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The wingnuts are trying to destroy my will to live again. Received today from someone who still uses AOL as an Internet provider:

With your continued ripping of the right wing, noticed a drop-off in traffic? Don’t worry, your left wing buddies will make up the difference, I haven’t been here in 2 months, just thought I’d shoot you a message. Goodnight liberal. Bill

Well, that does it!

I want some traffic!

Evolution is a myth! Hispanics shouldn’t vote! Obama is a Kenyan stealth Muslim Manchurian candidate! Rush Limbaugh is God! War on Christmas! Prayer in schools! Piss Christ! Darwin was a Nazi! Hitler Hitler Hitler! Atheists are genocidal monsters! Global warming is a hoax! Black people have lower IQs! Muslims want to kill us all!

Maybe that’ll do it.

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736 comments
1 deranged cat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:29:03pm

You should do this more often!

2 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:29:11pm

And...

SOROS!!

3 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:29:37pm

ACCOOORRRRNNNN!

4 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:30:22pm

Cloward-Piven!

5 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:30:51pm

Bill who?

6 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:30:59pm

Separation of church and state is a myth! Gay agenda! Farsi tattooed Iranian terrorists coming over the border! Helen Keller was a communist! Clinton body count! ACORN stole the election! Obama is the antichrist! Real Americans! Drill here, drill now! Death panels!

/Repost

7 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:31:01pm

We just had one of the coldest winters on record last year, did you know that?

8 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:31:10pm

I'm sorry sir, reality is presently in violation of Poe's Law. Just let the nice unlicensed militia-security-biker guy handcuff you to this chair quietly.

9 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:32:28pm

Kinsey - The dark secret behind America's sexual revolution!


That is a current one, btw.

10 webevintage  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:32:50pm

We need a fence between us and Canada.


Fluoridation is a commie plot.....

11 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:33:08pm

FLUORIDATION is a COMMUNIST PLOT!

12 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:33:15pm

Anchor Terror babies!

13 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:33:36pm

FEMA camps!

14 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:34:01pm

Malcolm X is Obama's father!

15 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:34:37pm

It starts with bicycles it ends with the UN taking over!

16 webevintage  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:34:41pm

Buy Gold!

17 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:34:59pm

Bill Ayers wrote "Dreams of my Father"!

18 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:35:06pm

re: #16 webevintage

Buy Gold!

NON-HYBRID SEEDS!

19 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:36:20pm

re: #16 webevintage

Buy Gold!

If you call within the next 10 minutes we will send you a free bag of seeds!

20 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:36:27pm

Girl scouts is recruiting lesbians!

21 CarleeCork  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:36:34pm

My sister still uses AOL. Her hubby Bob LOVES Glen Beck. I think I see a pattern.

22 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:36:47pm

UPSIDE DOWN CROSS SATANIC RITUAL MURDER CHEMTRAILS GOLD STANDARD WAVERIDER REMOTE VIEWING TRILATERAL COMMISSION FRINGE ON THE FLAG INCOME TAX IS ILLEGAL CRIMINALIZE PREACHING ZIP CODES ARE THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST

BROOKLYN!

23 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:37:42pm

Re-education camps!

24 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:37:55pm

ICE T AND BODY COUNT

NEW BLACK PANTHERS

CATCHY LITTLE NUMBER

URBAN YOUTHS

OMG

RUN

25 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:38:09pm

You shall not crucify us upon a cross of gold!

26 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:39:21pm

Taking me back to my first days @ LGF. Not Charles, but the lizards. Oh the best part was I was new, so I automatically restrained myself.

But damn it if I didn't form some opinions, and let loose later.

27 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:39:39pm

CENSUS is for internment camps!

28 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:40:20pm

Eugenic Bilderbergers with no separation of smirch and spate!

29 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:40:54pm

Trilateral Comission!

(Whatever the hell that is...)

30 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:41:17pm

Van Jones!

31 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:41:54pm

John Holdren wants to kill babies!

32 CarleeCork  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:42:22pm

re: #26 Stanley Sea

Taking me back to my first days @ LGF. Not Charles, but the lizards. Oh the best part was I was new, so I automatically restrained myself.

But damn it if I didn't form some opinions, and let loose later.


It's a tough thing to do, isn't it?

33 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:42:27pm

re: #30 Gus 802

GREEN-JOBZ-CZAR!

34 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:42:54pm

re: #33 jaunte

GREEN-JOBZ-CZAR!

Obama's Czars are secretly controlling the government!

35 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:43:17pm

re: #26 Stanley Sea

Taking me back to my first days @ LGF. Not Charles, but the lizards. Oh the best part was I was new, so I automatically restrained myself.

But damn it if I didn't form some opinions, and let loose later.

I've always given my opinion since I arrived. The only difference is I used to get a bunch of updings for the same things I'm now getting downdings for.

LOL

36 CarleeCork  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:43:30pm

re: #24 WindUpBird
ACORN!!!!

DEAD VOTERS!!!!

37 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:43:31pm

Reading some of the posts so far lampooning the Tea Party....

Who would have thought the Tea Parties were appartently smoking the strongest weed ever?

Or a Republican Governor would sign the marijuana decriminalization bill-No more misdemeanor, just an infraction now.

Or Jerry Brown would run for Governor again?

What strange times we live in!

38 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:44:07pm

Early order your Chairman Mao Christmas tree ornaments from Wal-Mart now!

39 CarleeCork  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:44:17pm

re: #34 Gus 802

Obama's Czars are secretly controlling the government!


Czars....that's commie ain't it????

40 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:44:31pm

Young people use curse words!

41 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:44:52pm

re: #38 HoosierHoops

Early order your Chairman Mao Christmas tree ornaments from Wal-Mart now!

There's a drag queen on the Christmas tree ornament!!11ty

//Hedda Lettuce

42 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:45:35pm

re: #38 HoosierHoops

Early order your Chairman Mao Christmas tree ornaments from Wal-Mart now!

The current chairman, or his kid, who's in line to be next?
///

43 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:45:40pm

re: #35 NJDhockeyfan

I've always given my opinion since I arrived. The only difference is I used to get a bunch of updings for the same things I'm now getting downdings for.

LOL


There is your problem right there, times have changed and you haven't.

44 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:45:57pm

re: #39 CarleeCork

Czars...that's commie ain't it???

Pre-Communist

45 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:46:23pm

um, lets see...

communism, atheism, nazism, socialism, zoroastrianism, liberalism, photosynthesis and progressivism are all the same!!! somehow!!! i don't need to understand them, you elitist nazi liberal homosexual bureacrat union belonging quich-mongerer!!!

46 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:46:30pm

re: #44 Gus 802

So you agree!

47 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:47:08pm

(No offense Dark)

CHICAGO DEM MACHINE!

48 Grimalkin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:47:38pm

Glenn Beck sells freeze dry Beef Stroganoff.

49 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:47:39pm

Sex ed for kindergartners!!11ty

50 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:48:07pm

FAKE GARDENS!

51 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:48:12pm

Alinsky! Alinsky! Alinsky! Alinsky!

52 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:48:37pm

re: #35 NJDhockeyfan

I've always given my opinion since I arrived. The only difference is I used to get a bunch of updings for the same things I'm now getting downdings for.

LOL

You are a trouper. Let's talk sports ok?

53 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:48:40pm

HOLLYWOOD JEWS!

LIBERAL MEDIA!

54 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:48:55pm

re: #43 Reginald Perrin

There is your problem right there, times have changed and you haven't.

I am what I am. Take it or leave it. I've been the same for 47 years, I'm not going to all of a sudden change.

55 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:49:00pm

re: #51 Gus 802

"TWO MOMMIES!"

56 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:49:00pm

ARUGALA!

57 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:49:27pm

re: #54 NJDhockeyfan

I am what I am. Take it or leave it. I've been the same for 47 years, I'm not going to all of a sudden change.

They got camps for that!
/

58 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:49:30pm

re: #56 Varek Raith

ARUGALA!

Obama likes coconut ice cream!

59 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:49:50pm

re: #56 Varek Raith

ARUGALA!

DIJON MUSTARD!

60 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:50:06pm

re: #52 Stanley Sea

You are a trouper. Let's talk sports ok?

Yankees have the bases loaded, 2 outs, bottom of the 8th, down 7-3 to the Rangers.

61 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:50:20pm

re: #58 Gus 802

Obama likes coconut ice cream!

Was that an outrageous outrage?
Lol

62 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:50:31pm

Bow-gates 1, 2, 3, 4...

Eleventy!

63 CarleeCork  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:50:31pm

re: #59 jamesfirecat

DIJON MUSTARD!


Now you're talking!

64 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:50:52pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

Was that an outrageous outrage?
Lol

I think a few of his ice cream runs did.

65 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:51:03pm

re: #57 Varek Raith

They got camps for that!
/

I will not go to the USSR for camp!
//

66 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:51:06pm

Obama apology tour!!11ty

67 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:51:12pm

re: #64 Gus 802

Can I Just Finish My Waffle?

68 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:51:37pm

re: #38 HoosierHoops

Early order your Chairman Mao Christmas tree ornaments from Wal-Mart now!

Oh I remember this nontroversy so well. MAO on the Obama tree!

LOfuckingL

69 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:51:43pm

Gatesgate!

70 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:51:48pm

re: #65 NJDhockeyfan

I will not go to the USSR for camp!
//

It's real convenient nowadays.
In Soviet Russia, camp come to you!

71 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:51:51pm

Creatorgate!

72 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:52:07pm

re: #60 NJDhockeyfan

Yankees have the bases loaded, 2 outs, bottom of the 8th, down 7-3 to the Rangers.

They couldn't score. 9th inning coming up.

73 CarleeCork  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:52:09pm

re: #67 jaunte

Can I Just Finish My Waffle?


No, pancakes are American, waffles are.....well they're waffley!

74 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:52:14pm

They're going to fly the Chinese flag on the White House lawn!

75 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:52:39pm

Keep going, folks! I can feel the traffic pouring in already!

76 CarleeCork  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:52:49pm

re: #74 Gus 802

They're going to fly the Chinese flag on the White House lawn!


The hell you say!!!

77 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:52:57pm

TOTUS!!11ty

78 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:53:28pm

Big Mexican Women!!11! How could you people forget the BMWs??

/Bunch of slackers...

79 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:53:46pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

It's real convenient nowadays.
In Soviet Russia, camp come to you!

Will they come to Virginian and bring a bunch of cases of vodka?

80 Linden Arden  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:53:47pm

New wingnut conspiracy theory - Obama is planning to seize your 401K!

81 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:53:56pm

re: #54 NJDhockeyfan

I am what I am. Take it or leave it. I've been the same for 47 years, I'm not going to all of a sudden change.

I can't imagine living with such a closed mind.

82 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:54:06pm

re: #74 Gus 802

They're going to fly the Chinese flag on the White House lawn!

over the commie garden!

83 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:54:18pm

The FLOTUS wore a red and black dress for the inauguration ball which is the color of the Bolivarian flag!!11ty

84 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:54:24pm

Pok-ee-stan!

85 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:54:33pm

Sleeveless!

86 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:54:36pm

OBAMA HATES DOGS!

87 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:54:49pm

re: #62 Gus 802

Bow-gates 1, 2, 3, 4...

Eleventy!

Palin et al, still bring up bow gate.

Can you IMAGINE being the President of the United States and your "opponents" are calling you out for your capitulation to foreign powers?

Under Bush you would be renditioned.

88 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:55:12pm

re: #85 Gus 802

THE ARMS, THE ARMS, MY GOD SHE'S SHOWING HER ARMS!

89 CarleeCork  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:55:14pm

re: #80 Linden Arden

New wingnut conspiracy theory - Obama is planning to seize your 401K!


What 401K??? You have a 401K???

Liberal.

90 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:55:15pm

Flygate

91 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:55:16pm

Pizzagate 1 and 2!

92 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:55:18pm

re: #86 freetoken

OBAMA CAN'T DECIDE ON A DOG!

93 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:55:43pm

re: #92 jaunte

OBAMA CAN'T DECIDE ON A DOG!

The Obama family doesn't have a DC church!

94 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:55:54pm

Terrorist fist jab!!!

95 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:56:07pm

re: #81 Reginald Perrin

I can't imagine living with such a closed mind.

If I won't change my beliefs and become a liberal I have a closed mind?

96 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:56:40pm

FLOTUS flies to Spain!

Alone!

Eleventy!

97 CarleeCork  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:56:48pm

Atheist!!!

MOOslim!!!

98 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:56:50pm

re: #94 CuriousLurker

Terrorist fist jab!!!

On the New Yorker cover!11!

99 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:57:20pm

Shit, listen to Limbaugh tomorrow for your updated repertoire.

100 CarleeCork  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:57:40pm

re: #92 jaunte

OBAMA CAN'T DECIDE ON A DOG!

Dyslexia? OBAMA CAN'T DECIDE ON A GOD!

101 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:57:56pm

Obama's going to take our guns!

102 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:58:06pm

re: #98 jaunte

On the New Yorker cover!11!

Oh, yeah--I forgot about that!

103 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:58:30pm

re: #102 CuriousLurker

New Yorker thrown under the bus!

104 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:58:54pm

The Texas Rangers have hit 2 HRs in the top of the 9th. It is now 10-3 and they still have no outs.

105 McSpiff  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:59:16pm

International Bankers! The Fed! They own Obama! THE FRENCH!

106 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:59:19pm

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

The Texas Rangers have hit 2 HRs in the top of the 9th. It is now 10-3 and they still have no outs.

life is sweet

107 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:59:27pm

Boy Scouts Jamboree--Obama didn't go!!!

108 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:59:34pm

MUSLIM MISSILE DEFENSE LOGOS!

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:59:36pm

re: #103 jaunte

New Yorker thrown under the bus!

EVERYTHING THROWN UNDER THE BUS! UNDER THE BUS! UNDER THE BUS! UNDER THE BUS!

And Jeremiah Wright said "God damn America!"

110 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 8:59:48pm

Fairness Doctrine!!!

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:00:00pm

Are we slightly more worked up than the occasion warrants?

112 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:00:09pm

re: #110 Gus 802

Fairness Doctrine!!!

Lol, haven't heard that in a while!

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:00:23pm

re: #110 Gus 802

Fairness Doctrine!!!

Oh yeah. That one went away. I noticed it when I was going through the election night threads.

114 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:00:27pm

Campbell's halal soup!!!11!!1!!

115 Jadespring  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:00:33pm

BUILD A WALL ALONG THE CANADIAN BORDER!! KEEP THE DAMN TERRORISTS OUT!!

116 CarleeCork  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:00:53pm

STOP OBAMA CARE NOW!!!!

/////

I hate Texas. GRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

117 Linden Arden  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:00:54pm

re: #110 Gus 802

Fairness Doctrine!!!

My cities local wingnut AM fuckstain, Neil Boortz, says its coming!

118 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:01:03pm

OBAMA YOUTH REGIMENT BRIGADES!

119 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:01:52pm

AIR FORCE ONE FOR THE DOG!

120 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:01:54pm

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

If I won't change my beliefs and become a liberal I have a closed mind?

If you continue to deny Global Warming after all the effort Charles has gone through to debunk the deniers, then yes, you do indeed have a closed mind.

121 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:02:03pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

It is a little surprising how much material there is once you start playing it back...

122 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:02:32pm

re: #110 Gus 802

Fairness Doctrine!!!

oooo! protect us from the evil fairness!

123 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:02:36pm

re: #121 jaunte

It is a little surprising how much material there is once you start playing it back...

Ain't it grand!

124 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:02:39pm

RULES FOR RADICALS!

125 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:02:56pm

re: #101 Gus 802

Obama's going to take our guns!

People clinging to their guns & Bible!

"Typical" white people!

126 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:02:58pm

The talk to kids. Do well, strive for greatness.

INDOCTRINATION.

Oh the bullshit memories.

127 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:03:08pm

re: #86 freetoken

OBAMA HATES DOGS!

THAT MEANS HE A SEKRIT MUSLIM! MUSLIMS HATE DOGS!

128 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:03:16pm

Mexican trucks! NAFTA highway!

129 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:03:18pm

Socialism! Communism! Marxism! Stalinism! Embolism!

130 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:03:39pm

re: #121 jaunte

It is a little surprising how much material there is once you start playing it back...

we have been witnessing the operation of the biggest horseshit factory in history

131 Linden Arden  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:03:45pm

And Beck is getting rich selling the wingnuttery fear, seeds, and gold-plated doubloons.

132 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:04:04pm

Mexican invasion!

133 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:04:16pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Are we slightly more worked up than the occasion warrants?

We obviously needed to vent a little, huh?

134 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:04:21pm

TRILATERAL COMMISSION!
Wait...
Wrong..
:P

135 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:04:40pm

re: #134 Varek Raith

TRILATERAL COMMISSION!
Wait...
Wrong..
:P

United Nations!!11ty

136 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:04:48pm

re: #132 Gus 802

Mexican invasion!

ZETAS

THEY ARE HERE

137 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:04:50pm

re: #130 engineer dog

Direct lift from Geller:
"anti-war agitation, anti-capitalism, Marx, Lenin, Ayers, Ellie Light activism, LGBT agenda promotion, global warming, pro-jihad, and illegal immigration"
AAAAIIIEEE!

138 webevintage  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:05:15pm

TEA....he asked for TEA!!!!

139 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:05:18pm

Asian Hispanic Muslims! Terrorist Anchor Babies?

140 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:05:30pm

re: #136 Stanley Sea

ZETAS

THEY ARE HERE

I thought I took care of them on their Mothership...

141 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:05:45pm

re: #137 jaunte

Direct lift from Geller:
"anti-war agitation, anti-capitalism, Marx, Lenin, Ayers, Ellie Light activism, LGBT agenda promotion, global warming, pro-jihad, and illegal immigration"
AAAIIIEEE!

oooh, I didn't know Pammie was anti LGBT too.

too.

142 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:06:58pm

O'RLY? TAITZ!

143 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:07:19pm

Kevin Jennings!

144 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:07:37pm

Muhammad X!

145 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:07:38pm

re: #101 Gus 802

Obama's going to take our guns!

There's a shortage of Ammo!
STOCKPILE!

146 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:08:00pm

re: #145 Floral Giraffe

There's a shortage of Ammo!
STOCKPILE!

10 dollar a gallon gasoline!

147 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:08:04pm

re: #125 CuriousLurker

People clinging to their guns & Bible!

"Typical" white people!

Arugula! Arugula! Michelle's 'fake' organic vegetables!

148 Linden Arden  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:08:07pm

re: #137 jaunte

Must ... fear.... Lesbian .... overthrow... of ...... USA.

149 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:08:14pm

First they came for the people making 250K or more a year and I did not speak up....

150 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:08:31pm

Third World Liberation Theology

Transnational Totalitarian Progressive Movement

Did anyone mention Messiah!!!11! ?

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:08:50pm

re: #136 Stanley Sea

ZETAS

THEY ARE HERE

In the Streets of Laredo!

Remember the lady who was hiding in her house from the Zetas?

Do you think she's come out yet?

152 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:08:51pm

CONTRAILS!!!

153 emcesq  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:08:51pm

Consider that in spite of "intelligent design" nutjobs abound...

154 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:09:01pm

Mom pants!!11ty

155 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:09:02pm

re: #145 Floral Giraffe

There's a shortage of Ammo!
STOCKPILE!

Wallmart got richer off these idiots.

156 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:09:09pm

re: #88 freetoken

THE ARMS, THE ARMS, MY GOD SHE'S SHOWING HER ARMS!

And her arms are sexy toned ones!
Aieeee!

157 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:09:21pm

Bicyclegate 1 and 2

158 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:09:34pm

re: #148 Linden Arden

Must ... fear... Lesbian ... overthrow... of ... USA.

Really? I think it would be kind of pleasant. Lots of acoustic guitar and comfortable shoes.

159 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:09:36pm

Anti-Colonialist mind set form his father!

160 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:10:15pm

re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist

In the Streets of Laredo!

Remember the lady who was hiding in her house from the Zetas?

Do you think she's come out yet?

I remember that night. It was fun actually from our perspective. Invasion of the US, happening NOW!!!!

161 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:10:17pm

re: #159 jamesfirecat

Anti-Colonialist mind set form his father!

I still can't figure that one out..

162 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:10:18pm

Obama's going to take over the banks!

163 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:10:24pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

CONTRAILS!!!

CHEMTRAILS!
OMG!
Stop breathing!

164 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:10:32pm

TRANZI PROGS

Hello!

165 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:10:34pm

Nationalization!

166 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:10:39pm

bottom of the 9th..Yankees are losing 10-3 and the stadium is almost empty..
Excuse me? you pay 2 grand for a ticket and you leave early?
I'll never understand the NY fan...Don't forget to pick up a copy of the Post in the morning on your way to work..
/

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:10:41pm

re: #159 jamesfirecat

Anti-Colonialist mind set form his father!

Where is the birth certificate? Where is another birth certificate? Where is a birth certificate conforming to a format I just made up?

Here's a birth certificate from a country that didn't exist at the time Barack Obama was born!

168 BlackFedora  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:10:53pm
Black people have lower IQs!

They'll quote you out of context and say, "This is what Charles Johnson thinks of black people."

169 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:11:06pm

Government Motors!

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:11:10pm

re: #162 Gus 802

Obama's going to take over the banks!

Obamacare!

171 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:11:29pm

Government Motors

172 Lidane  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:11:37pm

GOLD!
SEEDS!
OLIGARHY!
VACCINES ARE A GOVERNMENT MIND CONTROL PLOT!
9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!
ABE LINCOLN WAS WORSE THAN HITLER!
AUDIT THE FED!
BOOTSTRAPS!

173 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:11:56pm

Recreational fishing ban!!11ty

174 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:12:00pm

re: #166 HoosierHoops

bottom of the 9th..Yankees are losing 10-3 and the stadium is almost empty..
Excuse me? you pay 2 grand for a ticket and you leave early?
I'll never understand the NY fan...Don't forget to pick up a copy of the Post in the morning on your way to work..
/

traffic hell?

Shameful really, no excuse.

175 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:12:08pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

Obama's Illegal Alien Auntie!

176 Lidane  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:12:32pm

re: #161 Varek Raith

I still can't figure that one out..

It's Dinesh D'Souza, which means it's ignorant, racist, and incoherent. What more do you need to know?

177 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:12:47pm

OBAMA'S A SHAPE SHIFTING LIZARD ALIEN FROM ALPHA DRACONIS!

178 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:12:57pm

Hitler was a leftist

179 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:12:58pm

re: #173 Gus 802

Recreational fishing ban!!11ty

Thank you ESPN editors. They had to refudiate that one. After it was posted and fed all the baggers.

180 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:13:08pm

Michelle Obama's Beltgate 1, 2, 3, and 4!

181 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:13:17pm

ELITIST DIJON MUSTARD!

182 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:13:39pm

I needed to step away for a little bit. Where are we?

183 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:13:42pm

re: #178 Reginald Perrin

The Nazis were gays!

184 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:13:46pm

Epic thread of teh right wing crazee is epic.

185 Lidane  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:13:57pm

re: #181 bratwurst

ELITIST DIJON MUSTARD!

ARUGULA!

186 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:14:00pm

re: #169 Gus 802

I owe you a coke.

187 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:14:03pm

Texas is up 3-1 in the series now. The NY Yankees has some work ahead of them.

188 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:14:08pm

Oligarhy!

To the chalkboard!

189 Linden Arden  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:14:21pm

re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist

Really? I think it would be kind of pleasant. Lots of acoustic guitar and comfortable shoes.

I'm from Atlanta - have you heard of the Indigo Girls?

Just the thought of all those Subaru Outbacks and Plymouth Coupes scares the shit out of the good ole boys in their F-350's.

190 Jadespring  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:14:25pm

LEEKS!

191 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:14:49pm

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

Texas is up 3-1 in the series now. The NY Yankees has some work ahead of them.

MUHAHAHA!
Something to tease my mom over.
:)

192 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:14:50pm

Rockefeller Center haz teh Communist art!!

193 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:14:54pm

re: #180 Gus 802

Michelle Obama's Beltgate 1, 2, 3, and 4!

To that I respond with the website

[Link: mrs-o.org...]

194 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:15:14pm

Swords into plowshares iz teh Communist!

195 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:15:15pm

Wow. It's really amazing how much of this stuff there is, isn't it?

196 theheat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:15:32pm

It's all fun and games 'til the zombies come, and you have no guns to protect yourself, because Obama and Hillary took them away. Watch and wait. It's a'commin'.

197 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:15:39pm

Soros is the antichrist

198 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:15:50pm

Mooslims in teh Pentagon!

199 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:15:54pm

HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUSSEIN!

200 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:16:27pm

re: #196 theheat

It's all fun and games 'til the zombies come, and you have no guns to protect yourself, because Obama and Hillary took them away. Watch and wait. It's a'commin'.

Do what Mayor West did.
Fill the graves with cement!
"You'll thank me when zombies don't eat your brains"

201 Lidane  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:17:28pm

GOING GALT!

HALAL SOUP!

WHAT ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE?

202 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:17:42pm

re: #121 jaunte

It is a little surprising how much material there is once you start playing it back...

*hands jaunte the Understatement of the Year Award* ;o)

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:17:52pm

re: #189 Linden Arden

I'm from Atlanta - have you heard of the Indigo Girls?

Just the thought of all those Subaru Outbacks and Plymouth Coupes scares the shit out of the good ole boys in their F-350's.

I was a college girl in the nineties! Of course I know the Indigo Girls!

204 Batman  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:18:01pm

Pope Paul, Malcolm X, British politician sex
JFK, blown away, what else do I have to say
We didn't start the fire!

Wait, what are we doing?

205 theheat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:18:05pm

re: #200 Varek Raith

Nazi zombies. The worst.

206 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:18:24pm

re: #199 jaunte

HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUSSEIN!

Are we allowed to say that his middle name is Hussein?

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:18:35pm

re: #199 jaunte

HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUSSEIN!

He's not really black! He's an Arab!

208 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:18:41pm

COMMUNITY ORGANIZER!

209 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:18:44pm

Very bad one

Obama used campaign $ to visit his dying Grandmother.

Something along that line. It made me cringe then, and still.

210 garhighway  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:19:05pm

> The CRA caused the Housing Crisis!

> The stimulus was a union payoff!

211 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:19:14pm

THE NEW BLACK PANTHERS!!!1!!!!!1

212 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:19:15pm

Cash for clunkers computers are being used to spy on us!

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:19:15pm

re: #208 jaunte

COMMUNITY ORGANIZER!

Never held a job in his life.

214 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:19:33pm

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

I needed to step away for a little bit. Where are we?

HYBRID SEEDS!
Aieee!

215 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:19:37pm

Affirmative Action Nobel Prize!

216 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:19:57pm

re: #212 Gus 802

Cash for clunkers computers are being used to spy on us!

And steal our stuff, don't forget that!

217 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:20:04pm

re: #178 Reginald Perrin

Hitler was a leftist

I should point out that that idea is not original to the American Right. I first read that in the British Military Illustrated, in an article by Timothy Newark.

218 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:20:17pm

re: #214 Floral Giraffe

NON-HYBRID SEEDS!

219 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:20:19pm

WHERE THE FUCK IS HIS GRADUATE THESIS?

220 Batman  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:20:21pm

Did we get the Obama-blew-up-the-BP-oil-rig thing yet?

221 theheat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:20:28pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Worse, he sent money to Hamas. And subscribes to The Advocate. Hates apple pie. Hates babies. And bibles. And kittens.

222 Linden Arden  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:20:31pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

I was a college girl in the nineties! Of course I know the Indigo Girls!

Well, the good ole boys in Georgia think the Indigo Girls are trying to pull off a coup de twat!

223 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:20:46pm

re: #197 Reginald Perrin

Soros is the antichrist

Does that mean I can't cash my Soros check?
////

224 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:20:55pm

re: #220 nonsense

Did we get the Obama-blew-up-the-BP-oil-rig thing yet?

NO!

Good one!

225 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:21:05pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Very bad one

Obama used campaign $ to visit his dying Grandmother.

Something along that line. It made me cringe then, and still.

That's nothing -- several right wing blogs tried to claim that Obama KILLED his grandmother to get sympathy during the election.

226 webevintage  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:21:25pm

Reverend Wright!

227 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:21:27pm

38DDs!

228 darthstar  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:21:39pm

Yeah...for anyone still wondering if they should buy an iPhone...

229 theheat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:21:49pm

re: #225 Charles

Death panels! For realz!

230 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:21:55pm

re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist

He's not really black! He's an Arab!

Where's the Birth certificate????

231 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:22:01pm

re: #225 Charles

That's nothing -- several right wing blogs tried to claim that Obama KILLED his grandmother to get sympathy during the election.

Oh the bliss of being unaware.

232 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:22:02pm

Flag pin!

233 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:22:33pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

I was a college girl in the nineties! Of course I know the Indigo Girls!

I was at a party once in Napa Valley where somebody said..( I won't say who)
That the Indigo girls don't like each other ..Just business...I found that always hard to believe...But I consider the source.. It may well be true

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:22:35pm

re: #227 freetoken

38DDs!

???

235 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:22:41pm

NO HAND OVER HEART DURING PLEDGE

236 Batman  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:22:44pm

re: #225 Charles

That's nothing -- several right wing blogs tried to claim that Obama KILLED his grandmother to get sympathy during the election.

I hadn't heard that one before. That's a new low. Or old new low. New old low?

237 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:22:47pm

re: #225 Charles

That's nothing -- several right wing blogs tried to claim that Obama KILLED his grandmother to get sympathy during the election.

And he liked it so much he set up death panels to kill everybody's grandmother

238 Lidane  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:22:55pm

Teleprompters!!!11!!11!eleventy!1!!

239 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:22:57pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

???

OBAMA IS A SMACKDADDY!

240 theheat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:23:00pm

re: #235 Varek Raith

No heart!

241 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:23:02pm

Oval Office redecoration! The rug is WRONG.

242 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:23:05pm

Obama's press conferences:
- too seldom
- too few
- too long
- too short
- too complicated answers

243 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:23:15pm

Obama is the 12th Imam!!111ty

244 funky chicken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:23:34pm

re: #6 Gus 802

Hey, I'm still all for "drill here, drill now."

Charles, it's nice to see that you're making money from PalinPAC--I hope you're charging them a premium.

245 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:23:36pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

I should point out that that idea is not original to the American Right. I first read that in the British Military Illustrated, in an article by Timothy Newark.

Actually, that article was the second time Tim Newark had teed off on Socialism in MI's pages. It's a military history magazine, but those articles read like something titled "Why I am a Tory" at times. That didn't bother me, but it likely browned off Labor supporters.

246 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:24:16pm

Obama's a leering pervert!!!!11!!

247 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:24:43pm

re: #243 Gus 802

Obama is the 12th Imam!!111ty

OK, that's officially over-the-top. ;)

248 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:24:46pm

re: #243 Gus 802

Obama is the 12th Imam!!111ty


Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad know?

249 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:24:59pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

You are fighting a lost cause, there is no parallel between the current progressives and the National Socialists.

250 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:25:04pm

re: #247 Dark_Falcon

OK, that's officially over-the-top. ;)

World Net Daily!

251 Lidane  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:25:05pm

re: #235 Varek Raith

NO HAND OVER HEART DURING PLEDGE

Heh:

[Link: politicalhumor.about.com...]

252 Linden Arden  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:25:16pm

Has a wingnut claimed that Soros is funding LGF like he is behind every other website that doesn't do the teabag?

253 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:25:41pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

Actually, that article was the second time Tim Newark had teed off on Socialism in MI's pages. It's a military history magazine, but those articles read like something titled "Why I am a Tory" at times. That didn't bother me, but it likely browned off Labor supporters.

I'm guessing they're a little less pro-Tory after the latest budget cuts.

254 webevintage  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:25:58pm

re: #246 Amory Blaine

Obama's a leering pervert!!!11!!

Sarkozy sure was checking her out...

255 Lidane  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:26:24pm

re: #252 Linden Arden

It's only a matter of time. That or Charles is secretly a Muslim who is funded by Al Qaeda. I'm waiting for the stalkers to pull that one out.

256 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:26:25pm

There's more.

There's really more. Think about it harder.

Unbelievable. This is a save it thread.

257 FreedomMoon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:26:30pm

Teh gheys!! They're recruiting our youth! Argh!!

258 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:26:57pm

re: #257 tacuba14

Oldie but a goodie :)

259 webevintage  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:27:14pm

re: #244 funky chicken

Hey, I'm still all for "drill here, drill now."

Charles, it's nice to see that you're making money from PalinPAC--I hope you're charging them a premium.

If I click on the ads does Charles get more money?

260 Vambo  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:27:21pm

Elvira: she's not a witch... she's you. except with bigger t!ts.

Youtube Video
261 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:27:23pm

re: #251 Lidane

Heh:

[Link: politicalhumor.about.com...]

I'm guessing he took the "the way to a man's heart is through his stomach" idea literally.

262 theheat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:27:30pm

My great-great-great grandchildren are already in debt before they're even zygotes!

263 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:27:58pm

re: #225 Charles

That's nothing -- several right wing blogs tried to claim that Obama KILLED his grandmother to get sympathy during the election.

That's sick. I never heard that one.

264 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:28:23pm

re: #249 Reginald Perrin

You are fighting a lost cause, there is no parallel between the current progressives and the National Socialists.

I don't agree with that idea anymore (at first I did). I was just pointing out that it is not just a US idea, it has appeared across the pond, too.

265 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:28:29pm

re: #246 Amory Blaine

Obama's a leering pervert!!!11!!

I would too...
*Ducks*

266 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:28:31pm

Obama refused to sign the Eagle Scout certificates!

267 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:28:45pm

re: #255 Lidane

It's only a matter of time. That or Charles is secretly a Muslim who is funded by Al Qaeda Gore.

FTFY. :D

268 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:28:46pm

re: #253 Kruk

I'm guessing they're a little less pro-Tory after the latest budget cuts.

True that.

269 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:29:08pm

May I?

[Link: www.conservativeedge.com...]

Oh the horror!

270 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:29:33pm

re: #262 theheat

My great-great-great grandchildren are already in debt before they're even zygotes!

That one is actually true, sad to say.

271 webevintage  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:29:56pm

Oh, from yesterday....
Obama is the Fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse, Death, and he brought hell with him to DC.
Que the crazy satanic music.....

(I still think that ad is hi-larious)

272 Lidane  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:30:34pm

re: #267 Kruk

Or maybe he's secretly funded by ACORN and Arianna Huffington. Where's the proof he's not? I'm just asking questions, don'tcha know.

/Beck

273 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:30:38pm

re: #271 webevintage

Oh, from yesterday...
Obama is the Fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse, Death, and he brought hell with him to DC.
Que the crazy satanic music...

(I still think that ad is hi-larious)

I name my four planet killers armed with stellar converters after the 4 Horsemen...

274 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:31:05pm

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

I don't agree with that idea anymore (at first I did). I was just pointing out that it is not just a US idea, it has appeared across the pond, too.

I don't care where an idea was first established so much as who is currently espousing it.

275 FreedomMoon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:31:13pm

re: #266 Gus 802

Obama hates boy scouts! He wants to recruit our youth to the dreaded peace corp to carry out the death panels!!

276 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:32:16pm

re: #274 jamesfirecat

I don't care where an idea was first established so much as who is currently espousing it.

Fair enough. I just thought it worthy of mention.

277 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:32:18pm

re: #271 webevintage

Oh, from yesterday...
Obama is the Fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse, Death, and he brought hell with him to DC.
Que the crazy satanic music...

(I still think that ad is hi-larious)

I played the ad backwards...It kept saying Paul is dead..Paul is dead..
Wonder what that means?

278 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:32:49pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Fair enough. I just thought it worthy of mention.

It is interesting info though, thanks.

279 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:32:59pm

re: #275 tacuba14

re: #266 Gus 802

GIRL SCOUTS ARE SEDUCING OUR DAUGHTERS TO BECOME LESBIANS!

280 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:33:15pm

re: #129 Charles

Socialism! Communism! Marxism! Stalinism! Embolism!

I think that the stalkers and flouncers have had many of those...

281 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:33:53pm

re: #273 Varek Raith

I name my four planet killers armed with stellar converters after the 4 Horsemen...

Guy I knew played a cleric/mage named Coitus. We'd always try to disrupt her spell casting and claim it was a case of Coitus interruptus.

Yeah, we were dorks.

282 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:34:09pm

re: #279 freetoken

re: #266 Gus 802

GIRL SCOUTS ARE SEDUCING OUR DAUGHTERS TO BECOME LESBIANS!

Image: girl-scout-cookies.jpg

283 theheat  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:34:25pm

Horror movies are on. This is my month. All for me, all about me. I gotta suck up all the scariness I can in October to fortify myself to begin the annual War on Christmas, come November 1st. I have a pumpkin latte and the terrier is waiting for me to watch TV with her.

You guys will have to defend America against all enemies of the Constitution in my absence. [slurps latte]

284 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:34:50pm

re: #282 Varek Raith

Image: girl-scout-cookies.jpg

Haha awesome.

285 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:35:20pm

Whew. That CENSUS crap went on for almost 4 months.

286 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:35:22pm

re: #283 theheat

Latte drinkinking liberals!

287 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:37:05pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Whew. That CENSUS crap went on for almost 4 months.

Out of all the craziness, the missile defense logo still makes me LMFAO.

288 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:37:06pm

General...

War on Christmas Parts 1 through 40!

289 FreedomMoon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:37:29pm

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Haha awesome.


Just the kind of girl to carry out death panel sentencing.
"Sorry gramps we just can't afford your meds, you've come to end of the rope."

290 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:37:33pm

re: #283 theheat

Horror movies are on. This is my month. All for me, all about me. I gotta suck up all the scariness I can in October to fortify myself to begin the annual War on Christmas, come November 1st. I have a pumpkin latte and the terrier is waiting for me to watch TV with her.

You guys will have to defend America against all enemies of the Constitution in my absence. [slurps latte]

Bonus points for Vincent Price films.
The VCR is your friend!

291 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:37:47pm

re: #277 HoosierHoops

I played the ad backwards...It kept saying Paul is dead..Paul is dead..
Wonder what that means?

It means you are the Walrus! :D

292 Virginia Plain  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:37:50pm

The EDL are freedom fighters.

Pamela Geller is a civil rights activist!

293 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:37:59pm

re: #290 Floral Giraffe

Bonus points for Vincent Price films.
The VCR is your friend!

WTF is a "VCR"?!

294 Lidane  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:38:00pm

re: #287 Varek Raith

For me, it's the halal soup. That was hilarious.

295 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:38:37pm

Maybe we can build this tower of BABBLE up to GOD himself!!!!

296 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:38:55pm

re: #295 Amory Blaine

Maybe we can build this tower of BABBLE up to GOD himself!!!

He'd be pissed.
XD

297 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:39:12pm

re: #282 Varek Raith

WHO took that picture of my niece?
///
It could be her, I swear!

298 Jadespring  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:39:52pm

re: #293 Varek Raith

WTF is a "VCR"?!

ancient technology from pioneer times

299 Virginia Plain  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:40:17pm

We shouldn't have government healthcare because it will reduce quality (although I must say I get pretty decent care from military hospitals, because I have Tricare).

Death panalss!!!!!

(sobbing) I want my country back!

300 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:40:18pm

re: #297 Floral Giraffe

WHO took that picture of my niece?
///
It could be her, I swear!

Be wary.
Be. Wary.
/

301 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:40:18pm

Oh, man, that was fun. After midnight here--gotta go.

Nite, lizards.

302 Lidane  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:40:50pm

re: #299 Virginia Plain

KEEP YOUR GRUBBY GOVERNMENT MITTS OFF MY MEDICARE!

303 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:41:10pm

BOMBSHELL: Obama conclusively proven to be a CIA creation

304 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:41:27pm

re: #302 Lidane

TAXES ARE SLAVERY!

305 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:41:53pm

re: #293 Varek Raith

LOL!
You know, and are unwilling!
Snap this collar about your neck!

306 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:42:34pm

re: #25 jamesfirecat

You shall not crucify us upon a cross of gold!

Upding for a rare (but appropriate) William Jennings Bryan reference.

307 CarleeCork  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:42:37pm

re: #282 Varek Raith

Image: girl-scout-cookies.jpg


Too funny.

308 webevintage  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:42:52pm

I WaNT my CounTRY BaCk

309 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:43:53pm

re: #303 negativ

BOMBSHELL: Obama conclusively proven to be a CIA creation

Fucking a. That just pisses me off. 2 years later.

310 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:44:40pm

re: #299 Virginia Plain

I worked my butt off so I could get medical care! I don't want anyone else to have it because that would make my work meaningless!

311 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:44:51pm

Obama "Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty" to Communists

Youtube Video
312 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:44:58pm

We came unarmed this time!

313 Jadespring  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:45:40pm

re: #303 negativ

BOMBSHELL: Obama conclusively proven to be a CIA creation

FFS

314 FreedomMoon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:45:53pm

re: #312 jaunte

We came unarmed this time!

LOLOLOL That one really cracked me up hehe

315 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:46:54pm

re: #312 jaunte

It's time to water the tree of liberty!!!1111

316 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:46:57pm

That was fun but disturbing and sad as well.

317 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:47:19pm

Fox News reveals Obama administration has sinister plan to ________ .

318 webevintage  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:47:34pm

Good times guys but the ambien is kicking in and unlike some folks who have crazy sex when taking it (hubby haz a sad) I cannot be near a computer or I buy stuff.
Night!

319 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:47:44pm

Later gators!

320 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:47:57pm

Good night. all.
Keep fighting the good fight.
Exposing the truth!
And, whacking away at the Trolls!
Hasta Manana!

321 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:48:02pm

re: #317 Gus 802

Fox News reveals Obama administration has sinister plan to ___ .

ODS Madlibs!!!!

322 Jadespring  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:48:38pm

re: #309 Stanley Sea

Fucking a. That just pisses me off. 2 years later.

I skimmed this link. Not that I believe it or anything but hypothetically if it was true I think it makes him seem way more cool. Like an awesome spook novel for real!

323 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:48:54pm

re: #318 webevintage

lol :)

324 FreedomMoon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:50:21pm

re: #320 Floral Giraffe


Hasta Manana!

Noooos! The illegals have even penetrated our speech! We must emulate East Germany before it's too late, it's our only hope!!

325 jaunte  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:51:56pm

Goodnight all.

Don't take any wooden outrages.

326 Lidane  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:53:21pm

Adios, Lizards. I need sleep if I'm going to be productive at all tomorrow.

327 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:55:09pm

re: #324 tacuba14

Nooos! The illegals have even penetrated our speech! We must emulate East Germany before it's too late, it's our only hope!!

No, it's Pinochet we must emulate! East Germany was COMMUNIST!!1

/Not entirely kidding. Rodan pushes the Pinochet meme on the Stalker blog semi-frequently.

328 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:55:46pm

re: #324 tacuba14

Nooos! The illegals have even penetrated our speech! We must emulate East Germany before it's too late, it's our only hope!!

It's already tooooooooo laaaaaateeeee!

329 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:55:54pm

Nostradamus Barack Hussein Obama Prophecy!

Youtube Video
330 Gus  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:56:04pm

Time to watch House then sleep.

Night all.

331 JRCMYP  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:56:23pm

I was feeling all crappy and sad tonight, and couldn't sleep. But, behold! The Lizards from the Webs made me feel okay again!

11TY! and Good night!

332 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:56:42pm

So this is how liberty dies.....with thunderous applause.

333 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:57:34pm

re: #331 JRCMYP

I was feeling all crappy and sad tonight, and couldn't sleep. But, behold! The Lizards from the Webs made me feel okay again!

11TY! and Good night!

Wor. This site has saved my sanity and/or marriage a few times.

334 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:59:25pm

My God, it's full of stars!

335 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:59:54pm

re: #260 Vambo

Great ad.

re: #284 HappyWarrior

When I was in my thirties and forties, I bought a box of Girl Scout cookies every time one of my friends (or their daughters) asked. Just playing it safe!

re: #256 Stanley Sea

There's more.

There's really more. Think about it harder.

Unbelievable. This is a save it thread.

Indeed. All those things "proving" that President Obama is evil, Muslim, socialist, fascist, Nazi, Communist...

Crap like that has me tempted to vote for the President in 2012. I'll be voting in my tenth Presidential election, and perhaps finally a reason to vote for the Democrat!

336 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:05:25pm

re: #327 Dark_Falcon

No, it's Pinochet we must emulate! East Germany was COMMUNIST!!1

/Not entirely kidding. Rodan pushes the Pinochet meme on the Stalker blog semi-frequently.

And don't forget, (spit), their recurrent little fantasy that Srbrenica was a DEFENSIVE massacre, carried out against jihadists.

337 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:06:42pm

re: #332 Kruk

So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause.

Why do they always use that one? It's not even a good movie!

338 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:07:40pm

BTW, did anyone here follow up on this story today?

Joe Miller's private "guards" were active-duty military

Was Joe Miller required to bring a security detail to his town hall meeting Sunday at Central Middle School?

That's what Miller, the Republican Senate candidate, told two national cable news networks Monday in the wake of the arrest by his security squad of an online journalist at his public event.

But the school district said there was no such requirement made of Miller . . . "We do not require users to hire security," she said. . . .

Meanwhile, the Army says that two of the guards who assisted in the arrest of the journalist and who tried to prevent two other reporters from filming the detention were active-duty soldiers moonlighting for Miller's security contractor, the Drop Zone, a Spenard surplus store and protection service.

339 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:13:10pm

Wonder how much it cost taxpayers to train those guards.

340 Usually refered to as anyways  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:13:27pm

Obama is using the census acorn and GPS's to pin point our location for the internment camps.

341 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:14:10pm

Obit of the day:

TOM BOSLEY OF "HAPPY DAYS" DIES

342 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:14:10pm

This is a pretty fucked up thing to do...

'Hang them': Uganda paper publishes photos of gays


KAMPALA, Uganda -- The front-page newspaper story featured a list of Uganda's 100 "top" homosexuals, with a bright yellow banner across it that read: "Hang Them." Alongside their photos were the men's names and addresses.

In the days since it was published, at least four gay Ugandans on the list have been attacked and many others are in hiding, according to rights activist Julian Onziema. One person named in the story had stones thrown at his house by neighbors.

343 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:14:47pm

re: #341 freetoken

Obit of the day:

TOM BOSLEY OF "HAPPY DAYS" DIES

Aww, man...that sucks. RIP Tom!

344 Linden Arden  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:14:51pm

no - life dies with a whimper - not a bang.

(stolen from one of the greats)

345 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:19:10pm

re: #342 NJDhockeyfan

I wonder if the AFA will defend this?

346 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:20:50pm

re: #338 freetoken

BTW, did anyone here follow up on this story today?

Joe Miller's private "guards" were active-duty military

Well.

347 Linden Arden  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:20:52pm

re: #345 freetoken

what is a "freetoken"?

348 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:29:20pm

re: #324 tacuba14

Nooos! The illegals have even penetrated our speech! We must emulate East Germany before it's too late, it's our only hope!!

No, it's Pinochet we must emulate! East Germany was COMMUNIST!!1

/Not entirely kidding. Rodan pushes the Pinochet meme on the Stalker blog semi-frequently.re: #336 SanFranciscoZionist

And don't forget, (spit), their recurrent little fantasy that Srbrenica was a DEFENSIVE massacre, carried out against jihadists.

True, and truly sick. It's part of their recurrent attempt to 'rehabilitate' what I'm going to call the "Greater Serbia cause".

349 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:32:12pm

re: #345 freetoken

I wonder if the AFA will defend this?

No, they won't. They'll just ignore it.

350 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:37:03pm

Goodnight, all.

351 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:37:08pm

re: #337 SanFranciscoZionist

Why do they always use that one? It's not even a good movie!

They think it's the height of wit. They've also taken to quoting Watchmen recently:

The people will cry out "Save us!", and I'll whisper "No".

352 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:39:12pm

re: #347 Linden Arden

what is a "freetoken"?

A lover of Haagen Dazs Chocolate Chocolate Chip ice cream.

353 palomino  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:40:59pm

Obama has raised all our taxes!

(Actually 95% of us got a tax cut, and any increase will be only on the top 2%. But why should facts interfere with hysterical talking points?)

354 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:44:33pm

re: #345 freetoken

I wonder if the AFA will defend this?

Since there are people who support putting the names and addresses on a 'list which is not in the slightest bit a hit list' (TM), I'm guessing there are people who would indeed be twisted enough to defend this.

355 Kruk  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:48:12pm

re: #353 palomino

Obama has raised all our taxes!

(Actually 95% of us got a tax cut, and any increase will be only on the top 2%. But why should facts interfere with hysterical talking points?)

Many people who are not in that tax bracket still feel the pain. Why? Because they believe they'll be in the 0.0001% of the middle class who gets there, and they don't want any problems when they get there.

"Ferengi American workers don't to stop the exploitation. They want to become the exploiters".

356 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:50:03pm

Sheesh. See this yet?

Youtube Video
357 freetoken  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:50:59pm

re: #356 Amory Blaine

Look at the front page...

358 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:51:57pm

LOL Hurpa derp. Sorry.

359 Henchman 25  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 12:14:21am

BARRY!!1

BACON JESUS!! ....wait

360 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 12:21:28am

re: #355 Kruk

Many people who are not in that tax bracket still feel the pain. Why? Because they believe they'll be in the 0.0001% of the middle class who gets there, and they don't want any problems when they get there.

"Ferengi American workers don't to stop the exploitation. They want to become the exploiters".

Which is sorta like middle class Americans worrying about whether the new Mercedes AMG E class will be 510 hp or 545hp, sorta like counting your eggs before the chicken even exists

361 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 12:28:28am

But those tax increases for the upper 0.0001% will go to create jobs, and it will hurt us all.

That is the basis of trickle-down theory. It trickles down thier legs and we lap it up...

362 Laughing Gas  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 12:47:19am
Black people have lower IQs!

It's funny; the people who claim this and make it a central point of their beliefs/arguments often use Darwin's theory to back them up (Steve Sailer and the like).

363 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 12:49:27am

re: #362 Juice

It's funny; the people who claim this and make it a central point of their beliefs/arguments often use Darwin's theory to back them up (Steve Sailer and the like).


In their eyes, Social Darwinism and Evolution are separate issues.

364 sagehen  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:20:27am

I'm on a complete mashup kick this month. So here's today's offering (which I wish I'd had the other day when we were doing 70's rock)...

Led Zeppelin v. Black Sabbath

Youtube Video
365 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:39:30am
MP3 Audio
366 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:47:29am

Government daycare penalizes traditional marriage!

Some people on this blog and their crazy ass attitudes, it's enough to give me the bends

367 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:48:48am

We must reunite Church and State in order to stop the spread of Sharia Law!!!

368 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:48:51am

re: #366 WindUpBird

Here... relax and enjoy...

MP3 Audio
369 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:49:28am

re: #367 ralphieboy

Nominate for a rotating title!

370 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:59:44am

re: #369 freetoken


And the Canadians have voted for a Muslim mayor in Calgary: what's next, the RCMT (Royal Canadian Mouted Taliban)?

371 EdDantes  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:00:52am

re: #367 ralphieboy

We must reunite Church and State in order to stop the spread of Sharia Law!!!

Reminds me of a bumper sticker from 1972: "Fighting to end war is like balling to end love."

372 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:04:39am

re: #370 ralphieboy

And the Canadians have voted for a Muslim mayor in Calgary: what's next,...?

Bilingual nation!

MP3 Audio
373 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:06:33am

This is formidable, man...

Youtube Video
374 EdDantes  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:12:57am

re: #373 ralphieboy

I saw him sing this on a tv show circa 1970. He needs be better known. I am glad you have heard of him.

Youtube Video
375 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:15:02am

"What's up Wastelanders?"

376 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:16:07am

Heard him on the radio while driving in France, started making up my own lines, nearly ran into a ditch....

"You are a lousy lay, a lay miserable..."

377 Gus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:17:21am

re: #369 freetoken

Nominate for a rotating title!

Damn FT. I was looking through that thread from 2004 you posted downstairs. Cripes some of those comments are out of this world. Lots of Kerry derangement which led me to check some of those old allegation on Kerry at Snopes. Here's a couple.

Urban Legends Reference - John Kerry

Claim: Photograph show Senator John Kerry and Jane Fonda sharing a speaker's platform at anti-war rally.

Status: False

Check out the flagrant Photoshoping the did utilizing two different photos of Kerry and Fonda. Of course, it's from 2004. The Guardian picked up on it in 2004. Oddly enough it's still being passed around the internet and has become an urban legend -- it is fautograhphy.

Then we have the infamous Kerry service record.

Service Mettle

Claim: John Kerry's Vietnam War service medals (a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts) were earned under "fishy" circumstances.

State: False

378 Quant  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:19:35am

re: #16 webevintage

Buy Gold!


Food insurance?

379 EdDantes  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:21:54am

re: #378 Quant

Buy gold! (ten years ago).

380 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:23:19am

re: #377 Gus 802


People did not like Kerry, even the folks who supported his candidacy could not warm to him as a person.

So all the poo they flung at him stuck.

It backfired on Obama. Except for frothing moron racists, most folks found Obama an erudite, educated and generally likeable person. The smear campaign against him backfired on the GOP.

381 Quant  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:25:28am

re: #379 EdDantes

Buy gold! (ten years ago).


Quite right. :D

382 Gus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:25:41am

re: #375 Varek Raith

"What's up Wastelanders?"

I should have been sleeping. Watched House, NCIS, and several Hitchcock Presents then took a peek at LGF Spy. Saw something Freetoken posted and was transported back to a weird thread from 2004. Those commentators from 2004 would give the Hitchcock characters a run for their money.

Otherwise here's something to down ding.

383 Gus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:30:07am

re: #380 ralphieboy

People did not like Kerry, even the folks who supported his candidacy could not warm to him as a person.

So all the poo they flung at him stuck.

It backfired on Obama. Except for frothing moron racists, most folks found Obama an erudite, educated and generally likeable person. The smear campaign against him backfired on the GOP.

Yeah. Although I think much has changed in the past 6 years. The internet is more fluid. I think a lot of the urban myths about Kerry would have been more quickly and firmly debunked. It still would have been like talking to the wall much like it is today. Of course one does have to admit that a lot of poo was also flung at Bush. Thinking back though Kerry sure had a lot of poo flung at him.

384 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:30:56am
MP3 Audio
385 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:34:00am

re: #383 Gus 802

Of course one does have to admit that a lot of poo was also flung at Bush.

But he also had the trait of being likeable to a lot of people who did not necessarily support his politics. We cannot misunderestimate the role that personality plays in a politician's career.

386 Gus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:38:18am

re: #385 ralphieboy

But he also had the trait of being likeable to a lot of people who did not necessarily support his politics. We cannot misunderestimate the role that personality plays in a politician's career.

I know. I sort of fell victim to that too although never to the extreme end. Frankly, having listened to Kerry more than a few times, he's a very sharp man. It's a cliche but people need to think more with their heads than with their heart.

387 Quant  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:39:17am

I've just discovered that I can upding. I thought I had to wait until I had made 50 comments. At the rate I post, that would be in few years time!

388 EdDantes  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:39:39am

re: #385 ralphieboy

A classic example is FDR. He accomplished nothing regarding the depression, but he was so optimistic and his voice on the radio was so soothing he easily won re-election.

389 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:39:56am

re: #385 ralphieboy

No kidding. Kerry came off as very much not a common person, a bit distant and strange (e.g., his wife.) GWB at times seemed to be forced in outreach, but at other times quite friendly. BHO can come across as a bit over-windy, but likable.

390 washsox  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:41:07am

'With your continued ripping of the right wing, noticed a drop-off in traffic? Don’t worry, your left wing buddies will make up the difference, I haven’t been here in 2 months, just thought I’d shoot you a message. Goodnight liberal. Bill'

Hey Bill,
We filthy liberals and Mr. Johnson don't need your type around these parts. Your side is dying a very slow and agonizing death, and it is a joy to see. Go back to worshiping Billo and Coultergeist and Lonesome Rhodes Beck and Lush Limpbowel and $i$ter Sarah. Know your role as a dutiful little G NO P 'Don't Tread On Me' teabagging sheep that you are and will always be. It is braindead neocons like yourself that will spell the end of the RepubliCON Party.

391 Gus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:41:51am

re: #390 washsox

Coultergeist!

392 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:42:04am

re: #382 Gus 802

I should have been sleeping. Watched House, NCIS, and several Hitchcock Presents then took a peek at LGF Spy. Saw something Freetoken posted and was transported back to a weird thread from 2004. Those commentators from 2004 would give the Hitchcock characters a run for their money.

Otherwise here's something to down ding.

As soon as I down dinged...


Karma: -4

pummy

This user is blocked.

Registered since: Sep 17, 2004 at 11:23 am
No. of comments posted: 46
No. of Pages posted: 0

Lol.

393 Gus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:42:46am

re: #392 Varek Raith

As soon as I down dinged...

Lol.

Stinky works in mysterious ways.

394 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:43:35am

re: #393 Gus 802

Stinky works in mysterious ways.

That.
OR, I have the ability to block accounts upon a downding!
MUHAHAH*cough*haha...

395 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:48:51am

re: #386 Gus 802

I know. I sort of fell victim to that too although never to the extreme end. Frankly, having listened to Kerry more than a few times, he's a very sharp man. It's a cliche but people need to think more with their heads than with their heart.


Ronald Reagan had it in spades, as did JFK, Tony Blair and any number of other charismatic, popular politicians. You just gotta like 'em no matter what they actually do or fail to do.

396 EdDantes  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:49:56am

re: #392 Varek Raith

What did that miscreant say, pray tell?

397 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:52:03am

re: #395 ralphieboy

Ronald Reagan had it in spades, as did JFK, Tony Blair and any number of other charismatic, popular politicians. You just gotta like 'em no matter what they actually do or fail to do.

I have an innate distrust for charismatic people.
They're like morning people, I can't stand em!
:)

398 Gus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:55:26am

re: #395 ralphieboy

Ronald Reagan had it in spades, as did JFK, Tony Blair and any number of other charismatic, popular politicians. You just gotta like 'em no matter what they actually do or fail to do.

Cult of personality. I've seen it happen in work environments who are put into leadership positions. The tradition was to also hire those with height -- i.e. the tall ones. People that are the biggest idiots in the world that know how to manipulate people with their personality can get ahead faster and farther than those that are quiet yet have far more talent and intellect. In a way then it become advancement as through audition were people are chosen not because of their abilities but their ability to act.

399 sagehen  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:58:13am

re: #390 washsox

'With your continued ripping of the right wing, noticed a drop-off in traffic? Don’t worry, your left wing buddies will make up the difference, I haven’t been here in 2 months, just thought I’d shoot you a message. Goodnight liberal. Bill'

Hey Bill,
We filthy liberals and Mr. Johnson don't need your type around these parts. Your side is dying a very slow and agonizing death, and it is a joy to see. Go back to worshiping Billo and Coultergeist and Lonesome Rhodes Beck and Lush Limpbowel and $i$ter Sarah. Know your role as a dutiful little G NO P 'Don't Tread On Me' teabagging sheep that you are and will always be. It is braindead neocons like yourself that will spell the end of the RepubliCON Party.

Wow. Somebody's a big Olbermann fan.

400 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:58:15am

re: #398 Gus 802

... the biggest idiots in the world that know how to manipulate people with their personality can get ahead faster and farther ...

As tribal apes, we tend to like that sort of thing. Like it or not, it's part of the package that goes under the heading of "leader." Ideally, though, the leader will have something more than just that in the tank.

401 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:59:47am

I am 6'4".
BOW BEFORE ME, PEASANTS!

402 Gus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:02:06am

re: #400 freetoken

As tribal apes, we tend to like that sort of thing. Like it or not, it's part of the package that goes under the heading of "leader." Ideally, though, the leader will have something more than just that in the tank.

Which means in many ways it's hardwired through evolution. It's based on survival in the wilds. But that's not required anymore. We don't need 7 foot tall men that can fight off the attacking bear -- so to speak. Makes me sick though when I see it. Every one will listen to the tall idiot. Which is not to say that tall people are idiots but it works out that way in comparison with others in the group.

403 EdDantes  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:03:16am

re: #401 Varek Raith

I am 6'4".
BOW BEFORE ME, PEASANTS!

Peasant! It's a dead giveaway! You all heard him!

404 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:04:53am

re: #402 Gus 802

Every one will listen to the tall idiot.

re: #401 Varek Raith

I am 6'4".
BOW BEFORE ME, PEASANTS!

Umm... er... eek...

405 Gus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:11:02am

re: #404 freetoken

re: #401 Varek Raith

Umm... er... eek...

Well, we're getting more away from that in many respects. Perhaps not so much in politics where people respond to the more shallow primitive regions of the brains -- i.e. physical traits.

406 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:12:46am

re: #398 Gus 802

Cult of personality. I've seen it happen in work environments who are put into leadership positions. The tradition was to also hire those with height -- i.e. the tall ones.

And they have "manager hair", full and bushy, it turns gray with age, like a silverback gorilla.

But face it, as humans, we respond to visual signals like height and body shape when assessing others, or in the case of males, to breast size of women.

407 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:13:20am

re: #404 freetoken

re: #401 Varek Raith

Umm... er... eek...

"I proved them!"

408 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:13:23am

re: #390 washsox

That's a really weird use of the word 'neocon'.

409 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:14:15am

Do not forget that in the Middle Ages, members of the nobility were physically larger than the peasants because they were better nourished and did not perform debilitating manual labo(u)r.

Now it is the lower classes who are obese, while the upper classes play tennis.

410 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:18:18am

re: #406 ralphieboy

Absolutely correct.

At my old work, I had a coworker who was very bright, hardworking, had a position one step higher in the company than I did. He had tons of great ideas.

He also was about five foot four, and had a somewhat childish appearance and a week, reedy voice due to a hormonal treatment he'd received for Crohns Disease when he was young.

When he really wanted an idea to get listened to, he'd come to me to ask me to promulgate it. I'm six feet tall, and have a very loud, strong voice. He could say the exact same thing at a producer meeting that I'd say the next week, but nobody would listen to him. They'd listen to me.

It is sad-- but, on the other hand, that example also shows humans climbing above animality; he was able to make common cause with me, and 'borrow' my social status in order to get his message out.

Tsongas would have made a great president. But he was penalized, from the start, for being short and having a receding chin.

411 Gus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:18:25am

re: #409 ralphieboy

Do not forget that in the Middle Ages, members of the nobility were physically larger than the peasants because they were better nourished and did not perform debilitating manual labo(u)r.

Now it is the lower classes who are obese, while the upper classes play tennis.

They used to play tennis, have cocktail parties, and smoke cigarettes.

412 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:22:09am

My main reason for appreciating Tsongas:

When asked why he didn't have a tax cut plan like the other candidates, Tsongas famously responded "I'm not Santa Claus."

Holy crap, a candidate who treated the American people like adults and not children. What a shocker.

413 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:26:26am

re: #412 Obdicut

My main reason for appreciating Tsongas:

Holy crap, a candidate who treated the American people like adults and not children. What a shocker.

SUCH CONTEMPT FOR THE TAXPAYER!
/Wingnut talking point.

414 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:26:47am

re: #412 Obdicut

As we see in some of Obama's speeches, Presidents have to address the nation using approx 10th grade (16 yo language) vocabulary or they just loose half their audience.

GWB tended to use short sentences... when he had complete sentences, that is.

RWR spoke at times with a cadence like he was reciting poetry and used catch phrases with abandon.

And so on. Just don't look to a President for an intellectually stimulating oratory. The speeches are designed to elicit emotion, and particular emotions at that.

Democracy - it is what it is.

415 Gus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:28:02am

re: #412 Obdicut

My main reason for appreciating Tsongas:

Holy crap, a candidate who treated the American people like adults and not children. What a shocker.

One of the advantages of diversity and even the feminist movement. The latter of which brought women into the fold in larger numbers. I think things are changing (or have changed) and it's become less focused on tall WASPy IBM types from the days of old.

416 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:29:41am

re: #406 ralphieboy


But face it, as humans, we respond to visual signals like height and body shape when assessing others, or in the case of males, to breast size of women.

Like the color red, to which studies have shown both men and women respond strongly.

417 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:30:38am
MP3 Audio
418 Gus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:30:58am

I better go to sleep. Later!

419 researchok  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:36:44am

Morning, all!

420 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:41:05am

re: #419 researchok

Morning, all!

Mornin'... wait, it's morning already?!

Time for me to go to bed and read some ancient history...

421 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:47:35am

re: #345 freetoken

I wonder if the AFA will defend this?

They'll have to get in line behind a long list of American apologists.

422 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:48:43am

re: #353 palomino

Obama has raised all our taxes!

(Actually 95% of us got a tax cut, and any increase will be only on the top 2%. But why should facts interfere with hysterical talking points?)

No one got a tax "cut". Why do people insist on repeating hysterical talking points they know are a lie?

423 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:49:38am

The closer it gets to the election the more fun this gets.....Morning All!

I'll put in my daily reminder to relax, the world is not going to end on Nov. 2nd.

424 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:55:53am

re: #383 Gus 802

Yeah. Although I think much has changed in the past 6 years. The internet is more fluid. I think a lot of the urban myths about Kerry would have been more quickly and firmly debunked. It still would have been like talking to the wall much like it is today. Of course one does have to admit that a lot of poo was also flung at Bush. Thinking back though Kerry sure had a lot of poo flung at him.

Bush had an NAACP ad run against him accusing him of being a hate-mongering racist that didn't care if black people were pulled down the street by chains. The most unfair, brutal attack ad ever.

FYI, the ad was paid for by a $10 million secret donation, it could have been paid for by foreigners for all we know. The fact that they still haven't opened their books for us to know who paid for that ad means they obviously have something to hide.

425 researchok  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:04:06am

re: #424 RogueOne

Bush had an NAACP ad run against him accusing him of being a hate-mongering racist that didn't care if black people were pulled down the street by chains. The most unfair, brutal attack ad ever.

FYI, the ad was paid for by a $10 million secret donation, it could have been paid for by foreigners for all we know. The fact that they still haven't opened their books for us to know who paid for that ad means they obviously have something to hide.

You're gonna catch hell for this...

426 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:05:12am

Yes, let's see the Chamber of Commerce books.
I'd like to see where and how they spend their cash.

427 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:10:46am

re: #424 RogueOne

What ad was this?

428 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:11:36am

re: #425 researchok

You're gonna catch hell for this...

Why?
I'm all for every political advocacy group having to open up their books on who gives them cash.

429 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:11:55am

re: #422 RogueOne

No one got a tax "cut". Why do people insist on repeating hysterical talking points they know are a lie?

By the way, you left yesterday before you explained why you'd cited a source, that in order to fearmonger about pension costs, projected the costs of the pensions out to year 29 of receiving them-- in other words, when the people getting them were 89 years old.

Is that the sort of hysterical talking point you're referring to?

430 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:15:37am

re: #423 RogueOne

The closer it gets to the election the more fun this gets...Morning All!

I'll put in my daily reminder to relax, the world is not going to end on Nov. 2nd.

I never elieved it would - it does though end when Palin/O'Donnell's bible countback comes true.........

431 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:19:34am

re: #422 RogueOne

No one got a tax "cut". Why do people insist on repeating hysterical talking points they know are a lie?

this one?..........

[Link: www.charlotteobserver.com...]

432 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:20:28am

re: #424 RogueOne

This ad?

Renee Mullins: I’m Renee Mullins. My father was James Byrd, Jr.
I still have nightmares thinking about him, the day three men chained him behind their pickup truck and dragged him three miles over pavement.

I can see skin being torn away from his body.

I can hear him gasping for air.

I can feel the tears in his eyes, the struggle of his brain as images of his life painfully bang through his head as the links of a heavy chain clinched around his ankles dragging him bump by bump until he was decapitated. [pause]

On June 7, 1998 this happened to my father, all because he was black. I went to Governor George W. Bush and begged him to help pass a hate crimes bill.

He just told me no.

I'm doing this commercial to ask you to call Governor Bush at 512-X and tell him to introduce a hate crimes bill in Texas.

Let him know that our community won't be dragged down by hate crimes.

Male Voice: Funded by Americans for Equality, a project of the NAACP National Voter

That's what you're claiming is the most unfair attack ad ever?

Amazing.

433 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:22:02am

re: #432 Obdicut

oh-noes!

unfair 11ty

434 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:22:10am

re: #432 Obdicut


I was just looking into RO's claims.

We can check these sort of assertions here in the Interweb, you know.

435 rwdflynavy  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:23:44am

re: #414 freetoken

As we see in some of Obama's speeches, Presidents have to address the nation using approx 10th grade (16 yo language) vocabulary or they just loose lose half their audience.

; )

436 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:25:40am

re: #433 wozzablog

I do think it's a shitty ad in that it pretends to be mainly an issue advocacy ad when it was really an anti-Bush ad. That's the kind of crap that was going on even before the Citizens United decision, which is only going to be worse after it.

But it is a rather hysterical talking point to call it the worst ad ever made, or say that it represents Bush as a hate-mongering racist.

437 rwdflynavy  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:29:46am

re: #436 Obdicut

I do think it's a shitty ad in that it pretends to be mainly an issue advocacy ad when it was really an anti-Bush ad. That's the kind of crap that was going on even before the Citizens United decision, which is only going to be worse after it.

But it is a rather hysterical talking point to call it the worst ad ever made, or say that it represents Bush as a hate-mongering racist.

The ad tries to make the point that a hate crimes bill would have stopped the 3 racists from killing that poor man.

438 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:29:47am

re: #436 Obdicut

I do think it's a shitty ad in that it pretends to be mainly an issue advocacy ad when it was really an anti-Bush ad. That's the kind of crap that was going on even before the Citizens United decision, which is only going to be worse after it.

But it is a rather hysterical talking point to call it the worst ad ever made, or say that it represents Bush as a hate-mongering racist.

Yeah, my memory of the ad was way off...

439 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:30:09am

re: #436 Obdicut

I do think it's a shitty ad in that it pretends to be mainly an issue advocacy ad when it was really an anti-Bush ad. That's the kind of crap that was going on even before the Citizens United decision, which is only going to be worse after it.

But it is a rather hysterical talking point to call it the worst ad ever made, or say that it represents Bush as a hate-mongering racist.

True. Running ads like that at election time are just pot-stirrers.

Certainly not the worst one ever - and doesn't say Bush is a racist, just that he had different legislative priorities (well, thats the message i got).

440 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:33:09am

re: #426 Varek Raith

Yes, let's see the Chamber of Commerce books.
I'd like to see where and how they spend their cash.

Lets take a look in your trunk, you don't have anything to hide do you?/

441 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:33:26am

re: #437 rwdflynavy

The ad tries to make the point that a hate crimes bill would have stopped the 3 racists from killing that poor man.

No, it really doesn't. It says nothing about whether the hate crimes bill is a good thing because it would punish the people who did this more severely, or because it would prevent things like this from occurring. Of course, if you believe more severe punishment is a deterrent, then you believe that having higher penalties for hate crimes would reduce the number of hate crimes.

It doesn't even use any emotional language about Bush. It just says he said no, not that he didn't care, or didn't pay attention, or had other priorities, or anything of that sort.

442 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:33:59am

re: #437 rwdflynavy

The ad tries to make the point that a hate crimes bill would have stopped the 3 racists from killing that poor man.

I don't believe it does. It's saying that the men who did it would be treated differently through the legal system and that future cases would be treated differently from "regular crime".

Its about stopping things/changing things down the road. Not blaming Bush for that particular case.

All that being said - i don't think it's a great advert for the case being made, particularly at election time when all it will do is enflame.

443 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:36:25am

re: #429 Obdicut

By the way, you left yesterday before you explained why you'd cited a source, that in order to fearmonger about pension costs, projected the costs of the pensions out to year 29 of receiving them-- in other words, when the people getting them were 89 years old.

Is that the sort of hysterical talking point you're referring to?

So your plan hinges on the hope that people die before they get to 89? Death Panels based not only on medical costs but also their pension liabilities? Damn, and people say libertarians are cold hearted.

444 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:37:55am

re: #443 RogueOne

So your plan hinges on the hope that people die before they get to 89? Death Panels based not only on medical costs but also their pension liabilities? Damn, and people say libertarians are cold hearted.

Good luck to them - unaided by Obama firing squads the present life expectancy is 78.4.

445 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:39:41am

re: #443 RogueOne

So your plan hinges on the hope that people die before they get to 89? Death Panels based not only on medical costs but also their pension liabilities? Damn, and people say libertarians are cold hearted.

Cut the stupid bullshit, Rogue. Most people don't live to 89, it's not nothing to do with me hoping anything. Why on earth you think this kind of sniggering sophomoric asshattery is going to convince anyone of anything, I don't know.

Again: You cited an article about pension costs that turned out to get its scary big numbers from projecting the costs of the pensions out to age 89. Since most people don't live to age 89, this was a dishonest scare tactic.

It makes it very ironic that you're presuming to call other people liars and castigate them for hysterical talking points, while you screech about pension costs using completely ginned up figures and refer to the above NAACP ad as the worst attack ad ever.

It's pretty pathetic.

446 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:40:11am

re: #443 RogueOne

Nice dodge.
The average life expectancy is 79ish...
Not all will reach the 89 the projection assumes to..

447 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:40:29am

re: #431 wozzablog

this one?...

[Link: www.charlotteobserver.com...]

That's called a tax "credit" not a tax "cut" and really it was neither. Withholding less during the year equates to nothing if their rates don't change.

There have been zero tax rate reductions. They had a chance to make sure 95% of the public didn't have their rates rise next year and chose not to deal with it just yet.

448 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:42:06am

re: #447 RogueOne

They had a chance to make sure 95% of the public didn't have their rates rise next year and chose not to deal with it just yet.


The GOP, you mean?

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

449 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:42:37am

re: #440 RogueOne

Lets take a look in your trunk, you don't have anything to hide do you?/

Just agreeing with ya.
;)

re: #424 RogueOne

Bush had an NAACP ad run against him accusing him of being a hate-mongering racist that didn't care if black people were pulled down the street by chains. The most unfair, brutal attack ad ever.

FYI, the ad was paid for by a $10 million secret donation, it could have been paid for by foreigners for all we know. The fact that they still haven't opened their books for us to know who paid for that ad means they obviously have something to hide.

450 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:44:14am

re: #447 RogueOne

you are getting into the definition of what "is" is to avoid admitting that some form of tax relief from Obama happened.


[Link: www.politifact.com...]

451 rwdflynavy  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:44:49am

re: #442 wozzablog

I don't believe it does. It's saying that the men who did it would be treated differently through the legal system and that future cases would be treated differently from "regular crime".

Its about stopping things/changing things down the road. Not blaming Bush for that particular case.

All that being said - i don't think it's a great advert for the case being made, particularly at election time when all it will do is enflame.

I just have a hard time wrapping my brain around an additional law (hate crimes) making the punishment for dragging a man behind your truck til he dies worse than what was already on the books. I think murder is bad, regardless of the reason.

452 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:47:02am

re: #451 rwdflynavy

Well, hate crime bills are generally supported by the logic that an additional crime of terrorization has been committed against the community by the action.

Here is a somewhat wonky piece about it.

[Link: dneiwert.blogspot.com...]

453 wiffersnapper  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:49:34am

Hey folks,

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but I couldn't wait for another open thread to open up! In honor of Obama being on Mythbusters, enjoy this pic:

[Link: thedailywh.at...]

454 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:50:22am

re: #451 rwdflynavy

I just have a hard time wrapping my brain around an additional law (hate crimes) making the punishment for dragging a man behind your truck til he dies worse than what was already on the books. I think murder is bad, regardless of the reason.

Distinctions in crime level by motive have always existed. Hence murder1, 2, negligent homicide - etc etc etc.

Frame of mind, circumstance, battered wife syndrome and all sorts of other implications already affect sentencing.

I think the most heinous crimes are those committed by those who think someone just "looks different" and that just because they "look different" that they can get away with treating them/killing them differently under the present law.

455 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:53:11am

re: #432 Obdicut

This ad?

That's what you're claiming is the most unfair attack ad ever?

Amazing.

Yes, it would help if you included the audio/video to get the full effect. It was a disgusting and totally unfair ad. Tying a presidential candidate to people who dragged to death a black man is fair game to you?

456 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:54:27am

re: #444 wozzablog

Good luck to them - unaided by Obama firing squads the present life expectancy is 78.4.

HA! I'm glad to see not everyone has lost their sense of humor.

457 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:54:51am

re: #453 wiffersnapper

Hey folks,

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but I couldn't wait for another open thread to open up! In honor of Obama being on Mythbusters, enjoy this pic:

[Link: thedailywh.at...]

Lol

458 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:55:06am

re: #451 rwdflynavy

I just have a hard time wrapping my brain around an additional law (hate crimes) making the punishment for dragging a man behind your truck til he dies worse than what was already on the books. I think murder is bad, regardless of the reason.

I also have a bit of pa problem with that one. If a white gang member kills a black gang menber (or vice versa) over a drug deal gone bad is it drug grime, gang crime or hate crime?

The only thing it could serve as is extra icing on the cake to make the sentence even more severe, but that would be more for assault charges than murder, which is already life sentence in most places.

459 researchok  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:56:42am

re: #428 Varek Raith

Why?
I'm all for every political advocacy group having to open up their books on who gives them cash.

Fair enough. We're on the same page on the matter.

460 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:57:21am

re: #448 Obdicut

The GOP, you mean?

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

The republicans have already taken over? I must have missed where Reid or Pelosi put up a bill to extend the bush tax cuts for anyone? Care to cite a link I might have missed?

461 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:58:08am

re: #449 Varek Raith

Just agreeing with ya.
;)

I was making fun of Axelrod. He keeps using that as a defense to his accusations. "If they don't have anything to hide....."

462 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:00:23am

re: #450 wozzablog

you are getting into the definition of what "is" is to avoid admitting that some form of tax relief from Obama happened.

[Link: www.politifact.com...]

Tax relief is different than a tax cut. I'm just asking partisans to deal with what has actually happened. Every time I hear someone say "Obama cut taxes for 95% of the people!" I bang my head on my desk. If people don't care about me enough to deal rationally with the issues I wish they would at least feel for my desk. It hasn't done anything./

463 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:01:00am

re: #451 rwdflynavy

I just have a hard time wrapping my brain around an additional law (hate crimes) making the punishment for dragging a man behind your truck til he dies worse than what was already on the books. I think murder is bad, regardless of the reason.

Death plus 10 years is hard to do without zombie problems.

464 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:07:43am

[Background sound: deep, eerie metallic; later fade in low clanking]
Renee Mullins (voice over): I’m Renee Mullins, James Byrd’s daughter.

On June 7, 1998 in Texas my father was killed. He was beaten, chained, and then dragged 3 miles to his death, all because he was black.

So when Governor George W. Bush refused to support hate-crime legislation, it was like my father was killed all over again.

Call Governor George W. Bush and tell him to support hate-crime legislation.

We won’t be dragged away from our future.

Why can I not find the original audio/video of this ad? I smell a conspiracy.

465 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:09:48am

re: #456 RogueOne

HA! I'm glad to see not everyone has lost their sense of humor.

re: #464 RogueOne

Why can I not find the original audio/video of this ad? I smell a conspiracy.

and you would be correct - the CIA removed the advert from the Hawaiian youtube servers in 1968.

466 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:11:41am

re: #465 wozzablog

re: #464 RogueOne

and you would be correct - the CIA removed the advert from the Hawaiian youtube servers in 1968.

WTF.
Youtube was created in 1603.
*Shakes head*

467 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:11:50am

re: #462 RogueOne

politifact is wrong?

you should write to them and tell them to downgrade the truthometer................

468 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:13:58am

Huh, pharmmajor got banned?
Did he go overboard with his libertarian candidate pimping or something?

469 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:14:04am

They're showing the FL debate last night. It looks like Meek and Rubio took turns pounding on Crist.

470 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:14:58am

re: #468 Varek Raith

Huh, pharmmajor got banned?
Did he go overboard with his libertarian candidate pimping or something?

I missed it too. He seemed like an o.k. kid.

471 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:15:39am

re: #468 Varek Raith

wouldn't surprise me.

472 iossarian  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:16:33am

re: #471 wozzablog

wouldn't surprise me.

He did steer pretty close to the "repeal civil rights" wind at times, IIRC.

473 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:17:25am

re: #460 RogueOne

The republicans have already taken over? I must have missed where Reid or Pelosi put up a bill to extend the bush tax cuts for anyone? Care to cite a link I might have missed?

So the fact that the GOP has said they will block any bill that doesn't include an extension for the tax cut on the top 5% just doesn't matter? Neat!

I also totally forgot how, since the GOP isn't a majority, they can't introduce any bills. It's not that they don't want to introduce extending the tax cuts for 95% of people-- it's that they can't. Because eleventy!

474 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:18:36am

re: #473 Obdicut

So the fact that the GOP has said they will block any bill that doesn't include an extension for the tax cut on the top 5% just doesn't matter? Neat!

I also totally forgot how, since the GOP isn't a majority, they can't introduce any bills. It's not that they don't want to introduce extending the tax cuts for 95% of people-- it's that they can't. Because eleventy!

I believe that calls for an "eleventy-one".
;)

475 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:19:17am

re: #473 Obdicut

yeah, the system as it stands gives the minority no power at all, whatsoever...........its a shame, a real shame, how little the GOP has manged to use the rules to obfuscate.

476 rwdflynavy  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:20:15am

re: #470 RogueOne

I missed it too. He seemed like an o.k. kid.


Apparently he/she made some references to the coming revolution about which he/she had some personal knowledge.

He/she can now focus on it full time!
//

477 iossarian  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:20:15am

re: #473 Obdicut

So the fact that the GOP has said they will block any bill that doesn't include an extension for the tax cut on the top 5% just doesn't matter? Neat!

I also totally forgot how, since the GOP isn't a majority, they can't introduce any bills. It's not that they don't want to introduce extending the tax cuts for 95% of people-- it's that they can't. Because eleventy!

dKos is reporting the following from the latest Harper's Index this morning:

Net domestic profits earned by U.S. corporations since the fourth quarter of 2008: $609,000,000,000

Net decrease since then in the amount these companies spent on wages and benefits: $171,000,000,000

Further tax cuts for the rich will obviously get people back to work!

478 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:20:49am

re: #455 RogueOne

Yes, it would help if you included the audio/video to get the full effect. It was a disgusting and totally unfair ad. Tying a presidential candidate to people who dragged to death a black man is fair game to you?

All you ever have is false dichotomies. I called it a shitty ad. You say I think it's 'fair game'. You fail.

I think it's a shitty ad because it claims it's an issues ad when it's clearly an anti-Bush ad. However, what it says is true: Byrd did die, and Bush did not favor hate crimes legislation. There was no lie told, not even a lie of omission. Given that not favoring hate crime bills is an actual stance of Bush, I'm really unsure how it's unfair to state that he doesn't.

It is unfair to use the particular details of Byrd's death in an attack on Bush. That sort of emotional appeal is always unfair.

However, you said it was the worst ad ever. It's nowhere even close. And remember, you brought it up because it was funded by a 'secret donation', and everyone you're talking to here agrees that the NAACP should have to make their donors public as well. So your main 'gotcha' was a squib.

479 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:21:04am

re: #476 rwdflynavy

Apparently he/she made some references to the coming revolution about which he/she had some personal knowledge.

He/she can now focus on it full time!
//

Oh, for the love of Zod.
9_9
Ah, well.

480 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:22:39am

re: #473 Obdicut

So the fact that the GOP has said they will block any bill that doesn't include an extension for the tax cut on the top 5% just doesn't matter? Neat!

I also totally forgot how, since the GOP isn't a majority, they can't introduce any bills. It's not that they don't want to introduce extending the tax cuts for 95% of people-- it's that they can't. Because eleventy!

So your view of how government works is if one party says they're against something the other party just gives up. Weird, they spent almost 18 months working on HCR while republicans screamed the entire time and yet they still managed to get it through. If they wanted to extend the tax cuts for 95% of the public then they should have put it up for a vote and hung it around republicans necks if they voted against it.

481 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:23:57am

re: #479 Varek Raith

To be fair to him:

1. He only promised revolution if Palin was elected.
2. He quickly backpedaled and said it would be 'non-violent'.
3. When pressed for details, he said that he couldn't reveal the details but not to worry.

What got him banned was a violent threat against a public figure.

And he wasn't that big on critical thinking. He couldn't really make an argument, and he was a big ol' tenther without being able to actually support that point of view in the least.

482 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:24:33am

re: #481 Obdicut

To be fair to him:

1. He only promised revolution if Palin was elected.
2. He quickly backpedaled and said it would be 'non-violent'.
3. When pressed for details, he said that he couldn't reveal the details but not to worry.

What got him banned was a violent threat against a public figure.

And he wasn't that big on critical thinking. He couldn't really make an argument, and he was a big ol' tenther without being able to actually support that point of view in the least.

Thanks.

483 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:24:46am

re: #476 rwdflynavy

Apparently he/she made some references to the coming revolution about which he/she had some personal knowledge.

He/she can now focus on it full time!
//

He missed it. The revolution occured in 2008, "We're taking back our country!". The next one is in a couple weeks and there will be a repeat somewhere around 2012. Don't ask how I know, it's all classified.

484 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:26:16am

re: #483 RogueOne

He missed it. The revolution occured in 2008, "We're taking back our country!". The next one is in a couple weeks and there will be a repeat somewhere around 2012. Don't ask how I know, it's all classified.

*Whistles innocently*
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485 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:27:06am

re: #480 RogueOne

So your view of how government works is if one party says they're against something the other party just gives up.

Yes, you have constructed another false dichotomy. Well done.

Weird, they spent almost 18 months working on HCR while republicans screamed the entire time and yet they still managed to get it through.

And they'd be able to get the tax cuts for the 95% of people through too-- if they also gave the top 5% the tax cuts as well. Which would be incredibly fiscally irresponsible. Which is what the GOP wants.

Are the Democrats wimpy wimp-wimps with noodly arms? Yes. But the GOP really, really did announce they would block any tax cuts for 95% of people if there wasn't the tax cut for the top 5% in there as well. That actually happened, and it sure would be nice if you got around to acknowledging reality when making your assertions one day.

If they wanted to extend the tax cuts for 95% of the public then they should have put it up for a vote and hung it around republicans necks if they voted against it.

Gee, I wonder if there's any way that the Republicans can block things for coming to a vote... nah, I can't think of anything at all!

I wonder if 'they', being the Democrats, don't actually vote en block but actually have conservative members who don't always vote along with the majority to end cloture-- naw, I must be misremembering!

486 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:29:12am

re: #485 Obdicut

Yes, you have constructed another false dichotomy. Well done.

And they'd be able to get the tax cuts for the 95% of people through too-- if they also gave the top 5% the tax cuts as well. Which would be incredibly fiscally irresponsible. Which is what the GOP wants.

Are the Democrats wimpy wimp-wimps with noodly arms? Yes. But the GOP really, really did announce they would block any tax cuts for 95% of people if there wasn't the tax cut for the top 5% in there as well. That actually happened, and it sure would be nice if you got around to acknowledging reality when making your assertions one day.

Gee, I wonder if there's any way that the Republicans can block things for coming to a vote... nah, I can't think of anything at all!

I wonder if 'they', being the Democrats, don't actually vote en block but actually have conservative members who don't always vote along with the majority to end cloture-- naw, I must be misremembering!

it doesn't matter anyway - because it's not a "tax cut" for the wealthy, it's just a tax credit - so thats ok.

487 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:29:23am

re: #485 Obdicut

Yes, you have constructed another false dichotomy. Well done.

And they'd be able to get the tax cuts for the 95% of people through too-- if they also gave the top 5% the tax cuts as well. Which would be incredibly fiscally irresponsible. Which is what the GOP wants.

Are the Democrats wimpy wimp-wimps with noodly arms? Yes. But the GOP really, really did announce they would block any tax cuts for 95% of people if there wasn't the tax cut for the top 5% in there as well. That actually happened, and it sure would be nice if you got around to acknowledging reality when making your assertions one day.

Gee, I wonder if there's any way that the Republicans can block things for coming to a vote... nah, I can't think of anything at all!

I wonder if 'they', being the Democrats, don't actually vote en block but actually have conservative members who don't always vote along with the majority to end cloture-- naw, I must be misremembering!

Filletabuster!
Wait....
/

488 Sully33  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:29:31am

What... no rant against gay marriage...? You're slipping Charles.

489 iossarian  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:30:25am

re: #485 Obdicut

The other factor is that there are plenty of other things that the Senate is trying to get done (like approve some administration people, who are opposed en bloc by the GOP).

They probably figure that playing political football with the tax cut thing isn't worth it, since:

A) the GOP won't let anything happen, and

B) the public at large probably won't understand the distinction between the different types of tax adjustments being debated.

490 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:30:33am

re: #488 Sully33

Good point.

Gay marriage leads to marrying a turtle that thinks it's a true! Lesbians are trying to recruit our hot chicks, and refuse to show the videotape!

491 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:30:52am

re: #485 Obdicut

It wasn't a "false dichotomy", it's what you said. You said the republicans said "no" so the dems were stuck without being able to do anything. There weren't any votes, all it took was a couple of republicans to say "no way we would vote for it" to the press and the dems had to take their bill and go home because the poor guys were stopped by those mean republicans.

You said it, all I did was flesh it out for you some./

492 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:31:26am

re: #490 Obdicut

Good point.

Gay marriage leads to marrying a turtle that thinks it's a true! Lesbians are trying to recruit our hot chicks, and refuse to show the videotape!


That's a fucking crime right there!
Get it?!
I crack myself up!

493 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:31:53am

re: #491 RogueOne

You said the republicans said "no" so the dems were stuck without being able to do anything.

Here's the thing: I didn't say that.


You said it, all I did was flesh it out for you some./

Right. Your usual form of 'argument': just making shit up.

494 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:32:14am

re: #490 Obdicut

Good point.

Gay marriage leads to marrying a turtle that thinks it's a true! Lesbians are trying to recruit our hot chicks, and refuse to show the videotape!


but do lesbian turtles go all the way down?.............

495 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:32:18am

re: #490 Obdicut

er, true should be shoe, though for a crazy-ass rant, I guess it works either way.

496 iossarian  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:32:23am

re: #491 RogueOne

It wasn't a "false dichotomy", it's what you said. You said the republicans said "no" so the dems were stuck without being able to do anything. There weren't any votes, all it took was a couple of republicans to say "no way we would vote for it" to the press and the dems had to take their bill and go home because the poor guys were stopped by those mean republicans.

OK, so you waste a few weeks of Senate time doing this, and then at the end of it the GOP launches a barrage of ads claiming that the Dems were trying to "cram something down their throats" (a meme, by the way, that reveals the sexual anxieties of privileged white males).

497 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:32:54am

re: #494 wozzablog

but do lesbian turtles go all the way down?...

Congrats!

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498 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:33:52am

re: #497 Obdicut

Congrats!

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499 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:35:37am

By the way, for any gamers:

Creative Assembly swears to god they'll get the AI right this time for their new release, Shogun II.

[Link: www.rockpapershotgun.com...]

500 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:35:42am

re: #497 Obdicut

re: #498 Varek Raith

*proud*

thats my singular one for my lifetime.......

501 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:36:23am

re: #496 iossarian

OK, so you waste a few weeks of Senate time doing this, and then at the end of it the GOP launches a barrage of ads claiming that the Dems were trying to "cram something down their throats" (a meme, by the way, that reveals the sexual anxieties of privileged white males).

So? Make them make the argument. If the dems wanted the tax cut extensions they could have brought it up for a vote but they chose not to. Some believe it was because they didn't stand a chance so they may as well not but I believe if they wanted it they should have made the republicans stand up and say we're going to screw 95% of the public to make a point.

The dems could have passed a bill to dump DADT but chose not to. They could have passed a bill to extend the tax cuts but chose not to. Their fan club wants to give them a pass but I'm not a team player or a club member.

502 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:38:07am

re: #501 RogueOne

So? Make them make the argument. If the dems wanted the tax cut extensions they could have brought it up for a vote but they chose not to. Some believe it was because they didn't stand a chance so they may as well not but I believe if they wanted it they should have made the republicans stand up and say we're going to screw 95% of the public to make a point.

The dems could have passed a bill to dump DADT but chose not to. They could have passed a bill to extend the tax cuts but chose not to. Their fan club wants to give them a pass but I'm not a team player or a club member.

you are assuming that this mythical block of united democrats actually exists. none of us do.

503 RogueOne  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:38:23am

Now I have to get to work. Enjoy the rest of the day people. Try to relax, this will all be over in a couple weeks.

504 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:38:34am

re: #501 RogueOne

The dems could have passed a bill to dump DADT but chose not to.

Hey, what's going on with that right now, anyway?

Their fan club wants to give them a pass but I'm not a team player or a club member.

Sure. You consistently attack Democrats and promote Republicans, to the extent that you say that you'd like Reid to lose and Angle to win, but you're not a team player. Completely believable.

You stated you'd vote for the most socon socon over a Democrat because you think they're weak on foreign defense-- definitely not a club member.

You're just so independent!

505 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:40:30am

re: #503 RogueOne

Try to relax, this will all be over in a couple weeks.

oh how i can hardly restrain myself from welcoming the oncoming Limbaugh Congress.

506 iossarian  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:40:48am

re: #504 Obdicut


Sure. You consistently attack Democrats and promote Republicans, to the extent that you say that you'd like Reid to lose and Angle to win, but you're not a team player. Completely believable.

Remember, Reid's just as bad as Angle because his statements in support of minority groups are just for show.

///

507 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:40:58am

re: #503 RogueOne

Now I have to get to work. Enjoy the rest of the day people. Try to relax, this will all be over in a couple weeks.

Yes, I'm definitely looking forward to the Republicans having to deal with the newly elected nutters in their party.
Gonna be fun!

508 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:44:54am

re: #507 Varek Raith

Yes, I'm definitely looking forward to the Republicans having to deal with the newly elected nutters in their party.
Gonna be fun!

New Gingrich kicked the last set of elected Republican "reformers" into line. So I expect the Republican House/Senate leadership to not have that much trouble doing the same to these. They'll be restrained by tradition and the well-grooved tracks of "this is how things are done". And it they get supplied staff there instead of totally bringing their own in then they'll already be at least 50% in leash since the staff has a lot of influence on what materials they actually see, what they get briefed about, and recommendations on what to do and who to see.

509 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:45:56am

re: #506 iossarian

Remember, Reid's just as bad as Angle because his statements in support of minority groups are just for show.

///

And he secretly opposes separation of church and state and cannot tell the difference between Latinos and Asians and secretly thinks that autism is just a PC put-on....

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510 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:46:01am

re: #508 oaktree

New Gingrich kicked the last set of elected Republican "reformers" into line. So I expect the Republican House/Senate leadership to not have that much trouble doing the same to these. They'll be restrained by tradition and the well-grooved tracks of "this is how things are done". And it they get supplied staff there instead of totally bringing their own in then they'll already be at least 50% in leash since the staff has a lot of influence on what materials they actually see, what they get briefed about, and recommendations on what to do and who to see.

Please don't rain on my parade.
Thanks.
/
:)

511 harlequinade  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:46:18am

re: #507 Varek Raith

The sad thing about that is - they'll just vote with them, against the Dems.
It'll be business as usual.

Why would the insane vote against their party?

I'd say that the Tea Party is a massive voter fraud. It allows the mad wing of the GOP to keep the base. If the split becomes formal - and they work out who will stand where so they never have to split the right wing vote - I think they could be very happy to welcome the nutters.

512 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:47:32am

re: #508 oaktree

New Gingrich kicked the last set of elected Republican "reformers" into line.

Up to now they have been free to spout ideology and vitriol on the campaign trail. Things will change greatly when they are called upon to make policy decisions in real life.

513 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:47:51am

re: #510 Varek Raith

Please don't rain on my parade.
Thanks.
/
:)

What music do the bands play at your parade besides "The Imperial March"?

You'd think even that would get a little old after a while...

514 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:48:22am

re: #508 oaktree

New Gingrich kicked the last set of elected Republican "reformers" into line. So I expect the Republican House/Senate leadership to not have that much trouble doing the same to these. They'll be restrained by tradition and the well-grooved tracks of "this is how things are done". And it they get supplied staff there instead of totally bringing their own in then they'll already be at least 50% in leash since the staff has a lot of influence on what materials they actually see, what they get briefed about, and recommendations on what to do and who to see.


you missed Bachmannpalooza on the capitol steps then?

515 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:48:51am

re: #513 oaktree

What music do the bands play at your parade besides "The Imperial March"?

You'd think even that would get a little old after a while...

Halcali.
.
.
.
Silence!

516 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:50:34am

re: #514 wozzablog

you missed Bachmannpalooza on the capitol steps then?

Has that really given the Republican Party that much trouble?

517 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:53:16am

re: #516 oaktree

Has that really given the Republican Party that much trouble?

The new intake lapped it up - and it was supported by their leadership. It's not serious politics - the wider electorate missed it, but stunts like that from the top of the party (embracing Bachmann, et.al) show how un-serious and completely unready they are for governing.

518 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:53:56am

Later gators.

519 shutdown  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:55:38am

re: #507 Varek Raith

Yes, I'm definitely looking forward to the Republicans having to deal with the newly elected nutters in their party.
Gonna be fun!

As I said yesterday: Make sure you have C-Span and a 2 year supply of popcorn.

On a more serious note, it occurs to me that the Palinistas and other denizens of Tea Bagistan are making a crucial, but common, mistake. They think that all the newfound grassroots (or astroturf) support they have is somehow the result of a massive buy-in by voters into their political philosophy. It is not. The average voter does not give a rat's ass about theories of government. Most people want to be rewarded for their willingness to work hard and to live in the knowledge that they are secure in life and limb. Many, if not most, of their supposed "base" will abandon the Tea Party Right in droves once it becomes clear that these fruit n' nut cakes can't govern because they themselves don't understand the constitution, economics, or the true nature of foreign affairs, and as a result cannot make us better governed, wealthier, or more secure.

Very few people are going to vote the freaky Right for truly ideological purposes, and only those few will vote for them a second time. The damage done to the Republican Party will be lasting, however, and it will be interesting to see how the middle resurrects itself as a rational political force that the majority of voters can trust to govern rationally.

520 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:55:43am

re: #508 oaktree

And these days, who will play the part of Newt?

Newt is currently playing the part of an religious right nutjob, remember.

Who is the sane person in the GOP to kick them into line?

521 sagehen  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:03:08am

oh look, another Republican "inadvertently" sending out racist emails

522 shutdown  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:06:01am

re: #520 Obdicut

And these days, who will play the part of Newt?

Newt is currently playing the part of an religious right nutjob, remember.

Who is the sane person in the GOP to kick them into line?

No one will emerge to assume the pre-crazy Newt mantle until it looks safe to do so. Anybody trying to do so now will be swept away by the bug-eyed tide. Notice how we haven't seen much if Mitt Romney, recently? The whole anti-Mormon thing seems kind of silly now, given the screwballs we are seeing in the arena this season.

523 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:06:50am

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524 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:08:37am

re: #519 imp_62

As I said yesterday: Make sure you have C-Span and a 2 year supply of popcorn.

On a more serious note, it occurs to me that the Palinistas and other denizens of Tea Bagistan are making a crucial, but common, mistake. They think that all the newfound grassroots (or astroturf) support they have is somehow the result of a massive buy-in by voters into their political philosophy. It is not. The average voter does not give a rat's ass about theories of government. Most people want to be rewarded for their willingness to work hard and to live in the knowledge that they are secure in life and limb. Many, if not most, of their supposed "base" will abandon the Tea Party Right in droves once it becomes clear that these fruit n' nut cakes can't govern because they themselves don't understand the constitution, economics, or the true nature of foreign affairs, and as a result cannot make us better governed, wealthier, or more secure.

Very few people are going to vote the freaky Right for truly ideological purposes, and only those few will vote for them a second time. The damage done to the Republican Party will be lasting, however, and it will be interesting to see how the middle resurrects itself as a rational political force that the majority of voters can trust to govern rationally.

I'm beginning to think that there is a 10-20% of the populace that is simply going to vote "opposite" to what they consider the reigning party regardless of the candidates/issues/policies/reality. Perennially unhappy with their lot and representatives and thus open to a change simply in the belief that a new face will be better than the entrenched "old face".

A lot was made about the 2008 election being a "backlash". The mid-term elections (like this year) are often a backlash against the party currently holding the White House. And there's a lot of folk here saying that 2012 is lining up to be a backlash against the backlash...

Hmm, 20-30% base for each side, 20% anti-incumbent, and what percentage totally fed up?

525 shutdown  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:08:46am

re: #523 negativ

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Have you seen the guy? He's hilarious.

526 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:09:07am

re: #522 imp_62

The question is whether it's ever going to be safe to do so. I think the GOP has taken things too far to scale back.

527 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:12:40am

re: #522 imp_62

No one will emerge to assume the pre-crazy Newt mantle until it looks safe to do so. Anybody trying to do so now will be swept away by the bug-eyed tide. Notice how we haven't seen much if Mitt Romney, recently? The whole anti-Mormon thing seems kind of silly now, given the screwballs we are seeing in the arena this season.

Inertia will carry them half of the way there.

The second question is whether these are actual partisans that will push an agenda regardless (e.g. true social conservatives who will bring forth and fight for legislation promoting things such as intelligent design in science classes), or are simply panderers who will mouth the proper platitudes to the base while bellying up to the trough to get campaign contributions from the lobbyists, influence through committee assignments, and all the trappings that come with becoming the new incumbent primarily intent on re-election and skimming a little cream off the side for themselves.

528 shutdown  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:13:11am

re: #526 Obdicut

The question is whether it's ever going to be safe to do so. I think the GOP has taken things too far to scale back.

If that part of the GOP has to reorganize and emerge in some different form, it will. The people who voted for mainstream Republicans have not emigrated, they are simply pissed off and willing to push the party under the bus for a few years to teach them a lesson.

529 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:14:25am

Good morning lizards!

530 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:22:47am

laters gators

531 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:23:55am

Pelosi's Favorable Rating as Speaker Drops to 29%, a New Low

Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's favorable rating is down seven percentage points since May to 29%, a new low for her since assuming the top congressional post.

Pelosi's ratings were 2-to-1 positive, 44% to 22%, when she first assumed the speakership in January 2007, but they became closely divided by March of that year and remained so in November 2008. Views became more negative than positive for the first time in the first half of 2009, possibly because of Pelosi's public stance against the CIA's use of "enhanced interrogation" of terrorist suspects at Guantanamo Bay prison, and her dispute with the CIA over whether she had been briefed on the matter. Spanning the period these issues were in the news, her favorable rating fell from 42% to 32%. Pelosi's favorable rating recovered slightly in the first half of 2010 to 36%, but it has since tumbled to the new low.

Way to go Nancy!

532 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:25:41am

re: #521 sagehen

oh look, another Republican "inadvertently" sending out racist emails


He claims he was just getting the hang of the Interwebs thing and forwarded it without reading. And those porn sites just pop up on their own somehow...

533 rwdflynavy  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:27:07am

re: #532 ralphieboy

He claims he was just getting the hang of the Interwebs thing and forwarded it without reading. And those porn sites just pop up on their own somehow...

Plus, I keep clicking the link that says VIRUS DETECTED!! and it isn't working!!!
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534 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:33:12am
535 sagehen  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:34:56am

I'm not even going to spoil this one by tell you. (yes, safe for work. Try not to laugh too loud.)

Youtube Video
536 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:39:18am

re: #534 lostlakehiker

Hitler wasn't an atheist.

Really unsure why people keep propagating that meme.

537 shutdown  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:43:36am

Oops. Work call. BBL.

538 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:45:06am

re: #513 oaktree

Hey... there's always the Imperial March done on steel drums...

Youtube Video

Or, how about the Imperial legions marching with bagpipes:

Youtube Video
539 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:47:01am

re: #538 lawhawk

Hey... there's always the Imperial March done on steel drums...


[Video]

I'm trying to work out the mental image of the Star Wars Imperial version of the Black Watch (complete with regimental band) and my mind told me quite quickly that I didn't want to go there...

The kilt version of the blast armor for one.

540 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:48:47am

re: #522 imp_62

right now the ugly bags of mostly tea are in full triumphalist mode because they are certain they are about to Triumph And Dominate Forever. nothing will stop them from owning the GOP unless and until an election doesn't agree with them and appear to validate their beliefs

until then, we are condemned to witness a nazi era in american politics

541 laZardo  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:49:48am

And now...

The Rent Is Too Damn High: The Musical.

542 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:50:55am

My two cents

Evolution is a myth! [false] Evolution is a theory, which means it is not the Divine Truth as revelaed in Holy sScriptures

Hispanics shouldn’t vote!

-Nobody should vote for politicians who betray their interests - in which case, nobody except millionaires and their lobbyists should vote

Obama is a Kenyan stealth Muslim Manchurian candidate!
-"Manchurian Candidate" is a fixed phrase, sort of like a sleeper cell, and after all, foreign is foreign.

Rush Limbaugh is God!
- Many still believe that he is divinely inspired

War on Christmas!
-Christmas was a pagan celebration before it was co-opted by the Christians, retains many of its traits and has become a part of popular culture, only tenuously connected to its religious connotations.

Prayer in schools!
-Is still allowed on an individual basis

Piss Christ!
- If you can show Mohammed with a bomb in his turban, then you can show Christ in a vial of piss. First Amendment and all. Whether taxpayers should fund such dispays is open to debate.

Darwin was a Nazi!
- Some of Darwins's theories were twisted to fit the Nazi ideology. Lots of ideas get twisted to fit idologies

Hitler Hitler Hitler!
-Was a vegetarian, built Autobahns, introduced paid vacations adn package tours...which means they are all evil.

Atheists are genocidal monsters!
- All men are mortal, all deer are mortal, therefore all men are deer....Philosophy 101 fail.

Global warming is a hoax!
- Science is not perfect, but it has proven itself right on numerous occasions and we are foolish to ignore it.

Black people have lower IQs!
-IQ is not an absolute measurement of intelligence, nor is there an "absolute intelligence" to measure against.

Muslims want to kill us all!
- All men are mortal. All goats are mortal, etc...

543 laZardo  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:55:57am

And of course, nothing fits well with music like art.

Or in our case, a public service announcement. Remember, too much candy is bad for you.

/mmkay

544 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:12:56am

eveyone slipped into a sugar coma?

545 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:15:32am

Paladino now trails Cuomo by 37 points in latest poll. That's a big increase over just two weeks ago, when Paladino was 24 points behind.

546 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:17:17am

re: #544 ralphieboy

eveyone slipped into a sugar coma?

Second cup of coffee and work on my desk coma in my case.

Plus I have a 2MB file of job descriptions that have been translated from Portugese to English to review and comment on. Whoever did the initial job was not familiar with IT terminology at all, and not totally familiar with business terminology in general. See a job description title as "Export Wizard" here - that's going to be an interesting one.

547 laZardo  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:19:47am

re: #545 lawhawk

Paladino now trails Cuomo by 37 points in latest poll. That's a big increase over just two weeks ago, when Paladino was 24 points behind.

But how's The Rent Is Too Damn High doing?

548 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:20:44am

re: #544 ralphieboy

Maybe this will wake folks up..

Russian spy Anna Chapman poses for Maxim's Russian edition.

549 iossarian  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:22:11am

re: #548 lawhawk

Maybe this will wake folks up..

Russian spy Anna Chapman poses for Maxim's Russian edition.

Gadzooks!

She looks as if she's been airbrushed to within several inches of her life.

550 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:23:08am

re: #545 lawhawk

Paladino now trails Cuomo by 37 points in latest poll. That's a big increase over just two weeks ago, when Paladino was 24 points behind.

He's got Cuomo right where he wants him...in the lead and over-confident.

551 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:23:47am

re: #547 laZardo

They weren't even mentioned in the poll (and probably because he's probably going to garner a few thousand votes statewide in an election where several million will vote for Cuomo).

552 webevintage  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:24:09am

Help!
French anyone?
"bonjour combien coûte l'article et la transaction pour la france
merci"

I know he said hello and something about a transaction to France....

Does he want to know how much combined shipping to France would be?

Thanks....

553 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:24:16am

re: #544 ralphieboy

I've been trying that youtube doubler thing out, but it's hard to find two clips with appropriate volume levels to mash.

So instead, I'll post this Wilford Brimley remix.

Youtube Video
554 laZardo  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:24:32am

re: #548 lawhawk

Maybe this will wake folks up..

Russian spy Anna Chapman poses for Maxim's Russian edition.

Obligatory reading music.

Youtube Video
555 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:25:37am

re: #549 iossarian

It's not like she didn't have a nice base-coat on which to airbrush in the first place. She's a pretty girl without the airbrushing - a perfect honey pot for spying.

556 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:26:56am

re: #552 webevintage

It's just how much will the cost be if I buy it in France-- they may just be asking what the price in Euros is, or whether there's any tax on it, or something else. Or they might mean 'what's the total, total, price, including shipping and tax and everything.'.

557 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:28:00am

re: #552 webevintage

How much does it cost to ship to France

558 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:29:15am

re: #557 darthstar

How much does it cost to ship to France


I would have thought they'd have said expédiation if they meant shipping in particular. My business french is rusty, though, and it's always so idiomatic.

559 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:29:15am

re: #552 webevintage

Help!
French anyone?
"bonjour combien coûte l'article et la transaction pour la france
merci"

I know he said hello and something about a transaction to France...

Does he want to know how much combined shipping to France would be?

Thanks...

He wants to know the "cost" (coûte) for shipping something to france.

560 sagehen  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:30:11am
Youtube Video
561 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:30:30am

re: #558 Obdicut

I would have thought they'd have said expédiation if they meant shipping in particular. My business french is rusty, though, and it's always so idiomatic.

You may be right...

Then he/she may be asking what is the cost in Euro's...

562 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:30:32am

Nevada's already voting for the Reid-Angle race? I didn't know that they were already doing early vote there.

And is it me, or is the release of voter profiles - breaking out the percentage of GOP to Democrat voters as a sign of enthusiasm and trend information - this early a way to shape and affect the voting in coming days and leading up to election day?

Besides, what if some major news event were to break before the election that shapes the vote in a profound way (more than the stuff that is already out there showing that Angle is a loon). Once you've voted, you can't take back that vote, no matter how much you may come to regret it.

563 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:30:43am

re: #552 webevintage

Help!
French anyone?
"bonjour combien coûte l'article et la transaction pour la france
merci"

I know he said hello and something about a transaction to France...

Does he want to know how much combined shipping to France would be?

Thanks...

Then he/she may be asking what is the cost in Euro's...

564 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:33:27am

re: #562 lawhawk

Besides, what if some major news event were to break before the election that shapes the vote in a profound way (more than the stuff that is already out there showing that Angle is a loon). Once you've voted, you can't take back that vote, no matter how much you may come to regret it.

I don't get this bit. Are you saying people should wait until the last possible moment to vote, in case some scandal breaks?

Do you really think there isn't enough information out there already to make an informed decision on Angle vs. Reid?

565 Ericus58  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:35:46am

re: #549 iossarian

Gadzooks!

She looks as if she's been airbrushed to within several inches of her life.

"I'm not bad... I'm just drawn that way"
[Link: www.bing.com...]

566 laZardo  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:35:57am

re: #553 Obdicut

You saw my #543, didn't you. q;

567 webevintage  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:36:08am

Thanks guys for the help!

568 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:38:31am

Heh...Carly Fiorina goes on Fox and fucks up...

Touting her “tough, bottom-line business executive” motto, Wallace pointed out that Fiorina also wants “to extend all, all the Bush tax cuts which would add $4 trillion dollars to the deficit...where are you going to find $4 trillion dollars to cut?” But when Fiorina retreated to recycled response of government waste and an earmarks ban, a frustrated Wallace begged Fiorina seven times to “name one single entitlement expenditure you’re willing to cut” because “that’s where the money is.” Fiorina’s only response? “You’re asking a typical political question."

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Uh, Carly...US Senator is a political job.

Youtube Video
569 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:38:46am

re: #564 Obdicut

Take Angle and Reid out of the equation. There are down ticket races. You don't think that some bit of information might come out in the next two weeks that might affect someone who is on the fence.

It's a problem I have with early voting generally.

570 laZardo  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:42:46am

re: #568 darthstar

And I have to choose between her and Boxer?

Duane Roberts (G-CA) it is then.

571 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:44:22am

re: #570 laZardo

And I have to choose between her and Boxer?

Duane Roberts (G-CA) it is then.

Boxer gets shit done, and she's smart. She's a very good Senator.

572 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:49:03am

Okay, this is an awesome and incredibly disturbing double:

[Link: youtubedoubler.com...]

573 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:51:47am

re: #572 Obdicut

I don't get it...and the kid needs to wipe her face.

574 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:52:40am

re: #569 lawhawk

Take Angle and Reid out of the equation. There are down ticket races. You don't think that some bit of information might come out in the next two weeks that might affect someone who is on the fence.

It's a problem I have with early voting generally.

I think the main problem the GOP has with early voting is that the Democrats are making a big effort to get out the early vote as well as the on-the-day vote.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

I really think that what you're suggesting is terrible, actually. I don't want voters deciding who to vote for based on a last-minute media frenzy, especially after Citizens United, and especially with the media the irresponsible mess that it is.

Do you really, really think that having people wait for some last-minute scandal is a responsible way for them to vote?

575 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:54:55am

re: #574 Obdicut

Do you really, really think that having people wait for some last-minute scandal is a responsible way for them to vote?

If you're a Republican, you count on it. A last minute negative ad blitz is wasted when people vote early.

576 laZardo  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:55:14am

re: #572 Obdicut

Pizzaaa~

577 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:58:12am

re: #574 Obdicut

In fact, it is a riff on the same issue with releasing information about exit polling on election day in states like Florida, TN and others that have multiple time zones. You get results in one part of the state that can affect turnout elsewhere in the state.

You can affect turnout later in the campaign with information about who's turned out already. And both parties can use that information to GOTV - targeting specific demographics and areas.

Considering that many people don't make a decision on who they vote for until before election day, reporting on turnout in drawn out election schemes can shape the outcome.

578 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:01:56am

re: #575 darthstar

If you're a Republican, you count on it. A last minute negative ad blitz is wasted when people vote early.

Heh, true.
Though, I mute political ads.
They're all bullshit, as far as I'm concerned.

579 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:02:32am

re: #577 lawhawk

Considering that many people don't make a decision on who they vote for until before election day, reporting on turnout in drawn out election schemes can shape the outcome.

You are making two simultaneous arguments:

1. Reporting on the results of early voting can have an effect.

This is true, but trivial. So can reporting on polling. I fail to see why this is something to get ones dander up, except in the case where the results are not favorable to the party one supports. This is what humans are; we are influenced by what each other do. If you're saying that people should be forbidden from having the information about how others, as a group, have voted, there's an argument to be made for that but it would face severe first amendment challenges. I don't think it would survive such.

2. People should wait until the last minute to vote in case some new information arises.

I still think this is a terrible, terrible position, for the reasons I've cited above. The media is not a responsible organ of information dissemination, and the long exposure time of candidates really should mean that what's worth knowing about them is exposed well before the election, as well as verified and fact-checked. A last-minute scandal doesn't have time to actually get thoroughly explored, and so it tends to favor those spending shitloads of money on negative ads. I don't think that's a good way to vote, influenced by last-minute scandal and rumor. I'm curious as to why you do.

580 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:05:23am

re: #571 darthstar

Boxer gets shit done, and she's smart. She's a very good Senator.

Barbara 'Don't call me Ma'am!' Boxer supported her moonbat friends in Code Pink to give money to our enemies in Fallujah while they were killing our soldiers. She sucks.

581 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:07:07am

More on Obama and Mythbusters:

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

582 laZardo  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:07:30am

I'm avoiding Republican candidates like the plague right now. It's D or G for me...

583 sagehen  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:08:51am

re: #582 laZardo

I'm avoiding Republican candidates like the plague right now. It's D or G for me...

by G I'm assuming you mean Green?

I'd think anybody open to the Greens wouldn't ever vote Republican in any case.

584 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:10:27am

re: #579 Obdicut

I'm not arguing that people should wait until the last minute, but it is human nature to procrastinate and wait until deadlines to act - like voting. The advertising is geared to that - and so is the campaigning.

This is true, but trivial. So can reporting on polling. I fail to see why this is something to get ones dander up, except in the case where the results are not favorable to the party one supports.

True but trivial? That's an assertion - not an argument. How about some facts to back that one up.

If you're looking at fairness in elections and avoiding distorting election outcomes, you would want the same effect in play regardless of who's ahead or not (which is to say preventing information like exit polling or snapshots of voters from affecting the outcome).

585 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:10:38am

re: #579 Obdicut

You are making two simultaneous arguments:

1. Reporting on the results of early voting can have an effect.

This is true, but trivial. So can reporting on polling. I fail to see why this is something to get ones dander up, except in the case where the results are not favorable to the party one supports. This is what humans are; we are influenced by what each other do. If you're saying that people should be forbidden from having the information about how others, as a group, have voted, there's an argument to be made for that but it would face severe first amendment challenges. I don't think it would survive such.

2. People should wait until the last minute to vote in case some new information arises.

I still think this is a terrible, terrible position, for the reasons I've cited above. The media is not a responsible organ of information dissemination, and the long exposure time of candidates really should mean that what's worth knowing about them is exposed well before the election, as well as verified and fact-checked. A last-minute scandal doesn't have time to actually get thoroughly explored, and so it tends to favor those spending shitloads of money on negative ads. I don't think that's a good way to vote, influenced by last-minute scandal and rumor. I'm curious as to why you do.

What about a scandal that comes out two weeks before the close of the elections, one week before the close of the elections... how much time is "totally explored" for you? Wouldn't that depend on the nature of the scandal? What if the scandal was generated by some actual legal indictment, from state or federal law enforcement agencies, not just spurious negative campaign ads by the opposition?

I could see a number of scenarios where some information comes out at the last minute and that information is reliable and straightforward enough for a voter to make a last minute adjustment in supporting or not supporting a candidate.

You can't?

586 laZardo  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:12:45am

re: #583 sagehen

by G I'm assuming you mean Green?

I'd think anybody open to the Greens wouldn't ever vote Republican in any case.

I confess that I voted McCain in 2008. And I've watched the Republicans go downhill since. Given all the time to observe their insanity and obstruction in the interim, I think maybe it is time for America to progress back to the global center especially if it means bringing in a new party to fill the balance with the Democrats nowo on the 'right.'

587 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:26:43am

re: #548 lawhawk

So I had this girlfriend in Moscow in the early 90's, Natasha. Alcoholic, nymphomaniac, chain-smoking, burningly patriotic, with intense green eyes and a degree in chemistry from the Mendeleyev Institue (The Russian equivalent of MIT or Cal Tech).

A figure right out of an espionage novel.

She tells me that she had worked as an English interpreter for the 1980 Olympics, which brought her into contact with the KGB, who hired her to "gather intelligence".

Told me that her bosses dressed her up in a black evening dress and a diamond necklace (which she had to sign for) and put her in an Intourist bar, where she was instructed to approach a group of "international drug smugglers" and to obtain information from them - using all means at her disposa, of coursel.

She says she was young and naive and could not force herself to go through with it, handed in her dress and jewels and quit the job.

If that is true, we can only be thankful, because if this lady had continued in her job, would certainly have gotten stealth technology, Pershing missile secrets and a complete set of access codes to the Pentagon computers out of us.

"Here, copy the diskettes, the blueprints are in the drawer, use my microfilm camera...just let me sleep for an hour, please!!!"

588 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:28:23am

VA textbook criticized over claims on black Confederate soldiers

A textbook distributed to Virginia fourth-graders says that thousands of African Americans fought for the South during the Civil War -- a claim rejected by most historians but often made by groups seeking to play down slavery's role as a cause of the conflict.

[...]

The Sons of Confederate Veterans also disputes the widely accepted conclusion that the struggle over slavery was the main cause of the Civil War. Instead, the group says, the war was fought "to preserve their homes and livelihood," according to John Sawyer, chief of staff of the Sons of Confederate Veterans' Army of Northern Virginia. He said the group was pleased that a state textbook accepted some of its views.

[...]

When Masoff began work on the textbook, she said she consulted a variety of sources -- history books, experts and the Internet. But when it came to one of the Civil War's most controversial themes -- the role of African Americans in the Confederacy -- she relied primarily on an Internet search.

589 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:28:59am

re: #584 lawhawk

I'm not arguing that people should wait until the last minute, but it is human nature to procrastinate and wait until deadlines to act - like voting. The advertising is geared to that - and so is the campaigning.

You were arguing that people should wait to vote, weren't you? How did I misunderstood what you were saying by:

You don't think that some bit of information might come out in the next two weeks that might affect someone who is on the fence.

It's a problem I have with early voting generally.


True but trivial? That's an assertion - not an argument. How about some facts to back that one up.

Heh. Are you asking me to back up that it's true? I figured I didn't need to, given that I was agreeing with your assertion. That it's trivial I did support through argument there-- citing that polling also influences votes, and that there would be no way to stop people being influenced by early voting other than restricting first amendment rights. Unless, of course, you're advocating getting rid of early voting, which will have the effect of disenfranchising some voters.

Can you explain what assertion you want me to back up?

If you're looking at fairness in elections and avoiding distorting election outcomes, you would want the same effect in play regardless of who's ahead or not (which is to say preventing information like exit polling or snapshots of voters from affecting the outcome).

Sure. But that has little to do with the price of fish. If you want voters to have information restricted, why is it just the information about who has gotten a higher percentage of early votes, or exit polling, restricted? Why is that a special category? Why not, say, the party allegiance be restricted as well, so that the voter has to make their choice based on actual knowledge, not on party?

And again: You keep vacillating between whether you have a problem with early voting, or with reporting on early voting. These are very, very separate issues.

590 laZardo  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:29:43am

Hmm... Jerry "California Uber Alles" Brown is back...

591 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:31:58am

re: #590 laZardo

Hmm... Jerry "California Uber Alles" Brown is back...

He'll be far better than Nurse Ratchet.

592 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:33:26am

re: #588 negativ

VA textbook criticized over claims on black Confederate soldiers

A textbook distributed to Virginia fourth-graders says that thousands of African Americans fought for the South during the Civil War -- a claim rejected by most historians but often made by groups seeking to play down slavery's role as a cause of the conflict.

Yeah, there were a lot of African-Americans embedded in Confederate units, because they had to wait on their owners.

A group of "Gens Libre de Coleur" (Free Colored Men) in New Orleans volunteered for the Confederacy very early in the war (Frederick Douglass mentioned them) but they were rejected, subsequently became a Union regiment after Louisiana was captured by the Federals in 1862.

593 webevintage  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:33:57am

re: #588 negativ

When Masoff began work on the textbook, she said she consulted a variety of sources -- history books, experts and the Internet. But when it came to one of the Civil War's most controversial themes -- the role of African Americans in the Confederacy -- she relied primarily on an Internet search.

That will get you a big fat F in some history classes....

594 laZardo  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:35:43am

re: #591 darthstar

I'd like to know though if he did good in revitalizing Oakland while he was mayor...

595 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:36:07am

re: #583 sagehen

by G I'm assuming you mean Green?

I'd think anybody open to the Greens wouldn't ever vote Republican in any case.

I have voted for both in the past - we have had a number of decent Republicans here over the years (Congressman Steve Gunderson, Governor Lee S. Dreyfus). By the same token, when there has been no one worth the office, I've voted Green as well. I'm tempted this year in the governor's race though the Democrat is probably sufficiently less bad than the Republican.

Despite being a real card carrying Socialist (DSA-USA.org) I do try to vote for the person I belive will do a better job rather than on the basis of party alone. This is not to say that I haven't voted a straight party ticket but that I certainly have not done so every time.

596 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:38:00am

re: #593 webevintage

That will get you a big fat F in some history classes...

They are pulling the old "teach the controversy" play: of course there were other factors in the Civil War than slavery, but to ignore it or downplay it is like downplaying the role of Pearl Harbor in WWII.

597 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:39:11am

re: #596 ralphieboy

Every single secession document from the Confederate states cites slavery specifically as the reason for seceding. It was states rights with slavery as the right under contest.

That is what is true, and what should be taught.

598 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:41:47am

re: #594 laZardo

I'd like to know though if he did good in revitalizing Oakland while he was mayor...

From what I read, he was a good mayor. Crime went down, and one need only drive through Oakland (which I do regularly) to see the new businesses that helped revive a number of previously distraught neighborhoods. But it's still Oakland, and always will be, so people will assume it's just a place full of crack-heads, hookers, and gangsters...and the Raiders.

599 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:42:32am

re: #598 darthstar

so people will assume it's just a place full of crack-heads, hookers, and gangsters...and the Raiders

at times!!
/

600 laZardo  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:43:43am

re: #595 wlewisiii

That was "then." Although it seems I'm only removing one party out of at least five from the list, it's still a party that is well-funded enough to do whatever it takes to obstruct any chance at social or economic progress.

And the ones that remain will still be at odds with an assumed-Democratic administration, if only a little less (in the Green case anyway).

601 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:44:46am

Best. Corn Maze. Ever.

America's Largest Corn Maze

602 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:46:39am

re: #601 darthstar

Best. Corn Maze. Ever.

America's Largest Corn Maze

Maybe

[Link: www.dailycognition.com...]

603 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:47:26am

Blast in southern Gaza injures 13 Palestinians

An explosion rocked a building owned by the Hamas security forces in the southern Gaza Strip on Wednesday injuring 13 people, medics and witnesses said.

Five children and three women were among the casualties from the blast in Tal al-Sultan near the sprawling town of Rafah on the Egyptian border, medics said.

Witnesses said they heard a loud explosion which shattered the windows of many surrounding houses.

Security officials in the Hamas-run territory had no immediate comment on the cause of the blast.

In a separate incident, Gaza-based militants fired two mortar rounds into southern Israel without causing any casualties or damage, a military statement said.

Work accident?

604 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:47:31am

re: #601 darthstar

Best. Corn Maze. Ever.

America's Largest Corn Maze

[Link: events.sfgate.com...]

605 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:48:55am

NAACP report: Tea Party Nationalism

Looks to be fairly complete.

606 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:50:52am

re: #605 Killgore Trout

That's heavy. That'll take awhile to read.

607 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:51:17am

re: #603 NJDhockeyfan

Blast in southern Gaza injures 13 Palestinians

Work accident?

Five kids and three women are killed and you joke about it?

608 allegro  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:51:22am

Gracious, here's an example of WTF for Wednesday:

Clarance Thomas's wife asks Anita Hill for apology...

Mrs Thomas left Anita a voice mail early last Saturday morning:

“Good morning Anita Hill, it’s Ginni Thomas,” it said. “I just wanted to reach across the airwaves and the years and ask you to consider something. I would love you to consider an apology sometime and some full explanation of why you did what you did with my husband.”

Ms. Thomas went on: “So give it some thought. And certainly pray about this and hope that one day you will help us understand why you did what you did. O.K., have a good day.”

609 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:52:32am

re: #606 Obdicut

That's heavy. That'll take awhile to read.

They even include our old pal Eric Odom. They cover all the bases.

610 Stanghazi  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:52:55am

re: #608 allegro

Gracious, here's an example of WTF for Wednesday:

Clarance Thomas's wife asks Anita Hill for apology...

Mrs Thomas left Anita a voice mail early last Saturday morning:

Ginni Thomas cancels previously scheduled interview with NPR's On Point at last minute. (Robert Reich to fill in.)

611 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:54:47am

re: #609 Killgore Trout

You should make a Page about it, if you haven't already.

612 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:55:36am

re: #607 darthstar

Five kids and three women are killed and you joke about it?

It ain't no joke and I expect Israel to be blamed for it shortly.

613 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:58:42am

re: #610 Stanley Sea

Ginni Thomas cancels previously scheduled interview with NPR's On Point at last minute. (Robert Reich to fill in.)

Might this be why?

But Lillian McEwen, a former Senate Judiciary Committee lawyer who said she dated Clarence Thomas from 1979 through the mid-1980s, told The Washington Post in an interview that Hill's long-ago description of Thomas's behavior resonated with her.

"The Clarence I know was certainly capable not only of doing the things that Anita Hill said he did, but it would be totally consistent with the way he lived his personal life then," said McEwen, who is writing her own memoir but has never before publicly discussed her relationship with Clarence Thomas.

614 researchok  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:59:12am

re: #607 darthstar

Five kids and three women are killed and you joke about it?

The term 'work accident' actually originated with the Palestinians.

They did not want to bomb/factories in civilian areas identified as such so they claimed the resulting explosions from improperly handling explosives. Thus, the explosions were referred to as innocuous 'work accidents'.

615 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:00:55am

re: #614 researchok

The term 'work accident' actually originated with the Palestinians.

They did not want to bomb/factories in civilian areas identified as such so they claimed the resulting explosions from improperly handling explosives. Thus, the explosions were referred to as innocuous 'work accidents'.

Seems the sickest jokes are often the ones closest to the trutth...

616 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:02:01am

re: #614 researchok

re: #615 ralphieboy

They should pursue another line of "work"

Would be better for all on BOTH sides

617 researchok  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:02:41am

re: #615 ralphieboy

Seems the sickest jokes are often the ones closest to the trutth...

Sorry for the bad grammar- on the tel yakking/net meet

618 researchok  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:05:40am

re: #616 sattv4u2

re: #615 ralphieboy

They should pursue another line of "work"

Would be better for all on BOTH sides

Good luck with that in the near term.

619 nc gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:09:35am

I use to really like this site and the positions that were espoused here about the dangers of radical Islamist as well as the defense of our best and only true ally in the middle east, Israel.

I am an evangelical (I believe in the Bible- I believe in a personal relationship with the Creator) Christian. I do however, believe in evolution. I really like Sarah Palin & Rush Limbaugh. I believe that the president was born in Hawaii and I don't believe that he is a Manchurian candidate I have many friends who are liberals (progressives). I have friends who are gay.

Now it seems that the focus of LGF is primarily toward Republicans who what to brain wash kids into Christianity- teach only creationism and abstinence and tell all kids that homosexuals are evil. None of these are good, I grant you- but you are missing the real problem that we all as Americans are facing.

What I don't understand is how thinking people can go forward in this economic and political climate and not realize that something in Washington has to change and change dramatically. Even though the President is not foreign born nor a Muslim- he is in fact the most liberal person ever to hold the office. In 21 months in office with a Democrat congress our country has run a deficit of $3 trillion dollars. That is 25% of all of the debt in the history of the country. That is $10,000 for every man woman and child in this country.

The last year that GW Bush was president with a Republican congress the budget deficit was $255 billion (I know that did not include war spending but even with that it was under $400 billion). The following years the deficit has been $550 billion, 675 billion, 1.1 trillion, 1.3 trillion. The stimulus and other budget bills increased discretionary domestic spending by 13-15% across the board. This is the new base line. We are poised to have the largest tax increase in history on January and the Fed is now buying up to $100 Billion in treasury bonds per month. With the roll back of the estate tax and the inflation of the last 8 years there are middle class folks in the northeast and on the west coast who will if they have any savings at all and there modest home is paid for will qualify for the estate tax on their death (55% on anything over $1 million).

This is insane! I know that Christine O'Donnell is a goofy inexperienced politician but I would rather have her voting than everyone of the Democrat senators and all but a hand full of Republican Senators, because I believe that she gets the economic peril that we face.

It would be great to see some of the very clever pontificators on this site to throw some comments toward the real issue of the day- the increasingly inevitable bankruptcy of this country. Because when it happens it won't matter if you are a Bible thumping, homosexual hating, creationist or a progressive gay atheist we will all be hurting and our public square of discourse will be far less free because we will be less free-

Prosperity breeds freedom, at least I believe it does. Huge national debt retards prosperity.

620 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:11:05am

Looks like we got a live one here.

621 Kronocide  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:13:33am

What does 'nc gray' mean?

622 laZardo  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:14:44am

As Robert Rainford would say...

OFF TO THE GRILL.

623 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:15:21am

re: #619 nc gray

I do not think that most of the Tea party candidates are capable of real policymaking, their skills stop at spouting ideology and vitriol at the "establishemt". That has been a problem with conservativism of late.

And her lack of basic knowledge of the Constitution and of basic science is disquieting.

624 webevintage  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:16:38am

This is insane! I know that Christine O'Donnell is a goofy inexperienced politician but I would rather have her voting than everyone of the Democrat senators and all but a hand full of Republican Senators, because I believe that she gets the economic peril that we face.

HA!
What Christine gets is that if she gets the sweet job of Senator her "economic peril" will go away and if she manages to hang on she'll have a sweet pension too.
That's what Christine knows....

625 researchok  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:16:40am

re: #619 nc gray

Welcome.

The good news is that the only thing that has changed at LGF is the tilt of the political conversation.

Radical Islam and terror has no defenders here and bad government and stupid are always highlighted, no matter where it comes from. Muslims a whole are not fair game and bigots are not tolerated.

Reasonable and rational science is appreciated and Religious belief of all stripes are respected. No point in mixing the two.

Everything else is up for conservation.

626 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:17:14am

re: #619 nc gray

If she doesn't understand basic elements of the Constitution what makes you think she has any grasp of economics?
Her personal financial history is disastrous.

627 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:19:10am

re: #619 nc gray

Well, there's a lot there.

First of all, it's understandable that maybe Charles doesn't post exactly what you want him to. But it's confusing why you think he should. Why not make your own blog where you talk about the issues you think are more important? Why ask him to do so?

We are poised to have the largest tax increase in history on January

Well, no. We are not poised to do any such thing. What is most likely is that the GOP, who announced they'd block any sort of extension for the tax cuts on 95% of the population unless the top 5% was extend to, will win the battle and that the taxes will be extended for everyone.

Furthermore, you are simultaneously talking about an out-of-control deficit and complaining about high taxes; this is rather fiscally contradictory.

This is insane! I know that Christine O'Donnell is a goofy inexperienced politician but I would rather have her voting than everyone of the Democrat senators and all but a hand full of Republican Senators, because I believe that she gets the economic peril that we face.

Why do you believe that, though? You realize you haven't given any actual reason, right?

With the roll back of the estate tax and the inflation of the last 8 years there are middle class folks in the northeast and on the west coast who will if they have any savings at all and there modest home is paid for will qualify for the estate tax on their death (55% on anything over $1 million).

Um, yeah. How many people do you think actually own homes that are worth close to a million?


Prosperity breeds freedom, at least I believe it does.

There was a huge amount of prosperity in the United States when child labor was allowed, when company scrip was paid to workers who were forced to buy items at the company store, and when pinkertons shot striking workers. Do you think things were free back then? Do you think that labor rights represent any sort of freedom, or do you think child labor represents more freedom?

628 Kronocide  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:19:37am

re: #623 ralphieboy

I do not think that most of the Tea party candidates are capable of real policymaking, their skills stop at spouting ideology and vitriol at the "establishemt". That has been a problem with conservativism of late.

And her lack of basic knowledge of the Constitution and of basic science is disquieting.

They don't understand the implications of debt any more than they understand the implications of the bible or gay marriage. They are fucking morons about homosexuals, global warming, other races, and believe the bible literally. They know 'debt, bad!' That's the end of their understanding.

Somehow O'Donnell is an idiot about everything else but on the national debt she 'get's it?' Give me a break.

629 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:19:46am

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Thats Allotta Quarters!!

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630 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:24:47am

re: #624 webevintage

completely possible-

631 theheat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:25:44am

re: #619 nc gray

I really like Sarah Palin & Rush Limbaugh... I know that Christine O'Donnell is a goofy inexperienced politician but I would rather have her voting than everyone of the Democrat senators...

Those two things, right there, are incongruent to rational thought. They are lying, hysterical, hateful, backasswards, homophobic, xenophobic, theocratic - yet you claim to not only like them, but endorse one of the most intellectually inept of the three mentioned. Each one of these people has expressed, explicity, their desire to impose their agendas on our country. This, right after you claim to not be anything like that.

Let me guess, you watch Glenn Beck because he's entertaining?

632 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:25:48am

re: #623 ralphieboy

Do you really believe that the establishment politicians are any better?

633 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:27:04am

re: #632 NC Gray

Do you really believe that the establishment politicians are any better?

What about, say, Al Fraken? He's no an establishment politician. So you like him?

634 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:27:24am

re: #631 theheat

I don't watch Glenn Beck. I do however find Rush quite entertaining.

Do you know of any 'rational' conservatives that you can agree to disagree with?

635 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:28:53am

re: #633 Obdicut

Good point, but he has shown himself to be less than polished- I think he is quite funny, loved him on SNL. But he is liberal and I disagree with most of his political positions.

636 theheat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:31:15am

re: #634 NC Gray

There's been plenty published here about the entertainment value of Rush Limbaugh. Search button is your friend.

No, I can't think of any rational conservatives in the spotlight right now, and I don't know of any. In fact, the party platform reads like stereo instructions on how to build "crazy." It's because of people like Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, and O'Donnell, among dozens of others, the GOP is dead to me.

637 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:32:21am

re: #619 nc gray

It would be great to see some of the very clever pontificators on this site to throw some comments toward the real issue of the day- the increasingly inevitable bankruptcy of this country.

Are you familiar with the Pages, where you, as a registered LGF commenter, can post whatever you want?

638 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:34:11am

re: #619 nc gray

Most liberal president evah? Hah! I say again, HAH! Don't I wish! The nation would be better off if he was as liberal as the teabaggers claim. No, he's just a MOR Dem like most of them these days in a Nation that has forgotten that it was founded by liberals & radicals.

639 Kronocide  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:35:14am

re: #635 NC Gray

Good point, but he has shown himself to be less than polished- I think he is quite funny, loved him on SNL. But he is liberal and I disagree with most of his political positions.

Even though he is liberal and I tend to disagree with his positions I'd vote for him over O'Donnell every time unless he shows the same level of inept critical thinking, xenophobia, and theocratic leanings much less serious character flaws.

You'd still vote for O'Donnell over Franken just because she 'gets it' about debt. That is clearly the ends justifying the means, the ends being conservatism and nothing else.

O'Donnell is not just ditsy on some issues, she's a serious problem along with the rest of them. I've voted Red for 20 years but at this point I'd vote liberals up and down the board over O'Donnell/Angle/Palin all fucking day.

640 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:35:48am

re: #627 Obdicut

I am not asking Charles to do anything- I really enjoy many posts-

Regarding your last point:

"There was a huge amount of prosperity in the United States when child labor was allowed, when company scrip was paid to workers who were forced to buy items at the company store, and when pinkertons shot striking workers. Do you think things were free back then? Do you think that labor rights represent any sort of freedom, or do you think child labor represents more freedom?"

I don't necessarily believe that to be true, however, at least in this country until the last couple of generations each generation was marginally better off than the previous. This accounting for increased education and life expectancy.

To quote President Kennedy "a rising tide lifts all boats." The economy is not a zero sum game. Rather it is dynamic and on the whole as the rich getting richer the poor get richer too.

641 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:38:42am

re: #638 wlewisiii

Yes we were founded by the most liberal men in the world at that time. And they believed in limited government and that all rights ultimately derived from the creator.

I don't think any of them would be at home with todays liberal/progressives.

642 iossarian  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:38:45am

re: #640 NC Gray


To quote President Kennedy "a rising tide lifts all boats." The economy is not a zero sum game. Rather it is dynamic and on the whole as the rich getting richer the poor get richer too.

Interesting. In that case, how do you explain the past 30 years, during which middle class income has flatlined while the top 5% of earners have been massively enriched?

Specifically, how do you explain that with particular reference to the fact that economic policy shifted markedly to the right in that period?

643 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:39:18am

re: #637 wrenchwench

Yes I am aware of the pages, thanks for the advice though.

644 Coracle  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:40:12am

re: #640 NC Gray

To quote President Kennedy "a rising tide lifts all boats." The economy is not a zero sum game. Rather it is dynamic and on the whole as the rich getting richer the poor get richer too.

If that were true. This last decade the rich have been getting richer on the backs of stagnating or backfalling poor and middle class. This is not some esoteric number game. It's pretty damn clear your wishful claim is simply not true - and it is not true in no small part because of the fiscal policies of the people you'd like to see back in power.

645 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:49:02am

re: #635 NC Gray

Good point, but he has shown himself to be less than polished- I think he is quite funny, loved him on SNL. But he is liberal and I disagree with most of his political positions.

So, if you were being honest, it's not 'establishment politicians' you have a problem with, but liberal ones, right?

646 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:50:15am

re: #640 NC Gray

You didn't actually answer my question. Could you try to actually answer my question?

There was a lot of prosperity back during the early 1900s in America. There was also massive exploitation of workers. Do you think that was a time of high freedom?

647 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:53:00am

re: #641 NC Gray

And they believed ... that all rights ultimately derived from the creator.
.

This part is not actually true. There were a wide spread of beliefs on the part of the founding fathers, and many of them were deists of the 'nature's god' stripe, who believed rights stemmed from our existence as sentient beings.

648 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:13:38am

re: #612 NJDhockeyfan

It ain't no joke and I expect Israel to be blamed for it shortly.

When/if that happens you can be rightly offended...and I'm sure you'll not hesitate to post it here.

649 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:52:29am

re: #621 BigPapa

What does 'nc gray' mean?

An alien from Nova Ceti?

/ ;)

650 TedStriker  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:58:59am

re: #619 nc gray

"But, but...LGF has changed!!!11ty"

651 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:05:24am

re: #650 talon_262

"But, but...LGF has changed!!!11ty"

Registered since: Feb 4, 2010 at 1:27 pm

I mean, I know LGF has changed, but not that much since February!

652 jaydub  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 12:23:26pm

Well, at least HuffPo has something to link from you now, to keep up the LGF is a hate site myth.

653 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:47:30pm

re: #651 wrenchwench

ok know it all- i tried to register for years back when the registration box said registration closed except for a few Sunday afternoons Pacific time.

654 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:34:59pm

re: #644 Coracle

My response: Tax policy in the US has reached a point where nearly 50% of all wage earners pay no income tax. (I understand that these folks still pay payroll taxes and this tax is highly regressive.) The folks at the bottom 20% pay less than 4% of their total income on income and payroll taxes combined because of the earned income tax credit which is really a wealth transfer vehicle.

The top 1% of wage earners pay 21% of federal income taxes.
The top 5% of wage earners pay 35% of federal income taxes.
The top 10% of wage earners pay 45% of federal income taxes.
The top 20% of wage earners pay 59% of federal income taxes.

The top 20% earn at least $91,202-

To me the problem with the statement the 'rich' don't pay their fair share is what is their fair share? What is going to happen when more than 50% of our citizenry pay no income taxes? They will be able to vote for politicians who will vote to take an even higher % of the 'rich' income. All of this not withstanding the question: Who do the not rich work for and how are they going to be able to keep their jobs when their 'rich' business owner boss is out of business because it is not profitable?

According to statistics released by the IRS for 2007 the most recent year- we could completely confiscate all income of individuals earing over $1 million dollars and it would not be sufficient to balance the budget this year- (Approx. 390,000 returns and less than $1.4 trillion in adjusted gross income- remember they have already paid 35% of that in federal income taxes).

Lets go further we could confiscate all income of folks with an adjusted gross income of $500,000 and over and still not balance the budget- (just over 1 million returns and an a total income of $1.8 trillion). The $1.15 trillion left after they pay their 35% in taxes will not cover this year's $1.4 trillion budget deficit!

What we have is a spending problem not a tax problem.

655 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:59:49pm

re: #646 Obdicut

I don't believe that there was 'a lot' of prosperity in the late 1800 and early 1900s. There were a few very rich but not nearly as many upper class earners as we have today.

However, even then there was opportunity here, that is why so many fled the Europe for a better life.

656 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:11:00pm

re: #619 nc gray

I use to really like this site and the positions that were espoused here about the dangers of radical Islamist as well as the defense of our best and only true ally in the middle east, Israel.

I am an evangelical (I believe in the Bible- I believe in a personal relationship with the Creator) Christian. I do however, believe in evolution. I really like Sarah Palin & Rush Limbaugh. I believe that the president was born in Hawaii and I don't believe that he is a Manchurian candidate I have many friends who are liberals (progressives). I have friends who are gay.

Now it seems that the focus of LGF is primarily toward Republicans who what to brain wash kids into Christianity- teach only creationism and abstinence and tell all kids that homosexuals are evil. None of these are good, I grant you- but you are missing the real problem that we all as Americans are facing.

What I don't understand is how thinking people can go forward in this economic and political climate and not realize that something in Washington has to change and change dramatically. Even though the President is not foreign born nor a Muslim- he is in fact the most liberal person ever to hold the office. In 21 months in office with a Democrat congress our country has run a deficit of $3 trillion dollars. That is 25% of all of the debt in the history of the country. That is $10,000 for every man woman and child in this country.

The last year that GW Bush was president with a Republican congress the budget deficit was $255 billion (I know that did not include war spending but even with that it was under $400 billion). The following years the deficit has been $550 billion, 675 billion, 1.1 trillion, 1.3 trillion. The stimulus and other budget bills increased discretionary domestic spending by 13-15% across the board. This is the new base line. We are poised to have the largest tax increase in history on January and the Fed is now buying up to $100 Billion in treasury bonds per month. With the roll back of the estate tax and the inflation of the last 8 years there are middle class folks in the northeast and on the west coast who will if they have any savings at all and there modest home is paid for will qualify for the estate tax on their death (55% on anything over $1 million).

This is insane! I know that Christine O'Donnell is a goofy inexperienced politician but I would rather have her voting than everyone of the Democrat senators and all but a hand full of Republican Senators, because I believe that she gets the economic peril that we face.

It would be great to see some of the very clever pontificators on this site to throw some comments toward the real issue of the day- the increasingly inevitable bankruptcy of this country. Because when it happens it won't matter if you are a Bible thumping, homosexual hating, creationist or a progressive gay atheist we will all be hurting and our public square of discourse will be far less free because we will be less free-

Prosperity breeds freedom, at least I believe it does. Huge national debt retards prosperity.

Prosperity breeds freedom?

Then explain countries like Dubai and Saudi Arabia....

657 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:15:46pm

re: #654 NC Gray

My response: Tax policy in the US has reached a point where nearly 50% of all wage earners pay no income tax. (I understand that these folks still pay payroll taxes and this tax is highly regressive.) The folks at the bottom 20% pay less than 4% of their total income on income and payroll taxes combined because of the earned income tax credit which is really a wealth transfer vehicle.

The top 1% of wage earners pay 21% of federal income taxes.
The top 5% of wage earners pay 35% of federal income taxes.
The top 10% of wage earners pay 45% of federal income taxes.
The top 20% of wage earners pay 59% of federal income taxes.

The top 20% earn at least $91,202-

To me the problem with the statement the 'rich' don't pay their fair share is what is their fair share? What is going to happen when more than 50% of our citizenry pay no income taxes? They will be able to vote for politicians who will vote to take an even higher % of the 'rich' income. All of this not withstanding the question: Who do the not rich work for and how are they going to be able to keep their jobs when their 'rich' business owner boss is out of business because it is not profitable?

According to statistics released by the IRS for 2007 the most recent year- we could completely confiscate all income of individuals earing over $1 million dollars and it would not be sufficient to balance the budget this year- (Approx. 390,000 returns and less than $1.4 trillion in adjusted gross income- remember they have already paid 35% of that in federal income taxes).

Lets go further we could confiscate all income of folks with an adjusted gross income of $500,000 and over and still not balance the budget- (just over 1 million returns and an a total income of $1.8 trillion). The $1.15 trillion left after they pay their 35% in taxes will not cover this year's $1.4 trillion budget deficit!

What we have is a spending problem not a tax problem.

Here's the thing.

Federal Income tax isn't the only kind of tax that our government takes in, not by a long shot.

658 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:25:00pm

re: #656 jamesfirecat

Prosperity breeds freedom?

Then explain countries like Dubai and Saudi Arabia...

OH SNAP!!!!!!!!!

659 eastwald  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:50:37pm

Dey took our jarbs!!

This email is ironic, since I used to check the site once in a blue moon (I used to respectfully disagree). Now I'm checking it out several times a day.

660 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:06:19pm

re: #655 NC Gray

Why does the number of high income earners matter?

And if it does, shouldn't you be more concerned about fewer and fewer people earning more and more, and the middle class earning less and less, over the past twenty years?

Yet, your concern is somehow for the taxes on the people on the top.

You contradict yourself. A lot.

661 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:11:58pm

re: #660 Obdicut

That is just false. In a growing economy (one where the actual GDP growth exceeds the rate of inflation) the # of high income earners do increase. But I do get your point that individually this doesn't matter much. The US like no other place has individuals who have 'made it big' and 'lost it all' and did it again.

We, in this country, live in a true land flowing with milk and honey- if not why does everyone else in the world seek the opportunity to come here first?

And I don't contradict myself- if you think so speak specifically please!

662 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:15:34pm

re: #661 NC Gray

Well, hello mister bad karma!

663 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:16:48pm

re: #657 jamesfirecat

I agree-

so what-

No one is talking about the other taxes just that the 'rich' don't pay enough income taxes.

I don't like regressive taxes! Tobacco, alcohol, or sales...

But, that does not mean that we get ahead in society by punitively taxing people who are either high skill or have the ability to build and lead (as though that is not a skill). The possessive's care deeply about our illegal immigrants but it is the 'rich' who employee these folks- If we want more then we need at least on a percentage basis more 'rich'.

664 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:17:45pm

re: #662 WindUpBird

Yea, i just realized that i don't rank high on that here, o'well...

665 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:19:25pm

re: #663 NC Gray

yeah man, what needs to happen is the people with hundreds or thousands of times the amount of income they need to survive, they need to be taxed LESS than people who end up with an overdraft at the end of the month between rent and meds

Got it!

666 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:19:46pm

re: #663 NC Gray

You sorta read like a character from an Ayn Rand novel

667 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:24:36pm

re: #661 NC Gray

I'm sorry, your reply didn't make any sense.

The wealth disparity in this country has been growing over the past twenty years; more money concentrated in fewer people.

Do you get that?

668 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:50:41pm

re: #663 NC Gray

I agree-

so what-

No one is talking about the other taxes just that the 'rich' don't pay enough income taxes.

I don't like regressive taxes! Tobacco, alcohol, or sales...

But, that does not mean that we get ahead in society by punitively taxing people who are either high skill or have the ability to build and lead (as though that is not a skill). The possessive's care deeply about our illegal immigrants but it is the 'rich' who employee these folks- If we want more then we need at least on a percentage basis more 'rich'.

The top income tax brackets used to be in the 90's it's now in the high 30's.

So yeah, don't tell me there isn't room to squeeze the rich for more, especially when the gap between the haves and have nots is getting larger.

669 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:53:18pm

re: #663 NC Gray

I agree-

so what-

No one is talking about the other taxes just that the 'rich' don't pay enough income taxes.

I don't like regressive taxes! Tobacco, alcohol, or sales...

But, that does not mean that we get ahead in society by punitively taxing people who are either high skill or have the ability to build and lead (as though that is not a skill). The possessive's care deeply about our illegal immigrants but it is the 'rich' who employee these folks- If we want more then we need at least on a percentage basis more 'rich'.

Also I fail to see why we should fall down on our knees and worship the rich when so many of them have only gotten that way through inheritance.

I'll respect Bill Gates, and similar people who made their fortunes but those who got where they are through hand me downs... why should they have a right to keep so much of what fortune gave them, what did they do to earn it?

I support a higher "death tax" for that reason.

It wouldn't don't punish those who do well, just force their offspring to step it up.

670 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:19:16pm

re: #669 jamesfirecat

what is the limit?

who's business is it what some is worth or makes?

where i work you would never ask what do you make?

Where has rugged individualism gone? Where is personal responsibility?

I speak as a small business owner who owes the IRS more than $10K and who employs 15 people and by the same IRS returns shows that I am in the top 3.5%-

Yet I live in a modest 4 bedroom 2 bath house with my 5 children and my sometimes less than adoring wife. My wife runs the business and we take less than $45k per year in salary for her and I take none. I have a great job that I love in sales and since 1999 I have averaged around $125k per year. However, in 2000 I made nearly $300K, and yes I thought that I was rich but I was not-

WE HAVE SPENDING PROBLEM- Not a tax revenue problem!

671 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:20:07pm

re: #670 NC Gray

what is the limit?

who's business is it what some is worth or makes?

where i work you would never ask what do you make?

Where has rugged individualism gone? Where is personal responsibility?

I speak as a small business owner who owes the IRS more than $10K and who employs 15 people and by the same IRS returns shows that I am in the top 3.5%-

Yet I live in a modest 4 bedroom 2 bath house with my 5 children and my sometimes less than adoring wife. My wife runs the business and we take less than $45k per year in salary for her and I take none. I have a great job that I love in sales and since 1999 I have averaged around $125k per year. However, in 2000 I made nearly $300K, and yes I thought that I was rich but I was not-

WE HAVE SPENDING PROBLEM- Not a tax revenue problem!

Okay big shot.

What would you cut spending on?

672 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:22:25pm

re: #670 NC Gray

Did you just seriously say that it's nobody else's business what anyone makes?

So you're just opposed to all income tax?

What a loony.

673 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:23:41pm

re: #670 NC Gray

what is the limit?

who's business is it what some is worth or makes?

where i work you would never ask what do you make?

Where has rugged individualism gone? Where is personal responsibility?

I speak as a small business owner who owes the IRS more than $10K and who employs 15 people and by the same IRS returns shows that I am in the top 3.5%-

Yet I live in a modest 4 bedroom 2 bath house with my 5 children and my sometimes less than adoring wife. My wife runs the business and we take less than $45k per year in salary for her and I take none. I have a great job that I love in sales and since 1999 I have averaged around $125k per year. However, in 2000 I made nearly $300K, and yes I thought that I was rich but I was not-

WE HAVE SPENDING PROBLEM- Not a tax revenue problem!

By the way you know what I bet would reignite the rugged individualism you so desire?

A 50% death tax on all assets in excess of a million dollars.

Kids get to keep a million dollars of their parents money and then after that half of it goes to Uncle Sam.

Those kids want to stay rich? They're gonna have to earn it the same way their parents did!

674 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:24:34pm

re: #668 jamesfirecat

Really!

You want to take 90% of what someone who has talent and/or ability earns?

Move to France- Italy or Spain.

OR better yet grow up and earn you own way.

The quote un-quote poor are richer here than in 90+% of the rest of the world.

You my 'friend' are a communist. And I mean that with all due respect!

Other than that markets are markets and if we instituted a 90% income tax bracket people would almost immediately realize that they did not earn income but rather capital gains or some other form of compensation.

675 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:28:40pm

re: #673 jamesfirecat

Are you taunting happy fun tax loony? :D

676 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:29:42pm

re: #674 NC Gray

Really!

You want to take 90% of what someone who has talent and/or ability earns?

Move to France- Italy or Spain.

OR better yet grow up and earn you own way.

The quote un-quote poor are richer here than in 90+% of the rest of the world.

You my 'friend' are a communist. And I mean that with all due respect!

Other than that markets are markets and if we instituted a 90% income tax bracket people would almost immediately realize that they did not earn income but rather capital gains or some other form of compensation.

So FDR, the man who lead our country out of the depression and saw us through WW2 was a communist?

677 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:30:41pm

Look, inherited wealth and title is what created the stratified class systems in Europe. If you don't have to do anything to support yourself other than be born into the right family, why work all that hard?

I'm more hard core than James is, in that I think the death tax should leave one's children with enough to bury you and that's about it. Let em fend for themselves!

678 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:30:48pm

re: #674 NC Gray

Really!

You want to take 90% of what someone who has talent and/or ability earns?

Move to France- Italy or Spain.

OR better yet grow up and earn you own way.

The quote un-quote poor are richer here than in 90+% of the rest of the world.

You my 'friend' are a communist. And I mean that with all due respect!

Other than that markets are markets and if we instituted a 90% income tax bracket people would almost immediately realize that they did not earn income but rather capital gains or some other form of compensation.

Yeah those lucky poor, I hear some of them even get free places to sleep rather than having to be out on the sidewalk!

I'm not arguing about the income tax any more lets leave it where it is.

How do you feel about a larger death tax?

679 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:30:55pm

re: #676 jamesfirecat

So FDR, the man who lead our country out of the depression and saw us through WW2 was a communist?

These guys are just so easy to slap around :D

680 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:32:45pm

re: #678 jamesfirecat

compelling innovation and having to make a living > sitting around on your fat rich ass achieving tumescence with your trust fund :D

681 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:34:09pm

re: #670 NC Gray

hahahaha I'm just going to continue to quote you

I made nearly $300K, and yes I thought that I was rich but I was not-

682 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:34:27pm

Cry for this guy, he's practically destitute


I made nearly $300K, and yes I thought that I was rich but I was not-
683 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:34:46pm

re: #672 Obdicut

no i am fine with income tax but the rate that any individual pays is not determined by how much someone makes!

I once was a fairly good basketball player. I played with more than a few really good basketball players. The best of the best of those played in the NBA- The difference between them and me was as different as I am to an Australian Aboriginal- (I am a white 5'9" guy who at his prime weighed 180 lbs. I could touch the rim but not dunk- I could shoot but on on a streak.)

I am ok at golf- My best round ever is 79- I have played golf with some Senior Tour players the difference between my ability and theirs is greater than the difference in my basketball ability!

If you have talent that deserves some reward- There is a difference of ability in everything- There is nothing that government can do equalize this.

You doubt me? Watch MSNBC some early Saturday or Sunday morning- the show is called 'Locked Up'. In prison some inmates have ability- strength, money or gang connections, but for whatever reason they have it-

The way things are now are getting more like Locked up because it is getting to be more like who you know or how close you are to someone who does know.

684 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:35:20pm

re: #682 WindUpBird

Cry for this guy, he's practically destitute


I thought I was poor because I had no boots until I met a man who had no feet.

I thought I was rich because I made 300K until I met a man who made 3 million driving a company into the bankruptcy!

685 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:35:46pm

re: #683 NC Gray

no i am fine with income tax but the rate that any individual pays is not determined by how much someone makes!

I once was a fairly good basketball player. I played with more than a few really good basketball players. The best of the best of those played in the NBA- The difference between them and me was as different as I am to an Australian Aboriginal- (I am a white 5'9" guy who at his prime weighed 180 lbs. I could touch the rim but not dunk- I could shoot but on on a streak.)

I am ok at golf- My best round ever is 79- I have played golf with some Senior Tour players the difference between my ability and theirs is greater than the difference in my basketball ability!

If you have talent that deserves some reward- There is a difference of ability in everything- There is nothing that government can do equalize this.

You doubt me? Watch MSNBC some early Saturday or Sunday morning- the show is called 'Locked Up'. In prison some inmates have ability- strength, money or gang connections, but for whatever reason they have it-

The way things are now are getting more like Locked up because it is getting to be more like who you know or how close you are to someone who does know.

"but the rate that any individual pays is not determined by how much someone makes!"

So you want a flat income tax just so we're clear?

686 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:36:13pm

re: #679 WindUpBird

He was lost-

He had know idea what he was doing-

But hey that is a whole college course. I could teach it could you pass it?

687 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:37:05pm

re: #685 jamesfirecat

That might be better, but a larger graduated tax is ultimately only going to hurt those at the margin!

688 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:38:10pm

I mean, shit, let's get out the tin cup and the handwritten side on cardboard from the Wendy's across the street, WILL SOMEONE SAVE ME?!?!?

I made nearly $300K, and yes I thought that I was rich but I was not-


Practically wearing a barrel, shit I don't know how you manage to hang on

689 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:38:41pm

re: #686 NC Gray

He was lost-

He had know idea what he was doing-

But hey that is a whole college course. I could teach it could you pass it?

Hopefully you're not teaching me grammar

690 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:39:03pm

re: #686 NC Gray

He was lost-

He had know idea what he was doing-

But hey that is a whole college course. I could teach it could you pass it?

He had "know" idea what he was doing?

Really?

Tell me more, about how FDR ruined America!

691 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:39:54pm

re: #687 NC Gray

That might be better, but a larger graduated tax is ultimately only going to hurt those at the margin!

Where as a flat sales tax will only end up hurting everyone who is already down on their luck rather than just those at the margin of being semi sorta rich!

692 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:39:56pm

re: #684 jamesfirecat

I thought I was poor because I had no boots until I met a man who had no feet.

I thought I was rich because I made 300K until I met a man who made 3 million driving a company into the bankruptcy!

I thought I was poor because I had no feet, until I man who had no blood


I thought I rich because I had solid gold rims, until I met the man with a solid gold asshole

693 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:40:29pm

re: #690 jamesfirecat

He had "know" idea what he was doing?

Really?

Tell me more, about how FDR ruined America!

He's from the Point of Know Tax Return

GOD DAMN I AM FUNNY

694 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:41:34pm

re: #691 jamesfirecat

Where as a flat sales tax will only end up hurting everyone who is already down on their luck rather than just those at the margin of being semi sorta rich!

Oh I had to pay such brutal taxes this year, I bought that Mercedes AMG, oh the sales tax KILLLED ME

I'm all flush, someone fetch me my cognac

695 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:45:24pm

re: #683 NC Gray

If you have talent that deserves some reward- There is a difference of ability in everything- There is nothing that government can do equalize this.

Well, yes there is. That's why we invented government, actually, so that the person with the biggest talent for being a violent sociopath couldn't kill us.

Do you understand that?

696 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:47:33pm

re: #695 Obdicut

Well, yes there is. That's why we invented government, actually, so that the person with the biggest talent for being a violent sociopath couldn't kill us.

Do you understand that?

Jack Napier does, he laughs himself to sleep every night because of it.

697 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:49:17pm

re: #684 jamesfirecat

So, if you make $300K in one year and after taxes and expenses you can save $95k. Your wife who is good at what she does wants to start a company and you go to the bank and barrow $200k and put it with your $95K.

Start a company and hire 10 people and after 6 years you have lost enough money that even though your income is above (well above $175K) you still are in the 15% tax bracket and you company is still in the red with revenue well above $1.2 million.

Am I rich? I have 5 children and their college funds are funded enough to insure their education at a state school. We drive cars that were manufactured before 9/11/01.

AM I RICH- I think not.

and there are 100s of thousands of me in this economy.

Raise taxes too much, change deductions too much- i close my store lay off my employees and bring my wife home and we do with what we can with my $150k + income.

Less taxes is more jobs- IT IS NOT A ZEOR SUM GAME!

698 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:51:34pm

re: #697 NC Gray

So, if you make $300K in one year and after taxes and expenses you can save $95k. Your wife who is good at what she does wants to start a company and you go to the bank and barrow $200k and put it with your $95K.

Start a company and hire 10 people and after 6 years you have lost enough money that even though your income is above (well above $175K) you still are in the 15% tax bracket and you company is still in the red with revenue well above $1.2 million.

Am I rich? I have 5 children and their college funds are funded enough to insure their education at a state school. We drive cars that were manufactured before 9/11/01.

AM I RICH- I think not.

and there are 100s of thousands of me in this economy.

Raise taxes too much, change deductions too much- i close my store lay off my employees and bring my wife home and we do with what we can with my $150k + income.

Less taxes is more jobs- IT IS NOT A ZEOR SUM GAME!

Like I said, fine you win, we'll lower income taxes.

How do you feel about us jacking the death tax upwards to try and inspire more of the old "pioneer spirit" among the idle rich?

699 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:51:56pm

re: #695 Obdicut

yes but the government is not focusing on saving us from the violent fringe are they-

no they are in sighting class hatred...

700 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:52:18pm

re: #697 NC Gray

Why would you close your store if you were still making an after-tax profit? You just hate earning money?

Why would you lay off employees if they were still a net profit for you?

And can I get the story on your company straight?

You invested $295,000 in a company. In six years you're doing 1.2 million revenue, with ten employees, but you're in the red-- you have costs above 1.2 million dollars?

701 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:53:44pm

re: #699 NC Gray

yes but the government is not focusing on saving us from the violent fringe are they-

no they are in sighting class hatred...

Can you concentrate a wee bit on spelling things correctly? I know you're probably busy being a titan of industry and all, but it really makes you looks rather silly to have so many simple errors in every post.

So, you understand that part of the purpose of government is to ensure that some talents aren't rewarded. Good.

So why did you claim that government can't do anything about the natural order of things?

702 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:54:25pm

re: #699 NC Gray

yes but the government is not focusing on saving us from the violent fringe are they-

no they are in sighting class hatred...

"Class hatred' dam it why couldn't you have said "class warfair" that's all I need for my talking points bingo!

How dare the government say rich people should have to give up proportionally more of their wealth in taxes then poor or middle class people?

The very idea, it's so scandelous I can't maintain my composure, quick someone fetch my fainting couch and smelling salts!

703 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:55:38pm

re: #698 jamesfirecat

How many idle rich do you suppose there are? We are headed for Weimarer Republic style hyper inflation- when it is through anyone with an average job will be wealthy enough to pay estate taxes.

704 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:57:50pm

re: #700 Obdicut

re: #702 jamesfirecat

But they do give up proportionality more of their income in taxes that what progressive tax system do.

705 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:58:02pm

re: #703 NC Gray

Can you explain the mechanism by which hyperinflation will occur?

706 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:58:39pm

re: #704 NC Gray


Try actually answering my questions, instead of saying something completely irrelevant to what I asked, okay?

707 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:58:53pm

re: #703 NC Gray

How many idle rich do you suppose there are? We are headed for Weimarer Republic style hyper inflation- when it is through anyone with an average job will be wealthy enough to pay estate taxes.

Give me some proof that we're headed for the hyper inflation.

And what do you have against the idea of a death tax?

Allowing people to keep the entire fortune their parents worked hard to make destories their need to work hard.

Or is it the only the good for nothing lazy middle and lower class bums who have lost their "rugged individualism" in this day and age?

708 jaunte  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:59:30pm

There's an interesting chart on the effects of corporate tax vs. unemployment here:

Corporate Tax Rates and Unemployment
...If you look at the entire data set, the correlation between tax rates and unemployment appears to negative. That is to say, lower unemployment rates tend to be associated with higher corporate tax rates, not lower ones. [Link: www.presimetrics.com...]
709 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:00:52pm

re: #701 Obdicut

yes i should focus more on spelling- it is my weakness. Sorry please forgive me. And I am no tighten of anything-

But as I am learning there are no posters here who have led any business that has risk involved..

710 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:01:47pm

re: #709 NC Gray

yes i should focus more on spelling- it is my weakness. Sorry please forgive me. And I am no tighten of anything-

But as I am learning there are no posters here who have led any business that has risk involved..

You mean there are people here who have lead businesses that have no risk involved?

Who are they so that I can ask them how they can make so much money!

711 jaunte  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:01:49pm

re: #709 NC Gray

You are mistaken.

712 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:02:15pm

re: #709 NC Gray

yes i should focus more on spelling- it is my weakness. Sorry please forgive me. And I am no tighten of anything-

But as I am learning there are no posters here who have led any business that has risk involved..

I own my own small business, of which I am the sole employee. There's a lot of risk involved, as I have to win bids on a monthly basis. It's a lot of fun.

You haven't answered any of my questions.

Have you maybe been drinking a little tonight?

713 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:02:24pm

re: #705 Obdicut

The Fed just announced that it is going to begin to purchase treasury notes at a rate not exceeding $100 billion per month.

My fellow LGF poster this is printing money on steroids!

Inflation will follow just wait and see!

714 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:03:19pm

re: #713 NC Gray

I can readily believe inflation is going to happen.

But you predicted hyperinflation.

Can you point to any reputable economist who thinks it's a possibility? Or are you smarter than all of those yeggheads?

715 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:04:32pm

re: #712 Obdicut

Ask them again...

I have have had my glass of tequila (5 fingers with ice).

I will answer, however, my little ones need to be put to bed so i may take a few minutes off...

716 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:07:14pm

re: #715 NC Gray

Ask them again...

I have have had my glass of tequila (5 fingers with ice).

I will answer, however, my little ones need to be put to bed so i may take a few minutes off...

Will miss you, we haven't had this much fun since the black female Ron Paul Libertarian, or the guy who said that he wanted to make a non religious argument for why abortion should be illegalized!

717 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:09:33pm

re: #715 NC Gray

Just look back over my last five or so posts to you, to the many questions you simply sailed past, and answer them.

718 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:10:08pm

Ok folks my 15 rounds are up-

I am out of here tonight-

But just know that we don't have a revenue problem we have a spending problem and the 'Rich' are not the solution.

There is no magic teddy bear at the end of the closet only hard work.

I am sure all of my detractors tonight are hard workers who pay their own way and that is great but don't pin the hopes of the country on what you can take from someone who has(d) earned- who is dead or alive and be able to make all things right.

and who ever said i sounded like a character in an Ayn Rand novel- Thanks- I think!

Have a great evening!

719 Jadespring  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:10:20pm

re: #709 NC Gray

yes i should focus more on spelling- it is my weakness. Sorry please forgive me. And I am no tighten of anything-

But as I am learning there are no posters here who have led any business that has risk involved..

Or there are posters who have and do and just just aren't bothering to post about it.

720 jaunte  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:13:12pm

re: #719 Jadespring

Generally speaking, a beneficial business practice could be expressed as (less tequila during the week = more revenue at the end of the month), but others' mileage may vary.

721 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:13:28pm

re: #718 NC Gray

You haven't provided a single shred of real argument. Just a big heap of often contradictory assertions.

Plus bragging a lot.

While dodging questions.

I hope tomorrow, while sober, you realize you've made yourself a bit of a fool.

722 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:14:00pm

re: #714 Obdicut

ok just inflation-

But we are in deep debt-

nearly our entire GDP and we are the largest economy in the world and we need the dollars of other less than friendly countries to continue to purchase our debt.

Today Chine raised interest rates by .25%.

Our fed is buying treasury notes when our Federal Funds rate is near 0. We are creating a defacto less than 0% interest rate...

723 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:14:26pm

re: #720 jaunte

yes too true, sorry the wife is out of town

724 Jadespring  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:14:39pm

re: #720 jaunte

Generally speaking, a beneficial business practice could be expressed as (less tequila during the week = more revenue at the end of the month), but others' mileage may vary.

Ah I missed the part where tequila was involved. :)

725 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:15:07pm

re: #718 NC Gray

Ok folks my 15 rounds are up-

I am out of here tonight-

But just know that we don't have a revenue problem we have a spending problem and the 'Rich' are not the solution.

There is no magic teddy bear at the end of the closet only hard work.

I am sure all of my detractors tonight are hard workers who pay their own way and that is great but don't pin the hopes of the country on what you can take from someone who has(d) earned- who is dead or alive and be able to make all things right.

and who ever said i sounded like a character in an Ayn Rand novel- Thanks- I think!

Have a great evening!

You still haven't said what we should cut spending in.

726 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:15:42pm

re: #721 Obdicut

bragging about what- I have told my story...

I was not bragging-

If i had to do it again i would not have. It is really more trouble than it is worth.

727 NC Gray  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:17:46pm

re: #716 jamesfirecat

i am already missing you...

but i will be back there is a fair amount of educating that needs to happen here.

728 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:18:47pm

re: #727 NC Gray

i am already missing you...

but i will be back there is a fair amount of educating that needs to happen here.

Do you mean back to necro this thread, or will you take part in other discussions as well?

729 Jadespring  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:19:31pm

re: #727 NC Gray

i am already missing you...

but i will be back there is a fair amount of educating that needs to happen here.

Thanks for the offer, but for me at least, my business education is all good and peachy keen right now.

730 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:23:48pm

re: #722 NC Gray

You do realize that, if debt is our main problem, inflation would be a good thing, right?

731 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:24:18pm

re: #723 NC Gray

So, um, who's looking after the kids while you drink shitloads of tequila?

732 yasharki  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:16:24pm

Just a stupid question. Why not post entire message, headers and all? Just wondering... Back in the day email quotes were considered foobar unless they were accompanied by smtp headers.

733 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:42:09pm

re: #437 rwdflynavy

The ad tries to make the point that a hate crimes bill would have stopped the 3 racists from killing that poor man.

If someone is determined to get his/her "kicks" by ganging up with similarly inclined folks to kill someone, I don't think a hate crimes addendum to a possible indictment is going to deter him/her/it.

"Get the needle for killing someone? OK, I'll run that risk. Five years extra for a hate crime? Oh, gee, I'd better reconsider..."

734 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:56:31pm

re: #603 NJDhockeyfan

Blast in southern Gaza injures 13 Palestinians

Work accident?

Not-so-smart bombs.

re: #673 jamesfirecat

By the way you know what I bet would reignite the rugged individualism you so desire?

A 50% death tax on all assets in excess of a million dollars.

Kids get to keep a million dollars of their parents money and then after that half of it goes to Uncle Sam.

Those kids want to stay rich? They're gonna have to earn it the same way their parents did!

Works for me. Just try to get the trust fund babies and the politicians they buy with Grandpa's money to vote for it.

YOU worked for it? You get to keep most of it.
YOU married it? OK, same deal
YOU are a descendant of someone who worked for it? F*** you, ya lazy sh**. You've probably benefited from it all your life, so take your superior breeding and education and make your own damned money.

If you can't live on half of the fortune someone else made, too bad. Mommy and Daddy's $5 million is only $3 million after the estate tax? Cry me a river.

735 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:12:08pm

ZEOR SUM GAME

736 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:14:22pm

re: #715 NC Gray

Ask them again...

I have have had my glass of tequila (5 fingers with ice).

I will answer, however, my little ones need to be put to bed so i may take a few minutes off...

Wow, this is some post right here


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