Glenn Beck, Idiot: Where’s the Half-Monkey, Half-Human?

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I nearly resorted to four letter words to describe the sheer blinding idiocy of Glenn Beck’s moronic rant against evolution.

Deliberately ignorant anti-science boneheaded throwback stupidity, from the Fox News raving freakazoid nut sandwich.

I don’t know why it’s unreasonable to say this. I’m not God so I don’t know how God creates. I don’t think we came from monkeys. I think that’s ridiculous. I, I haven’t seen the half-monkey half-person yet. Did evolution just stop? Did, did, did we, did all of a sudden just, there’s no other species that is developing into half-human?

What a freaking moron. And this is the default right wing position, folks. Glenn Beck is speaking for a whole lot of ignorant people with this irrational rubbish.

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298 comments
1 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:04:44pm

Ummm did he look in the mirror?

2 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:06:00pm

Seriously, did you notice his pronounced brow ridge and all the other features that clearly mark his simian ancestry?

But to truly get the half monkey part, you need to hear him rant and watch him fling poo.

3 SpaceJesus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:07:13pm

nut sandwich

4 jordash1212  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:07:23pm

Sometimes I swear there are people with faces that resemble horses.

5 Nick Schroeder  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:10:28pm

HA! Got you secular humanist godless liberal commies by the balls now! Where are the half-elephant half-turtles?!?!

Boom. Evolution refudiated.

6 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:10:47pm

Half wit.

7 jordash1212  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:11:20pm

re: #5 Nick Schroeder

Please don't refudiate me!

8 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:11:58pm

re: #6 wrenchwench

Half wit.

Half wit, half shit - to be precise. Glenn's still evolving into a full shit.

9 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:12:27pm

The point in my number two, is that one look at a human body and that of a chimp will show the clear anatomical signs of common ancestry.

A look at our DNA will hammer that case home. We share almost all the same genes. That did not happen by chance.

Knowledge that complex DNA sets do not just spontaneously happen and therefore had to come from and be modified from previous generations, because otherwise, the math is impossible, hammers the case home.

That is natural selection baby.

Any look at the complexity argument - from someone who can do math - actually shows how much it supports evolution and in fact demands either it, or some mechanism like it.

Of course, people like Beck and the world of Fox viewers couldn't do that sort of mathematics to save their lives.

10 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:12:59pm

re: #5 Nick Schroeder

HA! Got you secular humanist godless liberal commies by the balls now! Where are the half-elephant half-turtles?!?!

Boom. Evolution refudiated.

Wasn't that something in Monster Manual II ?

11 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:13:08pm

What really annoys me is that one of my earliest memories as a kid is going to a museum and seeing a model of Australopithecus.

They were a species of hominid that did go extinct. They could be called 'half human, half monkey". So there's one.

So no, evolution didn't just 'stop'. But humans aren't an endpoint-- we're just one species out of many. And 99.5% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct. Including many 'half-human, half-monkey' species.

I'd like for our particular species not to go extinct, at least not until we build some AIs. People like Beck, the Koch brothers, the current GOP leadership, and the rest of the anti-science brigade are literally endangering the future of the human species.

12 theheat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:13:26pm

re: #4 jordash1212

Don't even say that. You offend my horses, and all horses, comparing those jackasses to horses.

13 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:13:33pm

Nobody had to force the fact that the Earth went around the sun on to the Catholic Church, Galileio just kept adding facts to Copernicus' theory until it becomes self-evident...

14 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:14:05pm

Does the Mormon church have an official stance on evolution?

15 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:14:20pm

Mah granddaddy wadn't no monkey, you librul elitist eggheads!

16 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:15:23pm

There are certainly gaps in the fossil record.

There are also gaps in Glen Becks resume.

Ergo, Glen Beck does not exist.

17 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:15:30pm

re: #11 Obdicut

What really annoys me is that one of my earliest memories as a kid is going to a museum and seeing a model of Australopithecus.

They were a species of hominid that did go extinct. They could be called 'half human, half monkey". So there's one.

So no, evolution didn't just 'stop'. But humans aren't an endpoint-- we're just one species out of many. And 99.5% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct. Including many 'half-human, half-monkey' species.

I'd like for our particular species not to go extinct, at least not until we build some AIs. People like Beck, the Koch brothers, the current GOP leadership, and the rest of the anti-science brigade are literally endangering the future of the human species.

Are you sure that Satan didn't put that there next to the Dinosaurs to fool you?

///

People like the morons who watch Fox, from a purely Darwinist standpoint, are somewhat problematic for the gene pool.

18 jordash1212  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:17:19pm

re: #16 Rightwingconspirator

Glenn Beck has been refudiated!

19 Gus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:17:25pm

I think we've discovered the half-monkey-half-human. It's been there all along. We call it Glenn Beck.

20 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:17:36pm

re: #13 ralphieboy

Nobody had to force the fact that the Earth went around the sun on to the Catholic Church, Galileio just kept adding facts to Copernicus' theory until it becomes self-evident...

Then why was he put under house arrest by the Church?

I think it is a bit more complex than that.

21 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:17:52pm

re: #19 Gus 802

I think we've discovered the half-monkey-half-human. It's been there all along. We call it Glenn Beck.

That was my first comment.

22 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:18:17pm

I'm going to start a personal letter writing campaign to people like Glenn Beck. Only I won't do it electronically as it's too easy to ignore. I'm going to buy a set of pre-stamped post cards and address them that way. Of course, every postman, mail room clerk, and secretary who touches the card en route to its destination won't be able to miss the message, as it'll be on the front and back of the card...in big bold letters. Only four or five words of mockery, no threats...it needs to be something a person ten feet away can read and understand at a glance.

23 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:18:18pm

The Mormons seem quite reasonable about it, according to the quotes in Wikipedia:

Although the LDS Church has no position on evolution, it has produced a number of official doctrinal statements on the "origin of man." These statements generally adopt the position, as a church-approved encyclopedia states, "The scriptures tell why man was created, but they do not tell how..."

Which makes perfect sense to me or any other rational person. Only a close-minded literalist idiot could see a conflict between Biblical Creation and the Theory of Evolution.

24 Kragar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:18:59pm

Judging from the screeching and poo flinging, I think Beck just needs to look in a mirror to find what he's looking for.

25 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:19:02pm

re: #14 Obdicut

Does the Mormon church have an official stance on evolution?

Ambiguous

[Link: www.deseretnews.com...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

26 abbyadams  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:19:05pm

Dear Glen, you are a tool.

Kisses,

Abby, JACWBIE

(Just Another Christian Who Believes in Evolution.)

27 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:19:40pm

Just received from someone who's apparently working at LAX (the IP traces to a Raytheon server at LAX Gate 2):

You have the fucking gall to hail the NAACP report about racism in the Tea Party. The NAACP is one of most vile and anti-semitic hate groups you fat pony-tailed slob. They hosted Farrakhan at one of their meetings and now they have the brazen temerity to smear the Tea Party??? You are evidently in bed fellating the NAACP and other Jew-haters. Fuck you Jew-hating bastard.

Yes, I'm going to report it.

28 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:19:51pm

re: #20 LudwigVanQuixote

Sorry, I thought the sarc tag was superfluous here. Let me add it retroactively

/

and a mea culpa while I'm ad it...

29 theheat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:20:20pm

re: #14 Obdicut

They're creationists. They're also fond of historical revisionism, and constantly finding more [makeupanywordthatendsin]-ites. It's all presented as some grand endeavor to piece together history, as if it's scientific, but it's a lot of wishful and deceitful BS.

At least, that was my experience, way back when.

30 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:20:23pm

re: #26 abbyadams

Dear Glen, you are a tool.

Kisses,

Abby, JACWBIE

(Just Another Christian Who Believes in Evolution.)

Put that on a post-card and mail it to him. It's only 28 cents.

31 Major Tom  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:21:31pm

It's like the article that was posted yesterday: "This was not a gaffe."

This is right wing doctrine.

32 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:22:01pm

re: #27 Charles

Just received from someone who's apparently working at LAX (the IP traces to a Raytheon server at LAX Gate 2):

Yes, I'm going to report it.

Another reason why I'll use post cards...they're damn near untraceable.

33 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:23:06pm

re: #29 theheat

They're creationists. They're also fond of historical revisionism,...

Coincidentally (not), creationism is, after a fashion, "historical revisionism".

34 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:23:56pm

re: #27 Charles

Just received from someone who's apparently working at LAX (the IP traces to a Raytheon server at LAX Gate 2):

Yes, I'm going to report it.

You're sure it's not just some random traveller who's using their wifi?

35 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:24:19pm

Has Anyone been following the Al-Awlaki story? True?
EXCLUSIVE: Al Qaeda Leader Dined at the Pentagon Just Months After 9/11
It's a Fox exclusive which has the Truthers in an uproar....
al CIAda Dined With Military Brass At Pentagon Within Months Of 9/11

They're also wound up about this bit of Fox Trutherism....
Zelikow's Key Role in 9/11 Cover-Up

This is becoming a trend.

36 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:25:42pm

re: #34 Alouette

You're sure it's not just some random traveller who's using their wifi?

I'd assume a defense contractor like Raytheon wouldn't have open wifi hubs. My company has DOD contracts and we're required to have full disk encryption on every machine...and wifi security up the ass.

37 Kragar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:26:23pm

So God is able to create pillars of fire to smite his enemies, communicate thru burning shrubberies, allow his believers to summon armies of the undead, raise the dead, turn people into salt, etc etc, but it is some how impossible for him to plan the creation of the Universe and Man to take place over a span of millions of years.

Obviously, Beck and YEC hate God because they deny his omnipotence and seek to shackle him with their pitiful understanding of the natural world.

38 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:26:43pm

re: #34 Alouette

You're sure it's not just some random traveller who's using their wifi?

Doesn't look like it.

39 Petero1818  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:27:09pm

Its hard to follow the logic. He says he is not god, therefore how can he say for certain how god is to have created humanity. I suppose the thought that should have occurred to him prior to that one, is, since he is not god, how could he be so certain that there is a god, and that said god created humanity at all. Its amazing the things he has certainty about, and those he doesn't. There is no Venn diagram that could handle this. If he had another brain, it would die of loneliness.

40 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:27:26pm
41 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:28:33pm

re: #40 MikeySDCA

There's an old lawyers' saying:

When the law is against you, you argue the facts. When the facts are against you, you argue the law. When both the law and the facts are against you, you pound on the table.

This is Beck pounding on the table.


With a Bible

42 Gus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:28:51pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Has Anyone been following the Al-Awlaki story? True?
EXCLUSIVE: Al Qaeda Leader Dined at the Pentagon Just Months After 9/11
It's a Fox exclusive which has the Truthers in an uproar...
al CIAda Dined With Military Brass At Pentagon Within Months Of 9/11

[Video]This is becoming a trend.

Hilarity ensues!

Comment at Fox News:

DavidT 14 minutes ago

Just further proof that the Obama administration, the Justice Department, Pentagon, FBI, and Homeland Security needs to be dismantled. Their time has come and gone. They no longer serve any purpose toward protecting the United States or preserving our freedoms. Are you listening Republicans? This should be a part of your homecoming and house cleaning agenda if you want to hold you new positions after November 2nd.

Ummmm.

43 Kragar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:29:03pm

re: #38 Charles

Doesn't look like it.

I'm guessing it would come down to LAX's IP adressing. They would have different blocks for WiFI versus Employee offices so they could manage their VLANs and network more efficiently.

44 abbyadams  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:29:41pm

re: #30 darthstar

I prefer to ignore ignorance.

A story:

My husband and I were staying at a not so posh motel in upstate PA...he was at a music convention there. I was there for the wings. Anyway, we took a dip in the pool before bed - we were the only ones there. Little did we know there was a revival going on across the street. An old timey revival, at that. It wasn't long before we were joined in the pool by a middle aged woman, who greeted us with the accepted niceties, and then, out of the blue gave us the "Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour" bit. My husband nicely explained that he hoped that in our own way, we had.

She then asked us why we were in the area. We explained about the music festival, and stated that my husband was a music teacher. She responded wth "You know, Lucifer led the choir in heaven." We remained kind of non-committal on the subject, and then she said "Well, at least you're not a biology teacher...they're all condemned to hell for teaching that evolution garbage."

I had been teaching biology at the university level for 10 years at that point. We left. We could have gotten into an argument...but sometimes...why bother?

45 Big Steve  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:30:29pm

I once listened to a pastor wonder during a sermon that if man descended from apes, why are apes still around. Afterward, while he was shaking hands at the doors I stopped and wished him condolences about his cousins. He looked puzzled. I told him that since he and his cousins were descended from their grandfather, and he is still around, then his cousins must not be around any more.

46 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:30:30pm

Glenn Beck: Do you know who I am?
Me: Hmm let me see. Protruding super-orbital ridges. Small cranium. 1300 cc brain... Neanderthal Man?

47 researchok  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:32:01pm
Beck denies evolution: "I haven't seen a half-monkey, half-person yet"

Clearly, he has not read some of the LGF trolls who frequent this establishment.

I will say this: Beck is a lot smarter than Geller and he has even smarter people around him.

Nevertheless, not even he can escape the inevitable: Any psychopathology left untreated, will escalate.

48 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:32:58pm

re: #37 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

They prefer a brute-force God to an elegant one. They prefer brute-force ideas to elegant ones. They seem to really detest anything and anyone smarter than them-- to the extent that they claim God is not, actually, all that smart.

I really don't get it. I love people who are smarter than me. They fucking rock. That's who I learn from.

49 Petero1818  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:33:23pm

He also has yet to see a mouse with a fully functioning human brain, yet he is proud to support and believe those that say they have.

50 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:34:20pm

re: #27 Charles

Just received from someone who's apparently working at LAX (the IP traces to a Raytheon server at LAX Gate 2):

Yes, I'm going to report it.

Oh dear...

Speaking as a Jewish person, I have never encountered anything anti-semitic from the NAACP.

The person who wrote that was a bit more deranged than usual.

51 Kragar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:34:55pm

re: #48 Obdicut

They prefer a brute-force God to an elegant one. They prefer brute-force ideas to elegant ones. They seem to really detest anything and anyone smarter than them-- to the extent that they claim God is not, actually, all that smart.

I really don't get it. I love people who are smarter than me. They fucking rock. That's who I learn from.

Who needs to learn when everything you need to know comes from one book?
/

52 Summer Seale  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:35:49pm

Creationists must be listened to as a wholesome tonic for anyone who believes in the limits of human credulity. =)

53 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:35:56pm

re: #42 Gus 802

Hilarity ensues!

Comment at Fox News:

Ummm.

I strongly suspect the story isn't true or very old. Fox is getting their audience used to Trutherism.

54 theheat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:35:57pm

re: #51 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

How decadent, to read many books. It's crazy, I tell ya.

55 Gus  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:35:59pm

Glenn Beck uses belief in a negative to discount false-negative.

Film @ 11.

56 Petero1818  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:36:12pm

re: #44 abbyadams

Well truth be known that is itself very "Christian" of you in the best sense of the word. I would have enjoyed belittling and humiliating her. Not so much for her beliefs, but for the fact that she would openly espouse them to a stranger trying to relax in a pool.

57 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:36:35pm

The latest xkcd goes after loonies:

[Link: xkcd.com...]

58 Max  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:36:54pm

Great. Glenn Beck ruined my new shirt.

There's now stains of dripping brain matter on my shoulders.

59 abbyadams  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:37:57pm

re: #56 Petero1818

Well...maybe. I used some very unChristian like language about the incident back at the room. :-)

60 Max  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:38:03pm

Glenn Beck: the new Poster-boy for Creationist Stupidity (PCS).

61 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:38:08pm

Also, I've not been following this story so can't vouch for it, but if true it seems emblematic of the sad nature of the American electorate:

White House cancels Obama trip to Sikh temple over Muslim rumor concerns

62 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:39:00pm

re: #44 abbyadams

Heh...I used to have a Darwin fish on the back of my car. Once I was camping and this family next to us had a similar car with the Jesus fish on it. They invited us over for beers and conversation, and noted our fish as an example of what good people we were, and would we like to talk about Christ.

I said, "Yes, but my fish has feet and says Darwin."

They all looked at each other and said, "That's okay. Isn't it okay? Yes, that's okay." to each other. Then the father started telling racist jokes. I guess since we weren't Christians it was okay to cut loose with the bigotry. We were so offended we left after a couple of beers (hey, free beer is free beer).

63 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:41:32pm

re: #61 freetoken

Also, I've not been following this story so can't vouch for it, but if true it seems emblematic of the sad nature of the American electorate:

White House cancels Obama trip to Sikh temple over Muslim rumor concerns

Shit...go to the Temple, Mr. President. Wear a turban. Fuck the critics.

64 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:41:56pm

re: #61 freetoken

Also, I've not been following this story so can't vouch for it, but if true it seems emblematic of the sad nature of the American electorate:

White House cancels Obama trip to Sikh temple over Muslim rumor concerns

They are also skipping the Mumbai Chabad center because of "security concerns."

65 Kragar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:42:11pm

re: #62 darthstar

Heh...I used to have a Darwin fish on the back of my car. Once I was camping and this family next to us had a similar car with the Jesus fish on it. They invited us over for beers and conversation, and noted our fish as an example of what good people we were, and would we like to talk about Christ.

I said, "Yes, but my fish has feet and says Darwin."

They all looked at each other and said, "That's okay. Isn't it okay? Yes, that's okay." to each other. Then the father started telling racist jokes. I guess since we weren't Christians it was okay to cut loose with the bigotry. We were so offended we left after a couple of beers (hey, free beer is free beer).

A guy where I work has a Darwin fish and a FSM fish.

66 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:42:14pm

re: #62 darthstar


There was a time when "Honk if you love Jesus!" bumper stickers were all the rage. People loved being given a chance to both make noise and prove their faith.

Then a fellow came out with one that read "Honk if you're Jesus!"

67 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:45:13pm

re: #66 ralphieboy

There was a time when "Honk if you love Jesus!" bumper stickers were all the rage. People loved being given a chance to both make noise and prove their faith.

Then a fellow came out with one that read "Honk if you're Jesus!"

Yep...remember the "I found it!" born-again Xian fad of the 70s? It wasn't long before people started putting bumperstickers on their cars that read "What is it?", "I never lost it." and "Someone took it!"

68 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:45:18pm

Well hallelujah my brothers and sisters, we are blessed to be present at a most monumentus event, an event dear to our hearts, an event that will fill our souls with joy - the death of Eevilution. Oh lord, it has finally met its demise. Oh lord, if only the argument put forward by brother Glenn had been put forward a century and a half ago, this country would not be in the sorrowful and eevil wracked state we find it in today.

Oh lord, praise be to the Beck, for his tireless and courageous work of renewing the America of old, our America, now through the Beck's work, and the grace of God, winging its way back to a special place in God's eye.

Hallelujah.

69 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:45:56pm

re: #64 Alouette

They are also skipping the Mumbai Chabad center because of "security concerns."

As most Americans cannot tell a Sunni from a Shi'ite (I must admit that I am also a bit fuzzy on the distinction myself) so we cannot expect them to distinguish between a Muslim and a Sikh or a Zoroastrian.

But most of them can tell a Jedi from a Sith

70 abbyadams  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:47:54pm

re: #69 ralphieboy

If it weren't for the color of the light saber blades, I'd be screwed.

71 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:48:09pm

In the real world (as contrasted with the psychiatric wing of Americana known as Fox-land), "Lion" looks to be most interesting:


[Link: www.apple.com...]

The Finder is one of the most cobbled-together pieces of OSX, and it crashes. Let's hope the new desktop software in Lion is better.

72 Kragar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:48:15pm

re: #69 ralphieboy

As most Americans cannot tell a Sunni from a Shi'ite (I must admit that I am also a bit fuzzy on the distinction myself) so we cannot expect them to distinguish between a Muslim and a Sikh or a Zoroastrian.

But most of them can tell a Jedi from a Sith

Or who won American Idol for the last 4 years, but can't name their Congressman.

73 Kragar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:48:57pm

re: #70 abbyadams

If it weren't for the color of the light saber blades, I'd be screwed.

Flamethrower > Light Saber

74 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:49:19pm

Tea Party vote watchdog effort goes as expected....
Voter Registration Group Targeted By TX Tea Party Group Received Threats (VIDEO)

In emails obtained by TPM, the group Houston Votes was accused of being "a bunch of white guilt ridden assholes, n*****S and greasy mexican spics," "fraudulent Marxist pigs," and "American hating A-holes."


and this: DOJ Probes TX Voter Intimidation Complaints During Tea Party Anti-Voter Fraud Drive

75 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:49:49pm

Wingnuts in Oklahomastan have launched an all-out media blitz in favor of their insane Shariah prohibition amendment.

My hypothesis for what's really behind this nutty proposal: Wingnuts have their own body religious law they want to see passed. By claiming that this act against Shariah is necessary, they establish in the public mind that there isn't really an existing constitutional prohibition against religious law in general.

76 mr.fusion  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:49:56pm

gets good at 1:15

[Link: www.myvidster.com...]

78 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:51:34pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel

My hypothesis for what's really behind this nutty proposal: Wingnuts have their own body religious law they want to see passed.


Otherwise known as "my God is bigger than your god" and is straight out of history.

79 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:51:45pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel

Good hypothesis. Makes sense, although that's not a requirement, of course.

80 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:52:10pm

re: #71 freetoken

In the real world (as contrasted with the psychiatric wing of Americana known as Fox-land), "Lion" looks to be most interesting:

[Link: www.apple.com...]

The Finder is one of the most cobbled-together pieces of OSX, and it crashes. Let's hope the new desktop software in Lion is better.

It looks very interesting indeed. Apple is taking the Mac OS in the direction of iOS. It will be fascinating to see how far they take this -- one major change in iOS is that "files" don't really exist any more.

81 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:53:20pm

re: #80 Charles

It looks very interesting indeed. Apple is taking the Mac OS in the direction of iOS. It will be fascinating to see how far they take this -- one major change in iOS is that "files" don't really exist any more.

Cool...you can't lose a file if it never really existed. Free-range bytes of data!

82 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:53:37pm

If god created man in his image, how come it is the same image of every other mammal on earth ?

83 Kragar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:54:45pm

Is Apple going to be affected by the upcoming UEFI rollout to replace BIOS? Not familiar with their firmware requirements.

84 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:55:00pm

re: #82 Amory Blaine

If god created man in his image, how come it is the same image of every other mammal on earth ?

Xeophanes: If horses could paint, they'd paint gods as horses.

God didn't create man in his image. Man created god in his.

85 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:55:12pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel


We must merge Church and state in order to block the spread of Sharia!!!

86 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:55:50pm

re: #71 freetoken

In the real world (as contrasted with the psychiatric wing of Americana known as Fox-land), "Lion" looks to be most interesting:

[Link: www.apple.com...]

The Finder is one of the most cobbled-together pieces of OSX, and it crashes. Let's hope the new desktop software in Lion is better.

Cool! Their new "Launchpad" looks just like the desktop on a real computer!

87 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:55:55pm

re: #44 abbyadams

I prefer to ignore ignorance.

A story:

My husband and I were staying at a not so posh motel in upstate PA...he was at a music convention there. I was there for the wings. Anyway, we took a dip in the pool before bed - we were the only ones there. Little did we know there was a revival going on across the street. An old timey revival, at that. It wasn't long before we were joined in the pool by a middle aged woman, who greeted us with the accepted niceties, and then, out of the blue gave us the "Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour" bit. My husband nicely explained that he hoped that in our own way, we had.

She then asked us why we were in the area. We explained about the music festival, and stated that my husband was a music teacher. She responded wth "You know, Lucifer led the choir in heaven." We remained kind of non-committal on the subject, and then she said "Well, at least you're not a biology teacher...they're all condemned to hell for teaching that evolution garbage."

I had been teaching biology at the university level for 10 years at that point. We left. We could have gotten into an argument...but sometimes...why bother?

In that case there was little point. You would not have convinced her of anything. However, when the forum is public and people are watching, it is worthwhile to put those cretins in their place. Many have never been outside an echo chamber. Having their basic and false presumptions questioned can spark all matter of growth and it is the only way to prevent the spread of more indoctrination.

88 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:58:12pm

re: #80 Charles

If I understand Lion correctly, the new interface is not exclusive, the older Finder concepts are still lurking about.

Of late my Mac has been having hard crashes, due in part I think to the Finder having problems with some third part disk software (a hd driver).

As Apple points out, the screen-swiping won't work well on Macs because of ergonomics - horizontal surfaces work best for our wrists/arms for long periods of time. So Apple now sells this little swipe-pad. Having tried iPads at the Apple store I'm not too hot on swiping, yet. Maybe someday the interface will be perfected.

89 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:58:27pm

re: #82 Amory Blaine

If god created man in his image, how come it is the same image of every other mammal on earth ?

God hadn't invented mirrors yet so had no idea what he looked like. He did have a drive full of reusable code written earlier, and by the time he got to us, no new code was necessary.

90 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 1:59:41pm

re: #89 b_sharp

God hadn't invented mirrors yet so had no idea what he looked like. He did have a drive full of reusable code written earlier, and by the time he got to us, no new code was necessary.

You mean God made man, but he used a monkey to do it?

91 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:00:15pm

re: #85 ralphieboy

We must merge Church and state in order to block the spread of Sharia!!!

Imagine the horrible consequences if this patriotic act of resistance does not pass, and Shariah takes over in Oklahoma in a couple of years. Texas-OU weekend will just not be the same. "Getting stoned" will take on a whole new meaning for erstwhile party-goers. Half the women will be dressed in burkas, and half the participants will not be allowed alcohol, assuming that the juggernaut of Shariah has not conquered Texas too by then.

92 freetoken  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:00:29pm

re: #86 darthstar

I'm not so hot on the "launchpad". I have the Applications folder icon in the dock, and I prefer the pop up alphabetical list of apps. All my commonly used software has icons on the dock anyway.

93 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:03:19pm

Willful ignorance...

Why I Won’t Be Reading the NAACP’s Report on Tea Party Racism
October 20, 2010 - by Roger L Simon

he NAACP has become a creator, not a fighter, of racism. They are in the racism business, fanning the flames in order to survive, and I won’t be reading their shameful, phony propagandistic report on the supposed bigotry in the Tea Party movement just being issued today in time for the election. Life is too short. If it were centuries long, it would be too short.

But am I attacking this report without reading it? Indeed I am.

94 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:04:50pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

the best way to solve our remaining race problems is to ignore them. Although I was being a bit cute, I stand by that. Racism is an execrable human behavior most of whose public manifestations have been properly outlawed in this country. We should rely on those laws and move forward. Calling people racist, racist, racist is like scratching a scab. It only makes it worse.


Wow.

95 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:05:06pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Life is too short to waste time reading it, but not too short to take time to attack it...

96 Lidane  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:06:23pm

Dear Raving Freakazoid Nut Sandwich,

In a globalized, tech-savvy, technologically dependent world, it doesn't do anyone any favors to keep holding on to this kind of anti-science, anti-reason, anti-intellectual garbage. By perpetuating this idiocy, you're only ensuring that future generations will be dumber than the ones that came before and that this country will get left in the dust.

Get over your fears of evolution and science already. They're ignorant, annoying, and hurt this country in the long run.

No love,
Me

97 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:09:01pm

re: #95 ralphieboy

Life is too short to waste time reading it, but not too short to take time to attack it...

Of course what he's really saying is that he knows that he's probably not going to find factual errors in the report. If he thought he could effectively debunk the report he'd do it.

98 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:10:33pm

Evolution continues. In recent times, evolutionarily speaking, various somewhat reproductively isolated human populations have acquired genetic differences from the rest of our species that are adaptive in their own situations. For example, the people of Tibet are better able to function at high altitude, and the genetic basis of this has been worked out.

There are populations that can, on average, dive deeper and hold their breath longer, by a considerable margin, than the overall average. There are other populations, in the Andes, with their own, and quite different, adaptations to high altitude. The prevalence of Samoans in the NFL is unlikely to be a simple accident; in times past, Samoans with strong arms were more likely to make shore ahead of the storm, or to be on the winning side of some naval skirmish.

As humanity has fanned out across the globe and into more and more varied climes and environments, some quite recent [e.g., high altitude, big cities] it stands to reason that evolution has only sped up.

Ten thousand years from now, they'll be arguing about whether or not we here count as human. And even that's the conservative prediction. What about AI? What about genetic engineering?

Meanwhile, can we perhaps notice that polar bears are evolving into marine mammals? Before our very eyes? This may be cut short by the current mass extinction event; if the arctic sea ice fails entirely in summer, they'll be very much under the gun. But still, it has to be clear what the trend until now was pointing at.

99 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:10:52pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Wow.

What a moron. Roger L. Simon, you have sunk so low whale shit is up.

100 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:12:41pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Of course what he's really saying is that he knows that he's probably not going to find factual errors in the report. If he thought he could effectively debunk the report he'd do it.


No, it is an a priori thing with him, because the report comes from the NAACP, which he views as a racist organization, he sees no reason to read it, only to criticize it for its provenance.

Just as he will criticize Islam without having read the Koran and criticize other groups of people based on his experiences with a few individuals of each group that he has encountered.

101 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:13:03pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Wow.

Interesting. Ignoring the expression of monkey tribal bigotry has certainly done wonders for the rejection of it by a growing segment of the US (the visible portion of the GOP), hasn't it?

102 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:13:15pm

OMG OMG OMG

I just got a call from a recruiter!

OMG OMG OMG

103 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:13:54pm

re: #102 Alouette

OMG OMG OMG

I just got a call from a recruiter!

OMG OMG OMG


Army or Marine Corps?

104 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:15:48pm

re: #103 ralphieboy

Army or Marine Corps?

Ford Motor Company supplier

105 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:21:02pm

re: #102 Alouette

OMG OMG OMG

I just got a call from a recruiter!

OMG OMG OMG

good for you!

*sigh* I remember when that was a common occurrence.

106 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:24:36pm

Looky—no more Pamela Geller on O'Donnell's endorsements page. That was fast.

107 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:26:29pm

re: #106 CuriousLurker

Looky—no more Pamela Geller on O'Donnell's endorsements page. That was fast.

That's a surprise.

108 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:27:05pm

re: #105 brookly red

good for you!

*sigh* I remember when that was a common occurrence.

The job description and skill set is about 100% match to a contract I had at Ford 3 years ago.

109 Lidane  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:27:31pm

re: #106 CuriousLurker

When will these idiots learn that you can't just magically erase things you don't want others to see from a campaign website? It's like it never dawns on these imbeciles that people might be monitoring their site for any changes.

110 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:27:46pm

Worth a thread of its own, I think...re: #106 CuriousLurker

Looky—no more Pamela Geller on O'Donnell's endorsements page. That was fast.

Worth a thread of its own, I think...

111 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:27:51pm

re: #27 Charles

Just received from someone who's apparently working at LAX (the IP traces to a Raytheon server at LAX Gate 2):

Yes, I'm going to report it.

What a fucking moron, posting shit like that from a government-monitored computer at work...

/although I can't say much about just the "posting from work" bit, because that's where I am now

112 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:28:27pm

re: #111 talon_262

What a fucking moron, posting shit like that from a government-monitored computer at work...

/although I can't say much about just the "posting from work" bit, because that's where I am now

also depends on who you are working for.

113 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:38:50pm

Glen Beck is proof that not Neanderthals became extinct, at least one evolved into a moronic wing-nut.

114 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:39:03pm

re: #108 Alouette

The job description and skill set is about 100% match to a contract I had at Ford 3 years ago.

good luck!

115 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:40:53pm

Speaking of idiot half-monkeys, Sarah Palin's former running mate is grateful for Citizens United gutting the law he wrote with Senator Feingold, as he gets close to crossing the line in his latest campaign ad (for himself?)...

At least he doesn't say he's not a witch.

116 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:40:53pm

re: #113 Reginald Perrin

Glen Beck is proof that not Neanderthals became extinct, at least one evolved into a moronic wing-nut.

Why are you insulting our kissing cousins?

117 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:41:15pm

correction: not all Neanderthals became extinct

pimf

118 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:41:20pm

re: #14 Obdicut

After further review-Beck has no church motivation to go after Darwin. He can be an inconsistent old testament literalist if he wants, but his church does not follow him there.

His motive is ratings and his perception of his audience. Nothing more or less.

119 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:43:59pm

Hmmmm, it would seem that either the buildings heating system has become possessed by an obnoxious demon- or the neighbors kid is learning to play the trumpet. I fear it may be the latter.

120 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:46:36pm

re: #118 Rightwingconspirator

After further review-Beck has no church motivation to go after Darwin. He can be an inconsistent old testament literalist if he wants, but his church does not follow him there.

His motive is ratings and his perception of his audience. Nothing more or less.

Glenn is an old style snake oil salesman patterned after some of the more notorious and money hungry religious pulpit pounders, with an added twist of lemon.

121 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:48:09pm

re: #120 b_sharp

Glenn is an old style snake oil salesman patterned after some of the more notorious and money hungry religious pulpit pounders, with an added twist of lemon.

hey I wonder I anyone has registered snakeoil.com ? It could be a winner...

122 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:51:04pm

re: #121 brookly red

hey I wonder I anyone has registered snakeoil.com ? It could be a winner...

I own it and will sell it to you. Just leave $5,000 in unmarked bills behind the third stall of the men's room station at the Shell Station on the I-65 truckstop near Shelbyville, IN, and I will put the domain in your name...

123 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:52:28pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel

Wingnuts in Oklahomastan have launched an all-out media blitz in favor of their insane Shariah prohibition amendment.

My hypothesis for what's really behind this nutty proposal: Wingnuts have their own body religious law they want to see passed. By claiming that this act against Shariah is necessary, they establish in the public mind that there isn't really an existing constitutional prohibition against religious law in general.

Wingnuts hate competition, real or perceived...

124 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:52:40pm

re: #122 ralphieboy

I own it and will sell it to you. Just leave $5,000 in unmarked bills behind the third stall of the men's room station at the Shell Station on the I-65 truckstop near Shelbyville, IN, and I will put the domain in your name...

how stupid do you think I am? no gas station has THREE stalls in the mens room!

125 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:57:02pm

re: #91 Shiplord Kirel

Imagine the horrible consequences if this patriotic act of resistance does not pass, and Shariah takes over in Oklahoma in a couple of years. Texas-OU weekend will just not be the same. "Getting stoned" will take on a whole new meaning for erstwhile party-goers. Half the women will be dressed in burkas, and half the participants will not be allowed alcohol, assuming that the juggernaut of Shariah has not conquered Texas too by then.

Don't be ridiculous. Austin would have a special exemption from Shariah, as would all the Indian casinos of Oklahoma.

//

126 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 2:59:46pm

re: #124 brookly red


Don't worry, I'll be there waiting to accept it in person...

127 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:00:12pm

re: #10 LudwigVanQuixote

Wasn't that something in Monster Manual II ?

Going off topic, I was struck by your CSA sword story. Feynman wrote of a series of exchanges he had with a con man, in which Feynman feigned interest but shying away from closing the deal because of a fear that X would happen, X being precisely the barb in the con-man's proposal. The conversation went round and round, ending when the con-man proposed a deal which had no barb, no trick, just sheer theft as its working mechanism.

He was disappointed in the guy.

128 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:00:44pm

re: #126 ralphieboy

Don't worry, I'll be there waiting to accept it in person...

Wait I know you... your the foot tapper

129 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:00:51pm

re: #125 lostlakehiker

Don't be ridiculous. Austin would have a special exemption from Shariah, as would all the Indian casinos of Oklahoma.

//


And all the trailer parks would have to be realigned wo the double-wides' picture windows faced Mecca...

130 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:01:25pm

The nuts are really stirred up today. Two more hate mails so far.

131 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:03:38pm

It looks like the Yankees decided to show up for Game 5. Up 5-1 in the 5th.

132 jaunte  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:04:28pm
Did evolution just stop? Did, did, did we, did all of a sudden just, there’s no other species that is developing into half-human?


Beck can't wrap his head around the idea that we humans are not the ultimate goal of evolution.

133 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:04:48pm

re: #128 brookly red

Wait I know you... your the foot tapper


just wad the bills up and stuff them through the glory hole...

134 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:06:14pm

re: #132 jaunte

Beck can't wrap his head around the idea that we humans are not the ultimate goal of evolution.

I'm not? gee can't wait to see what comes next...

135 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:06:43pm

re: #82 Amory Blaine

If god created man in his image, how come it is the same image of every other mammal on earth ?

What distinguishes man? Not his body; it's a nice body and all but it's on basically the same plan as the others. The brain is on basically the same plan too, but because of being so big and wrinkly, ours can bring off stunts that other brains cannot.

We can reason. This is the distinction.

136 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:06:50pm

re: #132 jaunte

Beck can't wrap his head around the idea that we humans are not the ultimate goal of evolution.


I give the man credit for doing what he does, which is being a highly successful media personality.

I think he is pitching this load because he knows it appeals to his target audience, and that is what matters to him at the end of the day, not whether he believes it himself or not.

137 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:07:06pm

re: #133 ralphieboy

just wad the bills up and stuff them through the glory hole...

I knew it was a bad idea to put wifi in the mens room...

138 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:08:24pm

re: #135 lostlakehiker

What distinguishes man? Not his body; it's a nice body and all but it's on basically the same plan as the others. The brain is on basically the same plan too, but because of being so big and wrinkly, ours can bring off stunts that other brains cannot.

We can reason. This is the distinction.

We have the ability to reason, and apply logic. It is abundantly clear that the population at large engages this ability on a part-time basis, if at all.

139 jaunte  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:09:31pm

re: #136 ralphieboy

True, if all you need to say is you're "just asking unpopular questions" to hold a certain audience, there's not much need to understand what you're talking about.

140 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:10:22pm

re: #134 brookly red

I'm not? gee can't wait to see what comes next...

Guess what. Indeed you can't. Our lives are short, and evolution takes time. There's a pretty strong case to be made that absent AI or genetic engineering, our species will be around, with variations but recognizably similar, for a long time.

We can survive almost anything, because we're so flexible. We, and rats and cockroaches and turtles and beetles and grasses, will endure. Not the best of company to be in, unless you're talking longevity. Which, right now, I am.

141 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:10:23pm

If we came from stardust, why are there still stars?

142 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:10:52pm

re: #136 ralphieboy

I give the man credit for doing what he does, which is being a highly successful media personality.

I think he is pitching this load because he knows it appeals to his target audience, and that is what matters to him at the end of the day, not whether he believes it himself or not.

Great, you just described Father Coughlin.

143 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:10:58pm

re: #69 ralphieboy

As most Americans cannot tell a Sunni from a Shi'ite (I must admit that I am also a bit fuzzy on the distinction myself) so we cannot expect them to distinguish between a Muslim and a Sikh or a Zoroastrian.

But most of them can tell a Jedi from a Sith

The fact that the Sith is shoving his lightsaber up your ass for fun is a dead give away.

144 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:12:13pm

re: #142 goddamnedfrank


Yes, Father C is certainly one of Glenn Beck's spiritual godfathers

145 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:13:17pm

Beck finally addresses the assassination attempt at the Tides Foundation (sort of) by threatening revenge on George Soros.....
Beck to Soros: "If anything happens to me ... blood will be on your hands, sir"
He's going to get people killed. I have no doubt about that.

146 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:13:55pm

re: #140 lostlakehiker

Guess what. Indeed you can't. Our lives are short, and evolution takes time. There's a pretty strong case to be made that absent AI or genetic engineering, our species will be around, with variations but recognizably similar, for a long time.

We can survive almost anything, because we're so flexible. We, and rats and cockroaches and turtles and beetles and grasses, will endure. Not the best of company to be in, unless you're talking longevity. Which, right now, I am.

naaah, longevity comes from resisting the temptation to do stupid things ;)

147 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:17:40pm

re: #143 Romantic Heretic

The fact that the Sith is shoving his lightsaber up your ass for fun is a dead give away.

/hello, 911? yeah we got a guy going nuts down here at the Hemorrhoid Laser Surgery Center... yeah, something about Shits, yeah, bring the tasers... thanks.

148 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:18:40pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Beck finally addresses the assassination attempt at the Tides Foundation (sort of) by threatening revenge on George Soros...
Beck to Soros: "If anything happens to me ... blood will be on your hands, sir"
He's going to get people killed. I have no doubt about that.

Frigging drama queen he is. Seriously, he's acted like the Obama administration was going to take him away for having the "courage" to speak out against them and he recited the Martin Nimholler poem which interesting cites social democrats, trade unionists, and communists which also puts a whole dent in Glenn's whole the Nazis were leftists bullshit. Seriously, this guy is a lunatic who seems to get a thrill of stirring up shit.

149 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:19:29pm

re: #119 brookly red

Hmmm, it would seem that either the buildings heating system has become possessed by an obnoxious demon- or the neighbors kid is learning to play the trumpet. I fear it may be the latter.

Could be worse. Could be bagpipes.

150 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:20:19pm

re: #149 Romantic Heretic

Could be worse. Could be bagpipes.

you have a point...

151 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:20:31pm

Where's my jetpack crocoduck

152 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:21:20pm

Just ran across this in an article over at [Link: www.salon.com...] on why Republicans are so vocally anti-science, and it seems to fit the thread here:

"The truth is, American Republican politicians have pulled off a very neat trick. They've tapped into widespread grass roots anger that manifests itself in all kinds of volatile ways, while pursuing a political agenda that primarily benefits elites and specific corporate special interests.

When those two match up -- as in the case of climate change skepticism, the GOP is golden, and the politicians feel free to rant away. But when they don't match up: taxing the rich, for example, they are remarkably quiet..."

153 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:21:33pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Frigging drama queen he is. Seriously, he's acted like the Obama administration was going to take him away for having the "courage" to speak out against them and he recited the Martin Nimholler poem which interesting cites social democrats, trade unionists, and communists which also puts a whole dent in Glenn's whole the Nazis were leftists bullshit. Seriously, this guy is a lunatic who seems to get a thrill of stirring up shit.

This also makes his illness a serious concern. If his fans think he was poisoned by a secret plot it could be big trouble.

154 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:21:36pm

re: #151 jamesfirecat

Where's my jetpack crocoduck

I think the unicorn done ate it...

155 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:22:53pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

This also makes his illness a serious concern. If his fans think he was poisoned by a secret plot it could be big trouble.

hmmm, fluoride or vaccines??? chem trails maybe???

156 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:27:36pm

Wow! Look at this from Sweden Local:

Malmö shooter targeting immigrants: police

Police in Malmö now believe that more than a dozen unexplained shootings which have taken place in the city this year may be connected.

"We have established a special unit here in Malmoe to investigate between 10 and 15 similar crimes ... They are all shootings with no apparent motive," local police spokesman Lars-Haakan Lindholm told AFP.

While the special unit has refused to reveal exactly which cases it is looking into, Lindholm said they had in common that the victims in virtually every case appeared to be of immigrant origin and "we have no explanation for why they were shot."

157 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:27:47pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

This also makes his illness a serious concern. If his fans think he was poisoned by a secret plot it could be big trouble.

He's a pethetic pos when it comes down to it really. How anyone buys his bullshit I'll never know.

158 Idle Drifter  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:29:34pm

re: #154 brookly red

I think the unicorn done ate it...

Is that the unicorn that farts cheeseburgers?

159 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:32:20pm

Hint to CNN: Interview Glenn Beck's high school teachers to see what they think of him today.

160 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:32:21pm

re: #158 Idle Drifter

Is that the unicorn that farts cheeseburgers?

yes... I named him White Castel.

161 Timmeh  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:35:53pm

This old chestnut is one of the most ignorant arguments against evolution. I'm amazed anyone still brings it up.

You have to be willfully ignorant to use this as an argument because it's been explained over and over again. evolutionary change does not point toward humans or any other species. No other creature will ever evolve into humans, nor will horses evolve into cows or vise versa. All species including humans will continue to evolve, but it takes thousands of generations to see big changes. Sometimes the changes are very subtle such as resistance to diseases or enemy species.

162 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:37:35pm

re: #141 Tigger2005

If we came from stardust, why are there still stars?

We are stardust,
We are golden,
And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden.

163 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:40:01pm

re: #162 talon_262

We are stardust,
We are golden,
And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden.


[Video]

/you wanna buy some brown acid?

164 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:41:37pm

Elvira - "I'm you, except with bigger tits."

165 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:42:03pm

re: #155 brookly red

hmmm, fluoride or vaccines??? chem trails maybe???

Diet Coke...

166 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:42:45pm

re: #165 talon_262

Diet Coke...

I count that as chem trails...

167 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:44:22pm

re: #48 Obdicut

They prefer a brute-force God to an elegant one. They prefer brute-force ideas to elegant ones. They seem to really detest anything and anyone smarter than them-- to the extent that they claim God is not, actually, all that smart.

I really don't get it. I love people who are smarter than me. They fucking rock. That's who I learn from.

you can't possibly mean they lack nuance?........

168 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:44:40pm

God Bless The Planet Of The Apes

169 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:45:47pm

re: #164 darthstar

Elvira - "I'm you, except with bigger tits."


[Video]

she looks good for being over a hundred years old...

170 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:46:03pm

re: #168 WindUpBird

God Bless The Planet Of The Apes

YOU MANIACS!!!!

171 Kronocide  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:46:21pm

It's ridiculous to think we came from monkeys. Or some giant explosion 13.7 billions years ago. That is ridiculous.

No, all this stuff was created in six days 6013 years ago. By God. And on the 7th day he watched the Packers/Bears game.

172 Idle Drifter  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:46:43pm

What is going to said to the first AI child that looks up to its parents or most importantly society and asks, "Do I have a soul?" or "Am I a real person?"

This is why I love Science Fiction and Science Fantasy.

173 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:47:12pm

re: #171 BigPapa

It's ridiculous to think we came from monkeys. Or some giant explosion 13.7 billions years ago. That is ridiculous.

No, all this stuff was created in six days 6013 years ago. By God. And on the 7th day he watched the Packers/Bears game.

and ate pizza...

174 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:47:48pm
175 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:47:56pm

re: #27 Charles

Just received from someone who's apparently working at LAX (the IP traces to a Raytheon server at LAX Gate 2):

You have the fucking gall to hail the NAACP report about racism in the Tea Party. The NAACP is one of most vile and anti-semitic hate groups you fat pony-tailed slob. They hosted Farrakhan at one of their meetings and now they have the brazen temerity to smear the Tea Party??? You are evidently in bed fellating the NAACP and other Jew-haters. Fuck you Jew-hating bastard.

Yes, I'm going to report it.

Gosh, it's a good thing he's not a hater like you, huh?

I hope he actually works there and was stupid enough to send the email over a monitored corporate network. They can log every move you make.

176 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:49:19pm

re: #171 BigPapa

It's ridiculous to think we came from monkeys. Or some giant explosion 13.7 billions years ago. That is ridiculous.

No, all this stuff was created in six days 6013 years ago. By God. And on the 7th day he watched the Packers/Bears game.

Couldn't save them from the overtime rule though...........

177 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:49:26pm

re: #175 CuriousLurker

Yes, I'm going to report it.

Gosh, it's a good thing he's not a hater like you, huh?

I hope he actually works there and was stupid enough to send the email over a monitored corporate network. They can log every move you make.

Charles did say they were Raytheon servers. I think you can safely omit the 'can' from that statement.

178 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:49:32pm

re: #175 CuriousLurker

Yes, I'm going to report it.

Gosh, it's a good thing he's not a hater like you, huh?

I hope he actually works there and was stupid enough to send the email over a monitored corporate network. They can log every move you make.

Oh how hilarious would that be, total ownage

179 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:49:56pm

re: #90 ralphieboy

You mean God made man, but he used a monkey to do it?

Apes in the plan, and we're all here to prove it.

180 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:50:31pm

re: #176 wozzablog

Couldn't save them from the overtime rule though...

the Lord works in mysterious ways...

181 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:50:37pm

Does anyone else think that with the goofy glasses he wears that Glenn looks like an emo? Certainly acts the part. He's the biggest crybaby there is out there. Reminds me of a Kennedy quote I found that he apparently was going to give in Dallas the day he died and he said to paraphrase that there will always be those out there who will always find fault and gloom in everything but never favor. I see that quote and think immediately about Beck, Palin, and the whole TP movement. These people all they do is whine and whine but have no positive ideas just whining.

182 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:52:52pm

re: #177 3eff Jeff

Gosh, it's a good thing he's not a hater like you, huh?

I hope he actually works there and was stupid enough to send the email over a monitored corporate network. They can log every move you make.

Charles did say they were Raytheon servers. I think you can safely omit the 'can' from that statement.

Precisely.

183 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:54:51pm

re: #178 WindUpBird

Oh how hilarious would that be, total ownage

Heh, yeah, I wonder how tough he'd be talking if he got hauled into some manager's office and presented with a hard copy of his little screed. Oopsie!

184 Idle Drifter  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:54:51pm

Oh crap, what bug has China in international embargo mode. The article brings up a nice phrase: economic nationalism.

Officials Claim Chinese Rare Earth Metals Embargo Expands to Include to U.S. and Europe

We've called it protectionism in the past but considering the current climate of politics across the world economic nationalism does seem to better articulate the situation.

185 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:55:51pm

Pam is pissed....

Christine O'Donnell has caved to Salon. No, this is not satire. She actually removed my endorsement from her endorsement page. That took, what? Five minutes? Unbelievable, caving to the crazies at Salon whose currency is destroying voices of reason. It is a pity that a "maverick" and "outsider" would lack any spine and exhibit such incredible political cowardice. ENDORSEMENT WITHDRAWN. It's a shame that this is the quality of people we have representing us against the Obama machine. How can we win?
186 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:55:53pm

re: #183 CuriousLurker

Heh, yeah, I wonder how tough he'd be talking if he got hauled into some manager's office and presented with a hard copy of his little screed. Oopsie!

/well obviously some one used my computer while I was on break... next.

187 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:57:51pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

Pam is pissed...

"You can't refuse my endorsement--I take it back!!1!1"

188 jaunte  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:58:28pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

I missed that one in last night's thread, so...

OBAMA MACHINE!1!!1

189 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 3:58:42pm

re: #186 brookly red

/well obviously some one used my computer while I was on break... next.

Nope. He'd have to have been logged in or have used someone else's creds to log in. I doubt anyone's going to be willing to take the fall for him. Besides, airports have surveillance cameras every-freaking-where, so if he was near that computer...

190 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:01:50pm

re: #189 CuriousLurker

Nope. He'd have to have been logged in or have used someone else's creds to log in. I doubt anyone's going to be willing to take the fall for him. Besides, airports have surveillance cameras every-freaking-where, so if he was near that computer...

Not to mention that normal policy is that if you allow your account to be misused, you're still in a lot of trouble.

191 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:02:48pm

re: #189 CuriousLurker

Nope. He'd have to have been logged in or have used someone else's creds to log in. I doubt anyone's going to be willing to take the fall for him. Besides, airports have surveillance cameras every-freaking-where, so if he was near that computer...

/I wasn't there & thats not my gun... thats my story & I'm sticking to it.

192 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:02:52pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

Pam is pissed...

Bwahahaha...

Image: American_McGee%27s_Alice%2C_Cheshire_Cat.jpg

193 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:02:53pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

Pam is pissed...

Maybe Pam should look in the mirror because if O'Donnell thinks she's nuts and an embarassment that's saying something.

194 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:03:41pm

The EDL is also busy protesting Halal food at KFC in the UK recently. One of their more prominent protesters is fresh out of jail.....
Blackburn KFC demo ‘chicken’ is attack thug

A ‘DANGEROUS’ man who left his victim with a permanent brain injury has been released from jail early and is taking part in English Defence League protests.

Bernard Holmes, 25, formerly of Coleridge Street, Blackburn, was jailed for two years and four months, in February for causing grievous bodily harm to Shaun Baxendale.

Mr Baxendale was left with ‘catastrophic’ injuries and a change in personality in the unprovoked May 2009 attack.

He had to have a piece of his skull removed.

However, because Holmes spent more than seven months in custody before his trial, he is now out on licence after technically serving half his term.


That's him in the chicken suit.

195 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:04:45pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Maybe Pam should look in the mirror because if O'Donnell thinks she's nuts and an embarassment that's saying something.

That would require her acknowledging that Charles was right. It ain't gonna happen.

196 ozbloke  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:06:01pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

Pam is pissed...

Thanks Killgore, that made my day.

197 jaunte  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:06:12pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Maybe Pam should look in the mirror because if O'Donnell thinks she's nuts and an embarassment that's saying something.

She won't. Look at the blame she immediately hurls:
- crazies at Salon
- spinelacking political coward
- Obama machine!

198 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:06:36pm

Charles, Gus has a fabulous post about racism in the GOP. I really think it ought to be a thread of its own.

This was not some random teabag, but was part of the establishment.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Virginia Beach Republican Party chair Dave Bartholomew forwarded a racist email comparing African Americans to dogs. The email, subject line "my, dog," consists of a racist parable about African Americans and welfare. In the first 24 hours since the email came to light, Democrats condemned Bartholomew and he resigned his position with the Republican Party.

MY DOG
I went down this morning to sign up my Dog for welfare.

At first the lady said, "Dogs are not eligible to draw welfare".

So I explained to her that my Dog is black, unemployed, lazy, can't speak English and has no frigging clue who his Daddy is.

So she looked in her policy book to see what it takes to qualify...

My Dog gets his first check Friday.

Is this a great country or what?

199 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:07:12pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

Pam is pissed...

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

My heart bleeds for you, Pam, you fucking attention whore.

200 Idle Drifter  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:07:41pm

re: #188 jaunte

I missed that one in last night's thread, so...

OBAMA MACHINE!1!!1

Sorry, Obama Machine is no match for Robot Nixon: May Death Come Swiftly To His Enemies.

201 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:07:48pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

The EDL is also busy protesting Halal food at KFC in the UK recently. One of their more prominent protesters is fresh out of jail...
Blackburn KFC demo ‘chicken’ is attack thug


That's him in the chicken suit.

Mr Baxendale was left with ‘catastrophic’ injuries and a change in personality in the unprovoked May 2009 attack.

/we call that an attitude adjustment around here...

202 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:08:42pm

re: #191 brookly red

Hey b, did you hear that your beloved drones are in danger of being grounded? Looks like I may be able to troll you with impunity soon. *waves scimitar in air menacingly*

203 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:10:27pm

re: #202 CuriousLurker

Hey b, did you hear that your beloved drones are in danger of being grounded? Looks like I may be able to troll you with impunity soon. *waves scimitar in air menacingly*

does the word "out-sourcing" mean anything to you?

204 Claire  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:13:19pm

Glenn, in sedimentary rock in Africa, dumbass. And a few museums.

Doesn't he have anyone around him brave enough to sit him down, hold his hand, and take the 5 minutes to explain to him how it all works as a favor to the human race? Please, somebody out there, hear my plea.

205 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:13:20pm

re: #203 brookly red

does the word "out-sourcing" mean anything to you?

Damn. *stomps across room, flops down in corner, pouts*

206 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:14:09pm

re: #198 LudwigVanQuixote

I simply could not resist
LOLCAT Translator

207 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:16:47pm

Yikes! I just remembered I was supposed to create a PDF & upload it before a conference call that starts in less that 15 minutes.

Gotta run.... BBL

208 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:16:58pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

The EDL is also busy protesting Halal food at KFC in the UK recently. One of their more prominent protesters is fresh out of jail...
Blackburn KFC demo ‘chicken’ is attack thug


That's him in the chicken suit.

From the Lancashire Telegraph story:

Pictures on his Facebook site also show him and fellow members of the right-wing group, who call themselves the ‘Knuckledraggers’, at last weekend’s heavily-policed rally in Leicester.

What a bunch of fucking losers...

209 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:17:14pm

re: #205 CuriousLurker

Damn. *stomps across room, flops down in corner, pouts*

you need to learn to love the drones... the are just a highly evolved version model air planes...

210 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:18:28pm
211 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:18:36pm

Speaking of scimitars, I present the following.

Usually, one sees Wudang and Tai Chi sword forms presented as forms, where the goals are about perfecting body mechanics and chi.

This video shows some practical application of the forms by some people who are pretty good (using training swords).

It should be pretty clear that this is a powerful and subtle style that would end things very quickly for someone.

212 Idle Drifter  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:19:32pm

re: #210 negativ

What the Obama machine may look like

Wow! President Obama is actually President Johny 5!

213 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:19:34pm

re: #98 lostlakehiker

They have acquired genetic differences from the rest of our species that are adaptive in their own situations.

This is an incorrect way of view evolution. They don't 'acquire' genetic differences, but genetic traits that are present in the rest of humans as well are emphasized there.


The prevalence of Samoans in the NFL is unlikely to be a simple accident; in times past, Samoans with strong arms were more likely to make shore ahead of the storm, or to be on the winning side of some naval skirmish.


That is really spurious; there are any number of reasons why body mass may have been selected for. Speculating about random reasons is just silly.

As humanity has fanned out across the globe and into more and more varied climes and environments, some quite recent [e.g., high altitude, big cities] it stands to reason that evolution has only sped up.

Again, no. That's not what evolution is. If you mean that there's been a higher selection pressure on us because of different environments, it's true, but most of the selection pressure comes from bacteria, viruses, and other pathogens, causing a Red Queen effect; running in place, in an arms war. Humans are already well-adapted to nearly every environment because we're humans-- we can create tools, systems, and work together.

Ten thousand years from now, they'll be arguing about whether or not we here count as human. And even that's the conservative prediction.

This is completely wrong. We are really not very genetically distinct from ten thousand year old ancestors at all.

Meanwhile, can we perhaps notice that polar bears are evolving into marine mammals? Before our very eyes?

Yes, because it's not true. There is no end-point to evolution. They have evolved in adaptation to their environment, part terrestrial and part aquatic. Saying they're evolving into marine mammals is as silly as saying frogs are evolving into lizards or into fish.

You've got a lot of misapprehensions about evolution.

214 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:21:16pm

re: #211 LudwigVanQuixote

I like the use of the term body mechanics... I am a big fan of C.C. Chen

215 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:22:13pm

re: #211 LudwigVanQuixote


This video shows some practical application of the forms by some people who are pretty good (using training swords).

It should be pretty clear that this is a powerful and subtle style that would end things very quickly for someone.

We took Tai Chi and actually worked up the opponents form, that is to say the invisible opponent that Tai Chi appears to react to. It led us to the best combat tactics for those techniques. Very interesting to explore if time consuming. Worth every second.

216 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:24:46pm

Subway commute time BBL folks.

217 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:26:11pm

re: #215 Rightwingconspirator

We took Tai Chi and actually worked up the opponents form, that is to say the invisible opponent that Tai Chi appears to react to. It led us to the best combat tactics for those techniques. Very interesting to explore if time consuming. Worth every second.

and the other benefits are equally amazing...

218 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:27:19pm

re: #210 negativ

What the Obama machine may look like

Unfortunately, since I am at work, your link popped up this:

The link you are accessing has been blocked by the Barracuda Web Filter because it contains content belonging to the category of: Tasteless & Offensive

Is it tasteless, offensive, or tasteless AND offensive? ;-P

219 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:27:19pm

re: #214 brookly red

I like the use of the term body mechanics... I am a big fan of C.C. Chen

Everything is ultimately governed by physics. All woo aside that can come from a martial arts discussion, lever, joints and muscles work in certain ways.

re: #215 Rightwingconspirator

We took Tai Chi and actually worked up the opponents form, that is to say the invisible opponent that Tai Chi appears to react to. It led us to the best combat tactics for those techniques. Very interesting to explore if time consuming. Worth every second.

I have just recently started learning it. I find the internal styles a fabulous balance to the Karate I had studied before.

As far as sword goes, I love the jian and the wudang styles. It is very elegant and very effective. It is like a cross between Spanish dueling saber and English rapier in many ways.

Of course, swords obey physics also and one you have a straight blade of medium length, certain things work and others don't - and in the context of the thread, there are very powerful selective forces at work.

220 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:30:11pm

re: #210 negativ

What the Obama machine may look like

Great a terminator Muslim Commie Nazi Progressive from the the future. Just what we ened.

221 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:30:16pm

re: #219 LudwigVanQuixote

Have they rediscovered Wootz steel-making yet?

222 shutdown  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:30:45pm

When Beck asked where the half-monkey, half-human was, I thought it was either:
a) a rhetorical question because there was no mirror in the studio; or
b) Paladino was meant to be a guest on the program but was busy busting up the green room and missed his cue.

223 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:30:48pm

re: #213 Obdicut

There is no end-point to evolution.

This is one of the most frustration misperceptions. Lots of people have a notion of evolution as a sort of ladder. "Less evolved" and "more evolved" are meaningless, because as you point out, there's no end game. Crocodiles have been evolving a hell of a lot longer than any mammal alive today, and they haven't "advanced" very much in millions of years.

224 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:31:58pm

re: #218 talon_262

Unfortunately, since I am at work, your link popped up this:

Is it tasteless, offensive, or tasteless AND offensive? ;-P

try this

I don't taste anything.

225 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:32:00pm

re: #219 LudwigVanQuixote

Everything is ultimately governed by physics. All woo aside that can come from a martial arts discussion, lever, joints and muscles work in certain ways.

re: #215 Rightwingconspirator

I have just recently started learning it. I find the internal styles a fabulous balance to the Karate I had studied before.

As far as sword goes, I love the jian and the wudang styles. It is very elegant and very effective. It is like a cross between Spanish dueling saber and English rapier in many ways.

Of course, swords obey physics also and one you have a straight blade of medium length, certain things work and others don't - and in the context of the thread, there are very powerful selective forces at work.

Indeed. I think you will find internal style most rewarding...

226 brookly red  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:33:33pm

free eats! back later...

227 Idle Drifter  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:34:32pm

re: #211 LudwigVanQuixote

Cool video proving the most effective attack is often the simplest.

228 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:39:38pm

re: #224 negativ

try this

I don't taste anything.

Those pics made me want to see a battle royale between President Obama and Ahnold... ;-P

229 Artist  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:40:58pm

OT:

Pepsimaaaaaaan!

230 shutdown  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:42:51pm

re: #229 SteelPH

Help me out here. Were you involved somehow in the creation of this ad, or do you just really like Pepsi?

231 Artist  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:43:19pm

re: #230 imp_62

Pepsiman was the japanese mascot for Pepsi. :p

232 shutdown  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:46:10pm

re: #228 talon_262

Those pics made me want to see a battle royale between President Obama and Ahnold... ;-P

A really cool conspiracy theory just floated into my consciousness. What if all of this Palin nonsense and Tea Party tomfoolery is just a set-up to make Arnold look like a mainstream candidate and cause the birth requirement to be waived for Presidency? That would explain the fixation of the birthers, and the extermism of party rhetoric. And then: Arnold to the rescue! An Austrian takeover of the White House.

233 shutdown  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:46:47pm

re: #231 SteelPH

Pepsiman was the japanese mascot for Pepsi. :p

ahhh, so des-ka.

234 darthstar  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:48:44pm

re: #199 talon_262

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

My heart bleeds for you, Pam, you fucking attention whore.

I like the Salon headline:Christine O'Donnell advertises endorsement from bigot blogger Pamela Geller

"bigot blogger"...ha! That's going to leave a mark.

235 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:52:56pm

re: #211 LudwigVanQuixote

Speaking of scimitars, I present the following.

Usually, one sees Wudang and Tai Chi sword forms presented as forms, where the goals are about perfecting body mechanics and chi.

This video shows some practical application of the forms by some people who are pretty good (using training swords).


[Video]

It should be pretty clear that this is a powerful and subtle style that would end things very quickly for someone.

Very cool, Ludwig. Thanks.

Still prefer sai myself though.

236 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:54:02pm

re: #221 Obdicut

Have they rediscovered Wootz steel-making yet?

You mean Damascus blades (the real ones).

There have been a lot of articles about it in the sword world. Pretty much everyone agrees that what made those blades so special, was not the pattern welding (every sword making culture employed mixing and folding different steels to forge blades) but the local soil chemistry of the plants from that region of India (used to fire the furnaces and add carbon into the steel ingots) and the trace elements in the ore.

The plants and ores were apparently were somewhat chromium, tungsten and vanadium rich and there was a fair amount of silicon that ended up into the mix as well.

When that minse ran out, Damascus swords stopped being made.

Blades with chromium and silicon in the alloy can be tempered to very hard edges, yet they are quite forgiving of taking a bend or shattering.

Modern 9260 spring steel is something like that, and it can take a hell of a beating and keep delivering.

However, true Damascus blades had a much higher carbon content than that. High carbon content also makes for a very hard edge, but, it makes the blade brittle.

That is where the tungsten and vanadium came in.

In the 1980's a sword geek physicist and a swordsmith from Britain teamed up and rediscovered the process. Later generations of sword geek physicists repeated the feat at Stanford and Lawrence Livermore labs.

237 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:59:56pm

re: #236 LudwigVanQuixote

Cool. Thanks.

238 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:07:57pm

Correction,

Alfred Pendry, the smith I mentioned in 236 is American and not British.

239 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:09:29pm

Here is the scientific paper that was written. Apparently the physicist is American too... Oh well.

240 brownbagj  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:11:30pm

Ah, humans won't keep evolving. We pretty much have mastered the art of killing whatever is different than "us."

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:11:58pm

re: #11 Obdicut

What really annoys me is that one of my earliest memories as a kid is going to a museum and seeing a model of Australopithecus.

They were a species of hominid that did go extinct. They could be called 'half human, half monkey". So there's one.

So no, evolution didn't just 'stop'. But humans aren't an endpoint-- we're just one species out of many. And 99.5% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct. Including many 'half-human, half-monkey' species.

I'd like for our particular species not to go extinct, at least not until we build some AIs. People like Beck, the Koch brothers, the current GOP leadership, and the rest of the anti-science brigade are literally endangering the future of the human species.

I remember when the 'Ardi' fossil was getting a lot of press, someone over at Hot Air huffed, "Well, I'll believe it when they show us THE MISSING LINK. Where's the fossil halfway between human and ape?"

Someone else commented, "Have you seen the picture of this one? It looks about like that to me."

He was disregarded.

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:13:20pm

re: #23 ralphieboy

The Mormons seem quite reasonable about it, according to the quotes in Wikipedia:

Although the LDS Church has no position on evolution, it has produced a number of official doctrinal statements on the "origin of man." These statements generally adopt the position, as a church-approved encyclopedia states, "The scriptures tell why man was created, but they do not tell how..."

Which makes perfect sense to me or any other rational person. Only a close-minded literalist idiot could see a conflict between Biblical Creation and the Theory of Evolution.

The position of the Catholic Church is quite similar, including the statement that evolution appears, to our scientific knowledge, to be the means by which God chose to create.

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:16:09pm

re: #44 abbyadams

She then asked us why we were in the area. We explained about the music festival, and stated that my husband was a music teacher. She responded wth "You know, Lucifer led the choir in heaven."

I don't THINK that the significance of that statement is that there shouldn't have been a choir in heaven.

244 brownbagj  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:16:48pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

I see it as this way.

And I don't fear science as a Christian. I just see science as "reverse" engineering what has been created - it is fascinating, wonderful and not threatening at all.

I don't know why faith has to be at odds with science. I really don't, unless, people deep down may not really have the faith they profess to defend.

245 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:17:48pm

re: #243 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't THINK that the significance of that statement is that there shouldn't have been a choir in heaven.

But you THOUGHT and that's the first major clue that you're doing something wrong when trying to understand the "logic" of someone like that.

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:19:41pm

re: #61 freetoken

Also, I've not been following this story so can't vouch for it, but if true it seems emblematic of the sad nature of the American electorate:

White House cancels Obama trip to Sikh temple over Muslim rumor concerns

Because it's well-known that...sekret Muslims like to hang out at Sikh temples? This fails to compute on a number of levels.

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:20:32pm

re: #64 Alouette

They are also skipping the Mumbai Chabad center because of "security concerns."

They can't keep the President safe at the Chabad House?

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:22:40pm

re: #98 lostlakehiker

Evolution continues. In recent times, evolutionarily speaking, various somewhat reproductively isolated human populations have acquired genetic differences from the rest of our species that are adaptive in their own situations. For example, the people of Tibet are better able to function at high altitude, and the genetic basis of this has been worked out.

There are populations that can, on average, dive deeper and hold their breath longer, by a considerable margin, than the overall average. There are other populations, in the Andes, with their own, and quite different, adaptations to high altitude. The prevalence of Samoans in the NFL is unlikely to be a simple accident; in times past, Samoans with strong arms were more likely to make shore ahead of the storm, or to be on the winning side of some naval skirmish.

As humanity has fanned out across the globe and into more and more varied climes and environments, some quite recent [e.g., high altitude, big cities] it stands to reason that evolution has only sped up.

Ten thousand years from now, they'll be arguing about whether or not we here count as human. And even that's the conservative prediction. What about AI? What about genetic engineering?

Meanwhile, can we perhaps notice that polar bears are evolving into marine mammals? Before our very eyes? This may be cut short by the current mass extinction event; if the arctic sea ice fails entirely in summer, they'll be very much under the gun. But still, it has to be clear what the trend until now was pointing at.

We're doing cavemen in Social Studies right now. My sixth-graders wanted to know if human evolution was ongoing, and then speculated on what good adaptations for the future might be.

249 brownbagj  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:22:51pm

re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist

So when my wife gets out of the shower with a towel wrapped around here head she may be confused as a sekrit Muslim?

/

We have to do better as a nation. This is just sad.

250 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:23:53pm

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

Hopefully you told them that's not how evolution works.

Have you read Dennett's Darwin's Dangerous Idea yet?

If you have any super-super-supersmart students, give them that.

251 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:24:49pm

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

We're doing cavemen in Social Studies right now. My sixth-graders wanted to know if human evolution was ongoing, and then speculated on what good adaptations for the future might be.

Gills and anything that will help us survive in cold water for longer when Global Warming melts the ice caps. Also more fur so as the ozone layer decreases we won't get cooked alive by UV rays.

(I wish I was kidding)

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:25:15pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Beck finally addresses the assassination attempt at the Tides Foundation (sort of) by threatening revenge on George Soros...
Beck to Soros: "If anything happens to me ... blood will be on your hands, sir"
He's going to get people killed. I have no doubt about that.

Beck doesn't accept responsibility for the people he whips up into a felonious frenzy, why should he expect Soros to do it?

253 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:26:43pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Yes, he's claiming that George Soros wants to kill him.

Beck: Media Matters press release on Soros donation is "almost like a 'WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE' poster"

Glenn, if George Soros intended to kill you, you'd be dead. Stop whinging.

(Why is he mad at Soros? I won't watch Beck clips anymore.)

254 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:29:18pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

Glenn, if George Soros intended to kill you, you'd be dead. Stop whinging.

(Why is he mad at Soros? I won't watch Beck clips anymore.)

Soros is one of the perennial bete noirs of the far right.

Though, as far as a possible assassination attempt on Beck goes, if anyone offs him, it will likely be a disgruntled fan who lost his shirt in one of Beck's gold scams.

255 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:30:46pm

re: #250 Obdicut

Hopefully you told them that's not how evolution works.

Have you read Dennett's Darwin's Dangerous Idea yet?

If you have any super-super-supersmart students, give them that.

I'm trying to give them the basics. I could do more if I actually taught science, but, well, that's someone else. They did really like being told that they might be someone's weird-looking ancestors with funny skulls.

256 prairiefire  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:33:44pm

re: #254 LudwigVanQuixote

Yep, gold is headed downward as the dollar strengthens.

257 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:34:10pm

re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm trying to give them the basics. I could do more if I actually taught science, but, well, that's someone else. They did really like being told that they might be someone's weird-looking ancestors with funny skulls.

Might be more interesting to discuss what kinds of technological innovations might be required to survive a sudden change in the environment.

Human evolution has become much more technological than biological. We tend to move into new environments and either adapt them to us, or build machines and tools to adapt ourselves to them.

You might also discuss how an adaptation that works in one situation might be maladaptive in another.

258 prairiefire  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:36:06pm

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

I have read that the fifth toe will be unnecessary. It is already curled back under quite a bit on my son's and my nephew's feet.

259 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:36:18pm

Just to continue with my wudang sword theme, this is beautiful.

260 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:37:25pm

re: #219 LudwigVanQuixote

May we find ourselves in the same Dojo someday, we'd have some great fun and trade some tricks.

I have a bias to where I spent most of that training time-Escrima. Inosanto La Cost style. There is a Philippine legend-That Lapu Lapu faced down Magellan personally and defeated him one on one. Albeit two swords vs one. Philippine vs Spanish sword styles.

The one I have not even come close to using well is the Sword and Daggger or espada i daga. Very difficult style to work into.

261 brownbagj  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:37:59pm

re: #258 prairiefire

What about the little piggy that cried wee wee all the home?

262 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:39:18pm

re: #261 brownbagj

What about the little piggy that cried wee wee all the home?

He had a urinary incontinence problem.. The line was actually the little piggy that went wee wee wee all the way home.

263 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:39:19pm

re: #257 PT Barnum

Might be more interesting to discuss what kinds of technological innovations might be required to survive a sudden change in the environment.

Human evolution has become much more technological than biological. We tend to move into new environments and either adapt them to us, or build machines and tools to adapt ourselves to them.

You might also discuss how an adaptation that works in one situation might be maladaptive in another.

The anthropologists' version of that is "Culture is Man's ecological niche". On the other hand, gills might be useful.

264 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:42:09pm

re: #263 Decatur Deb

The anthropologists' version of that is "Culture is Man's ecological niche". On the other hand, gills might be useful.

I was an anthropology/religion major in college.

What does an anthropology/religion major say to a business major after graduation?

Do you want fries with that?

265 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:42:29pm

re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist

Cool.

A friend of mine was born without a collarbone. This is actually really useful-- a collarbone is support for brachiation, and we really don't need it. It just gets in the way of us doing stuff in front of us with our arms. (He actually was born with severely attenuated ones, not just 'none', but functionally, none). He's a lot stronger than a comparative normal person as long as he's not raising his arms past his shoulder.

A good example of an adaptation that, if we weren't already so well-adapted through our minds and tools, be selected for. As it is, it's just a curiosity, nothing more.

266 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:45:28pm

re: #265 Obdicut

Cool.

A friend of mine was born without a collarbone. This is actually really useful-- a collarbone is support for brachiation, and we really don't need it. It just gets in the way of us doing stuff in front of us with our arms. (He actually was born with severely attenuated ones, not just 'none', but functionally, none). He's a lot stronger than a comparative normal person as long as he's not raising his arms past his shoulder.

A good example of an adaptation that, if we weren't already so well-adapted through our minds and tools, be selected for. As it is, it's just a curiosity, nothing more.

To what extent will genetic engineering take the whole evolutionary question out of the equation once we are able to induce useful mutations at will?

267 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:47:10pm

re: #264 PT Barnum

I was an anthropology/religion major in college.

What does an anthropology/religion major say to a business major after graduation?

Do you want fries with that?

What does a paleontologist say when his buddy finds a bone?

"If it still stinks, give it to the ethnographer".

268 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:48:30pm

re: #267 Decatur Deb

What does a paleontologist say when his buddy finds a bone?

"If it still stinks, give it to the ethnographer".

Love it!

269 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:49:26pm

re: #266 PT Barnum

Er-- I'm not quite sure what you mean.

We are a long way from being able to splice useful genes into ourselves at all, we are even farther away from being able to do so without terrible side effects. So if we ever got so good at genetic engineering we could modify our genes to make different traits exist-- like, better eyesight than human normal, etc-- then yeah, that'd kind of make evolution 'out of the equation'. But that is incredibly, incredibly sci-fi. Very far off in the distance; we don't actually even understood how our genetic information really works, yet, what most of our genes actually code for, not to mention the specifics of how the communication inside our cells goes on.

270 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:50:55pm

re: #259 LudwigVanQuixote

Just to continue with my wudang sword theme, this is beautiful.


[Video]

Indeed.

271 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:51:46pm

re: #269 Obdicut

Er-- I'm not quite sure what you mean.

We are a long way from being able to splice useful genes into ourselves at all, we are even farther away from being able to do so without terrible side effects. So if we ever got so good at genetic engineering we could modify our genes to make different traits exist-- like, better eyesight than human normal, etc-- then yeah, that'd kind of make evolution 'out of the equation'. But that is incredibly, incredibly sci-fi. Very far off in the distance; we don't actually even understood how our genetic information really works, yet, what most of our genes actually code for, not to mention the specifics of how the communication inside our cells goes on.

I was being extremely speculative, as I agree, this is a long ways off, but what are the potential consequences of being able to modify genetic mutations at will? Would make a very good sci-fi story, wouldn't it, exploring those questions?

I've always wondered, what would science fiction look like in a Star Trek universe?

272 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:52:59pm

re: #269 Obdicut

BTW, found a copy of The Cyberiad..now on the hunt for the sequel, which I read a long long time ago.

273 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:53:46pm

re: #260 Rightwingconspirator

May we find ourselves in the same Dojo someday, we'd have some great fun and trade some tricks.

I have a bias to where I spent most of that training time-Escrima. Inosanto La Cost style. There is a Philippine legend-That Lapu Lapu faced down Magellan personally and defeated him one on one. Albeit two swords vs one. Philippine vs Spanish sword styles.

The one I have not even come close to using well is the Sword and Daggger or espada i daga. Very difficult style to work into.

The well evolved sword schools got that way from very intense selective processes.

Eventually, any holy war about what is better marks someone as either an idiot (usually the case) or someone with very specialized knowledge talking about a specific set of circumstances.

It comes down to what style appeals to you and your temperament coupled with your body type.

At the high levels it is not about the blade, it is about the skill involved. I like to remind folks that Musashi spent the last half of his life beating down samurai challengers with a carved wooden oar.

274 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:54:38pm

re: #270 Rightwingconspirator

Indeed.

What impresses me about the wudang style is its mixture of deflection and explosion. That is the part which is very Spanish.

275 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:54:54pm

re: #271 PT Barnum

I was being extremely speculative, as I agree, this is a long ways off, but what are the potential consequences of being able to modify genetic mutations at will?

Well, it'd mean that we were so advanced that, really, dicking around with our own DNA would be a pretty trivial deal.

Would make a very good sci-fi story, wouldn't it, exploring those questions?

Ian M. Banks explores it a lot in his Culture series of novels. I recommend them.

276 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:56:00pm

re: #267 Decatur Deb

What does a paleontologist say when his buddy finds a bone?

"If it still stinks, give it to the ethnographer".

Brilliant!

277 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:57:47pm

re: #260 Rightwingconspirator

May we find ourselves in the same Dojo someday, we'd have some great fun and trade some tricks.

I have a bias to where I spent most of that training time-Escrima. Inosanto La Cost style. There is a Philippine legend-That Lapu Lapu faced down Magellan personally and defeated him one on one. Albeit two swords vs one. Philippine vs Spanish sword styles.

The one I have not even come close to using well is the Sword and Daggger or espada i daga. Very difficult style to work into.

I spent some time learning rapier and dagger... It would be cool. I should warn you, I am a lefty ;)

278 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:59:23pm

re: #240 brownbagj

Ah, humans won't keep evolving. We pretty much have mastered the art of killing whatever is different than "us."

Sorry, but that's just wrong. As long as there are differences in our environments and such things as viruses and bacteria, we'll continue to evolve. If we populate the moon, mars and the moons of the gas giants, the differences will show up relatively quickly.

The large size of our population, and the ease with which we spread our genes, will slow the process down somewhat, but it certainly will not end it.

279 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:02:12pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist

I remember when the 'Ardi' fossil was getting a lot of press, someone over at Hot Air huffed, "Well, I'll believe it when they show us THE MISSING LINK. Where's the fossil halfway between human and ape?"

Someone else commented, "Have you seen the picture of this one? It looks about like that to me."

He was disregarded.

Of course he was. Some ways of thinking encourage hunkering down in denial and looking for evil in the messenger when confronted with information counter to closely held beliefs, rather than acceptance of that information at face value.

280 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:04:33pm

Obdi, this is cool. I hadn't linked to it, because I have seen a bunch of differing reports, but more evidence of carbon nano fibers in Damascus blades has shown up.

[Link: steelguru.com...]

[Link: www.nature.com...]

281 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:04:34pm

re: #273 LudwigVanQuixote

The Red Baron is aptly quoted, "It's not the crate (airplane) it's the man." Bruce Lee echoed the sentiment in word and deed. Quite correct Ludwig. Timelessly so.

re: #277 LudwigVanQuixote

Heh, thanks for the warning. Empty hand & pistol I'm a switch hitter, with long weapons not so much. Rapier and dagger? I'm a novice. I'm sure I'd be the one learning.

282 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:05:58pm

re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm trying to give them the basics. I could do more if I actually taught science, but, well, that's someone else. They did really like being told that they might be someone's weird-looking ancestors with funny skulls.

When you talk of cave men, are you speaking of Homo neaderthalensis, or Homo sapiens?

283 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:06:32pm

re: #281 Rightwingconspirator

The Red Baron is aptly quoted, "It's not the crate (airplane) it's the man." Bruce Lee echoed the sentiment in word and deed. Quite correct Ludwig. Timelessly so.

re: #277 LudwigVanQuixote

Heh, thanks for the warning. Empty hand & pistol I'm a switch hitter, with long weapons not so much. Rapier and dagger? I'm a novice. I'm sure I'd be the one learning.

I'm not so sure, escrima is some wicked nasty stuff.

If it really came to it, I would be best with a dueling saber.

284 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:18:08pm

re: #280 LudwigVanQuixote

I would suggest you check out an older Scientific American on the modern recurrence of true Damascus. Sorry a guest just arrived I can not dig up the link.

BBL

285 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:18:28pm

re: #266 PT Barnum

To what extent will genetic engineering take the whole evolutionary question out of the equation once we are able to induce useful mutations at will?

'Macro mutations' are rather a difficult proposition. The way we change is quite complex and has a big portion of it in the development environment. A given trait can be controlled by several different genes (an allele) and non-gene control sequences (silencers, enhancers, etc.), and those genes can also contribute to other traits. If it was simply a matter of one gene - one trait, then your suggestion would be easier.

286 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:20:44pm

re: #281 Rightwingconspirator

The Red Baron is aptly quoted, "It's not the crate (airplane) it's the man." Bruce Lee echoed the sentiment in word and deed. Quite correct Ludwig. Timelessly so.

And a Junker would know, too. That was part of the philosophy underlying the Prussian military aristocracy from which the Richthofen family came: That they could overcome the greater numbers of Germany's enemies through superior skill.

287 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:34:15pm

re: #264 PT Barnum

I was an anthropology/religion major in college.

What does an anthropology/religion major say to a business major after graduation?

Do you want fries with that?

c.f. Comp Sci major after circa 2002.

288 Mentis Fugit  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:47:23pm

re: #90 ralphieboy

You mean God made man, but he used a monkey to do it?


Are we not men?

289 avanti  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:45:37pm

Pam is unhappy:


"How afraid they are of one little Jewish bigmouth with a blog in New Jack City"

UPDATE: Christine O'Donnell has caved to Salon. No, this is not satire. She actually removed my endorsement from her endorsement page. That took, what? Five minutes? Unbelievable, caving to the crazies at Salon whose currency is destroying voices of reason. It is a pity that a "maverick" and "outsider" would lack any spine and exhibit such incredible political cowardice. ENDORSEMENT WITHDRAWN. It's a shame that this is the quality of people we have representing us against the Obama machine. How can we win? "

290 yasharki  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:50:35pm

Gentlemen, I've been thinking about this whole ignoramus phenomenon, GB being one of the best examples. Methinks, not him, nor any other freakazoids actually believe in what they're saying, I think they're just show men, better yet business men, riding this ignorance wave all the way to the bank. Glenn, Sarah, etc. are just cashing in. In a big multi-million dollar kinda way. They cannot possibly have an opinion on topics they discuss/present since they're completely ignorant of the subjects. However, they're smart enough to say what some crowds, and certain media outlets want to hear, so much so that they make millions pleasing (or sometimes poisoning) ignorant ears.

Don't you think that by paying any attention to these people we advertise them in a way? They're entertainers, and should be treated as such (imho).

291 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:21:38pm

re: #4 jordash1212

Sometimes I swear there are people with faces that resemble horses.

Hey, don't make fun of John Elway.

Beck's face doesn't resemble a horse. At least, not the horse's front end.

292 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:34:08pm

re: #122 ralphieboy

I own it and will sell it to you. Just leave $5,000 in unmarked bills behind the third stall of the men's room station at the Shell Station on the I-65 truckstop near Shelbyville, IN, and I will put the domain in your name...

Shelbyville isn't on I-65. It's near I-74 between Cincinnati and Indianapolis. If you're going to try to fleece someone, at least give them good directions to the drop point.

293 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:50:04pm

re: #288 Mentis Fugit

Are we not men?

We are Devo!

294 Mark Winter  Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:45:17pm

re: #283 LudwigVanQuixote

Hi Ludwig

Just wanted to say hello, after a long break.

295 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 12:19:00pm

re: #294 Mark Winter

Hi Ludwig

Just wanted to say hello, after a long break.

Hi!

296 ihateronpaul  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 7:47:06am

glenn, YOU are the half-monkey, half-human!

297 ihateronpaul  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 8:03:44am

alex jones claims glenn beck has people in his staff that follow his (jones's) every word, feeding wacked-out talking points to beck, who "scrubs" them of 9/11 truther stuff, anti-war stuff, and so on and so on.

I don't doubt jones.

Just look at what beck has cribbed from him:

1. Fema Camps
2. Anti-Vaccine Hysteria
3. one-world government fears (jones has arguably done more than anyone else in the new millennium to promote this conspiracy theory)
4. The idea that the government should (almost) NEVER intervene in a family situation

Jones is so big, it's impossible for beck to ignore him.

Both of those motherfuckers are severely damaging this nations critical thinking ability.

298 budda10000  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 8:43:22pm

Both of those motherfuckers make it easier for me to get into graduate school.


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