Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer: The EDL’s American Apologists

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Harry’s Place has an excellent post by Alexander Meleagrou-Hitchens on the repellent English Defence League (the xenophobic British gang supported and promoted by both Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer): The EDL’s American Apologists.

It’s a good follow-up to my piece for the Guardian, getting deeper into the EDL’s history of associations with groups like the violent neo-Nazi movement “Blood and Honor.”

Meleagrou-Hitchens posts this horrific video showing the thugs of the EDL at their recent rally in Leicester, terrorizing and attacking a restaurant full of Asian families. It’s sickening.

Youtube Video

These are Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer’s allies at work, and this is what Geller and Spencer are working to bring to America.

When faced with the ever-mounting evidence of far-right thuggery at their rallies, the EDL leadership and their apologists often try to wriggle out by claiming that the rally was ‘hijacked’ by extremists who don’t represent the movement. In an email to Newsweek’s Declassified blog (which ran a story about her support for the EDL), Geller defended the EDL in precisely these terms, writing: ‘The left and real neo-Nazis frequently attempt to infiltrate EDL rallies in order to discredit the EDL.’ This is just not good enough. If a Muslim group that claimed to be moderate had regular appearances by al-Muhajiroun (or, to take a US example, Revolution Muslim) at their rallies, something tells me that the EDL, Geller and company would not be so ready to excuse this.

Geller’s ally Robert Spencer also attempts to defend the EDL in a response to Johnson’s piece:

I don’t believe they’re [the EDL] neo-fascist white supremacists, as Johnson claims. There is no way that Pamela Geller or I would ever work with, endorse, or approve of any genuine neo-fascist or white supremacist individual or group in any way, shape or form.

Spencer has also defended the EDL as patriots who ‘stand for freedom’, and reproduces materials from their official website. If Spencer were to apply a tenth of the amount of online research he does on Muslims to the EDL, he would find that his claims about the group are simply wrong.

I have to differ with Alexander here; I think both Spencer and Geller know full well who their allies are, what they do, and what they stand for.

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291 comments
1 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:01:28pm

I have always been impressed by, and quite grateful for, your firm and vocal stance in not siding with fascist groups like this Charles. It's speaks great volumes about your integrity.

It also speaks great volumes about Spencer's and Geller's complete lack of it, that they would align with and make excuses for such assholes.

2 Henchman 25  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:07:40pm

They were obliviously stopping a cult of secret asian muslim jihadis.

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3 Summer Seale  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:09:31pm

Anyone who cannot see what the first few seconds reminds sane people of is a fucking ignorant Nazi themselves.

4 webevintage  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:12:43pm

Going after families having a bite...I'm speechless and a bit nauseous...

5 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:14:22pm

Geller and company's obsession with Nazi revering thugs only goes to show that she has more in common with Hizbollah and Hamas than she does with most of the civilized world.

Yeah, Charles Johnson is the problem.

'Any psychosis left untreated, escalates'.

Behold the psychological devolution of Pamela Geller.

6 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:15:53pm

The video is chilling. The people in the restaurant have no idea what's happening. It must have been terrifying.
As a possible tie in to the previous thread: Big John's is a small chain in the UK that serves halal food.

7 Henchman 25  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:16:02pm

re: #2 SteelPH

They were obviously stopping a cult of secret asian muslim jihadis.

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PIMF

8 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:16:19pm

I look forward to the day when the UK bans both Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller from entering the country. In fact I would encourage them to do so.

9 Jadespring  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:16:43pm

re: #4 webevintage

Going after families having a bite...I'm speechless and a bit nauseous...

Me too.

Nothing like an actual play by play video to show what all their words in action really mean in the real world.

Sick.

10 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:17:16pm

A little comic relief from the same protest....
Racist EDL Member Makes A Fool Out Of Himself

Youtube Video
11 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:19:20pm

Oh, they know. They just pretend they don't know what scum they are allying themselves with. It keeps them from upsetting people that don't take too hard a look at them.

Off topic: WTF is up with YouTube these days? It doesn't load smoothly any more and the constant stopping and starting is very annoying.

12 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:20:14pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Ah, nothing like watching idiots hurt themselves.
XD

13 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:20:24pm

Just lowered the boom on 'spidly' the stalker at the Guardian.

He was claiming he was banned just for disagreeing, as usual. So I checked, and he was actually banned after posting a comment speculating about killing Barack Obama's adviser Rahm Emmanuel and his brother.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

14 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:21:55pm
There is no way that Pamela Geller or I would ever work with, endorse, or approve of any genuine neo-fascist or white supremacist individual or group in any way, shape or form.

What a crock of shit Robert Spencer, you work with them all the time. Every time you've gone to Europe some have been present at your rallies. The uncovering of these creeps has gone on now for four years, yet you turn your eyes the other way and pretend that they don't exist on your blog, in SIOE, in SIOA, and all of the other groups the Eurofascist blogs you work through. You can pretend all you want, we know better and the press is beginning to see you for what you are.

15 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:23:12pm

I see no real difference between these assholes and the black bloc anarchists. Great company y'all keep, Spencer and Geller.

16 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:24:40pm

re: #13 Charles

Just lowered the boom on 'spidly' the stalker at the Guardian.

He was claiming he was banned just for disagreeing, as usual. So I checked, and he was actually banned after posting a comment speculating about killing Barack Obama's adviser Rahm Emmanuel and his brother.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

He's just so 'misunderstood'.

And damn you for bringing up reality.

17 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:24:57pm

Alexander Meleagrou-Hitchens, by the way, is Christopher Hitchens's son.

18 Jadespring  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:25:32pm

re: #16 researchok

He's just so 'misunderstood'.

And damn you for bringing up reality.

Reality bites.

19 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:25:56pm

re: #17 Charles

Alexander Meleagrou-Hitchens, by the way, is Christopher Hitchens's son.

Ah, I didn't know that. Cool.

20 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:26:29pm
Here at Focus on Islamism, we know that Geller follows our coverage of her – last time I blogged about her refusal to cancel her 9/11 rally, she called for me to be sacked from Standpoint and lambasted me as an apologist for radical Islam (she also misspelled my name, but to be honest I can’t really blame her). So, I provide the video again for her perusal, and eagerly await a response:

Good follow up for Thursday's article at Comment is free. Some stalkers are going to get behind in their naps.

21 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:26:47pm

re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth

I see no real difference between these assholes and the black bloc anarchists. Great company y'all keep, Spencer and Geller.

22 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:27:12pm

Britain has benefited so, so, so damn much from the immigration of so many Pakistani professionals. The civil service, the hospitals, the businesses have all seen huge benefits from educated, willing, able Pakistani-- incidentally Muslim-- people coming to the UK for a better chance for their families. For more freedom, more liberality.

What have these soccer thugs, these brutal yobbos, these white supremacist fucks done for the UK they claim to adore? Sponge off the dole, mostly, get arrested for petty assault.

The average UK resident of Pakistani descent is far more a credit to the UK than any of this fascist freaks.

23 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:28:52pm

re: #17 Charles

Explains the propensity to cut through the bullshit.

24 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:30:14pm

Crazy Pam is railing against multiculturalism again today. She Links to this video....

Youtube Video

Uploaded by her fellow bigots called European News who also upload antisemitic videos along with the rest of thier racist crap. Video titles such as....

Gypsys raped 12 year old girl in Slovenian

Turkish immigrants attack police

Jewish extremists in France

25 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:32:30pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Jewish extremists in France

Youtube Video

Jewish radical extremist group in France. They physically attack people who dare to oppose Israel, zionism or the genocide of Palestinians performed by Jews.

This is Pam's source for anti-Muslim videos.

26 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:32:45pm

re: #22 Obdicut

Britain has benefited so, so, so damn much from the immigration of so many Pakistani professionals. The civil service, the hospitals, the businesses have all seen huge benefits from educated, willing, able Pakistani-- incidentally Muslim-- people coming to the UK for a better chance for their families. For more freedom, more liberality.

What have these soccer thugs, these brutal yobbos, these white supremacist fucks done for the UK they claim to adore? Sponge off the dole, mostly, get arrested for petty assault.

The average UK resident of Pakistani descent is far more a credit to the UK than any of this fascist freaks.

I have no issue whatsoever with exposing and dealing with the growing threat of radical Islamism. In fact, i endorse the idea.

That said, to conflate the notions of Islam as beiong part and parcel of radical Islamism is absurd, racist and hateful.

The vast majority of Muslims in Britain are law abiding. Are there violent, dangerous and radical Muslims? Yes, there are- but they are small in number and by a wide margin rejected by British Muslims.

If there is a reason the radicals (almost universally first generation immigrants) seem to thrive it is in no small measure because of their own stupidity and the irrational hate embodied by the likes of the EDL and similar groups on the continent.

27 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:34:07pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

When cultures mix beautiful things happen

Youtube Video
28 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:35:29pm

re: #26 researchok

It's also that, if someone moves to the UK from Pakistan, there is one thing that's definitely true about them: They moved from a society where Islam is the dominant religious and cultural (and political, really) force, to a place where they are a minority in every way.

I don't get the assumption, by Geller and the rest, that they're doing so in order to promote their old way of life. To me, the default assumption would be that they were unsatisfied with their old life, their old country, their old way of life, and are accepting that this multicultural society they're moving into is better.

29 Jadespring  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:36:07pm

re: #26 researchok


If there is a reason the radicals (almost universally first generation immigrants) seem to thrive it is in no small measure because of their own stupidity and the irrational hate embodied by the likes of the EDL and similar groups on the continent.

There a lot of truth to the cliche- hate begets hate. If it goes on it can fall into a vicious cycle where 'who started it' gets lost in the mire.

30 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:38:18pm

spidly is spin-spin spinning away.
Pathetic little creature.

31 Randall Gross  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:42:10pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

I guess she just missed all the anti-roma /anti gypsy vids in the sidebar there. Or maybe the -_-__- just doesn't care anymore.

32 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:47:40pm

re: #28 Obdicut

It's also that, if someone moves to the UK from Pakistan, there is one thing that's definitely true about them: They moved from a society where Islam is the dominant religious and cultural (and political, really) force, to a place where they are a minority in every way.

I don't get the assumption, by Geller and the rest, that they're doing so in order to promote their old way of life. To me, the default assumption would be that they were unsatisfied with their old life, their old country, their old way of life, and are accepting that this multicultural society they're moving into is better.

It's a complicated issue. I have written on this before.

What you say used to be true- people left to start over, etc. Whereas before when you left, you left. Mail took weeks, phone calls were expensive and rare and the New World exposed you to new ideas.

Nowadays it is different. Email takes minutes. what was taught in the Old Country is taught in the New Place- curricula, religious sermons as well as radical political ideology. Technology makes it difficult for parents to give their kids that 'new life' and 'new start'.

The issue is really one of integration versus assimilation.

We can choose to assimilate as much or as little as we want into society.

The Amish, Hasidic Jews, or Pennsylvania Dutch are examples of groups who choose to limit their assimilation with prevalent culture.

Integration is another matter entirely, because it denotes the acceptance of the rules that govern society- everything from stop light and speeding tickets to taxes and political participation. There is an understanding that in western democracies, we are all equal- no special status is given to religious, ethnic or racial groups.

This more than anything, fuels the radicals, that somehow they are not special, that they have to stand in line like everyone else- that they are being denied God's intention for them.

This is a long, long conversation.

33 Lidane  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:50:30pm

I couldn't make it past the first 30 seconds of that video. Those folks in the restaurant must have been terrified.

What a bunch of assholes. And this is who Spencer and Geller are wanting to bring here? No thanks.

34 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:51:48pm

re: #31 Thanos

She clearly has no problem breaking bread with fascists, and making excuses for them. I suspect she cares for nothing more than she cares for her anti-muslim campaign.

35 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:54:12pm

re: #30 Varek Raith

spidly is spin-spin spinning away.
Pathetic little creature.

The freak will probably be at it until 1 AM. There's a common pathology with the banned and that is a narcissistic personality. For them "it's all about me" and as you can see the primary topic revolves on them or others being banned.

36 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:00:13pm

The video at the end of the post at Harry's Place has Geller looking her best [/] and sounding her stupidest. She says, "The Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, it's almost a religious document."

37 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:00:51pm

re: #35 Gus 802

The freak will probably be at it until 1 AM. There's a common pathology with the banned and that is a narcissistic personality. For them "it's all about me" and as you can see the primary topic revolves on them or others being banned.

They are victims. Surefire way to appear sympathetic, they believe.

Just like the 'noble' Palestinians- they are only striking back at their big, bad and evil persecutors. They will lie and misrepresent the truth about CJ and his beliefs.

CJ and LGF are the Israelis and Jews of their world. Every kind of deceit is fair game. After all, they are doing God's work.

38 William of Orange  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:01:13pm

Pamela and Rob should have a forced lecture from these prophets.

Youtube Video

Lyrics here.

39 William of Orange  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:03:11pm

Off topic:
About that post above, this is hilarious:

Thou shalt not go into the woods with your boyfriend's best friend, take drugs and cheat on him.
40 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:04:15pm

re: #37 researchok

To be clear, 'CJ and LGF are the Israelis and Jews of their world. Every kind of deceit directed against them is fair game. After all, they are doing God's work.

41 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:06:20pm

My Italian great grandpa would never go back to Italy. He was an American. "When will you go back," they asked him, after he made good here. "When they build a bridge," he said. I agree with him. It is better here, and it is usually better to assimilate. On my block we have both descendants of Serbs and of Croats. In the old country they would be killing each other. Here, we have a block party & we all have a good time.

Hats off to Charles for trying to keep the Old World over there.

42 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:10:24pm

re: #31 Thanos

I guess she just missed all the anti-roma /anti gypsy vids in the sidebar there. Or maybe the -_-__- just doesn't care anymore.

I'm pretty sure Robert Spencer knows what he's doing. Pam is not a smart person and I suspect she's convinced herself that her new friends wouldn't deport/kill her and the other Jews if they actually came into power. Maybe she think they'll be satisfied once they get rid of the muslims, gypsies and Africans.

43 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:11:23pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

G. Soros has helped fund efforts to improve the lot of the Roma by the way.

44 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:12:07pm

My oh my. And so it begins.

Merkel says German multicultural society has failed

Attempts to build a multicultural society in Germany have "utterly failed", Chancellor Angela Merkel says.

In a speech in Potsdam, she said the so-called "multikulti" concept - where people would "live side-by-side" happily - did not work.

Mrs Merkel's comments come amid recent outpourings of strong anti-immigrant feeling from mainstream politicians.

A recent survey showed that more than 30% of Germans believed Germany was "overrun by foreigners".

The study - by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation think-tank - also showed that roughly the same number thought that some 16 million of Germany's immigrants or people with foreign origins had come to the country for the social benefits.

Continues.

45 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:13:42pm

re: #44 Gus 802

She listens to American talk radio?
/half

46 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:13:44pm

re: #44 Gus 802

"Auchtung."

(loosely meaning "watch out.")

47 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:17:25pm

re: #46 Ojoe

"Auchtung."

(loosely meaning "watch out.")

Survey: 17% of Germans believe Jews have 'too much influence'

One in 10 Germans want 'new Fuehrer to lead the country with iron fist'; every third German believes foreign immigrants should be expelled if unemployment becomes problem

The "other" Germany - Sixty-five years have passed since the end of the Second World War, but even today it would seem that many Germans still cling to the prejudice and racism which the Nazi party identified with.

A new poll conducted by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation for Political Education, a foundation with close ties to the German Social Democratic party, has found that one in 10 Germans wants "a new Fuehrer to lead the country with an iron fist", and that every third German thinks all foreign immigrants should be expelled from Germany if unemployment becomes a problem. The poll consisted of 2,500 people of different ages. The results were announced on Wednesday.

Some 25% of all respondents expressed racist opinions, and 15.9% said they somewhat understood why a Fuehrer needed to be appointed; 58% of the participants claimed that Germany needed to curb the traditional Muslim lifestyle. As for anti-Semitism, 17.2% of the survey's participants supported the statement that "Jews have too much influence in the world today".

48 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:19:11pm

re: #44 Gus 802

My oh my. And so it begins.

Merkel says German multicultural society has failed

It is a very troubling trend which seems to have been accelerated by the economic crisis. We'll have to wait and see how far this goes.

49 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:19:43pm

Have to keep an eye on this. We know what happened the last time Germany "fell". More on this:

Merkel says non-German speakers are "not welcome".

Merkel went on to say that immigrants living in Germany needed to do more to integrate, including learning to speak German. "Anyone who does not immediately speak German", she said, "is not welcome".

50 Dom  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:20:50pm

It is very common knowledge the EDL was founded by and is still being populated by "football firms". Football firms, for some reason, follow their teams around and organise violence against supporters of other teams, and premeditated racist assaults. I do not understand the politics of that. I agree with Charles that in the inevitably extensive communications Geller and Spencer have had with the EDL this will have been clear.

51 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:22:44pm

I just listened to a local top 40 station (I had hit 'scan')... heard the worst fucking excuse for a piece of music I've ever heard. I know I could have changed the channel... but I was determined to make it all the way through.

It was a song that leaned greatly on Auto-tune (which I hate as much as Pamela appears to hate Muslims) and the Buggles' classic "Video Killed the Radio Star".

It honestly made me angry.

Sorry... just had to get that off my chest.

52 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:24:37pm

re: #49 Gus 802

Have to keep an eye on this. We know what happened the last time Germany "fell". More on this:

Merkel says non-German speakers are "not welcome".

Merkel went on to say that immigrants living in Germany needed to do more to integrate, including learning to speak German. "Anyone who does not immediately speak German", she said, "is not welcome".

In fairness to Merkel, she also stated that Muslims are an integral part of Germany.

Her big beef is the concerted effort not to integrate. This is not so simple.

53 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:27:05pm

re: #51 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just listened to a local top 40 station (I had hit 'scan')... heard the worst fucking excuse for a piece of music I've ever heard. I know I could have changed the channel... but I was determined to make it all the way through.

It was a song that leaned greatly on Auto-tune (which I hate as much as Pamela appears to hate Muslims) and the Buggles' classic "Video Killed the Radio Star".

It honestly made me angry.

Sorry... just had to get that off my chest.

Hi Veggie...You just need to put da lime in da coconut and drink it up

54 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:27:30pm

re: #49 Gus 802

Gus, see this from Der Spiegel.

55 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:27:46pm

re: #52 researchok

In fairness to Merkel, she also stated that Muslims are an integral part of Germany.

Her big beef is the concerted effort not to integrate. This is not so simple.

True. But you know how people are selective listeners and are led with sound bites. The words they will hear is "multikulti ist kaput".

56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:29:01pm

re: #53 HoosierHoops

Harry Nilsson? He could actually sing.

57 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:29:41pm

re: #54 researchok

Gus, see this from Der Spiegel.

Thanks. Well, we'll see what happens. It won't play out for a while.

58 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:30:18pm

re: #55 Gus 802

True. But you know how people are selective listeners and are led with sound bites. The words they will hear is "multikulti ist kaput".

Oh yeah, you hit that nail on the head.

59 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:34:59pm

re: #58 researchok

Oh yeah, you hit that nail on the head.

It could go in any direction. To me this might signal the rightests in Germany to intensify their anti-immigration movements. This is an example of a sound bite from Twitter. It's not rightest but it gives us an idea:

Merkel: Multiculturalism failed miserably: German chancellor takes harsh stance against immigrants, says they shou... [Link: bit.ly...]

60 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:35:22pm

Effing cowards.

You know what I never see, and I mean this on a personal experience level? These bigoted thugs—like thugs the world over—always look for targets who they think are defenseless and unlikely to fight back. ALWAYS.

Nine times out of then when someone has said something ugly to me in the street about being Muslim, it has been either a man or a group of 2 or 3 men (I'm a woman for those of you who may not know that yet). With one exception they've always done it when I'm alone. In the one case where I wasn't alone, I was with another woman walking down the street and the guy was safely ensconced in his work truck and able to quickly drive away.

You know what I've never seen or heard of? One of these jackasses (or a group of them) sauntering up unarmed to a physically fit Muslim man of equal size & age (or a group of them) and mouthing off or instigating violence.

They don't behave like men, they behave like mangy, opportunistic street curs whose "courage" is dependent upon the superiority of their strength in numbers when compared to the number and vulnerability of their intended victim(s).

I'm waiting for the day that I hear about a group of these EDL idiots marching up to an equally rabid group of radical jihadi Islamists and duking it out one-on-one. It isn't going to happen. Neither of those groups operate on concepts of justice or fair play.

61 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:37:10pm

re: #60 CuriousLurker

Well said!


Though, I still can't believe women are on the interwebz./
:)

62 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:39:29pm

re: #60 CuriousLurker

You know what I've never seen or heard of? One of these jackasses (or a group of them) sauntering up unarmed to a physically fit Muslim man of equal size & age (or a group of them) and mouthing off or instigating violence.

There is but little virtue in the action of masses of men.

- HENRY DAVID THOREAU

63 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:39:52pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

Well said!

Though, I still can't believe women are on the interwebz./
:)

Heh, thanks. I think... ;o)

64 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:39:59pm

re: #59 Gus 802

It could go in any direction. To me this might signal the rightests in Germany to intensify their anti-immigration movements. This is an example of a sound bite from Twitter. It's not rightest but it gives us an idea:

Searching for Facts in Germany's Integration Debate

There is also no question that a lot of immigrants have become expert at exploiting the welfare system and in these economic times, that coupled with some pretty inflammatory rhetoric has contributed to the antagonism.

It is interesting that immigrants who come here want to work and get ahead. That's not always the case in Europe.

65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:40:02pm

re: #60 CuriousLurker

You have a talent for writing. You know that?

It is just as unlikely that PETA will protest leather in a biker bar.

66 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:40:32pm

re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You have a talent for writing. You know that?

It is just as unlikely that PETA will protest leather in a biker bar.


I'd pay to see that!

67 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:40:56pm

re: #47 Gus 802

Not good at all.

& if it becomes a mess over there again, I don't think the USA has the guts anymore to help, maybe I am wrong about that.

68 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:41:08pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

There is but little virtue in the action of masses of men.

- HENRY DAVID THOREAU

So true. That quote's a keeper; thanks.

69 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:41:30pm

re: #60 CuriousLurker

That sucks.. I've seen groups of guys acting like assholes to women of every race creed and color..
Kind regards

70 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:41:45pm

re: #67 Ojoe

Not good at all.

& if it becomes a mess over there again, I don't think the USA has the guts anymore to help, maybe I am wrong about that.

More like, "Dammit, not this shit again. Fuck it, you deal with it"
/Country Flounce!

71 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:41:48pm

re: #64 researchok

Searching for Facts in Germany's Integration Debate

There is also no question that a lot of immigrants have become expert at exploiting the welfare system and in these economic times, that coupled with some pretty inflammatory rhetoric has contributed to the antagonism.

It is interesting that immigrants who come here want to work and get ahead. That's not always the case in Europe.

The USA has a long history of natural integration. Despite much of our troubled past. No it is not 100 percent but I think it's much higher than Germany for example.

72 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:42:10pm

re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Or that PETA will suddenly understand that in order to grow an acre of weat, you have to till the soil-- killing lots of little rabbits, mice, groundhogs, woodchucks, and moles-- and then have to thresh the wheat-- killing lots of rabbits, mice, groundhogs, woodchucks, and moles.

I have no problem with people who want to be vegetarian for health reasons, or to reduce the amount of animal suffering necessary to bring them their meal. But I have very little tolerance for those who think there's no animal suffering involved in raising crops.

73 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:43:14pm

re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You have a talent for writing. You know that?

Only when I get fired up about something, but thanks.

It is just as unlikely that PETA will protest leather in a biker bar.

LMAO—you got that right!

74 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:43:28pm

re: #71 Gus 802

The USA has a long history of natural integration. Despite much of our troubled past. No it is not 100 percent but I think it's much higher than Germany for example.

A large part of it, a huge part of it, is that we don't have citizenship through blood, but through birth. That law, which so many ignorant fucks want to overturn, is a prime reason the US remains strong, remains a place where people can assimilate, where we can draw strength from cultures while remaining us.

75 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:43:29pm

re: #72 Obdicut

"Plants and animals died to make room for your fat ass."

—bumper sticker.

76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:43:44pm

re: #68 CuriousLurker

You can quote it to the next idiot. I'm sure he'll know who Thoreau is. And I'm sure he'll know what the quote means.
/

77 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:44:09pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

Well said!

Though, I still can't believe women are on the interwebz./
:)

"She's" actually a 53 year old Rastafarian man. You heard it here first.
/

78 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:44:09pm

re: #69 HoosierHoops

That sucks.. I've seen groups of guys acting like assholes to women of every race creed and color..
Kind regards

Yep, me too. They're opportunistic cowards one and all.

79 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:44:24pm

re: #74 Obdicut

In a way we adopt every baby born here.

80 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:45:28pm

re: #71 Gus 802

The USA has a long history of natural integration. Despite much of our troubled past. No it is not 100 percent but I think it's much higher than Germany for example.

It has to do with our multicultural nature. We are a melange, the proverbial melting pot. There is no discernible typical 'American'.

Europe was and remains a lot more tribal that even she would care to admit. The kind of bigotry we see in Europe now isn't new at all. Europe is just reverting to type.

Post war guilt and the influx of refugees hasn't changed that.

81 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:45:43pm

re: #74 Obdicut

A large part of it, a huge part of it, is that we don't have citizenship through blood, but through birth. That law, which so many ignorant fucks want to overturn, is a prime reason the US remains strong, remains a place where people can assimilate, where we can draw strength from cultures while remaining us.

Right. Anyone that comes to the USA and becomes a citizen becomes an American. Race, previous nationality, etc. does not become the primary identity.

82 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:45:57pm

re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You can quote it to the next idiot. I'm sure he'll know who Thoreau is. And I'm sure he'll know what the quote means.
/

Heh.

BTW, how are you doing? I know you've had a lot going on.

83 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:46:03pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

More like, "Dammit, not this shit again. Fuck it, you deal with it"
/Country Flounce!

A National Flouncer!

84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:46:14pm

re: #75 Ojoe

"Plants and animals died to make room for your my fat ass."

—bumper sticker.

Kind of what that should say... a bit holier than thou the other way...

85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:47:15pm

re: #82 CuriousLurker

About to snap... but thanks for asking.

86 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:47:41pm

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kind of what that should say... a bit holier than thou the other way...

Did you finish cleaning the marble toilets in my Ivory Tower yet?
Didn't think so.
BACK TO WORK!
/

87 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:47:56pm

re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

{Fat Bastard}

88 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:48:03pm

re: #72 Obdicut

Wheat is murder!

89 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:48:11pm

re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

About to snap... but thanks for asking.

Well, hopefully my "humor" will ease the edge?

90 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:48:30pm

re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

About to snap... but thanks for asking.

Hang in there. I'll say an extra prayer for you & yours (if you don't mind).

91 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:57:00pm

So that we don't forget that It Can Happen Here:

The German-American Bund

92 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:57:57pm

BBL

93 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 3:58:17pm

The stalkers are working in shifts now at the Guardian. Another one just posted a long rant full of outright lies and distortions.

Why they got to go all up in there and do me like that?

94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:02:10pm

re: #90 CuriousLurker

I truly appreciate it. Thanks, friend.

95 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:02:33pm

re: #93 Charles
For the same reason people climb Mt Everest; beacuse it is there.

96 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:03:59pm

re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I truly appreciate it. Thanks, friend.

My pleasure. {FBV}

97 jaunte  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:04:21pm

re: #93 Charles

They just can't get you out of their heads.

98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:05:13pm

re: #88 Slumbering Behemoth

Wow! I admire those guys who walk down the street with little brushes in front of themselves to move the bugs...

Hell... I kill a thousand critters (insects) a day with my windshield and grill.

Crickets but, hopefully not cricket players.

99 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:05:19pm

re: #93 Charles

This bit was funny:

punish those who don't praise (upding) him or the chosen inner circle (some are more equal than others), reward people who attack other sites at 3AM

I want a hot cocoa sampler box.

I also didn't know that one of Kim Jong Il's tactics was 'reavealing gmail strings'. That bastard!

It's hard to take such over-the-top posts in the least bit seriously. The people writing them, of course, take them really seriously.

100 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:05:49pm

re: #91 Obdicut

So that we don't forget that It Can Happen Here:

The German-American Bund

And they better not forget what can happen here...

Image: knonwwwiiinternmentfacilitiesy.png

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:08:50pm

I am watching a really crappy Stallone movie.

you ask... which one...

Lock Up.

I have no idea why I am watching this...

102 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:09:50pm

re: #101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

'Cuz it's better than watching a really crappy Carrot Top movie?

103 TedStriker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:10:27pm

re: #93 Charles

The stalkers are working in shifts now at the Guardian. Another one just posted a long rant full of outright lies and distortions.

Why they got to go all up in there and do me like that?

Because they have no lives...and tiny brains/hearts/genitalia.

104 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:10:37pm

re: #102 Slumbering Behemoth

Carrot Top made a movie? *grimace*

105 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:11:31pm

re: #100 Walter L. Newton

I believe David ben Gurion said, "Forgive but never forget." Some unfortunately have already forgotten.

106 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:11:33pm

re: #104 CuriousLurker

Carrot Top made a movie? *grimace*

Would you pay money to see Carrot Top featured in the "Saw" series?

107 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:12:17pm

re: #105 PhillyPretzel

I believe David ben Gurion said, "Forgive but never forget." Some unfortunately have already forgotten.

Or they've not forgotten and think what happened was good...

:(

108 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:12:20pm

re: #106 oaktree

Would you pay money to see Carrot Top featured in the "Saw" series?

Now that I might pay for. LOL

109 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:12:33pm

re: #104 CuriousLurker

Carrot Top made a movie? *grimace*

/yes but it was only intended to be shown for enhanced interrogation purposes ...

110 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:12:45pm

re: #99 Obdicut

This bit was funny:

I want a hot cocoa sampler box.

I also didn't know that one of Kim Jong Il's tactics was 'reavealing gmail strings'. That bastard!

It's hard to take such over-the-top posts in the least bit seriously. The people writing them, of course, take them really seriously.

Yeah, I noticed that. He's comparing it to living in North Korea. It must take quite a bit of alcohol consumption to come up with those comparisons. But they're always making child like historical comparisons.

Why last month I was Che Guevara and the lead mouth breather had himself as Augusto Pinochet. Of course in his little fantasy he was the righteous one. I was laughing because it seemed like a costume party fantasy of sorts.

At least this genius has one thing right, he realizes that he is a moron as his nickname denotes.

111 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:12:58pm

re: #100 Walter L. Newton

Well, the Japanese-American Internment was far, far worse than the German-American Internment. For one thing, German-American's weren't rounded up en-masse, but cases were prosecuted individually-- unfairly, with scant attention to due process. If you want to make a case for the government acting terribly to an ethnic group, it's far better to use the Japanese-Americans as an example.

I mean, hell, German-American internement in total was less than 12,000-- the German-American Bund had about twenty-five thousand members, and eight thousand Sturmabteilungen -- 'storm troopers'.

In contrast, 110,000 Japanese-Americans were interned, including nearly all the Japanese-Americans on the West Coast. They were interned en-masse, not in individual cases.

The German-American internment definitely went too far, ignored due process, and is abhorrent; however, it completely pales in comparison to the Japanese-American internment.

However, I'm not quite sure you got my point; the US has done any number of terrible things in the past, including internment, but by "It Can Happen Here", I was referring to a small but nutty subsection of the population being stirred up, agitating against, and committing violence based on fascist ideology.

112 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:14:18pm

re: #109 brookly red

/yes but it was only intended to be shown for enhanced interrogation purposes ...

LOL, well at least it's good for something. Long time no see—how've you been?

113 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:14:20pm

re: #111 Obdicut

Well, the Japanese-American Internment was far, far worse than the German-American Internment. For one thing, German-American's weren't rounded up en-masse, but cases were prosecuted individually-- unfairly, with scant attention to due process. If you want to make a case for the government acting terribly to an ethnic group, it's far better to use the Japanese-Americans as an example.

I mean, hell, German-American internement in total was less than 12,000-- the German-American Bund had about twenty-five thousand members, and eight thousand Sturmabteilungen -- 'storm troopers'.

In contrast, 110,000 Japanese-Americans were interned, including nearly all the Japanese-Americans on the West Coast. They were interned en-masse, not in individual cases.

The German-American internment definitely went too far, ignored due process, and is abhorrent; however, it completely pales in comparison to the Japanese-American internment.

However, I'm not quite sure you got my point; the US has done any number of terrible things in the past, including internment, but by "It Can Happen Here", I was referring to a small but nutty subsection of the population being stirred up, agitating against, and committing violence based on fascist ideology.

And I'm not sure you got my point... which you remade in your statement...

"The German-American internment definitely went too far, ignored due process, and is abhorrent; however, it completely pales in comparison to the Japanese-American internment."

That was my point. So, we agree for once.

114 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:14:56pm

re: #112 CuriousLurker

LOL, well at least it's good for something. Long time no see—how've you been?

probably better than I deserve ;)

115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:15:23pm

re: #102 Slumbering Behemoth

Or Bobcat Goldthwait.

116 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:17:41pm

re: #114 brookly red

probably better than I deserve ;)

Same here. ;o)

117 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:19:00pm

re: #113 Walter L. Newton

And I'm not sure you got my point... which you remade in your statement...

"The German-American internment definitely went too far, ignored due process, and is abhorrent; however, it completely pales in comparison to the Japanese-American internment."

That was my point. So, we agree for once.

So, um, you're not sure I got your point, but you say we agree, so you do know that I got your point. That's a little odd.

Walter, again: the US has done any number of terrible things. The point of this thread on the EDL, though, is about a violent group of fascist thugs. I was reminding people that the US has not been free from violent fascist thugs. You could post any number of other incidents where the US has acted badly, but I'm not sure why, in this context, you feel it's important to cite occasions where the US has acted badly. Can you explain?

118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:19:39pm

re: #115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Or Bobcat Goldthwait.

He was pretty good in Freaked, though.

119 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:20:27pm

re: #110 Gus 802

Heh. That spidly guy, in order to prove that he wasn't wishing for anyone's death by saying their names should be removed from the Book of Life, just linked to a site that says this:

The language of our prayers imagines God as judge and king, sitting in the divine court on the divine throne of justice, reviewing our deeds. On a table before God lies a large book with many pages, as many pages as there are people in the world. Each of us has a page dedicated just to us. Written on that page, by our own hand, in our own writing, are all the things we have done during the past year. God considers those things, weighs the good against the bad, and then, as the prayers declare, decides "who shall live and who shall die."

Not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree.

120 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:20:51pm

Here's Merkel in "the original German":

Angela Merkel an die Muslime und Türken Multi Kulti ist Tot

Youtube Video
121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:21:16pm

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

I thought he was very good in "Scrooged".

But, of course, as Walter may point out. He was in the ...

"Citizen Kane of Alcoholic Clown Movies."

122 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:23:21pm

re: #119 Obdicut

Heh. That spidly guy, in order to prove that he wasn't wishing for anyone's death by saying their names should be removed from the Book of Life, just linked to a site that says this:

Not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree.

Yep. He feels cornered now. My guess is he's going to be posting his "serial thoughts" until the morning hours. Now he's posting to Zombie with the usual anti-Holdren sputum.

123 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:24:23pm

re: #119 Obdicut

Heh. That spidly guy, in order to prove that he wasn't wishing for anyone's death by saying their names should be removed from the Book of Life, just linked to a site that says this:

Not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree.

Notice his user icon at LGF - a pistol.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

124 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:26:17pm

re: #120 Gus 802

Here's Merkel in "the original German":

Angela Merkel an die Muslime und Türken Multi Kulti ist Tot


[Video]

Oh the Original German language!... my bad. I thought we were still on movie titles & for the Original German I had this picture of some blond guy in the garden of eden putting all the apples in neat rows...

125 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:26:27pm

I'm not at all observantly Jewish, but I'm really pretty damn sure that nobody gets to tell God whose names get removed from the Book of Life, either. That's monumentally arrogant.

126 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:26:58pm

Notes on the Merkel news. She made her comments at a Junge Union meeting.

The chairperson for Junge Union is Philipp Mißfelder:

Philipp Mißfelder (born August 25, 1979 in Gelsenkirchen, Northrhine-Westphalia) is a German politician. He is chairman of the Junge Union, the youth organization of the CDU, and a member of the Bundestag. He become known in 2003, "I take no stock in 85-year-old people getting hip replacements paid by social welfare". He also caused controversy in February 2009 after asserting in an interview that a social welfare increase would essentially be a subsidy to the cigarette and liquor industry.

127 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:27:50pm

re: #125 Obdicut
True. But there are some very nasty people in this world and they would like to "get even" with some folks.

128 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:28:22pm

re: #125 Obdicut

I'm not at all observantly Jewish, but I'm really pretty damn sure that nobody gets to tell God whose names get removed from the Book of Life, either. That's monumentally arrogant.

/not even Google?

129 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:34:15pm

Freerepublic confirms its reputation as cesspool of racist fuckery. From the thread "Rice meets with Obama, then defends his administration's approach" (link goes to google search):

Very disappointing to have melanin trump everything. This won’t go anywhere good.

If you were wondering if she said that because they’re both black and not because their foreign policy goals aligned, you can stop wondering.

I was going to say - hey, the lefties were wrong about Condie. See? She IS black after all.

Too bad. I would’ve figured Dr Rice, if anyone, would be among the 9% who aren’t marching in lockstep.

Tan people stick together. Rice was one of W’s weak links.

A female version of the worthless Powell,expect nothing from her as I suspect she is a obama supporter and will trash this country for 12% of the population.

Every time she opens her mouth it is about the Jim Crow south!! What the hell does that have to do with us? She has been given plenty and never a thank you back,Like that toy general Colon who screwed up GW1.

Blackpartisanship.

Black people simply cannot transcend their color.

Compassionate Conservative racist meets Communist racist and discovers they like the same things.

130 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:35:23pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

The racist didn't finish his thought. He said:

Black people simply cannot transcend their color.

but he forgot to add:

... as long as I have anything to say about it.

What diseased fuckers.

131 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:36:59pm

re: #99 Obdicut

punish those who don't praise (upding) him or the chosen inner circle (some are more equal than others), reward people who attack other sites at 3AM

I love that, it's like these guys are making commenting on a plotical blog into the Da Vinci Code :D It's all these super dramatic conspiracy epics they're brewing over there

IF YOU ARRIVE AT LGF ONE MINUTE PAST THE STROKE OF MIDNIGHT AND HAVE THE PASSWORD TO "INNER HEAVEN" ON LGF, YOU WILL BE ALLOWED INTO THE BLOG COVEN WHERE WE ALL JOIN AVATARS AND MUSLIMIZE

132 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:37:43pm

I was wondering about that bit, I am a Conndie fan myself... I wonder if she is thinking of getting back into politics?

133 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:38:24pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

that's undiluted whitey rageboner right there

134 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:38:52pm
She has been given plenty and never a thank you back,Like that toy general Colon who screwed up GW1.

Right. Like neither of them worked for and earned what they have in life, it was all given to them by kindly, superior whites. What bullshit. Reminds me of this a little...

Professionalism WIN!

135 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:39:09pm

re: #132 brookly red
That is a possibility. I think she recently appeared on Travis Smiley.

136 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:40:13pm

re: #132 brookly red

I was wondering about that bit, I am a Conndie fan myself... I wonder if she is thinking of getting back into politics?

I saw a video the other day (can't remember where) of her saying on some TV show that she won't rule out the possibility of running for public office.

137 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:40:28pm

re: #134 Slumbering Behemoth

Right. Like neither of them worked for and earned what they have in life, it was all given to them by kindly, superior whites. What bullshit. Reminds me of this a little...

Professionalism WIN!

My thoughts exactly.

Makes me ever grateful for LGF.

138 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:41:47pm

re: #131 WindUpBird

I love that, it's like these guys are making commenting on a plotical blog into the Da Vinci Code :D It's all these super dramatic conspiracy epics they're brewing over there

IF YOU ARRIVE AT LGF ONE MINUTE PAST THE STROKE OF MIDNIGHT AND HAVE THE PASSWORD TO "INNER HEAVEN" ON LGF, YOU WILL BE ALLOWED INTO THE BLOG COVEN WHERE WE ALL JOIN AVATARS AND MUSLIMIZE

The blog "coven"?
I thought that was whatshername, O'Donnell's thing.

139 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:42:05pm

re: #135 PhillyPretzel

re: #136 CuriousLurker

Hmmm, I don't think it a coincidence that Drudge ran an article about her a few days ago then...

140 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:42:09pm

Most Tea Partiers call America a Christian nation

Members of the Tea Party movement tend to be Christian conservatives, not libertarians, and are more likely than even white evangelical Christians to say the United States is a Christian nation, a detailed new study has found.

More than half of self-identified Tea Party members say America is a Christian nation, while just over four out of 10 white evangelicals believe that - the same as the proportion of the general population that says so.

"We found actually that among the Tea Party, rather than being libertarians, at least on the issues of abortion and same-sex marriage, they're actually social conservatives," the survey's lead author, Robert Jones, said Tuesday.

Despite the headlines the Tea Party movement has generated with their candidates upsetting mainstream Republican candidates in primary races from Delaware to Nevada, it is only half the size of the Christian conservative movement, Jones said.

141 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:42:39pm

re: #104 CuriousLurker

Carrot Top made a movie? *grimace*

This is America.

Anything is possible.

142 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:43:44pm

re: #136 CuriousLurker

I saw a video the other day (can't remember where) of her saying on some TV show that she won't rule out the possibility of running for public office.

She could probably make a decent run as a sane Republican candidate in California. She is currently a resident there, is she not? Teaching at Stanford?

143 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:44:38pm

re: #141 researchok

Oh, but don't worry: Carrot Top's movie got totally destroyed by Norm MacDonald on Conan.

If you've never seen it, treat yourself:

Youtube Video
144 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:45:18pm

re: #143 Obdicut

Oh, but don't worry: Carrot Top's movie got totally destroyed by Norm MacDonald on Conan.

If you've never seen it, treat yourself:


[Video]

I think the last time I saw Carrot Top he was being interviewed by Space Ghost.

145 Kragar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:45:20pm

re: #104 CuriousLurker

Carrot Top made a movie? *grimace*

Called Chairman of the Board, with Courtney Thorne Smith.

Scary that I recalled that off the top of my head.

146 webevintage  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:45:26pm
Every time she opens her mouth it is about the Jim Crow south!! What the hell does that have to do with us? She has been given plenty and never a thank you back,Like that toy general Colon who screwed up GW1.

Jesus.
Does this POS think that the women is supposed to thank him personally for being allowed to succeed.
Ass.

Of course the reason she is discussing Jim Crow South is because she has a new book out that is about her family and growing up in the South during the Jim Crow era.
I don't know how people this fucking stupid function without sticking themselves in the eye with a fork at each meal.

147 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:45:30pm

re: #142 oaktree

She could probably make a decent run as a sane Republican candidate in California. She is currently a resident there, is she not? Teaching at Stanford?

the timing is weird though... popping up just before an election.

148 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:46:53pm

re: #147 brookly red

the timing is weird though... popping up just before an election.

How could her autobiography be an October Surprise?

149 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:47:38pm

re: #148 prairiefire

LOL

150 webevintage  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:48:38pm

re: #140 Slumbering Behemoth

Most Tea Partiers call America a Christian nation

It really is time for the Tea Party folks to admit that they are just a new branch of social conservatives.

Last night on Bill Maher Dana Loesch was discussing Tea Party folks like her and mentioned how they are for "personal liberty"...what a bunch of BS.
People who care about personal liberty won't not care about abortion or gays marrying or gays in the military.

151 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:48:39pm

re: #148 prairiefire

How could her autobiography be an October Surprise?

it couldn't be...

but whatever she is up to should be interesting. she is a really smart one.

152 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:49:31pm

re: #148 prairiefire

How could her autobiography be an October Surprise?

She reveals that GWB was a robot body with a lab mouse inside?

/

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:50:16pm

Oh. Nazis. Yes, I've seen this movie.

154 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:50:28pm

re: #150 webevintage

I have a hunch that the TP will collapse on itself after this election, regardless of any gains.

That could just be wishful thinking on my part, though, rather than a hunch.

155 Kragar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:50:32pm

WOOT! Fallout New Vegas is pre-loading!

156 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:50:39pm

re: #152 oaktree

She reveals that GWB was a robot body with a lab mouse inside?

/

whatever happened to Pinky & the Brain?

157 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:51:30pm

re: #143 Obdicut

Oh, but don't worry: Carrot Top's movie got totally destroyed by Norm MacDonald on Conan.

If you've never seen it, treat yourself:


[Video]

Better than the movie.

OT, I don't think Spidey likes you.

158 webevintage  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:52:08pm

re: #152 oaktree

She reveals that GWB was a robot body with a lab mouse inside?

/

Chaney was The Brain and Bush was Pinky?

159 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:52:40pm

re: #154 Slumbering Behemoth

I have a hunch that the TP will collapse on itself after this election, regardless of any gains.

That could just be wishful thinking on my part, though, rather than a hunch.

yes probably wishful thinking... now they may sell out & go mainstream(ish) but I don't see them going away. there is too much invested in branding.

160 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:52:48pm

re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WOOT! Fallout New Vegas is pre-loading!

Be sure to let us know how terribly it sucks.
/glittering gem of hatred

161 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:52:52pm

re: #142 oaktree

She could probably make a decent run as a sane Republican candidate in California. She is currently a resident there, is she not? Teaching at Stanford?

I believe so. I was never all that crazy about her, but I'd much rather seeing someone (rational) like her running on a conservative ticket than anyone from the current crop of loons that seem to be everywhere.

162 theheat  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:52:56pm

Why is it these pillars of enlightenment, like Geller and Spencer, are never expected to know anything about the groups they're cozy with? I don't understand how, on one hand they pretend to be intellectuals and represent themselves as all-knowing, and on the other they can't summon the slightest bit of intellectual curiosity. It's like the wingnuts running away from interviews, because they don't want to actually be accountable for the crazy shit that comes out their mouth.

Geller and Spencer like Euroklukkers. It's that simple. They like them because they admire them and agree with them. They don't have the balls to say so, but that's what comes out in the wash.

163 jaunte  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:53:08pm

re: #153 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh. Nazis. Yes, I've seen this movie.

And the comic relief from Spencer:

"I don’t believe they’re [the EDL] neo-fascist white supremacists, as Johnson claims. There is no way that Pamela Geller or I would ever work with, endorse, or approve of any genuine neo-fascist or white supremacist individual or group in any way, shape or form."
164 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:53:43pm

re: #157 researchok

And I don't think he's actually Jewish. I hope not. He's taking one of the more sacred and lovely parts of Jewish tradition and using it as a way to wish death on people. Creepy as fuck.

165 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:55:05pm

re: #159 brookly red

yes probably wishful thinking... now they may sell out & go mainstream(ish) but I don't see them going away. there is too much invested in branding.

Sell out to what? They are dyed in the wool, aging social conservatives. TP's have said that they will be watching the newly elected TP's. If they place a vote out of line, they will be primaried.

166 Kragar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:55:20pm

re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth

Be sure to let us know how terribly it sucks.
/glittering gem of hatred

Hehe, I got the preorder special, so I get some special armor, a shotgun and binoculars to start. It will be glorious.

167 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:55:21pm

re: #159 brookly red

I just don't see their Ron Paul/libertarian roots and the influx of socons since '08 being able to maintain a balance and survive. Either the whole thing implodes, or the TP movement swings full on to one direction or the other.

168 webevintage  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:55:30pm

re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WOOT! Fallout New Vegas is pre-loading!

I mentioned this to my son and just got a rant about how much our internet connection sucks and how pissed he is that he can't get it from Steam and OMG he has to go to the store like an "old person".

169 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:56:00pm

Has anybody seen the new Lego Universe game?

170 Kragar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:56:13pm

re: #168 webevintage

I mentioned this to my son and just got a rant about how much our internet connection sucks and how pissed he is that he can't get it from Steam and OMG he has to go to the store like an "old person".

What are you? Luddites?
/

171 theheat  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:56:14pm

re: #164 Obdicut

Creepy as fuck.

I've probably said that exact same thing out loud, to myself, every single day, as I watch the great migration of the wingnuts across America. The whole thing - all of it - is creepy as fuck.

We live in creepy times.

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:56:15pm

re: #31 Thanos

I guess she just missed all the anti-roma /anti gypsy vids in the sidebar there. Or maybe the -_-__- just doesn't care anymore.

She doesn't care. Stand by for the Roma to be accused of being stealth Muslims. There are Muslim Roma, that's all it will take for the whole community to be painted as Islamist menaces.

173 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:56:45pm

re: #168 webevintage

Sounds like he's volunteering to pay for the internet connection!

174 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:57:31pm

re: #138 reine.de.tout

The blog "coven"?
I thought that was whatshername, O'Donnell's thing.

I just like the word "coven"

175 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:57:43pm

re: #166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

:sigh: I hate to see such a horrendous decline of my beloved waste land.
/DECLINE, I SAY!

176 Kragar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:57:45pm

After gutting the house for the last 3 days (we filled 2 dumpsters), I finally sit down to crash and the wife decides now is when we should go to the store.

Don't...want...to...move...

Ug, BBL

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:59:03pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure Robert Spencer knows what he's doing. Pam is not a smart person and I suspect she's convinced herself that her new friends wouldn't deport/kill her and the other Jews if they actually came into power. Maybe she think they'll be satisfied once they get rid of the muslims, gypsies and Africans.

She's fooling herself that she can be both a Jew and a member of this bright and shining tomorrow of purifying Europe and the US of the undesirables.

She should ask Margarita Sarfatti how that turned out for her.

178 TedStriker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:59:05pm

re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth

Be sure to let us know how terribly it sucks.
/glittering gem of hatred

I'm waiting for Call of Duty: Black Ops...looks good so far. I just hope that Activision (and the asshole they have for a CEO, Bobby Kotick) continues to leave Treyarch (the developer) alone on the big stuff, such as dedicated servers (which was somewhat nerfed by Treyarch and Activision giving GameServers.com exclusive rights on server rentals) and PC-centric features (console access, recording, etc.).

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 4:59:35pm

re: #44 Gus 802

My oh my. And so it begins.

Merkel says German multicultural society has failed

Oh. Poor Angela. And you tried soooooo hard.

Guess it just wasn't meant to be.

///

180 Kragar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:00:02pm

Oh, last thing before we go.

Fallout: New Vegas strategy guide is bigger than War and Peace

At more than half a million words long, the strategy guide for Fallout: New Vegas will be the biggest ever released, and will dwarf famously giant literary classics like War and Peace. It’s also roughly the same size as the script for one of designer Chris Avellone’s previous games, Planescape: Torment.

181 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:00:32pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

She should ask Margarita Sarfatti how that turned out for her.

Heads for Google to look her up...

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:00:40pm

re: #49 Gus 802

Have to keep an eye on this. We know what happened the last time Germany "fell". More on this:

Merkel says non-German speakers are "not welcome".

Merkel went on to say that immigrants living in Germany needed to do more to integrate, including learning to speak German. "Anyone who does not immediately speak German", she said, "is not welcome".

Well, when the government wants to make a film about how awful halal slaughter is, they can just take the footage from "The Eternal Jew" and dub over it.

183 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:00:48pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

She doesn't care. Stand by for the Roma to be accused of being stealth Muslims. There are Muslim Roma, that's all it will take for the whole community to be painted as Islamist menaces.

It would be hard to make the position of Roma in Europe worse. I have always been very worried about Europe's ability to assimilate or even accommodate immigrants because they have not in the least managed to assimilate the Roma population, or to engage in any sort of reasonable policy with them. Instead, they ghettoize and brutalize them, enacting punitive taxes on them and not investigating their murders, and then are shocked with the Roma don't trust the police and tend towards petty crime.

I sincerely believe that no nation without birthright citizenship can stand the test of time without eventually falling to fascism, or without simply ending immigration.

184 webevintage  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:00:55pm

re: #170 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What are you? Luddites?
/

I had no idea he was that bitter.
It seems we "don't love him" because I won't deal with the slow dsl connection* we have and it takes hours and hours and even days for purchases from Steam to download.

*(our connection has gotten slower over the summer but it is really hard to get the guy in India to pay attention to me when I explain about being at the end of "the line" and how things get messed up at the local switching station and if they move our line there the internet slows down and...yeah i must not love him because I really don't give a shit. I am the worst gamer mom.)

185 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:01:10pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh. Poor Angela. And you tried sooo hard.

Guess it just wasn't meant to be.

///

With a finger high into the prevailing winds Merkel finally speaks! Sarcasm intended I wonder if she's been inspired by Sarkozy's recent moves against the Roma people in France?

186 Kragar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:02:15pm

re: #184 webevintage

I had no idea he was that bitter.
It seems we "don't love him" because I won't deal with the slow dsl connection* we have and it takes hours and hours and even days for purchases from Steam to download.

*(our connection has gotten slower over the summer but it is really hard to get the guy in India to pay attention to me when I explain about being at the end of "the line" and how things get messed up at the local switching station and if they move our line there the internet slows down and...yeah i must not love him because I really don't give a shit. I am the worst gamer mom.)

I'll be forawarding this post to Gamer child protective services.

187 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:02:59pm

re: #165 prairiefire

re: #167 Slumbering Behemoth

no there is a lot of money involved here & it is now an established, highly recognized brand. it could be re-directed, but it is not going away.

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:04:05pm

re: #125 Obdicut

I'm not at all observantly Jewish, but I'm really pretty damn sure that nobody gets to tell God whose names get removed from the Book of Life, either. That's monumentally arrogant.

Yeah, there's nothing in the machzor that suggests that you get to make 'suggestions' for people to get left out.

189 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:04:22pm

re: #178 talon_262

Heh. I just found out my old copy of Axis & Allies won't work on XP :(

Probably just as well, the AI is horribly incompetent even at the most difficult settings.

190 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:06:00pm

re: #187 brookly red

We'll see, but I suspect you're right.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:08:25pm

re: #183 Obdicut

It would be hard to make the position of Roma in Europe worse. I have always been very worried about Europe's ability to assimilate or even accommodate immigrants because they have not in the least managed to assimilate the Roma population, or to engage in any sort of reasonable policy with them. Instead, they ghettoize and brutalize them, enacting punitive taxes on them and not investigating their murders, and then are shocked with the Roma don't trust the police and tend towards petty crime.

I sincerely believe that no nation without birthright citizenship can stand the test of time without eventually falling to fascism, or without simply ending immigration.

It makes me very skeptical of how sad many Europeans really are about the Shoah, when I see how they continue to justify their hated of another ethnic minority like the Roma.

Madonna got booed in Bucharest when she called the audience out about how Romanian Roma are treated.

192 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:08:26pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

She should ask Margarita Sarfatti how that turned out for her.

Ouch.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[...]

Born Margherita Grassini, the daughter of a wealthy Jewish lawyer, she grew up in a palazzo situated at the Canale Grande in Venice and was educated by private tutors. However, she was soon attracted by socialist ideas and escaped her parents' home at age 18 by marrying Cesare Sarfatti, a lawyer from Padua many years her senior. In 1902 the couple moved to Milan.

In 1911 Margherita Sarfatti met, and started an affair with, Benito Mussolini. As a highly educated and intellectual woman, she played a significant role in the rise of fascism, only to be discarded when her lover turned to anti-Semitism, unable to credit a Jewish woman as his collaborator in the forging of a new ideology. In 1938, Sarfatti left Italy for Argentina and Uruguay; she worked as a journalist in Montevideo.[1] After the war, in 1947, Sarfatti returned to her home country and once again became an influential force in Italian art.

Fascism was not inherently anti-Semitic, but when Mussolini's conquest of Abyssinia drew opprobrium from the League of Nations, he found solace only from Hitler and the like-minded. To curry favour with Hitler, the race laws were passed in 1938 and Sarfatti necessarily had to leave Mussolini's bed.

[...]

193 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:08:37pm

More on the poll mentioned above.

Survey findings on far-right views give Germany its latest Führer furore

Extreme statements and the percentage who agreed

23.6% - Germany needs a single strong party that embodies the people as a whole

35.6% - Germany is dangerously swamped by too many foreigners

8.8% - In certain circumstances, a dictatorship is the best form of government

13.2% - We should have a Führer who rules Germany with a strong hand in the national interest

10.7% - If it hadn’t been for the extermination of the Jews, Hitler would be viewed as a great statesman

194 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:10:47pm

re: #190 Slumbering Behemoth

We'll see, but I suspect you're right.

trust me on this one, especially if the election goes as it looks like it is going, this will be one hellufva commodity in 2012.

195 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:10:58pm

re: #192 CuriousLurker

Ouch.

Have you seen Cradle Will Rock? Sarfatti, played by Susan Sarandon, has a delightful scene with Diego Rivera where she tells him he's walking contradiction--a rich Communist.

"What about you?" he shoots back. "A Jewish Fascist?"

196 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:11:48pm

Seehofer tells youth wing multiculturalism is dead

“We as the (Christian Democratic) Union stand for the dominant German culture and against multiculturalism – multiculturalism is dead,” he said according to news magazine Der Spiegel.

Speaking at the Junge Union national meeting in Potsdam, Seehofer’s latest attack on the idea of Germany being a country of immigration followed his recent call to stop Turks and Arabs from moving to Germany.

Yet he said his speech was not a lurch to the right, rather an attempt to "stop the right-wing loonies," he said, adding that "political seducers" must be deterred from parliament by addressing the concerns of voters.

Those who wanted to live in Germany had to be prepared to accept the daily culture of the country, he said, although did not specify how this should be defined.

Chancellor Angela Merkel was more moderate, Der Spiegel reported, but seemed to echo some of Seehofer’s sentiment when she said, “We feel bound to the Christian image of humanity, that is what defines us,” she said. Those who do not accept this, “are in the wrong place here.”

197 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:12:16pm

re: #196 Gus 802

Continues.

Germans should also talk about their values and their increasing alienation from religion, in order to affirm their sense of country and society, she added.

Regarding the idea of allowing highly-qualified people to come to Germany to fill the skills deficit, Seehofer said the emphasis should initially be on training unemployed people here before bringing people into the country.

Germany should not become the “social security office for the whole world,” he said.

Young members of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and their Bavarian sister party, the Christian Social Union (CSU), should know what the parties stood for, he added.

One should not have to “constantly apologise for having a love for one's own country,” he said, adding there was every reason to be proud of Germany.

Philipp Mißfelder, who was elected to chair the youth organisation on Friday, welcomed Seehofer’s comments on immigration.

Mißfelder said it was the job of the CSU to regain sovereignty over the popular debate. He said there should never be a democratically legitimate power to the political right of the union. “The guarantee for that in Germany is and remains, the CSU,” he said.

Seehofer was again criticised by the Central Council of Jews in Germany for his comments.

“All possible cultural circles are being stigmatised, defamed and tarred with the same brush. I find it on the one hand irresponsible and on the other, shabby,” said Stephan Kramer, secretary general of the Council.

He said the current debate on integration of migrants and immigration was making people feel uneasy and scared.

198 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:12:40pm

re: #192 CuriousLurker

Ouch.

Could have been worse. If one hangs with Mussolini, she could hang with Mussolini.

199 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:13:15pm

re: #195 SanFranciscoZionist

Have you seen Cradle Will Rock? Sarfatti, played by Susan Sarandon, has a delightful scene with Diego Rivera where she tells him he's walking contradiction--a rich Communist.

"What about you?" he shoots back. "A Jewish Fascist?"

No, I haven't seen it. I'll have to check Netflix (I love historical dramas). Ms. Sarfatti is probably lucky that she escaped with her life. Yikes.

200 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:13:20pm

re: #196 Gus 802

Chancellor Angela Merkel was more moderate, Der Spiegel reported, but seemed to echo some of Seehofer’s sentiment when she said, “We feel bound to the Christian image of humanity, that is what defines us,” she said. Those who do not accept this, “are in the wrong place here.”

That's not good at all.

201 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:13:43pm

re: #194 brookly red

Well, I will give this batch of new, socon TP loons credit for one thing. It would seem they quite successfully snatched the brand away from the Paulbot TP loons.

202 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:14:09pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Could have been worse. If one hangs with Mussolini, she could hang with Mussolini.

True that.

203 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:14:42pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

It makes me very skeptical of how sad many Europeans really are about the Shoah, when I see how they continue to justify their hated of another ethnic minority like the Roma.

Madonna got booed in Bucharest when she called the audience out about how Romanian Roma are treated.

In general Americans preaching gets mixed reviews, no?

204 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:14:49pm

re: #200 wrenchwench

That's not good at all.

I take it then that Germany has no real separation of church and state.

205 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:15:07pm

re: #201 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, I will give this batch of new, socon TP loons credit for one thing. It would seem they quite successfully snatched the brand away from the Paulbot TP loons.

Looks more like a merger to me.

206 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:15:49pm

re: #204 Gus 802

I take it then that Germany has no real separation of church and state.

No. I forget what the situation is, but I think churches get government support or something.

207 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:16:07pm

re: #201 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, I will give this batch of new, socon TP loons credit for one thing. It would seem they quite successfully snatched the brand away from the Paulbot TP loons.

They were assimilated. Resistance was futile.

Supply Side Jesus FTW!

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:16:18pm

re: #204 Gus 802

I take it then that Germany has no real separation of church and state.

No. Tax money goes to the churches, and officially leaving the church you were baptized into is a matter of government paperwork.

209 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:16:56pm

re: #205 wrenchwench

There's been more than a few Paulbots who are quite angry with the socon infiltration and takeover. They are not happy with the new direction.

210 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:17:09pm

re: #196 Gus 802

“We feel bound to the Christian image of humanity, that is what defines us,” she said. Those who do not accept this, “are in the wrong place here.”

What an insane piece of crap. The Christian image of humanity. Maybe, just maybe it's better in the original German, but that is quite close to race talk.

Berlin was just getting to have a vibrant Jewish community again. Now I hope they all get out. Get out right now. And I hope any prominent Jewish businessman avoids doing business with Germany wherever they can.

Of course, that would just be seen as proof of the evil of the Jew. They hate us but by god they want Jewish money.

211 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:17:15pm

re: #201 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, I will give this batch of new, socon TP loons credit for one thing. It would seem they quite successfully snatched the brand away from the Paulbot TP loons.

yup, & after the election there will be plenty of time for focus groups, testing & repositioning... don't kid your self this is big business.

212 Dom  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:17:47pm
Youtube Video

The above video was recorded by EDL members. They are proud to create this.

Preston is the next biggie but, all eyes on Amsterdam.

213 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:17:58pm

re: #139 brookly red

re: #136 CuriousLurker

Hmmm, I don't think it a coincidence that Drudge ran an article about her a few days ago then...

She is promoting a book, that is why she is in the news. Anyone who heard one of the dozens of interviews she has given in the last ten days will tell you that she seems THRILLED to be out of politics.

214 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:18:23pm

re: #209 Slumbering Behemoth

There's been more than a few Paulbots who are quite angry with the socon infiltration and takeover. They are not happy with the new direction.

The Pauls are socons. If the bots aren't, they've been fooled, and should be pissed, and I will laugh.

215 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:19:02pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

It makes me very skeptical of how sad many Europeans really are about the Shoah, when I see how they continue to justify their hated of another ethnic minority like the Roma.

Madonna got booed in Bucharest when she called the audience out about how Romanian Roma are treated.

The northern Italians of a decade ago had a schizo attitude towards the Zingare. They recognized the evil done to them, even if milder, in Mussolini's era. At the same time the seasonal migrations were herded to familiar caravan sites with a strong police presence. My neighbor explained it: We protect ourselves from them, and them from us".

216 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:19:30pm

re: #211 brookly red

yup, & after the election there will be plenty of time for focus groups, testing & repositioning... don't kid your self this is big business.

Word.
/emphasis mine, of course :)

217 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:19:53pm

re: #187 brookly red

re: #167 Slumbering Behemoth

no there is a lot of money involved here & it is now an established, highly recognized brand. it could be re-directed, but it is not going away.

So it is astro turf.

218 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:19:59pm

re: #213 bratwurst

She is promoting a book, that is why she is in the news. Anyone who heard one of the dozens of interviews she has given in the last ten days will tell you that she seems THRILLED to be out of politics.

Maybe... we shall see.

219 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:20:19pm

re: #213 bratwurst

She is promoting a book, that is why she is in the news. Anyone who heard one of the dozens of interviews she has given in the last ten days will tell you that she seems THRILLED to be out of politics.

Now that you mention it, she did also say how nice it is now that when she hears about something in the news she no longer has to deal with it herself.

220 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:20:29pm

re: #214 wrenchwench

Well, I should say that in this case I am using "Paulbot" as a euphemism for libertarian troofers.

221 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:21:32pm

re: #217 prairiefire

So it is astro turf.

Hey I don't like McDonalds, but I like to own a few...

222 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:21:59pm

re: #194 brookly red

trust me on this one, especially if the election goes as it looks like it is going, this will be one hellufva commodity in 2012.

So, how do they grow past their low approval rate?

223 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:22:09pm

re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, I should say that in this case I am using "Paulbot" as a euphemism for libertarian troofers.

Ah. Pharmmajor and his elusive socially liberal libertarians. I understand now.

224 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:22:52pm

And in case my last statement was overly harsh: I know there are many, many, many good, kind-hearted, liberal German people for whom the swing their country is taking is heartbreaking. I'm not collectively blaming Germans. But these polls, and these statements, are stating that Germany is going to reject anyone who will not conform to being a German Christian.

225 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:23:40pm

re: #210 Obdicut

What an insane piece of crap. The Christian image of humanity. Maybe, just maybe it's better in the original German, but that is quite close to race talk.

Berlin was just getting to have a vibrant Jewish community again. Now I hope they all get out. Get out right now. And I hope any prominent Jewish businessman avoids doing business with Germany wherever they can.

Of course, that would just be seen as proof of the evil of the Jew. They hate us but by god they want Jewish money.

This is from Spiegel:

"Multikulti ist tot": Im Streit um Integration hat CSU-Chef Horst Seehofer mit drastischer Wortwahl nachgelegt. Auch Angela Merkel drängt Zuwanderer zu mehr Integrationsbereitschaft. Wer das christliche Menschenbild nicht akzeptiere, sagte die Kanzlerin, sei "fehl am Platze" in Deutschland.

And the not so great Google translation:

"Multiculturalism is dead ': the row over integration has CSU chief Horst Seehofer refills with dramatic choice of words. Even Angela Merkel urges immigrants to greater willingness to integrate. Those who do not accept the Christian view of humanity, said the Chancellor was "no place" in Germany.

226 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:25:02pm

re: #221 brookly red

Hey I don't like McDonalds, but I like to own a few...

I'm sure a good number of us here wouldn't mind owning a McDonald's, but I am equally sure a good number of us here want nothing to do with a divisive socon movement whose rhetoric has a rather distinct fascist smell.

227 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:25:46pm

re: #222 prairiefire

So, how do they grow past their low approval rate?

well first of all I question your numbers but even if so they grow by brand recognition & marketing/packaging, same as any other product.

228 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:26:13pm

re: #225 Gus 802

This is from Spiegel:

"Multikulti ist tot": Im Streit um Integration hat CSU-Chef Horst Seehofer mit drastischer Wortwahl nachgelegt. Auch Angela Merkel drängt Zuwanderer zu mehr Integrationsbereitschaft. Wer das christliche Menschenbild nicht akzeptiere, sagte die Kanzlerin, sei "fehl am Platze" in Deutschland.

And the not so great Google translation:

"Multiculturalism is dead ': the row over integration has CSU chief Horst Seehofer refills with dramatic choice of words. Even Angela Merkel urges immigrants to greater willingness to integrate. Those who do not accept the Christian view of humanity, said the Chancellor was "no place" in Germany.

Cuius regio, eius religio, if you want to go back to the Peace of Augsburg.

229 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:26:59pm

re: #221 brookly red

Hey I don't like McDonalds, but I like to own a few...

My grandpa was a golf buddy of Ray Kroc in Ill. He was offered early franchise opportunities, but said he did not want to "flip burgers for a living."

230 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:27:18pm

'The Christian view of humanity'.

I'm a Catholic school teacher, y'all, raised by a Catholic father. I know a lot of Christians, and admire their faith and their lives. I don't like to be at all dismissive of religious beliefs.

But I hear those words out of the mouth of a German politican, and all I can do is laugh bitterly. This view of humanity something you found in the sock drawer in the last sixty years, lady?

231 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:27:36pm

I'll give Merkel this: Unlike US Christian theocrats, she doesn't use the bullshit "Judeo-Christian" phrase to disguise her Christian supremacy.

232 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:27:59pm

re: #231 Obdicut

I'll give Merkel this: Unlike US Christian theocrats, she doesn't use the bullshit "Judeo-Christian" phrase to disguise her Christian supremacy.

True, that!

233 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:28:40pm

re: #213 bratwurst

Did you see the previous thread? It reminded me of the since-banned anti-Islam guy who called you "halal bratwurst" like it was some terrible insult :)

234 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:28:44pm

I'm hungry. Pastrami & Muenster on whole wheat roll, or a cheeseburger on the same? Decisions, decisions...

235 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:29:07pm

re: #227 brookly red

well first of all I question your numbers but even if so they grow by brand recognition & marketing/packaging, same as any other product.

They have "Ross Perot" type numbers.

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:29:13pm

re: #233 publicityStunted

Did you see the previous thread? It reminded me of the since-banned anti-Islam guy who called you "halal bratwurst" like it was some terrible insult :)

I remember him! Damnit, who was that? I remember the epithet, not the poster's name.

237 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:29:25pm

re: #231 Obdicut

I'll give Merkel this: Unlike US Christian theocrats, she doesn't use the bullshit "Judeo-Christian" phrase to disguise her Christian supremacy.

At some level, irony is toxic. (Or was that iron?)

238 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:29:38pm

re: #224 Obdicut

And in case my last statement was overly harsh: I know there are many, many, many good, kind-hearted, liberal German people for whom the swing their country is taking is heartbreaking. I'm not collectively blaming Germans. But these polls, and these statements, are stating that Germany is going to reject anyone who will not conform to being a German Christian.

As a German Jew, I am concerned. However, I would encourage everyone to take anything written about the supposed rise of xenophobia in Germany with a massive grain of salt. Sensationalist headlines on this topic have been used to sell newspapers around the world almost since the end of the war. Meanwhile, the far right political party (NDP) got a total of 1.5% of the vote in last year's national election. Compare this with the performance of far right parties in virtually every other country in Europe.

239 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:29:38pm

re: #234 CuriousLurker

I'm hungry. Pastrami & Muenster on whole wheat roll, or a cheeseburger on the same? Decisions, decisions...

Pastrami & Muenster on whole wheat roll... no contest.

240 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:29:59pm

re: #231 Obdicut

I'll give Merkel this: Unlike US Christian theocrats, she doesn't use the bullshit "Judeo-Christian" phrase to disguise her Christian supremacy.

Apparently Hosrt Seehofer did so.

Rightist leader: German multiculturalism dead

241 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:30:04pm

re: #231 Obdicut

I'll give Merkel this: Unlike US Christian theocrats, she doesn't use the bullshit "Judeo-Christian" phrase to disguise her Christian supremacy.

That would take an enormous amount of chutzpah.

242 TedStriker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:30:29pm

re: #229 prairiefire

In the words of Homer (Simpson), DOH!

243 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:30:46pm

re: #238 bratwurst

But Merkel is mainstream, correct? And she really did say this, right?

244 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:31:09pm

re: #242 talon_262

In the words of Homer (Simpson), DOH!

Yep, we like to laugh about it at family gatherings./

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:31:23pm

re: #243 Obdicut

But Merkel is mainstream, correct? And she really did say this, right?

I take back a number of previous posts. I'm GLAD Bush rubbed her back. I hope it REALLY annoyed her.

//

246 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:31:38pm

re: #233 publicityStunted

Did you see the previous thread? It reminded me of the since-banned anti-Islam guy who called you "halal bratwurst" like it was some terrible insult :)

I was thinking about that too. I guess that was the wurst he could do. ;)

247 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:31:39pm

re: #226 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #229 prairiefire

we shall see, we shall see...

248 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:31:50pm

re: #93 Charles

The stalkers are working in shifts now at the Guardian. Another one just posted a long rant full of outright lies and distortions.

Why they got to go all up in there and do me like that?

You're living in their heads, putting your shoes on the furniture and drinking up all their beer.

249 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:31:54pm

re: #243 Obdicut

But Merkel is mainstream, correct? And she really did say this, right?

Perhaps German dogs hear different whistles.

250 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:32:56pm

re: #239 brookly red

Pastrami & Muenster on whole wheat roll... no contest.

Pastrami it is then. I'll use my fancy Panini press (big cast iron skillet with a 5 lb. bag of flour on it) to make it a hot sandwich. BBL

251 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:33:08pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

I remember him! Damnit, who was that? I remember the epithet, not the poster's name.

He went after you as well, though his epithet in that case - "San Francisco Anti-Zionist" - wasn't nearly as clever :P I believe his username was gegentrik or something like that.

252 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:33:26pm

re: #240 Gus 802

Even worse, he includes 'humanist', as though it isn't part of the humanist tradition to acknowledge that Western culture has been hugely influenced by-- and owes a large debt to-- Islamic culture and science.

253 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:33:53pm

re: #246 bratwurst

I was thinking about that too. I guess that was the wurst he could do. ;)

From the Wurst of PDQ Bach:

[Link: www.google.com...]

254 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:33:58pm

re: #251 publicityStunted

He went after you as well, though his epithet in that case - "San Francisco Anti-Zionist" - wasn't nearly as clever :P I believe his username was gegentrik or something like that.

gegenkritik?

255 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:33:58pm

re: #250 CuriousLurker

Pastrami it is then. I'll use my fancy Panini press (big cast iron skillet with a 5 lb. bag of flour on it) to make it a hot sandwich. BBL

that Panini guy should be made a saint.

256 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:34:32pm

re: #251 publicityStunted

I believe his username was gegentrik or something like that.

Oh, that would be gegenkritik.

257 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:35:12pm

re: #226 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm sure a good number of us here wouldn't mind owning a McDonald's, but I am equally sure a good number of us here want nothing to do with a divisive socon movement whose rhetoric has a rather distinct fascist smell.

re: #247 brookly red

we shall see, we shall see...

There's no need to wait and see on that bolded part, my friend. The stink they give off is noxiously apparent.

258 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:35:13pm

re: #256 wrenchwench

Oh, that would be gegenkritik.

Ugh. That was a nasty few weeks.

259 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:35:13pm

re: #247 brookly red

re: #229 prairiefire

we shall see, we shall see...

Is this your new catch phrase? Don't tell me you are retiring "it is what it is."

260 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:36:17pm

re: #259 bratwurst

Is this your new catch phrase? Don't tell me you are retiring "it is what it is."

you are what you are too by the way ;)

261 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:36:40pm

re: #243 Obdicut

But Merkel is mainstream, correct? And she really did say this, right?

She is center right (and to the left of most Democrats in this country on social issues), but I have not heard exactly what she said in German and what the context was. I will try to do some research on this.

262 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:36:51pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

She's fooling herself that she can be both a Jew and a member of this bright and shining tomorrow of purifying Europe and the US of the undesirables.

She should ask Margarita Sarfatti how that turned out for her.

OK, I had to Google that. One of Il Duce's girlfriends.

263 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:37:37pm

re: #257 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #247 brookly red

There's no need to wait and see on that bolded part, my friend. The stink they give off is noxiously apparent.

I learned long ago that my disliking something does not make it go away...

264 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:40:26pm

re: #260 brookly red

you are what you are too by the way ;)

Youtube Video
265 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:40:31pm

re: #263 brookly red

I learned long ago that my disliking something does not make it go away...

Of course not. Which is why I choose to actively oppose them, and any other pseudo-fascist or neo-fascist group who tries to gain power in this country.

266 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:41:31pm

re: #261 bratwurst

She is center right (and to the left of most Democrats in this country on social issues), but I have not heard exactly what she said in German and what the context was. I will try to do some research on this.

It's all over the news. She said it at a Junge Union meeting in Potsdam. Which by the way, as we would report about here, was an all white audience.

267 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:42:32pm

re: #265 Slumbering Behemoth

Of course not. Which is why I choose to actively oppose them, and any other pseudo-fascist or neo-fascist group who tries to gain power in this country.

well yes, but the original concern was in relation to their "staying power". and IMO the are not going away any time soon.

268 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:43:07pm

re: #247 brookly red

re: #229 prairiefire

we shall see, we shall see...

You forgot the "Bwah, ha, ha...

269 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:44:24pm

re: #267 brookly red

well yes, but the original concern was in relation to their "staying power". and IMO the are not going away any time soon.

The projected numbers for the Colbert/Stewart rally look good. I'm hoping that's the beginning of the "Great Deflation".

270 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:44:54pm

re: #268 prairiefire

You forgot the "Bwah, ha, ha...

do I really need to?

271 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:45:23pm

re: #269 Decatur Deb

The projected numbers for the Colbert/Stewart rally look good. I'm hoping that's the beginning of the "Great Deflation".

Perhaps it already has begun :)

272 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:45:36pm

re: #250 CuriousLurker

Pastrami it is then. I'll use my fancy Panini press (big cast iron skillet with a 5 lb. bag of flour on it) to make it a hot sandwich. BBL

Thank you! I was wondering what to put on top of the sandwich in my cast iron griddle.

273 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:46:25pm

re: #272 prairiefire
Anything heavy. Large cans work well.

274 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:46:28pm

re: #261 bratwurst

Thanks. And stay safe.

275 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:46:55pm

re: #267 brookly red

well yes, but the original concern was in relation to their "staying power". and IMO the are not going away any time soon.

Again, I suspect you're correct.

276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:47:36pm

Hey guys... I'll talk to you guys in a week or so. My mom just passed away.

Keep my dad in your thoughts and stuff... thanks for all of the support y'all have given me over these past few incredibly sucky months.

277 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:47:36pm

re: #271 publicityStunted

Perhaps it already has begun :)

Very Good. There's a tone of internal financial grab in there. That had a lot to do with the disintegration of the 1920's Klan.

278 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:48:58pm

re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

God bless, FBV.

279 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:49:09pm

re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry to hear that. Go safely.

280 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:49:14pm

re: #251 publicityStunted

He went after you as well, though his epithet in that case - "San Francisco Anti-Zionist" - wasn't nearly as clever :P I believe his username was gegentrik or something like that.

gegenkritik?
or something.

281 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:49:25pm

re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm so sorry, man. Take care of yourself.

282 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:49:47pm

re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am very sorry to hear that. You and your family are in my prayers.

283 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:49:49pm

re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Damn bro, I am so sorry to hear that. Your family has been going through some pretty rough times this year. I certainly hope things start looking up for you soon. Stay tough, FBV.

{FBV}

284 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:54:24pm

re: #271 publicityStunted


“This decision simply came down to a matter of economics,” Phillips, the founder of Tea Party Nation who is affiliated with the group FreeAmerica.org, told The Daily Caller. Phillips said the event fell victim to the “Obama economy."

Yeah, right. It had absolutely nothing to do with the price ($399) of the tickets.

Anyone who believes that, please give me a call. I have a number of bridges I am willing to part with at "Obama economy" prices.

285 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:55:47pm

I'm so sorry to hear that FBV. My thoughts are with you.

286 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:57:03pm

re: #272 prairiefire

Thank you! I was wondering what to put on top of the sandwich in my cast iron griddle.

You're welcome! A few large cans of whatever you have on hand also works if you're running low on flour. Time to go flip over my sammich...

287 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 5:58:35pm

re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey guys... I'll talk to you guys in a week or so. My mom just passed away.

Keep my dad in your thoughts and stuff... thanks for all of the support y'all have given me over these past few incredibly sucky months.

I'm so sorry, {{{FBV}}}. You're in my prayers.

288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:05:38pm

re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way... I don't blame Obama.

I'm just sayin'...

289 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:07:35pm

re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Prayers for you and yours FBV

{FBV}

290 webevintage  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:10:39pm

re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey guys... I'll talk to you guys in a week or so. My mom just passed away.

Keep my dad in your thoughts and stuff... thanks for all of the support y'all have given me over these past few incredibly sucky months.

I'm so very, very sorry to hear this.

291 swisslizard  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:29:29am

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