Joe Miller’s Unlicensed Security Guards and the Alaska Citizens Militia

The unlicensed security firm hired by Alaskan Tea Party loon Joe Miller, Dropzone Security Services, is run by William F. Fulton, a “commander” of the “Alaska Citizens Militia” — a group so rabid and extreme the leader, Norman E. Olson, was thrown out of the Michigan Militia.

How extreme do you have to be to wind up on the far right of the Michigan Militia? This extreme: Revealed: Joe Miller hired security company whose owner is local commander and supplier of extreme Alaska militia, led by AIP-member Norm Olson.

Read the whole thing; you won’t believe how crazy these people are; there are also ties to the Alaska Independence Party, the secessionist group to which Todd Palin belonged.

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53 comments
1 theheat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:40:52am

Oh, the good old days, when nobody thought Tod Palin’s tryst with the secessionists was any big thang. No, just an indication of a larger agenda, that’s all.

These people are riled up and ready to go at the drop of a pin. Believe it.

2 iossarian  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:42:29am

Color me unsurprised.

3 Kronocide  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:44:15am

re: #1 theheat

Oh, the good old days, when nobody thought Tod Palin’s tryst with the secessionists was any big thang. No, just an indication of a larger agenda, that’s all.

These people are riled up and ready to go at the drop of a pin. Believe it.

God forbid if Michelle Obama wrote some angry critique of white culture while in college.

4 theheat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:49:37am

re: #3 BigPapa

These days, maybe she’d be right. Ever stop to think about that?

5 shutdown  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:52:06am

Looks like my gut reaction to these people as fascist enforcers was correct.

6 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:54:18am

And some of them were active-duty military. Active-duty military, working for a private business that has a photo of the commander in chief as the Joker.

[Link: www.miamiherald.com…]

7 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:54:57am

Ahh when wannabe ninjas with manhood issues assuage their fears by owning guns and acting tough…

The essence of these movements is always a careful mix of fear, manhood issues and stupidity.

8 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:55:57am

re: #6 Obdicut

And some of them were active-duty military. Active-duty military, working for a private business that has a photo of the commander in chief as the Joker.

[Link: www.miamiherald.com…]

I smell courts martials in the future. Hopefully the FBI watches those types for another McVeigh.

9 Kronocide  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:56:37am

re: #4 theheat

These days, maybe she’d be right. Ever stop to think about that?

I’m white but this crap isn’t my culture. But I get your point if it was a rhetorical question.

10 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:57:26am

The article I posted shows that Miller lied about the school insisting on him having security, by the way:

But the school district said there was no such requirement made of Miller — he only had to provide a hall and parking lot monitor, and advise participants of school district courtesy and food rules.

11 iossarian  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:02:34am

re: #10 Obdicut

The article I posted shows that Miller lied about the school insisting on him having security, by the way:

I bet the school just wanted a person to direct traffic, and another guy directing people where to sit.

The idea that you need shaven-headed heavies to run a political forum in a middle school is a great example of projection at work.

12 nines09  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:02:49am

re: #10 Obdicut

But when your Future Leader is speaking you need adequate security to thwart pesky questions.

13 jaunte  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:02:49am

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahh when wannabe ninjas with manhood issues assuage their fears by owning guns and acting tough…

The essence of these movements is always a careful mix of fear, manhood issues and stupidity.

Posturing

14 theheat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:04:46am

re: #9 BigPapa

It was.

15 iossarian  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:05:43am

re: #13 jaunte

Posturing

Hahaha, I love the decorations on the darker green one.

“This one? This one, I got for valor when I double-parked my car to get in and out of the ammo store quickly.”

16 theheat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:06:44am

re: #10 Obdicut

Okay, so he would have met those requirements with a blue haired lady asking, “Where’s your hall pass?” and “No running in the halls!” I think undercover homeboy skinheads was probably overkill.

17 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:07:17am

Now voters should assume Miller will show this kind of bad judgmental in office.

Just a teeny tip I learned about putting on events. Get real police. Maybe ex cops, maybe on their days off. But get the real deal. Saves all kinds of hassle.

18 shutdown  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:09:25am

re: #17 Rightwingconspirator

Now voters should assume Miller will show this kind of bad judgmental in office.

Just a teeny tip I learned about putting on events. Get real police. Maybe ex cops, maybe on their days off. But get the real deal. Saves all kinds of hassle.

If I were his opponent, I would find a subtle way of comparing Miller and his private fascist thug bodyguards (drawn from an illegal anti-government militia) to European fascism in the late 1920s and early 1930s.

19 Kronocide  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:11:51am

re: #11 iossarian

The idea that you need shaven-headed heavies

Hey, watch it there buddy!

20 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:12:11am

re: #16 theheat

And, moreover, there is still the issue of the force used against the reporter being inappropriate. You are not allowed, as a private citizen, or as a security guard, to use more force than is used against you except for the minimal force necessary to escort someone off a property. You are definitely, definitely not allowed to use force to restrain someone unless you have observed them committing a felony. There was no possible felony committed by the reporter.

21 iossarian  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:13:31am

re: #19 BigPapa

Hey, watch it there buddy!

Sorry! I was already trying to avoid the term “skinhead”, as I am well aware of the range of political views encompassed in that particular group.

I will avoid castigating men (and women) with shaved heads in the future!

22 iossarian  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:15:22am

re: #20 Obdicut

There was no possible felony committed by the reporter.

If this is the case, presumably the “security” goons will be liable for conducting an improper people’s arrest (or whatever the terminology is in Alaska)?

23 APox  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:18:27am

Really like the nonsense in that post “we are fighting a political war… For now”
So what, if your side loses because a majority of ALASKANS decided you were wrong, you’ll start shooting?

…. Sigh, and Alaska was somewhere I wanted to live because of a love for the outdoors and ruggedness. Didn’t know I’d be moving in with crazed middle aged white men. I guess that might be synonyms with rugged and outdoors… Shame on me :p

24 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:19:35am

re: #13 jaunte

Posturing

Exactly.

25 shutdown  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:21:36am

re: #23 APox

Really like the nonsense in that post “we are fighting a political war… For now”
So what, if your side loses because a majority of ALASKANS decided you were wrong, you’ll start shooting?

… Sigh, and Alaska was somewhere I wanted to live because of a love for the outdoors and ruggedness. Didn’t know I’d be moving in with crazed middle aged white men. I guess that might be synonyms with rugged and outdoors… Shame on me :p

BTW what ever happened with that reporter who moved in next to the Palins - the guy who had written (or was writing) an unauthorized biography.

26 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:22:18am

re: #22 iossarian

If this is the case, presumably the “security” goons will be liable for conducting an improper people’s arrest (or whatever the terminology is in Alaska)?

They’re definitely liable in civil terms. In criminal terms, I’d say they are, too, but that’s a matter of state law and I don’t know AK. But it’d be really weird if you were allowed to simply handcuff people to chairs after misdemeanor offenses. And the ‘security guard’ didn’t identify himself, so there was no reason to believe he actually was acting with proper authority.

27 Big Steve  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:23:19am

It is common here and elsewhere to discount information from discredited sites. The reference for this post is from a site that still openly argues that Sarah Palin faked her pregnancy.

28 shutdown  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:25:28am

re: #27 Big Steve

Palingates?

29 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:26:53am

I wonder how many Tea Party candidates deep down (or maybe not so deep down) want to use the Putin model of dealing with unfriendly Media?

According to an article by John Crowfoot from the International Federation of Journalists, over 150 journalists have been murdered in Russia since 1993. For murders occurring in Moscow, only 7 trials have taken place resulting in 4 convictions and 3 acquittals.

Since 2001, four journalists from “Novaya gazeta,” an independent newspaper that often criticizes the Kremlin, have been murdered, including Anna Politkovskaya.

Thankfully, we’re not at this point yet, but I worry we’re creeping closer to it.

30 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:26:56am

re: #27 Big Steve

The source is the Souther Poverty Law Center, actually.

31 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:27:49am

“We’re looking at catastrophe just a couple months away — economic collapse, food shortages around the world, prices in stores are gonna go skyrocketing with this inflation,” Olson told the roughly 20 attendees, according to The Redoubt Reporter, a Kenai Peninsula newspaper.

a hardy perennial, and olson’s not the only one selling it. why do you think beck is having so much success flogging gold and k-rations?

“I’m convinced that times are coming when we are going to have to repel federal aggression, tyrannical oppressive federal aggression. They’re going to want to quell any kind of uprising, because it’s bad for politics,” Olson was quoted as saying.

therefore it’s ok for them to break the law and have powerful superiority fantasies like a bunch of insecure teenagers swaggering around in their first gang

32 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:28:01am

re: #23 APox

Really like the nonsense in that post “we are fighting a political war… For now”
So what, if your side loses because a majority of ALASKANS decided you were wrong, you’ll start shooting?

That’s just what they believe. If people don’t vote for them it’s because the Federal Government brainwashed them or threatened them or rigged the voting machines, or just took the votes, dumped them in a landfill and announced the result ‘FedGov’ wanted. Or the voters were people who are stooges of ‘FedGov’.

Such evil must be fought with every weapon at their disposal until freedom reigns. ///

33 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:28:15am

re: #29 bloodstar

The key moment for me when I knew the stalker site was insane, and that I never needed to read it again, was a thread that generally concluded Putin was a cool guy who kicked Muslim ass and they wished the US could be more like Russia.

Supposed conservatives, dreaming of being in a nation led by an ex-KBG agent.

Weird to the max.

34 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:30:21am

re: #29 bloodstar

I wonder how many Tea Party candidates deep down (or maybe not so deep down) want to use the Putin model of dealing with unfriendly Media?

Thankfully, we’re not at this point yet, but I worry we’re creeping closer to it.

I remember a cartoon I saw many years ago. The tag line was, “I hate the Russians, but I love how they handle the press.”

35 Major Tom  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:31:40am

Wow… Palingates is quite the site. I trust a lot of info on there, but there is a couple points worth debating. For instance, have you seen the ‘babygate’ videos on the site? I don’t see the conspiracy they are pushing, even in the comparrison pics. I don’t think Trig is Bristol’s kid. There are some weird inconsistancies, but at worst, I think Palin was trying to self-abort her own kid… But that may even be a stretch. I have to admit they are pretty compelling though. What do you guys think? Palingates batty or sane?

36 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:33:01am

re: #26 Obdicut

Under Alaska law, they should likely face assault charges (assault in the 4th degree - a misdemeanor offense at a minimum) and disorderly conduct. Also, Alaska doesn’t appear to have a typical false imprisonment statute seen in other states, but I could have missed it listed here.

37 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:34:32am

re: #27 Big Steve

It is common here and elsewhere to discount information from discredited sites. The reference for this post is from a site that still openly argues that Sarah Palin faked her pregnancy.

I wasn’t aware of that — nevertheless, everything they assert about Dropzone is well-documented with links to other sources.

I’m not endorsing the Trig Palin stuff, of course.

38 theheat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:35:51am

re: #35 Major Tom

I think it’s kinda disgusting. Truthfully, I wondered at first if she faked her pregnancy only to protect her daughter, but that was proven to be just a strange set of circumstances/coincidences. And I don’t believe she did anything to self-abort, given her rabid pro-life mantra. That kind of speculation is pretty sick and out there, really. Even for her.

There’s plenty of other things she’s lied about, and will continue to lie about (because she’s a liar), but I think she’s in the clear there.

39 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:35:52am

re: #36 lawhawk

Yeah, their kidnapping statute seems to make it okay to kidnap people as long as you’re not getting out of anything it, committing another crime, or putting them in danger.

Seems kinda odd.

40 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:36:04am

So does Joe Miller (and his sponsor Sarah Palin) lend this group credibility? Or does this group hurt his/her credibility? (note: I’m fully aware that credibility in the teabagger caucus is purely an emotional, and not rational, thing.)

41 Major Tom  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:36:41am

re: #37 Charles

See that’s what I was fishing for. I read that site, and I see some credible info, but that info is surrounded by, frankly, conspiratorial stuff.

42 Major Tom  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:38:34am

re: #38 theheat

The only piece of info that really jumps at me is the flight home, while in labor, from Texas to Alaska… That defies logic…. But then again… It’s Palin we’re talking about.

43 theheat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:43:19am

re: #42 Major Tom

If you’ve been around some of these fundie moms, they think nothing of going into labor no matter where they are, especially after you’ve already had several other children. They’re calm as a cucumber about it. Maybe oblivious to real danger, maybe even stupid, but you can’t rattle them. They’re like army nurses. Plus, they think there are angels standing by.

44 Nick Schroeder  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:30:32am

I will say, the guy DOES look like an old time bad ass. Kinda reminds me of Old Snake in Metal Gear Solid 4.

Not to make light of the rabid, unhinged insanity of this, or anything… just an observation.

45 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 12:06:10pm

Alaskan Independence? They get nearly $2 for every $1 they pay in Federal taxes. If they want to give back all that money they’ve received from the lower 48, go right ahead.

46 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 12:10:14pm

re: #45 JamesWI

Alaskan Independence? They get nearly $2 for every $1 they pay in Federal taxes. If they want to give back all that money they’ve received from the lower 48, go right ahead.

Not to mention the $3,000 a year they extort from the oil companies for all of the Alaskan citizens.

47 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 12:10:22pm

Her reproductive choices are not the reason I am opposed to SP.

48 Major Tom  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:14:29pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

I just find it interesting that an otherwise credible website is championing the cause of Trig’s ‘true’ paternity. I mean when you spend some time on Palingates, you see a lot of seemingly good information on Palin, Miller, AIP, the Alaskan Militias, and even the Koch brothers. Yet there is this ‘babygate’ story that sullies their reputation… yet also seems to be the reason the website was created to begin with. It begs some questions… Is Palingates credible? Can you cite a site that has 99% good info, with 1% conspiratorial crap? I had that issue with this site (admittedly to a much much lesser degree) as I never, and still don’t, support the war in Iraq, and I tend to be pretty critical of Israel’s policies- while this site tends to support the war, and to cheerlead a bit for Israel. Those opinions, though not fringe, are antithetical to what I believe, yet I have referred people to visit LGF on many occasions for good opinion and consolidated information… But Should I, or anyone else concerned with accuracy and moderation, refer anyone to Palingates? This is a quandary for me. If it was just an ‘intellectual argument’ they banter around over there, that would be one thing, but it is a constant crusade by their members to ‘free trig.’ It’s a bit much. It’s embarrassing… and given all the scandals and gaffes that Palin has under her belt, it seems unnecessary to pursue. I don’t know, any thoughts (if this thread is still active)…?

49 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:22:39pm

re: #48 Major Tom

It’s like Sullivan, he’s obsessed with the subject too. It doesn’t make any sense to me.

I don’t think there’s any meat to the story, because the amount of people necessary for the coverup would be huge.

50 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:41:56pm

re: #23 APox

Really like the nonsense in that post “we are fighting a political war… For now”
So what, if your side loses because a majority of ALASKANS decided you were wrong, you’ll start shooting?

… Sigh, and Alaska was somewhere I wanted to live because of a love for the outdoors and ruggedness. Didn’t know I’d be moving in with crazed middle aged white men. I guess that might be synonyms with rugged and outdoors… Shame on me :p

So, you wanted to be a lumberjack, did you? ;)

51 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:55:24pm

re: #48 Major Tom

I can’t endorse all of Palingate, there is a mildly obsessive hometown tone to it. They’ve still done good stuff on the Miller screw-ups.

52 morrisab  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:57:52pm

re: #49 Obdicut

It’s like Sullivan, he’s obsessed with the subject too. It doesn’t make any sense to me.

I don’t think there’s any meat to the story, because the amount of people necessary for the coverup would be huge.

I’m really divided. I think it would be crazy for it to be a cover up - I don’t know how you could reasonably expect to get away with it. On the other hand, as someone said - this *is* Palin. She thinks she can get away with saying the exact opposite of what really happened, and is on record as having happened.

But the problem I have with Palin, aside from the questions - and I do think some of them are legitimate even though there’s that “conspiracy” aura around them - is that her water broke at 4 am, she called her doctor, her doctor did not tell her to get her rear end to the nearest hospital, she went to her governors’ convention, gave her speech while in labour, and then GOT ON TWO PLANES and took a 12 HOUR FLIGHT home.

To most mothers who have actually been in labor - and keeping in mind this was her fifth kid and she says she knew he was DS before he was born - that is b*tsh*t crazy. I’ve been in labor twice and there’s no way I’d be giving a speech and getting “big laughs” while I was having “big contractions” (her words). Even when you’re in early labor, you have to stop and breathe through contractions. When you’re in active labor, you are not thinking about getting laughs or delivering a speech. You’re thinking, “Oh, God, oh, God, please let this kid come soon!” And if you’re truly worried about the health and the premature status of your baby, again, you’re not thinking about a speech. You’re thinking, “Oh God, oh, God, where’s the nearest hospital, he’s a month early, I hope he’s going to be okay!”

And - her fifth kid. Most 2nd and later kids come faster than kid #1. She had to have known that. My mom’s 5th kid came 2.5 hours from her water breaking. She did not have time to deliver a speech and then take 2 flights for 12 hours, believe me.

If the kid *is* hers and she’s not covering up her daughter’s pregnancy, somehow that’s worse to me, because she took so many risks with his life in that 24 hr period. I’d actually rather know that it was her daughter’s kid and she was just trying to help her out - as a mom, I can understand that. As a mom, I can’t understand water breaking at 4 am, giving a speech in the afternoon while in labor, then flying 12 hours home just so my premature special needs kid will be born in Alaska. She passed a hospital from the governors’ convention on the way to the airport. What the heck was wrong with that hospital? Just to get checked out? Was the baby really not that important?

My sister just had PROM at 33 wks. As soon as there was an indication that her water broke, they socked her in the hospital and they left her there, on bed rest, steroids, and antibiotics, for two weeks until the baby was born (thankfully healthy with no problems).

Palin is the reason that my husband and I moved away from the Republican ticket in 2008. My husband is a veteran and has voted Republican most of his life. He would have voted for McCain. I’m not sure I would have - I will confess I usually voted Libertarian - but neither he nor I could stomach Palin, let alone take her seriously, and her story about going into labor and then flying home while in labor was a big part of that even before other stuff (Troopergate, the 150k spent on clothes) started to surface. That did not display the kind of judgment we expected to see in *any* parent, let alone an elected official a heartbeat away from the nuclear button.

I am constantly amazed at how many ostensibly pro-life people don’t seem to question the fact that by her own admission her water broke, she was in labor, and she got on a plane and flew 12 hours while in labor. That is, like, the opposite of pro life. To me. As a parent.

53 Rev. Jim Sutter  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:49:36am

MSNBC is reporting that these security guards were active duty Army members, and that the Army CID is investigating, as they had no authorization to act as private security guards.


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