Alaska GOP Candidate Joe Miller Hearts Communist East Germany, Georgia GOP Rep. Wants to Shoot to Kill

In a candidate forum in Alaska, Sarah Palin-endorsed Tea Party loon Joe Miller praised the border security of … Communist East Germany.

“The first thing that has to be done is secure the border. … East Germany was very, very able to reduce the flow. Now, obviously, other things were involved. We have the capacity to, as a great nation, secure the border. If East Germany could do it, we could do it.”

Of course, one reason why East Germany’s border was such an inspiration for Joe Miller is that guards had license to shoot to kill anyone trying to cross.

And some Republicans think that’s exactly what we need here in America too. For example, Georgia state Rep. John Yates.

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1 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:43:03pm

I guess he was too busy collecting government aid during the Reagan years to learn that East Germany doesn’t exactly exist anymore.

2 Gus  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:44:41pm

Mr. Gorbachev Obama, tear down build up this wall! - Republican Joe Wilson

3 iossarian  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:45:51pm

East Germany didn’t just have a wall. They also had, IIRC, the highest recorded ratio of secret police staff to the general population, to say nothing of the vast network of informants that fed into their surveillance system.

But hey, if that’s what it takes to keep the Scary Brown People out, I guess it’s a slam dunk for these clowns.

4 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:46:45pm

re: #3 iossarian

East Germany didn’t just have a wall. They also had, IIRC, the highest recorded ratio of secret police staff to the general population, to say nothing of the vast network of informants that fed into their surveillance system.

But hey, if that’s what it takes to keep the Scary Brown People out, I guess it’s a slam dunk for these clowns.

Soon to be replaced by scary yellow people: [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

5 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:48:15pm

And of course East Germany’s wall was to keep people in. An entirely different chore.

6 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:49:01pm

it somehow never becomes clear to these people that so many of their big business buddies count on being able to exploit illegal workers

7 iossarian  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:49:10pm

re: #4 darthstar

Genius. The popular American psyche is not a pretty sight.

8 Gus  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:49:39pm

Charles, there’s an embeddable video of Republican Joe Miller praising East Germany available here.

9 Gus  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:50:02pm

re: #2 Gus 802

Mr. Gorbachev Obama, tear down build up this wall! - Republican Joe Wilson Miller

Joe MILLER — PIMF

10 jaunte  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:50:29pm

New registration
“leftists groom jihad”

What a dork.

11 Kragar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:51:18pm

Yes, because fascist totalitarian regimes who shoot civilians is something the US really needs to emulate more.

12 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:51:28pm

I love the clarity. The hardest thing to deal with is good people with a couple bad ideas they picked up along the way. Total assholes are much easier to comprehend.

13 aurelius  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:51:29pm

Um… in east germany the wall was built by east germany to imprison the east german citizens inside the worker’s paradise they were desperately trying to flee from.

Miller wants to keep noncitizens out of the US who are trying to illegally come in.

different situation.

different solutions.

I really hope he is not suggesting watchtowers with snipers.

lrn2 history joe.

14 Gus  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:52:25pm

re: #10 jaunte

New registration
“leftists groom jihad”

What a dork.

Thanks for the heads up. Here’s the profile:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

15 Max  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:52:50pm

If Obama built the Berlin-style barrier that Joe Miller called for the right wing blogs would have a field day comparing Obama’s America to East Germany.

I can see Gateway Pundit now:

Far Left Marxist Obama Builds Wall to Keep Us in His Socialist Paradise.
16 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:53:41pm

re: #10 jaunte

New registration
“leftists groom jihad”

What a dork.

Not going to wait for that one to post. Buh bye!

17 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:53:52pm

re: #14 Gus 802

Thanks for the heads up. Here’s the profile:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

50¢ says it’s TFK.

18 Lidane  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:53:58pm

re: #6 engineer dog

it somehow never becomes clear to these people that so many of their big business buddies count on being able to exploit illegal workers

It doesn’t fit the narrative, so they ignore that inconvenient fact. For these loons to get votes and burnish their “conservative” principles, they have to make all the Scary Brown People into monolithic invaders, coming to steal jobs from Real Americans, don’tcha know.

Admitting that some of their big donors wouldn’t be big donors without some illegal labor working for them would just be too much. Their heads would explode from the cognitive dissonance.

19 Gus  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:54:02pm

re: #15 Max D. Reinhardt

If Obama built the Berlin-style barrier that Joe Miller called for the right wing blogs would have a field day comparing Obama’s America to East Germany.

I can see Gateway Pundit now:

I joked about that a couple of months ago. That wingnuts would see a wall or fence as some kind of conspiracy to keep Americans inside.

20 Max  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:54:11pm

re: #10 jaunte

He’s already blocked. Was he a sock?

21 Political Atheist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:54:16pm

re: #6 engineer dog

I can only wonder what they would say if someone (not me ever!!) advocated the same treatment of employers of undocumented aliens just like those poor east Germans trying to get over the wall.

Heh, I’d go for fines and jail at about the same sentence as say DUI…

22 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:55:08pm

re: #20 Max D. Reinhardt

He’s already blocked. Was he a sock?

Waste of keystrokes.

23 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:55:19pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

50¢ says it’s TFK.

British IP address - it’s one of the EDL supporters from the Guardian article.

24 jaunte  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:55:38pm

“Jihad groomers are oppressing mah free speech! Oh noes!”

25 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:55:39pm

re: #20 Max D. Reinhardt

He’s already blocked. Was he a sock?

I guess that answers the question “What’s in a name?”

Leftists groom jihad, wherefore art thou?

26 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:56:41pm

re: #25 darthstar

I guess that answers the question “What’s in a name?”

Leftists groom jihad, wherefore art thou?

A turd by any name would smell as sweet.

27 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:58:47pm

re: #23 Charles

British IP address - it’s one of the EDL supporters from the Guardian article.

I’ll have to calibrate my detector for British trollery.

28 AmericanParty  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:58:59pm

What does Mexico do to secure its border? (shoots to kill)

Can we please secure the border please, this is getting pathetic. Shooting them is too far but seriously deport these people ASAP.

29 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 1:59:54pm

Oh, here we go.

30 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:00:04pm

Ugh…new “personhood prop 62” ad has President Obama as the Angel of Death

31 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:00:33pm

re: #28 AmericanParty

Obama has deported more aliens than previous administrations. Who in particular do you want deported?

32 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:01:22pm

re: #28 AmericanParty

Could I interest you in the “Full Employment for Coyotes Act”?

33 jaunte  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:01:26pm

re: #28 AmericanParty

You’d better talk to the farm lobby.

34 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:01:46pm

re: #28 AmericanParty

What does Mexico do to secure its border? (shoots to kill)

Can we please secure the border please, this is getting pathetic. Shooting them is too far but seriously deport these people ASAP.

perhaps you’d like to entertain us with your estimate of how much it would cost and how much taxes would have to be raised to pay for it

35 Gus  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:02:04pm

re: #28 AmericanParty

Interesting ding you layed on comment 23.

Fan of the EDL are you?

36 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:02:46pm

Joe Miller: He’s cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
Seriously, Joe you don’t get to go around acting like Obama and Democrats are Communists when you’re proposing we emulate East Germany and by the way the wall didn’t work.

37 Max  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:03:00pm

re: #28 AmericanParty

Interesting screen name. Is it referring to the Ku Klux Klan’s “American Party” from the 1920s or to the modern far right paleocon party?

38 avanti  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:03:07pm

BTW, Crazy Pam’s Campbell’s soup boycott has hit the Washington Post:
soup.

39 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:03:28pm

not one more cent to educate our children but millions to deport the dishwashers and slaughterhouse workers

////

40 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:03:43pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

Could I interest you in the “Full Employment for Coyotes Act”?

Is that where they get paid to escort them in both directions?

41 Kragar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:04:06pm

re: #29 Charles

Oh, here we go.

42 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:04:34pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

Is that where they get paid to escort them in both directions?

All we will call them is “just Deportees”.

43 Gus  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:04:38pm

re: #37 Max D. Reinhardt

Interesting screen name. Is it referring to the Ku Klux Klan’s “American Party” from the 1920s or to the modern far right paleocon party?

It’s all about the American RACE!

//

44 McSpiff  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:04:50pm

re: #37 Max D. Reinhardt

Interesting screen name. Is it referring to the Ku Klux Klan’s “American Party” from the 1920s or to the modern far right paleocon party?

Made me think of the Know Nothings. Guess that was Native American Party.

45 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:05:14pm

re: #30 darthstar

Ugh…new “personhood prop 62” ad has President Obama as the Angel of Death


[Video]

Wow, that is one completely insane advertisement.

46 iossarian  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:05:34pm

Maybe there can be a subscription service for deporting immigrants.

If you pay your $75, a guy comes round to your house every so often and checks that there are no Mexicans hiding out there.

If, on the other hand, you have no problem with illegal immigrants coming to the US and doing menial work, you can opt out of the service.

///

47 jaunte  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:05:34pm

re: #43 Gus 802

They kept the Germans out!

48 TedStriker  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:05:34pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

And of course East Germany’s wall was to keep people in. An entirely different chore.

In, out, what’s the difference?

/dripping

49 TedStriker  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:06:57pm

re: #15 Max D. Reinhardt

If Obama built the Berlin-style barrier that Joe Miller called for the right wing blogs would have a field day comparing Obama’s America to East Germany.

I can see Gateway Pundit now:

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia…

50 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:06:58pm

re: #35 Gus 802

Interesting ding you layed on comment 23.

Fan of the EDL are you?

*grabs popcorn*

51 Gus  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:07:58pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

*grabs popcorn*

He’s probably afraid to respond. You know what a bunch of chickens those folks from the American Party are.

//

52 TedStriker  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:08:35pm

re: #47 jaunte

They kept the West Germans out!

FTFY ;-P

53 McSpiff  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:09:30pm

re: #30 darthstar

Ugh…new “personhood prop 62” ad has President Obama as the Angel of Death


[Video]

Hmmm haven’t had a youtube video make me wanna put my foot through the screen in a while. Impressive.

54 TedStriker  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:09:47pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

*grabs popcorn*

Where’s D_F? Someone needs to fire up the grill before too awful long…

55 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:09:49pm

I just love how to Miller and the Teabagging morons liberals and Democrats are Marxists but here we have a Tea Party supported candidate who is saying we should emulate East Germany you know real Commies. Does Miller realize that the Berlin Wall was the symbol of the Eastern Bloc’s authoritanism? Yeah a wall will make people feel real welcome in this country. Also, how much will this cost? It goes to show you that Joe Miller is another full of crap “Small government conservative.” It’s unconstituional and socialist to give people unemployment benefits but it’s okay to waste money building a wall. As for the Georgia state rep, he can go to hell for all I care. Yeah let’s shoot people who want to come to this country.

56 Max  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:10:40pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

Could I interest you in the “Full Employment for Coyotes Act”?

Yes please, along with some skyrocketing food prices and Poultry Industry Exportation to China Act.

57 Gus  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:11:21pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

I just love how to Miller and the Teabagging morons liberals and Democrats are Marxists but here we have a Tea Party supported candidate who is saying we should emulate East Germany you know real Commies. Does Miller realize that the Berlin Wall was the symbol of the Eastern Bloc’s authoritanism? Yeah a wall will make people feel real welcome in this country. Also, how much will this cost? It goes to show you that Joe Miller is another full of crap “Small government conservative.” It’s unconstituional and socialist to give people unemployment benefits but it’s okay to waste money building a wall. As for the Georgia state rep, he can go to hell for all I care. Yeah let’s shoot people who want to come to this country.

You would think somebody would have gotten up in the audience and scream “what are you nuts?!”

Instead they just sat there.

58 jaunte  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:12:09pm

re: #52 talon_262

The American Party (previously Know Nothings):

The Know-Nothing movement was a nativist American political movement of the 1840s and 1850s. It was empowered by popular fears that the country was being overwhelmed by German and Irish Catholic immigrants.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]


Because Eisenhower and Kennedy couldn’t be true Americans.

59 Kragar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:12:34pm

re: #30 darthstar

Ugh…new “personhood prop 62” ad has President Obama as the Angel of Death

[Video]

I love how they portray the Supreme Court as a shadowy cabal of black robed zealots plotting to destroy the US.

60 Kragar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:13:53pm

re: #56 Max D. Reinhardt

Yes please, along with some skyrocketing food prices and Poultry Industry Exportation to China Act.

Could I interest you in some mechanically separated chicken and some flavored corn syrup? Its almost like real food.

61 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:14:26pm

re: #58 jaunte

The American Party (previously Know Nothings):


Because Eisenhower and Kennedy couldn’t be true Americans.

Heh, yep, Damn Catholics are going to have the Pope rule over us! It’s not all unlike the crazy theories involving Muslims and Sharia to be truthful. My grandfather while he was still alive told me a memory he had as a child in the 30’s seeing the KKK march through their hometown. He was a first generation American and Eastern European, another favorite target of the “true Americans.”

62 webevintage  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:15:31pm

re: #4 darthstar

Soon to be replaced by scary yellow people: [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

In the end the ‘verse is gonna be run by the Chinese and we will all curse in Mandarin.

(Firefly ref for the not nerds/geeks out there)

63 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:15:48pm

re: #30 darthstar

Ugh…new “personhood prop 62” ad has President Obama as the Angel of Death


[Video]

That’s creepy on so many different levels.

64 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:16:59pm

East Germany’s wall wasn’t to keep people OUT, it was to keep people IN.
And as stated everywhere here, shooting people trying to get out was part of the plan.

Does he realize that?

65 Max  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:17:59pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

When these wingnuts talk about deporting all illegals before they get citizenship (which would cost billions of dollars that we don’t have, by the way) and when they flirt with the idea of cutting farm subsidies, I don’t think they understand how much that would damage our national security.

The only reason that the American agriculture industry is still alive is because of the cheap labor of migrant workers and because the Midwestern farm vote has been able to get a steady stream of subsides.

However, if we deported every illegal immigrant and cut the farm subsides, American wouldn’t be growing its own food. It would be reliant on third world nations.

America not being able to grow its own food? Yeah, sounds like a very sound domestic and national security policy.

66 webevintage  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:18:42pm

I don’t know about the rest of you but I’ll be glad when the wall goes up between us and those OMG!Socialist Canadians.
/

67 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 2:23:04pm

East Germany did indeed have pretty good border security. A few brave souls did escape but with a high enough death rate to deter most others, which was the police state regime’s goal in the first place.
This illustrates once again the principle that solving a problem is not so much a matter of what solutions are available as of what solutions we as a society are willing to countenance.

This reminds me of a story about Guatemalan dictator Jorge Ubico, who ruled the country from 1931 to 1944.

Ubico liked to boast that Guatemala City was the cleanest national capital in the world, an extraordinary claim for an impoverished third world town. American author John Gunther visited Guatemala in 1941, however, and agreed that it was largely true.
The reason was simple: Ubico, stung by foreign press criticism of his city’s dirt and squalor a few years earlier, had taken drastic action. He stationed a policeman or soldier at every second or third intersection with orders to shoot and kill anyone who littered or threw garbage on the streets, or who failed to clean up after their dogs, horses, and donkeys. Only a few scofflaws had to be plugged before the rest of the population fell into line and started cleaning up after itself.

And you probably thought California was tough on litterbugs.

68 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:35:06pm

let’s ask the Nazis how they kept the trains running on time!


yeah, i godwined this thread

69 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:21:20pm

Yep. As the old Taoist saying goes, “what you resist, you become.”

70 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:29:07am

I hope that people also remember what happened after re-unification of Germany: Those who followed the “Schießbefehl” and those who ordered it were brought to trial.

71 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:15:13am

re: #70 000G

I hope that people also remember what happened after re-unification of Germany: Those who followed the “Schießbefehl” and those who ordered it were brought to trial.

Fascinating:

After reunification

After German reunification, the Todesschützen (soldiers who allegedly killed fugitives) were brought to trial in the federal courts in what were known as the Mauerschützen-Prozesse (wallshooters’ trial). Also, high-ranking officers of the border police and of the Nationale Verteidigungsrat (National Defense Council of the GDR) were charged in court. The verdicts generally agree that even the common soldier should have and must have recognised that the GDR border laws were so fundamentally in conflict with the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which the GDR had signed and ratified, that they were not law at all but formalized injustice, and thus the soldiers ought to have disobeyed their commanding officers.


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