14:19am |
re: #162 Obdicut
The gaybashers at Stonewall are just fucking stupid. They're lucky they got out of the bar without just getting absolutely stomped.
There are some fluffies mot to be riffled with.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:14:19am |
I'm buying Hoops a "Nebraska Football" tee shirt for Christmas. Heh.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:14:28am |
re: #159 darthstar
I don't watch Beck. He was quoted on other news programs saying he thought the FD was right to watch that guy's house burn. If they put it out, nobody would pay the $75...real sensitiivity.
I think that came from a quote from the fire chief. I read a local story where he said that when they used to go out 1/2 the people didn't pay.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:14:36am |
re: #212 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'd be working Winston for some Co-ed sluts.
//I have no morals
Heck no..I want to hook up with a cute professor lady.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:14:51am |
re: #207 sattv4u2
The ad is gross
Both of them are. One is blowing up children and the other is hanging them. How could anyone support these disgusting ads?
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:15:30am |
re: #213 filetandrelease
My concern is the add is counter productive. Pissing off the skeptics is not going to bring any around.
Pissing off the skeptics? HAHAHAHAHA.
The skeptics that are "pissed off" by this ad are never going to be convinced.
This ad is aimed at encouraging those people who acknowledge the problem, but are so far not concerned enough to take action, to get off the fence.
Again, as with the drink-driving ads. If you have convinced yourself that drink-driving does not cause accidents, you may well be "pissed-off" by a graphic ad showing the consequences. But that doesn't give you a right to complain, because your original belief is delusional.
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filetandrelease Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:16:04am |
re: #215 iossarian
My concern is that currently AGW is taking a big hit politically. This add is only doing more damage. By keeping this type of crap up, it pushes any actual dialog which might be used to convince skeptics something needs to be done, further away.
Later
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:16:21am |
re: #222 HoosierHoops
Heck no..I want to hook up with a cute professor lady.
A cute 42 year old professor is fine.
2 21year olds is the same end sum game.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:16:38am |
re: #222 HoosierHoops
Heck no..I want to hook up with a cute professor lady.
Awesome. Go check out the political groups, all of them.
Heck, even local personal ads. I have known quite a few people where that has worked out for them.
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:17:14am |
re: #216 RogueOne
You know the argument but I know it's hard to break out of your partisan shell so I'll break it down into little chunks for you:
IF:
Gov't employee+ privatization +no contract+house burned down=Callous Libertarian Utopian Failure that must be stopped by federal actionTHEN:
Gov't employee+unionized+contract+civilian death= Callous Liberal Utopian Failure that must be stopped by federal action.
The problem is that, in the Fire Department case, the failure is one of policy. In the police case, the failure is one of the individual - the policy was (presumably) correct.
In the fire situation, the individual case indicates that the policy is wrong. In the police situation, the individual case shows that the (correct) policy is not being implemented well enough.
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Ericus58 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:17:26am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:17:43am |
re: #220 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm buying Hoops a "Nebraska Football" tee shirt for Christmas. Heh.
Or a Hook Em Horns one!
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:18:05am |
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:18:14am |
re: #223 NJDhockeyfan
Both of them are. One is blowing up children and the other is hanging them. How could anyone support these disgusting ads?
Again, would you support a "disgusting" ad that reduced the annual deaths of children due to drink driving by 50%?
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:18:34am |
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:18:39am |
re: #220 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm buying Hoops a "Nebraska Football" tee shirt for Christmas. Heh.
A Texas Jersey on Campus will give you about 6 minutes of life on this earth..
You try explaining that to Saint Peter..
SP: You did what?
Me: Yes I did it.. I wore a Texas jersey to OU
SP: I'm sending you to Hell just on general principles..Plus stupidity
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:18:51am |
re: #226 Cannadian Club Akbar
A cute 42 year old professor is fine.
2 21year olds is the same end sum game.
Nobody said there would be math!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:19:25am |
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Ericus58 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:19:51am |
re: #211 iossarian
What I think is that the ad it is an effective way of communicating the scientific consensus that, if we don't significantly reduce our consumption of fossil fuels, our descendants are likely to face extreme hardship as a result of the resulting change in the earth's climate.
Of course, the deniers will claim OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE and claim a false equivalence between this ad and, say, a right-wing political ad putting a target on a left-wing politician (the equivalence is false because in the original ad, the victim is not the "enemy to be taken out", but an innocent future victim of climate change).
If you doubt the scientific consensus, please say so and I'm sure that plenty of people will post all the relevant links and details. Again.
Does that answer your question?
One doesn't have to be a Denier to have an issue with this ad.
It's uncalled for.
And no, I'm not a Denier.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:20:50am |
re: #187 Obdicut
How's your dad taking it?
Don't forget to take care of yourself, too. Grief can make one neglect one's self. Your mom wouldn't want that.
Thanks , btw ,
I'm just like my father in that I don't get rattled or emotional. It is what it is. She's where she needs to be (in the hospital)
I'm 1,000 miles away. I will go up there but not until I get more info
If she's stable, I'll wait till next week when (hopefully) she's been discharged and I can spend time with erh at their house
If she's not stable, I will go up there tonight or in the morning
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:21:09am |
re: #237 Ericus58
One doesn't have to be a Denier to have an issue with this ad.
It's uncalled for.
And no, I'm not a Denier.
I'll ask my question again: if a similarly shocking ad had the effect of reducing child deaths due to drink-driving by 50%, would it be worth showing it?
This is not a hypothetical question: the significant decline in drink-driving deaths in the UK since the 60s is largely attributed to ad campaigns similar to this one.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:21:16am |
re: #232 iossarian
Again, would you support a "disgusting" ad that reduced the annual deaths of children due to drink driving by 50%?
I have never seen one made. Nobody want's to see an ad showing children getting murdered unless they are sickos.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:21:29am |
re: #223 NJDhockeyfan
Both of them are. One is blowing up children and the other is hanging them. How could anyone support these disgusting ads?
I thought it was funny but I'm a little off.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:21:57am |
re: #235 darthstar
Nobody said there would be math!
Hi, Darth! There have been some excellent diaries at Kos the last couple of days. They are keeping my spirits up.
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:22:03am |
re: #240 NJDhockeyfan
I have never seen one made. Nobody want's to see an ad showing children getting murdered unless they are sickos.
See my #239 above. Such ads have been very effective in the UK.
It's not about what you "want to see" (though that's probably why they don't get made in the US, of course).
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:22:13am |
re: #237 Ericus58
One doesn't have to be a Denier to have an issue with this ad.
It's uncalled for.
And no, I'm not a Denier.
Niether am I
And so do I !!!
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:22:16am |
re: #216 RogueOne
You know the argument but I know it's hard to break out of your partisan shell so I'll break it down into little chunks for you:
IF:
Gov't employee+ privatization +no contract+house burned down=Callous Libertarian Utopian Failure that must be stopped by federal actionTHEN:
Gov't employee+unionized+contract+civilian death= Callous Liberal Utopian Failure that must be stopped by federal action.
You really feel that's an argument? That's hilarious.
The police officer wasn't following policy; policy was to help. The officer was acting alone, not in a group. What he should have done was rush the girl to the hospital, since CPR/Rescue breathing is really unlikely to save the girl. The officer was, apparently, a complete asshole who didn't understand or want to understand the seriousness of the situation, attempting to write a ticket during the incident. But he wasn't refusing help based on a foolish, asinine policy, but due to the dickishness of his own heart.
Your comparison fails.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:22:31am |
re: #232 iossarian
Again, would you support a "disgusting" ad that reduced the annual deaths of children due to drink driving by 50%?
I saw a documentary (I guess) called Prom Night (I think) Hosted by Dan Rather, was about kids on their prom night. They had actual footage of the accident and pulling a body out of the car. Very powerful. The camera was actually thrown from the car.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:22:56am |
re: #228 iossarian
The problem is that, in the Fire Department case, the failure is one of policy. In the police case, the failure is one of the individual - the policy was (presumably) correct.
In the fire situation, the individual case indicates that the policy is wrong. In the police situation, the individual case shows that the (correct) policy is not being implemented well enough.
Very good answer.
I would argue that protecting government employees to the point they're able to let people die rather than help may as well make the policy "let people die if you want".
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:23:16am |
re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar
I saw a documentary (I guess) called Prom Night (I think) Hosted by Dan Rather, was about kids on their prom night. They had actual footage of the accident and pulling a body out of the car. Very powerful. The camera was actually thrown from the car.
Exactly. Should such footage be banned for being "sick"?
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:23:56am |
re: #245 Obdicut
Also, in the aftermath of the incident: The NYPD is investigating and suspended the officer. In the aftermath of the fire incident, they expanded the policy.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:24:16am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:24:36am |
re: #248 iossarian
Exactly. Should such footage be banned for being "sick"?
I would actually call it powerful.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:25:13am |
re: #245 Obdicut
I'm not arguing with you anymore.// Iossarian presents a good argument, you should sit back and watch him/her defend their ideology and take notes.
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:25:23am |
re: #247 RogueOne
Very good answer.
I would argue that protecting government employees to the point they're able to let people die rather than help may as well make the policy "let people die if you want".
I agree about the "protecting employees" part. It is a problem. I think that, in the long run, it is a worthwhile part of the policy, because the job security the policy entails allows the government to pay below the market rate (or, looking at it another way, the costs incurred by providing job security are an alternative way of paying the market rate). This is the same situation as with teachers. If you want the freedom to fire bad teachers, you need to pay the good ones a whole lot more.
But there will always be situations where you get burned, such as this one.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:26:18am |
re: #242 prairiefire
Hi, Darth! There have been some excellent diaries at Kos the last couple of days. They are keeping my spirits up.
Yes, there have...but now that O'Donnell is pretty much out of it, I wouldn't mind more attention being paid to Angle, Paul, Buck, etc. The Democrats have an opportunity to keep their losses at a minimum, and even pick up a few Republican seats to offset the blue-dog losses (which, I admit, I dnn't fret over one bit - fuck the blue dogs).
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Four More Tears Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:27:24am |
I... I think I'm about to break up with someone because they love their iPhone too much. I'm really conflicted and have a very boggled mind right now...
I should probably wait until I become unboggled before I come to any conclusion.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:27:27am |
re: #252 RogueOne
I'm not arguing with you anymore.// Iossarian presents a good argument, you should sit back and watch him/her defend their ideology and take notes.
Heh. I gave the exact same argument as Iossarian. I cited the same exact things: that it was policy for the FD not to help, whereas it was an individual decision for the police officer to be a dick.
What exactly is the difference between what Iossarian said and what I did?
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:27:42am |
re: #250 NJDhockeyfan
If they so effective in the UK why was this one stopped from being aired?
Because people make a tradeoff between the graphic nature of the ads and their beneficial consequences. Obviously sometimes ads fall one side of the line, and sometimes they fall the other side.
This does not invalidate my point that such ads can be highly effective, and that the global warming one fits in this general tradition.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:27:47am |
re: #253 iossarian
Nothing is perfect. I was having some fun putting the shoes on the other feet for people. No matter the policy or people involved there are always going to be situations where there's failure.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:27:57am |
re: #256 JasonA
I... I think I'm about to break up with someone because they love their iPhone too much. I'm really conflicted and have a very boggled mind right now...
I should probably wait until I become unboggled before I come to any conclusion.
Don't.
Wait for awhile. Irritation is a powerful drug.
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:28:54am |
re: #252 RogueOne
Him! I'm careful with personal information online, but for the sake of the English language I will reveal this tidbit.
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:29:22am |
re: #138 lawhawk
I propose drug tests for all politicians - both as candidates and while in office, because there's got to be some folks who are on to some serious stuff when they come up with their inane proposals.
You were very charitable to use the word 'inane' there!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:29:22am |
re: #256 JasonA
I... I think I'm about to break up with someone because they love their iPhone too much. I'm really conflicted and have a very boggled mind right now...
I should probably wait until I become unboggled before I come to any conclusion.
Take a hammer to it.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:29:26am |
re: #259 RogueOne
No policy is ever perfect does not mean that all policies are equally good, though.
The fire department one, for example, sucks. So does the policy of making fire protection a voluntary thing to sign up for, rather than paid for by tax.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:29:39am |
re: #257 Obdicut
Heh. I gave the exact same argument as Iossarian. I cited the same exact things: that it was policy for the FD not to help, whereas it was an individual decision for the police officer to be a dick.
What exactly is the difference between what Iossarian said and what I did?
You wish. It may have sounded like it in your head but your argument usually revolves around the "the meaning of the word "is"".
You are the 2nd easiest guy to get going around here. I won't name names on the easiest. It would take out all the fun for me.
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Ericus58 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:30:14am |
re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar
I saw a documentary (I guess) called Prom Night (I think) Hosted by Dan Rather, was about kids on their prom night. They had actual footage of the accident and pulling a body out of the car. Very powerful. The camera was actually thrown from the car.
Yes, I agree. Very compelling, and I think appropriate.
That is quite different though from an ad that has kids getting blown up because they disagree with a belief or action.
Try using images of an area/region where the kids live and the potential impact to the ecosystem and their lives from climate change. Then show them ways they can help to be a difference.
Pretty simple.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:30:46am |
re: #265 RogueOne
You wish. It may have sounded like it in your head but your argument usually revolves around the "the meaning of the word "is"".
You are the 2nd easiest guy to get going around here. I won't name names on the easiest. It would take out all the fun for me.
Then explain the difference, Rogue, between my argument and his. Shouldn't be hard, right?
I'm not sure why making a claim that you're trolling is supposed to do anything good for you, either.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:31:06am |
Ok, now I actually have work I have to do. Enjoy your day all.
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:31:15am |
re: #266 Ericus58
Yes, I agree. Very compelling, and I think appropriate.
That is quite different though from an ad that has kids getting blown up because they disagree with a belief or action.
Try using images of an area/region where the kids live and the potential impact to the ecosystem and their lives from climate change. Then show them ways they can help to be a difference.
Pretty simple.
This is a very necessary debate about what the appropriate way is to communicate the probable impact of climate change. Got to run now though...
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:31:22am |
re: #266 Ericus58
I completely agree, and I consider AGW the most important modern issue. This is like the Grayson ad: unnecessarily stupid.
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Four More Tears Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:32:15am |
re: #260 Obdicut
Don't.
Wait for awhile. Irritation is a powerful drug.
I know, I know. It's just... I take a very valid dig at Apple, refuse to back down, and all of a sudden it's "Well, I guess we don't need to talk until I get home tonight since you'd rather not deal with an iPhone." I mean wtf? Ignoring my texts over this? Jesus...
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:32:30am |
re: #258 iossarian
Because people make a tradeoff between the graphic nature of the ads and their beneficial consequences. Obviously sometimes ads fall one side of the line, and sometimes they fall the other side.
This does not invalidate my point that such ads can be highly effective, and that the global warming one fits in this general tradition.
It was effective all right. Now a lot more people see the 10:10 group as a bunch of fucking sick idiots.
Epic FAIL!
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:33:53am |
re: #256 JasonA
I... I think I'm about to break up with someone because they love their iPhone too much. I'm really conflicted and have a very boggled mind right now...
I should probably wait until I become unboggled before I come to any conclusion.
There's an app for that.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:34:11am |
re: #271 JasonA
Is there a "it's not you, it's me" App?
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Four More Tears Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:34:30am |
re: #273 darthstar
There's an app for that.
Oh that joke has come up in my head at least a dozen times so far...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:34:31am |
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:34:51am |
re: #271 JasonA
That's what I mean. You're irritated, she's irritated-- it forms a cycle.
There's actually a biological reason for it, if it helps:
When you get mad, angry, irritated, or whatever, your system gets flooded with hormones and other crap that 'causes' you to feel the ragey emotions. Those hormones don't dissipate in the instant you realize they should-- or that she realizes they should. They remain, provoking, like a devil on the shoulder.
Before you can make a ration decision, you need to let those hormones drain out. So does she. There's no way to magic them away intellectually.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:36:07am |
re: #277 Obdicut
To hell with that. Give her a Cleveland Steamer and be done with it.
//Just gross.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:36:38am |
MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell says racist remark about Michael Steele.
Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson to demand his firing in 5...4...3...
//
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Four More Tears Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:37:34am |
re: #277 Obdicut
That's what I mean. You're irritated, she's irritated-- it forms a cycle.
There's actually a biological reason for it, if it helps:
When you get mad, angry, irritated, or whatever, your system gets flooded with hormones and other crap that 'causes' you to feel the ragey emotions. Those hormones don't dissipate in the instant you realize they should-- or that she realizes they should. They remain, provoking, like a devil on the shoulder.
Before you can make a ration decision, you need to let those hormones drain out. So does she. There's no way to magic them away intellectually.
Umm... she's not letting it go. She's pushing hard.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:39:23am |
Apropos of nothing, I'd just like to say I hope that the Tampa Bay Rays beat the living fuck out of Texas today in Game 1.
Beat.
The.
Living.
Fuck.
Out.
Of.
Them.
Okay...let the Playoffs begin. I'm ready.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:40:04am |
re: #281 darthstar
Apropos of nothing, I'd just like to say I hope that the Tampa Bay Rays beat the living fuck out of Texas today in Game 1.
Beat.
The.
Living.
Fuck.
Out.
Of.
Them.Okay...let the Playoffs begin. I'm ready.
I love you man.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:40:43am |
re: #280 JasonA
Umm... she's not letting it go. She's pushing hard.
Well, I'm not trying to give you advice about what to do, at all-- just not to do it when you're annoyed. If you're in a circumstance where she's continuing to annoy you for days, then, well, I think that says something on its own.
Best of luck, man.
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Four More Tears Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:41:09am |
re: #283 Obdicut
Well, I'm not trying to give you advice about what to do, at all-- just not to do it when you're annoyed. If you're in a circumstance where she's continuing to annoy you for days, then, well, I think that says something on its own.
Best of luck, man.
Oy. Thanks.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:41:18am |
re: #281 darthstar
As a Yankee fan, I can't help but cheer that assertion.
Oh, and anyone but the Phillies. Not only because I can't stand the team, but because the fans are so awful.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:43:46am |
re: #282 Cannadian Club Akbar
I love you man.
My wife casually said, "Would you like tickets to Thursday or Friday night's playoff game?"
I said, "Only if they're free."
She said, "They're "sold out"...I can't get free tickets to playoff games, but I can probably buy you one. Let me see what I can do."
I love her.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:44:51am |
re: #286 darthstar
My BIL has a friend that works for MLB. I'm working on WS tix.
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Ericus58 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:45:01am |
re: #272 NJDhockeyfan
It was effective all right. Now a lot more people see the 10:10 group as a bunch of fucking sick idiots.
Epic FAIL!
10:10 made a terrible decision in regards to marketing.
Dark humor when used should have the audience in mind. If they had left out the children/teacher clip, most would have been okay with it - including myself.
If I was a kid in the U.K., I'd be checking my teacher's desk for any boxes with red buttons.//
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:45:30am |
re: #271 JasonA
I know, I know. It's just... I take a very valid dig at Apple, refuse to back down, and all of a sudden it's "Well, I guess we don't need to talk until I get home tonight since you'd rather not deal with an iPhone." I mean wtf? Ignoring my texts over this? Jesus...
You young 'ens.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:45:31am |
re: #285 lawhawk
As a Yankee fan, I can't help but cheer that assertion.
Oh, and anyone but the Phillies. Not only because I can't stand the team, but because the fans are so awful.
I just don't like Texas (though I did live in the West Texas town of El Paso when I was a toddler, but alas, nighttime didn't find me in Rose's cantina)
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:49:08am |
re: #271 JasonA
I know, I know. It's just... I take a very valid dig at Apple, refuse to back down, and all of a sudden it's "Well, I guess we don't need to talk until I get home tonight since you'd rather not deal with an iPhone." I mean wtf? Ignoring my texts over this? Jesus...
In her defense, it is an iphone, maybe she didn't get your texts...
//
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Ziggy Standard Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:50:36am |
re: #194 filetandrelease
Linking to Jammiewearing fool? Not smart.
In any case the ad merely suggests the possible impact of global warming on future generations. They are not suggesting that children be hanged.
Jesus.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:52:47am |
re: #225 filetandrelease
My concern is that currently AGW is taking a big hit politically. This add is only doing more damage. By keeping this type of crap up, it pushes any actual dialog which might be used to convince skeptics something needs to be done, further away.
Later
Oh, you're "concerned," eh?
As a global warming denier yourself, I'd think you'd be happy to see anything that you can use for propaganda. Do you really think anyone who knows your commenting history is going to believe in your sudden "concern?"
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:53:43am |
re: #293 Jimmah
Linking to Jammiewearing fool? Not smart.
In any case the ad merely suggests the possible impact of global warming on future generations. They are not suggesting that children be hanged.
Jesus.
I think we just got a look at what 'filetandrelease' is really up to at LGF.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:58:26am |
re: #295 Charles
I think we just got a look at what 'filetandrelease' is really up to at LGF.
Look who the first commenter is over there.. RealWest
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:58:36am |
All right. Gotta go into work early so I can baby sit a kid I have named "stoopid". See ya'll tonight.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:59:35am |
Poll: Christine O'Donnell trailing badly
A new poll shows Republican Christine O'Donnell badly trailing Democrat Chris Coons in a Delaware Senate race that Republicans were heavily favored to win until the tea party-backed O'Donnell pulled off an upset in the GOP primary last month.
The survey released Wednesday by Fairleigh Dickinson University-PublicMind found Coons leading O'Donnell 53 percent to 36 percent. It shows O'Donnell struggling within her own party, with only about two-thirds of Republicans saying they support her.
It also found that O'Donnell's primary opponent, Rep. Mike Castle, would have a strong lead if he were the GOP nominee.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:59:57am |
re: #293 Jimmah
Linking to Jammiewearing fool? Not smart.
It's kind of hard to miss the deranged animosity toward me at that site. Why would someone who enjoys reading that kind of sick hatred also want to hang out at LGF?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:01:02am |
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Ziggy Standard Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:01:14am |
re: #295 Charles
I think we just got a look at what 'filetandrelease' is really up to at LGF.
Yep. It gets tiring to see the same old routine being played over and over.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:03:10am |
re: #300 NJDhockeyfan
Put a fork in her, she's done.
Next!
But Rush said Patriotism and sticking to your conservative guns would be able to make up a silly 15 point margin in the polls!
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:03:49am |
re: #298 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I trailed badly after eating too many magic chocolates once...it ain't fun.
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Ziggy Standard Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:04:10am |
re: #299 Charles
It's kind of hard to miss the deranged animosity toward me at that site. Why would someone who enjoys reading that kind of sick hatred also want to hang out at LGF?
He was here when JWF got the boot - he totally knows the deal with that creep.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:04:27am |
Just for the record, 'jammiewearingfool' is a first class stalker and a creep, who registered three accounts at LGF and posted this comment with one of them before he was blocked:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
This is a guy who I trusted to be an LGF monitor, and who I let post thousands of links to his crappy blog, so many that people complained about him blog-pimping. He's a back-stabbing, two-faced, dishonest, thoroughly rotten human being.
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:04:31am |
re: #298 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Am I the only one enjoying the irony that the poll was carried out by the same university from which Ms. O'Donnell falsely claimed to have graduated?
I hope not.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:04:46am |
re: #302 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
But Rush said Patriotism and sticking to your conservative guns would be able to make up a silly 15 point margin in the polls!
I don't listen to Rush. Did he really say that?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:06:22am |
re: #298 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Foul!!1!
Fraud!!
Bias!
The poll was done by Fairly Ridiculous. She still has outstanding fines for illegally parking her broom.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:08:29am |
re: #307 NJDhockeyfan
I don't listen to Rush. Did he really say that?
No. I was wrong.
He said she could make up trailing by 25 points.
[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]
". The polls say she'll lose by 25 points; that Castle will win by 20 points. But who knows this? The election's a long time off. In a year like this, it seems to me that Americanism versus socialism can make up 25 points. Why the hell not try to? Is what I don't understand. Why not try to make up the 25 points?
Okay, let's just assume that it's correct. Let's assume that Christine O'Donnell is down in the polls, Democrat polls, by the way, by 25 points. Okay, fine. If she's the best option we have to stop what's going on once she gets to Washington, why not try to make up the 25 points? We got socialism, communism, liberalism on the ropes. It's too risky? Let me tell you something. It's worth the risk. We're talking about saving the [blank] damn country. What do you mean, too risky? "
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:10:44am |
re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What verbal arabesques. Fat man on a thin wire spouting nonsense.
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:11:58am |
re: #310 prairiefire
What verbal arabesques. Fat man on a thin wire spouting nonsense.
Rotating title nomination.
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:13:11am |
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Kragar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:13:34am |
Woman who stopped CNN 'punk' plan says O'Keefe claims untrue
The woman who stopped a plot by conservative activist James O'Keefe to embarrass a CNN reporter said O'Keefe's latest statement on the matter is "clearly not true."
In an e-mail to CNN, the former executive director of Project Veritas, Izzy Santa, wrote: "It's clearly a PR statement for damage control. It's clearly not true but what can you do."
Santa was reacting to O'Keefe's explanation of what he said would have happened on his boat in August after he agreed to meet CNN Investigative Correspondent Abbie Boudreau, who was working on a documentary about young conservative activists.
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Ziggy Standard Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:13:56am |
Scanning for wingnuts - imminent flounce detectors twitching:
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:14:22am |
re: #271 JasonA
I know, I know. It's just... I take a very valid dig at Apple, refuse to back down, and all of a sudden it's "Well, I guess we don't need to talk until I get home tonight since you'd rather not deal with an iPhone." I mean wtf? Ignoring my texts over this? Jesus...
Here's the thing, people who like Apple like it for a reason, it works for them. iPhone users are probably just tired of people feeling the need to come up to them and register their disappointment with a product / corporation nobody's forcing them to buy, it gets old. Especially when the only real alternative is offered by Google, an advertising agency with an actual motto of "Don't be Evil." I mean Apple fans may be unduly credulous, come on. You may have thought your dig was "very valid," and I'm sure it was spot-on legit criticism, but what she actually heard was probably something along the order of "You look stupid in those shoes."
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Stanghazi Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:16:44am |
Darth here? Looks like Randy Moss is getting traded to the Vikings.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:16:50am |
re: #279 NJDhockeyfan
MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell says racist remark about Michael Steele.
[Video]Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson to demand his firing in 5...4...3...
//
"While never losing site of his real master and paycheck provider the RNC" - not quite the same as calling him a slave, but the fake outragers will get fake outraged all the same - gullible little fucktards that they are.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:17:58am |
re: #316 Stanley Sea
Darth here? Looks like Randy Moss is getting traded to the Vikings.
Yep...I saw that...#84 is back! Let's hope he can still run and catch the ball. Of course, the big problem is that Farvre can't throw the ball more than thirty yards with accuracy anymore, so the long ball isn't going to be part of the Vikings' game plan.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:18:13am |
re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The election is just a month away. It would take the mother of all October surprises for her to make up that kind of ground. Even if you give her the benefit of doubt on the polling methods, oversampling, and whatever else you can throw (plus the kitchen sink), that's one heck of a margin to overcome.
Here are the 2008 election figures, showing registered voter totals for DE. She'd need all the GOPers to turn out, plus a significant number of independents, to overcome the Democrat registered voter edge.
GOTV would make a big dent on the assumptions, but a polarizing candidate could drive voters who would have otherwise sat on the fence to take a stand. It's what makes polling these kinds of races tough.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:18:42am |
re: #316 Stanley Sea
Hey, Stanley. The chiefs are 3-0 and people are already insane excited. Wait until they are 3-2. Did you see our rookie's catch?
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Ziggy Standard Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:19:54am |
re: #316 Stanley Sea
Darth here? Looks like Randy Moss is getting traded to the Vikings.
Hi Stanley Sea - ice-ski will be emailing you tonight (poor wee thing is slaving away in the hall testing some new colours right now).
PS we took some pics in Glasgow recently that we thought you might find amusing - I'll post them once they're uploaded :)
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Stanghazi Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:20:14am |
re: #320 prairiefire
Hey, Stanley. The chiefs are 3-0 and people are already insane excited. Wait until they are 3-2. Did you see our rookie's catch?
Oh yeah I did. That was awesome!!
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:20:45am |
re: #316 Stanley Sea
Darth here? Looks like Randy Moss is getting traded to the Vikings.
I just saw that...Shocking that the Vikes would take him back...Randy times out at 4.27/40 down in Florida before the Pat's signed him..I'll bet his speed has slowed down the last 3 years
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:22:27am |
re: #324 HoosierHoops
I just saw that...Shocking that the Vikes would take him back...Randy times out at 4.27/40 down in Florida before the Pat's signed him..I'll bet his speed has slowed down the last 3 years
Meh...this season is all about cheering the Vikings and not worrying about the playoffs. Wildcard would be a treat, but I'm just going to be a foul-weather fan and keep my hopes at a minimum.
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Ziggy Standard Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:33:39am |
re: #323 Stanley Sea
Thanks Jimmah, miss you guys!!
Cheers Stanley. I have to brave the elements now and get some booze. Later!
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filetandrelease Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:41:18am |
re: #231 Obdicut
They're not losing the argument. The argument was won a long time ago. They are struggling with the politics, thanks to the massive, pervasive dishonesty of the deniers.
That is nice, so then as it becomes hell on earth, they can slap themselves on the back saying they won the arguement.
That is not winning anything.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:43:07am |
re: #327 filetandrelease
Try replying to [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] and take some responsibility for yourself.
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garhighway Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:45:23am |
re: #249 Obdicut
Also, in the aftermath of the incident: The NYPD is investigating and suspended the officer. In the aftermath of the fire incident, they expanded the policy.
And therefore they are the same!
How can you not understand this?
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Slap Wed, Oct 6, 2010 10:57:09am |
re: #238 sattv4u2
Sympathies and all positive thoughts your way.
It's great that you and Pop don't get rattled easily; take care about that, though -- one can be mentally prepared for difficulty and confident based on past performance, but the illness and health struggles of a deeply loved one can have a surprising impact on a person. Be confident, but be ready for your own (and your Dad's) emotions to be unpredictable in their effect on you. And above all, remember that it's OK if it knocks you off your pins for a bit, when you don't expect it to. It just means that your love overpowered your steadiness for a moment.
I hope for the best possible outcome for you and yours.
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filetandrelease Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:02:42am |
re: #294 Charles
I am not a denier, but am skeptical of the more dire predictions of the out come. My personal views have evolved significantly from reading this sight.
My point was about the tactics. And if you have been following my post, especially those with LVQ, it is a consistent theme of mine. This is an important issue, Obidcut says the most important. That being the case, it is incumbent that people are convinced that drastic changes must be made.
Calling people stupid, adds blowing up children, are not going to accomplish anything but set back any possible hope of reform.
And make no mistake, it is the people who must be convinced, they are the ones who dictate policy change, not the scientist, not really even the politicians.
As for the fool, I was linked to that sight from another. I am not on any mission. I run a business and don't really have that much time. The conversations here tend to be a bit more lively and educational.
Charles I respect your sight, and you, and for the most part, the posters here. I am a conservative, a tea partier, and love the water. My bio.
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garhighway Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:07:39am |
re: #331 filetandrelease
I am not a denier, but am skeptical of the more dire predictions of the out come. My personal views have evolved significantly from reading this sight.
My point was about the tactics. And if you have been following my post, especially those with LVQ, it is a consistent theme of mine. This is an important issue, Obidcut says the most important. That being the case, it is incumbent that people are convinced that drastic changes must be made.
Calling people stupid, adds blowing up children, are not going to accomplish anything but set back any possible hope of reform.
And make no mistake, it is the people who must be convinced, they are the ones who dictate policy change, not the scientist, not really even the politicians.
As for the fool, I was linked to that sight from another. I am not on any mission. I run a business and don't really have that much time. The conversations here tend to be a bit more lively and educational.
Charles I respect your sight, and you, and for the most part, the posters here. I am a conservative, a tea partier, and love the water. My bio.
So you are a skeptic, but you want those who propose the policies you are skeptical about to put forward the best possible case so they can convince more people of the merits of the thing you are skeptical about?
Sure. That makes sense.
PS: An advertisement is an "ad". "Add" is a verb.
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:09:09am |
re: #331 filetandrelease
I am not a denier, but am skeptical of the more dire predictions of the out come. My personal views have evolved significantly from reading this sight.
Do you still feel the same way as you described here?
If so, why support candidates who don't even respect that POV, and falsely claim the Earth is cooling?
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Four More Tears Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:12:26am |
re: #315 goddamnedfrank
Here's the thing, people who like Apple like it for a reason, it works for them. iPhone users are probably just tired of people feeling the need to come up to them and register their disappointment with a product / corporation nobody's forcing them to buy, it gets old. Especially when the only real alternative is offered by Google, an advertising agency with an actual motto of "Don't be Evil." I mean Apple fans may be unduly credulous, come on. You may have thought your dig was "very valid," and I'm sure it was spot-on legit criticism, but what she actually heard was probably something along the order of "You look stupid in those shoes."
lol
Interesting point. And BB is another perfectly real alternative! :P
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filetandrelease Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:17:02am |
re: #333 publicityStunted
Yes, I do feel the same way. This subject is way too serious to be flippant about it. Which I was, hence the apology.
I am a skeptic of the fore told dire consequences of global warming and to the degree to which it is going to warm. I am not a skeptic as to whether or not the earth is warming or if man is a contributor.
I see cap and trade as a scam and would not support a politician who supports it.
There are better ways to reduce carbon emissions.
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:21:40am |
re: #335 filetandrelease
There are better ways to reduce carbon emissions.
What methods would you recommend/support?
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filetandrelease Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:22:39am |
re: #332 garhighway
So you are a skeptic, but you want those who propose the policies you are skeptical about to put forward the best possible case so they can convince more people of the merits of the thing you are skeptical about?
Sure. That makes sense.
PS: An advertisement is an "ad". "Add" is a verb.
If you believe AGW to be critically important and that society must change as a consequence, then you damn sure better put forth your best case, again and again. Insulting and disgusting those in which you need to convince is not going to work.
And yes, I will repeat this message add infinitum. Because you may be right.
(did i get the right "add/ad" this time, because it is sooooo important!)
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filetandrelease Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:26:08am |
re: #336 publicityStunted
Nuclear, either standard or possibly thorium. Something I learned about here recently.
Electric cars. A mag lev high speed mass transit system criss crossing the country attached to a nuclear grid.
The combustion engine must be replaced by the electric engine. We are close to that now. Now we must begin the process of creating electricity.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:26:29am |
re: #336 publicityStunted
What methods would you recommend/support?
There are too many cows farting out methane gas. I say we should eat more beef.
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filetandrelease Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:52:13pm |
re: #304 Jimmah
He was here when JWF got the boot - he totally knows the deal with that creep.
Actually I had no idea. And unless I am linked to his sight I never read it.
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Ziggy Standard Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:08:52pm |
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filetandrelease Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:19:06pm |
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garhighway Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:22:47pm |
re: #337 filetandrelease
If you believe AGW to be critically important and that society must change as a consequence, then you damn sure better put forth your best case, again and again. Insulting and disgusting those in which you need to convince is not going to work.
I understand that the persuasion piece is important.
My suspicion is that you are raising your concerns not because you want to see that effort succeed but because you want another way to express your skepticism.
Just as if I were to start making helpful tactical criticisms to the Tea Partiers they might suspect me of bad faith.
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filetandrelease Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:33:54pm |
re: #343 garhighway
I understand that the persuasion piece is important.
My suspicion is that you are raising your concerns not because you want to see that effort succeed but because you want another way to express your skepticism.
Just as if I were to start making helpful tactical criticisms to the Tea Partiers they might suspect me of bad faith.
I understand, but you would be wrong. This debate could be the most important one in our lives, to say I am skeptical of what the future brings in this regard does not mean I deny the possibility that LVQ's predictions are completely wrong, but rather for me, and many others, we just aren't convinced of imminent catastrophe.
Which is exactly why the conversation and marketing efforts needs to be at the adult level.
Regardless of a persons beliefs regarding the consequences of AGW, only a fool would believe that those advocating a strong government reaction is needed to prevent disaster are winning this debate.
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filetandrelease Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:48:24pm |
re: #344 filetandrelease
because you want another way to express your skepticism
.
I had to think about that for a moment, to an extent that is accurate although my greater concern frankly is the level of dialogue between people. It just seems to be getting lower and lower, left and right, skeptic and believer. It is one of the primary reasons I post here. I don't hide my politics or beliefs. But people can disagree and still make an effort to enlighten others with contrary opinions.
Some how, some where, the right and left in this country need to find a bridge.
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filetandrelease Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:53:18pm |
BTW, they run these dispicable adds to raise money, not to convince anyone of anything. I was a little surprised no one here figured that out. Or maybe they did and chose not to bring up.
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Ziggy Standard Wed, Oct 6, 2010 6:08:14pm |
re: #342 filetandrelease
Believe what ever you want, I could really care less.
No-one here gives a shit about you. You're just another obvious concern troll. Self professed tea-bagger? What a joke.
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:43:32pm |
re: #256 JasonA
I... I think I'm about to break up with someone because they love their iPhone too much. I'm really conflicted and have a very boggled mind right now...
I should probably wait until I become unboggled before I come to any conclusion.
Tell the other person that you feel very deeply about her/him, BUT if they spend any more time on the damned phone while you're around, you're walking and won't return. I've done it and followed through (found our server, paid the bill, gave him money to pay for her cab, and went home). Then again, I wasn't in love.
I don't understand this need for immediacy and constant contact that some people have. Did they not get enough attention as babies? Is this a substitute for mommy's nipple?
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:49:59pm |
re: #138 lawhawk
I propose drug tests for all politicians - both as candidates and while in office, because there's got to be some folks who are on to some serious stuff when they come up with their inane proposals.
"I'll take one any time--if you do. I test positive, I lose my benefits; you test positive, you lose your JOB. Deal?"
re: #298 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Note that the poll was conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University-Public Mind. FDU is O'Donnell's alma mater, now that she finally paid her bill.
I found it a little amusing.
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:54:04pm |
re: #315 goddamnedfrank
Here's the thing, people who like Apple like it for a reason, it works for them. iPhone users are probably just tired of people feeling the need to come up to them and register their disappointment with a product / corporation nobody's forcing them to buy, it gets old. Especially when the only real alternative is offered by Google, an advertising agency with an actual motto of "Don't be Evil." I mean Apple fans may be unduly credulous, come on. You may have thought your dig was "very valid," and I'm sure it was spot-on legit criticism, but what she actually heard was probably something along the order of "You look stupid in those shoes."
Fine. iPhone users like it. I'm happy they're happy with the product. But why must people be permanently attached to their electronics? And why must they brag about them and disparage competing products they haven't used?
My advice to almost everyone in the world--Back away from this stuff. Take a vacation in which you leave your toys at home or at least in the room while you go play.
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