Paladino: Gay Pride Parades Are ‘Disgusting’

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The GOP’s Neanderthal candidate for Governor of New York just can’t seem to stop himself from spewing hatred: Paladino Calls Gay Parades ‘Disgusting’.

Despite an uproar over his remarks about gays, Carl P. Paladino appeared on national television on Monday and expressed revulsion at gay pride parades.

Mr. Paladino restated his criticism of Andrew M. Cuomo, his Democratic opponent for governor of New York, for having taken his young daughters to a gay pride parade, saying that such events were inappropriate for children.

“Is that normal? Would you do it? Would you take your children to a gay pride parade?” Mr. Paladino asked the host Matt Lauer on the “Today” show, speaking of Mr. Cuomo.

“I don’t think it’s proper for them to go there and watch a couple of grown men grind against each other. I don’t think that’s proper. I think it’s disgusting.”

“No, I don’t regret the remarks,” he added.

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309 comments
1 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:27:06pm

'Nite, all.

2 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:30:46pm

SpaceJesus has some followup:

Paladino Backtracks From Homophobic Comments, Claims The Jews Snuck Them In

When in doubt, blame the Jooos. And this make Paladino different from an Islamist how?

3 jaunte  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:31:00pm

Of course, Carl. And forwarding bestiality emails is just a human thing, that should be kept private between animal-abusing buddies.

4 Ojoe  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:33:20pm

re: #1 Decatur Deb

Good night sir.

5 Kragar  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:33:37pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

SpaceJesus has some followup:

Paladino Backtracks From Homophobic Comments, Claims The Jews Snuck Them In

When in doubt, blame the Jooos. And this make Paladino different from an Islamist how?

Meanwhile, he says Cuomo is the anti-semite

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:33:55pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

SpaceJesus has some followup:

Paladino Backtracks From Homophobic Comments, Claims The Jews Snuck Them In

When in doubt, blame the Jooos. And this make Paladino different from an Islamist how?

This guy is a piece of work.

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:34:51pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Meanwhile, he says Cuomo is the anti-semite

Of course he does.

Oh, D_F, read your piece about the lie/sit law, albeit patchily, since my head hurts.

8 SpaceJesus  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:35:33pm

gay men grinding on each other = bad

strip club next to ground zero = ok

9 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:36:17pm

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course he does.

Oh, D_F, read your piece about the lie/sit law, albeit patchily, since my head hurts.

Thoughts?

10 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:38:16pm

Really, I think a good rule of thumb would be: If it would be obscene for two heterosexuals to do it in public, homosexuals shouldn't either. If not, not.

Then again, I'm a bad person to ask about parades--the only one I go to regularly is the ones my kids are in.

11 mdey  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:39:11pm

Since Palladino has such a problem with Jews, maybe he should get in touch with Rich Iott.

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:39:29pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Thoughts?

Her biases are very clear, but I think she probably fairly portrays some of the problems with the way SF 'activists' and certain supes approach homelessness issues. And yes, Chris Daly is a dork.

What bothers me is that she doesn't seem at all interested in the homeless population who are not such neat examples of what she wants to demonstrate. There are people who are just broke, down and out on the streets of San Francisco, I've met a lot of them.

But the activist core...yeah. There's some issues there.

13 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:39:38pm

Let's prepare ourselves not to gloat excessively when it is inevitably revealed that Paladino routinely gets his luggage lifted by cute, young rent-boys. Just as Jesus intended.

14 Irenicum  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:39:49pm

Um. teh ghey is not what you think it is...

Sadly, human is something yer not gonna get all too soon...

My hope is that yer not gonna get any voice I will ever sing to anytime time soon. Or I hope so.

I guess I can always hope for evolution.

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:40:41pm

re: #10 EmmmieG

Really, I think a good rule of thumb would be: If it would be obscene for two heterosexuals to do it in public, homosexuals shouldn't either. If not, not.

Then again, I'm a bad person to ask about parades--the only one I go to regularly is the ones my kids are in.

I'd agree with that--with the proviso that when a man and a woman act indecently, the problem is seen as being with THEM, whereas a gay couple are showing what's wrong with GAYS.

16 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:40:52pm

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

This guy is a piece of work.

LOL!
I had a boss, who the WORST thing she could ever say was "what a piece of work". Paladino is a piece of work.

17 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:41:18pm

A Pride Parade is but once a year at select locations. What about the huge spring break orgies, or Mardi Gras - heavily populated by viciously horny heterosexuals, Mr. Paladino?

Besides, did Paladino actually witness two men grinding against one another, or is this another case of a hetero man just randomly imagining two men doing the bump and grind?

18 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:41:49pm

re: #13 negativ

Let's prepare ourselves not to gloat excessively when it is inevitably revealed that Paladino routinely gets his luggage lifted by cute, young rent-boys. Just as Jesus intended.

I don't think so. This guy isn't gay, he's just nasty. He's not like a televalgelist; When he says he's going to strike you he means with his fists, not his words.

19 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:42:38pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

And, many of the homeless, are broken souls, who are in need of some help.
California closed a lot of the mental hospitals, they used to have. Many veterans, and others who are mentally ill, live on the streets these days.

20 Irenicum  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:44:13pm

re: #14 Irenicum

Not my best expression of religious and sexual freedom. But basically I'm saying that who we are should be protected b/c of our Constitution.

21 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:44:28pm

re: #19 Floral Giraffe

And, many of the homeless, are broken souls, who are in need of some help.
California closed a lot of the mental hospitals, they used to have. Many veterans, and others who are mentally ill, live on the streets these days.

The Oregon State Hospital is teetering.

I wonder how much we could save by providing free meds.

My uncle-the-counselor said that there is a vicious cycle of getting just well enough that the state won't cover the psychologist any more, so they drop back into unemployment, then qualify, then get well and get a job, then don't qualify...

Lather, rinse, repeat.

22 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:45:17pm

re: #17 eclectic infidel

A Pride Parade is but once a year at select locations. What about the huge spring break orgies, or Mardi Gras - heavily populated by viciously horny heterosexuals, Mr. Paladino?

Besides, did Paladino actually witness two men grinding against one another, or is this another case of a hetero man just randomly imagining two men doing the bump and grind?

Hard to tell. This convenient story of just happening on the Pride Parade, at the exact moment that two men happened to be grinding together...instead of, say the exact moment that a lot middle-aged fully dressed people waving rainbow Israeli flags walked by...I dunno.

23 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:47:19pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

Her biases are very clear, but I think she probably fairly portrays some of the problems with the way SF 'activists' and certain supes approach homelessness issues. And yes, Chris Daly is a dork.

What bothers me is that she doesn't seem at all interested in the homeless population who are not such neat examples of what she wants to demonstrate. There are people who are just broke, down and out on the streets of San Francisco, I've met a lot of them.

But the activist core...yeah. There's some issues there.

The problem is that those people get left unseen because of all the assholes. If you reduce the level of bad behavior, more resources will be available to those who really need it and want it. You also will cut back on the Grievance Theater in favor of actually doing something. That would seem to be within her line of thinking.

It's important to remember that Heather MacDonald wants to bring New York's anti-crime methods to the rest of the nation: thus her reference to the police commissioners data-driven policing (which is called CompSat in NYC). She feels that aggressive policing means and better and safer city and will ultimately make thinks better for everyone who is not a actual malfactor.

24 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:53:19pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon] She feels that aggressive policing means and better and safer city and will ultimately make thinks better for everyone who is not a actual malfactor.

Unfortunately DF, that's what they all say as they roll your freedoms up & throw them in the trash. They'll think for you and keep you safe too.

If a liberal tries it, it's called Nanny State. Why would this be any different?

25 zora  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:55:45pm

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

This guy is a piece of work.

[Link: www.thejewishweek.com...]

Paladino Reads Anti-Gay Remarks Prepared By Yehuda Levin In Brooklyn

26 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:59:53pm

re: #24 wlewisiii

] She feels that aggressive policing means and better and safer city and will ultimately make thinks better for everyone who is not a actual malfactor.

Unfortunately DF, that's what they all say as they roll your freedoms up & throw them in the trash. They'll think for you and keep you safe too.

If a liberal tries it, it's called Nanny State. Why would this be any different?

I don't find aggressive policing endangering freedoms. I think it frees people from the fear of crime and disorder. People aren't to be targeted for the words they say but rather for trying to shake others down for money, steal from others, and impede others from being where they lawfully have right to be. You don't have to give up freedom to have safety; That is New York's great lesson.

27 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 10:00:50pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

I don't find aggressive policing endangering freedoms. I think it frees people from the fear of crime and disorder. People aren't to be targeted for the words they say but rather for trying to shake others down for money, steal from others, and impede others from being where they lawfully have right to be. You don't have to give up freedom to have safety; That is New York's great lesson.

Well, I was going to say that nobody (human) has the right to poop on the sidewalk, but I like the way you put it better.

Plus, if Jesus were here, he'd get them their meds.

28 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 10:03:57pm

re: #27 EmmmieG

Well, I was going to say that nobody (human) has the right to poop on the sidewalk, but I like the way you put it better.

Plus, if Jesus were here, he'd get them their meds.

Jesus would need bodyguards though. Imagine, someone claiming to be the Son of God wants the mentally ill to be put on meds immediately, costs irrelevant.

29 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 10:08:07pm

re: #28 eclectic infidel

Jesus would need bodyguards though. Imagine, someone claiming to be the Son of God wants the mentally ill to be put on meds immediately, costs irrelevant.

Well, first of all anyone claiming to be the Son of God would have to prove it.

Also, the last time he didn't ask for tax money for anything.

30 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 10:11:41pm

eclectic infidel: Are you still here?

31 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 10:16:48pm

Well, I am definitely going to bed now in my bid to get in as much sleep as possible before Friday, when I put in my overnight stint as chaperone sleeping between two large groups of hormonal teenagers.

Hopefully, I will have nothing interesting to report back about the experience.

32 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 10:22:05pm

Goodnight, all.

33 Nick Schroeder  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 10:24:25pm

I'm pretty sure I overheard one of Olbermann/Maddow/ODonnell tonight mention that he's already since admitted that he's never actually been to the parades he's imagining (while surreptitiously rubbing his penis through a hole in his pocket).

34 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 10:35:22pm

re: #28 eclectic infidel

If you come back in, I just ran across your comment downstairs and I think I have something that might help. Holler if you're still lurking somewhere...

35 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 10:58:45pm

re: #34 CuriousLurker

If you come back in, I just ran across your comment downstairs and I think I have something that might help. Holler if you're still lurking somewhere...

Still lurking online...

36 Summer Seale  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 11:02:25pm

Really interesting and in depth article about Glenn Beck and the Tea Party's cold war roots from The New Yorker:

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

Morning all, from my hotel in England. =)

37 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 11:07:48pm

I can't stay up any longer.

Here's my email for public consumption, CL:

discernible[dot]chaos{at}gmail[dot]com

38 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 11:10:16pm

re: #37 eclectic infidel

I can't stay up any longer.

Here's my email for public consumption, CL:

discernible[dot]chaos{at}gmail[dot]com

K, thx. I'll email you the info and also post it here.

39 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 11:11:35pm

re: #34 CuriousLurker

If you come back in, I just ran across your comment downstairs and I think I have something that might help. Holler if you're still lurking somewhere...

Okay, it's getting late here and I have to go. If you come back, you might want to read the first two chapters of this old (1903) biography of Maimonides They cover his early life—he was born in Cordoba in what could more or less be considered the twilight years of the Golden Age of Islamic Spain (before the puritanical Almoravids became firmly entrenched and messed up everything).

That golden age of tolerance & exchange of ideas is what most Muslims have in mind when they refer to Cordoba. Granted, tolerance in the Middle Ages wasn't necessarily what we'd consider tolerant today, but it was pretty impressive for its time. Naturally, there are those who say that scholars who claim Muslims showed tolerance are simply apologists.

40 Jaerik  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 11:16:43pm

re: #10 EmmmieG

Really, I think a good rule of thumb would be: If it would be obscene for two heterosexuals to do it in public, homosexuals shouldn't either. If not, not.

Then again, I'm a bad person to ask about parades--the only one I go to regularly is the ones my kids are in.

I tend to agree with you, and so do most of my gay friends. Most wouldn't take their kids to parades with gyrating guys in thongs anymore than they would if it were a hetero setup.

That being said, a lot of heterosexuals try to argue that they have nothing against homosexuality, they just never want to see it. And that there's nowhere that straight people go to gyrate on floats and grind each other in public, so clearly the gay side is just freaky unnatural and oversexed.

Then I remind them about Mardi Gras and Las Vegas (an entire city dedicated to just that), and they go awkwardly silent on me.

41 shai_au  Mon, Oct 11, 2010 11:55:36pm

Well, in this case I think he was referring to the act of taking small children to such events, rather than the event itself. Although I'm sure he'd find the parade disgusting too, so it's a moot point, really.

At any rate, I don't think I've seen any "gyrating" at Gay Pride events. He's just feeding into the dubious notion that gay people are more sexualised than straight people.

42 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:00:36am

re: #39 CuriousLurker

Correction:

...he was born in Cordoba in what could more or less be considered the twilight years of the Golden Age of Islamic Spain (before the puritanical Almoravids Almohads became firmly entrenched and messed up everything).

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:35:45am

re: #40 Jaerik

I tend to agree with you, and so do most of my gay friends. Most wouldn't take their kids to parades with gyrating guys in thongs anymore than they would if it were a hetero setup.

That being said, a lot of heterosexuals try to argue that they have nothing against homosexuality, they just never want to see it. And that there's nowhere that straight people go to gyrate on floats and grind each other in public, so clearly the gay side is just freaky unnatural and oversexed.

Then I remind them about Mardi Gras and Las Vegas (an entire city dedicated to just that), and they go awkwardly silent on me.

Pretty much!

or spring break, or any strip club OH WHOOPS

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:40:53am

re: #33 Nick Schroeder

I'm pretty sure I overheard one of Olbermann/Maddow/ODonnell tonight mention that he's already since admitted that he's never actually been to the parades he's imagining (while surreptitiously rubbing his penis through a hole in his pocket).

I was told by my campaign manager that the homosexualists and their co-conspirators in this, this dark autocade they parade before our eyes, during this grim procession, that these fops engage in a manner of frottage, on mobile platforms, oscillating their torsos in an unseemly and leering fashion to passers by, their posteriors all aquiver, festooned as they were with purple ostrich feathers

ostrich feathers!

have they no decency? at long last?

why I simply do not cotton to this new society, no sir

45 LeftyMcKay  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:45:02am

Rlly Chrls, mst y snk t th lvl f th Nw Yrk Tms by prphrsng thr msldng hdln? Mr. Pldn s clrly sttng tht h fnds th ct f tw mn bhvng lwdly n pblc npprprt fr chldrn t vw. thnk t's sf t ssm h wld fnd t qlly npprprt fr chldrn t b wtchng "xtc dncrs" n nghtclb. Wldn't y? Why wld t b lss pprprt fr sxlly sggstv cts t b prfrmd n pblc nd s prt f prd? f y hd chldrn d y thnk t wld b sfl n ny wy t xps thm t thr sttn? wld crtnly hp nt.

46 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:56:21am

re: #45 LeftyMcKay

Rll Chrls, mst y snk t th lvl f th Nw Yrk Tms b prphrsng thr msldng hdln? Mr. Pldn s clrl sttng tht h fnds th ct f tw mn bhvng lwdl n pblc npprprt fr chldrn t vw. thnk t's sf t ssm h wld fnd t qll npprprt fr chldrn t b wtchng "xtc dncrs" n nghtclb. Wldn't y? Wh wld t b lss pprprt fr sxll sggstv cts t b prfrmd n pblc nd s prt f prd? f y hd chldrn d y thnk t wld b sfl n n w t xps thm t thr sttn? wld crtnl hp nt.

Are you suggesting that every gay pride parade is a oversexed display of people grinding for all the world to see, "corrupting" impressionable youth for the purposes of "indoctrinating" and "recruiting" them?

If so, you and Paladino know exactly two things: jack and shit.

/LGF Class of 2004 and only 14 posts? Sleeper sez whut?

47 freetoken  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:57:05am

re: #45 LeftyMcKay

I think it's safe to assume he would find it equally inappropriate for children to be watching "exotic dancers" in a nightclub. Wouldn't you?

Oh really? You mean this guy?

Carl Paladino Tells Alan Colmes Sending Bestiality Emails is Only Human

48 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:00:28am

re: #45 LeftyMcKay

One comment every 160 days or so.
Awesome.

49 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:02:59am

re: #48 Varek Raith

One comment every 160 days or so.
Awesome.

Topics like these draw the SoCon sleepers and socks in like flies to the bug zapper...

50 boredtechindenver  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:08:21am

re: #45 Tug McGroin

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Just wanted to mess with his nick.

51 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:19:17am

re: #50 boredtechindenver

LOL!

52 freetoken  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:04:04am
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53 Kragar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:28:51am

re: #50 boredtechindenver

Just wanted to mess with his nick.

Phil McCracken?

54 Summer Seale  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:12:33am

re: #45 LeftyMcKay

You left your brain in the third grade when you dropped it in the bathroom. Please go and pick it back up. Thanks.

55 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:29:49am

I go off for a few hours of deserved sleep, and this thread degenerates into gyrating bestophiles and revered rabbis. Or was it the other way around?

56 freetoken  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:38:48am
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57 freetoken  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:55:27am

Of all the music in the Bond films, I think this is my favorite (even over the original theme recording.) The movie it's from I'm also strangely enamored with, and think it could have been a very good, serious movie if the director/producer would have done a few things differently:

MP3 Audio
58 garhighway  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 4:44:09am

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

I don't find aggressive policing endangering freedoms. I think it frees people from the fear of crime and disorder. People aren't to be targeted for the words they say but rather for trying to shake others down for money, steal from others, and impede others from being where they lawfully have right to be. You don't have to give up freedom to have safety; That is New York's great lesson.

Except that New York's crime stats moved down at roughly the same time and pace as other major cities.

59 freetoken  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 4:53:40am

More running from the press:

Miller refuses to answer questions about past

Alaska U.S. Senate hopeful Joe Miller said Monday he will no longer answer reporters' questions about his background and personal life, following what he called a leak of his personnel record from when he served as a government attorney.

Miller offered no proof of this during a brief news conference in Anchorage, saying only that he'd learned over the weekend that members of the media had gained access to his confidential file from his work with the Fairbanks North Star Borough.

An assistant borough attorney, Jill Dolan, said Monday that she did not know of any confidentiality breach. An attorney for Miller didn't return a message.

Miller called it the "latest political attack" against him and his family, and an effort to divert attention from the real issues of the race.

"We've drawn a line in the sand," he said. "You can ask me about background, you can ask me about personal issues, I'm not going to answer them. I'm not. This is about the issues. ... This is about moving this state forward, and that's our commitment."

Miller's candidacy has drawn increased scrutiny since his upset of Sen. Lisa Murkowski in the August GOP primary.

Miller [...] also has won backing from within the Republican establishment -- including the state GOP, National Republican Senatorial Committee and Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., whom Miller mentioned when asked during a debate which sitting senator he most admired.

In recent weeks, it has been reported that Miller, who has called for an end to the "welfare state," received federal farm subsidies for land he owned in Kansas in the 1990s and that he and his wife received low-income hunting and fishing licenses when they first moved to Alaska and he was fresh from law school.

Miller also acknowledged his family also received Medicaid for a period and that his wife briefly received unemployment benefits.

While critics, including Murkowski, have labeled him a hypocrite for accepting the types of benefits he now has concerns about or opposes as federally run programs Miller sees things differently. He has said he doesn't receive benefits currently and that, for a time, he and wife Kathleen struggled, like many others, and needed the help.

[...]

"Now, I'll admit, and I've said this before, I'm a man of flaws. There's no question about it," he said. "You know, I wasn't born with a silver spoon."

On Monday, he said he and his wife are probably the "most disclosed couple" in Alaska politics in recent history -- "You know virtually everything about us," he said -- and said he believes that much of what has come to light has been the result of "journalistic impropriety."

He singled out the Alaska Dispatch as focusing on "negative" stories about him. The blog broke the farm subsidy story and is among the outlets that have probed into his background, including his employment at the borough.

The Dispatch and the Fairbanks Daily News Miner said Monday they had sued the Fairbanks North Star Borough for release of Miller's employment records.

A batch of documents was released before the primary but they were at-times heavily redacted, and Miller's campaign held a news conference at the time to discuss them. Miller has asked the borough to waive attorney-client privilege before agreeing to any greater disclosure. Dolan said she's twice written Miller's attorney, seeking clarification on what he considers privileged but hasn't heard back.
[...]

60 garhighway  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 4:58:53am

OT: Google and an investment firm propose to build a 6 megawatt transmission line off the Atlantic Coast, so wind farms will have a way to get their power to the grid. Very interesting.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

61 garhighway  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:02:16am

Further OT: a nice piece on anonymity in political donations:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

62 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:07:22am

It's dead in here in the morning anymore. Depression must still be sinking in. Buck up people, the election will be over shortly and we can start all over again in 3 more weeks.

"This is the most boring group ever. Buck up!" -- J. Biden

63 freetoken  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:08:49am

I hate to link to Newsmax... but Monday they published part of their interview with The Sarah Esther, if you can handle it:

Palin Warns of ‘Armageddon,' 'Third World War' in Exclusive Newsmax Broadcast

[...]

Allowing Islamic-oriented laws in U.S. communities would be "the downfall of America," Palin says, adding that Americans "will not put up with any hint of Shariah law being any sort of law of the land."

[...]

DEATH PANELS!!

SHARIA!!

64 nhand42  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:09:04am

I half agree with Mr. Paladino. If it were a man and a woman, provocatively dressed, and grinding each other in public, it would also be disgusting. That behaviour isn't appropriate for children to watch. It doesn't matter whether it's two men (or two women); any two adults acting that way in public is disgusting.

That said, I think it's important for gay pride parades, because the alternative was keeping homosexuality a "shameful secret" and that's far worse. I just wish they'd do it tastefully instead of going for the obvious shock value. I can't watch the gay pride parades, even though I support the point being made.

I think Mardi Gras is tasteless as well. Call me a prude if you like, but I don't think I'm in the minority on this one.

65 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:09:04am

re: #62 RogueOne

It's dead in here in the morning anymore. Depression must still be sinking in. Buck up people, the election will be over shortly and we can start all over again in 3 more weeks.

"This is the most boring group ever. Buck up!" -- J. Biden

Socks and trolls have a shitty work ethic. The new crop will be awake soon.

66 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:10:26am

Today is a big day for me, I'm starting the celebration early:

Image: BalloonBoy+-+Never+forget.jpg

67 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:10:27am

re: #63 freetoken


I'd really love to take advantage of the hate for sharia law to pass a law banning any laws that coincide with sharia. It'd be fun to see every psycho-Christian inspired law get quashed. Kind of '80s movie ironic.

68 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:12:52am

re: #66 RogueOne

That's what the country needs right now, a good distraction like balloon boy. Oh, and an apocalyptic event on the level of Dresden circa WW2. BTW, WTf was that all about?

69 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:13:29am

re: #63 freetoken

Can I read that without giving them a ping? Sooner or later she's going to join Howard Beale and Lonesome Rhodes in the flame-out brigade.

70 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:14:27am

re: #66 RogueOne

No load, might be my end.

71 freetoken  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:15:27am

re: #69 Decatur Deb

Sorry, I couldn't find a Google cache. Just wait until later today and Google will have cached it. And by then Newsmax may have published the entire interview and not just snippets.

72 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:15:32am

re: #70 Decatur Deb

No load, might be my end.

It was just a balloon boy memorial pic. Never Forget!

I've been having issues lately getting pics to load 1/2 the time.

73 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:17:37am

re: #64 nhand42

I generally am uninterested in the sex lives of others. I don't get disgusted by open sexual displays, in general, just not really interested in them. Never got the point of stuff like Spring Break; it doesn't make me feel more interested in sex to be surrounded by thousands of people drunkenly macking.

I like intimacy. Hard to get in public.

I lived in San Francisco for many, many years, and even in that gay haven I've seen as much public sexuality from straight people as gay people. It's the height of hypocrisy for people to label gays as exhibitionists, given America's love affair with, to quote Dr. Diddy on Family Guy, "America loves hot white jailbait ass."

74 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:18:17am

re: #72 RogueOne

It was just a balloon boy memorial pic. Never Forget!

I've been having issues lately getting pics to load 1/2 the time.

I once was able to do the new photo-posting trick, but seem to have forgotten how. Back to Remedial Lizardry for me.

75 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:19:55am

[Link: twocrabs.blogs.com...]

76 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:29:28am

Back to work.....

77 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:53:52am

Mornin', everyone...

78 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:54:21am

The news six months from now:

[Link: www.salon.com...]

79 Summer Seale  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:54:58am

re: #64 nhand42

Youtube Video
80 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:56:36am

re: #77 darthstar

Mornin', everyone...

Did the Giants advance?

81 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:01:37am

Oy. Yet another reason I hope Warren Redlich will win. (Yes I know he's wrong on the climate change issue, but he's not a bigot like Paladino.)

82 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:21:22am

re: #80 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did the Giants advance?

Yes.

83 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:24:41am

re: #82 oaktree

Yes.

I almost, ALMOST, feel bad for the kid who had 3 errors Sunday. But I hate the Braves so fuck 'em.

84 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:24:57am

re: #80 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did the Giants advance?

yep

85 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:25:37am

re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar

I almost, ALMOST, feel bad for the kid who had 3 errors Sunday. But I hate the Braves so fuck 'em.

It wasn't pretty, but they got it done.

86 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:26:28am

re: #85 darthstar

It wasn't pretty, but they got it done.

They are about to run into some serious pitching.

87 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:29:47am

re: #86 Cannadian Club Akbar

They are about to run into some serious pitching.

Giants pitching isn't too shabby either. Should be an interesting series NLCS.

88 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:31:06am

re: #87 oaktree

Giants pitching isn't too shabby either. Should be an interesting series NLCS.

Good pitching always beats good hitting. One of the best games I ever saw live ended 1-0.

89 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:32:03am

re: #87 oaktree

Giants pitching isn't too shabby either. Should be an interesting series NLCS.

The Freak threw 14ks in his win. Sanchez threw 11ks in 6 2/3 innings. Bumgarner actually threw well last night too. The Giants biggest problem is their lack of good batting.

90 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:32:51am

re: #89 darthstar

The Freak threw 14ks in his win. Sanchez threw 11ks in 6 2/3 innings. Bumgarner actually threw well last night too. The Giants biggest problem is their lack of good batting.

The Freak. Is that the hippee?

91 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:34:24am

Heh...Rand Paul tries recycling Jay Leno jabs (I stopped watching Leno years ago...is he still doing Clinton-Lewinsky jokes? It seems every time I stumble by his show he's telling one.)

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Leno sucks, and so does Paul.

92 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:35:02am

re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar

The Freak. Is that the hippee?

Tim Lincecum, yes. They call him The Freak...nice nickname, if you ask me.

93 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:36:23am

re: #89 darthstar

The Freak threw 14ks in his win. Sanchez threw 11ks in 6 2/3 innings. Bumgarner actually threw well last night too. The Giants biggest problem is their lack of good batting.

We'll get to see how hydrophobic their batting is, and that might be key.

94 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:36:37am

re: #73 Obdicut

Parades by tradition are friendly to the whole family, all age groups.

I for one do not appreciate public sexual displays. Now by public, I mean ordinary streets and parks. I have no problem with a "public" event that celebrates sexuality, as an adults only event the adult public may attend.

The gay pride parade has enough participants engaging in adult level displays and acts that it's not young kids appropriate. With incidents like this, I think it's fair to say the parades need to reign it in a bit. Men can be such pigs.

95 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:36:51am

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

SpaceJesus has some followup:

Paladino Backtracks From Homophobic Comments, Claims The Jews Snuck Them In

When in doubt, blame the Jooos. And this make Paladino different from an Islamist how?

He was claiming that members of the congregation had inserted the line into his speech. Problem is that the speech as he prepared it (even excluding the line cited elsewhere) was still quite hurtful and treated gays as second class citizens. He's trying to throw one of his friends under the bus - Yehuda Levin, a rabbi of little more than a minyan (12 people in his congregation) Levin also happens to be a whole lot more conservative than many other rabbis in the Orthodox community and was hoping to set up an Orthodox tea party.

96 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:37:11am

re: #92 darthstar

Tim Lincecum, yes. They call him The Freak...nice nickname, if you ask me.

I would be honored to be called that if I were a ball player. But I'm not. And they still call me that!!
//

97 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:37:12am

re: #94 Rightwingconspirator

I think the gay parades should reign it in as soon as straight culture reigns it in.

That's not going to happen, so why pick on the gays?

98 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:38:32am

re: #91 darthstar

Heh...Rand Paul tries recycling Jay Leno jabs (I stopped watching Leno years ago...is he still doing Clinton-Lewinsky jokes? It seems every time I stumble by his show he's telling one.)

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Leno sucks, and so does Paul.

So.. still blame the Republicans? Do these people know who has been running Congress since '06?

99 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:38:56am

re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

I would be honored to be called that if I were a ball player. But I'm not. And they still call me that!!
//

I have friends who call me "dirty fucking hippy"...I always reply, "thank you."

100 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:40:16am

re: #97 Obdicut

We don't see or hear about calls to reign in the Mardi Gras parades. Or West Indian parades here in NYC, where the costumes are notable for what they don't cover - and that's to name just two prominent examples.

Some folks have a way too puritanical view on things... and it's interesting that some of the same folks who have issues with this are also complaining about too much government intrusion. Odd how that works.

101 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:40:27am

re: #99 darthstar

I have friends who call me "dirty fucking hippy"...I always reply, "thank you."

Next time someone says that, ask them if they have any extra soap.
/

102 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:41:25am

re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar

So.. still blame the Republicans? Do these people know who has been running Congress since '06?

Personally, I'm looking forward to the endless investigations of the Seekrit Mooslim President after Boehner gets to be speaker. It'll be non-stop "What the fuck?" for the next two years...oh, and the health care bill won't get funded (to make it fail)...that's going to be awesome.

103 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:41:40am

re: #101 Cannadian Club Akbar

Next time someone says that, ask them if they have any extra soap.
/

What's soap?

104 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:42:00am

re: #100 lawhawk

Or billboards, for that matter. New York certainly has some interesting ones.

San Francisco just doesn't have as many, I guess, because obviously SF isn't more puritanical than NYC, but I've been kind of startled by some of the ads since moving here.

I think part of it is that I find model-thin girls really creepy.

105 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:42:44am

re: #97 Obdicut

What straight parade has a sexual display problem? I have never seen one. Less specifically I have objected to the ads on cabs in Vegas as too adult. People handing out flyers for prostitutes is a bit much. Adult sexual displays are for adults only areas.

106 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:43:14am

re: #104 Obdicut

Or billboards, for that matter. New York certainly has some interesting ones.

San Francisco just doesn't have as many, I guess, because obviously SF isn't more puritanical than NYC, but I've been kind of startled by some of the ads since moving here.

I think part of it is that I find model-thin girls really creepy.

Like boinkin' a broom!

107 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:44:02am

re: #105 Rightwingconspirator

What straight parade has a sexual display problem? I have never seen one. Less specifically I have objected to the ads on cabs in Vegas as too adult. People handing out flyers for prostitutes is a bit much. Adult sexual displays are for adults only areas.

Prostitute fliers? I SO live in the wrong place.

108 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:44:16am

re: #105 Rightwingconspirator

What straight parade has a sexual display problem? I have never seen one. Less specifically I have objected to the ads on cabs in Vegas as too adult. People handing out flyers for prostitutes is a bit much. Adult sexual displays are for adults only areas.

Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. Those announcers are dicks.

109 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:45:37am

re: #105 Rightwingconspirator

What straight parade has a sexual display problem?

Mardis Gras, Bay To Breakers, every motorcycle rally, like Sturgis-- where there are always tons of kids-- tons of beach parties and beach contests.

Seriously, just because they don't get press doesn't mean they don't exist. It's because they're not gay, so it's just accepted.

110 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:46:28am

Heh.... Actually this is a double heh.

The older brother of Kim Jong Un is against dynastic succession but wishes his younger brother luck in running the Hermit Kingdom.

Kim Jong-nam, who is known to live in China and Macau, told Japan's TV Asahi that he personally had no interest in becoming leader, indicating there was no power struggle between the siblings who are believed to have different mothers.

"Personally, I am against third-generation dynastic succession," Kim Jong-nam said in an interview with TV Asahi on October 9, the day before a large military parade in Pyongyang where his brother took center-stage and made his national debut.

"But I think there were internal factors. I think we should adhere to it if there were internal factors involved."

The portly oldest son of leader Kim Jong-il has been thought to have fallen out of his father's favor, especially after he was deported from Japan on suspicion of trying to enter Japan with forged travel documents to go to Tokyo Disneyland.

That very thought is why he's not going to run the place even if he wanted.

111 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:46:33am

re: #108 darthstar

Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. Those announcers are dicks.

I dunno..my favorite moment in the Macy's parade was when Richard Simmons came on hawking some snack cookie he was selling at the time and then pranced off (you know the word is appropriate with Richard) to throw out samples to the people on the sidewalk. Katie Couric then turned to the camera and said "There goes Richard Simmons, he's going to toss his cookies all over the crowd!"

112 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:47:05am

re: #109 Obdicut

Mardis Gras, Bay To Breakers, every motorcycle rally, like Sturgis-- where there are always tons of kids-- tons of beach parties and beach contests.

Seriously, just because they don't get press doesn't mean they don't exist. It's because they're not gay, so it's just accepted.

What's so sexual about a wet-tshirt contest or grabbing a hot-dog with your mouth from the back of a moving motorcycle?

113 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:48:13am

re: #112 darthstar

What's so sexual about a wet-tshirt contest or grabbing a hot-dog with your mouth from the back of a moving motorcycle?

Nothing...but then these are the same people who complain about other people humming dirty songs.

//

114 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:48:17am

re: #109 Obdicut

Sturgis? You don't say.

I was through Sturgis once, but not during the rally. Interesting town that is totally geared to that one week when the rally happens. It becomes the biggest city in the Black Hills for that one week, and then spends the rest of the year recovering.

115 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:48:39am

re: #110 lawhawk

"Portly" and being a Nork doesn't make sense.

116 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:49:14am

re: #113 pt Barnum

Nothing...but then these are the same people who complain about other people humming dirty songs.

//

Dirty songs...you should hear my version of Amazing Grace...

117 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:49:53am

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

He's not fat. He's big boned. And he's the son of the dictator, so he's not exactly wanting for food like the rest of his fellow countrymen, who have to scrounge about for bits of food to eat among the scraps, weeds, and vermin.

118 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:50:53am

Biker sluts rule. At the free clinic. (not sure about a sarc tag here)

119 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:51:06am

re: #114 lawhawk

I was at Sturgis one year. It smelled so fucking bad. Motorcycle fumes, terrible beer, urine, smoke, sweaty leather. I made a shit-ton of money though, just barbacking.

120 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:51:29am

re: #109 Obdicut

Oh, just by the arrest rate I can tell Sturgis has issues with people that need to reign it in.

Honestly Obdicut, (no links, ha ha) my feelings on the matter are not gay centric. And I support laws that protect the very young from sexual displays. Like it being illegal to play pron in your overhead video player in the SUV, or whip it out in public view.

121 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:51:50am

re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar

Biker sluts rule. At the free clinic. (not sure about a sarc tag here)

They taste like ashtrays though.

122 Slap  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:52:01am

re: #92 darthstar

Agreed, a great nickname.

But My favorite was Randy Johnson's. (Which is a walking double entendre, to begin with....) Really, what man wouldn't enjoy being known as the Big Unit?

123 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:52:56am

re: #121 darthstar

They taste like ashtrays though.

Eww!! Ya don't kiss them!! Are you the sham-wow guy?1?1?
///

124 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:53:37am

re: #120 Rightwingconspirator

Oh, just by the arrest rate I can tell Sturgis has issues with people that need to reign it in.

Honestly Obdicut, (no links, ha ha) my feelings on the matter are not gay centric. And I support laws that protect the very young from sexual displays. Like it being illegal to play pron in your overhead video player in the SUV, or whip it out in public view.

I think I've seen pron in the overhead video player driving by a few SUVs late at night.

125 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:53:54am

re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar

Eww!! Ya don't kiss them!! Are you the sham-wow guy?1?1?
///

He didn't say anything about kissing them.

126 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:54:06am

re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar

Eww!! Ya don't kiss them!! Are you the sham-wow guy?1?1?
///

My days of dating women of questionable medical history are far behind me, thank god.

127 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:54:48am

re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar

Eww!! Ya don't kiss them!! Are you the sham-wow guy?1?1?
///

Yer gonna love my nuts! (his only pickup line)

128 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:54:49am

re: #107 Cannadian Club Akbar

Prostitute fliers? I SO live in the wrong place.

Go for it. Coastal? S.F. Like the heat? Las Vegas baby!
(Okay I think you have to buy the fliers in SF, no street hawking I ever saw)

129 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:54:52am

re: #120 Rightwingconspirator

That's fine. I'm just pointing out that we, as a society, have broad-based acceptance for huge, highly sexualized parties. If you want to get 'em banned, go for it, but don't single out the gay pride parades, which at least have one positive function as well.

I think our problem with sexuality is pretty deep in our culture, the madonna/whore complex we've got going on, our total abject fear of children displaying any sexuality at all combined with our obsession with 'barely legal' girls strutting their stuff. I think the hypersexualized displays are a symptom, not a cause, and attempts at repression just make crap worse.

130 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:55:06am

re: #124 pt Barnum

I think I've seen pron in the overhead video player driving by a few SUVs late at night.

Pron while driving. So much for that whole "hands free" bullshit. Just sayin'.

131 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:56:19am

Sigh. Climate change troll in previous thread.

132 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:56:56am

re: #131 iossarian

Sigh. Climate change troll in previous thread.

mmm...fresh meat

133 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:57:54am

re: #129 Obdicut

That's fine. I'm just pointing out that we, as a society, have broad-based acceptance for huge, highly sexualized parties. If you want to get 'em banned, go for it, but don't single out the gay pride parades, which at least have one positive function as well.

I think our problem with sexuality is pretty deep in our culture, the madonna/whore complex we've got going on, our total abject fear of children displaying any sexuality at all combined with our obsession with 'barely legal' girls strutting their stuff. I think the hypersexualized displays are a symptom, not a cause, and attempts at repression just make crap worse.

I don't disagree, but when it's okay to show a decapitated corpse in primetime TV (CSI) but it's not okay to show anybody naked (remember how much crap NYPD blue got for showing a few full moons?) The problem goes deeper than that. We're okay with showing life being taken or destroyed, but heaven forbid we should all admit how it gets here.

134 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:58:35am

re: #132 darthstar

mmm...fresh meat

meh...not worth it

135 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:59:03am

re: #129 Obdicut

I guess I mean to delineate public view from adult public invited. Hey throw the parties and enforce adults only. Bars can do it, swingers clubs manage that too.

136 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:59:28am

re: #134 darthstar

Hit-and-run denialism.

137 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:01:32am

re: #135 Rightwingconspirator

For that, you'd have to explain how open displays of sexuality actually hurt children. I think countries where open displays are less taboo generally have less of a problem with sex than we do.

138 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:03:36am

re: #135 Rightwingconspirator

I guess I mean to delineate public view from adult public invited. Hey throw the parties and enforce adults only. Bars can do it, swingers clubs manage that too.

I don't mind people kissing and hugging. But dry humping each other (regardless of choice) makes me want to turn on a hose.

139 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:04:32am

re: #137 Obdicut

For that, you'd have to explain how open displays of sexuality actually hurt children. I think countries where open displays are less taboo generally have less of a problem with sex than we do.

Lower teen pregnancy rates, too. If sex isn't a forbidden thing, then kids are more likely to take it seriously and wear protection.

140 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:05:05am

re: #138 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't mind people kissing and hugging. But dry humping each other (regardless of choice) makes me want to turn on a hose.

Keep your hose in your pants...

141 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:06:45am

Good morning lizards!

142 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:07:39am

re: #141 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Good morning...we're talking about fucky things right now, so brace yourself.

143 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:07:40am

re: #140 darthstar

Keep your hose in your pants...

I got carded for beer when I was 21. I pulled it out and flopped it on the counter and said, "Do you think I can grow that in 20 years"?
//har

144 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:11:36am

re: #142 darthstar

Good morning...we're talking about fucky things right now, so brace yourself.

Uh, I don't think I want to know.

How about some Hendrix this morning?

Youtube Video
145 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:11:37am

The guy who owns this page:

[Link: wuphys.wustl.edu...]

is in the higher-education news. One of the articles on the page is entitled "In Defense of Homophobia" (that one has been blocked, but the others were still available a short while ago, including "Diversity is the Last Refuge of a Scoundrel", which is all about how ).

Anyway, his 22 year-old son just came out as being gay.

Fun times at Thanksgiving!

146 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:12:53am

re: #39 CuriousLurker

Okay, it's getting late here and I have to go. If you come back, you might want to read the first two chapters of this old (1903) biography of Maimonides They cover his early life—he was born in Cordoba in what could more or less be considered the twilight years of the Golden Age of Islamic Spain (before the puritanical Almoravids became firmly entrenched and messed up everything).

That golden age of tolerance & exchange of ideas is what most Muslims have in mind when they refer to Cordoba. Granted, tolerance in the Middle Ages wasn't necessarily what we'd consider tolerant today, but it was pretty impressive for its time. Naturally, there are those who say that scholars who claim Muslims showed tolerance are simply apologists.

Thanks! bookmarked.

147 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:13:17am

re: #145 iossarian

Odd deletion there - meant to say: "all about how universities that try to increase their minority student numbers are just pandering to political correctness".

148 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:14:28am

re: #145 iossarian

The guy who owns this page:

[Link: wuphys.wustl.edu...]

is in the higher-education news. One of the articles on the page is entitled "In Defense of Homophobia" (that one has been blocked, but the others were still available a short while ago, including "Diversity is the Last Refuge of a Scoundrel", which is all about how ).

Anyway, his 22 year-old son just came out as being gay.

Fun times at Thanksgiving!

Hello mom, hello, dad, I'm gay. Pass the taters. (don't ask for stuffing if you're gay!!)

149 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:14:44am

Well, gotta go. Something came up. Later.

150 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:18:25am

re: #149 NJDhockeyfan

Well, gotta go. Something came up. Later.

Told ya...fucky things.

151 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:18:28am

All righty. I need to find a new job. BBIAB.

152 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:19:35am

re: #148 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hello mom, hello, dad, I'm gay. Pass the taters. (don't ask for stuffing if you're gay!!)

Ho ho.

I also just noticed that in another article, while he does say that AGW is real, he advocates taking a relaxed view, as it is "probably good for humanity".

There's stuff on "learning disabilities" as well (his scare quotes, not mine).

He's really covering all the bases.

153 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:30:43am

re: #145 iossarian

The guy who owns this page:

[Link: wuphys.wustl.edu...]

is in the higher-education news. One of the articles on the page is entitled "In Defense of Homophobia" (that one has been blocked, but the others were still available a short while ago, including "Diversity is the Last Refuge of a Scoundrel", which is all about how ).

Anyway, his 22 year-old son just came out as being gay.

Fun times at Thanksgiving!

Telling quote: "University administrators are generally failed or bored academics who have chosen the camaraderie of the committee room over the rigors of the library or laboratory."

Somebody has a bone up their ass, if you'll excuse the expression.

154 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:35:03am

re: #153 Decatur Deb

Telling quote: "University administrators are generally failed or bored academics who have chosen the camaraderie of the committee room over the rigors of the library or laboratory."

Somebody has a bone up their ass, if you'll excuse the expression.

Would you like some hard cheese with your whine, professor?

155 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:35:16am

Must see...Fox trying to get this Simpsons' opening credit yanked off the internets...
[Link: www.aceshowbiz.com...]


Youtube Video
156 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:36:58am

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

I got carded for beer when I was 21. I pulled it out and flopped it on the counter and said, "Do you think I can grow that in 20 years"?
//har

I tried that..and said you know what that is? They said ..well it looks like a penis, only smaller :(

157 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:39:52am

re: #155 darthstar

Heh... and while the scene is supposedly based on the conditions in South Korea, they could just as easily apply to most anything produced in China these days for export to the US - complete with the vile working conditions, contaminated products, etc.

158 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:46:36am

re: #157 lawhawk

Heh... and while the scene is supposedly based on the conditions in South Korea, they could just as easily apply to most anything produced in China these days for export to the US - complete with the vile working conditions, contaminated products, etc.

They're taking American Jobs that most Americans wouldn't take (under the same working conditions)

159 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:53:12am

Libertarian gubernatorial candidate Warren Redlich discusses his plans for New York.

[Link: www.ny1.com...]

160 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:53:14am

re: #157 lawhawk

Heh... and while the scene is supposedly based on the conditions in South Korea, they could just as easily apply to most anything produced in China these days for export to the US - complete with the vile working conditions, contaminated products, etc.

I thought throwing kittens into a wood-chipper to make stuffing for Bart dolls and slave-pandas were nice touches.

161 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:54:51am

FYI...

It's snowing... about 1/4 inch on grassy/wooded areas... roads just wet... welcome... winter in the Rocky Mountains...

BBIAB

162 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:55:45am

re: #158 pt Barnum

They're taking American Jobs that most Americans wouldn't take (under the same working conditions)

Working conditions like those are illegal in the United States.

163 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:56:42am

re: #162 Alouette

Working conditions like those are illegal in the United States.

Not if the GOP has it's way!

164 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:56:55am

Gah, its.

165 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:57:27am

re: #159 pharmmajor

You do realize that this guy has no chance of even getting 1% of the vote? Based on the 2006 results, getting 15,000 votes statewide would be a tall order. In fact, the libertarian candidate got 0.003% of the vote in 2006. The Green and WFP lines got more than that. The Libertarian line in NY can't even register as a protest vote because no one even notices them.

And his positions aren't in the mainstream of the NY polity either.

166 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:00:18am

re: #159 pharmmajor

Libertarian gubernatorial candidate Warren Redlich discusses his plans for New York.

[Link: www.ny1.com...]

I'd tell you my plans for New York, but they'd be as relevant as Warren Redlich's.

167 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:00:33am

re: #162 Alouette

Working conditions like those are illegal in the United States.

Exactly. But wasn't free trade supposed to export our working conditions, not our jobs?

168 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:00:50am

re: #166 darthstar

I'd tell you my plans for New York, but they'd be as relevant as Warren Redlich's.

*Darth Helmet*: I'm surrounded by cynics!

169 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:01:28am

re: #163 iossarian

Not if the GOP has it's way!

Some of the "innovative entrepreneurs" that the GOP thinks should be admired.

170 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:01:56am

re: #162 Alouette

Working conditions like those are illegal in the United States.

Alabama no longer requires "working papers" for each child worker. The boss can buy a "site license". (Looks like 16-17 yrs olds, at least).

171 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:03:32am

re: #168 pharmmajor

*Darth Helmet*: I'm surrounded by cynics!

Sorry...sometimes I can't help myself.

172 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:03:54am

re: #167 pt Barnum

Exactly. But wasn't free trade supposed to export our working conditions, not our jobs?

If we work through the UN's International Labor Organization and export our conditions, many of the jobs will come back. Mercedes is building cars in AL to get at the "cheap foreign labor".

173 Slap  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:11:44am

re: #139 darthstar

Lower teen pregnancy rates, too. If sex isn't a forbidden thing, then kids are more likely to take it seriously and wear protection.

AND lower rates of sexual assault, too. Funny how that works.

174 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:14:33am

re: #169 Alouette

Some of the "innovative entrepreneurs" that the GOP thinks should be admired.

You could add this guy to that list as well:

Hungary: Toxic spill factory chief executive arrested

The arrest of Zoltan Bakonyi was announced by the PM Viktor Orban. Mr Orban also said the company would be temporarily nationalised and that those responsible for the disaster should bear the financial consequences.

TRANZI PROG SOCIALISM!!!11!!

175 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:15:22am

re: #165 lawhawk

You do realize that this guy has no chance of even getting 1% of the vote? Based on the 2006 results, getting 15,000 votes statewide would be a tall order. In fact, the libertarian candidate got 0.003% of the vote in 2006. The Green and WFP lines got more than that. The Libertarian line in NY can't even register as a protest vote because no one even notices them.

And his positions aren't in the mainstream of the NY polity either.

Well, I'm doing my part to help get his message spread. I just got in touch with one of the coordinators of The Daily Show and pitched Redlich as a guest. Provided her with the contact info and a link to his site, so hopefully he'll be invited on and get a chance to share his platform with Jon and the public.

176 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:15:31am

re: #8 SpaceJesus

gay men grinding on each other = bad

strip club next to ground zero = ok

AND:

straight Tea Party pols grinding into former employees (sufficiently to create offspring) = ok.

Paladino is the "values" candidate. His mistress obviously offered some pretty good value.

177 garhighway  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:18:01am

re: #175 pharmmajor

Well, I'm doing my part to help get his message spread. I just got in touch with one of the coordinators of The Daily Show and pitched Redlich as a guest. Provided her with the contact info and a link to his site, so hopefully he'll be invited on and get a chance to share his platform with Jon and the public.

Be careful what you wish for, chief.

178 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:20:17am

re: #175 pharmmajor

Well, I'm doing my part to help get his message spread. I just got in touch with one of the coordinators of The Daily Show and pitched Redlich as a guest. Provided her with the contact info and a link to his site, so hopefully he'll be invited on and get a chance to share his platform with Jon and the public.

I sat next to a bona fide Libertarian Congressional candidate at one of my haunts in NYC a few years ago. Once you scratched the surface, there was so much crazy there in the grand Paulian tradition that, after he left, the barkeep gave all the regulars free drinks and the kitchen sent up some appetizers.

My point: I would have a look at Redlich (which means "honest" in German, btw) as an independent candidate. Having chosen to run as a Libertarian, he almost certainly will fail the "scratch and sniff" test. Sorry, pharmmajor, I respect your opinions, but cannot embrace the Libs.

179 garhighway  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:22:28am

OT: Big, important case at SCOTUS today, regarding the scope of the vaccine court.

If plaintiff wins, it guts the vaccine court system and the anti-vaxers have a field day.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

180 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:23:21am

ABC News is touting this as though deception and subterfuge in military affairs is something new. In fact, this is the same kind of thing the Allies did in England prior to Operation Overlord. They built an entire army of inflatable equipment to confuse any German recon efforts.

181 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:23:30am

re: #178 imp_62


My point: I would have a look at Redlich (which means "honest" in German, btw) as an independent candidate. Having chosen to run as a Libertarian, he almost certainly will fail the "scratch and sniff" test. Sorry, pharmmajor, I respect your opinions, but cannot embrace the Libs.

Well, I respect your opinions as well. I'm just trying to let people know that there are more choices out there than just what the Dems and the GOP have to offer.

182 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:26:19am

re: #181 pharmmajor

Well, I respect your opinions as well. I'm just trying to let people know that there are more choices out there than just what the Dems and the GOP have to offer.

There are choices, absolutely. However, unlike European parliamentary systems, any vote in this country which is cast for any other than the Democrats or Republicans, is generally no more than a protest vote. How many third-party members of Congress are there? How many on a local government level?

183 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:28:21am

re: #175 pharmmajor

Well, I'm doing my part to help get his message spread. I just got in touch with one of the coordinators of The Daily Show and pitched Redlich as a guest. Provided her with the contact info and a link to his site, so hopefully he'll be invited on and get a chance to share his platform with Jon and the public.

Might have been nicer just to feed your man into a tree chipper.

184 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:31:28am

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Upding for Fargo reference, conscious or not.

185 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:31:41am

re: #183 Decatur Deb

If nothing else, the stupidity of Redlich's "Global warming is hot air" (Geddit? Geddit? Wowzers!) joke would probably set Stewart off.

186 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:31:48am

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Might have been nicer just to feed your man into a tree chipper.

Hey, Jon was nice to Obama, maybe he'll be nice to Redlich given his liberal social policies (he supports same-sex marriage, ending the war on drugs, and is a proponent of the Cordoba House.)

187 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:32:23am

re: #184 imp_62

Upding for Fargo reference, conscious or not.

I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your dinger work, there, Lou.

188 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:33:45am

re: #186 pharmmajor

Hey, Jon was nice to Obama, maybe he'll be nice to Redlich given his liberal social policies (he supports same-sex marriage, ending the war on drugs, and is a proponent of the Cordoba House.)

He also wants to eliminate the Division of Human Rights, the Office for Prevention of Domestic Violence and the Crime Victims Board. Not exactly what you'd call "liberal social policies".

On the other hand, he also wants to eliminate Homeland Security. Something for everyone?

189 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:34:20am

re: #186 pharmmajor

Hey, Jon was nice to Obama, maybe he'll be nice to Redlich given his liberal social policies (he supports same-sex marriage, ending the war on drugs, and is a proponent of the Cordoba House.)

I'm thinking he might turn him over to a Wyatt Senak/Asif Mandvi tag-team.

190 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:35:10am

What does Redlich think of Civil Rights legislation? I wonder...

191 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:37:38am

re: #190 iossarian

What does Redlich think of Civil Rights legislation? I wonder...

Given that he supports same-sex marriage, I would say it's safe to assume he is for protecting and upholding civil rights.

192 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:38:57am

re: #191 pharmmajor

Given that he supports same-sex marriage, I would say it's safe to assume he is for protecting and upholding civil rights.

Really?


Redlich Agrees With Rand Paul On Civil Rights Act


Republican gubernatorial candidate Warren Redlich said Tuesday that he agrees with Kentucky Senate candidate Rand Paul that the federal government was wrong to desegregate private businesses when the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed.

Well then.

Seriously, do you ever do any research on these guys?

193 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:39:25am

re: #191 pharmmajor

Given that he supports same-sex marriage, I would say it's safe to assume he is for protecting and upholding civil rights.

Would he support a fried chicken manager who flagged Gays/Blacks/Irish/Others out of his restaurant?

194 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:40:44am

re: #193 Decatur Deb

He takes the rather nutty middle ground of saying he'd have voted for the Civil Rights act, yet the contents of it weren't good.

Redlich, by contrast, said that he would have voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act, but still thought the portions of the law that governed private property such as lunch counters and movie theaters was wrongly decided.

So he'd support whites-only lunch counters.

195 garhighway  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:40:57am

re: #192 Obdicut

Really?

Redlich Agrees With Rand Paul On Civil Rights Act

Well then.

Seriously, do you ever do any research on these guys?

If he's in the "the right of the lunch counter owner to discriminate trumps the right of the government to prohibit discrimination" camp, then deal me out.

And Stewart will crush him. His team does the research.

196 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:41:33am

re: #192 Obdicut

Really?

Redlich Agrees With Rand Paul On Civil Rights Act

Well then.

Seriously, do you ever do any research on these guys?

You didn't read the whole thing, I take it.

Redlich stressed that he was against discrimination, and noted that he was the only Republican candidate for governor who supported gay marriage. He said that state and local governments should have dealt with the segregation question before the federal government stepped in.

“What should have been done is let’s deal with the state and local discrimination first,” he said. “Once you deal with the state and local discrimination, I don’t know the lunch counter thing was necessary.”

197 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:42:15am

re: #190 iossarian

What does Redlich think of Civil Rights legislation? I wonder...

Libertarian political theory takes a dim view of any legislation interfering or regulating interpersonal transactions, be they social or business. There is also a clear (as expressed from the Pauls on across the whole Libertarian spectrum) resistance to any kind of foreign policy beyond securing the borders - the underlying assumption being that if we don't get involved, we will be left alone to trade with all parties and live our lives (compare this approach with the situation immediately following independence, where the US government left defense of the country's interests abroad to the British and French. Then, the Barbary pirates led to a paradigm shift...). The proven fact that this approach doesn't work, unless you are Switzerland (and even then, results are mixed) does not deter the Libertarian party from having this inward-looking set of planks in their platform year after year.

198 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:42:27am

re: #196 pharmmajor

I did read the whole thing. He's a 'states righter' who apparently doesn't understand that the issue wasn't being dealt with on a local and state level, thus leading to the federal level.

Do you understand that?

199 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:42:37am

re: #194 Obdicut

NY? Fuggedaboutit. Guy couldn't get elected here in Alabama.

200 garhighway  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:42:59am

re: #196 pharmmajor

You didn't read the whole thing, I take it.

And in say, Alabama or Mississippi, the whole "leave it to the state" theory would have resulted in what, exactly?

201 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:43:32am

re: #196 pharmmajor

Are you seriously supporting this guy? "Local and state governments should have taken care of it"?

Yeah, that was really working out well at Ole Miss, wasn't it.

What. A. Tool.

202 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:44:46am

The libertarian thing is so fucking predictable. It's all "cut waste" this and "lower taxes" that, and by the way I support gay marriage.

Then you find out that they're cool with black folks not being allowed to go to law school.

203 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:45:38am

re: #196 pharmmajor

You didn't read the whole thing, I take it...

“What should have been done is let’s deal with the state and local discrimination first,” he said. “Once you deal with the state and local discrimination, I don’t know the lunch counter thing was necessary.”

I suspect that there was a long enough history of certain states NOT DEALING WITH DISCRIMINATION, that provoke the federal government to finally step in... what was Redlich waiting for... the 200 anniversary of the Civil War?

204 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:46:04am

re: #201 iossarian

Are you seriously supporting this guy? "Local and state governments should have taken care of it"?

Yeah, that was really working out well at Ole Miss, wasn't it.

What. A. Tool.

I know this is a point of contention, but if the protests had continued in the segregated south, I think that the states would have eventually ended their discriminatory policies to stop the protests and negative publicity they were receiving. Obviously this is a hypothetical since the federal government did step in, but whose to say that this wouldn't have been the inevitable outcome?

205 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:46:23am

re: #137 Obdicut

For that, you'd have to explain how open displays of sexuality actually hurt children. I think countries where open displays are less taboo generally have less of a problem with sex than we do.

I disagree. Wrong standard to meet. Open displays of sexuality in public interferes with the parents (and society at large) decisions on the timing of this kind of exposure. There are very valid reasons the pron magazine/dvd section is adult only. To say nothing of the (imo) craven and inept lack of child guards on web sites that are adult only.

206 garhighway  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:46:50am

re: #204 pharmmajor

I know this is a point of contention, but if the protests had continued in the segregated south, I think that the states would have eventually ended their discriminatory policies to stop the protests and negative publicity they were receiving. Obviously this is a hypothetical since the federal government did step in, but whose to say that this wouldn't have been the inevitable outcome?

And the 5 or 10 or 20 years of intervening evil would be OK with you?

207 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:46:58am

re: #202 iossarian

The libertarian thing is so fucking predictable. It's all "cut waste" this and "lower taxes" that, and by the way I support gay marriage.

Then you find out that they're cool with black folks not being allowed to go to law school.

On the plus side, at least the Libertarians don't change their message every news cycle to try and get their candidates elected. We need more of that in US politics.

208 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:47:29am

re: #204 pharmmajor

Why do you think that, though?

And why is it better to let black people suffer for longer, rather than fix the problem at a federal level?

Why does Redlich-- and, apparently, you-- think that states have a right to regulate the use of private property that the Federal government doesn't have? Where do you get that from?

209 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:48:21am

re: #204 pharmmajor

I know this is a point of contention, but if the protests had continued in the segregated south, I think that the states would have eventually ended their discriminatory policies to stop the protests and negative publicity they were receiving. Obviously this is a hypothetical since the federal government did step in, but whose to say that this wouldn't have been the inevitable outcome?

"but whose to say that this wouldn't have been the inevitable outcome..." probably... George Wallace for starters... you want I give you a list?

210 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:48:25am

re: #204 pharmmajor

Why should the state governments have done anything? Shouldn't it have been down to the local municipalities?

In fact, screw that, shouldn't the neighborhood associations have been rooting out bigotry?

Wait, wait, that's government encroachment. Every single individual should have been opposing segregation. But not grouping together to do so! That would have reduced their LIBERTY!!!

211 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:49:16am

re: #205 Rightwingconspirator

I disagree. Wrong standard to meet. Open displays of sexuality in public interferes with the parents (and society at large) decisions on the timing of this kind of exposure. .

I understand that's your opinion. I wanted you to support that opinion.

Parents are often useless about decisions about sex, leaving their kids uneducated as hell on the subject. I think we have more of a problem with that than kids being healthily exposed.

212 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:49:35am

The sad part about libertarians is that the guys with the money are laughing all the way to the bank (which is not very far, seeing as they own it).

213 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:49:45am

re: #202 iossarian

The libertarian thing is so fucking predictable. It's all "cut waste" this and "lower taxes" that, and by the way I support gay marriage.

Then you find out that they're cool with black folks not being allowed to go to law school.

Oh that is just low.

214 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:50:13am

re: #204 pharmmajor

I know this is a point of contention, but if the protests had continued in the segregated south, I think that the states would have eventually ended their discriminatory policies to stop the protests and negative publicity they were receiving. Obviously this is a hypothetical since the federal government did step in, but whose to say that this wouldn't have been the inevitable outcome?

Gov George C. Wallace

[Link: www.google.com...]

215 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:51:32am

re: #204 pharmmajor

I know this is a point of contention, but if the protests had continued in the segregated south, I think that the states would have eventually ended their discriminatory policies to stop the protests and negative publicity they were receiving. Obviously this is a hypothetical since the federal government did step in, but whose to say that this wouldn't have been the inevitable outcome?

What you are saying, in essence, is that the existence of de facto and even de jure apartheid States within the Union would have been acceptable for as long as it took for the voters in those States to right the obvious wrongs. How do you justify that, especially in the face of the existence of legal, constitutionally valid processes for eliminating discrimination far sooner? What would this have done to the moral fibre of this country?

216 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:51:42am

re: #208 Obdicut

Why do you think that, though?

And why is it better to let black people suffer for longer, rather than fix the problem at a federal level?

Why does Redlich-- and, apparently, you-- think that states have a right to regulate the use of private property that the Federal government doesn't have? Where do you get that from?

I don't think it was right for any minority to suffer under discrimination; I'm just saying that sometimes you need to keep up the fight to achieve victory rather than have an outside entity force a resolution on you. The Civil Rights Act didn't immediately end racial discrimination when it was enacted.

As for where I get the thought that states have a right to regulate the use of private property, that's a little thing called the 10th Amendment.

217 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:53:49am

re: #215 imp_62

used strikethrough when I meant to use italics. Yes, more coffee over here, please.

218 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:54:00am

re: #215 imp_62

What you are saying, in essence, is that the existence of de facto and even de jure apartheid States within the Union would have been acceptable for as long as it took for the voters in those States to right the obvious wrongs. How do you justify that, especially in the face of the existence of legal, constitutionally valid processes for eliminating discrimination far sooner? What would this have done to the moral fibre of this country?

No, it would not have been acceptable. It would have been deplorable. But did the Civil Rights Act fix every problem it was meant to address? Wouldn't it have made more sense to work in unison with the states to rectify their problems rather than passing a sweeping law that didn't address every issue?

219 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:54:17am

re: #213 pharmmajor

Oh that is just low.

Please point out the factual inaccuracy in what I said. Would Redlich oppose the right of a private law school to deny access to black students?

Or does he think that the state should provide open-access law schools so that black kids can grow up to be lawyers some day?

220 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:54:19am

re: #216 pharmmajor

I don't think it was right for any minority to suffer under discrimination; I'm just saying that sometimes you need to keep up the fight to achieve victory rather than have an outside entity force a resolution on you

The federal government isn't an outside entity.

The Civil Rights Act didn't immediately end racial discrimination when it was enacted.

Nor did it claim it would. Seriously, dude, that's a pathetic argument.

As for where I get the thought that states have a right to regulate the use of private property, that's a little thing called the 10th Amendment.

Ah, a tenther. So you believe that the states have complete rights to regulate private property? There are no private property rights except what are allowed by the individual states?

221 garhighway  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:54:20am

Here's the guy you would entrust civil rights in the South to. It's only two minutes of audio. He won his elections with big margins.

[Link: www.history.com...]

222 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:54:26am

re: #207 imp_62

On the plus side, at least the Libertarians don't change their message every news cycle to try and get their candidates elected. We need more of that in US politics.

Yeah, they haven't changed since 1940 or so, when New-Deal hating right-wingers led the ill-fated (by Pearl Harbor) America First Movement. Like today's libertarians, they even had lefties on board until Hitler invaded the Soviet Union.

223 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:55:01am

re: #218 pharmmajor

Wouldn't it have made more sense to work in unison with the states to rectify their problems rather than passing a sweeping law that didn't address every issue?

How would this process actually work? Describe it, please.

224 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:55:06am

re: #216 pharmmajor

I don't think it was right for any minority to suffer under discrimination; I'm just saying that sometimes you need to keep up the fight to achieve victory rather than have an outside entity force a resolution on you. The Civil Rights Act didn't immediately end racial discrimination when it was enacted.

As for where I get the thought that states have a right to regulate the use of private property, that's a little thing called the 10th Amendment.

Ouch, careful with the secessionist rhetoric. The federal government is not an "outside entity". Nor is the SCOTUS.

225 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:55:59am

re: #221 garhighway

Here's the guy you would entrust civil rights in the South to. It's only two minutes of audio. He won his elections with big margins.

[Link: www.history.com...]

Popular fellow. A street here in town and the local community college are named for him.

226 garhighway  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:57:44am

re: #218 pharmmajor

No, it would not have been acceptable. It would have been deplorable. But did the Civil Rights Act fix every problem it was meant to address? Is that the right standard? I don't think so. Wouldn't it have made more sense to work in unison with the states to rectify their problems rather than passing a sweeping law that didn't address every issue? That would have been like working in unison with the Nazis to rectify their treatment of the Jews.

I know it hurts to think it, but there really is a role for the Federal government in issues like these. The Tenth doesn't do what you think it does.

227 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:58:00am

re: #211 Obdicut

Inept parents are why we have sex education in schools. Now I do not have time to dig up the studies, but sexual education does not happen in grade school. Sexual anatomy comes up, but not adult sex acts. I suspect there are good studies by education experts that chose the age timing. I'm at work so I can't dig too hard. I would not want to link a bad study after a quick skim.

228 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:59:07am

re: #218 pharmmajor

No, it would not have been acceptable. It would have been deplorable. But did the Civil Rights Act fix every problem it was meant to address? Wouldn't it have made more sense to work in unison with the states to rectify their problems rather than passing a sweeping law that didn't address every issue?

I think the point is that the States had already done what they were going to do within acceptable time frames. The civil rights situation had exceeded the bounds of "working in unison" to rectify the legal issues. The nation as a whole, operating - as it does, legally - through the federal government, had a right and obligation to intervene.

If you have a problem with the vast scope of things the federal government has decided to take responsibility for, you should probably start be advocating state supremacy for issues other than those clearly impacting the welfare of the union as a whole.

229 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:59:32am

re: #227 Rightwingconspirator

Child education is my field, and I have never seen any credible research saying that public displays of sexuality have a negative effect on kids. What does have a terrible, terrible effect on kids is parental display of negative sexuality-- inconsistent partners, fighting with sexual partners, and, of course, painting sexuality in a negative fashion.

Kids filter information; parents have a special line to it.

230 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:02:29am

Back for a few. How is everyone?

231 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:02:59am

re: #229 Obdicut

Oh, and demeaning sexual partners, forgot about that one. Children raised in a household where women are regularly demeaned grow up more likely to condone violence towards women and more likely to, if they're female, have sex at an early age and not use protection.

232 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:03:10am

re: #230 NJDhockeyfan

Back for a few. How is everyone?

Getting our first frost tonight. Should be a great maple syrup season.

233 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:04:12am

Duty calls, and she hates it when I don't answer. BBL

234 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:04:41am

re: #233 Decatur Deb

Duty calls, and she hates it when I don't answer. BBL

Toodles. See ya later.

235 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:05:40am

re: #232 imp_62

Getting our first frost tonight. Should be a great maple syrup season.

That's great. I don't think we are getting that cold yet. Bring it on I say!

236 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:09:22am

Obama Loses Support in Poll as Joblessness Prompts Growing U.S. Discontent

Hope has turned to doubt and disenchantment for almost half of President Barack Obama’s supporters.

More than 4 of 10 likely voters who say they once considered themselves Obama backers now are either less supportive or say they no longer support him at all, according to a Bloomberg National Poll conducted Oct. 7-10.

That Hopey-Change thing has lost it's power.

237 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:10:21am

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

That's great. I don't think we are getting that cold yet. Bring it on I say!

Hell, yes. Where is the outdoor NHL game this year, btw?

238 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:11:40am

re: #237 imp_62

Heinz Field.

239 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:12:20am

re: #238 lawhawk

Heinz Field.

You going?

240 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:14:39am

re: #239 imp_62

Nope... but I will watch on tv

241 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:15:52am

the process for challenging the constitutionality of a law already exists in the united states, and it involves bringing a case involving it before the supreme court. any given law is in effect constitutional unless and until it has been declared unconstitutional by all courts that the issue has been ruled on by

it's healthy, i think, that so many americans are taking an increased interest in the constitution, but they need to learn that it takes a lot more than some argument that they have come up with to prove that something is not constitutional

don't you know that every day lawyers on opposing sides of any number of issues come up with wonderfully convincing arguments "proving" that they are correct?

242 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:16:12am

re: #237 imp_62

Hell, yes. Where is the outdoor NHL game this year, btw?

From NHL.com:

On Jan. 1, NBC Sports in the U.S. and CBC and RDS in Canada again will televise the 2011 Bridgestone NHL Winter Classic® -- the event Forbes magazine calls "the best new sporting event" of the last decade. Sidney Crosby and the Pittsburgh Penguins will battle Alex Ovechkin and the Washington Capitals at Heinz Field, home of the Steelers, at 1 p.m. ET. The NHL's fiercest rivalry will be re-ignited in this special wintery setting.

Sounds like a good one.

243 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:16:49am

re: #241 engineer dog

the process for challenging the constitutionality of a law already exists in the united states, and it involves bringing a case involving it before the supreme court. any given law is in effect constitutional unless and until it has been declared unconstitutional by all courts that the issue has been ruled on by

it's healthy, i think, that so many americans are taking an increased interest in the constitution, but they need to learn that it takes a lot more than some argument that they have come up with to prove that something is not constitutional

don't you know that every day lawyers on opposing sides of any number of issues come up with wonderfully convincing arguments "proving" that they are correct?

A well reasoned statement. To what are you replying?

244 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:17:39am

re: #242 NJDhockeyfan

re: #238 lawhawk

They will get more spectators for this than they ever do for the lowly Pirates

245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:20:08am

re: #238 lawhawk

When do the Florida Panthers get this game? The NHL discriminates against the South, if you ask me.

246 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:20:21am

Hey, Rich Iott, the Nazi dress-up guy running for congress, knows a Jew so everything's cool now.


Oct 11, 2010
I have known and worked closely with Rich Iott for many years.

First things first; Rich Iott is one of the most pro-Jewish, pro-Israel people I know.

We are business partners and very close personal friends. One of the first things I explained to Rich when we started working together was that I don’t work on Shabbat – the Jewish Sabbath. He said, "That’s great, I’m glad you take a break every week and spend quality time with your family!"


Iott went on to invite this person to a role-playing weekend...said it would "be a gas"...

Between Iott's "I know a Jew" and Paladino's "I've got a gay nephew who claims his homosexuality isn't a choice" it's no wonder people think America's political landscape is fucked up.

247 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:20:29am

More than 4 of 10 likely voters who say they once considered themselves

i remember so well when reagan was in the same place in 1982 and when clinton was there in 1994. they were both declared 'one term presidents' at that time

this is getting to be a regular thing in american politics

248 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:22:47am

re: #245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When hell freezes over? /

Speaking of weather and sports, why is it that the NFL still thinks that they should hold the Super Bowl in a dome or warm weather stadium, when some of the most famous and memorable games were played in winter weather conditions. The Super Bowl at the new Meadowlands stadium in 2014 is the exception, not the rule, and I think the game should be played at all the stadiums, not just the warm weather ones...

249 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:24:49am

re: #245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When do the Florida Panthers get this game? The NHL discriminates against the South, if you ask me.

Imagine making outdoor ice in Florida on New Year's day lol.

250 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:26:14am

re: #248 lawhawk

When hell freezes over? /

Speaking of weather and sports, why is it that the NFL still thinks that they should hold the Super Bowl in a dome or warm weather stadium, when some of the most famous and memorable games were played in winter weather conditions. The Super Bowl at the new Meadowlands stadium in 2014 is the exception, not the rule, and I think the game should be played at all the stadiums, not just the warm weather ones...

I agree as a sportsfan. As a potential spectator, though, why would I want to freeze my nuts off in Jersey, when I could be in San Diego or Miami?

251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:26:26am

re: #248 lawhawk

The Ice Bowl.

'Nuff Said.

252 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:26:49am

re: #243 imp_62

A well reasoned statement. To what are you replying?

specifically

re: #216 pharmmajor

but more generally adressing the entire tea party wishing i could grab them by the lapels and get a word in edgewise

253 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:27:58am

re: #250 imp_62

I agree as a sportsfan. As a potential spectator, though, why would I want to freeze my nuts off in Jersey, when I could be in San Diego or Miami?

For the same reason that all the playoff games up to the Super Bowl are played in cold weather - it's a cold weather sport.

254 Yashmak  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:30:10am

At this point, it's gonna take one heck of a shift to get Paladino elected, fortunately. He's at ~19% behind Cuomo.

255 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:30:12am

Letter to the editor PWNS Meg Whitman:

How to stand by your nanny

In response to the letter from Margie Fraiser (Letters, Oct. 10), I will tell you what I would have done differently -- what I did. I hired a nanny through the same agency as Meg Whitman. My nanny presented a Social Security card and California driver's license. Six years later, I learned that my nanny was here illegally. We stood by her. We appeared in court on her behalf and, when she was able to obtain the right to work in the United States legally, we rehired her. That's how you treat someone who is "like a member of the family." Whether Meg Whitman learned that her housekeeper was here illegally in 2003 or 2009, couldn't she have shown some compassion for the woman?

Shawn Lampron
Los Altos


(source: San Jose Mercury News)

256 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:30:43am

re: #247 engineer dog

More than 4 of 10 likely voters who say they once considered themselves

i remember so well when reagan was in the same place in 1982 and when clinton was there in 1994. they were both declared 'one term presidents' at that time

this is getting to be a regular thing in american politics

I don't recall Reagan or Clinton having to 'get out of the fetal position'. Did the WH have a Jim Bakker moment?

257 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:33:13am

re: #248 lawhawk

When hell freezes over? /

Speaking of weather and sports, why is it that the NFL still thinks that they should hold the Super Bowl in a dome or warm weather stadium, when some of the most famous and memorable games were played in winter weather conditions. The Super Bowl at the new Meadowlands stadium in 2014 is the exception, not the rule, and I think the game should be played at all the stadiums, not just the warm weather ones...

I miss watching the cold snowy muddy games from Minnesota back in the 70s. Those were exciting to see. Dome games are just not the same.

258 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:34:48am

re: #252 engineer dog

specifically

re: #216 pharmmajor

but more generally adressing the entire tea party wishing i could grab them by the lapels and get a word in edgewise

Found this for you:

Youtube Video
259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:35:20am

re: #257 NJDhockeyfan

I miss watching the cold snowy muddy games from Minnesota back in the 70s. Those were exciting to see. Dome games are just not the same.


Of course, I watch them from my living room... with the heat on.

260 joest73  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:36:34am

re: #256 NJDhockeyfan

I don't recall Reagan or Clinton having to 'get out of the fetal position'. Did the WH have a Jim Bakker moment?

The attempted Chamber of Commerce message is/was a complete sign of desperation. Let them keep whistling past the graveyard.....

261 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:38:35am

re: #246 darthstar

Comedy detail: it turns out that Iott's Jewish friend is involved in the making of softcore teen sex comedies, and that Iott himself is something of a Hollywood player, which is not something he was trumpeting on his campaign website.

Possibly not the character reference he had in mind.

262 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:38:36am

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Of course, I watch them from my living room... with the heat on.

Of course. I've been to cold games at Giants stadium. We snuck in enough liquor to keep us warm. The Giant's/Jets game in 1988 (89?) was very exciting and the wind & snow didn't matter.

263 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:39:37am

re: #261 iossarian

Comedy detail: it turns out that Iott's Jewish friend is involved in the making of softcore teen sex comedies, and that Iott himself is something of a Hollywood player, which is not something he was trumpeting on his campaign website.

Possibly not the character reference he had in mind.

As long as there is a kosher food table on the set; all that hanky panky can get a kid hungry. "Eat, eat".

264 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:40:22am

re: #261 iossarian

Comedy detail: it turns out that Iott's Jewish friend is involved in the making of softcore teen sex comedies, and that Iott himself is something of a Hollywood player, which is not something he was trumpeting on his campaign website.

Possibly not the character reference he had in mind.

Are you saying that Gabai is not a character? I beg to differ.

265 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:41:36am

Walter, are you still here?

266 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:42:18am

Police look for link between C4 explosives in Manhattan cemetery and bizarre note found nearby

A cemetery caretaker found several pounds of military-grade plastic explosives buried in a historic East Village boneyard, cops announced Monday.

They were looking into a possible connection to a bizarre note left with cops that was signed "Jesus," and a chalked note on the sidewalk in front of the cemetery.

There was no blasting cap or detonator found with the lethal munitions - formally known as Composition 4 - meaning there was no way to detonate the explosives, which had likely been there for years.

"But it's still C-4, so it's being taken very seriously," a police source said.

267 Slap  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:42:21am

re: #253 lawhawk

- it's a cold weather sport.

Truth!

A big part of the joy of watching football is observing how players/teams react/respond to the changing conditions in tough weather (last night's game is a good example...!). This is not a cushy sport, after all.... The decision to play a cold weather SB is one of the best pro sports decisions I've seen in my lifetime -- right up there with outdoor hockey. These games developed in wintertime.

And one of the great sports stories ever is the tale of the Giants, ice and tennis shoes....(NFL.com is behaving oddly, so I'm unable to name the year....)

Wouldn't have happened in Pasadena.....

268 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:43:54am

re: #267 Slap

Truth!

A big part of the joy of watching football is observing how players/teams react/respond to the changing conditions in tough weather (last night's game is a good example...!). This is not a cushy sport, after all... The decision to play a cold weather SB is one of the best pro sports decisions I've seen in my lifetime -- right up there with outdoor hockey. These games developed in wintertime.

And one of the great sports stories ever is the tale of the Giants, ice and tennis shoes...(NFL.com is behaving oddly, so I'm unable to name the year...)

Wouldn't have happened in Pasadena...

I once watched a game at the old Foxboro in the snow. I was so effing cold and my ass was frozen to the metal bench, all for the pleasure of watching Steve Grogan....

269 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:44:00am

re: #267 Slap

Truth!

A big part of the joy of watching football is observing how players/teams react/respond to the changing conditions in tough weather (last night's game is a good example...!). This is not a cushy sport, after all... The decision to play a cold weather SB is one of the best pro sports decisions I've seen in my lifetime -- right up there with outdoor hockey. These games developed in wintertime.

And one of the great sports stories ever is the tale of the Giants, ice and tennis shoes...(NFL.com is behaving oddly, so I'm unable to name the year...)

Wouldn't have happened in Pasadena...

Buffalo has some of the greatest snowy games I have ever seen.

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:45:34am

On topic? I would not take my children to a gay pride parade.

If I happened upon one with my kids (of course they're old now) I wouldn't shield them from it either.

But, I wouldn't actively seek one out to take my kids.

I wouldn't call someone out who did, tho.

271 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:46:51am

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

On topic? I would not take my children to a gay pride parade.

If I happened upon one with my kids (of course they're old now) I wouldn't shield them from it either.

But, I wouldn't actively seek one out to take my kids.

I wouldn't call someone out who did, tho.

I'd take children to a Pride parade...Folsom Street Fair, maybe not, but those are two entirely different types of events.

272 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:47:14am

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

More or less in the same position as you.

For much the same reasons, I also flip the channel when we're watching football and the commercials come on.

273 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:48:34am

re: #231 Obdicut

Agreed, & in addition public life (media) abounds with really bad examples. Forget pron, you got TV dramas.

274 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:48:43am

re: #271 darthstar

I'd take children to a Pride parade...Folsom Street Fair, maybe not, but those are two entirely different types of events.

I never been to either one and I have no interest in going to them either.

275 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:49:26am

re: #273 Rightwingconspirator

Almost no characters on TV or in movies bother to practice safe sex.

276 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:49:51am

re: #267 Slap

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

2. Sneaker Game: Bears at Giants, Dec. 9, 1934
In the days before modern shoe technology, these two titans slipped around on a sheet of ice at the New York Polo Grounds. The Giants were trailing the Bears, 10-3, when end Ray Flaherty suggested that sneakers would provide better traction. Giants coach Steve Owen then ordered his equipment manager to get sneakers. The manager returned with the sneakers, the Giants made the switch, and eventually scored 27 second-half points to win, 30-13. Amazingly, two decades later, in 1956, the Giants would again use sneakers to defeat the cleat-clad Bears on the icy Polo Grounds, 47-7.

277 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:49:51am

re: #272 iossarian

More or less in the same position as you.

For much the same reasons, I also flip the channel when we're watching football and the commercials come on.

I DVR the games I want to watch and wait an hour to watch them. I get to FF through the commercials.

278 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:50:43am

re: #266 NJDhockeyfan

Jesus is coming back and this time he's pissed.

279 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:50:47am

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan

I DVR the games I want to watch and wait an hour to watch them. I get to FF through the commercials.

I watch it live or I don't watch it at all.

280 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:51:04am

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan

This is also my preferred method for all but the most crucial of games (those I have to watch live, in order to influence proceedings via mental energy).

281 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:52:06am

re: #278 RogueOne

Jesus is coming back and this time he's pissed.

And he don't look like Ted Nugent...
-Robin Williams

282 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:52:16am

re: #255 darthstar

How to stand by the help and never get elected to public office.

283 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:52:38am

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

On topic? I would not take my children to a gay pride parade.

If I happened upon one with my kids (of course they're old now) I wouldn't shield them from it either.

But, I wouldn't actively seek one out to take my kids.

I wouldn't call someone out who did, tho.

What about people who think parades in general are gay?

284 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:53:24am

re: #280 iossarian

This is also my preferred method for all but the most crucial of games (those I have to watch live, in order to influence proceedings via mental energy).

My new Cowboy's lucky jersey didn't work last weekend. I need a new one now.

285 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:53:57am

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

On topic? I would not take my children to a gay pride parade.

If I happened upon one with my kids (of course they're old now) I wouldn't shield them from it either.

But, I wouldn't actively seek one out to take my kids.

I wouldn't call someone out who did, tho.

I have no interest in attending parades, gay pride or other - I hate crowds. But my attitude is still the same as I expressed to my sister when she came out and wanted me to actively validate her homosexuality. I told her that I wanted her to be happy, that her sexuality was her business, and that I would always be there for her. I smoothed the road with my parents. But honestly, it is none of my business who she has sex with. I am as disinterested in other people's homosexuality as I am in their heterosexuality.

My daughter is in college and has told us she thinks she might be gay. My response? Hon, whatever is natural for you - just get the grades you need to get into grad school and don't associate with people who take advantage of you. Bottom line is, I don't see the big deal, the law should provide equal marriage rights for all, and nobody is forcing any Church or Synagogue to perform religious ceremonies for gay couples. Like engineer dog, I want to grab people by the lapels, shake them and yell: "it's none of your fucking business and does not affect you!!!!. Holier-than-thou religious and political cretins piss me off.

286 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:54:22am

re: #256 NJDhockeyfan

I don't recall Reagan or Clinton having to 'get out of the fetal position'. Did the WH have a Jim Bakker moment?


curiously, the article you cite, actually, details the difference between reagan and clinton cluelessly getting sucker punched by their first midterms and obama getting on the stick and doing something about it

warning: the future isn't over yet

287 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:54:28am

re: #283 RogueOne

What about people who think parades in general are gay?

Who says that? The Irish parade in NYC is awesome and so is the Macy's Thanksgiving parade.

288 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:55:05am

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just not a kid friendly event. It just isn't. Neither are drunken street parties. As Obdicut correctly pointed out.

289 Lidane  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:55:40am

re: #227 Rightwingconspirator

Inept parents are why we have sex education in schools.

Pretty much. I can tell you with absolute certainty that if I hadn't had some sort of sex education in school, I wouldn't have learned anything at home at all.

My mom's idea of sex ed was giving me some pamphlets from the doctor and buying me pads when I got my first period, and telling me that sex before marriage was wrong, so I shouldn't do it. That was it. I had to figure everything else out on my own.

290 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:55:46am

re: #283 RogueOne

What about people who think parades in general are gay?

I updinged you for the sentiment - but note how you used the word "gay" - usage is part of the bias problem.

291 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:56:08am

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

Who says that? The Irish parade in NYC is awesome and so is the Macy's Thanksgiving parade.

I'm not stupid. Those irish are brainwashing you with alcohol. Next thing you know they're going to want to take you out in the woods to go "fishing".

292 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:57:25am

re: #290 imp_62

I updinged you for the sentiment - but note how you used the word "gay" - usage is part of the bias problem.

Gay no longer means "homosexual". Welcome to the 21st century grandpa.////

293 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:57:32am

re: #291 RogueOne

I'm not stupid. Those irish are brainwashing you with alcohol. Next thing you know they're going to want to take you out in the woods to go "fishing".

My Irish grandmother never told me about that.

294 Jadespring  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:58:21am

Heck forget just attending one. I've actually been in one as an ally. It was great fun. A big giant street party. Lots of kids watching too.

Guess there are thousands of 'bad' parents out there. //

295 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:58:59am

re: #292 RogueOne

Gay no longer means "homosexual". Welcome to the 21st century grandpa.///

On the contrary. It didn't used to mean "homosexual". Now it does, and using it in a pejorative way is akin to saying, for instance, that you were "jewed down" on a price.

296 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:00:17am

On to the next thread. Let's see what the global warming deniers have to say.

297 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:01:54am

This thread is starting to lock up on me.

298 Slap  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:02:18am

re: #284 NJDhockeyfan

You may need to wait until they get a new coach....

299 garhighway  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:03:25am

re: #283 RogueOne

What about people who think parades in general are gay?

What about people who use the word "gay" as a pejorative?

300 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:04:04am

re: #298 Slap

You may need to wait until they get a new coach...

Maybe they can trade him with his father. Bum Phillips would look great on the sidelines with his big cowboy hat.

301 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:04:38am

re: #299 garhighway

What about people who use the word "gay" as a pejorative?

Are you offended by that?

302 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:05:06am

re: #299 garhighway

What about people who use the word "gay" as a pejorative?

Same kind of people who use "Jew" as a pejorative.

303 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:06:56am

re: #299 garhighway

What about people who use the word "gay" as a pejorative?

Those people probably ride harleys.

304 garhighway  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:10:06am

re: #302 Obdicut

Same kind of people who use "Jew" as a pejorative.

Exactly.

305 Slap  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:29:21am

re: #300 NJDhockeyfan

Frankly, I think George Halas (in his current condition) could probably do a better job of coaching.

I'm definitely no Cowboy fan (a long story that involves '70s HS football in Texas, the FCA, Saint Landry and his 22 padded disciples....) -- but I AM a football fan, and I find it sad that a team with so many talented players can't bring themselves to be a cohesive team.

Ownership and coaching are failing the cowboy fans. big time. I feel for ya.

306 Petero1818  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 7:26:16pm

“I don’t think it’s proper for them to go there and watch a couple of grown men grind against each other. I don’t think that’s proper. I think it’s disgusting.”.....But it is totally proper for someone in the construction industry to distribute emails with bestiality photos...because ...that is of course not disgusting.

307 donna quixote  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 8:10:52pm

Religion has nothing to do with my feeling that some of the participants are truly disgusting.

308 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:58:44pm

re: #88 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good pitching always beats good hitting. One of the best games I ever saw live ended 1-0.

If that's true, why did the Maddux-Smoltz-Glavine Braves win all of one World Series?

"Good pitching always beats good hitting" is one of those nonsensical baseball truisms because it's always applied in hindsight. Team A beats Team B, "therefore" they had the better pitching. Nobody ever considers that Team a might have had the better hitting, too.

309 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:16:03pm

re: #251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Ice Bowl.

'Nuff Said.

Or the Freezer Bowl (Chargers at Bengals, January 1982), with its -55 F. wind chill. My father was a Bengal season ticket holder, and my mother was aghast when he said he was going to the game. Dad put on about 7 layers of clothes, took a big flask of "quality spirits", and survived.


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