NPR’s CEO Vivian Schiller on Juan Williams Firing

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Rodney Ho happened to be scheduled to interview NPR CEO Vivian Schiller today, and got her first statements on the record about the firing of Juan Williams: First interview with NPR CEO Vivian Schiller on Juan Williams firing.

Schiller says that Williams’s statements on Bill O’Reilly’s show were just the latest in a long line of questionable incidents.

Q: So did Juan really get fired over just those Muslim comments? [He said he was uncomfortable with Muslims dressed in traditional garb on airplanes during a Fox News telecast yesterday.]

A: There have been several instances over the last couple of years where we have felt Juan has stepped over the line. He famously said last year something about Michelle Obama and Stokely Carmichael. [The quote on Fox News early last year: “Michelle Obama, you know, she’s got this Stokely Carmichael in a designer dress thing going” and that she’ll be an “albatross” for President Obama.]. This isn’t a case of one strike and you’re out.

Q: So this is obviously not an isolated incident.

A: There’s so much misinformation on the blogosphere, it’s nuts. This has been an on-going issue. [Here’s NPR’s ombudsman’s piece on him last year after the Obama comment.] When he does that, when anybody does that, it undermines their credibility as a journalist or in Juan’s case, a news analyst for NPR. Those two things cannot go together.

And as Sarah Palin and practically the entire right wing blogosphere scream that the federal government should revoke NPR’s funding over this, here’s an interesting bit of information: NPR receives only one to three percent of its funding from the feds.

Q: Could NPR live without federal funding?

A: Let’s go on a sidebar. There’s a misperception about federal funding and public radio. There’s the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. They receive $90 million a year and a vast majority goes to member public radio stations. Those stations pull in more than $1 billion collectively a year. It’s significant and important but not even close to the lion’s share of revenues for public radio. NPR gets no allocation from CPB. Zero. We are a private 501(c)3. We’ve had journalists call up and ask what department of the government we report to.  That’s laughable. Have you listened to our shows? We do apply for competitive grants from  the likes of the Ford Foundation and the Knight Foundation. As a result, some money from CPB does come to us when we win grants. Depending on the year, it represents just one to three percent of our total budget.

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320 comments
1 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 12:51:43pm

If there is one good thing that might come out of this, it's a spreading of the knowledge that NPR only gets 1-3% of its funding from the federal government.

I can hope, anyway.

2 Summer Seale  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 12:55:15pm

Obama's tweet should read:

@SarahPalinUSA Last I checked, you didn't even think I'm American, let alone a real President. Go ask somebody who gives a fuck.

3 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 12:57:38pm

Palin's just being her usual troll self. And to me she has no authority at all to speak on speech issues after she demanded Rahm Emanuel resign for something he said in private.

4 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 12:58:16pm
Shirley Not Again
The left is doing to Juan Williams what the right did to Shirley Sherrod.
By William Saletan

Didn't need to read it. Magical Balance Fairy is working hard today.

5 gehazi  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 12:59:26pm

Thanks, will read this later.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled arguments that will be repeated verbatim from the last two threads.

6 recusancy  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:00:15pm

re: #4 wrenchwench

Didn't need to read it. Magical Balance Fairy is working hard today.

He's an idiot Bell Curver if I'm not mistaken.

7 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:00:16pm

AFAIK, none of the airplane terrorists were wearing "traditional Muslim garb" when they committed their acts of terrorism.

9/11 hijackers: no
Richard Reid: nope
Detroit underpants bomber: not

8 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:02:00pm

re: #6 recusancy

He's an idiot Bell Curver if I'm not mistaken.

Thanks for reminding me. I read some of his garbage in which he backed himself into a corner and didn't like being there, but wouldn't take back what he'd said. It was a four part piece on race.

9 Kragar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:03:27pm

re: #7 Alouette

AFAIK, none of the airplane terrorists were wearing "traditional Muslim garb" when they committed their acts of terrorism.

9/11 hijackers: no
Richard Reid: nope
Detroit underpants bomber: not

Seems like it would be counter-productive to draw attention to oneself in such a manner.

10 JRCMYP  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:06:26pm

Reminds me that I need to fork over my annual donation to NPR before the end of the year. Thanks Sarah!

11 recusancy  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:06:30pm

re: #7 Alouette

AFAIK, none of the airplane terrorists were wearing "traditional Muslim garb" when they committed their acts of terrorism.

9/11 hijackers: no
Richard Reid: nope
Detroit underpants bomber: not

All they see are the b reel footage every news org uses of al quaeda on the jungle bars.

12 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:09:23pm

re: #7 Alouette

AFAIK, none of the airplane terrorists were wearing "traditional Muslim garb" when they committed their acts of terrorism.

9/11 hijackers: no
Richard Reid: nope
Detroit underpants bomber: not

Of course. I really don't know enough about the incident to say whether NPR was right or not but it was a stupid comment to say the least. And it would be nice if Palin and Huckabee who are spearheading the charge against NPR would acknowledge that but they won't of course.

13 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:10:36pm

re: #1 Obdicut

If there is one good thing that might come out of this, it's a spreading of the knowledge that NPR only gets 1-3% of its funding from the federal government.

I can hope, anyway.

That 1-3% isn't entirely true. CPB is funded by the government. Other funds come from the state or local level and universities. I'd like to know the real percentage of our money that goes to NPR.

14 recusancy  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:12:05pm

re: #13 joest73

That 1-3% isn't entirely true. CPB is funded by the government. Other funds come from the state or local level and universities. I'd like to know the real percentage of our money that goes to NPR.

NPR gets no allocation from CPB

15 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:12:37pm

Juan Williams clarifies -- without clarifying

Juan Williams, on Fox News this afternoon, hit back at NPR for firing him over his claim that he gets "worried" and "nervous" when he sees people in Muslim garb:

WILLIAMS: Wednesday afternoon, I got a message on my cell phone from Ellen Weiss, who is the head of news at NPR, asking me to call. When I called back, she said, "What did you say, what did you mean to say?"

And I said, "I said what I meant to say, which is that it's an honest experience that went on in an airport and I see people who are in Muslim garb who identify themselves as first and foremost as Muslims, I do a double take. I have a moment of anxiety or fear given what happened on 9/11. That's just a reality." And she went on to say, "Well that crosses the line." And I said, "What line is that?"

And she went on to somehow suggest that I had made a bigoted statement. And I said, "that's not a bigoted statement. In fact, in the course of this conversation with Bill O'Reilly, I said that we have as Americans an obligation to protect constitutional rights of everyone in the country and to make sure we don't have any outbreak of bigotry but that there's a reality."

You cannot ignore what happened on 9/11 and you cannot ignore the connection to Islamic radicalism and you can't ignore the fact that what has been recently said in court with regard to this is the first drop of blood in a Muslim war on America.

[...]

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

16 gehazi  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:14:05pm

re: #15 CuriousLurker

Awesome apology, dude.

17 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:15:00pm

re: #13 joest73

Can you not read?

NPR gets no allocation from CPB. Zero.

18 JRCMYP  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:15:52pm

re: #13 joest73

They have a report on their website. NPR Funding Story

19 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:17:14pm

re: #16 gehazi

Awesome apology, dude.

I don't get the last reference:

You cannot ignore what happened on 9/11 and you cannot ignore the connection to Islamic radicalism and you can't ignore the fact that what has been recently said in court with regard to this is the first drop of blood in a Muslim war on America.

Do you know what he meant by that?

20 Stanghazi  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:18:16pm

re: #19 CuriousLurker

I don't get the last reference:


Do you know what he meant by that?

I think that quote is attributed to the Time Square failed bomber.

21 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:19:43pm

re: #18 JRCMYP

Wow. So even the individual public radio stations only get funded at about 16% by the federal and state governments.

You'd think conservatives would be championing NPR and its member stations for how little reliance they have on the Federal government.

22 gehazi  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:20:00pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

I think that quote is attributed to the Time Square failed bomber.

I just looked it up; yes. Although I can't find any reference other than to Williams's own comments.

23 3eff Jeff  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:20:15pm

re: #16 gehazi

Awesome apology, dude.

Yeah, what about that suggestion from the last thread about apology school for talking heads?

24 recusancy  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:20:17pm

re: #19 CuriousLurker

I don't get the last reference:

Do you know what he meant by that?

He's just another one feeding into Bin Laden's wishes of a holy war against the U.S.

25 JRCMYP  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:20:24pm

re: #17 Obdicut

Can you not read?

They receive government grants either directly or indirectly from the CPB. You can actually see their 990 filings. They are public. Go to the story I linked above.

26 gehazi  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:20:50pm

re: #23 3eff Jeff

If only.

27 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:20:58pm

Cashing in:

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Fox News Chief Executive Roger Ailes handed Williams a new three-year contract Thursday morning, in a deal that amounts to nearly $2 million, a considerable bump up from his previous salary, the Tribune Washington Bureau has learned. The Fox News contributor will now appear exclusively and more frequently on the cable news network and have a regular column on FoxNews.com.

28 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:22:13pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

I think that quote is attributed to the Time Square failed bomber.

Thanks, Sea. In light of these new comments, I'm beginning to lean the other way about his firing... a "Muslim war on America"? WTF?

29 iossarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:22:57pm

re: #13 joest73

That 1-3% isn't entirely true. CPB is funded by the government. Other funds come from the state or local level and universities. I'd like to know the real percentage of our money that goes to NPR.

I've mentioned before that I work for a higher education institution - it's not exactly my area but I would be very surprised if state funding went to something like a university radio station. That kind of activity is usually funded separately, for exactly the reasons you would think.

Different places probably handle it in various ways, but I imagine something like a non-compulsory media fee for students probably pays for it in a lot of cases.

Incidentally, my university's radio station claims that it receives its funding from the following four sources:

- CPB
- Listener contributions
- Advertising/on-air sponsors
- University funding (which, as I've already mentioned, is very unlikely to come from a state source)

30 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:23:26pm

re: #27 Obdicut

Cashing in:

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

That sure looks like rewarding the brave anti-PC guy. I mean that in the worst way.

31 recusancy  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:23:47pm

re: #27 Obdicut

Cashing in:

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

It's a trophy over there. I'm sure Mara is quickly thinking about ways of getting fired now too. As long as she doesn't offend white christians she'll be good as gold.

32 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:24:32pm

re: #27 Obdicut

Cashing in:

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Part of our culture. Say or do something stupid and you can laugh all the way to the bank.

33 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:24:51pm

re: #27 Obdicut

Cashing in:

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Why shouldn't he?

34 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:25:39pm

re: #33 researchok

Why shouldn't he?

How about, "Why shouldn't Fox?"

35 iossarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:26:11pm

re: #33 researchok

Why shouldn't he?

Why shouldn't he make a bigoted statement and be rewarded with a fat paycheck from a right-wing propaganda outlet?

Beats me too.

36 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:26:28pm

re: #7 Alouette

No, they did all that they could to fit in with the passengers. That's why everyone goes through the hassle of being TSA-searched/screened, because the terrorists aren't wearing signs that say - "Hello, I'm a terrorist."

What people have to be on the lookout for is suspicious behavior - not the person's appearance per se (like wearing a winter coat in the summer).

37 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:26:48pm

re: #33 researchok

Why shouldn't he work for Fox News?

Because Fox news is a terrible propaganda source, putting out huge amounts of disinformation, lies, and distortions.

38 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:28:40pm

Joe Williams and Rand Paul are happy for the distraction, I'm sure.

39 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:29:07pm

re: #38 negativ

Joe Williams and Rand Paul are happy for the distraction, I'm sure.

Wilson, you idiot.

40 iossarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:29:40pm

Juan defends himself in interview with Fox (from the LA Times piece):

..."and you can't ignore the fact of what has even recently been said in court with regard to this is the first drop of blood in a Muslim war in America."

Juan Williams, Not A Bigot.

41 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:30:41pm

re: #40 iossarian

Juan defends himself in interview with Fox (from the LA Times piece):

Juan Williams, Not A Bigot.

Since he's not a bigot, and since he is a smart guy, I wonder why he made himself sound like a bigot.

42 allegro  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:31:11pm

Wow, they sure negotiated that package in a jiffy. Just 2 days ago, a surprisingly honest comment by this fine man - that just so happened to take a bit o' heat off of O'Reilly's latest Muslim hate talk, gets his ass busted and fired by the librul state-sponsored NPR. Makes him at once a martyr to his own disloyal PC-loving party and a new darling of the right-tards who feel vindicated by a "finally one of them libruls has seen the Truth"! $2 million in two days - great work!

43 iossarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:31:13pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

Since he's not a bigot, and since he is a smart guy, I wonder why he made himself sound like a bigot.

He's messing with us. In a few days time, all will be revealed!

Or not.

44 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:31:20pm

re: #39 negativ

Wilson, you idiot.

Aqua Buddha!

45 MinisterO  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:31:31pm

Was Shirley Sherrod offered a multimillion dollar contract less than 24 hours after she was fired?

46 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:31:56pm

re: #36 lawhawk

the terrorists aren't wearing signs that say - "Hello, I'm a terrorist."

i have talked to a lot of people who, it seems, would be surprised to find this out - like the people who defend the "patriot" act because they think the government is only tapping the phones and reading the email of terrorists

47 iossarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:32:08pm

re: #42 allegro

Wow, they sure negotiated that package in a jiffy. Just 2 days ago, a surprisingly honest comment by this fine man - that just so happened to take a bit o' heat off of O'Reilly's latest Muslim hate talk, gets his ass busted and fired by the librul state-sponsored NPR. Makes him at once a martyr to his own disloyal PC-loving party and a new darling of the right-tards who feel vindicated by a "finally one of them libruls has seen the Truth"! $2 million in two days - great work!

Wasn't someone in the last thread making a quip about "it takes 24 hours to set up the direct payment"?

It's all just so convenient.

48 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:32:57pm

re: #22 gehazi

It definitely looks like Williams said it in reference to Faisal Shahzad's statements made during his sentencing. The problem is that Shahzad didn't mention blood in his statement.

The closest he comes is on page 3: "Consider me only a first droplet of the flood that will follow me. And only this time it's not imperial Japan or Germany, Vietnam or Russian communism. This time it's the war against people who believe in the book of Allah and follow the commandments, so this is a war against Allah. So let's see how you can defeat your Creator, which you can never do. Therefore, the defeat of U.S. is imminent and will happen in the near future, inshallah, which will only give rise to much awaited Muslim caliphate, which is the only true universal world order."

49 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:33:12pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

Since he's not a bigot, and since he is a smart guy, I wonder why he made himself sound like a bigot.

It's apparently a growth industry, and one part of the business is explaining why it's 'only natural.'

50 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:33:14pm

re: #37 Obdicut

Why shouldn't he work for Fox News?

Because Fox news is a terrible propaganda source, putting out huge amounts of disinformation, lies, and distortions.

But really, where else could Williams work after this? Rather, Fox is the network that picks up fools like this. Nobody should be supprised.

51 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:34:27pm

re: #40 iossarian

Juan defends himself in interview with Fox (from the LA Times piece):

Juan Williams, Not A Bigot.

Wow! Juan Williams managed to score an interview on Fox! What are the odds of that?

52 recusancy  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:34:57pm

re: #50 Surabaya Stew

But really, where else could Williams work after this? Rather, Fox is the network that picks up fools like this. Nobody should be supprised.

Well CNN did hire Erickson.

53 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:35:35pm

I'm bringing this up from below....

re: #200 researchok

Yes, asked and answered.

By the way, Whoopi Goldberg also criticizes Williams firing.

And as we all know, she is no O'Reilly fan.

Whoopi Goldberg defended that POS Roman Polanski...

54 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:35:49pm

re: #52 recusancy

Well CNN did hire Erickson.


damn those liberal lamestream media types!

55 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:36:11pm

re: #52 recusancy

Well CNN did hire Erickson.

and Lou Dobbs.

56 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:36:21pm

re: #49 jaunte

It's apparently a growth industry, and one part of the business is explaining why it's 'only natural.'

Of course! I'm not as smart as Juan Williams, or I'd be able to profit from sounding like a bigot too.

57 iossarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:36:52pm

re: #48 lawhawk

It definitely looks like Williams said it in reference to Faisal Shahzad's statements made during his sentencing. The problem is that Shahzad didn't mention blood in his statement.

Besides, since when is it a Fox-approved tactic to quote terrorists as being authoritative sources of information?

I mean, this is like saying, Fred Phelps says Christians are going to rise up and kill unbelievers, therefore Christians are going to rise up and kill unbelievers.

But of course, no one will ever be able to explain this to the dittoheads.

58 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:37:02pm

re: #52 recusancy

Well CNN did hire Erickson.

Yes, but Williams did not call anyone a goat fucker so.....

59 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:37:59pm

re: #45 MinisterO
No need for a contract... she'll be filing a multi-million dollar lawsuit instead.
I'm sure she's had plenty of employment offers, but co-authoring a book 's practically a full-time job.

60 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:39:52pm

re: #47 iossarian

Wasn't someone in the last thread making a quip about "it takes 24 hours to set up the direct payment"?

It's all just so convenient.

Tin-foil hat thinking.

George Soros just gave a $1.8 million grant to NPR.
Blame Soros for the firing.
/

61 insanity police  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:40:22pm

Juan's statements reveal some irrational feelings by him - being scared of all Muslims in airports. It is more irrational because a terrorist is not going to wear a burka on a plane; they will try to blend in with everyone else.

62 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:43:01pm

re: #61 insanity police

Juan's statements reveal some irrational feelings by him - being scared of all Muslims in airports. It is more irrational because a terrorist is not going to wear a burka on a plane; they will try to blend in with everyone else.

EXCELLENT point. This reality makes what Williams said exceptionally stupid.

63 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:43:36pm

They ought to get rid of Barbara Bradley Hagerty too, primarily on the grounds of being awful.

64 recusancy  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:44:09pm

re: #60 joest73

I was checking out your facebook page and your "likes" are the epitome of right wing crazy. Wow.

65 MinisterO  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:44:09pm

re: #59 tradewind

No need for a contract... she'll be filing a multi-million dollar lawsuit instead.
I'm sure she's had plenty of employment offers, but co-authoring a book 's practically a full-time job.

You think Juan's not going to sue? Or that he won't write a book?

Obviously you recognize my intent. FOX and the right have their shit together. They take care of their own. The lamestream media and the left don't.

66 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:44:17pm

re: #52 recusancy

Well CNN did hire Erickson.

Good point. IMHO, that was to provide Magical Balance Fairy for CNN, so that they can say "look everyone, we're bi-partisian and totally fair"! In that vein of thinking, perhaps Williams provides similar cover to Fox, because he's nowhere near as nuts as most commentators. Though I imagine with time, hell be frothing at the mouth like Beck and Bill....

67 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:44:56pm

re: #28 CuriousLurker

Thanks, Sea. In light of these new comments, I'm beginning to lean the other way about his firing... a "Muslim war on America"? WTF?

That's the line that put me on NPR's side. Bad craziness.

68 recusancy  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:44:56pm

re: #66 Surabaya Stew

Good point. IMHO, that was to provide Magical Balance Fairy for CNN, so that they can say "look everyone, we're bi-partisian and totally fair"! In that vein of thinking, perhaps Williams provides similar cover to Fox, because he's nowhere near as nuts as most commentators. Though I imagine with time, hell be frothing at the mouth like Beck and Bill...

So CNN is a liberal propaganda network?

69 acacia  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:45:00pm

The whole funding issue is interesting. Apparently the CPB, which is publicly funded, gives almost all of its money to the local public broadcasting stations. They in turn are dependent upon NPR for the lion share of the product. NPR wouldn't exist if not for the local public broadcasting stations. If that's the case, it seems a little disingenuous to imply that the government isn't supplying funding to NPR simply because it doesn't get the money directly. Am I missing something? Can anyone give me clarity on what "public broadcasting" is all about?

70 iossarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:46:10pm

re: #68 recusancy

So CNN is a liberal propaganda network?

Seriously. They, like, check facts and everything. Unheard of liberal bias.

/

71 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:46:11pm

re: #50 Surabaya Stew
Where could he work?
Practically anywhere but NPR.
When the archives of its broadcasts are combed for past statements made by commentators re say, Israel, religious groups, etc, it's going to be interesting to see the double standard at work.

72 Stanghazi  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:46:36pm

I guess I'm amazed that we are now quoting terrorists statements as truth. And adding the word blood to them to make it even more scarier.

Fear sells.

73 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:47:32pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

I guess I'm amazed that we are now quoting terrorists statements as truth. And adding the word blood to them to make it even more scarier.

Fear sells.

That's it! Williams is promoting Colbert's rally!

74 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:48:03pm

re: #69 acacia

Did you read the funding report that was posted above? The member stations themselves only get about 16% of their money from government sources.

75 recusancy  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:48:34pm

re: #70 iossarian

Seriously. They, like, check facts and everything. Unheard of liberal bias.

/


CNN's an awful mess but their definitely not liberal.

76 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:48:57pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

I'm sure he'll admit the mistake and apologize for changing the quote any minute now.
/

77 iossarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:49:29pm

re: #74 Obdicut

Did you read the funding report that was posted above? The member stations themselves only get about 16% of their money from government sources.

Plus these stations generally provide various public services (such as, but not limited to, storm warnings and school closure information). They are a separate issue from NPR.

78 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:54:10pm

re: #65 MinisterO
If Juan has a cause of action, I hope he does sue, but I have a feeling he will take a higher ( and more lucrative) road.
There are countries in Europe where you can be sent to jail for speech that's deemed offensive to Muslims. No doubt CAIR has the patience for a long con to move us in that direction.

79 Flounder  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:54:15pm

I for one don't lock my doors when traveling through blighted neighborhoods.

80 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:54:23pm

re: #64 recusancy

I was checking out your facebook page and your "likes" are the epitome of right wing crazy. Wow.

I don't hide my idenity. I have been using this ID since college. Glad you felt the need to find me.

81 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:54:29pm

re: #74 Obdicut

Then they shouldn't miss it.

82 iossarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:55:17pm

re: #78 tradewind

Do you think Germany has been right or wrong to make Holocaust denial illegal for the past 50-odd years?

83 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:55:42pm

re: #82 iossarian

I think they've been wrong to do so, personally.

84 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:56:33pm

re: #68 recusancy

So CNN is a liberal propaganda network?


No, they're into big money and the power of corperations like all the others. They and MSNBC at least pretend be for the little guy, unlike the Murdoch controled network.

85 iossarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:56:47pm

re: #83 Obdicut

Fair enough (though I disagree - I think this is an instance where you trade off one freedom against another).

86 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:58:11pm

re: #83 Obdicut

I think they've been wrong to do so, personally.

Me too actually. I think if you allow the David Irvings of the world to speak their twisted words then you allow people to see just how screwed up their worldviews are.

87 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:58:32pm

re: #75 recusancy
CNN's niche is live, on-scene breaking news writ large. No network does it better.
Its opinion attempts are pathetic, no matter your political affiliation. The suits should make the decision to go back to the roots and be the best at live news coverage, period.

88 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:00:22pm

re: #82 iossarian
Holocaust denial is vile, no doubt. But speech? Ideas?
I don't believe any speech other than the ' fire-in-a-crowded theater ' variety should be illegal.
And neither did the founders.

89 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:00:46pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

I guess I'm amazed that we are now quoting terrorists statements as truth. And adding the word blood to them to make it even more scarier.

Fear sells.

Yeah, well, y'know it's probably Muslims' fault that happens—we don't speak up often enough or loudly enough when some nutjob jihadi start spewing fanatical tripe, ergo we must all be in agreement with him. /

90 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:01:05pm

re: #87 tradewind

CNN's niche is live, on-scene breaking news writ large. No network does it better.
Its opinion attempts are pathetic, no matter your political affiliation. The suits should make the decision to go back to the roots and be the best at live news coverage, period.

What does CNN do then when a Big story isn't breaking. I agree that it is still the place to go for breaking news but you can't fill 24 hours with breaking news.

91 iossarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:01:18pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Me too actually. I think if you allow the David Irvings of the world to speak their twisted words then you allow people to see just how screwed up their worldviews are.

I think this is true in a society that is strong enough to counteract that kind of speech. I think that post-war Germany was not known to be such a society (with hindsight it might be possible to take a different view).

I also think that the normative value of the law played a significant role in allowing Germany to retake a "normal" position in the world.

92 iossarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:02:14pm

re: #88 tradewind

Holocaust denial is vile, no doubt. But speech? Ideas?
I don't believe any speech other than the ' fire-in-a-crowded theater ' variety should be illegal.
And neither did the founders.

And, as we all know, anything the founders said or thought will be 100% true for all time, black and white, no shades of gray allowed.

93 rwmofo  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:02:24pm

Knowing the "for the record" reason NPR dumped Juan Williams (not a right-winger by any definition), just imagine how intolerant they are of anyone who is known for having conservative opinions.

94 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:02:51pm

re: #91 iossarian

Disallowing it for a period of time, sure. But I think these days it just creates power for those claiming a coverup.

95 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:03:39pm

re: #93 rwmofo

What are you talking about?

Surely you're not saying that what Williams expressed is a conservative opinion, are you?

96 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:03:40pm

re: #91 iossarian

I think this is true in a society that is strong enough to counteract that kind of speech. I think that post-war Germany was not known to be such a society (with hindsight it might be possible to take a different view).

I also think that the normative value of the law played a significant role in allowing Germany to retake a "normal" position in the world.

You do have a point there. OT but having visited Dachau in Germany, it utterly amazes me how anyone can deny what happened.

97 iossarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:04:02pm

re: #94 Obdicut

Disallowing it for a period of time, sure. But I think these days it just creates power for those claiming a coverup.

This may well be the case. I was more talking about the years 1945-2000.

98 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:06:00pm

I don't understand how you can look at a Muslim in full religious garb and be afraid. The terrorists work and train hard to blend in.

Like my minority friends tell me, it isn't the guys wearing hoods and sheets we are afraid of, it is the ones we can't differentiate from everyone else that we are afraid of.

99 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:07:41pm

re: #37 Obdicut

Why shouldn't he work for Fox News?

Because Fox news is a terrible propaganda source, putting out huge amounts of disinformation, lies, and distortions.

If Williams is already a bigot, why should it matter?

Unless of course, he is not really a bigot.

100 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:07:59pm

re: #90 joest73
There's always a breaking story somewhere.
They could fill in the space with nature programming.//
Only half kidding. It'd be great......

101 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:09:47pm

re: #37 Obdicut
Judging by performance, they're a really good propaganda organization.
Or something.

102 Lidane  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:09:59pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Palin's just being her usual troll self. And to me she has no authority at all to speak on the issues after she resigned before even finishing her first term in office.

FTFY. ;)

Palin is a pathetic joke, and a poor excuse for a political figure. I'll never understand why anyone takes Caribou Barbie seriously, especially after the past two years.

103 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:10:16pm

Jesus christ the man still has his first amendment rights to spout whatever idiocy he wants, but as a journalist you have no right to promote xenophobi based on completely faulty and ignorant theories (not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims). How could a company that emphasizes journalistic accuracy NOT do anything? And this wasn't even the first time! reading half the comments on CNN from this story openly state as fact that what he said is accurate and okay.

104 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:10:20pm

re: #100 tradewind

There's always a breaking story somewhere.
They could fill in the space with nature programming.//
Only half kidding. It'd be great...

Correct. CNN has a whole world full of idiotic humans to find "breaking stories."

The sheer volume of stupid stuff could fill 25 CNNs.

105 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:10:50pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

I guess I'm amazed that we are now quoting terrorists statements as truth. And adding the word blood to them to make it even more scarier.

Fear sells.

Now Williams is going to get $2 million from Fox.

106 iossarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:11:01pm

re: #99 researchok

If Williams is already a bigot, why should it matter?

Unless of course, he is not really a bigot.

I think the point being made is: people should not, in general, work for organizations that produce propaganda, whether they be bigots (and thus in their natural habitat) or not (and thus merely opportunists).

TTFN!

107 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:11:34pm

re: #93 rwmofo

Knowing the "for the record" reason NPR dumped Juan Williams (not a right-winger by any definition), just imagine how intolerant they are of anyone who is known for having conservative opinions.

*gasp*
Maybe they just don't fucking hire them?

BTW, kiddies we now know how to make sweet cash on TV.
Call people goat fuckers or make remarks that are kind of bigoted and you too can get a job on CNN or FOX.

108 Lidane  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:11:44pm

re: #101 tradewind

Judging by performance, they're a really good propaganda organization.

Yep. They've managed to convince an entire segment of this country that they're a legitimate news source, and that the Tea Party is a grassroots effort.

109 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:11:52pm

re: #99 researchok

If Williams is already a bigot, why should it matter?

Unless of course, he is not really a bigot.

You appear to be unaware that I haven't ever called him a bigot.

You asked why he shouldn't take the job at Fox. I explained why he shouldn't-- because Fox is grossly irresponsible, and regularly pushes lies, disinformation, and bigoted opinion.

I really fail to see how your response makes any sense, in the light of what I've said.

110 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:13:59pm

Erikson, Kilmeade, Buchanan.

The question isn't why did NPR fired Juan Williams, the question is why hasn't CNN, Fox, and MSNBC fired those clowns?

111 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:14:03pm

re: #104 brownbagj

Correct. CNN has a whole world full of idiotic humans to find "breaking stories."

The sheer volume of stupid stuff could fill 25 CNNs.

But how many of those "breaking stories" will hold an audience?

112 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:14:29pm

re: #93 rwmofo
You'd have to imagine, all right. You're not going to find anywhere near to a balanced amount of conservative thought broadcast there.... certainly not in proportion to the mind of the country, which is at least split if not center-right.
But forget the nation: Squidward Says:
' You Can't Fool Me: I Listen To Public Radio!! '

113 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:15:12pm

re: #59 tradewind

No need for a contract... she'll be filing a multi-million dollar lawsuit instead.
I'm sure she's had plenty of employment offers, but co-authoring a book 's practically a full-time job.

And well she deserves that multi-million dollars of Andrew Brietbart's money too!

Hell, just about anybody deserves it more than Brietbart....

114 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:16:06pm

re: #93 rwmofo

Knowing the "for the record" reason NPR dumped Juan Williams (not a right-winger by any definition), just imagine how intolerant they are of anyone who is known for having conservative opinions.

NPR is an actual news organization, not an opinion farm like Fox, MSNBC, CNN, etc... If you don't like objectivity, stick with your preferred network.

115 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:16:32pm

Dance of the Magical Balance Fairies!

116 Lidane  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:16:33pm

re: #98 brownbagj

Pretty much. I'm not scared of the KKK douche in full garb, or the overweight neo-Nazi fuckwit in an SS uniform. It's the seemingly normal looking guy who considers himself a "citizen [insert law enforcement agency here] officer" that scares me more, since that guy is more likely to shoot first and ask questions later.

117 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:16:46pm

re: #112 tradewind


You are aware that Republicans and people from right-wing think tanks make regular appearances on NPR, right?

118 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:17:10pm

re: #117 Obdicut

You are aware that Republicans and people from right-wing think tanks make regular appearances on NPR, right?

Obviously, tw is not aware.

119 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:17:34pm

re: #106 iossarian

I think the point being made is: people should not, in general, work for organizations that produce propaganda, whether they be bigots (and thus in their natural habitat) or not (and thus merely opportunists).

TTFN!

I suppose that is true. Certainly, FOX is imperfect.

That said, maybe Williams can contribute and make the place better.

Unless of course he has to undergo a purity test before being allowed to work there.

120 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:17:39pm

And the unholy subtext for me is how can the guy who wrote Eyes On The Prize utter such nonsense in front of a microphone.

Meh,

What the fuck America?

121 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:17:46pm

You know...all I know is it is a good day.

NPR got another donation from me.
Juan Williams will no longer be annoying me in my car or home.
Sarah Palin and a bunch of TeaGOP Party types proved again how stupid they are.
Juan Williams got to whine about being fired and then rewarded with a sweet 2 mil a year from Emperor Palpatine.

A good day for all.

122 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:17:48pm

re: #117 Obdicut

You are aware that Republicans and people from right-wing think tanks make regular appearances on NPR, right?

I bet you the planet Tradewind never, ever, ever, ever x infinity, listened to NPR.
;)

123 Lidane  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:18:04pm

re: #117 Obdicut

You are aware that Republicans and people from right-wing think tanks make regular appearances on NPR, right?

Pfft. Everyone knows that NPR are a bunch of bleeding heart liberals. Palin, Beck, and Limbaugh said so!

124 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:18:28pm

re: #117 Obdicut

You are aware that Republicans and people from right-wing think tanks make regular appearances on NPR, right?

I wonder what we can do to make David Brooks go away?

125 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:18:36pm

re: #119 researchok

I suppose that is true. Certainly, FOX is imperfect.

That said, maybe Williams can contribute and make the place better.

Unless of course he has to undergo a purity test before being allowed to work there.

What does it say about Fox when hiring a who announces loud and proud that he's afraid of Muslims on planes can make it a better network?

126 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:18:47pm

re: #102 Lidane

I'll never understand why anyone takes Caribou Barbie seriously,


Then you might want to attempt to understand, because there are serious liberal and Democrat politicians who absolutely do. Doesn't mean they agree with her.
Bill Clinton gets it. You might want to look up his thoughts on Palin (and no, I don't mean those thoughts).

127 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:18:54pm

re: #122 Varek Raith

I bet you the planet Tradewind never, ever, ever, ever x infinity, listened to NPR.
;)

For the record, neither have I.
I don't even listen to the radio, period.
Not my thing, I suppose.

128 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:18:56pm

re: #109 Obdicut

You appear to be unaware that I haven't ever called him a bigot.

You asked why he shouldn't take the job at Fox. I explained why he shouldn't-- because Fox is grossly irresponsible, and regularly pushes lies, disinformation, and bigoted opinion.

I really fail to see how your response makes any sense, in the light of what I've said.

If he isn't a bigot, what is it about him you find objectionable- his politic?

129 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:19:37pm

re: #105 jaunte

Now Williams is going to get $2 million from Fox.

He'll get his own show with Michael Steele, who will explain GOP positions and Juan will be the balance that says, "You have a good point there."

130 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:19:57pm

There are already two posts about his million dollar Fox deal.

It seems really obvious to me this was the plan from the start. Now he can start at Fox as a ready made "martyr" to liberal censorship. They are going to play this bit of manufactured theater up to the hilt.

131 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:20:37pm

re: #126 tradewind

Then you might want to attempt to understand, because there are serious liberal and Democrat politicians who absolutely do. Doesn't mean they agree with her.
Bill Clinton gets it. You might want to look up his thoughts on Palin (and no, I don't mean those thoughts).

I for one take her seriously.

Her continued popularity shows how seriously deranged the modern day GOP has become and so long as she is considered a star of the Right Wing, I wouldn't rtrst them with anything sharper than a spoon let alone controlling our economic and social future....

132 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:21:04pm

re: #129 darthstar

He'll get his own show with Michael Steele, who will explain GOP positions and Juan will be the balance that says, "You have a good point there."

You sir a.... Formidable Opponent!

133 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:21:29pm

re: #114 darthstar
NPR is a cabal of politically-correct ideologues, with hardly a diverse thought in the bunch.
Just saying.
Your Opinion May Vary.//

134 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:21:36pm

Maybe Juan is pushing a movie deal, "Muslims on a Plane!"

//

135 Lidane  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:21:41pm

re: #126 tradewind

As if I'd waste my time trying to find anything substantive about Palin. The woman couldn't even finish a single term as governor, resigning in a naked cash grab. She's not worth the effort to study her. I've got better things to do.

If political types want to take her seriously, that's their problem. To me, she's a joke and always will be.

136 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:21:46pm

re: #129 darthstar

He'll get his own show with Michael Steele, who will explain GOP positions and Juan will be the balance that says, "You have a good point there."

You're a Great American.

137 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:22:12pm

re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote
I knew beneath that mathlete exterior lurked the heart of a conspiracy theorist.//

138 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:22:15pm

re: #135 Lidane

As if I'd waste my time trying to find anything substantive about Palin. The woman couldn't even finish a single term as governor, resigning in a naked cash grab. She's not worth the effort to study her. I've got better things to do.

If political types want to take her seriously, that's their problem. To me, she's a joke and always will be.

Dontcha know!

139 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:22:51pm

re: #137 tradewind

I knew beneath that mathlete exterior lurked the heart of a conspiracy theorist.//

Oy, always with the fake sarc tags//

140 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:23:04pm

re: #126 tradewind

Clinton thinks she's strong in a 'fact-free' political environment.

141 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:23:27pm

re: #135 Lidane
That's like saying ' The man couldn't even finish an entire term as senator/governor/ ( insert office of choice ____), resigning in a naked Presidential power grab './/

142 Lidane  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:23:43pm

re: #131 jamesfirecat

I don't trust the modern GOP as far as I can throw them, but that's got nothing to do with Palin and everything to do with the way that people have allowed themselves to be manipulated into fearing everything around them. Oh, and the naked racism and ignorance being embraced by the right doesn't help either.

143 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:23:52pm

re: #139 Varek Raith
Nothing fake about those.

144 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:24:08pm

re: #141 tradewind

That's like saying ' The man couldn't even finish an entire term as senator/governor/ ( insert office of choice ___), resigning in a naked Presidential power grab './/

Here's the thing... at least they only resign after they've won election, rather than when they've lost...,.

145 Lidane  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:25:02pm

re: #141 tradewind

Uh, no. Try again.

146 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:25:15pm

re: #141 tradewind

That's like saying ' The man couldn't even finish an entire term as senator/governor/ ( insert office of choice ___), resigning in a naked Presidential power grab './/

I could be like that.
Except it's not....

147 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:25:21pm

re: #128 researchok

If he isn't a bigot, what is it about him you find objectionable- his politic?

What on earth is it with false dichotomies? Are the only reasons to dislike someone because they're a bigot or beacuse of their politics?

He is irresponsible. He slammed Michelle Obama as "Stokey Carmichael in a dress". Stokey Carmichael was a militant black seperatist socialist, an immigrant who went into self-imposed exile in Africa. He was such a seperatist he rejected any collaboration between the Black Panthers and white activists.

There is no point of comparison between Michelle Obama and Carmichael. It is a stupid, reprehesnsible, asinine comparison-- not to mention hideously and cavalierly insulting.

He didn't apologize for this, but instead used the weak-sauce "i'm sorry if anyone misinterpreted me and was offended" excuse. He didn't apologize to Michelle Obama. He defended his analysis of her as "Stokey Carmichale in a dress" as his informed point of view.

That alone is completely asinine.

And now, during a period of time when mosques are being attacked, when anti-Muslim bigotry is at a height, he not only clumsily tries to express an irrational fear of religiously observant Muslims, but completely fucks up a quote from a convicted terrorist and makes it appear that he endorses the idea that he thinks there is a war between Islam and the US coming.

That's not politics I'm objecting to. That's idiocy.

148 Lidane  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:26:02pm

re: #144 jamesfirecat

Here's the thing... at least they only resign after they've won election, rather than when they've lost...,.

Stop trying to make logical arguments. Don't you know that destroys the narrative?

149 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:26:57pm

re: #140 jaunte
That's one very selective thought. A few more:

In an interview given to ABC News this past week, former President Bill Clinton did what so many of his fellow Democrats are loathe to do: offer up strong praise for conservative Republican Sarah Palin.

Clinton stated that like himself, Palin has proven herself to be resilient, and that she also resonates strongly with her political base. He called the former Alaskan governor both “compelling and attractive”, while warning his fellow Democrats they would be wise not to underestimate her. “She’s tough.” Said Clinton.

150 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:27:23pm

re: #149 tradewind

“I do think she’s a resilient character. And we may be entering a sort of period in politics that’s sort of fact free, where the experience in government is a negative…I think she’s clearly a public figure who is, who speaks well and persuasively to the people who listen to her. And she’s somebody to be reckoned with. And she’s tough.”

151 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:27:38pm

re: #148 Lidane

Stop trying to make logical arguments. Don't you know that destroys the narrative?

Damn Acorn lost us Vietnam to the Muslims!

Wait...

152 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:28:10pm

Tough, resilient, inexperienced and fact free. What could go wrong?

153 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:28:22pm

re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote

There are already two posts about his million dollar Fox deal.

It seems really obvious to me this was the plan from the start. Now he can start at Fox as a ready made "martyr" to liberal censorship. They are going to play this bit of manufactured theater up to the hilt.

Or maybe Williams and Ailes knew in advance the NPR was letting him go and Ailes offered him a position with increased visibility since he now had the time.
Don't read too much into a new deal.

154 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:28:26pm

re: #144 jamesfirecat
Not exactly confident in their efforts, actually . Another term for that is ' hedging their bets '.

155 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:28:37pm

re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote

There are already two posts about his million dollar Fox deal.

It seems really obvious to me this was the plan from the start. Now he can start at Fox as a ready made "martyr" to liberal censorship. They are going to play this bit of manufactured theater up to the hilt.

I don't know if it was made up, but there might have been a Plan B in the bag.

FOX will do what FOX will do, but IMO NPR was looking for a reason to let him go.

I'll tell you, LVQ- can you believe we're talking about this instead of the upcoming election? We are so easily distracted- which is of course my way of saying.'If you believe in conspiracy theories and the Illuminati...'

You laughed.

156 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:28:40pm

re: #149 tradewind

That's one very selective thought. A few more:

///Hitler resonated strongly with his political base, was compelling and tough.


It takes more than those three things (or those three things and being hot) to make a good leader.

157 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:28:46pm

re: #152 jaunte
Well, you could start with POTUS.

158 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:28:58pm

re: #152 jaunte

Tough, resilient, inexperienced and fact free. What could go wrong?

Dunning Kruger town here we come!

159 Lidane  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:29:18pm

re: #149 tradewind

So basically, she refuses to go away despite being blatantly out of her league on the national stage, and that's something to be admired? Pfft. Whatever.

160 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:29:25pm

re: #157 tradewind

Well, you could start with POTUS.

I'll start with comment #157.
Much closer.
;)

161 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:30:20pm

re: #156 jamesfirecat

Oh, please. Not the ' YOU KNOW WHO ELSE WAS ' schtick.
Really, it's endless.

162 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:30:53pm

The good news is that this has finally replaced talk about Christine O'Donnell. The bad news is that this story is less than 24 hours old, and I'm sick to death of it already. Fully aware that it will probably be THE talking point for the next month unless Sharron Angle takes a dump on stage or Rand & Ron Paul decide to act out Gilbert Gottfried's most heinous rendition of The Aristocrats.

163 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:30:59pm

re: #147 Obdicut

What on earth is it with false dichotomies? Are the only reasons to dislike someone because they're a bigot or beacuse of their politics?

He is irresponsible. He slammed Michelle Obama as "Stokey Carmichael in a dress". Stokey Carmichael was a militant black seperatist socialist, an immigrant who went into self-imposed exile in Africa. He was such a seperatist he rejected any collaboration between the Black Panthers and white activists.

There is no point of comparison between Michelle Obama and Carmichael. It is a stupid, reprehesnsible, asinine comparison-- not to mention hideously and cavalierly insulting.

He didn't apologize for this, but instead used the weak-sauce "i'm sorry if anyone misinterpreted me and was offended" excuse. He didn't apologize to Michelle Obama. He defended his analysis of her as "Stokey Carmichale in a dress" as his informed point of view.

That alone is completely asinine.

And now, during a period of time when mosques are being attacked, when anti-Muslim bigotry is at a height, he not only clumsily tries to express an irrational fear of religiously observant Muslims, but completely fucks up a quote from a convicted terrorist and makes it appear that he endorses the idea that he thinks there is a war between Islam and the US coming.

That's not politics I'm objecting to. That's idiocy.

You know, there is a lot of truth to what you are saying. I don't deny that.

I just wish the conversation were on a higher plane, that's all. My beef is really with the double standards and righteous indignation.

I know, I'm in the wrong.

Ah, politics.

164 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:31:07pm

re: #161 tradewind

Oh, please. Not the ' YOU KNOW WHO ELSE WAS ' schtick.
Really, it's endless.

That's why I put it in sarc tags.

What do you think of my suggestion that maybe a good leader should have more virtues than the ones Clinton praised Palin for having?

165 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:31:38pm

re: #159 Lidane
Hey, I didn't give an opinion.
I was just quoting the most popular Democrat in America today.

166 simoom  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:31:41pm

I guess this is the first column from Juan Williams under his new FNC contract:

I Was Fired for Telling the Truth

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth.
...
That threat was expressed in court last week by the unsuccessful Times Square bomber who bragged that he was just one of the first engaged in a “Muslim War” against the United States. -- There is no doubt that there's a real war and people are trying to kill us.

Nice... a Muslim war against the U.S. ... ///

To say the least this is a chilling assault on free speech. The critical importance of honest journalism and a free flowing, respectful national conversation needs to be had in our country. But it is being buried as collateral damage in a war whose battles include political correctness and ideological orthodoxy.

I say an ideological battle because my comments on "The O’Reilly Factor" are being distorted by the self-righteous ideological, left-wing leadership at NPR. They are taking bits and pieces of what I said to go after me for daring to have a conversation with leading conservative thinkers. They loathe the fact that I appear on Fox News. They don’t notice that I am challenging Bill O’Reilly and trading ideas with Sean Hannity. In their hubris they think by talking with O’Reilly or Hannity I am lending them legitimacy. Believe me, Bill O’Reilly (and Sean, too) is a major force in American culture and politics whether or not I appear on his show.

Sheesh.

Years ago NPR tried to stop me from going on "The Factor." When I refused they insisted that I not identify myself as an NPR journalist. I asked them if they thought people did not know where I appeared on the air as a daily talk show host, national correspondent and news analyst. They refused to budge.

This self-reverential attitude was on display several years ago when NPR asked me to help them get an interview with President George W. Bush. I have longstanding relationships with some of the key players in his White House due to my years as a political writer at The Washington Post. When I got the interview some in management expressed anger that in the course of the interview I said to the president that Americans pray for him but don’t understand some of his actions. They said it was wrong to say Americans pray for him.

And it goes on like that.

I also think he somewhat misrepresents what he said on O'Reilly's program. When asked what he though of O'Reilly's recent statements (about there being a "Muslim problem" in the world and that Muslim's attacked us on 9/11) his response wasn't to challenge O'Reilly, it was to say:
"I hate to say this to you because I don't want to get your ego going but I think you're right. I think that political correctness can lead to some kind of paralysis where you don't address reality."

Sounds like a pretty full throated endorsement to me, regardless of his minor quibblings later in the interview.

167 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:32:19pm

tweet:

mozaffar Omer M. Mozaffar
When I'm flying and someone dresses like a Fox News commentator, I worry, regardless of whether or not they take off their sheets.
168 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:32:56pm

re: #163 researchok


I just wish the conversation were on a higher plane, that's all. My beef is really with the double standards and righteous indignation.

What conversation? What double-standards?

169 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:33:07pm

re: #149 tradewind

That's one very selective thought. A few more:

Translation:
Image: random-funny-hilarious-4e-21.jpg

170 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:33:32pm

I worry that by firing journalists (in particular editorial commentators) over relatively benign stupidity that it could have a chilling effect on the way news is reported and discussed. Was Juan ignorant to say what he did? Yes (although I think the First Lady comments were worse). Did it rise to the level of a firing offense? I'm not sure.

Now I would expect people to look twice at someone wearing traditional Arab garb boarding a plane as much as they would look at my large family twice walking into a buffet. It is natural to be xenophobic and the atmosphere hasn't been helped by terror and our reactions to it.

As far as Muslim garb... What is that? If my muslim friends are any indication it would be Abercrombie and American Eagle shits with Chinos.

171 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:33:42pm

re: #166 simoom

So, he didn't acknowledge that he got the quote wrong?

Figures.

172 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:34:35pm

re: #163 researchok
I'm pretty sure he meantStokely.
Stokey just doesn't sound right.

173 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:34:42pm

re: #168 Obdicut

What conversation? What double-standards?

I'd like to see the reporters who pissed on Bush and Cheney- personally- the way Williams did on Michelle Obama, be asked to apologize as well.

174 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:35:12pm

re: #170 DaddyG

I worry that by firing journalists (in particular editorial commentators) over relatively benign stupidity that it could have a chilling effect on the way news is reported and discussed. Was Juan ignorant to say what he did? Yes (although I think the First Lady comments were worse). Did it rise to the level of a firing offense? I'm not sure.

Now I would expect people to look twice at someone wearing traditional Arab garb boarding a plane as much as they would look at my large family twice walking into a buffet. It is natural to be xenophobic and the atmosphere hasn't been helped by terror and our reactions to it.

As far as Muslim garb... What is that? If my muslim friends are any indication it would be Abercrombie and American Eagle shits with Chinos.

Interestingly enough, the Wingnuts are calling for the suspension of Federal funds to NPR, pending an investigation witch hunt.

175 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:35:56pm

re: #156 jamesfirecat

///Hitler resonated strongly with his political base, was compelling and tough.


It takes more than those three things (or those three things and being hot) to make a good leader.


Let me wipe that Godwin off... /

Hitler was a very effective leader and a political whiz kid. He sort of lost it in the end like most manic dictators.

I don't think toughness, political acumen or leadership skills are really the final word on who we want representing us.

176 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:36:09pm

re: #170 DaddyG

I worry that by firing journalists (in particular editorial commentators) over relatively benign stupidity that it could have a chilling effect on the way news is reported and discussed. Was Juan ignorant to say what he did? Yes (although I think the First Lady comments were worse). Did it rise to the level of a firing offense? I'm not sure.

Now I would expect people to look twice at someone wearing traditional Arab garb boarding a plane as much as they would look at my large family twice walking into a buffet. It is natural to be xenophobic and the atmosphere hasn't been helped by terror and our reactions to it.

As far as Muslim garb... What is that? If my muslim friends are any indication it would be Abercrombie and American Eagle shits with Chinos.

Do you honestly think he meant " Abercrombie and American Eagle shits with Chinos." When he said "traditional Muslim garb"?

Also I think he was right to be fired, our news media shouldn't be giving support to one of the worst aspects of modern day American intollerance.

Because even if we do think those things, to hear someone from a position of power echo them, it gives those ugly thoughts a pat on the back and it makes us believe that its okay to think them instead of being disgusted by ourselves when we do.

177 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:36:15pm

re: #173 researchok

I'd like to see the reporters who pissed on Bush and Cheney- personally- the way Williams did on Michelle Obama, be asked to apologize as well.

Like who, for example?

Are you willing to admit that Williams does not acknowledge his mistakes, as he did not acknowledge that he got the quote from the terrorist wrong, but in fact claims he was fired for 'telling the truth'?

178 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:36:31pm

re: #170 DaddyG

IIf my muslim friends are any indication it would be Abercrombie and American Eagle shits with Chinos.

I've been bullseyed by a pigeon and it was unpleasant to say the least. Eagles are huge. Yikes.

179 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:36:36pm

re: #174 Varek Raith

I bet an investigation would cost as much as NPR gets from the feds.

180 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:37:23pm

re: #174 Varek Raith

Interestingly enough, the Wingnuts are calling for the suspension of Federal funds to NPR, pending an investigation witch hunt.

If they touch Click and Clack I'm joining the Harvard Square Patriots militia.

181 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:37:30pm

re: #175 DaddyG

Let me wipe that Godwin off... /

Hitler was a very effective leader and a political whiz kid. He sort of lost it in the end like most manic dictators.

I don't think toughness, political acumen or leadership skills are really the final word on who we want representing us.

Yeah there's also Sarah Palins fine COUGH TROOPERGATE COUGH moral fiber!

182 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:38:10pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

If they touch Click and Clack I'm joining the Harvard Square Patriots militia.

I can't wait to hear how they use it on Wait Wait Don't Tell Me.

183 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:38:25pm

re: #164 jamesfirecat
Shoulda woulda coulda.
Listing the qualities a ' good leader ' for these United States today is a depressing and useless task. Almost no one intelligent enough to do the job really well wants it, and the few who do probably have some serious character defects that years ago would have remained hidden, but in today's world will eventually disqualify them via the press.

184 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:38:35pm

re: #176 jamesfirecat

Do you honestly think he meant " Abercrombie and American Eagle shits with Chinos." When he said "traditional Muslim garb"?

No. The sarc was implied.

185 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:38:47pm

re: #166 simoom

Thank you for the clarity of that comment. I needed that.

186 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:39:14pm

re: #178 negativ

I've been bullseyed by a pigeon and it was unpleasant to say the least. Eagles are huge. Yikes.

Shirts- shirts.

blush!

187 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:39:18pm

re: #183 tradewind

Shoulda woulda coulda.
Listing the qualities a ' good leader ' for these United States today is a depressing and useless task. Almost no one intelligent enough to do the job really well wants it, and the few who do probably have some serious character defects that years ago would have remained hidden, but in today's world will eventually disqualify them via the press.

So what Sarah Palin is as "bad" a choic of a leader as Barack Obama then?

188 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:40:12pm

re: #183 tradewind
PIMF, ' listing qualities that a good leader should have '.

Out.

189 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:40:14pm

re: #185 CuriousLurker

Thank you for the clarity of that comment. I needed that.

You should just randomly post, "OOGA BOOGA!"
You know, to scare the wingnuts.
:)

190 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:40:24pm

re: #182 negativ

I can't wait to hear how they use it on Wait Wait Don't Tell Me.


No Juan cares what you think. /

191 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:40:28pm

re: #184 DaddyG

No. The sarc was implied.

What do you think of my suggestion that his statements make sense as a firing offense unless deeply recanted (something he shows no signs of doing) for the damage they do to the American Zengist by mainstreaming and normalizing Anti-Muslim feelings/sentiments?

192 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:41:07pm

What's missing in all of this is that NPR was within their rights to fire him for any reason whatsoever. This is not a matter of freedom of speech, Mr. Williams can stand on any street corner or sit at any computer to get that. This is a matter of an employer being willing to give Mr. Williams a platform for his speech. To the extent that NPR has declined to do so, they are fully within their rights as Mr. Williams is in finding a new venue (which apparently he has)

193 MinisterO  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:41:55pm

re: #78 tradewind

Yup, FOX and the right take care of their own.

God help us if MSNBC and the left catch on. I can imagine the course of discussion when both sides are completely unhinged from reality.

194 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:42:04pm

re: #192 PT Barnum

What's missing in all of this is that NPR was within their rights to fire him for any reason whatsoever. This is not a matter of freedom of speech, Mr. Williams can stand on any street corner or sit at any computer to get that. This is a matter of an employer being willing to give Mr. Williams a platform for his speech. To the extent that NPR has declined to do so, they are fully within their rights as Mr. Williams is in finding a new venue (which apparently he has)

This.
It was in his contract.
Why do Republicans hate contracts?
/

195 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:42:16pm

re: #167 jaunte
That's so...... deep./

196 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:42:44pm

re: #191 jamesfirecat

What do you think of my suggestion that his statements make sense as a firing offense unless deeply recanted (something he shows no signs of doing) for the damage they do to the American Zengist by mainstreaming and normalizing Anti-Muslim feelings/sentiments?


I'd rather see stupidity refuted publicly than silenced. That's just my angle.

197 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:43:06pm

re: #183 tradewind

Shoulda woulda coulda.
Listing the qualities a ' good leader ' for these United States today is a depressing and useless task. Almost no one intelligent enough to do the job really well wants it, and the few who do probably have some serious character defects that years ago would have remained hidden, but in today's world will eventually disqualify them via the press.

On the first day of a very weird Ft. Leavenworth "Leadership" course, we were required to write our personal definition of Leadership. My submission: "Leadership is the art of inducing Followership in others." I was not Honor Graduate.

198 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:43:31pm

re: #191 jamesfirecat

What do you think of my suggestion that his statements make sense as a firing offense unless deeply recanted (something he shows no signs of doing) for the damage they do to the American Zengist by mainstreaming and normalizing Anti-Muslim feelings/sentiments?

I'm not sure that's NPRs job.

Look what he said was boneheaded, but NPR could just as easily have said, "We've decided not to renew Williams' contract" and let it go at that. To make it about the muslim comments was rather boneheaded as it didn't harm Juan among his Fox viewership and in fact made him a martyr.

199 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:43:42pm

re: #192 PT Barnum
You are correct that it is not a freedom of speech issue. It is an editorial and employment choice on the part of NPR which they have the right to make. (Even if I think they overreacted).

200 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:43:58pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

On the first day of a very weird Ft. Leavenworth "Leadership" course, we were required to write our personal definition of Leadership. My submission: "Leadership is the art of inducing Followership in others." I was not Honor Graduate.

Pfftt, that's easy.
Leadership.
Do as I say or I'll hurl bolts of lightning at your ass.

201 MinisterO  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:44:28pm

re: #173 researchok

I'd like to see the reporters who pissed on Bush and Cheney- personally- the way Williams did on Michelle Obama, be asked to apologize as well.

You're still smarting about the media's mistreatment of Bush and Cheney?

202 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:44:28pm

re: #193 MinisterO
Well, KO's still whacking away at Bend Over MSNBC.
So there's balance at work.
Really gotta run.

203 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:44:41pm

re: #177 Obdicut

Like who, for example?

Are you willing to admit that Williams does not acknowledge his mistakes, as he did not acknowledge that he got the quote from the terrorist wrong, but in fact claims he was fired for 'telling the truth'?

Obdi, do you really believe there were no egregious examples of journalistic Bush bashing?

I have said repeatedly that Williams used a poor choice of words. Are you aware of what else he said on the O'Reilly show, cherry picking quoites aside?

204 tradewind  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:44:56pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

(you wuz robbed)

205 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:45:06pm

re: #196 DaddyG

I'd rather see stupidity refuted publicly than silenced. That's just my angle.

How do you want his stupidity refuted publically by NPR exactly?

206 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:46:13pm

re: #205 jamesfirecat

How do you want his stupidity refuted publically by NPR exactly?

"We shit canned him for being a dumbass. Anybody who talks for a living ought to have been smart enough to know that wasn't going to go over and shut their pie hole."

207 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:46:22pm

OT, what is the best way took a flat iron steak, indoors?

208 MinisterO  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:46:25pm

re: #202 tradewind

Troll much?

209 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:47:28pm

re: #203 researchok

Obdi, do you really believe there were no egregious examples of journalistic Bush bashing?

Again-- I never made any such claim, so I have no clue why you'd ask that.

There were plenty of incredibly stupid and asinine things said about Bush, from insults against his intelligence that defy common sense to imputations of disloyalty to the country that defy decency. I would love to see any and all of those people who made such allegations apologize for them.

I was wondering if you had anyone particular in mind. Do you?


I have said repeatedly that Williams used a poor choice of words. Are you aware of what else he said on the O'Reilly show, cherry picking quoites aside?

I'm sorry, but I specifically asked whether or not you're willing to say that he doesn't admit his mistakes, give that he:

A) Made a mistake-- a very serious one, in that he changed a quote.

B) Did not admit it, but instead said he 'told the truth'.

I am aware of what else he said on O'Reilly's show. In the whole, he endorsed O'Reilly's position, with minor quibbles.

210 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:47:33pm

re: #207 researchok

OT, what is the best way took a flat iron steak, indoors?

broil it on your George Foreman. Don't have a George Foreman, well if you have enough money to buy fucking flat iron steaks you can afford one!

PT wants to come over to your house, cause he's having spaghetti for dinner.

211 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:47:56pm

re: #189 Varek Raith

You should just randomly post, "OOGA BOOGA!"
You know, to scare the wingnuts.
:)

LOL, thanks for making me laugh in the middle of all this.

And on that pleasant note, I think I'll fade back into the shadows for the evening.

Later, lizards.

212 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:50:20pm

re: #211 CuriousLurker

LOL, thanks for making me laugh in the middle of all this.

And on that pleasant note, I think I'll fade back into the shadows for the evening.

Later, lizards.

I wrote a reply to you on the Ha'aretz "leading rabbi" thread.

Also, Bob is OK.

213 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:50:21pm

re: #210 PT Barnum

broil it on your George Foreman. Don't have a George Foreman, well if you have enough money to buy fucking flat iron steaks you can afford one!

PT wants to come over to your house, cause he's having spaghetti for dinner.

I have a GF grill but it's packed away.

I'll use the broiler so I can set off the smoke alarm.

PT is welcome to visit- I like red, FYI.

214 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:51:11pm

re: #155 researchok

I don't know if it was made up, but there might have been a Plan B in the bag.

FOX will do what FOX will do, but IMO NPR was looking for a reason to let him go.

I'll tell you, LVQ- can you believe we're talking about this instead of the upcoming election? We are so easily distracted- which is of course my way of saying.'If you believe in conspiracy theories and the Illuminati...'

You laughed.

I did!

215 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:51:55pm

re: #207 researchok

OT, what is the best way took a flat iron steak, indoors?

I suggest salt, pepper, gas and a match.
Smother with towel when done.
Enjoy.
/

216 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:51:56pm

re: #213 researchok

I have a GF grill but it's packed away.

I'll use the broiler so I can set off the smoke alarm.

PT is welcome to visit- I like red, FYI.

I definitely recommend a little garlic salt and fresh ground black pepper. Flat Iron is the bomb though. Very underappreciated cut. But very very tender and very very tasty.

217 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:52:05pm

re: #214 LudwigVanQuixote

I did!

You may now apply for Illuminati membership.

218 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:52:31pm

re: #142 Lidane

I don't trust the modern GOP as far as I can throw them, but that's got nothing to do with Palin and everything to do with the way that people have allowed themselves to be manipulated into fearing everything around them. Oh, and the naked racism and ignorance being embraced by the right doesn't help either.

Or the fact that they are callous, stupid, self-righteous, deluded and against the core values of American liberty.

219 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:53:03pm

I gotta go write some code for tomorrow. Have fun everybody.

220 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:53:05pm

re: #216 PT Barnum

I definitely recommend a little garlic salt and fresh ground black pepper. Flat Iron is the bomb though. Very underappreciated cut. But very very tender and very very tasty.

I know- only as of late have been a fan. I bought one that was marked down and I've been a fan ever since.

This is a great country.

221 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:53:55pm

re: #219 PT Barnum

I gotta go write some code for tomorrow. Have fun everybody.

C:/DOS
C:/DOS/RUN
RUN/DOS/RUN!

222 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:54:28pm

re: #221 Varek Raith

C:/DOS
C:/DOS/RUN
RUN/DOS/RUN!

And with that, the tension was released...

223 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:54:39pm

re: #217 researchok

You may now apply for Illuminati membership.

Silly Human, unaware of the reach of Intergalactic Zionism. The Exalted Seeker of your local chapter (the one who planned the kegger and orgy (with a chanting or non-chanting option) is my cousin Yitz!

224 MinisterO  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:54:55pm

re: #221 Varek Raith

C:/DOS
C:/DOS/RUN
RUN/DOS/RUN!

Those are unix slashes. Who do you think you're fooling, commie?

225 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:55:19pm

re: #224 MinisterO

Those are unix slashes. Who do you think you're fooling, commie?

Dammit!
My cover is blown!

226 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:55:35pm

Well, it's too bad this happened with Juan Williams. Prior to joining Fox News he was a rather serious commentator and providing an interesting perspective on politics. I hope people consider that he "got in with the wrong crowd". Otherwise NPR still does good work.

227 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:56:19pm

re: #53 webevintage

I'm bringing this up from below...

re: #200 researchok

Yes, asked and answered.

By the way, Whoopi Goldberg also criticizes Williams firing.

And as we all know, she is no O'Reilly fan.

Whoopi Goldberg defended that POS Roman Polanski...

And we should care what Whoppi thinks because...?

228 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:56:51pm

re: #226 Gus 802

Well, it's too bad this happened with Juan Williams. Prior to joining Fox News he was a rather serious commentator and providing an interesting perspective on politics. I hope people consider that he "got in with the wrong crowd". Otherwise NPR still does good work.

This was way overblown. And that is my last comment on the subject.

229 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:57:09pm

re: #226 Gus 802

Well, it's too bad this happened with Juan Williams. Prior to joining Fox News he was a rather serious commentator and providing an interesting perspective on politics. I hope people consider that he "got in with the wrong crowd". Otherwise NPR still does good work.

Please, the dude sold out.

230 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:57:17pm

re: #228 researchok

This was way overblown. And that is my last comment on the subject.

I agree.

231 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:57:23pm

re: #227 Alouette

And we should care what Whoppi thinks because...?

Yeah it's not like she's Opra!

232 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:57:39pm

re: #227 Alouette

And we should care what Whoppi thinks because...?

Because of her run in with O'Reilly a few days ago- when everyone thought she had great gravitas.

Easy come, easy go.

233 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:58:26pm

re: #212 LudwigVanQuixote

I wrote a reply to you on the Ha'aretz "leading rabbi" thread.

Also, Bob is OK.

I just noticed the email about the other thread. Thanks.

Yeah, Bob & I have had a couple of pretty good discussions in the pages over the past few months, so I know it was an honest oversight on his part.

CL ◄— Really leaving this time. No, really. ;o)

*POOF*

234 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:58:30pm

Later guys- flat iron and sides need to be prepared.

235 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:58:34pm

re: #230 Gus 802

I agree.

I want to do a post on recent GOP perp walks in the past say 5 years. Could you assist me with some of your awesome google fu?

236 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:59:57pm

re: #230 Gus 802

I agree.

Wheareas his incredibly stupid smear on Michelle Obama was apparently underblown, because I never heard about it before.

Honestly, that is just one of the shittiest and least professional attacks I've ever seen on a public figure.

237 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 2:59:57pm

re: #235 LudwigVanQuixote

I want to do a post on recent GOP perp walks in the past say 5 years. Could you assist me with some of your awesome google fu?

GOP perp? You mean as in a criminal that walked?

238 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:00:48pm

re: #236 Obdicut

Wheareas his incredibly stupid smear on Michelle Obama was apparently underblown, because I never heard about it before.

Honestly, that is just one of the shittiest and least professional attacks I've ever seen on a public figure.

Yeah, I never heard about that one either. Pretty low blow on his part.

239 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:01:00pm

re: #232 researchok

And by 'everyone', you mean...?

240 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:02:17pm

re: #227 Alouette

And we should care what Whoppi thinks because...?

well that's what I saying.
Who cares if Whoopi thought Williams should not be fired...she defend Polanski.

(I screwed up when moving the post)

241 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:02:48pm

re: #232 researchok

Because of her run in with O'Reilly a few days ago- when everyone thought she had great gravitas.

Easy come, easy go.

You mean I can only judge a person as a whole rather than being able to praise certain actions they take, and wag my fingers at others?

242 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:03:05pm

re: #235 LudwigVanQuixote

I want to do a post on recent GOP perp walks in the past say 5 years. Could you assist me with some of your awesome google fu?

Oh, you mean like this?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

243 MinisterO  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:04:03pm

re: #226 Gus 802

Well, it's too bad this happened with Juan Williams. Prior to joining Fox News he was a rather serious commentator and providing an interesting perspective on politics. I hope people consider that he "got in with the wrong crowd". Otherwise NPR still does good work.

I'm uncomfortable with the whole thing. Still, the guy knows which side his bread is buttered on. Or however the saying goes. The excommunicated liberal angle will sell on FOX.

244 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:04:13pm

re: #237 Gus 802

GOP perp? You mean as in a criminal that walked?

I mean the perp walk in the sense of with hand cuffs led away to be indicted. Though resigned in disgrace is good enough too. I put up two videos last night with a lot of such footage, but they were older and only stopped in 2008 or so.

Since then there are bound to be many more.

I think a nice long post on what GOP values really are from Newt's serial adultery and betrayals (which he believes is OK for him to do but not others) to Sanford, to the blood gold ties of Inhofe and Robertson would be a very good post.

245 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:04:27pm

re: #241 jamesfirecat

You mean I can only judge a person as a whole

I have judged some people I've met as a hole!!!

;)

246 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:05:56pm

re: #242 Gus 802

Oh, you mean like this?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

That would be a great start!

You are the verification of political gunk Jedi Master here. I know the dirt is out there, and I recall from the news dozens of cases. I would just like to have them all in one place, so we can talk about just how many of these cretins there are who have already been caught.

247 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:06:24pm

re: #244 LudwigVanQuixote

I mean the perp walk in the sense of with hand cuffs led away to be indicted. Though resigned in disgrace is good enough too. I put up two videos last night with a lot of such footage, but they were older and only stopped in 2008 or so.

Since then there are bound to be many more.

I think a nice long post on what GOP values really are from Newt's serial adultery and betrayals (which he believes is OK for him to do but not others) to Sanford, to the blood gold ties of Inhofe and Robertson would be a very good post.

Ah. What about Duke Cunningham? He got a little over 8 years. Sentenced in 2006.

248 MinisterO  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:07:18pm

re: #245 sattv4u2

You mean I can only judge a person as a whole

I have judged some people I've met as a hole!!!

;)

I've judged quite a few I haven't met. I can say from experience that "lest ye be judged" works as advertised.

249 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:07:43pm

Attn Geeks
I broke down and bought the New Fallout game today. I'm not familiar with the franchise but so far it seems pretty interesting. So far I've played the beginning twice through to test it out. It's a pretty open environment which I really like but the coolest thing is that so far it seems like the choices you make really do make a difference in the game. It's not like a choice of hallway A or hallway B which usually lead to the same place in most games. You can kill (or at least try to kill) all the NPC's. The other characters will treat you differently depending on your reputation. The cut scenes explaining plot points are short and not too annoying. The environment seems open and the gameplay and combat work well.
I'll have to play through the begging again to learn the ropes of the game. I can't seem to resist the urge of killing my instructors just to see if I can. It seems you have to play somewhat nice in the beginning to learn the basic skills but so far I'm impressed.

250 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:08:32pm

re: #247 Gus 802

Ah. What about Duke Cunningham? He got a little over 8 years. Sentenced in 2006.

Exactly - and Rent boy guy, and Palin's little messes with abuse of power... etc...

251 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:08:49pm

HAHAHAHAHAH

Roger Ailes said. “He’s an honest man whose freedom of speech is protected by Fox News on a daily basis.” Jesus Christ. Fox News is Juan Williams’ personal ACLU.


Charles Krauthammer has been trying to do this for years! Why can’t he get the Washington Post to fire him for all the bigoted stuff he says and writes so he can get a permanent gig on Fox? Silly Krauthammer, printing hate speech is a very important part of how the Post keeps its objective balance.

[Link: wonkette.com...]

252 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:08:52pm

re: #243 MinisterO

I'm uncomfortable with the whole thing. Still, the guy knows which side his bread is buttered on. Or however the saying goes. The excommunicated liberal angle will sell on FOX.

One way to make sure your bread lands butter side up when you drop it is to butter both sides. Juan Williams just dropped his slice and proved it.

253 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:09:29pm

re: #244 LudwigVanQuixote

I mean the perp walk in the sense of with hand cuffs led away to be indicted. Though resigned in disgrace is good enough too. I put up two videos last night with a lot of such footage, but they were older and only stopped in 2008 or so.

Since then there are bound to be many more.

I think a nice long post on what GOP values really are from Newt's serial adultery and betrayals (which he believes is OK for him to do but not others) to Sanford, to the blood gold ties of Inhofe and Robertson would be a very good post.

Roy Ashburn. California senator arrested for DUI. Arrested for DUI leaving after leaving gay night club. Was an anti-gay stalwart.

254 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:09:53pm

re: #248 MinisterO

I've judged quite a few I haven't met. I can say from experience that "lest ye be judged" works as advertised.

There was a judge in Orange County, CA, named Judge Knott.

255 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:10:49pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

Attn Geeks
I broke down and bought the New Fallout game today. I'm not familiar with the franchise but so far it seems pretty interesting. So far I've played the beginning twice through to test it out. It's a pretty open environment which I really like but the coolest thing is that so far it seems like the choices you make really do make a difference in the game. It's not like a choice of hallway A or hallway B which usually lead to the same place in most games. You can kill (or at least try to kill) all the NPC's. The other characters will treat you differently depending on your reputation. The cut scenes explaining plot points are short and not too annoying. The environment seems open and the gameplay and combat work well.
I'll have to play through the begging again to learn the ropes of the game. I can't seem to resist the urge of killing my instructors just to see if I can. It seems you have to play somewhat nice in the beginning to learn the basic skills but so far I'm impressed.

I'm glad you like it. I was thinking of getting it. Is this one done by Bethesda as well?

Have you played Mass Effect or Dragon Age Origins?

My favorite "choices impact the whole story ark" games are from Bioware.

256 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:11:02pm

Another reason to grow your own...
Tainted celery linked to 4 deaths

257 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:12:02pm

re: #244 LudwigVanQuixote

I mean the perp walk in the sense of with hand cuffs led away to be indicted. Though resigned in disgrace is good enough too. I put up two videos last night with a lot of such footage, but they were older and only stopped in 2008 or so.

Since then there are bound to be many more.

I think a nice long post on what GOP values really are from Newt's serial adultery and betrayals (which he believes is OK for him to do but not others) to Sanford, to the blood gold ties of Inhofe and Robertson would be a very good post.

Newer one:

Tea Party candidate David Hedrick pleads not guilty to assault
Former Marine accused of hitting his wife during an argument

258 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:12:29pm

re: #257 Gus 802

Newer one:

Tea Party candidate David Hedrick pleads not guilty to assault
Former Marine accused of hitting his wife during an argument

The Camas man who rose to prominence after telling a Democratic congressman to “stay away from my kids” is accused of assaulting his wife.

One-time Republican congressional candidate David W. Hedrick, 31, pleaded not guilty on Monday to one count of fourth-degree assault — domestic violence, court records show.

The former Marine and Tea Party favorite was arrested at his Camas home early Sunday morning after his wife alleged he struck her twice in the back of the head during an argument.

259 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:12:49pm

re: #251 webevintage

HAHAHAHAHAH


They love that First Amendment when they get to swing it like a club. NPR isn't censoring Juan Williams, they just fired his ass.

260 Kragar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:13:07pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

Attn Geeks
I broke down and bought the New Fallout game today. I'm not familiar with the franchise but so far it seems pretty interesting. So far I've played the beginning twice through to test it out. It's a pretty open environment which I really like but the coolest thing is that so far it seems like the choices you make really do make a difference in the game. It's not like a choice of hallway A or hallway B which usually lead to the same place in most games. You can kill (or at least try to kill) all the NPC's. The other characters will treat you differently depending on your reputation. The cut scenes explaining plot points are short and not too annoying. The environment seems open and the gameplay and combat work well.
I'll have to play through the begging again to learn the ropes of the game. I can't seem to resist the urge of killing my instructors just to see if I can. It seems you have to play somewhat nice in the beginning to learn the basic skills but so far I'm impressed.

I was waiting for an open thread before I started a FO:NV discussion. I'm loving it so far. Got ED-E and Boone as my companions and having massive sniper fun.

261 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:13:53pm

re: #255 LudwigVanQuixote

My favorite "choices impact the whole story ark" games are from Bioware.

Didn't they do Bioshock? I never finished it because I hated the closed environment (stupid hallways) and although the graphics were slick I didn't care for the gameplay. The graphics in Fallout are good but not jawdropping but it's nice to have the better playability.

262 Kragar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:14:05pm

re: #255 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm glad you like it. I was thinking of getting it. Is this one done by Bethesda as well?

Have you played Mass Effect or Dragon Age Origins?

My favorite "choices impact the whole story ark" games are from Bioware.

Yeah, its Bethesda.

263 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:14:21pm

re: #259 darthstar

They love that First Amendment when they get to swing it like a club. NPR isn't censoring Juan Williams, they just fired his ass.

If the first amendment includes the rights to a radio show where is mine?

Jon Stewart did a great bit on this after Dr. "Ni**er Ni**er Ni**er" Laura got fired and Sarah Palin said it was about first Amendment rights....

264 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:14:38pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

I haven't gotten it yet; there have been some oddly mixed reviews, and the facial animations in that engine creep me the hell out.

If you like it, Fallout 3 is the same engine, you might like that one, too.

Oh, and there will be mods springing up soon for Fallout Las Vegas, I recommend getting some. They can be a lot of fun.

265 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:14:58pm

re: #257 Gus 802

Newer one:

Tea Party candidate David Hedrick pleads not guilty to assault
Former Marine accused of hitting his wife during an argument

Excellent! Could you put a bunch of them in one post? I'll write little blurbs for each. We can make it a joint page. Or if you really get into it, you can do it all yourself. I just really think that it should all be out there in one place so that people get a sense of just how corrupt and hypocritical the "family values" and ohhh so Christian GOP is.

266 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:15:43pm

re: #265 LudwigVanQuixote

Excellent! Could you put a bunch of them in one post? I'll write little blurbs for each. We can make it a joint page. Or if you really get into it, you can do it all yourself. I just really think that it should all be out there in one place so that people get a sense of just how corrupt and hypocritical the "family values" and ohhh so Christian GOP is.

Well, there's the sex scandals all in one post already.

[Link: www.dkosopedia.com...]

If you search for "arrested" the perp walks stand out.

267 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:16:07pm

re: #262 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, its Bethesda.

And it's designed by Obsidian, which is important.

268 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:16:34pm

re: #260 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was waiting for an open thread before I started a FO:NV discussion. I'm loving it so far. Got ED-E and Boone as my companions and having massive sniper fun.

Cool. I just can't resisting messing around with everything long enough to learn the basics. I think I'll get my $50 bucks worth of entertainment out of it.

269 MinisterO  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:16:42pm

re: #252 wrenchwench

One way to make sure your bread lands butter side up when you drop it is to butter both sides. Juan Williams just dropped his slice and proved it.

Wow, that was a tiny epiphany for me. An epiphanlet if you will.

270 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:16:46pm

re: #265 LudwigVanQuixote

Excellent! Could you put a bunch of them in one post? I'll write little blurbs for each. We can make it a joint page. Or if you really get into it, you can do it all yourself. I just really think that it should all be out there in one place so that people get a sense of just how corrupt and hypocritical the "family values" and ohhh so Christian GOP is.

And another "list" here:

[Link: www.dkosopedia.com...]

271 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:18:48pm

re: #261 Killgore Trout

Didn't they do Bioshock? I never finished it because I hated the closed environment (stupid hallways) and although the graphics were slick I didn't care for the gameplay. The graphics in Fallout are good but not jawdropping but it's nice to have the better playability.

They did - but they have since become the watchword in western RPG's as far as writing, storyline and character go. They pride themselves on working difficult, no right answer adult choices into their games. Those choices do come back later and have consequences though.

KOTOR is IMHO the greatest thing that ever happened to Star Wars.

Mass Effect is the first original Sci-Fi franchise I have seen that was compelling in a very long time.

Dragon Age Origins is a little more fluffy, but it is beautiful and compelling.

272 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:18:55pm

re: #270 Gus 802

And another "list" here:

[Link: www.dkosopedia.com...]

///If you can trust those jew hating nazis of course....

273 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:19:04pm

re: #252 wrenchwench

One way to make sure your bread lands butter side up when you drop it is to butter both sides. Juan Williams just dropped his slice and proved it.

i like it!

274 Lidane  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:19:21pm

re: #261 Killgore Trout

Didn't they do Bioshock?

Nope. Bioshock is from Irrational Games. Bioware has done Dragon Age: Origins, the Mass Effect series, the Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights series, and they're currently making Star Wars: The Old Republic.

275 Kragar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:19:32pm

I'm actually playing FO:NV in nice guy mode first before I go total bastard. Agility+2, Perception +1, Int+2 with Tag Skills Guns, Lockpick and Repair. Keep a rifle, shotgun, pistol and a melee weapon on me.

276 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:19:52pm

In wake of NPR controversy, Fox News gives Juan Williams an expanded role

The cable news network signs the analyst to a new three-year contract for nearly $2 million


Ka-Ching!

277 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:19:57pm

re: #266 Gus 802

Well, there's the sex scandals all in one post already.

[Link: www.dkosopedia.com...]

If you search for "arrested" the perp walks stand out.

Gorgeous!

278 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:21:04pm

re: #275 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm actually playing FO:NV in nice guy mode first before I go total bastard. Agility+2, Perception +1, Int+2 with Tag Skills Guns, Lockpick and Repair. Keep a rifle, shotgun, pistol and a melee weapon on me.

I think that's the way to do it.

279 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:21:11pm

re: #272 jamesfirecat

///If you can trust those jew hating nazis of course...

Yeah. I linked to KOS! I iz doomed!

//

280 Kragar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:21:26pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

Cool. I just can't resisting messing around with everything long enough to learn the basics. I think I'll get my $50 bucks worth of entertainment out of it.

On my third character, scrapped my first 2 after messing around with skill sets.

A must for all Fallout Players - The Vault: Fallout Wiki

281 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:21:33pm

re: #274 Lidane

Nope. Bioshock is from Irrational Games. Bioware has done Dragon Age: Origins, the Mass Effect series, the Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights series, and they're currently making Star Wars: The Old Republic.

I haven't played any of those.

282 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:21:43pm

re: #274 Lidane

Nope. Bioshock is from Irrational Games. Bioware has done Dragon Age: Origins, the Mass Effect series, the Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights series, and they're currently making Star Wars: The Old Republic.

My bad. You are of course correct!

283 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:22:40pm

re: #272 jamesfirecat

///If you can trust those jew hating nazis of course...

That the GOP dares to presume to speak for us Jews really gets my goat.

284 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:22:47pm

re: #280 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

On my third character, scrapped my first 2 after messing around with skill sets.

A must for all Fallout Players - The Vault: Fallout Wiki

Thanks. Bookmarked for later reading.

285 Lidane  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:23:06pm

re: #271 LudwigVanQuixote

KOTOR is IMHO the greatest thing that ever happened to Star Wars.

God yes. I want Bioware to just take the world they've created for KOTOR and make a full-length animated film from it. That would be awesome.

286 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:24:35pm

re: #285 Lidane

God yes. I want Bioware to just take the world they've created for KOTOR and make a full-length animated film from it. That would be awesome.

Oh yes. Well the MMORPG should be awesome.

287 Kragar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:24:40pm

Important note, if you have a good enough repair skill, you can get a 9mm SMG out of the starting Doctor's house.

288 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:25:12pm

re: #285 Lidane

God yes. I want Bioware to just take the world they've created for KOTOR and make a full-length animated film from it. That would be awesome.

Miss S. and I are already planning what sort of Jedis we'll run.

Hey we could make a group!

289 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:25:19pm

Oh brother.

Dick Armey: Many Dems Are Voting Early To Commit Voter Fraud (VIDEO)

After CBS News reported today that Democrats are showing strong numbers at early voting polls, FreedomWorks CEO Dick Armey offered his theory as to why: Those Dems are committing voter fraud.

Appearing on Fox News this afternoon, he told Neil Cavuto that Democrats vote early because there's "less ballot security," creating a "great opportunity" for fraud. He also claimed that such fraudulent early voting is "pinpointed to the major urban areas. The inner city."

...

290 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:26:06pm

re: #287 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Important note, if you have a good enough repair skill, you can get a 9mm SMG out of the starting Doctor's house.

Another important note. If you walk around naked the villagers attack you. Took me a long time to figure that out.

291 Lidane  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:26:19pm

re: #281 Killgore Trout

I haven't played any of those.

If you like sci-fi at all, I'd totally recommend both the Mass Effect and Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic games. They're totally worth the time investment.

292 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:26:31pm

re: #276 Killgore Trout

In wake of NPR controversy, Fox News gives Juan Williams an expanded role


Ka-Ching!

So Williams hasn't been censored at all...he's simply SOLD HIS FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER...I put that in all caps and bold so even the trolls could read and understand it (I'm looking at you, Sarah Palin).

293 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:27:29pm

re: #289 Gus 802

Oh brother.

Dick Armey: Many Dems Are Voting Early To Commit Voter Fraud (VIDEO)

I'll say it loud here but fuck Dick Armey and his pathetic lies. I have to vote early because my home country is a good drive away from where I go to college and I'm busy as hell on Tuesdays.

294 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:28:22pm

re: #292 darthstar

So Williams hasn't been censored at all...he's simply SOLD HIS FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER...I put that in all caps and bold so even the trolls could read and understand it (I'm looking at you, Sarah Palin).

Capitalist pig!

295 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:29:54pm

re: #276 Killgore Trout

In wake of NPR controversy, Fox News gives Juan Williams an expanded role

Ka-Ching!

That's 666,666 dollars a year!

/666

296 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:30:21pm

re: #293 HappyWarrior

I'll say it loud here but fuck Dick Armey and his pathetic lies. I have to vote early because my home country is a good drive away from where I go to college and I'm busy as hell on Tuesdays.

Your excuses are pathetic. You moved out of the country so that when you committed your heinous voter fraud, you would be safe from the long Dick arm of the law.
/

297 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:30:45pm

I'm in the wrong business. I could have been on Fox News saying stupid shit and making 100s of thousands of dollars a year.

/

298 Kragar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:31:16pm

re: #290 Killgore Trout

Another important note. If you walk around naked the villagers attack you. Took me a long time to figure that out.

LOL, put some clothes on you freak.

I do like that you can disguise yourself wearing the faction armor. Thats a nice feature.

299 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:31:44pm

re: #289 Gus 802

Oh brother.

Dick Armey: Many Dems Are Voting Early To Commit Voter Fraud (VIDEO)

"inner city"... Hmmm, I wonder what that is code for?
Douchebag.

300 Winny Spencer  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:31:55pm

re: #267 Obdicut

It is, because Bethesda is the suck.

Recieved my copy today. What Killgore wrote sounds promising.

I loved Alpha Protocol too, which most seemed to dislike.

301 Lidane  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:31:57pm

re: #288 LudwigVanQuixote

Miss S. and I are already planning what sort of Jedis we'll run.

Hey we could make a group!

Sweet. I'm definitely looking forward to it myself.

I met one of the developers for The Old Republic here in Austin not too long ago. Nice guy. Definitely into his job, too. He couldn't tell me much about the game due to non-disclosure agreements, but the way he talked about the Bioware offices, it sounds like a great company to work for.

302 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:32:12pm

re: #299 imp_62

"inner city"... Hmmm, I wonder what that is code for?
Douchebag.

Yep. That's what it's code for.

303 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:32:32pm

re: #299 imp_62

"inner city"... Hmmm, I wonder what that is code for?
Douchebag.

ACORN!

304 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:32:51pm

re: #299 imp_62

"inner city"... Hmmm, I wonder what that is code for?
Douchebag.

305 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:34:02pm

re: #303 HappyWarrior

ACORN!

Gesundheit.

306 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:34:18pm

This is Brilliant!

Activist Judges

307 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:34:42pm

re: #304 bratwurst

[Video]

Aber echt - Schalke????

308 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:37:54pm

re: #306 LudwigVanQuixote

This is Brilliant!

Activist Judges

[Video]

Haha educational and funny.

309 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:39:15pm

re: #289 Gus 802

Oh brother.

Dick Armey: Many Dems Are Voting Early To Commit Voter Fraud (VIDEO)

Did we not discuss this last night?
I knew, KNEW this would happen if it looks like Dems might win anywhere.
How DARE we go vote early....

310 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:39:51pm

re: #309 webevintage

Yep. The GOP is desperate to put out the "Voting early is bad, mmmkay?" Meme. From the high and the low.

311 Winny Spencer  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:42:13pm

re: #271 LudwigVanQuixote

I must respectfully disagree. I don't think Bioware's games contain enough choices with meaningful consequences. Their games are essentially linear, with two possible pathways in the latter stages of the games - good or evil.

And I profoundly dislike their unoriginal fantasy and sci-fi settings. I haven't even played Dragon Age or either of the Mass Effects.

I do commend Obsidian for introducing role playing-elements into less traditional RPG-settings, as in the modern espionage setting of Alpha Protocol.

Rant over.

312 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:06:35pm

re: #293 HappyWarrior

I'll say it loud here but fuck Dick Armey and his pathetic lies. I have to vote early because my home country is a good drive away from where I go to college and I'm busy as hell on Tuesdays.

I already voted! And I didn't even put my pants on. Oregon by mail, best thing ever

Dick Armey and his tiny dicked army can suck it, can't pull your GOP jim crow hick voter caging hispanic-threatening dirty tricks here :D

313 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:08:00pm

re: #261 Killgore Trout

Didn't they do Bioshock? I never finished it because I hated the closed environment (stupid hallways) and although the graphics were slick I didn't care for the gameplay. The graphics in Fallout are good but not jawdropping but it's nice to have the better playability.

No, Bioshock is Ken levine, who is Irrational games, formerly Lookign Glas,s the guy who designed System Shock 2, Thief 2, Freedom Force


Bioware is the Baldur's Gate guys, they're called Bioware because two doctors founded the company

314 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:08:53pm

re: #274 Lidane

Nope. Bioshock is from Irrational Games. Bioware has done Dragon Age: Origins, the Mass Effect series, the Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights series, and they're currently making Star Wars: The Old Republic.

yagh, beat me too it :D

315 dmon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:39:32pm

re: #310 Obdicut

But absentee voting is good!!!! Even though absentee voting is the easiest to way to cheat

316 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:17:46pm

re: #315 dmon

Voter fraud is very rare in the reality based universe version of America.

317 acacia  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:51:54pm

re: #74 Obdicut

Found it. Thanks. That's far less than I would have guessed. Interesting. I agree with your observation that it is a good business model.

318 ClaudeMonet  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 12:11:53am

re: #90 joest73

What does CNN do then when a Big story isn't breaking. I agree that it is still the place to go for breaking news but you can't fill 24 hours with breaking news.

They do two things--

1. Repeat the stories they have. Ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
2. Blow up minor stories and non-stories into major stories.

MSNBC, Fox, and your local stations do exactly the same thing. If there is no news, they create news. The news cycle demands that it be fed.

319 Super-ego  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 3:58:17am

re: #1 Obdicut

If there is one good thing that might come out of this, it's a spreading of the knowledge that NPR only gets 1-3% of its funding from the federal government.

I can hope, anyway.

I listen to NPR. They seem to get plenty of money without tax dollars. And it doesn't matter how much they get. They don't need it. And IMO shouldn't get it. If they can't make it in the market place, life will go on. Soros will help keep them afloat though. ;)

If it was a market driven station it would be Conservative.

320 JEA62  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 10:10:19am

NPR gets about 1% of their money from the government. So for all the rabid, foaming at the mouth conservatives out there - cut the money off. It won't matter.


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