The NYT’s ‘Softball Profile’ of Pamela Geller

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Salon’s Justin Elliott says the New York Times did a softball profile of hate monger Pamela Geller, and he’s right.

I wouldn’t call it a “puff piece,” exactly, but it’s another example of “magical balance fairy” journalism — lacking quite a bit of context about Geller’s more extreme statements and associations. They went way too easy on Geller, who earned the web nickname “shrieking harpy” with years of whacked out, hateful posts, often supporting and glorifying people who can only be described as white supremacists and genocidal war criminals.

The Times story exhibits some of the worst tendencies of objectivity journalism. The reporters, Anne Barnard and Alan Feuer, do a middling job laying out some of the outrageous, and racist, things that Geller has written (though they miss a lot too — more on this below). But in their quest for even-handedness where even-handedness is not really appropriate, the reader gets gobbledygook lines like this:

The outrageous and the solemn are deeply intertwined in her character.

And this:

But if many people have a general unease over the idea of a mosque downtown, Ms. Geller has provided a vocabulary to express it and a framework to understand it: worries about Islam.

The reader is also subjected to a lot of tip-toeing around important facts:

Operating largely outside traditional Washington power centers — and, for better or worse, without traditional academic, public-policy or journalism credentials — Ms. Geller, with a coterie of allies, has helped set the tone and shape the narrative for a divisive national debate over Park51 (she calls the developer a “thug” and a “lowlife”).

All of that is true — Geller is neither a journalist nor a scholar nor a Washington insider. But none of that is as relevant as the fact that goes unmentioned by the Times: she is a conspiracy theorist, one with a long record of making demonstrably false statements. The best example, which is conspicuously missing from the Times piece, is the time Geller wrote a lengthy post laying out her theory that Barack Obama’s real father is Malcolm X.

(Geller also believes Obama’s birth documents are forged. She regularly speculates that he is Muslim.)

Recently, after being soundly mocked by the blogosphere, Pamela Geller has developed an excuse for her ludicrous “Malcolm X was Obama’s daddy” post; she now claims she wasn’t the writer of the post (although she didn’t credit anyone else when it first appeared), and she only posted it because she thought the author made some other excellent points. She praises it as a “spectacular job.”

Here’s the post at her hate site: HOW COULD STANLEY ANN DUNHAM HAVE DELIVERED BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA JR. IN AUGUST OF 1961 IN HONOLULU, WHEN OFFICIAL UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON RECORDS SHOW HER 2680 MILES AWAY IN SEATTLE ATTENDING CLASSES THAT SAME MONTH? - Atlas Shrugs.

As you might be able to tell from the all-caps title, it’s a rambling, deranged Birther conspiracy theory, it’s thoroughly nuts, and it’s very long. Geller marked it up with bold, red, and different sized text, and included dozens of pictures. The page is about 3.5 megabytes in size. It’s huge. It took quite a bit of work to post.

But even if you take Geller’s laughable excuse at face value and forget about the claim that Barack Obama is Malcolm X’s love child, the rest of this “anonymous author’s” psychotic rant is every bit as bad. What part of this ugly mess is supposed to be a “spectacular job?”

And that’s just one post.

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254 comments
1 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:42:29pm
This is the first entry tagged: Magical Balance Fairy

Oh, frabjous day!

2 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:49:12pm

Let's also mention that post about how the Chinese were coming to take our houses through eminent domain, which she cribbed from infamous neo nazi and white supremacist, Hal Turner.

The Shrieking Harpy was one of the bloggers I mentioned in this post :

[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

3 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:49:50pm

Must be some kind of Islamist Conspiracy the she rages on about.

4 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:51:50pm

There's no way that the Birther post was written by anyone other than Geller. It matches the form and style of her other postings, just a whole lot longer and more tedious.

If she didn't write it, and claims someone else did, she's still hosting it and treating it as hers. No bylines, no attributions to the contrary. She wrote it. She owns it - and all the scorn and derision that should come with it.

re: #2 Thanos

That would be the same Hal Turner who was convicted of threatening federal judges.

5 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:53:04pm

I was thinking about what kind of article it would take to do justice to the topic of Geller. It would be horrible to write, and horrible to read. I think Cormac McCarthy could do it justice. Or Stephen King.

6 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:54:05pm

re: #4 lawhawk

There's no way that the Birther post was written by anyone other than Geller. It matches the form and style of her other postings, just a whole lot longer and more tedious.

If she didn't write it, and claims someone else did, she's still hosting it and treating it as hers. No bylines, no attributions to the contrary. She wrote it. She owns it - and all the scorn and derision that should come with it.

That would be the same Hal Turner who was convicted of threatening federal judges.

That would indeed be he.

7 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:54:59pm

You'd think it would be, like, totally impossible for a pregnant woman to enroll in college and take off a few weeks to give birth and then return to class.

I don't know how I was able to do it. Twice in fact.

(Of course this was in the 1980's)

8 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:56:54pm

Geller is a bigot of the highest order- no more, no less.

In no uncertain terms, she believes she can pass judgement on who and who does not qualify as a good and 'real American'.

That irony is stunning.

9 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:59:11pm

Thankfully, Charles, we have people like you to cut through the softball bull and provide a real expose on freaks like Geller.

10 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 12:59:23pm

re: #4 lawhawk

There's no way that the Birther post was written by anyone other than Geller. It matches the form and style of her other postings, just a whole lot longer and more tedious.

I agree, but since I can't actually prove she wrote it, I have to maintain my magical balance.

Even though I've rarely seen such an obvious, in your face lie.

11 Nick Schroeder  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:01:02pm

The truly sad thing in all of this is that we, as a society, have paid attention to her at all. In a magical world where people weren't idiots, her idiotic, raving website would have been shut down (by her) after two months due to lack of interest, when anybody who landed on it had the same instantaneous reaction as one does to the crazy guy on the street corner proclaiming he's the second coming of Jesus Christ. Then, there wouldn't be a need for people with sense to point our her idiocy, or 'Fox News Jr.' type pieces of journalism taking her on with kid gloves in the interest of being 'fair and balanced'.

12 mikefromArlington  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:01:17pm

There was a protest at a Muslim event in DC this past week.
[Link: www.christiannewswire.com...]

I'm pretty sure I saw the harpy in the crowd. That was on the news as was the right wing VA tea party event.

These bozo's are flooding local news rooms with their events making it appear as though these events are more accepted and common than they really are.

13 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:01:29pm

If someone gently cruised along in a sailboat at four knots, they'd cover 3,314 miles in a month.

So not only is this possible, it was possible to do back in 1661.

14 Slap  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:01:30pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

Harlan Ellison. No one has quite the same flair for literate invective, imho.

15 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:01:51pm

The most pathetic thing is that every week seriously deranged and nutball lies get posted. There's not any need to dig for them.

I remember her series of posts that were both Paean and Eulogy for the white supremacist Neo Nazi Terreblanche in South Africa, I remember all her posts defending Filip DeWinter and Vlaams Belang, I remember her attacking prominent European journalists, and I remember her attacking Charles outrageously for simply asking questions about some of those in attendance at the anti-jihad conference in Europe.

16 theheat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:02:41pm

if I write an outrageous blog, will it pay for new boobs? I didn't know it was so simple.

17 MinisterO  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:04:07pm
The outrageous and the solemn are deeply intertwined in her character.

I couldn't finish reading it because of crap like this.

18 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:04:23pm

re: #14 Slap

Harlan Ellison. No one has quite the same flair for literate invective, imho.

Yes, Harlan would get it done right.

19 theheat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:04:23pm

re: #8 researchok

What's more stunning, is the last GOP VP candidate did the same thing, and still is.

20 SteelGHAZI  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:04:50pm

Out of the twenty-three years I've been on this earth, Geller has got to be one of the vile, hateful, psychotic, neurotic, just plain evil people I have ever had the unpleasant "honor" of witnessing.
It baffles me how someone can be so consumed by rage like this, to the point of hallucination(seeing Muslims everywhere). This woman is in serious need of professional help.

21 garhighway  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:05:16pm

The Sunday Times was a weird deal this Sunday, with profiles of Geller and Ann Coulter.

Very difficult to explain.

22 jaunte  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:05:54pm

re: #17 MinisterO

I admit that I totally missed the 'solemn' part.

23 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:06:24pm
As you might be able to tell from the all-caps title, it’s a rambling, deranged Birther conspiracy theory, it’s thoroughly nuts, and it’s very long. Geller marked it up with bold, red, and different sized text, and included dozens of pictures. The page is about 3.5 megabytes in size. It’s huge. It took quite a bit of work to post.

Because we know that when you use several different font sizes and colors, you must be very, very serious.

Or fucking whacked.

Great website here that mocks font problems and bad artwork on sci fi novels.

24 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:06:53pm

re: #16 theheat

if I write an outrageous blog, will it pay for new boobs? I didn't know it was so simple.

Oh Oh Oh! I want to try!

25 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:07:17pm

re: #9 pharmmajor

Thankfully, Charles, we have people like you to cut through the softball bull and provide a real expose on freaks like Geller.

And real freaks like Wayne Allyn Root, who tries to cast doubt on whether Obama was actually at Columbia, and, if so, if he was just involved in radical black politics 24/7.

[Link: reason.com...]

That'd be Wayne Allen Root, the VP on the Libertarian Party ticket in 2008.

26 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:08:16pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

I was thinking about what kind of article it would take to do justice to the topic of Geller. It would be horrible to write, and horrible to read. I think Cormac McCarthy could do it justice. Or Stephen King.

William S. Burroughs is more like it.


Speaking of crazy birthers, now they want a presidential DNA sample. (insert Clinton joke here)

27 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:08:39pm

re: #19 theheat

What's more stunning, is the last GOP VP candidate did the same thing, and still is.

No, it's not the same thing.

Unless you believe everyone who disagrees with some Dem policies is a bigot.

28 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:09:01pm

re: #14 Slap

Harlan Ellison. No one has quite the same flair for literate invective, imho.

Read his story about the guy who got thrown from a balcony.

29 theheat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:12:02pm

re: #27 researchok

If you recall, Sarah Palin defined Real Americans™ and was a lot closer to the White House than the shrieking harpy. She also was one of the most vocal opponents of the Cordoba/Park 51 project, and had a klukker supporter edit her book. As a darling of the tea party movement, she's virtually surrounded by haters and bigots.

Yeah, it's the same thing. Yes, it is. Geller happens to be more revolting only because she's even ruder.

30 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:14:29pm

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - severed head of the Mexican investigator into the disappearance of a Texan,David Michael Hartley, on Falcon Lake was delivered to Mexican authorities according to a Texas Rep. Aaron Pena.

Mexican authorities have no information. The Rep. says that he confirmed the information with the Zapata County Sheriff (who's heading the US investigation into the disappearance).

What the heck is going on down there?

31 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:14:47pm

That Malcolm X post is worth preserving as an example of---something. I think she learned a thing or two from Fjordman. No, just one thing: stultifying length. The hope of obscuring one's lack of a point by burying the big nothing in a huge, tremendous, utterly tl;dr pile of little nothings.

32 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:16:15pm

re: #30 lawhawk


What the heck is going on down there?


They're making the drugs that we consume, and killing each other in the process.

33 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:16:22pm

re: #30 lawhawk

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - severed head of the Mexican investigator into the disappearance of a Texan,David Michael Hartley, on Falcon Lake was delivered to Mexican authorities according to a Texas Rep. Aaron Pena.

Mexican authorities have no information. The Rep. says that he confirmed the information with the Zapata County Sheriff (who's heading the US investigation into the disappearance).

What the heck is going on down there?

That's the sheriff who "spoke with the Zetas" to ask for demand Hartley's body back. I don't trust him.

34 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:17:07pm

re: #30 lawhawk

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - severed head of the Mexican investigator into the disappearance of a Texan,David Michael Hartley, on Falcon Lake was delivered to Mexican authorities according to a Texas Rep. Aaron Pena.

Mexican authorities have no information. The Rep. says that he confirmed the information with the Zapata County Sheriff (who's heading the US investigation into the disappearance).

What the heck is going on down there?

It's been going on down there..... this just happened Monday on the road I used to take everyday to go to work.

35 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:17:43pm

re: #29 theheat

If you recall, Sarah Palin defined Real Americans™ and was a lot closer to the White House than the shrieking harpy. She also was one of the most vocal opponents of the Cordoba/Park 51 project, and had a klukker supporter edit her book. As a darling of the tea party movement, she's virtually surrounded by haters and bigots.

Yeah, it's the same thing. Yes, it is. Geller happens to be more revolting only because she's even ruder.

No, it is not the same thing or remotely close.

Is every politician you disagree with a bigot because he or she takes some people and groups to task? Are you saying that everyone who disagrees with an Obama policy is a racist and bigot?

There is a big difference between political adversaries and those who marginalize a particular group because of their race, creed or religion.

36 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:18:26pm

re: #35 researchok

There is a big difference between political adversaries and those who marginalize a particular group because of their race, creed or religion.

Which is what Palin is doing these days.

And her 'real Americans' bit was a hell of a dog whistle, too.

37 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:18:27pm

re: #25 Obdicut

And real freaks like Wayne Allyn Root, who tries to cast doubt on whether Obama was actually at Columbia, and, if so, if he was just involved in radical black politics 24/7.

[Link: reason.com...]

That'd be Wayne Allen Root, the VP on the Libertarian Party ticket in 2008.

...
*facepalm*

38 Laughing Gas  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:18:45pm

Is Geller an alcoholic? It explains/can be explained by her likely personality disorders.

39 What, me worry?  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:18:49pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

That Malcolm X post is worth preserving as an example of---something. I think she learned a thing or two from Fjordman. No, just one thing: stultifying length. The hope of obscuring one's lack of a point by burying the big nothing in a huge, tremendous, utterly tl;dr pile of little nothings.

OMG it's totally Fjordman-like!

I had to giggle because it's either giggle or throw something at my screen... but why oh why has she taken every skinny Black man in glasses from the 1950s and compared their faces to Obama? In fact, one can clearly see how Malcolm X points exactly like Obama!! No DNA testing needed here!

Seriously, you want the definition of bigotry, there it is.

40 Kragar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:19:25pm

Judge to military: Stop discharging gays under 'don't ask, don't tell'

A federal judge Tuesday ordered the government to stop banning openly gay men and women from serving in the military under the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

U.S. District Judge Virginia Phillips found the policy unconstitutional in September. On Tuesday, she rejected an Obama administration request to delay an injunction and ordered enforcement of the 17-year-old policy permanently stopped.

The Justice Department has 60 days to appeal. Legal experts say the government is under no legal obligation to do so and they could let Phillips' ruling stand.

41 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:19:42pm

re: #30 lawhawk

Terrible violence with the reportage muddied by partisan memes.

42 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:20:00pm

re: #35 researchok


Is every politician you disagree with a bigot because he or she takes some people and groups to task?

"Liberals are not real Americans" is not "taking a group to task".

Are you a Palin fan?

43 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:20:02pm

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Judge to military: Stop discharging gays under 'don't ask, don't tell'

This is excellent news. DADT needs to be scrapped permanently.

44 theheat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:21:26pm

re: #35 researchok

Are you saying the likes of Geller and Palin are only taking certain groups "to task?" I call bullshit. You have only to refer to the last year of Palin tweets, and just about anything on Geller's hate blog, to know that argument holds no water.

45 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:21:47pm

re: #30 lawhawk

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - severed head of the Mexican investigator into the disappearance of a Texan,David Michael Hartley, on Falcon Lake was delivered to Mexican authorities according to a Texas Rep. Aaron Pena.

Mexican authorities have no information. The Rep. says that he confirmed the information with the Zapata County Sheriff (who's heading the US investigation into the disappearance).

What the heck is going on down there?

I think that just put paid to the rumors she was making it up.

Christ.

Nothing made up about that at all.

46 pharmmajor  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:22:08pm

re: #44 theheat

Are you saying the likes of Geller and Palin are only taking certain groups "to task?" I call bullshit. You have only to refer to the last year of Palin tweets, and just about anything on Geller's hate blog, to know that argument holds no water.

Why would anyone with half a brain want to read Palin's twitter or Geller's blog?

47 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:22:13pm

re: #38 Juice

Is Geller an alcoholic? .

Alcoholic's go to meetings...... Pam just likes to drink.

48 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:22:18pm

re: #36 Obdicut

Which is what Palin is doing these days.

And her 'real Americans' bit was a hell of a dog whistle, too.

I disagree. While I might find Palin's message idiotic, to say she is the same as Geller is absurd.

49 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:23:53pm

re: #44 theheat

Are you saying the likes of Geller and Palin are only taking certain groups "to task?" I call bullshit. You have only to refer to the last year of Palin tweets, and just about anything on Geller's hate blog, to know that argument holds no water.

Has Palin ever called for the removal of Americans?

As for bullshit, please clarify: Are you saying disagreeing with an Obama policy qualifies an individual as a racist?

50 theheat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:24:43pm

re: #46 pharmmajor

Don't need to, really, because most of the news agencies and a lot of blogs re-post their info. Except for spelling, they aren't all that different in their opinions.

51 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:25:57pm

The litany of Atlas' sins could go on forever -- the deeply malignant hate campaign she waged against the parents of Rifqa Bary, hanging out with the fruitcake religious outfit that sheltered the runaway (Global Revolution Church,) Support for Dove world outreach church, proselytizing propaganda for Serbian war criminals, support for the Eurofascist thugs in EDL, etc. etc. etc.

52 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:27:22pm

re: #46 pharmmajor

Why would anyone with half a brain want to read Palin's twitter or Geller's blog?

A lot of people need blogs like her's to validate their fear and belief that the Muslims and Transnationals are using Third World Liberation theology to take over the world.

53 theheat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:28:00pm

re: #49 researchok

This isn't about disagreeing with an Obama policy. This is about defining what is and isn't a Real American, promoting bigotry, hate, and marginalizing particular groups. Both women: guilty on all counts. Plus, they both lie and exaggerate to give their straw men legs.

Here's some trivia: Sharpie is the official brow makeup sponsor of both of them. Sistahs!

54 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:28:01pm

re: #45 celticdragon

Mexican authorities have now confirmed that the prosecutor was killed, but says that the death was unrelated to the investigation.

A spokesman for the prosecutor's office in the Mexican state of Tamaulipas confirmed that Commander Rolando Flores, the head of state investigators in the border city of Ciudad Miguel Aleman, had been killed.

Flores was investigating the disappearance of Hartley, but the prosecutor's spokesman said the death was unrelated.

55 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:28:03pm

re: #33 wrenchwench

That's the sheriff who "spoke with the Zetas" to ask for demand Hartley's body back. I don't trust him.

CNN says the Mexican authorities do no not know of a missing investigator or head. (4:20 Eastern Time).

56 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:29:06pm

re: #51 Thanos

The litany of Atlas' sins could go on forever -- the deeply malignant hate campaign she waged against the parents of Rifqa Bary, hanging out with the fruitcake religious outfit that sheltered the runaway (Global Revolution Church,) Support for Dove world outreach church, proselytizing propaganda for Serbian war criminals, support for the Eurofascist thugs in EDL, etc. etc. etc.

In many ways, her biggest sin is not even offering a positive or hopeful vision of any kind.

Her world is a descent into real darkness.

57 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:30:41pm

re: #21 garhighway

The Sunday Times was a weird deal this Sunday, with profiles of Geller and Ann Coulter.

Very difficult to explain.

the right wing is quietly buying up or infiltrating all media. npr is getting more right wing

i would be more worried except i doubt that any amount of advertising or propoganda will convince people that shit tastes just like ice cream

58 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:32:32pm

re: #54 lawhawk

Mexican authorities have now confirmed that the prosecutor was killed, but says that the death was unrelated to the investigation.

Uh, yeah...

What else are they going to say? It is obvious that law and order has utterly broken down and they cannot face up to that in public.

Maybe it was unconnected, but I would not bet on it. This is a high profile international case and he stepped on toes somewhere along the line. They sent a message.

59 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:32:36pm

re: #53 theheat

This isn't about disagreeing with an Obama policy. This is about defining what is and isn't a Real American, promoting bigotry, hate, and marginalizing particular groups. Both women: guilty on all counts. Plus, they both lie and exaggerate to give their straw men legs.

Here's some trivia: Sharpie is the official brow makeup sponsor of both of them. Sistahs!

Yup, that's all true.

Welcome to the world of American politics.

Not so many clean hands.

60 Summer Seale  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:33:31pm

Just a note for everyone on a little ironic note:

As some may know, I'm in England (until tomorrow afternoon), and there's a UKIP conference in the lobby and conference room of the hotel where I'm at right now.

I didn't say anything because I didn't want to get into a fight. But I was there before they started their meeting and there were a few people talking about how they are the future and how similar they are to the Tea Party in the U.S. Wish I could have recorded it but I was waiting to get picked up for dinner.

61 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:34:22pm

re: #57 engineer dog

...snip
i would be more worried except i doubt that any amount of advertising or propoganda will convince people that shit tastes just like ice cream

A lot is riding on that.

62 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:35:14pm

re: #35 researchok

See my previous post. Pam might not think she's a bigot but she sure supports a lot of tribal nationalist types who are. (Terreblanche, DeWinter, Gorin, etc. etc.)

63 What, me worry?  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:35:26pm

re: #60 Summer

Just a note for everyone on a little ironic note:

As some may know, I'm in England (until tomorrow afternoon), and there's a UKIP conference in the lobby and conference room of the hotel where I'm at right now.

I didn't say anything because I didn't want to get into a fight. But I was there before they started their meeting and there were a few people talking about how they are the future and how similar they are to the Tea Party in the U.S. Wish I could have recorded it but I was waiting to get picked up for dinner.

Are they like the BNP?

64 theheat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:36:23pm

re: #57 engineer dog

npr is getting more right wing

No shit. I used to think it was pretty vanilla, low key, and pretty spineless. Now it's like soft-core tea party.

65 iossarian  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:36:49pm

re: #63 marjoriemoon

Are they like the BNP?

Not really (at least in the past) - they've been a bit more of a "traditional" isolationist party. Mostly their focus has been on pulling the UK out of Europe.

But obviously a lot of their support comes from the same kind of anti-immigrant feeling.

66 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:37:12pm

re: #60 Summer

Just a note for everyone on a little ironic note:

As some may know, I'm in England (until tomorrow afternoon), and there's a UKIP conference in the lobby and conference room of the hotel where I'm at right now.

I didn't say anything because I didn't want to get into a fight. But I was there before they started their meeting and there were a few people talking about how they are the future and how similar they are to the Tea Party in the U.S. Wish I could have recorded it but I was waiting to get picked up for dinner.

You should have shifted into your Sarah Palin alternate personality and completely wowed them...

67 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:37:32pm

re: #58 celticdragon

Uh, yeah...

What else are they going to say? It is obvious that law and order has utterly broken down and they cannot face up to that in public.

Maybe it was unconnected, but I would not bet on it. This is a high profile international case and he stepped on toes somewhere along the line. They sent a message.

The only thing a death and beheading of an investigator is evidence of in Mexico these days is that the sun came up again.

68 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:37:52pm

re: #63 marjoriemoon

BNP Lite, they are to BNP as Pat Buchanan is to Stormfront.

69 theheat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:38:47pm

re: #60 Summer

We couldn't keep a good thing like the tea party all to ourselves.
//

"You have my sympathies." - Ash, Alien, 1979.

70 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:40:31pm

anyone here ever hear of the comic, Hipster Hitler?

thought i'd share. good stuff. for instance:

[Link: hipsterhitler.com...]

71 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:40:47pm
72 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:41:12pm

re: #67 wrenchwench

The only thing a death and beheading of an investigator is evidence of in Mexico these days is that the sun came up again.

It is getting that bad.

73 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:41:33pm

re: #62 Thanos

See my previous post. Pam might not think she's a bigot but she sure supports a lot of tribal nationalist types who are. (Terreblanche, DeWinter, Gorin, etc. etc.)

Right on point. Geller has been an enabler, promoter and defender of some of the most ugly kinds of behavior. She could have taken a higher road but instead she sought to lead the mob.

For a long time, Geller and Spenser gave these groups a credibility and voice here they craved. That said, there is only so much lipstick you can put on a pig.

74 Summer Seale  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:42:59pm

Lol...I just checked twitter and somebody else is staying in a hotel with a UKIP conference. I think it may be a regional party political though. I replied on twitter to them that I had one in this hotel too right now.

They actually looked quite agitated in the conference room (the door is glass).

And they're kinda like the tamer version of the BNP I guess? But maybe some British people might be better at explaining. They're pretty darn insane and stupid though. They're also climate change denialists etc...

75 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:44:23pm

re: #74 Summer

If they want to withdraw from places, you might suggest Ulster.

76 theheat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:44:54pm

re: #74 Summer

They're pretty darn insane and stupid though. They're also climate change denialists etc...

We have a word for those: exports.

77 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:47:22pm
78 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:48:07pm

re: #68 Thanos

BNP Lite, they are to BNP as Pat Buchanan is to Stormfront.

Why in the hell is that vile excuse for a human being still on television?

In my social memory history class, it is shocking how often that piece of offal comes up in the Gods-damned culture war.

He helped start the fight that killed the Enola Gay exhibit at the Smithsonian based on outright in-your-face lies...and he was part of the smear job against Maya Lin, the designer of the Vietnam Memorial back in 1982.

The bastard never gives up, and he has no sense of shame or self awareness.

79 theheat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:49:35pm

re: #78 celticdragon

He's all too self aware. That's why he has no shame. It isn't as if he lacks focus. He knows exactly what he's doing.

80 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 1:56:37pm

re: #34 Mr Pancakes

It's been going on down there... this just happened Monday on the road I used to take everyday to go to work.

And that's in Tijuana, where Calderon says things are much better than in Juarez or Reynosa because the people trust the government more. No, I don't know how he kept a straight face.

81 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:02:33pm

hey so are people going to shut up about how the NYT is relentlessly liberal?

Probably not

82 What, me worry?  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:02:59pm

re: #65 iossarian

re: #68 Thanos

Ah ok. I was just reading about the UKIP and BNP came to mind. EDL I guess too.

So many acronyms, so few letters :p

I don't like to comment much on UK policy. I think parliamentary procedure is what's throwing me, but I keep reading.

The last post Charles put up on the EDL, I was looking through some Flickr pics. As bad as the EDL is (and IT IS), I saw terrible anti-Semitic signs from the Al-Quds marchers, such as "We are all Hezbollah". Here is one (but not from Flickr).

[Link: cifwatch.com...] This link is from an earlier parade, but the signs are the same (and a lot worse).

My hate for these British groups sometimes conflicts with my hate for the anti-Semitic Muslim community. In any case, I don't support either, but I also recognize that Europe has some very unique problems that we do not have here in the states.

83 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:03:14pm

re: #48 researchok

I disagree. While I might find Palin's message idiotic, to say she is the same as Geller is absurd.

yeah, Palin could become president, she's actually more dangerous by far than Geller

84 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:03:21pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

And that's in Tijuana, where Calderon says things are much better than in Juarez or Reynosa because the people trust the government more. No, I don't know how he kept a straight face.

Yea..... I heard that. To deem TJ "safe" now because Juarez and Reynosa are so much worse is ridiculous.

This violence happens so much down there it's not front page news anymore.

85 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:05:32pm

re: #84 Mr Pancakes

Yea... I heard that. To deem TJ "safe" now because Juarez and Reynosa are so much worse is ridiculous.

This violence happens so much down there it's not front page news anymore.

Partly because it's so common, and partly because if they write the wrong thing, the journalist will be the next to hang by the shoulders because hanging by the neck doesn't work without a head.

86 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:05:52pm

re: #20 SteelPH

Out of the twenty-three years I've been on this earth, Geller has got to be one of the vile, hateful, psychotic, neurotic, just plain evil people I have ever had the unpleasant "honor" of witnessing.
It baffles me how someone can be so consumed by rage like this, to the point of hallucination(seeing Muslims everywhere). This woman is in serious need of professional help.

Eh. I'm used to people like Geller. Jerry Falwell was actually way worse than Geller.

Geller has a blog, Falwell had far more pull, and was just as horrible

Chris Hitchens expressed my feelings perfectly when Falwell died, look it up, it's good stuff :D

87 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:05:57pm

re: #83 WindUpBird

yeah, Palin could become president, she's actually more dangerous by far than Geller

I don't believe that.

Palin may be a rallying force but every poll shows her as no front runner.

Personally, I believe she has as much presidential credibility as I have as an astronaut.

88 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:07:09pm

re: #85 wrenchwench

Oh, sorry. In Tijuana they hang 'em by the feet.

89 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:08:50pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

Oh, sorry. In Tijuana they hang 'em by the feet.

You really ought to be a tour guide.
//

90 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:10:00pm

re: #87 researchok

I don't believe that.

Palin may be a rallying force but every poll shows her as no front runner.

Personally, I believe she has as much presidential credibility as I have as an astronaut.

These days, I believe America is capable of electing Palin, absolutely. I don't think it's a lock, but it's certainly a thing that could happen.

I don't have a very high opinion of the aggregate intelligence of Americans. There's no such thing as "credibility" within the base of the GOP these days. No such thing. The candidates the base wants are by definition incredible, they're stupid, they're inexperienced, they're bad politicians, they espouse radical and completely impossible positions. But yet, they seem to be popular!

But you get all the rubes on the same page, a bunch of pissed off unemployed people (which would be the swing voters) if the economy continues to tank, and all the white fraid-of-the-black-muslim suburbanites whose tribalist strings are being pulled, Palin could totally become president.

91 b_snark  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:11:58pm

Charles, can you pull post 77. On sober second thought it was way over the line. My apologies.

92 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:13:17pm

It's been my experience that most of these profiles from the MSM are typically softballs. Even the much ballyhooed criticism of Christine O'Donnell has had a soft touch too it. Unless the writer has a direct interest in the topic at hand it's usually written with a large dose of detachment.

93 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:14:23pm

re: #87 researchok

I don't believe that.

Palin may be a rallying force but every poll shows her as no front runner.

Personally, I believe she has as much presidential credibility as I have as an astronaut.


Presidential elections these days are a media sideshow, a popularity contest and a reflection of the times, add that to campaigning, you have your presidency. Credibility? Doesn't exist. You have the internet balkanizing everything, you have far faster-moving partisan media than we ever had before. It's accelerating logarithmically, how fast ideas and memes and talking points can spread. Twitter as a major cultural thing is two years old. TWO YEARS.

It's like football teams. Nobody asks if the quarterback is "credible". They just want their team to score more points than the other team. They don't care if the running back had a DUI. They won the game!

94 What, me worry?  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:16:00pm

re: #90 WindUpBird

These days, I believe America is capable of electing Palin, absolutely. I don't think it's a lock, but it's certainly a thing that could happen.

I don't have a very high opinion of the aggregate intelligence of Americans. There's no such thing as "credibility" within the base of the GOP these days. No such thing. The candidates the base wants are by definition incredible, they're stupid, they're inexperienced, they're bad politicians, they espouse radical and completely impossible positions. But yet, they seem to be popular!

But you get all the rubes on the same page, a bunch of pissed off unemployed people (which would be the swing voters) if the economy continues to tank, and all the white fraid-of-the-black-muslim suburbanites whose tribalist strings are being pulled, Palin could totally become president.

I don't think so at all. She's not electable. Otherwise it would have happened in 2008.

The majority of people don't like this racist shit. They really don't. We've come too far for this dialogue, like repealing the Civil Rights Amendment. It's insanity and most people agree it's insanity.

Obama won in large part because of the minority vote and I see no reason for them to stop at this point.

95 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:16:37pm

OT Well, it looks like Rich Iott just dug himself an even bigger hole.

Rich Iott Defends Nazis He Dresses Up As: 'They Were Doing What They Thought Was Right'

Ohio Congressional candidate Rich Iott got grilled by Anderson Cooper last night on his rather unusual hobby of dressing up as a member of the 5th SS Wiking Panzer Division, a unit in the German army during World War II.

Iott defended the members of the unit, who he said "wanted to fight what they saw as a bigger threat to them than Germany," so they joined up with the Nazis to fight the eastern front of the war against Soviet forces. "I don't think we can sit here and judge that today. We weren't there the time they made those decisions," he said.

Iott called "what happened in Germany during the second World War one of "the low points in human history," but defended the Wiking Division when Cooper referred to them as collaborators: "I don't know that I would put that label on them. They were doing what they thought was right for their country. And they were going out and fighting what they thought was a bigger, you know, a bigger evil."

[...]

This is also in the context of the SS rather than the usual Wehrmacht.

96 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:18:55pm

re: #95 Gus 802

I figured. Guys like that are really committed to that belief. The original statement was that the SS was fighting for freedom. You know. Nazis. All about the freedom.

97 b_snark  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:19:48pm

re: #96 Obdicut

I figured. Guys like that are really committed to that belief. The original statement was that the SS was fighting for freedom. You know. Nazis. All about the freedom.

Freedom from what?

98 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:21:38pm

re: #97 b_sharp

Freedom from what?

Therein lies the rub. And "Freedom for whom", as well.

#1 requirement to be in the SS: Being a fervent Nazi. Not that you'd judged that the Russians were worse than the Nazis so you decided to fight them rather than the Nazis: only the Finns really get to use that excuse. In order to join Wiking, you had to be a fervent, fanatical believer in the Nazi ideals. The only time that began to slip was towards the very end of the war.

99 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:21:47pm

re: #96 Obdicut

I figured. Guys like that are really committed to that belief. The original statement was that the SS was fighting for freedom. You know. Nazis. All about the freedom.

The scum he loves were worse than the Waffen SS. These pukes turned their backs on their own resisting countries and volunteered to butcher for their conquerors.

100 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:23:24pm

re: #78 celticdragon

Why in the hell is that vile excuse for a human being still on television?

In my social memory history class, it is shocking how often that piece of offal comes up in the Gods-damned culture war.

He helped start the fight that killed the Enola Gay exhibit at the Smithsonian based on outright in-your-face lies...and he was part of the smear job against Maya Lin, the designer of the Vietnam Memorial back in 1982.

The bastard never gives up, and he has no sense of shame or self awareness.

A very good post, although I would argue that the only awareness Buchanan has is that of self. He is oblivious to the moral context of his surroundings.

101 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:27:05pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

The scum he loves were worse than the Waffen SS. These pukes turned their backs on their own resisting countries and volunteered to butcher for their conquerors.

And now he's gone from "it's just a hobby" to defending the Wiking SS.

My guess now is that he's history with the GOP. Should be interesting to see how they react. Iott has just escalated his own controversy.

102 b_snark  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:29:40pm

re: #101 Gus 802

And now he's gone from "it's just a hobby" to defending the Wiking SS.

My guess now is that he's history with the GOP. Should be interesting to see how they react. Iott has just escalated his own controversy.

He obviously has great difficulty in making sound decisions. I suspect we'll hear about him being set up by the librul MSM with their nasty attack questions.

103 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:30:11pm

re: #101 Gus 802

And now he's gone from "it's just a hobby" to defending the Wiking SS.

My guess now is that he's history with the GOP. Should be interesting to see how they react. Iott has just escalated his own controversy.

It gets better. He has published a letter of support from a Jewish friend/business partner. IMDB shows they produced dull cult flicks together when the friend wasn't producer/director/actor of soft-core. I'm tired. Search IMDB for 13 Erotic Ghosts.

104 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:31:35pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

It gets better. He has published a letter of support from a Jewish friend/business partner. IMDB shows they produced dull cult flicks together when the friend wasn't producer/director/actor of soft-core. I'm tired. Search IMDB for 13 Erotic Ghosts.

Ha! Here it is.

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

105 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:33:22pm

re: #104 Gus 802

Gabai is the friend. They have IMDB cross-credits under "IOTT". Intertubes is a bitch.

106 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:33:44pm

re: #101 Gus 802

And now he's gone from "it's just a hobby" to defending the Wiking SS.

My guess now is that he's history with the GOP. Should be interesting to see how they react. Iott has just escalated his own controversy.

Conservatives have been living in a consequence-free zone for a while, now. There is nothing so outrageous that it is not justified and rationalized by a group of "Obama is a sekrit Muslim Socialist One World Overlord" bloggers. This is one of the reasons the far right is beginning to look like the centre of Republican politics, and one reason why I think that Democratic losses in the midterm elections will not be quite as bad as anticipated by many. The vocal (but crazy) minority has been setting the media agenda, thanks to the alarmists at FOX. Reality may be very different than expected.

107 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:35:34pm

re: #105 Decatur Deb

Gabai is the friend. They have IMDB cross-credits under "IOTT". Intertubes is a bitch.

This?

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

108 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:36:19pm

right now we all worry about how far palin and the baggers might be able to get. but keep in mind this is about the worst time to be the incumbent party since herbert hoover

we'll see where they end up when the worm turns yet again

109 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:37:47pm

re: #107 Gus 802

This?

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

Yup. That's all silly stuff R-rated or less. I don't care if he's been screwing Paladino's goat, but I'm not a Republican Ohio voter.

110 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:39:15pm

re: #109 Decatur Deb

Yup. That's all silly stuff R-rated or less. I don't care if he's been screwing Paladino's goat, but I'm not a Republican Ohio voter.

So you think he might also be a playa? Probably.

111 Winny Spencer  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:39:48pm

re: #101 Gus 802

Pat Buchanan to Iott's rescue in 3 2 1.....

Or has it happened already?

112 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:40:18pm

re: #110 Gus 802

Waiting to see if O'Keefe gets videographer credits.

113 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:40:21pm

re: #90 WindUpBird

These days, I believe America is capable of electing Palin, absolutely. I don't think it's a lock, but it's certainly a thing that could happen.

I don't have a very high opinion of the aggregate intelligence of Americans. There's no such thing as "credibility" within the base of the GOP these days. No such thing. The candidates the base wants are by definition incredible, they're stupid, they're inexperienced, they're bad politicians, they espouse radical and completely impossible positions. But yet, they seem to be popular!

But you get all the rubes on the same page, a bunch of pissed off unemployed people (which would be the swing voters) if the economy continues to tank, and all the white fraid-of-the-black-muslim suburbanites whose tribalist strings are being pulled, Palin could totally become president.

You may be capturing some of the mood of the electorate, but that doesn't necessarily translate to results at the polls.

Ariana Huffingtton put it best when she noted that Dems would be foolish to discount the discontents and the TP.

The TP is less about viable ideas than it is about the mood of the voters.

Let me relate a personal anecdote.

The anti science of the GOP has served to push me more to a center/center stake. I cannot in good conscience support a party that undermines science. To be clear, I don't worship science (history has taught the only thing for sure is that ideas will change!) but I do recognize science as a reality. In my view, God gave the world a set of natural laws and for the most past is hands off.

In any event, at this point my political journey precludes me from a more significant shift. In ascending the ladder so as to look down and get a more clear view I find the didactic stringency of the left today as strident as that of the right. Neither side has an 'open tent' that allows for disagreement and neither side seems to care. These realities have been carefully crafted so as to give life and importance to the extremists of either side. A lot of money has been raised because the wool has been pulled over a lot of eyes.

As the polls indicate, there is a reason the American public- myself included- looks at Washington DC with great contempt. No one it seems is capable or wants to tell the truth.

We are on our way to becoming a corrupt banana republic, in slow motion, and very few Americans seems to care and even fewer are willing to stand up and just say 'No mas!'.

Make no mistake, both sides are guilty and both sides have victimized the American public- and this is not a 'magical equivalence theory' no matter how mightily some will struggle to say otherwise.

114 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:41:31pm

re: #95 Gus 802

OT Well, it looks like Rich Iott just dug himself an even bigger hole.

Rich Iott Defends Nazis He Dresses Up As: 'They Were Doing What They Thought Was Right'

This is also in the context of the SS rather than the usual Wehrmacht.

IO saw that earlier today.

This guy is a poster child for idiots and not knowing when to shut up.

115 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:41:33pm

re: #108 engineer dog

right now we all worry about how far palin and the baggers might be able to get. but keep in mind this is about the worst time to be the incumbent party since herbert hoover

we'll see where they end up when the worm turns yet again

If the Palinistas and Tea Partiers ever take over the majority and (heavens forbid) the Presidency, this country will be an uninhabitable cross of Venezuela and Singapore. A bunch of really loud crazy people telling you what to do and making sure the political system works just for them.

116 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:42:28pm

re: #114 researchok

IO saw that earlier today.

This guy is a poster child for idiots and not knowing when to shut up.

Can we agree to call him Reich Iott?

117 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:42:35pm

re: #113 researchok

In ascending the ladder so as to look down and get a more clear view I find the didactic stringency of the left today as strident as that of the right. Neither side has an 'open tent' that allows for disagreement and neither side seems to care.

But this part is absolutely not true. There are loads of pro-life Democrats, of various stripes. There are conservative Democrats in many, many areas.

It is a false equivalence to say that the parties are equal in that regard. The Democrats have far more disagreement than the Republicans do.

118 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:43:16pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

It gets better. He has published a letter of support from a Jewish friend/business partner. IMDB shows they produced dull cult flicks together when the friend wasn't producer/director/actor of soft-core. I'm tired. Search IMDB for 13 Erotic Ghosts.

Stupid is a a lot like misery.

Loves company.

119 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:43:22pm

re: #113 researchok

Take that for half a ding.

120 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:43:29pm

re: #114 researchok

IO saw that earlier today.

This guy is a poster child for idiots and not knowing when to shut up.

Strangest election year evah.

121 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:44:26pm

re: #120 Gus 802

Strangest election year evah.

What if it becomes the New Normal?

122 thatthatisis  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:44:40pm

Until the Park51 issue came up, I didn't know much about Geller at all. So I clicked on the link to her post about Obama being the child of Malcolm X.

I got to the point of her blaring question about how could Obama's mother be in Hawaii, when she was registered for the University of Washington that year, which would place her more than 2,000 miles away.

So I clicked on the website of the U of Washington, academic calendar. Classes for fall semester 2009 began September 30th. Hhhmmm. So if the calendar was similar in 1961, and since she gave birth on Aug 4th, classes would have begun almost 8 weeks later. I was back at work 6 weeks after my son was born.

So I stopped reading Geller's post. For anyone who slogged through all of it, did it get better?

123 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:44:42pm

re: #116 imp_62

Can we agree to call him Reich Iott?

3 pointer.

124 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:45:08pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

What if it becomes the New Normal?

If that happens, I will blame Gus.

/

125 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:45:32pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

What if it becomes the New Normal?

You say that partly in jest, but this whole Tea Party and Palinista movement has rang a lot of bells that can't be un-rung.

126 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:46:38pm

re: #120 Gus 802

Strangest election year evah.

You know, there is a movie to be made about this election year.

You have no idea how badly I wish I could insert a sarc tag here.

127 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:46:44pm

re: #124 researchok

If that happens, I will blame Gus.

/

Correct! I am the ring leader of this year kookiness. I have been working secretly in my political laboratory between hits on the bong while conference calling Soros and the Koch brothers at the same time.

/

128 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:47:29pm

re: #125 imp_62

You say that partly in jest, but this whole Tea Party and Palinista movement has rang a lot of bells that can't be un-rung.

Wasn't joking. It's what you mention, coupled with the castration of the major media and the rise of the electronic character assassination machine.

129 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:47:36pm

re: #127 Gus 802

Correct! I am the ring leader of this year kookiness. I have been working secretly in my political laboratory between hits on the bong while conference calling Soros and the Koch brothers at the same time.

/

Oh, this is so tempting....

LOL

130 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:48:17pm

re: #126 researchok

You know, there is a movie to be made about this election year.

You have no idea how badly I wish I could insert a sarc tag here.

Make it quickly, before the next incarnation of the House Un-American Activities Committee is assembled.

131 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:48:36pm

re: #126 researchok

You know, there is a movie to be made about this election year.

You have no idea how badly I wish I could insert a sarc tag here.

It would make for an interesting farcical comedy.

132 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:48:48pm

The warm and fuzzy article about Ms Geller was the same one used to demonstrate to me that Ms Geller is being unfairly targeted by "pro-Islamists." This same person mimics the bigotry promoted by Geller, right down to the rhetoric. My opposition was met with hostility and accusations of ignorance. Ms Geller is definitely having an affect on those looking for a group to hate on.

133 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:49:03pm

re: #128 Decatur Deb

Wasn't joking. It's what you mention, coupled with the castration of the major media and the rise of the electronic character assassination machine.

Hmmm.... vere can i obtain such a maschine??

134 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:49:41pm

Is Phyllis Diller still alive? She can play the role of Pam Geller!

/

135 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:50:20pm

re: #133 imp_62

Hmmm... vere can i obtain such a maschine??

We're part of it. Ask Ms Geller and the stalkers in the moat.

136 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:50:36pm

re: #131 Gus 802

It would make for an interesting farcical comedy.

I don't believe in farce. When children are exposed to farce, they turn gay. Fact.
//

137 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:50:38pm

re: #131 Gus 802

It would make for an interesting farcical comedy.

I can see the trailer right now- "I can see Russia from my backyard" and "you have to vote for it so you can read it".

The one liners are endless.

138 shutdown  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:51:34pm

Time to fire up the dinner cooking machinery. BBL

139 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:51:45pm

re: #134 Gus 802

Is Phyllis Diller still alive? She can play the role of Pam Geller!

/

LOL

I would submit Joan Rivers play Pelosi.

140 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:52:23pm

re: #139 researchok

LOL

I would submit Joan Rivers play Pelosi.

Joaquin Phoenix as Robert Spencer? Either him or Danny DeVito.

141 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:53:01pm

re: #139 researchok

OK, take the other half.

142 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:54:09pm

re: #140 Gus 802

Joaquin Phoenix as Robert Spencer? Either him or Danny DeVito.

Devito!

Phoenix ought to play Randall Terry.

There could be guns in his other closet...

143 Kragar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:54:14pm

re: #136 imp_62

I don't believe in farce. When children are exposed to farce, they turn gay. Fact.
//

and show tunes.

144 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:55:05pm

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

and show tunes.

Or the Wizard of Oz. Anything with Judy Garland.

/

145 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:55:20pm

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

and show tunes.

Remake of Little Shop of Horrors?

146 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:56:40pm

re: #144 Gus 802

Or the Wizard of Oz. Anything with Judy Garland.

/

You are dating yourself.

I would have said Liza Minneli.

147 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:57:51pm

re: #146 researchok

You are dating yourself.

I would have said Liza Minneli.

Yeah. I was hoping for Buddy Hackett as Robert Spencer and Marty Feldman as Lord Monckton.

148 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:59:15pm

re: #147 Gus 802

Yeah. I was hoping for Buddy Hackett as Robert Spencer and Marty Feldman as Lord Monckton.

Oh Yeah!! Marty Feldman- Brilliant!

Chris Rock as Obama? 'I may be president, I may have money but none of you white guys would wanna be me!'

149 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:02:01pm

Gus, we need to sit down and have a few beers...

And inaugurate a new political party.

150 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:02:41pm

Deb, you need to be there, too.

151 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:02:53pm

re: #142 researchok

Devito!

Phoenix ought to play Randall Terry.

There could be guns in his other closet...

It would be really funny to have Christopher Walken play Barack Obama. No makeup, no voice impersonation. Just Christopher Walken, and everyone else takes it for granted.

152 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:03:20pm

re: #149 researchok

Gus, we need to sit down and have a few beers...

And inaugurate a new political party.

We can call it the Whig Wig Party.

//

153 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:03:52pm

re: #150 researchok

Deb, you need to be there, too.

Went for more wine. If I move off Dem, I'm going Wobbly.

154 garhighway  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:04:16pm

re: #113 researchok

You may be capturing some of the mood of the electorate, but that doesn't necessarily translate to results at the polls.

Ariana Huffingtton put it best when she noted that Dems would be foolish to discount the discontents and the TP.

The TP is less about viable ideas than it is about the mood of the voters.

Let me relate a personal anecdote.

The anti science of the GOP has served to push me more to a center/center stake. I cannot in good conscience support a party that undermines science. To be clear, I don't worship science (history has taught the only thing for sure is that ideas will change!) but I do recognize science as a reality. In my view, God gave the world a set of natural laws and for the most past is hands off.

In any event, at this point my political journey precludes me from a more significant shift. In ascending the ladder so as to look down and get a more clear view I find the didactic stringency of the left today as strident as that of the right. Neither side has an 'open tent' that allows for disagreement and neither side seems to care. These realities have been carefully crafted so as to give life and importance to the extremists of either side. A lot of money has been raised because the wool has been pulled over a lot of eyes.

As the polls indicate, there is a reason the American public- myself included- looks at Washington DC with great contempt. No one it seems is capable or wants to tell the truth.

We are on our way to becoming a corrupt banana republic, in slow motion, and very few Americans seems to care and even fewer are willing to stand up and just say 'No mas!'.

Make no mistake, both sides are guilty and both sides have victimized the American public- and this is not a 'magical equivalence theory' no matter how mightily some will struggle to say otherwise.

In assessing the "didactic stringency of the left", take a look at the voting patterns of Dems in Congress. I think you will see a fair amount of internal disagreement and debate. Compare that with the GOP.

I will never say that the Democratic party doesn't have its flaws, but it is a more fundamentally "small d" democratic institution with a far greater tolerance for diversity of thought than the alternative.

155 b_snark  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:04:17pm

re: #152 Gus 802

We can call it the Whig Wig Party.

//

How about the Drunke Olde Farte party?

156 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:04:54pm

re: #151 negativ

It would be really funny to have Christopher Walken play Barack Obama. No makeup, no voice impersonation. Just Christopher Walken, and everyone else takes it for granted.

That's a good idea...but in a perfect world, he'd play a scary guy- George Bush or Harry Reid.

I have no desire to know what either one of those fine gents has in their basement.

157 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:05:00pm

re: #155 b_sharp

How about the Drunke Olde Farte party?

That might work. Or the Hur Hur Party.

/

158 garhighway  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:05:01pm

re: #151 negativ

It would be really funny to have Christopher Walken play Barack Obama. No makeup, no voice impersonation. Just Christopher Walken, and everyone else takes it for granted.

We need more Chris Walken.

And more cowbell.

159 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:05:40pm

re: #153 Decatur Deb

Went for more wine. If I move off Dem, I'm going Wobbly.

We'll get you.

You can be member number one of the Reality Party.

160 Winny Spencer  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:06:18pm

Joe Pesci as Carl Paladino, obviously.

161 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:06:22pm

re: #157 Gus 802

That might work. Or the Hur Hur Party.

/

Reality Party.

We're gonna co chair.

162 b_snark  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:06:26pm

re: #157 Gus 802

That might work. Or the Hur Hur Party.

/

Or the GTFOML party.

163 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:06:54pm

re: #160 Winny Spencer

Joe Pesci as Carl Paladino, obviously.

Obviously.

164 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:07:10pm

re: #154 garhighway

In assessing the "didactic stringency of the left", take a look at the voting patterns of Dems in Congress. I think you will see a fair amount of internal disagreement and debate. Compare that with the GOP.

I will never say that the Democratic party doesn't have its flaws, but it is a more fundamentally "small d" democratic institution with a far greater tolerance for diversity of thought than the alternative.

Dems--from Kucinich (who I like) to Bobby Bright (who I had to vote for).

165 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:07:41pm

re: #160 Winny Spencer

Joe Pesci as Carl Paladino, obviously.

Tom Cruise as Glenn Beck.

Crazy comes easy to him.

/

166 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:08:37pm

re: #159 researchok

We'll get you.

You can be member number one of the Reality Party.

Number 1? You basing this on age, punk?

167 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:08:56pm

re: #154 garhighway

In assessing the "didactic stringency of the left", take a look at the voting patterns of Dems in Congress. I think you will see a fair amount of internal disagreement and debate. Compare that with the GOP.

I will never say that the Democratic party doesn't have its flaws, but it is a more fundamentally "small d" democratic institution with a far greater tolerance for diversity of thought than the alternative.

True- this week.

When the GOP had control of the House under Bush, it was the same story, for the most part.

SSDD.

168 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:09:47pm

re: #166 Decatur Deb

Number 1? You basing this on age, punk?

Based on grace, wit, charm, beauty, ability as a chef, ability as a shprtstop....

169 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:10:14pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Tom Cruise as Glenn Beck.

Crazy comes easy to him.

/

LOLOLOL

170 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:10:39pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Tom Cruise as Glenn Beck.

Crazy comes easy to him.

/

I wanna be Dr Phil.

171 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:11:09pm

re: #167 researchok

When the GOP had control of the House under Bush, it was the same story, for the most part.

I'm sorry, what are you talking about?

The GOP obstructionism this year is extreme, and record-breaking. The blocking of appointments alone is an amazingly irresponsible bit of unprecedentedly excessive behavior.

172 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:11:15pm

re: #169 researchok

LOLOLOL

I can see it already. Hair died blond running all around the chalk board. "Help me help you help me help you!"

173 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:12:41pm

re: #171 Obdicut

I'm sorry, what are you talking about?

The GOP obstructionism this year is extreme, and record-breaking. The blocking of appointments alone is an amazingly irresponsible bit of unprecedentedly excessive behavior.

Block votes (mostly the last half of their majority. Dems took the House last two years of Bush administration.

174 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:13:21pm

Dana Carvey as Christine O'Donnell.

175 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:14:02pm

We gotta give Obdi a screen test.

A Carville/Matalin guru character.

176 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:15:21pm

re: #174 Gus 802

Dana Carvey as Christine O'Donnell.

Or, Martin Short in drag as O'Donnell- an Ed Grimly goes glam type..

177 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:16:18pm

We should give Walter a walk-on part as well. I'm sure there's something witty he could say.

178 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:16:50pm

re: #176 researchok

Or, Martin Short in drag as O'Donnell- an Ed Grimly goes glam type..

Jim Carrey as John McCain. Although we could always get Steve Martin.

179 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:17:17pm

re: #171 Obdicut

I'm sorry, what are you talking about?

The GOP obstructionism this year is extreme, and record-breaking. The blocking of appointments alone is an amazingly irresponsible bit of unprecedentedly excessive behavior.

Yes, this year.

The blocking of appointments has been escalating for years with each side always escalating.

180 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:17:58pm

The Cryptmaster could nail Cheney.

181 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:18:01pm

re: #178 Gus 802

Jim Carrey as John McCain. Although we could always get Steve Martin.

Steve Martin.

Carrey has absolutely zero sublime.

182 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:19:01pm

re: #181 researchok

Steve Martin.

Carrey has absolutely zero sublime.

Rosie O'Donnell as Rush Limbaugh.

/

183 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:19:02pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

The Cryptmaster could nail Cheney.

The crypmaster was Cheney.

184 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:19:49pm

re: #182 Gus 802

Rosie O'Donnell as Rush Limbaugh.

/

And Maddow as a thoughtful Hannity.

We are a cruel lot, aren't we?

185 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:20:04pm

re: #183 researchok

The crypmaster was Cheney.

If only we had W.C. Fields for Biden.

186 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:20:19pm

re: #173 researchok

Block votes (mostly the last half of their majority. Dems took the House last two years of Bush administration.

Sigh. Have you looked at the data?

[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]

Those are the actual numbers. Democrat filibustering wasn't at any sort of unusual levels when they were in the minority.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Six GOP republicans filibustered their own bill when Obama supported it.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Richard Shelby put a blanket hold on all nominees. All of them. Just 'all'.

[Link: www.nationaljournal.com...]

And confirmations in general are completely out of control.

Image: congressionalnomineesgraphs1.png

187 Linden Arden  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:20:55pm

Reason Magazine - The Education of Pamela Geller.

I post there.

Under another name that begins with "s".

188 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:20:59pm

re: #179 researchok

Yes, this year.

The blocking of appointments has been escalating for years with each side always escalating.

That's untrue. Please see this:

Image: congressionalnomineesgraphs1.png

I think what you're thinking of is the use of the filibuster, which has been climbing. But you are absolutely wrong about confirmation blocking.

189 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:21:06pm

re: #177 oaktree

We should give Walter a walk-on part as well. I'm sure there's something witty he could say.

We could resurrect Cato.

'And that's all I have to say about that'.

190 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:21:07pm

re: #184 researchok

And Maddow as a thoughtful Hannity.

We are a cruel lot, aren't we?

Yeah. I had Nathan Lane lined up for Barney Frank. Chevy Chase can be Chris Dodd. I think Adam Sandler might be good for Biden.

191 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:22:51pm

re: #188 Obdicut

That's untrue. Please see this:

Image: congressionalnomineesgraphs1.png

I think what you're thinking of is the use of the filibuster, which has been climbing. But you are absolutely wrong about confirmation blocking.

See this.

192 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:22:58pm

re: #190 Gus 802

I think Walken for Biden. He'd make the gaffes really come alive.

193 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:23:53pm

re: #192 Obdicut

I think Walken for Biden. He'd make the gaffes really come alive.

Think I found the perfect Cheney or Limbaugh! Philip Seymour Hoffman.

194 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:24:47pm

re: #193 Gus 802

Think I found the perfect Cheney or Limbaugh! Philip Seymour Hoffman.

Oh, my. Philip Seymour Hoffman has "Rush Limbaugh" written all over him. It would be perfect.

195 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:25:17pm

re: #191 researchok

What is your argument, using that link? Are you arguing that link shows higher numbers of nominees blocked? Because that's what we're talking about.

If you want to change your argument, that's fine. But all that article says is that some appointments were blocked, and that the GOP claimed it was unprecedented.

196 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:25:22pm

re: #95 Gus 802

OT Well, it looks like Rich Iott just dug himself an even bigger hole.

Rich Iott Defends Nazis He Dresses Up As: 'They Were Doing What They Thought Was Right'

This is also in the context of the SS rather than the usual Wehrmacht.

Rich Iott, you are a piece of Nazi apologist shit...

197 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:25:39pm

re: #190 Gus 802

Yeah. I had Nathan Lane lined up for Barney Frank. Chevy Chase can be Chris Dodd. I think Adam Sandler might be good for Biden.

I for Nathan Lane to play anyone. The guy is an absolute genius.

Now, I'd do Chase as Biden- mix up the verbal and physical comedy.

As for Dodd, I'd like to resurrect Larry 'Budd' Melman, of Letterman and 'toast on a stick' fame.

I miss that guy. He reminded me of Marty Feldman- you laughed just looking at the guy.

198 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:26:01pm

The Tea Party of Narnia

Image: LWW-1.jpg

199 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:26:49pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

Oh, my. Philip Seymour Hoffman has "Rush Limbaugh" written all over him. It would be perfect.

Now that Orson Welles is dead. James Earl Jones could do Colin Powell, unless he is Colin Powell.

200 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:27:41pm

David Spade as Sharron Angle.

201 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:27:41pm

re: #198 darthstar

Good catch.

202 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:28:15pm

re: #195 Obdicut

What is your argument, using that link? Are you arguing that link shows higher numbers of nominees blocked? Because that's what we're talking about.

If you want to change your argument, that's fine. But all that article says is that some appointments were blocked, and that the GOP claimed it was unprecedented.

The point isn't only about numbers. It is also about percentages.

Obstructionism is obstructionism

During his presidency, Bush also nominated 23 people for 23 different federal district judgeships who were never confirmed by the United States Senate
203 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:28:15pm

We're never going to find a Bachmann.

204 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:28:27pm

re: #200 Gus 802

David Spade as Sharron Angle.

Nice. He cross-dresses well.

Al Franken as Rumsfeld.

205 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:28:34pm

Dog Duty. BBL

206 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:28:52pm

re: #199 Decatur Deb

Now that Orson Welles is dead. James Earl Jones could do Colin Powell, unless he is Colin Powell.

Conspiracies, conspiracies! Taking lessons from Pammie, are we?

207 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:29:08pm

re: #204 Obdicut

Nice. He cross-dresses well.

Al Franken as Rumsfeld.

Hey, Obdi, if you haven't looked at your LGF e-mail, please do.
thanks.

208 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:29:17pm

re: #202 researchok

Then show the percentages. That link doesn't. If you think that means those were the only 23 judges he nominated, you're misreading it.

You've made a contention: Support it.

209 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:29:33pm

re: #207 reine.de.tout

Oh, sorry, I did. I meant to reply. Sorry. Just give me a sec.

210 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:29:38pm

And speaking of Angle...Dearborn's mayor has invited her to visit and witness Sharia Law firsthand.

[Link: ac360.blogs.cnn.com...]

“I am deeply distressed that you have been misled about our community and the way that we conduct our affairs,” O’Reilly writes.

After explaining that the Detroit metro area, which includes Dearborn, has one of the country’s highest concentrations of Arab-Americans in the country, O’Reilly also informs Angle that “Arab-Americans practice religions other than Islam and the Chaldean and Lebanese cultures in our area represent a substantial number of Christians.”


His full letter is here:(pdf doc link)

211 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:29:41pm

re: #203 Decatur Deb

We're never going to find a Bachmann.

Phyllis Schlafly.

212 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:30:20pm

re: #203 Decatur Deb

We're never going to find a Bachmann.

She'll play herself...as will Palin.

213 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:30:57pm

re: #211 researchok

Phyllis Schlafly.

'Weird Al' Yankovic

214 Kragar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:31:04pm

Selma Blair and Emma Stone as Kragar's personal assistants.

What?

215 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:32:45pm

re: #208 Obdicut

Then show the percentages. That link doesn't. If you think that means those were the only 23 judges he nominated, you're misreading it.

You've made a contention: Support it.

On October 7, 2004, just prior to the presidential election, Senate Democrats issued a statement complete with statistics arguing that they were not obstructing Bush nominees in any systemic way[12]. Although the included statistics showed that district court candidates nominated by Bush were being confirmed at a higher rate than those similarly situated candidates nominated by Presidents Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton in their first term, it also showed that Bush's success rate at getting circuit court of appeals nominees confirmed during his first term (67%) was less than those of Reagan (85%) and Clinton (71%).

Of course, as I said earlier, it's not simply about the numbers.

Like the GOP, the Dems had no trouble embracing obstructionism.

It's political reality.

216 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:33:26pm

Fabio can be the governor of California.

/

217 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:33:39pm

re: #213 Gus 802

'Weird Al' Yankovic

LOL

Schlafly could play Bachmman and WAY would make a great Schlafly.

218 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:34:04pm

re: #216 Gus 802

Fabio can be the governor of California.

/

A big haired Ahnod.

219 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:35:00pm

re: #203 Decatur Deb

We're never going to find a Bachmann.

Shelley Duvall.

220 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:35:01pm

re: #215 researchok

Although the included statistics showed that district court candidates nominated by Bush were being confirmed at a higher rate than those similarly situated candidates nominated by Presidents Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton in their first term, it also showed that Bush's success rate at getting circuit court of appeals nominees confirmed during his first term (67%) was less than those of Reagan (85%) and Clinton (71%).

You realize this doesn't in the least bit prove your point, right?

District court nominees confirmed at a higher rate. Circuit court at a lower. Big whoops.

Compare that to the huge, unprecedented obstructionism of the GOP.

And of course it's about the numbers. That's what we're talking about: the precedence of obstructionism. If you want to make a different argument, do so, but don't make an equivalence argument about things that are not equivalent. And you were still wrong to say that the obstruction of confirmations had been increasing every year. What you posted did not contradict that.

221 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:35:12pm

I also submit we invite Obdi to Reality Party Inaugural.

222 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:35:37pm

re: #218 researchok

A big haired Ahnod.

With Mel Gibson as Amadinnerjacket.

223 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:35:55pm

re: #221 researchok

We're going to have to agree on reality, first.

224 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:36:40pm

re: #220 Obdicut

You realize this doesn't in the least bit prove your point, right?

District court nominees confirmed at a higher rate. Circuit court at a lower. Big whoops.

Compare that to the huge, unprecedented obstructionism of the GOP.

And of course it's about the numbers. That's what we're talking about: the precedence of obstructionism. If you want to make a different argument, do so, but don't make an equivalence argument about things that are not equivalent. And you were still wrong to say that the obstruction of confirmations had been increasing every year. What you posted did not contradict that.

OK, you win.

Dems have never been obstructionists.

/

225 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:37:19pm

re: #223 Obdicut

We're going to have to agree on reality, first.

OK, you can be in charge of that.

226 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:38:02pm

re: #222 Gus 802

With Mel Gibson as Amadinnerjacket.

That is perfect, on so many levels.

227 Gus  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:38:18pm

Hmmm. I don't know. Adam Sandler might be the perfect Michelle Bachman.

Image: 1012-adam-sandler-inf-1-credit.jpg

228 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:38:28pm

re: #224 researchok

OK, you win.

Dems have never been obstructionists.

/

That is not what I said.

What I said, and what is true, is that the level of GOP obstructionism is unprecedented, and basically exponentially so. I've demonstrated this. I never claimed that that the Democrats weren't obstructionist.

229 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:39:23pm

re: #228 Obdicut

That is not what I said.

What I said, and what is true, is that the level of GOP obstructionism is unprecedented, and basically exponentially so. I've demonstrated this. I never claimed that that the Democrats weren't obstructionist.

Obdi, with each successive change in House majorities, obstructionism of one form or another escalates.

230 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:40:23pm

re: #200 Gus 802

David Spade as Sharron Angle.

I advocate for extreme artistic license: former lizard Rodan plays Pam Geller.

231 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:40:46pm

re: #227 Gus 802

Hmmm. I don't know. Adam Sandler might be the perfect Michelle Bachman.

Image: 1012-adam-sandler-inf-1-credit.jpg

Good.

My first thought when I saw that was 'so that's O'Donnell is 10 years'.

232 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:41:05pm

re: #229 researchok

Obdi, with each successive change in House majorities, obstructionism of one form or another escalates.

But this is not factually true. The blocking of confirmations, for example, hasn't risen. I've shown this. What you are saying simply isn't true, and you haven't supported it. Your one bit of 'support' showed that confirmation of one kind of judge fell, and another kind rose.

Why do you expect me to respect this opinion of yours if you provide zero support for it, and I have evidence to the contrary?

233 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:42:35pm

I am so loving this iMac. Wireless keyboard and mouse, no tower, big screen, aesthetic. Love it.

234 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:44:18pm

re: #232 Obdicut

But this is not factually true. The blocking of confirmations, for example, hasn't risen. I've shown this. What you are saying simply isn't true, and you haven't supported it. Your one bit of 'support' showed that confirmation of one kind of judge fell, and another kind rose.

Why do you expect me to respect this opinion of yours if you provide zero support for it, and I have evidence to the contrary?

I gave you one example- and I have said before, it's not simply about numbers. It's about attitude and arrogance found on either side of the aisle.

As a snapshot, when 23 out of 23 nominees are blocked, I'd say that represents a pretty example of obstructionism.

235 darthstar  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:45:02pm

re: #233 eclectic infidel

I am so loving this iMac. Wireless keyboard and mouse, no tower, big screen, aesthetic. Love it.

Yes, but does it play Windows?

236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:50:33pm

re: #233 eclectic infidel

I am so loving this iMac. Wireless keyboard and mouse, no tower, big screen, aesthetic. Love it.

you guys and your computer aesthetics are very strange to me :D


aesthetic: piles of backup drives, three wires coming out of tablet monitor one, some going to laptop, also extra keyvboard, also separate tablet PC from 2006 for accessing backup drive for reference, oh yeah and there's a fucked up older tower in the corner with some older art on it I should probably get to that someday

did I mention the three (old) printers, including the seven year old 14x17" format inkjet? :D

237 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:56:00pm

re: #234 researchok

As a snapshot, when 23 out of 23 nominees are blocked, I'd say that represents a pretty example of obstructionism.

That is not what that says. It says 23 nominees are blocked. It doesn't say total number.

238 Lidane  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 3:59:10pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

Hunter S. Thompson could have done it with both hands tied behind his back. Geller and Spencer are tailor made for HST's drug-fueled rants and invective.

Oh, how I miss that man and always will. He was awesome.

239 researchok  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 4:37:13pm

That re: #237 Obdicut

That is not what that says. It says 23 nominees are blocked. It doesn't say total number.

George W. Bush judicial appointment controversies

During his presidency, Bush also nominated 23 people for 23 different federal district judgeships who were never confirmed by the United States Senate.

240 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 4:37:59pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Tom Cruise as Glenn Beck.

Crazy comes easy to him.

/

Yes it does. I have to admit his scenes in "Tropical Thunder" were brilliant. But it did seem just a wee bit too natural.

241 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 4:40:53pm

A bit more on Herr Iott, from the Toledo Blade:

Local NAACP President WilliAnn Moore added her voice to the criticism of Mr. Iott and said the latest revelation adds to her organization's concern that the candidate does not support the Civil Rights act of 1964.

During a Sept. 27 debate with Miss Kaptur, Mr. Iott said he was not sure if he would have supported the act at the time, in that context. However, he did defend a more general right that he said was infused in the Constitution, that all people should enjoy equal rights in public situations.

Where have we heard that before?

242 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:39:58pm

re: #239 researchok

Yes. That doesn't say that those were the only 23 he nominated.

243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 5:44:48pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

I GUESS they're equal, jeeez, I mean if they're on the SIDEWALK MAYBE

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:45:16pm

re: #26 negativ

William S. Burroughs is more like it.

Speaking of crazy birthers, now they want a presidential DNA sample. (insert Clinton joke here)

What do they think they could possibly do with a DNA sample?

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:53:46pm

re: #86 WindUpBird

Eh. I'm used to people like Geller. Jerry Falwell was actually way worse than Geller.

Geller has a blog, Falwell had far more pull, and was just as horrible

Chris Hitchens expressed my feelings perfectly when Falwell died, look it up, it's good stuff :D

Shmuley Boteach defended Falwell. Eulogized him. Did a whole apology routine.

Mr. "Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions," Falwell.

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:59:51pm

re: #132 eclectic infidel

The warm and fuzzy article about Ms Geller was the same one used to demonstrate to me that Ms Geller is being unfairly targeted by "pro-Islamists." This same person mimics the bigotry promoted by Geller, right down to the rhetoric. My opposition was met with hostility and accusations of ignorance. Ms Geller is definitely having an affect on those looking for a group to hate on.

She provides the dazzle and the paranoia, Spencer provides the facts. Together, they add up to one great ball of foaming rhetoric.

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:00:14pm

re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist

She provides the dazzle and the paranoia, Spencer provides the facts. Together, they add up to one great ball of foaming rhetoric.

"Facts" was supposed to be in quotes, but you probably guessed that.

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:01:43pm

re: #140 Gus 802

Joaquin Phoenix as Robert Spencer? Either him or Danny DeVito.

DeVito.

249 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:26:59pm

re: #25 Obdicut

And real freaks like Wayne Allyn Root, who tries to cast doubt on whether Obama was actually at Columbia, and, if so, if he was just involved in radical black politics 24/7.

[Link: reason.com...]

That'd be Wayne Allen Root, the VP on the Libertarian Party ticket in 2008.

One of my friends was attending Columbia Law at the same time as Obama, although not in the same graduating class, and says he remembered him "because you didn't see that many black guys that tall and skinny on campus, period".

250 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:47:55pm

re: #109 Decatur Deb

Yup. That's all silly stuff R-rated or less. I don't care if he's been screwing Paladino's goat, but I'm not a Republican Ohio voter.

Iott would get a lot of votes in my district, even if it is three hours from the district Iott is running in (Marcy Kaptur). Fortunately, most Ohio voters, whether in Kaptur's district or not, are a little more enlightened than that.

251 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:58:57pm

re: #185 Decatur Deb

If only we had W.C. Fields for Biden.

Nah, that's a Harpo role. Margaret Dumont as Sharron Angle. Zeppo as Harry Reid. Chico as Rahm Emanuel. Groucho as himself--

or if Groucho were ever to be a Republican (he was a devoted Dem supporter)--

252 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:59:25pm

Well, I screwed that up. To heck with it, I'm going to bed.

253 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 12, 2010 11:49:35pm

re: #1 wrenchwench

Oh, frabjous day!

Callouh, Callah!

254 Steve Dutch  Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:46:02am

Equality is not balance unless the two things being discussed are actually equal. A balanced treatment of creationism would spend 95% of its time exposing creationist fraud and incompetence. A balanced treatment of Pamela Geller would spend the vast majority of its time recounting her stupid statements.


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