Sharron Angle’s New Race-Baiting Ad
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Sharron Angle’s new ad attacking Harry Reid is an object example of the use of fear mongering racial stereotypes in political advertisements.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:26:49am |
Yeah, if illegal aliens get to collect from the Social Security they paid into, even while they were here illegally, Harry Reid is taking that away from YOU. And if an illegal alien was brought here as an infant, and graduates from school at the top of her class, and she were to get in-state tuition rates, Harry Reid is taking that away from YOU.
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:27:51am |
Reid's counter ad:
The bit about Social Security is an outright fabrication considering that Reid wrote a resolution opposing SS benefits for illegal aliens:
Title: A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that illegal immigrants should not receive Social Security benefits and that this prohibition should be strictly enforced.
Sponsor: Sen Reid, Harry [NV] (introduced 8/3/2006) Cosponsors (11)
Latest Major Action: 8/3/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Finance.
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avanti Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:28:24am |
Nice choice of a picture of illegals, she just left out the tattoos and gang colors. Why not use a housekeeper, migrate field worker or construction worker, not all illegal emigrants are young toughs.
The ad was bit too "Willie Horton"for my taste.
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Sionainn Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:29:07am |
Most of the construction workers in Las Vegas aren't white.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:29:41am |
I guess she was still negotiating to use clips of Danny Trejo in the ad.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:30:05am |
"Even for the time they were here" - and paying into the Social Security system. She sorta left out that last nuance.
Scary thing is that this approach shows every chance of turning things around for Angle and helping get this lady elected.
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3eff Jeff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:30:15am |
I like the shot of the angry Mexican gangsters getting college tuition. Because everyone who looks like that must be an illegal immigrant. Or a criminal.
If there is anything I've learned living in Oakland and growing up in the 1990s, is that it's just clothing. They're just folks, and that's just normal style these days.
If the image scares you, come visit Oakland. A well-to-do middle aged lady in a new convertible VW Eos drove by me last night blasting "Fuck The Police". It shouldn't be scary, because it's normal, American culture now.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:30:18am |
re: #6 Sionainn
Most of the construction workers in Las Vegas aren't white.
AND WHOSE FAULT IS THAT?!11?!
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Sionainn Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:31:08am |
re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
AND WHOSE FAULT IS THAT?!11?!
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Apparently that's Harry Reid's fault.
/
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3eff Jeff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:31:34am |
re: #5 avanti
And as I noted, not all young toughs are a) toughs or b) illegals.
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Mark Pennington Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:31:38am |
Fear mongering works with those whose souls have been eaten out with racism. There is no middle ground for them and they have become immune.
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:34:37am |
The ad is also referring to the DREAM Act. While not called the DREAM Act at first one of the first pieces of legislation was introduced in the House as H.R.1918 by Rep Chris Cannon, (UT-3):
SUMMARY AS OF:
5/21/2001--Introduced.Student Adjustment Act of 2001 - Amends the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 to repeal the provision prohibiting an unlawful alien's eligibility for higher education benefits based on State residence unless a U.S. national is similarly eligible without regard to such State residence.
Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to direct the Attorney General to cancel the removal of, and adjust to permanent resident status, certain (inadmissible or deportable) alien middle or secondary students with qualifying years of U.S. residency. Makes such aliens eligible for Federal and State higher education assistance during the pendency of their application for cancellation of removal.
Chris Cannon happens to be a Republican.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:34:39am |
It's a classic case of Brown parasites vs. White construction workers.
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:36:38am |
re: #14 Gus 802
The ad is also referring to the DREAM Act. While not called the DREAM Act at first one of the first pieces of legislation was introduced in the House as H.R.1918 by Rep Chris Cannon, (UT-3):
Chris Cannon happens to be a Republican.
The other bill which was the birth of the DREAM Act was introduced by none other than Orrin Hatch of Utah as S.1291:
SUMMARY AS OF:
6/20/2002--Reported to Senate amended. (There is 1 other summary)Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act or the DREAM Act - Amends the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 to repeal the denial of an unlawful alien's eligibility for higher education benefits based on State residence unless a U.S. national is similarly eligible without regard to such State residence.
(Sec. 3) Authorizes the Attorney General to cancel the removal of, and adjust to permanent resident status, an alien who: (1) has attained the age of 12 prior to enactment of this Act; (2) files an application before reaching the age of 21; (3) has earned a high school or equivalent diploma; (4) has been physically present in the United States for at least five years immediately preceding the date of enactment of this Act (with certain exceptions); (5) is a person of good moral character; and (6) is not inadmissible or deportable under specified criminal or security grounds of the Immigration and Nationality Act.
Authorizes the Attorney General to take similar steps with respect to an alien who: (1) would have met such requirements during the four-year period immediately preceding the enactment of this Act; and (2) is enrolled in, or has graduated from, an institution of higher education.
Directs the Attorney General to establish a procedure permitting an alien to apply for cancellation and adjustment without being placed in removal proceedings (in addition to cancellation and adjustment availability in removal proceedings). Provides for: (1) expedited application processing without additional fees; and (2) confidentiality of applicant information.
Prohibits the removal of an alien who has not yet received a high school diploma or equivalent but has a reasonable opportunity of meeting the requirements under this Act. Permits such an alien to work.
(Sec. 4) Directs the Attorney General to report annually on the number, status, and disposition of applications under this Act.
I don't need to inform anyone as to Hatch's political party affiliation.
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:37:38am |
I'm sure one of our right-leaning friends will be along in mere seconds to laugh this off and claim that Harry Reid is just as bad, that his lack of race-baiting is just a "prop".
Waiting...
Still waiting...
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Kragar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:37:53am |
re: #16 SpaceJesus
oh no brown people
I promise, if elected, only those people with acceptable melanin percentages in their skin will receive access to government services.
/
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:38:03am |
Angle needs to do a little more research into Mr. Reid's political history... in 1993 he actually introduced a bill that had a provision to change the 14th amendment...
Immigration Stabilization Act of 1993.
"TITLE X—CITIZENSHIP 4 SEC. 1001. BASIS OF CITIZENSHIP CLARIFIED. In the exercise of its powers under section of the Fourteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of section 1 of such Article and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth."
Birds of a feather?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:38:52am |
I really don't see any way out of this other than a guest worker policy.
We tried amnesty, which did not work, and is unfair to people who try to do it the honest way.
We can't send them home, even if we had the political will.
At present, we have created a situation in which they are literally outlaws, in the classic sense of the word, outside the protection of the law, and prey to every vulture out there.
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:39:21am |
re: #17 Gus 802
I've noticed that in most negative ads, you at least see a fine-print reference to an actual vote or news article. There were none whatsoever to be found in Sharrron's ad. No surprise there, since she makes prodigious use of the JMSU* technique.
*Just Make Shit Up
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:39:44am |
re: #20 Walter L. Newton
What does the word 'history' mean, Walter?
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:40:37am |
FLOOR STATEMENT: "INTRODUCTION OF THE DREAM ACT"
Statement of Senator Orrin G. Hatch
before the
United States SenateOn the Introduction of the “DREAM” Act
“Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act”
I believe the DREAM Act will live up to its name. It will allow these illegal immigrant children the opportunity to not only dream of the infinite possibilities that their futures may hold in the United States, but it will also afford them the opportunity to realize their dreams. With the passage of the DREAM Act, the United States stands to benefit enormously. Once these children become legal residents of this nation, they will prove to be motivated, hard-working, and educated contributors to our society. I am pleased and proud once again to work with Senator Durbin on this important legislation.
Thank you, Mr. President. I yield the floor.
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:40:47am |
re: #20 Walter L. Newton
Well, he recanted, and quite a while ago it seems.
Opportunist, maybe. But at least he's on the right track now.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:41:07am |
re: #25 iossarian
Well, he recanted, and quite a while ago it seems.
Opportunist, maybe. But at least he's on the right track now.
What ever.
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:41:13am |
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:41:34am |
Video needs beheadings to be truly effective.
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:41:56am |
A couple of years later?
Hatch, Bennett Say They’ll Vote ‘No’ on DREAM Act
Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) was an original sponsor of the DREAM Act, a bill to help some undocumented young people gain legal status through school or military service. In 2003, he referred to the deportation of students who grew up in the U.S. as a “tremendous loss to our society.” In 2007, he and fellow Utah Sen. Bob Bennett voted to add the act to the defense authorization bill — the same move Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is attempting now.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:41:57am |
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:42:11am |
re: #26 Walter L. Newton
What ever.
So, for you, there's no difference between someone who says they would not vote for a racist policy, and someone who says they would?
Whatever, indeed.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:43:12am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:43:31am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:43:44am |
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avanti Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:44:10am |
re: #16 SpaceJesus
oh no brown people
She could have used a picture of "The most interesting man in the world" He plays a Latino, but is actually Jewish and has brown skin.
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:44:11am |
So, from my estimation many Republicans thought it was politically correct to support the DREAM Act and amnesty for illegals when Bush was president. Now that Obama is president and the House and Senate majorities are controlled by Democrats, they're against it.
Such utter bullshit.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:44:20am |
David Barton: "Let's regulate homosexuality"
Small government my ass
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:44:56am |
re: #34 Killgore Trout
Steele, Gillespie Standing By O'Donnell's Claims About Classified Info On China Plot (VIDEO)
Steele? Michael Steele? LOL Excellent. What a maroon.
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:47:15am |
Update. Perhaps Orrin Hatch still supports the DREAM Act:
[Link: dreamact.info...]
Yea
on DREAM Act as introduced in House and SenateSen. Hatch supports Dream Act as a stand-alone bill, but not as an amendment to the defense bill.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:47:25am |
re: #37 Dreggas
David Barton: "Let's regulate homosexuality"
Small government my ass
Well, if history is any guide, Evangelical ministers will be first in line for the cute boys.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:47:27am |
re: #38 Gus 802
Steele? Michael Steele? LOL Excellent. What a maroon.
A non-answer by Steele...
"I think if she says she has information that indicates that China has a plan to increase its influence over the U.S. economy, I'm not sure how many people could argue with that. Whether it's classified or not, I don't know."
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:48:03am |
re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Well, if history is any guide, Evangelical ministers will be first in line for the cute boys.
They'll have to beat off the Catholics for that!
///running so fast
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:48:29am |
re: #43 iossarian
ROFLMMFAO.
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zora Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:48:29am |
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
Angle And Vitter Use The Same Photo Of ‘Illegal Aliens’ In Racially-Tinged Attack Ads
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3eff Jeff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:48:59am |
re: #43 iossarian
They'll have to beat off the Catholics for that!
///running so fast
Not on O'Donnell's watch, they won't!
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:49:30am |
re: #46 3eff Jeff
Not on O'Donnell's watch, they won't!
She likes to watch, that's what I heard.
///running straight to hell
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3eff Jeff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:50:13am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:50:14am |
re: #37 Dreggas
David Barton: "Let's regulate homosexuality"
Small government my ass
I think it was meant rhetorically in an attempt to portray homosexuality as a threat to health and the public welfare.
And besides, I think the Free Market would do a much better job of keeping gays in line, we could just farm it out to a private company like Fudgepackwater
/
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:52:32am |
re: #42 Walter L. Newton
A non-answer by Steele...
"I think if she says she has information that indicates that China has a plan to increase its influence over the U.S. economy, I'm not sure how many people could argue with that. Whether it's classified or not, I don't know."
Plenty of people could argue that. It's not realistic to expect Steele to criticize O'Donnell even if she is a lunatic. His non-answer sounds more like feeble excuses.
The question wasn't if China wants to have "influence over the U.S. economy". The question was about O'Donnell's comment that China has "carefully thought out and strategic plan to take over America". There's a big difference between wanting to have influence over our economy and a strategic plan to TAKE OVER AMERICA!
On that note, both China and the USA are frequently attempting to influence each others economies. SOP.
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:53:52am |
I thought Chicago was the land of Evil Leftists. But no, a champion of holy virtue has come forth to turn back the Blue Devil Horde!
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]
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3eff Jeff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:55:27am |
re: #51 BigPapa
They hide in the strangest places. The Discovery Institute has its headquarters deep in enemy territory (Seattle, WA).
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 11:59:19am |
re: #51 BigPapa
I thought Chicago was the land of Evil Leftists. But no, a champion of holy virtue has come forth to turn back the Blue Devil Horde!
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]
Bill Brady:
RCP Average: Brady +2.0
RCP Ranking: Toss Up
Take that with a grain of salt though because he's ahead because of a Rasmussen Reports poll.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:04:16pm |
re: #37 Dreggas
David Barton: "Let's regulate homosexuality"
Small government my ass
Given Barton's neo-Nazi history, maybe that would be a "small government" in the fascism sense.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:10:14pm |
You know it's pretty funny when I hear the word "illegal" here. We're talking Nevada here. In large part it was Las Vegas that put the state on the map. Without it Nevada would have been far poorer a state without the revenue the city generate for its coffers. Now think about the word "illegal" and think about the history of Las Vegas with the gambling and mafia history.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:10:31pm |
re: #37 Dreggas
David Barton: "Let's regulate homosexuality"
Small government my ass
What a...words fail me.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:11:51pm |
re: #55 Gus 802
You know it's pretty funny when I hear the word "illegal" here. We're talking Nevada here. In large part it was Las Vegas that put the state on the map. Without it Nevada would have been far poorer a state without the revenue the city generate for its coffers. Now think about the word "illegal" and think about the history of Las Vegas with the gambling and mafia history.
There is white illegal and non-white illegal. Please note the vital distinction
/
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3eff Jeff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:14:10pm |
re: #37 Dreggas
David Barton: "Let's regulate homosexuality"
Small government my ass
I finally brought myself to look at that. Choice quote:
Homosexual/bi-sexual individuals are seven times more likely to contemplate or commit suicide. Oooh, that doesn't sound very healthy.
I wonder why that is. It couldn't possibly be due to the bigotry (and the bullying it begets) perpetuated by the likes of Barton, could it? Ugh.
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:15:18pm |
re: #37 Dreggas
David Barton: "Let's regulate homosexuality"
Small government my ass
Speaking of ass, anti-gay Barton sure spent a lot of time kissing Tony Hayward's.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:15:46pm |
re: #25 iossarian
Well, he recanted, and quite a while ago it seems.
Opportunist, maybe. But at least he's on the right track now.
I stand by my assessment of him yesterday, he's a dirtbag. As long as he says the right complimentary things every once in awhile 40% of the public will continue to give him a pass. He needs to lose.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:15:46pm |
re: #58 3eff Jeff
I finally brought myself to look at that. Choice quote:
I wonder why that is. It couldn't possibly be due to the bigotry (and the bullying it begets) perpetuated by the likes of Barton, could it? Ugh.
It is their inability to come to terms with their sinful nature and turn to God for forgiveness, for Chrissakes...
/
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:16:39pm |
re: #58 3eff Jeff
remember, self-awareness is not their strong suit. It's never, ever their fault.
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3eff Jeff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:17:21pm |
re: #61 ralphieboy
It is their inability to come to terms with their sinful nature and turn to God for forgiveness, for Chrissakes...
/
I'm sorry. What was I thinking? You are, of course, correct. /
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Kragar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:17:36pm |
re: #58 3eff Jeff
I finally brought myself to look at that. Choice quote:
I wonder why that is. It couldn't possibly be due to the bigotry (and the bullying it begets) perpetuated by the likes of Barton, could it? Ugh.
Listening to bigoted know-nothings who believe ancient mumbo jumbo is more accurate than scientifically tested and proven data doesn't sound very healthy.
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:18:14pm |
re: #57 ralphieboy
There is white illegal and non-white illegal. Please note the vital distinction
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Initiate revisionist history plan now! It was never called Sin-City and was always based on legal activity. The mob never had any influence in Las Vegas or Nevada. In fact the gambling came by way of Norwegian bachelor farmers bored on Saturday nights. Block 16 and Bugsy Siegel never existed!
Which reminds me. I don't have a problem with that history since you can't relive the past only study it. What I do find odd is that Sharron Angle is antithetical to the legacy of Las Vegas and Nevada.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:18:29pm |
re: #58 3eff Jeff
I finally brought myself to look at that. Choice quote:
I wonder why that is. It couldn't possibly be due to the bigotry (and the bullying it begets) perpetuated by the likes of Barton, could it? Ugh.
Oooh, Barton wants to 'regulate' this unhealthy behavior? Geee, I wonder what he normally says about mean ol' libs who want to take away people's fricking salt or label their trans fats.
This is just mean homophobia under a sugary fake smile.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:19:04pm |
re: #60 RogueOne
I am definitely not a fan of Harry Reid. Given his opponent in this cycle I want him to win regardless of whether or not he's a spineless, shiftless little prick. Sorry he needs to lose in a primary, not to the hack Angle.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:19:18pm |
re: #65 Gus 802
History is to be used sujectively to support one's point of view.
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3eff Jeff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:19:27pm |
re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Listening to bigoted know-nothings who believe ancient mumbo jumbo is more accurate than scientifically tested and proven data doesn't sound very healthy.
I don't know, are they suggesting bleeding you with leeches or trying to trepan you?
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:20:45pm |
re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist
Oooh, Barton wants to 'regulate' this unhealthy behavior? Geee, I wonder what he normally says about mean ol' libs who want to take away people's fricking salt or label their trans fats.
This is just mean homophobia under a sugary fake smile.
Hmmm....
Sort of reminds me of this:
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iossarian Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:21:25pm |
re: #60 RogueOne
Well, I can understand your position, but I agree with Dreggas above that the time for him to lose is in a primary, not to someone like Angle.
TTFN.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:22:53pm |
re: #67 Dreggas
I am definitely not a fan of Harry Reid. Given his opponent in this cycle I want him to win regardless of whether or not he's a spineless, shiftless little prick. Sorry he needs to lose in a primary, not to the hack Angle.
I want him sitting on his couch in retirement watching CNN. I want him to develop a twitch from a daily drumbeat of silly things said by Angle. I want him to have to look at himself in the mirror everyday and ask where the hell it all went wrong.
I can hold a grudge/
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3eff Jeff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:22:55pm |
re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist
Oooh, Barton wants to 'regulate' this unhealthy behavior? Geee, I wonder what he normally says about mean ol' libs who want to take away people's fricking salt or label their trans fats.
This is just mean homophobia under a sugary fake smile.
Food that doesn't kill you immediately is perfectly healthy. If you say otherwise, you'll have to answer to the Coca-Cola Corporation.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:23:03pm |
re: #65 Gus 802
There is/was a great italian place a couple miles off the strip on Flamingo, it had been there for years when I went. The waiter was a little old man and you could tell it was family owned and may have been in more ways than one. They still had the crowsnest perch by the front door which allowed you to see who was coming and everyone else in the place, complete with black and white photos of the family and "old Vegas". Some of the best Italian food I've had outside little italy in NYC.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:23:54pm |
re: #73 3eff Jeff
Downding for bad mouthing Coke, gods water./
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3eff Jeff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:25:22pm |
re: #75 RogueOne
Downding for bad mouthing Coke, gods water./
Actually, I was going for a movie reference. Maybe it fell on its face. (A bit obscure, but I know the film is popular around these parts...)
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:26:27pm |
re: #67 Dreggas
I am definitely not a fan of Harry Reid. Given his opponent in this cycle I want him to win regardless of whether or not he's a spineless, shiftless little prick. Sorry he needs to lose in a primary, not to the hack Angle.
I agree... no need to up ones standards when the other candidate is a worst spineless, shiftless little prick... yes...sir...eeee... let's stick with the status quo and be happy with it.
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:26:28pm |
re: #59 publicityStunted
Arrrgh, I got my wingnuts mixed up :( David Barton = anti-gay bigot, Joe Barton = BP butt-kisser.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:28:35pm |
re: #77 Walter L. Newton
I agree... no need to up ones standards when the other candidate is a worst spineless, shiftless little prick... yes...sir...eee... let's stick with the status quo and be
happy with itthankful for it.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:29:48pm |
re: #78 publicityStunted
Arrrgh, I got my wingnuts mixed up :( David Barton = anti-gay bigot, Joe Barton = BP butt-kisser.
Ya know, I've got the same problem, in a way, confusing John Lithgow and Jon Voight. I have no idea why, but there it is
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:30:17pm |
re: #76 3eff Jeff
Actually, I was going for a movie reference. Maybe it fell on its face. (A bit obscure, but I know the film is popular around these parts...)
"if that is your real name."
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:30:33pm |
re: #77 Walter L. Newton
I agree... no need to up ones standards when the other candidate is a worst spineless, shiftless little prick... yes...sir...eee... let's stick with the status quo and be happy with it.
No need to exchange bad for ridiculously awful.
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:30:42pm |
That's right folks. Oppose the lower standards by electing the opposite lower standard candidate whose name is Sharron Angle.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:31:16pm |
re: #78 publicityStunted
Arrrgh, I got my wingnuts mixed up :( David Barton = anti-gay bigot, Joe Barton = BP butt-kisser.
I had a boyfriend who once had a dream starring the Cleaver Brothers, Eldridge and Beaver.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:31:49pm |
re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist
No need to exchange bad for ridiculously awful.
Why not? it's a common pattern with folk on a losing streak. Always double-down when you're behind.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:32:05pm |
re: #76 3eff Jeff
Actually, I was going for a movie reference. Maybe it fell on its face. (A bit obscure, but I know the film is popular around these parts...)
Listen, Colonel Bat Guano, if that is your real name.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:32:52pm |
re: #85 wrenchwench
I had a boyfriend who once had a dream starring the Cleaver Brothers, Eldridge and Beaver.
Up against the wall, Haskell!
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:33:29pm |
re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist
No need to exchange bad for ridiculously awful.
Why not? Why keep rewarding someone who sucks? Send a message that political losers will get tossed overboard even when their opponent is a loon. Fear is a great motivator.
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MinisterO Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:36:03pm |
Folks, please don't feed the trolls. You know who they are.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:36:20pm |
re: #83 Gus 802
That's right folks. Oppose the lower standards by electing the opposite lower standard candidate whose name is Sharron Angle.
Depends on what your estimation of "lower" is.
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:36:29pm |
re: #89 RogueOne
Why not? Why keep rewarding someone who sucks? Send a message that political losers will get tossed overboard even when their opponent is a loon. Fear is a great motivator.
That doesn't make sense. So you toss out a political loser by voting for another political loser? Elections have been going on in this country for over 200 years and it won't make one bit of difference. The end result would be that it would reward the Tea Party lunacy of Sharron Angle. So while you may win an effective victory against Reid you're rewarding fringe candidates.
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:37:36pm |
re: #91 Walter L. Newton
Depends on what your estimation of "lower" is.
Lower as in abnormal. As in Sharron Angle is an abnormal candidate.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:37:46pm |
re: #89 RogueOne
Why not? Why keep rewarding someone who sucks? Send a message that political losers will get tossed overboard even when their opponent is a loon. Fear is a great motivator.
More than that, it speaks volumes about the loss of confidence in the incumbent, when someone can come from nowhere, with no discernible previous qualifications, and little in the way of current ones, save that he or she is NOT the guy currently in the office, and have it turn into a horserace.
Even if Reid should prevail, he would have to wonder about what the hell happened to him that allowed an unknown to get so close to "his" seat.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:38:30pm |
re: #93 Gus 802
Lower as in abnormal. As in Sharron Angle is an abnormal candidate.
Hey, when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:39:35pm |
re: #95 Guanxi88
Hey, when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:40:20pm |
Just because I don't like Jim DeMint wouldn't mean I would vote for Alvin Greene.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:41:26pm |
re: #92 Gus 802
That doesn't make sense. So you toss out a political loser by voting for another political loser? Elections have been going on in this country for over 200 years and it won't make one bit of difference. The end result would be that it would reward the Tea Party lunacy of Sharron Angle. So while you may win an effective victory against Reid you're rewarding fringe candidates.
Which could last her entire term of 6 years and if she doesn't do any better toss her out for anyone else. I say send a message that will be felt for years.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:41:37pm |
re: #91 Walter L. Newton
Depends on what your estimation of "lower" is.
The one selling the idea of a "second amendment solution" for her political opponent.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:42:01pm |
re: #97 Gus 802
Just because I don't like Jim DeMint wouldn't mean I would vote for Alvin Greene.
I'd vote for Greene in an instant!
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:42:43pm |
From the "You get what you deserve" files:
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:43:50pm |
What? Why didn't they say that Harry Reid had supported Illegal aliens raping the "white women" without any threat of prosecution? After all if your going to lie and just make shit up then why not go for the "Whole hog?"
///WTF?
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:43:56pm |
re: #98 RogueOne
Which could last her entire term of 6 years and if she doesn't do any better toss her out for anyone else. I say send a message that will be felt for years.
Well, I can't influence how the people of Nevada vote. Whatever I wish for or would like is only wishful thinking and has no effect on the final outcome. On the other hand 6 years is a long time for the state of Nevada to watch their federal funding dry up with a Senator that will sit at #100 in Senate seniority.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:44:02pm |
Long-time lizards may recall that I was once a fierce political partisan, and would slug it out relentlessly here (and, sadly, elsewhere) over ideology and policy and such-like.
Tow things have caused me to mend my ways, and both of them are philosophical.
1) Confucius says that an exemplary person does not plan the policies of an office he does not hold. It took years before I got what he was driving at, and I'm sure I'm still just starting to grasp it; and
2) A couplet from Samuel Johnson:
How small, of all that human hearts endure,
That part which laws or kings can cause or cure!
Politics is a very minor matter, in the grand scheme of things, and I'd become as obsessive and combative over it as those sports enthusiasts whose misplaced fervor had previously earned my sneering amusement.
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TedStriker Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:44:22pm |
re: #55 Gus 802
You know it's pretty funny when I hear the word "illegal" here. We're talking Nevada here. In large part it was Las Vegas that put the state on the map. Without it Nevada would have been far poorer a state without the revenue the city generate for its coffers. Now think about the word "illegal" and think about the history of Las Vegas with the gambling and mafia history.
There's only illegality when brown people are involved...
///dripping
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:46:05pm |
re: #105 talon_262
There's only illegality when brown people are involved...
///dripping
And they have to get here crouched over in the dark with a flashlight. Coming in on a tourist visa and overstaying doesn't count.
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3eff Jeff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:46:29pm |
re: #105 talon_262
There's only illegality when brown people are involved...
///dripping
I dunno. Italians are often described as "Swarthy". Particularly in that desert sun, we tend to get pretty brown.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:46:35pm |
re: #104 Guanxi88
I'm not of the belief that it can get worse so it doesn't really matter. The suck is part of the status quo, people freak out every couple years, nothing changes, the suck continues....
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:48:05pm |
re: #106 wrenchwench
And they have to get here crouched over in the dark with a flashlight. Coming in on a tourist visa and overstaying doesn't count.
You really believe that most of the illegals in Nevada got there on a tourist visa?
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:49:16pm |
re: #106 wrenchwench
And they have to get here crouched over in the dark with a flashlight. Coming in on a tourist visa and overstaying doesn't count.
Yep. Once you get over the fence from Mexico you're standing right in Nevada.
//
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:49:45pm |
re: #108 RogueOne
I'm not of the belief that it can get worse so it doesn't really matter. The suck is part of the status quo, people freak out every couple years, nothing changes, the suck continues...
Ahh, yes, as Solomon observed:
1 Teh werdz ov teh preechur, teh son ov David, King of teh Jerusalem.2 "St00pid! St00pid!" Sez teh teechurcat. "Srsly st00pid. Everythingz st00pid."3 Wut man getz 4 laburz he toilz @ undur teh sunz?4 Generashun comez n generashun goez, still same lolcats.5 Sun rizez n setz, goez bak n rize agin.6 Teh wind blowz souf n norf, rownd n rownd, alwayz teh sayme.7 Seaz can has streemz, nevur fullz. Streemz go bak where comez frum.8 All tingz has DO NOT WANT, more den werdz sez. Lolrus never sez "enuf bucket, kthnx" or kitteh sez "dats good, enuff cheezburger."9 Has happen? Gunna be agin. Nuthing new undur teh sunz.10 Kitteh can not sez "OMFGZ sumthing new!" is jus REPOST!.11 New kittahz 4gitz old kittahz, new kittahz 4gitd bai even newer kittahz.
Wizdum Iz St00pid
12 I Iz teh teechurcat, king of teh Jerusalem.13 I has studiez n wizdum ovur all lolcatz, n zomg wut hevy berdun Ceiling Cat putz on kittehz.14 Teechurcat haz see lolrus n cheezburgerz n longcatz n awl dat is st00pidz, lyke chasing aftur tail. Nevr can catch teh tayle and even whn yu doo it hrtz srsly.
15 Wut iz breakd kittah cannot to be fixez, wut gon cannot iz cowntid.
16 Teechurcat sez to selv, "O hai! I has growd n increes widum moar den awl teechurcatz comez b4 meh. I has ekspeeriens much wizdum n nawledg."17 Den I appliez self to knowz wizdomz n aslo knowz bout craze and g00f, n lernz dat dis aslo lyke chasing aftur tayl.
18 Srsly moar wizdum iz FTL, k. Moar smartz, moar greefz.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:49:47pm |
re: #109 RogueOne
You really believe that most of the illegals in Nevada got there on a tourist visa?
No. What did I say to give you that impression?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:49:50pm |
re: #89 RogueOne
Why not? Why keep rewarding someone who sucks? Send a message that political losers will get tossed overboard even when their opponent is a loon. Fear is a great motivator.
Fear is what leads politicians to act even crazier.
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MinisterO Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:50:33pm |
Hatenrage. Because hope is for pansy-assed liberals.
Again, please don't feed the trolls.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:51:19pm |
re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist
Fear is what leads politicians to act even crazier.
"Sure, they may brag about their achievements that make Nancy Pelosi so proud. But this is about survival. So they're busy hurling character attacks at their opponents, in nasty ads, looking for any opening to change the political conversation. And all because they haven't changed Washington."
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:51:33pm |
re: #90 MinisterO
Folks, please don't feed the trolls. You know who they are.
Unfortunately, I often don't.
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jerk Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:51:49pm |
"OK, so in this shot, you're hanging out with your buddies. Don't smile. Great... got it! Here's your two bucks."
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TedStriker Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:52:11pm |
re: #103 Gus 802
Well, I can't influence how the people of Nevada vote. Whatever I wish for or would like is only wishful thinking and has no effect on the final outcome. On the other hand 6 years is a long time for the state of Nevada to watch their federal funding dry up with a Senator that will sit at #100 in Senate seniority.
As much as I dislike Harry Reid and his brand of politics, the people of Nevada will have no one else to blame but themselves for any consequences if they elect Sharron Angle to the Senate. It may sound a bit cold-hearted, but it's not as if they haven't had ample warning that Angle is crazier than a shithouse rat...they will have voted in the government they deserve if Angle wins.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:52:59pm |
re: #107 3eff Jeff
I dunno. Italians are often described as "Swarthy". Particularly in that desert sun, we tend to get pretty brown.
Yes, but the days when we said you could never assimilate because you didn't understand the Anglo work ethic and honesty and such are over--and now we've forgotten we ever believed that, and turned our 'they can't assimilate' crap-guns on the new incomers.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:53:58pm |
re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist
Fear is what leads politicians to act even crazier.
Possibly. My view is politicians do what they have to do in order to get re-elected. If they thought for a second that they might actually have to answer for their behavior it just might change their minds.
Of course, it would help if we got rid of political parties and their primary crap which only seems to exist in order to elect the most polarizing candidates possible.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:54:26pm |
re: #118 talon_262
As much as I dislike Harry Reid and his brand of politics, the people of Nevada will have no one else to blame but themselves for any consequences if they elect Sharron Angle to the Senate. It may sound a bit cold-hearted, but it's not as if they haven't had ample warning that Angle is crazier than a shithouse rat...they will have voted in the government they deserve if Angle wins.
As Mencken observed:
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:54:39pm |
re: #21 EmmmieG
At present, we have created a situation in which they are literally outlaws... outside the protection of the law, and prey to every vulture out there.
And this is what we don't hear about in this debate. How many women and children are being abused and exploited by American citizens?
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:54:57pm |
re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist
I think of it as a form of inter-cultural hazing.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:55:25pm |
re: #122 eclectic infidel
And this is what we don't hear about in this debate. How many women and children are being abused and exploited by American citizens?
And men. They don't deserve it either.
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3eff Jeff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:55:35pm |
re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, but the days when we said you could never assimilate because you didn't understand the Anglo work ethic and honesty and such are over--and now we've forgotten we ever believed that, and turned our 'they can't assimilate' crap-guns on the new incomers.
Maybe that's why I'm puzzled about how my family magically became white halfway through the Cold War.
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Mark Pennington Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:56:01pm |
New Harry Reid ad: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:56:43pm |
re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist
Fear is what leads politicians to act even crazier.
Come on now, we're talking to people who quite clearly condone Angle's talk of a Second Amendment solution for Harry Reid. People who would like to see that kind of irresponsible, treasonous threat posturing rewarded with a win. Walter and Rogue live, eat, drink and breath fear, it seeps from their pores, it keeps them warm in the middle of the night while they check their bushes for illegal aliens. Fear is their co-pilot.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:57:01pm |
re: #125 3eff Jeff
Maybe that's why I'm puzzled about how my family magically became white halfway through the Cold War.
That's one of the many mysteries of race and ethnicity, it would seem.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:57:04pm |
re: #124 wrenchwench
And men. They don't deserve it either.
Of course men - women and children, traditionally, are easy targets of vultures.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:57:16pm |
re: #125 3eff Jeff
Maybe that's why I'm puzzled about how my family magically became white halfway through the Cold War.
It happened to the Jews, too. And the Irish. Weirdly enough, though, African-Americans NEVER become magically white. It's peculiar.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:57:16pm |
re: #125 3eff Jeff
Maybe that's why I'm puzzled about how my family magically became white halfway through the Cold War.
One branch of my family tree morphed from the Brauns to the Browns circa WWI.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:58:07pm |
re: #127 goddamnedfrank
Come on now, we're talking to people who quite clearly condone Angle's talk of a Second Amendment solution for Harry Reid. People who would like to see that kind of irresponsible, treasonous threat posturing rewarded with a win. Walter and Rogue live, eat, drink and breath fear, it seeps from their pores, it keeps them warm in the middle of the night while they check their bushes for illegal aliens. Fear is their co-pilot.
I suspect Walter fears bears in his trash cans more than illegal immigrants in his bushes.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:58:39pm |
re: #127 goddamnedfrank
Come on now, we're talking to people who quite clearly condone Angle's talk of a Second Amendment solution for Harry Reid. People who would like to see that kind of irresponsible, treasonous threat posturing rewarded with a win. Walter and Rogue live, eat, drink and breath fear, it seeps from their pores, it keeps them warm in the middle of the night while they check their bushes for illegal aliens. Fear is their co-pilot.
I think I've been more than clear multiple times about my views on immigration. keep your stupidity to yourself.
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:58:42pm |
re: #115 Walter L. Newton
"Sure, they may brag about their achievements that make Nancy Pelosi so proud. But this is about survival. So they're busy hurling character attacks at their opponents, in nasty ads, looking for any opening to change the political conversation. And all because they haven't changed Washington."
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
And what went wrong with the Republicans in 2006 and 2008. I never expected anyone to change Washington. Perhaps I did when I was 21 years old, young, and naive. Washington will never change. Feed the trough is he word. Bring home the bacon. If Sharron Angle is elected she's going to have to keep Nellis Air Force Base well fed.
She's also going to have to keep the federal highways leading to LV well paved and full of amenities as well as looking out for everything from agricultural interests to the prostitution industry in Las Vegas. Angle wouldn't or can't go to DC to change it. She will go there to have DC change her once the reality of how this system of government works.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:58:54pm |
re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
One branch of my family tree morphed from the Brauns to the Browns circa WWI.
My bohunk and Polish hebrew forebears all took "Irish" names as soon as they got settled stateside. From what I'm told, all it did was make EVERYONE view them with suspicion.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:59:23pm |
What do you DO with a child who writes in cold blood on a social studies paper, "Glaciers are a sheet of lice".?
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 12:59:31pm |
re: #134 Gus 802
...She will go there to have DC change her once the reality of how this system of government works sets in...
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:00:12pm |
re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist
It happened to the Jews, too. And the Irish. Weirdly enough, though, African-Americans NEVER become magically white. It's peculiar.
Italians in San Francisco too. My dad remembers one family that went from a vowel laden old Italian family name to a bland Anglo sounding one like "Stone." Just to avoid the prejudice leveled at them from the Irish community. Never mind both groups were of the same oppressive/invasive faith.
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MinisterO Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:00:17pm |
re: #118 talon_262
As much as I dislike Harry Reid and his brand of politics, the people of Nevada will have no one else to blame but themselves for any consequences if they elect Sharron Angle to the Senate. It may sound a bit cold-hearted, but it's not as if they haven't had ample warning that Angle is crazier than a shithouse rat...they will have voted in the government they deserve if Angle wins.
You know who else wishes upon Americans what they deserve?
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3eff Jeff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:00:43pm |
re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist
What do you DO with a child who writes in cold blood on a social studies paper, "Glaciers are a sheet of lice".?
Get them a flea dip? Wait, no, that's for kittens.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:01:33pm |
re: #135 Guanxi88
My bohunk and Polish hebrew forebears all took "Irish" names as soon as they got settled stateside. From what I'm told, all it did was make EVERYONE view them with suspicion.
LOL, Someone told them wrong.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:01:46pm |
re: #137 Gus 802
...She will go there to have DC change her once the reality of how this system of government works sets in...
That is the wonder of the Tea Party: they have no concrete policies, just ideology and fiery rhetoric. They have yet to be called upon to deal with the realities of our political system.
But for now, it is to their advantage to simply try to be the ideal candidate that Middle America wants: conservative, hard-working, Washington outsider, etc.
And the less they actually say out loud the better at this point. That was the mistake that Palin made and O'Donnell is making.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:05:11pm |
re: #134 Gus 802
What went wrong was spending. Republicans lost seats in 2006 and '08 because dems bashed them on spending and the small govt types stayed home in retaliation. Even though dems ran on beating down the bush deficit they managed to get the idea in their heads that what people really wanted was massive spending increases. Now it's their turn to pay the price just like the repubs did.
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:08:23pm |
re: #143 RogueOne
What went wrong was spending. Republicans lost seats in 2006 and '08 because dems bashed them on spending and the small govt types stayed home in retaliation. Even though dems ran on beating down the bush deficit they managed to get the idea in their heads that what people really wanted was massive spending increases. Now it's their turn to pay the price just like the repubs did.
The way I saw it in 06 was because of the Iraq War and more importantly the slew of Republican scandals. In 08 I think it was largely a matter of the traditional change from Republicans to Democrats and a sweep caused by Obama.
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allegro Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:09:55pm |
re: #143 RogueOne
What went wrong was spending. Republicans lost seats in 2006 and '08 because dems bashed them on spending and the small govt types stayed home in retaliation. Even though dems ran on beating down the bush deficit they managed to get the idea in their heads that what people really wanted was massive spending increases. Now it's their turn to pay the price just like the repubs did.
We sure witnessed different elections. The ones I saw in '06 and '08 had independents disgusted with a couple of wars, illegal wiretapping, Katrina, gross malfeasance, increasing depredation of the middle class and...
First I heard about problems with spending was about... oh, January 2009.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:10:35pm |
re: #133 RogueOne
I think I've been more than clear multiple times about my views on immigration. keep your stupidity to yourself.
You condone Angle's positions, and you condone her talk of a Second Amendment solution for Reid. You would like to see this call for violent, treasonous evil rewarded with a win, if only because you hate Reid just as much as she does.
It's sick. It's really, really sick.
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blueraven Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:11:38pm |
re: #143 RogueOne
What went wrong was spending. Republicans lost seats in 2006 and '08 because dems bashed them on spending and the small govt types stayed home in retaliation. Even though dems ran on beating down the bush deficit they managed to get the idea in their heads that what people really wanted was massive spending increases. Now it's their turn to pay the price just like the repubs did.
That is a joke. They have no proposals to cut the deficit. They want to continue the Bush Tax cuts for the wealthiest 2%. They don't want to touch medicare advantage program (death panels!). Explode the defense budget. Where are the cuts coming from? The stimulus package adds a tiny fraction to our long term fiscal deficit. As do "earmarks" which they voted against reforming anyway.
Will they repeal drug benefits for seniors that wasnt paid for? What??
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:13:13pm |
re: #144 Gus 802
We'll disagree. From my point of view Obama won places like Indiana (which a dem hadn't won in a generation) in '08 because repubs stayed home and indies switched sides. In '06 I saw the same thing. People have been pissed about spending for 6-8 years but still came out and voted for bush because of Iraq, this time there isn't any other pressing issue other than the economy and spending. It started with Scott Brown but somehow dems missed the message.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:13:19pm |
re: #147 blueraven
Cutting spending is a campaign slogan only. People like spending. They just want to control who gets to do the spending.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:13:20pm |
re: #145 allegro
We sure witnessed different elections. The ones I saw in '06 and '08 had independents disgusted with a couple of wars, illegal wiretapping, Katrina, gross malfeasance, increasing depredation of the middle class and...
First I heard about problems with spending was about... oh, January 2009.
I completely agree!
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:14:13pm |
re: #145 allegro
We sure witnessed different elections. The ones I saw in '06 and '08 had independents disgusted with a couple of wars, illegal wiretapping, Katrina, gross malfeasance, increasing depredation of the middle class and...
First I heard about problems with spending was about... oh, January 2009.
You weren't paying attention. repubs started taking heat about spending in '02. The only thing that kept them in power was terrorism and the Iraq war.
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:15:18pm |
re: #147 blueraven
That is a joke. They have no proposals to cut the deficit.
The 'Pledge to America' in one graph
Fiscal conservatism!!!11!1!!
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allegro Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:15:28pm |
re: #151 RogueOne
You weren't paying attention. repubs started taking heat about spending in '02. The only thing that kept them in power was terrorism and the Iraq war.
WTF? From who? Seriously, I wanna know.
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Claire Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:16:24pm |
re: #147 blueraven
That is a joke. They have no proposals to cut the deficit. They want to continue the Bush Tax cuts for the wealthiest 2%. They don't want to touch medicare advantage program (death panels!). Explode the defense budget. Where are the cuts coming from? The stimulus package adds a tiny fraction to our long term fiscal deficit. As do "earmarks" which they voted against reforming anyway.
Will they repeal drug benefits for seniors that wasnt paid for? What??
Ask Paul Ryan.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:16:49pm |
re: #152 publicityStunted
The 'Pledge to America' in one graph
Fiscal conservatism!!!11!1!!
Fiscal conservatism is just another word for horseshit.
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:17:08pm |
re: #148 RogueOne
We'll disagree. From my point of view Obama won places like Indiana (which a dem hadn't won in a generation) in '08 because repubs stayed home and indies switched sides. In '06 I saw the same thing. People have been pissed about spending for 6-8 years but still came out and voted for bush because of Iraq, this time there isn't any other pressing issue other than the economy and spending. It started with Scott Brown but somehow dems missed the message.
You mean in 04 they came out voting for Bush because of the Iraq war. By 2006 things had already changed. For 06 it was perhaps of what you and I both mention. Many have commented on the reasons why they lost in 06 when Robert Novak chimed in:
Exit polls confirmed what had been clear to anyone who spent any time on the campaign circuit this year. Opposition to the war and the president had produced a virulent anti-Republican mood. About two weeks before the election, political technicians running the campaign of Rep. Charles Bass in New Hampshire suddenly realized that the popular six-termer was in deep trouble. His moderate voting and record of pork-delivery (including a federal prison for his district) meant nothing. He was swept under by the anti-Iraq voting tide.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:17:39pm |
re: #151 RogueOne
You weren't paying attention. repubs started taking heat about spending in '02. The only thing that kept them in power was terrorism and the Iraq war.
GOP could have spent as much money as they wanted...Waking up every morning to news of more soldiers and Marines dying every day from IED's from a stupid war for years pissed off America....
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blueraven Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:18:08pm |
re: #154 Claire
Ask Paul Ryan.
LOL...who is signing on to that? He has no takers my friend.
And read the CBO report on it.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:19:22pm |
re: #153 allegro
You weren't paying attention. repubs started taking heat about spending in '02. The only thing that kept them in power was terrorism and the Iraq war.
WTF? From who? Seriously, I wanna know.
The only people complaining about spending were Democrats, and they were largely ignored by both the administration and the media. The Iraq and Afghan budgets weren't included as part of the actual budget but instead were 'supplemental expenditures'(big fucking supplementals, but supplementals all the same). This enabled the Republicans to pretend they were fiscally responsible (if you didn't count the emergency spending on a war we couldn't avoid, blah blah blah).
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:20:01pm |
re: #146 goddamnedfrank
You condone Angle's positions, and you condone her talk of a Second Amendment solution for Reid. You would like to see this call for violent, treasonous evil rewarded with a win, if only because you hate Reid just as much as she does.
It's sick. It's really, really sick.
I didn't condone anything. I don't have to like Angle or even care about her. All that matters to me is that Reid gets punished. Not just for his being completely inept and leading the country into double digit unemployment and debt as far as they eye can see but that's a big part of it. The other part is how he played u.s. military members in a war zone. For that he doesn't get a pass from me ever.
Just to bring you up to date on my views on immigration, if you didn't know, I'm for completely opening it up, always have been, but this election season is not the time to try to pass immigration reform.
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Gus Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:20:34pm |
OK, BIAB/W but before I go let's not forget!
Sharron Angle is scared of fluoride!
There's much much more out there and a lot was covered by LGF.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:21:04pm |
re: #160 RogueOne
This is a pretty good example of why the desire for vengeance is a really stupid emotion.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:21:34pm |
re: #148 RogueOne
We'll disagree. From my point of view Obama won places like Indiana (which a dem hadn't won in a generation) in '08 because repubs stayed home and indies switched sides.
If Indiana Republicans stayed home in 2008, then how did they manage to win the contests for Governor and Attorney General in that same state wide election, and by wider margins than Obama took the state?
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:21:37pm |
re: #148 RogueOne
Brown won because of a really shitty candidate on the dems side. Spending may have played a part but the repubs were more than happy to spend in the form of the tax cuts for the rich, NCLB, office of faith based initiatives, Medicare part D and let's not forget the war in Iraq when we should have stayed focused on afghanistan. Sorry but the idea that the right and/or republicans were taking heat on spending as early as 02 is bunk. The republicans hate spending only when it's the democrats doing it.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:22:40pm |
re: #160 RogueOne
but this election season is not the time to try to pass immigration reform.
It also wasn't the time to pass Health Care Reform, The Equal Rights Amendment, the Civil Right's Act, etc.
It's never the 'right time' for any major legislation, until it passes...then everyone was in favor of it all along.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:22:57pm |
re: #147 blueraven
How do you come up with the conclusion that raising taxes during a downturn will increase revenues? Did revenues fall during the bush tax cut years? The Dems spent more money in the last 2 years than we've spent total on both wars, how can you possibly blame Afghanistan/Iraq on our deficits?
Try to put the blame where it belongs, on spending not tax cuts. If Bush hadn't increased government expenditures by 104% in 8 years and the dems matching that in 2 short years we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Jack Burton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:23:48pm |
re: #161 Gus 802
OK, BIAB/W but before I go let's not forget!
Sharron Angle is scared of fluoride!
There's much much more out there and a lot was covered by LGF.
Purity
Of
Essence
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:24:54pm |
re: #165 darthstar
Until things get really revanchist and they start muttering about the fourteenth amendment and the CRA being a bad idea.
The ERA has never been ratified, by the way.
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allegro Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:25:50pm |
OT: It seems I have adopted a new "son." Last week, someone dumped a dog here and after 4 days, I finally was able to coax him with food offerings close enough to catch him and bring him in. I think maybe he was chained up in a yard before because his neck where a collar used to be is pure scar tissue. He's clearly not socialized, very wary and spooky of people.
That said, he isn't neurotic so he doesn't seem to have been abused as much as maybe neglected. Within a couple of hours of having him inside on Saturday, he was letting me pet him without dodging away. Now he's moved right in and proving to be quite the little hedonist. He's a terrific little guy, mellow temperament and well behaved. Almost looks like a mini-Rottweiler, very solidly built and quite handsome, weighing maybe 20 pounds.
Since it appears he's going to be staying, he needs a name besides "Buddy" before that's the one that sticks. Anyone got any ideas? Extra points for creativity. :D
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:26:03pm |
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:26:27pm |
re: #168 Obdicut
Until things get really revanchist and they start muttering about the fourteenth amendment and the CRA being a bad idea.
The ERA has never been ratified, by the way.
Give it a couple of decades.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:26:52pm |
re: #169 allegro
"Lucky" is always a good name for the strays who adopt us.
(And you're good people for what you've done.)
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Coracle Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:27:15pm |
re: #160 RogueOne
I didn't condone anything. I don't have to like Angle or even care about her. All that matters to me is that Reid gets punished.
That's called cutting off your face to spite your nose.
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blueraven Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:27:56pm |
re: #166 RogueOne
How do you come up with the conclusion that raising taxes during a downturn will increase revenues? Did revenues fall during the bush tax cut years? The Dems spent more money in the last 2 years than we've spent total on both wars, how can you possibly blame Afghanistan/Iraq on our deficits?
Try to put the blame where it belongs, on spending not tax cuts. If Bush hadn't increased government expenditures by 104% in 8 years and the dems matching that in 2 short years we wouldn't be having this discussion.
From the Center on Budget & Policy Priorities
Image: 4-14-04tax-f1.jpg
[Link: www.cbpp.org...]
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:28:14pm |
re: #166 RogueOne
Are you engaging with the idea that TARP was money spent and not lent, for some reason? And calling that a "Dem" expenditure?
Where are you getting these numbers from?
Image: 12-16-09bud-rev6-28-10-f1.jpg
[Link: www.cbpp.org...]
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:28:59pm |
re: #160 RogueOne
I didn't condone anything.
Perhaps you don't know what condone means.
: to regard or treat (something bad or blameworthy) as acceptable, forgivable, or harmless
You're so fixated on hating Reid unconditionally that nothing Angle says or does could possibly even register on your radar as a reason she shouldn't win against him. For all intents and purposes she said that someone should murder the majority leader of the US Senate, and you couldn't care less.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:29:20pm |
re: #161 Gus 802
But you can still have a good time in Vegas with that survival pack /Slim Pickens
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:30:30pm |
re: #153 allegro
I did a quick google for "bush over spending+2002" and came up with a slew of hits from places like CATO, and places like:
[Link: tech.mit.edu...]
and: [Link: www.ctj.org...]
Conservative groups break with Republican leadership
and: [Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
National leaders of six conservative organizations yesterday broke with the Republican majorities in the House and Senate, accusing them of spending like "drunken sailors," and had some strong words for President Bush as well.
(That last one was 2004 but sometimes it takes people a little longer to get mad)
Not my fault people have short-term memory issues. Everyone but partisan repubs knew it was a problem but now that your guy is doing the spending it's a "recent" issue.
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Jack Burton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:31:12pm |
re: #177 lawhawk
But you can still have a good time in Vegas with that survival pack /Slim Pickens
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:31:49pm |
re: #178 RogueOne
yeah it was such a big deal to them that their guys lost elections.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:32:33pm |
re: #156 Gus 802
I say Novak is crazy and my link in the last post shows how crazy he was.// It's always been about spending, since 2004, nothing more. The Iraq War was very unpopular on the left and eventually the indies lost faith too but if they had been more conservative on the spending issues they could have kept the indies in the fold.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:33:47pm |
re: #169 allegro
I think I'd have to see the dog to be any help. I keep coming up with dumb stuff like "goddamnedfrank" or ArchangelMichael".
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:34:11pm |
re: #159 darthstar
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
Short-term memory issues hippie?///
How does no one remember Trent Lott freaking out over the pork-busters group?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:34:19pm |
I'm just going to say for the record that I love the new witchcraft theme of LGF, I'm hoping we can continue to get breaking news on all occult republican events, seances, covens, congregations of GOP Luciferianists, communions with unseen pantheons, dark consulates, black masses, as they happen
:D
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:35:01pm |
Not-too-bright sockpuppet alert:
New Registration: BlockedRichard
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:35:19pm |
re: #176 goddamnedfrank
Perhaps you don't know what condone means.
: to regard or treat (something bad or blameworthy) as acceptable, forgivable, or harmless
You're so fixated on hating Reid unconditionally that nothing Angle says or does could possibly even register on your radar as a reason she shouldn't win against him. For all intents and purposes she said that someone should murder the majority leader of the US Senate, and you couldn't care less.
And my friend rubbed elbows with her and his big hispanic gamer friends scared her donors in Vegas! :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:36:42pm |
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allegro Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:37:03pm |
re: #182 wrenchwench
I think I'd have to see the dog to be any help. I keep coming up with dumb stuff like "goddamnedfrank" or ArchangelMichael".
Yanno, the names here are an influence. Considering the situation of his arrival, a neighbor suggested Rogue as a name. Thought about it momentarily but rejected it since the little guy is clearly intelligent and adaptive to new circumstances.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:37:23pm |
re: #163 goddamnedfrank
If Indiana Republicans stayed home in 2008, then how did they manage to win the contests for Governor and Attorney General in that same state wide election, and by wider margins than Obama took the state?
Because Daniels is popular? Imagine that, a politician that can keep a state from going bankrupt and moving forward even in the tough times can be liked by 60%+ of the population.
Take a look at the county votes in Indiana for the presidents race and notice the difference between '04 and '08. It was a dramatic switch.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:37:44pm |
If a Democratic candidate for any office said that there should be a second amendment solution for Antonin Scalia or Clarence Thomas, conservatives would shit bricks, light torches and grab pitchforks. So why then do they allow Sharon Angle to get away with an equivalent call to treason?
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:39:15pm |
re: #165 darthstar
It also wasn't the time to pass Health Care Reform, The Equal Rights Amendment, the Civil Right's Act, etc.
It's never the 'right time' for any major legislation, until it passes...then everyone was in favor of it all along.
It doesn't have a chance of passing so why do it and have it beaten so badly that no one mentions it again for 10 years? If they cared about the situation they'd wait and do it when they can get it through. It's the same problem i had with them putting DADT up when they knew it would get beaten because it was attached to a crap bill. If they want it passed then put it up alone, before the election, and let it pass.
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Jack Burton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:39:50pm |
re: #182 wrenchwench
I think I'd have to see the dog to be any help. I keep coming up with dumb stuff like "goddamnedfrank" or ArchangelMichael".
"We named the dog Indiana."
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:39:59pm |
re: #190 goddamnedfrank
If a Democratic candidate for any office said that there should be a second amendment solution for Antonin Scalia or Clarence Thomas, conservatives would shit bricks, light torches and grab pitchforks. So why then do they allow Sharon Angle to get away with an equivalent call to treason?
Because Democrats saying that would be "treason", for Sharron it's just "irony".
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:41:22pm |
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:41:27pm |
re: #170 Killgore Trout
Buzz. Wrong.
According to the OMB, receipts in 2001 were 1.991 trillion. they dropped to 1.782 trillion in 2003, but then were up to 2.1 trillion in 2005 and then 2.523 trillion by 2008. So no, the total on and off budget revenues didn't drop.
2001- 1,991,142
2002 - 1,853,149
2003 - 1,782,321
2004 - 1,880,126
2005 - 2,153,625
2006 - 2,406,876
2007 - 2,568,001
2008 - 2,523,999
2009 - 2,104,995
In addition, the total deficit had closed to 160 billion in 2007, but then grew to 458 billion in 2008, and then exploded to 1.4 trillion in 2009 and the 2010 estimate is 1.5 trillion and may edge lower into 2012 and beyond.
The Bush tax cuts were enacted in 2001, and certain provisions accelerated in 2003. To say that the
re: #174 blueraven
I don't trust those figures since they aren't based on the historical figures provided at the OMB site - and don't track either the total figures or the on-budget figures.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:41:54pm |
re: #190 goddamnedfrank
If angle had in fact said she was proposing the second amendment as a solution to Reid's tenure, you might have a point.
But she didn't, and so you don't.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:42:04pm |
Because fancy hotels and luxury cars cost a lot of money.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:42:16pm |
re: #188 allegro
LOL.
"Buddy" isn't a bad name.
My cats are Presta and Schrader. (Goddamnedfrank and Charles would get it, especially if they knew Schrader had a shorter, fatter tail). I think Schrader is a great name. But I'm a bad one to ask. I actually got to name one of my sisters, and she and I don't get along at all.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:42:28pm |
re: #190 goddamnedfrank
If a Democratic candidate for any office said that there should be a second amendment solution for Antonin Scalia or Clarence Thomas, conservatives would shit bricks, light torches and grab pitchforks. So why then do they allow Sharon Angle to get away with an equivalent call to treason?
Because it just looks so peachy cute and adorable when small little twee aw shucks Republican women say it, she's got red hair and she's sitting in the back of a pickup with the hay bales, gosh she just looks like she came right from the farm nyuk hyuk I'm just jokin' tee hee no but seriously I represent a bunch of psycho klan types with no education and the only thing these fools understand is jokes about killing members of senate
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:42:55pm |
re: #174 blueraven
From the Center on Budget & Policy Priorities
Image: 4-14-04tax-f1.jpg[Link: www.cbpp.org...]
Pic for pic:
[Link: www.heritage.org...]
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:43:28pm |
re: #194 RogueOne
Blank page. The Bush cuts didn't go into affect until 2003, unless I'm mis-remembering.
Sorry. I meant to link to this....
Tax revenue by year
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:43:58pm |
re: #196 Guanxi88
If angle had in fact said she was proposing the second amendment as a solution to Reid's tenure, you might have a point.
But she didn't, and so you don't.
"I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:44:07pm |
re: #197 Killgore Trout
Because fancy hotels and luxury cars cost a lot of money.
ahahah you know who struggles at $250,000?
Idiots who don't know how to handle their money
"I'm struggling! I bought a Bentley continental GT and who knew basic maintenance cost $20,000!
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allegro Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:44:08pm |
re: #198 wrenchwench
I think Schrader is a great name.
That makes me think of the handyman in... what was it? One Day at a Time or something? Wasn't that his name?
(Did I just date myself really bad there?)
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:44:31pm |
re: #197 Killgore Trout
Because fancy hotels and luxury cars cost a lot of money.
Because their expenses have to match their income levels: that is the whole point of living the American Dream: owning and spending as much and as ostentatiously as possible.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:44:40pm |
re: #203 goddamnedfrank
"I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."
Yes, removing Reid from office would be a good way to get people to back off the second amendment stuff.
perfectly simple.
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recusancy Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:44:43pm |
re: #185 wrenchwench
Not-too-bright sockpuppet alert:
I think that's just a way of saying cock blocked.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:45:30pm |
re: #176 goddamnedfrank
Perhaps you don't know what condone means.
: to regard or treat (something bad or blameworthy) as acceptable, forgivable, or harmless
You're so fixated on hating Reid unconditionally that nothing Angle says or does could possibly even register on your radar as a reason she shouldn't win against him. For all intents and purposes she said that someone should murder the majority leader of the US Senate, and you couldn't care less.
harmless hyperbole, unless Reid has been injured in some way? How many men and women in uniform did Reid put in harms way with his talk of the war being lost and the surge a failure? You have your pet peeves and I have mine. Mine consist of using people as political pawns, especially those in uniform.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:45:41pm |
re: #205 allegro
That makes me think of the handyman in... what was it? One Day at a Time or something? Wasn't that his name?
(Did I just date myself really bad there?)
Schneider IIRC.
Schraeder and Presta. hehehe.
I've suggested "Puck" as a cat name once or twice. Mischievous like the sprite - to the point you want to grab a hockey stick.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:46:09pm |
re: #205 allegro
That makes me think of the handyman in... what was it? One Day at a Time or something? Wasn't that his name?
(Did I just date myself really bad there?)
I remember that show. It was Schneider, I think. That could be a good name.
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recusancy Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:46:33pm |
re: #209 RogueOne
harmless hyperbole, unless Reid has been injured in some way? How many men and women in uniform did Reid put in harms way with his talk of the war being lost and the surge a failure? You have your pet peeves and I have mine. Mine consist of using people as political pawns, especially those in uniform.
Holy fucking hypocrite if you were cheerleading Bush for 8 years.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:46:53pm |
re: #209 RogueOne
harmless hyperbole, unless Reid has been injured in some way? How many men and women in uniform did Reid put in harms way with his talk of the war being lost and the surge a failure? You have your pet peeves and I have mine. Mine consist of using people as political pawns, especially those in uniform.
oh man, is this all about Iraq now?
Okay, I'm going to pretend it's 2005, I'll close youtube, and dig out my really old shitty Dell laptop and reinstall XP
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MinisterO Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:47:58pm |
re: #203 goddamnedfrank
"I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."
Obviously it was satire.
The trolls love it when you feed them.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:48:25pm |
re: #208 recusancy
I think that's just a way of saying cock blocked.
Except that "richard12" was blocked yesterday and has had one subsequent sock blocked already.
Or is that what that means?
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allegro Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:48:31pm |
re: #210 oaktree
I've suggested "Puck" as a cat name once or twice.
Ooo, I'm kinda liking that name. A lot shorter and easier to call him than Kokopelli... wait... I think I'm liking Kokopelli...
see why I need help?
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:49:11pm |
re: #218 allegro
I've always though "Nixon" would make a good cat name.
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Jack Burton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:49:17pm |
re: #195 lawhawk
Also, 2002 and 2003 would naturally have had reduced revenues because the economy was in near free-fall after the Dot Com Crash and 9/11. Tax revenue should have been way down, especially from capital gains taxes. The Dow Bottom post 9-11 was March 2003. From 2003 until 2008 tax revenue would naturally increase as the economy picked up. It's hard to say how much of an effect the tax cuts had because of this, and to make a claim they caused reduced revenues while ignoring the bad economy's effects in revenue is somewhat disingenuous.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:49:35pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:50:20pm |
re: #15 goddamnedfrank
It's a classic case of Brown parasites vs. White construction workers.
Poor nevada, if this works on voters
Glad I don't live there, yuck
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:50:26pm |
re: #202 Obdicut
Hee hee. Heritage.
Good one.
One partisan pic for another. I got more.
I'm sure you've seen this one. I believe this one comes straight from the CBO:
Image: bush_deficit_vs_obama_deficit_in_pictures_2.jpg
I've been telling you guys ever since the Brown election that this cycle was going to be all about spending and no one believed me. No one cares about any issues other than spending and the economy.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:50:45pm |
re: #221 ralphieboy
or Fidel
Avoid "Castro". Sounds too much like a certain term cats (and dogs, and people for that matter) get edgy about...
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:50:56pm |
re: #221 ralphieboy
or Fidel
Raoul is better for Siameses, because than they can say their own name.
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webevintage Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:51:14pm |
re: #197 Killgore Trout
Because fancy hotels and luxury cars cost a lot of money.
My fucking heart, it bleeds....
(folks at this income level who whine just piss me the fuck off....there is so much to "cut back" on if money gets tight at that income level. They all need to live on $45,000 a year and try to find some room to cut back within the family budget.)
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:51:26pm |
re: #213 WindUpBird
oh man, is this all about Iraq now?
Okay, I'm going to pretend it's 2005, I'll close youtube, and dig out my really old shitty Dell laptop and reinstall XP
I said earlier that I hold a grudge. This is his first election since making those statements and I want him to pay.
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allegro Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:51:28pm |
re: #223 RogueOne
No one cares about any issues other than spending and the economy.
Perhaps you would be better off speaking for yourself.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:51:44pm |
re: #223 RogueOne
No one still believes you, Rogue, mainly because you've never actually made an argument. You've just made assertions. Assertions that completely ignore all of the fearmongering, race-baiting, and bigotry from the GOP side.
Make an argument. Then maybe people will believe you.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:52:32pm |
re: #225 wrenchwench
Raoul is better for Siameses, because than they can say their own name.
Good one. My two Siamese were named Sherman and Thomas after the Union Civil War generals.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:52:38pm |
re: #226 webevintage
My fucking heart, it bleeds...
(folks at this income level who whine just piss me the fuck off...there is so much to "cut back" on if money gets tight at that income level. They all need to live on $45,000 a year and try to find some room to cut back within the family budget.)
MY FRIENDSH! YOU"RE PRACTICALLY DESTITUTE AT HALF A MIL A YEAR! BLUBBER BLUBBER REPUBLICAN JOWLS GOLDEN MICROPHONE SLOBBER
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:52:42pm |
re: #228 allegro
Perhaps you would be better off speaking for yourself.
I've been begging someone to start an election pool sort of like an NCAA pool so you could all apologize for not paying attention to my predictions.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:53:41pm |
re: #205 allegro
(Did I just date myself really bad there?)
And not just a little bit, either. S'ok, I remember it too.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:53:45pm |
re: #227 RogueOne
I said earlier that I hold a grudge. This is his first election since making those statements and I want him to pay.
Well, good to see it's totally pointless to talk to you about current events because clearly Sharron Angle is just a prop for you to exorcise your many perceived demons about Harry Reid
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:54:00pm |
I'm out. It's been fun. Thread went by fast. I'm still taking the over 50 seats in the pool.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:54:34pm |
re: #207 Guanxi88
Yes, removing Reid from office would be a good way to get people to back off the second amendment stuff.
perfectly simple.
Sure, and if she loses it's right back on the table. She's legitimizing that violent fantasy as one plausible, acceptable political solution, and here you are condoning it right on schedule.
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RogueOne Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:55:07pm |
re: #234 WindUpBird
Well, good to see it's totally pointless to talk to you about current events because clearly Sharron Angle is just a prop for you to exorcise your many perceived demons about Harry Reid
Weird, you talking about people being used as a prop and yet you'd still vote for Reid. Speech over substance I guess.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:56:09pm |
re: #236 goddamnedfrank
Booga! Booga! The rightists will slay our betters, the paragons and Solons who deign to govern us.
Call me when it happens, till then, you're just paranoid.
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allegro Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:56:21pm |
re: #237 RogueOne
Weird, you talking about people being used as a prop and yet you'd still vote for Reid. Speech over substance I guess.
Considering Reid's opponent, I would ahve to vote for this statement as the stupidest statement of the thread.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:56:33pm |
re: #237 RogueOne
Weird, you talking about people being used as a prop and yet you'd still vote for Reid. Speech over substance I guess.
hahahaha substance!
Sharron Angle = SUBSTANCE
hahaha
ah-heehee
hee
oh you card
you're quite a jokester
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:57:05pm |
re: #240 WindUpBird
hahahaha substance!
Sharron Angle = SUBSTANCE
hahaha
ah-heehee
hee
oh you card
you're quite a jokester
And yet, the cipher gives Reid a run for his money.
What does this say about Reid and Nevada?
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recusancy Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:57:09pm |
re: #237 RogueOne
Weird, you talking about people being used as a prop and yet you'd still vote for Reid. Speech over substance I guess.
Hypocritical AND dumb. The full package.
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Coracle Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:58:04pm |
re: #237 RogueOne
Weird, you talking about people being used as a prop and yet you'd still vote for Reid. Speech over substance I guess.
Warts and all, I'd vote _for_ Reid before I voted _against_ Angle if I were a Nevadan.
The way I see it those are the only logical choices. But then I'm afflicted with seeing a bigger picture.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:58:13pm |
re: #239 allegro
Considering Reid's opponent, I would ahve to vote for this statement as the stupidest statement of the thread.
At least we got to the bottom of it, dude hates Reid because of Iraq
guess that solves that
I wish i could think in such simple, mindless terms
it'd probably make my life easier :D
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:58:17pm |
They misunderstood the 2008 motto and have gone with "Hopeless and Change".
//
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:58:43pm |
re: #244 WindUpBird
At least we got to the bottom of it, dude hates Reid because of Iraq
guess that solves that
I wish i could think in such simple, mindless terms
it'd probably make my life easier :D
Ahh, the burdens of superiority. I don't envy you.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:58:49pm |
re: #183 RogueOne
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
Short-term memory issues hippie?///
How does no one remember Trent Lott freaking out over the pork-busters group?
Moonie times? Ha!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:59:30pm |
re: #241 Guanxi88
And yet, the cipher gives Reid a run for his money.
What does this say about Reid and Nevada?
What it says is that Nevadans respond to racism! Like most Americans respond to racism. Because this is a shitty economy, and the people want someone to blame and take out their impotent frustrations and their failures on
I don't have a very high opinion of Nevada in general, they seem to be bound and determined to create a wasteland with their land use planning
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:00:42pm |
re: #244 WindUpBird
Hi, WUB~~ that song I was trying to remember is "Silent Lucidity" by Queensryche from 1990.
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palomino Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:01:52pm |
re: #207 Guanxi88
Yes, removing Reid from office would be a good way to get people to back off the second amendment stuff.
perfectly simple.
What is a "second amendment remedy" other than a threat of armed insurrection or political assassination?
Real fucking funny, huh?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:03:16pm |
re: #246 Guanxi88
Ahh, the burdens of superiority. I don't envy you.
It's a tough life, but I manage
It's pretty tough, you know, not accepting people and parties who think I'm a rapist, but I try
Really great people you got here, real winners in your party, real Americans
it's really hard not to feel like it's mostly uneducated loons and selfish rich people who accept Angle's rhetoric, and there's a lot of uneducated and bigoted people in America
And thus, it's really hard not to feel totally superior
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:03:24pm |
re: #238 Guanxi88
Booga! Booga! The rightists will slay our betters, the paragons and Solons who deign to govern us.
Call me when it happens, till then, you're just paranoid.
Rabin complained to Netanyahu about Benjamin showing up and speaking at political rallies where posters of Rabin's face covered with a snipers crosshairs were prominently displayed. Netanyahu denied that there was any legitimate threat, the rest is history.
"Call me when it happens" is some sick, sad, cowardly garbage. You either choose to have some standards of decency and integrity, or you choose not to. It's that simple.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:03:36pm |
re: #250 palomino
What is a "second amendment remedy" other than a threat of armed insurrection or political assassination?
Real fucking funny, huh?
Wingnuts are in the air, I repeat, winguts are airborne
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:04:28pm |
re: #252 goddamnedfrank
Rabin complained to Netanyahu about Benjamin showing up and speaking at political rallies where posters of Rabin's face covered with a snipers crosshairs were prominently displayed. Netanyahu denied that there was any legitimate threat, the rest is history.
"Call me when it happens" is some sick, sad, cowardly garbage. You either choose to have some standards of decency and integrity, or you choose not to. It's that simple.
Well, that doesn't count, that's all just paperwork
When it's DEMOCRATS in the crosshairs, well, we know they're all dirty fag hippies who hate our troops, so it's cool
Need to get some valiant crusaders for American in that seat
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:05:37pm |
re: #250 palomino
What is a "second amendment remedy" other than a threat of armed insurrection or political assassination?
Real fucking funny, huh?
If you fail to grasp that the best way to get people to back off the wild-eyed talk of resort to the second amendment is to present candidates who are able to address the legitimate concerns of a large and angry portion of the population, and demonstrate thereby that they do not - contrary to their darkest fears - live under a tyranny, then there's not much point in continuing the discussion.
You hide under the beds from the "inevitable" Tea Party violence while I tune my banjo.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:06:17pm |
"Call me when it happens"
September 15, 2008 – A Bourbonnais, Illinois elementary school bus driver was charged with leading a homophobic attack on a 10-year old student passenger. The boy was taunted by the driver who then encouraged other students to chase and beat the child.[193]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:06:54pm |
re: #257 Guanxi88
Cheap superiority is the best kind.
Oh baby, this superiority cost me real money :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:07:15pm |
Call em when it happens
On November 14, 2008, a 22 year old transgender woman, Lateisha Green, was shot and killed by Dwight DeLee in Syracuse, NY because he thought she was gay.[195] Local news media reported the incident with her legal name, Moses "Teish" Cannon.[196] DeLee was convicted of first-degree manslaughter as a hate crime on July 17, 2009, and received the maximum sentence of 25 years in state prison. This was only the second time in the nation’s history that a person was prosecuted for a hate crime against a transgender person and the first hate crime conviction in New York state.[197][198][199]
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:07:29pm |
re: #258 WindUpBird
"Call me when it happens"
September 15, 2008 – A Bourbonnais, Illinois elementary school bus driver was charged with leading a homophobic attack on a 10-year old student passenger. The boy was taunted by the driver who then encouraged other students to chase and beat the child.[193]
Wow! Angle managed to spew so much venom it altered the space/time continuum or something.
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palomino Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:07:52pm |
re: #223 RogueOne
One partisan pic for another. I got more.
I'm sure you've seen this one. I believe this one comes straight from the CBO:
Image: bush_deficit_vs_obama_deficit_in_pictures_2.jpg
I've been telling you guys ever since the Brown election that this cycle was going to be all about spending and no one believed me. No one cares about any issues other than spending and the economy.
What's really important is what's driving those deficits. I know you'd like to think it's all Obama's "runaway spending" and Obama's "govt. takeovers", but it's not.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:07:59pm |
re: #256 Guanxi88
If you fail to grasp that the best way to get people to back off the wild-eyed talk of resort to the second amendment is to present candidates who are able to address the legitimate concerns of a large and angry portion of the population, and demonstrate thereby that they do not - contrary to their darkest fears - live under a tyranny, then there's not much point in continuing the discussion.
You hide under the beds from the "inevitable" Tea Party violence while I tune my banjo.
haha so basically you want the terrorists to win! Got it :)
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:08:47pm |
re: #263 WindUpBird
haha so basically you want the terrorists to win! Got it :)
Absurd, as you know all too well.
"terrorists" indeed.
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McSpiff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:08:58pm |
re: #261 Guanxi88
Wow! Angle managed to spew so much venom it altered the space/time continuum or something.
Is there any candidate that could run against Reid that you wouldn't support? This goes for Rogue as well. David Duke runs against him, who do you vote for?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:09:01pm |
re: #261 Guanxi88
Wow! Angle managed to spew so much venom it altered the space/time continuum or something.
the point is that hateful rhetoric has real consequences, as goddamnfrank just illustrated, with the assassination of Rabin
See why I feel superior? Because you're just not very bright
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allegro Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:09:02pm |
re: #256 Guanxi88
... legitimate concerns of a large and angry portion of the population...
The problem is that this angry population of which you speak has no fucking clue what it is they are angry about as evidenced by the many, many interviews done with them at the tea cracker rallies.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:09:12pm |
re: #256 Guanxi88
If you fail to grasp that the best way to get people to back off the wild-eyed talk of resort to the second amendment is to present candidates who are able to address the legitimate concerns of a large and angry portion of the population, and demonstrate thereby that they do not - contrary to their darkest fears - live under a tyranny, then there's not much point in continuing the discussion.
Look, it's a 72 word strawman!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:09:49pm |
re: #261 Guanxi88
Wow! Angle managed to spew so much venom it altered the space/time continuum or something.
Also, i know you don't give a shit about Angle and other TPers' rhetoric against gays, I know it's not your tribe
but maybe if Angle was talking about how Jewish people shouldn't be able to adopt
maybe that'd get your attention :)
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MinisterO Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:09:58pm |
re: #220 ArchangelMichael
Also, 2002 and 2003 would naturally have had reduced revenues because the economy was in near free-fall after the Dot Com Crash and 9/11. Tax revenue should have been way down, especially from capital gains taxes. The Dow Bottom post 9-11 was March 2003. From 2003 until 2008 tax revenue would naturally increase as the economy picked up. It's hard to say how much of an effect the tax cuts had because of this, and to make a claim they caused reduced revenues while ignoring the bad economy's effects in revenue is somewhat disingenuous.
Very true. This is probably obvious even to those making the "somewhat disingenuous" claim. They just don't care. It's ideology.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:09:58pm |
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:10:31pm |
re: #267 allegro
The problem is that this angry population of which you speak has no fucking clue what it is they are angry about as evidenced by the many, many interviews done with them at the tea cracker rallies.
And how did these toothless, unshodden rubes get so much power so quickly?
Strange times will have us experience these things.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:10:38pm |
re: #267 allegro
The problem is that this angry population of which you speak has no fucking clue what it is they are angry about as evidenced by the many, many interviews done with them at the tea cracker rallies.
exactly
I guess Guanxi must actually have missed all of LGf for the past year or two because there's been a lot of posts about this
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:10:54pm |
re: #272 WindUpBird
Oh man! I wanna build one now!
Is that some sort of throwaway decoy Warhammer thing?
;)
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:11:14pm |
re: #265 McSpiff
Is there any candidate that could run against Reid that you wouldn't support? This goes for Rogue as well. David Duke runs against him, who do you vote for?
That one you sit out, of course, or vote for the Greens
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allegro Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:11:37pm |
re: #273 Guanxi88
And how did these toothless, unshodden rubes get so much power so quickly?
I would substitute the word "power" for "air time." Loud does not equate power.
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McSpiff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:11:53pm |
re: #274 WindUpBird
exactly
I guess Guanxi must actually have missed all of LGf for the past year or two because there's been a lot of posts about this
Some here are determined to go down with the ship. We'll see when the 'blowout' happens I suppose.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:12:10pm |
re: #273 Guanxi88
And how did these toothless, unshodden rubes get so much power so quickly?
Strange times will have us experience these things.
Well let's see:
Black president...
Recists in America empowered to organize because of a black president...
ding!
Pretty easy, dude
It wasn't that long ago that black people couldn't even vote, there's pkenty of people in this country who still think they shouldn;t
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:12:35pm |
re: #278 McSpiff
Some here are determined to go down with the ship. We'll see when the 'blowout' happens I suppose.
It'll be fun to watch
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MinisterO Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:12:53pm |
Kids, this is what happens when you feed the trolls.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:12:56pm |
re: #269 Guanxi88
One of my specialties.
I know.
This gets us back to an earlier comment of yours today. In part:
Politics is a very minor matter, in the grand scheme of things, and I'd become as obsessive and combative over it as those sports enthusiasts whose misplaced fervor had previously earned my sneering amusement.
So looks like now your sneering amusement will be directed at those of us who still take politics seriously. Which isn't really a change, I think.
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McSpiff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:13:25pm |
re: #276 Guanxi88
That one you sit out, of course, or vote for the Greens
So what makes Angle any more viable of a candidate when her positions are clearly based on racist fear-mongering as well? Or did you just decide to skip over Charles's article for fear of it offending your sensibilities.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:13:33pm |
re: #281 MinisterO
Kids, this is what happens when you feed the trolls.
well, Guanxi isn't really a troll, he's more of a throwback to an earlier time at LGF
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:14:01pm |
re: #283 McSpiff
So what makes Angle any more viable of a candidate when her positions are clearly based on racist fear-mongering as well? Or did you just decide to skip over Charles's article for fear of it offending your sensibilities.
Never underestimate the hatred of Reid, they really hate that guy, hahah
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:14:17pm |
re: #279 WindUpBird
Well let's see:
Black president...
Recists in America empowered to organize because of a black president...
ding!
Pretty easy, dude
It wasn't that long ago that black people couldn't even vote, there's pkenty of people in this country who still think they shouldn;t
Elected, it would seem, with a large percentage of the racist vote, unless you mean to suggest a recent wave of Boer immigration.
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McSpiff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:15:04pm |
re: #285 WindUpBird
Never underestimate the hatred of Reid, they really hate that guy, hahah
Na, this is hatred for the democratic party. People are bitter they get their ass handed to them, that the country is still standing and quite frankly Obama is getting his way.
And its fucking great.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:15:23pm |
re: #284 WindUpBird
well, Guanxi isn't really a troll, he's more of a throwback to an earlier time at LGF
It was a magical time, I tells ya, like Woodstock, if Nixon had planned it and Agnew played bass.
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MinisterO Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:15:52pm |
re: #284 WindUpBird
well, Guanxi isn't really a troll, he's more of a throwback to an earlier time at LGF
If trying to bait people into stupid arguments isn't trolling then I may be unclear on the concept.
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palomino Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:15:54pm |
re: #256 Guanxi88
If you fail to grasp that the best way to get people to back off the wild-eyed talk of resort to the second amendment is to present candidates who are able to address the legitimate concerns of a large and angry portion of the population, and demonstrate thereby that they do not - contrary to their darkest fears - live under a tyranny, then there's not much point in continuing the discussion.
You hide under the beds from the "inevitable" Tea Party violence while I tune my banjo.
Your reading of Angle's statement gives her way too much credit. She's neither a satirist nor a deep thinker. Your ability to shrug off political violence is either myopic or reflexive hyper-partisanship.
So now we need to placate citizens who fantasize of second amendment remedies, rather than condemn them as extremists who don't understand that sometimes in a democracy you don't get your way, your party loses and the solution isn't discussion of political violence?
What a shock. A revanchist plays a banjo.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:16:14pm |
re: #250 palomino
What is a "second amendment remedy" other than a threat of armed insurrection or political assassination?
Real fucking funny, huh?
Angle is a nut... and she has been given the chance to "explain" herself, and it doesn't appear that she feels any need to back down from her statements...
"Angle has been provided with ample opportunities to walk back her usage of both the "Second Amendment remedy" and "domestic enemies" phrases, yet each time she has instead chosen to justify them and attack the context in which the media has chosen to place them."
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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McSpiff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:16:43pm |
re: #288 Guanxi88
It was a magical time, I tells ya, like Woodstock, if Nixon had planned it and Agnew played bass.
Alternatively, it was great if you were a nutcase who had recently learned the phrase "let's turn'em into glass!".
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:17:38pm |
re: #290 palomino
Y
So now we need to placate citizens who fantasize of second amendment remedies, rather than condemn them as extremists who don't understand that sometimes in a democracy you don't get your way, your party loses and the solution isn't discussion of political violence?
I dunno - I thought caving in to threats of possible violence was "the done thing now". Didn't some jerkwater preacher in Florida just prove that?
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avanti Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:19:18pm |
For the fans of post war cars, the largest private car museum, a must see if you are a old car fan.
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allegro Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:20:57pm |
re: #293 Guanxi88
I dunno - I thought caving in to threats of possible violence was "the done thing now". Didn't some jerkwater preacher in Florida just prove that?
You see him backing down due to threats of violence and not due to being roundly chastised as a bigoted dumbass on a national level?
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palomino Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:21:14pm |
re: #270 WindUpBird
Also, i know you don't give a shit about Angle and other TPers' rhetoric against gays, I know it's not your tribe
I know I'm a broken record on this, but you can take solace in one simple fact: our tribe is growing, their tribe is shrinking. It's called demographics, and it's immutable.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:21:42pm |
re: #289 MinisterO
If trying to bait people into stupid arguments isn't trolling then I may be unclear on the concept.
Trolling is a term applied to online posters who stubbornly refuse to nod their heads in agreement to the obvious nonsense you're spouting. It's one of those reflexive things - I may be your troll, but you may also be mine.
Troll-identification is usually a sign of a lack of consensus and/or a break-down in intersubjective certitude.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:21:53pm |
re: #295 Guanxi88
(The banjo thing was a bit of humor.)
And Angle's second amendment comment was what, just a bit of humor too?
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allegro Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:22:45pm |
re: #297 palomino
I know I'm a broken record on this, but you can take solace in one simple fact: our tribe is growing, their tribe is shrinking. It's called demographics, and it's immutable.
ZOMG!!! The gay agenda is winning and all our children are belong to teh gayz?!! ///
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:22:59pm |
re: #296 allegro
You see him backing down due to threats of violence and not due to being roundly chastised as a bigoted dumbass on a national level?
That was my take on the whole thing. "You;ll endanger our troops overseas. You'll cause radicalization among the moderates."
And the FBI didn't show up because they thought he was acting in poor taste.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:24:18pm |
re: #299 Walter L. Newton
And Angle's second amendment comment was what, just a bit of humor too?
No, an amazingly dense and clumsy attempt to explain that the supposed revolutionary fervor among the masses has a legitimate outlet through the democratic process, and that Reid's being defeated would go far toward allaying the concerns of many.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:26:03pm |
And with that, I sneak home early.
Later, mein scaly drughi.
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palomino Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:26:12pm |
re: #286 Guanxi88
Elected, it would seem, with a large percentage of the racist vote, unless you mean to suggest a recent wave of Boer immigration.
Obama only got 40% of the white vote. He couldn't have won back in the 80's when the electorate was 90% white.
In 2008 the electorate was only 75% white, so Obama was able to win due to getting roughly 80% of the non-white vote.
As for racist voting, Obama got 9% of the white vote in AL. Even John Kerry, who did no better overall and LOST his presidential election, got 20% of the white AL vote. So not exactly Boers, but you're not too far off.
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McSpiff Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:27:18pm |
re: #302 Guanxi88
No, an amazingly dense and clumsy attempt to explain that the supposed revolutionary fervor among the masses has a legitimate outlet through the democratic process, and that Reid's being defeated would go far toward allaying the concerns of many.
"Now I know you're all a bunch of blood thirsty morons, but we can't kill Reid. Unless I lose. Then do what you will."
Be honest, she's an idiot attempting to exploit other wanna-be revolutionary idiots, and that particular stunt backfired. There'
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palomino Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:27:27pm |
re: #288 Guanxi88
It was a magical time, I tells ya, like Woodstock, if Nixon had planned it and Agnew played bass.
Somehow I don't think 600,000 people would have shown up for that. But Nixon could play a mean piano.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:28:43pm |
re: #15 goddamnedfrank
It's a classic case of Brown parasites vs. White construction workers.
Umm, if they're construction workers, they aren't parasites.
re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist
What do you DO with a child who writes in cold blood on a social studies paper, "Glaciers are a sheet of lice".?
Well, lice are white, and cold-blooded. So the child is partly right. Gently explain that lice are a lousy kind of way to keep your drink cold and what they probably meant was ice, without an L?
But seriously, it was almost certainly what in my part of the country is called a "brain fart". They know better, but the two words sound alike and when the hand went to write the word "ice", out came "lice". It's no big deal. It's just funny.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:32:14pm |
re: #302 Guanxi88
No, an amazingly dense and clumsy attempt to explain that the supposed revolutionary fervor among the masses has a legitimate outlet through the democratic process, and that Reid's being defeated would go far toward allaying the concerns of many.
Hmmmm.. I saw it as a totally irresponsible remark by a political idiot.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:33:47pm |
re: #270 WindUpBird
Also, i know you don't give a shit about Angle and other TPers' rhetoric against gays, I know it's not your tribe
but maybe if Angle was talking about how Jewish people shouldn't be able to adopt
maybe that'd get your attention :)
One would think that her putting air-quotes (aka dick-fingers) around the word autism would rattle Guanxi's cage.
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Slap Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:34:11pm |
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palomino Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:34:20pm |
re: #291 Walter L. Newton
Angle is a nut... and she has been given the chance to "explain" herself, and it doesn't appear that she feels any need to back down from her statements...
"Angle has been provided with ample opportunities to walk back her usage of both the "Second Amendment remedy" and "domestic enemies" phrases, yet each time she has instead chosen to justify them and attack the context in which the media has chosen to place them."
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Good point. And yet we are told that those of us who find this objectionable are somehow insensitive to the tea partiers and their second amendment rights?
But there's a big difference between rights and remedies. The latter implies a threat of physical harm.
And the "domestic enemies" phrase is right out of Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy's playbook. Then again, he got elected and reelected before drinking himself to death. So the strategy can clearly work short term. I guess America doesn't always learn its historical lessons.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:36:28pm |
re: #311 palomino
Then again, he got elected and reelected before drinking himself to death.
A tie in to the next thread!
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palomino Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:37:49pm |
re: #293 Guanxi88
I dunno - I thought caving in to threats of possible violence was "the done thing now". Didn't some jerkwater preacher in Florida just prove that?
Now you're not just moving the goalposts, but playing another sport entirely.
And who caved in to "Pastor" Jones? Should the authorities have used a "second amendment remedy" to prevent him from burning books?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:38:45pm |
re: #311 palomino
Good point. And yet we are told that those of us who find this objectionable are somehow insensitive to the tea partiers and their second amendment rights?
But there's a big difference between rights and remedies. The latter implies a threat of physical harm.
And the "domestic enemies" phrase is right out of Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy's playbook. Then again, he got elected and reelected before drinking himself to death. So the strategy can clearly work short term. I guess America doesn't always learn its historical lessons.
I was taking a short nap, so I didn't stay with this whole thread all the way down, but I was just looking over some of the comments I missed while I was napping, and I was amused at the partisanship of some people who assumed, just because I can't stand Reid, that I support Angle.
I never indicated any support for Angle, just my total dislike of Reid. If I was a residence of NV. I would have to sit this vote out. Angle does not deserve Reid's seat anymore than Reid deserves one more minute of a paycheck as a Senator.
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palomino Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:40:07pm |
re: #295 Guanxi88
(The banjo thing was a bit of humor.)
Oh, it must be that new form of humor that doesn't actually involve comedy or laughter.
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palomino Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:42:25pm |
re: #301 Guanxi88
That was my take on the whole thing. "You;ll endanger our troops overseas. You'll cause radicalization among the moderates."
And the FBI didn't show up because they thought he was acting in poor taste.
Backing down doesn't usually include a declaration of victory (Jones claimed he had convinced the Cordoba people to move their community center).
Nor does it involve holding open the possibility of burning Qurans at a future date, as Jones did.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:44:27pm |
re: #297 palomino
I know I'm a broken record on this, but you can take solace in one simple fact: our tribe is growing, their tribe is shrinking. It's called demographics, and it's immutable.
The very fact that all these races exist should be proof enough that they all have some demographic durability. If they're still here after all this time, they're not likely to just disappear, not even disappear over the course of a few centuries.
The Ainu of Japan are effectively gone. The hill tribes of China, originally the indigenes, are effectively gone. But the Indians of North and South America are not gone. Partly, they remain, as the Cherokee, the Navajo, and so forth, but the greater part of the story is that they've been folded into a new development in which Indian and European and African ancestries are thrown together.
No one tribe is going to come out as the sole forbears of the future population of the U.S. Most of our descendants will trace their ancestry part to Europe, part to Africa, part to Asia, and part to the Americas. (And eventually, 98 percent to African homo-sapiens, and 2 percent to homo Neanderthalensis.)
It's by no means inevitable that all these people are permanently Democrats. As more and more Americans can trace their ancestry to all over, the alignment of class divisions with racial divisions breaks down. Class divisions are politically significant. "Tribe" isn't the only factor at play here.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:47:22pm |
re: #288 Guanxi88
It was a magical time, I tells ya, like Woodstock, if Nixon had planned it and Agnew played bass.
So, more like Altamont then.
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palomino Wed, Oct 6, 2010 2:54:19pm |
re: #314 Walter L. Newton
I was taking a short nap, so I didn't stay with this whole thread all the way down, but I was just looking over some of the comments I missed while I was napping, and I was amused at the partisanship of some people who assumed, just because I can't stand Reid, that I support Angle.
I never indicated any support for Angle, just my total dislike of Reid. If I was a residence of NV. I would have to sit this vote out. Angle does not deserve Reid's seat anymore than Reid deserves one more minute of a paycheck as a Senator.
I'm not that well versed on NV politics. But I do know this: even in 2008, when Obama won NV easily (55-43), Reid was very unpopular in his home state, with approval numbers in the low 30's. And that hasn't gotten better since then. If the gop had nominated someone from the non-Angle/O'Donnell school of sanity, they'd be winning this seat easily.
Reid may suck, but at least he's sane. Putting lunatics like Angle in the Senate is a worse alternative.
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palomino Wed, Oct 6, 2010 3:19:51pm |
re: #317 lostlakehiker
The very fact that all these races exist should be proof enough that they all have some demographic durability. If they're still here after all this time, they're not likely to just disappear, not even disappear over the course of a few centuries.
The Ainu of Japan are effectively gone. The hill tribes of China, originally the indigenes, are effectively gone. But the Indians of North and South America are not gone. Partly, they remain, as the Cherokee, the Navajo, and so forth, but the greater part of the story is that they've been folded into a new development in which Indian and European and African ancestries are thrown together.
No one tribe is going to come out as the sole forbears of the future population of the U.S. Most of our descendants will trace their ancestry part to Europe, part to Africa, part to Asia, and part to the Americas. (And eventually, 98 percent to African homo-sapiens, and 2 percent to homo Neanderthalensis.)
It's by no means inevitable that all these people are permanently Democrats. As more and more Americans can trace their ancestry to all over, the alignment of class divisions with racial divisions breaks down. Class divisions are politically significant. "Tribe" isn't the only factor at play here.
I agree with much of your analysis. But there are certain things to remember when looking at American politics over the next couple of generations. And these things don't bode well for a party that's actually currently moving backwards when it comes to attracting minority voters.
First, political allegiance among the races is surprisingly static. In terms of national figures, whites have voted for the GOP (presidential and congressional elections) at a roughly 55% rate for the last 4 decades. Blacks have voted Dem in the 90%+ range over that same time period, during which Hispanics have voted 60-70% Dem. The same is true with Asians. Sure there are exceptions (Cubans in FL, Vietnamese in So California), but the national numbers haven't changed much.
Second, while the number of multi-ethnic individuals is growing, they are still a very small minority, as most folks still marry/have kids within their race. Moreover, biracial kids are more likely to identify with the minority parent's race.
Third, and most important, is the drastic overall change coming due to population growth rates. Whites are currently 67% of the US population; in 35 years, that number will be 47%--this amounts to a huge, unprecedented change in the ethnic makeup of America. And there's a multiplier effect with kids. Babies born today are already majority-minority. Pretty soon the entire under 18 population will be majority-minority, and these are the new voters of the next few election cycles.
Think of it this way. There are currently 5.5 white voters for every black voter. In 2050, that will be only 3.6 white voters for every black voter. But the even bigger change is among Hispanics. There are currently 6 white voters for each Hispanic voter; by 2050 there will only be 1.6 white voters for each Hispanic.
Point is not that anyone is permanently a member of any party. Rather it's that the GOP cannot continue on its current path and have any chance of an enduring
Republican majority. The party will HAVE to change to appeal to new voters, and this will mean serious policy shifts over the years. As long as it is primarily a party of whites, the GOP will slowly but surely shrink. And as long as the far right/tea party rhetoric dominates the GOP, these necessary shifts are probably impossible.
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MinisterO Wed, Oct 6, 2010 5:36:58pm |
re: #298 Guanxi88
Trolling is a term applied to online posters who stubbornly refuse to nod their heads in agreement to the obvious nonsense you're spouting.
That's a self-serving load of a definition you've served up there. I didn't call you a troll.
You're probably going to miss the subtle beauty of this exchange. I forgive you in advance.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:10:14pm |
re: #204 WindUpBird
ahahah you know who struggles at $250,000?
Idiots who don't know how to handle their money
"I'm struggling! I bought a Bentley continental GT and who knew basic maintenance cost $20,000!
Or more likely, optimists who were earning 300K and stretched to buy that dream home, and then saw their income drop 20 percent. Optimists are by definition idiots, right?
Prudence will suggest that at any income level, it's a mistake to stretch to buy anything. No income, not even that of a justice of the supreme court, is truly secure. [The justices have no protection against inflation, you see.]
I'd say it's a rhetorical stretch to call anyone who buys a house that they cannot easily afford even after taking a substantial drop in income an idiot. Unwise, yes. Imprudent, yes. Idiot?
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 6, 2010 8:31:10pm |
re: #320 palomino
I agree with much of your analysis. But there are certain things to remember when looking at American politics over the next couple of generations. And these things don't bode well for a party that's actually currently moving backwards when it comes to attracting minority voters.
First, political allegiance among the races is surprisingly static. In terms of national figures, whites have voted for the GOP (presidential and congressional elections) at a roughly 55% rate for the last 4 decades. Blacks have voted Dem in the 90%+ range over that same time period, during which Hispanics have voted 60-70% Dem. The same is true with Asians. Sure there are exceptions (Cubans in FL, Vietnamese in So California), but the national numbers haven't changed much.
Second, while the number of multi-ethnic individuals is growing, they are still a very small minority, as most folks still marry/have kids within their race. Moreover, biracial kids are more likely to identify with the minority parent's race.
Third, and most important, is the drastic overall change coming due to population growth rates. Whites are currently 67% of the US population; in 35 years, that number will be 47%--this amounts to a huge, unprecedented change in the ethnic makeup of America. And there's a multiplier effect with kids. Babies born today are already majority-minority. Pretty soon the entire under 18 population will be majority-minority, and these are the new voters of the next few election cycles.
Think of it this way. There are currently 5.5 white voters for every black voter. In 2050, that will be only 3.6 white voters for every black voter. But the even bigger change is among Hispanics. There are currently 6 white voters for each Hispanic voter; by 2050 there will only be 1.6 white voters for each Hispanic.
Point is not that anyone is permanently a member of any party. Rather it's that the GOP cannot continue on its current path and have any chance of an enduring
Republican majority. The party will HAVE to change to appeal to new voters, and this will mean serious policy shifts over the years. As long as it is primarily a party of whites, the GOP will slowly but surely shrink. And as long as the far right/tea party rhetoric dominates the GOP, these necessary shifts are probably impossible.
Well, yes, as far as the next 50 years go. The GOP is on its last legs. But Hispanic voters have no real reason to favor the exact same things as black voters. As whites fade from the scene, if there is to be affirmative action for blacks, it can only come as preferences over the new majority, Hispanics. Hispanics are not likely to feel that they are at fault and must cough up reparations.
The new majority, like the old one, will be the ones paying most of the taxes. Government spending is a negative-sum game at the margin. The next dollar spent gives enough of a benefit to command a majority vote, but the losers of that vote pay more than the winners gain. Hispanics will feel the pinch of this.
The economy will be stretched thinner. You have argued that various demographic groups are remarkably stable. If you are right, then as Hispanic numbers burgeon and white numbers drop, average earnings levels and educational attainment must follow along. It won't be possible to maintain spending by raising taxes on whites. Already too few in number to carry the burden alone, in the future, they will be an utterly insufficient tax base. Either spending will have to be cut, or Hispanics will have to pick up, out of their modest incomes, a much heavier tax load.
It won't be a renewed GOP, not in any form recognizable to us of this day. But there will be a party that wants spending restrained.
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:12:58pm |
re: #2 overtonwindolt
I can see Willie Horton from my house.
The convict, or the one-time Tigers left fielder?
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:18:58pm |
re: #35 avanti
She could have used a picture of "The most interesting man in the world" He plays a Latino, but is actually Jewish and has brown skin.
I love this part--
"Jonathan Goldsmith, 72,...is a New York-born Jew who lives with his wife on a 50-foot Beneteau sailboat in Marina del Rey.
“It’s 47.3 feet,” he corrected during a recent phone interview. “It had a bris … it was 53 feet.”
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:24:04pm |
re: #93 Gus 802
Lower as in abnormal. As in Sharron Angle is an abnormal candidate.
Abby Normal supports Angle?
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Oct 6, 2010 9:32:07pm |
re: #169 allegro
OT: It seems I have adopted a new "son." Last week, someone dumped a dog here and after 4 days, I finally was able to coax him with food offerings close enough to catch him and bring him in. I think maybe he was chained up in a yard before because his neck where a collar used to be is pure scar tissue. He's clearly not socialized, very wary and spooky of people.
That said, he isn't neurotic so he doesn't seem to have been abused as much as maybe neglected. Within a couple of hours of having him inside on Saturday, he was letting me pet him without dodging away. Now he's moved right in and proving to be quite the little hedonist. He's a terrific little guy, mellow temperament and well behaved. Almost looks like a mini-Rottweiler, very solidly built and quite handsome, weighing maybe 20 pounds.
Since it appears he's going to be staying, he needs a name besides "Buddy" before that's the one that sticks. Anyone got any ideas? Extra points for creativity. :D
Kitty.
When my mother got her first cat (just after she divorced my father), she made the mistake of asking me what he should be named. I told her, "Rover". And so it happened.
Mind you, I wasn't a kid when this happened. I was 33.
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