GOP Removes Nazi-Dressing Candidate From ‘Young Guns’ List

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As I pointed out yesterday, when the news broke that Republican candidate Rich Iott liked to dress up as a Nazi for “reenactments,” the right wing blogosphere immediately started defending him — because there is nothing these people won’t defend, if it’s done by a right wing Republican. White supremacism, racism, wearing Nazi uniforms; none of this is a problem for the right wing base.

But it seems the national Republican Party isn’t quite ready to start defending candidates who dress as members of the Waffen SS: Republicans Scrub Nazi-Impersonating House Candidate From Young Guns Website.

UPDATE at 10/10/10 9:30:41 am:

House Minority Whip Eric Cantor doesn’t seem to want to defend this, either: Eric Cantor Seeks Distance From Rich Iott, GOP Candidate Who Dressed In Nazi Garb.

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128 comments
1 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:15:32am

I really wanted to discuss this further but I have to run off to my Khmer Rouge reenactment picnic.

2 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:16:03am

Don't fret. For a $100 contribution, Rich Iott will send you an 8x10 glossy.

3 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:19:30am

Clearly the GOP's definition of "young" differs from mine.

4 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:20:07am

RINOs!!!!!!!!!

5 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:20:12am

re: #3 negativ

Clearly the GOP's definition of "young" differs from mine.

Young=any one under the age of 50

6 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:23:05am

If it came out that Barack Obama had dressed as a Nazi for WWII reenactments, I'm sure conservatives would defend him too.

Not.

7 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:26:24am

re: #6 Charles

Just for the sake of wingnut heads a poppin' I'd just love to see him visit a ww2 re-enactment in the uniform of a Tuskegee Airman.

Some of the greatest heroes of our fighting men ever.

8 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:28:13am

re: #6 Charles

Andy Warhol Christmas ornaments? "Death of the Republic! Socialist takeover!!11ty".

Nazi Uniforms? ... "Just playing 'dress-up'. 'Sall good".

9 darthstar  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:28:33am

I'm not a Nazi. I'm you.

10 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:28:59am

Yet another attempt to fend off the impending GOP crash and burn.

Might I add that you'd never see a Libertarian candidate dressing up as a Nazi.

11 jaunte  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:29:30am
Republican GOP candidate Rich Iott liked to dress up as a Nazi for “reenactments,”


AKA wingnut wardrobe malfunction.

12 darthstar  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:30:26am

If these guys had only tried fucking in high school they wouldn't consider dressing up like this to be a fun activity...

Image: iott-atlantic-watermark-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg

13 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:30:44am

I took a hard line on this dolt yesterday, but must back off about a millimeter. Reading the Toledo paper shows that he did have a few instances in his hobby when he played Union Army and US WWII roles. His preferred position, however, was clearly with the Herrenvolk. (It's great to be able to say that without violating Godwin.) I guess "Young Guns" included the panzerfaust.

14 darthstar  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:32:31am

re: #6 Charles

If it came out that Barack Obama had dressed as a Nazi for WWII reenactments, I'm sure conservatives would defend him too.

Not.

But he does...at least on the internet.

Image: 000hitler_obama_0.jpg

15 SpaceJesus  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:35:11am

I really like how people on the right have convinced themselves that Nazism is a leftist ideology. Pretty easy to convince yourself of that kind of crap when you haven't read any history or political science in your entire life I suppose.

16 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:39:06am

re: #15 SpaceJesus

I really like how people on the right have convinced themselves that Nazism is a leftist ideology. Pretty easy to convince yourself of that kind of crap when you haven't read any history or political science in your entire life I suppose.

What I find even more shocking is most people on the right have actually learned history and political science but actually make a conscious decision to disregard the information.

17 darthstar  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:40:16am

Is Iott single? If so, Christine O'Donnell is looking for a husband she could never lie to.

18 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:41:31am

This "just a re-enactment" line from the right-blogs ("somebody has to play the bad guys") might fly if Iott had not expressed his great admiration for the Wiking SS division in particular and the Nazi-era forces in general. Keep in mind that his particular group is dedicated to the Wiking division specifically. This unit was made up largely of foreign volunteers.
5th SS Panzer Division Wiking

Note this: War crimes (5th SS)

Members of the division's bakery column, led by Obersturmführer Braunnagel and Untersturmführer Kochalty, assisted Einsatzgruppe A in rounding up Ukrainian Jews. Witnesses report that the Jewish victims were forced to run a gauntlet formed by soldiers who would beat them as they passed, and when they reached the end of the gauntlet, Einsatzgruppen officers murdered them and their bodies were pushed into a bomb crater. The German 1st Mountain Division is also suspected of being implicated. Between 50 and 60 Jews were killed in this manner, as a part of the larger Einsatzgruppe operation which resulted in over 700 murders[8]

In addition historian Eleonore Lappin from the Institute for the History of Jews in Austria has documented several cases of war crimes committed by members of the 5 SS Division Wiking in her work The Death Marches of Hungarian Jews Through Austria in the Spring of 1945.[9]

On March 28, 1945, eighty Jews from evacuation column, though fit for the journey, were shot by three members of the Waffen SS division Wiking and five military policemen. On April 4, twenty members of another column that left Graz tried to escape near Eggenfeld, not far from Gratkorn. Soldiers from the 5 SS Division Wiking that were temporarily stationed there apprehended them in the forest near Mt. Eggenfeld and then herded them in a gully, where they were shot. On April 7 and 11, 1945 members of the division executed another eighteen escaped prisoners.[9] 5 SS Division Wiking war crimes have not been confirmed[citation needed], mostly because they were not proven guilty in the Nuremberg trials.

The latter statement was apparently added by an SS apologist wiki contributor. It is irrelevant since nobody with the 5th SS was tried at Nuremberg, let alone the whole division.
That's not all though, not by a long shot:

The notorious Dr. Josef Mengele, served with the SS Division Wiking during its early campaigns. According to all accounts, he performed the normal duties of a combat medic, even being awarded the Iron Cross for saving two wounded men from a tank. After being wounded, Mengele was deemed unfit for combat and was absorbed into the SS Nazi concentration camp system, where he gained his infamy. Mengele was very proud of his Waffen SS service and his front-line decorations. As the true horrors of the concentration camp system came to light, his former comrades attempted to have his name removed from the division's roll of veterans.
19 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:42:17am

With the plethora of Obama=Hitler imagery, and now it seems a fascination with Nazis, does this mean the remembrance of Nazism is somewhat trivial to many?

20 SpaceJesus  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:43:55am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

What I find even more shocking is most people on the right have actually learned history and political science but actually make a conscious decision to disregard the information.


Maybe that's what it is. Or maybe they learned it all from Glenn Beck University?

21 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:47:53am

re: #19 BigPapa

With the plethora of Obama=Hitler imagery, and now it seems a fascination with Nazis, does this mean the remembrance of Nazism is somewhat trivial to many?

I don't have time to link it, but a survey of older American schoolchildren some years ago indicated that a large fraction could not correctly identify Hitler. "Never Again" is a task, not an affirmation.

22 Lidane  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:52:48am

re: #3 negativ

Clearly the GOP's definition of "young" differs from mine.

Seriously. This Iott guy is almost 60. Since when is that considered young?

23 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:54:48am

re: #22 Lidane

Seriously. This Iott guy is almost 60. Since when is that considered young?

That's quite young for a Nazi.
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24 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:54:52am

re: #22 Lidane

Seriously. This Iott guy is almost 60. Since when is that considered young?

Young=unindicted.

(stolen from the intertubes)

25 jaunte  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:56:25am

re: #24 Decatur Deb

Brad Zaun, another "Young Gun" has his issues, too.

Republican congressional candidate Brad Zaun had to be told by West Des Moines police in 2001 to stay away from a former girlfriend who had accused him of harassing her, a police report shows.

The woman called police in the early morning hours in April 2001 to complain that a former boyfriend, identified as Zaun, had gone to her home and had pounded on her windows.

"Brad yelled from outside calling her slut and other names," the police report states. [Link: www.desmoinesregister.com...]

26 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:57:21am

I hate Ohio Nazis.

27 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:57:41am

re: #25 jaunte

That sounds like a youngster... 13 maybe?
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28 schnapp  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:58:50am

re: #6 Charles

OT, but I have been reading this blog pretty much every day since early 2007. I still read it every day. I rarely comment though.
But I read some where that you deleted posts about the Flight 93 memorial. Is that just a rumour?

29 Lidane  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:59:12am

re: #15 SpaceJesus

I really like how people on the right have convinced themselves that Nazism is a leftist ideology. Pretty easy to convince yourself of that kind of crap when you haven't read any history or political science in your entire life I suppose.

Oh god. That whole Nazism = Communisim = Socialism = Liberalism garbage that you see these days, especially among the teabaggers, makes me cringe. When I hear or read it, I want to grab the nearest, heaviest history book I can find and start smacking people upside the head with it until reality sinks in. I loathe that nonsense.

30 schnapp  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 9:59:32am

re: #28 schnapp

And will there be an LGF for Android? I just got a Samsug Galaxy. . .

31 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:01:44am

re: #29 Lidane

Oh god. That whole Nazism = Communisim = Socialism = Liberalism garbage that you see these days, especially among the teabaggers, makes me cringe. When I hear or read it, I want to grab the nearest, heaviest history book I can find and start smacking people upside the head with it until reality sinks in. I loathe that nonsense.

Nazism is a flawed philosophy
Communism is a flawed philosophy
Socialism is a flawed philosophy
Liberalism is a flawed philosophy (economically speaking)
Conservativism is a flawed philosophy (socially speaking)

32 Lidane  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:04:43am

re: #31 pharmmajor

Really? You're going to draw an equivalence that way? Come on.

You know damn well what I'm talking about. The teabaggers and other idiots on the right have decided that Nazism is a liberal ideology and is no different than Communism, Socialism, or Liberalism. Never mind the actual, historical differences between them as political and economic philosophies. These morans have decided that the words are interchangeable when they're not.

33 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:06:10am

re: #32 Lidane

Really? You're going to draw an equivalence that way? Come on.

.

I'm not trying to draw an equivalence. I'm just saying that, in my mind, all of those philosophies are flawed. And I said that conservatism is flawed as well.

34 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:06:57am

Pam posted some of her fanmail.....

And nobody talked about discrimination, we certainly did not invite Japanese nationals and German Nazis to immigrate here during the war "for a better life". They were the enemy, full stop no question.

Today Islam is what the Nazis and Japanese were then.
To be fair, all countries and ideologies want to be top dog.
So, they are just doing their job.
However , as of now, we hold that spot and I see no reason to give it up without a fight.


Muslims are nazis!

35 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:08:10am

re: #28 schnapp

OT, but I have been reading this blog pretty much every day since early 2007. I still read it every day. I rarely comment though.
But I read some where that you deleted posts about the Flight 93 memorial. Is that just a rumour?

No, it's not a rumor. I deleted my posts about the Flight 93 memorial because the story is a complete pile of crap, and I did not want anyone to use my posts to promote the story. (Which they were doing.)

This is one story I regret putting credence in; I realized it was complete nonsense years ago. When I saw the anti-Muslim crowd linking to these old posts, I deleted them to stop them from using my years-old mistaken posts to promote their bigotry.

36 aagcobb  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:08:40am

re: #32 Lidane

Really? You're going to draw an equivalence that way? Come on.

You know damn well what I'm talking about. The teabaggers and other idiots on the right have decided that Nazism is a liberal ideology and is no different than Communism, Socialism, or Liberalism. Never mind the actual, historical differences between them as political and economic philosophies. These morans have decided that the words are interchangeable when they're not.

A word means what I say it means, no more, no less.

37 Lidane  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:11:10am

re: #33 pharmmajor

I'm not trying to draw an equivalence. I'm just saying that, in my mind, all of those philosophies are flawed. And I said that conservatism is flawed as well.

Not the point. And yes, you're drawing an equivalence.

The point that SpaceJesus was making, and which I was commenting on, is that there are morans out there who have listened to historical revisionists like Beck and Limbaugh and decided that Nazism is entirely interchangeable with Communism (never mind Stalin and Hitler trying to wipe each other off the planet or anything), or Socialism, or Liberalism, when there are very real, documented differences between them all.

Just because you think they're all equally flawed doesn't negate the fact that some idiots out there have decided that Nazism is leftist, when it was anything but.

38 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:12:04am

re: #37 Lidane


Just because you think they're all equally flawed doesn't negate the fact that some idiots out there have decided that Nazism is leftist, when it was anything but.

Okay then, I apologize.

39 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:12:40am

Geller's fans are flooding me with hate mail today.

40 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:14:12am

re: #37 Lidane

Sourcebook for that is Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism, and I won't link to the Amazon page.

41 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:14:13am

re: #39 Charles

Geller's fans are flooding me with hate mail today.

Sign them up for beastiality porn.

42 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:15:00am

re: #37 Lidane


Just because you think they're all equally flawed doesn't negate the fact that some idiots out there have decided that Nazism is leftist, when it was anything but.

Nazism isn't left or right. It's just plain evil.

43 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:15:02am

re: #41 pharmmajor

Sign them up for beastiality porn.

They're already on Paladino's mailing list.

44 Lidane  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:15:05am

re: #38 pharmmajor

Okay then, I apologize.

Oh, no worries. I'm not mad or anything, so no apologies are needed. I'm just trying to clarify the point being made. That's all.

45 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:15:44am

re: #39 Charles

Geller's fans are flooding me with hate mail today.

Time to hit the tip jar.

46 Lidane  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:16:03am

re: #42 NJDhockeyfan

Evil? Absolutely. But it was a far right political movement. That much can't be ignored.

47 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:16:13am

re: #43 Decatur Deb

They're already on Paladino's mailing list.

[Link: www.hiyoooo.com...]

48 jaunte  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:16:20am

re: #34 Killgore Trout

She also thinks Loonwatch is a "Goebbels-style hate site" because they quote some of her more outlandish flights of paranoia.

49 Lidane  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:17:14am

re: #40 Decatur Deb

Sourcebook for that is Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism, and I won't link to the Amazon page.

Why am I not surprised that the Doughy Pantload is responsible for that idiocy?

50 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:17:53am

re: #42 NJDhockeyfan

Nazism isn't left or right. It's just plain evil.

Sorry, but Nazism is a far right ideology.

51 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:20:03am

re: #6 Charles

If it came out that Barack Obama had dressed as a Nazi for WWII reenactments, I'm sure conservatives would defend him too.

Not.

Think there might have been a fair amount of humorous intent in that case, since Barack would have not been the typical candidate Aryan perfection of manhood wise.

52 schnapp  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:20:14am

re: #39 Charles

What about an LGF app for the android platform? And have your views on Islam changed as well?

53 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:20:16am

BBL, Fur reel.

54 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:21:05am

Hmmm....

55 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:22:03am

re: #54 Varek Raith

Hmmm...

Yup.

56 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:23:30am

re: #25 jaunte

Brad Zaun, another "Young Gun" has his issues, too.

Yeah...I'm familiar with Mr. Zaun, being in the Des Moines TV market. He has had any number of issues with money and girlfriends. If you listen to him talk, he just sounds like a teabagger moron, which is probably why he's such a hot prospect right now.

57 jaunte  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:25:16am

re: #56 PT Barnum

I was doing a search for his age to see how young a gun he was, and that was one of the first stories that popped up.

58 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:25:20am

re: #50 Varek Raith

Sorry, but Nazism is a far right ideology.

Must be why President George W Bush was compared to Hitler for 8 long years by the left.

59 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:28:29am

re: #56 PT Barnum

Yeah...I'm familiar with Mr. Zaun, being in the Des Moines TV market. He has had any number of issues with money and girlfriends. If you listen to him talk, he just sounds like a teabagger moron, which is probably why he's such a hot prospect right now.

Talking to Homeschoolers

Youtube Video
60 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:28:59am

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

Must be why President George W Bush was compared to Hitler for 8 long years by the left.

I guess that make Obama far right, then?
:/

61 Lidane  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:29:33am

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

Must be why President George W Bush was compared to Hitler for 8 long years by the left.

No. That was just a bunch of idiotic hyperbole by morans who should know better, just like when the right compares Obama to the Anti-Christ or Hitler.

Nazism is absolutely a far right political philosophy. All you have to do is read a history book to see why.

62 jaunte  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:29:51am

re: #34 Killgore Trout
Pam posted some of her fanmail...

And nobody talked about discrimination, we certainly did not invite Japanese nationals and German Nazis to immigrate here during the war "for a better life". They were the enemy, full stop no question.

Today Islam is what the Nazis and Japanese were then.
To be fair, all countries and ideologies want to be top dog.
So, they are just doing their job.
However , as of now, we hold that spot and I see no reason to give it up without a fight.


Muslims are nazis!


The lines before those you quoted are revealing:

"I had despaired of finding a person in the States who understood the situation. The analogy I like to use is that after Pearl Harbor did FDR get up there and say, We don't hate Japanese, there are certain people who happen to be Japanese that have attacked us but they are not all our enemies, just the bad ones. No, he had Congress declare war and the only acceptable outcome was Unconditional Surrender."


So the approach this genius advocates is World War 3 against 22% of the earth's population.

63 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:31:30am

re: #62 jaunte

Pam posted some of her fanmail...


The lines before those you quoted are revealing:


So the approach this genius advocates is World War 3 against 22% of the earth's population.

Oy.
Impossible without the use of nuclear weapons.
Then, welcome to the world of Fallout.

64 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:31:54am

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

Must be why President George W Bush was compared to Hitler for 8 long years by the left.

I dunno. Warrantless spying on US Citizens, torture...sounds more like Naziism than wanting to provide healthcare to everybody to me.

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:41:18am

re: #10 pharmmajor

Yet another attempt to fend off the impending GOP crash and burn.

Might I add that you'd never see a Libertarian candidate dressing up as a Nazi.

Why should Libertarians be immune?

My own position on this: I don't much care if someone likes to do WWII reenactment, or even if they play the wrong side. I do care if their website about it is creepy as hell, and they can't say the simple words, "Being the villain for a couple of hours can be fun, and they need us, or no one can play."

I also wonder about the political judgement of someone who wants to go into politics and does such a thing.

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:42:06am

re: #15 SpaceJesus

I really like how people on the right have convinced themselves that Nazism is a leftist ideology. Pretty easy to convince yourself of that kind of crap when you haven't read any history or political science in your entire life I suppose.

So does that mean this guy is...a LIBERAL fascist?

67 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:43:10am

re: #64 PT Barnum

I dunno. Warrantless spying on US Citizens, torture...sounds more like Naziism than wanting to provide healthcare to everybody to me.

Obama Supports Warrantless Wiretapping, Just Like Bush

Nazi!
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68 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:44:37am

re: #19 BigPapa

With the plethora of Obama=Hitler imagery, and now it seems a fascination with Nazis, does this mean the remembrance of Nazism is somewhat trivial to many?

Probably. I'll just say that I liked it better when the only major US politician to have ever walked around in a Nazi uniform was Ronald Reagan.

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:45:32am

re: #28 schnapp

OT, but I have been reading this blog pretty much every day since early 2007. I still read it every day. I rarely comment though.
But I read some where that you deleted posts about the Flight 93 memorial. Is that just a rumour?

I wonder where you read that?

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:46:36am

re: #39 Charles

Geller's fans are flooding me with hate mail today.

Put some up. It'll make you feel better.

//OK, it'll make ME feel better.

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:47:22am

re: #42 NJDhockeyfan

Nazism isn't left or right. It's just plain evil.

As long as we can say the same for Maoism, I'm down with that.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:47:59am

re: #48 jaunte

She also thinks Loonwatch is a "Goebbels-style hate site" because they quote some of her more outlandish flights of paranoia.

They're not my absolute favorites, in terms of reasoned response, but Pam hardly requires any.

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:48:47am

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

Must be why President George W Bush was compared to Hitler for 8 long years by the left.

Leaves it slightly unclear though, why Obama has now assumed the mantle.

74 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:48:50am

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

As long as we can say the same for Maoism, I'm down with that.

We certainly agree. I bet we could list a few more.

75 SpaceJesus  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:51:36am

re: #29 Lidane

Oh god. That whole Nazism = Communisim = Socialism = Liberalism garbage that you see these days, especially among the teabaggers, makes me cringe. When I hear or read it, I want to grab the nearest, heaviest history book I can find and start smacking people upside the head with it until reality sinks in. I loathe that nonsense.

"Hitler was just a hippy who went too far"

76 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:52:14am

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

Leaves it slightly unclear though, why Obama has now assumed the mantle.

Because he is the current President. The next President will take over that distasteful role of being accused of becoming the modern day Hitler. It will never end unfortunately.

77 dragonfire1981  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:52:59am

While I do agree that what Iott did is phenomenally stupid, the thing that jumps out most to me is the fact he was considered a "Young gun" by any standards.

If you go to the WG site, it says the Young Guns are supposedly a "new generation" of conservative leaders. Iott turns SIXTY next year for goodness sake! How sad that the real youth are so politically apathetic that some guy whose well old enough to be a grandfather is considered a "young gun."

78 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:53:18am

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

As long as we can say the same for Maoism, I'm down with that.

As things climb up the authoritarian axis the differences do seem to blur. People serve the State vs. the State is the People appears very similar when everything is centrally owned/controlled and aimed towards maintaining that centralized power.

79 dragonfire1981  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:54:44am

re: #76 NJDhockeyfan

Uh...yeah, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there.

[/bill lumbergh]

I think if the next President is NOT black, then that person will receive nowhere near the kind of vitriolic response Obama has since taking office.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:55:45am

re: #79 dragonfire1981

Uh...yeah, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there.

[/bill lumbergh]

I think if the next President is NOT black, then that person will receive nowhere near the kind of vitriolic response Obama has since taking office.

Don't know. Everyone is so whipped up, I have a bad feeling this could go on amplifying no matter what. Clinton to Bush. Bush to Obama. Obama to ?.

81 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:56:23am

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

As long as we can say the same for Maoism, I'm down with that.

Sorry, according to many on the right, you're a commiemaoistnaziatheist.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:57:46am

re: #81 Varek Raith

Sorry, according to many on the right, you're a commiemaoistnaziatheist.

Damn. I though I was just a tranzi totalitarian.

83 schnapp  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:58:55am

re: #78 oaktree
OMG LIKE OBAMACARE!!!! *runs around screaming, arms flailing* lol

84 Lidane  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:59:20am

re: #77 dragonfire1981

Iott turns SIXTY next year for goodness sake! How sad that the real youth are so politically apathetic that some guy whose well old enough to be a grandfather is considered a "young gun."

Is it really apathy, or is it something deeper? Maybe the traditional GOP message doesn't resonate with a younger generation as strongly, particularly in terms of social issues because of the way things have changed since the Internet exploded. Maybe the party really IS the party of the old white guy, and sixty is the new twenty.

I don't think the GOP "Young Guns" (average age: 50 years old) are just a symbol of apathy. I think it's a HUGE warning sign that things are going to have to shift on a fundamental level if the party ever expects to be anything but a marginalized group of old white guys.

85 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:02:19am

re: #79 dragonfire1981

Uh...yeah, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there.

[/bill lumbergh]

I think if the next President is NOT black, then that person will receive nowhere near the kind of vitriolic response Obama has since taking office.

Yeah, right. It wasn't very bad before.
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31 Similarities Between Hitler and President Bush

There are so many examples of that. It goes on and on and on...

86 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:03:32am

re: #85 NJDhockeyfan

Yeah, right. It wasn't very bad before.
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Soros Compares President Bush To Nazis

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Whoopi Goldberg discusses George Bush Nazi links

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31 Similarities Between Hitler and President Bush

There are so many examples of that. It goes on and on and on...

Your point?

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:04:37am

re: #85 NJDhockeyfan

Yeah, right. It wasn't very bad before.
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Soros Compares President Bush To Nazis

Youtube Video

Whoopi Goldberg discusses George Bush Nazi links

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ture=related

31 Similarities Between Hitler and President Bush

There are so many examples of that. It goes on and on and on...

Make up your mind. Either it was a special attack on Bush, or it happens to every president.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:06:12am

re: #86 Varek Raith

Your point?

"Bush Hitler" gets 1, 280,000 results.

"Obama Hitler" gets 1,800,000. After two years in office.

This is little-league stuff. I bet Hillary can get 2,000,000 her FIRST YEAR.

89 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:06:23am

re: #86 Varek Raith

Your point?

Both Presidents are getting compared to Nazis by fucking morons. Obama isn't getting any more than GWB did and the next President will get his (or her) fair share of it, and dragonfire1981 bringing in racism to this argument is stupid.

90 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:06:49am

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

Make up your mind. Either it was a special attack on Bush, or it happens to every president.

I've already said it happens to them all.

91 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:07:37am

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

"Bush Hitler" gets 1, 280,000 results.

"Obama Hitler" gets 1,800,000. After two years in office.

This is little-league stuff. I bet Hillary can get 2,000,000 her FIRST YEAR.

I didn't know we were keeping score.

92 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:08:12am

re: #89 NJDhockeyfan

Both Presidents are getting compared to Nazis by fucking morons. Obama isn't getting any more than GWB did and the next President will get his (or her) fair share of it, and dragonfire1981 bringing in racism to this argument is stupid.

Funny how it turned into this when the original argument was over Nazism being a far right ideology.
Funny, that.

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:09:18am

re: #91 NJDhockeyfan

I didn't know we were keeping score.

1. Of course we are.

2. It indicates to me the degree to which this kind of rhetoric is amping up.

94 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:11:15am

re: #92 Varek Raith

Funny how it turned into this when the original argument was over Nazism being a far right ideology.
Funny, that.

Wgy is it funny? Nazism was about as evil as it can get. I don't think calling it right or left is correct.

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:11:54am

Of course, we had it back in the day, too.

96 schnapp  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:12:36am

re: #91 NJDhockeyfan
Well we are. Apparently Obama's winning. :p

97 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:14:57am

re: #94 NJDhockeyfan

Wgy is it funny? Nazism was about as evil as it can get. I don't think calling it right or left is correct.

Because you're ignoring the history of it for partisan reasons.

98 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:15:29am

re: #79 dragonfire1981

Uh...yeah, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there.

[/bill lumbergh]

I think if the next President is NOT black, then that person will receive nowhere near the kind of vitriolic response Obama has since taking office.

Unless it's Hilary Clinton. That could get really ugly.

99 Lidane  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:16:30am

re: #94 NJDhockeyfan

Nazism was about as evil as it can get. I don't think calling it right or left is correct.

Sure it is. If you want to understand Nazism and how it rose to prominence, you have to understand the other far right political movements in Europe at the time, and how Nazism fit in among them.

Hitler was deeply influenced by Mussolini's fascist movement, and he was also reacting strongly against what he saw as the poisonous left-wing movements at the time. He might have co-opted some left-wing rhetoric, but in practice, Nazism was about as far to the right as you could go, with some bonus anti-Semitism and racism thrown in for good measure. Calling it a far right wing movement is historically correct, because it was.

100 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:16:59am

re: #97 Varek Raith

Because you're ignoring the history of it for partisan reasons.

Bullshit. Calling Nazis right-wingers is just as bad as calling communists left-wingers.

101 BongCrodny  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:17:53am

re: #85 NJDhockeyfan

Yeah, right. It wasn't very bad before.
//

Soros Compares President Bush To Nazis

Youtube Video

Whoopi Goldberg discusses George Bush Nazi links

Youtube Video
ture=related

31 Similarities Between Hitler and President Bush

There are so many examples of that. It goes on and on and on...


Bush equals Hitler: 8,900,000 hits on Google.
Obama equals Hitler: 8,200,000 hits on Google.

Took less than two years for "the right" to catch up to "the left."

102 Lidane  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:19:08am

re: #100 NJDhockeyfan

You're conflating left and right with Democrat and Republican, and you're looking at this through a strictly American partisan lens.

Historically, Nazism is a far right wing movement. You may not like that, but it's true. Their practices and beliefs bear that out in spades.

103 BongCrodny  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:19:31am

...but I will defer to SFZ at #88. :-)

104 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:19:37am

re: #99 Lidane

Sure it is. If you want to understand Nazism and how it rose to prominence, you have to understand the other far right political movements in Europe at the time, and how Nazism fit in among them.

Hitler was deeply influenced by Mussolini's fascist movement, and he was also reacting strongly against what he saw as the poisonous left-wing movements at the time. He might have co-opted some left-wing rhetoric, but in practice, Nazism was about as far to the right as you could go, with some bonus anti-Semitism and racism thrown in for good measure. Calling it a far right wing movement is historically correct, because it was.

You can find loads of racism & anti-Semitism posted at the lefty blog HuffPo anytime you want. Does that make them Nazis? No.

105 schnapp  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:21:33am

re: #99 Lidane

Left and right wing descriptions are very ambiguous anyway.

106 Lidane  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:21:58am

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

Again-- you're conflating the modern American political definitions of left and right with Democrats and Republicans, and you're looking at this through a partisan lens.

Go anywhere else in the world and Americans are center to center-right. Real left wing politics doesn't exist in this country in any conceivable form. Nazis, when taken in a global political and historical context, are far right. You can point to HuffPo, or Kos, or anyone else that you want, but it doesn't change the facts. Like it or not, Nazis are far right.

107 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:22:31am

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

You can find loads of racism & anti-Semitism posted at the lefty blog HuffPo anytime you want. Does that make them Nazis? No.

Nazism had its roots in the far right movements in Germany.
You want to ignore that, knock yourself out.

108 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:23:06am

Well, I've had enough Nazi discussions for one day. Later lizards.

109 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:26:43am

Nazism and the Third Reich was absolutely, definitely a far right phenomenon. This new revisionist attempt to label it as "left wing" is beyond ludicrous.

110 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:34:20am

re: #109 Charles

Nazism and the Third Reich was absolutely, definitely a far right phenomenon. This new revisionist attempt to label it as "left wing" is beyond ludicrous.

We need to have a speedometer for specious arguments as a tag.

We'll have to go to LUDICROUS speed!

111 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 11:59:14am

re: #21 Decatur Deb

I don't have time to link it, but a survey of older American schoolchildren some years ago indicated that a large fraction could not correctly identify Hitler. "Never Again" is a task, not an affirmation.

Found what might be the survey I remember. The UK seems to be doing as badly. The US survey is by a curriculum web, it's in the second article.

[Link: www.commoncore.org...]

112 richardporter  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 12:39:56pm

BREAKING NEWS: Rich Lott, Christine O'Donnell, and Pamela
Geller to participate in Halloween Horror Night at Universal Orlando;
respectively as a Nazi Soldier, a Witch, and the Living Dead. Get
your tickets now.

113 jamesfirecat  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 1:02:00pm

re: #31 pharmmajor

Nazism is a flawed philosophy
Communism is a flawed philosophy
Socialism is a flawed philosophy
Liberalism is a flawed philosophy (economically speaking)
Conservativism is a flawed philosophy (socially speaking)

If liberalism is a flawed philosophy economically speaking, why does the economy do better under democratic presidents than Republicans?

114 dragonfire1981  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 1:09:20pm

In defense of my post up there, the only reason is I brought race into it is that Obama's color and background have, in my opinion, been drug through mud far worse than prior Presidents.

I remember what they said about Bush and I see what they are saying about Obama. It's far worse for Obama. It's hard to verbalize, but there's been a certain intensity and hatred behind the attacks on Obama that I don't often remember seeing against Bush, at least not from people in America.

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 2:08:12pm

re: #100 NJDhockeyfan

Bullshit. Calling Nazis right-wingers is just as bad as calling communists left-wingers.

Communists aren't left-wingers?

116 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 2:09:05pm

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

You can find loads of racism & anti-Semitism posted at the lefty blog HuffPo anytime you want. Does that make them Nazis? No.

Grrrroooaaaaaaaan.

117 morrisab  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 2:27:38pm

My daughter's doing a video project on the concentration camps. In looking at YouTube for historical videos, the number of Holocaust deniers - and their filth and vitriol - is really disgusting and depressing. And it's not "a year ago." It's "three hours ago." I just can't believe there are people out there who have nothing better to do than to hang out on YouTube and post Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism on historical videos.

118 fizzlogic  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 2:43:33pm

re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist

Communists aren't left-wingers?

Of course not. Don't you watch Glenn Beck? They're Democrats--especially Pelosi, Reed, and Obama (who, BTW, is not only a communist, but a marxist and a nazi).

119 nines09  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 3:11:04pm

They only removed them as a precaution, so they may not be misconstrued. Not that this is odd or peculiar. He is perfectly within his rights to play any fantasy part he wishes. It is the choice that is revealing. Maybe they can re enact mothers and fathers being shot in front of their children for the crime of being who they are. Try that one out one fantasy filled day, dip shit.

120 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 3:53:16pm

re: #1 BigPapa

Papa -
Be careful here, my father's DOC used to treat Prince Sihanook, a/k/a Shnookie.

=S-

121 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 4:08:55pm

Charles -

Seems like all'y'all have a tummescence regarding White Europeans wanting to protect the inheritance of the "Enlightenment against the "Muslim 7th Century BORG." WHY IS THAT?

-S-

122 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 4:26:16pm

re: #121 Dr. Shalit

reply to self -

"ISLAM" is a Religion Today because Muhammad was in his day, the Toughest Prick on the block, and for NO OTHER REASON. -S-

P.S. Examine the life story of Muhammed in qua'ran,. Hadith, and Surah AND PRAY TELL, show Me where I am Wrong!

-s-

123 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 5:35:17pm

re: #121 Dr. Shalit

Charles -

Seems like all'y'all have a tummescence regarding White Europeans wanting to protect the inheritance of the "Enlightenment against the "Muslim 7th Century BORG." WHY IS THAT?

-S-

You know what? I just reached the end of my patience with you. Go hang out somewhere else with your "White European" friends, you're not welcome to continue posting this garbage at LGF.

124 Rishonah  Sun, Oct 10, 2010 5:57:35pm

I am so disgusted I am almost speechless.

One of the real problems we have in this country is that we don't teach history properly, we teach "narratives," and "relativism." In the 1930's if you said that because the Nazis had the word "Socialist" in their name that that made them left-wing you would have been laughed out of class. It is idiocy.

We must clean up the history curricula of this country. We need to teach history factually, not by obscuring the things we don't want to face, and we must, above all else, get rid of teachers who teach from their own prejudices, and not from the facts. This reminds me of the countless imbeciles who say, "Arabs are Semites too, so they can't be anti-Semitic," when the term was coined by the German Jew-hater Wilhelm Marr as a term specifically meaning "Jew-hater."

People who sympathize with the Nazis must be exposed for what they are. Good for Eric Cantor.

125 hugh59  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 10:19:35am

I am a Jew. I know Rich Iott. We do volunteer work together. I did not know that he did military reenactment. This is not a problem for me. I know plenty of reenactors, some of whom have WWII German uniforms. They are not neo-Nazis or Nazi sympathizers. They provide "targets" for the people who want to dress up as Allied troops from WWII.

Iott is being slandered. Just because someone is a reenactor does not make them supporters of the politics of the people they are dressing up as. I have a issue with people who wear Che shirts or who sing the praises of Mao, Castro, or Hugo Chavez.

126 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 10:25:37am

re: #125 hugh59

And what about the whitewash of the SS, the claim that they were fighting for freedom? As a Jew, how does that strike you?

127 theheat  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 10:38:18am

re: #125 hugh59

Concern troll refuses to be concerned.

Whatever you're selling, nobody's buying.

128 Rishonah  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 5:30:25pm

re: #125 hugh59

You may, or may not, be Jewish. What I would say to you is what my German Jewish grandfather used to say (translated), "It is only the most stupid calf which delivers itself to the butcher."

If you do not see the ugliness of what you have said, if you do not understand the enormity of the evil which is being made into play by your "friend," then you are the most stupid calf I have seen in a long time.


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