Video: Allen West’s Biker Supporters Threaten and Harass Dem Staffer

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GOP candidate Allen West is running for the District 22 Congressional seat in Florida, and he’s in the news after encouraging bikers to harass and threaten a Democratic campaign staffer who attended his rally in a public park.

The new Republican method of dealing with opponents: set thugs on them.

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Would you be surprised to discover that Allen West is also an associate of hate mongering moron Pamela Geller?

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Republican West urges bikers to force Democrat to leave rally Video: Joe Miller’s Thuggish Security Guards on Camera

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464 comments
1 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:24:53am

Damn.

I 'm jump right out and Godwin the thread from the start.

This is SA brownshirt bullshit...and we are seeing that the GOP has found that it works. Rough up, handcuff and threaten the non believers.

2 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:25:44am

Anyone remember the good old days when bikers just wanted to do donuts on golf courses, fuck your daughters and flip off the man? Now they're shilling for the GOP...my god, what is wrong with this country?

3 iossarian  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:27:06am

Connect the dots:

- Reporter put in handcuffs by unlicensed GOP "security" in Alaska

- Biker gangs "protecting" GOP candidate in Florida

- Thinly-veiled dog-whistle racism

- Blatant attempts at voter suppression among minorities

- ...

4 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:27:21am

re: #1 celticdragon

Damn.

I 'm jump right out and Godwin the thread from the start.

This is SA brownshirt bullshit...and we are seeing that the GOP has found that it works. Rough up, handcuff and threaten the non believers.

The TP rank and file eat this stuff up, too. To candidates like West, this behavior is not a bug, it's a feature.

5 darthstar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:27:34am

They're not "Bikers" or a "Biker Gang"...they're "Motorcycle Enthusiasts" concerned about social and political issues that affect their community...like legalizing meth, theft, assault, and rape.
/

6 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:28:11am

How dare a Democrat try to record someone at a public function out in the open!
/

7 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:29:16am

Thugs, they're not just for unions anymore!!
//

8 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:30:10am

More on West and the Outlaw gang:

[Link: blog.reidreport.com...]

9 webevintage  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:31:36am

re: #3 iossarian

Connect the dots:

- Reporter put in handcuffs by unlicensed GOP "security" in Alaska

BTW, it seems some of those "security" guys might be active duty:
[Link: www.adn.com...]

10 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:32:42am

re: #1 celticdragon

Damn.

I 'm jump right out and Godwin the thread from the start.

This is SA brownshirt bullshit...and we are seeing that the GOP has found that it works. Rough up, handcuff and threaten the non believers.

I think Godwin has been suspended for the duration.

11 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:33:03am

Hey. They fought for your freedom.

///

12 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:33:25am

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel

The TP rank and file eat this stuff up, too. To candidates like West, this behavior is not a bug, it's a feature.


Yep.

Any body want to speculate on when we see serious political violence resulting in hospitalization or a fatality?

13 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:33:33am
Allen West is a monthly contributor to Wheels on the Road, a monthly motorcycle print and online magazine that promotes the Outlaws motorcycle gang and denigrates women.

[Link: www.wheelsontheroad.com...]

The magazine is totally fucking sick.

From the October 2010 issue of Wheels on the Road, “Here are some of the things I have to deal with: Chicks telling me their knees hurt. Well you are an oral relief station on Nastopia and you should be happy only when your knees hurt. No get that red lipstick on and get back to being the best oral relief station on the block.” [Wheels on the Road, 10/1/10; Wheels on the Road website, accessed 10/15/10]

14 darthstar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:33:47am

re: #9 webevintage

The soldiers, Spc. Tyler Ellingboe, 22, and Sgt. Alexander Valdez, 31, are assigned to the 3rd Maneuver Enhancement Brigade at Fort Richardson. Maj. Bill Coppernoll, the public affairs officer for the Army in Alaska, said the two soldiers did not have permission from their current chain of command to work for the Drop Zone, but the Army was still researching whether previous company or brigade commanders authorized their employment.

The Army allows off-duty soldiers to take outside employment if the job doesn't interfere with their readiness, doesn't risk their own injury and doesn't negatively affect the "good order" and discipline of their unit, Coppernoll said.


Read more: [Link: www.adn.com...]

Uh-oh...

15 Spider Mensch  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:33:55am

I'm thinking of the Rolling Stones getting the Hells Angels to do their security at Altamont..and how well that worked out...geesh!
oh for the younger crowd here..search Gimme Shelter the movie..

16 firstinla  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:34:07am

With just a couple weeks to go, it's only going to get weirder and wilder. Someone in the GOP hierarchy has decided to cut the crazies loose.

17 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:34:32am

re: #8 Obdicut

More on West and the Outlaw gang:

[Link: blog.reidreport.com...]

Um, ok, he's banging with the Outlaws? Jesus, I thought these were vets on bikes or weekend warriors. That there is some serious and woefully ironic shit.

WHAT THE FUCK AMERICA?!?

18 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:34:52am

re: #3 iossarian

What makes this more insane is that West is black.

19 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:35:38am

re: #16 firstinla

With just a couple weeks to go, it's only going to get weirder and wilder. Someone in the GOP hierarchy has decided to cut the crazies loose.

No, someone in the GOP has lost his ability to rein in their innate craziness. I guess they somehow though they could keep a lid on it until the elections, but it is starting to unwravel.

20 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:35:45am

Freikorps security. What could go wrong?

21 darthstar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:36:13am

re: #18 Obdicut

What makes this more insane is that West is black.

I saw somewhere the other day that he defended and distanced himself from the Outlaws by saying they didn't allow blacks in their gang.

22 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:36:35am

re: #13 Obdicut

Please note: West didn't write the bit I quoted above. He 'just' writes for a magazine that has articles that say shit like that.

And is a magazine that promotes the Outlaw motorcycle club.

23 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:37:07am

re: #19 ralphieboy

No, someone in the GOP has lost his ability to rein in their innate craziness. I guess they somehow though they could keep a lid on it until the elections, but it is starting to unwravel.

I think the annual "October Surprise" could actually be prety bad if this gets even more out of hand.

24 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:37:16am

re: #9 webevintage

BTW, it seems some of those "security" guys might be active duty:
[Link: www.adn.com...]

Deep kimchi.

25 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:37:34am

This isn't so new. W. was very careful to see to it that his audience was always an echo chamber.

26 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:38:13am

re: #18 Obdicut

What makes this more insane is that West is black.

When someone uttered "post-racial America", I don't think this is what they meant.

27 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:38:37am

re: #21 darthstar

They are racist as fuck, yes.

Which leads to a further 'so why the fuck do you love them so much, West'?

28 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:39:55am

re: #24 Decatur Deb

Deep kimchi.


Especially when you notice the racist anti Obama poster in the front of their employers window.The Army takes a dim view of activities that smack of insubordination.

29 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:40:08am

re: #7 rwdflynavy

Thugs, they're not just for unions anymore!!
//

Or corporations who tried to bust unions.

Henry Ford once used machine guns on strikers - and don't even get me started on the history of the coal barons.

30 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:40:40am

re: #9 webevintage

BTW, it seems some of those "security" guys might be active duty:
[Link: www.adn.com...]

I see Miller lied about the district requiring them to have a security team.

Miller gave interviews to Fox and CNN on Monday. He told Fox, "I might also note that the middle school itself required us by a contract for a campaign, required us to have a security team." He told CNN, "There was a -- a private security team that was required. We had to hire them because the school required that as a term in their lease."

But district spokeswoman Heidi Embley said that wasn't true.

"We do not require users to hire security," she said. Renters must only have a security plan to protect users and the school itself, she said, and can resolve the issues with "monitors."[Link: www.adn.com...]

31 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:41:00am

Well, that's certainly fucked up. Makes George Allen harassing that kid here in Va four years ago look mild. And I love hiding around the fact that these guys are vets to excuse their thuggery. Veterans are like the rest of us, they can do some great things and not too great things like we saw in this video.

32 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:41:25am

re: #29 LudwigVanQuixote

Or corporations who tried to bust unions.

Henry Ford once used machine guns on strikers - and don't even get me started on the history of the coal barons.

3 updings from me if I could.

33 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:41:30am

Wow. The right is always a hate post both the left nether is. Interesting.

34 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:41:55am

re: #29 LudwigVanQuixote

Or corporations who tried to bust unions.

Henry Ford once used machine guns on strikers - and don't even get me started on the history of the coal barons.

Thanks, man, always makes me laugh when I hear people talk about union thugs but don't even mention how nasty and violent union busting was. Remember Homestead.

35 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:42:02am

re: #29 LudwigVanQuixote

Or corporations who tried to bust unions.

Henry Ford once used machine guns on strikers - and don't even get me started on the history of the coal barons.

The original "red neck" was a coal miner on strike who wore a red bandana.

Learned that on the history channel!

36 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:42:17am

re: #33 Cannadian Club Akbar

What?

37 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:42:24am

re: #33 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wow. The right is always a hate post both the left nether is. Interesting.

There's an idea in there aching to go free.

38 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:42:27am

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

This isn't so new. W. was very careful to see to it that his audience was always an echo chamber.

There's a difference between stacking the audience and preventing people from filming. Politicians stack the audience to reduce heckling and increase applause.
Preventing people from recording is fairly unique to the Tea Party candidates who make outlandish statements to their base that they don't want the public to know about.

39 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:42:45am

re: #36 Obdicut

What?

It's technical...
//

40 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:43:06am

Anyone else remember a pst incident where the Hells Angels were "security"?
Altamont.

41 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:43:43am

re: #29 LudwigVanQuixote

Or corporations who tried to bust unions.

Henry Ford once used machine guns on strikers - and don't even get me started on the history of the coal barons.

The US Army Air Corps, under Billy Mitchell once bombed workers involved in a labor "war" per Wiki.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

42 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:43:48am

re: #1 celticdragon

Damn.

I 'm jump right out and Godwin the thread from the start.

This is SA brownshirt bullshit...and we are seeing that the GOP has found that it works. Rough up, handcuff and threaten the non believers.

This is the natural progression of this sort of thing. Just like some people here used to argue that the things I brought about AGW were a little extreme, there are those that have been arguing that my writings about how these really are Nazi-scum in the rise of an American neo-fascist movement, was too extreme.

Believe me, I wish I were wrong about both.

But I'm not.

The sooner people start calling these Nazi-wannabes what they are, the sooner we can deal with it - before it escalates.

43 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:44:09am

re: #33 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wow. The right is always a hate post both the left nether is. Interesting.

Come again?

44 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:44:20am

re: #40 Rightwingconspirator

PIMF a past incident-Hells Angels

Biker are not good security.

45 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:44:55am

re: #43 publicityStunted

Come again?

Love that picture!

46 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:45:28am

re: #38 Killgore Trout

There's a difference between stacking the audience and preventing people from filming. Politicians stack the audience to reduce heckling and increase applause.
Preventing Assaulting people from who are recording or asking non approved questions is fairly unique to the Tea Party candidates who make outlandish statements to their base that they don't want the public to know about.

There ya go.

47 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:45:33am

Paladino calls debate format he demanded terrible

48 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:46:06am

re: #36 Obdicut

Leftys are OK to say what they want but not so with the rest. Igonre it and say what you will.

49 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:46:45am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Paladino calls debate format he demanded terrible

"Youse guys shounna let me do what I wanted!"

From the party of personal responsibility.

50 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:46:54am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Paladino calls debate format he demanded terrible


He will blame Cuomo and the librul media.

yawn.

51 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:46:58am

re: #35 rwdflynavy

The original "red neck" was a coal miner on strike who wore a red bandana.

Learned that on the history channel!

Very true, and do you know why they put on red bandannas? It was so that they would not shoot each other by mistake when they finally took up arms against the corporate thugs who brutalized them and raped their wives.

If you doubt this, look up the practice of scrip and superscrip, Esau and rape rooms at company stores.

Look up Blair Mountain.

The beautiful thing about Blair mountain is that when the hired goons realized that the people they were oppressing would shoot back, it was harder for the coal barons to hire goons.

Ahhh history repeats doesn't it.

52 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:47:15am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He also left during the closing statements to go find a bathroom.

Priorities.

53 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:48:03am

re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar

Leftys are OK to say what they want but not so with the rest. Igonre it and say what you will.

Everyone is free to say most things, but they need to own it. That's not what we're seeing this cycle.

54 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:49:00am

re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar

Leftys are OK to say what they want but not so with the rest. Igonre it and say what you will.

The Magical Balance Fairy has abandoned you.

55 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:49:20am

re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote

Very true, and do you know why they put on red bandannas? It was so that they would not shoot each other by mistake when they finally took up arms against the corporate thugs who brutalized them and raped their wives.

If you doubt this, look up the practice of scrip and superscrip, Esau and rape rooms at company stores.

Look up Blair Mountain.

The beautiful thing about Blair mountain is that when the hired goons realized that the people they were oppressing would shoot back, it was harder for the coal barons to hire goons.

Ahhh history repeats doesn't it.

Yep, that was all in the history channel program I watched...The achey breaky heart Hannah Montana dude was the host....

56 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:50:02am

re: #52 Obdicut

He also left during the closing statements to go find a bathroom.

Priorities.

Well, most of the audience left at 8:07pm (first pitch of the Yankee playoff game). /NYers had their priorities too.

And this was a format that Paladino demanded because he wanted more people attacking Cuomo. Cuomo held his own, and Paladino got lost in the noise. So, now he's complaining because he couldn't get his shots in on Cuomo.

Cuomo will be laughing all the way to the governor's mansion in January.

57 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:50:13am

re: #53 Decatur Deb

Everyone is free to say most things, but they need to own it.


Once more with bold, and link:
[Link: www.texasobserver.org...]

58 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:50:15am

re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote

Very true, and do you know why they put on red bandannas? It was so that they would not shoot each other by mistake when they finally took up arms against the corporate thugs who brutalized them and raped their wives.

If you doubt this, look up the practice of scrip and superscrip, Esau and rape rooms at company stores.

Look up Blair Mountain.

The beautiful thing about Blair mountain is that when the hired goons realized that the people they were oppressing would shoot back, it was harder for the coal barons to hire goons.

Ahhh history repeats doesn't it.


Some primary sources on this would be appreciated. Seriously. This topic is not talked about enough in history.

59 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:50:19am

re: #54 Killgore Trout

The Magical Balance Fairy has abandoned you.

We can go through a step by step comparison of left versus right utterances, but the bottom line is that people with a tenuous grip on reality should not get the respect or consideration that people with a more reality based community point of view.

60 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:50:58am

re: #58 celticdragon

Some primary sources on this would be appreciated. Seriously. This topic is not talked about enough in history.

Look up the whipple company store.

61 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:51:12am

re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't think so. When Howard Dean made his asinine statements about the Cordoba House, he got castigated and pounded here at LGF.

So, sorry, you're wrong.

62 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:52:04am

re: #35 rwdflynavy

The original "red neck" was a coal miner on strike who wore a red bandana.

Learned that on the history channel!

I seem to remember that the term goes back a lot farther than that, it was used to describe the Scots Presbyterian "Covenanters", who signed their religious manifesto with their own blood and wore red bandanas to remind people of that fact.

[Link: askville.amazon.com...]

But these were the very ancestors of the coal miners who went on to strike in the Appalachians.

63 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:52:22am

re: #58 celticdragon

Some primary sources on this would be appreciated. Seriously. This topic is not talked about enough in history.

For better than that, I will ask Miss S when I see her tonight. She's an historian and she knows all about labor history in the US.

64 webevintage  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:52:33am

re: #53 Decatur Deb

Everyone is free to say most things, but they need to own it. That's not what we're seeing this cycle.

THIS.

65 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:52:49am

re: #62 ralphieboy

I seem to remember that the term goes back a lot farther than that, it was used to describe the Scots Presbyterian "Covenanters", who signed their religious manifesto with their own blood and wore red bandanas to remind people of that fact.

[Link: askville.amazon.com...]

But these were the very ancestors of the coal miners who went on to strike in the Appalachians.

DON'T YOU DARE QUESTION HANNAH MONTANA'S DAD!!!
//

66 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:52:59am

I must run. I was suppose to be at work, 50 ago.

67 allegro  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:53:19am

At some point in seemingly recent history, the whole "freedom of speech" thing has taken on a new meaning. It isn't now just the freedom to speak any dumbass thing you want but also to be protected from anyone else commenting on what a dumbass thing it is. Classic freedom for me but not for thee.

68 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:53:29am

re: #58 celticdragon

Some primary sources on this would be appreciated. Seriously. This topic is not talked about enough in history.

Someone has done "battlefield forensics" on Blair Mountian. That might have been in the TV show. Will dig.

69 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:54:00am

re: #67 allegro

At some point in seemingly recent history, the whole "freedom of speech" thing has taken on a new meaning. It isn't now just the freedom to speak any dumbass thing you want but also to be protected from anyone else commenting on what a dumbass thing it is. Classic freedom for me but not for thee.


Freedom of speech, yeah right! I suppose that's in the first amendment too?!!
//

70 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:54:19am

re: #55 rwdflynavy

Yep, that was all in the history channel program I watched...The achey breaky heart Hannah Montana dude was the host...

I saw that. History Channel had another good one about the history of the Irish in America. The coal miners in my grandparents' hometown were an interesting mix of: Irish, multi genration Americans, Eastern Europeans (which is what my great grandfathers were), Italians, and all kinds of people. My one great grandfather who left home at the age of 14 to first work on the railroad in Siberia managed and later came here to the US managed to learn aside from his native Slovak: English, Russian, Italian, and I am sure others too. He also raised four children on his own as well as being a full time miner after his first wife died of TB. I never knew him obviously but he was quite the guy.

71 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:54:45am

re: #62 ralphieboy

I seem to remember that the term goes back a lot farther than that, it was used to describe the Scots Presbyterian "Covenanters", who signed their religious manifesto with their own blood and wore red bandanas to remind people of that fact.

[Link: askville.amazon.com...]

But these were the very ancestors of the coal miners who went on to strike in the Appalachians.

I heard that also about Scots borderers.

72 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:54:48am

re: #65 rwdflynavy

DON'T YOU DARE QUESTION HANNAH MONTANA'S DAD!!!
//

Let me introduce you to my redneck friend...

73 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:56:04am

re: #58 celticdragon

I'd like to recognize one of my personal heroes-- a staunch Socialist, the man most responsible for the integration of the US army, A. Phillip Randolph.

This is a great general book on labor history.


From the Folks Who Brought You the Weekend: A Short, Illustrated History of Labor in the United States

74 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:56:07am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I saw that. History Channel had another good one about the history of the Irish in America. The coal miners in my grandparents' hometown were an interesting mix of: Irish, multi genration Americans, Eastern Europeans (which is what my great grandfathers were), Italians, and all kinds of people. My one great grandfather who left home at the age of 14 to first work on the railroad in Siberia managed and later came here to the US managed to learn aside from his native Slovak: English, Russian, Italian, and I am sure others too. He also raised four children on his own as well as being a full time miner after his first wife died of TB. I never knew him obviously but he was quite the guy.

My granddad came over in 1903 from Slovakia (then part of the Austo-Hungarian Empire) and worked in the coal mines in Iowa.

75 tradewind  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:57:08am

Speaking of ' threatening and harassing ' (although O/T), WTF??

'arab nations have given the US one month to end the dispute '


Or else what??
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

76 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:57:25am

re: #74 ralphieboy

My granddad came over in 1903 from Slovakia (then part of the Austo-Hungarian Empire) and worked in the coal mines in Iowa.

The History Channel is like crack for information junkies. Right up there with Mental Floss.

77 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:57:53am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I saw that. History Channel had another good one about the history of the Irish in America. The coal miners in my grandparents' hometown were an interesting mix of: Irish, multi genration Americans, Eastern Europeans (which is what my great grandfathers were), Italians, and all kinds of people. My one great grandfather who left home at the age of 14 to first work on the railroad in Siberia managed and later came here to the US managed to learn aside from his native Slovak: English, Russian, Italian, and I am sure others too. He also raised four children on his own as well as being a full time miner after his first wife died of TB. I never knew him obviously but he was quite the guy.

Joke about Paddy writing home to his brother Liam:

"You might have heard that the streets in America are paved with gold. The fact is, they're not. The fact is, they're not even paved. The fact is, 'tis US they mean to pave them."

78 nines09  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:59:20am

What is a thug to do?Response Just hang out.

79 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:00:14pm

I think I found my new political party

Youtube Video
80 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:00:15pm

re: #21 darthstar

I saw somewhere the other day that he defended and distanced himself from the Outlaws by saying they didn't allow blacks in their gang.

Doesn't mean they won't vote for 'em!

(Seriously. My GFIL, whose language about black people straightens my curly hair, insists he cannot be a racist because he voted for Obama. Compartmentalization people. Compartmentalization.)

81 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:00:29pm

Good Morning Everyone in Lizardia!

As I see it this is just another reason for me to jump the GOP ship and go independent. What is this country coming to? I, for one, will be heartily glad when next Tuesday arrives and leaves! And here I thought I had seen just about everything...///

82 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:00:57pm

re: #65 rwdflynavy

DON'T YOU DARE QUESTION HANNAH MONTANA'S DAD!!!
//

Dude this really isn't funny.

The miners were paid not in money, but company scrip and immediately bound to a sort of servitude. They and their families were brutalized daily. Conditions were terrible. There was very real mayhem committed on people.

People who like to snark at unions especially ought not do so, if they get any health benefits, vacation time, less than 12 hr workdays, and weekends. They ought to be grateful for not having hired goons beat them up of shoot them at the work place if they complain about the boss.

83 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:01:22pm

re: #81 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning Everyone in Lizardia!

As I see it this is just another reason for me to jump the GOP ship and go independent. What is this country coming to? I, for one, will be heartily glad when next Tuesday arrives and leaves! And here I thought I had seen just about everything...///

What happens next Tuesday?

84 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:01:32pm

re: #77 Decatur Deb

Joke about Paddy writing home to his brother Liam:

"You might have heard that the streets in America are paved with gold. The fact is, they're not. The fact is, they're not even paved. The fact is, 'tis US they mean to pave them."

Heh probably a lot of truth to that. My dad's Irish ancestors after leaving Galway worked in Pittsburgh at the height of the industrial revolution.

85 tradewind  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:01:33pm

re: #78 nines09
Maybe he should call Barney Frank's significant other for tips on how to interview your opponent with class and style...//

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:02:03pm

re: #33 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wow. The right is always a hate post both the left nether is. Interesting.

I might agree with this, if I knew what it meant. Huh?

87 tradewind  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:02:14pm

re: #81 Dragon_Lady
Bad news... you're a week ahead of yourself.....
:)

88 iossarian  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:02:25pm

BTW, that Wheels on the Road magazine is awesome. Just the thing if you're after good-natured misogyny, right-wing conspiracy theories and evangelizing, all under one roof.

There's even some stuff about bikes!

89 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:02:44pm

re: #68 Decatur Deb

Someone has done "battlefield forensics" on Blair Mountian. That might have been in the TV show. Will dig.

This has links to the archaeology. Seems to be a Nat Geo project out there:

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

90 allegro  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:03:18pm

re: #78 nines09

Whoa, what a piece of shit work West is.

91 tradewind  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:03:27pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist
As typos go, it's really not that tough to decipher.

92 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:03:31pm

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

What happens next Tuesday?

Um, isn't it election day? Or am I a bit off on my timing? *Sigh* I probably just stuck my foot in my mouth, again. *Sigh* Sorry 'bout that :(

93 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:03:43pm

re: #88 iossarian

BTW, that Wheels on the Road magazine is awesome. Just the thing if you're after good-natured misogyny, right-wing conspiracy theories and evangelizing, all under one roof.

There's even some stuff about bikes!

Ahh nothing says class more than aging, projecting, frightened, smelly white men in denim and leather.

94 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:04:12pm

re: #92 Dragon_Lady

Early voting has already started in some places, so you're near enough.

95 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:04:36pm

re: #93 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahh nothing says class more than aging, projecting, frightened, smelly white men in denim and leather.

Chick magnets!

96 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:04:50pm

re: #74 ralphieboy

My granddad came over in 1903 from Slovakia (then part of the Austo-Hungarian Empire) and worked in the coal mines in Iowa.


I am in the emiddle of a book right now about what your granddad went through.

When he came over, he would have been called a "hunky" and would not have been considered a white person at all. "Hunky work" was down in the mines or in the fire rooms and boiler rooms doing the hottest and dirtiest work around that Ango Saxon and German descended whites didn't have to do anymore.

Working Toward Whiteness: How America's Immigrant's Became White. The Strange Journey from Ellis Island to the Suburbs

97 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:05:18pm

re: #82 LudwigVanQuixote

Dude this really isn't funny.

The miners were paid not in money, but company scrip and immediately bound to a sort of servitude. They and their families were brutalized daily. Conditions were terrible. There was very real mayhem committed on people.

People who like to snark at unions especially ought not do so, if they get any health benefits, vacation time, less than 12 hr workdays, and weekends. They ought to be grateful for not having hired goons beat them up of shoot them at the work place if they complain about the boss.

My problem with people who snark at unions always are like unions bad blah blah and honestly I concede unions are far from perfect but these same people are oddly silent about the conditions that led to their formations in the first place and they never talk about corporate thuggery which believe me still happens.

98 tradewind  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:05:22pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist
Comment seen on a Politico blog:
" You voted for Obama in '08 to prove you weren't a racist.
Now how are you going to vote in '10 to prove you're not an idiot "?

99 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:05:31pm

re: #94 jaunte

Thank you {{jaunte}}, you're such a comfort to me. ;)

100 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:05:35pm

re: #94 jaunte

Early voting has already started in some places, so you're near enough.

It's a great pleasure to vote a couple weeks early, then open the door to GOP canvassers.

101 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:06:03pm

re: #95 Charles

Chick magnets!

Actually, I think they just stick to the grime, not really magnetism.

102 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:06:23pm

re: #98 tradewind

Comment seen on a Politico blog:
" You voted for Obama in '08 to prove you weren't a racist.
Now how are you going to vote in '10 to prove you're not an idiot "?

Obama, obviously.

103 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:06:31pm

re: #96 celticdragon

I am in the emiddle of a book right now about what your granddad went through.

When he came over, he would have been called a "hunky" and would not have been considered a white person at all. "Hunky work" was down in the mines or in the fire rooms and boiler rooms doing the hottest and dirtiest work around that Ango Saxon and German descended whites didn't have to do anymore.

Working Toward Whiteness: How America's Immigrant's Became White. The Strange Journey from Ellis Island to the Suburbs

Sounds like a good book. I've heard about "hunky" from my grandmother.

104 tradewind  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:06:39pm

re: #94 jaunte
That's right, forgot. It's been going on for a week already here.

105 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:06:50pm

re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, I think they just stick to the grime, not really magnetism.

Depends on the type of "Chicks" were talking about! ;)

106 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:06:54pm

re: #98 tradewind

Comment seen on a Politico blog:
" You voted for Obama in '08 to prove you weren't a racist.
Now how are you going to vote in '10 to prove you're not an idiot "?

Against the GOP :P

107 tradewind  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:07:05pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb
He's on the ballot?
:)

108 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:07:24pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Sounds like a good book. I've heard about "hunky" from my grandmother.

Never could imagine what Malcolm X had against Hungarians.

109 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:08:07pm

re: #107 tradewind

He's on the ballot?
:)

In every state election, along with Reid and Pelosi.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:08:14pm

re: #98 tradewind

Comment seen on a Politico blog:
" You voted for Obama in '08 to prove you weren't a racist.
Now how are you going to vote in '10 to prove you're not an idiot "?

Not for anyone who can't remember how the First Amendment works, I'll tell you that.

And GFIL didn't vote for Obama to 'prove' he wasn't a racist, he voted for him because he was pissed off at Bush. He just finds that vote useful now when his kids tell him he's a racist.

111 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:08:15pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Sounds like a good book. I've heard about "hunky" from my grandmother.


It's slow reading because of the level of detail, but you learn a lot...and it isn't pretty.

112 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:08:39pm

re: #81 Dragon_Lady

Two weeks out I think...

113 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:08:41pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

My problem with people who snark at unions always are like unions bad blah blah and honestly I concede unions are far from perfect but these same people are oddly silent about the conditions that led to their formations in the first place and they never talk about corporate thuggery which believe me still happens.

Well of course. Doing so would be an admission of the real existence corporate evil and an obvious place where the parable of greed is good led to dehumanization, brutality and simple evil in the name of profits for white Christian business men.

Hell the Heritage foundation was pissed at laws that prevent American companies from the use of overseas child labor.

114 tradewind  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:08:52pm

re: #106 publicityStunted
Somehow I don't think that was his gist, but chacun a son gout.

115 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:08:56pm

re: #87 tradewind

Bad news... you're a week ahead of yourself...
:)

Darn, and here it was almost over with! I'm so sick of the attack ad's its not funny! I can't seem to hit the mute button fast enough.

116 tradewind  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:09:43pm

re: #115 Dragon_Lady
Second that one.
It'll be over soon.
Just not soon enough...

117 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:09:48pm

re: #112 Rightwingconspirator

Yeah, I got that. NOW! *Sigh* Another two weeks of attack ad's. *Sigh*

118 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:09:52pm

re: #96 celticdragon

I am in the emiddle of a book right now about what your granddad went through.

When he came over, he would have been called a "hunky" and would not have been considered a white person at all. "Hunky work" was down in the mines or in the fire rooms and boiler rooms doing the hottest and dirtiest work around that Ango Saxon and German descended whites didn't have to do anymore.

Working Toward Whiteness: How America's Immigrant's Became White. The Strange Journey from Ellis Island to the Suburbs


That about sums it up, he later moved to Gary, Indiana and started working in the steel mills, which was a step up for him.

119 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:10:02pm

re: #113 LudwigVanQuixote

Well of course. Doing so would be an admission of the real existence corporate evil and an obvious place where the parable of greed is good led to dehumanization, brutality and simple evil in the name of profits for white Christian business men.

Hell the Heritage foundation was pissed at laws that prevent American companies from the use of overseas child labor.


Or the use of de facto Chinese slave labor on US terrotories like Guam!

120 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:10:20pm

re: #95 Charles

Chick magnets!

Yeah... Nothing appeals to a classy lady so much as a beer belly, missing teeth, chaps and an oversized sense of macho that demands a short temper.

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:10:23pm

re: #108 Decatur Deb

Never could imagine what Malcolm X had against Hungarians.

Out of the blue, one day, my only white eighth-grader said, "Mrs. SFZ, what does it mean, 'hunky'?"

I thought he meant as in 'well-built man', and started to explain, and then he's shaking his head, and the kid next to him is cracking up, and I realize what we have here is 'honky' with a Russian accent. "STOP GIGGLING ALL OF YOU!! Ivan, it's a racial slur for white people, and your friends are RATS!"

122 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:10:24pm

We're having an invasion of sock puppets today. Three so far.

123 tradewind  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:10:26pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist
I know.
It was just a comment.

124 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:10:56pm

re: #98 tradewind

Comment seen on a Politico blog:
" You voted for Obama in '08 to prove you weren't a racist.
Now how are you going to vote in '10 to prove you're not an idiot "?

Clearly, for Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell and Allen West


because they're where y'all are headin, sugar

125 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:11:22pm

re: #122 Charles

We're having an invasion of sock puppets today. Three so far.

That corn chip used sock smell is magical!

126 nines09  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:11:28pm

re: #85 tradewind
First I heard that. Boston Herald locked the video down? On the other hand, he didn't have the Angels with him.////

127 Four More Tears  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:12:07pm

Ironically, this looks much worse than anything he would have taped West saying...

128 tradewind  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:13:08pm

re: #124 WindUpBird
Not really following the West race, but it's not as if O'Donnell has any chance.
I still can't fathom why POTUS and VPOTUS felt moved to go to Delaware.
Angle might slip in because of the Anyone But Reid factor.

129 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:13:10pm

re: #122 Charles

We're having an invasion of sock puppets today. Three so far.

Do they never learn? Blasted things are worse than cockroaches!

130 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:13:12pm

re: #122 Charles

We're having an invasion of sock puppets today. Three so far.

In the Blog World, infant mortality is a good thing.

131 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:13:15pm

Okay cat you're not allowed to sit on the mouse hand

no you really can't do that, it's screwing up my whole system here

I don't care how many cheekrubs you give me

132 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:13:57pm

re: #127 JasonA

Ironically, this looks much worse than anything he would have taped West saying...


I was thinking the same thing. The video is a gold mine for any opponent wanting to make you look like, well, a thug who hangs with outlaw bikers.

133 tradewind  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:14:32pm

re: #126 nines09
It was just rude and a signal that Barney's actually worried, which is probably silly.
He's overreacting.
Some of the old bull Dems will get washed away in this wave, but I don't see Frank among them.

134 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:14:58pm

bbl.

135 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:15:08pm

re: #131 WindUpBird

Okay cat you're not allowed to sit on the mouse hand

no you really can't do that, it's screwing up my whole system here

I don't care how many cheekrubs you give me

I have a lapful of Velcro cat myself.

136 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:15:16pm

What does the right-wing spin on the matter look like? Those guys had the right to stand there, after all, we cannot see exactly what a threat this leftist agitator was up to, etc?

137 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:15:46pm

re: #12 celticdragon

Yep.

Any body want to speculate on when we see serious political violence resulting in hospitalization or a fatality?

I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

138 tradewind  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:15:54pm

re: #126 nines09
No, there's video somewhere.
New Rule: Today in politics, There's Always Video.

139 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:15:55pm

OT: 77 year old beaten for comics, dies

An unassuming 77-year-old bachelor who had hoped to sell a valuable comic book collection and leave the money to his family was robbed by a Rochester businessman's thugs, was roughed up and hours later died of a heart attack, authorities said.

Homer Marciniak got his first comic book when he was 6 and hoped to leave his sisters and nephew with the proceeds from the collection, valued at $40,000 to $100,000, said Jose Avila, police chief in Medina, in rural western New York between Rochester and Buffalo.

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:16:25pm

re: #133 tradewind

It was just rude and a signal that Barney's actually worried, which is probably silly.
He's overreacting.
Some of the old bull Dems will get washed away in this wave, but I don't see Frank among them.

Who would you say is at serious risk among the heavy hitters? What are Angle's current numbers? She seems the most serious among them. In terms of voter support, I mean.

141 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:17:04pm

re: #136 ralphieboy

What does the right-wing spin on the matter look like? Those guys had the right to stand there, after all, we cannot see exactly what a threat this leftist agitator was up to, etc?

I don't know, but I suspect there's a lot of comment on the NOI guys going on.

142 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:17:23pm

re: #128 tradewind

Not really following the West race, but it's not as if O'Donnell has any chance.
I still can't fathom why POTUS and VPOTUS felt moved to go to Delaware.
Angle might slip in because of the Anyone But Reid factor.

Oh, O'Donnell won't win! But she'll be visible, running around being part of the new GOP brand after the election, like a little munchkin version of Sarah Palin

This is the new politics, crazy candidates don't go away so fast now, they have the internet to hook into, raising money, holding wacky rallies, shooting youtube videos....and forcing out all the sanity in the Republican Party because crazy sells better

143 tradewind  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:17:48pm

re: #131 WindUpBird
( you could be more clear there...//)

144 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:18:15pm

re: #132 celticdragon

I was thinking the same thing. The video is a gold mine for any opponent wanting to make you look like, well, a thug who hangs with outlaw bikers.

It writes itself:
"How can you predict when a politician will choose secrecy rather than openness, or force over persuasion? We don't have to ask what West will do, because he's already offered a demonstration."

145 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:18:28pm

re: #122 Charles

We're having an invasion of sock puppets today. Three so far.

Let me say hello again stalkers!

I know you are jealous that we here at LGF do things like have educations, IQs above room temperature, regular sex (and boffing your 1st cousin doesn't count Grimcargo, Formercorpsman, and Iron Fist), units larger than 5'12" or 14 cm, DorianGrey and Bunk (I still can't believe you wrote that) jobs, (Savage) the ability to do basic science without having school children laugh at us (Snork and GaryCooper)no particular need to whine about how brilliantly misunderstood we are (Bagua) and actual women posters (m).

146 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:20:43pm

re: #145 LudwigVanQuixote

OMG, you crack me up! Keep up the great work Ludwig!

147 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:23:08pm

re: #145 LudwigVanQuixote

Let me say hello again stalkers!

I know you are jealous that we here at LGF do things like ... IQs above room temperature...

Did you mean degrees Celsius or Farenheit?

148 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:23:56pm

re: #146 Dragon_Lady

OMG, you crack me up! Keep up the great work Ludwig!

Seriously, from last night, when they were talking about their "sizes."

Bunk writes:

@ doriangrey:
Look at it like this. 5-1/2 inches is considered average, but in metric it’s 14 centimeters. Much more impressive to the uninitiated.

You can't make this up!

For the record Bunk, I have never been insecure about mine. Of course actually getting to use it, makes one question such things less.

149 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:24:16pm

re: #145 LudwigVanQuixote


I'm surprised they have time to sit around waiting for registration to open while they're so busy talking about ethnic cleansing over at their stalker bunker(what they're doing right now actually).

150 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:25:34pm

re: #148 LudwigVanQuixote

LA LA LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING LA LA LA LA LA

151 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:25:48pm

re: #148 LudwigVanQuixote

Seriously, from last night, when they were talking about their "sizes."

Bunk writes:

@ doriangrey:
Look at it like this. 5-1/2 inches is considered average, but in metric it’s 14 centimeters. Much more impressive to the uninitiated.

You can't make this up!

For the record Bunk, I have never been insecure about mine. Of course actually getting to use it, makes one question such things less.

Yeah. but nobody puts the funny spin on their stupidity like you do! Classic, just classic!

152 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:26:33pm

re: #147 ralphieboy

Did you mean degrees Celsius or Farenheit?

LOL for most Fahrenheit, but for Grimcargo, Formercorpsman, and Typical Whitey certainly Celsius. I am shocked that people who must drool on their shirts and keyboards so much can even post.

Oh wait, the guts are drool catchers. It doesn't make it there.

153 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:26:48pm

re: #148 LudwigVanQuixote


An obscene phone caller once asked a girlfriend if he could come over and give her his "ten inches", to which she coolly replied, "You mean you can get it up three times?"

154 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:26:51pm

re: #151 Dragon_Lady

Yeah. but nobody puts the funny spin on their stupidity like you do! Classic, just classic!

Thank you.

155 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:27:22pm

re: #151 Dragon_Lady

Hey you ,,LTNS ,,, doing okay, I hope!!?!?

156 Major Tom  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:28:59pm

I see Allen West signs, and stickers all over the place in Boca Raton and southern Palm Beach county... It's weird, the people he attracts. You'll see a soccer mom in a Dodge Caravan with a-5-stick-figure-family sticker on the back window, and an Allen West Sticker on the bumper...

That being said, I don't know if it will be as close of a race as some are saying. Klein has a lot of support with Senior citizens, and frankly, Jews, and this district seems to be formed around those two demographics. I know the Tea Party is strong in Florida, but I'm really hoping their numbers seem exaggerated by their willingness to plaster bumper stickers and hang flags off of their vehicles.

157 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:29:15pm

re: #119 celticdragon

Or the use of de facto Chinese slave labor on US terrotories like Guam!

Excellent post. Then we can talk about Domino Sugar, Nike and a slew of others.

158 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:29:47pm

re: #155 sattv4u2

Hey you ,,LTNS ,,, doing okay, I hope!!?!?

Um, I'm not sure. Please excuse my ignorance but what the heck does "LTNS" mean? ':/

159 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:30:49pm

re: #158 Dragon_Lady

Long Time No See

160 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:30:55pm

re: #158 Dragon_Lady

Um, I'm not sure. Please excuse my ignorance but what the heck does "LTNS" mean? ':/

Sorry
Long Time/ No See

161 avanti  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:31:15pm

As a leftie, this all confuses me. The one thing that I liked about conservative principles was their respect for individual freedoms and support for the constitution and this sort of conduct is far from those ideals.
Now if you are a conservative and don't want to be labeled a RINO, you need to be in my bedroom and restrict my freedom to question, or even watch your candidates. You can't be educated or you're a elite, you have to be a creationist, and pro choice. It's a hell of a stretch from what I admired in the right years ago. I think we need small government, fiscal conservatives as a counterbalance to the left, but sadly the social conservatives have taken over.

162 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:32:45pm

re: #158 Dragon_Lady

Never mind, I just got it. Duh! My arthritis is kicking me around today and I had to take Celebrex this morning. Other than that I'm good, hows with you?

163 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:33:58pm

re: #161 avanti


At some point the conservative movement decided that politicking was more important than governing. in any case, they were good at the former, and the tea party shows that they are still successful at it.

but i just cant wait to see these goons try and govern.

164 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:34:02pm

re: #159 WindUpBird

Thanks WUB, I appreciate the clarification. There are so many acronyms around its hard to keep up sometimes. :-)

165 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:34:04pm

re: #161 avanti

As a leftie, this all confuses me. The one thing that I liked about conservative principles was their respect for individual freedoms and support for the constitution and this sort of conduct is far from those ideals.
Now if you are a conservative and don't want to be labeled a RINO, you need to be in my bedroom and restrict my freedom to question, or even watch your candidates. You can't be educated or you're a elite, you have to be a creationist, and pro choice. It's a hell of a stretch from what I admired in the right years ago. I think we need small government, fiscal conservatives as a counterbalance to the left, but sadly the social conservatives have taken over.


Yep, this is absolutely how I feel about the new right. It's like becoming a true consrvative means you have to be as conservative as possible on social issues.

166 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:34:27pm

The incomparably stupid Jim Hoft weighs in on Christine O'Donnell's latest gaffe:
State-Run Media Crucifies Christine O’Donnell For Daring to Question Leftist Church & State Commandment (Video)
(Sorry, couldn't find a google cache yet. Link goes to a fever swamp string rather than the original at Gateway Pundit, so you get a whole passle of nuts for the price of one. )

This "state-run media" meme has migrated from Alex Jones right into what passes for the mainstream GOP recently (as Jones himself is also doing). I wonder when this acquisition took place? Were the media already under state control when Bush was still in office? Was the take-over some secret protocol in one of Obama's bail-outs? Inquiring minds want to know!

167 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:34:51pm

re: #156 Major Tom

I see Allen West signs, and stickers all over the place in Boca Raton and southern Palm Beach county... It's weird, the people he attracts. You'll see a soccer mom in a Dodge Caravan with a-5-stick-figure-family sticker on the back window, and an Allen West Sticker on the bumper...

That being said, I don't know if it will be as close of a race as some are saying. Klein has a lot of support with Senior citizens, and frankly, Jews, and this district seems to be formed around those two demographics. I know the Tea Party is strong in Florida, but I'm really hoping their numbers seem exaggerated by their willingness to plaster bumper stickers and hang flags off of their vehicles.

The soccer moms who want Allen West in their corner probably just don't care, they just know he's "conservative".

Remember, people like us on blogs, who are interested in this stuff? We're unusual. People who just have Always Voted A Certain Way with no interest in the details, they don't care! They'll just do what they do. And big families = less interest in the details of a political campaign because there's no time with all the child rearin'

"Family values" candidates tend to be obviously hateful and corrupt, but if the people voting for them are the very people that are most ill-equipped to research their backgrounds? perfect. :D

168 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:35:21pm

I don't think you can be conservative at all on a social issues and be a good human being.

169 Major Tom  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:35:31pm

re: #161 avanti

They're solving those problems, for instance, The bedroom freedom was not granted by God, so that's not a REAL freedom. You can be educated, that's what Liberty College, and Glenn Beck University is for. As for having to be a Creationist, and pro-life, what are you a godless commie? (j/k)

But seriously, The left has fiscal conservatives within it. It's a bunk argument that 'Leftists' don't care or understand how money is spent, and whe you say things like that, it perpetuates the propaganda thrown out by Fox newsies.

170 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:36:30pm

re: #160 sattv4u2

Sorry
Long Time/ No See

No worries, I'm a little slow today, it took me a minute to wrap my head around it is all. RWC calls me the Queen of Acronyms but that's because I like to make them up. Doesn't mean I can figure out everybody else's though!

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:37:40pm

re: #164 Dragon_Lady

Thanks WUB, I appreciate the clarification. There are so many acronyms around its hard to keep up sometimes. :-)

Oh they come fast, even I can't keep up and I'm always on this internet thing

here's a few I love:

tl:dr - Too Long: Didn't Read

RTFM: read the fucking manual

BFFL: Best Friends for Life

DUTMIA: Don't Use Too Many Internet Acronyms

;-)

172 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:38:46pm

What I flat out don't get is why they would want church and state together. They hate the government but yet they want the government to have control over religioln. Again it goes to reenforce my strongly held belief that most self described small government conservatives are delusional about what they really are. Christine can't say she disagrees with court decisions about pornography and act like she's for small government. We have the right to wack off at pictures of consenting adults doing it.

173 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:38:54pm

re: #168 SpaceJesus

I don't think you can be conservative at all on a social issues and be a good human being.

I allow an asterisk for really dumb people who are easily manipulated into believing anything, but yeah, pretty much agreed here

174 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:38:58pm

re: #166 Shiplord Kirel

The incomparably stupid Jim Hoft weighs in on Christine O'Donnell's latest gaffe:
State-Run Media Crucifies Christine O’Donnell For Daring to Question Leftist Church & State Commandment (Video)
(Sorry, couldn't find a google cache yet. Link goes to a fever swamp string rather than the original at Gateway Pundit, so you get a whole passle of nuts for the price of one. )

This "state-run media" meme has migrated from Alex Jones right into what passes for the mainstream GOP recently (as Jones himself is also doing). I wonder when this acquisition took place? Were the media already under state control when Bush was still in office? Was the take-over some secret protocol in one of Obama's bail-outs? Inquiring minds want to know!

Right wing victim card: chapter 1,234,555. Yeah, we all know the right wing has been on their best behavior. Especially since Obama has been president. They never "crucify" anyone.

//

175 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:39:10pm

re: #162 Dragon_Lady

Never mind, I just got it. Duh! My arthritis is kicking me around today and I had to take Celebrex this morning. Other than that I'm good, hows with you?

:(

{{DL}}

176 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:39:19pm

re: #168 SpaceJesus

I don't think you can be conservative at all on a social issues and be a good human being.

So very very true - at least as how they are defined in the current debate.

You have to be the lowest form of slime to demand that a raped girl carry to term if she does not want to.

You have to be utterly evil if you think it is ok to exploit child labor overseas for profit in the name of the free market.

You have to be hateful scum to deny their Americans their basic rights because you don't like their color or religion or sexual preferences.

177 allegro  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:40:17pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

They hate the government but yet they want the government religion to have control over religioln the government.

Think you had that backwards.

178 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:40:31pm

re: #176 LudwigVanQuixote

PIMF


You have to be hateful scum to deny other Americans their basic rights because you don't like their color or religion or sexual preferences.

179 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:40:47pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

What I flat out don't get is why they would want church and state together. They hate the government but yet they want the government to have control over religioln. Again it goes to reenforce my strongly held belief that most self described small government conservatives are delusional about what they really are. Christine can't say she disagrees with court decisions about pornography and act like she's for small government. We have the right to wack off at pictures of consenting adults doing it.

They want the other way, they want church to have power over government. That's the goal. Get enough dominionists in office that America becomes defacto reflective of extreme social conservative Christian ideology.

Either way, I stay in Portland where it makes sense and people tend not to elect crazy people

180 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:40:58pm

re: #177 allegro

Think you had that backwards.

yes :)

181 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:41:07pm

re: #168 SpaceJesus

I don't think you can be conservative at all on a social issues and be a good human being.

If you mean how the modern day GOP defines social issues, then I totally agree.

182 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:41:22pm

re: #171 WindUpBird

Oh they come fast, even I can't keep up and I'm always on this internet thing

here's a few I love:

tl:dr - Too Long: Didn't Read

RTFM: read the fucking manual

BFFL: Best Friends for Life

DUTMIA: Don't Use Too Many Internet Acronyms

;-)

Not to mention the one thats sweeping the internet

WUB!!!!
/

183 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:41:55pm

Dominionists and so-cons want a theocracy, don't worry about it. Christian presidents forever, Christian government, Christian schools, Christian everything.

Enjoy your mayo on wonder bread, America!

184 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:42:51pm

re: #177 allegro

Think you had that backwards.

It's a little of both really. Remember many countries that have had state religions have persecuted those of other religions. The wonderful thing to me about church and state seperation is it goes both ways. I don't have to worship a certain religion by law but I also can't be persecuted for being a baptized Catholic either.

185 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:43:27pm

re: #183 WindUpBird

Dominionists and so-cons want a theocracy, don't worry about it. Christian presidents forever, Christian government, Christian schools, Christian everything.

Enjoy your mayo on wonder bread, America!

This rye bagel with cream cheese and lox has a thing or two to say about that.

186 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:43:54pm

re: #180 WindUpBird

yes :)

It's a little of both guys. Remember the Spanish Inquistion was persecution of minority religious groups (Jews/Muslims) by the state. Just putting that out there. I agree that it cuts both ways of course too.

187 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:44:17pm

re: #185 LudwigVanQuixote

This rye bagel with cream cheese and lox has a thing or two to say about that.

So does my Pastrami on Marble Rye with Spicey Mustard!

((shit ,, now I gotta go raid the company fridge!!!)))

188 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:44:30pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

What I flat out don't get is why they would want church and state together. They hate the government but yet they want the government to have control over religioln. Again it goes to reenforce my strongly held belief that most self described small government conservatives are delusional about what they really are. Christine can't say she disagrees with court decisions about pornography and act like she's for small government. We have the right to wack off at pictures of consenting adults doing it.


No, they don't want government control over religion, they want religious control over government.

These are descendants of the Presbyterian Covenanters, they base their view on the scripture Psalms 33:12 "Blessed is the nation whose God is The Lord" and interpret it to mean that a nation must base its laws on the Bible, or more specifically, their interpretation of said book.

In other words, the Christian sharia, to be enforced by the Christian Taliban.

189 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:44:48pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

Not to mention the one thats sweeping the internet

WUB!!!
/

"WHATS UP BITCHES!" ?

190 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:45:04pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

Not to mention the one thats sweeping the internet

WUB!!!
/

ahahaha okay that was pretty great


The best part of having it shortened to WUB is it reminds me of DUB

191 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:45:04pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

It's a little of both guys. Remember the Spanish Inquistion was persecution of minority religious groups (Jews/Muslims) by the state. Just putting that out there. I agree that it cuts both ways of course too.

Is that you, Mel Brooks !?!?!

192 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:45:31pm

re: #175 sattv4u2

:(

{{DL}}

Thanks for the hug, I can use all the hugs (gently, mind you) I can get! :)

193 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:45:53pm

re: #185 LudwigVanQuixote

This rye bagel with cream cheese and lox has a thing or two to say about that.

I'm with you guys *_*

(also, what the hell, fruit bagels everywhere? I can't get with fruit bagels, just give me a normal bagel with lox plz)

194 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:45:55pm

re: #188 ralphieboy

No, they don't want government control over religion, they want religious control over government.

These are descendants of the Presbyterian Covenanters, they base their view on the scripture Psalms 33:12 "Blessed is the nation whose God is The Lord" and interpret it to mean that a nation must base its laws on the Bible, or more specifically, their interpretation of said book.

In other words, the Christian sharia, to be enforced by the Christian Taliban.

True, all I am saying here is that government control over religion will lead to religious persecution as well. We have seperation of church from state and seperation of state from church meaning the state can't tell us we can't be a certain religion and if these assholes got their way surely that would happen.

195 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:46:01pm

re: #189 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"WHATS UP BITCHES!" ?

OUCH!

196 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:46:10pm

re: #189 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"WHATS UP BITCHES!" ?

ahahahahahahahah dying

197 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:47:03pm

The best bagel for me is a cinnamon raisin with cream cheese. A good runner up is corned beef on a bagel.

198 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:47:37pm

re: #191 sattv4u2

Is that you, Mel Brooks !?!?!

Nah but I do confess to being a big fan.

199 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:48:49pm

Republicans Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell agree: No separation of church and state

Democratic campaign operatives around the country will tell you privately that it frustrates them that Christine O'Donnell's various eccentricities get so much more media attention than GOP gaffes do in races that Dems view as winnable.

Case in point: O'Donnell is getting a massive amount of attention today because during a debate with Chris Coons, she asked: "Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?"

But Sharron Angle said something very similar a couple months back and it got almost no national attention. During an interview with Jon Ralston, he confronted her over her 1995 statement that excluding religious schools from Federal funding is un-American and that the separation of church and state is an unconstitutional doctrine. Then this exchange ensued:

RALSTON: The separation of church and state arises out of the Constitution.

ANGLE: No it doesn't, John.

RALSTON: Oh, it doesn't? The Founding Fathers didn't believe in the separation of church and state?

ANGLE: Thomas Jefferson has been misquoted, like I've been misquoted, out of context. Thomas Jefferson was actually addressing a church and telling them through his address that there had been a wall of separation put up between the church and the state precisely to protect the church from being taken over by a state religion. That's what they meant by that. They didn't mean we couldn't bring our values to the political forum.

200 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:49:34pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Nah but I do confess to being a big fan.

Ceiling, rotating or hand?

201 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:49:35pm

re: #199 Gus 802

Republicans Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell agree: No separation of church and state

Meanwhile, O'Donnell has issued a statement clarifying her comments:

"In this morning's WDEL debate, Christine O'Donnell was not questioning the concept of separation of church and state as subsequently established by the courts. She simply made the point that the phrase appears nowhere in the Constitution. It was in fact Chris Coons who demonstrated his ignorance of our country's founding documents when he could not name the five freedoms contained in the First Amendment."

202 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:49:36pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

It's a little of both guys. Remember the Spanish Inquistion was persecution of minority religious groups (Jews/Muslims) by the state. Just putting that out there. I agree that it cuts both ways of course too.

Oh it can totally cut both ways! I always figured that if we truly had our Dark Christianist Theocrat Future like some creepy 70's sci-fi dystopian movie, that a lot of culturally so-con Christians would find themselves screwed along with everyone else. And heaven help anyone who's a Mormon!

203 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:50:14pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

The best bagel for me is a cinnamon raisin with cream cheese. A good runner up is corned beef on a bagel.

I am neutral on that bagel!

204 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:50:26pm

re: #193 WindUpBird

I'm with you guys *_*

(also, what the hell, fruit bagels everywhere? I can't get with fruit bagels, just give me a normal bagel with lox plz)

Fruit bagels are not bagels.

Real bagels are a little crisp on the outside and chewy, dense and soft on the inside.

They com in flavors like Plain, Rye, Pumpernickel or Black and White (my fav) with whatever you like on top in terms poopy or sesame seeds or onions.

The are kneaded by stout men and women with fore-arms like pop-eye, boiled then baked.

Once six days old they can be used as a disk weapon for self defense or a hockey puck.

Fruit bagels are toroidal muffins with a high factor of culture rape.

205 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:50:42pm

re: #201 Gus 802

Meanwhile, O'Donnell has issued a statement clarifying her comments:

Gotcha!!!

206 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:50:44pm

Well. Congrats to the Tea Baggers. I'm back to hating the Republican Party.

207 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:50:54pm

re: #202 WindUpBird

Oh it can totally cut both ways! I always figured that if we truly had our Dark Christianist Theocrat Future like some creepy 70's sci-fi dystopian movie, that a lot of culturally so-con Christians would find themselves screwed along with everyone else. And heaven help anyone who's a Mormon!

Don't forget the Papists :D. They worship a man in a funny hat, saints, and eat Christ.

208 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:50:56pm

re: #166 Shiplord Kirel

This "state-run media" meme has migrated from Alex Jones right into what passes for the mainstream GOP recently (as Jones himself is also doing). I wonder when this acquisition took place? Were the media already under state control when Bush was still in office? Was the take-over some secret protocol in one of Obama's bail-outs? Inquiring minds want to know!

If it's like everything else from the dynamic mind of Alex Jones, it involves the Freemasons, Knights Templar, The Illuminati, the aliens that built the Pyramids at Giza and the Nazca Lines, the Trilateral Commission, Majestic-12, The Philadelphia Experiment, the Roswell crash of 1947, Area 51, and probably 900 other things that you'd know are ALL CONNECTED if only you could see.

And Alex has a helpful set of books and videos that can help you see for $xxx.95 + shipping.

209 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:51:04pm

re: #200 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ceiling, rotating or hand?

CPU

yes I'm buying sparkly glowing fans for my next PC

yes I'm comfortable with that

210 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:51:23pm

re: #187 sattv4u2

So does my Pastrami on Marble Rye with Spicey Mustard!

((shit ,, now I gotta go raid the company fridge!!!)))

Just opened a can of Campbell's Chunky Sirloin Soup myself. :)

211 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:51:41pm

Another sock puppet attempt.

212 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:52:16pm

re: #200 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ceiling, rotating or hand?

Ooo tough choice, honestly ceiling since those are often accompanied by lights. I can be cool on summer nights and read.

213 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:52:20pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Don't forget the Papists :D. They worship a man in a funny hat, saints, and eat Christ.

Oh, they're fucked, are you kidding me? :D

214 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:52:25pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

The best bagel for me is a cinnamon raisin with cream cheese. A good runner up is corned beef on a bagel.

Hot roast beef, corned beef or pastrami on a toasted bagel is awesome! Particularly if you add some sautéed mushrooms and onions - though not with cream cheese.

215 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:52:34pm

re: #211 Charles

That Guardian piece must still have them stirred up.

216 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:53:07pm

re: #213 WindUpBird

Oh, they're fucked, are you kidding me? :D

Guess I should disregard the Anglo-Roman slave saint I wear around my neck huh.

217 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:53:08pm

re: #201 Gus 802

Meanwhile, O'Donnell has issued a statement clarifying her comments:

This 'five freedoms' talking point must be a recent development. I never heard anything called by that name when I studied the Constitution in school.

218 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:53:21pm

re: #210 Dragon_Lady

Just opened a can of Campbell's Chunky Sirloin Soup myself. :)

Way to support the Islamic Supremacist Agenda.
///

219 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:53:29pm

re: #211 Charles

Another sock puppet attempt.

Bunk wants to tell us that 14 cm isn't that small...

220 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:53:51pm

re: #208 negativ

If it's like everything else from the dynamic mind of Alex Jones, it involves the Freemasons, Knights Templar, The Illuminati, the aliens that built the Pyramids at Giza and the Nazca Lines, the Trilateral Commission, Majestic-12, The Philadelphia Experiment, the Roswell crash of 1947, Area 51, and probably 900 other things that you'd know are ALL CONNECTED if only you could see.

And Alex has a helpful set of books and videos that can help you see for $xxx.95 + shipping.

It pains me that Alex Jones is such a dick, he'd make an excellent ranty pulp fiction novelist or a screenwriter for low-budget Sci-fi channel movies


Also, wasn't that the plot of the game Deus Ex? All of that was real and connected? :D

221 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:53:54pm

re: #193 WindUpBird

Everything bagel with a schmear of scallion cream cheese and freshly sliced Nova. /who's going for an H&H or Greenglass run?

222 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:54:14pm

re: #217 Charles

This 'five freedoms' talking point must be a recent development. I never heard anything called by that name when I studied the Constitution in school.

It's what you have left of the bill of rights after you take out five of the amendments.

223 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:54:37pm

re: #217 Charles

This 'five freedoms' talking point must be a recent development. I never heard anything called by that name when I studied the Constitution in school.

It's some right wing trend.

224 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:54:47pm

re: #214 LudwigVanQuixote

Hot roast beef, corned beef or pastrami on a toasted bagel is awesome! Particularly if you add some sautéed mushrooms and onions - though not with cream cheese.

I always just eat them the exact same way, plain, cream cheese, some lox, that's it *_*

sometimes the cream cheese is flavored! I'm wacky!

225 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:54:53pm

re: #221 lawhawk

Everything bagel with a schmear of scallion cream cheese and freshly sliced Nova. /who's going for an H&H or Greenglass run?


My favorite at the University of Arizona Student Union in Tucson was a bagel with green chilis and melted cheese.

226 Major Tom  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:55:19pm

.re: #217 Charles

Sight, hearing, taste, smell, and touch...

No, no, no, it was earth, wind, fire, ice, and heart?
I forget

227 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:55:40pm

re: #218 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Way to support the Islamic Supremacist Agenda.
///

Who cares? I'm hungry and I could care less if its arabically (is that a word? whatever!) acceptable or not! ;)

228 darthstar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:55:55pm

Ah, rest in peace Mr. C.

229 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:55:58pm

re: #226 Major Tom

.

Sight, hearing, taste, smell, and touch...

No, no, no, it was earth, wind, fire, ice, and heart?
I forget

I had all their albums!

230 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:56:20pm

re: #228 darthstar

Ah, rest in peace Mr. C.

Yeah ,,saw that earlier !!
:(

231 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:56:48pm

re: #223 Gus 802

It's some right wing trend.

Look at all the photos of black people on the from page! Hmm. :D

Is this the way they're trying to rebrand the tea party? I love seeing this stuff evolve

232 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:56:54pm

Although I'm not sure if I linked to a right wing site.

Oh well. No coffee today.

233 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:57:00pm

re: #217 Charles


Freedom of Speech
Freedom of Religion
Freedom from Want
Freedom from Fear

no wait, that was FDR...

234 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:57:03pm

re: #166 Shiplord Kirel

The incomparably stupid Jim Hoft weighs in on Christine O'Donnell's latest gaffe:
State-Run Media Crucifies Christine O’Donnell For Daring to Question Leftist Church & State Commandment (Video)
(Sorry, couldn't find a google cache yet. Link goes to a fever swamp string rather than the original at Gateway Pundit, so you get a whole passle of nuts for the price of one. )

This "state-run media" meme has migrated from Alex Jones right into what passes for the mainstream GOP recently (as Jones himself is also doing). I wonder when this acquisition took place? Were the media already under state control when Bush was still in office? Was the take-over some secret protocol in one of Obama's bail-outs? Inquiring minds want to know!

Which is of course projection at its finest. No one tries to control the message and what passes as "facts" more than the right and Fox in this country.

Fox is like a corporate run, GOP Pravda, and only Fox viewers are stupid enough to miss that fact.

235 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:57:23pm

re: #224 WindUpBird

I always just eat them the exact same way, plain, cream cheese, some lox, that's it *_*

sometimes the cream cheese is flavored! I'm wacky!

Give me good an old fashioned onion bagel any day, oh yeah and don't forget the cream cheese! NOM's!

236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:57:28pm

re: #228 darthstar

Ah, rest in peace Mr. C.

Also RIP:

Benoit Mandlebrot, lord of Fractals [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

237 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:57:44pm

re: #219 LudwigVanQuixote

Bunk wants to tell us that 14 cm isn't that small...

Not a bad circumference.

He did mean circumference right?

238 Vambo  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:58:20pm

O/T

Obama, eltist tax-and-spend socialist Marxist tax-raising librul, cuts taxes by $116 billion:

HUNTERSVILLE, N.C. — What if a president cut Americans’ income taxes by $116 billion and nobody noticed?

It is not a rhetorical question. At Pig Pickin’ and Politickin’, a barbecue-fed rally organized here last week by a Republican women’s club, a half-dozen guests were asked by a reporter what had happened to their taxes since President Obama took office.

“Federal and state have both gone up,” said Bob Paratore, 59, from nearby Charlotte, echoing the comments of others.

After further prodding — including a reminder that a provision of the stimulus bill had cut taxes for 95 percent of working families by changing withholding rates — Mr. Paratore’s memory was jogged.

“You’re right, you’re right,” he said. “I’ll be honest with you: it was so subtle that personally, I didn’t notice it.”

the power of propaganda at work.

239 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:58:21pm

re: #235 Dragon_Lady

Give me good an old fashioned onion bagel any day, oh yeah and don't forget the cream cheese! NOM's!

Onion I can do, onions are always welcome, so is garlic

garlic is one of WUB's four food groups besides beer, chinese food and beer

240 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 12:59:01pm

re: #233 ralphieboy

Remember the IKEA freedom: Assembly.

241 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:00:00pm

re: #217 Charles

This 'five freedoms' talking point must be a recent development. I never heard anything called by that name when I studied the Constitution in school.

I think it's new. I think we learned them by a similiar name when I took government in high school. It does worry me that we have candidates that don't feel church and state seperation is necessary which I find ironic especially from Angle given her fearmongreling about Sharia Law. You would think by their logic and yes guys I know they're not logical but you would think that the best way to prevent Sharia Law from ever happening in this country would be to have church and state seperated not brought together but what do I know, I am just a leftist to them/.

242 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:00:28pm

There really is a first time for everything.

One of the people who tried to register a sock account just wrote a very nice email to me and asked if she could be unblocked.

I'm actually kind of stunned. I'm not used to this kind of thing.

243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:00:38pm

re: #238 Vambo

O/T

Obama, eltist tax-and-spend socialist Marxist tax-raising librul, cuts taxes by $116 billion:

the power of propaganda at work.

And the power of keeping people bewildered by bullshit and racism and the gutter

They've already demonized Obama to the point where he could actually create a perpetual motion machine and solve our energy woes, and he'd still be having murals of him as a queer and a mexican gangster because he's JES NAWT ONE UH USSS

244 Vambo  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:00:43pm

re: #226 Major Tom

.


No, no, no, it was earth, wind, fire, ice, and heart?
I forget

GO PLANET!!!!!

245 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:00:54pm

re: #217 Charles

Nor was it referred to that in law school.

246 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:01:01pm

re: #239 WindUpBird

Onion I can do, onions are always welcome, so is garlic

garlic is one of WUB's four food groups besides beer, chinese food and beer

Keeps the vampires away too! ;D

247 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:01:24pm

re: #237 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not a bad circumference.

He did mean circumference right?

LOL, of course not.

I've been writing for some time, that the essence of stalkerdom was insecurity and fear that was over compensated for by excessive bravado and whiny childish rage. I just never expected them to be so open about their little short comings.

248 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:01:27pm

re: #223 Gus 802

It's some right wing trend.

Are you sure that's an RW group? Paul Robeson was a rather hard-core Soviet sympathizer and won the Stalin Prize. Researching the group now.

249 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:02:00pm

re: #242 Charles

There really is a first time for everything.

One of the people who tried to register a sock account just wrote a very nice email to me and asked if she could be unblocked.

I'm actually kind of stunned. I'm not used to this kind of thing.

Check out why you blocked her and make the call.

250 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:02:07pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

Are you sure that's an RW group? Paul Robeson was a rather hard-core Soviet sympathizer and won the Stalin Prize. Researching the group now.

I know. That's what I said after I posted that. Woops!

Caught with my pants down! I'm a fraud!

//

251 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:02:08pm

re: #242 Charles

There really is a first time for everything.

One of the people who tried to register a sock account just wrote a very nice email to me and asked if she could be unblocked.

I'm actually kind of stunned. I'm not used to this kind of thing.


I would unblock her but give her certain arbitrary constraints, like no letter S or T. You can post! But you can't use those letters

also, appended to the end of each of her posts will be a link to moveon.org :D

252 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:02:20pm

re: #233 ralphieboy

Freedom of Speech
Freedom of Religion
Freedom from Want
Freedom from Fear

no wait, that was FDR...

great ,,,, MORE Acronyms !!!!

//

253 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:02:41pm

re: #246 Dragon_Lady

Keeps the vampires away too! ;D

Well, a lot of vampires are my friends, but we usually go out to eat

254 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:03:08pm

re: #242 Charles

There really is a first time for everything.

One of the people who tried to register a sock account just wrote a very nice email to me and asked if she could be unblocked.

I'm actually kind of stunned. I'm not used to this kind of thing.

IT'S A TRICK

NEVER FORGET ,"TO SERVE MAN"!!!!!

255 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:03:46pm

Someone should ask O'Donnell if she can name five 'helping verbs.'

256 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:03:53pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

Are you sure that's an RW group? Paul Robeson was a rather hard-core Soviet sympathizer and won the Stalin Prize. Researching the group now.

The Stalin prize!

Could be both, could be a RW talking point that was set in motion by this guy

sorta like how that GOP candidate was talking about how great East germany was for shooting border crossers :D

257 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:03:58pm

re: #252 sattv4u2

great ,,, MORE Acronyms !!!

//

Yep, the man who gave us the WPA and the CCC...

258 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:04:28pm

re: #254 sattv4u2

IT'S A TRICK

NEVER FORGET ,"TO SERVE MAN"!!!

"To serve sock puppet"? Nah, just don't have the same ring to it! :)

259 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:04:31pm

re: #257 ralphieboy

Yep, the man who gave us the WPA and the CCC...

GGGGAAAAHHHHHH

//

260 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:04:55pm

re: #258 Dragon_Lady

"To serve sock puppet"? Nah, just don't have the same ring TASTE to it! :)


ftfy

261 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:05:00pm

re: #253 WindUpBird

Well, a lot of vampires are my friends, but we usually go out to eat

Well, I'm sure they think that sucks!

262 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:05:04pm

re: #255 jaunte

Someone should ask O'Donnell if she can name five 'helping verbs.'

That's the meanest thing anyone's ever said about her :D

263 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:05:50pm

re: #261 Dragon_Lady

Well, I'm sure they think that sucks!

My favorite vampire movie

Youtube Video
264 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:05:51pm

The point of course is not being able to rattle of "5 freedoms". I don't think even O'Donnell did so. The point also is that Coons is not against the so called 5 freedoms. The larger point is that O'Donnell not only misunderstands the 1st Amendment and the the Establishment Clause but that she is steadfastly against the separation of church and state and also thinks that creationist garbage should be taught in public schools. Alongside other things no doubt like turning our classrooms into Christian schools.

265 Major Tom  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:06:23pm

re: #244 Vambo

Really felt bad for that little kid, with the power of Heart... What was that? Fire! Ice! Wind! Earth (ok that's kind of lame), but heart? Ahem... Sure. The power of empathy!

266 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:07:00pm

The fifth of those "Five Freedoms" is most interesting: the right to petition for the redress of grievances.

How can those people who are placed under surveillance or subject to search without warrants redress any grievances, especially if they are often unaware of what has happened to them or who has perpetrated it?

267 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:07:14pm

re: #249 LudwigVanQuixote

Check out why you blocked her and make the call.

Judging from past comments, seems to be a relatively sane person who was abused and piled on by the loons who used to hang out here, and ended up posting some trollish comments and got blocked.

268 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:07:17pm

re: #265 Major Tom

Really felt bad for that little kid, with the power of Heart... What was that? Fire! Ice! Wind! Earth (ok that's kind of lame), but heart? Ahem... Sure. The power of empathy!

I thought ether was the fifth element


(nobody say love, that's stupid)

269 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:07:27pm

re: #263 WindUpBird

My favorite vampire movie

[Video]

Lost Boys FTW.

270 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:07:39pm

re: #263 WindUpBird

David Bowie? Seriously? Hmmm. I gotta think about that one...

271 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:08:19pm

And the other things the wingnuts want to reverse or eliminate including:

a) Establishment Clause
b) Roe v. Wade
c) Civil Rights Act
d) 14th Amendment
e) Brown v. Board of Ed.

272 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:08:23pm

re: #267 Charles

Judging from past comments, seems to be a relatively sane person who was abused and piled on by the loons who used to hang out here, and ended up posting some trollish comments and got blocked.

Give her another chance.

273 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:08:25pm

re: #267 Charles

Judging from past comments, seems to be a relatively sane person who was abused and piled on by the loons who used to hang out here, and ended up posting some trollish comments and got blocked.


If I registered earlier than I did? that TOTALLY could have been me :D

274 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:08:32pm

re: #250 Gus 802

I know. That's what I said after I posted that. Woops!

Caught with my pants down! I'm a fraud!

//

re: #256 WindUpBird

The Stalin prize!

Could be both, could be a RW talking point that was set in motion by this guy

sorta like how that GOP candidate was talking about how great East germany was for shooting border crossers :D

They're funded by the Knight Foundation (of Knight newspapers?) Looks Center-left to me. Have the wingnuts been quoting or attacking them? Could also be some name confusion out there--all the really good "Freedom", "Liberty", "Heritage", "Family" names are taken.

275 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:09:05pm

re: #269 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lost Boys FTW.

Lost Boys and Near Dark are tied for number 2! (I do Cry Little Sister at karaoke, I love that film)

But Bowie wins :D

276 iossarian  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:10:25pm

re: #274 Decatur Deb

I agree - that "5 freedoms" website looks fairly respectable. One of its main figures lists "social justice" as one of his driving concerns.

I think they're pushing for neutral religious education in schools as an antidote to the whole anti-Muslim scaremongering thing. (Obviously they're supporting the other 4 freedoms as well.)

277 Major Tom  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:10:26pm

David Bowie is truly a great artist.. Just sayin.

278 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:10:32pm

re: #274 Decatur Deb

re: #256 WindUpBird

They're funded by the Knight Foundation (of Knight newspapers?) Looks Center-left to me. Have the wingnuts been quoting or attacking them? Could also be some name confusion out there--all the really good "Freedom", "Liberty", "Heritage", "Family" names are taken.

Well, there seems to be some weird thing a while backwhere there's a R talking point about health care meaning you'll lose five freedoms, etc etc. Maybe that plus the alliterative musicality of Five Freedoms, sounds good on the tongue, now they're running with it

279 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:10:50pm

re: #264 Gus 802

The point of course is not being able to rattle of "5 freedoms". I don't think even O'Donnell did so. The point also is that Coons is not against the so called 5 freedoms. The larger point is that O'Donnell not only misunderstands the 1st Amendment and the the Establishment Clause but that she is steadfastly against the separation of church and state and also thinks that creationist garbage should be taught in public schools. Alongside other things no doubt like turning our classrooms into Christian schools.

Excellent points. I'm thinking about doing a post on this. Does anyone know where or when this 'five freedoms' talking point originated?

280 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:11:06pm

re: #274 Decatur Deb

re: #256 WindUpBird

They're funded by the Knight Foundation (of Knight newspapers?) Looks Center-left to me. Have the wingnuts been quoting or attacking them? Could also be some name confusion out there--all the really good "Freedom", "Liberty", "Heritage", "Family" names are taken.

Right. The my error illustrates a conundrum for the Malkinites. If this is so then the 5 freedoms is a center left trend.

281 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:11:39pm

re: #277 Major Tom

David Bowie is truly a great artist.. Just sayin.


Outside is genius, Eno + Bowie reunion in 1995

Youtube Video
282 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:11:39pm

re: #268 WindUpBird

I thought ether was the fifth element

(nobody say love, that's stupid)

I loved (sorry, WUB!) the Fifth Element! I laughed my way through it! Went out and bought it the next day. Well, no accounting for tastere: #277 Major Tom

David Bowie is truly a great artist.. Just sayin.

I guess.
Singer maybe, but actor? Um, passable I guess. Not my fav.

283 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:12:27pm

re: #282 Dragon_Lady

I loved (sorry, WUB!) the Fifth Element! I laughed my way through it! Went out and bought it the next day. Well, no accounting for tastere: #277 Major Tom

I guess.
Singer maybe, but actor? Um, passable I guess. Not my fav.

I liked the 5th Element! especially because Moebius did all the conceptual design. Also Christ Tucker as HyperPrince. But the ending was silly :D

284 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:12:32pm

re: #275 WindUpBird

Lost Boys and Near Dark are tied for number 2! (I do Cry Little Sister at karaoke, I love that film)

But Bowie wins :D

I just find the modern take of emo goth wannabes as vampires to be depressing. Give me the Vlad Tepes, feast on the blood of my enemies, anyday of the week.

285 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:13:45pm

re: #284 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I just find the modern take of emo goth wannabes as vampires to be depressing. Give me the Vlad Tepes, feast on the blood of my enemies, anyday of the week.

Drink Diet Hemo Lite.

286 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:13:47pm

re: #267 Charles

Judging from past comments, seems to be a relatively sane person who was abused and piled on by the loons who used to hang out here, and ended up posting some trollish comments and got blocked.

Then she sounds like good people.

287 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:13:57pm

re: #284 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I just find the modern take of emo goth wannabes as vampires to be depressing. Give me the Vlad Tepes, feast on the blood of my enemies, anyday of the week.

Yeah, it's all about the 80's vampires, from the days of darkwave :D

I'll allow the adaption of Interview, that was a good movie

288 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:13:57pm

Honestly, my favorite vampire movie is the 1st Blade with Wesley SNipes. I mean Kris Kristofferson in a vampire movie, come on people!

289 Vambo  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:14:16pm

re: #265 Major Tom

Really felt bad for that little kid, with the power of Heart... What was that? Fire! Ice! Wind! Earth (ok that's kind of lame), but heart? Ahem... Sure. The power of empathy!

I think by "heart" they meant "soul"... one of the 5 elements - for Pagans it was "ether", of course they could never get away with talking about ether on a kid's show.

290 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:14:22pm

re: #288 HappyWarrior

Honestly, my favorite vampire movie is the 1st Blade with Wesley SNipes. I mean Kris Kristofferson in a vampire movie, come on people!

Blade was fun, I'll grant you that :D

291 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:14:40pm

re: #288 HappyWarrior

Honestly, my favorite vampire movie is the 1st Blade with Wesley SNipes. I mean Kris Kristofferson in a vampire movie, come on people!

Daybreakers was really good too.

292 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:16:11pm

re: #286 LudwigVanQuixote

Then she sounds like good people.

Return of the Prodigal Flounce.

293 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:16:29pm

re: #279 Charles

Excellent points. I'm thinking about doing a post on this. Does anyone know where or when this 'five freedoms' talking point originated?

Don't know the "etymology" yet other than the five points in the 1st Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

294 Major Tom  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:16:50pm

re: #289 Vambo

I never really watched the show, it was kind of lame. But it's fun to make fun of it.

295 Vambo  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:17:32pm

re: #263 WindUpBird

My favorite vampire movie


[Video]

I still need to see that one

This is my favorite:
[video]

Youtube Video

(original soundtrack by Tangerine Dream ftw!!)

296 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:17:39pm

re: #279 Charles

Here's a mention of a survey from 2006:

The study by the new McCormick Tribune Freedom Museum found that 22 percent of Americans could name all five Simpson family members, compared with just one in 1,000 people who could name all five First Amendment freedoms.
MSNBC Video
297 Vambo  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:18:07pm

re: #295 Vambo

I still need to see that one

This is my favorite:
[video]

[Video](original soundtrack by Tangerine Dream ftw!!)

how did I fuck that up?

Youtube Video
298 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:18:07pm

re: #293 Gus 802

Don't know the "etymology" yet other than the five points in the 1st Amendment:

I imagine it's called the five freedoms to make it easier to remember. The one I remember my classmates having a hard tiem with was the one about petition. It's a biggie of course which is something I've been observing with the peitions I've been signing.

299 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:18:43pm

re: #283 WindUpBird

I liked the 5th Element! especially because Moebius did all the conceptual design. Also Christ Tucker as HyperPrince. But the ending was silly :D

I thought Chris Tucker was the funniest character in the whole thing! The way he screamed had me rolling! And the negotiating tactics Bruce Willis employed was perfect. RWC didn't think much of the movie but it's on my top ten of all time best movies made list. Yeah the ending was a bit mushy but you gotta admit it worked.

300 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:20:49pm

Here's this from 1942.

Miscellany, Sep. 14, 1942

Five Freedoms. In Corte Madera, Calif.. Justice of the Peace Herbert De La Monanya scolded police for arresting five backyard nudists, agreed with the defense attorney that nudism at home was one of the liberties the U.S. was fighting for.

Nudism!

301 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:21:39pm

re: #299 Dragon_Lady

I thought Chris Tucker was the funniest character in the whole thing! The way he screamed had me rolling! And the negotiating tactics Bruce Willis employed was perfect. RWC didn't think much of the movie but it's on my top ten of all time best movies made list. Yeah the ending was a bit mushy but you gotta admit it worked.

I liked the part with Milla Jovovich was wearing next to nothing.

302 Vambo  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:22:30pm

re: #299 Dragon_Lady

I thought Chris Tucker was the funniest character in the whole thing! The way he screamed had me rolling! And the negotiating tactics Bruce Willis employed was perfect. RWC didn't think much of the movie but it's on my top ten of all time best movies made list. Yeah the ending was a bit mushy but you gotta admit it worked.

The movie begins and ends with "The Diva".

TECHNO OPERA

303 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:22:44pm

Well Kids, I'm getting tired. Celebrex or no Celebrex my hands are still bothering me and I'm gonna go lay down. See you all later, Keep Laughing Everyone! :)

304 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:23:18pm

re: #301 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I liked the part with Milla Jovovich was wearing next to nothing.

You would! She passed away you know. Sad, very sad.

305 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:23:59pm

Yeah. 5 freedoms. One of them is freedom of the press.

How did that work out for those that wanted to question Joe Wilson?

Ironically he, Palin, Nixon, et al, all wanted freedom FROM the press.

306 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:24:30pm

Speaking of David Bowie and vampires, I liked The Hunger.

307 Vambo  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:24:39pm

re: #304 Dragon_Lady

You would! She passed away you know. Sad, very sad.

Milla?? she is very much alive!

308 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:24:53pm

re: #304 Dragon_Lady

You would! She passed away you know. Sad, very sad.

LIES!

309 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:25:05pm

re: #300 Gus 802

Here's this from 1942.

Miscellany, Sep. 14, 1942

Five Freedoms. In Corte Madera, Calif.. Justice of the Peace Herbert De La Monanya scolded police for arresting five backyard nudists, agreed with the defense attorney that nudism at home was one of the liberties the U.S. was fighting for.

Nudism!

And another right worth fighting for: The Right To Bare Bottoms

At least in Maryland it is legal to moon your neighbor

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

310 Major Tom  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:25:19pm

Later lizards.

311 Donna Ballard  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:25:48pm

re: #307 Vambo

Milla?? she is very much alive!

Not, I saw a report about it a year or so ago. Ooops did I do a boo boo? See? I am tired. Later Lizards!

312 Max  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:26:00pm

Here's Jimmy McMillan of "The Rent Is Too Damn High Party' at the New York Governors debate.

Youtube Video
313 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:26:48pm

Whatever this is.

GOVERNMENT GETS PLEDGE OF MOTHERS; Declaration on Five Freedoms Goes to Congress Library

Special to THE NEW YORK TIMES. ();
January 26, 1940, Section , Page 10, Column , words

WASHINGTON, Jan. 25--A declaration signed by women in 1,097 communities of the United States and possessions, expressing the determination of American mothers to practice democracy in the home and inspire in their children a devotion to the democratic way of life, was presented to the Library ...

314 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:28:28pm

re: #312 Max D. Reinhardt

Here's Jimmy McMillan of "The Rent Is Too Damn High Party' at the New York Governors debate.

[Video]

He's better than Paladino.

315 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:28:56pm

I just posted this comment in the 'Talk' section of Wikipedia's article on LGF, because someone added the stupid stalker talking points about me deleting and altering old posts:

I'm curious to know if Wikipedia editors plan to go through every blogger's old posts to see what they deleted or altered?

If not, why is this section in the article about Little Green Footballs?

316 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:29:01pm

re: #279 Charles

I found this school tube link (cache)

High School Broadcast Journalism Project

317 Vambo  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:29:11pm

re: #312 Max D. Reinhardt

Here's Jimmy McMillan of "The Rent Is Too Damn High Party' at the New York Governors debate.


[Video]

318 Vambo  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:29:46pm

re: #317 Vambo

LGF hates me, and ated my comment.

Why is it that crazy leftist candidates are the only ones who give a shit about anything?

319 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:31:24pm

I'm not finding any references to "Five Freedoms" prior to 2000. I think this is a brand new meme.

And as such, it's not surprising that Chris Coons couldn't immediately reply with the expected rote answer.

This is looking more and more like a completely bogus attempt at a gotcha.

320 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:31:31pm

Here's a Free Republic posting that uses the McCormick Tribune Freedom Museum survey findings about the five Constitutional freedoms to criticize "America's most bizarre and politically correct college courses." It may be a common YAF rhetorical device.
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

321 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:32:42pm

re: #319 Charles

I'm not finding any references to "Five Freedoms" prior to 2000. I think this is a brand new meme.

And as such, it's not surprising that Chris Coons couldn't immediately reply with the expected rote answer.

This is looking more and more like a completely bogus attempt at a gotcha.

Yeah. There's no document that reads "Five Freedoms". It's a bit of a trick question. The real way to ask it would be "what are the five basic freedoms (or points) in the 1st Amendment".

322 Summer Seale  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:32:53pm

......................... Hours Later .........................

...Wait...wait.....you mean the separation of Church and State really is in the Constitution??? In the First Ammendment???

No way! Since when? Like...I totally didn't learn that in school! No....WAY! Like...omg since when????

Like..that's so not even important and all! What's important is the Tea Party and stuff and feedom to teach religion in school and stuff! Like, totally! You know, it's so uncool to bring stuff up like that because it's just totally not me!

Like, omg...... It's a total witch hunt! And I'm not even a witch!!!!

OMG!

323 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:33:32pm

Back form the salt mines, for a while anyway.

324 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:33:46pm

re: #319 Charles

I'm not finding any references to "Five Freedoms" prior to 2000. I think this is a brand new meme.

And as such, it's not surprising that Chris Coons couldn't immediately reply with the expected rote answer.

This is looking more and more like a completely bogus attempt at a gotcha.

In the next debate, O'Donnell will ask Coons about the 3 seashells.

325 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:33:53pm

re: #320 jaunte

That's making sense.

326 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:34:18pm

re: #323 researchok

Back form the salt mines, for a while anyway.

Does that mean we can pepper you with questions?

327 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:34:48pm

re: #326 sattv4u2

Does that mean we can pepper you with questions?

Feel free.

I get peppered all the time.
/

328 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:34:49pm

re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In the next debate, O'Donnell will ask Coons about the 3 seashells.

Followed by the story of the tortoise and the hare.

329 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:35:00pm

re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In the next debate, O'Donnell will ask Coons about the 3 seashells.

They were a Doo Wop group in the 60's ,,, no !?!?!

330 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:35:14pm

re: #326 sattv4u2

Does that mean we can pepper you with questions?

Maybe get some sage advice?

331 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:35:46pm

re: #330 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe get some sage advice?

In thyme, perhaps...

332 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:35:50pm

re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In the next debate, O'Donnell will ask Coons about the 3 seashells.

How about the 11 herbs and spices. I'll be damned if he can name the 31 flavors.
99 problems!

Youtube Video
333 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:36:08pm

re: #331 researchok

That old rhubarb?

334 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:36:28pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

How about the 11 herbs and spices. I'll be damned if he can name the 31 flavors.
99 problems!

[Video]

And name all 57 varieties

and do all sixteen dances.

335 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:36:40pm

Off to a Pewee Football game, but I'm cumin' back. BBL

336 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:36:44pm

re: #333 Rightwingconspirator

That old rhubarb?

Please don't parsley my words!

337 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:37:08pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

Number the folds in the eightfold path!

338 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:38:22pm
Youtube Video
339 darthstar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:38:52pm

Joe Miller's latest problem...he could be a tax cheat.

340 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:39:16pm

re: #339 darthstar

Joe Miller's latest problem...he could be a tax cheat.

I smell CABINET POST !!!

//

341 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:40:02pm

re: #339 darthstar

Joe Miller's latest problem...he could be a tax cheat.

Well, that certainly qualifies him for office.

342 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:41:08pm

re: #335 Decatur Deb

Off to a Pewee Football game, but I'm cumin' back. BBL

Say HI to Herman for us

343 darthstar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:41:14pm

re: #341 researchok

Well, that certainly qualifies him for office.

What his office paying 50,000 dollars in rent means as far as taxable income:
Total income $59,348
Rent -$50,000
---------
Total Taxable income $ 9,348

He's barely making more than Christine O'Donnell.

344 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:42:07pm

re: #343 darthstar

What his office paying 50,000 dollars in rent means as far as taxable income:
Total income $59,348
Rent -$50,000
---
Total Taxable income $ 9,348

He's barely making more than Christine O'Donnell.

LOL

Or Rangel.

I suggest we look in his freezer.
/

345 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:42:43pm

re: #342 sattv4u2

Say HI to Herman for us

NO reward upding for Pewee reference.
/

346 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:43:02pm

re: #339 darthstar

Joe Miller's latest problem...he could be a tax cheat.

Murkowski is looking really smart for staying in the race after the primary now.

347 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:43:27pm

re: #345 researchok

NO reward upding for Pewee reference.
/

I don't care how littel your wee is!

348 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:43:56pm

I wonder how much unlicensed Military Surplus workers and off duty soldiers working without command authorization cost Joe and can he get a tax right off for it?

349 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:43:57pm

re: #346 HappyWarrior

Murkowski is looking really smart for staying in the race after the primary now.

I don't believe tax matters carry the baggage they once did.

Too many skeletons all around.

350 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:44:08pm

re: #344 researchok

No, that's William Jefferson (ex-Rep from LA). Rangel just got rent subsidized apartments that he wasn't entitled to, plus avoided paying income tax on any number of questionable grounds and sources.

351 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:44:09pm

re: #339 darthstar

Joe Miller's latest problem...he could be a tax cheat.

Cool that I'm not the only one reading Andrew Halcro!

352 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:45:21pm

re: #350 lawhawk

No, that's William Jefferson (ex-Rep from LA). Rangel just got rent subsidized apartments that he wasn't entitled to, plus avoided paying income tax on any number of questionable grounds and sources.

I recall that. I was referencing the both of them.

I wanted to make a Geithner reference, but thought better of it.

353 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:46:48pm

re: #347 sattv4u2

I don't care how littel your wee is!

I'm not touching that.

354 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:48:15pm

Okay, I gotta go take this midterm about German history. Nervous since there's a lot to know but I am confident in my abilities. LAter all.

355 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:49:21pm

the Tax Cut Nobody Heard Of

In a New York Times/CBS News Poll last month, fewer than one in 10 respondents knew that the Obama administration had lowered taxes for most Americans. Half of those polled said they thought that their taxes had stayed the same, a third thought that their taxes had gone up, and about a tenth said they did not know. As Thom Tillis, a Republican state representative, put it as the dinner wound down here, “This was the tax cut that fell in the woods — nobody heard it.”

Actually, the tax cut was, by design, hard to notice. Faced with evidence that people were more likely to save than spend the tax rebate checks they received during the Bush administration, the Obama administration decided to take a different tack: it arranged for less tax money to be withheld from people’s paychecks.

They reasoned that people would be more likely to spend a small, recurring extra bit of money that they might not even notice, and that the quicker the money was spent, the faster it would cycle through the economy.

Economists are still measuring how stimulative the tax cut was. But the hard-to-notice part has succeeded wildly. In a recent interview, President Obama said that structuring the tax cuts so that a little more money showed up regularly in people’s paychecks “was the right thing to do economically, but politically it meant that nobody knew that they were getting a tax cut.”

“And in fact what ended up happening was six months into it, or nine months into it,” the president said, “people had thought we had raised their taxes instead of cutting their taxes.”

356 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:49:24pm

re: #354 HappyWarrior

Okay, I gotta go take this midterm about German history. Nervous since there's a lot to know but I am confident in my abilities. LAter all.

Wear your lucky Pickelhauben.

357 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:50:01pm

re: #352 researchok

I recall that. I was referencing the both of them.

I wanted to make a Geithner reference, but thought better of it.

I already did !!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

358 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:50:21pm

re: #356 researchok

Wear your lucky Pickelhauben.

I ain't touching that!

359 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:51:02pm

re: #358 sattv4u2

I ain't touching that!

Thats what she said.

360 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:51:38pm

re: #339 darthstar

Joe Miller's latest problem...he could be a tax cheat.

Halcro also has a nice followup link to the Hopfinger story:

A Valley woman who witnessed the incident involving Republican U.S. Senate candidate Joe Miller and the editor of Alaska Dispatch on Sunday says the journalist, Tony Hopfinger, did not threaten Miller and that the whole thing should never have escalated into a police matter.
[Link: www.alaskadispatch.com...]
361 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:52:04pm

Some more context on Allen West. I knew I remembered his name.

He is one of the self described "Jack Bauer" Republicans who got into trouble in the Army with abusive injterrogations.

While questioning a suspect, Colonel West fired a handgun next to the prisoner's head as a threat of execution. He was forced into retiremnt afterwards.

His 'bots patrol and police his wikipedia page every few hours, so do not expect to ever see this video incident ever make it onto his page.

362 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:52:36pm

re: #358 sattv4u2

I ain't touching that!

Pickelhauben

363 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:53:32pm

re: #362 researchok

Pickelhauben

No WONDER I ain't touchin that !!

364 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:54:08pm

re: #296 jaunte

Here's a mention of a survey from 2006:

That must be when it became popular. There was the Four Freedoms speech by FDR and then there was the Four Freedoms covers by Norman Rockwell. The latter of which was inspired by the former -- which isn't exactly an assessment of the 1st Amendment:

In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.

The first is freedom of speech and expression -- everywhere in the world.

The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way -- everywhere in the world.

The third is freedom from want -- which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants -- everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear -- which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor-- anywhere in the world.

That is no vision of a distant millennium. It is a definite basis for a kind of world attainable in our own time and generation. That kind of world is the very antithesis of the so-called new order of tyranny which the dictators seek to create with the crash of a bomb.

To that new order we oppose the greater conception -- the moral order. A good society is able to face schemes of world domination and foreign revolutions alike without fear.

Since the beginning of our American history, we have been engaged in change -- in a perpetual peaceful revolution -- a revolution which goes on steadily, quietly adjusting itself to changing conditions -- without the concentration camp or the quick-lime in the ditch. The world order which we seek is the cooperation of free countries, working together in a friendly, civilized society.

This nation has placed its destiny in the hands and heads and hearts of its millions of free men and women; and its faith in freedom under the guidance of God. Freedom means the supremacy of human rights everywhere. Our support goes to those who struggle to gain those rights or keep them. Our strength is our unity of purpose.

To that high concept there can be no end save victory.

365 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:54:37pm

re: #346 HappyWarrior

Murkowski is looking really smart for staying in the race after the primary now.

She sure doesn't owe anything to the GOP or that dripping prick Jim DeMint (who was one of the major players trying to get rid of her. So much for the "big tent")

366 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:55:30pm

re: #361 celticdragon

Some more context on Allen West. I knew I remembered his name.

He is one of the self described "Jack Bauer" Republicans who got into trouble in the Army with abusive injterrogations.

While questioning a suspect, Colonel West fired a handgun next to the prisoner's head as a threat of execution. He was forced into retiremnt afterwards.

His 'bots patrol and police his wikipedia page every few hours, so do not expect to ever see this video incident ever make it onto his page.

I think ol' West had suffered a few too many concussions next to his noggin during his career.

367 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:55:32pm

re: #365 celticdragon

She sure doesn't owe anything to the GOP or that dripping prick Jim DeMint (who was one of the major players trying to get rid of her. So much for the "big tent")

"dripping prick" that's a new one, i must remember that :D

368 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:56:04pm

re: #346 HappyWarrior

Murkowski is looking really smart for staying in the race after the primary now.

yeah, good for her, don't give an inch to these wackos!

369 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:56:38pm

re: #319 Charles

I'm not finding any references to "Five Freedoms" prior to 2000. I think this is a brand new meme.

And as such, it's not surprising that Chris Coons couldn't immediately reply with the expected rote answer.

This is looking more and more like a completely bogus attempt at a gotcha.

bingo!

370 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:56:49pm

BTW, Fallout: New Vegas is awesome.

371 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:57:21pm

re: #367 WindUpBird

"dripping prick" that's a new one, i must remember that :D

Me too! I'm at a place where I cannot let out the necessary reaction. LOL

372 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:57:46pm

If you asked my father, who's been a lawyer longer than i've been on this earth, what "the five freedoms" were, guaranteed he'd have no clue what you're talking about

And then he'd go back into his big office building he bought outright because he was such a badass lawyer ;-)

373 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:58:06pm

re: #370 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

BTW, Fallout: New Vegas is awesome.

FUUUUUCK FUCKING FUCK ARGH

I NEED TO PLAY It


IT'S OBSIDIAN

*twitch*

374 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:58:38pm

re: #371 Stanley Sea

Me too! I'm at a place where I cannot let out the necessary reaction. LOL

Are you ON THE CLOCK?!?!?!

So am I, but it's my clock, so I can stop it whetever I like

375 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:58:48pm

re: #372 WindUpBird

If you asked my father, who's been a lawyer longer than i've been on this earth, what "the five freedoms" were, guaranteed he'd have no clue what you're talking about

And then he'd go back into his big office building he bought outright because he was such a badass lawyer ;-)

A capitalist landowner- there is hope!
/

376 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 1:59:38pm

re: #373 WindUpBird

FUUUCK FUCKING FUCK ARGH

I NEED TO PLAY It


IT'S OBSIDIAN

*twitch*

Any game where you start tied up in a shallow grave and get shot in the head can't be that bad.

377 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:00:01pm

This page is ostensibly from 1997 and kicks off a Five Freedoms Project.

INTRODUCTION

The 45 words of the First Amendment haven't changed since their adoption in 1791. Yet they are called upon to help guide a society that is radically different from the one in which the Founding Fathers lived. In this century, the First Amendment has been stretched and reinterpreted as the government has become involved in nearly all spheres of expressive activity -- campaign financing, federal funding of the arts, and regulation of mass media, to name but a few.

In recent years there has been a counter-trend, in which government intervention and involvement has been scaled back in areas such as regulation of industry. Yet at the same time, there are calls for additional forms of government activism, such as measures to control the content of the Internet. There is a need for evaluation of where the five freedoms now stand. This includes a look at trends in court rulings, legislation, executive branch policies, scholastic research and actions by non-governmental parties which impinge on these freedoms, before corrective action can be taken. This project will also survey public attitudes, which play a key role in determining the viability of the Five Freedoms.

[...]

CONCLUSION

The preliminary conclusion of this overview is that there are many reasons to be concerned about the vitality of the First Amendment as we approach the 21st Century. Government policymakers continue to lose sight of the Five Freedoms in their zeal to find solutions to problems such as terrorism and exposure of children to pornography. At the same time, there is a tendency in public opinion to go along with or to provoke such policies.

One can take solace, however, in the fact that the federal courts -- up to and including the Supreme Court -- continue to show a great deal of respect for the Five Freedoms. Most misguided legislative forays against the First Amendment are overturned.

Yet this does not mean that we can rest easy. Now, as always, eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.

A project of The Freedom Forum
Coordinator: Donna Demac, Fellow
Research Assistant: Maury DeFreitas
Project Overview, January 1997

378 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:00:04pm

There's quite a battle going on over the LGF page at Wikipedia. Right wing nuts are doing everything they can to get negative items posted.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

379 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:01:30pm

re: #371 Stanley Sea

Me too! I'm at a place where I cannot let out the necessary reaction. LOL

I would love to claim complete credit, but I believe a character in the Stephen King book The Talisman used a similar epiteth.

380 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:02:03pm

re: #378 Charles

There's quite a battle going on over the LGF page at Wikipedia. Right wing nuts are doing everything they can to get negative items posted.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The moron brigade.

381 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:02:10pm

re: #362 researchok

Pickelhauben

that gives me a big pain in the vorderschirmsheine

382 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:02:15pm

re: #376 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Any game where you start tied up in a shallow grave and get shot in the head can't be that bad.

Sounds like it starts where it ends!!

383 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:02:22pm

re: #377 wrenchwench


Al Neuharth

Founder, Freedom Forum

Al Neuharth is the founder and senior advisory chairman of the Freedom Forum, a nonpartisan foundation dedicated to free press, free speech and free spirit for all people. The Freedom Forum funds and operates the Newseum, the First Amendment Center and the Diversity Institute.

[...]

384 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:04:01pm

re: #383 wrenchwench


Al Neuharth

Founder, Freedom Forum

Al Neuharth is the founder and senior advisory chairman of the Freedom Forum, a nonpartisan foundation dedicated to free press, free speech and free spirit for all people. The Freedom Forum funds and operates the Newseum, the First Amendment Center and the Diversity Institute.

[...]

Oh noz! Diversity!

Ooga booga!

/

385 Kragar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:04:10pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

Sounds like it starts where it ends!!

When you leave somebody for dead, you damn well better be sure they're dead. Tracking the bastards down as soon as I get home.

386 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:04:40pm

re: #375 researchok

A capitalist landowner- there is hope!
/

Oh dude, he's got real estate since I've been alive, he was apparently arch conservative in college, then he was an officer in vietnam and came back a moderate liberal, stayed that way ever since

I think he's to the right of me on education and a couple other things (he's sorta pro-vouchers) but man he had some words to say about Bush. NOT A FAN OF THAT GUY, I was actually softer on Bush than him, he just loathed that administration with extreme vastness

387 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:06:05pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

88 Lines About 44 Women

Youtube Video

Ah, The Nails....

388 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:06:39pm

re: #384 Gus 802

Oh noz! Diversity!

Ooga booga!

/

Yeah, he's no winger:

Freedom Forum

Neuharth founded and has served as chairman of the Freedom Forum since 1991. Each year, the Freedom Forum gives out the Al Neuharth Award for Excellence in the Media. Past winners include Walter Cronkite (1989), Carl T. Rowan (1990), Helen Thomas (1991), Tom Brokaw (1992), Larry King (1993), Charles Kuralt of CBS (1994), Albert R. Hunt and Judy Woodruff (1995), Robert MacNeil (1996), Cokie Roberts (1997), Tim Russert and Louis D. Boccardi (1998), John Seigenthaler (1999), Jim Lehrer (2001), Tom Curley (2002), Don Hewitt of CBS (2004), Garrison Keillor (2005), Bob Schieffer of CBS (2006), John Quinn and Ken Paulson (2007), Charles Overby (2008) and Katie Couric (2009).[6]

389 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:06:49pm

re: #378 Charles

There's quite a battle going on over the LGF page at Wikipedia. Right wing nuts are doing everything they can to get negative items posted.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Look at all the gigantic blocks of text and laborious arguments and spammy crazies on a website discussing the finer points of an article which is about...another website


People who hang out doing wiki wars! god damn i wish I had that much free time!

390 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:06:53pm

re: #378 Charles

There's quite a battle going on over the LGF page at Wikipedia. Right wing nuts are doing everything they can to get negative items posted.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Lots of fun isn't it. I am sorry you have to deal with these creeps. I think the thing that pisses me off the most is that theese are the cretins who wrote the most vile, racist, islamophobic tripe out there, and after you purged them, they are now actively trying to smear you with their own past droppings, as if they are somehow not the original authors.

The hypocrisy is shattering. Presumably, their attempts to smear you in this way would indicate that they disapprove of being delusional, fear-mongering racist assholes.

391 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:09:19pm

re: #378 Charles

This comment was pretty funny:

No time to address any of these points now (will do so later if warranted), but just a note that it would be helpful if you would obtain an editor account. You have made three attempts at this addition via three different IP addresses so far. It's easier to discuss matters like this with a single personality.
392 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:10:31pm

re: #391 jaunte

This comment was pretty funny:

It's easier to discuss matters like this with a single personality.

Wha ,,,, Sybil isn't allowed to post !?!?

393 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:10:34pm

re: #391 jaunte

It's easier to discuss matters like this with a single personality.

There's the problem.

394 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:10:51pm

re: #388 wrenchwench

Yeah, he's no winger:

Wingnut revision to the 1st Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof of Christianity; or abridging the freedom of speech [by real Americans], or of the press[by real Americans]; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble [with loaded machine guns], and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

//

395 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:11:12pm

re: #393 wrenchwench

"Who dumped the sock drawer in here?"

396 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:12:23pm

re: #390 LudwigVanQuixote

Presumably, their attempts to smear you in this way would indicate that they disapprove of being delusional, fear-mongering racist assholes.

Which means they'd have to disapprove of themselves....they're too stupid to see the contradiction.

397 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:15:25pm

re: #386 WindUpBird

Oh dude, he's got real estate since I've been alive, he was apparently arch conservative in college, then he was an officer in vietnam and came back a moderate liberal, stayed that way ever since

I think he's to the right of me on education and a couple other things (he's sorta pro-vouchers) but man he had some words to say about Bush. NOT A FAN OF THAT GUY, I was actually softer on Bush than him, he just loathed that administration with extreme vastness

Interesting.

I liked the first term Bush a lot better than the second term Bush. Mostly because by that time, I realized just how 'imperious' and secretive he was. His true background came out- old Yankee money, etc. That Texas populist stuff was just for show.

In a way, W and Obama have a lot in common. They each really have two sides to them, that imperious side and a more connected 'folksy' side.

There are both very bright (I know you will probably roll your eyes at that). Although Obama's 'bright' is far more evident, W's bright was far more practical. I admire each of them for standing up against the critics who expected them to abandon reality for ideology.

I suspect your dad is the flip side of the coin in my pocket. I do believe environment shapes political identity far more than we care to admit. You live in a more progressive area, I'm in a more conservative milieu. In truth, moderates on either side have very little of substance that divides them. Mostly, it boils down to methodology, as in, 'How do we get to the desired option'.

398 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:15:50pm

re: #378 Charles

Charles, do you think it is time to consider a chapter at Wiki about the serial stalker trolls?

399 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:16:23pm

Hey, just read that Univision has reversed their decision and will not air the "don't vote" ad.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

400 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:16:45pm

re: #398 Reginald Perrin

Charles, do you think it is time to consider a chapter at Wiki about the serial stalker trolls?


"They'll" take it as a sign of legitimacy!

401 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:17:18pm

re: #399 Stanley Sea

Hey, just read that Univision has reversed their decision and will not air the "don't vote" ad.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Kwa kwa.

/

402 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:17:18pm

re: #398 Reginald Perrin

Charles, do you think it is time to consider a chapter at Wiki about the serial stalker trolls?

I don't think it would be appropriate for me to add that, but if someone else wants to, I think it would be a great idea.

403 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:18:42pm

re: #378 Charles

In further notes, they are busy wallowing up a storm over some of my posts.

Apparantly Rodan thinks he beat me in a debate at some point - we have never actually been on the same blog, and Gary Cooper and Bagua think they schooled me on AGW and science in general.

The rest are making the usual homophobic slurs which strike me as counter productive for them since they will never get actual women and a strong dose of the I'm rubber you're glue defense. Though they are also using the well you are a poopyhead! No no a GAY poopyhead!!! counter.

Most amusing is that Doriangrey is going on about his big six foot unit after his and bunks discussion of their tiny, shriveled, unused and unlamented little man parts.

Bunk writes:

@ doriangrey:
Look at it like this. 5-1/2 inches is considered average, but in metric it’s 14 centimeters. Much more impressive to the uninitiated.

You can't make this up!

To my adoring fans, dream on.

In some other world, with an alternate reality, you are worthwhile people, studly lovers and fierce warriors, whose brilliance is acknowledged by all and who have the respect of those who have full sets of teeth.

In this world, you are nothing more or less than pathetic, uneducated spiteful little children who are always afraid. In this world, you are mocked by anyone with an education or a future. You are the aging scared dregs of the belly of white America. Your many failings and shortcomings are so massive that you retreat to your fantasies as a defense mechanism against the jealousy and rage that must come from the knowledge of a wasted and worthless existence. Worst of all, you are old enough to look back on your lack of accomplishments and realize this is true.

Why else would hate blogging be so central to your existences?

If you weren't so pathetic and hateful, I would pity you.

404 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:19:41pm

re: #402 Charles

I don't think it would be appropriate for me to add that, but if someone else wants to, I think it would be a great idea.

Feel free to use my stalker guide as source material.

405 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:20:49pm

re: #399 Stanley Sea

Hey, just read that Univision has reversed their decision and will not air the "don't vote" ad.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

'Think Progress would appear far more dignified had they just said

'Not voting is not a democratic principle. Every voice and every ballot matters'

Their article reads like yet another political hatchet job.

406 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:22:33pm

re: #403 LudwigVanQuixote

In further notes, they are busy wallowing up a storm over some of my posts.

Apparantly Rodan thinks he beat me in a debate at some point - we have never actually been on the same blog, and Gary Cooper and Bagua think they schooled me on AGW and science in general.

The rest are making the usual homophobic slurs which strike me as counter productive for them since they will never get actual women and a strong dose of the I'm rubber you're glue defense. Though they are also using the well you are a poopyhead! No no a GAY poopyhead!!! counter.

Most amusing is that Doriangrey is going on about his big six foot unit after his and bunks discussion of their tiny, shriveled, unused and unlamented little man parts.

Bunk writes:

You can't make this up!

To my adoring fans, dream on.

In some other world, with an alternate reality, you are worthwhile people, studly lovers and fierce warriors, whose brilliance is acknowledged by all and who have the respect of those who have full sets of teeth.

In this world, you are nothing more or less than pathetic, uneducated spiteful little children who are always afraid. In this world, you are mocked by anyone with an education or a future. You are the aging scared dregs of the belly of white America. Your many failings and shortcomings are so massive that you retreat to your fantasies as a defense mechanism against the jealousy and rage that must come from the knowledge of a wasted and worthless existence. Worst of all, you are old enough to look back on your lack of accomplishments and realize this is true.

Why else would hate blogging be so central to your existences?

If you weren't so pathetic and hateful, I would pity you.

3 pointer, nothing but net.

407 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:24:30pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

I imagine it's called the five freedoms to make it easier to remember. The one I remember my classmates having a hard tiem with was the one about petition. It's a biggie of course which is something I've been observing with the peitions I've been signing.

In other words, someone that uses the term "Five Freedoms" is doing it for a soundbite or is too lazy to say it all out...am I wrong?

408 allegro  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:24:55pm

re: #405 researchok

Their article reads like yet another political hatchet job.

Looked more like a thorough look into just who Latinos for Reform are. Funded by the same guys who funded the swiftboat crap?

409 garhighway  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:29:11pm

re: #405 researchok

'Think Progress would appear far more dignified had they just said

'Not voting is not a democratic principle. Every voice and every ballot matters'

Their article reads like yet another political hatchet job.

What did they get wrong?

410 researchok  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:29:44pm

re: #408 allegro

Looked more like a thorough look into just who Latinos for Reform are. Funded by the same guys who funded the swiftboat crap?

I get that- I just believe the high road would have been more effective- a one shot to the heart of it.

Now I'm sure we'll see a response, back and forth, etc.

411 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:30:24pm

re: #402 Charles

I don't think it would be appropriate for me to add that, but if someone else wants to, I think it would be a great idea.

I would like to contribute to a group effort if others are interested.
The idea came to me months ago but I was reluctant to give the serial stalker trolls the attention they constantly crave.

412 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:33:14pm

Giants 1
Phillies 0

(weather and traffic are next!!)

413 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:34:12pm

Thirty Two Great Sports Calls

414 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:34:34pm

re: #412 sattv4u2

Giants 1 2
Phillies 0

(weather and traffic are next!!)

415 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:34:50pm

re: #412 sattv4u2

Giants 1
Phillies 0

(weather and traffic are next!!)

weather: continued stupid, with a chance of shitstorms

416 darthstar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:35:18pm

Cody fucking Ross! And Huff-daddy!

417 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:35:40pm

the man is a fucking war criminal who let his troops beat the shit out of an innocent police man among other things. he should be rotting in prison, not running for office.

418 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:35:55pm

re: #411 Reginald Perrin

I would like to contribute to a group effort if others are interested.
The idea came to me months ago but I was reluctant to give the serial stalker trolls the attention they constantly crave.

Can I help?

419 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:36:00pm

re: #413 bratwurst

Thirty Two Great Sports Calls

Having been born and raised in Boston, I remember this one well!!!

“Havlicek steals the ball!”

421 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:39:12pm

re: #413 bratwurst

re: #419 sattv4u2

Having been born and raised in Boston, I remember this one well!!!

“Havlicek steals the ball!”

Not to mention Bucky (fuc****) Dent!

422 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:40:56pm

re: #421 sattv4u2

re: #419 sattv4u2

Not to mention Bucky (fuc***) Dent!

And Bill (Fuc****) Buckner

“Little roller up along first… behind the bag! It gets through Buckner! Here comes Knight and the Mets win it!”

423 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:41:42pm

re: #422 sattv4u2

And Bill (Fuc***) Buckner

“Little roller up along first… behind the bag! It gets through Buckner! Here comes Knight and the Mets win it!”

And on a brighter note

“Now there’s a steal by Bird! Underneath to DJ who lays it in!”

424 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:41:50pm

re: #400 sattv4u2

"They'll" take it as a sign of legitimacy!

That may be what they believe in their alternative reality. You bare forgetting that the stalkers started out as trolls. They can't deny reality, they have bragged it about on blogs.
If they leave it alone, it is a win win......the reality based universe get's the truth and they can take it as a sign of legitimacy.

If however they can't suppress their appetite for trolling, they will just validate our assertion that they are vile trolls.

425 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:41:53pm

Ohh and not surprisingly, they are busy howling like loons about a WUWT post that stupidly and full of idiot mistakes attacks the CO2 in a jar presentation.

Just to debunk it...

The proper demonstration uses a powerful 200W lamp that gives off a lot of IR, right up close to the tanks.

This is done so all of the light emitted has a chance to go into the tanks and most importantly to compensate for the tanks equilibrating to room temperature.

A tank of any hot fluid will come to room temperature. Gasses with low specific heats, and in think walled tanks with lots of surface area will cool to room temp very quickly.

This is basic thermo. Something which none of them understands.

So, WUWT, "did the experiment" by placing the tanks about a half meter back from a 60W house bulb.

Of those 60 W, most of course went up towards the celing or down towards the table, and only a fraction of that energy was available to interact with the tanks.

Just to make certain they could skew the results some more, the WUWT people used a cold room. Heat transfers faster, the greater the difference in temperature. This is also basic physics.

So yes, stalkers and WUWT, when you skew something so it won't wok, it doesn't work. Good show cretins.

Not surprisingly, the WUWT

426 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:43:28pm

re: #424 Reginald Perrin

Good points,, but what I meant by it is in their minds it will be a
"Hey ,, look ,, they're talking about ME !! I made them do that ,,I'm SOMEBODY!!,, I matter!!"

427 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:49:27pm

re: #426 sattv4u2


They are pathetic serial stalker trolls, who cares what they think as long as the inhabitants of the reality based universe get a LGF Wiki that is facts based?

428 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:50:21pm

re: #425 LudwigVanQuixote

Speaking of which, Watts has an opinion piece in the latest Christian Science Monitor, crowing about Lewis' flounce letter from the APS.

However, looking at the comments show some of the readers are not so easily fooled.

429 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:52:11pm

re: #427 Reginald Perrin

They are pathetic serial stalker trolls, who cares what they think as long as the inhabitants of the reality based universe get a LGF Wiki that is facts based?

Not too converse on how Wki works, but iirc (as evidenced of what Charles is talking about) anyone (them) can go and add/ edit things

Why give them a forum?

430 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:53:19pm

re: #399 Stanley Sea

Hey, just read that Univision has reversed their decision and will not air the "don't vote" ad.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Looks like ThinkProgress read Charles's thread on it and all of Gus's links, and dashed off an article. Of course the information is out there for everyone....

431 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:54:32pm

re: #428 freetoken

Speaking of which, Watts has an opinion piece in the latest Christian Science Monitor, crowing about Lewis' flounce letter from the APS.

However, looking at the comments show some of the readers are not so easily fooled.

Thank God that not everyone is fooled by that hack of a failed Fox weather man who poses as a scientist.

432 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:56:42pm

re: #429 sattv4u2

Not too converse on how Wki works, but iirc (as evidenced of what Charles is talking about) anyone (them) can go and add/ edit things

Why give them a forum?

Uh, no. It does NOT work to ignore this kind of crap.

And I can't help wondering why someone always pops up to try to get people to ignore it.

433 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 2:58:33pm

re: #319 Charles

It seems like there is a legitimate educator's organization that's started promoting it. It's a somewhat inaccurate description, since the rights enumerated in the first amendment actually amount to far more than five freedoms. Even just the part about religion is clearly two parts.

There's the freedom to practice religion, and the freedom from government-sponsored religion.

434 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:00:07pm

re: #432 Charles

Uh, no. It does NOT work to ignore this kind of crap.

And I can't help wondering why someone always pops up to try to get people to ignore it.

I got your back.

435 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:00:08pm

re: #432 Charles

Uh, no. It does NOT work to ignore this kind of crap.

And I always wonder why someone pops up to try to get people to ignore it.

Not asking people to "ignore" anything

Was stating how as by what you're stating above, links there get hijacked with misinformation/ lies/ obfuscation

As stated, why give the trolls/ stalkers an opening

436 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:04:36pm

re: #435 sattv4u2

The links are ALREADY being hijacked by stalker talking points.

437 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:05:29pm

re: #429 sattv4u2


Why give them a forum?

Who says the serial stalker trolls down at the cesspool are going to get a forum ? I have dealt with these intellectual lightweights in the past, trust me, I have a devious plan to exploit their weaknesses.

438 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:06:18pm

re: #436 Charles

The links are ALREADY being hijacked by stalker talking points.

And thats my point

Why give them a link INVITING them to "set the record straight"(in their warped heads)

439 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:06:41pm

re: #437 Reginald Perrin

I have a devious plan to exploit their weaknesses.

i will not speculate, i will not speculate, i will not speculate..........

440 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:06:42pm

re: #437 Reginald Perrin

Why give them a forum?

Who says the serial stalker trolls down at the cesspool are going to get a forum ? I have dealt with these intellectual lightweights in the past, trust me, I have a devious plan to exploit their weaknesses.

Great ,, but can you be vigilant 24/7?

441 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:13:18pm

re: #440 sattv4u2

Great ,, but can you be vigilant 24/7?

Why would anyone have to be guarding anything? Do you think I would be foolish enough to actually post the section without taken advance steps to neuter their reaction? Or in the best case scenario use their reaction to prove our assertion.

442 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:17:21pm

re: #441 Reginald Perrin

Why would anyone have to be guarding anything? Do you think I would be foolish enough to actually post the section without taken advance steps to neuter their reaction? Or in the best case scenario use their reaction to prove our assertion.

All I said was, from what Charles stated above (#378)
Right wing nuts are doing everything they can to get negative items posted.

And all I stated was give them a Wiki Link talking about THEM being trolls/ stalkers and they will be foaming not only at the mouth, but out of every orifice

I am probably wrong, but thats how I see it from the cheap seats

443 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:21:05pm

re: #442 sattv4u2

Why are you so concerned?

444 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:25:02pm

re: #443 Reginald Perrin

Why are you so concerned?

Oh for Gods sake


"We" spend lots of time talking about how vile and obsessive the stalkers are.

I stated an opinion. That opinion being exactly what I stated it was, just giving "them" another forum, another reason to foment against Charles in particular and LGF in general

445 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:31:21pm

re: #435 sattv4u2

Was stating how as by what you're stating above, links there get hijacked with misinformation/ lies/ obfuscation

Amazing ain't it, like when full grown adults repeat lies about the basic structure of the very tax brackets they've paid into their entire adult lives. It's pretty unbelievable, but it happens.

446 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:32:08pm

re: #444 sattv4u2

They are fucking trolls who happened to work for Tea-Bagger Eric Odom during the last election. Those are facts etched in stone.

447 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:34:50pm

re: #446 Reginald Perrin

They are fucking trolls who happened to work for Tea-Bagger Eric Odom during the last election. Those are facts etched in stone.

I'm sorry, but did I dispute that somewhere?

448 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:36:55pm

re: #445 goddamnedfrank

Amazing ain't it, like when full grown adults repeat lies about the basic structure of the very tax brackets they've paid into their entire adult lives. It's pretty unbelievable, but it happens.

Yeah ,, shame on me,,,, imagine ,, making a mistake!
What was I thinking!?!?

oh ,, yeah ,,, my mother in ICU ,,,, my son with an undiagnosed stomach ailment. I come on to say hi to some 'friends", have a laugh or two, and perhaps take my mind off of things

Oh , the Humanity!!

449 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:42:43pm

re: #448 sattv4u2

Down-ding for playing the victim card instead of addressing GDF's assertion like an adult.

450 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:45:24pm

re: #449 Reginald Perrin

Down-ding for playing the victim card instead of addressing GDF's assertion like an adult.

Gee

Just when I thought things couldn't get any worse!

451 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:46:48pm

re: #450 sattv4u2

Gee

Just when I thought things couldn't get any worse!

I bet you're shaking in you boot now... teach you a lesson.

452 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:47:46pm

re: #451 Walter L. Newton

I bet you're shaking in you boot now... teach you a lesson.

I may need therapy to recover!

453 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:01:56pm

re: #451 Walter L. Newton
Wally:

He who laughs last, laughs best.

454 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:04:01pm

re: #453 Reginald Perrin

Wally:

He who laughs last, laughs best wasn't bright enough to get the joke to start with.

just sayin!

455 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:05:31pm

re: #398 Reginald Perrin

Charles, do you think it is time to consider a chapter at Wiki about the serial stalker trolls?

That oughta be fun to try to defend in the discussions with the very dudes being excoriated in the article arguing about it

Let me know, I'll come watch :D

456 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:07:51pm

re: #448 sattv4u2

you didn't make a mistake, come on. That's a talking point, obviously false, repeated constantly because fools believe it. You're not a fool. That's like me making a mistake on whether cars run on ice cream or not ;-)

457 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:08:48pm

re: #451 Walter L. Newton

I bet you're shaking in you boot now... teach you a lesson.

I just like it when people are honest

I sorta think it's cool to discuss things with intellectual honesty!

Weird, I know!

458 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:11:27pm

re: #455 WindUpBird

That oughta be fun to try to defend in the discussions with the very dudes being excoriated in the article arguing about it

Let me know, I'll come watch :D

I don't work that way, the Wiki get's posted when it is the opportune time. The serial stalker trolls are going to be distracted by a bright shiny object.
I doubt it could be done in less than 90 days, more likely to take more than 4 months.

459 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:13:17pm

re: #456 WindUpBird

you didn't make a mistake, come on. That's a talking point, obviously false, repeated constantly because fools believe it. You're not a fool. That's like me making a mistake on whether cars run on ice cream or not ;-)

Actually,, I did,,
I really don't care whether you (or anyone) believes it ((well,, I kinda do!!!:),,)). I reacted badly and emotionally, something I try to avoid here, but hey ,, I have this thing called a temper ( 1/4 Irish ,, 1/4 Sicilian will do that to a guy))


And I now know I can't state things that are going on, having been chastised for "playing the victim card" (((HORRORS))))

460 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:16:07pm

re: #456 WindUpBird

From now on my posts will be pure Milquetoast!!!

((heh ,, who am I kiddin!?!?))

461 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:27:40pm

re: #448 sattv4u2

Yeah ,, shame on me,,, imagine ,, making a mistake!
What was I thinking!?!?

oh ,, yeah ,,, my mother in ICU ,,, my son with an undiagnosed stomach ailment. I come on to say hi to some 'friends", have a laugh or two, and perhaps take my mind off of things

Oh , the Humanity!!

Oh Christ. We all have personal shit going on, and none of it is responsible for any delusions we might have. You didn't make a mistake so much as you were clinging tightly to a deeply held delusion. Now that the wool has been lifted from your eyes you can examine the consequences of this false belief, how holding onto it was feeding fundamentally flawed data into the mental equation that formed your economic ideology. Either way I wish your family the best and hope that your new understanding of how taxes are actually assessed improves your grasp of fundamental economic realities.

462 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:30:42pm

re: #461 goddamnedfrank

God Bless Us,, Every One!

463 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:54:33pm

re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote


The beautiful thing about Blair mountain is that when the hired goons realized that the people they were oppressing would shoot back, it was harder for the coal barons to hire goons.

Ahhh history repeats doesn't it.

Kind of like how certain parties were surprised that Jews who knew how to use guns would have and use them in what became Israel.

Remember the redneck bar scene in 24HRS? Eddie Murphy rousting a supposedly bad-ass redneck and telling him, "I'm your worst nightmare--a n***** with a badge!"

464 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 12:07:13am

re: #179 WindUpBird

They want the other way, they want church to have power over government. That's the goal. Get enough dominionists in office that America becomes defacto reflective of extreme social conservative Christian ideology.

Either way, I stay in Portland where it makes sense and people tend not to elect crazy people

After the way the so-cons took over the Republican Party after they were invited in for just their votes, you would think the so-cons themselves would understand that their religion could take over the government--and be taken over by it.

But that would require thinking, wouldn't it? And we all know that isn't allowed among that crowd.


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