New York Times Profiles Pamela Geller

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Pamela Geller is foaming mad (in other words, in her usual state) about the profile published at the New York Times site today, calling it “nasty … fallacious … full of lies from beginning to end … a vicious hit piece.” Et cetera.

Here it is; I think reporters Anne Barnard and Alan Feuer actually went way too easy on this deranged illiterate bigot, but her hateful personality does come through: Pamela Geller — Blogger, Provocateur, Lightning Rod.

There are several quotes from yours truly included, which must have enraged Geller even more:

“I think she’s enabling a real bigotry — a lot of people are convinced by the propaganda she repeats like a mantra,” said Charles Johnson, who runs the blog Little Green Footballs, where Ms. Geller got her start as a frequent commenter. “Nine-eleven didn’t happen in a vacuum — it came from a long history. But when people like Pam Geller are the loudest voices out there talking about it, it drowns out everything else and makes everyone look crazy.”

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278 comments
1 pharmmajor  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 11:54:38am

To be honest, Charles, I think you were too nice.

2 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 11:55:05am

If she's upset about them quoting you, that's just tit for tat -- NYT quoted her ahead of others when they did their profile on you.

3 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:01:20pm

*grins, feels all warm & fuzzy*

4 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:04:55pm

Reads like a pretty good wrap-up.

5 reginald perrin  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:05:35pm

Cheer up Pammie, the NYT profile gives you an excuse to get drunk.

6 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:05:54pm

A charming genius!

Mr. Spencer says Ms. Geller’s “genius” is translating his sometimes-obscure concepts into vernacular, plus a “charm and appeal” that motivates people to take action. Rich Davis, a founding member of their group, likened her to the lead singer who made the Who’s challenging music popular.

“I think of her like Roger Daltry,” said Mr. Davis, a Navy veteran from Pennsylvania. “He had a good look, a strong personality, and that’s how I think of her. She’s the front man for so many of us who feel the same way.”


"Welcome to the camp!
I guess you all know why we're here.
My name is Pammy, and I became aware this year.
If you want to follow me,
You've got to play pinball.
So put in your earplugs,
Put on your eyeshades,
You know where to put the cork!"

7 philosophus invidius  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:08:35pm

Under what name did she post here?

8 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:09:20pm

re: #6 jaunte

A charming genius!

Roger Daltry? I think I what advice he'd have for those following Shrieky:

9 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:10:09pm

re: #7 philosophus invidius

Under what name did she post here?

user profile

10 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:10:25pm

No mention of her paean to dead South African Neo Nazi and white Supremacist, Terreblanche, no mention of her cribbing articles from Neo Nazis (Hal Turner,) no mention of her pimping Birtherism... they were much, much too kind.

11 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:10:37pm

Meanwhile, Pam's friends in the EDL are rioting in the UK today....
EDL Protesters Attack Sky News Truck

Oddly enough their video report does not contain footage of the news crew being attacked. Crappy reporting.

The EDL did break out and roamed the streets beating up Asian looking people....


More here....

12 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:11:04pm

re: #7 philosophus invidius

Under what name did she post here?

Her first comment as a registered user:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

13 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:13:05pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

Meanwhile, Pam's friends in the EDL are rioting in the UK today...
EDL Protesters Attack Sky News Truck

Oddly enough their video report does not contain footage of the news crew being attacked. Crappy reporting.

The EDL did break out and roamed the streets beating up Asian looking people...

[Video]

That'll actually prompt Fox News to be less friendly to the EDL. Sky News is also owned by News Corp.

14 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:21:15pm

OT: One of my frogs has become very vocal. He's been in the neighbor's yard croaking all day.

15 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:21:20pm

Definitely a touchy feely article. Another one needs to be done at that level that calls her out for her bigotry and outright lies.

16 researchok  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:21:59pm

Actually, I thought the NYT piece was rather sedate.

Both Geller and Spenser have advocated a kind of benign genocide of Muslims. No Muslims or forms of Islam can be tolerated or trusted. Even the proponents of their agenda aren't ready for what the real Geller/Spenser agenda means.

As soon as they can find the right Goebbels to deliver their message their coy and coded calls will be less vague.

Any psychopathy left untreated or unchallenged will escalate.

Take that to the bank.

17 darthstar  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:23:00pm

Happy Saturday, everyone...just got back from taking the dogs to the beach, and now it's off to San Francisco for a "scavenger hunt" and dinner with friends.

oh, and here's a little tid-bit from C-SPAN...In her defense, the woman is 90 years old and has no idea how she sounds...


18 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:26:18pm

re: #15 eclectic infidel

It portrays her accurately as an idle rich troublemaker, but doesn't but too fine a focus on her most extreme and crazy statements.

Married in 1990 to Michael H. Oshry, a wealthy car dealer from the Five Towns who was himself the son of a wealthy car dealer from the Five Towns, she quit in 1994 to stay home with her daughters.

Ms. Geller got nearly $4 million when the couple divorced in 2007, and when Mr. Oshry died in 2008, there was a $5 million life-insurance policy benefiting her four daughters, said Alex Potruch, Mr. Oshry’s lawyer. She also kept some proceeds from the sale of Mr. Oshry’s $1.8 million house in Hewlett Harbor.

“Pamela wanted to live in the city,” Mr. Potruch said. “He made certain that she had sufficient support to buy a co-op in the city and survive there without having to work.

19 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:27:38pm

re: #17 darthstar

Happy Saturday, everyone...just got back from taking the dogs to the beach, and now it's off to San Francisco for a "scavenger hunt" and dinner with friends.

oh, and here's a little tid-bit from C-SPAN...In her defense, the woman is 90 years old and has no idea how she sounds...

[Video]

Moderator gets Emmy for "Keeping Cool While Wanting to Torch Some Ignorant Antique Ass".

20 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:28:49pm

The things she says are so incredibly vulgar. I don't know how she can stand herself. Seriously. That kind of seething, vicious hatred constantly percolating through your head has to be extremely harmful—much more so to yourself than the targets of your ire.

21 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:29:13pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

I should be pretty much immune to the feeling by now, but sometimes things like those videos give me a certain feeling of wonderment at the fact that it is now completely commonplace for a person to be able to capture fairly high-quality video and audio on a commonly available hand-held communication device, and make it available for anyone to see almost anywhere in the world within minutes.

22 webevintage  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:29:51pm

re: #17 darthstar


oh, and here's a little tid-bit from C-SPAN...In her defense, the woman is 90 years old and has no idea how she sounds...

Ah, hahahaha
I saw that somewhere earlier.
The call in segments on C-SPAN are just made of crazy goodness....

23 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:29:58pm

re: #18 jaunte

It portrays her accurately as an idle rich troublemaker, but doesn't but too fine a focus on her most extreme and crazy statements.

For her daughters' sake, I hope Pam doesn't have access to any of that life insurance money. Something tells me she'd go through that money as quickly as--oh, I don't know, maybe a Five Towns girl.

24 researchok  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:31:29pm

I'll tell you what really upset Geller- the piece was published on Friday, a low circulation day.

25 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:31:46pm

re: #21 negativ

I should be pretty much immune to the feeling by now, but sometimes things like those videos give me a certain feeling of wonderment at the fact that it is now completely commonplace for a person to be able to capture fairly high-quality video and audio on a commonly available hand-held communication device, and make it available for anyone to see almost anywhere in the world within minutes.

It took three reading for me to guess whether that refers to PG or the antebellum caller to C-Span. Still not positive.

26 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:33:32pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

It took three reading for me to guess whether that refers to PG or the antebellum caller to C-Span. Still not positive.

Both?

27 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:36:14pm

re: #26 ClaudeMonet

Both?

Amazing how well it fits both.

28 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:36:23pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I quoted #11 and referenced "those videos", so the answer is "neither."

29 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:36:29pm

re: #18 jaunte

Yeah. That must be nice to be so well taken care of, so all there's left to do is rant uncontrollably without a care in the world.

30 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:36:48pm

Okay, I've been avoiding my Saturday chores all day hoping they'd go away. They didn't, so I guess I have to go do them. *sigh* BBL

31 researchok  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:37:16pm

re: #29 eclectic infidel

Yeah. That must be nice to be so well taken care of, so all there's left to do is rant uncontrollably without a care in the world.

Her money has little to do with her hate.

32 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:37:36pm

re: #29 eclectic infidel

That element does make her even more annoying.

33 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:38:05pm

re: #31 researchok

Her money has little to do with her hate.

True enough, but it does give her a lot of spare time to spread it around.

34 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:38:51pm

re: #28 negativ

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I quoted #11 and referenced "those videos", so the answer is "neither."

I was reading it in Spy, couldn't see #11. You gave us a good accidental example of convergent thought patterns.

35 researchok  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:39:47pm

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

True enough, but it does give her a lot of spare time to spread it around.

True enough- but you know how creative any kind of obsessive dysfunction can be.

She's find a way to spread her hate.

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:40:02pm

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

True enough, but it does give her a lot of spare time to spread it around.

One of the medieval commenters says that the verse of Torah that the King James captures as 'thou shalt not suffer a witch to live' means that you do not pay for someone to perform witchcraft, you don't give them a living from it.

Similarly, you shouldn't make it possible for anyone to make a living from hate. If they have their own income, however, you just have to be veeery veeeery wary.

37 researchok  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:42:31pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

One of the medieval commenters says that the verse of Torah that the King James captures as 'thou shalt not suffer a witch to live' means that you do not pay for someone to perform witchcraft, you don't give them a living from it.

Similarly, you shouldn't make it possible for anyone to make a living from hate. If they have their own income, however, you just have to be veeery veeery wary.

Yeah- your previous comments made me think of all those loser lunatics who spread their hate and racism via the internet from trailers in the backwaters of Arkansas and Idaho and attract huge followings.

Makes me sick, you know?

38 jordash1212  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:43:21pm

I had no idea Geller got her start here.

39 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:43:23pm

re: #31 researchok

Her money has little to do with her hate.

She just happens to be another Ayn Rand fanatical objectivist who inherited the vast majority of her wealth.

40 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:43:28pm

re: #37 researchok

Yeah- your previous comments made me think of all those loser lunatics who spread their hate and racism via the internet from trailers in the backwaters of Arkansas and Idaho and attract huge followings.

Makes me sick, you know?

Skoal Diva.

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:44:09pm

re: #37 researchok

Yeah- your previous comments made me think of all those loser lunatics who spread their hate and racism via the internet from trailers in the backwaters of Arkansas and Idaho and attract huge followings.

Makes me sick, you know?

Stormfront types, bloggers?

42 researchok  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:44:25pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

She just happens to be another Ayn Rand fanatical objectivist who inherited the vast majority of her wealth.

Not unlike the Starbucks socialists.

43 researchok  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:45:01pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

Stormfront types, bloggers?

Yes- and every variation thereof.

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:45:45pm

re: #42 researchok

Not unlike the Starbucks socialists.

My one-time attempts to become a serious leftist were hampered by my need to hold down a full-time job.

45 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:45:48pm
Anders Gravers, a Danish “anti-Islamization” activist (“Jihad is the knife slicing the salami of freedom”


Hah. This is the first time I've seen that metaphor.

46 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:46:39pm

We must be careful to hide the salami of freedom!

47 nines09  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:46:46pm

I think the most revealing part of this is how easily Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin among others in the GOP hitched their wagon to this bigot.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:47:06pm

re: #45 jaunte

Hah. This is the first time I've seen that metaphor.

'the salami of freedom'?

49 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:47:52pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

'The olive loaf of liberty."

50 researchok  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:48:19pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

My one-time attempts to become a serious leftist were hampered by my need to hold down a full-time job.

Having to pay ones own bills and saving up for a car casts a dark shadow over dreams of working in the fields for the apparathiks.

51 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:48:22pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

She just happens to be another Ayn Rand fanatical objectivist who inherited the vast majority of her wealth.

Which would seems to make her a "second-hander", to use Rand's parlance in The Fountainhead. Nice heap of irony there.

52 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:48:53pm

re: #37 researchok

Yeah- your previous comments made me think of all those loser lunatics who spread their hate and racism via the internet from trailers in the backwaters of Arkansas and Idaho and attract huge followings.

Makes me sick, you know?

Are their followings really that huge, or are they and the media that periodically breaks" their stories simply using each other?

re: #38 jordash1212

I had no idea Geller got her start here.

Perhaps her online start was here (I don't know), but her pathology probably goes waaaaaaaaayyyy back. One usually doesn't go that nuts overnight.

53 Mark Pennington  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:49:02pm

re: #12 Charles

Her first comment as a registered user:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Proof that she has always been Ms. Crazypants.

54 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:49:39pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

'the salami of freedom'?

Yeah. But men need to make sure they don't slap that salami or they'll go blind. :D

55 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:50:05pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

'the salami of freedom'?

Comes with a nice "Pickle of Peonage".

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:50:05pm

re: #49 jaunte

'The olive loaf of liberty."

"The pepperoncini of equality under the law."

"The provolone of justice."

57 researchok  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:50:06pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

'the salami of freedom'?

Do you have any idea what a therapist could do with that?

That woman is job security for shrinks.

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:50:27pm

re: #50 researchok

Having to pay ones own bills and saving up for a car casts a dark shadow over dreams of working in the fields for the apparathiks.

And I never even got the car.

59 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:51:08pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

My one-time attempts to become a serious leftist were hampered by my need to hold down a full-time job.

That hampers most people's ability to be seriously political. They get tired at work and want to go home.

60 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:51:45pm

re: #57 researchok

It was actually Anders Gravers who started the salami thing:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

61 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:51:54pm

re: #45 jaunte

Hah. This is the first time I've seen that metaphor.

This is a very common metaphor used by the European fascist far right -- it means you slice away one piece of salami ("freedom") at a time and nobody notices. It's similar to the "boiling a frog" metaphor.

It's mentioned in Safire's Political Dictionary:

[Link: books.google.com...]

62 researchok  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:52:17pm

re: #52 ClaudeMonet

Are their followings really that huge, or are they and the media that periodically breaks" their stories simply using each other?

re: #38 jordash1212

Perhaps her online start was here (I don't know), but her pathology probably goes waaayyy back. One usually doesn't go that nuts overnight.

Their followings are big enough to buy and maintain properties, feed and house up to hundreds of followers, buy weapons and so on.

Theirs is a business model that works.

63 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:53:41pm

re: #62 researchok

Their followings are big enough to buy and maintain properties, feed and house up to hundreds of followers, buy weapons and so on.

Theirs is a business model that works.

Have you ever tried getting homeowner's coverage on a compound?

64 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:53:48pm

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

"The pepperoncini of equality under the law."

"The provolone of justice."

Throw in some hummus of liberty and you've got the appetizer sampler plate of democracy.

65 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:54:20pm

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

Which would seems to make her a "second-hander", to use Rand's parlance in The Fountainhead. Nice heap of irony there.

Not unlike the many "limousine liberals" who support left-wing causes that are supposedly there to help "the people". Personally, I had more than enough of that type back in college, people with great wealth who want the money of "the rich" to be used to help "the poor", provided THEIR OWN (or Daddy and Mommy's) money was kept intact.

re: #46 jaunte

We must be careful to hide the salami of freedom!

Ah, "hide the salami". A fine old game.

66 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:54:38pm

re: #57 researchok

Do you have any idea what a therapist could do with that?

That woman is job security for shrinks.

No. one session with her would drive a shrink to drink. Can you imagine having to listen to her hate spew for 45 minutes?

Shrink: "We need to look more deeply and your interactions with reporters..."

Pam: "NO WE DON'T! THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY ARE IN THE TANK FOR ISLAM!! AND THE VERY ASKING OF THAT QUESTION MEANS THAT YOU ARE TOO!!!111"

67 researchok  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:54:40pm

re: #63 Decatur Deb

Have you ever tried getting homeowner's coverage on a compound?

You know, I'd let their compound burn.

How Beckian of me.
/

68 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:54:42pm

re: #61 Charles

Thanks, I'll add that book to my list!

69 researchok  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:56:03pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

No. one session with her would drive a shrink to drink. Can you imagine having to listen to her hate spew for 45 minutes?

Shrink: "We need to look more deeply and your interactions with reporters..."

Pam: "NO WE DON'T! THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY ARE IN THE TANK FOR ISLAM!! AND THE VERY ASKING OF THAT QUESTION MEANS THAT YOU ARE TOO!!!111"

Her therapist would record their sessions.

No one writes fast enough to keep up with her psychopathy.

70 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:56:15pm

BBIAB

71 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 12:56:39pm

re: #65 ClaudeMonet

Not unlike the many "limousine liberals" who support left-wing causes that are supposedly there to help "the people". Personally, I had more than enough of that type back in college, people with great wealth who want the money of "the rich" to be used to help "the poor", provided THEIR OWN (or Daddy and Mommy's) money was kept intact.

re: #46 jaunte

Ah, "hide the salami". A fine old game.

Best described in "Radical Chic and Ma-Mauing the Flak Catchers", 1970.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

72 researchok  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:07:35pm

What upsets me most of all is her blatant racism.

Even if you concede the points that there are ongoing organized and deliberate efforts to harm US and there are many others who while not terrorists, sympathize with the terrorist goals, these are in no representative of all of Islam.

Muslims are more often than not victims of their own political and religious leaderships. The hate we see is more often that not indoctrinated from a very young age.

Nevertheless, the vast majority of those oppressed- be it political, religious, ideological- want to rid themselves from that tyranny.

The vast majority of Europeans who turn to terror are first generation immigrants. Second generation, by a wide majority, want noting to do with terror or religion that embraces or condones terror.

I could go on, but these are truths that Geller/Spenser choose to ignore.

They are racists. plain and simple.

73 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:11:15pm

she's not a witch, she's you


*screams*

74 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:11:47pm
75 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:12:06pm

re: #72 researchok

If Mandy were still here she'd remind us that Islam is not a race big truck, it's a series of tubes, many of which are packed with virgins.

76 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:12:45pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

Best described in "Radical Chic and Ma-Mauing the Flak Catchers", 1970.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Yes! "Radical Chic"! That's exactly the phrase I was looking for and not remembering.

77 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:13:17pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

I like fascists. They taste like chicken!
/om nom nom

Closeup of skinhead doggie munch:

Image: x910.jpg

78 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:13:27pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Nice captioning from the 'Quick Step' banner in the background.

79 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:14:47pm

Looks like that pooch got a nice taste of the EDL. That's gonna leave a mark.

80 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:14:54pm

re: #76 ClaudeMonet

Yes! "Radical Chic"! That's exactly the phrase I was looking for and not remembering.

IIRC, Leonard Bernstein was the poster boy.

81 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:15:06pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

I like fascists. They taste like chicken!
/om nom nom

"Doggie want treat for good work today?"
"Doggie want freaking mouthwash, then a treat."

82 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:15:29pm

re: #77 Charles

Closeup of skinhead doggie munch:

Image: x910.jpg

lol

83 researchok  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:15:37pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

If Mandy were still here she'd remind us that Islam is not a race big truck, it's a series of tubes, many of which are packed with virgins.


Calls to genocide, whether or overt or sublime are simply not acceptable.

84 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:17:23pm

"Mom always said if I kept making this face I'd be stuck like that."

85 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:19:39pm

From the article:

Opposition to Park51 grew — and with it, antipathy for Islam. A New York Times poll last month found that two-thirds of city residents thought the project should be relocated. A Quinnipiac University poll of likely New York State voters showed that 90 percent of Republicans — compared to 34 percent of Democrats — thought that a mosque near ground zero was wrong. And the portion of Americans with a favorable view of Islam reached its lowest ebb since 9/11 — 37 percent, according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll.

I added the bold. That's what is so insidious about creeps like the now banned (multiple times, yet still stalks on Twitter) richard12, who insisted that the feelings of people objecting to Park51 must be considered. By considering (and whipping up) those people's feelings, racists like Geller have made this country less home-like, less welcoming, and probably less safe for a lot of Americans and wanna-be Americans.

Have another drink, Pam. Reality will not make you feel better.

86 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:20:30pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

I sed no camerath!

88 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:23:10pm

re: #85 wrenchwench

From the article:

I added the bold. That's what is so insidious about creeps like the now banned (multiple times, yet still stalks on Twitter) richard12, who insisted that the feelings of people objecting to Park51 must be considered. By considering (and whipping up) those people's feelings, racists like Geller have made this country less home-like, less welcoming, and probably less safe for a lot of Americans and wanna-be Americans.

Have another drink, Pam. Reality will not make you feel better.

'richard12' has tried to re-register sock puppet accounts three times so far.

89 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:24:21pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

Throw in some hummus of liberty and you've got the appetizer sampler plate of democracy.

And to whom do you pass on the fruitcake of wingnuttery at Christmas?

90 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:24:37pm

re: #88 Charles

'richard12' has tried to re-register sock puppet accounts three times so far.

Is he clever enough to try "richard13, richard14..."?

91 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:27:25pm

re: #86 jaunte

I sed no camerath!

heh

92 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:32:49pm

re: #90 Decatur Deb

Is he clever enough to try "richard13, richard14..."?

He was "clever" enough for this one.

93 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:34:22pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

He was "clever" enough for this one.

Damn near a Poe's Law violation.

94 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:36:59pm

re: #31 researchok

Her money has little to do with her hate.

But the money does afford her things to promote her hatred that the average blogger can't do.

95 researchok  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:40:35pm

re: #94 eclectic infidel

But the money does afford her things to promote her hatred that the average blogger can't do.

I wonder how much of her money she actually expends. I believe she is spending the money her readers send her.

The article mentions Spenser's source of income.

I'd like to know who has her on their payroll.

96 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:46:30pm
“In the war between the savage and the civilized man,” Ms. Geller says, “you side with the civilized man.”

What would you know about civilization, you vicious bitch?

97 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:50:21pm

re: #96 Romantic Heretic

What would you know about civilization, you vicious bitch?

Hey, hey, hey, she's on the Upper East Side. She knows her own brand of civilization.

98 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:50:27pm

Hah! After a year of her and her tea party buddies calling everyone in the GOP who didn't agree with them "Elitists" she shrieks at NYT figuring out that she's a socialite dilletante elitist:

But one thing I can tell you is that the numbers quoted from my divorce settlement are grossly, wildly inaccurate. I don't want to air dirty laundry in public, but there is absolutely no truth to what Anne Barnard and Alan Feuer "reported" about this.

Referring to me using terms like "socialite," "dilletante," and other words invoking silly, superficial, purposeless women, is downright farcicial.

99 Linden Arden  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:51:27pm

It perturbs me that Geller usurps a book name from someone who would intensely dislike her.

Ayn Rand despised conservatives and denounced Christianity as "the perfect kindergarten for communism." So where is her equal opportunity hate on all religions?

100 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:52:55pm

re: #98 Thanos

Hah! After a year of her and her tea party buddies calling everyone in the GOP who didn't agree with them "Elitists" she shrieks at NYT figuring out that she's a socialite dilletante elitist:

[...]

Referring to me using terms like "socialite," "dilletante," and other words invoking silly, superficial, purposeless women, is downright farcicial.

Downright what?

101 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:55:35pm

re: #98 Thanos

Referring to me using terms like "socialite," "dilletante," and other words invoking silly, superficial, purposeless women, is downright farcicial.

Their prediclictions are overshelming farcicial!

103 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 1:59:58pm

From the article:

More recently, Mr. Spencer worked with Ms. Geller on her book “The Post-American Presidency,” published this summer by Simon & Schuster for what she described as a six-figure advance. He helped her sober up her tone, she said, by removing those “little darlings,” in hopes of bolstering the credibility of her argument that Mr. Obama is “not only presiding over but actively promoting the decline of America.”

He failed at that, and it was not the more important sobering up needed there.

104 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:01:42pm

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Damn near a Poe's Law violation.

We're all lucky the trolls are so dumb.

105 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:03:44pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Republicans Scrub Nazi-Impersonating House Candidate From Young Guns Website

So the limit is Nazis. Anything up to that seems to be OK.

106 Linden Arden  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:04:12pm

Does anyone else remember the term used for the US - "melting pot"?

I heard it a lot growing up. Has it been redacted by the Texas schoolbook kings?

107 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:04:45pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Republicans Scrub Nazi-Impersonating House Candidate From Young Guns Website

As they should.

/One SS man thrown under the T-34...

108 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:05:57pm

re: #105 wrenchwench

So the limit is Nazis. Anything up to that seems to be OK.

Not quite, it's A-OK to promote Nazism and White Supremacists, it's just not ok to dress like them. [See Shrieking Harpy posts on Terreblanche, VB, and others...]

109 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:06:50pm

re: #108 Thanos

Not quite, it's A-OK to promote Nazism and White Supremacists, it's just not ok to dress like them. [See Shrieking Harpy posts on Terreblanche, VB, and others...]

Actually it's probably ok by them to dress like one too as long as you don't get your picture taken...

110 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:08:32pm

re: #101 Charles

Their prediclictions are overshelming farcicial!

Do you think it's Freudian that she types like a drunk might talk?

111 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:10:44pm

re: #110 Thanos

Do you think it's Freudian that she types like a drunk might talk?

No. Too little thought mixed with too much wine.

112 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:13:50pm

BBL

113 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:26:56pm

re: #106 Linden Arden

Does anyone else remember the term used for the US - "melting pot"?

I heard it a lot growing up. Has it been redacted by the Texas schoolbook kings?

I remember it. Unfortunately, it's fallen well out of favor as everyone prefers the separation of their own ethnic/religious/preference group over their common identity as citizens of the USA (or Canada).

When my mother's family escaped Germany and came here in 1934, one of their top priorities was assimilation. They were no longer Germans, they were determined to be Americans. They spoke German only when the older folks were around or when they were trying to not be overheard; otherwise, it was English, English, English, even in the privacy of their homes.

On my father's side of the family, the attitude was, "We're here, and why would we want to be reminded of the sh**holes we fled in the 19th century?" As my father often said, "There are good reasons why we're FROM there."

Imagine trying to get today's immigrants to do that. Heck, imagine trying to get today's "natural-born citizens" to speak English.

114 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:29:13pm

re: #110 Thanos

Do you think it's Freudian that she types like a drunk might talk?

Read some of her old comments here. It's obvious that she often posted drunk. I saw one in which she said she "violates the Iron Fist rule", which means she posted while drunk.

So, not Freudian. Dionysian?

115 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:34:19pm

Here's a revealing (11:49) video report on the racists in the EDL, for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

After watching the video, see who gets a prominent link from the EDL site:
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

116 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:40:39pm

I finally made it through all of the NYT article. If Geller's so-caled thinking is in any way representative of those who grew up in and around the city, I have to thank my parents for getting our family out of there.

What a loon. What a hypocrite.

117 BishopX  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:43:55pm

re: #113 ClaudeMonet

You'd be surprised how fast 2nd generation folks start assimilating when they're in the public schools. As long as the school is diverse enough to make it hard to get by socially in a mother tongue.

118 babaoriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:53:43pm

Nine eleven does have a long history

For fifty years the United States has been in the middle east telling people what to do and how to live. We would not tolerate this so how can we expect them to. If you hit someone y ou cannot be surprised when they hit back. You reap what you sow.

c

119 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 2:56:51pm

Wait. Whut?

120 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:00:37pm

Lefty sez what?

121 Kragar  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:01:21pm

Looks like I picked a good time to check in.

122 lawhawk  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:01:39pm

re: #116 ClaudeMonet

Hey... I grew up in the City, and got married in the 5 Towns. I resemble that remark.

123 reginald perrin  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:02:19pm

re: #118 babaoriley

If you're a parody troll, you need to step up your game. That was a crappy first comment.

124 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:02:22pm

Lefty or Paulian? Probably not Islamist.

125 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:02:54pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

Lefty or Paulian? Probably not Islamist.

Trollian.

126 Kragar  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:05:08pm

re: #123 reginald perrin

If you're a parody troll, you need to step up your game. That was a crappy first comment.

Though it is an excellent example of authentic frontier gibberish.

127 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:06:08pm

re: #113 ClaudeMonet

Imagine trying to get today's immigrants to do that. Heck, imagine trying to get today's "natural-born citizens" to speak English.

On the other hand, the owner of a local Spanish language radio station was lamenting that none of the kids these days has the slightest interest in Spanish.

128 lawhawk  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:06:54pm

re: #123 reginald perrin

But it would make a good example of a last comment...

129 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:08:53pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

On the other hand, the owner of a local Spanish language radio station was lamenting that none of the kids these days has the slightest interest in Spanish.

There will be a nostalgic move to recover it in the third or fourth generation. See "Gaelic Revival".

130 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:08:54pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

Lefty or Paulian? Probably not Islamist.

Gee, I wonder what the troll thinks of Israel.

131 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:09:32pm

re: #118 babaoriley

O, hai!
I can haz whut ur smokin?

132 babaoriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:16:43pm

re: #128 lawhawk

Purge the nonbelievers right?

133 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:17:05pm

re: #119 Charles

Wait. Whut?

Charles, can we keep him if we promise to clean up after him?

134 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:17:29pm

re: #132 babaoriley

Purge the nonbelievers right?

No.
More like, explain and attempt to defend your position.

135 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:17:55pm

Boring breed of troll we are getting around here lately.

136 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:18:00pm

re: #132 babaoriley

Purge the nonbelievers right?

Are you a non-believer?

137 Reginald Perrin  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:18:16pm

re: #132 babaoriley

Purge the nonbelievers right?

More like ban the trolls.

138 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:19:24pm

Off-topic: For a good romp, I humbly suggest renting (however you rent movies these days) "In the Loop," a British comedy that's a farce on the back office dealings of aides and politicians (as both the U.S. and GB prepare for war against a Middle Eastern nation). The dialog is fricken hilarious as are the one liners. James Gandolfini gets to play a peace-loving general who's not afraid to speak his mind. Then again, all the characters speak what's on their mind - rather viciously. Not for kids - no nudity or violence but PLENTY of potty mouth talk.

139 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:19:49pm

re: #132 babaoriley

Purge the nonbelievers right?

You reap what you sow

140 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:20:56pm

re: #6 jaunte

A charming genius!

babaoriley

141 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:21:02pm

re: #132 babaoriley

Purge the nonbelievers right?


Not at all. Now that you've stated your case, please do explain what you mean and why.

142 babaoriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:23:46pm

re: #130 eclectic infidel

I think what happens in Israel is their problem, not mine

re: #131 Varek Raith

O, hai!
I can haz whut ur smokin?

You like camel lights? I'll send you one in the mail

143 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:26:17pm

re: #125 Decatur Deb

Trollian.

I wish they wouldn't leave their messy web remnants about the various threads...

144 BishopX  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:26:19pm

re: #142 babaoriley

You're not going to last long here....

I do agree with your basic premise though, US positions in the middle east since 1948 did have a lot to do with why the US has a terrorism problem.

145 Reginald Perrin  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:28:57pm

It may be a good idea not to feed the troll, you know how much Charles hates the troll dropping they leave all over the place.

146 freetoken  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:30:12pm

re: #144 BishopX

I do agree with your basic premise though, US positions in the middle east since 1948 did have a lot to do with why the US has a terrorism problem.

Hmmm....

147 babaoriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:30:51pm

re: #141 eclectic infidel

Not at all. Now that you've stated your case, please do explain what you mean and why.

Since you I asked nicely I will.

The original blog author stated nine eleven has a long history. I agree but the history I alluded to in my original post is why we were hit that day. When you make it your policy to interfere with others and support dictators (sadam, Saudi royal family) then you should expect retribution.

148 Winny Spencer  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:32:43pm

I agree with her on one point though. Seeing her in that bikini wasn't particularly titillating.

149 babaoriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:35:03pm

re: #144 BishopX

You're not going to last long here...

I do agree with your basic premise though, US positions in the middle east since 1948 did have a lot to do with why the US has a terrorism problem.

After most of the responses I have recieved I must say I don't really care how long I last around here

thank you for being the first to adress what I wrote instead of debating my troll status

150 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:35:08pm

re: #147 babaoriley

Since you I asked nicely I will.

The original blog author stated nine eleven has a long history. I agree but the history I alluded to in my original post is why we were hit that day. When you make it your policy to interfere with others and support dictators (sadam, Saudi royal family) then you should expect retribution.

That would by no means truly justify hijacking aircraft full of civilians to crash into buildings full of more civilians. Those that make terrorism attacks always have some pet event or series of events they put forward to justify their actions. But carrying out the attacks on civilian targets are the height of cowardice.

And, finally, a terrorist attack is not going to bring someone to the negotiating table. Instead, it much more often simply triggers reprisals and the tightening cycle of violence that simply leads to death and destruction for the sake of hatred.

151 freetoken  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:36:36pm

re: #150 oaktree

And, finally, a terrorist attack is not going to bring someone to the negotiating table.

No kidding. The past two decades has demonstrated, worldwide, that terrorism -> bombs being dropped.

152 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:37:34pm

re: #151 freetoken

No kidding. The past two decades has demonstrated, worldwide, that terrorism -> bombs being dropped.

If anything terrorism attacks have been made hoping to trigger reactions and inflame the situation further.

153 freetoken  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:39:39pm

re: #152 oaktree

Instigation for warfare as a means of social control. It's as old as civilization.

154 avanti  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:43:27pm

re: #149 babaoriley

After most of the responses I have recieved I must say I don't really care how long I last around here

thank you for being the first to adress what I wrote instead of debating my troll status

OK, lets assume many in the middle east do see a problem with our history in that region. That history certainly influenced the terrorists, but that in no way excuses murdering civilians for a perceived injustice.
Following that moral logic, we could have nuked Afghanistan civilians over 9-11.

155 babaoriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:48:51pm

re: #150 oaktree

That would by no means truly justify hijacking aircraft full of civilians to crash into buildings full of more civilians. Those that make terrorism attacks always have some pet event or series of events they put forward to justify their actions. But carrying out the attacks on civilian targets are the height of cowardice.

And, finally, a terrorist attack is not going to bring someone to the negotiating table. Instead, it much more often simply triggers reprisals and the tightening cycle of violence that simply leads to death and destruction for the sake of hatred.

Civilians elect the government, civilians fund the government and civilians need to keep a watchful eye on the government if that government seeks to engage in nefarious activities half way around the world. I'm not defending hijackers, I'm looking at it from their perspective.

I don't think they want to negotiate, they want us out of their lives. If some sort of peace treaty were to be drafted it wouldn't matter because uncle SAMs signature is worthless, ask the Cherokee about that.

156 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:55:01pm

re: #155 babaoriley

Civilians elect the government, civilians fund the government and civilians need to keep a watchful eye on the government if that government seeks to engage in nefarious activities half way around the world. I'm not defending hijackers, I'm looking at it from their perspective.

I don't think they want to negotiate, they want us out of their lives. If some sort of peace treaty were to be drafted it wouldn't matter because uncle SAMs signature is worthless, ask the Cherokee about that.

If no peace treaty or agreement would be acceptable to them then you propose that their viewpoint is total and unending war following no moral strictures.

In which case I would hope that the civilians and powers that support them would gain sufficient sense to refuse to back such a stance and withdraw the aid that promotes the continuation of a process that can only lead to further destruction and degradation of all involved parties.

157 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 3:58:35pm

re: #155 babaoriley

Al-Qaeda has used the Crusades has justification for attacking the West.
Tell me, what the hell could we possibly do about that?

158 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:02:11pm

re: #156 oaktree

If no peace treaty or agreement would be acceptable to them then you propose that their viewpoint is total and unending war following no moral strictures.

In which case I would hope that the civilians and powers that support them would gain sufficient sense to refuse to back such a stance and withdraw the aid that promotes the continuation of a process that can only lead to further destruction and degradation of all involved parties.

Hmmm that sounds like nullification to me!

They will engage in total war (just like William T Sherman) until we are off their
soil. Continued conflict in the middle east benefits no one except those who stand to make money.

159 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:02:54pm

re: #158 BabaOriley

Your solution is...
What, exactly?

160 Gus  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:03:08pm

re: #157 Varek Raith

Al-Qaeda has used the Crusades has justification for attacking the West.
Tell me, what the hell could we possibly do about that?

Invent a time machine. /

161 Gus  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:04:22pm

re: #158 BabaOriley

Hmmm that sounds like nullification to me!

They will engage in total war (just like William T Sherman) until we are off their
soil. Continued conflict in the middle east benefits no one except those who stand to make money.

Right. Especially given that the Sunni and Shia get along so well.

162 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:05:00pm

re: #157 Varek Raith

Al-Qaeda has used the Crusades has justification for attacking the West.
Tell me, what the hell could we possibly do about that?

Al-Qaeda would have no supporters if not for our current intereference, they would be a 10 person militia playing with guns on Sundays after their religeous service.

163 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:05:55pm

re: #159 Varek Raith

Stop screwing with foriegners and mind our own business.

164 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:06:19pm

re: #162 BabaOriley

Al-Qaeda would have no supporters if not for our current intereference, they would be a 10 person militia playing with guns on Sundays after their religeous service.

That's not an answer based in reality.
Tell me, what could we possibly do to placate them over the Crusades, which happened before the US ever existed?

165 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:07:17pm

re: #161 Gus 802

Right. Especially given that the Sunni and Shia get along so well.

That's their problem, if they want to murder one another than that's their business and I'll have no part of it

166 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:07:42pm

re: #163 BabaOriley

Stop screwing with foriegners and mind our own business.

Ah, the Fortress America type.
Figured.

167 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:09:06pm

re: #164 Varek Raith

That's not an answer based in reality.
Tell me, what could we possibly do to placate them over the Crusades, which happened before the US ever existed?

We wouldn't have to placate them, they wouldn't matter without the ability to do anything

168 Gus  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:09:57pm

re: #165 BabaOriley

That's their problem, if they want to murder one another than that's their business and I'll have no part of it

Then you admit that they would be killing each other regardless. That's a good first step. Look at Afghanistan. After the Soviets withdrew they were eventually overtaken by the Taliban (many by way of Pakistan) who not only terrorized their own people but harbored Al Qaeda. Seemingly on their own and with almost no outside influence it was effectively the breeding ground for the 911 attacks. So, we did nothing, and yet they attacked.

169 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:11:07pm

re: #117 BishopX

You'd be surprised how fast 2nd generation folks start assimilating when they're in the public schools. As long as the school is diverse enough to make it hard to get by socially in a mother tongue.

I understand. I'm one of those 2nd-generation folks, I guess, since my mother's family came here when she was four.

170 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:12:15pm

re: #166 Varek Raith

Ah, the Fortress America type.
Figured.

So what is wrong with minding our own business and engaging in peaceful commerce with the rest of the world?

171 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:12:35pm

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Though it is an excellent example of authentic frontier gibberish.

As bad as my stomach feels right now, I still managed a big laugh at that one. Nicely done!

172 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:15:01pm

re: #170 BabaOriley

So what is wrong with minding our own business and engaging in peaceful commerce with the rest of the world?

That sounds good in theory.
However, in reality, that simply doesn't work.

173 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:16:47pm
38 atlasshrugged 2/09/2006 2:32:57 pm PST

bunker drink up! Tuborg ought to sponsor an AA meeting...

not funny an ex was a...whatever

174 dell*nix  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:17:04pm

re: #167 BabaOriley

Was that the answer relayed to Thomas Jefferson?

175 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:18:40pm

re: #173 wrenchwench

Lol.
Must've been a hell of a mining op to find that!
;)

176 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:19:22pm

re: #168 Gus 802

Then you admit that they would be killing each other regardless. That's a good first step. Look at Afghanistan. After the Soviets withdrew they were eventually overtaken by the Taliban (many by way of Pakistan) who not only terrorized their own people but harbored Al Qaeda. Seemingly on their own and with almost no outside influence it was effectively the breeding ground for the 911 attacks. So, we did nothing, and yet they attacked.

The hijackers were Saudi for the most part, we have been in Saudi Arabia for a long time supporting their religeous dictaors. the CIA has been involved in Afghanistan for years, I'm sure they wanted something in return for training and arming the Taliban / Al Qaeda back in the 80's.

177 dell*nix  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:19:27pm

re: #170 BabaOriley

A large chunk of the rest of the world consists of some very evil types that do not share your version of reality.

178 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:19:45pm

re: #170 BabaOriley

So what is wrong with minding our own business and engaging in peaceful commerce with the rest of the world?

Yes, everyone wants to sit around a campfire, singing "Kum-ba-ya". Everyone is going to deal fairly with everyone else, everyone is going to be honest, there'll be harmony and understanding, sympathy and trust abounding, no more falseness or derision, golden living, dreams and visions, mystic crystal revelations...

We apologize for this not being a world of rainbows and unicorns.

179 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:20:00pm

re: #172 Varek Raith

That sounds good in theory.
However, in reality, that simply doesn't work.

Explain

180 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:21:00pm

re: #179 BabaOriley

Explain

Britain almost collapsed to Nazi Germany because of this thinking.
Would that be something you'd be willing to accept?

181 sagehen  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:22:20pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

On the other hand, the owner of a local Spanish language radio station was lamenting that none of the kids these days has the slightest interest in Spanish.

Just try to find a good Yiddish theater these days...

182 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:23:10pm

re: #177 dell*nix

A large chunk of the rest of the world consists of some very evil types that do not share your version of reality.

You misspeak... Baba's vision of unreality. That answer of Baba's "So what is wrong with minding our own business and engaging in peaceful commerce with the rest of the world?" belies a person who has no understanding of world history and no knowledge of common human interaction.

Baba... please don't go out in public too often, you'll get eaten alive.

183 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:24:38pm

re: #181 sagehen

Just try to find a good Yiddish theater these days...

There's a good one in Warsaw... I've been there... you need directions?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

184 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:25:45pm

re: #177 dell*nix

A large chunk of the rest of the world consists of some very evil types that do not share your version of reality.

Alot of the world is pissed off because the United States tries to impose their will on every one.

There is nothing wrong with defense, it's the offense I object to. A 9 year war to retaliate against a single attack doesn't add up

185 Gus  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:26:33pm

re: #176 BabaOriley

The hijackers were Saudi for the most part, we have been in Saudi Arabia for a long time supporting their religeous dictaors. the CIA has been involved in Afghanistan for years, I'm sure they wanted something in return for training and arming the Taliban / Al Qaeda back in the 80's.

Who or what do you think the opposition in Saudi Arabia is? It's not a secular organization but instead the opposition is represented by extremist Islamists and it includes Al-Qaeda and it cells. You ignore the Kingdom and you effectively allow SA to capitulate to an even more extremist state.

Yes, the CIA was in Afghanistan. They were there helping the Afghanistan people fight against the Soviet invasion. In fact, we were the good guys in the clandestine war. Once the Soviets and the CIA left they were left to their own devices and it included external (from Pakistan) and internal Taliban control.

186 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:26:42pm

re: #180 Varek Raith

Britain almost collapsed to Nazi Germany because of this thinking.
Would that be something you'd be willing to accept?

Let me know when the Germans hit our beaches I'll be there with my rifle

187 Gus  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:27:58pm

re: #186 BabaOriley

Let me know when the Germans hit our beaches I'll be there with my rifle

Wait. Let me guess. You think we could have negotiated peace with the 3rd Reich and FDR knew about the impending attack on Pearl Harbor?

188 dell*nix  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:32:08pm

re: #184 BabaOriley

A large part of the world is pissed off at everybody else regardless of what they do or don't do. It is belief systems that drive the anger and hatred.

Take a look at the religious wars of whatever era or region. Or just the local gang wars in any one city.

Hell, take a look at any disfunctional family for that matter.

189 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:32:10pm

re: #170 BabaOriley

So what is wrong with minding our own business and engaging in peaceful commerce with the rest of the world?

Peaceful commerce is actually the key reason why US-centric culture has gained major influence in the world. And is one reason that the US is resented in a lot of places as well.

Two questions:

1. What changes in foreign policy do you think the US government should make?

2. Given that the two parties that split/alternate power in the US Govt are unlikely to change policy much in the next ten years what do you think the average person on the street should be doing in the mean time?

190 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:35:57pm

re: #175 Varek Raith

Lol.
Must've been a hell of a mining op to find that!
;)

Not too involved, actually. Put

"user:AtlasShrugged", drink

in the search box, set the date parameters, and choose from among the many options. I'm trying to think of another keyword to try.

191 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:36:14pm

re: #184 BabaOriley

Alot of the world is pissed off because the United States tries to impose their will on every one.

In general, the US does not do that. We do, however, have a Cold War-spawned history of short-sighted "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and "back the lesser of two evils" thinking that has either directly or indirectly caused all sorts of problems. To outsiders who view the results of our every action as being exactly what we intended (seeing as we are of course omnipotent and omniscient, as any conspiracy theorist worth his salt will tell you) rather than a consequence of frequently bungling incompetence, it's not hard to see how so many of our foreign policy missteps could be seen by those affected by them as evil rather than merely stupid.

There is nothing wrong with defense, it's the offense I object to. A 9 year war to retaliate against a single attack doesn't add up


The point was not retaliation. The point was to remove the Taliban, which was actively providing a playground for Al Qaeda, and to kill and/or capture as many AQ as possible.

192 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:41:38pm

re: #186 BabaOriley

Let me know when the Germans hit our beaches I'll be there with my rifle

Got ya.
Your vision of the world would be very dark indeed.
No thanks.

193 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:43:03pm

re: #155 babaoriley

Civilians elect the government, civilians fund the government and civilians need to keep a watchful eye on the government if that government seeks to engage in nefarious activities half way around the world. I'm not defending hijackers, I'm looking at it from their perspective.

I don't think they want to negotiate, they want us out of their lives. If some sort of peace treaty were to be drafted it wouldn't matter because uncle SAMs signature is worthless, ask the Cherokee about that.

No, they want to conquer or kill us, they've made that pretty clear. There can be no coexistence with Radical Islam; It must be destroyed.

194 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:43:11pm

re: #176 BabaOriley

The hijackers were Saudi for the most part, we have been in Saudi Arabia for a long time supporting their religeous dictaors. the CIA has been involved in Afghanistan for years, I'm sure they wanted something in return for training and arming the Taliban / Al Qaeda back in the 80's.

Oh, the moth-eaten "propping up dictators" meme. What do you think would have replaced the current Saudi regime if we had not helped them? Is Osama bin Laden not at least a potential religious dictator? One of his stated grievances is that we sent infidel soldiers into Saudi Arabia to expel Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991. Would Saddam be any better? Is there any living person naive enough to think he would have stopped at Kuwait? Could Osama's men have expelled the Iraqis on their own, as he claims? They and many others required a great deal of western and Chinese assistance to drive the Russians out of Afghanistan, after all. Perhaps you would prefer that the Soviets had stayed, indeed, that they had occupied the whole middle east, as they certainly would have done without our opposition. The Soviet Union could exist to this day with the profits they could have reaped from that, to say nothing of the prestige and gratitude they would have earned from Islamist populations for destroying Israel. Oh, yes, the masses of Soviet military aid would certainly have allowed the Arab nations to overwhelm the Israelis after 1967 if we had not offset it. Btw, contrary to all anti-Israel propaganda and lying inferences, US military aid to Israel did not begin until the country had existed for 20 years.

There is that Mossadegh business in Iran in 1953, but there are two sides to that story as well. In any case; Mossadegh was a leftist, despised by mullahs and fanatics, and Al Qaeda is not an Iranian organization or even a Shiite one for that matter.

If one is so crazy as to back to the Crusades, as AQ does, then why stop there? Why not go back a few additional centuries to the Muslim conquests of Christian lands and holy sites in the years immediately after the Prophet?
Simplistic generalities like "telling people what to do and how to live" are no substitute for facts. Where are yours?

195 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:43:36pm

That's a nice standard argument blaming the U.S. for 9/11. What a creep.

Off-topic: some dialog from "In the Loop":

1 = Malcolm Tucker, Prime Minister's Director of Communication (thin looking guy)
2 = Generla George Miller, Senior Military Assistant, Pentagon (linebacker type)
------------------------------------------------------------

1. "Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa...General Flintstone. Was it you? Did you leak PWPPIP? I mean, I know you can't fire a gun, but can you use a fax?"

2. No, I didn't leak PWPPIP. I do everything upfront, okay? Not like some creepy gay mercenary that sneaks around doing other people's dirty work."

1. "Hey I am doing my own work, I'm doing my own job."

2. "No, you'e doing Linton's dirty work. You're his little English bitch and you don't even know it. Bet it I went into your hotel room tonight, I'd see you on all fours, little fishnets on, him hanging on the back of you."

1. "Oh, that's nice. That's nice. That's tough talk from a fucking armchair general."

2. "You know Tucker, you might be a scary little poodle fucker back there in London, but here you're nothing. Know what you look like? A squeezed dick, got a little blue vein running up the side of your head. See, that's where I'd put the bullet but i'd have to stand back because you look like you'd be a squirter."

1. "Have you ever killed anybody? I mean, really?"

2. "Yeah."

1. "Well I mean, falling asleep on someone, that doesn't count."

196 Gus  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:51:56pm

re: #192 Varek Raith

Got ya.
Your vision of the world would be very dark indeed.
No thanks.

Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes! By then it's too late. If he's speaking in a historical context I think he either forgot or is ignoring the U-Boat campaign. Theoretically where would one draw the line? Wait until Canada was invaded or wait for an invasion to cross the border? It's an absurd proposition of course.

Anyway, I think some people get carried away with a fantasy that the USA can be neutral country like Switzerland and get away with it. I say that because look at how many in the world expected the USA to act unilaterally in Darfur. Which of course they arrived at that conclusion after the fact since if we did act unilaterally in Darfur it would have led to worldwide comdenation even if it could have prevented the genocide that took place there.

197 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:52:20pm

OK, I just check and the Troll has logged off and gone back under his bridge.

[heading upstairs]

198 Gus  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:54:25pm

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

OK, I just check and the Troll has logged off and gone back under his bridge.

[heading upstairs]

He's still logged in. Unless he logged off to register another name.

199 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 4:55:46pm

This all rather reminds me of a former co-worker whose mother was a big-time lefty peace activist. She knew all the peacenik celebrities, Ron Kovic, Oliver Stone, etc. (ohh ooh ooh!)
He was steeped in their mythology (Howard Zinn especially) and believed that this wicked land had never been justified in going to war, because "our territory had not been attacked." I pointed out that Guam and Hawaii, both attacked on the first day of the Pacific War, were US territory, and the Phillipines were a US commonwealth transitioning to independence and under formal US protection. He promptly raised the bar, declaring "but they weren't states!"

200 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 5:07:06pm

re: #198 Gus 802

He's still logged in. Unless he logged off to register another name.

I clicked the users tab and he's not listed.

201 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 5:15:07pm

re: #99 Linden Arden

It perturbs me that Geller usurps a book name from someone who would intensely dislike her.

Ayn Rand despised conservatives and denounced Christianity as "the perfect kindergarten for communism." So where is her equal opportunity hate on all religions?

Rand also saw Homosexuality as wrong, but could find no justification at all for why the government should try and do anything about in any way. She was also pro abortin.

Ayn Rand makes Pamela Geller look like a cartoon character....

202 Gus  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 5:19:44pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

I clicked the users tab and he's not listed.

OK

Anyway, BBL.

203 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 5:24:29pm

re: #184 BabaOriley

Alot of the world is pissed off because the United States tries to impose their will on every one.

There is nothing wrong with defense, it's the offense I object to. A 9 year war to retaliate against a single attack doesn't add up

How about four year war like how we reacted in WW2?

204 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 5:29:18pm

re: #203 jamesfirecat

How about four year war like how we reacted in WW2?

forget it, James. That troll is what happens when you smoke crack instead of catnip.

205 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 5:36:18pm

re: #194 Shiplord Kirel

Bravo!!

206 sagehen  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 5:38:21pm

re: #196 Gus 802

Anyway, I think some people get carried away with a fantasy that the USA can be neutral country like Switzerland and get away with it. I say that because look at how many in the world expected the USA to act unilaterally in Darfur. Which of course they arrived at that conclusion after the fact since if we did act unilaterally in Darfur it would have led to worldwide comdenation even if it could have prevented the genocide that took place there.

People thought at the time, and even more so in hindsight, that we had the ability to pretty easily prevent what happened in Rwanda... and I don't think anybody would have complained if we had. Of course, if we had prevented it, there'd be no way to absolutely prove what had been prevented, and it would be easy to accuse us of exaggerating what would have happened, but I'm not convinced the accusations would have gotten a lot of traction.

Of all the things I'm angry at Bush/Cheney for, our loss of credibility has to rank near the top.

207 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:03:29pm

re: #189 oaktree

Peaceful commerce is actually the key reason why US-centric culture has gained major influence in the world. And is one reason that the US is resented in a lot of places as well.

Two questions:

1. What changes in foreign policy do you think the US government should make?

2. Given that the two parties that split/alternate power in the US Govt are unlikely to change policy much in the next ten years what do you think the average person on the street should be doing in the mean time?

1. Bring the troops home, from everywhere ww2 was 65 years ago japan and Germany will be fine without us. Stop policing the world there are bad guys everywhere let's worry about ours.

2. State and local elections are key, elect people who will resist the federal gov

208 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:06:22pm

re: #207 BabaOriley

1. Bring the troops home, from everywhere ww2 was 65 years ago japan and Germany will be fine without us. Stop policing the world there are bad guys everywhere let's worry about ours.

2. State and local elections are key, elect people who will resist the federal gov

What about the federal gov needs to be resisted exactly?

209 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:06:55pm

re: #192 Varek Raith

Got ya.
Your vision of the world would be very dark indeed.
No thanks.

And yet a vision of the world that requires my money and the possibility of my children dying in some third world hellhole is acceptable?

210 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:08:46pm

re: #208 jamesfirecat

What about the federal gov needs to be resisted exactly?

Sending our men and women off to die for no good reason, the heavy federal taxation that makes it possible

211 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:10:15pm

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

OK, I just check and the Troll has logged off and gone back under his bridge.

[heading upstairs]

The troll went out to dinner with his wife, it's not polite to use my iPhone at the dinner table

212 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:10:16pm

re: #207 BabaOriley

1. Bring the troops home, from everywhere ww2 was 65 years ago japan and Germany will be fine without us. Stop policing the world there are bad guys everywhere let's worry about ours.

2. State and local elections are key, elect people who will resist the federal gov

So what do you think about Ron Paul?

213 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:11:00pm

re: #210 BabaOriley

Sending our men and women off to die for no good reason, the heavy federal taxation that makes it possible

No, actually is congress' power to declare war that makes it possible, the "heavy taxation " (which is the lightest its been in years) makes it possible for us to supply them with the weapons and equipment that gives them a chance to survive....

214 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:11:32pm

re: #210 BabaOriley

Sending our men and women off to die for no good reason, the heavy federal taxation that makes it possible

No good reason?! We are preventing Afghanistan from being used as a refuge for terrorism. That, sir, is a good reason.

215 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:12:44pm

re: #203 jamesfirecat

How about four year war like how we reacted in WW2?

We were attacked by the Japanese, for some reason we attacked the Germans

216 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:13:20pm

re: #201 jamesfirecat

Ayn Rand makes Pamela Geller look like a cartoon character...

Ayn Rand makes Ayn Rand look like a cartoon character.

217 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:13:40pm

re: #213 jamesfirecat

No, actually is congress' power to declare war that makes it possible, the "heavy taxation " (which is the lightest its been in years) makes it possible for us to supply them with the weapons and equipment that gives them a chance to survive...

When was the last time congress declared a war?

218 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:14:03pm

re: #215 BabaOriley

We were attacked by the Japanese, for some reason we attacked the Germans

Get back to us when you figure out why.

219 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:15:04pm

re: #215 BabaOriley

We were attacked by the Japanese, for some reason we attacked the Germans

The Germans declared war on us and promptly began a submarine offensive against our shipping. They were in the wrong, not us.

220 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:15:04pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

No good reason?! We are preventing Afghanistan from being used as a refuge for terrorism. That, sir, is a good reason.

If it's such a good reason why are you at home on the computer? Fight your own battles don't make someone else do it for you

221 BabaOriley  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:16:16pm

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

The Germans declared war on us and promptly began a submarine offensive against our shipping. They were in the wrong, not us.

Because our ships were taking weapons to their enemies, do you see where not being involved could be avantagous?

222 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:16:26pm

re: #215 BabaOriley

We were attacked by the Japanese, for some reason we attacked the Germans

Germany delcared war on us actually after Japan attacked us...

223 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:16:41pm

re: #220 BabaOriley

If it's such a good reason why are you at home on the computer? Fight your own battles don't make someone else do it for you

Last I heard, we had an All Volunteer military. No one is being "made" to do anything except the Islamist scum being made to die. And they deserve it.

224 Gus  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:17:00pm

re: #221 BabaOriley

Because our ships were taking weapons to their enemies, do you see where not being involved could be avantagous?

Screw you.

225 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:17:29pm

re: #220 BabaOriley

If it's such a good reason why are you at home on the computer? Fight your own battles don't make someone else do it for you

This is known as the 'chickenhawk fallacy.'

226 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:17:41pm

re: #221 BabaOriley

Because our ships were taking weapons to their enemies, do you see where not being involved could be avantagous?

And what would you have done? Let England fall to tyranny?

227 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:18:30pm

re: #222 jamesfirecat

Germany delcared war on us actually after Japan attacked us...

This is how revisionist history starts. Hitler declared war on us because they backed Japan. So when we declared war on Japan, Hitler declared war on the U.S.

228 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:18:43pm

re: #225 jaunte

This is known as the 'chickenhawk fallacy.'

Been a long time since we've seen it here. Reminds me of 2006-2007.

229 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:18:44pm

Obvious trolls are very obvious, and will only get so many comments at LGF. This one's quota has been exceeded.

230 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:18:49pm

LOL!
You want to REALLY hurt Pammie?
Empathise that she misses her Daddie.
And needs a strong male presence in her life.
She is acting out to try to achieve this.
Pam, I feel so sorry for you. I hope that you are able to accomplish whatever it is, that you needs are driving you towards. And that your children are not being hurt by your needs.
Regards.

231 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:19:23pm

re: #229 Charles

Obvious trolls are very obvious, and will only get so many comments at LGF. This one's quota has been exceeded.

Thank you.

232 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:21:03pm

re: #113 ClaudeMonet

I remember it. Unfortunately, it's fallen well out of favor as everyone prefers the separation of their own ethnic/religious/preference group over their common identity as citizens of the USA (or Canada).

When my mother's family escaped Germany and came here in 1934, one of their top priorities was assimilation. They were no longer Germans, they were determined to be Americans. They spoke German only when the older folks were around or when they were trying to not be overheard; otherwise, it was English, English, English, even in the privacy of their homes.

On my father's side of the family, the attitude was, "We're here, and why would we want to be reminded of the sh**holes we fled in the 19th century?" As my father often said, "There are good reasons why we're FROM there."

Imagine trying to get today's immigrants to do that. Heck, imagine trying to get today's "natural-born citizens" to speak English.

Today's natural-born citizens do speak English. And I grew up surrounded by people who went on worshipping Ireland and Italy generations after they had seen the last of the Auld Sod.

233 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:21:12pm

Later, Lizards. Gotta Go.

234 Gus  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:21:21pm

Buchananite

235 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:21:28pm

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

BabsOriley will be down at the beach with his rifle and Harry Turtledove alternate history collection, if you need him.

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:22:16pm

re: #118 babaoriley

Nine eleven does have a long history

For fifty years the United States has been in the middle east telling people what to do and how to live. We would not tolerate this so how can we expect them to. If you hit someone y ou cannot be surprised when they hit back. You reap what you sow.

c

Yes, we've been such a bane to Saudi fundamentalists, it's hardly surprising they'd hold a grudge against us.

//

237 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:22:20pm

re: #235 jaunte

BabsOriley will be down at the beach with his rifle and Harry Turtledove alternate history collection, if you need him.

Why do you have to bring Harry Turtledove into this?

238 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:23:15pm

re: #207 BabaOriley

ww2 was 65 years ago

I realize this is not your main point, but I would urge you to consider that a great many, if not all, of the international strife we see today is the result of ripples of WWII. We're still feeling its effects. At risk of sounding too much like Timothy Leary, everything really is connected to everything else, and it's a mistake to brush aside events long past simply because they're long past.

Besides, 65 years is the blink of an eye. There are still people alive today who were in the concentration camps, just as there are people alive today whose father or brother or husband was lynched by crazed mobs in the American South, just as there are people alive today who were there to see Cambodian infants bashed to death -- by government agents -- against tree trunks.

Just because something happened longer ago than last Thursday doesn't mean its effects have faded.

239 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:24:07pm

re: #237 jamesfirecat

I like L. Sprague DeCamp, too.

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:25:06pm

re: #158 BabaOriley


They will engage in total war (just like William T Sherman) until we are off their
soil. Continued conflict in the middle east benefits no one except those who stand to make money.

Whose soil in the Middle East, exactly, were we on without the permission and approval of local government in Septemer of 2001?

241 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:25:26pm

re: #235 jaunte

BabsOriley will be down at the beach with his rifle and Harry Turtledove alternate history collection, if you need him.

I don't think that dope could fire a rifle. He's so dumb he wouldn't know which end to point downrange.

242 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:26:31pm

re: #238 negativ

I realize this is not your main point, but I would urge you to consider that a great many, if not all, of the international strife we see today is the result of ripples of WWII. We're still feeling its effects. At risk of sounding too much like Timothy Leary, everything really is connected to everything else, and it's a mistake to brush aside events long past simply because they're long past.

Besides, 65 years is the blink of an eye. There are still people alive today who were in the concentration camps, just as there are people alive today whose father or brother or husband was lynched by crazed mobs in the American South, just as there are people alive today who were there to see Cambodian infants bashed to death -- by government agents -- against tree trunks.

Just because something happened longer ago than last Thursday doesn't mean its effects have faded.

Good, but minutes late. He'll be back.

243 Gus  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:26:52pm

Charles. BabaOriley2 on the starboard bow.

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:27:16pm

re: #176 BabaOriley

The hijackers were Saudi for the most part, we have been in Saudi Arabia for a long time supporting their religeous dictaors.

Viciously putting down the...er...wannabe religeous dictaors?

245 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:27:53pm

re: #243 Gus 802

Charles. BabaOriley2 on the starboard bow.

Phalanx Guns armed and ready. We'll shoot him down before he can attack.

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:28:32pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

There's a good one in Warsaw... I've been there... you need directions?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

How lovely. And then you can walk down the streets to dinner afterward, hearing people chat in mamaloshen.

247 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:28:43pm

re: #243 Gus 802

Charles. BabaOriley2 on the starboard bow.

It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.

248 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:29:19pm

re: #247 negativ

A zombie virus has taken hold.

249 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:30:15pm

re: #243 Gus 802

Charles. BabaOriley2 on the starboard bow.

I don't think so.

250 Gus  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:30:23pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

Phalanx Guns armed and ready. We'll shoot him down before he can attack.

Ship has been destroyed!

/

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:30:55pm

re: #207 BabaOriley

1. Bring the troops home, from everywhere ww2 was 65 years ago japan and Germany will be fine without us. Stop policing the world there are bad guys everywhere let's worry about ours.

2. State and local elections are key, elect people who will resist the federal gov

Oh, I see who you think the enemy is.

Look, ya eejit, there is no hiding at home and hoping the world works out. Not for any generation in a while, and not for us.

252 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:31:39pm

This is for SFZ.

Note: I have the attention span of a puppy, and so I may have already posted this 40 times, or may have failed to notice someone else posting it 40 times for SFZ. Apologies, in that case.

253 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:31:46pm

re: #250 Gus 802

Ship has been destroyed!

/

Yeah, Charles used his Mark 4 CLUEBAT Anti-Troll Missiles.

254 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:31:51pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

No good reason?! We are preventing Afghanistan from being used as a refuge for terrorism. That, sir, is a good reason.

For the moment, in bits. I can't say I'm all that enamoured of the situation.

255 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:32:09pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

"She'll be comin around the mountain when she comes!"

Hey you! lol

256 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:32:41pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, I see who you think the enemy is.

Look, ya eejit, there is no hiding at home and hoping the world works out. Not for any generation in a while, and not for us.

The troll has been clubbed. I'm grilling it right now.

257 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:33:00pm

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

And what would you have done? Let England fall to tyranny?

Yes, I think he's made it pretty clear that would have worked for him.

258 jaunte  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:33:13pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

This is the problem with isolationists like Ron Paul. They lost that argument when the U.S. Navy was born, but insist on bringing it up again.

259 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:35:01pm

re: #250 Gus 802

Ship has been destroyed!

Uggh! What game is that from? I know it's from a game, because I have a burned-in memory of a voice intoning, "ship has been destroyed". Star Control maybe?

260 Gus  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:36:08pm

re: #259 negativ

Uggh! What game is that from? I know it's from a game, because I have a burned-in memory of a voice intoning, "ship has been destroyed". Star Control maybe?

I don't know. I was about to bring up the Battle of the Atlantic and the U-Boat campaign when the twirp made his final comments. Had ships on my mind.

261 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:37:47pm

re: #194 Shiplord Kirel

re: #196 Gus 802

re: #206 sagehen

And here are several reasons why I love LGF - just general sanity, among lots of folks with whom I may not agree on a day to day basis.

262 Gus  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:38:57pm

re: #261 reine.de.tout

re: #196 Gus 802

re: #206 sagehen

And here are several reasons why I love LGF - just general sanity, among lots of folks with whom I may not agree on a day to day basis.

Thanks Reine. ;)

263 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:40:27pm

re: #262 Gus 802

Thanks Reine. ;)

:-)
simple truth.

264 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:42:12pm

re: #234 Gus 802

Buchananite

Sounds like a non-precious metal.

265 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:45:18pm

re: #252 negativ

In an idle moment I calculated that Rothlisberger (with signing bonus prorated, but without endorsements) makes more than 500 beginning Alabama teachers.

266 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:45:32pm

re: #264 Decatur Deb

Sounds like a non-precious metal.

It has the smell and appearance of a piece of shit but cannot be dried and burned for fuel nor used as fertilizer.

267 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:47:03pm

I figure, if you're gonna troll, at least be somewhat knowledgeable about your trolling.

268 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:47:07pm

re: #264 Decatur Deb

Sounds like a non-precious metal.

Or something that would drive Superman insane and amplify his powers, thus making him a terrible super-villain so heinous that Batman and Lex Luthor would agree to a bizarre Faustian bargain to save the world.

269 shutdown  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 7:21:54pm

I just had a revelation I don't know what to do with:
It is much easier to promote hate than to encourage love.

270 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 7:24:44pm

re: #269 imp_62

I just had a revelation I don't know what to do with:
It is much easier to promote hate than to encourage love.

Is the darkside stronger?

Stronger, no? But easier, it is....

271 freetoken  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 7:26:51pm

re: #269 imp_62

I just had a revelation I don't know what to do with:
It is much easier to promote hate than to encourage love.

Hop on the bandwagon! Just think - start your own blog, write your own books (which you will hawk on your website), and rake in the dough.

All you've got to do is identify some easily understood "enemy", make sure too include some terminology from the religion of your targeted audience in your books (the substance of which you can copy and paste from Wikipedia), and send out free samples to talk radio hosts.

Before long, you too will be a millionaire.

272 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 7:29:01pm

Hola, Babes and babettes Or should that be Dudes and Dudettes?

Anyway, what fun and games have I missed today?

273 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 8:12:18pm

re: #269 imp_62

I just had a revelation I don't know what to do with:
It is much easier to promote hate than to encourage love.

Hate is tied too closely to the fight or flight reflexes. Many things can trigger those.

Love, not so much.

Both are addictive though. Hate more so because there are so many more ways to trigger it. The body floods with endorphins, adrenaline and other hormones. It's a real rush.

But like all addicts the junkie needs bigger hits more often to get the same high. Geller, Spencer et al. are pushers. And like most pushers they're addicted to their own product.

274 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 8:29:58pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

It has the smell and appearance of a piece of shit but cannot be dried and burned for fuel nor used as fertilizer.

But apparently it can be polished...

275 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Oct 9, 2010 8:57:21pm

re: #274 oaktree

But apparently it can be polished...

Mythbusters proved that you can shine shit.

The desirability of it is in question, though.

276 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 6:09:53am

I read the NYT piece before coming here, because I wanted to form my own opinion before hearing anyone's here. (No offense.) I figured Pammy would blow her top, because the profile didn't pander to her at all. It wasn't a glowing review, to use a theatrical term that in her case (drama queen) is pretty fitting. While it avoided a lot of her crazy, it still painted a pretty accurate picture of a bored socialite with nothing much to do except try to incite riots against Muslims while wearing her fuzzy slippers.

I had no idea that she's worth so much dough, or that she had such a comfy time growing up on the Island. She's a bit like Meg Whitman in that regard, but without any credible accomplishments to her name. Without all this anti-Islam shit, Pam would be just another bored, anonymous divorcee from the Upper East Side.

277 jaunte  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:44:09am

re: #209 BabaOriley

And yet a vision of the world that requires my money and the possibility of my children dying in some third world hellhole is acceptable?

Note the hierarchy of concerns there.

278 CSKapper  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 6:32:13am

Ugghhh....she got her start on LGF as a commenter? It sucks that somebody so vile could have used this site to launch their own career of hatred.


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