Sarah Palin, Phony Feminist

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Sarah Palin pretends to be a feminist while supporting a candidate who wants to force women to carry rapists’ babies to term, even if it kills them.

She is Woman,Hear Her Roar :) weeklystandard.com “Man Up” Sharron Angle exhorts Reid(w all due respect) no wimping around real problems

Orwell spins in his grave.

Connections:
Sarah Palin and the John Birch Society
Sharron Angle and the John Birch Society

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1 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:41:11pm

I don't think Orwell would even be surprised by Palin. He'd mourn the lies and hypocrisy but he'd understand entirely. He'd despise Palin.

2 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:42:43pm

I am sorry, I got a hard time getting my head around men trying to tell women what women should think... it's just me.

3 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:43:25pm

re: #2 brookly red

Huh? What are you talking about?

What man is telling women what women should think?

4 teleskiguy  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:45:14pm

Good effing Grief!

Hello Lizards! Been a long while since I've posted anything here. Was internet-less for a couple months. But I gots the internets again, the mountains are getting frosty white, and hopefully all is good in the world of the sane people.

The insane people, however . . .

5 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:45:15pm

re: #2 brookly red

I am sorry, I got a hard time getting my head around men trying to tell women what women should think... it's just me.

right out of the gate!

6 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:46:42pm

re: #2 brookly red

I am sorry, I got a hard time getting my head around men trying to tell women what women should think... it's just me.

Sarah Palin can think whatever she wants to think, no matter how reactionary and deceptive it is.

And I can criticize her for it.

7 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:47:06pm

Sarah supports a candidate who wants to force women to carry rapists’ babies to term, even if it kills them. Oy vey this is very upsetting.

8 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:47:27pm

re: #5 WindUpBird

right out of the gate!

re: #5 WindUpBird

right out of the gate!

OK bird you go tell the girl how to think... just remember to leave the seat down k?

9 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:48:15pm

re: #6 Charles

Sarah Palin can think whatever she wants to think, no matter how reactionary and deceptive it is.

And I can criticize her for it.

as you like it Sir...

10 Lidane  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:49:04pm

The idea that Sarah Palin is in any way a feminist is laughable. It's like trying to argue that Phyllis Schlafly is a feminist.

11 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:49:55pm

Evening lizards!

12 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:50:50pm

re: #9 brookly red

Oh man, were you really saying that no man can comment on what a feminist is or isn't?

How incredibly strange.

13 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:52:56pm

I think Helen Reddy is just spinning, too!

14 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:53:49pm

re: #13 marjoriemoon

I think Helen Reddy is just spinning, too!

Although not in a grave.

15 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:54:26pm

re: #12 Obdicut

Oh man, were you really saying that no man can comment on what a feminist is or isn't?

How incredibly strange.

perhaps, but I stand by it. That is why I don't comment much on abortion threads, I am a guy so I yield to those that have a vested interest.

16 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:54:45pm

Who is leading the feminist movement today? (I don't keep up on these things)

17 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:54:48pm

re: #14 Gus 802

Although not in a grave.

True. I realized I left that out after I posted!

18 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:55:18pm

re: #17 marjoriemoon

True. I realized I left that out after I posted!

I made sure I checked first. ;)

19 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:56:15pm

re: #16 NJDhockeyfan

Who is leading the feminist movement today? (I don't keep up on these things)

I think Hillary, but certainly there isn't only One leader. The Muslim world has some awesome women leaders which I think is great. They need them. I like Daisy Khan and Irshad Manji and the woman who wrote Reading Lolita (I forgot her name).

20 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:58:10pm

re: #15 brookly red

perhaps, but I stand by it. That is why I don't comment much on abortion threads, I am a guy so I yield to those that have a vested interest.

So, if one woman said, "All women should be the property of men," and one woman said, "Women should have equal rights to men", you would say, "Nope, I can't figure out which one is the feminist."?

21 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:58:14pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon
Here is the link from Barnes and Noble. [Link: productsearch.barnesandnoble.com...]

22 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:58:15pm

re: #15 brookly red

perhaps, but I stand by it. That is why I don't comment much on abortion threads, I am a guy so I yield to those that have a vested interest.

Why? If you extend that logic then there can't be any male obstetricians and gynecologists. What about the Supreme Court and other courts? Would men have to recuse themselves for being male when an abortion case comes before them? I don't get it.

23 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:58:26pm

re: #16 NJDhockeyfan

Who is leading the feminist movement today? (I don't keep up on these things)

It's a good question really because feminism is much different today than say, my mother's or even my grandmother's feminism. I'd have to think more, but Hillary popped into my mind.

24 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:59:15pm

re: #21 PhillyPretzel

Here is the link from Barnes and Noble. [Link: productsearch.barnesandnoble.com...]

Azar Nafisi. Amazing lady.

25 Lidane  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:59:31pm

re: #16 NJDhockeyfan

I don't think there's anyone. I haven't heard about anyone in years that would be considered a current feminist leader, just because things have changed so much lately.

Honestly? Most of the younger women I know get more from Lady Gaga than they do Gloria Steinem. That's just the way things are now.

26 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 6:59:46pm

re: #20 Obdicut

re: #22 Gus 802

as I said, I yield to those with a vested interest.

27 JRCMYP  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:00:53pm

Palin is no feminist. She's all elbows. Never mistake a turn of phrase for actual commitment to the betterment of womankind.

28 jaunte  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:02:07pm

When a female politician tells a male opponent to 'man up' it's really the opposite of a feminist statement. There's no way for the male to respond in kind without appearing 'unchivalrous.

29 JRCMYP  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:04:50pm

And of course men can be feminists. My husband rarely talks the talk, but he certainly walks the walk.

30 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:04:56pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon

I think Hillary, but certainly there isn't only One leader. The Muslim world has some awesome women leaders which I think is great. They need them. I like Daisy Khan and Irshad Manji and the woman who wrote Reading Lolita (I forgot her name).

Have you heard of Zainab Salbi and her work to help women in war zones?

31 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:05:00pm

re: #23 marjoriemoon

It's a good question really because feminism is much different today than say, my mother's or even my grandmother's feminism. I'd have to think more, but Hillary popped into my mind.

It is different than the 70s for sure. For example, I haven't seen any bra burning rallies lately.

32 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:06:11pm

re: #9 brookly red

as you like it Sir...

I am writing Merriam-Webster to see if they would be willing to include your post above as an example in their definition of "unctuous".

33 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:06:20pm

re: #25 Lidane

I don't think there's anyone. I haven't heard about anyone in years that would be considered a current feminist leader, just because things have changed so much lately.

Honestly? Most of the younger women I know get more from Lady Gaga than they do Gloria Steinem. That's just the way things are now.

Ditto. The days of Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, Bella Abzug are long gone. One of the main reasons is because of their work and over time women became more mainstreamed into various levels of society. There are still feminist leaders (speakers and educators) but they are numerous and each one espouses a variety of ideas or a particular niche. Of course there was always opposing views within the movement.

34 JRCMYP  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:06:59pm

@juante when a female politician speaks thus, it's because they can't articulate a better argument, nor do they have enough respect for men to have a civil conversation. It's the antithesis of feminism. And it's just plain mean.

35 Lidane  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:07:35pm

re: #31 NJDhockeyfan

That's because bras are expensive. I'm not about to burn something that I paid good money for over some perceived or actual grievance.

Besides, I've got the internet at my fingertips. I can get my angst out in other, more productive ways than marching out in the streets and burning a bra.

36 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:08:14pm

I am watching Predator on AMC right now. There are no feminists in that movie.

37 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:09:02pm

re: #36 NJDhockeyfan

I am watching Predator on AMC right now. There are no feminists in that movie.

No, but Alien has two.

38 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:09:09pm

re: #25 Lidane

I don't think there's anyone. I haven't heard about anyone in years that would be considered a current feminist leader, just because things have changed so much lately.

Honestly? Most of the younger women I know get more from Lady Gaga than they do Gloria Steinem. That's just the way things are now.

Indeed, but the role of feminist has changed and is presenting itself differently now. No longer are we struggling to get the jobs or recognition. I mean, there's some of that. Fair wage issues, too, but we've come a long way. We've figured out how to get an education, a job and have a family at the same time. With the help of men, of course! So role models like Gloria Steinem or Bella Abzug are kind of gone and now successful, working women are taking their place.

39 jaunte  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:09:46pm

re: #34 JRCMYP

They're exploiting the difference to land an unanswerable insult, that adds nothing to the debate for the voters but does reveal their character.

40 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:09:53pm

re: #29 JRCMYP

And of course men can be feminists. My husband rarely talks the talk, but he certainly walks the walk.

My cousin's hubby is a feminist. They met at a feminist rally hehe

41 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:10:39pm

re: #30 publicityStunted

Have you heard of Zainab Salbi and her work to help women in war zones?

Oh no! That looks great. Bookmarked. Thanks!

42 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:10:50pm

re: #16 NJDhockeyfan

Who is leading the feminist movement today? (I don't keep up on these things)

The feminists I know recognize no "leader", and would probably line up to beat the piss out of anyone who tried to set themselves up as such. Which is as it should be.

43 freetoken  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:11:39pm

On topic, here is Esther endorsee Bill Marcy - start listening at 4:00 :

"All abortions are immoral... and should all be illegal."

44 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:12:43pm

re: #36 NJDhockeyfan

I am watching Predator on AMC right now. There are no feminists in that movie.

No, but it's intended as a "guy's movie". The woman in the movie is mostly there to be rescued.

45 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:13:25pm

re: #43 freetoken

On topic, here is Esther endorsee Bill Marcy - start listening at 4:00 :


[Video]"All abortions are immoral... and should all be illegal."

Why do you call her "Esther"?

46 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:15:44pm

re: #35 Lidane

That's because bras are expensive. I'm not about to burn something that I paid good money for over some perceived or actual grievance.

Besides, I've got the internet at my fingertips. I can get my angst out in other, more productive ways than marching out in the streets and burning a bra.

You'll have to find an animated bra burning GIF.

I know, not nearly the same.

47 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:16:35pm

Off topic, but this is a broadly educated group. Have a friend reading some 60's Russian SF and there is a space ship in it named "takhmasib". Does that translate as anything? (or anywho?)

My limited research came up that it might be a Farsi or Persian name, but no idea who or what it might relate to.

48 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:16:36pm

re: #42 negativ

The feminists I know recognize no "leader", and would probably line up to beat the piss out of anyone who tried to set themselves up as such. Which is as it should be.

Anarchist.

49 researchok  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:17:57pm

re: #43 freetoken

On topic, here is Esther endorsee Bill Marcy - start listening at 4:00 :


[Video]

"All abortions are immoral... and should all be illegal."

She is her own anchor.

50 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:18:22pm

re: #26 brookly red

Your position is nonsensical. Men can be, and have been, and are, feminists-- no matter what the definition of the term is.

51 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:19:14pm

re: #34 JRCMYP

@juante when a female politician speaks thus, it's because they can't articulate a better argument, nor do they have enough respect for men to have a civil conversation. It's the antithesis of feminism. And it's just plain mean.

It also plays right into (or at least tries to evoke) the sexist stereotypes of woman-as-ballbuster and henpecked man.

52 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:19:28pm

re: #43 freetoken

On topic, here is Esther endorsee Bill Marcy - start listening at 4:00 :


[Video]"All abortions are immoral... and should all be illegal."

OK I cracked open a beer. Another stupid American politician.

53 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:20:34pm

Crazies are so crazy they think you're insanely afraid of their awesomeness...
Are Big Media afraid of us? (via google)
By Joseph Farah

54 freetoken  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:21:26pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

Why do you call her "Esther"?

Many of her religious followers (which are by far the majority of her fans) keep raising the story of Esther when writing of Palin, implying (and sometimes explicitly stating) that God has raised up Sarah Palin to save the US just like Esther was to save Israel.

55 jaunte  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:21:47pm

re: #47 oaktree

Soviet-era film director?
[Link: www.imdb.com...]

56 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:22:06pm

re: #33 Gus 802

Ditto. The days of Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, Bella Abzug are long gone. One of the main reasons is because of their work and over time women became more mainstreamed into various levels of society. There are still feminist leaders (speakers and educators) but they are numerous and each one espouses a variety of ideas or a particular niche. Of course there was always opposing views within the movement.

You're so smart! hehe

Who knew that when we let ourselves out of the feminist closet, we'd end up with women like Angle and Palin who would try to stuff us back in.

57 Lidane  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:22:23pm

re: #47 oaktree

The best I can guess is that it relates to this man:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

"Takhmasib" is an alternate spelling of his surname, so maybe it's a reference to him?

58 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:23:56pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

By Joseph Farah

No.

59 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:24:01pm

re: #54 freetoken

Many of her religious followers (which are by far the majority of her fans) keep raising the story of Esther when writing of Palin, implying (and sometimes explicitly stating) that God has raised up Sarah Palin to save the US just like Esther was to save Israel.

No freakin way!!!! lol Now that's comedy right there.

60 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:24:38pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Crazies are so crazy they think you're insanely afraid of their awesomeness...
Are Big Media afraid of us? (via google)
By Joseph Farah

Oh, brother. Not that fanatical moron Farah again. He's unreadable.

61 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:24:41pm

re: #58 negativ

No.

yes.

62 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:24:46pm

re: #56 marjoriemoon

You're so smart! hehe

Who knew that when we let ourselves out of the feminist closet, we'd end up with women like Angle and Palin who would try to stuff us back in.

Yeah. It's very confusing to see people call themselves feminists while seeking to turn back the hands of time. I was trying to think of some other parallels. For instance one couldn't be a feminist if they sought to disallow women from being fighter pilots. The idea is to move forward or, yes, progress, not regress.

63 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:25:11pm

Let us progress, not regress!

Just call me Gus Sharpton.

//

64 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:25:26pm

re: #57 Lidane

The best I can guess is that it relates to this man:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

"Takhmasib" is an alternate spelling of his surname, so maybe it's a reference to him?

re: #55 jaunte

Soviet-era film director?
[Link: www.imdb.com...]

Would make sense as an homage by the writers. Thanks for the suggestions and I'll pass them on.

65 jaunte  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:25:35pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout


The Big Media will never forgive us for helping to ignite the Internet news revolution


Sure, Joseph, it was all WND.

66 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:25:50pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Crazies are so crazy they think you're insanely afraid of their awesomeness...
Are Big Media afraid of us? (via google)
By Joseph Farah

That's a very common right wing delusion -- they mistake contempt and derision for fear.

67 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:26:07pm

re: #62 Gus 802

I blame Camille Paglia.

68 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:26:22pm

They have a long way to go before any successful feminists movement in Saudi Arabia can be successful:

Al-Azhar Sheikh, Muhammad Al-Mussayyer On Wife Beating In Islam, Iqra TV (Saudi Arabia), June 7, 2004

69 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:26:22pm

re: #13 marjoriemoon

I think Helen Reddy is just spinning, too!

I always hated that song. Hated it.

70 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:27:30pm

re: #66 Charles

That's a very common right wing delusion -- they mistake contempt and derision for fear.

I remember the days of being accused of hating awesomely strong women for not liking Sarah Palin. Wingnuts have become convinced their mistakes are their greatest achievements.

71 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:28:21pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts have become convinced their mistakes are their greatest achievements.

And they're right.

72 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:28:35pm

re: #69 Alouette

I always hated that song. Hated it.

My sister cringed everything the radio played her song. It was like fingernails on a chalkboard to her.

73 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:28:53pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Crazies are so crazy they think you're insanely afraid of their awesomeness...
Are Big Media afraid of us? (via google)
By Joseph Farah

It almost like they need to be hospitalized for them to realize what a joke WND. Maybe after a few days of therapy they'd see it.

74 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:29:21pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards. I am headed to the Star Empire of Manticore. [Link: encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com...]

75 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:31:49pm

re: #74 PhillyPretzel

Good Night to my fellow Lizards. I am headed to the Star Empire of Manticore. [Link: encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com...]

Enjoy. Weber is a good fiction writer.

76 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:33:11pm

Predator 2 is on now. Lots of wonderful machinegun fire in the beginning.

77 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:33:12pm

re: #72 NJDhockeyfan

My sister cringed everything the radio played her song. It was like fingernails on a chalkboard to her.

You sister is a songwriter or a recording artist?

78 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:34:28pm

re: #54 freetoken

Many of her religious followers (which are by far the majority of her fans) keep raising the story of Esther when writing of Palin, implying (and sometimes explicitly stating) that God has raised up Sarah Palin to save the US just like Esther was to save Israel.

Might have been used by Bishop Muthee, the "witch hunter" when he held his anointing of her. Speaking of whom, why isn't he in Delaware?

79 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:34:43pm

re: #77 Alouette

You sister is a songwriter or a recording artist?

No, Helen Reddy's song came out when she was in high school and it drove her nuts whenever it came on the radio.

80 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:35:02pm

re: #76 NJDhockeyfan

Predator 2 is on now. Lots of wonderful machinegun fire in the beginning.

I didn't like that movie as much. It's very over-the-top, and that kind of annoys me.

81 pharmmajor  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:35:44pm

I think Ari Armstrong of Free Colorado can best interject some logic into the whole abortion debate: ([Link: blog.ariarmstrong.com...]

The logical conclusion of abortion bans is that government agents should forcibly restrain women to prevent them from getting abortions. After all, if abortion is murder, as advocates of abortion bans routinely claim, then driving down the street to obtain an abortion is morally and legally equivalent to driving down the street with a loaded shotgun to blow your neighbor's head off. Police have every right to arrest and forcibly restrain threatening individuals. If abortion is murder, then a woman who declares her intent to get an abortion has threatened murder and must be strapped down if necessary to ensure delivery.

But a fertilized egg is not a person. A fertilized egg does not properly have the legal rights of a born infant. Abortion is not murder. Women have every right to take birth control drugs or obtain an abortion. Abortion bans place a woman's body under the control of the government and threaten to unleash a heavy-handed police state.

82 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:36:08pm

Re posted, sorry, I posted it on a dead thread.

Father of fractals Mandelbrot dies

Maverick French-American mathematician Benoit Mandelbrot, who explored a new class of mathematical shapes known as fractals, has died at age 85 in the United States, his family said.

Dr Mandelbrot, who died of cancer in Cambridge, Massachusetts, became known for his ground-breaking study of fractal geometry, used to measure irregular outlines once considered unmeasurable.

83 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:36:32pm

re: #79 NJDhockeyfan

No, Helen Reddy's song came out when she was in high school and it drove her nuts whenever it came on the radio.

You said her song so I thought you meant your sister's song.

I hate that stupid "I am woman" song. hate it hate it hate it. Did Helen Reddy ever record anything else?

84 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:36:49pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

I didn't like that movie as much. It's very over-the-top, and that kind of annoys me.

It's definitely not as good but not a really bad movie either. It's missing Arnold for one thing.

85 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:37:11pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

I didn't like that movie as much. It's very over-the-top, and that kind of annoys me.

!
I don't know you anymore!
/

86 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:38:40pm

re: #83 Alouette

You said her song so I thought you meant your sister's song.

I hate that stupid "I am woman" song. hate it hate it hate it. Did Helen Reddy ever record anything else?

Actually enjoyed "Candle on the Water" when I saw "Pete's Dragon" with the kids.

87 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:39:12pm

re: #83 Alouette

You said her song so I thought you meant your sister's song.

I hate that stupid "I am woman" song. hate it hate it hate it. Did Helen Reddy ever record anything else?

I think that song was her 10 minutes of fame. She did nothing else as far as I know.

88 pharmmajor  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:39:13pm

re: #84 NJDhockeyfan

It's definitely not as good but not a really bad movie either. It's missing Arnold for one thing.

Missing Arnold, are you? I can fix that: (go to the 0:57 mark for the most fun)

89 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:42:24pm

re: #87 NJDhockeyfan

I think that song was her 10 minutes of fame. She did nothing else as far as I know.

Just checked her discography. She did some really treacly crap.

90 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:44:05pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

Just checked her discography. She did some really treacly crap.

I want to know how that cheesy, smarmy tin tune became the "Feminist Anthem" and anybody who doesn't like it is someho "anti-woman."

91 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:44:40pm

re: #90 Alouette

I want to know how that cheesy, smarmy tin tune became the "Feminist Anthem" and anybody who doesn't like it is somehoW "anti-woman."

Geez. PIMF.

92 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:45:07pm

re: #90 Alouette

Ingenious Male Plot. You have no chance against us.

93 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:45:32pm

re: #83 Alouette

You said her song so I thought you meant your sister's song.

I hate that stupid "I am woman" song. hate it hate it hate it. Did Helen Reddy ever record anything else?

It took 2 minutes for some singer to sing..The first time ever saw your face...Blah blah blah.. Perhaps the slowest crappiest song in all of history.. I considered chopsticks to the ears...
And the song Loving you is easy cause you're beautiful drove me crazy...When she hit the high F# I wanted a suitcase nuclear bomb to put me out of my misery...*wink*
Hey but don't worry..Be happy...
/Looking up launch codes

94 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:45:36pm

re: #67 Obdicut

I blame Camille Paglia.

Ugh. I'm ashamed to admit that, back in the late 90s, I was a fan of her writings. It took me a while to realize just how sinister and dangerous her philosophy was - pretending to empower when it was actually twisting the concepts of "independence" and "personal responsibility" to mean anything bad that happened to women was their own damn fault, and that, instead of trying to improve society, they should just suck it up and deal (sound familiar?)

And her fawning, simpering, delusional defenses of Sarah Palin wiped out any shred of credibility she might have had left in my mind (ironic indeed that Paglia, who constantly condemned modern feminists for being "whiny victims", heaped praise upon the one politician who perfected that persona).

95 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:46:47pm

re: #90 Alouette

I want to know how that cheesy, smarmy tin tune became the "Feminist Anthem" and anybody who doesn't like it is someho "anti-woman."

I much prefer this as the ultimate "Feminist Anthem". NSFW

96 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:47:24pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

Just checked her discography. She did some really treacly crap.

Helen Reddy's biggest hits were I am Woman and Delta Dawn. There was probably more.

She was kind of a country/soft rock crossover. Ok for what it was. I hated it also as a kid, but I really like it now. I think I appreciate her now.

97 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:47:43pm

re: #93 HoosierHoops

It took 2 minutes for some singer to sing..The first time ever saw your face...Blah blah blah.. Perhaps the slowest crappiest song in all of history.. I considered chopsticks to the ears...
And the song Loving you is easy cause you're beautiful drove me crazy...When she hit the high F# I wanted a suitcase nuclear bomb to put me out of my misery...*wink*
Hey but don't worry..Be happy...
/Looking up launch codes

So many cheesy, horrible songs to hate.

Cheryl Crow and Kid Rock: "Ah putcha pitcha awaaaayyy"

One of the reasons I stopped listening to music stations.

98 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:48:35pm

re: #93 HoosierHoops

It took 2 minutes for some singer to sing..The first time ever saw your face...Blah blah blah.. Perhaps the slowest crappiest song in all of history.. I considered chopsticks to the ears...
And the song Loving you is easy cause you're beautiful drove me crazy...When she hit the high F# I wanted a suitcase nuclear bomb to put me out of my misery...*wink*
Hey but don't worry..Be happy...
/Looking up launch codes

I'm assuming not to many Captain and Tenille fans here either LOL

99 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:48:44pm

re: #93 HoosierHoops

It took 2 minutes for some singer to sing..The first time ever saw your face...Blah blah blah.. Perhaps the slowest crappiest song in all of history.. I considered chopsticks to the ears...
And the song Loving you is easy cause you're beautiful drove me crazy...When she hit the high F# I wanted a suitcase nuclear bomb to put me out of my misery...*wink*
Hey but don't worry..Be happy...
/Looking up launch codes

Have you heard Bonnie Dobson sing "The First Time"? She did the first release of it. Then she went on to write "Morning Dew" for the Greatful Dead.

100 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:48:59pm

re: #98 marjoriemoon

I'm assuming not to many Captain and Tenille fans here either LOL

Now you're just playing with fire!

101 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:50:01pm

re: #98 marjoriemoon

I'm assuming not to many Captain and Tenille fans here either LOL

The 1970's were the worst decade for pop culture in the entire history of the earth.

102 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:50:04pm

I belted out "I Am Woman" when I was 11, definitely. It felt more empowering than being a dancer on the "Dean Martin" show.

103 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:50:32pm

re: #93 HoosierHoops

It took 2 minutes for some singer to sing..The first time ever saw your face...Blah blah blah.. Perhaps the slowest crappiest song in all of history.. I considered chopsticks to the ears...
And the song Loving you is easy cause you're beautiful drove me crazy...When she hit the high F# I wanted a suitcase nuclear bomb to put me out of my misery...*wink*
Hey but don't worry..Be happy...
/Looking up launch codes

The codes were lost.

104 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:51:17pm

re: #98 marjoriemoon

I'm assuming not to many Captain and Tenille fans here either LOL

Don't be so quick to assume. This one is my favorite.

105 sagehen  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:51:23pm

re: #56 marjoriemoon

You're so smart! hehe

Who knew that when we let ourselves out of the feminist closet, we'd end up with women like Angle and Palin who would try to stuff us back in.

While of course demanding for themselves all the benefits of the feminist movement's achievements...

106 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:51:34pm

re: #96 marjoriemoon

Helen Reddy's biggest hits were I am Woman and Delta Dawn. There was probably more.

She was kind of a country/soft rock crossover. Ok for what it was. I hated it also as a kid, but I really like it now. I think I appreciate her now.

Screw that, I'm just getting older :(

No, I don't have any Helen Reddy CDs. Or Captain and Tenille.

107 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:51:50pm

"Muskrat Suzie, Muskrat Sam..."

108 jaunte  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:51:51pm

re: #101 Alouette

The 1970's were the worst decade for pop culture in the entire history of the earth.


Case in point:

Brandy, you're a fine girl
what a good wife you would be,
but it's hard to steal a sailor from the sea.
109 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:52:56pm

re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't be so quick to assume. This one is my favorite.

Hmm Not the Captain and Tenille I was thinking about!

110 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:53:03pm

Helen Reddy?

111 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:53:46pm

OT:

The Guardian's comment thread continues to inflame the Stalkers. Their latest hate round was after former lizard "Irish Rose" showed up to call Pam Geller a "hateful, bigoted, narcissistic, paranoid extremist". Irish Rose behaved badly and earned the boot from LGF, but she was only telling the truth about Geller. For this, the stalkers attacked using their "Diary of Daedalus", calling her vile names such as "baboon", "fatass pig" and "Irish Whore".

Please note: I do not post this to praise Irish Rose (and I have no objection if Charles thinks this post should be deleted). This is to show just how hateful Geller's fans become at someone whose only offense was to speak the truth about her.

112 freetoken  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:54:34pm

Evidence bribery works (as if we needed that to be confirmed...):


Pastor to get car for not burning Koran

The manager of a New Jersey car dealership says a Florida minister is getting the car he was promised if he refrained from burning the Koran.

David Canton of Brad Benson Hyundai in New Brunswick told CNN the Rev. Terry Jones will be given a 2011 Accent valued at $13,600.

Jones, pastor of Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, a church with a congregation of about 50, became an international celebrity when he threatened to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11, the ninth anniversary of the 2001 terrorist attacks. He changed his plans after the proposed burning was denounced by President Obama, Army Gen. David Petraeus and many others.

The dealership offered the car as an additional inducement. Canton said someone from the church recently called to see if the offer was still on.

"He stood up to his end of the bargain and we're standing up to ours," Canton said.

A woman at the church told CNN Jones plans to give the car to a Muslim charitable organization.

Well, all those people standing outside my local grocery store begging for money for TJ orphanages need to up their technique, I'd say ...

Extortion For Jesus!

113 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:54:39pm

re: #108 jaunte

Case in point:

You didn't like Gordon Lightfoot?

114 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:54:47pm

re: #101 Alouette

The 1970's were the worst decade for pop culture in the entire history of the earth.

Ben by MJ should have ruined his career..Would have saved his life which is ironic....
But Billie Jean revived it...
I feel bad for him..Tragic life..Never fly to close to the sun lizards..It's not worth it...

115 EdDantes  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:55:05pm

re: #82 ozbloke

Thank you for the post. I hadn't heard that. I'm still trying to understand the Mandelbrot set.

116 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:55:13pm

re: #108 jaunte

Counter Point.

117 jaunte  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:55:16pm

re: #113 marjoriemoon

That was him? I'll have to reconsider!

118 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:56:03pm

re: #114 HoosierHoops

Ben by MJ should have ruined his career..Would have saved his life which is ironic...
But Billie Jean revived it...
I feel bad for him..Tragic life..Never fly to close to the sun lizards..It's not worth it...

Ruined his career? Every had that 45, dude.

119 jaunte  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:56:36pm

re: #116 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, now you're bringing the classics into it.

120 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:56:51pm

re: #118 prairiefire

pimf everybody. It was a #1 for how long?

121 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:56:54pm

re: #117 jaunte

That was him? I'll have to reconsider!

I be wrong! Looking Glass

(Because I love you :p)

122 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:56:58pm

re: #108 jaunte

Case in point:

Played that dang song in our high school band..A minor was so easy then...And I could sing it

123 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:57:13pm

re: #101 Alouette

The 1970's were the worst decade for pop culture in the entire history of the earth.

The 1970's made up for it with some great rock music.

124 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:57:35pm

re: #107 prairiefire

"Muskrat Suzie, Muskrat Sam..."

dang. I step out for a beer & we go from the dire plight of women to Muskrat Suzie... remind me never to post before 100.

125 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:58:25pm

OT: Why has no one told me of this?

You gamer Lizards are on my shit list as of right now!
/

126 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:58:40pm

re: #124 brookly red

dang. I step out for a beer & we go from the dire plight of women to Muskrat Suzie... remind me never to post before 100.

Ya gotta understand the metaphor. It's like deep dude.

127 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:58:51pm

re: #124 brookly red

dang. I step out for a beer & we go from the dire plight of women to Muskrat Suzie... remind me never to post before 100.

Yummy yummy I got love in my tummy..
/

128 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 7:58:54pm

re: #121 marjoriemoon

I be wrong! Looking Glass


[Video]

(Because I love you :p)

I love that song.

129 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:00:26pm

re: #121 marjoriemoon

I be wrong! Looking Glass


[Video](Because I love you :p)

Embedding Disabled By Request is my favorite song ever.

130 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:00:39pm

re: #123 NJDhockeyfan

The 1970's made up for it with some great rock music.


[Video]

There rock was the best, of course.

But there was a whole folk rock genre. A lot of great women, speaking of feminism. And Helen Reddy was part of that. She just wasn't gritty like Janis or particularly hip like Joni Mitchell.

131 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:00:43pm

re: #119 jaunte

I was born in '71, but had I been in my twenties during the '70s, bands like Black Sabbath would have been the only thing keeping me from saying "Fuck this shit!" and becoming a hermit in the arctic.

132 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:00:53pm

re: #127 HoosierHoops

Yummy yummy I got love in my tummy..
/

you think I can't find you don't you?

133 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:01:02pm

re: #113 marjoriemoon

You didn't like Gordon Lightfoot?

I do:

134 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:01:13pm

re: #125 Slumbering Behemoth

OT: Why has no one told me of this?

You gamer Lizards are on my shit list as of right now!
/

Dude where ya been? My husband's been playing it for weeks now.

135 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:01:51pm

re: #125 Slumbering Behemoth

OT: Why has no one told me of this?

You gamer Lizards are on my shit list as of right now!
/

I'm not thinking about it because I cannot afford to buy it.

136 Four More Tears  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:01:57pm

I predict low voter turnout like we have not seen in ages this year.

137 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:01:59pm

re: #95 Slumbering Behemoth

I much prefer this as the ultimate "Feminist Anthem". NSFW

Good gawt a'mighty!

How in hell did you find that?

138 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:02:22pm

re: #134 marjoriemoon

Dude where ya been? My husband's been playing it for weeks now.

Busy, I guess. How does he like it so far? Compared to Civ IV?

139 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:02:23pm

re: #129 negativ

Embedding Disabled By Request is my favorite song ever.

Come a little closer to your monitor and I'll sing it to you.

140 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:02:41pm

re: #130 marjoriemoon

There rock was the best, of course.

But there was a whole folk rock genre. A lot of great women, speaking of feminism. And Helen Reddy was part of that. She just wasn't gritty like Janis or particularly hip like Joni Mitchell.

My mom loved Joni Mitchell. Me? Not so much.

141 jaunte  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:02:46pm

re: #121 marjoriemoon

One of the guys I work with is a musician of a certain age, susceptible to that song as an earworm. I sneak up on him occasionally with a few of the lyrics, and it kills him for the rest of the day.

142 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:02:48pm

re: #130 marjoriemoon

There rock was the best, of course.

But there was a whole folk rock genre. A lot of great women, speaking of feminism. And Helen Reddy was part of that. She just wasn't gritty like Janis or particularly hip like Joni Mitchell.

Joan Baez was much better than Helen Reddy, even when she was singing those dreary, tedious old Communist labor ballads.

143 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:03:15pm

re: #130 marjoriemoon

There rock was the best, of course.

But there was a whole folk rock genre. A lot of great women, speaking of feminism. And Helen Reddy was part of that. She just wasn't gritty like Janis or particularly hip like Joni Mitchell.

Peak of Folk Rock, Farewell Aldebaran, has this:

[Link: www.google.com...]

144 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:04:01pm

I'm thinking nobody's seen the new multi-player/level Lego Universe game? The Lego server crashed when it was introduced on the 12th.
I think we are going to buy the game($40) and 6 months presrcription($60). Seems kind of steep./

145 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:04:25pm

re: #138 Slumbering Behemoth

Busy, I guess. How does he like it so far? Compared to Civ IV?

At first he didn't at all, but then he got into it. They changed it a lot. It's a little more streamlined. Not as much hands on tweaking stuff, but he still loves it.

146 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:04:25pm

re: #140 NJDhockeyfan

My mom loved Joni Mitchell. Me? Not so much.

Joni Mitchell was a better songwriter than singer. Judy Collins had a better voice by far.

147 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:04:29pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

Good gawt a'mighty!

How in hell did you find that?

Used to have that album back in the day. They were quite funny (to me, at least), and I had a bit of a crush on Ann Magnuson. Still kinda do, actually.

148 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:05:04pm

re: #142 Alouette

Joan Baez was much better than Helen Reddy, even when she was singing those dreary, tedious old Communist labor ballads.

/I am surprised we aren't getting commie-remix dance versions today :P

149 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:05:15pm

re: #136 JasonA

I predict low voter turnout like we have not seen in ages this year.

How are you?

150 sagehen  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:05:23pm

re: #123 NJDhockeyfan

The 1970's made up for it with some great rock music.


[Video]

151 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:05:40pm

re: #146 Alouette

Joni Mitchell was a better songwriter than singer. Judy Collins had a better voice by far.

Johnny Cash sang with both of them. I'm a big Cash fan.

152 pharmmajor  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:05:41pm

re: #136 JasonA

I predict low voter turnout like we have not seen in ages this year.

You're probably right. I'm just hoping that will work to the advantage of people voting for more rational independents and third party candidates. If they come out in greater numbers than disillusioned Democratic and Republican voters, well then... we might just get back on the right track.

153 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:06:04pm

re: #148 brookly red

/I am surprised we aren't getting commie-remix dance versions today :P

Those songs were crap for dancing. I don't know what they played at Commie clubs for people to dance to.

154 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:06:09pm

re: #147 Slumbering Behemoth

Used to have that album back in the day. They were quite funny (to me, at least), and I had a bit of a crush on Ann Magnuson. Still kinda do, actually.

Dude, you remember Ann? She is fantastic.

155 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:07:13pm

re: #136 JasonA

I predict low voter turnout like we have not seen in ages this year.

oooh this is gonna hurt.

156 sagehen  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:07:28pm

re: #123 NJDhockeyfan

The 1970's made up for it with some great rock music.


[Video]

157 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:08:04pm

re: #140 NJDhockeyfan

My mom loved Joni Mitchell. Me? Not so much.

My mom could play piano like nobodies business.. One day I came home from school and she sat me down and played the whole album of Pearl from Janis Joplin...Fuck she was so ahead of her time...I wanted to go out to play and she made me sit and listen to the whole album on sheet music.. My mom could play anything on piano...I miss her...

158 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:08:25pm

re: #131 Slumbering Behemoth

I was born in '71, but had I been in my twenties during the '70s, bands like Black Sabbath would have been the only thing keeping me from saying "Fuck this shit!" and becoming a hermit in the arctic.

and

159 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:08:54pm

re: #152 pharmmajor

The number of rational third party and independent candidates running for office is very low. Most of them seem to be AGW-denying Tenther Libertarians, Constitutional Party whackjobs, or other assorted flavors from the Crazy jumbo pack.

160 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:09:16pm

re: #145 marjoriemoon

I likely will need to upgrade my PC to play it in all it's glory, so it will have to wait. Which is fine. I said to myself after buying the last Civ IV expansion that if they come out with a Civ V, I will wait to buy it after they come out with the "Civ V Ultimate Gold Ball-Buster Edition" with all the expansions and extras bundled with it for $29.95.

/Damn you, Sid. Where the hell is SMACII?!?!

161 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:09:19pm

re: #153 Alouette

Those songs were crap for dancing. I don't know what they played at Commie clubs for people to dance to.

Then or now?


same as everyone else they just didn't admit to it...

162 Four More Tears  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:09:40pm

re: #149 prairiefire

How are you?

Perfectly sober dammit.
But I'm gainfully employed (not that I'm actually gaining much) , and have a young lady occupying much of my time. Also, I can't seem to get off of my shiny new smartphone.

So in other words... better!

You?

163 sagehen  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:10:00pm

re: #123 NJDhockeyfan

The 1970's made up for it with some great rock music.


[Video]


164 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:11:00pm

re: #153 Alouette

Those songs were crap for dancing. I don't know what they played at Commie clubs for people to dance to.

In Soviet Union, state dances YOU!

165 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:11:36pm

re: #146 Alouette

Joni Mitchell was a better songwriter than singer. Judy Collins had a better voice by far.

I loved Joni's voice. I think she's so soulful. The hottest gal in town at the time was probably Carole King.

166 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:11:54pm

re: #141 jaunte

One of the guys I work with is a musician of a certain age, susceptible to that song as an earworm. I sneak up on him occasionally with a few of the lyrics, and it kills him for the rest of the day.

LOL!

167 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:12:07pm

re: #154 prairiefire

Dude, you remember Ann? She is fantastic.

And still quite attractive, IMNSHO.

168 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:12:13pm

re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth

I likely will need to upgrade my PC to play it in all it's glory, so it will have to wait. Which is fine. I said to myself after buying the last Civ IV expansion that if they come out with a Civ V, I will wait to buy it after they come out with the "Civ V Ultimate Gold Ball-Buster Edition" with all the expansions and extras bundled with it for $29.95.

/Damn you, Sid. Where the hell is SMACII?!?!

And it has to be Linux. I keep a copy of Windows (spit) Vista on a laptop just for Civ IV.

169 sagehen  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:12:19pm

re: #123 NJDhockeyfan

The 1970's made up for it with some great rock music.


[Video]


170 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:13:12pm

Johnny Cash and Eazy E

[Link: soundcloud.com...]

171 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:13:12pm

re: #153 Alouette

Those songs were crap for dancing. I don't know what they played at Commie clubs for people to dance to.

Commies dance?

172 sagehen  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:13:46pm

re: #123 NJDhockeyfan

The 1970's made up for it with some great rock music.


[Video]

173 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:14:15pm

re: #171 NJDhockeyfan

Commies dance?

Disco in red cheap polyester suits

174 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:14:19pm

re: #162 JasonA

I am well, thanks. We are having a beautiful Fall.
And it is spooker season:[Link: imgur.com...]

175 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:14:55pm

re: #165 marjoriemoon

I loved Joni's voice. I think she's so soulful. The hottest gal in town at the time was probably Carole King.

Carole King was writing long before she recorded. 1960:
[Link: www.google.com...]

176 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:15:26pm

re: #169 sagehen

[Video]

Outstanding! I just discovered a punk rock channel on my XM radio. I can get enough.

177 Four More Tears  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:15:44pm

re: #174 prairiefire

I am well, thanks. We are having a beautiful Fall.
And it is spooker season:[Link: imgur.com...]

Wow. You guys start early. :D

178 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:15:45pm

Something good came out of Texas government!

179 darthstar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:16:29pm

Suck it, Philly.

180 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:16:33pm

re: #171 NJDhockeyfan

Commies dance?

:)


To the left
To the left

To the left
To the left

Mmmm to the left
Everything you own in the box to the left
In the closet, thats my stuff
Yes, if I bought it, then please don't touch (don't touch)

181 Max  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:17:11pm

I supported putting Sarah Palin in the VP slot in 2008 before anyone even knew who she was. I saw her as someone who would balance out the Republican ticket and energize our base.

Now, after seeing her disgraceful performance on the "Ground Zero Mosque" non-issue, her endorsement of extremist candidates like Joe Miller, and her flirtation with of the John Birch Society, I must say I feel like a dirty Machiavellian.

I was wrong, and if I had known in 2008 what I know now, I would have dropped her like a hot potato and cheered for McCain-Romney.

182 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:17:45pm

re: #177 JasonA

Wow. You guys start early. :D

Yes! September 28th.
Scary bloody guy:[Link: imgur.com...]

183 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:18:08pm

re: #178 Obdicut

Something good came out of Texas government!


[Video]

Watch that, then tell me this FotF woman doesn't make you sick.

184 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:18:19pm

re: #171 NJDhockeyfan

Commies dance?

Sorta.
Here are Czechs during the Soviet days. Allegedly, these are my ancestors.

I am not surprised.

185 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:18:42pm

re: #171 NJDhockeyfan

Commies dance?

There is no fun in commie-land.
/Damn, I shouldn't have done that.

186 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:18:54pm

re: #180 brookly red

:)

To the left
To the left

To the left
To the left

Mmmm to the left
Everything you own in the box to the left
In the closet, thats my stuff
Yes, if I bought it, then please don't touch (don't touch)

Red Army Chorus with the Leningrad Cowboys:

[Link: www.google.com...]

187 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:19:15pm

re: #184 negativ

Sorta.
Here are Czechs during the Soviet days. Allegedly, these are my ancestors.

[Video]

I am not surprised.

LOL.
I've seen that before.
Makes me laugh every time.

188 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:19:20pm

re: #181 Max D. Reinhardt

You're not alone, I feel your pain. Let's just say I am relieved my side lost that one.

189 sagehen  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:19:31pm

re: #181 Max D. Reinhardt

I supported putting Sarah Palin in the VP slot in 2008 before anyone even knew who she was. I saw her as someone who would balance out the Republican ticket and energize our base.

Now, after seeing her disgraceful performance on the "Ground Zero Mosque" non-issue, her endorsement of extremist candidates like Joe Miller, and her flirtation with of the John Birch Society, I must say I feel like a dirty Machiavellian.

I was wrong, and if I had known in 2008 what I know now, I would have dropped her like a hot potato and cheered for McCain-Romney.

I was hoping he'd pick Bloomberg.

I liked Obama, but was nervous about his lack of experience. I waffled right up until we got to know the VP nominees.

190 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:19:43pm

Steppenwolf:

191 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:19:46pm

re: #184 negativ

Sorta.
Here are Czechs during the Soviet days. Allegedly, these are my ancestors.

[Video]

I am not surprised.

The guy in black has no neck whatsoever.
Fascinating.

192 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:20:46pm

re: #181 Max D. Reinhardt

I supported putting Sarah Palin in the VP slot in 2008 before anyone even knew who she was. I saw her as someone who would balance out the Republican ticket and energize our base.

Now, after seeing her disgraceful performance on the "Ground Zero Mosque" non-issue, her endorsement of extremist candidates like Joe Miller, and her flirtation with of the John Birch Society, I must say I feel like a dirty Machiavellian.

I was wrong, and if I had known in 2008 what I know now, I would have dropped her like a hot potato and cheered for McCain-Romney.

Ditto.

193 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:21:12pm

re: #184 negativ

Sorta.
Here are Czechs during the Soviet days. Allegedly, these are my ancestors.

[Video]I am not surprised.

That's a classic.

194 pharmmajor  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:21:16pm

re: #189 sagehen

I was hoping he'd pick Bloomberg.

I'm hoping Bloomberg runs in 2012. That, or my dream ticket of Penn & Teller.

195 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:21:32pm

re: #185 reine.de.tout

There is no fun in commie-land.
/Damn, I shouldn't have done that.

Communist playgrounds suck!

196 darthstar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:22:01pm

Hey everyone...please disregard my previous post...not good sportsmanship on my part. Glad the Giants won, but christ almighty, do we have to watch the games on fucking Fox? Those assholes were all "Hallyday this, Hallyday that, perfect game May 29, no-hitter in NLDS..." blah blah fucking blah...And when they did talk about the Giants, "Lincecum is a violent pitcher, compared to Hallyday...his technique is so smooth yet Lincecum is violent..." We're not talking aboout Ahmadinejad here, assholes...Lincecum is a red-blooded, dope-smoking American! Sheesh.

197 freetoken  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:22:06pm

re: #159 Obdicut

That's my observation also. Other than the local races (city council, etc.), it seems that higher offices only attract one (sometimes not even that) rational, thoughtful candidates and a whole bunch of fringy ne'er-do-wells.

198 Max  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:22:17pm

re: #188 Slumbering Behemoth

You're not alone, I feel your pain. Let's just say I am relieved my side lost that one.

That's what I get for trusting Bill Kristol.

199 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:22:33pm

re: #169 sagehen

[Video]

Ramones- Judy Is A Punk 1974

200 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:23:06pm

re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth

Communist playgrounds suck!

no... I had some good times on the upper west side ;)

201 pharmmajor  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:23:53pm

re: #188 Slumbering Behemoth

You're not alone, I feel your pain. Let's just say I am relieved my side lost that one.

I know where you guys are coming from. I regret backing Wayne Allyn Root given some of the more extreme stances he's recently taken.

202 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:24:00pm

re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth

Communist playgrounds suck!


CHINGLISH!

203 Max  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:24:15pm

re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth

Communist playgrounds suck!

Was that taken in Pyongyang or Chicago?

/kidding

204 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:24:38pm

re: #171 NJDhockeyfan

Commies dance?

I'm thinking it might look like this.

205 lostlakehiker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:25:29pm

re: #67 Obdicut

I blame Camille Paglia.

Paglia is a realist, a woman who values truth wherever it takes her. Paglia does not subscribe to Palin's politics. She just doesn't care for the equating of wrong-headed and politically perverse, with "stupid". Say what you will about Palin, and there are endless grounds for criticism, she's not

stupid.

On the other matter, that of Obama's campaign contributions in 2008, I believe this was treated on threads right here. I'm not a human encyclopedia, so much of what I know does not come with a URL.

You will find, if you look into it, that those charges are not controversial. They were accepted as "everybody does it" politics at the time, though in fact it is not true that everybody does it.

Nor is this infraction the gravest of matters. It simply grates when Obama brings up a lesser, fully legal, instance of "foreign taint" and wants it to be taken seriously.

206 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:26:07pm

re: #202 reine.de.tout

Actually, that one comes from Engrish. But I bet you knew that already.

207 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:27:08pm

re: #205 lostlakehiker

Paglia is a realist, a woman who values truth wherever it takes her. Paglia does not subscribe to Palin's politics. She just doesn't care for the equating of wrong-headed and politically perverse, with "stupid". Say what you will about Palin, and there are endless grounds for criticism, she's not

stupid.

On the other matter, that of Obama's campaign contributions in 2008, I believe this was treated on threads right here. I'm not a human encyclopedia, so much of what I know does not come with a URL.

You will find, if you look into it, that those charges are not controversial. They were accepted as "everybody does it" politics at the time, though in fact it is not true that everybody does it.

Nor is this infraction the gravest of matters. It simply grates when Obama brings up a lesser, fully legal, instance of "foreign taint" and wants it to be taken seriously.

Well, this is different because its someone else doing it. It's always much easier to blow the whistle when your blowing it at someone you don't like.

208 Four More Tears  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:27:13pm

Only in New York...

209 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:27:15pm

re: #200 brookly red

no... I had some good times on the upper west side ;)

Oh yes.

210 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:27:23pm

re: #206 Slumbering Behemoth

Actually, that one comes from Engrish. But I bet you knew that already.

HAH!
Yes, I did.
I have both sites bookmarked.

211 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:27:48pm

re: #101 Alouette

The 1970's were the worst decade for pop culture in the entire history of the earth.

Heresy!

212 jaunte  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:28:12pm

Commie breakdancing

213 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:28:26pm

Defte Lai


Namaste, Y'all
214 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:28:59pm

re: #205 lostlakehiker

Paglia is a contrarian who likes telling women everything is their own fault. She's not a realist. She doesn't value truth.

And yes, by a lot of good definitions of stupid, Palin is most definitely stupid. She's stupid and successful. Many have been. She didn't invent it. Much of what she says is stupid. If she's to be judged on what she actually says and communicates, then she is stupid.


I have no idea why you're suddenly bringing up Obama's campaign contributions.

215 sagehen  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:30:53pm

re: #199 NJDhockeyfan

Ramones- Judy Is A Punk 1974


[Video]

The Sweet, 1973

216 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:30:55pm

Free "All Right Now":

217 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:31:09pm

re: #211 goddamnedfrank

Heresy!


[Video]

You. Are. Evil. I shall not rest 'til I return you to the vile, fiery pit from whence you came.
/

218 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:33:09pm

Blue Oyster Cult - ETI

219 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:33:10pm

Goodnight.

My sleepytime music:

220 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:33:12pm

re: #212 jaunte

That's pretty groovy, comrade.

221 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:34:05pm

re: #217 Slumbering Behemoth

You. Are. Evil. I shall not rest 'til I return you to the vile, fiery pit from whence you came.
/

ahhh, there hasn't been a good vile fiery pit since Rudy was mayor...

222 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:34:09pm

Okay, if we're gonna do that 70's thing, I hafta link this bad-ass tune.

223 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:34:54pm

re: #215 sagehen

The Sweet, 1973


[Video]

Now that was a rockin tune.

224 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:35:12pm

re: #211 goddamnedfrank

Heresy!


[Video]

SMACK!

225 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:35:14pm

re: #217 Slumbering Behemoth

You. Are. Evil. I shall not rest 'til I return you to the vile, fiery pit from whence you came.
/

Okay, since you were such a sport about it I'll give you the antidote.

/Jonathan!

226 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:35:24pm

Chicago, "Make Me Smile":

227 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:35:52pm

re: #196 darthstar

Hey everyone...please disregard my previous post...not good sportsmanship on my part. Glad the Giants won, but christ almighty, do we have to watch the games on fucking Fox? Those assholes were all "Hallyday this, Hallyday that, perfect game May 29, no-hitter in NLDS..." blah blah fucking blah...And when they did talk about the Giants, "Lincecum is a violent pitcher, compared to Hallyday...his technique is so smooth yet Lincecum is violent..." We're not talking aboout Ahmadinejad here, assholes...Lincecum is a red-blooded, dope-smoking American! Sheesh.

Good game to watch. And I've been muting the TV watching sports today due to the general incompetence/annoyance value of the broadcast crews (Brent Musberger, this means you...)

Looks to be an exciting series since both teams have good pitching and it appears good enough hitting to threaten to score.

228 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:37:43pm

'Nite, all.

229 lostlakehiker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:37:56pm

re: #214 Obdicut

Paglia is a contrarian who likes telling women everything is their own fault. She's not a realist. She doesn't value truth.

And yes, by a lot of good definitions of stupid, Palin is most definitely stupid. She's stupid and successful. Many have been. She didn't invent it. Much of what she says is stupid. If she's to be judged on what she actually says and communicates, then she is stupid.

I have no idea why you're suddenly bringing up Obama's campaign contributions.

You it was who angrily demanded proof, the last time I brought them up, right? I was explaining that I don't keep URL's for every stray fact I retain.

230 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:39:00pm

re: #181 Max D. Reinhardt

I supported putting Sarah Palin in the VP slot in 2008 before anyone even knew who she was. I saw her as someone who would balance out the Republican ticket and energize our base.

Now, after seeing her disgraceful performance on the "Ground Zero Mosque" non-issue, her endorsement of extremist candidates like Joe Miller, and her flirtation with of the John Birch Society, I must say I feel like a dirty Machiavellian.

I was wrong, and if I had known in 2008 what I know now, I would have dropped her like a hot potato and cheered for McCain-Romney.

It's really hard for me to tell whether you're joking or not.

Leading up to 2008, I was really enthusiastic about John McCain. When he sloshed out Sara Palin as a running mate, I was utterly flabbergasted. My immediate, knee-jerk reaction was to assume that, for whatever reason, he'd decided that he didn't want to be President after all, and was intentionally throwing the election.

231 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:39:28pm

The 70's. When men were skinnier then women.

232 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:40:55pm

re: #215 sagehen

The Sweet, 1973


[Video]

Pat Travers Band: Boom Boom, Out Go The Lights

233 Max  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:41:42pm

re: #230 negativ

It's really hard for me to tell whether you're joking or not.

I'm not.

234 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:44:02pm

re: #230 negativ

In fairness, it wasn't until the Couric interview that many of us got a glimpse of the kind of person Palin was.

235 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:45:26pm

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

In fairness, it wasn't until the Couric interview that many of us got a glimpse of the kind of person Palin was.

I guess these things are true if you were on the Right.

That must make us liberals visionaries!

236 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:46:52pm

re: #230 negativ

It's really hard for me to tell whether you're joking or not.

Leading up to 2008, I was really enthusiastic about John McCain. When he sloshed out Sara Palin as a running mate, I was utterly flabbergasted. My immediate, knee-jerk reaction was to assume that, for whatever reason, he'd decided that he didn't want to be President after all, and was intentionally throwing the election.

I was like Max: I did not know Sarah Palin when she was nominated and at first I supported her. It was only after the gaffes and fails began that I started to realize she wasn't a good pick.

237 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:47:05pm

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

In fairness, it wasn't until the Couric interview that many of us got a glimpse of the kind of person Palin was.

I never saw so much excitement or disgust over a VP candidate as I did when Palin was announced. My thought was 'Who gives a shit? VP do nothing but give speeches anyway.' I was more concerned about what the presidential candidates were promising.

238 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:47:19pm

re: #235 marjoriemoon

I guess these things are true if you were on the Right.

That must make us liberals visionaries!

how do the midterms look in your crystal ball?

239 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:47:28pm

Track 3 from Elegant Gypsy - Mediterranean Sundance 1977

240 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:47:41pm

re: #205 lostlakehiker

I completely lost track of Camille Paglia when she decided to praise both breast implants and Rush Limbaugh. She might have 937 other Really Good Points, but I'll never know because I'm comfortably intolerant of her heinous bullshit.

241 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:48:36pm

re: #237 NJDhockeyfan

I never saw so much excitement or disgust over a VP candidate as I did when Palin was announced. My thought was 'Who gives a shit? VP do nothing but give speeches anyway.' I was more concerned about what the presidential candidates were promising.

really... I just get such a kick out of seeing the boggie man in a skirt :)

242 Max  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:48:59pm

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

In fairness, it wasn't until the Couric interview that many of us got a glimpse of the kind of person Palin was.

I held out a little longer, up until the Park51 outrageous outrage.

243 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:50:40pm

re: #235 marjoriemoon

That must make us liberals visionaries!

Nope. Just a bunch of bigoted, hyper-partisan America-haters who hate strong, independent, conservative women. You just got lucky and happened to be right this one time.

/I am teasing you, of course.

244 lostlakehiker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:50:44pm

re: #240 negativ

I completely lost track of Camille Paglia when she decided to praise both breast implants and Rush Limbaugh. She might have 937 other Really Good Points, but I'll never know because I'm comfortably intolerant of her heinous bullshit.

Paglia un-praised breast implants. She's lesbian and a connoisseur of breasts, and implants don't move right, don't look right. Not the essence of liquid nourishment or something like that; I forget her exact words.

245 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:50:53pm

re: #240 negativ

I completely lost track of Camille Paglia when she decided to praise both breast implants and Rush Limbaugh. She might have 937 other Really Good Points, but I'll never know because I'm comfortably intolerant of her heinous bullshit.

She's a bit enamored with the cleverness of herself.

246 Max  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:51:03pm

re: #238 brookly red

how do the midterms look in your crystal ball?

Krystal Ball for Congress

247 sagehen  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:52:19pm

re: #235 marjoriemoon

I guess these things are true if you were on the Right.

That must make us liberals visionaries!

It took about a day after her introduction for Kos' best googler to find a picture of Sarah at her desk in the Wasilla mayor's office, reading the John Birch Society newsletter.

She's been on their mailing list for a long, long time.

248 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:52:29pm

re: #238 brookly red

how do the midterms look in your crystal ball?

Well before I tell you, you should know I have an implanted lens in one eye. I call it my bionic eye which gives me my super powers. So understand that I do have an advantage over mere mortals.

I predict the Dems keep Congress. As to specific wins, if I told ya, I'd have to kill ya.

249 sagehen  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:53:47pm

re: #237 NJDhockeyfan

I never saw so much excitement or disgust over a VP candidate as I did when Palin was announced. My thought was 'Who gives a shit? VP do nothing but give speeches anyway.' I was more concerned about what the presidential candidates were promising.

that's my usual take on it, but it's a little more serious for a 72-year-old candidate who's had cancer four times.

250 Max  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:54:12pm

re: #246 Max D. Reinhardt

Krystal Ball for Congress

Krystal Ball is also in hot water for this picture (WARNING: they're not nude pictures but not safe for work NSFW).

251 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:54:48pm

re: #248 marjoriemoon

Well before I tell you, you should know I have an implanted lens in one eye. I call it my bionic eye which gives me my super powers. So understand that I do have an advantage over mere mortals.

I predict the Dems keep Congress. As to specific wins, if I told ya, I'd have to kill ya.

I think you need to bring that in to the shop for a tune up :)

252 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:55:46pm

re: #237 NJDhockeyfan

I never saw so much excitement or disgust over a VP candidate as I did when Palin was announced. My thought was 'Who gives a shit? VP do nothing but give speeches anyway.' I was more concerned about what the presidential candidates were promising.

Really? You were completely indifferent to the ideas of a VP candidate attached to an elderly man who had been battling cancer for decades?

253 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:55:48pm

Evening Honcos. FBV, hearts and prayers....

254 pharmmajor  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:56:05pm

re: #248 marjoriemoon

Well before I tell you, you should know I have an implanted lens in one eye. I call it my bionic eye which gives me my super powers. So understand that I do have an advantage over mere mortals.

I predict the Dems keep Congress. As to specific wins, if I told ya, I'd have to kill ya.

Tell me oh wise sage, do you forsee any victories for the Libertarians?

255 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:57:14pm

re: #237 NJDhockeyfan

An awful lot of people on da blogs were proudly and loudly stating (and probably still do, I suppose) "I'm voting for Palin". I was one of the few evil RINOs who said "I'm voting for McCain".

I was also one of the few, evil RINOs who made fun of all the wingnuts that thought Heart was so friggin awesome until they asked McCain/Palin not to use their song, and did a 180 with the "OMG! HEART SUCKS ANYWAY!"

256 sagehen  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:58:09pm

re: #254 pharmmajor

Tell me oh wise sage, do you forsee any victories for the Libertarians?

Their election-night party will have the best hors d'oevres.

257 pharmmajor  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:59:03pm

re: #256 sagehen

Their election-night party will have the best hors d'oevres.

Well that's a given.

258 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:59:13pm

re: #252 negativ

Really? You were completely indifferent to the ideas of a VP candidate attached to an elderly man who had been battling cancer for decades?

I was more interested in what the two guy running for president had to say. What do VP ever do anyway? Nothing. I have never cared what the VPs had to say.

259 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:59:17pm

re: #251 brookly red

I think you need to bring that in to the shop for a tune up :)

lol Actually for real. I have to get the other eye done soon. Then there will be no stopping me!

What's got me super freaked out is the Florida governor's race. Rick Scott would be such an incredible disaster and he has a lot of support. Alex Sink's commercials have been really great and she has a good reputation. I'm more upset about Rick Scott in fact, than Marco Rubio for Senate.

260 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:59:59pm

re: #254 pharmmajor

Tell me oh wise sage, do you forsee any victories for the Libertarians?

Ahh sadly for them, no. Happily for us, no.

261 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:00:48pm

re: #259 marjoriemoon

lol Actually for real. I have to get the other eye done soon. Then there will be no stopping me!

What's got me super freaked out is the Florida governor's race. Rick Scott would be such an incredible disaster and he has a lot of support. Alex Sink's commercials have been really great and she has a good reputation. I'm more upset about Rick Scott in fact, than Marco Rubio for Senate.

Rubio will be your next Senator.

262 Max  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:01:06pm

re: #255 Slumbering Behemoth

I was also one of the few, evil RINOs who made fun of all the wingnuts that thought Heart was so friggin awesome until they asked McCain/Palin not to use their song, and did a 180 with the "OMG! HEART SUCKS ANYWAY!"

Barracuda following McCain's victory music was probably one of the most inspirational moments of my political life. Watching the last ten minutes of the 08 convention always gets me motivated.

263 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:01:10pm

re: #254 pharmmajor

Tell me oh wise sage, do you forsee any victories for the Libertarians?

She's got a bionic eye, not a gawt-damned, genie in a bottle wish-giver.
/

264 jaunte  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:01:46pm

re: #239 ozbloke
Al Di Meola - Egyptian Danza (Live)

265 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:02:01pm

re: #261 Cannadian Club Akbar

Rubio will be your next Senator.

It ain't over till it's over.

266 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:02:42pm

re: #265 marjoriemoon

It ain't over till it's over.

It's over.

267 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:02:55pm

For those of you still doubting the awesomeness of the 1970's, I give you Tom Waits on Fernwood 2 Night:

268 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:03:23pm

re: #259 marjoriemoon

lol Actually for real. I have to get the other eye done soon. Then there will be no stopping me!

What's got me super freaked out is the Florida governor's race. Rick Scott would be such an incredible disaster and he has a lot of support. Alex Sink's commercials have been really great and she has a good reputation. I'm more upset about Rick Scott in fact, than Marco Rubio for Senate.

good luck on the eye... I have just gotten so overwhelmed with out of state races I can't remember who is who...

269 costly1960  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:04:43pm

re: #248 marjoriemoon

Based on what?

270 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:05:01pm

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

I was more interested in what the two guy running for president had to say. What do VP ever do anyway?

President of the Senate is the only thing that leaps to mind for me right now.

271 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:05:02pm

re: #268 brookly red

good luck on the eye... I have just gotten so overwhelmed with out of state races I can't remember who is who...

Everyone is following youse guys.

I'm also concerned with states where my relatives live. And because we always talk about it. California and Arizona.

272 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:05:16pm

re: #267 goddamnedfrank

"Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman!"

273 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:05:32pm

re: #269 costly1960

Based on what?

Based on God and Country! Dagnabit!

274 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:06:18pm

re: #268 brookly red

good luck on the eye... I have just gotten so overwhelmed with out of state races I can't remember who is who...

Here is Florida

Rick Scott will be gubner
Marco Rubio Senate
Pam Bondi AG
Adam Putnam Sec of AG

275 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:07:02pm

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

What do VP ever do anyway? Nothing. I have never cared what the VPs had to say.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I am fully aware that most Americans are preternaturally ignorant of our history, but.. gawd damn.

276 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:07:15pm

re: #269 costly1960

Based on what?

Her bionic eye. Geez!

277 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:07:20pm

re: #267 goddamnedfrank

For those of you still doubting the awesomeness of the 1970's, I give you Tom Waits on Fernwood 2 Night:


[Video]

A great 70s guitar legend...

ROBIN TROWER - Bridge Of Sighs (1974 UK TV Appearance)

278 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:07:28pm

re: #267 goddamnedfrank

OMG the best stuff. I have Soap on my wishlist at Amazon.

279 brookly red  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:08:36pm

midnight in gotham... time to play. see yah

280 freetoken  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:09:25pm

I don't remember paying much attention to Palin before the election... so I just searched my comments from a couple of months right before that election.

Right after the election I did write this, though, which got me one down-ding:

re: #1351 smokefire

...a dark, pervasive, gloom has fallen over the landscape. I pray for this country, because we may started our fall into the abyss.

Oh... foo... no it hasn't... and I doubt we will.

Folks... stop being so melodramatic. Obama is unlikely to be all that your fears are lead you to believe, and likewise he is unlikely to be all that his supporters fantasize that he will be.

Not that it was a bad karma day for me... I got nine up-dings for this comment:

Personally speaking, I wouldn't mind if Sarah met me at the door while she was in a bath towel. I don't see why the staffers are complaining...

Wonder if all that means anything....

281 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:10:00pm

re: #270 Slumbering Behemoth

President of the Senate is the only thing that leaps to mind for me right now.

That and some speeches. That's about it.

282 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:10:11pm

re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don't even say it.

283 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:10:19pm

Second City TV:[Link: www.imdb.com...]

284 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:11:23pm

re: #267 goddamnedfrank

For those of you still doubting the awesomeness of the 1970's, I give you Tom Waits on Fernwood 2 Night:


[Video]

Probably me favorite from Mr Waits, though he is lookin a bit bedraggled.

285 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:11:28pm

re: #282 marjoriemoon

Don't even say it.

Sorry. Those are facts. And please vote for Adam Putnam.

286 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:12:40pm

re: #255 Slumbering Behemoth

An awful lot of people on da blogs were proudly and loudly stating (and probably still do, I suppose) "I'm voting for Palin". I was one of the few evil RINOs who said "I'm voting for McCain".

I was also one of the few, evil RINOs who made fun of all the wingnuts that thought Heart was so friggin awesome until they asked McCain/Palin not to use their song, and did a 180 with the "OMG! HEART SUCKS ANYWAY!"

That just proves you're an honest man.

287 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:14:23pm

re: #281 NJDhockeyfan

I'm just sayin' that the VP does have job responsibilities. We could argue how many or how relevant they are, but not while I'm drinking.

288 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:15:23pm

Out for a bit.

289 webevintage  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:15:59pm

re: #16 NJDhockeyfan

Who is leading the feminist movement today? (I don't keep up on these things)

I am.

290 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:17:18pm

re: #287 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm just sayin' that the VP does have job responsibilities. We could argue how many or how relevant they are, but not while I'm drinking.

I know they have responsibilities but they do so little I find their remarks not important enough to affect my decision on election day. The presidential candidates are the ones who will be running the country, not the VP.

291 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:17:37pm

re: #280 freetoken

I don't remember paying much attention to Palin before the election... so I just searched my comments from a couple of months right before that election.

Right after the election I did write this, though, which got me one down-ding:

Oh... foo... no it hasn't... and I doubt we will.

Folks... stop being so melodramatic. Obama is unlikely to be all that your fears are lead you to believe, and likewise he is unlikely to be all that his supporters fantasize that he will be.

Not that it was a bad karma day for me... I got nine up-dings for this comment:

Wonder if all that means anything...

If any of you were to doubt my greatness... And that was before the bionic eye!

292 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:17:43pm

re: #255 Slumbering Behemoth

An awful lot of people on da blogs were proudly and loudly stating (and probably still do, I suppose) "I'm voting for Palin". I was one of the few evil RINOs who said "I'm voting for McCain".

I was also one of the few, evil RINOs who made fun of all the wingnuts that thought Heart was so friggin awesome until they asked McCain/Palin not to use their song, and did a 180 with the "OMG! HEART SUCKS ANYWAY!"

That just proves you're an honest man.

293 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:17:47pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

That just proves you're an honest man.

That, or I'm not such a hyper-partisan douche as to let politics dictate my taste in music to such a degree that I flip-flop on what I listen too based on the political flavor of the day.

Plus, Heart was friggin' awesome.

294 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:18:13pm

re: #292 Dark_Falcon

Sorry about the double post.

295 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:19:46pm

re: #290 NJDhockeyfan

I said not while I'm drinking. Cheers.

296 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:20:50pm

re: #291 marjoriemoon

If any of you were to doubt my greatness... And that was before the bionic eye!

Woot! Where can I place a 10er?

297 jaunte  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:22:00pm

A tango from 1974: Yo Yo Ma plays Piazzolla

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

298 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:22:18pm

re: #264 jaunte

That's great.
Thanks!

299 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:22:39pm

re: #283 prairiefire

Second City TV:[Link: www.imdb.com...]

Speaking of Helen Reddy, SCTV did a skit with John Candy way back when. He and another guy were farmers and they blew up bad singers. Some guy would come out dressed as some awful singer, sing a few lines and BOOM, he'd blow up. John Candy would say, "He blew up good." And the other guy would say, "He blew up real good."

I remember they blew up Neal Sedaka once and Helen Reddy another time. I think her head went flying (it was a doll). My mother and I about peed our pants.

300 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:23:04pm

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sorry. Those are facts. And please vote for Adam Putnam.

If you vote for Alex Sink.

301 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:23:37pm

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

You're fired.

302 freetoken  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:25:39pm

re: #291 marjoriemoon

Nicely written reply that was, btw. Too bad I hadn't read it at the time - earlier during the summer I had posted quite a bit at LGF in dealing with the creationists, but come August and Sept 08 I wasn't here so much.

303 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:27:44pm

When you see it...

304 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:27:56pm

Here's one for FBV...

Little Feat - Fat Man in the Bathtub

305 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:28:57pm

re: #301 Slumbering Behemoth

You're fired.

I don't work for you. The job I actually work at promoted me this month, though. The pay increase won't actually hit my wallet till December, though. But this month is already better than last month, sales wise, and I plan to make it my best month yet.

306 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:29:05pm

re: #302 freetoken

Nicely written reply that was, btw. Too bad I hadn't read it at the time - earlier during the summer I had posted quite a bit at LGF in dealing with the creationists, but come August and Sept 08 I wasn't here so much.

Funny when folks talk about not being able to have diverse opinions around here. Mine was certainly not welcomed, but hey, look who's still here and who isn't? Of course, I kinda got outa Dodge after that post, but I came back.

And btw, I hope I don't have to eat any crow because I've done that before and it's really not very tasty.

307 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:29:49pm

re: #304 NJDhockeyfan

Here's one for FBV...

Little Feat - Fat Man in the Bathtub


[Video]

Speaking of which, anyone hear from Steve lately?

308 lostlakehiker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:31:19pm

re: #291 marjoriemoon

If any of you were to doubt my greatness... And that was before the bionic eye!

How in the world did you manage to earn -8 dings for THAT? Dings should be reserved for truly stupid posts, or morally reprehensible, or something.

Correct but unwelcome prognostication ought to be off limits for downdings.

309 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:32:01pm

re: #305 Dark_Falcon

Best of luck, bro. Hope you succeed in your goal.

re: #307 marjoriemoon

Speaking of which, anyone hear from Steve lately?

He was on here a few days ago or so. Poor dude is gonna have to get another surgery.

310 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:33:01pm

re: #308 lostlakehiker

How in the world did you manage to earn -8 dings for THAT? Dings should be reserved for truly stupid posts, or morally reprehensible, or something.

Correct but unwelcome prognostication ought to be off limits for downdings.

Yea, well that was the Party of the Damned. Go figger.

311 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:33:12pm

re: #308 lostlakehiker

How in the world did you manage to earn -8 dings for THAT? Dings should be reserved for truly stupid posts, or morally reprehensible, or something.

Correct but unwelcome prognostication ought to be off limits for downdings.

I'm just relieved to see I was not one of the down-dingers.

312 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:33:29pm

re: #309 Slumbering Behemoth

Best of luck, bro. Hope you succeed in your goal.

re: #307 marjoriemoon

He was on here a few days ago or so. Poor dude is gonna have to get another surgery.

Oh dear. I'm sorry to hear that. It's not clearing up then. Poor guy.

313 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:34:08pm

re: #306 marjoriemoon

Funny when folks talk about not being able to have diverse opinions around here. Mine was certainly not welcomed, but hey, look who's still here and who isn't?

I thought the very same thing when I looked at who downdinged your post - aren't they all stalkers now?

314 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:35:20pm

re: #309 Slumbering Behemoth

f#@*!

315 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:35:45pm

re: #305 Dark_Falcon

I don't work for you. The job I actually work at promoted me this month, though. The pay increase won't actually hit my wallet till December, though. But this month is already better than last month, sales wise, and I plan to make it my best month yet.

CONGRATULATIONS!
Yes, I meant it to be in all caps.
THAT'S GREAT NEWS!
Keep up the good work!
*smooch*

316 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:36:24pm

re: #305 Dark_Falcon

I don't work for you.

BTW, "You're not the boss of me!" is the approved interwebs response. You'd do well to keep that in mind for the future.
The More You Know.
/

317 palomino  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:39:50pm

re: #289 webevintage

Isn't the feminist movement too big and diverse now to have a single leader? There are real feminists across the political spectrum, in spite of a Sarah Palin.

Much of what energized the early feminists has been thoroughly remedied. In the 50's, women were trying to find a way into college, professional school, the workforce in general.

Affirmative action was once a feminist goal; now, no one really even talks about it for women. If it's still needed, it would have to go in the opposite direction.

Now almost 60% of college students are female. And law, business, medical and other professional schools have student bodies that are majority female. Game, set, match--an impressive, inspiring accomplishment.

318 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:40:34pm

re: #316 Slumbering Behemoth

BTW, "You're not the boss of me!" is the approved interwebs response. You'd do well to keep that in mind for the future.
The More You Know.
/


I Am Aware of All Internet Traditions

319 sagehen  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:40:44pm

re: #308 lostlakehiker

How in the world did you manage to earn -8 dings for THAT? Dings should be reserved for truly stupid posts, or morally reprehensible, or something.

Correct but unwelcome prognostication ought to be off limits for downdings.

If you pull up the details, all 8 of those dings were from people who aren't here anymore.

320 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:40:52pm

re: #313 publicityStunted

I thought the very same thing when I looked at who downdinged your post - aren't they all stalkers now?

I don't know if I've seen their names around. Honestly, I vaguely remember those particular people.

321 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:42:02pm

re: #317 palomino

Very good points. I think there should still be pressure on employers to pay men and women 100% equally. Not .80 cents to the $1.

322 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:43:59pm

re: #318 bratwurst

I'm not.

323 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:44:13pm

More 70s music greatness...

Jeff Beck - Freeway Jam

324 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:48:14pm

re: #321 prairiefire

Very good points. I think there should still be pressure on employers to pay men and women 100% equally. Not .80 cents to the $1.

It's more complicated than that. Women tend to take less risky jobs with better job security, and those don't pay as well. They also often lose seniority while on maternity leave.

325 palomino  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:48:15pm

re: #321 prairiefire

Very good points. I think there should still be pressure on employers to pay men and women 100% equally. Not .80 cents to the $1.

True, still better than the 59 cents to a dollar it was back in the 80s. But I'm wrong to imply there's no more discrimination.

And the gains haven't necessarily been proportional. I think most of the advances are among middle to upper class college educated women. A lot of working class women always had to work, and probably haven't had the same leap forward because college isn't part of the equation.

326 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:51:48pm

re: #325 palomino

The income disparity has grown. A lower income level woman doesn't have the benefit of being able to afford good child care.
If she has a sick child, she could lose her job due to absence.

327 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:52:33pm

re: #325 palomino

True, still better than the 59 cents to a dollar it was back in the 80s. But I'm wrong to imply there's no more discrimination.

And the gains haven't necessarily been proportional. I think most of the advances are among middle to upper class college educated women. A lot of working class women always had to work, and probably haven't had the same leap forward because college isn't part of the equation.

It's very much still a man's world in the business world. The men tend to get promoted over the women. I'm talking the difference between associateship and partnership. Yea, they get in, but they don't go up the ladder as quickly.

I mentioned that upthread. It's a new kind of feminism, or maybe just an extension of the old.

328 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:54:08pm

re: #316 Slumbering Behemoth

BTW, "You're not the boss of me!" is the approved interwebs response. You'd do well to keep that in mind for the future.
The More You Know.
/

I tend to leave that line to They Might Be Giants:

329 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:55:40pm

re: #327 marjoriemoon

330 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:57:38pm

I would like to see universal work related child care in AMerica before I shuffle off this mortal coil.

331 Jadespring  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:58:59pm

re: #330 prairiefire

I would like to see universal work related child care in AMerica before I shuffle off this mortal coil.

I'd like to see it up here too.

332 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 9:59:12pm

re: #329 Slumbering Behemoth

Wow. Where'd you find that little treasure? Grace in there too! Was that in Italy?

333 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:00:02pm

re: #330 prairiefire

I would like to see universal work related child care in AMerica before I shuffle off this mortal coil.

I wouldn't. That shouldn't be a government service. You want it, pay for it.

334 lostlakehiker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:00:49pm

re: #321 prairiefire

Very good points. I think there should still be pressure on employers to pay men and women 100% equally. Not .80 cents to the $1.

This is not what happens. Men and women doing the same work are paid equally. What does happen is that men take jobs that are more dangerous and less accommodating.

Is it discrimination that all world chess champions in recorded history have been men? There have been women international grandmasters of great playing strength, but the needed kind of monomaniacal concentration on winning, to the exclusion of every other consideration, is rare in both sexes but rarer among women. [The situation in contract bridge is less extreme but still heavily weighted toward men. The same goes for Nobel Prizes in the sciences, and for Fields medals. In one of these settings is discrimination the reason for the disparities.]

Discrimination isn't the only factor in what is a relatively small differential. Women fare better at the bottom of the ladder than men, and less well at the top, and most of the reason for both things is that men are more disposed to risk taking. On average, of course.

335 lostlakehiker  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:02:17pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn't. That shouldn't be a government service. You want it, pay for it.

Every good thing in life that matters should be provided by the government. I, for my part, would like to see universal government issued spouses. Why should this, the most essential need after food, clothing, and shelter, go unaddressed?

336 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:02:27pm

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Working on this.

337 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:02:52pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

I want it. The employer and the government will pay for it.

338 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:02:55pm

re: #336 Gus 802

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Working on this.

Image: harpy-siren.gif

339 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:03:09pm

re: #330 prairiefire

I am sooo sick of having to pick up the slack of you self inflicted ankle-biter stewards. "I have to leave work early, my kid is sick. It's my kid's birthday. My kid fell out of tree and broke his/her arm. Wah wah wah!" Toughen up for craps sake, and quit shifting the workload on us contentious non-breeders. Damn!
/

340 jaunte  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:03:32pm

re: #338 Gus 802

Scary!

341 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:04:25pm

re: #329 Slumbering Behemoth

[Video]

George Harrisson, Eric Clapton, Ringo Starr, Phil Collins and Elton John

342 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:04:31pm

re: #340 jaunte

Scary!

Halloween mask!

343 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:04:36pm

re: #336 Gus 802

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Working on this.

Yikes!

344 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:05:21pm

re: #339 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm thinking of stability of the working forces.

Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush: "Another Day"

345 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:05:37pm

re: #343 Floral Giraffe

Yikes!

Years of therapy gone in seconds!

/

346 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:06:09pm

re: #332 marjoriemoon

Wow. Where'd you find that little treasure?

I just employed my superior YouTube-Fu. I have no idea where that was filmed BTW.
/My YouTube-Fu is fearsome. My Google-Fu, not so much.

347 jaunte  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:06:33pm
348 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:06:36pm

re: #337 prairiefire

I want it. The employer and the government will pay for it.

And I hate the idea of the government paying for it. The government is too big already. The day i support a government expansion like that is.. well it will never happen.

349 Jadespring  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:06:45pm

re: #334 lostlakehiker

This is not what happens. Men and women doing the same work are paid equally. What does happen is that men take jobs that are more dangerous and less accommodating.

Unfortunately that's just not true in all cases. The general 80 cents to the dollar disparity is not between different types of jobs but the same jobs. It's better then it was but still not equitable, especially in fields like business, science research, education and skilled trades.
Ran into this myself only about 7 years ago. Same job, same title lower pay. I made a stink and corrected when it was discovered.

Will this change in the future? Mostly likely considering that woman are becoming the majority in higher education now.

350 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:08:07pm

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

The government is us. We are going to buy the things we need for our society.
Night, lizards.

351 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:08:16pm

re: #342 Gus 802

Halloween mask!

Link didn't work for me.

352 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:08:17pm

re: #334 lostlakehiker

This is not what happens. Men and women doing the same work are paid equally. What does happen is that men take jobs that are more dangerous and less accommodating.

Is it discrimination that all world chess champions in recorded history have been men? There have been women international grandmasters of great playing strength, but the needed kind of monomaniacal concentration on winning, to the exclusion of every other consideration, is rare in both sexes but rarer among women. [The situation in contract bridge is less extreme but still heavily weighted toward men. The same goes for Nobel Prizes in the sciences, and for Fields medals. In one of these settings is discrimination the reason for the disparities.]

Discrimination isn't the only factor in what is a relatively small differential. Women fare better at the bottom of the ladder than men, and less well at the top, and most of the reason for both things is that men are more disposed to risk taking. On average, of course.

Yea, you know everything.

353 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:08:56pm

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

Link didn't work for me.

338 should work. Don't know what I did with the first one.

354 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:08:57pm

re: #338 Gus 802

Image: harpy-siren.gif

LOL

355 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:09:26pm

re: #344 prairiefire

I'm thinking of stability of the working forces.

And I'm just being a silly, sarcastic ass. I'm nursing a hangover and having more than a bit of the hair 'o the dog what bit me. Don't expect much from me right now.

356 palomino  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:09:32pm

re: #327 marjoriemoon

It's very much still a man's world in the business world. The men tend to get promoted over the women. I'm talking the difference between associateship and partnership. Yea, they get in, but they don't go up the ladder as quickly.

I mentioned that upthread. It's a new kind of feminism, or maybe just an extension of the old.

Eventually women will succeed in erasing the "it's a man's world" mentality. And they will achieve parity in business and government. But it's a generational change, so the full realization is still decades off.

I expect to see a woman president in my lifetime (just not the Alaska-tard).

357 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:09:47pm

re: #350 prairiefire

The government is us. We are going to buy the things we need for our society.
Night, lizards.

Buy them yourself. Don't try to use my money to funnel benefits to others like that. That sort of "universal access" is socialism, and I will oppose it to my last breath.

358 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:09:56pm

re: #350 prairiefire

The government is us. We are going to buy the things we need for our society.
Night, lizards.

Night Prariefire!

359 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:10:18pm

re: #354 marjoriemoon

LOL

It's the Shrieking Harpy Siren™

"Warning! Warning! Islamic stuff detected!"

//

360 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:10:36pm

Run for dem hills!

361 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:11:25pm

re: #353 Gus 802

338 should work. Don't know what I did with the first one.

Now I see it. Good clean fun. Send it to Charles. He can use it the the next time she shrieks.

362 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:12:11pm

re: #361 Dark_Falcon

Now I see it. Good clean fun. Send it to Charles. He can use it the the next time she shrieks.

I'm sure he'll see it.

363 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:12:18pm

re: #356 palomino

Eventually women will succeed in erasing the "it's a man's world" mentality. And they will achieve parity in business and government. But it's a generational change, so the full realization is still decades off.

I expect to see a woman president in my lifetime (just not the Alaska-tard).

It's not a mentality. It's a reality.

In the field I work, women get passed up all the time. Far too often to know that it's a boy's club at heart.

364 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:13:15pm

re: #359 Gus 802

"Warning! Warning! Islamic stuff detected!"

I don't care who you are, that's just fuckin' funny.

"Islamic stuff detected!" Lol.

365 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:13:16pm

re: #362 Gus 802

I'm sure he'll see it.

I recommended you!

366 Jadespring  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:13:17pm

re: #363 marjoriemoon

It's not a mentality. It's a reality.

In the field I work, women get passed up all the time. Far too often to know that it's a boy's club at heart.

What field is that?

367 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:15:01pm

re: #366 Jadespring

What field is that?

Test subject for enlarged prostate cures?

368 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:15:01pm

re: #366 Jadespring

What field is that?

Law. Very few top tier partners are women.

369 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:15:44pm

re: #365 marjoriemoon

I recommended you!

Thanks. I should do more of those. I've got the software but it's something I never really looked into much.

370 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:16:31pm

re: #369 Gus 802

Thanks. I should do more of those. I've got the software but it's something I never really looked into much.

No, I meant the dingy thingy on the post.

371 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:17:39pm

re: #370 marjoriemoon

No, I meant the dingy thingy on the post.

Ah, OK. That already went up as a featured page. We now have 3 pages on halal alone. Which were all posted at around the same time.

372 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:19:24pm

I think I'm going to turn in. Later friends...

Muddy Waters - Champagne & Reefer

373 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:19:59pm

re: #370 marjoriemoon

No, I meant the dingy thingy on the post.

OK, stuck the Harpy siren at the bottom of the post.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

374 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:19:59pm

re: #371 Gus 802

Ah, OK. That already went up as a featured page. We now have 3 pages on halal alone. Which were all posted at around the same time.

I try to check for dupes before I post, but it doesn't always seem to work, the search feature on the Pages. I look for tags that I know are there, but maybe I'm not doing something right.

375 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:21:23pm

re: #373 Gus 802

As long as you don't use that bikini pic Charles used a few days back. Couldn't sleep that night.

376 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:21:31pm

re: #374 marjoriemoon

I try to check for dupes before I post, but it doesn't always seem to work, the search feature on the Pages. I look for tags that I know are there, but maybe I'm not doing something right.

I never really check. Sometimes I do but I figure if use an obscure source it won't be a duplicate.

377 freetoken  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:21:32pm

re: #371 Gus 802

We now have 3 pages on halal alone. Which were all posted at around the same time.

The more the merrier!

378 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:22:24pm

re: #373 Gus 802

OK, stuck the Harpy siren at the bottom of the post.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Wow, that's a great post Gus!

379 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:23:38pm

Gonna get to bed. Goodnight, all.

380 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:23:55pm

re: #378 marjoriemoon

Wow, that's a great post Gus!

You like it? I improvised from my usual "Drudge" links. Whenever he posts to something stupid I'll put the siren up. I remembered that I found out about the halal MREs a couple of weeks ago? Might have been because of the halal Campbell soups flap.

381 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:26:03pm

re: #380 Gus 802

You like it? I improvised from my usual "Drudge" links. Whenever he posts to something stupid I'll put the siren up. I remembered that I found out about the halal MREs a couple of weeks ago? Might have been because of the halal Campbell soups flap.

Yea, she went off on this before. They also serve kosher and halal to prisoners. You think she'd get all bent outa shape about that.

382 Jadespring  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:26:36pm

I wish I didn't look at that siren. I need to go to sleep. I don't want it to affect my psyche.

383 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:27:46pm

I gotta go too. Starting to fade. Catch ya later lizards!

384 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:27:51pm

re: #381 marjoriemoon

Yea, she went off on this before. They also serve kosher and halal to prisoners. You think she'd get all bent outa shape about that.

Then she wonders why people think she's such a freak. Seems like she's getting worse by the minute.

385 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:30:49pm

re: #375 Slumbering Behemoth

As long as you don't use that bikini pic Charles used a few days back. Couldn't sleep that night.

There's always the RS McCain in Speedos photo.

[hurl]

386 Jadespring  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:30:51pm

Oh funny story. I had a long talk with Dad today and somehow we got onto the topic of US politics. He doesn't follow it at all or at least not in any detail beyond what appears on Canadian newscasts. So I told him about some of the views of the candidates running, like O'Donnell and Angle et al. I was blabbering on about this and that and suddenly he stops me with "Wait what?! You're being serious? This is real? " When I said yes it is he was flabbergasted as he thought I was just making it all up to be funny.

387 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:33:14pm

re: #380 Gus 802

Next thing you know, wacko religious fringe groups will demand we expand the federal gov't and waste tax payer's money on testing beef for E. coli.

This socialist islamization of our precious food supply won't end unless we fight back. Wake up America!

388 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:33:18pm

re: #386 Jadespring

Oh funny story. I had a long talk with Dad today and somehow we got onto the topic of US politics. He doesn't follow it at all or at least not in any detail beyond what appears on Canadian newscasts. So I told him about some of the views of the candidates running, like O'Donnell and Angle et al. I was blabbering on about this and that and suddenly he stops me with "Wait what?! You're being serious? This is real? " When I said yes it is he was flabbergasted as he thought I was just making it all up to be funny.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

Now we have to ask ourselves. Is this the future of American politics? How low can it go?

389 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:35:50pm

re: #387 Slumbering Behemoth

Next thing you know, wacko religious fringe groups will demand we expand the federal gov't and waste tax payer's money on testing beef for E. coli.

This socialist islamization of our precious food supply won't end unless we fight back. Wake up America!

And what do those evil Communistic scientists put in our beef when they're testing for E. Coli? Could it be mind altering drugs that make us complacent for the eventual Communistic takeover of these here United States?!?!11ty

//

390 Jadespring  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:39:04pm

re: #388 Gus 802

Truth is stranger than fiction.

Now we have to ask ourselves. Is this the future of American politics? How low can it go?

I'll have to talk to him again tomorrow. He asked if any of these people have been elected or will be elected. He had problems believing it. So I told him next time he was on the net to google "Michelle Bachman" and have fun. Also told him if he wants to get an general idea of some of what I was talking about look up Fox Nation and read the forum.

I'm mean.

391 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:39:32pm

Ultra-secret
Shadow
Drug
Agency

392 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:41:59pm

re: #390 Jadespring

I'll have to talk to him again tomorrow. He asked if any of these people have been elected or will be elected. He had problems believing it. So I told him next time he was on the net to google "Michelle Bachman" and have fun. Also told him if he wants to get an general idea of some of what I was talking about look up Fox Nation and read the forum.

I'm mean.

Don't even have to go as far as the forums at Fox Nation. They're crazy on the outside. They're even starting to link to a lot of the wingnut blogs. As news.

393 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:42:07pm

re: #389 Gus 802

Whoa, whoa, whoa dude. Hold up a sec. Those scienticians are atheists, not communists. I know some folks confuse the two. Hell, there really is little difference, to be honest. But it's important to make those distinctions when they really matter.

Scientists = Atheists. Everyone Else = Communists.

394 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:45:37pm

re: #393 Slumbering Behemoth

Whoa, whoa, whoa dude. Hold up a sec. Those scienticians are atheists, not communists. I know some folks confuse the two. Hell, there really is little difference, to be honest. But it's important to make those distinctions when they really matter.

Scientists = Atheists. Everyone Else = Communists.

Those damn scienticians forcing science down our kids throats in our schools! Next thing you know your kid turns into one of those angry atheistics!

395 Jadespring  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:46:00pm

re: #392 Gus 802

Don't even have to go as far as the forums at Fox Nation. They're crazy on the outside. They're even starting to link to a lot of the wingnut blogs. As news.

My Dad won't know what are wingnut blogs or what isn't considered reputable or not. He'd figure it out after a while because he's a smart cookie. I just figured the forum was the best place to get a general taste without much work on his part.

396 sagehen  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:47:22pm

re: #334 lostlakehiker

This is not what happens. Men and women doing the same work are paid equally. What does happen is that men take jobs that are more dangerous and less accommodating.

The whole reason we needed a Lily Ledbetter Law was because that's just not true. Lily was being paid less for doing the exact same job, at the exact same company, and had been for decades. Guys she trained, and still supervised, were being paid more than her.

The company didn't even try to argue they were being fair, she lost her case because the statute of limitations said she only had a year from when the unfair pay differential started to bring suit. As if people who've been on the job less than a year are going to know what their coworkers are earning, and the company won't be able to argue "oh, those are trainee wages, we would have given her a raise later."

397 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:47:51pm

re: #395 Jadespring

My Dad won't know what are wingnut blogs or what isn't considered reputable or not. He'd figure it out after a while because he's a smart cookie. I just figured the forum was the best place to get a general taste without much work on his part.

Yeah. Fox Nation is your one-stop shop for all your crazy needs.

398 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:49:15pm

re: #394 Gus 802

Next thing you know your kid turns into one of those angry atheistics!

What's with the redundant statement? Every one with half a brain knows that all atheists are angry, spending all their time hating God, and America, and charity, and stuff.

If those poor, evil atheists would just get half a brain themselves, they'd be so much happier.

399 sagehen  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:50:09pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn't. That shouldn't be a government service. You want it, pay for it.

And yet, during WWII there *was* universal government-provided child care for working mothers, in the interest of avoiding the productivity losses of having to look for a sitter, having to rush home for the sitter, having to replace the sitter, etc.

400 Jadespring  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:50:28pm

re: #397 Gus 802

Yeah. Fox Nation is your one-stop shop for all your crazy needs.

If he's still interested after that I'll introduce him the Geller World though I have the feeling he's going to discover that on his own once he starts surfing around the muck.

401 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:51:14pm

re: #398 Slumbering Behemoth

What's with the redundant statement? Every one with half a brain knows that all atheists are angry, spending all their time hating God, and America, and charity, and stuff.

If those poor, evil atheists would just get half a brain themselves, they'd be so much happier.

That's true. Atheists: angry people that don't believe in God, America, small children, hate dogs but like cats, and hate foxholes!

/

402 Jadespring  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:52:02pm

re: #401 Gus 802

That's true. Atheists: angry people that don't believe in God, America, small children, hate dogs but like cats, and hate foxholes!

/

You forgot morally depraved....

403 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:52:18pm

re: #400 Jadespring

If he's still interested after that I'll introduce him the Geller World though I have the feeling he's going to discover that on his own once he starts surfing around the muck.

Careful though! What if it turns into something from Family Guy and he starts to like it!

/

404 Jadespring  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:55:45pm

re: #403 Gus 802

Careful though! What if it turns into something from Family Guy and he starts to like it!

/

Ha!

I'm not worried. He won't. Though he might just sign on to some of them and start bugging/talking to people. He's done that before with other stuff. Called me up one day "I got banned from so and so's website!!"

405 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:56:25pm

re: #404 Jadespring

Ha!

I'm not worried. He won't. Though he might just sign on to some of them and start bugging/talking to people. He's done that before with other stuff. Called me up one day "I got banned from so and so's website!!"

That's funny.

406 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:57:10pm

re: #401 Gus 802

That's true. Atheists: angry people that don't believe in God, America, small children, hate dogs but like cats, and hate foxholes!

/

Zactly. Say what you want, but at least you can find homosexuals in foxholes. NTTAWWT.
/Damn atheists!

407 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:59:02pm

re: #406 Slumbering Behemoth

Zactly. Say what you want, but at least you can find homosexuals in foxholes. NTTAWWT.
/Damn atheists!

You know why there are no atheists in foxholes? Because they're all in the rear.

//

409 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:06:30pm

re: #407 Gus 802

Gawt-damned cowards. How the hell did they get into the military in the first place? No, don't tell me. Bet it was that commie Clintus and his atheistic "Don't Ask, Don't Pray" policy. Decline. DECLINE I SAY!!!

410 Jadespring  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:06:34pm

Oops. Time flew, it's 2am. Better get some sleep. I need to start working on a masters program application tomorrow.

411 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:07:24pm

re: #409 Slumbering Behemoth

Gawt-damned cowards. How the hell did they get into the military in the first place? No, don't tell me. Bet it was that commie Clintus and his atheistic "Don't Ask, Don't Pray" policy. Decline. DECLINE I SAY!!!

Don't Ask, Don't Pray!

Ha!

412 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:08:57pm

re: #7 PhillyPretzel

Sarah supports a candidate who wants to force women to carry rapists’ babies to term, even if it kills them. Oy vey this is very upsetting.

This is the ideology, and not surprising.

413 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:12:26pm

re: #411 Gus 802

This one caused a few panties to bunch hard back when it was first linked here by our resident, atheist bad-ass.

My how things have changed. :)

414 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:14:35pm

re: #112 freetoken

Evidence bribery works (as if we needed that to be confirmed...):

Pastor to get car for not burning Koran

Well, all those people standing outside my local grocery store begging for money for TJ orphanages need to up their technique, I'd say ...

Extortion For Jesus!

I have never even SAID I'd burn a Koran. May I have my car now please?

415 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:14:41pm

re: #413 Slumbering Behemoth

This one caused a few panties to bunch hard back when it was first linked here by our resident, atheist bad-ass.

My how things have changed. :)

Really? I mean it seriously caused some widespread panty bunching?

I remember we had the great Onion flounce. Was some Onion post involving a crazy kid and guns. Led to some major/minor freakage.

416 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:19:06pm

re: #241 brookly red

really... I just get such a kick out of seeing the boggie man in a skirt :)

Glad she cheered you up so. I was interested until she asked the crowd for tree fitty, and then I realized, that ain't no interestingly spunky moderate Republican VP candidate...

417 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:19:38pm

re: #244 lostlakehiker

Paglia un-praised breast implants. She's lesbian and a connoisseur of breasts, and implants don't move right, don't look right. Not the essence of liquid nourishment or something like that; I forget her exact words.

Sounds close enough.

Paglia is just ridiculous.

418 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:22:31pm

re: #308 lostlakehiker

How in the world did you manage to earn -8 dings for THAT? Dings should be reserved for truly stupid posts, or morally reprehensible, or something.

Correct but unwelcome prognostication ought to be off limits for downdings.

That was back when any slightly liberal angle on anything was cause for happy downdinging.

419 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:23:25pm

re: #308 lostlakehiker

How in the world did you manage to earn -8 dings for THAT? Dings should be reserved for truly stupid posts, or morally reprehensible, or something.

Correct but unwelcome prognostication ought to be off limits for downdings.

Any implied criticism of Palin's goodness was also grounds for downdinging.

420 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:24:31pm

re: #308 lostlakehiker

How in the world did you manage to earn -8 dings for THAT? Dings should be reserved for truly stupid posts, or morally reprehensible, or something.

Correct but unwelcome prognostication ought to be off limits for downdings.

And please remember that, at that time, a large part of this blog's readership was morally convinced that McCain was going to win. And usher in Ragnarok or something, so no Democrat could ever run again. They got sort of weird toward the end of the campaign.

421 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:24:58pm

re: #415 Gus 802

Really? I mean it seriously caused some widespread panty bunching?

I wouldn't say it was widespread, but there were some pockets of major butthurt over it.

I remember we had the great Onion flounce. Was some Onion post involving a crazy kid and guns. Led to some major/minor freakage.

Must have missed that one. Was it the one where the serial killer kid saved his family from an intruder?

422 freetoken  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:26:05pm

re: #419 SanFranciscoZionist

Any implied criticism of Palin's goodness was also grounds for downdinging.

Also, any post by SpaceJesus....

423 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:27:02pm

re: #421 Slumbering Behemoth

I wouldn't say it was widespread, but there were some pockets of major butthurt over it.

Must have missed that one. Was it the one where the serial killer kid saved his family from an intruder?

Yes. That was the one.

424 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:29:10pm

re: #422 freetoken

Also, any post by SpaceJesus...

Any post by anyone with a "Jesus"-ish nic would have at the time. Blasphemy and all that. Never had the heart to warn those folk about naming traditions in Spanish speaking nations. Might have caused unhealthy fits.

425 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:30:55pm

re: #424 Slumbering Behemoth

But hell, "Hey-Zeus" doesn't sound anything like "Gee-Zus", so I guess it's all good.

426 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:31:19pm

What I mostly remember about lurking in 08 is that there really was a deep-help belief among many people that Obama COULD NOT win, and that his defeat would be cause for dancing and kissing pretty girls and general revelry.

That lasted for some time.

427 freetoken  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:37:13pm

btw, does anyone know if it is possible to search only the spin-off links?

428 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:37:20pm

re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist

And please remember that, at that time, a large part of this blog's readership was morally convinced that McCain was going to win. And usher in Ragnarok or something, so no Democrat could ever run again. They got sort of weird toward the end of the campaign.

Ugh, going through that thread. Kind of creepy but nothing to off the wall -- at least none that I've seen yet. What's strange is that there wasn't much up dinging going on.

429 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:37:35pm

re: #426 SanFranciscoZionist

I didn't believe he could win, but knowing what I know now, I am glad I was wrong.

430 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:39:19pm

re: #428 Gus 802

Ugh, going through that thread. Kind of creepy but nothing to off the wall -- at least none that I've seen yet. What's strange is that there wasn't much up dinging going on.

It wasn't as common in that era. The ding has suffered from serious inflation around here.

431 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:40:12pm

LGF--November 4, 2008

Lizard Deborah writes:

The media has been tremendously biased for the Democrats
It will take some time to see the real numbers

Go McCain

432 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:40:28pm

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

It wasn't as common in that era. The ding has suffered from serious inflation around here.

Now I was just about to up ding that.

Whew, rough crowd it was...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

433 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:41:02pm

Wrath of G-d writes:

IF Obama wins I am moving to Hebron.

(DID he move to Hebron?)

434 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:41:58pm

re: #433 SanFranciscoZionist

Wrath of G-d writes:

IF Obama wins I am moving to Hebron.

(DID he move to Hebron?)

I think he moved to his mom's basement.

/

435 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:43:55pm

Newsjunkie_ky reports:

I just had it out with my daughter on the phone. She and her husband voted for The Zero. I told her she better pray he doesn't win, because the mom gravy train is OVER if he does.

436 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:47:37pm

November 4, 2008:

JamesTKirk refers to McCain's 'half-assed' campaign.

3 downdings.

437 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:47:51pm

re: #435 SanFranciscoZionist

Newsjunkie_ky reports:

I just had it out with my daughter on the phone. She and her husband voted for The Zero. I told her she better pray he doesn't win, because the mom gravy train is OVER if he does.

Strange. Think about it. The narrative there would be "families were broken over this election." I mean, was there anything in history like that before?

438 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:48:15pm

re: #436 SanFranciscoZionist

November 4, 2008:

JamesTKirk refers to McCain's 'half-assed' campaign.

3 downdings.

Uh oh. If you keep looking you might find me being weird.

'Elp!

/

439 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:48:18pm

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

It wasn't as common in that era. The ding has suffered from serious inflation around here.

Ding!

Back to Sid's Civ series.

Back when Civ IV came out, I dutifully went to the game store on release day to buy a copy. I grabbed one off the shelf, went to the register, and handed it to the cashier. He asked "Would you rather have the Collector's Edition?"

I asked "Isn't that usually reserved for people who pre-order?"

"Not this time, must be some mistake on the distributor's part".

"Okay, but does it cost more than the vanilla version?"

"It normally should, but it doesn't. No idea why. So, do you want the CE version or not?"

"Hell yes. I'd be an idiot to say no under such circumstances."

"Dude, you'd be surprised at how many people have said 'no' today."

Have no idea why I'm relating this insignificant story. Just bored and buzzed, I guess.

440 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:48:55pm

re: #437 Gus 802

Strange. Think about it. The narrative there would be "families were broken over this election." I mean, was there anything in history like that before?

I'm just intrigued that the child's act of betrayal is forgivable, but only if the candidate loses.

441 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:50:05pm

re: #438 Gus 802

Uh oh. If you keep looking you might find me being weird.

'Elp!

/

I'm just wandering down memory lane. I was getting worried at the time. As a lurker, I seriously feared some of these people might be emotionally damaged by an Obama win in an non-fixable way.

Some of them, I fear, were.

442 freetoken  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:50:13pm

re: #432 Gus 802

Now I was just about to up ding that.

Whew, rough crowd it was...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Heh... just take a look at those spinoff links in that thread.

443 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:51:13pm

re: #434 Gus 802

I think he moved to his mom's basement.

/

I was just going to say "He didn't even move out of his mom's basement."

444 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:52:12pm

re: #435 SanFranciscoZionist

How.
Very.
Sad.

445 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:53:27pm

re: #442 freetoken

Heh... just take a look at those spinoff links in that thread.

Stop the ACLU!!11ty

446 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:54:37pm

re: #8 brookly red

re: #5 WindUpBird

OK bird you go tell the girl how to think... just remember to leave the seat down k?

Owned

447 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:54:52pm

LGF, November 4, 2008

deadseasquirrel reports:

Breaking news at ABC website: Only 13% of the vote is black, only slightly up from 2004. Hard to lie about that one to an exit pollster.

Since less than 13% of the US population is black, this juicy fact is less indicative of a low black turn-out than of white people not staying home in such droves as to push the numbers even higher.

448 Gus  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:54:58pm

re: #442 freetoken

Heh... just take a look at those spinoff links in that thread.

Or like this one?

Michelle Malkin: "Barack 'The Silencer' Obama's gangland assault on free speech; dealing with dissent, the Chicago way.

Well gee whiz. Nothing like that ever happened. Of course some people still think something like that will happen.

449 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 11:58:42pm

My nine month old niece has managed to roll over on her arm and give herself a spiral fracture. I warned her about this rolling over business.

Aaaargh!!!!

450 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:00:25am

re: #444 Slumbering Behemoth

How.
Very.
Sad.

Moral of the story?

Remain calm. Either that or don't say anything you might find embarrassing at a later date.

451 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:01:25am

re: #435 SanFranciscoZionist

Newsjunkie_ky reports:

I just had it out with my daughter on the phone. She and her husband voted for The Zero. I told her she better pray he doesn't win, because the mom gravy train is OVER if he does.

Family values, hah!

452 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:01:34am

re: #443 Slumbering Behemoth

That dude had a shtick about American DeclineTM, with the whole "My grand parents never had to lock their doors at night." fantasy.

No matter how many times I try to remind that type that the lock and key is an invention as old as greed itself, it never sinks in.

453 freetoken  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:04:07am

2008 was a rough year here. It was a time when people really didn't like some of my links, even when they were simple, factual discussions:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

454 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:04:36am

re: #452 Slumbering Behemoth

That dude had a shtick about American DeclineTM, with the whole "My grand parents never had to lock their doors at night." fantasy.

No matter how many times I try to remind that type that the lock and key is an invention as old as greed itself, it never sinks in.

Could you imagine living in an old homestead in the middle of Hellhole, KS back in the 1800s. Near railroad tracks and a horse trail. Night time comes.

Would you lock the door? You bet.

455 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:05:24am

re: #453 freetoken

2008 was a rough year here. It was a time when people really didn't like some of my links, even when they were simple, factual discussions:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

-10

-9 ;)

456 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:05:29am

re: #450 Gus 802

My grandma and I break pretty heavily on political, religious, and social issues. But I love her dearly none the less, and bend over backwards to help her whenever I can.

I am not so shallow, petty, and partisan that I would turn my back on family over such things.

457 freetoken  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:06:07am

re: #455 Gus 802

REWRITING HISTORY!!

458 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:07:37am

re: #457 freetoken

REWRITING HISTORY!!

Why look at what's happened! Now they've got folks puttin' up links supporting halal in the US of A!!11ty

/

459 freetoken  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:08:08am

I never could understand some of the downdings, like the two who dinged down the following:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

460 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:08:16am

Ya know I am fairly sympathetic to the pro life view point. Don't always agree with it but I understand where some of them are coming from but the absolute pro life position disturbs the hell out of me just like an abortion in all circumstances candidate/person would. Honestly, I really can't judge someone who chooses to get an abortion. As a man, I'll never know what a woman goes through. Sure, maybe I may feel that not aborting is the right decision but one thing is for sure I will never judge a woman one way or the other on a difficult issue like this.

461 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:09:17am

re: #459 freetoken

I never could understand some of the downdings, like the two who dinged down the following:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

That's because you linked to something in favor of, gasp, homosexuals!

462 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:09:47am

re: #454 Gus 802

Could you imagine living in an old homestead in the middle of Hellhole, KS back in the 1800s. Near railroad tracks and a horse trail. Night time comes.

Would you lock the door? You bet.

Heh, speaking of my grandma...

She was raised, dirt poor, on a chicken farm in the middle of Hellhole, AZ during the depression, near the railroad tracks and not much else. You bet doors were locked at night.

And despite all her hardships, heartbreaks, and battles in life, she still bitches less about her lot than these pansy Tea Party people.

463 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:10:47am

re: #462 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh, speaking of my grandma...

She was raised, dirt poor, on a chicken farm in the middle of Hellhole, AZ during the depression, near the railroad tracks and not much else. You bet doors were locked at night.

And despite all her hardships, heartbreaks, and battles in life, she still bitches less about her lot than these pansy Tea Party people.

That's because 4 out of 5 teabaggers watched Mr. Rogers as children.

//

464 freetoken  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:10:47am

re: #458 Gus 802

One thing, though, is that the ding-happy crowd of those days are pretty much gone. Most of them could be understood as being like Pavlov's dogs - if they saw "obama" or "muslim" or "agw" or "gore" it was like a magnet pulled in the down-dingers, unless the spin-off link title explicitly made it clear that the above were worthy of hate, in which case the dings would be all positive.

465 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:11:57am

re: #464 freetoken

One thing, though, is that the ding-happy crowd of those days are pretty much gone. Most of them could be understood as being like Pavlov's dogs - if they saw "obama" or "muslim" or "agw" or "gore" it was like a magnet pulled in the down-dingers, unless the spin-off link title explicitly made it clear that the above were worthy of hate, in which case the dings would be all positive.

Or linking to the New York Times. Gasp!

466 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:12:44am

re: #363 marjoriemoon

It's not a mentality. It's a reality.

In the field I work, women get passed up all the time. Far too often to know that it's a boy's club at heart.

The mentality creates the reality.

Overall I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm telling you that the situation you describe is slowly but surely on its way out. This may not be much consolation for now, especially if you've been passed up due to sexism. But the numbers don't lie--at every level, from HS to professional schools, females are outperforming and out-graduating males, often by a wide margin. Things for your daughter's generation will be much better, just as the situation for this generation is better than our parent's generation.

467 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:15:14am

re: #460 HappyWarrior

Ya know I am fairly sympathetic to the pro life view point.

I was sympathetic with the PL movement myself, until the Terry Schivo incident. They completely lost me there, for good.

Not that I have a hate-on for folks that are personally PL, I'm cool with them. The political PL movement, however, can suck my balls.

468 freetoken  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:23:18am

re: #467 Slumbering Behemoth

Weirdly, the Schiavo thing didn't elicit much response from me. While I think the GOP was being irresponsible in calling back Congress for the vote, as far as the family members involved I pretty much give them a pass.

I'm somewhat "conservative" wrt abortion, since I believe in the "feasibility" criteria, as well as requiring informing parents of minors who wish to have an abortion.

Yet the current PL "movement" has become so rabid (see my entry way upstream about Esther's endorsee) that I can't see how one couldn't feel uncomfortable around them, if one believed at all in some sort of science or reason.

469 freetoken  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:24:17am

re: #468 freetoken

since I believe in the "feasibility" criteria

PIMF "viability"

470 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:25:04am

re: #426 SanFranciscoZionist

What I mostly remember about lurking in 08 is that there really was a deep-help belief among many people that Obama COULD NOT win, and that his defeat would be cause for dancing and kissing pretty girls and general revelry.

That lasted for some time.

This might be a partial explanation for the tea party phenomenon and their often hysterical demeanor. Maybe a lot of them were in denial before Nov 2008, just never seriously considering the possibility that someone like Obama could win. That wasn't "their America." And surely Jesus, or Sarah Palin, would step in at the last moment to save America. When that didn't happen, paranoia and other forms of lunacy set in.

The Republicans were just totally unrealistic leading up to the election. It wasn't their year, no matter what. Not after Bush's unpopular second term and the economic collapse.

The Dems, on the other hand, were totally unrealistic immediately after the election. Many of them were dancing on what they thought was the grave of the gop. That was way overly optimistic.

The gop still has a large natural constituency--white evangelicals, foreign policy hawks, economic libertarians, southerners. The idea that they would be "in the wilderness" for a long time was an ahistorical fantasy. Neither party has really spent much time in the wilderness since the 1930s, when the gop got total blame for the Depression, and Dems enjoyed 80% majorities in Congress.

471 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:25:08am

The Big Red One

Stein's 'Expelled' Exposed?

Warning. Over 2300 comments.

472 freetoken  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:26:13am

re: #471 Gus 802

A watershed moment in the life of LGF. Stein was, and still is, a darling of the right.

473 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:27:37am

re: #472 freetoken

A watershed moment in the life of LGF. Stein was, and still is, a darling of the right.

Yeah, look at how the first comment got 36 up dings. Then Zombie ended up with -7 for "daring" to question Saint Stein.

474 freetoken  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:30:07am

re: #473 Gus 802

Yeah, and I got a -17 for dare saying "However, man made/enhanced global warming is very well founded in basic science and is itself not "cult" like."

475 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:30:13am

re: #472 freetoken

A watershed moment in the life of LGF. Stein was, and still is, a darling of the right.

Por ejemplo:

Most stunning is Dawkin's own admission that life could not have arisen by chance; he says it's possible aliens seeded the planet! And they say ID proponents are nuts.

Hehe. +24

Dawkins would always raise a stink.

476 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:30:35am

Back to November 4:

nyc_redneck declares:

every close swing state needs to be checked closely for acorn fraud.
i'm talking a fine tooth comb.

477 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:31:04am

re: #474 freetoken

Yeah, and I got a -17 for dare saying "However, man made/enhanced global warming is very well founded in basic science and is itself not "cult" like."

Ye heretic!

/

478 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:33:13am

re: #447 SanFranciscoZionist

LGF, November 4, 2008

deadseasquirrel reports:

Breaking news at ABC website: Only 13% of the vote is black, only slightly up from 2004. Hard to lie about that one to an exit pollster.

Since less than 13% of the US population is black, this juicy fact is less indicative of a low black turn-out than of white people not staying home in such droves as to push the numbers even higher.

One of my favorite (ie, most absurd) right wing complaints is that black voters are the real racists because 95% voted for Obama. This contention melts away when one looks at black voters over the years. They've been voting at a 95% rate for Dems for decades now.

Which means people like Clinton and Gore got the same percentage of the black vote as Obama. Blacks have dutifully gone to the polls to vote for white candidates for decades, but once they get excited over a black candidate they're a bunch of racists? Totally inane, but the conservative intelligentsia (Levin, fatman, et al.) repeats this scurrilous assertion regularly.

479 freetoken  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:34:12am

re: #477 Gus 802

Thing is, my approach then (and now most of the time), if you look closely, was to very carefully word my posts to be as neutral as possible wrt personality and try to engage on the substance. Not a winning approach for a popularity contest, but I knew I could back up what I wrote.

So many people then (and today on the vast majority of blogs) act like they have Asperger's.

480 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:34:54am

re: #471 Gus 802

The Big Red One

Stein's 'Expelled' Exposed?

Warning. Over 2300 comments.

They taste like burning.

481 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:36:47am

The Pulchritudinous Patriot chimes in:

My 13 YO daughter wants Mac to win because if BO wins then the rumors are that BO will make the kids go to school 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year.

482 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:38:23am

re: #478 palomino

One of my favorite (ie, most absurd) right wing complaints is that black voters are the real racists because 95% voted for Obama. This contention melts away when one looks at black voters over the years. They've been voting at a 95% rate for Dems for decades now.

Hmmm. What percentage of white voters voted for white candidates in all elections prior to 2008? What does that say about THEM?

483 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:39:26am

re: #479 freetoken

Thing is, my approach then (and now most of the time), if you look closely, was to very carefully word my posts to be as neutral as possible wrt personality and try to engage on the substance. Not a winning approach for a popularity contest, but I knew I could back up what I wrote.

So many people then (and today on the vast majority of blogs) act like they have Asperger's.

Looking through the comments there. It's rather perplexing. Many of them always complain about the "secularists" or atheists that bring up their argument from a secular perspective. They acts and complain that they should. Yet at the same time their only arguments for defending creationism is based on their own religion. So for them it's OK to talk religion as they please yet no one should speak once from an atheist perspective.

Check this one out.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Sheeh. +26

484 freetoken  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:39:46am

re: #481 SanFranciscoZionist

Heh, didn't the President recently say that the school year ought to be extended?

485 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:41:09am

re: #479 freetoken

Thing is, my approach then (and now most of the time), if you look closely, was to very carefully word my posts to be as neutral as possible wrt personality and try to engage on the substance. Not a winning approach for a popularity contest, but I knew I could back up what I wrote.

So many people then (and today on the vast majority of blogs) act like they have Asperger's.

My step daughter has Asperger's... really funny... LOL.

486 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:42:43am
487 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:42:58am

erysldysnomia has a prophetic moment, sort of:

Most Americans are ideologically clueless.

In the next four years, conservatives need to correct that.

488 freetoken  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:44:27am

re: #485 Walter L. Newton

My step daughter has Asperger's...

I hope you all have found ways to handle it well.

489 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:44:59am

re: #487 SanFranciscoZionist

erysldysnomia has a prophetic moment, sort of:

Most Americans are ideologically clueless.

In the next four years, conservatives need to correct that.

erysldysnomia adds:

Everyone in urban areas filled up the tank, oiled the mechanism, and loaded the clip in case of riots?

490 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:45:08am

re: #468 freetoken

Weirdly, the Schiavo thing didn't elicit much response from me. While I think the GOP was being irresponsible in calling back Congress for the vote, as far as the family members involved I pretty much give them a pass.

It's the political part of that whole scenario which elicited a huge response from me. I have no compunction what so ever calling the politicians who exploited that family for political gain "ghouls". Disgusting people in the extreme.

I'm somewhat "conservative" wrt abortion, since I believe in the "feasibility" criteria, as well as requiring informing parents of minors who wish to have an abortion.

I too was quite "conservative" (ugh, perhaps "hardline" is a better description) on that until realizing that some girls pregnancies are the result of being raped/molested by their own fathers.


Yet the current PL "movement" has become so rabid (see my entry way upstream about Esther's endorsee) that I can't see how one couldn't feel uncomfortable around them, if one believed at all in some sort of science or reason.

Word. Quite the cloistered echo chamber we have here, is it not?
/

491 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:46:17am

re: #488 freetoken

I hope you all have found ways to handle it well.

Sure... I just compare other people to her... sort of like saying "So many people then (and today on the vast majority of blogs) act like they are retarded".

Really sensitive bullshit freetoken.

492 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:47:12am

Bleh.

493 freetoken  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:48:02am

re: #491 Walter L. Newton

Have you ever just browsed through Youtube comments? Or any of the fast moving comment streams?

494 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:48:45am

A later thread--late afternoon in the East--still November 4, 2008

Cartman writes:

I wonder how many Americans voted for 0bama today because they were told in not-so-uncertain terms that there would be rioting in the streets if McCain won?

495 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:50:03am

re: #494 SanFranciscoZionist

A later thread--late afternoon in the East--still November 4, 2008

Cartman writes:

I wonder how many Americans voted for 0bama today because they were told in not-so-uncertain terms that there would be rioting in the streets if McCain won?

astronomr20 gives the answer I would have given:

0.

Americans don't take well to intimidation.

496 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:50:59am

re: #493 freetoken

Have you ever just browsed through Youtube comments? Or any of the fast moving comment streams?

And what the fuck does that have to do with your insensitive comment... so... because people act like that, you can just put them in the same category of my step daughter, who really can't help the way she makes connections between things in her head.

And what about the ex number of Lizards who have copped to having varying levels of Asperger's... you comparing trolls and jerks to them too?

Sorry... I'm not giving you a pass on that comment above. Not clever, not funny, insensitive.

497 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:51:11am

Junior posts:

Guys - its done. McCain will lost CO.

We're going to get what we voted for.

Get ready America.

For this defeatism, he gets two downdings.

498 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:52:21am

re: #495 SanFranciscoZionist

astronomr20 gives the answer I would have given:

0.

Americans don't take well to intimidation.

The Great Riot Fear of 2008. Couldn't tell if they were saying people would riot if Obama won or if McCain won. Typically it revolved around right wingers thinking blacks would riot and "take ovur teh corntree!"

499 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:52:58am

re: #471 Gus 802

The Big Red One

Stein's 'Expelled' Exposed?

Warning. Over 2300 comments.

Man, I was such a dick back then.

500 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:53:01am

re: #492 Gus 802

Bleh.

Bite me.

501 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:53:02am

Bleh, bleh, bleh, bleh.

502 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:54:46am

scratch responds to Iron Fist:

Actually, most polls and voter interviews have shown me that this is a one-issue election, at least for Obama voters: which candidate has promised to lower my taxes most. As if the President writes the tax code.

I wonder if they will remember why they voted the way they did, when the magical tax cuts don't happen.

503 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:55:02am

re: #499 Slumbering Behemoth

Man, I was such a dick back then.

I don't even want to look at what I said in my darker moments.

504 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:56:23am

re: #472 freetoken

A watershed moment in the life of LGF. Stein was, and still is, a darling of the right.

Sad. I am of "the right", yet I readily reject him as I would anyone who abandons reason and truth for the pursuit of baseless propaganda. He too, can suck my balls.

505 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:58:31am

Back in 2008, the LGF thread is starting to realize that Obama has won the election. Iron Fist lays plans to make his administration miserable.

Frank Veracity has his own ideas:

Well, my plan if the big zero does win is to cash in my IRA and take the tax hit this year before the taxes go way up. Then I'm going to keep my money in a very low interst account to prevent having to pay taxes on it. I'm old enough to file for Social Security benefits for myself and my wife so I'll shut down my consulting business and only work enough to cover my mortgage payments. That should allow me to escape the big zeros tax increases while also not funding any of his spending.

Who is John Gault? We all are (or should be).

506 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:59:14am

re: #505 SanFranciscoZionist

Back in 2008, the LGF thread is starting to realize that Obama has won the election. Iron Fist lays plans to make his administration miserable.

Frank Veracity has his own ideas:

Well, my plan if the big zero does win is to cash in my IRA and take the tax hit this year before the taxes go way up. Then I'm going to keep my money in a very low interst account to prevent having to pay taxes on it. I'm old enough to file for Social Security benefits for myself and my wife so I'll shut down my consulting business and only work enough to cover my mortgage payments. That should allow me to escape the big zeros tax increases while also not funding any of his spending.

Who is John Gault? We all are (or should be).

What's the link to this?

507 freetoken  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:01:33am

re: #504 Slumbering Behemoth

Sad. I am of "the right", ...

Somehow I just don't see you fitting in with the Tea Partiers...

508 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:02:19am

As Obama takes Ohio, MandyManners chimes in:

By the pricking of my thumbs, something fascist this way comes.

509 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:02:35am

re: #506 Gus 802

What's the link to this?

How do you link specific comments?

510 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:03:06am

re: #500 Walter L. Newton

Here Walter.

Peace, OK.

511 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:03:31am

re: #509 SanFranciscoZionist

How do you link specific comments?

Oh, that would work too. Just wondering where the thread was.

512 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:05:00am

re: #511 Gus 802

Oh, that would work too. Just wondering where the thread was.

Here. Iron Fist's comments have been nuked, but a few quoted pieces survive.

513 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:05:55am

re: #512 SanFranciscoZionist

Here. Iron Fist's comments have been nuked, but a few quoted pieces survive.

I see you asked how. Oops. But here's the link. Thanks.

514 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:06:08am

re: #507 freetoken

Somehow I just don't see you fitting in with the Tea Partiers...

They are of the far right as far as I'm concerned, brother, and I don't fit in with them at all. They too can partake of my testicles.

515 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:07:05am

Then we come to this thread.

obscured by clouds writes: I feel like we just lost the Cold War...in 2008.

516 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:08:06am

lobo91 responds: I think we've just witnessed the first late term abortion of a country.

517 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:10:12am

re: #515 SanFranciscoZionist

Then we come to this thread.

obscured by clouds writes: I feel like we just lost the Cold War...in 2008.

Wait! I found something that I said!

Well, it's finally over. 2 more months of Bush and then we wait.
/Spinning wheels.

Whew. I showed some pragmatism!

This was in the "President Obama" thread which got -83. I didn't ding it up or down.

518 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:11:07am

fish: All Hail Dear Leader.

May Death come swiftly to his enemies.

(Practicing so that I can say it during furture mandatory rallies and book burnings)

kahn_mann: We're fucked

WinstonChurchill: And the Republic ends...not with a bang, but with a whimper. The shining city on the hill is no more.

These three posts appear consecutively.

I promise not to say any of them if Palin wins in 2012.

519 TedStriker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:11:18am

re: #516 SanFranciscoZionist

lobo91 responds: I think we've just witnessed the first late term abortion of a country.

Yet, to the wingnuts' consternation, Obama is still the President of the United States, the country is still rolling on (yet still in recovery mode), and they're still bitching and whining and moaning about it all.

Par for the course...

520 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:13:27am

re: #519 talon_262

Yet, to the wingnuts' consternation, Obama is still the President of the United States, the country is still rolling on (yet still in recovery mode), and they're still bitching and whining and moaning about it all.

Par for the course...

Ah, election nights can get folks down, and I think a lot of the posters on that thread had been drinking heavily by this point.

521 freetoken  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:14:21am

re: #519 talon_262

... and they're still bitching and whining and moaning about it all.

Oh yeah, the histrionics. Sort of like when Bush won and so many die-hard anti-Bush folk declared they were going to leave the country, etc.

522 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:14:36am

Racer_X writes: "Congratulations to President Barack Obama", and promptly gets NINE downdings for this pleasantry.

523 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:15:20am

re: #522 SanFranciscoZionist

Racer_X writes: "Congratulations to President Barack Obama", and promptly gets NINE downdings for this pleasantry.

Sorry. Misquote.

But he did get NINE downdings.

524 TedStriker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:16:10am

re: #520 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, election nights can get folks down, and I think a lot of the posters on that thread had been drinking heavily by this point.

I'll agree with that...I'll admit that I was hoping for McCain to have pulled it out on Election Night (before we had proof positive what how bad Palin really was), but alcohol was not part of my equation.

525 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:17:58am

Jamie writes: "Mazel tov, President-elect Obama."

That's worth 5 down-dings.

526 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:19:08am

BTW, for McCain voting lizards, this is not a gloating exercise--I'm just checking back to see if my memory of how fired up and odd-sounding people were at the time is accurate, and reporting back random snippets 'cause it's 1:18 in the morning.

I can stop anytime.

527 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:19:51am

re: #526 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, for McCain voting lizards, this is not a gloating exercise--I'm just checking back to see if my memory of how fired up and odd-sounding people were at the time is accurate, and reporting back random snippets 'cause it's 1:18 in the morning.

I can stop anytime.

You can keep going if you wish.

528 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:19:52am

CIA Reject writes: McCain didn't lose the election- the KGB and Al-Queda won.

529 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:21:31am

RedWhiteandJew writes: "Assuming we can still vote in a few years.

CyanSnowHawk snaps back: Shut up already, you sound like those asshats predicting that W would declare martial law and stop the election.

Not everyone had lost their mind at this moment.

530 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:22:48am

re: #529 SanFranciscoZionist

RedWhiteandJew writes: "Assuming we can still vote in a few years.

CyanSnowHawk snaps back: Shut up already, you sound like those asshats predicting that W would declare martial law and stop the election.

Not everyone had lost their mind at this moment.

Kosh's Shadow, however, HAD: I just hope it is only 0bama supporters in the cities that get nuked, but it won't be.
And I wonder if I'll be able to walk in some parts of this country openly as a Jew, with kippa and tzitzit.
Or maybe a yellow star will make it OK.

531 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:24:38am

Because Lizards is Lizards, everyone in the Obama victory thread who speaks of secession has been downdinged.

532 TedStriker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:25:21am

re: #526 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, for McCain voting lizards, this is not a gloating exercise--I'm just checking back to see if my memory of how fired up and odd-sounding people were at the time is accurate, and reporting back random snippets 'cause it's 1:18 in the morning.

I can stop anytime.

Wow, I was worse then than I thought:

re: #529 Peter Verkooijen

We need him to succeed at what?!

Obama has a classic academic anti-American agenda. His goal will be to change America from its democratic, individualistic, capitalist foundation to a socialist, collectivist model.

And our job is to block and blunt him every chance we can, because too many were dazzled by his "Hope!" and "Change!" bullshit...we may be down, but not out!

Hindsight is 20/20 and, frankly, I'm a bit embarassed at myself...

533 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:31:06am

Well, here we are almost two years later and everyone still has their assault rifles.

//

534 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:31:22am

redc1c4 is in a mood: who cares? they knew and voted for him anyway... all these morons are going to get what they deserve and i hope they get it good and hard.

it will serve them right. i will enjoy every last outraged squeal and complaint and laugh at their pain and suffering, while pointing out with glee that it's their fault and it's their president that's hosing them.

he sure as hell isn't mine, and enjoying their pain will be about the only thing that takes my mind off mine.

535 TedStriker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:31:56am

_RememberTonyC had a very good comment in that thread (unmolested by downdingers, but no updings either) that I wished I had paid more heed then (but have since come around on, after the post-election fog wore off and President Obama took office):

I have the utmost respect for "Lizard Nation." And I wanted McCain to win very badly. But Obama is the President Elect. And it is in all of our interests for him to be succesful and lead this nation wisely. I pray he has the wisdom and good judgment to make mostly good decisions. I expect to disagree with him on many things. And I expect that he will require me to pay more taxes. But the man has a tough job and we need him to succeed. To feel otherwise is to put politics above our common interests. And I cannot do that. I am an American first. And while we are disappointed tonight, we canot give in to bitterness. If he screws it up, he'll be gone in 4 years and the Senate and Congress will change in just 730 days. That is our system and he will not be the dictator some fear he will be. And whether you voted for him or not, his election tells the rest of the world that we ARE better than they are. Because in no other country could a minority member achieve this goal. Never again can miserable countries like france or iran look down their noses at us and say we're not the most inclusive, fairminded people in the world. G-d Bless all of you and G-d Bless America!
536 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:32:07am

Still in Afghanistan. Gitmo is still open for business...

537 freetoken  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:32:58am

re: #526 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm just checking back to see if my memory of how fired up and odd-sounding people were at the time is accurate,...

Which was a driving force in me creating my current avatar.

538 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:34:06am

Richard Romano writes: God bless Senator Obama -- I don't agree with anything he espouses, but we have to be impressed by this achievement. He'll need our prayers and support.

Jindal-Cuda 2012!

He is downdinged twice.

539 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:35:05am

killerjoe is NOT happy:

this pos might be your president, but he is not mine. I will never, ever give my support to the nazi dems. I will give them what they gave us.
540 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:38:44am

re: #539 SanFranciscoZionist

killerjoe is NOT happy:

The Morning After

541 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:38:47am

At post 308, Charles brings some sanity: It would be great if I didn't have to shut down this comment thread. But I will if I have to. I'm not happy about this outcome, either, but I'm not going to freak out and say things I'll regret later.

Get a grip, people.

542 TedStriker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:39:16am

re: #539 SanFranciscoZionist

killerjoe is NOT happy:

You know, I noticed a lot of names on that post-election thread that I'd not seen before or since...and most of the the more strident ones that I did recognize (looking through it now) have gone the way of the dodo.

Times, they are a-changin...thanks to Charles for putting up with us, because I know it seems at times a thankless task.

543 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:39:58am

re: #508 SanFranciscoZionist

Divide and conquer from within.

544 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:40:52am

hermaneutics has some advice for surviving the Obama presidency:

Lets think proactively. How to survive Obama's presidency:

1. Invest carefully. Keep some in cash and put the rest in tax-free financial instruments.
2. Pull kids out of schools before they get "re-educated." Private or home school.
3. Lay low. Legally avoid paying taxes to this government for it ultimately will hurt those to whom it is re-distributed.
4. If you own a small company, have family work for you and fire as many employees as possible.
5. Consider dual citizenship for your children.

545 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:42:28am

re: #540 Gus 802

The Morning After

Ugh...

They will STILL like what happens 'cause the inner-city dwellers will STILL get their damn welfare.

546 TedStriker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:42:29am

re: #544 SanFranciscoZionist

hermaneutics has some advice for surviving the Obama presidency:

Lets think proactively. How to survive Obama's presidency:

1. Invest carefully. Keep some in cash and put the rest in tax-free financial instruments.
2. Pull kids out of schools before they get "re-educated." Private or home school.
3. Lay low. Legally avoid paying taxes to this government for it ultimately will hurt those to whom it is re-distributed.
4. If you own a small company, have family work for you and fire as many employees as possible.
5. Consider dual citizenship for your children.

They forgot a couple of things: BUY GUNZ!!ty and BUY GOLD!!ty

/Glenn Beck got the drop on them for those...

547 BryanS  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:46:15am

re: #483 Gus 802

Looking through the comments there. It's rather perplexing. Many of them always complain about the "secularists" or atheists that bring up their argument from a secular perspective. They acts and complain that they should. Yet at the same time their only arguments for defending creationism is based on their own religion. So for them it's OK to talk religion as they please yet no one should speak once from an atheist perspective.

Check this one out.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Sheeh. +26

wow....such a comment wouldn't get +26 now.

548 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:47:20am

re: #547 BryanS

wow...such a comment wouldn't get +26 now.

More like -26. Maybe not that much but it would be the other way around.

549 TedStriker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:49:23am

Almost 4 am here in Music City...namaste, y'all.

550 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:52:17am

Going to bed myself.

Good night all.

551 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:53:38am

Off to sleep here as well.

Night all.

552 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:54:40am

re: #518 SanFranciscoZionist

I promise not to say any of them if Palin wins in 2012.

We do our thing here in The States. I was disgusted by all the "I'm sorry" wussies who posted their pics all over the interwebs when Bush won in '04. I made a point of saying here I would do nothing so lame were Obama to win in '08. And I didn't.

My team didn't win in '08. Tough shit, though I am not that sad about it. But I feel no need to apologize to the world for how our election system works. Fuck that, and fuck those wussies.

553 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:58:18am

re: #546 talon_262

They forgot a couple of things: BUY GUNZ!!ty and BUY GOLD!!ty

/Glenn Beck got the drop on them for those...

NON-HYBRID SEEDS, MOTHA-FUCKAH!1!11TY

554 BryanS  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:08:27am

Honest question, but is supporting abortion rights really a litmus test on feminism? We know Palin is a social-con and wears her religion on her sleeve. If Palin is the kind of person who believes conception to be the point that a human life is there to be protected--and she is a religious fundie--then opposing abortion seems less to do with opposing feminism and more about her religion.

555 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:12:45am

re: #554 BryanS

Supporting those who want to legally enforce that religious belief on others makes it not about her own religion, but her willingness to impose her religious views on others through the force of law. The religious view that nobody should be allowed access to abortion, even the victims of violent rape, is definitely one that is anti-feminist.

556 BryanS  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:18:59am

re: #555 Obdicut

Supporting those who want to legally enforce that religious belief on others makes it not about her own religion, but her willingness to impose her religious views on others through the force of law. The religious view that nobody should be allowed access to abortion, even the victims of violent rape, is definitely one that is anti-feminist.

See, I would classify it more as you started out doing--religious intolerance. Why isn't that the language we use when abortion opponents push their religion as policy?

557 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:20:31am

re: #556 BryanS

See, I would classify it more as you started out doing--religious intolerance. Why isn't that the language we use when abortion opponents push their religion as policy?

Why do you insist on classifying it as only one or the other? I don't get it.

If someone believes, because of religion, that black people should be enslaved, and wants that belief imposed through force of law, that is both religiously intolerant and racist of them.

Even if they believe, in whatever screwed up way, it's for black people's own good.

558 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:25:42am

Hey Hoops, where in Oklahoma are you at, anyway? Have you been to POPS yet?

[Link: route66.com...]

Great bit of Americana.

559 BryanS  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:27:40am

re: #557 Obdicut

Why do you insist on classifying it as only one or the other? I don't get it.

If someone believes, because of religion, that black people should be enslaved, and wants that belief imposed through force of law, that is both religiously intolerant and racist of them.

Even if they believe, in whatever screwed up way, it's for black people's own good.

Not quite a fitting analogy. The difference is that the abortion stance from people like Palin is not intended to be a policy of beating down women, though I suppose there could be some that use it that way. If they truly and sincerely believe that a clump of cells is a human life, then they are not focusing on the rights of the women because they believe a life is at stake.

Now I happen to disagree with Palin and abortion opponents on whether life begins at conception. But I think the reason the language we use to criticize her matters is that if we miss the mark, both sides are just screaming past each other. When in reality, it is simply that some want to impose their religious beliefs on others.

560 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:28:45am

re: #558 Obdicut

Hey Hoops, where in Oklahoma are you at, anyway? Have you been to POPS yet?

[Link: route66.com...]

Great bit of Americana.

I live 2 blocks from the OU campus in Norman...It effen rocks here..I'm still a bit buzzed from homecoming last night...Great game last night...52-zip beat down of ISU.. I just moved here 2 weeks ago

561 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:31:31am

re: #554 BryanS

Should she or anyone of her persuasion be in office, they would be in a position to write laws or influence policy, no?

In this way, I think such issues have less to do with an individual politician's religion, and more to do with the concerns of Americans as a whole.

It is not the force and direction of her religious beliefs that should be of concern, so much as how she or anyone in such a position would wield that force and in what ways, or against what targets, they would direct it.

Often times such hopefuls make it clear how they would use their elected position to influence, direct, or manipulate the course of our nation and it's laws to align more strictly to their dogmatic views. More often then that, we do not have the benefit of seeing such people as they truly are before taking office.

The issue is not so much about a potential's religion, but how they may govern in light of their insubstantial beliefs.

If you are looking for a violation of Article VI in this, I should say you will not find it.

562 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:35:44am

re: #559 BryanS

The difference is that the abortion stance from people like Palin is not intended to be a policy of beating down women, though I suppose there could be some that use it that way.

And the stance on slavery from some was really not intended to beat down blacks, but to uplift them; they honestly thought slavery was the best thing for black people. So I fail to see how the analogy doesn't work.

And you only suppose some people could use it that way? You don't see that, in many, many cases, law passed about abortion access-- like the laws forcing women to be vaginally penetrated with an ultrasound wand and have the fetus described to them-- are much more about shame for the woman than anything else?

Now I happen to disagree with Palin and abortion opponents on whether life begins at conception. But I think the reason the language we use to criticize her matters is that if we miss the mark, both sides are just screaming past each other. When in reality, it is simply that some want to impose their religious beliefs on others.

I think you missed my point, then. The language matters, sure; however, the belief that no woman should ever have access to abortion is definitely anti-feminist. So would the religious belief that women have to veil themselves in order to protect their own souls, or that if women menstruate near others they'll cause them to sicken and die. All of these beliefs might be sincerely religiously held, but they are still anti-feminist. It is entirely possible, and I'm not sure why you're arguing against the concept, for something to be both a sincere religious belief and anti-woman, anti-feminist.

563 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:37:58am

re: #560 HoosierHoops

I live 2 blocks from the OU campus in Norman...It effen rocks here..I'm still a bit buzzed from homecoming last night...Great game last night...52-zip beat down of ISU.. I just moved here 2 weeks ago

Well, you're just an hour from POPS-- go there!

[Link: maps.google.com...]

I think they have special stuff going on on OSU game days, too.

564 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:38:52am

re: #563 Obdicut

Dangit, that didn't include the POPS part. Hold on.

[Link: maps.google.com...]

There we go.

565 BryanS  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:43:20am

re: #561 Slumbering Behemoth

Should she or anyone of her persuasion be in office, they would be in a position to write laws or influence policy, no?

In this way, I think such issues have less to do with an individual politician's religion, and more to do with the concerns of Americans as a whole.

It is not the force and direction of her religious beliefs that should be of concern, so much as how she or anyone in such a position would wield that force and in what ways, or against what targets, they would direct it.

Often times such hopefuls make it clear how they would use their elected position to influence, direct, or manipulate the course of our nation and it's laws to align more strictly to their dogmatic views. More often then that, we do not have the benefit of seeing such people as they truly are before taking office.

The issue is not so much about a potential's religion, but how they may govern in light of their insubstantial beliefs.

If you are looking for a violation of Article VI in this, I should say you will not find it.

I don't think it rises to establishment of religion. But I think more should be made of the fact that the entire reason for opposing abortions at any point is entirely a faith based proposition and belief that a few cells is a human being.

Palin has made clear where her policies would be. We do have the benefit of seeing that in her before she runs for higher office. I have to say I'm a little surprised to see her making moves suggesting she wants to run for president. She shouldn't hold office again.

566 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:45:53am

re: #565 BryanS

But I think more should be made of the fact that the entire reason for opposing abortions at any point is entirely a faith based proposition and belief that a few cells is a human being.

I don't agree. I think that a large part of the reason is also to punish and shame women for sexual behavior that those religions find unpalatable as well.

567 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:57:10am

U.S. military launches mystery space plane on secret mission

Washington (CNN) -- Mystery surrounds the U.S. military's Orbital Test Vehicle, the X-37B OTV, which launched into space in April from the Cape Canaveral Air Station in Florida.

Is it an aircraft? Is it the next generation space shuttle? How much does it cost? And why is it such a secret?

The X-37B OTV is a classified Air Force project that has never been fully explained by the Pentagon.

Some worry it may be the start of military operations in space -- that the plane might some day carry weapons to shoot down enemy satellites.

Some are concerned it may be used as a quick-response vehicle that could be sent very quickly with weapons to a danger spot, said Victoria Samson of the Secure World Foundation.

568 BryanS  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:59:02am

re: #562 Obdicut

I still think the analogy doesn't fit. The reason it doesn't is opposition to abortion is ultimately about whether there is another human being involved that also has rights. It has nothing to do with whether the woman has rights (in the minds of abortion opponents). There is a reason there is less disagreement over limitations on late term abortions. That is why I think it is more appropriate to focus on the opposition as being faith based. Also, since many Americans do not hold the same views on life beginning at conception, it is a more clear and direct argument that I think is winnable in the public debate.

Is there really a law forcing women to be penetrated for an ultrasound? That sounds over the top since there is no need to penetrate to get an ultrasound image of the fetus. Can you cite a law that requires forcible penetration?

569 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 3:05:04am

re: #568 BryanS

The reason it doesn't is opposition to abortion is ultimately about whether there is another human being involved that also has rights.

As is the argument about slavery; whether or not that other human being has rights.

That is why I think it is more appropriate to focus on the opposition as being faith based.

Can you give any explanation for why you think this is a dichotomous choice?


Is there really a law forcing women to be penetrated for an ultrasound? That sounds over the top since there is no need to penetrate to get an ultrasound image of the fetus. Can you cite a law that requires forcible penetration?

Oh boy. You missed a lot:

[Link: www.slate.com...]

The law mandates that whatever technique will give the best picture be used; in early pregnancy-- when abortion is likely-- this means a vaginal wand, rather than an exterior ultrasound.

There was also a law passed requiring women to provide, for public consumption, the "woman's age, marital status, education level, number of previous pregnancies, cost and type of abortion, as well as the mother's relationship to the father"

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

As an opponent of the law said, even though this doesn't ask for names, it might as well:


"This law asks for so much information, and they are going to put it on the Internet for public scorn," said Davis. "Women who have abortions are considered murderers by many people, and you are going to put the name of a town of 200 and the fact that the girl is 17 and it's her first pregnancy and she in the 10th grade. People are going to know who it is."
570 BryanS  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 3:12:08am

re: #566 Obdicut

I don't agree. I think that a large part of the reason is also to punish and shame women for sexual behavior that those religions find unpalatable as well.

I could see that there would be something to that as well. Abortion opponents would be just as likely to argue that abortions wouldn't be as necessary if not for behaviors they did not approve of.

However, I do think the question of whether there is a human life is what wins the debate and ultimately what can persuade the electorate. I'm not saying the womens' rights issues are not important--they are the reason that once the question of whether it is a human life is considered that it becomes more obvious that abortions should be kept legal. But we should not accept the conclusion that abortions are a result only of immoral behavior. That should be an irrelevant argument if the question of whether it is a human life is pinned down.

Abortion opponents are working backwards on the issue--from birth, counting back weeks justifying it is a "viable" human being and therefore should be afforded rights as a person. The side in favor of protecting abortion rights should be pushing the argument forward from the moment of conception where only a tiny minority --and then only faith based--think that is a human life.

571 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 3:15:19am

re: #570 BryanS

Again, why does this have to be dichotomous for you?

572 BryanS  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 3:21:04am

re: #569 Obdicut

As is the argument about slavery; whether or not that other human being has rights.

Can you give any explanation for why you think this is a dichotomous choice?

Oh boy. You missed a lot:

[Link: www.slate.com...]

The law mandates that whatever technique will give the best picture be used; in early pregnancy-- when abortion is likely-- this means a vaginal wand, rather than an exterior ultrasound.

There was also a law passed requiring women to provide, for public consumption, the "woman's age, marital status, education level, number of previous pregnancies, cost and type of abortion, as well as the mother's relationship to the father"

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

As an opponent of the law said, even though this doesn't ask for names, it might as well:

Thanx for the references--yeah, that is pretty obnoxious and that law should be struck down. I've only skimmed the articles you referenced, but didn't see where it described forced penetration. At first glance, the disclosure requirements seem particularly abusive.

573 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 3:22:03am

re: #572 BryanS

I explained where it described forced penetration, Bryan.


The law mandates that whatever technique will give the best picture be used; in early pregnancy-- when abortion is likely-- this means a vaginal wand, rather than an exterior ultrasound.
574 BryanS  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 3:32:26am

re: #571 Obdicut

Again, why does this have to be dichotomous for you?

It doesn't have to be either or. But the public debate seems to focus the argument in favor of abortion rights as a womens' rights issue. Which of course it is. Again, not that that is unimportant, but arguing the case from that viewpoint skirts the claim that abortion opponents make that abortion is killing a human being. Focusing on their faith based view of when life begins hammers their main argument directly. It just seems to me that abortion rights advocates should spend a little more time fighting back on the accusation that holding that position is equivalent to advocating murder. Instead, we too often answer the charge of "it's murder" with "women need equal rights".

575 BryanS  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 3:37:00am

re: #573 Obdicut

I explained where it described forced penetration, Bryan.

I saw your explanation and understood what you meant--just didn't see the reference to the "whatever technique will give the best picture be used".

576 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 3:39:23am

re: #574 BryanS

But the public debate seems to focus the argument in favor of abortion rights as a womens' rights issue.

I don't know why it seems that way. It's presented as a women's rights issue because it is one. It is also presented as a case of religious doctrine being made law. It is approached both ways.

Instead, we too often answer the charge of "it's murder" with "women need equal rights".

I have never heard the charge of 'it's murder' answered with "women need equal rights." Ever. It is answered with scientific information about fetal development, in my experience.

577 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 3:44:00am

re: #575 BryanS

I saw your explanation and understood what you meant--just didn't see the reference to the "whatever technique will give the best picture be used".

Do you think I'm making that up? Sheesh, dude, do a little research on your own.

[Link: webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us...]

Perform an obstetric ultrasound on the pregnant woman, using either a vaginal transducer or an abdominal transducer, whichever would display the embryo or fetus more clearly;

578 BryanS  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 3:49:44am

re: #576 Obdicut

I don't know why it seems that way. It's presented as a women's rights issue because it is one. It is also presented as a case of religious doctrine being made law. It is approached both ways.

I have never heard the charge of 'it's murder' answered with "women need equal rights." Ever. It is answered with scientific information about fetal development, in my experience.

When have you ever seen an ad or political campaign message positively advocate the need to push back the encroachment of a faith based belief of when life begins? I haven't seen them.

Sure, when a politician or advocate is posed directly with the charge that they support murder, they of course respond. But I am not aware of any ad campaign based on "scientific information about fetal development". It could be a tactical decision that it is easier to run campaigns in support of womens issues than it is to run a campaign in favor of keeping faith based views from dictating public policy.

579 BryanS  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 3:55:10am

re: #577 Obdicut

Do you think I'm making that up? Sheesh, dude, do a little research on your own.

[Link: webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us...]

I'm not making accusations...you can back off the soap box. I just wanted to find the reference. I looked at every article linked to from the slate article, so yeah in the couple minutes between responding, my research didn't show anything. Sorry I didn't read the legislation in the past few minutes we have been discussing the issue.

580 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 4:05:27am

re: #578 BryanS

When have you ever seen an ad or political campaign message positively advocate the need to push back the encroachment of a faith based belief of when life begins? I haven't seen them.

Why is this the litmus test? I really don't get what the hell you're arguing at all. You really think we need an ad campaign saying "a zygote is not a person"? That'll do it? You think that a lot of people who aren't religiously convinced that a fetus is a person are just uninformed on the science?


But I am not aware of any ad campaign based on "scientific information about fetal development". It could be a tactical decision that it is easier to run campaigns in support of womens issues than it is to run a campaign in favor of keeping faith based views from dictating public policy.

It could be, also, an acknowledgement that even if you grant-- solely for the purposes of argument-- that a fetus is an 'individual', that would not grant it rights beyond that of ordinary humans (who are not allowed to dictate that other people spend nine months of their lives supporting them with their own organs) nor would it change the reality of women seeking abortions.

This essay can take you through the thought process, hopefully. I also hope you notice it comes from a prominent pro-choice source.

[Link: www.abortionaccess.info...]

Here's a historical overview of the subject:

[Link: whippersnapper.wordpress.com...]

581 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 4:06:47am

re: #579 BryanS

I'm not making accusations...you can back off the soap box. I just wanted to find the reference. I looked at every article linked to from the slate article, so yeah in the couple minutes between responding, my research didn't show anything. Sorry I didn't read the legislation in the past few minutes we have been discussing the issue.

Why did you think it wasn't true, though?

I'm more pissed off that you are deigning to lecture, well, every single person who cares about abortion rights on the right approach to use, but apparently are ignorant of the state of abortion rights in this country.

582 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 4:09:06am

Morning, all!

583 Fart Knocker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 4:17:48am

Good Morning Lizards!

Another Will Rogers' quote to start the day.

I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.

584 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 4:29:57am

So, looming typhoons as strong as Katrina, more conservative hypocrisy, and I still have a thesis to write.

Also good morning.

/because Barack Obama doesn't care 'bout Asian people. :B

585 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 4:46:18am

Morning all.

586 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 5:02:22am

bbiab.

587 RogueOne  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 5:38:20am

I just saw the Beav on NBC, He looks like a wrinkly 8-yr old. Freakish.

588 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 5:47:34am

October is starting to feel vaguely Octoberish, and that gives me a good excuse to suggest some music by Dead Can Dance.

589 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 7:08:26am

Good Morning. Quick check here and then we're off to a pancake breakfast. Small town life can be wonderful sometimes.

590 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 7:15:46am

Shuddup and pour some coffee.

591 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 7:20:08am

re: #588 negativ

592 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 7:31:11am

re: #544 SanFranciscoZionist

I must say "Thank You" to SFZ, for taking the Stalkers' "memory hole" meme and throwing back in their face. It's a real thing of beauty.

593 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 7:32:29am

Remember when racing games were more about the rides than pimping them?

Me neither.

594 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 7:32:42am

re: #592 Dark_Falcon

Where she'd do that?

595 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 7:35:57am
596 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 7:36:52am
597 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 7:37:46am

re: #596 Obdicut

I was gonna post that. Good thing I don't feel like sleeping much tonight...

598 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 7:38:19am

re: #594 Obdicut

Where she'd do that?

Upthread. She was quoting from the election night thread in 2008. You won't see much of me on it though. I was at a friend's house and was not online most of the night.

599 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 7:39:41am

re: #596 Obdicut

Image: abandoned-clown-train.png

Link didn't work.

600 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 7:47:16am

re: #598 Dark_Falcon

Ah. That. Yes. It was very informative.

601 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 7:49:38am

CNN reports on the trailer for "Sarah Palin's Alaska".

602 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 7:56:55am

re: #592 Dark_Falcon

I must say "Thank You" to SFZ, for taking the Stalkers' "memory hole" meme and throwing back in their face. It's a real thing of beauty.

I wasn't here for the Ben Stein film discussion, and was casually lurking around election time. It was interesting to see the break-points in Lizards evolution. KT's early rejection of the TP enthusiasm was significant to me.

603 jaunte  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 7:57:37am

re: #601 Dark_Falcon

That should be interesting. I wonder if she has any bookshelves in the house.

604 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:01:03am

re: #603 jaunte

That should be interesting. I wonder if she has any bookshelves in the house.

Almost certainly. Even if it's just encyclopedias and children's books. She has 5 children (two of them grown), that generates a lot of books.

605 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:06:56am

re: #602 Decatur Deb

I wasn't here for the Ben Stein film discussion, and was casually lurking around election time. It was interesting to see the break-points in Lizards evolution. KT's early rejection of the TP enthusiasm was significant to me.

KT looking into the TP stuff was significant for me as well.

I just went back to look over those threads.

Here is something I posted to "Typical Whitey", who is now at the stalker blog, and recently called me a "cajun c-nt". Her post was to someone else in the thread; I responded to her "my nephew died for nothing". As far as I can recall, my interactions with that person were similar to this one. I'm perplexed as to why, now, I'm deserving of being called a "c-nt" in her mind:

r

e: #271 Typicalwhitey

My nic is blue.
Please ad me to your email list and perhaps we could chat sometime.

My nephew died for nothing.

TW -
Your nephew fought and died so that we could have a free election.

Your nephew fought and died so that you and I and those of like mind can be free to work to change those things we don't like, including the person who occupies the office of the President.

Your nephew did not die for nothing. But I can understand exactly why you feel that way right now.

I can't find my nic in any of the election night threads. But before someone goes and digs it up, here is what I posted the morning after the election:

Good morning, all!

The results of the vote were not what I wanted.

Obama is our president-elect, and we must accept that, even if we cannot celebrate it.

My job now: Support those things I can, and be in loyal opposition to those things I do not support or agree with.

The powers of the office of the presidency are great, but also they are limited. Obama is neither a king nor a dictator.

This country is nothing if not flexible. We have an interesting 4 years ahead of us.

606 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:12:45am

re: #602 Decatur Deb

re: #605 reine.de.tout

Thanks for the kind words.

607 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:13:58am

re: #605 reine.de.tout

It's amazing I thought so differently back then.

I remember particularly saying that I'd be taking a lot of time off from LGF on November 3.

Also watched Quantum of Solace that day to cheer myself up a bit.

608 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:18:22am

Another reason to grow your own: Supplier recalls frozen vegetables due to glass fragments

Packages containing frozen vegetables sold by Wal-Mart nationwide and Kroger stores in the Southeast may contain glass fragments, the supplier said Friday in announcing a voluntary recall.

609 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:18:24am

Let's see...
After the 2008 election I was, meh.
If the Rs win in two weeks, I'll be meh.
MEH!
:)

610 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:20:00am

re: #609 Varek Raith

Let's see...
After the 2008 election I was, meh.
If the Rs win in two weeks, I'll be meh.
MEH!
:)

HOW CAN YOU BE SO APATHETIC WHEN OYR COUNTRY IS ON THE PRCECIPICE OF THE AYSBS.

/no backspace buttons were pressed for the above exclamation.

611 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:20:43am

re: #610 laZardo

HOW CAN YOU BE SO APATHETIC WHEN OYR COUNTRY IS ON THE PRCECIPICE OF THE AYSBS.

/no backspace buttons were pressed for the above exclamation.

Meh.
^That's how!

612 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:23:51am

re: #610 laZardo

HOW CAN YOU BE SO APATHETIC WHEN OYR COUNTRY IS ON THE PRCECIPICE OF THE AYSBS.

/no backspace buttons were pressed for the above exclamation.

He's a Sith. They're at home in the abyss.

613 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:32:52am

Just got back from the monthly VFW breakfast... bought 6 raffle tickets for this...

[Link: www.remington.com...]

Kewl...

614 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:33:13am

re: #605 reine.de.tout

I saw your quote, and you have held to it.

615 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:33:28am

re: #613 Walter L. Newton

Oooh.

/aaah.

616 darthstar  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:36:11am

re: #609 Varek Raith

Let's see...
After the 2008 election I was, meh.
If the Rs win in two weeks, I'll be meh.
MEH!
:)

I think the impeachment of President Obama will be entertaining as hell, as people like the ever malleable McCain say, "Well, there's a lot of anger in this country already, and I don't want Sarah Palin to be mad at me."

617 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:37:09am

re: #613 Walter L. Newton

Just got back from the monthly VFW breakfast... bought 6 raffle tickets for this...

[Link: www.remington.com...]

Kewl...

Cool, except for the color. Driving through Seoul you used to come upon ROK hardpoints with treehouse camo all over them. I asked a Korean co-worker:
"Uh, shouldn't that place look like a KFC?"

618 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:38:17am

re: #613 Walter L. Newton

Just got back from the monthly VFW breakfast... bought 6 raffle tickets for this...

[Link: www.remington.com...]

Kewl...

Lovely. An accurized AR-15 made by Remington. It hardly gets better than that.

619 darthstar  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:38:22am

re: #613 Walter L. Newton

Just got back from the monthly VFW breakfast... bought 6 raffle tickets for this...

[Link: www.remington.com...]

Kewl...

That'll look great over your shoulder at the next town hall meeting.
/

620 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:40:31am

re: #619 darthstar

That'll look great over your shoulder at the next town hall meeting.
/

Don't "belong" to any Tea Party chapter, don't attend town hall meetings... but looking over shoulders is always a good idea.

621 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:41:14am

re: #616 darthstar

I think the impeachment of President Obama will be entertaining as hell, as people like the ever malleable McCain say, "Well, there's a lot of anger in this country already, and I don't want Sarah Palin to be mad at me."

There won't be an impeachment. Some teabaggers will suggest it, but then John Boehner will pour cold water on the idea by reminding everyone that they're nothing to charge Obama with. The teabaggers will proceeds to scream and froth for a week or two and then they'll fall into line.

622 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:42:16am

re: #621 Dark_Falcon

There won't be an impeachment. Some teabaggers will suggest it, but then John Boehner will pour cold water on the idea by reminding everyone that they're nothing to charge Obama with. The teabaggers will proceeds to scream and froth for a week or two and then they'll fall into line.

And renew the attack on RINO Boehner.

623 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:42:39am

re: #619 darthstar

That'll look great over your shoulder at the next town hall meeting.
/

... and besides, I don't need the rifle, I have 6 here, and a number of handy dandy hand guns of the do major damage type. Bought the raffle tickets to help support the local VFW.

If I win the rifle, I would probably give it to some down and out, needy, drug addicted militia person./

624 Locker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:42:40am

re: #613 Walter L. Newton

Just got back from the monthly VFW breakfast... bought 6 raffle tickets for this...

[Link: www.remington.com...]

Kewl...

Hey that's a nice raffle prize. How much were the tickets? I haven't been to the post for a while but I did just re-up my American Legion membership and started getting the mag again.

Thank you for your service or support.

625 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:43:35am

re: #624 Locker

Hey that's a nice raffle prize. How much were the tickets? I haven't been to the post for a while but I did just re-up my American Legion membership and started getting the mag again.

Thank you for your service or support.

Six for five dollars.

626 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:44:48am

re: #622 Decatur Deb

And renew the attack on RINO Boehner.

Well if Nancy Pelosi can become a DINO to left wing partisans than surely Boehner can play the same role on the right. I don't like the guy politically at all but I gotta think he wouldn't be so stupid to support impeach Obama since tehre is nothing to impeach him over and it will make the Republicans look like petty assholes and there would be a backlash at the polls.

627 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:45:26am

re: #622 Decatur Deb

And renew the attack on RINO Boehner.

Nah. He'll make some SoCon gesture to placate them. Even the TeaParty crowd knows that there are not enough votes in the Senate to impeach Obama unless you had a literal smoking gun. Impeachment is a fairly hollow threat, and even Glenn Beck doesn't talk about it much if at all.

628 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:46:21am

re: #623 Walter L. Newton

... and besides, I don't need the rifle, I have 6 here, and a number of handy dandy hand guns of the do major damage type. Bought the raffle tickets to help support the local VFW.

If I win the rifle, I would probably give it to some down and out, needy, drug addicted militia person./


You already have my address!!!
/

629 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:46:37am

re: #627 Dark_Falcon

Nah. He'll make some SoCon gesture to placate them. Even the TeaParty crowd knows that there are not enough votes in the Senate to impeach Obama unless you had a literal smoking gun. Impeachment is a fairly hollow threat, and even Glenn Beck doesn't talk about it much if at all.

As it should be. Impeaching Obama makes about as much sense as charging him with grand theft auto.

630 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:47:17am

re: #626 HappyWarrior

re: #627 Dark_Falcon

All true, but unless Rep. Boehner froths at the mouth and chews the carpet, he's not pure enough for some block of them.

631 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:47:24am

re: #622 Decatur Deb

You said Boehner.

632 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:47:33am

Instapundit blames Obama for the rising anti-Muslim sentiment on the right....

It occurs to me that right after 9/11 we saw the beginning anti-mosque demonstrations but those quickly dissipated. Why? Probably because right after this march, we had Bush’s WTC bullhorn speech and people started to feel confident that Bush would protect the country. With less confidence in Obama, are they resorting to self-help? It’s a long way from bacon to beheadings, of course, but a sense that the powers-that-be can’t be trusted to protect the country is dangerous and destabilizing.


Lol

633 darthstar  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:48:17am

re: #621 Dark_Falcon

There won't be an impeachment. Some teabaggers will suggest it, but then John Boehner will pour cold water on the idea by reminding everyone that they're nothing to charge Obama with. The teabaggers will proceeds to scream and froth for a week or two and then they'll fall into line.

You're assuming Boehner has a soul. But I do think he'll put the breaks on any impeachment - after it's had a few months to fester and get attention...then he can make himself look important by stopping it so they can focus on killing Obama's policies and shutting down government.

634 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:49:13am

re: #630 Decatur Deb

re: #627 Dark_Falcon

All true, but unless Rep. Boehner froths at the mouth and chews the carpet, he's not pure enough for some block of them.

True, but that's always true for any party (cue the MBF). The key is to keep such people from being too alienated while you get on with actually getting things done.

635 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:49:45am

Oh right, that reminds me, I still have to fill out my absentee ballot. :C

636 Lidane  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:50:04am

re: #629 McSpiff

As it should be. Impeaching Obama makes about as much sense as charging him with grand theft auto.

The only people seriously talking about impeachment are the nirther morans who are convinced he's in office illegally.

Impeachment would be a disaster of Michael Bay proportions for the GOP. They'd get curbstomped in 2012 if they managed to gain a majority now, then spent the next two years wasting everyone's time with investigations and impeachment hearings.

637 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:50:20am

re: #632 Killgore Trout

Instapundit blames Obama for the rising anti-Muslim sentiment on the right...


Lol

The ODS of Instapundit hits Stage 4.

638 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:50:50am

re: #636 Lidane

The only people seriously talking about impeachment are the nirther morans who are convinced he's in office illegally.

Impeachment would be a disaster of Michael Bay proportions for the GOP. They'd get curbstomped in 2012 if they managed to gain a majority now, then spent the next two years wasting everyone's time with investigations and impeachment hearings.

You really like the "moran" meme, eh?
:)

639 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:51:19am

re: #636 Lidane

The only people seriously talking about impeachment are the nirther morans who are convinced he's in office illegally.

Impeachment would be a disaster of Michael Bay proportions for the GOP. They'd get curbstomped in 2012 if they managed to gain a majority now, then spent the next two years wasting everyone's time with investigations and impeachment hearings.

And that's why Boehner will throw cold water on the idea.

640 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:51:42am

re: #634 Dark_Falcon

True, but that's always true for any party (cue the MBF). The key is to keep such people from being too alienated while you get on with actually getting things done.

Less so at the moment for the Dems. We have no standards. Two weeks after, I'm still working through my vote for Bobby Bright. I feel so dirty.

641 Lidane  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:51:51am

re: #638 Varek Raith

You really like the "moran" meme, eh?
:)

If the shoe fits... ;)

642 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:54:20am

re: #639 Dark_Falcon

And that's why Boehner will throw cold water on the idea.

I'm still hoping there's no one stupid enough in the GOP leadership/senate to seriously suggest it. That would raise my stock in the GOP quite a bit actually.

What can I say? I'm a sucker for punishment.

643 Lidane  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:54:31am

re: #639 Dark_Falcon

And that's why Boehner will throw cold water on the idea.

Know what else would be a disaster? Shutting down the government. If Boehner actually pulls that trigger, he can kiss 2012 goodbye as well.

644 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:56:33am

re: #643 Lidane

Know what else would be a disaster? Shutting down the government. If Boehner actually pulls that trigger, he can kiss 2012 goodbye as well.

Even Newt didn't try it when we had troops in the shit.

645 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:58:35am

re: #643 Lidane

Know what else would be a disaster? Shutting down the government. If Boehner actually pulls that trigger, he can kiss 2012 goodbye as well.

That would depend on the circumstances in which it happened. But it is something to be avoided, to be sure. The only way in which he could let that happen would be if he'd properly set things up so that Obama would be blamed for the confrontation. Even that is unlikely to work. Congress is held in very low regard by the public and that leaves it at a disadvantage in confrontations with the president.

646 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:01:51am

re: #644 Decatur Deb

Even Newt didn't try it when we had troops in the shit.

iirc,, military spending is never included in a "gov't shutdown", nor are other "essential services"

I could be wrong, and don't have the google-fu skills. It's just something that lit up in my cluttered mind when you mentioned the "troops"

647 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:02:28am

re: #632 Killgore Trout

Instapundit blames Obama for the rising anti-Muslim sentiment on the right...


Lol

But but it's liberals who are emotion driven and conservatives who are driven by logic! Anyhow, this is such nonsense by AP, if Obama's done such a bad job of protecting the country then why have we not had any attacks on the country the size of 9-11 or Oklahoma City? I am not suggesting that those were the fault of the Bush and Clinton administration but I am saying that if Obama has not had an attack like that than his administration must be doing pretty damn good job keeping the country safe and if these people need Bush on a bullhorn to feel safe than that's their problem really.

648 darthstar  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:03:39am

re: #636 Lidane


Impeachment would be a disaster of Michael Bay proportions for the GOP. They'd get curbstomped in 2012 if they managed to gain a majority now, then spent the next two years wasting everyone's time with investigations and impeachment hearings.

They love investigations and hearings. Americans have very short memories (see: Republican chances of winning House in 2010), and the GOP knows this. They'll steamroll the Democrats for eighteen months and then turn bi-partisan after the primaries as they try to "bring the country together" or some other such bullshit in September 2012. And enough Americans will buy it because it's what they want to believe.

The black guy failed to turn around eight years of shit in two. How much time are we supposed to wait? It's our recovery and we want it now!
Pathetic...we deserve the shit the Tea Party and the GOP wants to feed us.

649 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:04:50am

re: #647 HappyWarrior

Because we're all still living in a climate of fear (i.e. terror) that means the terrorists don't need to perpetrate another attack because it's done its job?

650 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:05:55am

re: #646 sattv4u2

iirc,, military spending is never included in a "gov't shutdown", nor are other "essential services"

I could be wrong, and don't have the google-fu skills. It's just something that lit up in my cluttered mind when you mentioned the "troops"

The essential services continue, but are severely redefined. All TDY travel, for instance, is curtailed and approved at higher than normal levels. It took about as long to define the last shutdown as it lasted. We also have tens of thousands of non-DoD people scattered around the world, and they go into limbo.

651 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:07:05am

re: #648 darthstar

That's crap. Running the US down like that will get you on my bad side real fast.

652 Lidane  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:07:22am

re: #645 Dark_Falcon

That would depend on the circumstances in which it happened. But it is something to be avoided, to be sure. The only way in which he could let that happen would be if he'd properly set things up so that Obama would be blamed for the confrontation. Even that is unlikely to work. Congress is held in very low regard by the public and that leaves it at a disadvantage in confrontations with the president.

I had a diary a few days ago about Steve King already trying to pin Obama for any government shutdown that happens. No way will that work. Gingrich tried to blame Clinton for it when he pulled the same stunt in the 90's, and the Republicans ended up being blamed for it, with Clinton winning a second term.

I'm not so sure that people will be all that receptive to a government shutdown regardless of the circumstances. With all the uncertainty and anxiety that people are having, particularly about jobs, their mortgages, the banks, and all that, any shutdown by the Republicans would easily be seen as nothing more than a temper tantrum instead of getting anything done.

653 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:09:26am

re: #650 Decatur Deb

The essential services continue, but are severely redefined. All TDY travel, for instance, is curtailed and approved at higher than normal levels. It took about as long to define the last shutdown as it lasted. We also have tens of thousands of non-DoD people scattered around the world, and they go into limbo.

And no TDY means I'm out of business as long as the shutdown lasts. So I'm not going to support any shutdowns, no matter how big the potential upside.

654 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:10:32am

re: #649 laZardo

Because we're all still living in a climate of fear (i.e. terror) that means the terrorists don't need to perpetrate another attack because it's done its job?

The epidemic of fear is deliberately induced here at home. We grew up knowing we were 20 minutes away from an incoming ICBM. Why the hell should I be afraid of some clown with a trunk full of firecrackers? The drunken Bubba down the street with a pick-up truck is an infinitely greater threat.

655 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:11:22am

re: #653 Dark_Falcon

And no TDY means I'm out of business as long as the shutdown lasts. So I'm not going to support any shutdowns, no matter how big the potential upside.

I don't either (support a shut down)

I was just pointing out that the military, especially those engaged in an active operation is exempted

656 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:12:13am

re: #652 Lidane

I had a diary a few days ago about Steve King already trying to pin Obama for any government shutdown that happens. No way will that work. Gingrich tried to blame Clinton for it when he pulled the same stunt in the 90's, and the Republicans ended up being blamed for it, with Clinton winning a second term.

I'm not so sure that people will be all that receptive to a government shutdown regardless of the circumstances. With all the uncertainty and anxiety that people are having, particularly about jobs, their mortgages, the banks, and all that, any shutdown by the Republicans would easily be seen as nothing more than a temper tantrum instead of getting anything done.

Quite Concur. Republicans may stall, but in the end the budget will pass. They just don't have a choice. Much of the Tea Party momentum will fade when they see how constrained Congress really is. They can't "take our country back" from the budget process. Trying to fight it would only precipitate a disaster.

657 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:12:23am

re: #649 laZardo

Because we're all still living in a climate of fear (i.e. terror) that means the terrorists don't need to perpetrate another attack because it's done its job?


Well I think that would be the case regardless of who was president. I just remember during the presidential campaign the Republicans acted like we'd be totally unsafe under Obama and honestly I feel just as safe as I did under Bush and Clinton. People who lack confidence in Obama's ability to protect the country I feel do so because they don't like Obama.

658 darthstar  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:12:37am

re: #651 Dark_Falcon

That's crap. Running the US down like that will get you on my bad side real fast.

I'm not running the US down. I'm merely pointing out that people have short memories and are easily manipulated. We survived eight years of Bush, we can survive having assholes like Joe Miller, Rand Paul, and Sharron Angle being our Senators...sure, more people will suffer if they have their way and help sell us out even more to big business in the name of smaller government, but only for a decade or two, then we'll turn things around again...we always do.

659 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:13:44am

re: #655 sattv4u2

I don't either (support a shut down)

I was just pointing out that the military, especially those engaged in an active operation is exempted.

And I thank you for that. It's just that your post made it clear to me that I cannot support any shutdown based on my current job. I may get called a RINO for that, but so be it. Paying the bills comes first, politics afterwads.

660 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:16:10am

re: #658 darthstar

I'm not running the US down. I'm merely pointing out that people have short memories and are easily manipulated. We survived eight years of Bush, we can survive having assholes like Joe Miller, Rand Paul, and Sharron Angle being our Senators...sure, more people will suffer if they have their way and help sell us out even more to big business in the name of smaller government, but only for a decade or two, then we'll turn things around again...we always do.

I think you're wrong about Bush and wrong about the GOP on economic matters. But I'm going to leave things at that. That's just one of those places where we don't see eye-to-eye.

661 lostlakehiker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:16:20am

re: #466 palomino

The mentality creates the reality.

Overall I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm telling you that the situation you describe is slowly but surely on its way out. This may not be much consolation for now, especially if you've been passed up due to sexism. But the numbers don't lie--at every level, from HS to professional schools, females are outperforming and out-graduating males, often by a wide margin. Things for your daughter's generation will be much better, just as the situation for this generation is better than our parent's generation.

Overall, I'm not disagreeing with you. Things for my daughters are better than they were in my generation, and the changes are hardly over. On the other hand, it's not going to flip to a world in which women prevail across the board on sheer superior merit.

It is simply not the case that women are better than men at every level in every way by every work-related or career related measure.

Yes, women graduate in greater numbers from high school and college. Yes, women get better grades. On the other hand, women do not get higher scores on the SAT. That's a number too, and it doesn't lie either.
It's not the only number that tells a more nuanced story.

Profession by profession, the picture pixelates and fragments. In this domain, women make great strides, in that domain, men outperform (dare I say it when the polarity is in the politically incorrect direction) women.

The picture is mixed, which is what any reasonable person would expect, considering the diversity in both men and women and the fact that there are differences between the two.

662 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:17:27am

re: #655 sattv4u2

I don't either (support a shut down)

I was just pointing out that the military, especially those engaged in an active operation is exempted

There's more to the warfight than the uniformed soldiers. I was something called an "Emergency-Essential Civilian" (BDU's, kevlar, nothing to shoot with).
The shut-down screws things up.

663 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:19:40am

A shutdown government is indeed a smaller government. Seems like it fits nicely with the TP agenda.

664 BryanS  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:19:58am

re: #656 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. Republicans may stall, but in the end the budget will pass. They just don't have a choice. Much of the Tea Party momentum will fade when they see how constrained Congress really is. They can't "take our country back" from the budget process. Trying to fight it would only precipitate a disaster.

Anyone who thinks the budget situation can change without addressing entitlement costs is deluding themselves.

665 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:21:13am

re: #649 laZardo

Because we're all still living in a climate of fear (i.e. terror) that means the terrorists don't need to perpetrate another attack because it's done its job?

I sometimes wonder if I am living in an alternative universe then other Americans.
I'm not afraid of a terrorist attack, it is something that just does not cross my mind or keep me up at night.
I worry more about my missing kitty and having an accident today while driving around and if my son will be able to make it as an adult or if I've fucked his life up and how long it will be before we have an earthquake that will shake my home off of his foundation.

I have no idea how other folks have any room in their brain or energy left to worry about a terrorists. You might as well worry about a plane falling out of the sky or a satellite hitting your house.

666 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:21:41am

re: #659 Dark_Falcon

And I thank you for that. It's just that your post made it clear to me that I cannot support any shutdown based on my current job. I may get called a RINO for that, but so be it. Paying the bills comes first, politics afterwads.

"All politics is local"!!

100% agree with you

667 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:22:20am

The thing that pisses me off is when Republicans and conservatives act like government employees don't have real jobs. I saw here a few days ago someone post a link to Pat Sajak asking if government employees should have the right to vote. I mean damn maybe I am a tad biased because my mom has worked for the government for nearly 30 years now but she is one of the hardest workers I've met in my life. As was my grandfather who worked for the government as well. And by the way to idiots like Sajak the troops that you claim to revere are technically government employees too. I mean the GOP's anti government rhetoric seems to me not to be based in the belief government is inefficient which would be something I could disagree with but reasonably but with the idea that government and its employees are bad.

668 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:23:02am

re: #664 BryanS

Anyone who thinks the budget situation can change without addressing entitlement costs is deluding themselves.

or military spending...

669 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:23:44am

re: #665 webevintage

I sometimes wonder if I am living in an alternative universe then other Americans.
I'm not afraid of a terrorist attack, it is something that just does not cross my mind or keep me up at night.
I worry more about my missing kitty and having an accident today while driving around and if my son will be able to make it as an adult or if I've fucked his life up and how long it will be before we have an earthquake that will shake my home off of his foundation.

I have no idea how other folks have any room in their brain or energy left to worry about a terrorists. You might as well worry about a plane falling out of the sky or a satellite hitting your house.

There are/will be other attacks, either in the US or elsewhere. I take note, I'm concerned with law enforcement having the correct skills and equipment.

As for staying awake nights...the Israelis I know don't do that, for the most part, and my doing it would be really silly.

670 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:23:52am

re: #665 webevintage

I cope with it by accepting that we're all gonna royally fuck ourselves over this generation or the next. Nothing to be afraid of if you know you can't do anything about it, just live it day by day.

671 darthstar  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:23:57am

re: #660 Dark_Falcon

I think you're wrong about Bush and wrong about the GOP on economic matters. But I'm going to leave things at that. That's just one of those places where we don't see eye-to-eye.

Yep...we do disagree on Bush and the economy...except that it's not as healthy as it could be...on that I think we agree.

I do think that people who vote for people like Angle, Miller, etc. deserve to suffer personally just enough so that they can see the error of their ways. Let's keep our crazy people on the streets shouting incoherently...and not send them to Washington to represent us to the world.

672 BryanS  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:24:01am

re: #665 webevintage

I sometimes wonder if I am living in an alternative universe then other Americans.
I'm not afraid of a terrorist attack, it is something that just does not cross my mind or keep me up at night.
I worry more about my missing kitty and having an accident today while driving around and if my son will be able to make it as an adult or if I've fucked his life up and how long it will be before we have an earthquake that will shake my home off of his foundation.

I have no idea how other folks have any room in their brain or energy left to worry about a terrorists. You might as well worry about a plane falling out of the sky or a satellite hitting your house.


Ohh great. And I just put away my tinfoil hat :). The risk of dying when getting into your car each day is higher than terrorism. I think its the reaction to terrorism that is actually the true cost/damage.

673 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:24:24am

re: #664 BryanS

Anyone who thinks the budget situation can change without addressing entitlement costs is deluding themselves.

Quite Concur.

674 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:24:48am

Good morning, sunshines!

675 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:24:58am

re: #667 HappyWarrior

The thing that pisses me off is when Republicans and conservatives act like government employees don't have real jobs. I saw here a few days ago someone post a link to Pat Sajak asking if government employees should have the right to vote. I mean damn maybe I am a tad biased because my mom has worked for the government for nearly 30 years now but she is one of the hardest workers I've met in my life. As was my grandfather who worked for the government as well. And by the way to idiots like Sajak the troops that you claim to revere are technically government employees too. I mean the GOP's anti government rhetoric seems to me not to be based in the belief government is inefficient which would be something I could disagree with but reasonably but with the idea that government and its employees are bad.

Its the same crap the GOP keeps pulling... define an 'other', blame the problem on them...

The banks weren't at fault for the housing crises, minorities were!

Big Business hasn't shafted America out of a manufacturing sector, unions have!

The federal debt isn't huge because of politicians pork... its because of those lazy federal workers!

676 darthstar  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:26:18am

re: #659 Dark_Falcon

And I thank you for that. It's just that your post made it clear to me that I cannot support any shutdown based on my current job. I may get called a RINO for that, but so be it. Paying the bills comes first, politics afterwads.

The people calling for a shut-down, or hinting that they'd do it, don't care about you. They'll screw you over and then use you as an example of who they're trying to protect.

677 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:27:47am

re: #675 McSpiff

Its the same crap the GOP keeps pulling... define an 'other', blame the problem on them...

The banks weren't at fault for the housing crises, minorities were!

Big Business hasn't shafted America out of a manufacturing sector, unions have!

The federal debt isn't huge because of politicians pork... its because of those lazy federal workers!

Exactly, it just seems to me that a lot of GOP rhetoric is based in scapegoating. A student handing out buttons for the Republican running against the Democrat here was blaming Pelosi for all the country's troubles and he didn't say one word about his actual candidate. I don't think government is the solution to everything but I don't feel the other way around either. We need smart government not big or small government.

678 elizajane  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:28:02am

re: #666 sattv4u2

"All politics is local"!!

100% agree with you

All politics may be local but all political financing has become national (even international?) which complicates that picture.

679 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:28:17am

re: #667 HappyWarrior

It irks me too. My family worked for the government pretty much all my life. My father died in the line of duty. Federal employees are serving their country.

680 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:29:10am

re: #667 HappyWarrior

The thing that pisses me off is when Republicans and conservatives act like government employees don't have real jobs. I saw here a few days ago someone post a link to Pat Sajak asking if government employees should have the right to vote. I mean damn maybe I am a tad biased because my mom has worked for the government for nearly 30 years now but she is one of the hardest workers I've met in my life. As was my grandfather who worked for the government as well. And by the way to idiots like Sajak the troops that you claim to revere are technically government employees too. I mean the GOP's anti government rhetoric seems to me not to be based in the belief government is inefficient which would be something I could disagree with but reasonably but with the idea that government and its employees are bad.

I worked for state gov't, and Sajak's piece was idiocy.

A friend of mine works for the LSU Hospitals System (charity hospital network in La.) and after Katrina, the government employees who were stuck at big charity in NOLA put together the photos and videos they took of their experience in the hospital for 5 days after the generators went out, the bottom floors flooded, the bathrooms quit working and the food ran out.

I saw that presentation once, and it brought tears to my eyes, as to what those employees lived through, trying to keep those critically ill patients comfortable and alive, and doing it all in good spirits (you see the employees smiling at the camera - smiling!) - and I'm trying to get hold of it to post it here, as an example of the type of people who are the dreaded "deadhead government employees".

681 BryanS  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:29:16am

re: #668 webevintage

or military spending...

Yes, but in not too much time, even that will pale in comparison to entitlements. Currently more than half already is entitlements.

Image: File:U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2007.png

Military is 23% of budget. Social security is 20%, medicare 19%, and other mandatory--other entitlement programs--is 17%.

The discretionary budget is only 12% of the budget.

682 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:31:02am

re: #679 Killgore Trout

It irks me too. My family worked for the government pretty much all my life. My father died in the line of duty. Federal employees are serving their country.

It sucks.
Public service has become a dirty word.
and jobs within the public sector are still jobs that pay wages. Wages that are then sent out into the economy that allow other Americans to have jobs from which they get wages.

683 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:31:33am

re: #678 elizajane

All politics may be local but all political financing has become national (even international?) which complicates that picture.

Totally put of the range of what we were discussiong

But thanks anyway!

684 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:32:26am

The Little green football prayer list
On this day in History..

On Oct. 17, 1931, mobster Al Capone was convicted of income tax evasion and sentenced to 11 years in prison. He was released in 1939

Let us pray
FVB: We pray for comfort and healing for Veggie after his mother passed this last week.
Hold her in your tender mercies
Sattv4u2: Prayers go out for Satt’s Mother who is ill and required a Transfusion and
Is being transferred to a Boston Hospital.
AlbuSteve: Lord give Speedy healing and strength to Steve.
Buck: Father has a tumor and has little time left.. Comfort his family and welcome him in your arms.
Thanos: Grant healing and strength to our dear friend
Obdicut: My friend Pam, who's ovarian cancer has returned. She's going into chemo again. And she believes in the power of prayer.

Jadespring: Dear Lord bring healing to a Sister.. Bring grace and strength to the Family.
We pray for your tender mercies

Ausador: Parents
Irenicum: Lord heal this family and bring comfort to them..
Guanxi88: Best wishes and lizard mojo to my wife's best friend. her father committed suicide not two weeks after her mother succumbed to cancer.
Reine: Health and Family.. Lord we ask you grant Reine’s Daughter a Special blessing..Look after her and grant grace.
gregb - 4 year old son who suffered a head injury last Friday and spent the
weekend in the ICU with some lingering effects all week.Jadespring: Our prayers go out to your sister…May she be healed
Beekiller: Sister has been diagnosed with Cancer…We pray for a speedy recovery
Prairiefire: Health for Family and friends
FBV: We pray for his Mother to be cured of cancer
Mcspiff: if you could add my uncle to the list. He went in for surgery today and it didn't go so well. Extra organs had to come out, etc. Still just hearing bits and pieces now. But any prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Alouette’ Dear Father..His name in Hebrew is Pinhas ben Rivka. , and he is in congestive heart failure. He is 91 years old, and a WW2 Pacific vet.
Reloadingisnotahobby: Could you add my parents?
They're in their 80's and slipping in to ALZ...Simultaneously
LaZardo: His dad is working in Asia all alone..Comfort and give him strength
HoosierHoops: Bring peace and strength to Joe and his family
Thank you Lord..
Amen

685 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:33:07am

re: #682 webevintage

It sucks.
Public service has become a dirty word.
and jobs within the public sector are still jobs that pay wages. Wages that are then sent out into the economy that allow other Americans to have jobs from which they get wages.

NO! Trickle down only works when its mega corps!

686 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:34:11am

re: #679 Killgore Trout

It irks me too. My family worked for the government pretty much all my life. My father died in the line of duty. Federal employees are serving their country.

I bet. I seriously want to smack candidates who say their opponent has never had a real job because they've worked for the government for their career. It's like guess what shithead, people who work for the government work for the government because they want to serve their country. I am tired of these people demonizing public servants.

687 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:35:33am

re: #680 reine.de.tout

I worked for state gov't, and Sajak's piece was idiocy.

Can you buy a clue, Pat?

688 jaunte  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:37:37am

re: #686 HappyWarrior

I bet. I seriously want to smack candidates who say their opponent has never had a real job because they've worked for the government for their career.


I feel the same about candidates who try to criticize their opponents for being 'policy wonks'. That would suggest they know the details of their job, so what's the problem with that?

689 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:40:17am

re: #672 BryanS

Ohh great. And I just put away my tinfoil hat :). The risk of dying when getting into your car each day is higher than terrorism. I think its the reaction to terrorism that is actually the true cost/damage.

Exactly. We have raised a generation to believe that any risk is unacceptable rather than understanding that there is no reward without some risk. Living in a free society is the reward for taking on the risk of being attacked by terrorists. I believe it's worth it.

690 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:40:23am

re: #686 HappyWarrior

I bet. I seriously want to smack candidates who say their opponent has never had a real job because they've worked for the government for their career. It's like guess what shithead, people who work for the government work for the government because they want to serve their country. I am tired of these people demonizing public servants.

More often than not, they're talking about them being a politician their entire career, not a gov't service employee

691 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:40:29am

re: #684 HoosierHoops

AlbuSteve checked in last week. He's had more complications and is going in for more surgery. Big bummer.

692 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:40:44am

re: #691 Killgore Trout

AlbuSteve checked in last week. He's had more complications and is going in for more surgery. Big bummer.

damn!

693 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:40:44am

re: #688 jaunte

I feel the same about candidates who try to criticize their opponents for being 'policy wonks'. That would suggest they know the details of their job, so what's the problem with that?

because knowing fuckall about anything makes you an elitist!

694 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:41:13am

re: #691 Killgore Trout

AlbuSteve checked in last week. He's had more complications and is going in for more surgery. Big bummer.

crap! Hope he gets through this okay.

695 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:41:20am

re: #688 jaunte

I feel the same about candidates who try to criticize their opponents for being 'policy wonks'. That would suggest they know the details of their job, so what's the problem with that?

Because they don't have the same gut instincts developed over the decades of running a used car lot. Which are clearly much more relevant to the job, along with their ability to just...you know, chill out, have a beer and shoot the shit with Joe Q Public.

696 jaunte  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:42:10am

re: #695 McSpiff

Flannelshirtery!

697 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:42:20am

Anyone read about a group of Palestinian kids that tried to throw stones at moving traffic?

Because I just found the /b/ thread of it.

698 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:42:24am

re: #695 McSpiff

Because they don't have the same gut instincts developed over the decades of running a used car lot. Which are clearly much more relevant to the job, along with their ability to just...you know, chill out, have a beer and shoot the shit with Joe Q Public.

When people use "Which candidate would you rather have a beer with" as a criteria for selecting a presidential candidate, we're all in trouble.

699 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:43:02am

re: #691 Killgore Trout

AlbuSteve checked in last week. He's had more complications and is going in for more surgery. Big bummer.

:(

700 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:43:29am

re: #690 sattv4u2

More often than not, they're talking about them being a politician their entire career, not a gov't service employee

True, but when I see Obama mocked for being a community organizer I just shake my head some.

701 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:44:29am

re: #697 laZardo

Anyone read about a group of Palestinian kids that tried to throw stones at moving traffic?

Because I just found the /b/ thread of it.

Yeah, it was one of the featured pages here on LGF about 2 weeks ago.

702 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:44:45am

re: #680 reine.de.tout

I worked for state gov't, and Sajak's piece was idiocy.

A friend of mine works for the LSU Hospitals System (charity hospital network in La.) and after Katrina, the government employees who were stuck at big charity in NOLA put together the photos and videos they took of their experience in the hospital for 5 days after the generators went out, the bottom floors flooded, the bathrooms quit working and the food ran out.

I saw that presentation once, and it brought tears to my eyes, as to what those employees lived through, trying to keep those critically ill patients comfortable and alive, and doing it all in good spirits (you see the employees smiling at the camera - smiling!) - and I'm trying to get hold of it to post it here, as an example of the type of people who are the dreaded "deadhead government employees".

Can't find the video, but I did find some photos.

In the right side here, about halfway down, click on the "Five years after Katrina & Rita" and there is a slide show. Government employees in action.
I'm going to put up a page and upload some of the photos I grabbed.

703 What, me worry?  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:45:15am

re: #674 SanFranciscoZionist

Good morning, sunshines!

For you.

Glibby gloop gloopy, nibby nabby nooby, la la la, lo lo.

(Thinking about last night's song extravaganza.)

704 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:45:28am

re: #688 jaunte

I feel the same about candidates who try to criticize their opponents for being 'policy wonks'. That would suggest they know the details of their job, so what's the problem with that?

I'll raise you another buzzword that I hate: "Elitist." Especially when the candidate is criticized for being Ivy League educated. I mean those are some of the best colleges in the country right there. Friend of mine put it to me this way once, if I want a surgeon I want someone who is at the best at what does not someone I can relate to.

705 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:46:00am

re: #684 HoosierHoops

Thanks for this. I'm happy to say that you can remove my sister from the list. They finally figured out what has been going on and she's doing heaps better. She's back to being the person she was before. :D

On the bad news front though. Might want to change the prayer for FBV. He was here yesterday and said his Mom passed away. :(

706 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:46:43am

re: #697 laZardo

Anyone read about a group of Palestinian kids that tried to throw stones at moving traffic?

Because I just found the /b/ thread of it.

What's a /b/ thread?

707 jaunte  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:47:58am

OT:
I find this Instapundit screenshot a little disquieting, when considering subject matter proximity.
Image: Screenshot2010-10-17at114032AM.png

708 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:48:44am

re: #701 Killgore Trout

Oh right.

That explains why the posts are all dated the 8th.

709 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:49:00am

re: #700 HappyWarrior

True, but when I see Obama mocked for being a community organizer I just shake my head some.

Well, it is overblown. But it is still true to say that Obama's life has given him nothing to understand how businesses and the economy work. He's not an ogre, but he knows very little about economics.

710 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:49:12am

re: #706 SanFranciscoZionist

What's a /b/ thread?

You don't want to know.

:3

711 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:50:10am

How early is too early to phone someone on a Sunday morning?

712 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:51:14am

re: #709 Dark_Falcon

Well, it is overblown. But it is still true to say that Obama's life has given him nothing to understand how businesses and the economy work. He's not an ogre, but he knows very little about economics.

Well my problem was belittling the profession. And I think the flip side could be true that these candidates who run with no experience in government have little to no understanding how the government works.

713 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:51:36am

re: #711 SanFranciscoZionist

How early is too early to phone someone on a Sunday morning?

I generally wait til after 11 a.m. their time

714 darthstar  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:52:23am

re: #711 SanFranciscoZionist

How early is too early to phone someone on a Sunday morning?

Any time after 9am should be good.

715 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:52:55am

re: #712 HappyWarrior

Well my problem was belittling the profession. And I think the flip side could be true that these candidates who run with no experience in government have little to no understanding how the government works.

True, but it's easier to find advisers who know how government works.

716 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:54:05am

re: #706 SanFranciscoZionist

What's a /b/ thread?

A thread that wasn't smart enough to get an/a/?? on the test?

717 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:57:06am

re: #715 Dark_Falcon

True, but it's easier to find advisers who know how government works.

And it's easy to find advisors who know how economics works.

It's easy to find advisors who know how anything works.

The key for me whether it's Obama or any other pol is do they have the capability of recognizing where their weaknesses lie (no one is an expert on everything) and look for people to fill the holes in those weaknesses and do they have the intellectual capability to process whatever advice they get and integrate it into the 'whole' of whatever they are doing.

718 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:57:34am

re: #706 SanFranciscoZionist

What's a /b/ thread?

You really, really, really, really don't want to see one.

Imagine a classroom full of all of the most perverse, cruel, and deranged students you ever had. Imagine some of them are highly adept hackers.

It's the 'bored' section of 4chan. They do a little good. They do a lot of bad.

719 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:57:37am

re: #715 Dark_Falcon

True, but it's easier to find advisers who know how government works.

True, I agree with that. I just think some of these congressional candidates are running on nothing but hot air really.

720 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:58:27am

re: #717 Jadespring

And it's easy to find advisors who know how economics works.

It's easy to find advisors who know how anything works.

The key for me whether it's Obama or any other pol is do they have the capability of recognizing where their weaknesses lie (no one is an expert on everything) and look for people to fill the holes in those weaknesses and do they have the intellectual capability to process whatever advice they get and integrate it into the 'whole' of whatever they are doing.

Well said, I like that way of looking at things.

721 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:58:33am

re: #717 Jadespring

And it's easy to find advisors who know how economics works.

It's easy to find advisors who know how anything works.

The key for me whether it's Obama or any other pol is do they have the capability of recognizing where their weaknesses lie (no one is an expert on everything) and look for people to fill the holes in those weaknesses and do they have the intellectual capability to process whatever advice they get and integrate it into the 'whole' of whatever they are doing.

Where we get in trouble is when the person in charge is either not smart enough to know when they're being led astray (Bush) or so smart that they become arrogant enough to think they know better than everyone else. Carter comes to mind on that score. Neither is desirable.

722 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:59:28am

re: #718 Obdicut

You really, really, really, really don't want to see one.

Imagine a classroom full of all of the most perverse, cruel, and deranged students you ever had. Imagine some of them are highly adept hackers.

It's the 'bored' section of 4chan. They do a little good. They do a lot of bad.

Ahh. 4chan. My husband went and looked at 4chan the other day, just because he'd heard so many tales.

723 prairiefire  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:59:43am

Cute baby animal photo for SFZ:[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

724 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:59:53am

re: #718 Obdicut

You really, really, really, really don't want to see one.

Imagine a classroom full of all of the most perverse, cruel, and deranged students you ever had. Imagine some of them are highly adept hackers.

It's the 'bored' section of 4chan. They do a little good. They do a lot of bad.

And I'm still laughing at all the Photoshops.

725 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:00:19am

re: #703 marjoriemoon

For you.


[Video]Glibby gloop gloopy, nibby nabby nooby, la la la, lo lo.

(Thinking about last night's song extravaganza.)

Hey Marj..you know despite the fact that the LGF guild never got off the ground, the wife has become a dedicated player. It's become our nightly ritual when she gets home from work.

726 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:00:35am

re: #721 PT Barnum

Where we get in trouble is when the person in charge is either not smart enough to know when they're being led astray (Bush) or so smart that they become arrogant enough to think they know better than everyone else. Carter comes to mind on that score. Neither is desirable.

Yes there is that too. Those traits aren't desirable in any sort of leadership position whether it's politics or business or whatever.

727 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:01:07am

re: #719 HappyWarrior

True, I agree with that. I just think some of these congressional candidates are running on nothing but hot air really.

True, and it is a problem. Integrating them into Congress is going to be a big problem from John Boehner.

728 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:01:41am

re: #723 prairiefire

Cute baby animal photo for SFZ:[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

What a munchkin!

Reposting from yesteday, speaking of babies, my niece (seven months, not nine, I miscounted) managed to break her teeny arm. I am so freaked out, but being in California, and she in TN, am stuck just writing to her mom. DAMNIT!

729 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:02:12am

re: #723 prairiefire

Cute baby animal photo for SFZ:[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

The chihuaua in the one photo is eying the mastiff like "I hope someone told him I'm not stuffed. I am NOT a chewtoy."

730 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:03:09am

re: #728 SanFranciscoZionist

What a munchkin!

Reposting from yesteday, speaking of babies, my niece (seven months, not nine, I miscounted) managed to break her teeny arm. I am so freaked out, but being in California, and she in TN, am stuck just writing to her mom. DAMNIT!

That would suck..how'd she manage to break her arm? Is she walking already?

731 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:03:32am

re: #728 SanFranciscoZionist

What a munchkin!

Reposting from yesteday, speaking of babies, my niece (seven months, not nine, I miscounted) managed to break her teeny arm. I am so freaked out, but being in California, and she in TN, am stuck just writing to her mom. DAMNIT!

My 10-year-old granddaughter also broke her arm, she fell while rollerblading. I did not know this until I saw pictures on Facebook of her with a cast and sling on her arm.

732 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:04:29am

re: #730 PT Barnum

That would suck..how'd she manage to break her arm? Is she walking already?

Although I nearly dumped my son on his head when he was an infant. I was cuddling him in the big arm chair, fell asleep (cuddling with a baby will do that) and he rolled right down my arm and into the basket of laundry that my wife had been folding. Neither one of us woke up, though I did wonder how he got there when I did finally come to.

733 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:05:51am

re: #721 PT Barnum

Where we get in trouble is when the person in charge is either not smart enough to know when they're being led astray (Bush) or so smart that they become arrogant enough to think they know better than everyone else. Carter comes to mind on that score. Neither is desirable.

I don't think GWB is actually stupid. What he is overly focused on certain results and very loyal (more loyal to others than a president should be). These traits leave blind spots and lead to mistakes.

734 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:06:49am

re: #727 Dark_Falcon

True, and it is a problem. Integrating them into Congress is going to be a big problem from John Boehner.

He can't afford to go soft on this issue.

735 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:07:25am

re: #730 PT Barnum

That would suck..how'd she manage to break her arm? Is she walking already?

She ROLLED on it, apparently, and got the arm at a weird angle under her. She's splinted up until next week, when she gets a baby cast.

My husband is worrying that the ER people will think it's abuse, but I think they've probably seen everything...and can see the amount of rolling she does in her daily routine.

I asked SIL if she was getting lots of baby pain meds. Baby Tylenol, apparently. I do NOT think that's good enough!

736 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:10:58am

Perhaps OT since I haven't been around and haven't read the whole thread, but here goes--

One of our favorite House members, Michelle Bachmann (R-Mars), anti-endorsed by the St. Cloud Times, a prominent paper in her district--

[Link: www.sctimes.com...]

While it endorses Bachmann's opponent, State Sen. Tarryl Clark, it's really more against the incumbent, and for good reasons.

737 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:11:10am

re: #721 PT Barnum

Where we get in trouble is when the person in charge is either not smart enough to know when they're being led astray (Bush) or so smart that they become arrogant enough to think they know better than everyone else. Carter comes to mind on that score. Neither is desirable.

Another thing I look for is does the person have the ability(which relates to ego and intellectual strength) to surround themselves with people/advisors that don't necessarily agree with their POV lockstep. Having a group of total yes men or women gets people into trouble. Becomes a bubble and regardless of whatever political stance we're talking about can lead to insularity.

So for instance when I was working and in charge of the budget for the org I needed to have second. I picked a person whose financial and political viewpoints were quite different and in some case opposite from mine. Others in the org thought I was nuts. We argued a lot but that was okay. We got it done and I have no problem saying that it ended up better then if I had just got someone who would agree to do everything my way.

738 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:12:16am

re: #734 laZardo

He can't afford to go soft on this issue.

Indeed. But a big part of a party's duties is getting its new members to understand how Congress works and their place in it. It's a bit different in the Senate, given the greater powers of each individual member. 2011 will also be the first session in a great many years where the new members are not taught the history of the Senate by Robert Byrd. That was a class he taught, for Senators from both parties.

739 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:13:07am

re: #733 Dark_Falcon

I don't think GWB is actually stupid. What he is overly focused on certain results and very loyal (more loyal to others than a president should be). These traits leave blind spots and lead to mistakes.

Being willfully ignorant (and I do think he has been) is the definition of stupidity.

740 laZardo  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:14:02am

re: #738 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. But a big part of a party's duties is getting its new members to understand how Congress works and their place in it. It's a bit different in the Senate, given the greater powers of each individual member. 2011 will also be the first session in a great many years where the new members are not taught the history of the Senate by Robert Byrd. That was a class he taught, for Senators from both parties.

I was trying to start a pun thread. :(

741 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:14:11am

re: #736 ClaudeMonet

Perhaps OT since I haven't been around and haven't read the whole thread, but here goes--

One of our favorite House members, Michelle Bachmann (R-Mars), anti-endorsed by the St. Cloud Times, a prominent paper in her district--

[Link: www.sctimes.com...]

While it endorses Bachmann's opponent, State Sen. Tarryl Clark, it's really more against the incumbent, and for good reasons.

It works for me. It's like a CNN column I posted here: It would be a very good thing if both Michelle Bachmann and Alan Grayson both lost. An act of political hygiene.

742 prairiefire  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:14:47am

re: #731 Alouette

My 10-year-old granddaughter also broke her arm, she fell while rollerblading. I did not know this until I saw pictures on Facebook of her with a cast and sling on her arm.

Is someone going to get a talking to?

743 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:14:50am

re: #740 laZardo

I was trying to start a pun thread. :(

SMACK!

744 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:15:46am

re: #736 ClaudeMonet

Perhaps OT since I haven't been around and haven't read the whole thread, but here goes--

One of our favorite House members, Michelle Bachmann (R-Mars), anti-endorsed by the St. Cloud Times, a prominent paper in her district--

[Link: www.sctimes.com...]

While it endorses Bachmann's opponent, State Sen. Tarryl Clark, it's really more against the incumbent, and for good reasons.

I do not understand how people like Bachmann and Steve King (R-Iowa dumfuck in chief) manage to get elected despite doing absolutely nothing for their district. I play poker with a guy who is one of the movers and shakers in the Republican party and he immediately excused them by pointing out Barbara Boxer's entanglements with Code Pink going to talk to Hamas or somebody. "All King and Bachman do is run their mouths."

745 [deleted]  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:17:14am
746 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:17:22am

re: #741 Dark_Falcon

It works for me. It's like a CNN column I posted here: It would be a very good thing if both Michelle Bachmann and Alan Grayson both lost. An act of political hygiene.

I dunno..one liberal firebrand as opposed to how many right wing nutjobs? Seems like we'd need need to lose quite a few GOP yabobs to even get to parity.

747 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:19:16am

re: #745 laZardo


Dude, don't post porn without a warning. FFS.

748 lostlakehiker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:19:16am

re: #680 reine.de.tout

I worked for state gov't, and Sajak's piece was idiocy.

A friend of mine works for the LSU Hospitals System (charity hospital network in La.) and after Katrina, the government employees who were stuck at big charity in NOLA put together the photos and videos they took of their experience in the hospital for 5 days after the generators went out, the bottom floors flooded, the bathrooms quit working and the food ran out.

I saw that presentation once, and it brought tears to my eyes, as to what those employees lived through, trying to keep those critically ill patients comfortable and alive, and doing it all in good spirits (you see the employees smiling at the camera - smiling!) - and I'm trying to get hold of it to post it here, as an example of the type of people who are the dreaded "deadhead government employees".

The medical profession is an outlier. Even in the worst of circumstances, it brings forth the best in people. There's a novel, Die Unsichtbare Fanne [the invisible banner] from WW II. Set in a German mobile field hospital in the Ukraine, the title alone tells its story. They saluted a different flag.

Where the medical profession sometimes displays feet of clay is in the execution of ordinary, daily-grind duties. Handwashing and cleaning of surfaces is not the stuff of heroic epics, but it makes all the difference and cutting corners there shows up in the stats. As antibiotic resistant superstrains become more common, this becomes yet more important.

There is, happily, a considerable appreciation of this point in hospital management these days, and it's a top priority, never relaxed much less forgotten, at many places.

749 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:20:20am

re: #744 PT Barnum

I do not understand how people like Bachmann and Steve King (R-Iowa dumfuck in chief) manage to get elected despite doing absolutely nothing for their district. I play poker with a guy who is one of the movers and shakers in the Republican party and he immediately excused them by pointing out Barbara Boxer's entanglements with Code Pink going to talk to Hamas or somebody. "All King and Bachman do is run their mouths."

Yeah King and Bachmann have no legislative accomplishments to speak of I imagine. First time I remember really noticing Bachmann was when she tried to blame the Smoot-Hawley tariff which she called the "Hoot-Smalley tariff" on FDR even though it was two Republicans who sponsored it and signed by Hoover.

750 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:20:24am

So I'm looking around for books for my sixth-graders, and I find references to The Girl who Owned a City. I look it up, and lo, and behold, at Wiki:

This is a post-apocalyptic book about leadership and survival. Nelson has stated that his intent in writing the novel was to translate the Objectivist philosophy of Ayn Rand into terms children could understand.[1]

Maybe I'll just have them read "The Giver" instead.

751 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:20:29am

re: #746 PT Barnum

Well, after November there will be a fresh crop of GOP loonies. I think some of them may make Bachmann pale in comparison.

752 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:20:57am

re: #750 SanFranciscoZionist

Give them The Wizard of Earthsea!

753 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:21:43am

re: #752 Obdicut

Give them The Wizard of Earthsea!

Good suggestion, but I don't think this is the class for it.

754 prairiefire  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:23:03am

re: #735 SanFranciscoZionist

My boy broke his arm at 18 months. He was in his port a crib while I took a ~quick~ shower. I got out of the shower, he said "up, up' and climbed out over the side, broke his arm when he was falling to the floor.
I called 911, my husband, and step-mom.
The 3 EMTs arrived. They each asked me what had happened, individually, leaning in very close so they could smell if I had been drinking (at 9:30AM).
I was embarrassed, but because my son was really too big for that crib. He has spider monkey agility.
Mu husband got home, the EMTs put a splint on it, and we took him to the children's hospital. The emergency on call Dr. called in a favor, and an ortho from another hospital about an hour away came over to put a cast on it.
The baby will feel a lot more comfortable with a cast on its arm.

755 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:23:43am

re: #747 Obdicut

Dude, don't post porn without a warning. FFS.

Quite Concur. Some people have to work even on a Sunday, or they may have children in the area. If you are going to post porn, laZardo, you need to put in an NSFW warning.

756 sagehen  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:23:56am

re: #737 Jadespring

Another thing I look for is does the person have the ability(which relates to ego and intellectual strength) to surround themselves with people/advisors that don't necessarily agree with their POV lockstep. Having a group of total yes men or women gets people into trouble. Becomes a bubble and regardless of whatever political stance we're talking about can lead to insularity.


A place I used to work was run by co-owners who disagreed about almost everything, almost always. They had a plaque on the wall in their shared office: "When partners always agree, one of them is unnecessary."

757 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:24:05am

re: #753 SanFranciscoZionist

How about Gerald Durrell's My Family and Other Animals?

It's hilarious.

It contains tortoises having sex.

758 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:24:25am

re: #757 Obdicut

How about Gerald Durrell's My Family and Other Animals?

It's hilarious.

It contains tortoises having sex.

That I should read!

759 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:24:44am

re: #758 SanFranciscoZionist

One of my all-time favorite books. I've read it thirty-seven times.

760 prairiefire  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:25:20am

re: #757 Obdicut

How about Gerald Durrell's My Family and Other Animals?

It's hilarious.

It contains tortoises having sex.

It's a wonderful book.

761 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:25:23am

Alrighty.
Government Employees at work.

Several photos (I've added 4 more since I put the page up)
And a link to the full slide show.

762 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:25:51am

re: #750 SanFranciscoZionist

So I'm looking around for books for my sixth-graders, and I find references to The Girl who Owned a City. I look it up, and lo, and behold, at Wiki:

This is a post-apocalyptic book about leadership and survival. Nelson has stated that his intent in writing the novel was to translate the Objectivist philosophy of Ayn Rand into terms children could understand.[1]

Maybe I'll just have them read "The Giver" instead.

Sounds like a good idea. Objectivism is a badly flawed philosophy and shouldn't be taught till kids are old enough to understand why it's in error.

763 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:25:59am

re: #751 Obdicut

Well, after November there will be a fresh crop of GOP loonies. I think some of them may make Bachmann pale in comparison.

True, but they'll be newbies. One thing we've learned, particularly about the rules of the Senate, is that those who know the rules and how to use them can run rings around the noobs. The rookies will be, in the words of Big Daddy in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, "All hawk and no spit", or in Texas terms, "All hat and no cattle".

764 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:28:30am

re: #763 ClaudeMonet

True, but they'll be newbies. One thing we've learned, particularly about the rules of the Senate, is that those who know the rules and how to use them can run rings around the noobs. The rookies will be, in the words of Big Daddy in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, "All hawk and no spit", or in Texas terms, "All hat and no cattle".

Then there is learning the 'unofficial' way that things work, the individual people and power politics. That takes longer and some people never seem to get it.

765 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:28:31am

Of course, I've gotten into issues with the parents over 'The Giver' as well. One mom could not get over it that the children were taking pills! PILLS! "I told my daughter, I don't approve of books like that, but I guess I'll talk to your teacher about it..."

766 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:30:16am

re: #765 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course, I've gotten into issues with the parents over 'The Giver' as well. One mom could not get over it that the children were taking pills! PILLS! "I told my daughter, I don't approve of books like that, but I guess I'll talk to your teacher about it..."

Have you thought about City of Ember or any of the John Bellairs books?

767 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:31:25am

Wishful thinking?

NPR poll: Republican midterm tide has crested

A new national survey of battleground districts strongly suggests that the Democrats aren't quite dead just yet

Probably.

768 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:31:29am

re: #766 PT Barnum

Have you thought about City of Ember or any of the John Bellairs books?

City of Ember is on the short list. Bellairs I hadn't thought of.

769 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:32:30am

re: #15 brookly red

perhaps, but I stand by it. That is why I don't comment much on abortion threads, I am a guy so I yield to those that have a vested interest.

I'd agree with that, but IMO it should read "a greater vested interest".

I have always told my lady friends that if they should become pregnant, I'll stand by them whatever their choice--but I'd want to know what the choice is.

770 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:32:44am

re: #768 SanFranciscoZionist

City of Ember is on the short list. Bellairs I hadn't thought of.

I think it's out of print but "The Face in the Frost" is a masterpiece. You might also consider the Cyberiad by Stanislav Lem if you can find it in print.

771 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:32:56am

re: #767 Killgore Trout

Nate Silver is doing some serious hedging. This election has more uncertainty than any one in recent memory, I think. Could go either way.

772 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:33:06am

re: #770 PT Barnum

I think it's out of print but "The Face in the Frost" is a masterpiece. You might also consider the Cyberiad by Stanislav Lem if you can find it in print.

Yes yes this this.

773 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:37:12am

re: #69 Alouette

I always hated that song. Hated it.

Me, too. The song itself, not the pro-woman sentiments. It did create a career and fame for one woman, though.

774 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:38:19am

re: #765 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course, I've gotten into issues with the parents over 'The Giver' as well. One mom could not get over it that the children were taking pills! PILLS! "I told my daughter, I don't approve of books like that, but I guess I'll talk to your teacher about it..."

Seriously?

Well, let me admit right here and now that I have been, apparently, a terrible terrible parent.

I never monitored what my daughter was reading. Ever. If how we raised her and the example of our own lives didn't influence her to set a good course for her own life, then keeping her from reading certain books wasn't gonna do it, either.

775 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:38:36am

re: #770 PT Barnum

I think it's out of print but "The Face in the Frost" is a masterpiece. You might also consider the Cyberiad by Stanislav Lem if you can find it in print.

Face in the Frost

It's available on Kindle or Nook. Just bought it.

776 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:40:45am

re: #767 Killgore Trout

Wishful thinking?

NPR poll: Republican midterm tide has crested

Probably.

Yeah, that's what it is. NPR is never crazy, but it leans left.

777 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:42:09am

re: #776 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, that's what it is. NPR is never crazy, but it leans left.

NPR actually leans right.

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

778 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:44:33am

re: #772 Obdicut

Yes yes this this.

I just looked and it's still available new at Amazon for as little as 4.00 + shipping. If you haven't read it..it's a masterpiece. (The Cyberiad)

779 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:44:53am

re: #97 Alouette

So many cheesy, horrible songs to hate.

Cheryl Crow and Kid Rock: "Ah putcha pitcha awaaayyy"

One of the reasons I stopped listening to music stations.

That damned song is one reason I cut back on going to karaoke. I heard it done far too many times by drunken people who couldn't sing if they were sober. "Hey, let's you and me sing 'Picture'!"

re: #98 marjoriemoon

You assume correctly. The Seventies brought us a lot of treacle, particularly from solo singers of both genders and all the territory in between.

I remember going to a Jackson Browne concert with friends (it was their idea), and a half hour in, one of my then-pals stood up and yelled, "Hey, JB, grow a pair, you p***y!"

I'm assuming not to many Captain and Tenille fans here either LOL

780 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:45:23am

re: #777 Obdicut

NPR actually leans right.

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

From that article you linked to:

Despite a perception that National Public Radio is politically liberal, the majority of its sources are actually Republicans and conservatives, according to a survey released Tuesday by Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, a left-leaning media watchdog.

Survey is dismissed by me as left-wing propaganda. No such left-leaning groups can be trusted.

781 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:48:09am

re: #780 Dark_Falcon

Heh. Well, that's convenient.

Do you think they falsified the data about how many conservative guests were invited on the show? What is your actual basis for rejecting their data? Or is this just screaming "leftist" and running away?

782 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:48:29am

re: #780 Dark_Falcon

From that article you linked to:

Survey is dismissed by me as left-wing propaganda. No such left-leaning groups can be trusted.

Or any right-leaning groups, either.

I don't listen to NPR much these days, but years ago I had "true" names for its shows, such as "All Things Way Left Of Center Considered" and "Hot Air".

783 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:48:55am

re: #780 Dark_Falcon

From that article you linked to:

Survey is dismissed by me as left-wing propaganda. No such left-leaning groups can be trusted.

So only right-leaning groups can be trusted?

784 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:52:21am

re: #781 Obdicut

Heh. Well, that's convenient.

Do you think they falsified the data about how many conservative guests were invited on the show? What is your actual basis for rejecting their data? Or is this just screaming "leftist" and running away?

This is me both in " less than three weeks till the election" mode and pissed off that I likely can't attend a Republican event I really want to go to. I've been looking forward to it for months, but the constant trickle of unavoidable expenses means the money's going to have to be used to pay the bills instead. And I'm pissed about that.

785 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:53:08am

re: #782 ClaudeMonet

Or any right-leaning groups, either.

I don't listen to NPR much these days, but years ago I had "true" names for its shows, such as "All Things Way Left Of Center Considered" and "Hot Air".

Terry Gross is definitely lefty but All things considered and morning edition are fairly in the middle. I find myself just as aggravated at them for presenting right wing views unchallenged as I do at the obvious lefty slant of other stories. All in all I think they get it about right.

786 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:54:05am

re: #774 reine.de.tout

Seriously?

Well, let me admit right here and now that I have been, apparently, a terrible terrible parent.

I never monitored what my daughter was reading. Ever. If how we raised her and the example of our own lives didn't influence her to set a good course for her own life, then keeping her from reading certain books wasn't gonna do it, either.

No, me neither. I let my kids read whatever they wanted. I did not monitor their reading for "non-kosher" content.

Now, my daughter-in-law is a total control freak over what she allows my granddaughter to read. I want to get her the "All of a Kind Family" series but I don't know if she will allow even that. All my kids loved those books.

Harry Potter is right out.

What's a good series for a 10-year-old Jewish girl? Nothing Holocaust, because it's "too scary" (according to my DIL)

787 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:54:54am

re: #784 Dark_Falcon

Was the GOP event you were looking forward to going to going to feature some anti-AGW speakers, by any chance? Anyone favoring teaching ID or creationism in school?

The 'leftist' group did research, and presented data. If you think they're wrong, examine their data and demonstrate how they're wrong.

NPR is seen as leftist because they do stories about Dr. Micklebobo down in the rainforest and other lefty crap like that. But when it comes to actual domestic US policy, they really do invite more conservative speakers onto the shows than liberals, and really do invite more Republicans on than Democrats.

788 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:55:48am

re: #786 Alouette

No, me neither. I let my kids read whatever they wanted. I did not monitor their reading for "non-kosher" content.

Now, my daughter-in-law is a total control freak over what she allows my granddaughter to read. I want to get her the "All of a Kind Family" series but I don't know if she will allow even that. All my kids loved those books.

Harry Potter is right out.

What's a good series for a 10-year-old Jewish girl? Nothing Holocaust, because it's "too scary" (according to my DIL)

Yeesh...I think the John Bellairs books are good.. Little House on the Prairie? My son likes the Rick Riordan books (Percy Jackson et all).

789 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:57:33am

re: #788 PT Barnum

Yeah, Bellairs is good, if a l'i'l scary.

I'm really fond of The Great Brain series, too.

790 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:58:47am

re: #127 HoosierHoops

Yummy yummy I got love in my tummy..
/

That's Sixties. Junior high for me when that came out. Barf.

re: #217 Slumbering Behemoth

You. Are. Evil. I shall not rest 'til I return you to the vile, fiery pit from whence you came.
/

No kidding. I gave up on the Grammys when that abominable bunch won Best New Group over Boston.

791 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:59:12am

re: #774 reine.de.tout

Seriously?

Well, let me admit right here and now that I have been, apparently, a terrible terrible parent.

I never monitored what my daughter was reading. Ever. If how we raised her and the example of our own lives didn't influence her to set a good course for her own life, then keeping her from reading certain books wasn't gonna do it, either.

Some people are just nuts when it comes to their kids.
My sister rules hers with an iron fist (not that she beats them or anything) and I foresee some amazing rebellion once they get free of her control.

792 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:59:50am

re: #787 Obdicut

Was the GOP event you were looking forward to going to going to feature some anti-AGW speakers, by any chance? Anyone favoring teaching ID or creationism in school?

The 'leftist' group did research, and presented data. If you think they're wrong, examine their data and demonstrate how they're wrong.

NPR is seen as leftist because they do stories about Dr. Micklebobo down in the rainforest and other lefty crap like that. But when it comes to actual domestic US policy, they really do invite more conservative speakers onto the shows than liberals, and really do invite more Republicans on than Democrats.

As far as I know, no it is not. But Mark Kirk will be there. As will Mr. Bold, who is running to replace him in the 10th District. So will Joel Pollack, running in the 9th district and actually making some polling headway. I'm still hoping to go, but I need to find someway to make sure the bills get paid first.

793 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:01:41am

I know.
"Kids in the Kitchen" cookbook.

794 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:01:45am

re: #789 Obdicut

Yeah, Bellairs is good, if a l'i'l scary.

I'm really fond of The Great Brain series, too.

Haven't read those yet. Some of the Heinlein juviniles are really good if you can find them.

795 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:15:31am

re: #792 Dark_Falcon

Well, Kirk appears to be yards better than most GOP people on AGW, but still nowhere near good enough:

[Link: illinoissierraclub.blogspot.com...]

He is excellent on ID and gets my full approval of his stance on that.

[Link: kirk.house.gov...]


Pollak, unfortunately, fails on AGW:

I will sponsor incentives that will encourage American consumers and industries to invest in energy-efficient and clean technologies. I will also vote to fund research and development of renewable energy resources, while supporting exploration and development of fossil fuels where our technology makes it safe and clean to do so, including parts of northern Alaska and the outer continental shelf.

There is no such thing as clean fossil fuel use. Science fail.

Dold is a soft AGW-denier.

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

He also is a scared little rabbit:

[Link: www.votesmart.org...]

796 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:22:32am

re: #795 Obdicut

Well, Kirk appears to be yards better than most GOP people on AGW, but still nowhere near good enough:

[Link: illinoissierraclub.blogspot.com...]

He is excellent on ID and gets my full approval of his stance on that.

[Link: kirk.house.gov...]

Pollak, unfortunately, fails on AGW:

There is no such thing as clean fossil fuel use. Science fail.

Dold is a soft AGW-denier.

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

He also is a scared little rabbit:

[Link: www.votesmart.org...]

Kirk wants to do something on AGW, but he has a coal-mining segment of the State GOP base that he needs to win.

Pollack is likely referring to 'clean-coal' technologies. Give him a chance, he's not a close minded person and such technologies are relevant.

Dold is not as good as Kirk. I'll agree with the little rabbit, but he's in a tight spot. There are some teabaggers in his district and he has to get them to vote for him while also convincing moderates to vote for him. That makes for a someone running from one covered position to another, like a rabbit.

797 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:24:14am

re: #795 Obdicut

also, thanks for the issue brief. Good use of sources on this one.

798 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:26:07am

re: #796 Dark_Falcon

Kirk wants to do something on AGW, but he has a coal-mining segment of the State GOP base that he needs to win.

Kirk has carefully avoided actually ever saying that AGW is real, as far as I can tell.

Pollack is likely referring to 'clean-coal' technologies. Give him a chance, he's not a close minded person and such technologies are relevant.

There is no such thing as clean coal, either. It is a marketing term invented by the coal industry.


Dold is not as good as Kirk. I'll agree with the little rabbit, but he's in a tight spot. There are some teabaggers in his district and he has to get them to vote for him while also convincing moderates to vote for him. That makes for a someone running from one covered position to another, like a rabbit.

I think someone like that would continue running like a rabbit while elected, pandering to the tea party types. That is not useful.


I am very glad to see that Kirk is firmly, no-nonsense opposed to ID and Creationism. A very pleasant surprise.

799 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:28:43am

re: #794 PT Barnum

Haven't read those yet. Some of the Heinlein juviniles are really good if you can find them.

Heck with the juvis, though good, instead sic them on "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistriss" or "Job".

I could also suggest David Brin. The Startide Rising books are wonderfull. "Earth" is a good book that has been far more accurate than not.

800 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:05:07pm

Taking wife to church. BBLre: #702 reine.de.tout

Great slideshow. The "MASH-like" tents make up an 90s-era DEPMED (Deployable Medical?) facility. I spent a night sandbagging one during a Turkish hurricane.


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