Breaking: Joe Miller’s Security Guards Have No License

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Amazing. As more news comes out about the “security guards” who handcuffed Alaskan reporter Tony Hopfinger, we’re learning that they’re survivalists who run a cheesy military surplus store — and they had no business license to operate as security guards.

Due to the discovery of our reader Older_Wiser we can reveal that the business license for “Dropzone Security Services”, 3701 SPENARD ROAD, ANCHORAGE AK 99503, owned by William F. Fulton expired on 31/12/2009 and was NOT renewed!

The company belonging Mr. Fulton, who was pictured in the above clips, is currently not licensed for providing security services. Joe Miller therefore employed the services of a “rogue” security company, so to speak.

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421 comments
1 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:55:15pm

What is it with the Repulicans and being supported by unliscened people?

I guess it’s just them sticking it to the big government man…

Badges, we don’t need no stinkin badges!

2 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:55:38pm

Are they required to be licensed by state or local regs?

3 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:56:07pm

How absolutely, fabulously mavericky of him!

4 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:57:03pm

Hmm, I see assault and wrongful imprisonment lawsuits in someone’s future.

5 jaunte  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:58:22pm

“His potential reporting was potentially assaultive.”

6 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:00:29pm

re: #2 SanFranciscoZionist

Are they required to be licensed by state or local regs?

I would think, as they provide armed details, a license might be an issue.

Oh, and check out the local pages reviews of them:
superpages.com

1 of 5 stars
Jun 16, 2010
by Guest56599
1 Jun 16, 2010 business
Drop Zone Security 3701 Spenard Rd,
Anchorage, AK 99503
USA
These are the people that have made the word “operator” and “tactical” sour in the mouth of anyone who takes this kind of stuff seriously. Taped to their door is a sign saying “this is not a *#&%ing museum, don’t come in here to just look at stuff,” which to me, created a nice, amicable atmosphere conducive to the exchange of goods and services. I then went in looking for a 1911 concealment holster, to which the chubby man decked out in multi-cam told me “we only deal in tactical gear, and concealment ain’t an option when you’re tactical, bro.” Stupid question on my part, I guess, being an OEF and OIF veteran… I then told him I guess I would look around the store for a little bit. As I perused the store, finding several items I was interested in, I heard the previous man and another clerk loudly talking about why there’s “so many $&%*ing ‘just lookers’ today.” Half their items are without price tags, and what does is 50% too much, so not desiring any further interaction, I left.

7 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:00:45pm

Well, it is Alaska after all.

Things are a little looser (and whackier) up there.

8 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:01:07pm

Heh…and they’re listed as an “Army-Navy Surplus Store”…

9 Stanley Sea  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:01:37pm

flickr.com

Look at these guys. What a sad photo.

10 jaunte  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:01:54pm

“Step away from the military surplus, sir.”

11 Political Atheist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:02:28pm

re: #2 SanFranciscoZionist

Are they required to be licensed by state or local regs?

State.

ROFL
I have trained up in use of force. I even disarmed a inebriated or something guard once (long story). When this Miller thing came up I made a couple calls and dug a bit on the net. In California at least not having your license as a security guard is a very big deal. Now Miller has a serious legal problem, of at least Drop Zone does.

12 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:02:32pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

[Link: www.flickr.com…]

Look at these guys. What a sad photo.

Hey- that’s one tough cooler.
/

13 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:02:50pm

These clowns make Palpatine’s Storm Troopers look like elite units.
:/

14 Lidane  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:02:59pm

I’ll bet money this raises Miller’s stock with the Tea Party types. His security team aren’t part of the government, so they’re okay.

15 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:04:01pm

Joe Miller hires undocumented thugs…film at eleven.

16 yksin  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:04:10pm

See also comments at adn.com — more info on what’s wrong with DropZone’s business licenses, and links to Alaska Statutes about licensing requirements for security guards and body guards.

17 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:04:19pm

re: #15 darthstar

Joe Miller hires undocumented thugs…film at eleven.

Oh, damn…they’re documented…just not licensed…

18 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:04:29pm

As a name, “Dropzone Security” practically reeks of gunshop commando.

Btw, I met a couple of actual, real-thing AF special forces types the other night. They were Combat Controllers stationed at Cannon AFB in nearby Clovis NM. They were very matter-of-fact, pleasant young men without a trace of swaggering macho bullshit. We talked shop for a while. They told me they were about to be deployed to Afghanistan and had been practicing mountain jumps in preparation. (GULP!)

19 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:04:32pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

What is it with the Repulicans and being supported by unliscened people?

I guess it’s just them sticking it to the big government man…

Badges, we don’t need no stinkin badges!

Thugs and Goons are not the guvment puttin real ‘mericans down. They’s just thugs an’ goons…

20 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:05:03pm

re: #19 LudwigVanQuixote

Thugs and Goons are not the guvment puttin real ‘mericans down. They’s just thugs an’ goons…

Goons… hired goons!

21 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:05:32pm

re: #16 yksin

See also comments at [Link: www.adn.com…] — more info on what’s wrong with DropZone’s business licenses, and links to Alaska Statutes about licensing requirements for security guards and body guards.

Heh…I’ll bet Fulton doesn’t hire his own goons for protection:

And William Fulton, head of the DropZone security firm that provided the bodyguards to Miller, told Talking Points Memo he has received death threats and his employees have been called “hired goons.”

22 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:06:49pm

re: #11 Rightwingconspirator

State.

ROFL
I have trained up in use of force. I even disarmed a inebriated or something guard once (long story). When this Miller thing came up I made a couple calls and dug a bit on the net. In California at least not having your license as a security guard is a very big deal. Now Miller has a serious legal problem, of at least Drop Zone does.

Good. May it sink him.

23 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:06:49pm

re: #13 Varek Raith

These clowns make Palpatine’s Storm Troopers look like elite units.
:/

Thats not saying much…

24 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:06:50pm

re: #20 jamesfirecat

Goons… hired goons!

And unlicensed plumbers.
/

Seriously, there’s a whole lot of crazy coming out of the woodwork.

25 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:07:10pm

These assholes are going to go to their local bar and have someone say, “Hey, I saw you on TV taking down that reporter, macho man!” and they’re going to be the joke of their neighborhood…that’s what I call justice.

26 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:08:03pm

re: #23 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Then you see my point.
;)

27 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:08:41pm

Of course the libertarians will be screaming that business licenses are socialist trappings and that if people are willing to pay for the service, it should be ok.

28 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:09:14pm

/oh great now I gotta pay the gubermit to get a piece of paper just to kick someones ass…

29 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:09:48pm

re: #28 brookly red

/oh great now I gotta pay the gubermit to get a piece of paper just to kick someones ass…

I hear bounty hunting is good this time of year….

30 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:10:18pm

re: #6 darthstar

I would think, as they provide armed details, a license might be an issue.

Oh, and check out the local pages reviews of them:
[Link: www.superpages.com…]

Sounds like a bunch of Couch Commandos to me. Just itching for the chance to try out their “mad skillz” on someone Glenn Beck has warned them is a “liberal enemy of America.”

31 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:10:41pm

re: #28 brookly red

/oh great now I gotta pay the gubermit to get a piece of paper just to kick someones ass…

Not in the Brooklyn I came from… has it turned all pansy there too?

32 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:10:47pm

re: #29 jamesfirecat

I hear bounty hunting is good this time of year…

fuck that they take it all in taxes…

33 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:11:01pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

[Link: www.flickr.com…]

Look at these guys. What a sad photo.

This is what happens when you mix inbreeding with fetal alcohol syndrome.

What we learn from this kids, is don’t get drunk and boff your sister.

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:11:05pm

re: #14 Lidane

I’ll bet money this raises Miller’s stock with the Tea Party types. His security team aren’t part of the government, so they’re okay.

They’re an UNREGULATED private business!

Jaysus.

35 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:11:16pm

re: #29 jamesfirecat

I hear bounty hunting is good this time of year…

I hear Dog and Beth will be guests at Miller’s next big event.

//

36 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:11:57pm

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

Not in the Brooklyn I came from… has it turned all pansy there too?

no we just don’t blog so good… what can I say?

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:12:19pm

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

As a name, “Dropzone Security” practically reeks of gunshop commando.

Btw, I met a couple of actual, real-thing AF special forces types the other night. They were Combat Controllers stationed at Cannon AFB in nearby Clovis NM. They were very matter-of-fact, pleasant young men without a trace of swaggering macho bullshit. We talked shop for a while. They told me they were about to be deployed to Afghanistan and had been practicing mountain jumps in preparation. (GULP!)

A guy I know through SCA circles is an honest-to-God ex-Ranger.

He acts like a normal dude, ya know?

Except when very drunk.

38 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:12:55pm

re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote

This is what happens when you mix inbreeding with fetal alcohol syndrome.

What we learn from this kids, is don’t get drunk and boff your sister.

Is this the Alaska thread or the WV thread?

//

39 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:12:56pm

re: #19 LudwigVanQuixote

Thugs and Goons are not the guvment puttin real ‘mericans down. They’s just thugs an’ goons…

And they’re not NOI thugs and goons, who are bad, mmmkay?

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:14:09pm

re: #29 jamesfirecat

I hear bounty hunting is good this time of year…

Yes. As the weather gets brisker, guys are less inclined to lay low in the woods.

41 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:14:12pm

SEIU THUGS!11ty.
Wait…
Whut.
/

42 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:14:26pm

so now it’s not enough to just tax the rich? we gonna tax the big mean & ugly too? sheesh.

43 jaunte  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:14:30pm

re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote

This is what happens when you mix inbreeding with fetal alcohol syndrome.

What we learn from this kids, is don’t get drunk and boff your sister.

That photo needs some theme music.

Youtube Video
44 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:14:40pm

re: #35 researchok

I hear Dog and Beth will be guests at Miller’s next big event.

//

Dog’s in favor of health care reform.

45 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:14:55pm

I bet Miller met with his thugs before the event and told them to handcuff anyone that dare question him on any issues. And if this crazy person gets into congress, the next thing you know he’s gonna be trying to pass laws to handcuff all gays and AGW proponents and evolutionist.

This man must be stopped!

46 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:15:13pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

Dog’s in favor of health care reform.

And Beth is in favor of elective surgery.

/

47 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:15:18pm

re: #42 brookly red

so now it’s not enough to just tax the rich? we gonna tax the big mean & ugly too? sheesh.

/// I say we tax the stupid they’ll never figure it out….

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:15:22pm

re: #41 Varek Raith

SEIU THUGS!11ty.
Wait…
Whut.
/

No, no, these are the NONUNION thugs. Keep up!

49 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:15:37pm

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

Yeah, yeah.
Ok, Mr. Hyperbole.
:P

50 Political Atheist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:15:38pm

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

The Real Deal guys are as quiet and humble as anyone I have met. D_L & I have done one IDPA cross training class for a room of real operators & a couple of instructors from Front Sight. I really felt inadequate to teach this group anything. I admitted as much right up front. They proceeded to make us both feel comfortable teaching them our sport and how to run an event.

Quiet and capable in equal measure.

Respect Squared.

51 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:15:47pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

Dog’s in favor of health care reform.

Yeah remember that spot he did on the daily show with John Oliver?

52 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:16:38pm

re: #49 Varek Raith

Yeah, yeah.
Ok, Mr. Hyperbole.
:P

No… really… I’m outraged…

53 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:16:53pm

re: #35 researchok

I hear Dog and Beth will be guests at Miller’s next big event.

//

No, they are actually charitable, decent people. The Chapmans would go anywhere near that nasty cuss Miller.

54 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:17:36pm

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

I bet Miller met with his thugs before the event and told them to handcuff anyone that dare question him on any issues. And if this crazy person gets into congress, the next thing you know he’s gonna be trying to pass laws to handcuff all gays and AGW proponents and evolutionist.

This man must be stopped!

/yet they made minimum wage while the chick that handcuffed Spitzer made big bucks… so much for the idea that women get payed less.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:17:55pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

No, no, these are the NONUNION thugs. Keep up!

Possibly apocryphal story about Nell Gwynn, one of Charles II’s multiple fancy ladies—tale goes she was riding down the streets of London in one of Charles’s carriages, when the mob misidentifies her as either the queen or one of the Catholic mistresses, and begin to throw stuff at the carriage, yelling about “the Catholic whore”. Nell, despite the driver’s panic, opens the curtains and yells “Good people, pray be civil! I am the PROTESTANT whore!!!”

Whereupon they all cheered.

56 yksin  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:18:08pm

“His employees have been called “hired goons.”

I call them “hired sporting goods store employees.”

57 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:18:15pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

No, they are actually charitable, decent people. The Chapmans would go anywhere near that nasty cuss Miller.

I know.

It was an attempt at levity.

Let me emphasize- it was an attempt.

58 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:18:29pm

via eschaton:

One Baptist Church To Celebrate Halloween By Burning Bibles
CANTON, N.C. (October 13, 2009)—The Amazing Grace Baptist Church in Canton, N.C. will celebrate Halloween by burning Bibles that aren’t the King James Version, as well as music and books and anything else Pastor Marc Grizzard says is a satanic influence.

Among the authors whose books Grizzard plans to burn are well known ministers Rick Warren and Billy Graham because he says they have occasionally used Bibles other than the King James Version, which is the sole biblical source he considers infallible.

According to the church’s Web site, members will also burn “Satan’s music such as country, rap, rock, pop, heavy metal, western, soft and easy, southern gospel, contemporary Christian, jazz, soul (and) oldies.

“We will also be burning Satan’s popular books written by heretics like Billy Graham, Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, John McArthur, James Dobson, Charles Swindoll, John Piper, Chuck Colson, Tony Evans, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swagart, Mark Driskol, Franklin Graham, Bill Bright, Tim Lahaye, Paula White, T.D. Jakes, Benny Hinn, Joyce Myers, Brian McLaren, Robert Schuller, Mother Teresa, The Pope, Rob Bell, Erwin McManus, Donald Miller, Shane Claiborne, Brennan Manning (and) William Young.

During the book burning, according to the Web site, barbecued chicken fried chicken and “all the sides” will be served.

59 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:18:32pm

re: #47 jamesfirecat

/// I say we tax the stupid they’ll never figure it out…

sorry but it seems that they did…

60 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:19:01pm

BBIAB

61 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:19:35pm

Miller time…upside down even…

Youtube Video
62 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:20:14pm

re: #61 darthstar

Miller time…upside down even…


[Video]

is that the same as beer boarding?

63 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:20:55pm

re: #62 brookly red

is that the same as beer boarding?

It’s my favorite scene from Kentucky Fried Movie… Hare Rama, Hare Rama!

64 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:21:21pm

re: #58 engineer dog

via eschaton:

One Baptist Church To Celebrate Halloween By Burning Bibles
CANTON, N.C. (October 13, 2009)—The Amazing Grace Baptist Church in Canton, N.C. will celebrate Halloween by burning Bibles that aren’t the King James Version, as well as music and books and anything else Pastor Marc Grizzard says is a satanic influence.

Among the authors whose books Grizzard plans to burn are well known ministers Rick Warren and Billy Graham because he says they have occasionally used Bibles other than the King James Version, which is the sole biblical source he considers infallible.

According to the church’s Web site, members will also burn “Satan’s music such as country, rap, rock, pop, heavy metal, western, soft and easy, southern gospel, contemporary Christian, jazz, soul (and) oldies.

“We will also be burning Satan’s popular books written by heretics like Billy Graham, Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, John McArthur, James Dobson, Charles Swindoll, John Piper, Chuck Colson, Tony Evans, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swagart, Mark Driskol, Franklin Graham, Bill Bright, Tim Lahaye, Paula White, T.D. Jakes, Benny Hinn, Joyce Myers, Brian McLaren, Robert Schuller, Mother Teresa, The Pope, Rob Bell, Erwin McManus, Donald Miller, Shane Claiborne, Brennan Manning (and) William Young.

During the book burning, according to the Web site, barbecued chicken fried chicken and “all the sides” will be served.

Every time I see this guy’s name, I think of poor old Lewis Grizzard.

65 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:21:21pm

re: #6 darthstar

Your link is brilliant!

I just have to post some of the better quotes from it!

superpages.com

What a bunch of clowns. Gun shop commandos is all they are or ever will be. I hope that reporter sues their “tactical” pants right off them.

Hmmm this sounds a lot like some other screen berets we know!

These brownshirt wannbees must have been bullied quite a bit when they were little boys. They are obviously playing out their fantasies of domination with their tough guy tactics but I guarantee you if any of these Rambos faced real danger and weren’t packing they run off screaming for their mommies.

Could this be where Iron Fist works?

These are a bunch of brown shirted Nazis who don’t know the law. Little boys who bully others on the playground now think it’s okay to do so in real life. Pinheaded, room-temperature-IQ-having, pimpled-dicked douche bags.

It is Iron Fist and Grimcargo! I didn’t know they had a shop in Alaska!

These are the people that have made the word “operator” and “tactical” sour in the mouth of anyone who takes this kind of stuff seriously.

Definitely stalker ilk…

Taped to their door is a sign saying “this is not a *#&%ing museum, don’t come in here to just look at stuff,” which to me, created a nice, amicable atmosphere conducive to the exchange of goods and services.

Savage is clearly the manager…

I then went in looking for a 1911 concealment holster, to which the chubby man decked out in multi-cam told me “we only deal in tactical gear, and concealment ain’t an option when you’re tactical, bro.”

HAHHAHHAAAHHAAA! That would be Former Corpsman on the register! They are all such experts in the *manly* arts of being so very *manly*

Stupid question on my part, I guess, being an OEF and OIF veteran… I then told him I guess I would look around the store for a little bit. As I perused the store, finding several items I was interested in, I heard the previous man and another clerk loudly talking about why there’s “so many $&%*ing ‘just lookers’ today.”

Ahhh the sales panache of Bunk, having to chime in and feel important too….

Half their items are without price tags, and what does is 50% too much, so not desiring any further interaction, I left.

Indeed.

66 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:21:25pm

re: #11 Rightwingconspirator

State.

ROFL
I have trained up in use of force. I even disarmed a inebriated or something guard once (long story). When this Miller thing came up I made a couple calls and dug a bit on the net. In California at least not having your license as a security guard is a very big deal. Now Miller has a serious legal problem, of at least Drop Zone does.

He will know his way to the courthouse, if some blogger’s Alaska docket rip is truly matched:

courtrecords.alaska.gov

67 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:22:09pm

re: #56 yksin

“His employees have been called “hired goons.”

I call them “hired sporting goods store employees.”

Big 5, for all your camping, sporting, and security needs.

68 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:22:19pm

re: #65 LudwigVanQuixote

Most of those ‘reviews’ are from today though…so the place is getting some attention.

69 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:22:53pm
The company belonging Mr. Fulton, who was pictured in the above clips, is currently not licensed for providing security services.

Licensing is fasciticy socialism!
/Tea Party

70 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:22:54pm

re: #58 engineer dog

via eschaton:

One Baptist Church To Celebrate Halloween By Burning Bibles
CANTON, N.C. (October 13, 2009)—The Amazing Grace Baptist Church in Canton, N.C. will celebrate Halloween by burning Bibles that aren’t the King James Version, as well as music and books and anything else Pastor Marc Grizzard says is a satanic influence.

Among the authors whose books Grizzard plans to burn are well known ministers Rick Warren and Billy Graham because he says they have occasionally used Bibles other than the King James Version, which is the sole biblical source he considers infallible.

According to the church’s Web site, members will also burn “Satan’s music such as country, rap, rock, pop, heavy metal, western, soft and easy, southern gospel, contemporary Christian, jazz, soul (and) oldies.

“We will also be burning Satan’s popular books written by heretics like Billy Graham, Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, John McArthur, James Dobson, Charles Swindoll, John Piper, Chuck Colson, Tony Evans, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swagart, Mark Driskol, Franklin Graham, Bill Bright, Tim Lahaye, Paula White, T.D. Jakes, Benny Hinn, Joyce Myers, Brian McLaren, Robert Schuller, Mother Teresa, The Pope, Rob Bell, Erwin McManus, Donald Miller, Shane Claiborne, Brennan Manning (and) William Young.

During the book burning, according to the Web site, barbecued chicken fried chicken and “all the sides” will be served.

““Satan’s music such as country, rap, rock, pop, heavy metal, western, soft and easy, southern gospel, contemporary Christian, jazz, soul (and) oldies.”

What kind of music aren’t they burning?

71 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:23:10pm

re: #43 jaunte

Excellent!

72 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:24:17pm

re: #67 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Big 5, for all your camping, sporting, and security needs.

I tell ya, hire the Division Street Dragon Girls… short, cute, icepicks- all good.

73 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:24:25pm

re: #70 jamesfirecat

““Satan’s music such as country, rap, rock, pop, heavy metal, western, soft and easy, southern gospel, contemporary Christian, jazz, soul (and) oldies.”

What kind of music aren’t they burning?

Hymns

74 Stanley Sea  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:24:57pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

He will know his way to the courthouse, if some blogger’s Alaska docket rip is truly matched:

[Link: www.courtrecords.alaska.gov…]

Alaska bloggers kick ass. I am always on the lookout for my local muckraker blog here in CA, and haven’t yet found it.

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:25:07pm

re: #67 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Big 5, for all your camping, sporting, and security needs.

My high school boys got all their ammo at Big 5.

Back when everyone was fussing about how impossible it was to find ammo anymore, and how the prices were skyrocketing, I asked my students if they were having trouble. They looked confused and said, “We just go to Big 5. They have everything. Or sometimes Justin’s dad gives us his extras.”

76 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:25:18pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

[Link: www.flickr.com…]

Look at these guys. What a sad photo.

What’s that all about?

77 Stanley Sea  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:25:50pm

re: #76 negativ

What’s that all about?

I think they are bounty hunters on the side.

78 Lidane  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:25:50pm

re: #13 Varek Raith

These clowns make Palpatine’s Storm Troopers look like elite units
:/

That’s not saying much. Anyone who can hit the broad side of a barn is an elite unit compared to Palpatine’s Stormtroopers. =P

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:25:56pm

re: #70 jamesfirecat

““Satan’s music such as country, rap, rock, pop, heavy metal, western, soft and easy, southern gospel, contemporary Christian, jazz, soul (and) oldies.”

What kind of music aren’t they burning?

They don’t mention classical. I’m not going to mention it to them, lest they get any ideas.

80 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:26:17pm

re: #74 Stanley Sea

Alaska bloggers kick ass. I am always on the lookout for my local muckraker blog here in CA, and haven’t yet found it.

Long nights in the cabin, nothin’ to do.

81 jaunte  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:26:23pm

re: #70 jamesfirecat

““Satan’s music such as country, rap, rock, pop, heavy metal, western, soft and easy, southern gospel, contemporary Christian, jazz, soul (and) oldies.”

What kind of music aren’t they burning?

Looks like they forgot about anything that’s played outside their county.
worldmusiccentral.org

82 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:27:27pm

Hopfinger should press this issue, and criminal charges if applicable.

83 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:27:34pm

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist

My high school boys got all their ammo at Big 5.

Back when everyone was fussing about how impossible it was to find ammo anymore, and how the prices were skyrocketing, I asked my students if they were having trouble. They looked confused and said, “We just go to Big 5. They have everything. Or sometimes Justin’s dad gives us his extras.”

I’m still waiting for Obama to swoop in and seize all the guns and the ammo. I mean, first he was supposed to do it right after he got sworn in, then they said when the census began, and now 2 weeks from an election and he is still sitting there appearing decidedly non-swoopy. Its got to be a cunning plan on his part.

84 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:27:54pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

I think they are bounty hunters on the side.

Yup. Another shot has one aiming his flashlight-equipped automatic into the house.

85 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:28:05pm

re: #58 engineer dog

via eschaton:

One Baptist Church To Celebrate Halloween By Burning Bibles
CANTON, N.C. (October 13, 2009)—The Amazing Grace Baptist Church in Canton, N.C. will celebrate Halloween by burning Bibles that aren’t the King James Version, as well as music and books and anything else Pastor Marc Grizzard says is a satanic influence.

Among the authors whose books Grizzard plans to burn are well known ministers Rick Warren and Billy Graham because he says they have occasionally used Bibles other than the King James Version, which is the sole biblical source he considers infallible.

According to the church’s Web site, members will also burn “Satan’s music such as country, rap, rock, pop, heavy metal, western, soft and easy, southern gospel, contemporary Christian, jazz, soul (and) oldies.

“We will also be burning Satan’s popular books written by heretics like Billy Graham, Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, John McArthur, James Dobson, Charles Swindoll, John Piper, Chuck Colson, Tony Evans, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swagart, Mark Driskol, Franklin Graham, Bill Bright, Tim Lahaye, Paula White, T.D. Jakes, Benny Hinn, Joyce Myers, Brian McLaren, Robert Schuller, Mother Teresa, The Pope, Rob Bell, Erwin McManus, Donald Miller, Shane Claiborne, Brennan Manning (and) William Young.

During the book burning, according to the Web site, barbecued chicken fried chicken and “all the sides” will be served.

Ah, book burning. What a joyous Christian pastime….

/spits

86 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:28:44pm

re: #83 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I’m still waiting for Obama to swoop in and seize all the guns and the ammo. I mean, first he was supposed to do it right after he got sworn in, then they said when the census began, and now 2 weeks from an election and he is still sitting there appearing decidedly non-swoopy. Its got to be a cunning plan on his part.

he’s not interested in guns, he wants your IRA…

87 Political Atheist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:29:09pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

He will know his way to the courthouse, if some blogger’s Alaska docket rip is truly matched:

[Link: www.courtrecords.alaska.gov…]

Heh. What took so long?

88 freetoken  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:29:20pm

re: #70 jamesfirecat

What kind of music aren’t they burning?

Probably hymns. There are Christian sects and psuedochristian groups that don’t even allow instruments. Some congregations only allow singing from the Psalms.

That event supposedly took place last year - it would be interesting to see if anyone did a followup on it.

89 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:29:30pm

re: #86 brookly red

he’s not interested in guns, he wants your IRA…

I’m not Irish.

90 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:30:04pm

re: #65 LudwigVanQuixote

Your link is brilliant!

I just have to post some of the better quotes from it!

[Link: www.superpages.com…]

Hmmm this sounds a lot like some other screen berets we know!

Could this be where Iron Fist works?

It is Iron Fist and Grimcargo! I didn’t know they had a shop in Alaska!

Definitely stalker ilk…

Savage is clearly the manager…

HAHHAHHAAAHHAAA! That would be Former Corpsman on the register! They are all such experts in the *manly* arts of being so very *manly*

Ahhh the sales panache of Bunk, having to chime in and feel important too…

Indeed.

LMAO! I love it. And its going to drive the Stalkers into a frothing frenzy.

91 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:30:05pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Ah, book burning. What a joyous Christian pastime…

/spits

///But its okay because they’re burning their own religious text!

92 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:30:26pm

re: #89 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I’m not Irish.

your safe then…

93 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:30:35pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Ah, book burning. What a joyous Christian pastime…

/spits

Happens every year about this time. Keeps the kids off the street and out of those horrible halloween costumes. Also give mom and dad a little quality time together.

It’s a tradition.

94 Political Atheist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:31:15pm

BBL

Home Roast pork!

95 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:31:26pm

re: #73 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Hymns

Only those hymns which were approved by King James.

96 Lidane  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:31:27pm

re: #58 engineer dog

One Baptist Church To Celebrate Halloween By Burning Bibles

Uh, yeah. Go on with yer bad self, Marc Grizzard.

I’d hate to be a member of this church. Talk about No Fun.

“We will also be burning Satan’s popular books written by heretics like Billy Graham, Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, John McArthur, James Dobson, Charles Swindoll, John Piper, Chuck Colson, Tony Evans, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swagart, Mark Driskol, Franklin Graham, Bill Bright, Tim Lahaye, Paula White, T.D. Jakes, Benny Hinn, Joyce Myers, Brian McLaren, Robert Schuller, Mother Teresa, The Pope, Rob Bell, Erwin McManus, Donald Miller, Shane Claiborne, Brennan Manning (and) William Young.

What, no Joel Osteen? You’d think he’d be on this list, given all the other names here. Same goes for Joyce Meyer. She’s got a lot of books out there, too.

Man…if these people are heretics, who does he want his congregation to read?

97 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:32:06pm

re: #50 Rightwingconspirator

Yes, the ‘real deal’ are very interested in being unobtrusive & thus, more effective. Hollywood types want to be seen & be in your face. Less effective, IMHO.

98 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:32:10pm

re: #94 Rightwingconspirator

BBL

Home Roast pork!

Nice.

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:32:13pm

re: #91 jamesfirecat

///But its okay because they’re burning their own religious text!

No, they’re burning a satanic text that is deceitfully identified as a christian bible.
/half

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:32:21pm

re: #91 jamesfirecat

///But its okay because they’re burning their own religious text!

Ain’t OK by ME. These people are freaks WITHOUT tails.

101 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:32:26pm

re: #93 Walter L. Newton

Happens every year about this time. Keeps the kids off the street and out of those horrible halloween costumes. Also give mom and dad a little quality time together.

It’s a tradition.

My wife and I go out four times a week

She goes on Mondays and Wednesdays,, I go Tuesdays and Thursdays!!

102 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:33:04pm

re: #94 Rightwingconspirator

BBL

Home Roast pork!

Whose home?

103 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:33:04pm

Good evening Lizards..Another long day at the Office…

104 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:33:07pm

Republicans, Democrats Shift on Whether Gov’t Is a Threat


Overall, 46% of Americans believe the federal government “poses an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens,” little changed from the prior reading in 2006. However, during that time, Republicans’ and Democrats’ views of the government as a threat have shifted dramatically.
105 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:33:13pm

re: #94 Rightwingconspirator

BBL

Home Roast pork!

/burning down your house to get the pigs out seems harsh…

106 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:33:39pm

re: #95 JamesWI

Only those hymns which were approved by King James.

I preferred the King Henry version.
/

107 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:33:44pm

re: #103 HoosierHoops

Good evening Lizards..Another long day at the Office…

feh, I say

FEH

12 hours here yesterday
12 today
12 tomorrow !!!

108 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:34:05pm

re: #93 Walter L. Newton

Happens every year about this time. Keeps the kids off the street and out of those horrible halloween costumes. Also give mom and dad a little quality time together.

It’s a tradition.

Very good deadpan there, Walter. Someone who didn’t know you wouldn’t catch the sarc.

109 Stanley Sea  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:34:11pm

re: #103 HoosierHoops

Good evening Lizards..Another long day at the Office…

You’re adopted team is #1!! (I love Bob Stoops)

110 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:34:14pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

Ain’t OK by ME. These people are freaks WITHOUT tails.

And as everyone knows, freaks are no fun without tails.

111 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:34:26pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

LMAO! I love it. And its going to drive the Stalkers into a frothing frenzy.

As IF, they need any help to get into a feeding frenzy.
LOL!

112 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:34:30pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

A guy I know through SCA circles is an honest-to-God ex-Ranger.

He acts like a normal dude, ya know?

Except when very drunk.

Sounds almost like my San Francisco friend Doug. Also a sniper when in and still scary good.

These dweebs on the other hand would wash out of Infantry school much less anything harder. Here’s hoping they get what they’ve earned and that no-one gets hurt in the process.

113 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:34:59pm

Be right over…
LOL!

114 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:35:30pm

re: #105 brookly red

/burning down your house to get the pigs out seems harsh…

I wonder if he paid his $75 to save it!

115 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:35:35pm

re: #101 sattv4u2

My wife and I go out four times a week

She goes on Mondays and Wednesdays,, I go Tuesdays and Thursdays!!

Really… we have the same schedule up here in Conifer, at the Baptist church. On Mondays and Wednesdays, most of the women folk can be found with their boyfriends at the church, or fucking the pastor, and on Tuesdays and Thursdays most of the men hang around the fellowship hall getting lubed by the church secretary.

Christians are much more fun than most people know.

116 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:35:36pm

re: #103 HoosierHoops

Good evening Lizards..Another long day at the Office…

Gets out the tiny violin…
*waves Hi!*

117 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:35:36pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Very good deadpan there, Walter. Someone who didn’t know you wouldn’t catch the sarc.

Its easier to deadpan on the internet when nobody can hear what you’re saying.

118 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:35:54pm

re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth

And as everyone knows, freaks are no fun without tails.

well yeah… nothing is fun without tail.

119 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:36:04pm

re: #107 sattv4u2

feh, I say

FEH

12 hours here yesterday
12 today
12 tomorrow !!!

I haven’t had a day off this month and 12-14 hour days till Nov…I’m tired..
I’m thinking of saying something stupid.. But you know me..I can’t..*wink*

120 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:36:06pm

re: #112 wlewisiii

It’s been my experience that people who can “walk that walk” almost never “talk that talk”.

121 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:36:14pm

re: #117 jamesfirecat

Its easier to deadpan on the internet when nobody can hear what you’re saying.

You don’t say…

122 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:36:35pm

re: #117 jamesfirecat

Its easier to deadpan on the internet when nobody can hear what you’re saying.

heh ,,, I hear ya!

123 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:37:17pm

re: #117 jamesfirecat

Its easier to deadpan on the internet when nobody can hear what you’re saying.

Most people that know me personally, live and in person, consider my deadpan almost dangerous.

124 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:37:26pm

re: #114 sattv4u2

I wonder if he paid his $75 to save it!

well roast pork a 5 bucks a pound is OK… but still you gotta have a lot of pigs in the house to make it work…

125 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:37:45pm

re: #119 HoosierHoops

I haven’t had a day off this month and 12-14 hour days till Nov…I’m tired..
I’m thinking of saying something stupid.. But you know me..I can’t..*wink*

Did you hear the tiny violin playing?
Mr. Audi 4?
LOL!

126 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:38:05pm

re: #123 Walter L. Newton

Most people that know me personally, live and in person, consider my deadpan almost dangerous.

Deadpan or bedpan?

/rimshot

127 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:38:22pm

re: #123 Walter L. Newton

Most people that know me personally, live and in person, consider my deadpan almost dangerous.

Brooklyn in da house…

128 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:38:27pm

re: #103 HoosierHoops

Good evening Lizards..Another long day at the Office…

Home officed myself today…still in my jammies…it’s getting too cool out to go nekkid all day…and I’m fighting a cold. Thinking about calling in sick again tomorrow so I can watch the Giant’s game.

129 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:38:31pm

re: #88 freetoken

Probably hymns. There are Christian sects and psuedochristian groups that don’t even allow instruments. Some congregations only allow singing from the Psalms.

That event supposedly took place last year - it would be interesting to see if anyone did a followup on it.

This is true among Certain Types of Muslims, too. Nasheeds are religious hymns sung without instrumentation. Musically, some of them are quite beautiful - so long as you don’t find out what the lyrics mean.

Example:

Youtube Video

That was quoted by one of the 9/11 hijackersin his So Long, Gonna Kill Lots Of People Now video.

130 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:39:31pm

re: #128 darthstar

Home officed myself today…still in my jammies…it’s getting too cool out to go nekkid all day…and I’m fighting a cold. Thinking about calling in sick again tomorrow so I can watch the Giant’s game.

Footie jammies, or no footies?
Enquiring minds want to know!

131 Jadespring  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:39:37pm

re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth

It’s been my experience that people who can “walk that walk” almost never “talk that talk”.

This is the truth.

132 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:40:06pm

Ludwig, you should check out Rodan’s “Diary of Daedalus Dorkus”. “Briareus” is trotting out a pathetic FAIL of a rebuttal to your evidence of AGW. It should be worth a laugh.

133 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:40:12pm

re: #124 brookly red

well roast pork a 5 bucks a pound is OK… but still you gotta have a lot of pigs in the house to make it work…

I had leftover pulled pork for lunch…I like buying a 4-6 lb pork butt and slow-cooking it in a chipotle mix I make…then I freeze it in two-serving portions after a day or two of nomming.

134 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:40:15pm

re: #128 darthstar

re: #130 Floral Giraffe

Footie jammies, or no footies?
Enquiring minds want to know!

drop seat for easier ,,umm,,, errr,, nevahmind!

135 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:40:40pm

re: #119 HoosierHoops

You could do it on the telephone, if you wanted to.
Just saying…

136 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:40:51pm

re: #130 Floral Giraffe

Footie jammies, or no footies?
Enquiring minds want to know!

Uggs on my feet (wife insisted - she loves Uggs and got me some slippers which I’ll leave at the ski house in Tahoe in a few weeks when we get our lease).

137 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:40:53pm

Evening lizards!

138 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:41:03pm

re: #133 darthstar

I had leftover pulled pork for lunch…I like buying a 4-6 lb pork butt and slow-cooking it in a chipotle mix I make…then I freeze it in two-serving portions after a day or two of nomming.

I don;t think you should be talking about pulling your pork in mixed comapny

Walter will take offense

139 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:41:46pm

re: #138 sattv4u2

I don;t think you should be talking about pulling your pork in mixed comapny

Walter will take offense

He’s such an O’Donnell sometimes…

140 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:41:47pm

re: #133 darthstar

I had leftover pulled pork for lunch…I like buying a 4-6 lb pork butt and slow-cooking it in a chipotle mix I make…then I freeze it in two-serving portions after a day or two of nomming.

well you are what you eat I guess :)

142 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:42:57pm

re: #140 brookly red

well you are what you eat I guess :)


Great…that makes me a stuffed clam in another twenty minutes…and a chicken thigh with wilted spinach salad after that.

143 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:43:19pm

re: #141 Ojoe

Tonight’s ethereal Towercam evening view. San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.

Sweet image tonight.

144 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:43:43pm

re: #142 darthstar

Great…that makes me a stuffed clam in another twenty minutes…and a chicken thigh with wilted spinach salad after that.

Just don’t need to know where the “wilt”ing manifests itself ,, K !?!?!?

145 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:43:51pm

re: #138 sattv4u2

I don;t think you should be talking about pulling your pork in mixed comapny

Walter will take offense

I smite you in the name of Walter!

(private security)

146 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:44:28pm

re: #141 Ojoe

Tonight’s ethereal Towercam evening view. San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.

Wow ,, all those people not allowed to smoke indoors really cloud up the picture, huh !?!?!

147 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:45:07pm

re: #142 darthstar

Great…that makes me a stuffed clam in another twenty minutes…and a chicken thigh with wilted spinach salad after that.

stuffed clams & chicken? you in New England?

148 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:45:31pm

re: #133 darthstar

I had leftover pulled pork for lunch…I like buying a 4-6 lb pork butt and slow-cooking it in a chipotle mix I make…then I freeze it in two-serving portions after a day or two of nomming.

Hate pork….Who wants to eat a pig?
Guess I picked the wrong year to move to Oklahoma..Big pig eaters here..

149 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:46:23pm

re: #141 Ojoe

Beautiful, but much wetter than I would expect for an observatory site.

150 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:46:47pm

It’s snowing here… lightly… gentle…

151 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:47:03pm

re: #148 HoosierHoops

Hate pork…Who wants to eat a pig?
Guess I picked the wrong year to move to Oklahoma..Big pig eaters here..

you always did seem a bit jihady to me…

152 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:47:41pm

re: #148 HoosierHoops

Hate pork…Who wants to eat a pig?
Guess I picked the wrong year to move to Oklahoma..Big pig eaters here..

I’m sure theres some small ones too

I’ve been to OK. Not everyones fat!

153 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:47:59pm

re: #150 Walter L. Newton

It’s snowing here… lightly… gentle…

then monumental…

154 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:48:27pm

re: #147 brookly red

stuffed clams & chicken? you in New England?

California…had a stuffed clam in the freezer and need to cook some chicken I thawed for yesterday but didn’t cook. Got two dogs and a cat offering to help with whatever I make…wife’s busy with an event at the ballpark and then three games against the asshole Phillies this week, so I’m on “don’t let food go to waste” duty.

155 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:48:51pm

re: #70 jamesfirecat

““Satan’s music such as country, rap, rock, pop, heavy metal, western, soft and easy, southern gospel, contemporary Christian, jazz, soul (and) oldies.”

What kind of music aren’t they burning?

Reggae.

156 JRCMYP  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:48:56pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

Nice. Stalking and sexual assault. Now THATs who I want on my security detail.

157 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:49:05pm

re: #148 HoosierHoops

Hate pork…Who wants to eat a pig?
Guess I picked the wrong year to move to Oklahoma..Big pig eaters here..

Try slow-roasted pork…tender, juicy, and delicious.

158 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:49:13pm

re: #150 Walter L. Newton

It’s snowing here… lightly… gentle…

What means snowing?

159 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:49:24pm

And on that note,,

The long quiet ride home awaits

160 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:49:43pm

re: #154 darthstar

California…had a stuffed clam in the freezer and need to cook some chicken I thawed for yesterday but didn’t cook. Got two dogs and a cat offering to help with whatever I make…wife’s busy with an event at the ballpark and then three games against the asshole Phillies this week, so I’m on “don’t let food go to waste” duty.

God hates it if you waste food…

161 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:50:06pm

re: #158 Mr Pancakes

What means snowing?

Never mind… I don’t know how to explain it.

162 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:50:32pm

re: #156 JRCMYP

Nice. Stalking and sexual assault. Now THATs who I want on my security detail.

how much you paying?

163 Stanley Sea  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:50:52pm

The comedians are loose tonight.

164 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:51:12pm

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

Never mind… I don’t know how to explain it.

No prob….. Obdicut would probably disagree with you and call you out on it.

165 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:51:35pm

re: #159 sattv4u2

And on that note,,

The long quiet ride home awaits

Turn on the radio!

166 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:51:53pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

The comedians are loose tonight.

awwww what do you know about humor?

167 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:52:02pm

re: #164 Mr Pancakes

No prob… Obdicut would probably disagree with you and call you out on it.

Well… if you were trying to imitate him… you did a good job… now I will ignore you too.

168 Jadespring  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:52:37pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

The comedians are loose tonight.

At first I read that as Canadians are loose tonight.

169 Stanley Sea  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:52:45pm

re: #166 brookly red

awww what do you know about humor?

Not much sometimes.

Although I just read a comment comparing Junior Seau to Toonces on another blog. I laughed.

170 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:53:06pm

re: #158 Mr Pancakes

What means snowing?


It means my best friend (left, with long since destroyed toy) has to stay home on weekends while I wear my favorite back-pack (right) - about 20lbs of first aid and avalanche gear I get to wear while skiing.

Image: CIMG1373.jpg

171 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:53:32pm

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

Never mind… I don’t know how to explain it.

Oh! OH! Can I?

Tiny frozen drops of water, that fall from the sky!
Each one, is a different pattern!
We do NOT have them in Southern California.

172 JRCMYP  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:53:47pm

re: #162 brookly red

how much you paying?

Paying in clean underwear and teeth.

173 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:54:12pm

re: #169 Stanley Sea

Not much sometimes.

Although I just read a comment comparing Junior Seau to Toonces on another blog. I laughed.

OK well I guess that is funny… wtf is Toonces ?

174 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:54:38pm

re: #172 JRCMYP

Paying in clean underwear and teeth.

got them already… no thanks

175 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:54:45pm

re: #171 Floral Giraffe

Oh! OH! Can I?

Tiny frozen drops of water, that fall from the sky!
Each one, is a different pattern!
We do NOT have them in Southern California.

Yes you do…on the Grapevine - shuts down I-5 for a day at a time usually…which is reason #436 not to live in Southern California.

176 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:54:45pm

re: #148 HoosierHoops

Hate pork…Who wants to eat a pig?
Guess I picked the wrong year to move to Oklahoma..Big pig eaters here..

Ham, bacon, pork BBQ, sausage, bratwurst, hot dogs, pork chops, baby back ribs, etc….you are missing something special.

177 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:55:22pm

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

Well… if you were trying to imitate him… you did a good job… now I will ignore you too.

I was not….. I was being snarky.

178 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:55:28pm

The scanner news is busy tonight… so much excitement up here in the sticks…


A car has lost control between the Sub station and the fire house in Bailey . There is minor damage to the vech. and it’s occupants have been moved to the fire station. waiting on state or PCSO to make their appearance fire standing down

PCSO on scene all fire units standing down the car has slid partway off the road and blocking both lanes, should be cleared up and highway re-opened soon.

Abandoned vech 285 Log lane in the median - Elk creek fire has located a abandoned vech

Owner have returned Jeffco sheriff is on scene. Elk Creek standing down

Takes your breath away.

179 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:56:11pm

re: #173 brookly red

OK well I guess that is funny… wtf is Toonces ?

Toonces the driving cat…great driver. Old not so crappy skit from SNL.

Youtube Video
180 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:56:13pm

re: #170 darthstar

It means my best friend (left, with long since destroyed toy) has to stay home on weekends while I wear my favorite back-pack (right) - about 20lbs of first aid and avalanche gear I get to wear while skiing.

Image: CIMG1373.jpg

If you’re LUCKY…
You can rescue the giraffe, after a day of skiing with Dave, on chair 3.
Or, if the giraffe is lucky, she will get a second day of skiing with Dave, anywhere! Bless that man!

181 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:56:17pm

re: #165 HoosierHoops

Turn on the radio!

You don’t get it

After being in here with constant noise ,, I WANT a long quiet ride home!

182 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:56:20pm

re: #171 Floral Giraffe

Oh! OH! Can I?

Tiny frozen drops of water, that fall from the sky!
Each one, is a different pattern!
We do NOT have them in Southern California.

Sure we do…… you just have to go to the mountains.

183 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:56:36pm

re: #177 Mr Pancakes

I was not… I was being snarky.

Walter tooks out da hit… nows take it likes a man.

184 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:57:25pm

re: #160 brookly red

God hates it if you waste food…

I was unaware that you had taken to referring to me as “God”.
This development… pleases me.

185 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:57:42pm

re: #179 darthstar

Toonces the driving cat…great driver. Old not so crappy skit from SNL.


[Video]

I think that’s Dana Carvey and that idiot teabagger gal in the skit.

186 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:58:19pm

re: #169 Stanley Sea

Not much sometimes.

Although I just read a comment comparing Junior Seau to Toonces on another blog. I laughed.

I feel for Junior..He could not control his anger with his girlfriend then he drove his SUV off a cliff…Me thinks playing a violent game for so many years really effen messes up your head…The deep dark secret of sports is that your emotions drive you off a cliff in real life…I hope he recovers and gets his life back together…

187 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:59:09pm

Meghan McCain has been thoroughly excommunicated by the modern GOP. Why is she still trying to make that bad relationship work?

188 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:59:21pm

re: #184 Slumbering Behemoth

I was unaware that you had taken to referring to me as “God”.
This development… pleases me.

careful…

189 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:59:55pm

re: #183 brookly red

Walter tooks out da hit… nows take it likes a man.

I’m the only one that updings him anymore……. and for that I get ignored.

I admire the guy for going into work early when asked and working graveyard……..

190 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:00:40pm

re: #169 Stanley Sea

Not much sometimes.

Although I just read a comment comparing Junior Seau to Toonces on another blog. I laughed.

That’s funny.

191 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:00:43pm

re: #180 Floral Giraffe

If you’re LUCKY…
You can rescue the giraffe, after a day of skiing with Dave, on chair 3.
Or, if the giraffe is lucky, she will get a second day of skiing with Dave, anywhere! Bless that man!

I’m a good sled handler, but you don’t want me rescuing you…I’m known for getting the sled to first aid at record speed…Last year, I took a guy (fortunately he was quite stoned at the time) straight down an advanced run in heavy snow…the pro driving the snow mobile to tow us back around to the front side of the mountain said, “Holy shit! That was fast!” (I had little choice…snow was so heavy due to a warm dump that turning was near impossible…had I lost it, both the patient and I would have been in deep shit).

192 Max  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:00:49pm

Newest hate-mongering title from Fox News:

Justice Department Wades Into Tennessee Mosque Controversy on Side of Islam

Yep. The Justice Department isn’t protecting for the American value of religious freedom, it is fighting for Islam. Booga! Booga!

193 freetoken  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:00:51pm

re: #187 Charles

I envision her showing up at a Christmas party at her parents… and being surrounded by… silence.

194 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:01:04pm

re: #189 Mr Pancakes

I’m the only one that updings him anymore… and for that I get ignored.

I admire the guy for going into work early when asked and working graveyard…

look I am just doing a job here… nothing personal.

195 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:01:58pm

re: #187 Charles

Meghan McCain has been thoroughly excommunicated by the modern GOP. Why is she still trying to make that bad relationship work?

She’s just trying to be loyal to her daddy. When he goes, she’ll become another Arianna Huffington - liberal and unashamed of it.

196 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:02:09pm

re: #187 Charles

Meghan McCain has been thoroughly excommunicated by the modern GOP. Why is she still trying to make that bad relationship work?

Nostalgia. She must have grown up among a bunch of sane GOPers.

197 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:02:41pm

re: #187 Charles

Meghan McCain has been thoroughly excommunicated by the modern GOP. Why is she still trying to make that bad relationship work?

Because she loves her father, and won’t do anything to hurt him.

198 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:02:55pm

re: #188 brookly red

careful…

Careful? Why should I be? If I am your god… wait, wait just a damn minute.

Your in one of those weird cults that likes to eat the flesh of their god, or toss him into a volcano or something like that, aren’t you? Forget that noise, I quit!

199 Max  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:03:29pm

re: #192 Max D. Reinhardt

Newest hate-mongering title from Fox News:

Yep. The Justice Department isn’t protecting for the American value of religious freedom, it is fighting for Islam. Booga! Booga!

Woops. I linked to Fox News and not to a href=”littlegreenfootballs.com>my page.

200 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:05:18pm

re: #198 Slumbering Behemoth

Careful? Why should I be? If I am your god… wait, wait just a damn minute.

Your in one of those weird cults that likes to eat the flesh of their god, or toss him into a volcano or something like that, aren’t you? Forget that noise, I quit!

awww Barry at least wait till 2012…

201 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:05:24pm

re: #199 Max D. Reinhardt

Woops. I linked to Fox News and not to a href=”[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]>my page.

Fox: “Fair and Balanced”: Yes the quotes are there for a reason, we say we’re fair and balanced when we’re really shills.

202 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:05:36pm

re: #168 Jadespring

At first I read that as Canadians are loose tonight.

I’m not sure I’d rate us Canadians as comedians. We can be witty but only in spurts. /

203 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:06:15pm

Excuse me while I make my Mexican wife “gringo” enchiladas.

She demands it cuz they are better than hers…. he he he he shhhhhh.

204 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:06:58pm

re: #203 Mr Pancakes

Excuse me while I make my Mexican wife “gringo” enchiladas.

Kinky…

205 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:07:14pm

re: #187 Charles

Meghan McCain has been thoroughly excommunicated by the modern GOP. Why is she still trying to make that bad relationship work?

Old habits, die hard?
And, bad habits are hard to break!

206 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:07:18pm

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

Because she loves her father, and won’t do anything to hurt him.

Yep

207 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:07:51pm

re: #187 Charles

Meghan McCain has been thoroughly excommunicated by the modern GOP. Why is she still trying to make that bad relationship work?

She probably feels a certain loyalty to the party of her father. I don’t understand it either since some of the nastiest attacks I’ve seen on McCain have come from his fellow Republicans not Democrats.

208 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:08:07pm

re: #200 brookly red

awww Barry Bobby at least wait till 2012…

FTFY, considering the volcano reference in the previous post.

209 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:09:03pm

mammothlakes.info

Dave Mccoy.
Someone who DID something.
NOT political!

210 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:09:43pm

re: #208 Slumbering Behemoth

FTFY, considering the volcano reference in the previous post.

what ever I don’t get paid for volcanoes…

211 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:10:08pm

re: #203 Mr Pancakes

Excuse me while I make my Mexican wife “gringo” enchiladas.

She demands it cuz they are better than hers… he he he he shhh.

Is that what you kids are calling it these days?

212 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:10:50pm

I’m Waking Up to Us

Youtube Video
213 Max  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:11:02pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

She probably feels a certain loyalty to the party of her father. I don’t understand it either since some of the nastiest attacks I’ve seen on McCain have come from his fellow Republicans not Democrats.

She was an Independent before her father ran for president. Maybe she should think about going back.

214 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:12:12pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

I’m Waking Up to Us

[Video]

I read that as “I’m Wanking Up to Us” - cue O’Donnell admonition.

215 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:13:15pm

re: #213 Max D. Reinhardt

She was an Independent before her father ran for president. Maybe she should think about going back.

She might also consider retiring to a non-public life.
The public life has lost a LOT of respect among the voters.
To put it mildly…

216 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:14:02pm

re: #213 Max D. Reinhardt

She was an Independent before her father ran for president. Maybe she should think about going back.


Didn’t know that. And I just remembered her saying she supported and voted for Kerry in 04. I guess she feels she can moderate the GOP but it’s a lost cause honestly since the rank and file Republicans supported her dad reluctantly and they probably don’t have much use for his socially liebral daughter either.

217 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:14:18pm

re: #215 Floral Giraffe

She could move in with me. I’m a great cook.

218 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:14:20pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

I liked “Suki in the Graveyard”, so I tried to learn more about the group. Belle is a Great Pyrenees.

219 Max  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:14:29pm

Meghan McCain also has an image problem. She’s reviled by Republicans because she’s seen as one of these conservatives that the liberal media loves to bring on their shows because she bashes her own.

McCain also likes to call herself a “Progressive Republican,” which everyone can agree is an oxymoron. It is because she takes a “liberal” stance on the two red meat social issues and on climate change. She’d do better to call herself an “Independent Republican” or a “Libertarian Republican.”

220 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:14:30pm

re: #215 Floral Giraffe

She might also consider retiring to a non-public life.
The public life has lost a LOT of respect among the voters.
To put it mildly…

good point…

I don’t like anyone who runs…

221 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:15:16pm

re: #217 Slumbering Behemoth

She could move in with me. I’m a great cook.

this is not craigs list….

222 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:15:39pm

re: #204 brookly red

No…. that would be a warm torta.

223 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:16:09pm

re: #221 brookly red

I made no mention of “roses” being a part of the exchange.

224 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:16:57pm

re: #222 Mr Pancakes

No… that would be a warm torta.

you mean like a pancake?

225 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:17:49pm

re: #224 brookly red

you mean like a pancake?

No… more like a pig in a blanket.

226 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:17:59pm

re: #2 SanFranciscoZionist

Are they required to be licensed by state or local regs?

They should be…for example, here in Tennessee, ANY company that wishes to hire out private security guards (armed or unarmed) must be licensed with the TN Department of Commerce & Insurance, be bonded and insured, and meet certain guidelines to operate as a security company in the state. Guards also must be licensed by the Department of Commerce and Insurance as well.

Hell, even in my current job as an alarm company employee, my company and any employee that deals directly with the public, such as salespeople, technicians, and central station operators (which I am one), must also be licensed by the Department of Commerce & Insurance.

It’s all all regulating minimum standards and safeguarding consumer protections from the likes of shady operators, such as these Drop Zone goons.

227 Vambo  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:20:49pm

Crystal Cathedral megachurch files for bankruptcy…

news.yahoo.com

GARDEN GROVE, Calif. – Crystal Cathedral, the megachurch birthplace of the televangelist show “Hour of Power,” filed for bankruptcy Monday in Southern California after struggling to emerge from debt that exceeds $43 million.

In addition to a $36 million mortgage, the Orange County-based church owes $7.5 million to several hundred vendors for services ranging from advertising to the use of live animals in Easter and Christmas services.

The church had been negotiating a repayment plan with vendors, but several filed lawsuits seeking quicker payment, which prompted a coalition formed by creditors to fall apart.

228 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:21:08pm

re: #226 talon_262

They should be…for example, here in Tennessee, ANY company that wishes to hire out private security guards (armed or unarmed) must be licensed with the TN Department of Commerce & Insurance, be bonded and insured, and meet certain guidelines to operate as a security company in the state. Guards also must be licensed by the Department of Commerce and Insurance as well.

Hell, even in my current job as an alarm company employee, my company and any employee that deals directly with the public, such as salespeople, technicians, and central station operators (which I am one), must also be licensed by the Department of Commerce & Insurance.

It’s all all regulating minimum standards and safeguarding consumer protections from the likes of shady operators, such as these Drop Zone goons.

Upding for proper use of the word “Goons”. Remember, it’s “Union Thugs”, and “Strikebreakng Goons”. The amenities will be observed.

229 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:22:58pm

re: #226 talon_262

They should be…for example, here in Tennessee, ANY company that wishes to hire out private security guards (armed or unarmed) must be licensed with the TN Department of Commerce & Insurance, be bonded and insured, and meet certain guidelines to operate as a security company in the state. Guards also must be licensed by the Department of Commerce and Insurance as well.

Hell, even in my current job as an alarm company employee, my company and any employee that deals directly with the public, such as salespeople, technicians, and central station operators (which I am one), must also be licensed by the Department of Commerce & Insurance.

It’s all all regulating minimum standards and safeguarding consumer protections from the likes of shady operators, such as these Drop Zone goons.

Rs have drop zone goons… Ds have union thugs… a strong arm is a strong arm.

230 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:23:06pm

re: #226 talon_262

And might I add, one major thing that the TN Department of Commerce & Insurance requires when licensing security companies and their employees is criminal background checks…both when I worked as a guard (for Pinkerton in my day job and moonlighting for Rock Solid Security for entertainment gigs) and for my current job at an alarm company, I had fingerprints and criminal background checks done by the TBI and the FBI.

231 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:24:00pm

re: #227 Vambo

Clearly, an anti-christian agenda is at work here.
/

232 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:24:01pm

re: #230 talon_262

And might I add, one major thing that the TN Department of Commerce & Insurance requires when licensing security companies and their employees is criminal background checks…both when I worked as a guard (for Pinkerton in my day job and moonlighting for Rock Solid Security for entertainment gigs) and for my current job at an alarm company, I had fingerprints and criminal background checks done by the TBI and the FBI.

And Pinkertons were the ur-Goons.

233 Jadespring  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:24:51pm

re: #227 Vambo

I played a concert in that church. It’s a pretty amazing building.

234 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:26:40pm

re: #225 Mr Pancakes

No… more like a pig in a blanket.

One of my most award child hood memories was my father offering them to my neighbor… he: did you ever have a pig in a blanket?” she: “had em, fuck I married him!”

235 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:27:47pm

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

Is that what you kids are calling it these days?

You kids? This year I qualified for the senior discount at Carrows.

236 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:28:05pm

re: #227 Vambo

Very amazing building. A lot of work to make it acoustically sound right.
Very sad, to see the “little guy” vendors getting stiffed.
It’s still a beautiful building, just not beautifully run.

237 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:28:27pm

re: #232 Decatur Deb

And Pinkertons were the ur-Goons.

Yeah, the strikebreaking (and worse) bits were neatly tucked out of sight of the official Pinkerton corporate history by the time I was working for them (1995-2003), but they’d been a full-on modern corporate security firm for a long time then. Besides, a job’s a job, as long as it’s legal and the work is decent…left them for greener pastures long ago.

240 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:29:42pm

re: #236 Floral Giraffe

Very amazing building. A lot of work to make it acoustically sound right.
Very sad, to see the “little guy” vendors getting stiffed.
It’s still a beautiful building, just not beautifully run.

Is there room for a crystal minaret? Perhaps it can be re-purposed.

241 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:30:28pm

re: #186 HoosierHoops

I feel for Junior..He could not control his anger with his girlfriend then he drove his SUV off a cliff…Me thinks playing a violent game for so many years really effen messes up your head…The deep dark secret of sports is that your emotions drive you off a cliff in real life…I hope he recovers and gets his life back together…

He needs some time, to figure it all out…

242 jaunte  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:31:15pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

The screams of protest would shatter all the windows.

244 Kruk  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:32:46pm

re: #13 Varek Raith

These clowns make Palpatine’s Storm Troopers look like elite units.
:/

Bah! Storm Troopers are pussies. Now, the Imperial Guard….

245 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:33:44pm

re: #239 talon_262

Whoops….formatting fail.

246 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:33:46pm

re: #244 Kruk

Bah! Storm Troopers are pussies. Now, the Imperial Guard…

We have but one simple duty, we die standing.

247 jaunte  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:34:00pm

re: #227 Vambo

In addition to a $36 million mortgage, the Orange County-based church owes $7.5 million to several hundred vendors for services ranging from advertising to the use of live animals in Easter and Christmas services.


It’s a sad day when you can’t trust a sheep renter to pay you back.

248 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:34:05pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

Is there room for a crystal minaret? Perhaps it can be re-purposed.

There’s a very nice ?Raphael Sorriano building on the site, in addition to the phillip Johnson Crystal Cathedral. Very architecturally noteworthy piece of property.

249 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:34:26pm

re: #244 Kruk

Bah! Storm Troopers are pussies. Now, the Imperial Guard…

you need to hire The Division Street Dragon Girls…

250 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:35:15pm

re: #247 jaunte

It’s a sad day when you can’t trust a sheep renter to pay you back.

ewww, who wants a used sheep!

251 freetoken  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:36:19pm

re: #243 Slumbering Behemoth

“Your eyes are like arpeggios on fire.”

I’ll try to remember that one.

252 Jadespring  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:37:20pm

Bleh, my brain is fried. I’m reading everything wrong right now.

253 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:39:12pm

The Geller-thing is raging like a lunatic at Jeffrey Goldberg tonight.

Jeffrey Goldberg, something of a Jewicidal jihadist and would-be annihilationist of Israel, ignores my numerous refutations of this libel. I fiercely disagree with Terre’blanche’s ideas, but I don’t believe he (or anyone else) should be viciously hacked to death for their ideas by supremacists. Apparently Goldberg is a supporter of vigiliantism. I am not.

Goldberg echoes co-conspirator, Hamas linked CAIR’s talking points, and steals their talking points. Surprised? Me neither. These anti-semites deserve each other.

“Co-conspirator, Hamas linked CAIR’s talking points” — well, that would be me.

254 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:39:32pm

Sheep May Safely Graze

Youtube Video

/Namaste, Y’all
255 Political Atheist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:39:38pm

re: #250 brookly red

Ba a a a d

256 Kruk  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:39:45pm

re: #242 jaunte

The screams of protest would shatter all the windows.

Heh. It just might be worth it, though.

257 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:40:22pm

re: #255 Rightwingconspirator

Ba a a a d

well at least someone got it…

258 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:41:45pm

re: #246 jamesfirecat

re: #244 Kruk

Bah! Storm Troopers are pussies. Now, the Imperial Guard…

We have but one simple duty, we die standing.

I prefer the US Army’s duty: Make the other guys die instead.

259 What, me worry?  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:42:18pm

Did someone post this one?

July 19, 2010
Supporters Of Palin-Backed Senate Candidate [Joe Miller] In Alaska Parade With Guns (VIDEO)

260 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:42:28pm

re: #253 Charles

Well, she does disavow vigilantism. Guess Danosha is on her own.

261 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:42:40pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

Youtube Video

Look out for the trees!
262 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:43:21pm

re: #260 Decatur Deb

Well, she does disavow vigilantism. Guess Danosha is on her own.

she could hire private security…

263 jaunte  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:46:36pm

re: #253 Charles

I fiercely disagree with Terre’blanche’s ideas


Does she have any evidence of this disagreement? I couldn’t find any.

264 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:48:27pm

Giving neo-Nazis a dose of their own medicine

Something’s rotten in the state of Germany. And according to the Front of German Apples, it’s fruit. These are hard times for the German fruit, they say. First of all, they are being cross-bred with foreign species — like citrus fruits —and losing their botanical purity. Second, fruits from the south are out of control. German children are all of a sudden eating bananas, pineapples and kiwis, whilst apples and pears are left behind in their order of preferences. The only solution, insist the Front of German Apples, is to close the borders. Finally, there are far too many fruits falling to the ground and rotting. Something must be done so they are not left there, but contribute to the health and wellbeing of German society — maybe fruit purée.

For six years now, the Front of German Apples has taken to the streets every time neo-Nazis make a public appearance, to take a sarcastic jab at them. And to defend the future of German fruit, of course. This weekend saw the latest neo-Nazi rally, even though it was only a minor event involving about a hundred people due to a court order curtailing their proposed march. And, as usual, the Front of German Apples also came out to demonstrate.

265 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:48:34pm

re: #263 jaunte

Does she have any evidence of this disagreement? I couldn’t find any.

Well, NOW she “fiercely disagrees,” because she was forced to actually learn something about the evil white supremacist she supported, and it really makes her look bad. So she’s making a lot of noise.

This is one despicable human being.

266 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:48:58pm

re: #246 jamesfirecat

We have but one simple duty, we die standing.

“When you decide to die, remember to give your enemy the same honour.”

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:49:20pm

re: #263 jaunte

Does she have any evidence of this disagreement? I couldn’t find any.

I can’t see why she would disagree at all. His crap is the same as hers—‘they’ are out to get us.

God, the drivel her little friends spewed over that dumb bastard that climbed the altar in the Duomo. They’re insane.

268 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:49:37pm

re: #266 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

“When you decide to die, remember to give your enemy the same honour.”

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.”

269 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:49:50pm

re: #253 Charles

The Geller-thing is raging like a lunatic at Jeffrey Goldberg tonight.

“Co-conspirator, Hamas linked CAIR’s talking points” — well, that would be me.

She’s not “a supporter of vigiliantism”? Excuse me for a minute:

HA HA HA HA HAAA!

Tell us another whopper, Shrieky!

270 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:52:22pm

re: #258 wlewisiii

I prefer the US Army’s duty: Make the other guys die instead.

Just like Patton said (well, the movie version of him, played by George C. Scott):

I want you to remember, that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.

Patton may have never really said it, but it sounds right up his alley and like something he would say.

271 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:53:49pm

re: #268 Varek Raith

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.”

AFAIK, Patton never really said that quote (George C. Scott [as Patton] said it in Patton)…see my above post.

;-P

272 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:54:41pm

re: #264 Walter L. Newton

Good stuff, Walter, mockery is sometimes the best medicine. (I think the red and white flags, even with apples, will cause some uneasiness.)

273 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:55:07pm

re: #271 talon_262

AFAIK, Patton never really said that quote (George C. Scott [as Patton] said it in Patton)…see my above post.

;-P

Actual quote:

“No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.”
- Attributed to General George Patton Jr

274 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:55:44pm

Evening Honcos.

275 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:56:16pm

re: #265 Charles

Well, NOW she “fiercely disagrees,” because she was forced to actually learn something about the evil white supremacist she supported, and it really makes her look bad. So she’s making a lot of noise.

This is one despicable human being.

I read her screed.

She’s going down with the ship. She has to because otherwise she would have to publicly admit she deliberately entered into relationships with bigots and other vile ideologues to further her own agenda. She would also have to admit she mislead her readers and did so deliberately. She’s back pedaling now because she’s been busted- and she would have to eat crow and acknowledge LGF was right about her and her associations all along

She just doesn’t have it in her to admit to that and never will.

276 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:56:57pm

re: #268 Varek Raith

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.”

No, no, no…

the object of war is to win. think on that.

277 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:57:52pm

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

Actual quote:

Wikiquote on George S. Patton

278 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:58:01pm

re: #276 brookly red

No, no, no…

the object of war is to win. think on that.

Kill the opponent and break stuff.

279 PT Barnum  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:59:30pm

Evening everybody…having a very bad day..lost my ATM card yesterday,and appear to have misplaced my wife’s card today. If anyone has a spare couch I can sleep on for a month or two, let me know.

280 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:00:06pm

re: #277 talon_262

Wikiquote on George S. Patton

I love this quote:


“Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler. Just like I’d shoot a snake!”
- General George S. Patton, Jr
281 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:01:16pm

re: #276 brookly red

No, no, no…

the object of war is to win. think on that.

That’s also the object of ‘the Westing Game’. Coincidence?

282 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:01:19pm

re: #278 Cannadian Club Akbar

Kill the opponent and break stuff.

Superlasers.

283 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:01:48pm

Man, the Yankees are sucking like an open air lock on the space shuttle tonight.

284 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:02:02pm

re: #278 Cannadian Club Akbar

Kill the opponent and break stuff.

if that is what it takes to win… it might be a less obvious more insidious strategy that wins. in fact if you do it right the enemy never knows that they were at war let alone lost it…

285 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:02:09pm

re: #282 Varek Raith

Superlasers.

On carp
(HT-FBV)

286 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:02:34pm

re: #278 Cannadian Club Akbar

Kill the opponent and break stuff.

And in the 21st century, a modern army’s job should be to only kill as many people (combatants, not noncombatants) and break as much stuff as it takes to complete your mission objectives…indiscriminate carpet- and firebombing like we saw in WWII is no longer and should not be a viable or an acceptable option.

287 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:02:52pm

re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s also the object of ‘the Westing Game’. Coincidence?

I have no idea what that is…

288 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:03:32pm

re: #284 brookly red

if that is what it takes to win… it might be a less obvious more insidious strategy that wins. in fact if you do it right the enemy never knows that they were at war let alone lost it…

Ah, the Islamist strategy.

289 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:03:39pm

re: #283 darthstar

Man, the Yankees are sucking like an open air lock on the space shuttle tonight.

HOW ABOUT THEM COWBOYS!
Lol.

290 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:03:58pm

re: #286 talon_262

Agree. This is why we have smart bombs.

291 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:04:37pm

The other good news to come out of the Geller debacle will be the blow back Spenser experiences.

292 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:05:39pm

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

Ah, the Islamist strategy.

only one of many… imagine concurring great nations slowly and never firing a shot.

293 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:05:57pm

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

On carp
(HT-FBV)

Could you do it with koi and goldfish?

294 jaunte  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:06:45pm

re: #275 researchok

I read her screed.

She’s going down with the ship. She has to because otherwise she would have to publicly admit she deliberately entered into relationships with bigots and other vile ideologues to further her own agenda. She would also have to admit she mislead her readers and did so deliberately. She’s back pedaling now because she’s been busted- and she would have to eat crow and acknowledge LGF was right about her and her associations all along

She just doesn’t have it in her to admit to that and never will.

Anyone who ever looked at Terreblanche on Youtube would know what he was about, and who supported him.

Youtube Video
295 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:07:01pm

re: #293 talon_262

Could you do it with koi and goldfish?

They have lasers. Put it on a trout!!

296 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:07:35pm

re: #295 Cannadian Club Akbar

They have lasers. Put it on a trout!!

Those trout will kill and gore ya!
/I made a funny!

297 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:07:36pm

re: #290 Cannadian Club Akbar

Agree. This is why we have smart bombs.

Smart boobs? They’re better…

298 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:08:03pm

‘Nite, all.

299 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:08:33pm

re: #297 Floral Giraffe

Smart boobs? They’re better…

I (heart) boobs.:)

300 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:08:37pm

re: #290 Cannadian Club Akbar

Agree. This is why we have smart bombs.

As much bitching has been made about ROEs in Iraq and AfPak by certain people, there’s a reason for them: the history (and consequences) of warfare from the dawn of time though (at least) the Vietnam War.

301 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:09:06pm

re: #296 Varek Raith

Those trout will kill and gore ya!
/I made a funny!

“I kill me!”

/ALF

302 Stanley Sea  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:09:11pm

Omg, what??? Bristol Palin and partner wore gorilla suits for their dance tonight on Dancing with the Stars.

Must see TV (not, but wow)

tv.gawker.com

303 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:09:45pm

re: #297 Floral Giraffe

Smart boobs? They’re better…

all boobs are smart, they may not realize it but yes they are…

304 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:10:12pm

re: #298 Decatur Deb

‘Nite, all.

Namaste, good night, and auf wiedersehen for now…

305 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:10:22pm

re: #294 jaunte

Anyone who ever looked at Terreblanche on Youtube would know what he was about, and who supported him.

[Video]

Not just him.

The EDL, WDL, etc as well as a host of other right wing organization never hid their ideology.

It is ironic to note Geller chose only to associate with the racist right wingers with cadres of jack booted thugs as opposed to the more moderate conservative movements.

306 Kruk  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:11:11pm

re: #278 Cannadian Club Akbar

Kill the opponent and break stuff.

“Crush your enemies, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.”

TBH, I much prefer the novels to Arnie’s version:

“What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie?
I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky.
The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing;
Rush in and die, dogs—I was a man before I was a king.”

307 darthstar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:11:59pm

“If you ever need someone to lick inside your ear, or chew on those hard to reach places…” Well, that’s all I need to hear from the start of this movie to watch the whole thing. (Beverly Hills Chihuahua)

308 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:13:22pm

re: #307 darthstar

“If you ever need someone to lick inside your ear, or chew on those hard to reach places…” Well, that’s all I need to hear from the start of this movie to watch the whole thing. (Beverly Hills Chihuahua)

My long-haired chihuahua loves to go for my nostrils when I pick him up…

309 Kruk  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:13:33pm

re: #297 Floral Giraffe

Smart boobs? They’re better…

The odd are stacked in their favour.

310 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:13:36pm

re: #306 Kruk

TO STO’VO’KOR!

311 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:14:29pm

re: #308 talon_262

My long-haired chihuahua loves to go for my nostrils when I pick him up…

I hope you mean with his face…

312 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:14:49pm

5 Reasons The Future Will Be Ruled By Bullshit


Picture your ideal future. OK, not your ideal future, where you’re the last man on earth fighting the zombie horde, but society’s ideal future: Energy is clean and limitless, goods are plentiful and machines take care of all the dirty work. So everybody’s happy, right?

But in many ways, that future is already here, and it can be described in five letters:

FARTS.

I should probably explain.

313 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:15:18pm

re: #309 Kruk

The odd are stacked in their favour.

Why do you think fembots were so deadly?

Image: Fembots_2_APIMOM.jpg

///

314 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:15:54pm

re: #283 darthstar

Man, the Yankees are sucking like an open air lock on the space shuttle tonight.

Don’t they always? Oh, you mean how they’re playing?

//Fall is always sweeter when the Yankees are finished playing for the year.

315 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:16:05pm

Afghans find tons of explosive devices transferred from Iran

Authorities in southwestern Afghanistan have seized 19 tons of explosive devices that had been transferred across the border from Iran, police said.

316 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:16:18pm

re: #311 brookly red

I hope you mean with his face…

Yes, he loves to start licking my nostrils when I pick him up…not my nose or face, but my nostrils.

317 Kruk  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:16:22pm

re: #310 Varek Raith

TO STO’VO’KOR!

Quark: Why would anyone want to go to Sto’vo’kor? It’s full of Klingons drinking and belching and…
Bashir: Sounds like this bar on a friday night.
Quark: Would you want to spend eternity here?
Bashir: I take your point.

318 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:18:17pm

US fears Chinese companies are breaking Iran sanctions

The United States has asked the Chinese government to do more to stop Chinese companies helping Iran with its nuclear programme and missile technology.

A senior US official told the BBC that Washington had provided Beijing with a list of firms it believed had been operating in violation of UN sanctions.

Beijing promised it was committed to implementing the sanctions and that it would investigate, the official added.

319 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:20:20pm

re: #315 researchok

Afghans find tons of explosive devices transferred from Iran

and that surprises you because? really I just want to say it again so I can say I told you so that OBL is alive & well & living high in Iran… we need to cut the BS.

320 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:20:59pm

re: #315 researchok

Afghans find tons of explosive devices transferred from Iran

Again Iran caught helping to kill our soldiers. Shocka! Do we have a leader willing to get tough with those fucking terrorist-loving shitbags?

321 Political Atheist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:21:15pm

re: #315 researchok

I’d like to see a sizable chunk of that (gently, like evidence handling-NO BOOM) placed in front of dinnerjacket at the UN. Or in his room as a reminder his actions are not going unnoticed.

322 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:21:53pm

re: #320 NJDhockeyfan

Your suggestion would be…?

323 Political Atheist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:22:01pm

re: #319 brookly red

? Where did you get that?

324 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:22:18pm

I’m out for a bit. Gigantic turkey and ham sub to eat. With provolone and American and mustard and mayo. See ya’ll in the AM.

325 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:22:18pm

re: #317 Kruk

Quark: Why would anyone want to go to Sto’vo’kor? It’s full of Klingons drinking and belching and…
Bashir: Sounds like this bar on a friday night.
Quark: Would you want to spend eternity here?
Bashir: I take your point.

I loved ST:DS9…as much as I loved the movies with the Original Series cast (didn’t really dig TOS itself) and ST:TNG (the series and movies), DS9 was my favorite Trek. Sisko and Kira were badasses, each in their own way.

/though I dug Enterprise and Voyager every now and then

326 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:22:35pm

re: #319 brookly red

According to NATO intel, he’s in NW Pakistan.

327 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:23:15pm

re: #323 Rightwingconspirator

? Where did you get that?

common sense… billionaires don’t live in caves.

328 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:24:03pm

re: #327 brookly red

common sense… billionaires don’t live in caves.

NATO official: Bin Laden, deputy hiding in northwest Pakistan

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) — Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri are believed to be hiding close to each other in houses in northwest Pakistan, but are not together, a senior NATO official said.

“Nobody in al Qaeda is living in a cave,” said the official, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the intelligence matters involved.

Rather, al Qaeda’s top leadership is believed to be living in relative comfort, protected by locals and some members of the Pakistani intelligence services, the official said.

Pakistan has repeatedly denied protecting members of the al Qaeda leadership.

The official said the general region where bin Laden is likely to have moved around in recent years ranges from the mountainous Chitral area in the far northwest near the Chinese border, to the Kurram Valley, which adjoins Afghanistan’s Tora Bora, one of the Taliban strongholds during the U.S. invasion in 2001.

329 freetoken  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:24:28pm

re: #302 Stanley Sea

I’ll give her credit - she’s learnt a lot in a short period of time.

Oh, to be young again.

Her feet are slow for “The Jive”, but that International Style dance is such a bastardization of Swing to begin with it’s not surprising an untrained dancer can’t do the technique correctly.

330 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:24:39pm

re: #328 Varek Raith

NATO official: Bin Laden, deputy hiding in northwest Pakistan

oh please…

331 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:25:17pm

re: #325 talon_262

I loved ST:DS9…as much as I loved the movies with the Original Series cast (didn’t really dig TOS itself) and ST:TNG (the series and movies), DS9 was my favorite Trek. Sisko and Kira were badasses, each in their own way.

/though I dug Enterprise and Voyager every now and then

The bolded parts? I am proud to say I am not sufficiently “nerd” enough to recognize what those mean at first glance.

332 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:25:22pm

re: #302 Stanley Sea

Omg, what??? Bristol Palin and partner wore gorilla suits for their dance tonight on Dancing with the Stars.

Must see TV (not, but wow)

[Link: tv.gawker.com…]

And she still couldn’t get good scores. The judges want her to act, but I don’t think she can. She’s just not an actress.

333 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:25:24pm

re: #330 brookly red

oh please…

Sorry, I believe him over you.
Where’s you evidence that he’s in Iran?

334 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:25:31pm

re: #319 brookly red

re: #320 NJDhockeyfan

re: #321 Rightwingconspirator

I couldn’t agree more.

That Iran is engaged in actively contributing to the efforts to kill Americans is outrageous.

We have to respond.

Along the same lines, it stands to reason if Iran will send send weapons to kill Americans, they will surely send weapons to Hamas and Hizbollah to kills Israelis, denials notwithstanding.

335 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:26:36pm

re: #334 researchok

re: #320 NJDhockeyfan

re: #321 Rightwingconspirator

I couldn’t agree more.

That Iran is engaged in actively contributing to the efforts to kill Americans is outrageous.

We have to respond.

Along the same lines, it stands to reason if Iran will send send weapons to kill Americans, they will surely send weapons to Hamas and Hizbollah to kills Israelis, denials notwithstanding.

How?
All I hear is armchair generaling without thought as to how to go about this.

336 freetoken  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:27:19pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon


She’s too slow “the Jive”. Most Americans, when dancing at that tempo to swing music, will do a “single time” version of swing, e.g., “Jitterbug”.

337 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:27:26pm

re: #333 Varek Raith

Sorry, I believe him over you.
Where’s you evidence that he’s in Iran?

believe what you want, do you really think he could be living the outlaw life this long? He has a protector, & who would do that?

338 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:27:34pm

re: #335 Varek Raith

How?
All I hear is armchair generaling without thought as to how to go about this.

We have to get aggressive re sanction enforcement.

Those sanctions were not ‘suggestions’.

339 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:27:43pm

re: #322 Varek Raith

Your suggestion would be…?

Send them a message that we are finished trying to be Mr. Niceguy. Tell them if we find even one more bullet from Iran in Afghanistan they will immediately experience some of the greatest firepower Americans have to offer.

Fuck them. We need another Patton to deal with those assholes.

340 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:27:51pm

re: #337 brookly red

believe what you want, do you really think he could be living the outlaw life this long? He has a protector, & who would do that?

The Pakistani Intel services.

341 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:28:32pm

re: #330 brookly red

oh please…

I like you, Brookley, but I’ll take NATO intell over your intuition.

342 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:29:11pm

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

Send them a message that we are finished trying to be Mr. Niceguy. Tell them if we find even one more bullet from Iran in Afghanistan they will immediately experience some of the greatest firepower Americans have to offer.

Fuck them. We need another Patton to deal with those assholes.

That won’t work……. the Iranian people are not our enemies.

343 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:29:21pm

re: #340 Varek Raith

The Pakistani Intel services.

I absolutely agree with that.

Pakistan is barely governable and their military are a power unto themselves.

344 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:29:40pm

I’ve been thinking, its time to have a stalker roast thread…

I’ll be working on one and it should be up a little later…

345 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:30:13pm

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

I like you, Brookley, but I’ll take NATO intell over your intuition.

that is OK… like I said I just want to be able to say I told you so :)

346 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:30:21pm

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

Send them a message that we are finished trying to be Mr. Niceguy. Tell them if we find even one more bullet from Iran in Afghanistan they will immediately experience some of the greatest firepower Americans have to offer.

Fuck them. We need another Patton to deal with those assholes.

Ok.
How will we deal with an Iranian invasion of Iraq and or Afghanistan?
Taking on Iran is not the cake walk many make it out to be. They will cause serious damage to our forces in the Gulf.

347 bratwurst  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:30:28pm

re: #333 Varek Raith

Sorry, I believe him over you.
Where’s you evidence that he’s in Iran?

Well there IS that long history of cooperation between Shia and Wahhabiyyah to consider.

Image: rolleyes.gif

348 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:30:59pm

re: #344 LudwigVanQuixote

I’ve been thinking, its time to have a stalker roast thread…

I’ll be working on one and it should be up a little later…

LOLOL

You definitely ride your own pony, LVQ

349 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:31:05pm

re: #344 LudwigVanQuixote

I’ve been thinking, its time to have a stalker roast thread…

I’ll be working on one and it should be up a little later…

This must hold a lot more interest to you than it does me.

350 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:31:13pm

re: #343 researchok

I absolutely agree with that.

Pakistan is barely governable and their military are a power unto themselves.

Yeah.
The official government of Pakistan has little, to no, control over their own intel services.

351 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:31:33pm

re: #337 brookly red

believe what you want, do you really think he could be living the outlaw life this long? He has a protector, & who would do that?

I tend to agree with the ‘dead’ theory, but I’ll go you one better on the conspiracy front—if he’s alive, he’s not in Iran, he’s back home in Saudi.

352 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:31:42pm

re: #342 Mr Pancakes

That won’t work… the Iranian people are not our enemies.

We wouldn’t bomb the civilians. We should destroy all the military targets. Don’t think we don’t know where they are, we know.

353 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:31:55pm

re: #344 LudwigVanQuixote

I’ve been thinking, its time to have a stalker roast thread…

I’ll be working on one and it should be up a little later…

They will be thrilled that you noticed.

354 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:32:06pm

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

Send them a message that we are finished trying to be Mr. Niceguy. Tell them if we find even one more bullet from Iran in Afghanistan they will immediately experience some of the greatest firepower Americans have to offer.

Fuck them. We need another Patton to deal with those assholes.

Some advice from an educator. Don’t make a threat you are not prepared to carry out.

355 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:32:23pm

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

Send them a message that we are finished trying to be Mr. Niceguy. Tell them if we find even one more bullet from Iran in Afghanistan they will immediately experience some of the greatest firepower Americans have to offer.

Fuck them. We need another Patton to deal with those assholes.

Sorry, not viable. A full-scale war with Iran would be a nightmare.

356 Political Atheist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:32:36pm

re: #335 Varek Raith

I would say quietly. Not the kind of thing that makes headlines but more the kind of thing that makes a difference on the ground. We can help their enemies as well. And fuck with their imported high tech. The kind of thing that works and comes out public in a decade.

357 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:32:38pm

re: #350 Varek Raith

Yeah.
The official government of Pakistan has little, to no, control over their own intel services.

Even worse, Zardawi doesn’t give a damn.

Mr Ten Percent is true to form.

358 Stanley Sea  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:32:45pm

Just say no to tutu wearing gorillas. NO.

359 brookly red  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:33:17pm

re: #351 SanFranciscoZionist

I tend to agree with the ‘dead’ theory, but I’ll go you one better on the conspiracy front—if he’s alive, he’s not in Iran, he’s back home in Saudi.

I don’t doubt that they would have him on principal, but they have too much to lose… I say Iran.

360 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:33:18pm

re: #358 Stanley Sea

Just say no to tutu wearing gorillas. NO.

Clearly, you’ve given this great thought.

I admire that.

361 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:33:35pm

re: #331 Slumbering Behemoth

The bolded parts? I am proud to say I am not sufficiently “nerd” enough to recognize what those mean at first glance.

The Star Trek series and their common Internet abbreviations, listed in order from oldest to newest, with their “captains” in parentheses:

ST:TOS - Star Trek: The Original Series (William Shatner)
ST:TNG - Star Trek: The Next Generation (Patrick Stewart)
ST:DS9 - Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (Avery Brooks)
ST:VOY - Star Trek: Voyager (Kate Mulgrew)
ST:ENT - Star Trek: Enterprise (Scott Bakula)

/yeah, I’m a Trek geek (but not a Trekkie) ;-P

362 Political Atheist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:33:45pm

re: #335 Varek Raith

Stuxnet.

363 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:34:06pm

re: #346 Varek Raith

Ok.
How will we deal with an Iranian invasion of Iraq and or Afghanistan?
Taking on Iran is not the cake walk many make it out to be. They will cause serious damage to our forces in the Gulf.

We are already having too many deaths caused by Iranian weapons. It’s time to beat the fuck out of them.

364 Stanley Sea  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:34:51pm

re: #360 researchok

Clearly, you’ve given this great thought.

I admire that.

seared my brain. :)

365 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:34:58pm

re: #363 NJDhockeyfan

We are already having too many deaths caused by Iranian weapons. It’s time to beat the fuck out of them.

We’re stretched too thin.

Cold, but true.

366 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:35:00pm

re: #340 Varek Raith

The Pakistani Intel services.

The ISI is a den of snakes, waiting to bite the West in the ass…

367 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:35:19pm

re: #364 Stanley Sea

seared my brain. :)

I actually LOL’d

368 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:35:47pm

re: #352 NJDhockeyfan

We wouldn’t bomb the civilians. We should destroy all the military targets. Don’t think we don’t know where they are, we know.

And they’ll be launching missiles at our forces in the meantime. Plus they might attack Iraq, which would put us in a very bad spot. This is not the time for aggressive action. Not till Iraq can defend itself.

369 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:37:35pm

re: #368 Dark_Falcon

And they’ll be launching missiles at our forces in the meantime. Plus they might attack Iraq, which would put us in a very bad spot. This is not the time for aggressive action. Not till Iraq can defend itself.

Unless we really unload with navy missiles, big time- with the objective of removing the Mullahs and with European support, we had best focus on enforcing sanctions.

Slow bleed.

370 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:38:07pm

re: #353 Alouette

They will be thrilled that you noticed.

After having to deal with their lies and bs on the guardian thread, as well as being put in mind of them by the gun stroking, ninja wannabes who are the subject of this thread, I have been reminded how much I detest those jack asses and how much I wish to mock them.

Besides all they talk about is Charles and me since Iceweasle has gone into domestic bliss. So why not give them something to howl about?

371 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:38:23pm

re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist

Some advice from an educator. Don’t make a threat you are not prepared to carry out.

Who said I wouldn’t be ready to do that? If I were in charge Iran would see a shitload of our ships cruising the area. The message would be clear, stop supporting terrorists, stop the nuke program, or feel a lot of pain.

372 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:39:01pm

re: #370 LudwigVanQuixote

After having to deal with their lies and bs on the guardian thread, as well as being put in mind of them by the gun stroking, ninja wannabes who are the subject of this thread, I have been reminded how much I detest those jack asses and how much I wish to mock them.

Besides all they talk about is Charles and me since Iceweasle has gone into domestic bliss. So why not give them something to howl about?

Whatever floats your boat dude.

373 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:39:04pm

re: #371 NJDhockeyfan

Who said I wouldn’t be ready to do that? If I were in charge Iran would see a shitload of our ships cruising the area. The message would be clear, stop supporting terrorists, stop the nuke program, or feel a lot of pain.

Agree with DF. We are not in a position to do that, no matter what we’d like.

374 freetoken  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:40:24pm

re: #371 NJDhockeyfan

If I were in charge Iran would see a shitload of our ships cruising the area.

“The area” is the Persian Gulf. And guess what - we have and have had plenty of naval vessels there, for a long time.

375 Kruk  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:40:25pm

re: #361 talon_262

/yeah, I’m a Trek geek (but not a Trekkie) ;-P

The difference between a Trekker and Trekkie:

A Trekker wonders what sex in space would be like.

A Trekkie wonders what sex would be like.

376 Political Atheist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:40:36pm

re: #371 NJDhockeyfan

I get showing strength and brinkmanship. But now, as in overt and immediately attack the place? I just do not see the immediacy to go that far.

377 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:41:27pm

re: #370 LudwigVanQuixote

After having to deal with their lies and bs on the guardian thread, as well as being put in mind of them by the gun stroking, ninja wannabes who are the subject of this thread, I have been reminded how much I detest those jack asses and how much I wish to mock them.

Besides all they talk about is Charles and me since Iceweasle has gone into domestic bliss. So why not give them something to howl about?

You are one a select few- bat shit crazy and brilliant.

Often at the same time.

378 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:42:55pm

re: #351 SanFranciscoZionist

I tend to agree with the ‘dead’ theory, but I’ll go you one better on the conspiracy front—if he’s alive, he’s not in Iran, he’s back home in Saudi.

Or living it up where he knows we can’t touch him, which is Pakistan…if this is true, then the ISI have him buttoned up like the Secret Service do President Obama.

If he’s there, the ISI isn’t going to give him up, damn what the official Pakistani government says or does…

379 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:42:57pm

re: #370 LudwigVanQuixote

After having to deal with their lies and bs on the guardian thread, as well as being put in mind of them by the gun stroking, ninja wannabes who are the subject of this thread, I have been reminded how much I detest those jack asses and how much I wish to mock them.

Besides all they talk about is Charles and me since Iceweasle has gone into domestic bliss. So why not give them something to howl about?

On a more serious note, you ought to start your own blog.

That science post was an absolute winner. Lots of other good stuff, too.

380 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:43:39pm

re: #369 researchok

Unless we really unload with navy missiles, big time- with the objective of removing the Mullahs and with European support, we had best focus on enforcing sanctions.

Slow bleed.

Quite Concur.

381 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:44:20pm

re: #375 Kruk

The difference between a Trekker and Trekkie:

A Trekker wonders what sex in space would be like.

A Trekkie wonders what sex would be like.

*rimshot*

;-P

382 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:45:15pm

re: #378 talon_262

Or living it up where he knows we can’t touch him, which is Pakistan…if this is true, then the ISI have him buttoned up like the Secret Service do President Obama.

If he’s there, the ISI isn’t going to give him up, damn what the official Pakistani government says or does…

Not even the ISI can stop a hailstorm of missiles.

We’d have to have the will and rock solid intel.

The message would be unequivocal- attack us or our allies and we will find you and kill you no matter how long it takes.

383 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:45:30pm

re: #374 freetoken

“The area” is the Persian Gulf. And guess what - we have and have had plenty of naval vessels there, for a long time.

We need more if we were to seriously open a can of whoop-ass on those evil leaders in Iran. I bet most of the Iranians would love to see them get destroyed.

384 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:46:13pm

re: #375 Kruk

The difference between a Trekker and Trekkie:

A Trekker wonders what sex in space would be like.

A Trekkie wonders what sex would be like.

The only pussy a “Trekkie” ever sees is when he is born.

385 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:47:16pm

re: #361 talon_262

The Star Trek series and their common Internet abbreviations, listed in order from oldest to newest, with their “captains” in parentheses:

ST:TOS - Star Trek: The Original Series (William Shatner)
ST:TNG - Star Trek: The Next Generation (Patrick Stewart)
ST:DS9 - Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (Avery Brooks)
ST:VOY - Star Trek: Voyager (Kate Mulgrew)
ST:ENT - Star Trek: Enterprise (Scott Bakula)

/yeah, I’m a Trek geek (but not a Trekkie) ;-P

ZOMG, SB is a heretic!
/

386 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:47:22pm

re: #371 NJDhockeyfan

Who said I wouldn’t be ready to do that? If I were in charge Iran would see a shitload of our ships cruising the area. The message would be clear, stop supporting terrorists, stop the nuke program, or feel a lot of pain.

And what pain do you think you’re going to inflict on Iran?

387 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:47:53pm

re: #382 researchok

Not even the ISI can stop a hailstorm of missiles.

We’d have to have the will and rock solid intel.

The message would be unequivocal- attack us or our allies and we will find you and kill you no matter how long it takes.

We’d better be right, because when you throw Pakistan, Afghanistan, India and Iran together in a blender like that and get it wrong, talk about an international shitstorm of massive proportions.

388 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:48:01pm

re: #383 NJDhockeyfan

We need more if we were to seriously open a can of whoop-ass on those evil leaders in Iran. I bet most of the Iranians would love to see them get destroyed.

Flowers and kisses right? People become very unified when their country is attacked.

389 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:48:31pm

re: #366 talon_262

The ISI is a den of snakes, waiting to bite the West in the ass…

ISI.
Thank you!
I couldn’t, for the life of me, remember its name.
And, I agree.

390 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:48:56pm

re: #370 LudwigVanQuixote

Whatever, dude.

BTW I got my last quarter check from the Zionist Mall silver vendors. Which kiddush becher did you buy for your nephew? Did you get a matching coaster? Engraving?

Hanukkah Store now open. Never too early to shop for the holidays.

391 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:49:16pm

re: #383 NJDhockeyfan

We need more if we were to seriously open a can of whoop-ass on those evil leaders in Iran. I bet most of the Iranians would love to see them get destroyed.

They’d like to see them gone, but not removed by foreigners. And that assumes we got them all. And while our ships are attacking them, they will fire numerous anti-ship missiles in reply. If we fight Iran, we will lose ships. And if we fail to collapse the Iranian government, they’ll declare victory. It’s not a good idea for us.

392 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:49:30pm

re: #387 talon_262

We’d better be right, because when you throw Pakistan, Afghanistan, India and Iran together in a blender like that and get it wrong, talk about an international shitstorm of massive proportions.

There’s a perverse side of me that really believes India is just itching to get into it with Pakistan.

Mumbai was the last straw, I believe.

393 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:49:37pm

re: #383 NJDhockeyfan

We need more if we were to seriously open a can of whoop-ass on those evil leaders in Iran. I bet most of the Iranians would love to see them get destroyed.

Are you prepared for a global depression if you start hostilities with Iran?

394 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:50:17pm

re: #371 NJDhockeyfan

You are aware of the Chinese made anti ship missiles that the Iranians possess, yes?
Pretty decent ones, iirc.

395 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:50:25pm

re: #391 Dark_Falcon

They’d like to see them gone, but not removed by foreigners. And that assumes we got them all. And while our ships are attacking them, they will fire numerous anti-ship missiles in reply. If we fight Iran, we will lose ships. And if we fail to collapse the Iranian government, they’ll declare victory. It’s not a good idea for us.

Quite concur….Exocet (or like anti-ship missles) + our ships = bad juju for everyone

396 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:52:39pm

re: #394 Varek Raith

You are aware of the Chinese made anti ship missiles that the Iranians possess, yes?
Pretty decent ones, iirc.

Have they seen action? Have we seen them, or might this be bit of psyop effort?

397 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:53:19pm

re: #392 researchok

There’s a perverse side of me that really believes India is just itching to get into it with Pakistan.

Mumbai was the last straw, I believe.

Deep, deep down, I believe that they believe it will come to that.

God forbid.

398 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:53:56pm

re: #396 researchok

Have they seen action? Have we seen them, or might this be bit of psyop effort?

Does it matter who’s seen them? Nobody is going to run a tanker through the Straight of Hormuz if hostilities start.

399 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:53:57pm

re: #393 stevemcg

Are you prepared for a global depression if you start hostilities with Iran?

It will be far worse when they start making nukes and passing them out to their jihadist friends. What do you think is better?

400 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:53:57pm

re: #396 researchok

Have they seen action? Have we seen them, or might this be bit of psyop effort?

It’s probably best to ask DF, as my knowledge of their military tech appears to be embarrassingly dated.

401 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:54:29pm

re: #385 Varek Raith

ZOMG, SB is a heretic!
/

And proud of it. Don’t you forget that.

402 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:55:03pm

re: #400 Varek Raith

It’s probably best to ask DF, as my knowledge of their military tech appears to be embarrassingly dated.

Navy?

403 researchok  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:58:34pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

Deep, deep down, I believe that they believe it will come to that.

God forbid.

I agree. I think last summer’s Kashmir skirmishes were trial balloons.

When Pakistan covered up the ISI connection to the Mumbai massacre, the confrontation was sealed. Now, it’s just a matter of time, I believe.

404 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:59:27pm

re: #399 NJDhockeyfan

It will be far worse when they start making nukes and passing them out to their jihadist friends. What do you think is better?

Now why would the Iranians arm their rivals? The best opportunity for the bad guys to use a nuke would have been 2005-06, during the worst part of our occupation of Iraq. Baghdad would have been the perfect target, because they could have accused us of setting it off in hopes of battling the insurgiency. Doesn’t have to be true, but who would most people have believed? Now, you have to put yourself in the Iranians strategic position. What can you do with a nuclear weapon?…

405 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:02:27pm

To continue:

There’s no way the Iranians would ever put a nuke into the hands of somebody they can’t trust. Assuming they would have iron control of the jahidi du jour, once that weapon leaves Iranian territory it becomes a huge liability. And what actually happens if they do succeed in detonating one somewhere? What strategic advantage would Tehran gain?

406 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:06:20pm

re: #399 NJDhockeyfan

It will be far worse when they start making nukes and passing them out to their jihadist friends. What do you think is better?

IIRC, there are (formerly) high ranking members of the Revolutionary Guard who left the country after their election debacle, and would love to see the current regime pass into history. Perhaps we should be contacting them. If we already haven’t, that is.

407 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:07:32pm

re: #404 stevemcg

Now why would the Iranians arm their rivals? The best opportunity for the bad guys to use a nuke would have been 2005-06, during the worst part of our occupation of Iraq. Baghdad would have been the perfect target, because they could have accused us of setting it off in hopes of battling the insurgiency. Doesn’t have to be true, but who would most people have believed? Now, you have to put yourself in the Iranians strategic position. What can you do with a nuclear weapon?…

I have not doubt that once they start building nukes they will have no problem sending them to their friends in Syria, Hezbollah, and if they can get them there, Hamas. That would put Israel in incredible danger. Add to those terrorists they support I wouldn’t be surprised if they get a few to al Qaeda & the Taliban in Pakistan & Africa. That would make the Nazis look like boy scouts compared to islamic jihadists with nuclear weapons.

408 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:07:43pm

The topic of this thread though does put in mind a funny thing that happened to me on Sunday though.

I want to talk about the “dork bluff.” Dork bluff is when you have some shop owner who is part of an ohhh sooo cool set that you have to be special enough to be a part of, and who assumes all sorts of knowledge when he has none. Of course, his clientèle are posers also, so, the shop owner “dork bluffs” them with a mix of elite sounding words, exclusive language and appeal to authority. Like:

“We only deal in tactical gear, and concealment ain’t an option when you’re tactical, bro.”

I went to the Renaissance Festival with Miss S. on Sunday. For the record, she looked amazing in a corset and flowy chemise… but, I digress. As many of you know, I am something of a sword geek, to put it mildly. I have many years of fencing and kendo under my belt and I have been studying some of the Chinese forms lately.

Rennfests sell swords, or to be more specific, sword shaped objects that are priced higher than any number of actual swords, and they will try to tell you that these are priceless works of art, forged by Masamune, transported to ancient Britain, held aloft by the Lady of the Lake and presented here - to you, for the low, low price of around $300-1500.

I went into one of the sword shops - as I always do, sometimes there is something worth looking at, or at least once there was.

I saw several heavy calvary sabers hanging up on the wall.

Behind the counter - glass and filled to the brim with Conan, Rambo and fantasy goth weenie knives - was a pudgy kid of about 20.

I asked “Could you tell me about the steel in those sabers?”

He pulled one down - an obvious Chinese replica of a Confederate heavy saber, that was too long, had a loose bell guard, and was “distressed” to make it look older.

This is a U.S. Marine saber. He intoned. It is fully battle ready and made of high carbon steel.

Partially drawing the blade, I point out that the cheap, pattern mold engraving said “CSA.”

“CSA is marine special forces.” He said. Gaining confidence he continued, the S is for special. Everyone who is serious about swords would know it is Clandestine Special Actions… sir!” The sir was said with just the right surly and dismissive roll of the eyes. The kid was good. I knew I had caught him by surprise when I asked about the CSA…

Ohhh… I said, sort of like very old school marine rangers who carry shiny cavalry sabers, in shiny metal scabbards on special missions! “Wow” I said! “Learn something new each day…”

“Japanese army carried katanas into the field to this day! People who take swords seriously know they still have uses.” He said.

“You sure CSA isn’t Confederate States of America?” I asked.

He rolled his eyes again.

So you said this was high carbon steel? I asked.

“Yes, high carbon.”

“So like 1060, 1080, 1095, T-10?”

“It’s high carbon steel man.”

“Why does it say stainless China on the forte then?”

“The forte?”

I pointed to the part of the blade near the guard.

Ohhh… well stainless is high carbon…

“I see. And you are telling people that this is battle ready?”

“Yes and it is great for cutting!”

“I was enjoying playing with you, but now this is a little serious. Stainless steel is made with a lot of chromium in the alloy, it allows for a goo hardness and edge retention, and that makes it good for knives, but it is too brittle to make into a sword. Any blade of that steel over six or seven inches is begging for problems. If someone used this for cutting, there would be a very good chance of it shattering. A shattered flying blade can seriously hurt someone. I don’t mind you playing up a wall hanger, but you can’t tell people lies that might get them hurt. And yes they may be dumb kids, but you could at least not try to convince them you are an expert and then sell them junk in a way that would hurt them.”

Anyway, that is the “Dork Bluff.”

409 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:08:15pm

re: #396 researchok

Have they seen action? Have we seen them, or might this be bit of psyop effort?

They really do have the Anti-Ship Missiles. The good news is that they don’t really have an air force capable of hurting us. We would sweep them from the skies in very short order.

410 palomino  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:09:35pm

The Chicago Way? The Alaska Way? Looks like they’ve got a lot in common.

411 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:10:20pm

re: #408 LudwigVanQuixote

And what you do is called “loser baiting”. And its fun to watch you do it.

412 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:11:06pm

re: #409 Dark_Falcon

They really do have the Anti-Ship Missiles. The good news is that they don’t really have an air force capable of hurting us. We would sweep them from the skies in very short order.

I don’t think their missiles are as good as the ones shown on their videos.

413 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:11:34pm

re: #410 palomino

The Chicago Way? The Alaska Way? Looks like they’ve got a lot in common.

No. If this was the Chicago Way, the reporter would come up floating the river.

/mostly kidding

414 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:12:11pm

re: #408 LudwigVanQuixote

These sorts of stories are why you’re good to have around, Ludwig… ;-P

415 palomino  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:12:24pm

re: #413 Dark_Falcon

No. If this was the Chicago Way, the reporter would come up floating the river.

/mostly kidding

Yes, here he will be found “embedded” in a block of ice.

416 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:15:41pm

re: #412 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t think their missiles are as good as the ones shown on their videos.

If the Iranians have Silkworm anti-ship missiles, we’d better be cautious, because the Chinese themselves most likely have plans to use them on our ships if they ever go for broke on Taiwan “reunification” and we send a carrier battle group to intervene.

Our ships may have good defensive weapons, but against a swarm of Exocets or Silkworms, all it takes is one or two to have a real bad day.

417 Amory Blaine  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:15:47pm

Maybe if we attack Iran we could cut taxes again!!

418 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:29:54pm

Seriously, the next time somebody wants to have a go around about Iranian nukes, put yourself in the Iranians’ war room and game it out. If anybody had done the same thing in 2002/03 we could have saved ourselves a lot of trouble in Iraq, for which I was completely and utterly disregarded by many of the same people who learned the hard way that “Iraqi Freedom” was the biggest foreign policy blunder since Barbarossa.

419 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:31:57pm

re: #414 talon_262

These sorts of stories are why you’re good to have around, Ludwig… ;-P

Thank you! And by the way, that was both a true story, AND my post about the stalkers.

I wonder if those aging, fat nija wannabes were bright enough to get it…

Probably not, that’s why I explained it here and made it into a thread of its own :)

420 washsox  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:54:28pm

Drop Zone, ironically, is owned and operated by former employees of Blackwater… (yes, THAT Blackwater!)

421 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:05:54pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

They don’t mention classical. I’m not going to mention it to them, lest they get any ideas.

Please don’t. A lot of it was written by them Catholics and, even worse, Joooooooooosssss!


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