Christine O'Donnell is Not the Only GOP Politician Who Denies Separation of Church and State

Christine O’Donnell is Not the Only GOP Politician Who Denies Separation of Church and State

WingnutsOctober 2010 • Views: 9,003

Peter Daou makes a good point about Christine O’Donnell’s First Amendment gaffe — to the right wing audience it was aimed at, this was not a gaffe.

It’s an article of faith (literally) on the right wing that separation of church and state was not the intention of the First Amendment. And Christine O’Donnell is far from the only GOP candidate pushing this fringe nonsense; in fact, it’s ubiquitous in today’s GOP.

In the past few months, we’ve noted many of these statements by GOP politicians and pundits:

The Texas State Board of Education
The Texas State Board of Education again
GOP Sen. Tom Coburn
Sharron Angle
Rick Santorum
Glen Urquhart

That’s from a quick search through our archives; I could easily find many more. The religious right is making a huge push to legitimize this revisionist hooey.

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Ben Jephazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:29:34pm

It may not have been a gaffe to her base, but they're the only ones who are going to vote for her. Thank God. I'm much more worried about Angle (or rather, Harry Reid Derangement Syndrome).

Also fortunate, Rick Santorum is frothy poop man. Thanks Dan Savage! That's one heckuva smear campaign!

nines09 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:29:39pm

I wish I could call it hooey.

darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:31:10pm

re: #1 3eff Jeff

It may not have been a gaffe to her base, but they're the only ones who are going to vote for her. Thank God. I'm much more worried about Angle (or rather, Harry Reid Derangement Syndrome).

Also fortunate, Rick Santorum is frothy poop man. Thanks Dan Savage! That's one heckuva smear campaign!

I'm worried about Angle too, but there is some good news...Dems are gaining ground in Missouri, Rand Paul and Jack Conway are now tied, and Russ Feingold in Wisconsin is in a dead heat (was down 7 just a week or two ago).

Dems could end up with 53 or even 54 seats in the Senate if this keeps up.

Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:31:40pm

And of course, Glenn Beck and David Barton are pumping out the revisionist history day after day on Fox News.

darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:31:43pm

re: #3 darthstar

Oh, and McAdams, Murkowski, and Miller are all within the margin of error in Alaska, so that's not a slam dunk for the teabagger anymore.

Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:34:40pm

re: #5 darthstar

fingers crossed for the tebaggers losing most if not all their races. if that happens (a-la NY23).
And if they do - well, heck yeah, watch them drive even further right - wooo-doggy.

Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:35:42pm

Ah yes the moron wingnuts at #desen:

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freetoken Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:36:02pm

The 1st Amendment revisionism is just the tip of the iceberg. Within theocratic Christian circles there is a revisionism that spans all of American, and even world, history.

Though the self-declared libertarians want to imagine the "Tea Party" as just a "small government" movement - see Matt Welch as an example - the reality is that right from the beginning with Dick Armey and Beck (with his 9/12 groups) etc. were very religiously minded and intent of foaming a religiously inspired movement.

darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:36:02pm

re: #6 wozzablog

fingers crossed for the tebaggers losing most if not all their races. if that happens (a-la NY23).
And if they do - well, heck yeah, watch them drive even further right - wooo-doggy.

"Moderate" Republican Lindsey Graham has already promised more obstruction in 2011...so there will be no adults on that side of the aisle after all.

Linden Arden Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:37:33pm

Add Newt Gingrich.

His last book included the term "Obama Securlarism" and how it is destroying America in the title.

Newt should know the First Amendment in its full Secularist glory by now - since in the past adulterers like himself were stoned to death.

Ben Jephazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:37:40pm

re: #3 darthstar

I'm worried about Angle too, but there is some good news...Dems are gaining ground in Missouri, Rand Paul and Jack Conway are now tied, and Russ Feingold in Wisconsin is in a dead heat (was down 7 just a week or two ago).

Dems could end up with 53 or even 54 seats in the Senate if this keeps up.

The polls are actually pretty heartening. Particularly Kentucky. With a state that red, I didn't think Conway had a chance, even against Rand Paul, but it's a lot closer than I would have thought, and Paul is not polling over 50%. I'm hoping Angle pulls an October Surprise against herself. I think it's a real possibility (or maybe we're watching it right now, with the blatantly racist ads).

darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:41:21pm

re: #11 3eff Jeff

The polls are actually pretty heartening. Particularly Kentucky. With a state that red, I didn't think Conway had a chance, even against Rand Paul, but it's a lot closer than I would have thought, and Paul is not polling over 50%. I'm hoping Angle pulls an October Surprise against herself. I think it's a real possibility (or maybe we're watching it right now, with the blatantly racist ads).

We just need Angle to go off her meds for two or three days and she'll have a public meltdown.

Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:41:40pm

Rand Paul and Ron Paul are also theocrats.

[Link: www.talk2action.org...]

garhighway Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:44:26pm

OT, but significant:

Great Britain is planning big cuts in the size and cost of their military:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Ben Jephazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:46:58pm

re: #12 darthstar

We just need Angle to go off her meds for two or three days and she'll have a public meltdown.

During a secret, emergency campaign meeting held in California, a band of liberals found us and stole our candidates meds. We had a debate scheduled in Las Vegas later in the day and nowhere in the Mojave to resupply in time. But we had to go, otherwise Harry Reid would win.

The meds wore off just outside of Barstow...

What, me worry? Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:47:26pm

re: #7 Gus 802

Ah yes the moron wingnuts at #desen:

So our founding fathers were commies? Yeesh.

lostlakehiker Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:50:07pm

Actually, I'm hoping the Dems retain the Senate, but minus Reid. That doofus needs to go. Anybody will do in his place, even another doofus. He blocked the nuclear waste repository. Anti-science, fear-mongering nonsense it was, and it cost us the chance to make a lot of progress on AGW.

This will cost the whole world dearly, and for centuries to come.

There has to be a political price for that.

At least Reid's had a bit of a scare.

And then we can hope that Inhofe loses, and what's-his-name in Virginia who wants to "investigate" Michael Mann. (Are they even running this time around?) Out, out, doofussi.

garhighway Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:50:35pm

My last NYT clip of the day, and a piece of major weirdness:

Justice Thomas's wife reaches out to Anita Hill.

Says the piece:

"“I did place a call to Ms. Hill at her office extending an olive branch to her after all these years, in hopes that we could ultimately get passed what happened so long ago,” Ms. Thomas said in a statement provided to The New York Times.

WTF?

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:50:39pm

re: #16 marjoriemoon

So our founding fathers were commies? Yeesh.

Typical ignorant chest beaters. I don't think most of the American Taliban have even read or have a complete understanding of what our founding fathers planned.

garhighway Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:52:13pm

re: #17 lostlakehiker

Actually, I'm hoping the Dems retain the Senate, but minus Reid. That doofus needs to go. Anybody will do in his place, even another doofus. He blocked the nuclear waste repository. Anti-science, fear-mongering nonsense it was, and it cost us the chance to make a lot of progress on AGW.

This will cost the whole world dearly, and for centuries to come.

There has to be a political price for that.

At least Reid's had a bit of a scare.

And then we can hope that Inhofe loses, and what's-his-name in Virginia who wants to "investigate" Michael Mann. (Are they even running this time around?) Out, out, doofussi.

While i agree that his Yucca Mountain move was a bad one, he is still better than Angle.

A yucca plant is better than Angle.

engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:54:29pm

Im sorry your partys getting fired in 2 weeks but thats democracy. What? Now the left doesnt want it? Hypocrisy alert if you aks me.

wingnut belief in certain foreknowledge of the future

also, apparantly apostrophes are socialist

bratwurst Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:56:44pm

re: #21 engineer dog

also, apparantly apostrophes are socialist

No socialist, ELITIST!

garhighway Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:56:46pm

re: #21 engineer dog

Im sorry your partys getting fired in 2 weeks but thats democracy. What? Now the left doesnt want it? Hypocrisy alert if you aks me.

wingnut belief in certain foreknowledge of the future

also, apparantly apostrophes are socialist

Perhaps we shouldn't aks him.

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:57:00pm

All this reminds me of a story relating to the town where I went to college.

The place was built in colonial times, and it was built so that the church and the Governor's mansion were on opposite sides of the town with the intention of symbolizing the separation of church and state....

But I guess these people don't so much want them to be side by side, but the same f***ing building!

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:57:16pm

re: #6 wozzablog

fingers crossed for the tebaggers losing most if not all their races. if that happens (a-la NY23).
And if they do - well, heck yeah, watch them drive even further right - wooo-doggy.

Tea party wins big: "See, this works! Blazin' Crazypants 9000 from here on out!"

Tea party loses big: "Ack! We simply were not successful at getting our message across. Now it is our sacred duty to crank it up a to eleven for 2012!"

Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:57:38pm

The Age of Reason
Writings of Thomas Paine — Volume 4 (1794-1796)

Free downloads in a variety of formats. See pulldown menu on right.

engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:59:02pm

Blazin' Crazypants 9000

hey! our cat's name is ignatz crazypants!

didn't know he had fambly...

Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 3:59:21pm

I am unwilling to attribute bad designs, deliberate wickedness, to you or to any man; I cannot avoid believing, that you think you have truth on your side, and that you are doing service to mankind in endeavouring to root out what you esteem superstition. What I blame you for is this—that you have attempted to lessen the authority of the Bible by ridicule, more than by reason. - Thomas Paine

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:02:42pm

re: #17 lostlakehiker

Actually, I'm hoping the Dems retain the Senate, but minus Reid. That doofus needs to go. Anybody will do in his place, even another doofus. He blocked the nuclear waste repository. Anti-science, fear-mongering nonsense it was, and it cost us the chance to make a lot of progress on AGW.

This will cost the whole world dearly, and for centuries to come.

There has to be a political price for that.

At least Reid's had a bit of a scare.

And then we can hope that Inhofe loses, and what's-his-name in Virginia who wants to "investigate" Michael Mann. (Are they even running this time around?) Out, out, doofussi.

My suggestion that I'll continue to shout from the rooftops?

In case Harry Ried looses but democrats retain 50+ seats? Al Franken should take his place.

Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:04:43pm

Thomas Paine was still ahead of his time.

Paine could not publish part III of The Age of Reason in America until 1807 because of the deep antipathy against him. Hailed only a few years earlier as a hero of the American revolution, Paine was now lambasted in the press and called "the scavenger of faction", a "lilly-livered sinical [sic] rogue", a "loathsome reptile", a "demi-human archbeast", "an object of disgust, of abhorrence, of absolute loathing to every decent man except the President of the United States [Thomas Jefferson]".[90] In October 1805 John Adams wrote to his friend Benjamin Waterhouse, an American physician and scientist:

I am willing you should call this the Age of Frivolity as you do, and would not object if you had named it the Age of Folly, Vice, Frenzy, Brutality, Daemons, Buonaparte [sic], Tom Paine, or the Age of the Burning Brand from Bottomless Pit, or anything but the Age of Reason. I know not whether any man in the world has had more influence on its inhabitants or affairs for the last thirty years than Tom Paine. There can be no severer satyr [sic] on the age. For such a mongrel between pig and puppy, begotten by a wild boar on a bitch wolf, never before in any age of the world was suffered by the poltroonery of mankind, to run through such a career of mischief. Call it then the Age of Paine - John Adams

Stephen T. Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:05:18pm

re: #25 negativ

Tea party loses big: "Ack! We simply were not successful at getting our message across. Now it is our sacred duty to crank it up a to eleven for 2012!"

More likely "Arg! The liberals are still committing voter fraud, we must be sure to disenfran... I mean, protect our democracy for 2012!"

Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:05:49pm

It's high time we removed "In God we Trust" from our money.

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:09:07pm

As I argued earlier, seperation of church and state is great because it works both ways. A particular church can't domiante the government nor can the government dominate a religion. I have the freedom to worship or not worship which is really a wonderful thing. Thanks TJ, JM, and countless others.

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:11:52pm

re: #32 Gus 802

It's high time we removed "In God we Trust" from our money.

re: #32 Gus 802

It's high time we removed "In God we Trust" from our money.

Can we also drop "one nation under god" from our pledge?

And maybe get people to sign in with their hands on the Constitution they're suppose to be pledging to support instead of religious texts?

Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:12:05pm

More reflections on how backwards our country was:

In the United States, The Age of Reason initially caused a deistic "revival", but was then viciously attacked and soon forgotten. Paine became so reviled that he could still be maligned as a "filthy little atheist" by Theodore Roosevelt over one hundred years later.

Ming Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:12:06pm

Keep in mind that candidates from the religious right who express such views about the Constitution are NOT doing this simply so they can get votes. These candidates seriously intend to take action on these views: filibustering any judicial appointment who does not agree with them, sponsoring laws intended to impose Biblical Law in the United States, restricting abortion any way they can, harassing gays any way they can, and spend spend spend government money to get a Christian theocracy going. These are NOT extreme positions "in the heat of a campaign", and when the election is over, everyone becomes friends again and goes back to work. These people are serious.

Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:13:18pm

re: #34 jamesfirecat

re: #32 Gus 802

Can we also drop "one nation under god" from our pledge?

And maybe get people to sign in with their hands on the Constitution they're suppose to be pledging to support instead of religious texts?

That too since that was another Cold War propaganda revision.

Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:15:24pm

re: #32 Gus 802

It's high time we removed "In God we Trust" from our money.

I agree... but I would take it a few steps further. First off, I don't think there should be any displays in public of religious objects, ie: bibles, crosses on chains, other little do-dads and the such. Crosses and signs outside of churches are fine, but there should be some regulations in regards to size and proximity to other establishments, especially places like schools and day care centers.

Public displays of religiosity should be in the least low keyed or at the most... non-existent.

Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:15:41pm

And today, of course, Rush Limbaugh came out supporting Christine O'Donnell's idiotic claim. He says "separation of church and state" is an incorrect interpretation of the First Amendment.

Quote: "The fact that people laughed about this is REALLY SCARY."

wrenchwench Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:15:59pm

re: #34 jamesfirecat

re: #32 Gus 802

Can we also drop "one nation under god" from our pledge?

And maybe get people to sign in with their hands on the Constitution they're suppose to be pledging to support instead of religious texts?

I especially like that last suggestion.

theheat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:16:47pm

re: #36 Ming

Yes, exactly what Ming said. I've been in the trenches with these critters for years, and what we laugh at and call crazy is their bread and butter. They live and breath this shit for real, including all the crazy and bad stuff they want to inflict upon the nation.

Seriously, they live it. These aren't just little flubs they make speaking. It's what they are right down to their bones.

freetoken Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:17:18pm

re: #17 lostlakehiker

Anti-science, fear-mongering nonsense it was, and it cost us the chance to make a lot of progress on AGW.

As far as I can tell, "progress" on issues such as AGW-mitigation and adaptation will require significantly more changes than just tweaking the current cadre of national leaders and policies.

And, with very imminent issues wrt lack of real financial reform, oil dependency, global labor competition, commodity (resource) competition, mass migration (of humans), etc. on the schedule of big picture issues which must be addressed, I propose the best we can do in this democracy is manage to keep ourselves from being drowned in crises-itis.

Petero1818 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:17:19pm

To me the most important part here is not that she does not believe in the separation of Church and State (I took that as a given for her), it is that quite simply she was completely unaware that the First Amendment was the source for the widely accepted and Supreme Court supported Separation of Church and State. It was clear to me that she knew her GOP and Tea PArty talking points, but clearly did not have the intellectual curiosity to even attempt to understand the argument for separation of church and state, its origins etc... I agree with the earlier comment that she is not fit to be elected dog catcher. She says she is a Constitutionalist but has no idea what the document says.

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:17:33pm

re: #39 Charles

And today, of course, Rush Limbaugh came out supporting Christine O'Donnell's idiotic claim. He says "separation of church and state" is an incorrect interpretation of the First Amendment.

Quote: "The fact that people laughed about this is REALLY SCARY."

The fact that Limbaugh has credibility scares me more.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:17:53pm

re: #29 jamesfirecat

My suggestion that I'll continue to shout from the rooftops?

In case Harry Ried looses but democrats retain 50+ seats? Al Franken should take his place.

Franken is smart, assertive, and infuriates conservatives because they have no answer for him.

The constant talking point by the drones is that they like to smear him as a "comedian" as if Al Franken wasn't three times as smart as the fools criticizing him, as if Al Franken couldn't outwonk anyone on this blog. As if comedians are all 100% stupid and not, you know, incredibly influential satirists who could intellectually dominate any politician they come across.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:18:46pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

The fact that Limbaugh has credibility scares me more.

Rush Limbaugh's popularity is a constant reminder to me of what America could turn into.

Whee!

freetoken Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:19:37pm

re: #32 Gus 802

It's high time we removed "In God we Trust" from our money.

Especially since it is at best hypocritical, even for the religious believers.

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:20:19pm

re: #39 Charles

And today, of course, Rush Limbaugh came out supporting Christine O'Donnell's idiotic claim. He says "separation of church and state" is an incorrect interpretation of the First Amendment.

Quote: "The fact that people laughed about this is REALLY SCARY."

Umm... what does he think " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; "

Means?

This isn't like the Bible where we don't really know who wrote it and we've had to have it translated in several other different languages before we got around to English, the First Amendment was written in English to start with, it's not that hard to interpret!

Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:20:23pm

re: #36 Ming

These people are serious.

A few of them are but most are educated and know there's no possible way they can deliver on the platforms they are campaigning on. Laws passed which violate the constitution will be thrown out by the courts. Stacking the Supreme court with Paulian justices would take decades of libertarian presidents. Amending the Constitution is almost impossible. Repealing amendments is equally difficult.
Once these idiots get into office they are going to protect their positions. Disastrous Tea Party policies will get them thrown out.
Government is never going to get any smaller. The IRS and the Federal Reserve are not going away anytime soon. Same with the EPA and Department of Education. We're not going to withdraw from the UN.
There are a few serious loons like Ron Paul who really believe this stuff. The rest are just playing to the crowd.

theheat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:20:30pm

re: #45 WindUpBird

I used to think he was a joke in politics. Then I listened to him rip apart some of the less intellectually gifted in the political arena, and had a lot more respect for him. He may be a funny guy, but I feel he's credible in politics.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:22:05pm

re: #36 Ming

These people are serious.

Oh yeah! Creepy prosperity gospel weirdos,and their megachurchy socon brethren don't stop the politics after election day, they're spooning this stuff out every day

freetoken Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:22:24pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Laws passed which violate the constitution will be thrown out by the courts.

Who needs these things you call "laws" when one can hire their own security guard force?

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:22:30pm

It's just funny that these same people are the biggest fearmongrels about Muslims and stuff out there yet they want to link religion with the government. I am not saying that tolerance of Muslims will lead to Sharia because that's ridiculous but technically speaking if you link religion and state together you increase the chance of that happening. And I'll ask again why would anyone want church and state together? For a bunch of supposed anti government people that crowd sure does get hard at the thought of the government and churches being one.

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:22:54pm

re: #45 WindUpBird

Franken is smart, assertive, and infuriates conservatives because they have no answer for him.

The constant talking point by the drones is that they like to smear him as a "comedian" as if Al Franken wasn't three times as smart as the fools criticizing him, as if Al Franken couldn't outwonk anyone on this blog. As if comedians are all 100% stupid and not, you know, incredibly influential satirists who could intellectually dominate any politician they come across.

Many seem to hate Jon Stewart for the exact same reason....

Stewart for Senator?

Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:23:19pm

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

I agree... but I would take it a few steps further. First off, I don't think there should be any displays in public of religious objects, ie: bibles, crosses on chains, other little do-dads and the such. Crosses and signs outside of churches are fine, but there should be some regulations in regards to size and proximity to other establishments, especially places like schools and day care centers.

Public displays of religiosity should be in the least low keyed or at the most... non-existent.

No.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:23:50pm

re: #54 jamesfirecat

Many seem to hate Jon Stewart for the exact same reason...

Stewart for Senator?

It'd be a waste, he can do more good in the media :D

theheat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:24:33pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

They're already operating in violation of federal law in the Texas school system. When is that going to be rectified? I see what happens in Texas and Louisiana (the creepy touchy-feely ultrasound bill) and realize their pipe dreams are becoming reality in the face of the Constitution.

I wouldn't underestimate a zealot, and they are poised to strike.

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:25:03pm

re: #56 WindUpBird

It'd be a waste, he can do more good in the media :D

His show lasts for what, 12 to 13 min if you cut out the adds and the interview which is often more or less pointless?

I'm sure he could find time for it even a Senator...

Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:25:32pm

re: #57 theheat

They're already operating in violation of federal law in the Texas school system. When is that going to be rectified? I see what happens in Texas and Louisiana (the creepy touchy-feely ultrasound bill) and realize their pipe dreams are becoming reality in the face of the Constitution.

I wouldn't underestimate a zealot, and they are poised to strike.

Watch you back... there may be a Christian behind you... boo.

theheat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:28:09pm

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

No, Walter, they're right in front of me. They worst pseudo Christians are running for office, complete with their fucked up socon agendas. If you doubt me, take a look at at least one daily post here, or on any news site. I hardly think it's paranoia.

wrenchwench Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:28:16pm

re: #36 Ming

These are NOT extreme positions "in the heat of a campaign", and when the election is over, everyone becomes friends again and goes back to work. These people are serious.

Getting votes is possibly secondary. They are building highly profitable organizations, supplying themselves with high salaries and nice offices. Appealing to crazies is job security, especially with the donation restrictions lifted by Citizens United.

Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:31:17pm

re: #45 WindUpBird

Franken is smart, assertive, and infuriates conservatives because they have no answer for him.

The constant talking point by the drones is that they like to smear him as a "comedian" as if Al Franken wasn't three times as smart as the fools criticizing him, as if Al Franken couldn't outwonk anyone on this blog. As if comedians are all 100% stupid and not, you know, incredibly influential satirists who could intellectually dominate any politician they come across.

I've never really cared for Franken's brand of humor, but the man has political bonafides to spare...the man knows his shit.

wrenchwench Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:31:47pm

re: #56 WindUpBird

It'd be a waste, he can do more good in the media :D

Damn, now Obama's reading here.

Obdicut Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:31:48pm

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Watch you back... there may be a Christian behind you... boo.

Boo, Christians are getting laws passed to humiliate and shame women who want abortions, and make it more difficult for them to get them.

Oh wait, that's actually happening.

Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:32:17pm

re: #62 talon_262

I've never really cared for Franken's brand of humor, but the man has political bonafides to spare...the man knows his shit.

Those Comedycrats are planning to take over the government.

I Am Kreniigh! Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:33:22pm

It just occurs to me... The word "creationism" does not appear in the Bible! Hmmmmm....

Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:33:34pm

re: #63 wrenchwench

Damn, now Obama's reading here.

Interesting quote from Obama. Sounds pretty similar to what I said to the New York Times about Pamela Geller, and wrote in my Guardian article. I wonder?

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:35:04pm

re: #63 wrenchwench

Damn, now Obama's reading here.

I was more impressed by the fact that he was going to show up in Mythbusters...

Maybe they'll bust the myth that you can get something passed in the senate with 50 votes and a vice president....

Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:35:20pm

re: #60 theheat

No, Walter, they're right in front of me. They worst pseudo Christians are running for office, complete with their fucked up socon agendas. If you doubt me, take a look at at least one daily post here, or on any news site. I hardly think it's paranoia.

Just close your eyes and vote for them regardless of their archaic theological beliefs that will guide their policy decisions. Ignore that they also would apply these extremist ideas to foreign policy if their election went unchecked. The key is these thecons will provide tax-cuts and spending cuts that will magically create jobs and make you and me richer and allow us to "drill here, drill now" so we can buy cheap gasoline.

theMattHatter Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:35:43pm

re: #4 Charles

First off, a while back I saw a letter from a member, and he said something to the effect of "I stopped coming to LGF because when the GOP went into it's reactionary, far right nose dive, I thought it would happen here too. But I see that the wide spread, zealot inducing gas leak didn't make it to your house." Well, I couldn't agree more. In a time of disillusionment and disgust, the fact that there are still some people and places where honesty is valued, and integrity is preserved, is reassuring. I look forward to being tried and burned for heresy with all of you, once the Beck Administration takes over!

With that said, I have a question for you, Charles: what's the deal with the "Good News," creationist tract advertisement? Immediately after reading this post, I look over, and BAM! It's like Ben Sleim snuck in while no one was looking. I know times are hard, but...

Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:36:00pm

re: #68 jamesfirecat

I was more impressed by the fact that he was going to show up in Mythbusters...

Maybe they'll bust the myth that you can get something passed in the senate with 50 votes and a vice president...

come on, they bust myths, they're not miracle workers..........

Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:36:26pm

I don't care what they think about the 1st Amendment. All I know is that they'll bring back the incandescent light bulb and stop forcing us to buy those spaghetti bulbs!

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:36:27pm

re: #64 Obdicut

Boo, Christians are getting laws passed to humiliate and shame women who want abortions, and make it more difficult for them to get them.

Oh wait, that's actually happening.

Humiliate and shame?

That's putting it lightly, do you recall the forced vaginal probing laws for any woman who wants to get an abortion?

theheat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:37:41pm

re: #73 jamesfirecat

The sickest of fucks, into the sickest of things.

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:37:43pm

re: #71 wozzablog

come on, they bust myths, they're not miracle workers...

What it would be busting a myth if it fails.

Remember even failures provide you with data!

Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:37:44pm

Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I've posted my first LGF Pages entry (and it's a doozy, if I do say so myself:

Meghan McCain on O'Donnell: 'She's seen as a nutjob"

Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:38:02pm

re: #70 theMattHatter

First off, a while back I saw a letter from a member, and he said something to the effect of "I stopped coming to LGF because when the GOP went into it's reactionary, far right nose dive, I thought it would happen here too. But I see that the wide spread, zealot inducing gas leak didn't make it to your house." Well, I couldn't agree more. In a time of disillusionment and disgust, the fact that there are still some people and places where honesty is valued, and integrity is preserved, is reassuring. I look forward to being tried and burned for heresy with all of you, once the Beck Administration takes over!

Thanks for that!

With that said, I have a question for you, Charles: what's the deal with the "Good News," creationist tract advertisement? Immediately after reading this post, I look over, and BAM! It's like Ben Sleim snuck in while no one was looking. I know times are hard, but...

I don't control what ads appear there -- they're served automatically by Google Adsense according to the page's content.

But I really don't have a problem taking money from creationists while destroying their arguments.

Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:38:07pm

Well, she might be a Bible thumper but at least she's not a Communist. Or like one of them there watermelons. You know them there environmentalists: green on the outside, red on the inside.

Sinistershade Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:39:27pm

re: #15 3eff Jeff

The meds wore off just outside of Barstow...

No point mentioning those bats . . .

Renaissance_Man Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:39:30pm

re: #69 Gus 802

Just close your eyes and vote for them regardless of their archaic theological beliefs that will guide their policy decisions. Ignore that they also would apply these extremist ideas to foreign policy if their election went unchecked. The key is these thecons will provide tax-cuts and spending cuts that will magically create jobs and make you and me richer and allow us to "drill here, drill now" so we can buy cheap gasoline.

//

Actually, I think that for the average Teahadi, that sort of thinking doesn't even come into play. What their candidate will actually do once elected is not a consideration. It's never occurred to them to consider that.

All that matters is that they vote out the Democrat. Because it's not about how they are governed or who represents them, it's about hating liberals and Democrats like their cult media programs them to. It is the sum total of their political agenda.

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:39:45pm

re: #78 Gus 802

Well, she might be a Bible thumper but at least she's not a Communist. Or like one of them there watermelons. You know them there environmentalists: green on the outside, red on the inside.

//

My favorite is when being a proponent of gay rights makes you a Communist, mad props to Rep. Steve King for comparing gay marriage to socialism. Of course, the irony is that many Communist regimes persecuted gay people. Guess that makes ole Steve a commie by his standards.

theheat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:40:18pm

re: #78 Gus 802

You're a fountain today, Gus.

Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:43:31pm

re: #77 Charles

I don't control what ads appear there -- they're served automatically by Google Adsense according to the page's content.

But I really don't have a problem taking money from creationists while destroying their arguments.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

Petero1818 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:45:36pm

Like him or not, you have to give Coons credit. The whole time, he really did a nice job letting her talk, not interrupting, knowing she was digging herself a grave. More than that, he was really polite and respectful and I think put her at ease enough that even after he was done, and she had embarrassed herself, she felt comfortable enough to come back to the issue and display even more ignorance of her own volition. Had he played up the gotcha moment she would have been more guarded. We never would have had the last part of it, which was the most damning.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:45:41pm

Ohhh I've pissed the stalker scum off into a fine lather. They are down to insulting Miss S and howling like semi-literate, brain damaged children who've been spanked.

Well the second part is normal for them.

I suppose that pointing out that the GOP clearly doesn't want Hispanics to vote has pissed some of them off.

Then there was the fact that poor grimcargo is especially peeved that they were caught talking about their small, small members.

Perhaps we should be more sensitive to people who are both mental and manhood midgets.

Nah...

Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:45:53pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

My favorite is when being a proponent of gay rights makes you a Communist, mad props to Rep. Steve King for comparing gay marriage to socialism. Of course, the irony is that many Communist regimes persecuted gay people. Guess that makes ole Steve a commie by his standards.

Seems like if you oppose anything they support that makes you a Communist. That's how simple their world is.

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:47:30pm

re: #86 Gus 802

Seems like if you oppose anything they support that makes you a Communist. That's how simple their world is.

Yeah, pretty much. I of course also love how every socialist in history can now be lumped in Stalin, Mao, and Hitler is now a leftist despite purging the left wing of his party in '34.

Mich-again Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:48:43pm

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

I agree... but I would take it a few steps further. First off, I don't think there should be any displays in public of religious objects, ie: bibles, crosses on chains, other little do-dads and the such. Crosses and signs outside of churches are fine, but there should be some regulations in regards to size and proximity to other establishments, especially places like schools and day care centers.

Public displays of religiosity should be in the least low keyed or at the most... non-existent.

That point of view is just as wrong as O'Donnell's. Don't forget the part about "nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:50:18pm

I know I am paranoid to even consider this as a potential possibility, but I worry that the nutsacks on the right will eventually try to eliminate and destroy any reference to the true intention of the Establishment Clause as stated by Jefferson. I also am concerned (and in a far less paranoid fashion) that the true intent behind attacks on the First Amendment are more directly aimed at undermining freedom of expression and freedom of the press. Consider how the candidates from Tea Bagistan have handled members of the press.

theheat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:50:37pm

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

Are you saying people with small penises don't want ~~Hispanics~~ Asians to vote? Hmmm. This becomes curioser and curioser.

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:50:53pm

re: #89 imp_62

I know I am paranoid to even consider this as a potential possibility, but I worry that the nutsacks on the right will eventually try to eliminate and destroy any reference to the true intention of the Establishment Clause as stated by Jefferson. I also am concerned (and in a far less paranoid fashion) that the true intent behind attacks on the First Amendment are more directly aimed at undermining freedom of expression and freedom of the press. Consider how the candidates from Tea Bagistan have handled members of the press.

Handcuffing them to chairs at public events?

shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:52:59pm

re: #91 jamesfirecat

Handcuffing them to chairs at public events?

jamesfc, that whole video was reminiscent of skinhead thugs providing "security" at neo-nazi events. It scared the living shit out of me.

Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:54:28pm

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

I suppose that pointing out that the GOP clearly doesn't want Hispanics to vote has pissed some of them off.

Yeah, and we were the only ones to point this out. As usual they just sit there on their fats asses reading everything we type 24 hours a day and have nothing productive to add even for their own forum. Other than perhaps discussing the average length of a skin flute. The punchline is that Univision is refusing to run that ad and no doubt the people of this nation overwhelmingly would think said ad is repugnant. Which makes me wonder, more people should see that ad so they know about some of the sick minds that are working behind closed doors for the GOP.

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:54:46pm

re: #92 imp_62

jamesfc, that whole video was reminiscent of skinhead thugs providing "security" at neo-nazi events. It scared the living shit out of me.

Then I look forward to seeing you at the rally to restore sanity and or fear on October 30th.

shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:56:04pm

re: #94 jamesfirecat

Then I look forward to seeing you at the rally to restore sanity and or fear on October 30th.

That would be very cool except I have to be at the Schuylkill regatta in Philadelphia with my son's crew team. If there is a Philly event, I might try to go.

sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:56:09pm

re: #94 jamesfirecat

Then I look forward to seeing you at the rally to restore sanity and or fear on October 30th.

You're going to rally to restore fear !?!?!

// (I pray thats a joke or a typo!!!))

researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:56:27pm

re: #93 Gus 802

Yeah, and we were the only ones to point this out. As usual they just sit there on their fats asses reading everything we type 24 hours a day and have nothing productive to add even for their own forum. Other than perhaps discussing the average length of a skin flute. The punchline is that Univision is refusing to run that ad and no doubt the people of this nation overwhelmingly would think said ad is repugnant. Which makes me wonder, more people should see that ad so they know about some of the sick minds that are working behind closed doors for the GOP.

Gus-

Are there any mainline Hispanic GOP groups?

shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:56:45pm

re: #96 sattv4u2

You're going to rally to restore fear !?!?!

// (I pray thats a joke or a typo!!!))

The Stewart/Colbert event - surely you have heard?

sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:57:01pm

re: #95 imp_62

That would be very cool except I have to be at the Schuylkill regatta in Philadelphia with my son's crew team. If there is a Philly event, I might try to go.

Holy Cannolli

NOTE TO SELF ,, never challenge imps son to arm wrestle!

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:58:02pm

re: #98 imp_62

The Stewart/Colbert event - surely you have heard?

Vaguely ,, but I didn't know it was to "restore fear"!

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:58:52pm

re: #97 researchok

Gus-

Are there any mainline Hispanic GOP groups?

None that would fall off the tongue. Aren't most of them business groups? There was always the Cuban-American Republicans in Florida but those number are dwindling as Cuba and Cuba-American relations change over time.

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:59:20pm

re: #99 sattv4u2

Holy Cannolli

NOTE TO SELF ,, never challenge imps son to arm wrestle!

As an aside, he is also a varsity wrestler. I try very hard to stay on his good side - thankfully, he is an even-tempered kid... O_o

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 4:59:28pm

re: #100 sattv4u2

Vaguely ,, but I didn't know it was to "restore fear"!

Hmmm... interesting... you were on the other thread... and now YOU SHOW UP HERE... !

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:00:02pm

re: #96 sattv4u2

You're going to rally to restore fear !?!?!

// (I pray thats a joke or a typo!!!))

Watch more Comedy Central.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:00:38pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

Hmmm... interesting... you were on the other thread... and now YOU SHOW UP HERE... !

I'm omnipresent

Look behind you!!!

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:00:40pm

re: #100 sattv4u2

Vaguely ,, but I didn't know it was to "restore fear"!

Comedy Central Video

reposting for sattv4u2!
It is a quasi-political Comdey Channel hoedown.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:00:54pm

re: #100 sattv4u2

Vaguely ,, but I didn't know it was to "restore fear"!

It used to be "to keep fear alive" but Colbert couldn't get a permit so he grafted his rally onto Stewarts... which works fine since they were going to be in the same place anyway...

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:00:54pm

re: #106 imp_62

[Link: www.thedailyshow.com...]
reposting for sattv4u2!
It is a quasi-political Comdey Channel hoedown.

Thanks

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HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:00:55pm

The Stewart/Colbert Rallies should be a lot of fun. Really need to come up with a whacky sign idea.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:01:00pm

re: #101 Gus 802

None that would fall off the tongue. Aren't most of them business groups? There was always the Cuban-American Republicans in Florida but those number are dwindling as Cuba and Cuba-American relations change over time.

Gee... right here in Denver...

[Link: www.myspace.com...]

That was hard to find.

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Reginald Perrin Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:01:37pm

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

You don't live right, I'm almost invisible to the serial stalker trolls over at the cesspool. The mere mention of my name has been banned at DoD.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:01:46pm

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Gee... right here in Denver...

[Link: www.myspace.com...]

That was hard to find.

What took you so long!

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:02:04pm

re: #101 Gus 802

None that would fall off the tongue. Aren't most of them business groups? There was always the Cuban-American Republicans in Florida but those number are dwindling as Cuba and Cuba-American relations change over time.

I'm vaguely aware of the business groups.

I was asking because I recall reading about one group in CA (?) who were working to make Hispanic voters aware of the more conservative GOP planks.

They seemed pretty mainstream, focusing on responsible spending, education, values, like that.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:02:23pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

What took you so long!

I was only kidding... I made that up.

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:03:13pm

re: #92 imp_62

jamesfc, that whole video was reminiscent of ~~skinhead~~ SA (Sturmabteilung, or "shock troops") thugs providing "security" at ~~neo-~~Nazi events. It scared the living shit out of me.

FTFY :-(

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:03:20pm

re: #104 jamesfirecat

Watch more Comedy Central.

heh ,, doing what I do for work 60-70 hours a week ,, THATS what I want to do ,, watch MORE TV!!

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:03:28pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

The Stewart/Colbert Rallies should be a lot of fun. Really need to come up with a whacky sign idea.

Does anybody know if Charles is going?

Maybe I could get his autograph....

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Vambo Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:03:35pm

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Gee... right here in Denver...

[Link: www.myspace.com...]

That was hard to find.

RNHA-CO has 5 friends.

LOL

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theheat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:04:16pm

re: #113 researchok

Ah, but how do you know they're really Hispanic? Do they look Hispanic?
//
(Channeling Sharron Angle.)

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:04:29pm

re: #118 Vambo

RNHA-CO has 5 friends.

LOL

Pathetic... isn't it?

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freetoken Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:04:31pm

Our society, summarized:

Same Man Wins Lottery 7 Times

Most people dream of hitting the lottery just once, but a Central Florida man has won seven times.

“It's changed my life, no doubt about it,” said Richard Lustig. “My life is way better than it was 10, 15 or 20 years ago.”

Lustig’s seventh and most recent win was in August. He won a Fantasy Five grand prize of more than $98,000. His other winnings include a Mega Money jackpot of more than $842,000.

"In addition to the seven lottery game grand prizes that I’ve won, I've won hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years in prizes that were not grand prizes,” Lustig said.

He said he had also won trips and other prizes.
Lustig used some of the money to purchase a home and a sports car.

[...]

Lustig claims he can help people turn the lottery into a winning game and is writing about his strategy in a new book.

"I don't have a crystal ball. I can't see into the future,” Lustig said. “I would be scamming people and misleading people if I said to them, ‘follow my method and you'll win a grand prize.’ People would be foolish to believe anyone that said that. What I tell people is, ‘if you follow my method, it will increase your chances of winning.’ That's what it's all about."

The multiple winner said he started writing down things that helped him score cash. He repeated those things and made improvements to develop his method.
Lustig said a Tampa couple followed his advice and won $2 million.

He said one of his secrets is playing the same numbers. He wouldn’t say what he does with those numbers or how much money he spends each week.

[...]

All he has to do is add "God" to a few paragraphs, then Farah will help him sell the book on WND.

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:04:58pm

re: #97 researchok

Gus-

Are there any mainline Hispanic GOP groups?

Here are a few in descending order of conservatism

[Link: conservativehispanics.org...]
[Link: www.rnha.org...]
[Link: www.carnha.org...]

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:05:14pm

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Gee... right here in Denver...

[Link: www.myspace.com...]

That was hard to find.

Yeah, wow. You really put me in my place!

[Link: www.rnhaco.org...]

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:05:31pm

re: #119 theheat

Ah, but how do you know they're really Hispanic? Do they look Hispanic?
//
(Channeling Sharron Angle.)

They seemed legit, had a few clergy as proponents, etc.

It might have been on a 60 minutes type show.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:05:43pm

re: #123 Gus 802

Yeah, wow. You really put me in my place!

[Link: www.rnhaco.org...]

Just doing my job.

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:06:20pm

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

Just doing my job.

Do what I do. Make a point without being a bozo.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:06:22pm

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

Just doing my job.

You rang him up in the checkout line!?!?!?!

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HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:06:35pm

re: #117 jamesfirecat

Does anybody know if Charles is going?

Maybe I could get his autograph...

No idea.

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:06:40pm

re: #115 talon_262

FTFY :-(

That was too scary to think about. So I didn't.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:06:57pm

re: #126 Gus 802

Do what I do. Make a point without being a bozo.

Sez who?

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theheat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:08:35pm

BBL. I have to feed my communist welfare horses. They refuse to get jobs and expect me to provide for them. And I do.

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:08:54pm

re: #122 imp_62

Here are a few in descending order of conservatism

[Link: conservativehispanics.org...]
[Link: www.rnha.org...]
[Link: www.carnha.org...]

Thanks.

I was asking because it seems to me (other than the whackjobs) we aren't hearing a lot about the Hispanic vote this season. Given the importance of that group, I was just wondering as to why that is.

I do wonder at times if the MSM is again ignoring that bloc.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:09:00pm

re: #131 theheat

BBL. I have to feed my communist welfare horses. They refuse to get jobs and expect me to provide for them. And I do.

Take em to the track!

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:09:12pm

re: #119 theheat

Ah, but how do you know they're really Hispanic? Do they look Hispanic?
//
(Channeling Sharron Angle.)

No... they did look vaguely Chinese, though
//

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:10:11pm

re: #134 imp_62

No... they did look vaguely Chinese, though
//

Are you blueish?

You don't look blueish!

(Name the movie!)

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:10:38pm

re: #132 researchok

Thanks.

I was asking because it seems to me (other than the whackjobs) we aren't hearing a lot about the Hispanic vote this season. Given the importance of that group, I was just wondering as to why that is.

I do wonder at times if the MSM is again ignoring that bloc.

Remember, half of them are cuffed to folding chairs at GOP events/
Seriously, though, the media go where the stories are. This is one of the reasons I don't think the election results are as cut and dry as people are saying. A lot of folks not heard from, imo.

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:10:56pm

re: #131 theheat

BBL. I have to feed my communist welfare horses. They refuse to get jobs and expect me to provide for them. And I do.

Just look at it this way...when they become too burdensome, you can send them to the glue factory.

///I kid, I kid

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:11:39pm

re: #135 jamesfirecat

Are you blueish?

You don't look blueish!

(Name the movie!)

The Smurfs Attack Manhattan?!?!?!?

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joest73 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:12:29pm

re: #136 imp_62

Remember, half of them are cuffed to folding chairs at GOP events/
Seriously, though, the media go where the stories are. This is one of the reasons I don't think the election results are as cut and dry as people are saying. A lot of folks not heard from, imo.

Yea...just like we were convinced the women that voted for Hillary were going to help McCain get elected.....

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Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:12:40pm

re: #135 jamesfirecat

Are you blueish?

You don't look blueish!

(Name the movie!)

Avatar?

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:13:13pm

re: #135 jamesfirecat

Are you blueish?

You don't look blueish!

(Name the movie!)

"Druish" would have been Spaceballs... I would google it, but don't want to cheat. so?

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:13:57pm

re: #136 imp_62

Remember, half of them are cuffed to folding chairs at GOP events/
Seriously, though, the media go where the stories are. This is one of the reasons I don't think the election results are as cut and dry as people are saying. A lot of folks not heard from, imo.

I do believe the media ignores blocs because of what they believe are predictable voting patterns (all Jews and Blacks are Dems, no Christians are progressives, and all Hispanics are liberals, etc.

It does make reporting easier but it does over simplify things.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:14:09pm

re: #141 imp_62

"Druish" would have been Spaceballs... I would google it, but don't want to cheat. so?

hmm,, if you have Spaceballs ,, they MIGHT be blueish!!!

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:14:37pm

re: #139 joest73

Yea...just like we were convinced the women that voted for Hillary were going to help McCain get elected...

They might have, but for ~~the helicopter-flying wolf butcher~~ Governor Palin. Who knows.

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jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:15:59pm

Big Journalism talker Dana Loesch was just on Parker/Spitzer insisting that separation of church and state was not in the Constitution.

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Obdicut Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:16:11pm

re: #142 researchok

But this isn't true. The media was all ablaze with how the Hispanic vote was enlivened for Bush, since he was much more in touch with Hispanic issues than most GOP members. Bush garnered significant Hispanic votes, and it seemed like the GOP was going to do a lot of advocacy in that direction. All of that got a lot of media time.

Then the GOP adopted a strategy of demonizing illegal immigrants in cartoonish and hyperbolic ways, using attacks that applied to legal as well as illegal immigrants, and the media has been reporting on that.

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:16:43pm

Maddow explains the state of the midterms

MSNBC Video

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:17:06pm

re: #132 researchok

Thanks.

I was asking because it seems to me (other than the whackjobs) we aren't hearing a lot about the Hispanic vote this season. Given the importance of that group, I was just wondering as to why that is.

I do wonder at times if the MSM is again ignoring that bloc.

It's not the MSM's responsibility to seek them out unless they have something of note to say. Let look at a recent group:

Republican National Hispanic Assembly

Recent developments

The RNHA ran into financial difficulties in 2007 due to declining membership concomittant with declining Hispanic numbers within the Republican Party. However, chairman Danny Vargas reported that new fundraising efforts were underway. Additionally, a new executive director, Bettina Inclan, was hired to revitalize the group's image.

Nevertheless, attempts at increasing Hispanic participation at the highest levels of the RNC were stymied in 2009. The leaders of several prominent Republican and Republican-leaning Hispanic organizations- including the RNHA- complained in a March 6 letter to RNC chairman Michael Steele of the situation. Despite assurances in a follow-up meeting, RNHA's Vargas and others would report that no movement had taken place as of a few months later.

Hispanic leaders also decried the state of Hispanics in the Party at a RNHA conference entitled "Future of Hispanics in the GOP." Citing the debate over- and the Party's stance on- immigration as the single most important issue driving away potential voters, Vargas stated: "We know that the party will not recover its majority until we get this right.

Well, looks like Michael Steele is ignoring them according to this -- not the MSM.

Then we have:

RNC hiring chafes top Hispanics

Hispanic Republican leaders say they've lost patience with promises from Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele to hire high-profile Hispanic operatives and launch targeted outreach toward their community.

The complaints began in March, when leaders of key Hispanic GOP organizations wrote Steele in a private letter that they "were extremely disheartened that no Hispanics were considered for the post of Coalitions Director and that, to date, no Hispanics have been appointed to any other high-profile leadership roles within the party," according to a copy of the March 6 letter provided POLITICO by one of its signatories.

The letter came in response to Steele's decision to hire a fellow black Republican, Angela Sailor, to lead the GOP's diversity efforts, a role he elevated within the party structure.

[...]

There, people present said, Steele reiterated the commitment to broaden the party that had won him broad support from Hispanic Republicans in the chairman's race, and asked them to send him resumes of capable Hispanic operatives and advisors.

His guests left satisfied, but say that since then, they've seen no action.

Continues.

Seems to me that not only does the RNC/GOP have a PR problem with Hispanics as a whole but from within the party. And instead of working on their own internal Hispanic outreach they come out with an ad telling Hispanics not to vote?

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engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:17:32pm

re: #135 jamesfirecat

Are you blueish?

You don't look blueish!

(Name the movie!)

why, 'yeller soobmarine' oov course!

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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:17:45pm

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh I've pissed the stalker scum off into a fine lather. They are down to insulting Miss S and howling like semi-literate, brain damaged children who've been spanked.

Well the second part is normal for them.

I suppose that pointing out that the GOP clearly doesn't want Hispanics to vote has pissed some of them off.

Then there was the fact that poor grimcargo is especially peeved that they were caught talking about their small, small members.

Perhaps we should be more sensitive to people who are both mental and manhood midgets.

Nah...

The editors at the Guardian also deleted some of the links to their nasty little websites, that they were spamming the threads with. Probably because they took a look at it and went, WTF!?

Like any sane, normal person does.

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joest73 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:18:06pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

The Stewart/Colbert Rallies should be a lot of fun. Really need to come up with a whacky sign idea.

I would like to see Penn and Teller do a BullS**it episode on this rally.

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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:18:19pm

Green Tomato Curry with Potatoes and Garlic is really fantastic (I added chicken and some squash). It came out so good that I expanded the batch and cleaned out all the green tomatoes from the garden. I think this is probably the first time I'm ending the season without a ton of green tomatoes rotting in the cold and rain.

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:18:19pm

re: #146 Obdicut

But this isn't true. The media was all ablaze with how the Hispanic vote was enlivened for Bush, since he was much more in touch with Hispanic issues than most GOP members. Bush garnered significant Hispanic votes, and it seemed like the GOP was going to do a lot of advocacy in that direction. All of that got a lot of media time.

Then the GOP adopted a strategy of demonizing illegal immigrants in cartoonish and hyperbolic ways, using attacks that applied to legal as well as illegal immigrants, and the media has been reporting on that.

I know. I was referring to mainstream Hispanic groups this cycle.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:18:29pm

re: #150 Charles

The editors at the Guardian also deleted some of the links to their nasty little websites, that they were spamming the threads with. Probably because they took a look at it and went, WTF!?

Like any sane, normal person does.

Hey Charles, not go OT but do you have plans to go the Rally to restore Sanity and or fear?

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:19:47pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

Green Tomato Curry with Potatoes and Garlic is really fantastic (I added chicken and some squash). It came out so good that I expanded the batch and cleaned out all the green tomatoes from the garden. I think this is probably the first time I'm ending the season without a ton of green tomatoes rotting in the cold and rain.

I hope it tastes better than it looks...

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:20:40pm

re: #155 imp_62

I hope it tastes better than it looks...

He wears sunglasses when he eats !!
/

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Obdicut Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:20:58pm

re: #153 researchok

I know. I was referring to mainstream Hispanic groups this cycle.

I've seen reporting on what mainstream Hispanic groups have been doing this cycle-- mainly protesting the Arizona law, and speaking out against the distortions about illegal immigrants.

They also had a lot of air time during the Sotomayor confirmation hearings.

[Link: theplumline.whorunsgov.com...]

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:21:21pm

re: #148 Gus 802

The second link re Steele is most interesting.

Do you believe the snub to Hispanics is deliberate, so as to court more black votes?

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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:21:31pm

re: #154 jamesfirecat

Hey Charles, not go OT but do you have plans to go the Rally to restore Sanity and or fear?

Nope, I'm not big on rallies. Although that one might be more fun than most.

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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:21:56pm

re: #155 imp_62

I hope it tastes better than it looks...

It does. I think it also helps to add the green tomatoes only towards the end of cooking so they keep the nice green color and firm texture.

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:22:10pm

re: #157 Obdicut

I've seen reporting on what mainstream Hispanic groups have been doing this cycle-- mainly protesting the Arizona law, and speaking out against the distortions about illegal immigrants.

They also had a lot of air time during the Sotomayor confirmation hearings.

[Link: theplumline.whorunsgov.com...]

Excellent link.

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:22:21pm

re: #156 sattv4u2

He wears sunglasses when he eats !!
/

That's not why he wears shades 24/7:

Youtube Video

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:22:50pm

re: #159 Charles

Nope, I'm not big on rallies. Although that one might be more fun than most.

Darn, well I'm not especially surprised as it's on the other side of the country from you.

Maybe I'll get lucky and be caught on camera when you live stream it on video hear come the big day....

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:23:43pm

re: #158 researchok

The second link re Steele is most interesting.

Do you believe the snub to Hispanics is deliberate, so as to court more black votes?

Oh I don't know. Probably not. The tendency is to focus on where one can get results and how much money they can spend. I figure that the RNC doesn't want to spend too much money and time courting Hispanics because they themselves see it as a lost cause. I guess it would a money spent vs. voters gained ratio of sorts.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:24:00pm

re: #163 jamesfirecat

Darn, well I'm not especially surprised as it's on the other side of the country from you.

Maybe I'll get lucky and be caught on camera when you live stream it on video hear come the big day...

Hey ,,look ,, there's James

Why is he laying down surrounded by empty beer cans !?!?!?

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BishopX Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:24:12pm

Someone down stairs (Walter?) was asking for primary sources on corporate/labor violence. My first stop would be Labor Wars. It's pretty solidly on the union side, but it's radical enough not to disavow union violence, it's also very good about citing primary sources.

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:24:20pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

It does. I think it also helps to add the green tomatoes only towards the end of cooking so they keep the nice green color and firm texture.

I can see adding chicken, not necessarily squash, because of the consistency. In fact, a smoked chicken breast pulled into small pieces might go very nicely with this.

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joest73 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:24:23pm

re: #148 Gus 802

Well, looks like Michael Steele is ignoring them according to this -- not the MSM.?

Michael Steele probably thinks "Hispanic Outreach" is showing up on Sabado Gigante.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:24:47pm

re: #154 jamesfirecat

Hey Charles, not go OT but do you have plans to go the Rally to restore Sanity and or fear?

You do understand that because of the Stalkers, it would be a really bad idea for him to tell us where he was going to be in advance?

Some of those people are seriously unhinged.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:25:03pm

re: #165 sattv4u2

Hey ,,look ,, there's James

Why is he laying down surrounded by empty beer cans !?!?!?

//

Please I'm a catnip smoking liberal.

That means I firmly support other people's right to do various kinds of drugs but I'm too much of a cheep skate to pay for them myself and too much of a scardey cat to bum them off others for fear I'll get addicted without being able to secure a free supply of them for myself....

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Obdicut Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:25:22pm

re: #158 researchok

The second link re Steele is most interesting.

Do you believe the snub to Hispanics is deliberate, so as to court more black votes?

It's to court more white votes, I believe.

The GOP has done absolutely nothing to try court black votes at all-- and in continuing to kowtow to Limbaugh, and with the whole Shirley Sherrod thing, and the ACORN debacle, they really couldn't be doing more to aggressively say that they don't want any black votes.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:26:18pm

re: #171 Obdicut

It's to court more white votes, I believe.

The GOP has done absolutely nothing to try court black votes at all-- and in continuing to kowtow to Limbaugh, and with the whole Shirley Sherrod thing, and the ACORN debacle, they really couldn't be doing more to aggressively say that they don't want any black votes.

///But what about Michele Steele and his urban-suburban hip hop stylings?

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:26:22pm

Here. This is at the official GOP site.

GOP Latinos

33 members. Last comments where from the middle of August.

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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:26:32pm

re: #171 Obdicut

It's to court more white votes, I believe.

The GOP has done absolutely nothing to try court black votes at all-- and in continuing to kowtow to Limbaugh, and with the whole Shirley Sherrod thing, and the ACORN debacle, they really couldn't be doing more to aggressively say that they don't want any black votes.

Absolutely. The GOP has totally given up on the minority vote, that much is blindingly obvious.

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:26:50pm

re: #164 Gus 802

Oh I don't know. Probably not. The tendency is to focus on where one can get results and how much money they can spend. I figure that the RNC doesn't want to spend too much money and time courting Hispanics because they themselves see it as a lost cause. I guess it would a money spent vs. voters gained ratio of sorts.

I wondered about that.

With the right outreach, you'd think Hispanics would be a natural GOP bloc- religious, socially conservative, etc.

I wonder why the the GOP would sabotage that effort.

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:27:33pm

On the up-side, the next couple of Congressional sessions are going to be like episodes of Carnivale if the Palinistas get a buch of seats. C-Span viewership is going to go through the roof.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:28:49pm

re: #166 BishopX

Someone down stairs (Walter?) was asking for primary sources on corporate/labor violence. My first stop would be Labor Wars. It's pretty solidly on the union side, but it's radical enough not to disavow union violence, it's also very good about citing primary sources.

Not me cupcake.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:28:59pm

re: #175 researchok

I wondered about that.

With the right outreach, you'd think Hispanics would be a natural GOP bloc- religious, socially conservative, etc.

I wonder why the the GOP would sabotage that effort.

Well, they're not exactly known for their forward thinking...they long for the Reagan days when the white vote was all that really mattered throughout most of the country.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:29:12pm

re: #175 researchok

I wondered about that.

With the right outreach, you'd think Hispanics would be a natural GOP bloc- religious, socially conservative, etc.

I wonder why the the GOP would sabotage that effort.

Well the GOP has acted extremely hostile to immigration since Bush left office. I am not a big G.W Bush fan but he was very immigrant friendly both in rhetoric and policy plus he didn't act like all illegals were murderers like idiot Jan Brewer.

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:29:22pm

re: #175 researchok

I wondered about that.

With the right outreach, you'd think Hispanics would be a natural GOP bloc- religious, socially conservative, etc.

I wonder why the the GOP would sabotage that effort.

Because they're brown and many hail from south of the border (which they want to wall up, Berlin Wall-style).

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BishopX Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:29:36pm

re: #177 Walter L. Newton

Yeah, that was mostly a shot in the dark. No offense intended.

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Stanghazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:29:48pm

re: #163 jamesfirecat

Darn, well I'm not especially surprised as it's on the other side of the country from you.

Maybe I'll get lucky and be caught on camera when you live stream it on video hear come the big day...

Are you making a SIGN?

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:30:00pm

re: #171 Obdicut

It's to court more white votes, I believe.

The GOP has done absolutely nothing to try court black votes at all-- and in continuing to kowtow to Limbaugh, and with the whole Shirley Sherrod thing, and the ACORN debacle, they really couldn't be doing more to aggressively say that they don't want any black votes.

Are you saying the GOP gets more white votes if they abandon minorities? From where would they come?

If anything, I would think just the opposite- if the GOP is seen as sensitive and as a haven for minorities, more liberal voters would be inclined to reconsider their antipathy to the party.

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:30:41pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Well the GOP has acted extremely hostile to immigration since Bush left office. I am not a big G.W Bush fan but he was very immigrant friendly both in rhetoric and policy plus he didn't act like all illegals were murderers like idiot Jan Brewer.

Good point.

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:31:02pm

re: #182 Stanley Sea

Are you making a SIGN?

Yes. His sign will say: Throw Beer At Me.

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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:31:47pm

President Obama is going on The Daily Show on October 27th:

[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:31:48pm

re: #175 researchok

I wondered about that.

With the right outreach, you'd think Hispanics would be a natural GOP bloc- religious, socially conservative, etc.

I wonder why the the GOP would sabotage that effort.

Because they want to compete with the Democrats over who can do the most to piss off their base.

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BishopX Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:32:16pm

re: #185 imp_62

The rally to keep beer alive?

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:32:24pm

re: #187 jamesfirecat

Because they want to compete with the Democrats over who can do the most to piss off their base.

Line of the day.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:32:28pm

re: #186 Charles

President Obama is going on The Daily Show on October 27th:

[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]

Once again, just about anybody in politics can get on the Daily Show if they want to, I'm far more impressed by the fact that Obama is gonna be on Mythbusters!

He really is President Nerd isn't he?

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:32:28pm

re: #186 Charles

President Obama is going on The Daily Show on October 27th:

[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]

I hope he gets an invitation to speak at the Restoring Sanity rally...

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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:32:49pm

re: #183 researchok

Are you saying the GOP gets more white votes if they abandon minorities? From where would they come?

If anything, I would think just the opposite- if the GOP is seen as sensitive and as a haven for minorities, more liberal voters would be inclined to reconsider their antipathy to the party.

the Tory party in the Uk has done a LOT more to promote ethnic minority candidates and friendly policies - and also picked up a lot of social liberals - but the GOP has SO far to go in encouraging social liberals to vote for them its pretty much a total nonestarter in the current environment.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:32:54pm

re: #182 Stanley Sea

Are you making a SIGN?

he's painting his face

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wrenchwench Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:33:09pm

re: #173 Gus 802

Here. This is at the official GOP site.

GOP Latinos

33 members. Last comments where from the middle of August.

Did you see the multiple entries in the right column for "Jimenez for President 2012"? The photo for each is a link that has "||banned||" inserted in it, which can be removed so the link is still there. They've never had a competent webmaster there.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:33:47pm

re: #190 jamesfirecat

Once again, just about anybody in politics can get on the Daily Show if they want to, I'm far more impressed by the fact that Obama is gonna be on Mythbusters!

He really is President Nerd isn't he?

John McCain was a myth creator - see Sarah Palin, qualified to be VP, for an example of one such myth he created.

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:34:05pm

re: #188 BishopX

The rally to keep beer alive?

beer and/or dope

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:34:38pm

re: #196 imp_62

beer and/or dope

Now now ,, no need for name calling!!!
/

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Obdicut Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:34:45pm

re: #183 researchok

Are you saying the GOP gets more white votes if they abandon minorities? From where would they come?

I'm saying it's to keep the white, nationalist base fired up, donating money, and going to vote. Remember that it's not just "who would you vote for", but the actual, physical act of voting.

If anything, I would think just the opposite- if the GOP is seen as sensitive and as a haven for minorities, more liberal voters would be inclined to reconsider their antipathy to the party

Yes. That would be sane and rational. That is not what the GOP is actually doing, though. What the GOP should do is precisely to forgo bigotry-- but instead, the GOP is embracing bigotry in ever-new and varied ways.

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:35:25pm

Regarding the minority vote, this article appeared today on WNYC:
[Link: beta.wnyc.org...]

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:35:29pm

re: #192 wozzablog

the Tory party in the Uk has done a LOT more to promote ethnic minority candidates and friendly policies - and also picked up a lot of social liberals - but the GOP has SO far to go in encouraging social liberals to vote for them its pretty much a total nonestarter in the current environment.

That's a credible argument.

I agree the GOP has gone off the rails. Right now, the best they can do is to get out the committed vote. Minds are all made up.

There needs to be a change at the GOP leadership level.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:36:41pm

re: #198 Obdicut

I'm saying it's to keep the white, nationalist base fired up, donating money, and going to vote. Remember that it's not just "who would you vote for", but the actual, physical act of voting.

Yes. That would be sane and rational. That is not what the GOP is actually doing, though. What the GOP should do is precisely to forgo bigotry-- but instead, the GOP is embracing bigotry in ever-new and varied ways.

It's their idea of diversity.
/

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:36:43pm

re: #198 Obdicut

I'm saying it's to keep the white, nationalist base fired up, donating money, and going to vote. Remember that it's not just "who would you vote for", but the actual, physical act of voting.

Yes. That would be sane and rational. That is not what the GOP is actually doing, though. What the GOP should do is precisely to forgo bigotry-- but instead, the GOP is embracing bigotry in ever-new and varied ways.

Yeah, I agree with that. Right now it's all about a get out the vote effort.

The Tea Party turned out to be their bonus.

Unbelievable.

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joest73 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:37:15pm

re: #190 jamesfirecat

Once again, just about anybody in politics can get on the Daily Show if they want to, I'm far more impressed by the fact that Obama is gonna be on Mythbusters!

He really is President Nerd isn't he?

Mythbusters? For what reason? To prove that his birth certificate is real?

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:38:32pm

re: #203 joest73

Mythbusters? For what reason? To prove that his birth certificate is real?

That'll do a lot for your Karma Points!!!

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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:38:35pm

I see that Keith Olbermann (who's still a dick, by the way) has the even-more-of-a-dick Cenk Uygur as guest host tonight.

Cenk Uygur is a reminder that there are definitely still some sleazy scumbags on the left as well.

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Linden Arden Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:39:03pm

re: #183 researchok

When Reagan signed up the "Amnesty" Bill in 1986 he did so partly because his economics advisers convinced him immigrants created wealth in the US via work and the importation of young hungry human capital.

The best things Reagan did would be spat on by today's GOP (with the possible exception of his deft negotiations with Gorby --- which the Teabaggers might today insult someone for "talking to enemies"). He also got the hell out of Lebanon after 241 US Marines were killed by terrorists.

It is really sad when a liberal like myself would defend some Reagan to the GOP mob today.

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joest73 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:39:59pm

re: #204 sattv4u2

That'll do a lot for your Karma Points!!!

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:41:27pm

re: #206 Linden Arden

When Reagan signed up the "Amnesty" Bill in 1986 he did so partly because his economics advisers convinced him immigrants created wealth in the US via work and the importation of young hungry human capital.

The best things Reagan did would be spat on by today's GOP (with the possible exception of his deft negotiations with Gorby --- which the Teabaggers might today insult someone for "talking to enemies"). He also got the hell out of Lebanon after 241 US Marines were killed by terrorists.

It is really sad when a liberal like myself would defend some Reagan to the GOP mob today.

Those days are long gone, for both parties.

As for Reagan and Lebanon, in my opinion that was his biggest mistake.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:41:37pm

re: #205 Charles

I see that Keith Olbermann (who's still a dick, by the way) has the even-more-of-a-dick Cenk Uygur as guest host tonight.

Cenk Uygur is a reminder that there are definitely still some sleazy scumbags on the left as well.

Well, Lawrence O'Donnell has his own show now, so Keith needs a new substitute while he's watching the Yankees. I don't care for Cenk either...and I suspect he'll catch a little hell for his use of black dialect when mocking the "The Damn Rent is Too High" party candidate.

I put Cenk on the same level as Erick Erection from RedState.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:41:55pm

re: #200 researchok

That's a credible argument.

I agree the GOP has gone off the rails. Right now, the best they can do is to get out the committed vote. Minds are all made up.

There needs to be a change at the GOP leadership level.

There needs to be a change at the GOP media level.

The media controls the leadership these days.

If you care to prove me wrong find an elected Republican who is willing to directly disagree with Rush Limbaugh and not walk it back.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:42:21pm

Cenk Uygur

I think thats the sound my aunts cat used to make trying to get rid of a furball, no ?

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:43:30pm

re: #203 joest73

Mythbusters? For what reason? To prove that his birth certificate is real?

If Jamie and Adam rated it "Busted" would the Birthers shut up?

Nahhhhh... they don't seem to be the type to go for Empirical Evidence which is what Mythbusters is all about so I doubt they'd be watching...

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:43:55pm

re: #210 jamesfirecat

There needs to be a change at the GOP media level.

The media controls the leadership these days.

If you care to prove me wrong find an elected Republican who is willing to directly disagree with Rush Limbaugh and not walk it back.

I couldn't agree more. The party needs to implode and then rebuild.

And the first thing that has to go is the religious element.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:44:02pm

I'm watching Countdown, however, because I want to see Glenn Beck's newest scam - survival backpacks full of beef stroganoff. They'll sell too...in fact, I wouldn't be surprised to have one under the tree at Xmas this year as my parents watch Fox.

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:45:04pm

re: #175 researchok

I wondered about that.

With the right outreach, you'd think Hispanics would be a natural GOP bloc- religious, socially conservative, etc.

I wonder why the the GOP would sabotage that effort.

It's more than outreach it's also policy and performance. They, like everyone else would ask "what has the GOP done for me" in the past and in the future.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:45:22pm

re: #214 darthstar

I'm watching Countdown, however, because I want to see Glenn Beck's newest scam - survival backpacks full of beef stroganoff. They'll sell too...in fact, I wouldn't be surprised to have one under the tree at Xmas this year as my parents watch Fox.

I got two... Beck signed it with a magic marker. I'm going to put them on Ebay after Armageddon.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:45:27pm

re: #213 researchok

I couldn't agree more. The party needs to implode and then rebuild.

And the first thing that has to go is the religious element.

Can we ditch the "I've got mine f*** you" style Libertarians after that?

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:45:41pm

re: #213 researchok

I couldn't agree more. The party needs to implode and then rebuild.

And the first thing that has to go is the religious element.

That's why my oldest brother voted for Bush in 2004...he said we needed to hit rock bottom and Bush would get us there...of course, he's now turned into a teabagging bigot...shit happens, I guess.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:46:21pm

re: #213 researchok

I couldn't agree more. The party needs to implode and then rebuild.

And the first thing that has to go is the religious element.

First thing that has to go is religion period.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:46:38pm

re: #218 darthstar

That's why my oldest brother voted for Bush in 2004...he said we needed to hit rock bottom and Bush would get us there...of course, he's now turned into a teabagging bigot...shit happens, I guess.

Well he may just still be trying to have us reach rock bottom, and the Teabaggs will get us there...

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:46:42pm

re: #216 Walter L. Newton

I got two... Beck signed it with a magic marker. I'm going to put them on Ebay after Armageddon.

You're supposed to sit in your bunker eating your stroganoff and laughing at your neighbors who are dying of starvation because they didn't "invest" in one of these things.

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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:46:44pm

re: #200 researchok

That's a credible argument.

I agree the GOP has gone off the rails. Right now, the best they can do is to get out the committed vote. Minds are all made up.

There needs to be a change at the GOP leadership level.

the Torys tapped into a long tradition of wanting to get off the backs of people on both economic and social grounds. The tradition was there and they were helped by the authoritarian labour administration having unpopular civil liberties proposals.

To grasp the extent of the main stream center right wing conversion - you would have to imagine the Republicans repealing more regressive aspects of the patriot act.

To expand their votes they need a radical change of leadership wiling to question - the war on drugs, prisons policy, gay rights, unquestioning military spending, etc, etc, etc.

I don't think thats going to happen - the tradition of personal liberty is so utterly defiled within the SoCon base and the instinctively authoritarian aspects of the NeoCons that it will be a cruchingly long road back.

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:47:19pm

re: #217 jamesfirecat

Can we ditch the "I've got mine f*** you" style Libertarians after that?

What irks me the most is the notion, now almost universal, that in order to espouse conservative values (and be identified with the GOP) you have to be religious.

That idea is toxic- and stupid.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:47:25pm

re: #221 darthstar

You're supposed to sit in your bunker eating your stroganoff and laughing at your neighbors who are dying of starvation because they didn't "invest" in one of these things.

I missed that... was it in the instructions?

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:48:01pm

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

First thing that has to go is religion period.

I don't agree. I think what has to go is equating religious values with political values.

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:48:39pm

re: #221 darthstar

You're supposed to sit in your bunker eating your stroganoff and laughing at your neighbors who are dying of starvation because they didn't "invest" in one of these things.

I am simply going to eat my neighbours after they finish their beef stroganoff.

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joest73 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:50:20pm

re: #212 jamesfirecat

If Jamie and Adam rated it "Busted" would the Birthers shut up?

Nahhh... they don't seem to be the type to go for Empirical Evidence which is what Mythbusters is all about so I doubt they'd be watching...

I just tuned out because the BUST in Mythbusters was out out on maternity leave...

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:51:22pm

re: #227 joest73

I just tuned out because the BUST in Mythbusters was out out on maternity leave...

"out out" ... one out for each "bust"? ;]

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:52:06pm

re: #225 researchok

I don't agree. I think what has to go is equating religious values with political values.

Fuck the religious values... have you seen what religious values have turned into... buggering kids behind the altar and then covering it up for decades, hypocritical smiling faces on TV, talking out one side of their mouth while they are slamming the female members of their congregation, gay men who can't come to grips with their own sexuality so they feel a need to screw up the life of every other sexually diverse person on the face of this planet.

Is that the religious values you're talking about?

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:52:26pm

I wonder what a collage of all the avatars on the site would look like. Pretty cool, probably.

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joest73 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:53:13pm

re: #228 imp_62

"out out" ... one out for each "bust"? ;]

Unintentional. I'm an engineer...not a writer....

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:53:17pm

McCain still draws a crowd - on a post-it note.

"There's a growing perception that this could be one of the sleeper races of the country," McCain said. "Yeah we've seen the polls but we've also seen the intensity level increasing and we've seen the numbers increasing."

Despite that supposed intensity the rally drew a crowd of only about 160 people. Britton chalks that up to its timing-- on a Tuesday afternoon when most people are at work.

Come on, Republicans! That's Sarah Palin's former running mate! Show up, for christ's sake.

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:53:23pm

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

Fuck the religious values... have you seen what religious values have turned into... buggering kids behind the altar and then covering it up for decades, hypocritical smiling faces on TV, talking out one side of their mouth while they are slamming the female members of their congregation, gay men who can't come to grips with their own sexuality so they feel a need to screw up the life of every other sexually diverse person on the face of this planet.

Is that the religious values you're talking about?

No, Walter. Those are human frailties and failings, not religious values. You know that.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:54:44pm

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

I know you like to play the athiest, but that comment was way off base.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:54:51pm

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh I've pissed the stalker scum off into a fine lather. They are down to insulting Miss S and howling like semi-literate, brain damaged children who've been spanked.

Well the second part is normal for them.

I suppose that pointing out that the GOP clearly doesn't want Hispanics to vote has pissed some of them off.

Then there was the fact that poor grimcargo is especially peeved that they were caught talking about their small, small members.

Perhaps we should be more sensitive to people who are both mental and manhood midgets.

Nah...

They cannot accept the idea of anyone here having a significant other or being happy. It violates their image of us as "losers".

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:54:59pm

re: #216 Walter L. Newton

I got two... Beck signed it with a magic marker. I'm going to put them on Ebay after Armageddon.

Ebay will survive the Armageddon???

Neat ,, I'm buying stock !

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:55:22pm

re: #236 sattv4u2

Ebay will survive the Armageddon???

Neat ,, I'm buying stock !

EBay will survive...the stock market won't.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:55:23pm

re: #233 imp_62

No, Walter. Those are human frailties and failings, not religious values. You know that.

No I don't know that? All I ever hear about is how the religious right is corrupt and that this is what Christianity has come to, as defined by religious conservatives... you know, the Christian Taliban... ever hear of them?

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:55:55pm

re: #234 darthstar

I know you like to play the athiest, but that comment was way off base.

Play... I don't play atheist.

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:56:22pm

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

Fuck the religious values... have you seen what religious values have turned into... buggering kids behind the altar and then covering it up for decades, hypocritical smiling faces on TV, talking out one side of their mouth while they are slamming the female members of their congregation, gay men who can't come to grips with their own sexuality so they feel a need to screw up the life of every other sexually diverse person on the face of this planet.

Is that the religious values you're talking about?

No, I'm talking about Mother Teresa.

I'm talking about hospitals funded and founded by people of faith.

I'm talking charities and social service organizations and so on.

Religion can't be so easily pigeon holed.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:56:33pm

re: #234 darthstar

I know you like to play the athiest, but that comment was way off base.

He is an atheist, but he likes to be deliberately over-the-top.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:57:29pm

re: #240 researchok

No, I'm talking about Mother Teresa.

I'm talking about hospitals funded and founded by people of faith.

I'm talking charities and social service organizations and so on.

Religion can't be so easily pigeon holed.

Wanna bet?

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:57:57pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

He is an atheist, but he likes to be deliberately over-the-top.

I don't believe in Walter's athiesm...but I'm an athiest myself...well, more of a secular humanist who believes that god is a metaphor for the self, but I digress...

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:58:43pm

re: #243 darthstar

I don't believe in Walter's athiesm...but I'm an athiest myself...well, more of a secular humanist who believes that god is a metaphor for the self, but I digress...

Well... thank you Kreskin... do you read palms too?

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:59:02pm

re: #203 joest73

Lol, figures you think that.

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:59:15pm

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

Wanna bet?

I don't want to take your money.
/

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:59:44pm

re: #246 researchok

I don't want to take your money.
/

I don't have any... remember... Bush screwed up the economy.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 5:59:49pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

Well... thank you Kreskin... do you read palms too?

No ,, but I once had a yucca plant that told an interesting tale!

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:00:07pm

Glenn Beck's newest scam - foodinsurance.com...just looked at the basic package (two meals a day for 105 days for two adults and two children):

632 Entrée Package with FREE Drink Mix Combo

Availability: In stock.
$ 1,749.99

Ooh...FREE drink mix combo! I feel sorry for the poor fuckers who get sucked into this...and you can bet that most of the people who throw away money on this will in fact be poor.

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:00:15pm

re: #247 Walter L. Newton

I don't have any... remember... Bush screwed up the economy.

LOL

Touche!

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:00:17pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

No I don't know that? All I ever hear about is how the religious right is corrupt and that this is what Christianity has come to, as defined by religious conservatives... you know, the Christian Taliban... ever hear of them?

I don't look to extremists for definitions of anything. Not religion, not politics, not my rights and obligations as a human being. And a child molester is a child molester whether he is a priest or an atheist. Being Christian does not make you a child buggerer by definition any more than being Muslim makes you a terrorist by definition. There are far too many variables at work, and simply equating the actions of individuals or even groups with the ideal worship of God is fallacious.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:00:29pm

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

Sorry if my #241 offended. I could have said that much better.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:00:32pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

Well... thank you Kreskin... do you read palms too?

Yours are kind of hairy...what's up with that?

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:00:36pm

re: #248 sattv4u2

No ,, but I once had a yucca plant that told an interesting tale!

Yucca... yucca...

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:01:58pm

re: #252 Dark_Falcon

Sorry if my #241 offended. I could have said that much better.

Oh really DF... would you stop apologizing for every thing that comes out of your mouth... like my whole world just changed because you had an opinion... that's annoying.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:02:07pm

re: #249 darthstar

Glenn Beck's newest scam - foodinsurance.com...just looked at the basic package (two meals a day for 105 days for two adults and two children):

632 Entrée Package with FREE Drink Mix Combo

Availability: In stock.
$ 1,749.99

Ooh...FREE drink mix combo! I feel sorry for the poor fuckers who get sucked into this...and you can bet that most of the people who throw away money on this will in fact be poor.

Probably just normal MREs, too. You can get those at good prices from a number of reputable sources. No need to fall for Beck's overpriced schlock.

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:02:48pm

re: #255 Walter L. Newton

Oh really DF... would you stop apologizing for every thing that comes out of your mouth... like my whole world just changed because you had an opinion... that's annoying.

I'm sorry you were annoyed...
;)

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joest73 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:02:55pm

re: #249 darthstar

Glenn Beck's newest scam - foodinsurance.com...just looked at the basic package (two meals a day for 105 days for two adults and two children):

632 Entrée Package with FREE Drink Mix Combo

Availability: In stock.
$ 1,749.99

Ooh...FREE drink mix combo! I feel sorry for the poor fuckers who get sucked into this...and you can bet that most of the people who throw away money on this will in fact be poor.

And in The Kingdom of Nye.....Art Bell is jealous.

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:03:23pm

re: #203 joest73

Without a sarc tag, I couldn't tell if you were joking or not...if you weren't joking, FOAD.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:03:23pm

re: #258 joest73

And in The Kingdom of Nye...Art Bell is jealous.

he's still alive?

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:03:54pm

re: #249 darthstar

Glenn Beck's newest scam - foodinsurance.com...just looked at the basic package (two meals a day for 105 days for two adults and two children):

632 Entrée Package with FREE Drink Mix Combo

Availability: In stock.
$ 1,749.99

Ooh...FREE drink mix combo! I feel sorry for the poor fuckers who get sucked into this...and you can bet that most of the people who throw away money on this will in fact be poor.

It's nothing new... they are just a sponsor... been around for a while... 1998 to be exact.

[Link: web.informer.com...]

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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:04:10pm

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

Probably just normal MREs, too. You can get those at good prices from a number of reputable sources. No need to fall for Beck's overpriced schlock.

Today's MRE's are fantastic. My pop gave me old school C Rations to play army with. Those will put some hair on your chest.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:04:44pm

re: #259 talon_262

Without a sarc tag, I couldn't tell if you were joking or not...if you weren't joking, FOAD.

I think he added the sarc tag shortly after my [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] comment

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Locker Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:04:54pm

re: #240 researchok

Religion can't be so easily pigeon holed.

I think this is true, simply because the term is so broad and inclusive of almost every dogma people may invent. There is, however, a disturbing manipulation played by a lot of the major religions.

Basically it's a system where there is some sort of human conduit to "god" to which you are obliged to obey. A systems that encourage people to give up their free will and their personal judgment in exchange for the will of a "spiritual leader" is an apple of potential abuse and corruption just BEGGING to be picked.

Religion is positively overrun with these types of system, enough so to make it an understandable generalization.

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joest73 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:04:58pm

re: #259 talon_262

Without a sarc tag, I couldn't tell if you were joking or not...if you weren't joking, FOAD.

Yes....I don't believe that crap.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:05:25pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Today's MRE's are fantastic. My pop gave me old school C Rations to play army with. Those will put some hair on your chest.

I had WWII surplus. I liked the 30 year old cigarettes... and the chocolate covered crackers...

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:05:25pm

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

Probably just normal MREs, too. You can get those at good prices from a number of reputable sources. No need to fall for Beck's overpriced schlock.

Mmm...I love Chocolate Milk...and it's only $119.00

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:05:49pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Today's MRE's are fantastic. My pop gave me old school C Rations to play army with. Those will put some hair on your chest.

[Link: www.mreinfo.com...]

FYI

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Linden Arden Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:06:12pm

This is interesting.

Heat Map of Foreclosures by Congressional District

(R) districts have higher foreclosure rates and stress.

Is this feeding right-wing anger?

Does this call out the lie of the CRA "minorities caused the mortgage crisis"?

Does the right channel their anger differently?

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engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:06:20pm

re: #249 darthstar

Glenn Beck's newest scam - foodinsurance.com...just looked at the basic package (two meals a day for 105 days for two adults and two children):

i wonder if armageddon will be called off if there is a republican president and congress in 2017

i would so hate to see mr beck's little teevee show and societal collapse preparedness business derailed by an administration he's supposed to agree with

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:06:24pm

re: #261 Walter L. Newton

It's nothing new... they are just a sponsor... been around for a while... 1998 to be exact.

[Link: web.informer.com...]

I wonder if they have Halal meals. That would really blow Beck's mind.

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joest73 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:06:54pm

re: #260 sattv4u2

he's still alive?

I think he still does a show or two when George SNoory is on vacation.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:07:28pm

re: #267 darthstar

Mmm...I love Chocolate Milk...and it's only $119.00

You want emergency food... go buy a case of Ramen... about 4 bucks... and there's enough salt in the package to raze Carthage again if you feel the need.

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:07:30pm

re: #227 joest73

Uhh, Kari Byron is back from maternity leave (AFAIK) and has been filming new episodes of Mythbusters, as well as her own Mythbusters-derived show, Head Rush.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:08:05pm

re: #272 joest73

I think he still does a show or two when George SNoory is on vacation.

Ian Punnit (sp??) does that, I think

The Art Bells I hear sometimes leaving/ going to work post midnight are REAL old shows

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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:08:38pm

There's a reason why Glenn Beck is going to these fringe outfits for ads on his shows: because sane advertisers are deserting him en masse.

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:09:46pm

re: #267 darthstar

Mmm...I love Chocolate Milk...and it's only $119.00

Damn, it's just like at the movies!

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:09:50pm

re: #276 Charles

There's a reason why Glenn Beck is going to these fringe outfits for ads on his shows: because sane advertisers are deserting him en masse.

Is there a good link for that? I would be interested to see the source data. Thanks...

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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:09:53pm

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

I wonder if they have Halal meals. That would really blow Beck's mind.

Suspect they have a significant Mormon client base, since the maintenance of a long-term (1 yr or so) food reserve is a Mormon practice. The government shipping regs even allow movement of the reserve to overseas post.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:10:13pm

re: #276 Charles

There's a reason why Glenn Beck is going to these fringe outfits for ads on his shows: because sane advertisers are deserting him en masse.

I hope the people who boycott Glenn Beck's show also Boycott Fox entirely, if they don't then they're not so much making a political statement as an accounting migraine as all Fox would nee to do is shuffle the add schedule to keep their revenue the same...

Wouldn't they?

(Unless off course we were lucky enough that EVERYONE decided to boycott Glenn Beck. add wise..)

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:10:40pm

re: #277 Varek Raith

Damn, it's just like at the movies!

That's because you are buying a small chocolate milk and sharing with your date, you cheapskate.

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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:10:54pm

re: #278 imp_62

Is there a good link for that? I would be interested to see the source data. Thanks...

There are several posts at LGF -- the search feature is your friend.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:11:05pm

re: #279 Decatur Deb

Suspect they have a significant Mormon client base, since the maintenance of a long-term (1 yr or so) food reserve is a Mormon practice. The government shipping regs even allow movement of the reserve to overseas post.

The way they walk around neighborhoods, is it called Meals On heels !?!?!

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Usually refered to as anyways Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:11:32pm

In the news:

China surprises with interest rate hike...

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:11:43pm

re: #264 Locker

I think this is true, simply because the term is so broad and inclusive of almost every dogma people may invent. There is, however, a disturbing manipulation played by a lot of the major religions.

Basically it's a system where there is some sort of human conduit to "god" to which you are obliged to obey. A systems that encourage people to give up their free will and their personal judgment in exchange for the will of a "spiritual leader" is an apple of potential abuse and corruption just BEGGING to be picked.

Religion is positively overrun with these types of system, enough so to make it an understandable generalization.

Not much to add- you are right on the money. That said, I want to clarify that some religions do not install an intermediary between many and God.

Nevertheless, as with any kind of organization, there are those who will abuse the system. Your point re 'an apple of potential abuse' is particularly apt.

Power will do that.

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webevintage Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:12:02pm

WTH?
[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

It was 7:30 a.m. on Saturday, Oct. 9 when Justice Clarence Thomas' wife called Anita Hill and left a message saying, "Good morning, Anita Hill, it's Ginni Thomas. I just wanted to reach across the airwaves and the years and ask you to consider something. I would love you to consider an apology sometime and some full explanation of why you did what you did with my husband. So give it some thought and certainly pray about this and come to understand why you did what you did. OK, have a good day."

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Stanghazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:12:31pm

re: #276 Charles

There's a reason why Glenn Beck is going to these fringe outfits for ads on his shows: because sane advertisers are deserting him en masse.

Color of Change kicked his ass. Unfortunately diligence is necessary as the advertisers will re-sign unless the pressure remains.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:12:40pm

re: #279 Decatur Deb

Suspect they have a significant Mormon client base, since the maintenance of a long-term (1 yr or so) food reserve is a Mormon practice. The government shipping regs even allow movement of the reserve to overseas post.

It's a practice dating back to when the Mormons were hated and attacked. If you have a secure refuge and a food and water supply, you may be able to stand off the haters attacking you till they run out of supplies and have to leave. Emergency food supplies are actually a good idea, but Beck is not likely the one to take advice from on them.

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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:13:46pm

ok. peace. i'm out for the night.

but will leave you with...........

Dave Allen on Religion

Youtube Video

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Stanghazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:14:08pm

re: #286 webevintage

WTH?
[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

A page was just posted on this.

Anita called the campus police. ha!

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:14:22pm

re: #286 webevintage

WTH?
[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

Hill wronged her and her husband greatly. I don't know why Ginni Thomas is bringing it up know, but she is due an apology.

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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:14:49pm

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

LOL!
*waves to all*

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:15:27pm

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

It's a practice dating back to when the Mormons were hated and attacked. If you have a secure refuge and a food and water supply, you may be able to stand off the haters attacking you till they run out of supplies and have to leave. Emergency food supplies are actually a good idea, but Beck is not likely the one to take advice from on them.

I usually have a week and a half backup.
For the occasional hurricane/tropical storm that wanders up this way.
That and the unpredictable winters...
Last winter, 5+ feet of snow.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:16:00pm

re: #284 ozbloke

In the news:

China surprises with interest rate hike...

A surprise

One of the reasons the market was down 165 pts today

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Stanghazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:16:12pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

Hill wronged her and her husband greatly. I don't know why Ginni Thomas is bringing it up know, but she is due an apology.

Uh, ever imagine that Anita Hill wasn't lying?

It all comes down to:

Do you believe him or her.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:16:29pm

re: #293 Varek Raith

I usually have a week and a half backup.
For the occasional hurricane/tropical storm that wanders up this way.
That and the unpredictable winters...
Last winter, 5+ feet of snow.

Light winter... huh?

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:16:55pm

re: #296 Walter L. Newton

Light winter... huh?

Heh!
I suppose for you it would be!
:)

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:17:20pm

re: #214 darthstar

I'm watching Countdown, however, because I want to see Glenn Beck's newest scam - survival backpacks full of beef stroganoff. They'll sell too...in fact, I wouldn't be surprised to have one under the tree at Xmas this year as my parents watch Fox.

Is this like MREs, or do you throw the stroganoff-backpack to the bears, hoping they'll eat it first while you make a speedy getaway?

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:17:27pm

re: #295 Stanley Sea

Uh, ever imagine that Anita Hill wasn't lying?

It all comes down to:

Do you believe him or her.

I believe him. End of story.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:17:49pm

re: #296 Walter L. Newton

Light winter... huh?

Oh great does that mean we can look forward to more "Global Warming is a Myth" 3 months from now?

I missed how we didn't hear anybody claiming that during the summer and citing the current temperature as evidence....

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Tigger2005 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:18:07pm

re: #206 Linden Arden

He also got the hell out of Lebanon after 241 US Marines were killed by terrorists.

Bin Laden: Hmm, terrorism works.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:18:09pm

re: #221 darthstar

You're supposed to sit in your bunker eating your stroganoff and laughing at your neighbors who are dying of starvation because they didn't "invest" in one of these things.

How long can a backpack full of stroganoff last?

And don't the neighbors eventually swarm your bunker and eat you as well as your stroganoff?

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:18:26pm

re: #298 SanFranciscoZionist

Is this like MREs, or do you throw the stroganoff-backpack to the bears, hoping they'll eat it first while you make a speedy getaway?

It's like MREs. This company doesn't have them, but there are Kosher MREs, And Halal ones, too.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:18:28pm

re: #298 SanFranciscoZionist

Is this like MREs, or do you throw the stroganoff-backpack to the bears, hoping they'll eat it first while you make a speedy getaway?

No you slip one arm under the backpack and use it to beat other people senseless and take their edible food.

Works the same way as Dwarven Bread.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:18:29pm

re: #226 imp_62

I am simply going to eat my neighbours after they finish their beef stroganoff.

SEE? SEE?

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:18:30pm

re: #300 jamesfirecat

Oh great does that mean we can look forward to more "Global Warming is a Myth" 3 months from now?

I missed how we didn't hear anybody claiming that during the summer and citing the current temperature as evidence...

Walter stuck his head out of his hole and didn't see a shadow

Make of that what you will!

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Stanghazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:18:54pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

I believe him. End of story.

Got it!

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:19:06pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

How long can a backpack full of stroganoff last?

And don't the neighbors eventually swarm your bunker and eat you as well as your stroganoff?

That why you also buy an AR-15.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:19:33pm

re: #297 Varek Raith

Heh!
I suppose for you it would be!
:)

Well... last year, yes... this year, not sure yet... had a flurry in Aug., and a week ago Tuesday had about 1/4 inch... but that's it... been a bit drier than normal so far, and only a few nights below freezing... heck, we had 3 night in a row in Aug, below freezing.

So... we'll see.

Won't bother me too much. Last winter I was still working at the theatre 26 miles downhill from here... this year, 4 miles to the store... so... there's probably not much snow that would shut me down this year anyway.

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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:19:40pm

re: #305 SanFranciscoZionist

SEE? SEE?

Stoganoff? Doesn't that sound a little Russki to you?

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webevintage Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:20:04pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

I believe him. End of story.

and I believe her.

Ginny needs to move on and, I don't know, maybe begin a nutjob Tea Party PAC to fill her time instead of obsessing over Anita Hill.

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jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:20:13pm

re: #310 Decatur Deb

Must be Alaskan.

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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:20:16pm

Rachel Maddow is kicking ass and taking names tonight.

Republican racism is the subject. And I couldn't agree more -- this is a huge reason why I'm completely done with the Republican Party. At this point, my distaste for the GOP has reached the level of absolute disgust.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:20:18pm

re: #310 Decatur Deb

Stoganoff? Doesn't that sound a little Russki to you?

Boris Baddinoffs cousin!

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:21:10pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Today's MRE's are fantastic. My pop gave me old school C Rations to play army with. Those will put some hair on your chest.

A while ago, Flylady (a cleaning and organizing cult with a website) had a contest to write in the weirdest stuff you'd gotten rid of while decluttering. One woman had two cases of C-rats from when her husband was in Vietnam.

During the Vietnam War, just to be clear.

"Mmmm. Nothing like a thirtysomething military meal," was her comment.

I might have opened one just to see how they had survived.

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:21:18pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

It's like MREs. This company doesn't have them, but there are Kosher MREs, And Halal ones, too.

More overpriced junk from The Glenn Beck Show?

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:21:19pm

re: #295 Stanley Sea

Uh, ever imagine that Anita Hill wasn't lying?

It all comes down to:

Do you believe him or her.

Precisely...all of the shit that was leveled at Anita Hill was the same shit that was pulled with Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky, IIRC.

Men with lots of political power acting as if they are above the law...it's positively shameful

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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:21:25pm

re: #314 sattv4u2

Boris Baddinoffs cousin!

Is catching squirrel stew with AR-15.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:22:11pm

re: #313 Charles

Rachel Maddow is kicking ass and taking names tonight.

Republican racism is the subject. And I couldn't agree more -- this is a huge reason why I'm completely done with the Republican Party. At this point, my distaste for the GOP has reached the level of absolute disgust.

By the 2012 elections if things keep up the way they currently have the phrase GOP could be enough to cause you physical discomfort.

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:22:32pm

re: #309 Walter L. Newton

4 or more inches of snow cripples my city.
Lol...

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:22:52pm

re: #279 Decatur Deb

Suspect they have a significant Mormon client base, since the maintenance of a long-term (1 yr or so) food reserve is a Mormon practice. The government shipping regs even allow movement of the reserve to overseas post.

Makes sense. Forgot about the Mormon stockpiling requirement.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:23:09pm

re: #320 Varek Raith

4 or more inches of snow cripples my city.
Lol...

I know.

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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:23:24pm

re: #320 Varek Raith

4 or more inches of snow cripples my city.
Lol...

Rumor of snow has closed our school system. Fur Reel.

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Locker Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:23:38pm

re: #285 researchok

Not much to add- you are right on the money. That said, I want to clarify that some religions do not install an intermediary between many and God.

Nevertheless, as with any kind of organization, there are those who will abuse the system. Your point re 'an apple of potential abuse' is particularly apt.

Power will do that.

Again I agree completely. I didn't want to be a shill for a particular system I'm fond of but Buddha and Buddhism basically start out by saying "don't worship me, don't believe anything I say, test this shit out for yourself".

That's a system I can try out with little fear of manipulation.

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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:23:44pm

Maddow: "you risk being seen as a bigot in order to gain the votes of white bigots."

This.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:23:45pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

Hill wronged her and her husband greatly. I don't know why Ginni Thomas is bringing it up know, but she is due an apology.

Exactly how did Hill 'wrong' Clarence Thomas?

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:23:46pm

re: #316 Gus 802

More overpriced junk from The Glenn Beck Show?

I was just discussing MREs in general. Not only the stuff Beck is hocking.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:24:14pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

I believe him. End of story.

I believe her.

Equally end.

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:24:22pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

How long can a backpack full of stroganoff last?

And don't the neighbors eventually swarm your bunker and eat you as well as your stroganoff?

They probably wouldn't bother with the stroganoff.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:25:22pm

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

That why you also buy an AR-15.

So now you are armed to the teeth and eating beef stroganoff...

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:25:28pm

re: #320 Varek Raith

4 or more inches of snow cripples my city.
Lol...

A dusting here in Nashville shuts down schools and sends everyone to the grocery store for milk, bread, eggs, and toilet paper...

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:25:37pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

How long can a backpack full of stroganoff last?

And don't the neighbors eventually swarm your bunker and eat you as well as your stroganoff?

Just get a droideka.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:25:49pm

re: #311 webevintage

and I believe her.

Ginny needs to move on and, I don't know, maybe begin a nutjob Tea Party PAC to fill her time instead of obsessing over Anita Hill.

Hasn't she already done so? Apparently she can multi-task.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:25:50pm

re: #320 Varek Raith

4 or more inches of snow cripples my city.
Lol...

Invest in crutches!

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joest73 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:25:51pm

re: #275 sattv4u2

Ian Punnit (sp??) does that, I think

The Art Bells I hear sometimes leaving/ going to work post midnight are REAL old shows

He still does one or two...not many. Last year he did the New Years Eve prediction show. He will probably do it again this year.

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Usually refered to as anyways Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:26:03pm

re: #294 sattv4u2

A surprise

One of the reasons the market was down 165 pts today

The US dollar strengthened against the Aussie dollar we were at parity a couple of days ago, we are now at 96odd cents.

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:26:07pm

re: #323 Decatur Deb

Rumor of snow has closed our school system. Fur Reel.

I know your pain...me, I love driving in the snow, because I know how to (enough).

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:26:09pm

re: #305 SanFranciscoZionist

SEE? SEE?

It is simple common sense, don't you know? Not only would they be an excellent protein source (and stuffed full of yummy stroganoff), but I would be ridding the post-apocalyptic world of people who gave money to Glenn Beck.

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engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:26:28pm

re: #319 jamesfirecat

By the 2012 elections if things keep up the way they currently have the phrase GOP could be enough to cause you physical discomfort.

On Monday's "O'Reilly Factor," Fox News analyst Juan Williams told Bill O'Reilly that he supported his statement that "Muslims killed us on 9/11," and that he feels nervous when he sees Muslims on the same plane as him. (h/t Think Progress.)

if things keep up this way by 2012 we might be all be nervously and ostentatiously mouthing whatever beck and limbaugh say and hoping that this keeps the 'security' forces from coming around to 'protect' us

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:26:57pm

re: #331 talon_262

A dusting here in Nashville shuts down schools and sends everyone to the grocery store for milk, bread, eggs, and toilet paper...

Toilet paper... thanks for the reminder... I knew there was something I kept trying to use off and on today, and I couldn't remember what that was.

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goddamnedfrank Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:27:16pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

I believe him. End of story.

Pure confirmation bias, cf. tax brackets. It's one thing to say that you believe him, it's quite another to say that Hill owes anybody an apology. Only Clarence and Anita have absolute knowledge of what happened, everything else is interpretation and supposition.

Youtube Video

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:27:31pm

re: #337 talon_262

I know your pain...me, I love driving in the snow, because I know how to (enough).

Yeah, no one around here does... Of course, I'm not that far from DC. People who already can't drive+snow=Busy day for LEO.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:27:40pm

re: #335 joest73

He still does one or two...not many. Last year he did the New Years Eve prediction show. He will probably do it again this year.

And when did he predict New Years Eve is going to happen this year?

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:27:45pm

re: #340 Walter L. Newton

Toilet paper... thanks for the reminder... I knew there was something I kept trying to use off and on today, and I couldn't remember what that was.

Need an instruction manual !?!?

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:28:50pm

re: #325 Charles

Maddow: "you risk being seen as a bigot in order to gain the votes of white bigots."

This.

And the thing is, the wingnuts and Tea Partiers don't really give a shit on whether they appear bigoted or not, just so long as they gain political power.

As a marginal Republican, it makes me want to fucking retch...

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shutdown Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:29:02pm

I am off to the downstairs realm of wives and kids to see if they still remember me. Night, all

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:29:37pm

re: #233 imp_62

No, Walter. Those are human frailties and failings, not religious values. You know that.

this

religion isn't the problem, stupid and vicious and hateful people are the problem

and they seem to be aligning on one political side more than the other these days

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:29:43pm

re: #346 imp_62

I am off to the downstairs realm of wives and kids to see if they still remember me. Night, all

I'm not sure whether you're complaining or hoping!!

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:29:53pm

re: #313 Charles

Careful...she'll turn you into a lesbian, Charles...she already got me.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:30:16pm

re: #313 Charles

Rachel Maddow is kicking ass and taking names tonight.

Republican racism is the subject. And I couldn't agree more -- this is a huge reason why I'm completely done with the Republican Party. At this point, my distaste for the GOP has reached the level of absolute disgust.

I dig her so much

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:30:16pm

re: #348 sattv4u2

I'm not sure whether you're complaining or hoping!!

He uses the plural "wives".
He's boned.
/

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Linden Arden Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:30:23pm

re: #325 Charles

Did you see the blog war between Reason and Wonkette on the Oathkeeper baby that the state of New Hampshire took from their parents?

It was a beaut of a blog war.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:30:24pm

re: #339 engineer dog

On Monday's "O'Reilly Factor," Fox News analyst Juan Williams told Bill O'Reilly that he supported his statement that "Muslims killed us on 9/11," and that he feels nervous when he sees Muslims on the same plane as him. (h/t Think Progress.)

if things keep up this way by 2012 we might be all be nervously and ostentatiously mouthing whatever beck and limbaugh say and hoping that this keeps the 'security' forces from coming around to 'protect' us

I'm reminded of one of my most hilarious moments in plane-hijacking-paranoia. After carefully, carefully, keeping an eye on the young Pakistani-looking guy next to me for nearly fifteen minutes, and taking careful notes of every suspicious thing he'd done, his wife showed up. In a sari and bindi. With a baby, a stroller, and a giant thing of Pampers.

I decided he was probably safe. No one was going to drag that many Pampers on a suicide mission.

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:30:25pm

re: #325 Charles

Maddow: "you risk being seen as a bigot in order to gain the votes of white bigots."

This.

Rachel Rules!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:30:43pm

re: #349 darthstar

Careful...she'll turn you into a lesbian, Charles...she already got me.

You're no lesbian, you drive a BMW :D

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:31:16pm

re: #342 Varek Raith

Yeah, no one around here does... Of course, I'm not that far from DC. People who already can't drive+snow=Busy day for LEO.

That would be the same for most Nashvillians...one drop of rain or speck of snow and people start panicking and randomly running into shit.

357

Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:31:31pm

This is what's going on among conservatives on Twitter tonight -- they're giddy with excitement over Christine O'Donnell's religious right nonsense.

1st amendment used by godless 2 oppress christians- o'donnell says NO MORE!

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:31:32pm

re: #355 WindUpBird

You're no lesbian, you drive a BMW :D

Actually, my wife drives it more than I do, except during ski season.

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:31:38pm

re: #355 WindUpBird

You're no lesbian, you drive a BMW :D

I'm a lesbian....if by lesbian you mean likes to sleep with women.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:32:24pm

re: #356 talon_262

That would be the same for most Nashvillians...one drop of rain or speck of snow and people start panicking and randomly running into shit.

The dept of Sanitation needs to do a better job of cleaning up after the horses!

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:32:52pm

re: #356 talon_262

That would be the same for most Nashvillians...one drop of rain or speck of snow and people start panicking and randomly running into shit.

Here in Chicagoland nobody panics. We just lay down lots of road salt.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:33:05pm

re: #359 PT Barnum

I'm a lesbian...if by lesbian you mean likes to sleep with women.

As I may have stated on this site before, I think we need to get rid of the whole straight/gay thing, and identify people by WHO THEY WANT TO SLEEP WITH, ie, guysexual or galsexual. People have more in common within those groups that in the ones we use now.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:33:43pm

re: #359 PT Barnum

I'm a lesbian...if by lesbian you mean likes to sleep with women.

Not just sleep with them. Live with them, shop with them, iron clothes for them, listen to them...my wife rocks, and I'm really fucking happy she's in my life.

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:34:36pm

re: #363 darthstar

Not just sleep with them. Live with them, shop with them, iron clothes for them, listen to them...my wife rocks, and I'm really fucking happy she's in my life.

Me too...

365

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:34:58pm

re: #358 darthstar

Actually, my wife drives it more than I do, except during ski season.

heehee

Okay, what's your daily driver, out with it

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:35:01pm

re: #357 Charles

This is what's going on among conservatives on Twitter tonight -- they're giddy with excitement over Christine O'Donnell's religious right nonsense.

Yeah enough of this

"Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting the free exercise thereof (Religion)"

BS!

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:35:23pm

re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist

identify people by WHO THEY WANT TO SLEEP WITH

I've been relegated to the guest room with the two pooches

I snore, and they don't mind!

368

Nervous Norvous Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:35:45pm

Got the oddest compliment last night at Toastmasters.

My evaluator said "You know you could read the phonebook and it would be just like making love."

I really wanted to say "Actually I've been told that when I'm making love, it's just like reading the phonebook, but didn't think that was the place."

369

Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:35:49pm

re: #364 PT Barnum

Me too...

His wife is in your life?

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HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:35:57pm

re: #366 jamesfirecat

Yeah enough of this

"Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting the free exercise thereof (Religion)"

BS!

You're oppressing me! Why can't I force my Christianity on the country!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:36:34pm

re: #367 sattv4u2

happiness is having a partner who isn't offended when you sleep on the couch

because drunk, snoring, stoned, up all night playing the glorious Fallout New Vegas (fuck you Kragar) or whatever :D

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:36:57pm

re: #361 Dark_Falcon

Here in Chicagoland nobody panics. We just lay down lots of road salt.

Here, TN DOT and Metro Publics Works either salt too early (it gets blown or washed away) or too late (with not enough salt), although they've gotten better since they've gone to primarily using brine solutions instead of rock salt the past few years.

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Linden Arden Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:36:58pm

re: #366 jamesfirecat

Yeah enough of this

"Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting the free exercise thereof (Religion)"

BS!

The wingnuts will say that sure - Congress can't establish a religion - but a state can and may.

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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:37:58pm

re: #373 Linden Arden

The wingnuts will say that sure - Congress can't establish a religion - but a state can and may.

I've seen that argued.

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:38:00pm

re: #361 Dark_Falcon

Here in Chicagoland nobody panics. We just lay down lots of road salt.

Well, so do we. Then drive through it at 50mph!
It's scary around here when it snows...

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:38:00pm

re: #367 sattv4u2

identify people by WHO THEY WANT TO SLEEP WITH

I've been relegated to the guest room with the two pooches

I snore, and they don't mind!

Have you checked to make sure you don't have apnea? I don't snore at all since I got my machine.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:38:01pm

re: #373 Linden Arden

The wingnuts will say that sure - Congress can't establish a religion - but a state can and may.

This looks like a job for Tenther Man!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:38:05pm

re: #361 Dark_Falcon

Here in Chicagoland nobody panics. We just lay down lots of road salt.

and your cars rot to shit from the inside and nobody with a brain would ever buy a used car from your city :D

(I kid, i understand, i'm just happy to live somewhere without apocalyptic winters)

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:38:12pm

re: #371 WindUpBird

happiness is having a partner who isn't offended when you sleep on the couch

because drunk, snoring, stoned, up all night playing the glorious Fallout New Vegas (fuck you Kragar) or whatever :D

OFFENDED !?!?!

she INSISTED !!

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:38:18pm

re: #372 talon_262

ARRRGGHH...meant "Metro Public Works"

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:38:40pm

re: #373 Linden Arden

The wingnuts will say that sure - Congress can't establish a religion - but a state can and may.

which seems to be like saying the feds can't tell black people they can't enter a business, but states can

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:39:15pm

re: #379 sattv4u2

OFFENDED !?!?!

she INSISTED !!

ahahahaha

I don't snore but I've heard stories of those who do, from those who live with those who do

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:39:15pm

re: #376 PT Barnum

Have you checked to make sure you don't have apnea? I don't snore at all since I got my machine.

I do have it, and I have the machine

Trying to sleep with it on is an entire different story!

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:39:27pm

re: #368 PT Barnum

Got the oddest compliment last night at Toastmasters.

My evaluator said "You know you could read the phonebook and it would be just like making love."

I really wanted to say "Actually I've been told that when I'm making love, it's just like reading the phonebook, but didn't think that was the place."

ARE YOU MORGAN FREEMAN?!?!
/

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Linden Arden Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:39:43pm

re: #381 WindUpBird

which seems to be like saying the feds can't tell black people they can't enter a business, but states can

Exactly - the 14th put that idiot idea to rest when it incorporated the Bill of Rights into state law.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:39:59pm

re: #375 Varek Raith

Well, so do we. Then drive through it at 50mph!
It's scary around here when it snows...

Well, with one of these, you're fucking gold

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:40:11pm

re: #365 WindUpBird

heehee

Okay, what's your daily driver, out with it

I drive a Nissan 350Z (her choice!) - I call it my "midlife crisis car"...we also have a Smart Car which she drives when she's coming home before dark or I drive...42mpg!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:40:13pm

re: #385 Linden Arden

Exactly - the 14th put that idiot idea to rest when it incorporated the Bill of Rights into state law.

Those bastards!

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:40:13pm

Iz oppressed by de church!

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:40:23pm

Hey Dark not to begrudge you your opinion but just to try and get inside your head a little better, and avoid further offenses, why did you find my 34 deserving of a Down Ding?

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:41:08pm

re: #361 Dark_Falcon

Here in Chicagoland nobody panics. We just lay down lots of road salt.

*rimshot*

;-P

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engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:41:10pm

1st amendment used by godless 2 oppress christians- o'donnell says NO MORE!

i am sitting here trying to think of how christians are being oppressed

anybody getting kicked out of the army for admitting that they are christians? people wearing crosses getting pulled out of the line in airports? atheists taking over foxholes and forbidding people to pray?

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kirkspencer Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:41:14pm

re: #383 sattv4u2

I do have it, and I have the machine

Trying to sleep with it on is an entire different story!

A small tidbit you might find useful. I stuff up when using mine, or at least I did for the first month of using it. I did some research, and now every night I put a few drops of peppermint extract into the reservoir with the water. I've not been stuffed up while using it since then - for about four or five years, now.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:41:38pm

One nation

under zuul

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:42:06pm

re: #383 sattv4u2

I do have it, and I have the machine

Trying to sleep with it on is an entire different story!

Drop me a line on my site email and we can compare notes. Some of it's the mask you use. If you are using the Nasal (darth vader style) mask, the nasal pillow masks are much quieter and a lot more comfortable. Once I switched to the Swift FX, I was much more comfortable. I also use a Resmed S8 which lowers the pressure on exhale which makes it a lot more comfortable.

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:42:30pm

re: #394 WindUpBird

One nation

under zuul

The truth would be "one nation, under dollars."

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:42:31pm

re: #392 engineer dog

1st amendment used by godless 2 oppress christians- o'donnell says NO MORE!

i am sitting here trying to think of how christians are being oppressed

anybody getting kicked out of the army for admitting that they are christians? people wearing crosses getting pulled out of the line in airports? atheists taking over foxholes and forbidding people to pray?

These aren't rational people arguing this, it's like arguing with a dog

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:42:35pm

re: #376 PT Barnum

re: #383 sattv4u2

I do have it, and I have the machine

Trying to sleep with it on is an entire different story!

Actually, what happened was,,, I usually get home from work around 11 p.m

Wifey is still awake in the family room watching TV. I don't care for the show shes got on so I go up to the bedroom, get dressed for bed, lie in said bed ,, flip on TV and promptly fall fast asleep,, SANS machine!

By the time she comes upstairs I'm in full snore mode

SO ,,,, guest room was the best option

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jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:42:38pm

re: #392 engineer dog

You have to watch the annual O'Reilly "War on Christmas" feature to get a real feel for it.

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:42:48pm

Eek, I said truth!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:43:12pm

re: #387 darthstar

I drive a Nissan 350Z (her choice!) - I call it my "midlife crisis car"...we also have a Smart Car which she drives when she's coming home before dark or I drive...42mpg!

You have a Z! You rule, sir

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:43:36pm

re: #392 engineer dog

1st amendment used by godless 2 oppress christians- o'donnell says NO MORE!

i am sitting here trying to think of how christians are being oppressed

anybody getting kicked out of the army for admitting that they are christians? people wearing crosses getting pulled out of the line in airports? atheists taking over foxholes and forbidding people to pray?

Stop making sense!

/Talking Heads

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:43:43pm

re: #395 PT Barnum

Drop me a line on my site email and we can compare notes. Some of it's the mask you use. If you are using the Nasal (darth vader style) mask, the nasal pillow masks are much quieter and a lot more comfortable. Once I switched to the Swift FX, I was much more comfortable. I also use a Resmed S8 which lowers the pressure on exhale which makes it a lot more comfortable.

will do

404

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:44:03pm

re: #394 WindUpBird

One nation

under zuul

One nation...

THAT WILL KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:44:10pm

re: #392 engineer dog

1st amendment used by godless 2 oppress christians- o'donnell says NO MORE!

i am sitting here trying to think of how christians are being oppressed

anybody getting kicked out of the army for admitting that they are christians? people wearing crosses getting pulled out of the line in airports? atheists taking over foxholes and forbidding people to pray?

Persecution complex.
Evolution is an attack on their faith.
Other faiths are an attack on their faith.
No faith is an attack on their faith.
Geology is an attack on their faith.
Ah hell, science is an attack on their faith.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:44:21pm

re: #393 kirkspencer

A small tidbit you might find useful. I stuff up when using mine, or at least I did for the first month of using it. I did some research, and now every night I put a few drops of peppermint extract into the reservoir with the water. I've not been stuffed up while using it since then - for about four or five years, now.

see #398

i'm usually fast asleep before I even get the infernal thing on!

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:44:29pm

re: #382 WindUpBird

ahahahaha

I don't snore but I've heard stories of those who do, from those who live with those who do

My husband, a college friend of mine and I shared a hotel room at a wedding a couple weeks ago.

I woke up at three with my friend standing distraught over me, saying "SFZ, make him stop storing before I smother him with this pillow!"

Have you ever tried to...never mind.

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Digital Display Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:44:29pm

good evening Lizards!

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:44:42pm

re: #393 kirkspencer

A small tidbit you might find useful. I stuff up when using mine, or at least I did for the first month of using it. I did some research, and now every night I put a few drops of peppermint extract into the reservoir with the water. I've not been stuffed up while using it since then - for about four or five years, now.

That helps a lot. You don't even have to put it in the water...I found a neat little item on cpap.com that has a diffuser disk (looks like a communion wafer) that sits in a holder in front of the intake. They have all sorts of different essential oils that you can use to make Cpap therapy more pleasant.

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engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:44:52pm

re: #397 WindUpBird

These aren't rational people arguing this, it's like arguing with a dog

hey!

us dogs refused to participate in the spanish inquisition on canine-itarian grounds

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:45:11pm

re: #387 darthstar

I drive a Nissan 350Z (her choice!) - I call it my "midlife crisis car"...we also have a Smart Car which she drives when she's coming home before dark or I drive...42mpg!

The Smart is nice, but if you want massive mpg, turbodiesel Golf, better mpg, more fun, turbo, and back seats :D But I'm impressed mightily by the Z, I loved the 240Z when I was a kid, I love that Nissan makes an affodable RWD car with 300hp and about 3000lb curb weight, and then a psycho AWD death machine for anyone with $80,000 to throw around

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:45:17pm

re: #404 jamesfirecat

One nation...

THAT WILL KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!

Kneel before Skynet!

They will come to Earth in the form of Buddy Hackett.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:45:17pm

re: #401 WindUpBird

You have a Z! You rule, sir

My wife rules...her 2000 Passat was dying (I'd pumped over 4K into it between June and August three years ago) and she picked out the Z. I tried selling it last year, but had no takers...since it's got Sirius (Grateful Dead shows every morning at 9am!) I think I'll probably keep it for a few more years. The BMW is about to go back though...think we'll get a used Chevy Tahoe for skiing.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:45:29pm

re: #404 jamesfirecat

One nation...

THAT WILL KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!

SON OF JOR EL?!?!?!?!

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:45:31pm

re: #407 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband, a college friend of mine and I shared a hotel room at a wedding a couple weeks ago.

I woke up at three with my friend standing distraught over me, saying "SFZ, make him stop storing before I smother him with this pillow!"

Have you ever tried to...never mind.

What was he storing ,, foodstuffs al a Beck !?!?!

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kirkspencer Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:45:44pm

re: #392 engineer dog

1st amendment used by godless 2 oppress christians- o'donnell says NO MORE!

i am sitting here trying to think of how christians are being oppressed

anybody getting kicked out of the army for admitting that they are christians? people wearing crosses getting pulled out of the line in airports? atheists taking over foxholes and forbidding people to pray?

Churches being burned? Massive turnouts at county commissioner meetings trying to get building permits blocked or cancelled? Pickets demanding the churches not be built?

Calls by national pundits to kick all Christians out of the country? Insistance that all Christians are terrorists? Demands that Christians not be allowed to be members of the military, or allowed to hold services or gatherings? (For the record, that last sentence is also atheists and wiccans as well as muslims.)

Yeah. Thought not.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:45:47pm

re: #405 Varek Raith

Persecution complex.
Evolution is an attack on their faith.
Other faiths are an attack on their faith.
No faith is an attack on their faith.
Geology is an attack on their faith.
Ah hell, science is an attack on their faith.

Critical thinking is an attack on their faith.

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:46:19pm

re: #398 sattv4u2

re: #383 sattv4u2

Actually, what happened was,,, I usually get home from work around 11 p.m

Wifey is still awake in the family room watching TV. I don't care for the show shes got on so I go up to the bedroom, get dressed for bed, lie in said bed ,, flip on TV and promptly fall fast asleep,, SANS machine!

By the time she comes upstairs I'm in full snore mode

SO ,,, guest room was the best option

If you have the right mask, you can comfortabley watch TV.

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Linden Arden Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:46:21pm

re: #399 jaunte

You have to watch the annual O'Reilly "War on Christmas" feature to get a real feel for it.

I'll stick with a Colbert Christmas and his classic duet with Willie Nelson where the Wise Men brought "herb" for baby Jesus.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:46:33pm

re: #417 darthstar

Critical thinking is an attack on their faith.

People who are of their faith but don't proclaim how wonderful that faith is to everyone loudly enough are an attack on their faith.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:46:42pm

re: #378 WindUpBird

and your cars rot to shit from the inside and nobody with a brain would ever buy a used car from your city :D

(I kid, i understand, i'm just happy to live somewhere without apocalyptic winters)

That's an advantage of Portland, true. But Chicagoland also salts early and heavily because of 1979. Chicago had a massive snowfall during Friday afternoon rush hour. People were snowbound for the whole weekend in many cases. Mayor Michael Balandic was defeated in the Democratic primary because of his failure to clear the snow. Even since, Chicago and its suburbs have taken no chances with snow removal.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:46:56pm

re: #415 sattv4u2

What was he storing ,, foodstuffs al a Beck !?!?!

/

Ha! I could see him ferreting buttons, car keys, candy wrappers, etc. into a drawer and stuffing them behind the Gideon Bible.

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:46:56pm

Don't worry. They'll all remember about the Establishment Clause as soon as someone wants to start teaching anything Islam in a public school.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:47:23pm

re: #413 darthstar

My wife rules...her 2000 Passat was dying (I'd pumped over 4K into it between June and August three years ago) and she picked out the Z. I tried selling it last year, but had no takers...since it's got Sirius (Grateful Dead shows every morning at 9am!) I think I'll probably keep it for a few more years. The BMW is about to go back though...think we'll get a used Chevy Tahoe for skiing.

I'd be all about the beater AWD Outback or Volvo XC70 for skiing, and save the money for more sports car craziness :D

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:47:37pm

re: #403 sattv4u2

will do

It's the LGF hosehead brigade! CPAP is da bomb once you get used to using it.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:47:51pm

re: #422 darthstar

Ha! I could see him ferreting buttons, car keys, candy wrappers, etc. into a drawer and stuffing them behind the Gideon Bible.

Car keys are valuable these days, fucking immobilizer chips

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:47:57pm

Yankees take the lead: 3-2

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:48:10pm

re: #424 WindUpBird

I'd be all about the beater AWD Outback or Volvo XC70 for skiing, and save the money for more sports car craziness :D

I have a bicycle.
:P

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:48:17pm

re: #392 engineer dog

1st amendment used by godless 2 oppress christians- o'donnell says NO MORE!

i am sitting here trying to think of how christians are being oppressed

anybody getting kicked out of the army for admitting that they are christians? people wearing crosses getting pulled out of the line in airports? atheists taking over foxholes and forbidding people to pray?

The complaint, at its core, is not that Christians are not given the same rights as others, but that they are not given more rights than others.

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engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:48:18pm

re: #417 darthstar

Critical thinking is an attack on their faith.

the really crazy part is all them wingnuts and fundies who come insist on telling me my thoughts and opinions before i open my mouth

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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:48:34pm

re: #420 jamesfirecat

People who are of their faith but don't proclaim how wonderful that faith is to everyone loudly enough are an attack on their faith.

People who are of their faith but read a different translation are an attack on their faith

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:48:37pm

Las Malvinas son nuestras!

Bwahahahahaha!

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:48:48pm

re: #426 WindUpBird

Car keys are valuable these days, fucking immobilizer chips

A co-worker went surfing with his wife and kids a few weeks ago, and had the key to his Mini Cooper in his pocket. $250 to replace.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:48:48pm

And on that note ,, the long, quiet ride home awaits!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:49:05pm

re: #421 Dark_Falcon

That's an advantage of Portland, true. But Chicagoland also salts early and heavily because of 1979. Chicago had a massive snowfall during Friday afternoon rush hour. People were snowbound for the whole weekend in many cases. Mayor Michael Balandic was defeated in the Democratic primary because of his failure to clear the snow. Even since, Chicago and its suburbs have taken no chances with snow removal.

does it in fact feel like 1979? :D

Youtube Video

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:49:25pm

re: #434 sattv4u2

And on that note ,, the long, quiet ride home awaits!

Playing Metallica will fix that.

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:49:34pm

re: #429 SanFranciscoZionist

The complaint, at its core, is not that Christians are not given the same rights as others, but that they are not given more rights than others.

This

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:49:40pm

Military recruiters told they can accept openly gay applicants

Washington (CNN) -- The Pentagon has advised recruiting commands that they can accept openly gay and lesbian recruit candidates, given the recent federal court decision that bars the military from expelling openly gay service members, according to a Pentagon spokeswoman.
The guidance from the Personnel and Readiness office was sent to recruiting commands on Friday, according to spokeswoman Cynthia Smith.

The recruiters were told that if a candidate admits he or she is openly gay, and qualify under normal recruiting guidelines, their application can be processed. Recruiters are not allowed to ask candidates if they are gay as part of the application process.

The notice also reminded recruiters that they have to "manage expectations" of applicants by informing them that a reversal of the court decision might occur, whereby the "don't ask, don't tell" policy could be reinstated, Smith said.

Later Tuesday, U.S. District Court Judge Virginia Phillips in California denied the government's request for an emergency stay of her order barring the military from enforcing its ban on gay men and lesbians serving openly. The government is now expected to go to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:49:52pm

re: #433 darthstar

A co-worker went surfing with his wife and kids a few weeks ago, and had the key to his Mini Cooper in his pocket. $250 to replace.

Mine for my VW cost $330. :(

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:50:13pm

re: #436 darthstar

Playing Metallica will fix that.

Only Master or Ride, plz

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:50:30pm

re: #439 WindUpBird

Mine for my VW cost $330. :(

Yikes!

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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:50:37pm

re: #432 Gus 802

Las Malvinas son nuestras!

Bwahahahahaha!

/

I hope they don't try that again. It might take twice as long to settle without Harriers.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:50:37pm

re: #419 Linden Arden

I'll stick with a Colbert Christmas and his classic duet with Willie Nelson where the Wise Men brought "herb" for baby Jesus.

I love that song.

"And let not mankind bogart love."

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:51:11pm

re: #438 Varek Raith

Military recruiters told they can accept openly gay applicants

It's about fuckin' time. DATD is finally coming to an end. While good intentioned, it caused more people to be kicked out of the military for being gay than before it was implemented.

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:51:17pm

re: #416 kirkspencer

Churches being burned? Massive turnouts at county commissioner meetings trying to get building permits blocked or cancelled? Pickets demanding the churches not be built?

Calls by national pundits to kick all Christians out of the country? Insistance that all Christians are terrorists? Demands that Christians not be allowed to be members of the military, or allowed to hold services or gatherings? (For the record, that last sentence is also atheists and wiccans as well as muslims.)

Yeah. Thought not.

To the fundamentalist wingnuts, their religion is the only true religion and all others (or lack of belief in one) is marginalized.

In other words, religion for me, but not for thee...unless you take the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior.

/pinheaded people on a perpetual power trip...arrrrgghhh

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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:51:46pm

It really is amazing - the sheer blatant racism that's oozing out of every pore of the GOP in this election. And not just racism -- misogyny is also a huge part of the GOP campaign this year. And Christian supremacism. And nauseating homophobia. And glorification of stupidity.

I've never seen anything like it.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:51:50pm

re: #440 WindUpBird

Only Master or Ride, plz

I like No Leaf Clover and Roam.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:51:51pm

re: #428 Varek Raith

I have a bicycle.
:P

Bicycle won't haul giant canvases or foam bird heads and tubs full of costume gear, I need wheels :D

Though nowadays, working from home, the car just sits most of the time. Which of course means I want to trade it in for something more insane that will eventually be my V8-powered tomb

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:51:54pm

re: #442 Decatur Deb

I hope they don't try that again. It might take twice as long to settle without Harriers.

Nah, they won't. Those people are long gone.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:51:59pm

re: #441 Varek Raith

Yikes!

yes :-(

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:52:23pm

re: #435 WindUpBird

does it in fact feel like 1979? :D

[Video]

No. That was a very bad year.

But Billy Corgan rocks!

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:52:30pm

re: #433 darthstar

A co-worker went surfing with his wife and kids a few weeks ago, and had the key to his Mini Cooper in his pocket. $250 to replace.

This has nothing to do with that, but a few years ago I was in a school with a dreadful little girl in the fourth grade. This was the child who, when on a cruise vacation with her parents, got mad at her father. She threw his keys, car and house, his cell phone, and his wallet with credit cards, overboard.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:53:14pm

re: #431 Decatur Deb

People who are of their faith but read a different translation are an attack on their faith

Sadly 1D4chan is down so I can't easily find a good list of what exactly is Heresy and what isn't.

I can with confidence however state that falling in love with an Eldar Farseer is double heresy!

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What, me worry? Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:53:19pm

re: #438 Varek Raith

Fabulous!

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:53:22pm

re: #429 SanFranciscoZionist

The complaint, at its core, is not that Christians are not given the same rights as others, but that they are not given more rights than others.

Wingnuts: "All men are equal...but some men are more equal than others."

/apologies to George Orwell

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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:53:47pm

re: #446 Charles

It really is amazing - the sheer blatant racism that's oozing out of every pore of the GOP in this election. And not just racism -- misogyny is also a huge part of the GOP campaign this year. And Christian supremacism. And nauseating homophobia. And glorification of stupidity.

I've never seen anything like it.

It was always there. You needed Lefty Goggles.

457

Reginald Perrin Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:54:05pm

re: #252 Dark_Falcon

DF, what you posted was the truth and you no reason to apologize. Take some advice from an old friend, don't back down when you are right.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:54:17pm

re: #447 darthstar

I like No Leaf Clover and Roam.

Black album is okay!

though for that sort of gruff Metallica-yet-hooky sound I prefer Paradise Lost:

Youtube Video

Paradise Lost in their spacey phase is basically Metallica + Depeche Mode, big shouty hetfield gruff vocals, but grooves from a darkwave band

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:54:27pm

re: #451 Dark_Falcon

No. That was a very bad year.

But Billy Corgan rocks!

on this we agree

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:54:31pm

re: #446 Charles

It really is amazing - the sheer blatant racism that's oozing out of every pore of the GOP in this election. And not just racism -- misogyny is also a huge part of the GOP campaign this year. And Christian supremacism. And glorification of stupidity.

I've never seen anything like it.

One might think wingularity was at hand, but I don't think so.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:54:41pm

What bugs me is these people think being bigoted towards Gays and Lesbians and being called out on it is a form of persecuting Christians. Allowing gays to marry isn't persecuting Christians. I don't think anyone has said that churches should be forced to marry gay couples but there is no persecution in allowing gays and lesbians to share the same marriage as heterosexual couples. Ditto serving in the military openly. The argument that alllowing open gays and lesbians to serve weakens the military is so ridiculous.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:54:42pm

re: #446 Charles

It really is amazing - the sheer blatant racism that's oozing out of every pore of the GOP in this election. And not just racism -- misogyny is also a huge part of the GOP campaign this year. And Christian supremacism. And nauseating homophobia. And glorification of stupidity.

I've never seen anything like it.

Its a veritable Hydra of horrific... can't think of another good "H" word so lets instead just say positions.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:54:43pm

re: #456 Decatur Deb

It was always there. You needed Lefty Goggles.

Lefty Goggles optional...simply stepping back out of the fold long enough to see what it looks like to an objective eye will suffice.

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:54:56pm

re: #458 WindUpBird

Black album is okay!

though for that sort of gruff Metallica-yet-hooky sound I prefer Paradise Lost:

[Video]Paradise Lost in their spacey phase is basically Metallica + Depeche Mode, big shouty hetfield gruff vocals, but grooves from a darkwave band

"But, he's in Depeche Mode!!!"

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:55:01pm

re: #441 Varek Raith

Yikes!

It's a 99 cent case with a 99 cent key attached to a 99 cent board.

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:55:36pm

re: #436 darthstar

Playing Metallica will fix that.

As I told HH last night ,, I WANT/NEED it to be quiet!

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:55:36pm

re: #457 Reginald Perrin

DF, what you posted was the truth and you no reason to apologize. Take some advice from an old friend, don't back down when you are right.

I just apologize reflexively. I've done it ever since I really came to understand how I could hurt others without even realizing I had done so.

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What, me worry? Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:55:50pm

re: #446 Charles

It really is amazing - the sheer blatant racism that's oozing out of every pore of the GOP in this election. And not just racism -- misogyny is also a huge part of the GOP campaign this year. And Christian supremacism. And nauseating homophobia. And glorification of stupidity.

I've never seen anything like it.

It makes McCarthyism look like a walk in the park.

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engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:56:01pm

re: #429 SanFranciscoZionist

The complaint, at its core, is not that Christians are not given the same rights as others, but that they are not given more rights than others.

indeed, it's clear that there are some people who believe in a form of christianity that is not compatible with the constitution

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:56:12pm

re: #456 Decatur Deb

It was always there. You needed Lefty Goggles.

The conservatives I get along most with are the grumbly IT-computer-dork Ayn Rand listen-to-nothing-but-Rush conservatives, because they're never social conservatives, they're just like EVERYTHING SHOULD BE EFFICIENT! and then they want to talk about King Crimson and their motorcycle collection

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:56:48pm

re: #467 Dark_Falcon

I just apologize reflexively. I've done it ever since I really came to understand how I could hurt others without even realizing I had done so.

I suffer from that same problem also, hurting someone without realizing it followed up by a torrent of "I'm sorry" and "Please forgive me"s....

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:56:51pm

re: #466 sattv4u2

As I told HH last night ,, I WANT/NEED it to be quiet!

sometimes all I want to hear is the turbo spooling up as I hit [redacted]mph

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:57:22pm

re: #470 WindUpBird

The conservatives I get along most with are the grumbly IT-computer-dork Ayn Rand listen-to-nothing-but-Rush conservatives, because they're never social conservatives, they're just like EVERYTHING SHOULD BE EFFICIENT! and then they want to talk about King Crimson and their motorcycle collection

Please tell me you mean "Rush" as in the band...

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:57:29pm

re: #467 Dark_Falcon

I just apologize reflexively. I've done it ever since I really came to understand how I could hurt others without even realizing I had done so.

And yet you still stick bits of flaming bamboo under their nails. :)

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SpaceJesus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:57:34pm

thank you christine for making this news story today so i can embarrass my conservative friends on facebook when they want to talk about it

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engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:57:55pm

re: #446 Charles

It really is amazing - the sheer blatant racism that's oozing out of every pore of the GOP in this election. And not just racism -- misogyny is also a huge part of the GOP campaign this year. And Christian supremacism. And nauseating homophobia. And glorification of stupidity.

I've never seen anything like it.

and what happens next?

that's what really makes me nervous...

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:58:05pm

re: #471 jamesfirecat

I suffer from that same problem also, hurting someone without realizing it followed up by a torrent of "I'm sorry" and "Please forgive me"s...

Could you two get a bed or something... geeeshhh...

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:58:19pm

re: #468 marjoriemoon

It makes McCarthyism look like a walk in the park.

I always associate McCarthyism with the power McCarthyism had to just ruin peoples lives outright in just the most effortless way, so thankfully we're not quite there yet

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jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:58:21pm

re: #469 engineer dog

indeed, it's clear that there are some people who believe in a form of christianity that is not compatible with the constitution

If the First Amendment had a sentence that read word for word "Church and State shall remain separate," they would be calling for a Constitutional Convention.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:58:59pm

re: #475 SpaceJesus

thank you christine for making this news story today so i can embarrass my conservative friends on facebook when they want to talk about it

I wont do the Facebook thing, so this whole experience of baiting annoying relatives is totally closed to me

It must be very satisfying :D

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:59:19pm

re: #477 Walter L. Newton

Could you two get a bed or something... geeeshhh...

they can use my car, back seats fold down

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:59:20pm

re: #477 Walter L. Newton

Could you two get a bed or something... geeeshhh...

Dark isn't getting into bed with me tonight, I'm still cross with him for down dinging my #34 on this thread without so much as "how do you do!"

Harrumph!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:59:43pm

re: #473 jamesfirecat

Please tell me you mean "Rush" as in the band...

yes :)

Rush! Ayn Rand! Anthem! 2112! Whole concept album!

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Digital Display Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:59:49pm

re: #472 WindUpBird

sometimes all I want to hear is the turbo spooling up as I hit [redacted]mph

You just reminded me I need to pay a speeding ticket blowing through a trap in MO. 2 weeks ago at 85mph...Crap..Maybe Jesus will forgive me

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jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:59:54pm

re: #479 jaunte

If the First Amendment had a sentence that read word for word "Church and State shall remain separate," they would be calling for a Constitutional Convention.

Oh yes, they're already doing it:
[Link: www.google.com...]

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:00:44pm

re: #484 HoosierHoops

You just reminded me I need to pay a speeding ticket blowing through a trap in MO. 2 weeks ago at 85mph...Crap..Maybe Jesus will forgive me

ahahahaha I did that when going to a con in eastern washington, not a soul on the road, road straight as a ruler in the desert, cop nailed me for going 11 over

ah well, price of doing business!

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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:00:53pm

re: #476 engineer dog

and what happens next?

that's what really makes me nervous...

This is what happens next: Koch Industries and Network of Republican Donors Plan Ahead.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:01:05pm

re: #485 jaunte

Oh yes, they're already doing it:
[Link: www.google.com...]

It's the Montana GOP that wants to criminalize homosexuality isn't it?

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:01:08pm

re: #483 WindUpBird

yes :)

Rush! Ayn Rand! Anthem! 2112! Whole concept album!

Sorry it's just there's "Rush" as in the band and "Rush" as in Rush Limbaugh... and certain conservatives are doubtlessly guilty of "only listening to" both of them for very different reasons...

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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:01:39pm

re: #479 jaunte

If the First Amendment had a sentence that read word for word "Church and State shall remain separate," they would be calling for a Constitutional Convention.

Some are (cache link):

[Link: www.google.com...]

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SpaceJesus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:01:49pm

re: #480 WindUpBird

it's hilarious actually. it's like playing with a kitten with a laser pointer, except the kitten is a person you know who votes republican and the laser pointer is logic and facts.

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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:02:31pm

re: #476 engineer dog

and what happens next?

that's what really makes me nervous...

The right wins & crows about it & makes a big mess, that the courts have to clean up.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:02:48pm

re: #489 jamesfirecat

Sorry it's just there's "Rush" as in the band and "Rush" as in Rush Limbaugh... and certain conservatives are doubtlessly guilty of "only listening to" both of them for very different reasons...

eehee

I do love Rush tho :D Just mostly Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures, the stuff that sounded huge and detailed, before they fell in love with synths

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:03:10pm

re: #491 SpaceJesus

it's hilarious actually. it's like playing with a kitten with a laser pointer, except the kitten is a person you know who votes republican and the laser pointer is logic and facts.

rad :D

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:03:18pm

Was going to mention this before. A couple of CNN news people freaked out over this. It's for an air show.

Youtube Video

United 747 Buzzes Golden Gate Bridge

Wait, looks like CNN kind of fixed things. I knew it wasn't that close. A lot of people have poor depth perception.

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jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:03:23pm

re: #488 HappyWarrior

It's the Montana GOP that wants to criminalize homosexuality isn't it?

Yes:

At a time when gays have been gaining victories across the country, the Republican Party in Montana still wants to make homosexuality illegal.
The party adopted an official platform in June that keeps a long-held position in support of making homosexual acts illegal, a policy adopted after the Montana Supreme Court struck down such laws in 1997.
[Link: www.sltrib.com...]

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:03:43pm

re: #487 Charles

This is what happens next: Koch Industries and Network of Republican Donors Plan Ahead.

Well, they know Congress isn't going to off-set Citizens United with a new law, so now it's just a matter of saving up for 2012...2010 was a dry run...a simple 100 million dollar investment in research.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:03:56pm

re: #496 jaunte

Yes:

Individual freedoms except if you're gay.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:03:58pm

re: #491 SpaceJesus

it's hilarious actually. it's like playing with a kitten with a laser pointer, except the kitten is a person you know who votes republican and the laser pointer is logic and facts.

///Have you ever tricked a kitten to run into a wall with a lazer pointer? Except they don't so much run into it as awkwardly try to climb it for a few seconds before they fall flat on the ground in a pathetic way?

Its a lot like that....

Youtube Video

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:04:03pm

re: #487 Charles

This is what happens next: Koch Industries and Network of Republican Donors Plan Ahead.

Good idea on their part. The time to start planning the next campaign is while you are waging this one. Just remember to adjust based on the election returns and post-election focus groups.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:05:16pm

re: #500 Dark_Falcon

Good idea on their part. The time to start planning the next campaign is while you are waging this one. Just remember to adjust based on the election returns and post-election focus groups.

Good for them, bad for the country.

We now truly are entering the mythical land of the eternal campaign....

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Obdicut Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:05:35pm

re: #500 Dark_Falcon

Are you comfortable with the level of access and control the Koch's have with the GOP?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:05:50pm

re: #491 SpaceJesus

My problem is I cannot let my geek life intermingle with my family life through Facebook, because that will turn into digital Chechnya, it'll be my stoner intelligencia furry crowd laying waste to my grumpy RV-driving uncle's friends on Facebook, nothing will be left but concrete fragments and discarded HTML tags

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:06:07pm

re: #502 Obdicut

Are you comfortable with the level of access and control the Koch's have with the GOP?

Koch :(

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What, me worry? Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:06:19pm

re: #478 WindUpBird

I always associate McCarthyism with the power McCarthyism had to just ruin peoples lives outright in just the most effortless way, so thankfully we're not quite there yet

To close for comfort for me. I can only hope the general populace will recognize some really scary signs.

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Reginald Perrin Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:06:27pm

re: #467 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes the truth hurts......you were right and should have stood your ground. Everyone knows about Wally and his blogging methods. I chose to ignore him and scroll down and read comments from bloggers who are less eccentric.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:07:14pm

re: #500 Dark_Falcon

Good idea on their part. The time to start planning the next campaign is while you are waging this one. Just remember to adjust based on the election returns and post-election focus groups.

I got a question

at what point would you stop voting republican?

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:07:28pm

re: #502 Obdicut

Are you comfortable with the level of access and control the Koch's have with the GOP?

The GOP loves Koch....but as long as the GOP continues to shrivel like a drying grape I'm okay with it.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:07:56pm

re: #505 marjoriemoon

To close for comfort for me. I can only hope the general populace will recognize some really scary signs.

Oh I'm nervous! But we're not there yet

I'm pissed off because we're heading that way, we're on that highway to crazytown

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:07:57pm

Here's another Sarah Palin's Alaska preview:

Youtube Video

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:08:06pm

re: #456 Decatur Deb

I don't think it was this blatant until 2008. There have always been fringe nutcases, but they were still on the fringe for the most part.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:08:17pm

re: #508 darthstar

The GOP loves Koch...but as long as the GOP continues to shrivel like a drying grape I'm okay with it.

It'll eventually just be the Koch party

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:08:32pm

re: #510 Dark_Falcon

Here's another Sarah Palin's Alaska preview:

[Video]

Best new term for Caribou Barbie....Snowball Snooki

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:09:33pm

re: #498 HappyWarrior

Individual freedoms except if you're gay.

Or Muslim/atheist/etc.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:10:00pm

re: #510 Dark_Falcon

Here's another Sarah Palin's Alaska preview:

[Video]

Won't watch...not even the previews. Having some helicopter fly her out to a glacier and videotaping her on a dogsled miles from nowhere for thirty seconds before flying her back to her compound in Wasilla doesn't intrigue me at all. She's a fake and a fraud.

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jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:10:05pm

The NYT left some words out of the Koch quotes.

Charles Koch, whose wealth Forbes magazine calculates at about $21.5 billion, argues in his letter that “MY prosperity is under attack by the current administration and many of our elected officials.” He repeatedly warns about the “internal assault” and “unrelenting attacks” on his freedom and prosperity. A brochure with the invitation underscores that to the Koch network, “freedom” means freedom from taxes and government regulation. Mr. Koch warns of policies that “threaten to erode ~~our~~MY economic freedom and transfer vast sums of MY money to the state.”
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:10:09pm

Let me point out that on #500 I was giving analysis, not commenting on the rightness of anything. I always give credit for a good strategic move, whether or not the I agree with the cause.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:10:17pm

re: #514 talon_262

Or Muslim/atheist/etc.

Yep.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:10:18pm

re: #506 Reginald Perrin

Sometimes the truth hurts...you were right and should have stood your ground. Everyone knows about Wally and his blogging methods. I chose to ignore him and scroll down and read comments from bloggers who are less eccentric.

I got this Ipod Touch last month, and I would love to develop an app... a silly thing that would just pop up on your Touch or Iphone or Ipad, randomly, and let loose with some bitching... with no purpose, no reason, no theme, nothing that makes much sense, just some ugly face (maybe Brian the Dog) and it interrupts what ever is happening on the Apple device and bitches... I want to call it the Reginald Perrin app.

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:10:22pm

I'm freaking out!

Image: 1798614.jpg

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engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:10:36pm

With a personalized letter signed by Charles Koch, the invitation to the four-day Palm Springs meeting opens with a grand call to action: “If not us, who? If not now, when?”

rabbi hillel spits on your uncompassionate, selfish soul, you momzer

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:10:36pm

re: #517 Dark_Falcon

Let me point out that on #500 I was giving analysis, not commenting on the rightness of anything. I always give credit for a good strategic move, whether or not the I agree with the cause.

Good save.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:10:57pm

re: #511 negativ

I don't think it was this blatant until 2008. There have always been fringe nutcases, but they were still on the fringe for the most part.

it's sorta like the Centre Pompidou, designed so that you could see the inner workings from the outside, all the ductwork, all the support structure all on the outside of the building.

The modern GOP is thus, all the inner workings are now far easier to see, the ductwork is now visible because of the internet, because of the ease of which we can track this stuff and share information. The fringe was always the blood, it's just now we know

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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:11:19pm

re: #511 negativ

I don't think it was this blatant until 2008. There have always been fringe nutcases, but they were still on the fringe for the most part.

The hardcases were hidden in a thicket of normal righties and timid loons. The normal righties are calling themselves Independants now, and the loons have lost their timidity.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:11:38pm

re: #517 Dark_Falcon

Let me point out that on #500 I was giving analysis, not commenting on the rightness of anything. I always give credit for a good strategic move, whether or not the I agree with the cause.

Well sure, but you never seem to give credit for strategic moves to Democrats 8-)

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:11:51pm

re: #520 Gus 802

I'm freaking out!

Image: 1798614.jpg

Nice pic...makes depth perception an important feature.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:11:58pm

re: #513 PT Barnum

Best new term for Caribou Barbie...Snowball Snooki

No. She's not crude like Snooki. Good thought, though. Please keep trying.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:12:02pm

re: #523 WindUpBird

it's sorta like the Centre Pompidou, designed so that you could see the inner workings from the outside, all the ductwork, all the support structure all on the outside of the building.

The modern GOP is thus, all the inner workings are now far easier to see, the ductwork is now visible because of the internet, because of the ease of which we can track this stuff and share information. The fringe was always the blood, it's just now we know

Been there... done that... too many times... that building is FUGLY... even on the inside.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:12:46pm

re: #527 Dark_Falcon

No. She's not crude like Snooki. Good thought, though. Please keep trying.

I don't think there's a ton of difference between Palin and Snooki...Palin's just had more coaching and 20 more years experience manipulating people to get what she wants.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:13:12pm

re: #529 darthstar

I don't think there's a ton of difference between Palin and Snooki...Palin's just had more coaching and 20 more years experience manipulating people to get what she wants.

Snooki want smush smush.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:13:24pm

re: #528 Walter L. Newton

Been there... done that... too many times... that building is FUGLY... even on the inside.

I rather liked the Pompidou from the inside >:-(

Saw a Picasso drawing exhibit there, one of the coolest things I ever did in paris

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:13:33pm

re: #530 HappyWarrior

Snooki want smush smush.

Sarah gets that from Todd's friends.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:13:59pm

re: #531 WindUpBird

I LOVED it from the outside, because it looked to me like a Technics/Expert Builder lego set, like a visible human

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:14:04pm

re: #525 WindUpBird

Well sure, but you never seem to give credit for strategic moves to Democrats 8-)

Sure I do. I've called Democratic ad campaigns well-done and properly targeted. I've given Obama credit for his drone strike on Al Qaeda and the Taliban. I'm not monotone.

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Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:14:19pm

re: #526 darthstar

Nice pic...makes depth perception an important feature.

Yeah. That was at the Barcelona Air Show.

[Link: www.airliners.net...]

He's banking hard. Otherwise everybody knows that a long lens will make everything look "stacked" or close to each other.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:14:43pm

re: #531 WindUpBird

I rather liked the Pompidou from the inside >:-(

Saw a Picasso drawing exhibit there, one of the coolest things I ever did in paris

You can see all the Picasso you want at the Picasso Museum... without having to hurt your brain in that god-awful structure... I can sympathize with the French who were a bit upset that anyone would suggest such a building in Paris.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:14:53pm

re: #534 Dark_Falcon

Sure I do. I've called Democratic ad campaigns well-done and properly targeted. I've given Obama credit for his drone strike on Al Qaeda and the Taliban. I'm not monotone.

I remember you giving credit for military moves, I don't exactly remember it on the political side ;-)

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:15:21pm

re: #537 WindUpBird

I remember you giving credit for military moves, I don't exactly remember it on the political side ;-)

War IS politics.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:15:52pm

re: #532 darthstar

Sarah gets that from Todd's friends.

What does that mean?

(I know about last week's South Park episode.)

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Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:16:14pm

re: #407 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband, a college friend of mine and I shared a hotel room at a wedding a couple weeks ago.

I woke up at three with my friend standing distraught over me, saying "SFZ, make him stop storing before I smother him with this pillow!"

Have you ever tried to...never mind.

Zedushka and I sleep in separate rooms.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:16:21pm

re: #533 WindUpBird

I LOVED it from the outside, because it looked to me like a Technics/Expert Builder lego set, like a visible human

I'll be in Paris in Jan 2011... and I already promised my girlfriend we will not waste a moment of our museum passes on that place.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:16:31pm

re: #536 Walter L. Newton

You can see all the Picasso you want at the Picasso Museum... without having to hurt your brain in that god-awful structure... I can sympathize with the French who were a bit upset that anyone would suggest such a building in Paris.

it's a modern art museum! It should look modern! it should have some connection to the nature of the work being shown there, it shouldn't look like the Louvre :P

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HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:16:41pm

re: #539 Dark_Falcon

What does that mean?

(I know about last week's South Park episode.)

Shrug, you got my South Park reference I see. Loved how they portrayed Snooki there.

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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:17:05pm

re: #487 Charles

This is what happens next: Koch Industries and Network of Republican Donors Plan Ahead.

And, just for fun, some replies to the Koch article from a "conservative" website...

Not very secretive if a New York Times twit knows when and where they are meeting.

The secretive network are not just Republicans. they are capitalists, business people who view the Marxist in chief Obama as a danger to the free enterprise system. The New York Slimes once again proves itself to be an extension of the Obama propaganda machine.

Hey NY Slimes, how is this for a headline we will never see: Secretive and Insane George Soros, owns Democrat Party Lock, Stock and Barrel.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:17:33pm

re: #542 WindUpBird

it's a modern art museum! It should look modern! it should have some connection to the nature of the work being shown there, it shouldn't look like the Louvre :P

I'm well aware of what it is... it's still butt ugly in my opinion.

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[deleted] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:18:10pm

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:18:48pm

re: #520 Gus 802

I'm freaking out!

Image: 1798614.jpg

I'm Freaking out!

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:19:01pm

re: #542 WindUpBird

it's a modern art museum! It should look modern! it should have some connection to the nature of the work being shown there, it shouldn't look like the Louvre :P

"Modern" shouldn't need to mean "ugly".

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:19:14pm

re: #538 Walter L. Newton

War IS politics.

I see a lot more Pelosi Rage™ and Boxer Rage™ than I do rage about Democratic military decisions regarding attacking muslim countries, let's just put that out there

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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:19:17pm

re: #533 WindUpBird

I LOVED it from the outside, because it looked to me like a Technics/Expert Builder lego set, like a visible human

In an architecture class it was described as part of the Bowel Movement.

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[deleted] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:19:21pm

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:19:33pm

re: #525 WindUpBird

Well sure, but you never seem to give credit for strategic moves to Democrats 8-)

That's because the democrats have yet to make any smart strategic moves.

(Half sarc)

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:19:38pm

re: #540 Alouette

Zedushka and I sleep in separate rooms.

My wife snores, and I just rock her gently so she'll stop, then eentually fall asleep. Sometimes I snore, and she'll wake me if I'm really loud to tell me...then I'll stay awake until she's sleeping soundly before going back to sleep myself.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:19:52pm

re: #550 Decatur Deb

In an architecture class it was described as part of the Bowel Movement.

Thanks for that one... I think I can use than in Jan.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:20:13pm

re: #553 darthstar

My wife snores, and I just rock her gently so she'll stop, then eentually fall asleep. Sometimes I snore, and she'll wake me if I'm really loud to tell me...then I'll stay awake until she's sleeping soundly before going back to sleep myself.

I just sit on their face.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:20:32pm

re: #555 Walter L. Newton

I just sit on their face.

Kinky.

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jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:20:54pm

Robert de Posada is on MSNBC explaining himself.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:21:10pm

re: #556 darthstar

Kinky.

I knew you'd get it.

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Reginald Perrin Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:22:00pm

re: #519 Walter L. Newton

Grow up Walter.

You have made it abundantly clear you don't like me, why do you want to start a flame war? You picked the wrong guy, Wally, I am going to resume ignoring you and continue to scroll past all your comments, unless they have been downdinged.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:22:05pm

re: #558 Walter L. Newton

I knew you'd get it.

Yes, I just don't want to visualize you doing it.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:22:08pm

re: #545 Walter L. Newton

I'm well aware of what it is... it's still butt ugly in my opinion.

We're just going to have to disagree on that, I'll just say that "ugly" is sort of immaterial to the intent of the building.

it's like saying that if you take a BMW M3's straight six out of the engine compartment that it becomes "ugly"

Of course it's not ugly, tit's the beautiful, amazing and functional thing that makes 330hp that makes that car awesome and powerful, and now you get to see it, but it is an engine, it's Its Own Thing For Its Own Purpose.

so it is with the Pompidou, it's art, it's making you see these things about a modern building you took for granted

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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:22:11pm

re: #557 jaunte

Robert de Posada is on MSNBC explaining himself.

Well, not really. He's spinning like crazy to try to legitimize his sickening anti-American ad.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:22:53pm

re: #559 Reginald Perrin

Grow up Walter.

You have made it abundantly clear you don't like me, why do you want to start a flame war? You picked the wrong guy, Wally, I am going to resume ignoring you and continue to scroll past all your comments, unless they have been downdinged.

Mission accomplished... like pulling teeth sometimes.

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jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:22:58pm

re: #562 Charles

I don't think it's working out very well.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:23:19pm

re: #552 jamesfirecat

That's because the democrats have yet to make any smart strategic moves.

(Half sarc)

hahaha I'm with you there!

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:24:10pm

re: #561 WindUpBird

We're just going to have to disagree on that, I'll just say that "ugly" is sort of immaterial to the intent of the building.

it's like saying that if you take a BMW M3's straight six out of the engine compartment that it becomes "ugly"

Of course it's not ugly, tit's the beautiful, amazing and functional thing that makes 330hp that makes that car awesome and powerful, and now you get to see it, but it is an engine, it's Its Own Thing For Its Own Purpose.

so it is with the Pompidou, it's art, it's making you see these things about a modern building you took for granted

We will have to disagree... and you picked the worst analogy in which to try to explain yourself... I don't know squat about cars or motor vehicles... can't relate... my car moves... something about turning the key... that's all I know.

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:24:27pm

re: #543 HappyWarrior

Shrug, you got my South Park reference I see. Loved how they portrayed Snooki there.

I had been very successfully not thinking about "Snooki" (HURTS BRAIN TO TYPE THAT) until that damned South Park episode. I lost The Game.

Makes me pine for the Golden Era of coked up vulva-flashing celebrity attention whores.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:24:43pm

re: #529 darthstar

I don't think there's a ton of difference between Palin and Snooki...Palin's just had more coaching and 20 more years experience manipulating people to get what she wants.

Snooki, to my casual observation, seems to like being a celebrity, but she doesn't seem to need to be better than anyone else to enjoy it.

569

NJDhockeyfan Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:24:44pm

Evening lizards!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:24:55pm

re: #550 Decatur Deb

In an architecture class it was described as part of the Bowel Movement.

I'm the guy who wants a muscle car with the body panels ripped off, no sleek shiny anything, just nothing but wheels and engine and chassis and rollcage and evil :D

So i know my aesthetics may be unusual in this regard!

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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:25:01pm

re: #555 Walter L. Newton

I just sit on their face.

Youtube Video

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:25:21pm

re: #540 Alouette

Zedushka and I sleep in separate rooms.

Please note, I WOKE UP at that point. His snoring doesn't bother me.

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darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:25:22pm

re: #568 SanFranciscoZionist

Snooki, to my casual observation, seems to like being a celebrity, but she doesn't seem to need to be better than anyone else to enjoy it.

Good point...so she's got that on Sarah.

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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:26:00pm

re: #570 WindUpBird

I'm the guy who wants a muscle car with the body panels ripped off, no sleek shiny anything, just nothing but wheels and engine and chassis and rollcage and evil :D

So i know my aesthetics may be unusual in this regard!

You like Loti. The skin is part of the function.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:26:11pm

re: #546 darthstar

I don't watch South Park, so I don't know what that's referencing, but I'm clearly insinuating that Sarah sleeps around, but never too far from home. I know, you don't care for that kind of talk, but I honestly think she'd bang Levi again if she thought she'd get away with it.

I think that's nonsense. Really, honestly do.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:27:02pm

re: #546 darthstar

I don't watch South Park, so I don't know what that's referencing, but I'm clearly insinuating that Sarah sleeps around, but never too far from home. I know, you don't care for that kind of talk, but I honestly think she'd bang Levi again if she thought she'd get away with it.

That's low. I don't agree at all. That's the kind of attack that makes people want to defend Palin. Say that she's wrong on the issues, question her dedication. But don't make cheap tawdry attacks like that. Those are beneath you, Darth.

577

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:27:24pm

re: #566 Walter L. Newton

We will have to disagree... and you picked the worst analogy in which to try to explain yourself... I don't know squat about cars or motor vehicles... can't relate... my car moves... something about turning the key... that's all I know.

is this beautiful to you, y/n

Image: S50_B32_Engine.jpg

if you find this to be a cool thing and you're interested in it as a piece ofengineering-as-art-form and human endeavor, that's basically all the Pompidou is, that on a larger scale

( i think this is the engine from the clownshoe M coupe, not positive)

578

darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:27:39pm

re: #575 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that's nonsense. Really, honestly do.

I'm just judging her through my own biased filter. I think she's trash through and through. I grew up knowing people like her...I know them well.

579

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:28:18pm

re: #575 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that's nonsense. Really, honestly do.

speculating about Sarah Palin's habits in that way is so far beyond my pay grade I can't even see it for the curvature of the earth :D

580

Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:28:45pm

re: #575 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that's nonsense. Really, honestly do.

Agreed...I've not seen anything reputable outside of the tabloids that has even insinuated that Sarah and Levi hooked up. Without evidence, it's kinda shitty to float that out there.

581

Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:28:49pm

re: #572 SanFranciscoZionist

Please note, I WOKE UP at that point. His snoring doesn't bother me.

I do not understand how people can not hear themselves snore.

582

Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:29:01pm

re: #577 WindUpBird

is this beautiful to you, y/n

Image: S50_B32_Engine.jpg

if you find this to be a cool thing and you're interested in it as a piece ofengineering-as-art-form and human endeavor, that's basically all the Pompidou is, that on a larger scale

( i think this is the engine from the clownshoe M coupe, not positive)

No.

583

darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:29:11pm

re: #576 Dark_Falcon

That's low. I don't agree at all. That's the kind of attack that makes people want to defend Palin. Say that she's wrong on the issues, question her dedication. But don't make cheap tawdry attacks like that. Those are beneath you, Darth.

yep. I concur. I just wish she'd go away.

584

Big Steve Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:29:17pm

So I guess Jon Stewart who has made a living making fun of racism in others, has a little race problem of his own......Who's On late Night TV

585

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:29:38pm

re: #574 Decatur Deb

You like Loti. The skin is part of the function.

Exactly! My dream car is an Elise, it's true :D

(actually, it's a metallic blue Exige S with white stripes, but that's too much coin, an Elise is actually within striking distance)

586

Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:29:57pm

re: #575 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that's nonsense. Really, honestly do.

re: #580 talon_262

Agreed...I've not seen anything reputable outside of the tabloids that has even insinuated that Sarah and Levi hooked up. Without evidence, it's kinda shitty to float that out there.

Quite Concur.

587

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:30:20pm

re: #550 Decatur Deb

In an architecture class it was described as part of the Bowel Movement.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I agree that "Modern Art" should be shown in a modern building.
The term "modern" needs to be retired, though. It's over 50 at this point.
Current, works better for me.

588

NJDhockeyfan Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:30:37pm

re: #578 darthstar

I'm just judging her through my own biased filter. I think she's trash through and through. I grew up knowing people like her...I know them well.

How many of them sleep with their daughter's husband?

589

Linden Arden Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:31:03pm

re: #580 talon_262

Agreed...I've not seen anything reputable outside of the tabloids that has even insinuated that Sarah and Levi hooked up. Without evidence, it's kinda shitty to float that out there.

I think Levi hooked her up with a few Burrito Supremes from the Wasilla Taco Bell.

(Vanity Fair article)

590

darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:31:37pm

re: #584 Big Steve

So I guess Jon Stewart who has made a living making fun of racism in others, has a little race problem of his own...Who's On late Night TV

The data for this graphic was gathered over 6 weeks in August and September of 2010.

A six week sampling? The data for the history of the show is out there...why not use all of it?

591

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:31:49pm

re: #584 Big Steve

So I guess Jon Stewart who has made a living making fun of racism in others, has a little race problem of his own...Who's On late Night TV

So what Jon Stewart is a racist because he hasn't had the perfect number of Black guests on?

I thought you conservatives were against Affirmative Action!

592

darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:32:36pm

re: #588 NJDhockeyfan

How many of them sleep with their daughter's husband?

My ex wife's grandmother married her daughter's (my ex wife's mother's) first husband. Shit happens.

593

Big Steve Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:32:41pm

re: #590 darthstar

The data for this graphic was gathered over 6 weeks in August and September of 2010.

A six week sampling? The data for the history of the show is out there...why not use all of it?

probably for the same reason polls don't call everyone in the country each time.....its just a sampling.

594

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:33:17pm

re: #592 darthstar

My ex wife's grandmother married her daughter's (my ex wife's mother's) first husband. Shit happens.

Youtube Video

595

Linden Arden Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:33:22pm

Rangers 3-run HR now 5-3.

596

darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:33:23pm

Benji Molina strikes again...3 run Homer.

597

webevintage Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:33:54pm

re: #584 Big Steve

So I guess Jon Stewart who has made a living making fun of racism in others, has a little race problem of his own...Who's On late Night TV

Comedy Central Video

I can't wait for the bit in response to the new OMG!

598

Big Steve Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:34:33pm

re: #591 jamesfirecat

you conservatives

wtf

599

jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:34:35pm

Daily Show Guests:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

600

Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:34:39pm

re: #587 Floral Giraffe

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I agree that "Modern Art" should be shown in a modern building.
The term "modern" needs to be retired, though. It's over 50 at this point.
Current, works better for me.

For me, and for that kind of art/architecture, they have forced a new term: "Midcentury".

601

NJDhockeyfan Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:35:01pm

re: #592 darthstar

My ex wife's grandmother married her daughter's (my ex wife's mother's) first husband. Shit happens.

So based on that Sarah Palin is screwing Levi. Gotcha.

602

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:35:09pm

re: #578 darthstar

I'm just judging her through my own biased filter. I think she's trash through and through. I grew up knowing people like her...I know them well.

My problem isn't that she's trashy (I don't care, I routinely hang out in bars trashier and more dangerous than she ever did, I'll guarantee you that, places my chef and food service friends take me to) it's that she energizes rank bigots and gives them the power to make the lives of reasonable people shittier because they aren't part of the White So-Con Christian Tribe

...which really puts her hand in hand with factions of the GOP that aren't trashy at all, that are very aristocratic.

She's basically a aw-shucks cool-glasses well-dressed soccer mom sheen on the old-timey GOP post-Johnson southern strategy paranoid tribal shit.

603

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:35:41pm

re: #596 darthstar

Benji Molina strikes again...3 run Homer.

Haha second time they've intentionally walked a guy to get to him and the second time he's come through. Take that Yankees.

604

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:35:47pm

re: #592 darthstar

My ex wife's grandmother married her daughter's (my ex wife's mother's) first husband. Shit happens.

whooooa nelly! o_o

605

darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:36:22pm

re: #601 NJDhockeyfan

So based on that Sarah Palin is screwing Levi. Gotcha.

Dark already called me out, as did SFZ. I agreed it was out of line. Let it go already.

606

Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:36:26pm

re: #593 Big Steve

probably for the same reason polls don't call everyone in the country each time...its just a sampling.

That is a prime example of what makes conservatives look brainless... this poll doesn't reflect jack-shit about Stewart in the least... it's about A SHOW... not about the kind of people Stewart cares to hang out with.

Thanks for topping off this tread about another brainless conservative with a cherry.

607

Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:36:38pm

re: #585 WindUpBird

Exactly! My dream car is an Elise, it's true :D

(actually, it's a metallic blue Exige S with white stripes, but that's too much coin, an Elise is actually within striking distance)

Always loved the Europa, though it's poor visibility made it sort of suicidal.

608

darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:36:45pm

re: #604 WindUpBird

whoooa nelly! o_o

Emphasis on the "ex" part. :)

609

Linden Arden Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:36:51pm

I suspect Nailin' Palin was pure porn fiction.

610

Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:37:25pm

re: #605 darthstar

Dark already called me out, as did SFZ. I agreed it was out of line. Let it go already.

Wait... wait... I didn't get a shot in... do I still have time?
/

611

prairiefire Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:37:33pm

I would like a Lotus.

612

Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:37:40pm

re: #584 Big Steve

So I guess Jon Stewart who has made a living making fun of racism in others, has a little race problem of his own...Who's On late Night TV

What nonsense. Quote:

The Daily Show only has 1 guest per show, so the data set for that program is very small. It may well have looked a bit more diverse in another 6-week period.

This is a meaningless statistic, an excellent example of how you can mislead people with numbers.

613

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:37:45pm

re: #598 Big Steve

wtf

I'm sorry do you consider yourself a liberal a liberterian, and independent?

The point still stands that you're in effect arguing for Affirmative Action in television interview scheduling or else you "have a little race problem" by default.

614

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:38:18pm

re: #600 Decatur Deb

For me, and for that kind of art/architecture, they have forced a new term: "Midcentury".

Mid-Mod is in use around here.
Some of it, is just gorgeous.
Charles & Ray Eames were in Venice, not too far from here.

615

darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:38:36pm

re: #609 Linden Arden

I suspect Nailin' Palin was pure porn fiction.

Maybe. She did have an affair with one of Todd's business partners...according to said partner's wife in their divorce. It is no longer talked about, however, and the divorce papers have been sealed.

616

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:38:47pm

re: #606 Walter L. Newton

That is a prime example of what makes conservatives look brainless... this poll doesn't reflect jack-shit about Stewart in the least... it's about A SHOW... not about the kind of people Stewart cares to hang out with.

Thanks for topping off this tread about another brainless conservative with a cherry.

F***ing well said Walter.

617

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:39:09pm

re: #587 Floral Giraffe

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I agree that "Modern Art" should be shown in a modern building.
The term "modern" needs to be retired, though. It's over 50 at this point.
Current, works better for me.

Modern is a realm of art, as s post-modern

It's not going to be retired any more that the term "iron age" will be retired, it's a word that has come to mean a specific thing in the timeline of art, it's a thing that has happened

sorta like how "classic rock" means a specific thing, ya know and not just "rock music older than 20 years" because that would mean that Skinyard and the Melvins are classic rock, but nobody would refer to the Melvins in the same way they refer to Edgar Winter Group. Language sticks to stuff :D

618

Stanghazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:39:27pm

re: #578 darthstar

I'm just judging her through my own biased filter. I think she's trash through and through. I grew up knowing people like her...I know them well.

re: #579 WindUpBird

speculating about Sarah Palin's habits in that way is so far beyond my pay grade I can't even see it for the curvature of the earth :D

re: #580 talon_262

Agreed...I've not seen anything reputable outside of the tabloids that has even insinuated that Sarah and Levi hooked up. Without evidence, it's kinda shitty to float that out there.

I step away and miss THIS.

Ha!

619

NJDhockeyfan Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:39:29pm

re: #605 darthstar

Dark already called me out, as did SFZ. I agreed it was out of line. Let it go already.

Thank you.

620

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:40:08pm

re: #614 Floral Giraffe

Mid-Mod is in use around here.
Some of it, is just gorgeous.
Charles & Ray Eames were in Venice, not too far from here.

One of my favorite architecture movements, GOOGIE ARCHITECTURE

621

Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:40:53pm

re: #615 darthstar

Maybe. She did have an affair with one of Todd's business partners...according to said partner's wife in their divorce. It is no longer talked about, however, and the divorce papers have been sealed.

And bitter spouse's seeking a divorce have been known to lie. Don't traffic in rumors like that. You make yourself look bad and you make Sarah Palin into a victim.

622

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:41:02pm

re: #618 Stanley Sea

re: #579 WindUpBird

re: #580 talon_262

I step away and miss THIS.

Ha!

Life moves pretty fast!

Youtube Video

If you don't stop and look around once in a while...

623

Daniel Ballard Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:41:15pm

re: #584 Big Steve

So I guess Jon Stewart who has made a living making fun of racism in others, has a little race problem of his own...Who's On late Night TV

Just to spoof this I'd love to see Colbert on in blackface.

624

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:41:28pm

re: #620 WindUpBird

One of my favorite architecture movements, GOOGIE ARCHITECTURE

Googie is the BEST!
Being torn down all over the place (LA) however.

625

Daniel Ballard Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:42:20pm

re: #624 Floral Giraffe

Yes! Car washes, diners...

626

krypto Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:42:24pm

Is it just coincidence, with such scary tea party candidates, one of them a former amateur witch no less, that election day is so close to Halloween this year?

627

engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:42:28pm

re: #553 darthstar

My wife snores, and I just rock her gently so she'll stop, then eentually fall asleep. Sometimes I snore, and she'll wake me if I'm really loud to tell me...then I'll stay awake until she's sleeping soundly before going back to sleep myself.

i have some really effective earplugs

my wife, for her part, can only be woken up by earthquakes and food riots, so my snoring doesn't trouble her

628

Stanghazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:42:47pm

re: #622 WindUpBird

Hey, tell Windy to get his computer fixed.

629

Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:42:56pm

re: #614 Floral Giraffe

Mid-Mod is in use around here.
Some of it, is just gorgeous.
Charles & Ray Eames were in Venice, not too far from here.

I've got an early quality knock-off of the Eames lounger, just restored it a bit.

For Museums, I've loved the NYC Guggenheim, at least before the addition that was planned to turn it into a commode. Don't care for the other Guggenheim, in the other Venice.

630

Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:43:02pm

"Underneath this hazelin mote,
There's a braggoty worm with a speckled throat,
Nine double is he,
Now from eight double to seven double
And from seven double to six double
and so on until:
And from one double to no double,
No double hath he"

631

darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:43:06pm

re: #621 Dark_Falcon

And bitter spouse's seeking a divorce have been known to lie. Don't traffic in rumors like that. You make yourself look bad and you make Sarah Palin into a victim.

She's a professional victim. She blames Katie Couric for asking 'gotcha' questions like, "WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU READ, YOU FUCKING IDIOT?"

632

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:43:16pm

re: #621 Dark_Falcon

And bitter spouse's seeking a divorce have been known to lie. Don't traffic in rumors like that. You make yourself look bad and you make Sarah Palin into a victim.

We're on a blog. Full of people who use complete sentences. Sarah Palin fans don't come here much ;-)

633

prairiefire Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:43:32pm

re: #624 Floral Giraffe

Googie is the BEST!
Being torn down all over the place (LA) however.

Jeff Lewis on "Flipping Out" calls it "warm modern." Lots of pear green, mahogany, silver metal light fixtures, and greys. I am so over it I am back at my taupe and oak woods.

634

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:44:05pm

re: #625 Rightwingconspirator

Yes! Car washes, diners...

Have you seen the Coca Cola Bottling plant?
Streamline Moderne, Baby!
[Link: www.you-are-here.com...]

635

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:45:08pm

re: #624 Floral Giraffe

Googie is the BEST!
Being torn down all over the place (LA) however.

I sorta want to see architecture that's a cross between googie and acid-drenched 70's rock poster aesthetic, I'd live in that house

Googie, but instead of the pale blue and 50's pastels, just evil psychedelic colors and op art stripes and more pointy and vicious

636

Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:45:38pm

re: #615 darthstar

Maybe. She did have an affair with one of Todd's business partners...according to said partner's wife in their divorce. It is no longer talked about, however, and the divorce papers have been sealed.

It ain't none of my business.
;)

637

prairiefire Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:46:33pm

Kansas City has the old TWA corporate office building: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

638

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:46:39pm

re: #633 prairiefire

Jeff Lewis on "Flipping Out" calls it "warm modern." Lots of pear green, mahogany, silver metal light fixtures, and greys. I am so over it I am back at my taupe and oak woods.

I like wood, i can also do the wood panelling and cozy stuff, definitely

What I don't want is anything that looks too clean and full of right angles :D it's gotta have an out of control geometric aggressiveness to it, even if that means log cabin with askew beams

639

jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:46:40pm

re: #634 Floral Giraffe

Have you seen the Coca Cola Bottling plant?
Streamline Moderne, Baby!
[Link: www.you-are-here.com...]

Very cool.

640

engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:46:45pm

re: #587 Floral Giraffe

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I agree that "Modern Art" should be shown in a modern building.
The term "modern" needs to be retired, though. It's over 50 at this point.
Current, works better for me.

when i was in college in the 70s, 'modern poetry' covered 1910 - 1945. the next course was called 'contemporary poetry'. now, of course, it's 'post modern'

not sure what comes after that...

641

Amory Blaine Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:46:52pm

I wish we, as a society took marriage more seriously.

642

Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:47:41pm

re: #640 engineer dog

when i was in college in the 70s, 'modern poetry' covered 1910 - 1945. the next course was called 'contemporary poetry'. now, of course, it's 'post modern'

not sure what comes after that...

Neo Post Modern.
Post Post Modern.
:shrugs:

643

jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:47:42pm

re: #630 Killgore Trout

"Underneath this hazelin mote,
There's a braggoty worm with a speckled throat,
Nine double is he,
Now from eight double to seven double
And from seven double to six double
and so on until:
And from one double to no double,
No double hath he"

I hope that works; O'Donnell seems to have strange powers.

644

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:48:04pm

re: #626 krypto

Is it just coincidence, with such scary tea party candidates, one of them a former amateur witch no less, that election day is so close to Halloween this year?

Election day is Nov. 2. Halloween is Oct. 31.
The dates never change.
What are you trying to imply?

645

Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:48:19pm

re: #640 engineer dog

when i was in college in the 70s, 'modern poetry' covered 1910 - 1945. the next course was called 'contemporary poetry'. now, of course, it's 'post modern'

not sure what comes after that...

Take the long view. It's all Holocene.

646

darthstar Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:48:22pm

Okay, wife's home from beating the Phillies...bbl.

647

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:48:56pm

re: #642 Varek Raith

Neo Post Modern.
Post Post Modern.
:shrugs:

I just know I like Rob Zombie's place [Link: vids.myspace.com...]

648

Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:49:22pm

re: #644 Floral Giraffe

Election day is Nov. 2. Halloween is Oct. 31.
The dates never change.
What are you trying to imply?

WHY IS ELECTION DAY ON MY BIRTHDAY?!?!
I DEMAND ELECTION DAY BE MOVED!

649

webevintage Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:49:48pm

re: #633 prairiefire

Jeff Lewis on "Flipping Out" calls it "warm modern." Lots of pear green, mahogany, silver metal light fixtures, and greys. I am so over it I am back at my taupe and oak woods.

I like this blog:
[Link: www.nopatternrequired.com...]
Periodically they will show "retro" houses for sale.

650

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:50:13pm

re: #642 Varek Raith

Neo Post Modern.
Post Post Modern.
:shrugs:

Ultra Super duper maxi modern.

651

NJDhockeyfan Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:50:18pm

re: #615 darthstar

Maybe. She did have an affair with one of Todd's business partners...according to said partner's wife in their divorce. It is no longer talked about, however, and the divorce papers have been sealed.

So there is no evidence you can link to for this accusation. Aside from that, who gives a shit who she banged years ago? President Bill Clinton's life has been filled with cheating on his wife and nobody cares.

652

Amory Blaine Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:50:29pm

re: #641 Amory Blaine

I wish we, as a society took marriage more seriously.

My wife made me go to this wedding out of state this summer. It was a real pain in the ass to work my schedule out to fit this in. He's some 2nd cousin on my wifes side. She loves family and what not so I do what I can. I've never met him before but when I met him I really wanted to tell him that if he ever gets divorced I'm gonna kick his ass.

I'm sick and tired going to these weddings that never work out!!!!!

653

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:50:36pm

re: #648 Varek Raith

WHY IS ELECTION DAY ON MY BIRTHDAY?!?!
I DEMAND ELECTION DAY BE MOVED!

On election day, I'll be at the Gorillaz concert in Seattle :D

HAVE FUN ON THE INTERNET, GUYS

654

prairiefire Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:50:42pm

re: #649 webevintage

Very cool, bookmarked.

655

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:50:46pm

re: #635 WindUpBird

I sorta want to see architecture that's a cross between googie and acid-drenched 70's rock poster aesthetic, I'd live in that house

Googie, but instead of the pale blue and 50's pastels, just evil psychedelic colors and op art stripes and more pointy and vicious

Have you seen the Watts Towers?
I think they are your style...
Do, read about Simon Rodia.
These are truly unique (and undervalued & neglected, but that's another story!)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

656

Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:50:57pm

re: #651 NJDhockeyfan

So there is no evidence you can link to for this accusation. Aside from that, who gives a shit who she banged years ago? President Bill Clinton's life has been filled with cheating on his wife and nobody cares.

Lol, except the entire gop...

657

Daniel Ballard Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:51:39pm

re: #635 WindUpBird

Throwback to a classic Iron Age Angels Flight, unusual perspective.

And the Biltmore Hotel

658

Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:51:44pm

re: #637 prairiefire

Kansas City has the old TWA corporate office building: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

NYC has another TWA--Saarinen's:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

659

Stanghazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:52:30pm

re: #648 Varek Raith

WHY IS ELECTION DAY ON MY BIRTHDAY?!?!
I DEMAND ELECTION DAY BE MOVED!

Are you 11/2? I'm 11/3. Celebration? I hope.

660

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:52:47pm

re: #646 darthstar

Okay, wife's home from beating the Phillies...bbl.

re: #651 NJDhockeyfan

So there is no evidence you can link to for this accusation. Aside from that, who gives a shit who she banged years ago? President Bill Clinton's life has been filled with cheating on his wife and nobody cares.

Uh no one cared about Clinton's cheating on his wife? Then why the hell did the Congressional GOP try to impeach him for lying about an extramatrial affair I don't care if Palin had an affair or not really but to suggest no one cares that Clinton had affairs is ridiculous.

661

Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:53:20pm

re: #632 WindUpBird

We're on a blog. Full of people who use complete sentences. Sarah Palin fans don't come here much ;-)

The issue is not hard-core Palin fans. The issue is people who are fair minded but conservative (yes, they are quite a few such people, even if they aren't too visible right now). Such people see a cheap and tawdry attack or Sarah Palin and might start to think "Maybe Sarah has a point. After all, I've just seen the ugly attacks that get made at her."

Note: I know Palin is just BSing. But others may not know.

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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:53:40pm

re: #656 Varek Raith

Lol, except the entire gop...

He spent 8 years in the WH. Apparently America didn't care too much about it.

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prairiefire Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:53:47pm

re: #658 Decatur Deb

ooohhh.

664

engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:54:08pm

re: #645 Decatur Deb

Take the long view. It's all Holocene.

suits me, since i have been feeling pretty paleolithic lately...

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:54:20pm

re: #659 Stanley Sea

Are you 11/2? I'm 11/3. Celebration? I hope.

Yep, 11/2.
As for a celebration, dunno.
I'm not the party type.
Maybe blow up some Ewoks or something.
;)

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Stanghazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:55:00pm

re: #665 Varek Raith

Yep, 11/2.
As for a celebration, dunno.
I'm not the party type.
Maybe blow up some Ewoks or something.
;)

You are my brotha

667

Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:55:24pm

re: #651 NJDhockeyfan

So there is no evidence you can link to for this accusation. Aside from that, who gives a shit who she banged years ago? President Bill Clinton's life has been filled with cheating on his wife and nobody cares.

Nobody cares?

Did I imagine that impeachment thing?

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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:55:28pm

re: #660 HappyWarrior

re: #651 NJDhockeyfan

Uh no one cared about Clinton's cheating on his wife? Then why the hell did the Congressional GOP try to impeach him for lying about an extramatrial affair I don't care if Palin had an affair or not really but to suggest no one cares that Clinton had affairs is ridiculous.

Lying under oath is against the law. What you lie about doesn't matter.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:55:34pm

re: #651 NJDhockeyfan

So there is no evidence you can link to for this accusation. Aside from that, who gives a shit who she banged years ago? President Bill Clinton's life has been filled with cheating on his wife and nobody cares.

Nobody cares except for the entire Republican party who tried to remove him from office because oh look someone in the oval office tasted his junk and gosh it appears as if they failed and Newt Gringrich was a laughing stock and was run out of town himself as a disgraced doughy sanctimonious pile of sewage but man the Republicans sure did accomplish a lot by doing that!

and oh wait!

Who's that?

hark!

it's Newt!

he's back! Like mcRib! and the GOP is totally comfortable with him!

Maybe if he was kicked out of your party for his shit the way he'd be kicked out of the Democratic party if he tried his shit, maybe your party would, maybe work better?

670

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:56:21pm

re: #655 Floral Giraffe

I googled Simon Rodia, just from google images I'm already in love :D :D

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:56:59pm

re: #667 Charles

Nobody cares?

Did I imagine that impeachment thing?

///But the impechement was for lying to congress under oath!

(Non sarc) Of course this brings up the issue of why was he being asked about his sex life under oath in the first place....

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:57:20pm

re: #668 NJDhockeyfan

Lying under oath is against the law. What you lie about doesn't matter.

If they didn't care about his sex life why was he being asked about it under oath?

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webevintage Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:57:42pm

How many times have we seen a TeaGOP Party type full of their family values turn out to be not so full of family values?

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bratwurst Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:57:44pm

re: #669 WindUpBird

Who's that?

hark!

it's Newt!

he's back! Like mcRib!

They SAY it is for a limited time...but I have my doubts.

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:57:50pm

re: #670 WindUpBird

I googled Simon Rodia, just from google images I'm already in love :D :D

Hmmm, I'll have to go back in time and have him design a Fortress of Doom for me...

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:58:17pm

My favorite comment I've ever ever heard about a guy who's just flamingly, totally, massively, rainbow flag made out of sequins gay:

"yes, I believe that gentleman has sampled a penis."

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jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:58:32pm

re: #669 WindUpBird

he's back! Like mcRib!

Lol.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:58:43pm

re: #668 NJDhockeyfan

Lying under oath is against the law. What you lie about doesn't matter.

You still believe the protesters lost us Vietnam, don't you?

679

Stanghazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:59:08pm

re: #671 jamesfirecat

///But the impechement was for lying to congress under oath!

(Non sarc) Of course this brings up the issue of why was he being asked about his sex life under oath in the first place...

EXACTLY.

And now I conjure up Tradewind for a Paula Jones statement.

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:59:29pm

re: #678 WindUpBird

You still believe the protesters lost us Vietnam, don't you?

McNamara was a son of a bitch.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:59:31pm

re: #678 WindUpBird

You still believe the protesters lost us Vietnam, don't you?

Dude Wind you're better than that, stick to picking apart one faulty argument at a time rather than assuming your opponent holds several.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:59:36pm

re: #675 Varek Raith

Hmmm, I'll have to go back in time and have him design a Fortress of Doom for me...

Dr No has this guy on contract

683

jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:00:09pm

re: #669 WindUpBird

This is the first time I've considered Newt as a boneless, formed meat product, but you may have hit on something.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:00:27pm

I seriously doubt the founders wrote the impeachment statue for politicans and their sex life. The Clinton Impeachment proceedings were a joke. I am not excusing Clinton having an affair but it wasn't Congress or our business. It was between two consenting adults.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:00:30pm

re: #679 Stanley Sea

EXACTLY.

And now I conjure up Tradewind for a Paula Jones statement.

FROM THE ETHER

Let's conduct a seance

TRADEWIND

COME FORTH

WE HAVE A OUIJA BOARD MADE FROM THE TIMBERS OF RONALD REAGAN'S RETREAT IN SANTA BARBARA

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Linden Arden Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:00:36pm

re: #670 WindUpBird

I googled Simon Rodia, just from google images I'm already in love :D :D

I was about seven years old when I saw the Watts Towers on a PBS special on science/humanity called The Ascent of Man.

Its still the best program ever on us naked apes.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:00:50pm

re: #683 jaunte

This is the first time I've considered Newt as a boneless, formed meat product, but you may have hit on something.

Karl Rove is as Stephen Colbert pointed out, a gigantic ham if memory serves....

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:01:04pm

re: #683 jaunte

This is the first time I've considered Newt as a boneless, formed meat product, but you may have hit on something.

I just grossed myself out, hahaha

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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:01:12pm

re: #678 WindUpBird

You still believe the protesters lost us Vietnam, don't you?

No, I never believed that. Why would you suggest such a stupid thing?

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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:01:36pm

re: #670 WindUpBird

I googled Simon Rodia, just from google images I'm already in love :D :D

This guy is down the road in Brundige Godforsaken Alabama:

[Link: www.roadsideamerica.com...]

[Link: www.larrygodwin.com...]

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:02:38pm

re: #689 NJDhockeyfan

No, I never believed that. Why would you suggest such a stupid thing?

because you seem to have a thing for revisionist fighting of long-settled conflicts through the lens of partisanship

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:03:10pm

re: #672 jamesfirecat

If they didn't care about his sex life why was he being asked about it under oath?

Because Paula Jones had sued him. After it became public that he might have lied, Janet Reno had no choice but to turn the matter over to an Independent Council for investigation.

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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:03:18pm

re: #684 HappyWarrior

I seriously doubt the founders wrote the impeachment statue for politicans and their sex life. The Clinton Impeachment proceedings were a joke. I am not excusing Clinton having an affair but it wasn't Congress or our business. It was between two consenting adults.

And a cigar.

694

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:03:31pm

re: #690 Decatur Deb

This guy is down the road in Brundige Godforsaken Alabama:

[Link: www.roadsideamerica.com...]

[Link: www.larrygodwin.com...]

You uh had me at "rooster made out of car bumpers"

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:03:49pm

re: #690 Decatur Deb

This guy is down the road in Brundige Godforsaken Alabama:

[Link: www.roadsideamerica.com...]

[Link: www.larrygodwin.com...]

I want this in my front yard...
Image: Life-Size-Alien-Queen-Statue-from-Aliens.jpg

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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:04:06pm

re: #691 WindUpBird

because you seem to have a thing for revisionist fighting of long-settled conflicts through the lens of partisanship

You off your meds again?

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:04:11pm

re: #584 Big Steve

So I guess Jon Stewart who has made a living making fun of racism in others, has a little race problem of his own...Who's On late Night TV

Look at who he's being compared with.

Then do the math, and think the problem through.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:04:45pm

re: #689 NJDhockeyfan

No, I never believed that. Why would you suggest such a stupid thing?

also, it's not as if in 2007, half the blog's commenters wouldn't have agreed that we could have won Vietnam if it wasn't for the hippies ;-)

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:04:46pm

re: #588 NJDhockeyfan

How many of them sleep with their daughter's husband?

Thank God, not husband. Bristol has escaped that particular fate so far.

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Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:05:35pm

re: #691 WindUpBird

because you seem to have a thing for revisionist fighting of long-settled conflicts through the lens of partisanship

Forget Vietnam.
FOR SPARTA!

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:05:55pm

re: #692 Dark_Falcon

Because Paula Jones had sued him. After it became public that he might have lied, Janet Reno had no choice but to turn the matter over to an Independent Council for investigation.

Why was he before congress on what should have been a matter for a civil court between him and Paula Jones?

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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:06:00pm

The wingnuts are trying to destroy my will to live again.

With your continued ripping of the right wing, noticed a drop-off in traffic? Don't worry, your left wing buddies will make up the difference, I haven't been here in 2 months, just thought I'd shoot you a message. Goodnight liberal. Bill

Well, that does it! I want some traffic! Evolution is a myth! Hispanics shouldn't vote! Obama is a Kenyan stealth Muslim Manchurian candidate! Rush Limbaugh is God!

Maybe that'll do it.

703

Stanghazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:06:08pm

re: #699 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank God, not husband. Bristol has escaped that particular fate so far.

But she was a pink tutu wearing gorilla last night.

Can't go much further than that.

(yes, it still bothers me)

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:06:34pm

re: #693 NJDhockeyfan

And a cigar.

There's nothing like a Cuban.

705

Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:06:40pm

re: #694 WindUpBird

You uh had me at "rooster made out of car bumpers"

He's dropped giant animals all over the county, including our town's "Silver Sow" and a catfish the size of an 18-wheeler.

706

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:06:44pm

re: #670 WindUpBird

I googled Simon Rodia, just from google images I'm already in love :D :D

I thought it was to your taste.
Glad you liked it!
*smooch*

707

Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:06:45pm

re: #702 Charles

The wingnuts are trying to destroy my will to live again.

Well, that does it! I want some traffic! Evolution is a myth! Hispanics shouldn't vote! Obama is a Kenyan stealth Muslim Manchurian candidate! Rush Limbaugh is God!

Maybe that'll do it.

Drop in traffic?
Lol.
Okely dokely.

708

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:06:49pm

re: #696 NJDhockeyfan

You off your meds again?

I actually have no meds to speak of!

Unless you count beer and occasionally that icy-hot stuff that's really nice when you're hunched over staring at a tablet all day

Sadly, still sober, might have to remedy that, which would probably take me out of the fight since I become a silly cuddly drunk and lose all will to argue

709

Amory Blaine Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:07:10pm

re: #690 Decatur Deb

My dad's a Burning Man hippie. Get to see some cool stuff when I get to hang out with him.

710

goddamnedfrank Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:07:18pm

re: #668 NJDhockeyfan

Lying under oath is against the law. What you lie about doesn't matter.

Actually, according to the federal legal definition of perjury what you lie about does matter, the lie has to pertain to a "material matter" before the court.

711

jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:07:24pm

"Goodnight liberal!111!"

Can you hear the tooth enamel chipping?

712

freetoken Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:07:28pm

re: #702 Charles

If you could only produce B. Obama's real birth certificate (you know, from the hospital in Kenya)... then, then you'd be a real American and get the blog hits!

713

Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:07:45pm

re: #698 WindUpBird

also, it's not as if in 2007, half the blog's commenters wouldn't have agreed that we could have won Vietnam if it wasn't for the hippies ;-)

I don't think that's true, either part of it. The course of that war is a very complex matter. And while the anti-war left did hurt the war effort, to say that it lost the war is to ignore the mistakes the US military did make (though, in fairness, some of them were forced errors due to politics).

714

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:07:45pm

re: #709 Amory Blaine

My dad's a Burning Man hippie. Get to see some cool stuff when I get to hang out with him.

Maybe I saw him this year. Does he run a theme camp?

715

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:08:26pm

re: #651 NJDhockeyfan

So there is no evidence you can link to for this accusation. Aside from that, who gives a shit who she banged years ago? President Bill Clinton's life has been filled with cheating on his wife and nobody cares.

I was with you up to the 'nobody cares' part.

716

NJDhockeyfan Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:08:59pm

re: #698 WindUpBird

also, it's not as if in 2007, half the blog's commenters wouldn't have agreed that we could have won Vietnam if it wasn't for the hippies ;-)

What fucking blogs do you read? That looks like something I would read at Rense.com or a similar blog.

Is it a full moon? The kooks are lively here tonight.

717

goddamnedfrank Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:09:17pm

re: #713 Dark_Falcon

I don't think that's true, either part of it. The course of that war is a very complex matter. And while the anti-war left did hurt the war effort, to say that it lost the war is to ignore the mistakes the US military did make (though, in fairness, some of them were forced errors due to politics).

The word you're looking for is clusterfuck.

718

Digital Display Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:09:24pm

+It's the 7th inning stretch and somebody is singing God Bless America...
I will never forget the 2001 World series in Yankee stadium after the fresh wounds of 911..Wasn't a dry eye in the land...We as a country came together without regards of politics because we loved our country and mourned the fallen at the twin towers.. I'm so sorry our country has been ripped apart after 9 years..
God Bless America..Land that I love...

719

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:09:25pm

re: #710 goddamnedfrank

Actually, according to the federal legal definition of perjury what you lie about does matter, the lie has to pertain to a "material matter" before the court.

I'm imagining someone asking the president what porn they wax their car to, and the president DARES LIE! ABOUT THEIR PENIS! WHICH IS THE PROPERTY OF AMERICA!

OH GOD THE REPUBLIC IS AT STAKE!

(if you want to know why I hold the whole perjury/lewinsky crap in contempt, NJDHockeyFan, this is it)

720

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:09:34pm

re: #660 HappyWarrior

re: #651 NJDhockeyfan

Uh no one cared about Clinton's cheating on his wife? Then why the hell did the Congressional GOP try to impeach him for lying about an extramatrial affair I don't care if Palin had an affair or not really but to suggest no one cares that Clinton had affairs is ridiculous.

Nonononononono, it wasn't that he had an affair, it was that he LIED about it!!!!

Why, if he'd just come clean when asked about his sex life in public court, absolutely nothing would have happened!!!!!

It was all his fault!!!!

721

Amory Blaine Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:10:03pm

re: #714 WindUpBird

Maybe I saw him this year. Does he run a theme camp?

I think it was Vegas Lounge A30 & J maybe...

722

Linden Arden Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:10:04pm

re: #715 SanFranciscoZionist

SF Zionist - did you see the 1906 Market St film on 60 Minutes last night?

It was amazing! Clear as it could be and taken two weeks before the great fire.

723

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:10:20pm

re: #715 SanFranciscoZionist

I was with you up to the 'nobody cares' part.

Nobody cares, that's why when i was working in health care during the scandal, every single news channel was filled with Lewinsky

724

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:10:56pm

re: #668 NJDhockeyfan

Lying under oath is against the law. What you lie about doesn't matter.

BullSHIT. That argument is old and stale--the "Gosh, we didn't mean to start anything, but then Clinton LIED, mygoodness, who could have seen that coming? And then we HAD to impeach his ass..."

Seriously.

725

Stanghazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:11:05pm

re: #717 goddamnedfrank

The word you're looking for is clusterfuck.

Or quagmire. Oft to be repeated, ignore those liberal hippies by god.

726

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:11:14pm

re: #723 WindUpBird

Nobody cares, that's why when i was working in health care during the scandal, every single news channel was filled with Lewinsky

And stupid right wing dipshits blaming their children hearing about oral sex due to Clinton.

727

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:11:23pm

re: #716 NJDhockeyfan

What fucking blogs do you read? That looks like something I would read at Rense.com or a similar blog.

Is it a full moon? The kooks are lively here tonight.

yes I'm a kook, that's why I'm constantly being warned and threatened with expulsion here

Oh wait NM

728

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:11:45pm

re: #724 SanFranciscoZionist

BullSHIT. That argument is old and stale--the "Gosh, we didn't mean to start anything, but then Clinton LIED, mygoodness, who could have seen that coming? And then we HAD to impeach his ass..."

Seriously.

on and on it goes! Been what, 12 years?

729

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:11:50pm

re: #717 goddamnedfrank

The word you're looking for is clusterfuck.

No after My Lai Vietnam was upgraded to a Catastro-fuck.

730

Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:12:11pm

re: #717 goddamnedfrank

The word you're looking for is clusterfuck.

I try not to use such words (though I sometimes fail). I often talk about military matters when I am playing Battletech at game stores or conventions. Due to the presence of children, words such as "clusterfuck" are not allowed as descriptors.

731

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:12:12pm

re: #726 HappyWarrior

And stupid right wing dipshits blaming their children hearing about oral sex due to Clinton.

because I never had ever heard of oral sex when I was [redacted] years old

uh :D

732

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:12:37pm

re: #703 Stanley Sea

But she was a pink tutu wearing gorilla last night.

Can't go much further than that.

(yes, it still bothers me)

Whhhhaaaat?

733

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:12:51pm

They could have censured him as I believe a Democratic senator suggested but noooooooo they had to waste their time impeaching him for lying about a consentual affair. Seriously, it was a joke and the Republicans looked like hypocrites especially when it came out that Newt, Bob Livingston, Bob Barr, and many otehrs were having affairs at the time it happened.

734

Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:12:58pm

re: #732 SanFranciscoZionist

Whhhaaat?

Yeah...

735

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:13:33pm

re: #722 Linden Arden

SF Zionist - did you see the 1906 Market St film on 60 Minutes last night?

It was amazing! Clear as it could be and taken two weeks before the great fire.

Cool, and, no, didn't see it. I'll check their website maybe?

736

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:13:39pm

re: #731 WindUpBird

because I never had ever heard of oral sex when I was [redacted] years old

uh :D

Heck, I am not even a big Clinton fan so it feels weird defending him right now but the whole thing was a sorry joke.

737

Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:13:53pm

More wingnut hate mail:

"Congress shall make no law respectingam establishment of religion or the free excersise thereof". The words "separation of church and State" do not appear in the Constitution.

You mean, the exact phrase "separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution? Is that what you're saying? Wow, you've got a real point there, dude!

I'm converting to Pentecostal fundamentalism tonight. Who do I call?

738

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:14:09pm

re: #668 NJDhockeyfan

Lying under oath is against the law. What you lie about doesn't matter.

also, I'm pretty sure that lying under oath in family law is different than lying under oath in a murder trial

Um yeah.

739

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:14:28pm

re: #726 HappyWarrior

And stupid right wing dipshits blaming their children hearing about oral sex due to Clinton.

Not just right wingers. A left wing rabbi in my area WROTE A GUIDE FOR PARENTS, about how to talk to your kids about the President's love life.

It was special.

740

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:14:39pm

For the record, this is the med I'm on

741

Stanghazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:15:00pm

re: #732 SanFranciscoZionist

Whhhaaat?

Dancing with the Stars

Please share the pain SFZ. This is really ranks up in my wtf were they thinking list.

[Link: wonkette.com...]

742

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:15:14pm

re: #734 Varek Raith

Yeah...

Was this DWTS, or has Bristol had a REAL bad week?

743

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:15:17pm

re: #739 SanFranciscoZionist

Not just right wingers. A left wing rabbi in my area WROTE A GUIDE FOR PARENTS, about how to talk to your kids about the President's love life.

It was special.

"When the president loves an intern VERY MUCH..."

744

Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:15:28pm

re: #724 SanFranciscoZionist

BullSHIT. That argument is old and stale--the "Gosh, we didn't mean to start anything, but then Clinton LIED, mygoodness, who could have seen that coming? And then we HAD to impeach his ass..."

Seriously.

Ken Starr was required by statue to investigate the matter and report on it once Janet Reno had assigned it to him. But Congress could have chosen not to impeach Clinton and they should have avoided that sand trap. An impeachment when you know you don't have Senate votes to convict is just a farce.

745

Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:16:00pm

'Nite, all.

746

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:16:24pm

re: #737 Charles

More wingnut hate mail:

You mean, the exact phrase "separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution? Is that what you're saying? Wow, you've got a real point there, dude!

I'm converting to Pentecostal fundamentalism tonight. Who do I call?

They do this all the time. I've actually had this sprung on me at parties as a 'make fun of the dumb liberal' gotcha. They get very frustrated if you don't bite.

747

webevintage Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:16:35pm

Oh Noes!
Halloween is on Sunday so the good Christians in towns here in Arkansas are moving it to Sat night instead.
This annoys me for no particular reason....

748

Amory Blaine Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:16:49pm

re: #737 Charles

More wingnut hate mail:

You mean, the exact phrase "separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution? Is that what you're saying? Wow, you've got a real point there, dude!

I'm converting to Pentecostal fundamentalism tonight. Who do I call?

Ghostbusters?

749

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:16:52pm

re: #736 HappyWarrior

Heck, I am not even a big Clinton fan so it feels weird defending him right now but the whole thing was a sorry joke.

Clinton reminds me of the dot-com era, a guy who was really smart who was sort of a slob, achieving amazing heights...but still a slob :D

750

goddamnedfrank Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:16:57pm

re: #737 Charles

More wingnut hate mail:

You mean, the exact phrase "separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution? Is that what you're saying? Wow, you've got a real point there, dude!

I'm converting to Pentecostal fundamentalism tonight. Who do I call?

I can hook you up. I use to be a fig tree and Somebody owes me a favor.

751

Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:17:17pm

re: #742 SanFranciscoZionist

Was this DWTS, or has Bristol had a REAL bad week?

Not really. In fact, she just turned 20 this week.

752

lostlakehiker Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:17:45pm

re: #641 Amory Blaine

I wish we, as a society took marriage more seriously.

Well, that's totally against the tenor of the times.

Just to take an example---

Making day care available at taxpayer expense has the effect of penalizing traditional marriage. Imagine an analogy---suppose I don't like home carpentry. So I make a law: if you build your own furniture, good for you. But if you don't, the government will buy you carpenter-made furniture, using funds got by taxing everybody. Net effect: the work of the home carpenter is for naught. He works, but ends up with nothing to show for it but the blisters.

753

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:18:08pm

re: #739 SanFranciscoZionist

Not just right wingers. A left wing rabbi in my area WROTE A GUIDE FOR PARENTS, about how to talk to your kids about the President's love life.

It was special.

You know what's pitiful is that the Victorian Era press handled Grover Cleveland having a possible an illegitmate child better than Clinton's affairs. Granted Cleveland was more honest about it than Clinton but the sexual purtians were acting like Clinton had ivnented presidential infidelity. Had to left as a student of history knowing that ole Warren Harding was having two affairs at a time.

754

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:18:10pm

re: #746 SanFranciscoZionist

They do this all the time. I've actually had this sprung on me at parties as a 'make fun of the dumb liberal' gotcha. They get very frustrated if you don't bite.

You go to different parties than I do :D

Parties I go to are more of the "check this headshot out I recorded from my Halo 3 clanmatch" variety :D

755

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:18:18pm

re: #741 Stanley Sea

Dancing with the Stars

Please share the pain SFZ. This is really ranks up in my wtf were they thinking list.

[Link: wonkette.com...]

Maybe this show isn't the harmless hobby I've been envisioning. That was...weird.

756

Mich-again Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:18:20pm

re: #684 HappyWarrior

I seriously doubt the founders wrote the impeachment statue for politicans and their sex life. The Clinton Impeachment proceedings were a joke. I am not excusing Clinton having an affair but it wasn't Congress or our business. It was between two consenting adults.

I wonder what would have happened if that woman, Miss Lewinsky decided to sue the President for sexual harrassment. Proving it was just sex between consenting adults would have been difficult for the President to prove given the circumstances. The CEO was banging an intern. Ask a lawyer how that case would likely go. Of course all the rules are different because it was an elected official, not a corporate officer. That makes it a different legal question I suppose.

757

Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:18:20pm

re: #748 Amory Blaine

Ghostbusters?

"Are you a god?"

758

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:18:44pm

re: #749 WindUpBird

Clinton reminds me of the dot-com era, a guy who was really smart who was sort of a slob, achieving amazing heights...but still a slob :D

Sounds like the executives my old man was waiting on during that time heh.

759

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:18:50pm

re: #718 HoosierHoops

We will survive. A few licks, cuts & bruises, but, Democracy is still the freeist way to live. WE ARE SO LUCKY! Be grateful, folks.

760

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:18:50pm

re: #744 Dark_Falcon

Ken Starr was required by statue to investigate the matter and report on it once Janet Reno had assigned it to him. But Congress could have chosen not to impeach Clinton and they should have avoided that sand trap. An impeachment when you know you don't have Senate votes to convict is just a farce.

No... some things should get Presidents called into be impeached even if you don't have the votes to show the seriousness of the crime involved.

Lieing about if you got a blow job is obviously one of those things.

Its not even close to being one of those things....

It and "one of those things" do not share the same zip code.

Or time zone...

Or hemisphere...

761

webevintage Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:19:01pm

re: #737 Charles

More wingnut hate mail:

As I have inquired before...how do these folks manage to eat without sticking a fork in their eyes.
So. Fucking. Stupid.

762

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:19:07pm

re: #755 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe this show isn't the harmless hobby I've been envisioning. That was...weird.

A gorilla in a tutu is really more my province, than the province of mainstream television

763

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:19:15pm

re: #744 Dark_Falcon

Ken Starr was required by statue to investigate the matter and report on it once Janet Reno had assigned it to him. But Congress could have chosen not to impeach Clinton and they should have avoided that sand trap. An impeachment when you know you don't have Senate votes to convict is just a farce.

And an impeachment over something that has NOTHING to do with the President's actual performance as president is a partisan, dumbass farce that costs the country ridiculous amounts.

764

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:19:25pm

re: #758 HappyWarrior

Sounds like the executives my old man was waiting on during that time heh.

drunk-before-noon types? :D

765

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:19:42pm

re: #763 SanFranciscoZionist

And an impeachment over something that has NOTHING to do with the President's actual performance as president is a partisan, dumbass farce that costs the country ridiculous amounts.

YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES

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Amory Blaine Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:19:49pm

re: #752 lostlakehiker

Well, that's totally against the tenor of the times.

Just to take an example---

Making day care available at taxpayer expense has the effect of penalizing traditional marriage. Imagine an analogy---suppose I don't like home carpentry. So I make a law: if you build your own furniture, good for you. But if you don't, the government will buy you carpenter-made furniture, using funds got by taxing everybody. Net effect: the work of the home carpenter is for naught. He works, but ends up with nothing to show for it but the blisters.

I generally agree with the point. But when 2 people have to work outside the home for little money, paying nannies is pretty hard.

767

jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:19:49pm

re: #761 webevintage

As I have inquired before...how do these folks manage to eat without sticking a fork in their eyes.
So. Fucking. Stupid.

Buckets: [Link: www.endtimesreport.com...]

768

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:20:08pm

re: #747 webevintage

Oh Noes!
Halloween is on Sunday so the good Christians in towns here in Arkansas are moving it to Sat night instead.
This annoys me for no particular reason...

They do understand that it's been a Christian holiday for over a thousand years at this point, right?

769

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:20:20pm

re: #764 WindUpBird

drunk-before-noon types? :D

No, that was me in Galway: Whiskey for breakfast, lunch,dinner, and dessert.

770

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:20:21pm

re: #737 Charles

More wingnut hate mail:

You mean, the exact phrase "separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution? Is that what you're saying? Wow, you've got a real point there, dude!

I'm converting to Pentecostal fundamentalism tonight. Who do I call?

Um, I don't have the phone number for the snakes, handy.
Lemme look.
///

771

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:20:27pm

re: #752 lostlakehiker

Well, that's totally against the tenor of the times.

Just to take an example---

Making day care available at taxpayer expense has the effect of penalizing traditional marriage. Imagine an analogy---suppose I don't like home carpentry. So I make a law: if you build your own furniture, good for you. But if you don't, the government will buy you carpenter-made furniture, using funds got by taxing everybody. Net effect: the work of the home carpenter is for naught. He works, but ends up with nothing to show for it but the blisters.

Yeah one man one woman, one bread maker who brings home all the money, one helpless domestic member of the partnership who is completely dependent upon the other for their financial well being!

772

Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:20:33pm

I forgot:

War on Christmas! Piss Christ! Darwin was a Nazi! Hitler Hitler Hitler! Atheists are genocidal monsters! Global warming is a hoax! Black people have lower IQs! Muslims want to kill us all!

Now can I have some traffic, please?

773

goddamnedfrank Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:20:55pm

re: #741 Stanley Sea

Dancing with the Stars

Please share the pain SFZ. This is really ranks up in my wtf were they thinking list.

[Link: wonkette.com...]

Okay, it just got weird enough for me.

774

Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:21:20pm

re: #772 Charles

I forgot:

War on Christmas! Piss Christ! Darwin was a Nazi! Hitler Hitler Hitler! Atheists are genocidal monsters! Global warming is a hoax! Black people have lower IQs! Muslims want to kill us all!

Now can I have some traffic, please?

I love the War on Christmas.
XD

775

lostlakehiker Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:21:59pm

re: #733 HappyWarrior

They could have censured him as I believe a Democratic senator suggested but nooo they had to waste their time impeaching him for lying about a consentual affair. Seriously, it was a joke and the Republicans looked like hypocrites especially when it came out that Newt, Bob Livingston, Bob Barr, and many otehrs were having affairs at the time it happened.

Clinton did his best to frame Billy Dale, after having fired him. Setting him up to be at fault somehow was necessary if the firing was to look good.

This perjury of his was not the first case of playing fast and loose with the law. Nixon, Clinton, both scheming bastards who figured the law was their own plaything rather than something high and grand, not to be sullied.

776

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:22:11pm

re: #772 Charles

Andre Serrano will never die!

777

engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:22:12pm

re: #752 lostlakehiker

Making day care available at taxpayer expense has the effect of penalizing traditional marriage.

the fact that we've somehow gotten ourselves to a state in this country where most families need two incomes to survive is the thing that is penalizing traditional marriages the most

more day care would mitigate that and allow both our economy and families to function better in this brave new world

778

jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:22:33pm

re: #774 Varek Raith

Happy Holidays!

779

Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:22:35pm

re: #774 Varek Raith

I love the War on Christmas.
XD

Watch.
Right after Halloween I'll start hearing Christmas music in stores.
Just watch.

780

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:23:09pm

re: #756 Mich-again

I wonder what would have happened if that woman, Miss Lewinsky decided to sue the President for sexual harrassment. Proving it was just sex between consenting adults would have been difficult for the President to prove given the circumstances. The CEO was banging an intern. Ask a lawyer how that case would likely go. Of course all the rules are different because it was an elected official, not a corporate officer. That makes it a different legal question I suppose.

Unfortunately for that woman Miss Lewinsky, by the time she was in the public eye, her innocent office buddy Linda Tripp had substantial recorded evidence that the affair was consensual.

781

Amory Blaine Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:23:22pm

re: #772 Charles

I forgot:

Now can I have some traffic, please?

Youtube Video

No Prob....

782

webevintage Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:23:26pm

re: #768 SanFranciscoZionist

They do understand that it's been a Christian holiday for over a thousand years at this point, right?

Puh-leze this is Arkansas.
It is Satan's day...SATAN'S I tell you!!!!!!

783

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:23:41pm

re: #762 WindUpBird

A gorilla in a tutu is really more my province, than the province of mainstream television

I was thinking.

Now, the pink dress was kind of cute.

784

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:23:44pm

re: #718 HoosierHoops

Hope all is well with you!
When do the long days end?
And the Audi arrives?

785

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:24:06pm

re: #780 SanFranciscoZionist

Unfortunately for that woman Miss Lewinsky, by the time she was in the public eye, her innocent office buddy Linda Tripp had substantial recorded evidence that the affair was consensual.

Linda Tripp !

Where is that friendly face now?

786

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:24:37pm

re: #783 SanFranciscoZionist

I was thinking.

Now, the pink dress was kind of cute.

I thought so!

Gorilla suits are not conducive to dancing, though :D

787

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:24:37pm

re: #777 engineer dog

the fact that we've somehow gotten ourselves to a state in this country where most families need two incomes to survive is the thing that is penalizing traditional marriages the most

more day care would mitigate that and allow both our economy and families to function better in this brave new world

Oh and also F*** you single parents who don't want to push your kid off on relatives while you work to support your child!

788

Daniel Ballard Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:24:53pm

re: #772 Charles

Heh. Quality over quantity. Besides, let me guess-More subscribers than ever. Just the fact subscribers exist annoys the hell out of your critics/stalkers.

789

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:25:01pm

re: #784 Floral Giraffe

He's getting an Audi? :D

790

NJDhockeyfan Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:25:19pm

re: #779 Varek Raith

Watch.
Right after Halloween I'll start hearing Christmas music in stores.
Just watch.

I saw Christmas shit for sale in stores back in August. They are putting it out earlier each year. How dumb is that?

791

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:25:19pm

re: #785 WindUpBird

Linda Tripp !

Where is that friendly face now?

Playing in a Broadway production of the Big Lebowski portraying Walter Sobchak.

792

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:25:53pm

re: #791 HappyWarrior

Playing in a Broadway production of the Big Lebowski portraying Walter Sobchak.

haha linda tripp waving a piece around in a bowling alley!

793

Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:26:02pm

Youtube Video

794

webevintage Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:26:18pm

re: #785 WindUpBird

Linda Tripp !

Where is that friendly face now?

Probably helping Ginny Thomas make stalker phone calls to Anita Hill.

795

Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:26:23pm

re: #791 HappyWarrior

Playing in a Broadway production of the Big Lebowski portraying Walter Sobchak.

LOL!

796

Varek Raith Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:26:31pm

re: #790 NJDhockeyfan

I saw Christmas shit for sale in stores back in August. They are putting it out earlier each year. How dumb is that?

Pretty soon Christmas will be year round!
Huzzah!
:/

797

jaunte Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:26:32pm

re: #791 HappyWarrior

"My government career is over, Donnie."

798

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:26:48pm

re: #792 WindUpBird

haha linda tripp waving a piece around in a bowling alley!

and telling Steve Buscemi to shut the fuck up. I only used a Goodman movie character since Goodman played her on SNL.

799

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:27:08pm

re: #785 WindUpBird

Linda Tripp !

Where is that friendly face now?

Since the Lewinsky scandal Tripp has moved to Northern Virginia, had extensive plastic surgery, married German architect Dieter Rausch in 2004 and opened with her new husband a year-round Christmas shop, called the Christmas Sleigh, in Middleburg, Virginia.

I guess this could be considered a happy ending.

800

engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:27:42pm

re: #753 HappyWarrior

You know what's pitiful is that the Victorian Era press handled Grover Cleveland having a possible an illegitmate child better than Clinton's affairs. Granted Cleveland was more honest about it than Clinton but the sexual purtians were acting like Clinton had ivnented presidential infidelity. Had to left as a student of history knowing that ole Warren Harding was having two affairs at a time.

cleveland married his ward, and harding was doing nan britton in the closet in his office, so i'd say that old bill was following precedent rather closely

still, i wish he'd been having a respectable affair with a nice ambassador lady or something... would have made a big difference...

801

NJDhockeyfan Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:28:28pm

re: #796 Varek Raith

Pretty soon Christmas will be year round!
Huzzah!
:/

It already is.

Christmas Mouse

(My wife's favorite store)

802

Stanghazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:28:29pm

re: #755 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe this show isn't the harmless hobby I've been envisioning. That was...weird.

I would be damaged. Really, for the $$$?

803

Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:28:50pm

re: #741 Stanley Sea

Dancing with the Stars

Please share the pain SFZ. This is really ranks up in my wtf were they thinking list.

[Link: wonkette.com...]

Oh, that was... Teh Suck.

804

Digital Display Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:29:00pm

re: #784 Floral Giraffe

Hope all is well with you!
When do the long days end?
And the Audi arrives?

7 days a week..12-14 hour days should end the first week of Nov...I'm punch drunk every night..I'm bound to say something dumb in the up coming days..
/I had an affair with Sarah Palin or something..LOL...
Hope today finds you well

805

Gus Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:29:17pm

re: #772 Charles

I forgot:

War on Christmas! Piss Christ! Darwin was a Nazi! Hitler Hitler Hitler! Atheists are genocidal monsters! Global warming is a hoax! Black people have lower IQs! Muslims want to kill us all!

Now can I have some traffic, please?

Separation of church and state is a myth! Gay agenda! Farsi tattooed Iranian terrorists coming over the border! Helen Keller was a communist! Clinton body count! ACORN stole the election! Obama is the antichrist! Real Americans! Drill here, drill now! Death panels!

806

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:29:26pm

re: #797 jaunte

"My government career is over, Donnie."

"SHUT THE FUCK MONICA!"

807

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:30:57pm

re: #777 engineer dog

the fact that we've somehow gotten ourselves to a state in this country where most families need two incomes to survive is the thing that is penalizing traditional marriages the most

more day care would mitigate that and allow both our economy and families to function better in this brave new world

Well, "we" have CHOSEN to have 2 incomes to survive. "We" buy useless crap rather than spend time with our friends & families. "We" have made decisions, that we are now re-thinking.

BTW. I am NOT one of your "we" people.
I have no credit card debt. Never have, never will.
I live within my means.
I value my friends & family, more than my "lifestlye".
You can live on one income & raise your children at home.
See Dr. Laura Schlessinger, and Dave Ramsey.
It can be done. It's not easy & your "friends" won't understand.
But, do you live you life for other folks opinions?

808

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:32:41pm

re: #807 Floral Giraffe

Well, "we" have CHOSEN to have 2 incomes to survive. "We" buy useless crap rather than spend time with our friends & families. "We" have made decisions, that we are now re-thinking.

BTW. I am NOT one of your "we" people.
I have no credit card debt. Never have, never will.
I live within my means.
I value my friends & family, more than my "lifestlye".
You can live on one income & raise your children at home.
See Dr. Laura Schlessinger, and Dave Ramsey.
It can be done. It's not easy & your "friends" won't understand.
But, do you live you life for other folks opinions?

What about the case of single parents?

If they don't have a way to get day care then they're more or less f***ed when it comes to making money aren't they?

809

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:32:47pm

re: #804 HoosierHoops

Hang in there!

810

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:33:07pm

re: #807 Floral Giraffe

Well, "we" have CHOSEN to have 2 incomes to survive. "We" buy useless crap rather than spend time with our friends & families. "We" have made decisions, that we are now re-thinking.

BTW. I am NOT one of your "we" people.
I have no credit card debt. Never have, never will.
I live within my means.
I value my friends & family, more than my "lifestlye".
You can live on one income & raise your children at home.
See Dr. Laura Schlessinger, and Dave Ramsey.
It can be done. It's not easy & your "friends" won't understand.
But, do you live you life for other folks opinions?

My husband and I are living on one income right now, and it sucks.

We don't have a 'lifestyle'. We have an overdraft at the end of the month.

811

Stanghazi Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:33:24pm

re: #785 WindUpBird

Linda Tripp !

Where is that friendly face now?

I bet she's still @ the Pentagon.

Hmmmm

Or she has a son writing on a blog. Jonah Tripp anyone?

812

engineer cat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:34:11pm

re: #807 Floral Giraffe

Well, "we" have CHOSEN to have 2 incomes to survive. "We" buy useless crap rather than spend time with our friends & families. "We" have made decisions, that we are now re-thinking.

BTW. I am NOT one of your "we" people.
I have no credit card debt. Never have, never will.
I live within my means.
I value my friends & family, more than my "lifestlye".
You can live on one income & raise your children at home.
See Dr. Laura Schlessinger, and Dave Ramsey.
It can be done. It's not easy & your "friends" won't understand.
But, do you live you life for other folks opinions?

ouch!

but i absolutely agree with you

813

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:35:42pm

re: #808 jamesfirecat

It's hard, but, if you are willing to sacrifice for the now, then I believe you will have it better in the later. With regards to single parents, well, maybe you should have made better decisions? Yes, there are exceptions, and BLESS every single parent & their kids. Life is hard, your choices shouldn't make it harder, than you have to.

814

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:37:18pm

re: #813 Floral Giraffe

It's hard, but, if you are willing to sacrifice for the now, then I believe you will have it better in the later. With regards to single parents, well, maybe you should have made better decisions? Yes, there are exceptions, and BLESS every single parent & their kids. Life is hard, your choices shouldn't make it harder, than you have to.

So what, if you're an orphan but grow up to marry a loving wife, have a kid who dies in a car accident, you should have "made better decisions" so that you don't have to choose between seeing your child is looked after and having a job to feed it?

815

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:37:27pm

re: #810 SanFranciscoZionist

But, you ARE living as best you can, within your means.
And many people aren't.
They think they should have every fricking toy, they want, even if they can't pay for it.
HELLO?

816

Reginald Perrin Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:38:21pm

re: #679 Stanley Sea

touche

817

Linden Arden Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:38:42pm

re: #810 SanFranciscoZionist

A Trip down Market St - 1906

I love your city - stayed at the Fairmont on Nob Hill many times. I was a young shitkicker and worked a convention there once and fell for one of the hostesses there. She took me to all the crazy places in SF - including the O'Farrell Theater.

Good Times.

818

webevintage Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:41:41pm

Really?
Day care hurts families?
I think going out and working keeps a lot of folks from locking their kids in the closet all day.

819

julmudgeon Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:49:44pm

I have a question for Christine and all her supporters/backers, since she and they seem to consider the Bill of Rights suspect at best (with apologies to any who may have already asked this): Where in the Constitution does it say that religion should be part of the U. S. Government?

820

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:50:42pm

re: #814 jamesfirecat

Bad things happen. If you have a plan, and some savings, friends & family, then hopefully they will get overcome. There are always unexpected happenings. I was referring more, to folks who don't plan & save for the future.Do you have an emergency fund? Life is full of emergencies, and a LOT easier if you have some cash saved, to deal with one.

Dear friend, is about to declare bankruptcy.
Lived to his means the past 10 years. Made GREAT money. Didn't save a dime.
Thought this would last forever.
Recently admitted to me, that his business, really was a hobby.
That is very sad.

821

krypto Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:52:20pm

re: #644 Floral Giraffe

Election day is Nov. 2. Halloween is Oct. 31.
The dates never change.
What are you trying to imply?

(1) That some people are humor impaired?
(2) Of course the date changes each year. Election day in 2011 is November 8.

822

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:54:10pm

re: #820 Floral Giraffe

Bad things happen. If you have a plan, and some savings, friends & family, then hopefully they will get overcome. There are always unexpected happenings. I was referring more, to folks who don't plan & save for the future.Do you have an emergency fund? Life is full of emergencies, and a LOT easier if you have some cash saved, to deal with one.

Dear friend, is about to declare bankruptcy.
Lived to his means the past 10 years. Made GREAT money. Didn't save a dime.
Thought this would last forever.
Recently admitted to me, that his business, really was a hobby.
That is very sad.

I have an emergency fund yes, but at the moment I'm lucky in that I have a loving family who is willing to help support me as I act like an idiot and work for a start up company that only has enough money to "pay" me in IOUs that will get cashed before the company can pay its stock holders any profits and cover my travel expenses.

Yes there are people who live beyond their means, but is the way to deal with this to punish them by forcing them to raise their children without enough money to get by?

If you do that you will only increase people's resentment toward their children and end up creating more abuse/abortions/putting kids up for adoptions.

Do you want to live in a world where only families with a financially secure bedrock foundation can afford to raise children?

823

palomino Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:55:25pm

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

Fuck the religious values... have you seen what religious values have turned into... buggering kids behind the altar and then covering it up for decades, hypocritical smiling faces on TV, talking out one side of their mouth while they are slamming the female members of their congregation, gay men who can't come to grips with their own sexuality so they feel a need to screw up the life of every other sexually diverse person on the face of this planet.

Is that the religious values you're talking about?

When you're right, you're right. But how do you square that with supporting republicans, a party that doesn't really welcome non-believers?

824

palomino Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:57:53pm

re: #446 Charles

It really is amazing - the sheer blatant racism that's oozing out of every pore of the GOP in this election. And not just racism -- misogyny is also a huge part of the GOP campaign this year. And Christian supremacism. And nauseating homophobia. And glorification of stupidity.

I've never seen anything like it.

At SOME point this has to change, right? Like in 30 years when whites are only 45% of the population. As opposed to 65% now (and 85% back in 1960).

Yes, change is coming. Some will be ready for it, others will be road kill.

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researchok Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:59:15pm

re: #822 jamesfirecat

I have an emergency fund yes, but at the moment I'm lucky in that I have a loving family who is willing to help support me as I act like an idiot and work for a start up company that only has enough money to "pay" me in IOUs that will get cashed before the company can pay its stock holders any profits and cover my travel expenses.

Yes there are people who live beyond their means, but is the way to deal with this to punish them by forcing them to raise their children without enough money to get by?

If you do that you will only increase people's resentment toward their children and end up creating more abuse/abortions/putting kids up for adoptions.

Do you want to live in a world where only families with a financially secure bedrock foundation can afford to raise children?

Make sure you get stock options as well.

You never know, you know?

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:02:14pm

re: #825 researchok

Make sure you get stock options as well.

You never know, you know?

We can get them for bonuses, and we get a chance to buy them before the company goes public.

If the idea works I'm probably gonna be a millionare or at least hundred thousandaire...

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palomino Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:03:00pm

re: #593 Big Steve

probably for the same reason polls don't call everyone in the country each time...its just a sampling.

It's apples and oranges. Stewart's guests are mostly involved in politics, which is still disproportionately white.

The other hosts have guests from across the entertainment spectrum, where the players are more diverse.

But if you're trying to make the point that Stewart's an exclusionary racist, you're full of shit. Two of his "correspondents" are black, another is an Arab Muslim.

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garhighway Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:03:42pm

re: #775 lostlakehiker

Clinton did his best to frame Billy Dale, after having fired him. Setting him up to be at fault somehow was necessary if the firing was to look good.

This perjury of his was not the first case of playing fast and loose with the law. Nixon, Clinton, both scheming bastards who figured the law was their own plaything rather than something high and grand, not to be sullied.

Swing and a miss.

Nixon committed crimes against democracy and the Constitution. Clinton lied about a blow job.

Do you really see those as equivalent?

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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:04:05pm

re: #822 jamesfirecat

Everyone is ALWAYS doing the best that they can.
Some folks need to stop & think, before they act, is what I meant.
Trying to be responsible, is a good thing.
Life isn't always following our plans, and strategies.
But we all DO try our best.
I hope your situation works out.
It sounds like you have planned & are doing your best!

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palomino Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:06:01pm

re: #668 NJDhockeyfan

Lying under oath is against the law. What you lie about doesn't matter.

What he lied about didn't matter? You might want to refresh your memory with the actual gop rhetoric of the time; it focused on Clinton's moral failings more for the infidelity ("OMG, in the oval office") than with the nuts and bolts of false statements in a civil deposition.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:07:05pm

re: #829 Floral Giraffe

Everyone is ALWAYS doing the best that they can.
Some folks need to stop & think, before they act, is what I meant.
Trying to be responsible, is a good thing.
Life isn't always following our plans, and strategies.
But we all DO try our best.
I hope your situation works out.
It sounds like you have planned & are doing your best!

Yeah.

The point I was trying to make was that I vehemently disagree with lostlakehiker's idea that having government run day care as an option for everyone harms traditional marriage.

Or if it really does in truth do just that then "traditional marriage" ain't all its cracked up to be in my opionion...

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webevintage Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:10:40pm

re: #827 palomino

But if you're trying to make the point that Stewart's an exclusionary racist, you're full of shit. Two of his "correspondents" are black, another is an Arab Muslim.

Stewart's Racism Problem:

Comedy Central Video

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Amory Blaine Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:13:16pm

re: #831 jamesfirecat

Yeah.

The point I was trying to make was that I vehemently disagree with lostlakehiker's idea that having government run day care as an option for everyone harms traditional marriage.

Or if it really does in truth do just that then "traditional marriage" ain't all its cracked up to be in my opionion...

When it takes "responsible" people of modest means until 30 to responsibly have children, society is broken. Plus, how can you predict for retirement needs?

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Kruk Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:16:55pm

re: #774 Varek Raith

I love the War on Christmas.
XD

I love any war where the combatants can duel to the death on a well roasted turkey.

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webevintage Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:24:25pm

re: #832 webevintage

Stewart's Racism Problem:
[Link: www.thedailyshow.com...]

Jon's True Racial Problem...white christian men...Larry Wilmore's in it always worth a few good laughs.

Comedy Central Video

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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:26:15pm

re: #835 webevintage

Jon's True Racial Problem...white christian men...Larry Wilmore's in it always worth a few good laughs.
[Link: www.thedailyshow.com...]

Hates you so much he's holding a rally against on you on the exact same day at the exact same time in the exact same place!

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webevintage Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:36:08pm

re: #833 Amory Blaine

When it takes "responsible" people of modest means until 30 to responsibly have children, society is broken. Plus, how can you predict for retirement needs?

Waiting till 30 makes you a better parent no matter what the reason you waited.
I know these things....

we will work till we die.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:41:01am

re: #807 Floral Giraffe

Well, "we" have CHOSEN to have 2 incomes to survive. "We" buy useless crap rather than spend time with our friends & families. "We" have made decisions, that we are now re-thinking.

BTW. I am NOT one of your "we" people.
I have no credit card debt. Never have, never will.
I live within my means.
I value my friends & family, more than my "lifestlye".
You can live on one income & raise your children at home.
See Dr. Laura Schlessinger, and Dave Ramsey.
It can be done. It's not easy & your "friends" won't understand.
But, do you live you life for other folks opinions?

You know credit cards can be used for business expenses, right? ;-)

Also, Laura Schlessinger is garbage. She gives outright abusive "advice", she's shit. That woman is excrement in radio form.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:45:21am

re: #752 lostlakehiker

Well, that's totally against the tenor of the times.

Just to take an example---

Making day care available at taxpayer expense has the effect of penalizing traditional marriage. Imagine an analogy---suppose I don't like home carpentry. So I make a law: if you build your own furniture, good for you. But if you don't, the government will buy you carpenter-made furniture, using funds got by taxing everybody. Net effect: the work of the home carpenter is for naught. He works, but ends up with nothing to show for it but the blisters.

What the fuck traditional marriage penalized?

Who are you, man? There's some weird fucking nasty-ass inhuman attitudes orbiting this blog, blows my mind sometimes

Seriously libertariansim is just a creepy ideology, just can't stomach it, at least Republicans have the excuse of being stupid or rich!

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