In today’s “You Couldn’t Make This Up” section, here’s the main lesson Frank Gaffney says we need to learn from NPR’s firing of Juan Williams:
Juan Williams’ firing is evidence of submission to shariah.
Gaffney also says it’s hazardous to your livelihood to criticize Muslims — but that’s apparently not true for everyone.
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iossarian Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:03:48pm |
I’m an oppressed straight white male! I’m an oppressed straight white male!
WHY IS NO-ONE TAKING ME SERIOUSLY???
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:03:58pm |
NPR’s chief regrets firing Juan over the phone, but says it was still the right thing to do.
“We are for civil liberties,” she said. “If you want to be a political activist, you may not also be a reporter or news analyst for NPR.”Schiller also said it’s “sophomoric” to deride objectivity as a lie of omission, that hiding a journalists’ biases is a bad thing: “Yes, we are humans. We have opinions. None of us are impartial, that objectivity and absolute truth as concepts are unattainable. It does not follow that providing the most objective and most impartial work possible is not a worthy goal for professional journalists.”
She continues: “This is where the Juan Williams story enters. We have checks and balances to serve that goal. That’s why we have editors. We have an ombudsman and corrections. It’s why we let readers comment on stories. It’s why we run opinions and commentaries and label them as such. Commentaries are different from news analysis. It’s certainly why we practice journalism and prohibit journalists from certain activities, not just to protect the appearance of objectivity… it’s to protect the ideal of fair-minded journalism… People have strong opinions and professional journalists have developed procedures and standards and practices to counter them. It’s to draw a fine line between reporter and commentary and punditry.”
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Gus Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:07:05pm |
There you go. This is a perfect example of “keeping the fear alive.” Suddenly, Juan Williams’s firing goes from being a “PC move” according to some pundits to being an example of “submission to Sharia!” This propaganda is of course layered with a multitude of disinformation and paranoia and enough pablum to fill an outline for a future book and punditry. Net gain for Frank Gaffney in terms of monetary profits.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:08:59pm |
I am sure that there were Palestinians dancing in the street over news of his firing…
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:09:31pm |
The first and most unmistakable lesson of this affair, therefore, is that it is hazardous to one’s livelihood, if not literally to one’s life, to say anything that is deemed offensive to Muslims.
Missed by a mile. It was an offensive remark about Muslims, but lots of non-Muslims found it offensive too. And stupid.
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Gus Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:09:58pm |
What in hell?
In addition, evidence accumulated by the Center for Security Policy and aggregated at CAIRObservatory.org suggests that CAIR is also in violation of another federal statute: the Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA). FARA was the law used recently to convict and deport 10 Russian spies and agents of influence. And, pursuant to FARA, it would be illegal for CAIR to engage in the kind of influence operation in which it sought, and secured, the punishment of Juan Williams for what shariah would consider to be a slander against Muslims.
Talk about layering the paranoia.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:11:33pm |
I wish I could make millions inspiring stupid people to be afraid of their neighbors.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:12:26pm |
re: #7 Gus 802
What in hell?
Talk about layering the paranoia.
NPR’s CEO explicitly said CAIR had nothing to do with their decision and I don’t see any reason to doubt her. Gaffney doesn’t mention that.
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:13:00pm |
But if her indefensible action winds up helping the rest of us learn what we have to about our enemies, foreign and domestic, with his sacrifice, Juan Williams may just have rendered an incalculable service to his country.
Juan Williams is a HERO!!!11!
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Gus Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:14:06pm |
For crying out loud. That site is like a modern day version of the John Birch Society. Here’s another title:
Voice of America is Supporting Iranian Regime
Big Peace Paranoia
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:20:51pm |
Wow… this is really Goofy… I mean, what a Mouse this guy Gaffney is… so, firing Williams has is following sharia law… which law is that… Is this guy living in Fantastyland or something… he needs to move to the Magic Kingdom if he wants to see real sharia law.
This guy is Buzz Lightyears behind the rest of the world.
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theheat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:20:59pm |
I listen to a lot of old time radio, including many aired during WWII. Some of the pro-America commercials during that time were way, way over the top. But as over the top as they were, we’re experiencing a blast from the past this past decade. We’re all supposed to live in fear, yet be defiant, at the same time. And somehow it’s all patriotic.
I can’t muster the energy to be that afraid and pissed off and take all the hysteria at face value this many years in a row. There needs to be a collective STFU moment.
Juan was fired because of ongoing, repeated, dickdome. Is that really so hard to comprehend?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:24:20pm |
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
Wow… this is really Goofy… I mean, what a Mouse this guy Gaffney is… so, firing Williams has is following sharia law… which law is that… Is this guy living in Fantastyland or something… he needs to move to the Magic Kingdom if he wants to see real sharia law.
This guy is Buzz Lightyears behind the rest of the world.
You enjoy the hell outta yourself, dontchya!!!
:)
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SilentAlfa Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:24:44pm |
Let us suppose for a minute that Juan Williams was a white man and he said that he feels nervous around black people, and that he was just ‘voicing a common concern among many non-racist white Americans’. Would the right-wing have the same reaction as they are now?
(yes)
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Gus Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:25:08pm |
re: #13 theheat
I listen to a lot of old time radio, including many aired during WWII. Some of the pro-America commercials during that time were way, way over the top. But as over the top as they were, we’re experiencing a blast from the past this past decade. We’re all supposed to live in fear, yet be defiant, at the same time. And somehow it’s all patriotic.
I can’t muster the energy to be that afraid and pissed off and take all the hysteria at face value this many years in a row. There needs to be a collective STFU moment.
Juan was fired because of ongoing, repeated, dickdome. Is that really so hard to comprehend?
National Turn-Off Your Computer Day /
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Kragar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:27:10pm |
Palin: Public service should be an honor
So why did she quit?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:28:18pm |
re: #14 sattv4u2
You enjoy the hell outta yourself, dontchya!!!
:)
Yup… I’m here… went to Magic Kingdom this morning real early… got on 12 attractions… got busy about noon, split, now picked up girlfriend, bought her a after 4:00 pm ticket… I can re-enter the Magic Kingdom on my ticket from this morning… so, another trip around the park… they have special hours tonight, midnight for people staying at hotels, so, we get a late night… and then Epcot for about 5 hours in the morning… then home… a lot of having fun in 2 1/2 days.
See you all tomorrow evening… late… from Colorado.
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Gus Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:28:38pm |
re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Palin: Public service should be an honor
So why did she quit?
Love the desperation. Murkowski is coming to get your boy Miller, Palin! /
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:29:38pm |
re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Palin: Public service should be an honor
So why did she quit?
What does Jeb Bush have to say about how public service is an honor and not a family dynasty?
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theheat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:30:40pm |
re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Haven’t you seen her Alaska program commercials? She says she’s rather be out here, bein’ free, than in some stuff old political office. Something like that. (I don’t recall any words that ended with g’s.) Gotta keep it real and folksy, donchya know. No doubt, she would have found the VP position equally stifling to her outdoorsyness and love of freedom.
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Gus Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:31:12pm |
re: #20 ralphieboy
What does Jeb Bush have to say about how public service is an honor and not a family dynasty?
And the Pauls.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:32:30pm |
re: #18 Walter L. Newton
Yup… I’m here… went to Magic Kingdom this morning real early… got on 12 attractions… got busy about noon, split, now picked up girlfriend, bought her a after 4:00 pm ticket… I can re-enter the Magic Kingdom on my ticket from this morning… so, another trip around the park… they have special hours tonight, midnight for people staying at hotels, so, we get a late night… and then Epcot for about 5 hours in the morning… then home… a lot of having fun in 2 1/2 days.
See you all tomorrow evening… late… from Colorado.
Glad you’re enjoying your 2nd childhood!
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Gus Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:33:03pm |
re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Palin: Public service should be an honor
So why did she quit?
Here’s why:
[Link: www.courtrecords.alaska.gov…]
Palin, Sarah DFNDT Closed 1JU-08-00907CI
Palin, Sarah DFNDT Closed 3AN-07-08773CI
Palin, Sarah DFNDT Closed 3AN-08-09823CI
Palin, Sarah DFNDT Closed 3AN-08-10115CI
Palin, Sarah DFNDT Closed 3AN-08-10869CI
Palin, Sarah DFNDT Closed 3AN-08-11289CI
Palin, Sarah DFNDT Closed 3AN-08-11336CI
Palin, Sarah DFNDT Closed 3AN-08-12168CI
Palin, Sarah DFNDT Closed 3AN-09-09005CI
Palin, Sarah DFNDT Closed 3AN-97-01389CI
Palin Ms, Sarah DFNDT 02/11/1964 Closed 3DI-93-00249CR
Palin Ms, Sarah H DFNDT 02/11/1964 Closed 3DI-93-00217CR
Palin, Sarah H DFNDT 02/11/1964 Closed 3PA-04-11212MO
Palin, Sarah Louise PET 02/11/1964 Closed 3AN-10-03201CI
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:35:30pm |
“The Headline reads “GOP Braces for Epidemic ACORN-Style Voter Fraud”,
which trnalates to
“GOP Braces for less-than-hoped-for results”:
[Link: www.newsmax.com…]
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Kragar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:37:36pm |
Newt’s also began hedging his bets;
Gingrich raises concerns about tea party sweep
“They have two oddly opposite risks. They have a risk that they will be so chaotic and so unable to govern that they discredit the brand before the presidential election,” Gingrich says. “And they have the risk that they will sell out in such a way that they will infuriate the base and end up with a genuine third-party Tea movement in 2012. And so they’ve got to somehow balance those two.”
But balance suggests compromise. And that goes against everything the tea party preaches.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:41:37pm |
The first and most unmistakable lesson of this affair, therefore, is that it is hazardous to one’s livelihood, if not literally to one’s life, to say anything that is deemed offensive to Muslims.
That’s funny, I guess the trolls that come in here and say offensive things about Muslims didn’t get the memo.
No, wait—I think I’m getting it wrong—they’re not trolls, they’re actually noble & fearless Keyboard Krusaders who are striving valiantly to save the rest of you dimwits & naifs from the impending horrors dhimmitude.
Or something like that. //
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:43:20pm |
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
Wow… this is really Goofy… I mean, what a Mouse this guy Gaffney is… so, firing Williams has is following sharia law… which law is that… Is this guy living in Fantastyland or something… he needs to move to the Magic Kingdom if he wants to see real sharia law.
This guy is Buzz Lightyears behind the rest of the world.
Aren’t you going to the Magic Kingdom soon? Careful…you’re going to be indoctrinated!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:43:46pm |
re: #28 darthstar
Aren’t you going to the Magic Kingdom soon? Careful…you’re going to be indoctrinated!
see #18 ,, he’s there now
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:45:02pm |
re: #29 sattv4u2
see #18 ,, he’s there now
Hm…I noticed he got a little private time in with Minnie before picking up the girlfriend. Mice with human assets, indeed…
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:46:20pm |
re: #30 darthstar
Hm…I noticed he got a little private time in with Minnie before picking up the girlfriend. Mice with human assets, indeed…
why do you think she wears those gloves??
[Link: fileunderi.blogspot.com…]
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:47:13pm |
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CuriousLurker Mon, Oct 25, 2010 2:53:42pm |
re: #10 wrenchwench
Juan Williams is a HERO!!!11!
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Give that man a martyr cookie! (I baked a special batch of them to celebrate his firing, but don’t tell anyone, okay? Y’know, taqiyyah—I have to maintain the civilized facade at least until we get our Victory Mosque built.)
///
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Ojoe Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:02:22pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:03:06pm |
re: #35 Ojoe
What is Donald Duck’s license plate number?
10 points if you can say.
Quack Up?
Quack Ers?
Bill 1?
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TedStriker Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:04:26pm |
re: #35 Ojoe
What is Donald Duck’s license plate number?
10 points if you can say.
313
/yes, I had to Google that ;-P
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:05:07pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:08:31pm |
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Ojoe Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:10:21pm |
re: #42 sattv4u2
I think some cartoonist years ago just drew it on, probably as a whim.
I bet no-one will ever know who or why.
Maybe some total comic nerd knows the answer, though.
Maybe.
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MinisterO Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:11:18pm |
re: #25 ralphieboy
“The Headline reads “GOP Braces for Epidemic ACORN-Style Voter Fraud”,
which trnalates to
“GOP Braces for less-than-hoped-for results”:
Foxnews.com has been running voter fraud scare stories on its front page. Friday alone featured
“Illegal Immigrants Canvassing for Votes”
“School Gave Students Voters Dem-Only Sample Ballot”
“NY Voter Fraud Goes To Lab”
“Unions Spending Big $$ to Save Dems”
“STOSSEL: Unions, Politicians Rip You Off”
Today we have
“Group: Military Voters May Get Shut Out”
“Not a Citizen - But Allowed to Vote?”
Evidently the viewers are terrified that illegal immigrants and unions are going to steal the election. ACORN is in on it too. Again. Those rat-bastards.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:11:32pm |
Note to Gaffney just because you’ve heard the word Sharia law does not mean you can apply it to every situation involving Muslims. Seriously, this is one of the most stupid things I’ve heard from the anti Muslim nuts all year and we’ve heard a lot of stupid crap rom them.
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TedStriker Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:15:51pm |
re: #43 Ojoe
I think some cartoonist years ago just drew it on, probably as a whim.
I bet no-one will ever know who or why.
Maybe some total comic nerd knows the answer, though.
Maybe.
A couple of things I saw in my Google search makes references that the “313” alludes to Donald’s “birthday”.
[Link: www.simplecodeworks.com…]
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:15:53pm |
Unsigned article defends Steve Emerson from the Tennessean, ending with:
We have continued to pay the price of investigating and combating the threat of radical Islam in the United States, from death threats to being blacklisted to fabricated character assassinations from media apologists for radical Islamic groups. We will not be intimidated and that, with your support, we will continue to expose the danger to our free society posed by radical Muslim groups and the people in the media they manage to fool.
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AntonSirius Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:17:22pm |
Other things that are evidence of stealth jihad:
- the show Outsourced
- the awful start to the season by “America’s Team”, the Dallas Cowboys
- the hiring of Isaiah Mustafa to be an Old Spice pitchman, and his mysteriously huge popularity
- something Joe Biden said once
Look, you fools, you’re in danger! Can’t you see?! They’re after you! They’re after all of us! Our wives, our children, everyone! THEY’RE HERE, ALREADY! YOU’RE NEXT!
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:18:32pm |
re: #48 AntonSirius
Other things that are evidence of stealth jihad:
- the show Outsourced
- the awful start to the season by “America’s Team”, the Dallas Cowboys
- the hiring of Isaiah Mustafa to be an Old Spice pitchman, and his mysteriously huge popularity
- something Joe Biden said onceLook, you fools, you’re in danger! Can’t you see?! They’re after you! They’re after all of us! Our wives, our children, everyone! THEY’RE HERE, ALREADY! YOU’RE NEXT!
Lol.
Dallas.
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Kronocide Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:20:36pm |
It’s hazardous to criticize Muslims unless you have a blog called Atlas Shrugs or Jihadwatch or a hour program on Fox News. In fact Juan probably got a pay raise over this.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:22:17pm |
Gaffney and his ilk want free reign on demonizing Muslims.
The chickenshit should just come out and admit it.
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Linden Arden Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:22:50pm |
Gaffney and John Bolton were nearly separated at conception.
But not quite.
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Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:25:54pm |
Hey all, been away. Has Windy ever shown up?
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3eff Jeff Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:26:18pm |
re: #48 AntonSirius
If Isaiah Mustafa’s Old Spice commercials are wrong, I don’t want to be right.
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TedStriker Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:26:42pm |
re: #48 AntonSirius
Other things that are evidence of stealth jihad:
- the show Outsourced
- the awful start to the season by “America’s Team”, the Dallas Cowboys
- the hiring of Isaiah Mustafa to be an Old Spice pitchman, and his mysteriously huge popularity
- something Joe Biden said onceLook, you fools, you’re in danger! Can’t you see?! They’re after you! They’re after all of us! Our wives, our children, everyone! THEY’RE HERE, ALREADY! YOU’RE NEXT!
You forgot something (!!!11ty) ;-P
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Romantic Heretic Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:27:07pm |
I also made the mistake of reading the comments.
Christ, I thought I was back in the psych ward.
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Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:27:20pm |
re: #54 3eff Jeff
If Isaiah Mustafa’s Old Spice commercials are wrong, I don’t want to be right.
Oh yes.
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Jack Burton Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:28:30pm |
re: #48 AntonSirius
Other things that are evidence of stealth jihad:
- the show Outsourced
- the awful start to the season by “America’s Team”, the Dallas Cowboys
- the hiring of Isaiah Mustafa to be an Old Spice pitchman, and his mysteriously huge popularity
- something Joe Biden said onceLook, you fools, you’re in danger! Can’t you see?! They’re after you! They’re after all of us! Our wives, our children, everyone! THEY’RE HERE, ALREADY! YOU’RE NEXT!
You forgot the Halal food at KFC. OMG! Dogs and Cats living together!
/
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:29:15pm |
re: #48 AntonSirius
We need Jan Michael Vincent and Airwolf! Nobody else in a satin jumpsuit can save us.
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Romantic Heretic Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:30:29pm |
re: #48 AntonSirius
Other things that are evidence of stealth jihad:
- the show Outsourced
- the awful start to the season by “America’s Team”, the Dallas Cowboys
- the hiring of Isaiah Mustafa to be an Old Spice pitchman, and his mysteriously huge popularity
- something Joe Biden said onceLook, you fools, you’re in danger! Can’t you see?! They’re after you! They’re after all of us! Our wives, our children, everyone! THEY’RE HERE, ALREADY! YOU’RE NEXT!
Now I’m imagining two aliens sitting somewhere and one saying to the other, “See how simple it is? Throw them into the dark and they turn on each other. Every time.”
/ sort of.
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palomino Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:31:23pm |
re: #48 AntonSirius
Other things that are evidence of stealth jihad:
- the show Outsourced
- the awful start to the season by “America’s Team”, the Dallas Cowboys
- the hiring of Isaiah Mustafa to be an Old Spice pitchman, and his mysteriously huge popularity
- something Joe Biden said onceLook, you fools, you’re in danger! Can’t you see?! They’re after you! They’re after all of us! Our wives, our children, everyone! THEY’RE HERE, ALREADY! YOU’RE NEXT!
As a born and bred Houstonian, I always hated that Dallas Cowboys “America’s Team” shit. What the hell did that make my Houston Oilers? Mexico’s Team?
We basically felt about the Cowboys the way a Red Sox fan feels about the Yankees.
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engineer cat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:31:33pm |
re: #50 BigPapa
It’s hazardous to criticize Muslims unless you have a blog called Atlas Shrugs or Jihadwatch or a hour program on Fox News. In fact Juan probably got a pay raise over this.
if it wasn’t for people like pammy we wouldn’t be able to get the Very Important Message that we should be afraid of people who Dress Muslim Around Planes
it’s a very patriotic sort of fear
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Kragar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:33:11pm |
re: #59 darthstar
We need Jan Michael Vincent and Airwolf! Nobody else in a satin jumpsuit can save us.
Fun note; the last season of Airwolf was filmed without the helicopter. They couldn’t afford to keep renting it, so they just recycled footage of it from earlier shows.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:33:56pm |
re: #61 palomino
What the hell did that make my Houston Oilers? Mexico’s Team?
It is my sincere belief that the Houston Texans should drop that sissy name and resurrect the team name “Oilers”…yes, I know, the original Oilers are now some girl’s volleball team in Piscataway, but really, Texans? Are they that limited in their ability to think up a team name?
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:33:57pm |
“I’m tired of these motherfucking Muslims on this motherfucking plane!”
-Samuel L. Jackson, Muslims on a Plane
/
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TedStriker Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:35:14pm |
re: #54 3eff Jeff
If Isaiah Mustafa’s Old Spice commercials are wrong, I don’t want to be right.
I love them…all of the current Old Spice commercials with Mustafa and Terry Crews, as well as the Bruce Campbell spots, are funny as hell. The new Ray Lewis commercial, not so much, because I still remember his involvement in that murder case in Atlanta after the 2000 Super Bowl…
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webevintage Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:35:43pm |
re: #25 ralphieboy
“The Headline reads “GOP Braces for Epidemic ACORN-Style Voter Fraud”,
which trnalates to
“GOP Braces for less-than-hoped-for results”:
[Link: www.newsmax.com…]
Well we all saw that coming the moment Dick Armey started bitching that early voting is a way fro “inner city” Democrats to commit voter fraud.
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webevintage Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:36:14pm |
re: #66 talon_262
I love them…all of the current Old Spice commercials with Mustafa and Terry Crews, as well as the Bruce Campbell spots, are funny as hell. The new Ray Lewis commercial, not so much, because I still remember his involvement in that murder case in Atlanta after the 2000 Super Bowl…
Bruce Campbell is a God….
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TedStriker Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:37:41pm |
re: #68 webevintage
Bruce Campbell is a God…
His Old Spice spots are what turned their staid, old image around IMO, not to mention that they’re fucking hilarious, with lots of in-jokes to satisfy.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:40:41pm |
Crazy Pam is off her meds again…
Hamas-Linked Group Wants Freedom Organizations Investigated
Little Green Vomit and the Salon smearers are foaming at the mouth at yesterday’s ridiculous hit piece by The Tennessean’s Bob Smietan, an anti-Israel CAIR lackey. USA today had the story up yesterday but took it down because it was such biased, anti-American propaganda.
The media is all over this disgusting lie like maggots on dead flesh.
…
I have no staff but there organizations that do.
…
I want Media Matters and Think Progress and Soros investigative for funding the overthrow of America.I want an investigation as to who is funding these lawfare lawsuits, litigation jihad, against me and my colleagues.
This is a call to harassment.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:40:50pm |
re: #65 Varek Raith
“I’m tired of these motherfucking Muslims on this motherfucking plane!”
-Samuel L. Jackson, Muslims on a Plane
/
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TedStriker Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:41:08pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:41:52pm |
re: #64 darthstar
It is my sincere belief that the Houston Texans should drop that sissy name and resurrect the team name “Oilers”…yes, I know, the original Oilers are now some girl’s volleball team in Piscataway, but really, Texans? Are they that limited in their ability to think up a team name?
Don’t forget
There was a Dallas Texans WAY before this current incarnation of the Houston club
TWICE
Once in the NFL (in the early 50’s) then again when the AFL was founded in 1960,, which is NOW the Kansas City Chiefs
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Kragar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:42:23pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
Crazy Pam is off her meds again…
Hamas-Linked Group Wants Freedom Organizations Investigated
Looks like someone has had their first gin and mescaline tonic of the day.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:42:40pm |
re: #74 jaunte
All your base r belong to muslims?
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3eff Jeff Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:43:14pm |
re: #66 talon_262
I love them…all of the current Old Spice commercials with Mustafa and Terry Crews, as well as the Bruce Campbell spots, are funny as hell. The new Ray Lewis commercial, not so much, because I still remember his involvement in that murder case in Atlanta after the 2000 Super Bowl…
The Bruce Campbell spots are awesome. P&G has done a lot of good ads for that brand. It’s a really odd standout.
(I don’t know whether any of them affected my purchasing decisions, but I do own and use their aftershave.)
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:43:32pm |
re: #74 jaunte
She wants everybody from CAIR, Media Matters and George Soros thrown in jail for un-American Activities.
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TedStriker Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:43:39pm |
re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Looks like someone has had their first gin and mescaline tonic of the day.
Never underestimate the power of laudanum…
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:43:51pm |
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:44:45pm |
re: #73 sattv4u2
Nobody ever accused people from Dallas of being creative.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:45:18pm |
re: #79 Killgore Trout
She wants everybody from CAIR, Media Matters and George Soros thrown in jail for un-American Activities.
Think Progress too.
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3eff Jeff Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:45:53pm |
re: #80 talon_262
Never underestimate the power of laudanum…
Or Cocaine cut with Aripiprazole and Fluoxetine.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:46:56pm |
Juan Williams firing is evidence of “of submission to shariah.” the same way Helen Thomas’ was proof that America is firmly under the thumb of the Zionists….
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:47:26pm |
re: #85 3eff Jeff
Or Cocaine cut with Aripiprazole and Fluoxetine.
That reminds me…never, and I mean NEVER, take Ambien and Viagra together…unless you’re a Republican running for office.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:47:53pm |
re: #86 jamesfirecat
Juan Williams firing is evidence of “of submission to shariah.” the same way Helen Thomas’ was proof that America is firmly under the thumb of the Zionists…
Sharionists…I knew it!
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Kragar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:47:56pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:48:19pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:50:19pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:51:13pm |
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Kragar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:51:17pm |
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jaunte Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:51:28pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
…the real objective is to discourage the folks contributing funds to these scattered efforts to stave off the onslaught of leftist/Islamic totalitarianism. How these Islamic supremacists must laugh at their leftwing slaves.
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]
Something slightly off about that pairing… hmmm.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:51:50pm |
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:51:55pm |
Sheriff Joe Arpaio gettin’ jiggy with Sistah Sarah!
That’s some R-Rated twitter there, Joe.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:53:17pm |
re: #96 darthstar
Sheriff Joe Arpaio gettin’ jiggy with Sistah Sarah!
That’s some R-Rated twitter there, Joe.
And she’s flashing him a little tongue…
[Link: twitpic.com…]
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Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:53:55pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:53:55pm |
re: #96 darthstar
Sheriff Joe Arpaio gettin’ jiggy with Sistah Sarah!
That’s some R-Rated twitter there, Joe.
Lol…
Don’t.
Need.
That.
Image.
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3eff Jeff Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:54:22pm |
re: #96 darthstar
Sheriff Joe Arpaio gettin’ jiggy with Sistah Sarah!
That’s some R-Rated twitter there, Joe.
What were you just saying about viagra and ambien?
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:56:19pm |
re: #100 3eff Jeff
What were you just saying about viagra and ambien?
I know…isn’t it amazing the weird shit that makes a person do?
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:56:49pm |
Since we’re probably gonna quote the whole stupid thing…
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 3:57:17pm |
Someone needs to tell Sheriff Joe that fundamentalists only wear these:
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webevintage Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:00:27pm |
re: #96 darthstar
Sheriff Joe Arpaio gettin’ jiggy with Sistah Sarah!
That’s some R-Rated twitter there, Joe.
WTH?
That’s not a joke twitter account?
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:00:54pm |
re: #103 darthstar
Someone needs to tell Sheriff Joe that fundamentalists only wear these:
You know about weird stuff…
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:03:47pm |
re: #104 webevintage
WTH?
That’s not a joke twitter account?
He makes the prisoners in Phoenix wear pink underwear. They also sell them in shops to tourists.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:04:50pm |
re: #106 Killgore Trout
He makes the prisoners in Phoenix wear pink underwear. They also sell them in shops to tourists.
You know there could be a Bristol Palin Jailbait joke in there somewhere….
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:05:38pm |
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:08:06pm |
I am so digging Pandora. I’ve jumped headlong into Jazz and am discovering guys like Red Garland, Oscar Peterson, and Art Tatum.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:08:22pm |
America’s favorite half term governor with the man who is probably America’s most crooked sheriff together.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:10:44pm |
re: #110 HappyWarrior
America’s favorite half term governor with the man who is probably America’s most crooked sheriff together.
This sounds like a job for Leverage Consulting & Associates….
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:11:51pm |
re: #111 jamesfirecat
This sounds like a job for Leverage Consulting & Associates…
Heh…I like that show.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:13:33pm |
re: #112 darthstar
Heh…I like that show.
The only problem is they already had a Sarah Palin send up in the Underground job….
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stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:14:16pm |
re: #15 SilentAlfa
Let us suppose for a minute that Juan Williams was a white man and he said that he feels nervous around black people, and that he was just ‘voicing a common concern among many non-racist white Americans’. Would the right-wing have the same reaction as they are now?
(yes)
Actually when President Obama said almost the same thing about how his Grandmother reacted to black people during an interview on WIP in Philadelphia during the campaign, those on the right called him out as racist and those on the left ignored it.
Partisan, both of them. Have at least a little honesty.
Oh, and I did indeed link a hate site as proof, one that seems to now have traction here.
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prairiefire Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:16:37pm |
re: #109 eclectic infidel
I am so digging Pandora. I’ve jumped headlong into Jazz and am discovering guys like Red Garland, Oscar Peterson, and Art Tatum.
Que es Pandora?
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:18:51pm |
re: #115 prairiefire
Que es Pandora?
It’s an internet music server…you’re far better off getting one of these portable 8 track players.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:21:08pm |
re: #114 stonemason
Actually when President Obama said almost the same thing about how his Grandmother reacted to black people during an interview on WIP in Philadelphia during the campaign, those on the right called him out as racist and those on the left ignored it.
Partisan, both of them. Have at least a little honesty.
Oh, and I did indeed link a hate site as proof, one that seems to now have traction here.
Is it acceptable/common practice to down ding someone for calling Huff Po a hate site?
Ehh what the hell have a red mark for claiming that LGF is giving traction to a Anti-Semetic hate site….
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:22:14pm |
re: #114 stonemason
Actually when President Obama said almost the same thing about how his Grandmother reacted to black people during an interview on WIP in Philadelphia during the campaign, those on the right called him out as racist and those on the left ignored it.
Partisan, both of them. Have at least a little honesty.
Oh, and I did indeed link a hate site as proof, one that seems to now have traction here.
“”The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know (pause) there’s a reaction in her that doesn’t go away and it comes out in the wrong way.”“
Also
Doesn’t Know != Black
Truefax!
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rwdflynavy Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:24:21pm |
re: #117 jamesfirecat
Is it acceptable/common practice to down ding someone for calling Huff Po a hate site?
Ehh what the hell have a red mark for claiming that LGF is giving traction to a Anti-Semetic hate site…
If the anti-semitic rant fits….
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Winny Spencer Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:24:26pm |
OT: I bought new, specially designed, super duper darts last week and have since, with both great frustration and bulldog tenacity, been practicing with them. Today, I have finally found my range and have adapted my throwing to these darts’s unique weight and shape.
Now I’m hitting 140’s for fun, and occasionally 180’s.
I’m so happy, and if there are any darts aficionados here, you’ll understand.
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BishopX Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:25:01pm |
re: #115 prairiefire
It’s the monetized version of the music genome project. Basically they, the music genome project, took a whole bunch of songs (800,000+) and build a database of their defining characteristics. Pandora is an internet radio site that lets you create your own radio station based on certain songs or artists.
Pandora then does a whole bunch of stuff in the background and comes up with songs it things you will like based on your seeded songs/artists. You can like/dislike each song as it comes up, two dislikes of the same artist will stop it from suggesting a third piece.
It’s free (with some ads) for up to 40 hours a month. There is an unlimited ad free subscription service as well.
Pandora got me through college in terms of music. Good stuff.
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palomino Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:25:52pm |
re: #64 darthstar
It is my sincere belief that the Houston Texans should drop that sissy name and resurrect the team name “Oilers”…yes, I know, the original Oilers are now some girl’s volleball team in Piscataway, but really, Texans? Are they that limited in their ability to think up a team name?
Good point. Not only is Texans the least imaginative name in the NFL, but Texans was actually the name of the Dallas AFL team back in the early 60s.
Only deep seated self-loathing could explain such actions.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:25:56pm |
re: #119 rwdflynavy
If the anti-semitic rant fits…
The thing that tipped it for me was the “one that seems to now have traction here.” Comment.
If nothing else this smacks of “WAAAAHHH LGF was better before the liberals came!”
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:27:46pm |
re: #114 stonemason
Oh, and I did indeed link a hate site as proof, one that seems to now have traction here.
Sure, a lot of the casual commenters there are indeed hateful and stupid, and they do run some ridiculous stories from time to time, but it’s not exactly like you’re linking to VDare or Atlas, is it?
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stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:28:09pm |
re: #118 jamesfirecat
“”The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know (pause) there’s a reaction in her that doesn’t go away and it comes out in the wrong way.”“
Also
Doesn’t Know != Black
Truefax!
He was answering a question from Angelo about this statement: “…but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”
Nice try.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:28:17pm |
re: #122 palomino
Good point. Not only is Texans the least imaginative name in the NFL, but Texans was actually the name of the Dallas AFL team back in the early 60s.
Only deep seated self-loathing could explain such actions.
There was even one before that
see #73
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:30:19pm |
re: #115 prairiefire
Que es Pandora?
Pandora Radio is an automated music recommendation service and custodian of the Music Genome Project. Users enter a song or artist that they enjoy, and the service responds by playing selections that are musically similar. Users provide feedback on approval or disapproval of individual songs, which Pandora takes into account for future selections.
see: [Link: www.pandora.com…]
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:30:57pm |
re: #127 eclectic infidel
Pandora Radio is an automated music recommendation service and custodian of the Music Genome Project. Users enter a song or artist that they enjoy, and the service responds by playing selections that are musically similar. Users provide feedback on approval or disapproval of individual songs, which Pandora takes into account for future selections.
see: [Link: www.pandora.com…]
I highly recommend it. Even slow dsl speeds can handle the streaming.
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stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:31:27pm |
never been to Vdare, can’t compare that, but if Atlas qualifies as hate, then so does Huffpo. Pretty simple really, can’t say one isn’t ‘cause you agree with the hate.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:31:51pm |
re: #125 stonemason
He was answering a question from Angelo about this statement: “…but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”
Nice try.
Well then Tis a fair cop on the issue of what he said in relation to that particular situation.
Can we back this discussion up a bit you make what conclusions you’re trying to draw with this particular bit of proof though?
Because I think I know what you were trying to drive at, but feel it would be insulting for me to put words in your mouth at the moment.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:32:32pm |
the thing that makes me scratch my head is that IF a person was actually a terrorist, I think they would do their best to blend in with the crowd…
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palomino Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:33:56pm |
re: #126 sattv4u2
There was even one before that
see #73
So sad for Houston. They’ve recycled the Texans name twice? Why have a constant reminder of Dallas football organizations?
Part of it is that bastard Bud Adams, the owner of the former Oilers (now Titans). He still owns the right to the name Oilers and won’t give it up out of spite, IIRC. Unlike the Browns (whose old team moved to Bal. and became the Ravens), where Cleveland was able to get the Browns name back for their new franchise.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:34:19pm |
Mean Jean Schmidt rears her ugly head…again, only this time to scare the crap out of first-graders with a detailed description of abortion.
According to two credible sources close to parents at the school, Congresswoman Schmidt appeared as a speaker to a group of students–the youngest of the students being in first grade. Immediately following her normal “day in the life of a Congresswoman” presentation, Schmidt jumped off topic saying “I’m going to get political for a moment.” She immediately launched into a rather graphic discussion about abortion. Students, teachers, and parents stood in complete shock at what they were hearing.
[Link: www.ohiodailyblog.com…]
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:34:31pm |
re: #129 stonemason
never been to Vdare, can’t compare that, but if Atlas qualifies as hate, then so does Huffpo. Pretty simple really, can’t say one isn’t ‘cause you agree with the hate.
You just pinged my MBF radar.
I’ve spent some time at HuffPo just to look at the Jon Stewart Articles and if there is hate then it wasn’t directly obvious.
Have you seen some of the stuff Atlas Publishes?
That my friend is deep fat fried, and double dipped in battered hate.
If nothing else the Hate of Huffpo is probably more dilluted since than that of Atlas….
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:35:05pm |
re: #129 stonemason
never been to Vdare, can’t compare that, but if Atlas qualifies as hate, then so does Huffpo. Pretty simple really, can’t say one isn’t ‘cause you agree with the hate.
I don’t really visit Huffpo, but I don’t recall them going full on crazy hate the way Geller does nearly all the damn time. If you have an example of that, please feel free to link it.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:35:08pm |
re: #129 stonemason
never been to Vdare, can’t compare that, but if Atlas qualifies as hate, then so does Huffpo. Pretty simple really, can’t say one isn’t ‘cause you agree with the hate.
What makes Huffpo hateful are the comments. Sometimes the articles are very on point and even Charles has linked to a few from time to time. VDare is openly racist while Huffpo makes no bones about being the progressive alternative on the Internet. I don’t see how the two can be compared.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:35:26pm |
re: #131 brookly red
the thing that makes me scratch my head is that IF a person was actually a terrorist, I think they would do their best to blend in with the crowd…
Head and Shoulders
Selsen Blue
Shave your skull!
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brookly red Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:36:12pm |
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stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:36:23pm |
re: #130 jamesfirecat
That people on the left make overreaching racial statements and are given a pass by the left, just as those on the right who are guilty of making overreaching statements are given a pass by the right.
The difference here is though, the left considered what Mr. Obama said as ‘speaking the hard truth.’
Should Williams have lied? is it better when people lie about perceptions? Wouldn’t it be better if those who do not wish to kill the infidel began to really understand how the radicals scare the crap out of the rest of the world?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:36:58pm |
re: #132 palomino
So sad for Houston. They’ve recycled the Texans name twice? Why have a constant reminder of Dallas football organizations?
Part of it is that bastard Bud Adams, the owner of the former Oilers (now Titans). He still owns the right to the name Oilers and won’t give it up out of spite, IIRC. Unlike the Browns (whose old team moved to Bal. and became the Ravens), where Cleveland was able to get the Browns name back for their new franchise.
Actually, both “Texans” teams were based in Dallas
One, back in the early 50’s (the NFL)
Then, at the start of the AFL,, who later became the KC Chiefs
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engineer cat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:37:02pm |
LATINA magazine this month:
- your mami hates your man - how to deal
- the political passions of latina republicans
- what to tell your guy about how much money you make
gag me con cuchara
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:37:03pm |
re: #136 eclectic infidel
What makes Huffpo hateful are the comments. Sometimes the articles are very on point and even Charles has linked to a few from time to time. VDare is openly racist while Huffpo makes no bones about being the progressive alternative on the Internet. I don’t see how the two can be compared.
Sorry, meant to write that about Atlas. The whole VDare thing got me in a tizzy. A rare moment of chaotic thought for me.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:37:49pm |
re: #139 stonemason
Query: Did you stick up for Helen Thomas when she opened her big, fat, stupid mouth?
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Vambo Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:37:56pm |
re: #124 Slumbering Behemoth
Sure, a lot of the casual commenters there are indeed hateful and stupid, and they do run some ridiculous stories from time to time, but it’s not exactly like you’re linking to VDare or Atlas, is it?
but it’s librul, so it’s way worse.
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palomino Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:38:37pm |
re: #131 brookly red
the thing that makes me scratch my head is that IF a person was actually a terrorist, I think they would do their best to blend in with the crowd…
They do. The 9/11 hijackers were dressed like businessmen.
Same is true for those fortunately inept terrorist wannabes like the underwear bomber and the attempted Times Sq bomber.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:38:58pm |
re: #143 Slumbering Behemoth
Query: Did you stick up for Helen Thomas when she opened her big, fat, stupid mouth?
Query; Did you slam her before she did?
sorry ,, just sayin!
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:39:09pm |
re: #18 Walter L. Newton
Yup… I’m here… went to Magic Kingdom this morning real early… got on 12 attractions… got busy about noon, split, now picked up girlfriend, bought her a after 4:00 pm ticket… I can re-enter the Magic Kingdom on my ticket from this morning… so, another trip around the park… they have special hours tonight, midnight for people staying at hotels, so, we get a late night… and then Epcot for about 5 hours in the morning… then home… a lot of having fun in 2 1/2 days.
See you all tomorrow evening… late… from Colorado.
Beware of the Tinkerbell!!!!
//sorta
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stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:39:57pm |
re: #143 Slumbering Behemoth
Query: Did you stick up for Helen Thomas when she opened her big, fat, stupid mouth?
Nope, and I have not ‘stuck up’ for Williams either.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:40:07pm |
re: #139 stonemason
That people on the left make overreaching racial statements and are given a pass by the left, just as those on the right who are guilty of making overreaching statements are given a pass by the right.
The difference here is though, the left considered what Mr. Obama said as ‘speaking the hard truth.’
Should Williams have lied? is it better when people lie about perceptions? Wouldn’t it be better if those who do not wish to kill the infidel began to really understand how the radicals scare the crap out of the rest of the world?
The problem is that last time I checked neither Blacks nor Whites are especially in danger getting slammed by the public as a whole.
Muslims at the moment however are getting the short end of the stick in America today like precious few groups ever had and so we should not be giving public voice all but baseless concerns about them, since it helps legitimize hatred and fear.
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Vambo Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:42:02pm |
re: #129 stonemason
never been to Vdare, can’t compare that, but if Atlas qualifies as hate, then so does Huffpo. Pretty simple really, can’t say one isn’t ‘cause you agree with the hate.
Wut? AtlasShrugged = HuffPo???
I somehow missed the never-ending stream of posts about the Jewish conspiracy…
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:42:17pm |
re: #144 Vambo
I honestly don’t give two figs for Huffpo. They don’t moderate the site nearly as well as they should, and it’s obvious that they know how stupid and hateful much of their commenters are when they run stories about conservatives/republicans who are having health problems and need to lock out comments for those stories.
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jaunte Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:42:30pm |
re: #139 stonemason
That people on the left make overreaching racial statements and are given a pass by the left, just as those on the right who are guilty of making overreaching statements are given a pass by the right.
The difference here is though, the left considered what Mr. Obama said as ‘speaking the hard truth.’
Should Williams have lied? is it better when people lie about perceptions? Wouldn’t it be better if those who do not wish to kill the infidel began to really understand how the radicals scare the crap out of the rest of the world?
Williams was bound by his contract with NPR not to express opinions that would cast doubt on his objectivity as a journalist. He’s free to say whatever he feels, just not to be paid by NPR for saying it.
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palomino Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:42:46pm |
re: #140 sattv4u2
Actually, both “Texans” teams were based in Dallas
One, back in the early 50’s (the NFL)
Then, at the start of the AFL,, who later became the KC Chiefs
Yeah, I got that. It’s why it’s even more embarrassing for Houston as a city—that they would recycle a name already used twice by their hated foe. It’s as if they’re so ego-deficient that they have to mimic what Dallas does. Which is humiliating as Houston has always had an inferiority complex towards Dallas.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:42:53pm |
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:43:12pm |
re: #65 Varek Raith
“I’m tired of these motherfucking Muslims on this motherfucking plane!”
-Samuel L. Jackson, Muslims on a Plane
/
Sheikhs on a Plane
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:43:31pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:43:40pm |
re: #148 stonemason
Nope, and I have not ‘stuck up’ for Williams either.
Sorry, it kinda sounded like you were.
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Ojoe Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:44:11pm |
re: #46 talon_262
A couple of things I saw in my Google search makes references that the “313” alludes to Donald’s “birthday”.
[Link: www.simplecodeworks.com…]
What a fabulous find !
I bookmarked it!
Thanks !
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Obdicut Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:46:16pm |
re: #148 stonemason
Do you understand that the equivalent example of someone on the ‘left’ would be Helen Thomas, and that she was fired after saying something antisemitic?
The Obama comparison simply doesn’t work.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:46:29pm |
I think some of us are so spoiled with how awesome LGF is, that we tend to forget how crappy other sites are, on both sides of the political spectrum.
I know I am.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:47:28pm |
re: #156 sattv4u2
I think “crackpot harpy-ist” would be the appropriate term here.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:47:39pm |
re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth
I think some of us are so spoiled with how awesome LGF is, that we tend to forget how crappy other sites are, on both sides of the political spectrum.
I know I am.
Truly we are the third political website that was “just right”
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:49:42pm |
re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth
I think some of us are so spoiled with how awesome LGF is, that we tend to forget how crappy other sites are, on both sides of the political spectrum.
I know I am.
I’m just here for the free chips and salsa!
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Vambo Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:50:53pm |
re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth
I honestly don’t give two figs for Huffpo. They don’t moderate the site nearly as well as they should, and it’s obvious that they know how stupid and hateful much of their commenters are when they run stories about conservatives/republicans who are having health problems and need to lock out comments for those stories.
I never look at HuffPo anymore… as it was said, it’s become pretty diluted. The comments are always horrible but the columns are a mix of good and bad contributors. I think I saw something from Karl Rove posted there recently. Anyone who calls it an “anti-Semitic hate site” has never spent more than 10 seconds browsing.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:55:08pm |
re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth
I honestly don’t give two figs for Huffpo. They don’t moderate the site nearly as well as they should, and it’s obvious that they know how stupid and hateful much of their commenters are when they run stories about conservatives/republicans who are having health problems and need to lock out comments for those stories.
The thing that chaps my ass about HuffPo is that they are absolutely in love with anti-vax hysteria, homeopathy, and other deleterious nonsense.
Examples:
Skin cancer is a conspiracy propped up by the extremely lucrative sunscreen industry
Got the swine flu? Treat it with an enema.
There was a nutter at HuffPo once who insisted that chiropractic was the sure-fire cure for swine flu.
I cringe every time I see a link to an article at Huffington Post. Sometimes, it’s a thoroughly sane and thoughtful article by a demonstrably non-crazy person, but the guilt-by-association is really hard for me to get past.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:56:32pm |
re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth
I honestly don’t give two figs for Huffpo. They don’t moderate the site nearly as well as they should, and it’s obvious that they know how stupid and hateful much of their commenters are when they run stories about
conservatives/republicans who are having health problemsIsrael and need to lock out comments for those stories.
FTFY
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:56:37pm |
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lostlakehiker Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:57:07pm |
re: #2 iossarian
I’m an oppressed straight white male! I’m an oppressed straight white male!
WHY IS NO-ONE TAKING ME SERIOUSLY???
Almost all of the kvetching about being oppressed is thinly grounded in fact. Coming from your tongue-in-cheek avatar, or O’Donnell, or Professor Gates.
Almost everyone gets some decent approximation to a fair shake in the job market. Outside of a raft of failed school systems that are run perversely, [e.g. DC, which, by the will of the voters, has now abandoned desperately need reforms] almost everyone gets some sort of chance at a good education, even if they’re not admitted to their first choice school.
Obstacles to advancement exist, and a lot of people are stuck a rung or two below where they’d get in a perfectly fair world, while others scramble a couple rungs higher, courtesy of favoritism or luck. A tiny handful wind up as Senator when they should never have been dogcatcher.
But the world is not upside down. Where we get is partly the result of blind chance, partly the result of privilege or prejudice, partly a result of missing opportunities in consequence of being born into the wrong state and the wrong school district, and yet, more than anything else, it’s a product of our own talents and effort.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:57:21pm |
re: #162 jamesfirecat
Truly we are the third political website that was “just right”
Now if some of the lurkers would just come out and play.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:58:09pm |
re: #165 negativ
You wouldn’t see our host running with kook bullshit stories like that.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:59:09pm |
re: #167 Slumbering Behemoth
All I got is beer, dude. And you can’t have any.
/you probably wouldn’t want it anyhow…
Could be worse!!
[Link: www.rustycans.com…]
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:59:13pm |
re: #170 Slumbering Behemoth
Except, perhaps, as a target for mockery and derision.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:00:48pm |
re: #170 Slumbering Behemoth
You wouldn’t see our host running with kook bullshit stories like that.
true that…
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Stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:03:15pm |
re: #149 jamesfirecat
The problem is that last time I checked neither Blacks nor Whites are especially in danger getting slammed by the public as a whole.
Muslims at the moment however are getting the short end of the stick in America today like precious few groups ever had and so we should not be giving public voice all but baseless concerns about them, since it helps legitimize hatred and fear.
Now I guess I have to stick up for Williams. He didn’t slam Muslims as a whole, he said that those who dress in muslim garb and identify first as muslims are the ones who scare him. No, I don’t have the full quotes, they’ve been beaten to death.
He said something stupid, yup he did, and I have to take NPR’s word that it was an offense worth firing over…that part I do not care about.
What is the truth though? Really? What if a British citizen had said the same thing about an Irish citizen back in the ‘70’s?
Look, we are not at war with Islam, but there are many, many ‘islamists’ at war with us.
I can’t find the direct quotes, but the leaders in SOmalia were using the term ‘islamist’ to describe what we in the west call “Al-Queda Millitants”, those leaders were calling for help from the UN, the quotes were all over the BBC radio over the weekend.
The dialouge shouldn’t be about whether Williams is a bigot or not, that’s deflection from the real truth, that there are millions (1% radicalized is 10 million) of people who hate the lifestyle of America and have killed many innocent people for that reason alone.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:07:26pm |
re: #174 Stonemason
Now I guess I have to stick up for Williams. He didn’t slam Muslims as a whole, he said that those who dress in muslim garb and identify first as muslims are the ones who scare him. No, I don’t have the full quotes, they’ve been beaten to death.
He said something stupid, yup he did, and I have to take NPR’s word that it was an offense worth firing over…that part I do not care about.
What is the truth though? Really? What if a British citizen had said the same thing about an Irish citizen back in the ‘70’s?
Look, we are not at war with Islam, but there are many, many ‘islamists’ at war with us.
I can’t find the direct quotes, but the leaders in SOmalia were using the term ‘islamist’ to describe what we in the west call “Al-Queda Millitants”, those leaders were calling for help from the UN, the quotes were all over the BBC radio over the weekend.
The dialouge shouldn’t be about whether Williams is a bigot or not, that’s deflection from the real truth, that there are millions (1% radicalized is 10 million) of people who hate the lifestyle of America and have killed many innocent people for that reason alone.
all true, but as a rule the guy trying to break into your house probably isn’t wearing a striped sweater & mugsy cap… the way I see it he took heat for having an irrational fear. sad really.
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bratwurst Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:07:30pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:07:42pm |
re: #174 Stonemason
The bottom line is that being afraid of someone’s outfit is stupid. Jihad attacks is the West are not done by Muslims wearing burkas or Islamist clothing.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:08:12pm |
re: #174 Stonemason
Now I guess I have to stick up for Williams. He didn’t slam Muslims as a whole, he said that those who dress in muslim garb and identify first as muslims are the ones who scare him. No, I don’t have the full quotes, they’ve been beaten to death.
He said something stupid, yup he did, and I have to take NPR’s word that it was an offense worth firing over…that part I do not care about.
What is the truth though? Really? What if a British citizen had said the same thing about an Irish citizen back in the ‘70’s?
Look, we are not at war with Islam, but there are many, many ‘islamists’ at war with us.
I can’t find the direct quotes, but the leaders in SOmalia were using the term ‘islamist’ to describe what we in the west call “Al-Queda Millitants”, those leaders were calling for help from the UN, the quotes were all over the BBC radio over the weekend.
The dialouge shouldn’t be about whether Williams is a bigot or not, that’s deflection from the real truth, that there are millions (1% radicalized is 10 million) of people who hate the lifestyle of America and have killed many innocent people for that reason alone.
Regardless of if Islamists are at war with us or not, the fact that a dangerously high number of Americans see something wrong with members of this Religion (see not just opposition to the Park 51 Project but also to idea of Muslim’s building places they can worship in drastically less controvertial places) should be a warning sign to anyone who speaks from a position of power, if they love America as a land of Freedom for all and a great melting pot, now is not the time to say anything with anti-muslim bias just because it is how they feel….
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Vambo Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:08:21pm |
re: #174 Stonemason
Look, we are not at war with Islam, but there are many, many ‘islamists’ at war with us.I can’t find the direct quotes, but the leaders in SOmalia were using the term ‘islamist’ to describe what we in the west call “Al-Queda Millitants”, those leaders were calling for help from the UN, the quotes were all over the BBC radio over the weekend.
The dialouge shouldn’t be about whether Williams is a bigot or not, that’s deflection from the real truth, that there are millions (1% radicalized is 10 million) of people who hate the lifestyle of America and have killed many innocent people for that reason alone.
I could’ve sworn the issue was that Williams made a bunch of sketchy, opinionated comments in the past, with this one being the tip of the iceberg, hence his dismissal. But OK!
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Stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:08:53pm |
re: #159 Obdicut
Do you understand that the equivalent example of someone on the ‘left’ would be Helen Thomas, and that she was fired after saying something antisemitic?
The Obama comparison simply doesn’t work.
Sorry, yes it does. I don’t care that Williams was fired, NPR can handle staffing any way they please. I was pointing out that there was a disconnect, as usual, in accepting that both sides of any political spectrum will give a pass to stupid statements made by one of their own.
Of course in this case, Williams is more left than right, but he made a statement many on the right agree with, just as when Mr. Obama made the racist statement that his grandmother was a ‘typical white person’ for using racial epithets or crossing the street and the left generally agreed with him.
But again, the discussion should be around how to get past that crap, not how much of a bigot Williams is, but how to explain to the non-radicalized muslims that this fear is real, palpable, and needs to be addressed, loudly, by their leaders.
Instead of denouncing Williams, how about denouncing the muslims that do the crap that creates the fear in the first place?
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:09:32pm |
re: #174 Stonemason
Now I guess I have to stick up for Williams. He didn’t slam Muslims as a whole, he said that those who dress in muslim garb and identify first as muslims are the ones who scare him. No, I don’t have the full quotes, they’ve been beaten to death.
He said something stupid, yup he did, and I have to take NPR’s word that it was an offense worth firing over…that part I do not care about.
What is the truth though? Really? What if a British citizen had said the same thing about an Irish citizen back in the ‘70’s?
Look, we are not at war with Islam, but there are many, many ‘islamists’ at war with us.
I can’t find the direct quotes, but the leaders in SOmalia were using the term ‘islamist’ to describe what we in the west call “Al-Queda Millitants”, those leaders were calling for help from the UN, the quotes were all over the BBC radio over the weekend.
The dialouge shouldn’t be about whether Williams is a bigot or not, that’s deflection from the real truth, that there are millions (1% radicalized is 10 million) of people who hate the lifestyle of America and have killed many innocent people for that reason alone.
This wasn’t the reason he was fired, it was simply one incident of many and just happened to be the last one before he was fired.
So, those of you who want to excuse Williams, stop claiming he was fired for this one incident, its disingenuous.
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jaunte Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:09:54pm |
re: #174 Stonemason
The dialouge shouldn’t be about whether Williams is a bigot or not, that’s deflection from the real truth, that there are millions (1% radicalized is 10 million) of people who hate the lifestyle of America and have killed many innocent people for that reason alone.
It’s not rational to fear 100% of a group over the actions of less than 1%.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:10:11pm |
re: #180 Stonemason
Sorry, yes it does. I don’t care that Williams was fired, NPR can handle staffing any way they please. I was pointing out that there was a disconnect, as usual, in accepting that both sides of any political spectrum will give a pass to stupid statements made by one of their own.
Of course in this case, Williams is more left than right, but he made a statement many on the right agree with, just as when Mr. Obama made the racist statement that his grandmother was a ‘typical white person’ for using racial epithets or crossing the street and the left generally agreed with him.
But again, the discussion should be around how to get past that crap, not how much of a bigot Williams is, but how to explain to the non-radicalized muslims that this fear is real, palpable, and needs to be addressed, loudly, by their leaders.
Instead of denouncing Williams, how about denouncing the muslims that do the crap that creates the fear in the first place?
He only quantified her as a typical white person in regards to her having a fear of people she hadn’t met.
Not in regards to her racial epithets….
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:12:32pm |
Awesome. I’m whipping that one out the next time someone tries to tell me Intelligent Design is just as valid a theory as evolution.
Oh, the things you can find on the internets…
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:12:34pm |
re: #180 Stonemason
Instead of denouncing Williams, how about denouncing the muslims that do the crap that creates the fear in the first place?
You’d have to be pretty blind to not see that has been done many times. How about we avoid the false dichotomy and denounce them both.
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Stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:13:27pm |
re: #177 Killgore Trout
The bottom line is that being afraid of someone’s outfit is stupid. Jihad attacks is the West are not done by Muslims wearing burkas or Islamist clothing.
Right, exactly, bingo, spot on, they are simply carried out by muslims.
Now, see what happened there? Those attacks are carried out by followers of islam, but not all muslims are terrorists.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:13:39pm |
re: #180 Stonemason
Sorry, yes it does. I don’t care that Williams was fired, NPR can handle staffing any way they please. I was pointing out that there was a disconnect, as usual, in accepting that both sides of any political spectrum will give a pass to stupid statements made by one of their own.
Of course in this case, Williams is more left than right, but he made a statement many on the right agree with, just as when Mr. Obama made the racist statement that his grandmother was a ‘typical white person’ for using racial epithets or crossing the street and the left generally agreed with him.
But again, the discussion should be around how to get past that crap, not how much of a bigot Williams is, but how to explain to the non-radicalized muslims that this fear is real, palpable, and needs to be addressed, loudly, by their leaders.
Instead of denouncing Williams, how about denouncing the muslims that do the crap that creates the fear in the first place?
But since you asked so nicely…
Ahem, I hearby as a catnip smoking liberal denounce all those who would attempt to use acts of violence as way of promotion their political agendas be they unionists beating up scabs, “pro life” demonstrators attacking abortionists who are only trying to practice their legal craft and help women out of a horrible bind, or Muslim jihadists trying to reshape the world into whatever bizzare dream they imagine it can be.
That said, how would you feel if I said “every time I see someone with a pro life bumper sticker, sign or t-shirt, inside a hospital I feel a shiver go up my spine?”
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brookly red Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:14:20pm |
re: #185 b_sharp
You’d have to be pretty blind to not see that has been done many times. How about we avoid the false dichotomy and denounce them both.
/denounce em all! let God sort it out.
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avanti Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:15:17pm |
Looks like the death of LGF is near according to the stalkers, but than again, they have predicted it more than the second coming. Apparently they want to hasten the predicted demise, hence this part of a thread:
“You want to fuck with johnson? Refresh his page 100,000 times a day, and encourage others to do so. Hits are what are going to kill him now, empty hits that steal money from his pocket and do nothing to help him in his dilemma. Link to him as much as you can. You aren’t hurting him by not giving him links- eat up his bandwidth and cost him money. Hotlink his images in places where they will get the most exposure (reloads). Blind link his blog like a rickroll, all over the place.
Drain him dry. The sooner he feels the pain, the sooner this canker sore will be gone from the internet, the final flounce, he will go out in a blaze of anger and bitterness, with a final blog post damning everyone.
My god, that will be a sweet plum to savor! “
The hate is strong there.
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Stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:15:18pm |
re: #178 jamesfirecat
now is not the time to say anything with anti-muslim bias just because it is how they feel…
Interesting, will there ever be a time when people can say things that might not make muslims happy?
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engineer cat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:16:31pm |
re: #177 Killgore Trout
The bottom line is that being afraid of someone’s outfit is stupid. Jihad attacks is the West are not done by Muslims wearing burkas or Islamist clothing.
i don’t really believe that williams was just “expressing” an irrational fear of people dressed in muslim attire on planes - as K.T. says, people who intend to carry out terrorist attacks don’t telegraph their intentions by drawing attention to themselves
i see it as part of the campaign of making it ok to be prejudiced against muslims in general, thinly disguised as a hypothetically acceptable and rational fear
that, and his ridiculous remark about the first lady as “stokely carmichal in a dress”, mark williams as a rabble rouser
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:17:28pm |
re: #189 avanti
Looks like the death of LGF is near according to the stalkers, but than again, they have predicted it more than the second coming. Apparently they want to hasten the predicted demise, hence this part of a thread:
“You want to fuck with johnson? Refresh his page 100,000 times a day, and encourage others to do so. Hits are what are going to kill him now, empty hits that steal money from his pocket and do nothing to help him in his dilemma. Link to him as much as you can. You aren’t hurting him by not giving him links- eat up his bandwidth and cost him money. Hotlink his images in places where they will get the most exposure (reloads). Blind link his blog like a rickroll, all over the place.
Drain him dry. The sooner he feels the pain, the sooner this canker sore will be gone from the internet, the final flounce, he will go out in a blaze of anger and bitterness, with a final blog post damning everyone.
My god, that will be a sweet plum to savor! “The hate is strong there.
These 30 something children need to get out of their mommies’ basements and at least try to engage with reality.
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Stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:17:51pm |
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jaunte Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:18:22pm |
re: #190 Stonemason
Interesting, will there ever be a time when people can say things that might not make muslims happy?
What are you talking about? People say things that make Muslims unhappy every day.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:18:43pm |
re: #190 Stonemason
Interesting, will there ever be a time when people can say things that might not make muslims happy?
sure they do it all the time on other radio stations…
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:19:15pm |
re: #190 Stonemason
Interesting, will there ever be a time when people can say things that might not make muslims happy?
Yes when the people of America grow a f***ing spine and realize that Islam a religion with a few bad apples just like Christianity or any of a dozen other religions I can name.
Until we as a nation can talk about them without loosing our collective shit, we don’t get to talk shit about them with a clear conscience.
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:19:18pm |
re: #191 engineer dog
i don’t really believe that williams was just “expressing” an irrational fear of people dressed in muslim attire on planes - as K.T. says, people who intend to carry out terrorist attacks don’t telegraph their intentions by drawing attention to themselves
i see it as part of the campaign of making it ok to be prejudiced against muslims in general, thinly disguised as a hypothetically acceptable and rational fear
that, and his ridiculous remark about the first lady as “stokely carmichal in a dress”, mark williams as a rabble rouser
Indeed. They are moving backwards. Instead of denormalizing monkey hate, they are trying to normalize it.
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Stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:19:20pm |
re: #185 b_sharp
You’d have to be pretty blind to not see that has been done many times. How about we avoid the false dichotomy and denounce them both.
Please show me the direct quote from a Mulslim leader that either denounced Terrorists, or Williams and Terroists in the last week.
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Vambo Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:20:02pm |
re: #183 jamesfirecat
He only quantified her as a typical white person in regards to her having a fear of people she hadn’t met.
I don’t think anyone can argue that Obama and Williams’ comments were pretty similar, out of context. Obama’s gram is afraid of dark-skinned people, Williams is afraid of people in Muslim garb. I would’ve appreciated the honestly from Williams, if it had ended there - but he went on to connect burqas and such with terrorist attacks in the USA, which anyone can tell you is bullshit by looking at video footage of the actual terrorists wearing jeans and t-shirts.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:20:26pm |
re: #182 jaunte
It’s not rational to fear 100% of a group over the actions of less than 1%.
It’s not?
So if I get bitten by a Pit Bull it’s irrational of me in the future to be weary of Pit bulls?
I think that’s just human nature!
(and no,, I am NOT equating Mulsims with dogs, so don’t even try!)
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BishopX Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:20:27pm |
re: #174 Stonemason
That 10 million you’re talking about is the Arab world equivalent of the Tea party, a lot of sound and no fury. The number of people who are actively trying to harm America is much smaller. probably 1/10 of that even including the entirety of Hamas, Hezbollah, The revolutionary guard (most of whom are actively doing other stuff at the moment). If you’re trying to estimate the number of potential attackers, you’re looking at less than 1% of that 10% of that 1% (.00001 in total). When you’re dealing with those kind of numbers virtually any security system is going to have way, way more false positives than actual hits. Most people are okay with occasionally being a false positive, as long as they are treated respectfully. The problem comes when you combine cultural enmity with the mistakes the security system makes. That feeling that the world is out to get all people like you if one of the prime motivators that push people over the edge from ‘hating America’ to becoming an active terrorist.
So with regards to how we as a society should deal with Muslims in general and self-identified islams in particular, the more you ignore them the better. Don’t protest mosques, don’t single them out because of their dress, and for god’s sake Don’t talk about being at war with anything even resembling Islam. Now I get that it would be illegal for the US government to mandate this, but it’s a still a good idea to practice it.
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engineer cat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:20:40pm |
re: #190 Stonemason
Interesting, will there ever be a time when people can say things that might not make muslims happy?
i’m more worried that this is a time when many people are saying things that might get muslims lynched
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prairiefire Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:21:31pm |
re: #199 Stonemason
Please show me the direct quote from a Mulslim leader that either denounced Terrorists, or Williams and Terroists in the last week.
Here is another example of “The Muslims will never denounce enough” thinking.
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Stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:21:44pm |
re: #187 jamesfirecat
But since you asked so nicely…
Ahem, I hearby as a catnip smoking liberal denounce all those who would attempt to use acts of violence as way of promotion their political agendas be they unionists beating up scabs, “pro life” demonstrators attacking abortionists who are only trying to practice their legal craft and help women out of a horrible bind, or Muslim jihadists trying to reshape the world into whatever bizzare dream they imagine it can be.
That said, how would you feel if I said “every time I see someone with a pro life bumper sticker, sign or t-shirt, inside a hospital I feel a shiver go up my spine?”
Interestingly enough, I have read many, many posts here, and around the ‘net, that say just that, or similar stuff.
There are breathless top posts about the insanity of the right and how it is going to destroy this nation…
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:22:04pm |
re: #5 ralphieboy
I am sure that there were Palestinians dancing in the street over news of his firing…
I’m sure they would have danced if they knew who Juan Williams the hell was…
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:23:00pm |
re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I wish I could make millions inspiring stupid people to be afraid of their neighbors.
I think this one is a growth industry. You can probably still get in.
If you don’t mind going to hell. That’s what’s keeping me out of this. That, and my mother would be very, very disappointed in me.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:23:22pm |
re: #9 Charles
NPR’s CEO explicitly said CAIR had nothing to do with their decision and I don’t see any reason to doubt her. Gaffney doesn’t mention that.
It’s just second-hand taqiya. You know that.
//
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:23:24pm |
re: #189 avanti
“Hotlink his images in places where they will get the most exposure (reloads). Blind link his blog like a rickroll, all over the place.”
These booger eating morons are in for a rude awakening. Charles has been dealing with that kind of shit from far left assholes long before such an idea dawned on these goobers. They ain’t gonna like what happens.
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Obdicut Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:23:30pm |
re: #180 Stonemason
Sorry, yes it does. I don’t care that Williams was fired, NPR can handle staffing any way they please. I was pointing out that there was a disconnect, as usual, in accepting that both sides of any political spectrum will give a pass to stupid statements made by one of their own.
Because it’s not true. It’s just magical balance fairy time.
Of course in this case, Williams is more left than right, but he made a statement many on the right agree with,
What a terrible thing to say about ‘the right’, but I’m afraid you’re correct.
But again, the discussion should be around how to get past that crap, not how much of a bigot Williams is, but how to explain to the non-radicalized muslims that this fear is real, palpable, and needs to be addressed, loudly, by their leaders.
I think that Muslims know that it needs to be. I think they’ve seen what happens when one of their ‘leaders’, the Imam in charge of Park51, a Muslim who is pro-Israel, pro-Democracy, and worked with the former Bush White House, attempts to reach out.
He is the picture of a moderate Muslim, and he’s been treated like kissing cousin with Osama Bin Laden.
Instead of denouncing Williams, how about denouncing the muslims that do the crap that creates the fear in the first place?
How about not creating stupid, stupid false dichotomies? Seriously, I am sick of argument through false dichotomy. There is absolutely no reason at all to make such a limp argument. I’ve denounced terrorists on umpteen fucking occasions— why the fuck do I need to do it again before I say that Williams comments were moronic, and that his assertion that Muslims who dress according to their religion are ‘first and foremost’ identifying as Muslims is insulting to any devout religious person who dresses in accordance with their beliefs?
Honestly.
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:23:41pm |
re: #199 Stonemason
Please show me the direct quote from a Mulslim leader that either denounced Terrorists, or Williams and Terroists in the last week.
Please show me why those wheels on your goalposts are really necessary.
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avanti Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:23:50pm |
re: #200 prairiefire
Charles has a dilemma?
Haven’t you heard, this blog is near death, I read it on the internet./
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:24:01pm |
re: #206 Stonemason
Interestingly enough, I have read many, many posts here, and around the ‘net, that say just that, or similar stuff.
There are breathless top posts about the insanity of the right and how it is going to destroy this nation…
Yes I believe in fact Charles has been harping on that particular theme about how right wing insanity could destroy the nation for much of the last year.
Also do you care to address my comparison of how foolish it is to lump all members of a group into one single category just because of a few people’s actions?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:24:07pm |
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
Wow… this is really Goofy… I mean, what a Mouse this guy Gaffney is… so, firing Williams has is following sharia law… which law is that… Is this guy living in Fantastyland or something… he needs to move to the Magic Kingdom if he wants to see real sharia law.
This guy is Buzz Lightyears behind the rest of the world.
I’m sure there’s some hadith somewhere that says that Mohammed once fired some guy who pissed him off from Muslim Public Radio.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:24:19pm |
[Link: voyager.jpl.nasa.gov…]
Via Twitter, @Voyager2 says:
I am currently 13 hrs 00 mins 05 secs of light-travel time from Earth.
So cool.
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Stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:24:30pm |
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jaunte Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:24:52pm |
re: #202 sattv4u2
I think the analogy is flawed, because there is far more variety in humans than in a particular breed of dogs.
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BishopX Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:24:56pm |
re: #202 sattv4u2
To be rational about it, follow this formula:
(Pit-bull attacks experienced)/(total pit-bull encounters)*cost of pitbull attacks=P
P>costs of wariness Avoid pit-bulls
IF{
P
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:25:08pm |
re: #13 theheat
I listen to a lot of old time radio, including many aired during WWII. Some of the pro-America commercials during that time were way, way over the top. But as over the top as they were, we’re experiencing a blast from the past this past decade. We’re all supposed to live in fear, yet be defiant, at the same time. And somehow it’s all patriotic.
I can’t muster the energy to be that afraid and pissed off and take all the hysteria at face value this many years in a row. There needs to be a collective STFU moment.
Juan was fired because of ongoing, repeated, dickdome. Is that really so hard to comprehend?
Also: even if you think Williams should not have been fired, which is rational enough opinion, his firing doesn’t indicate anything except that his bosses didn’t like him anymore.
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:26:08pm |
re: #202 sattv4u2
It’s not?
So if I get bitten by a Pit Bull it’s irrational of me in the future to be weary of Pit bulls?
I think that’s just human nature!
(and no,, I am NOT equating Mulsims with dogs, so don’t even try!)
I’ve been bitten by dogs severely enough to draw blood a number of times. I’m not afraid of dogs. Not even Pit Bulls.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:26:22pm |
re: #219 BishopX
Nobody told me there was going to be math!
That aside, if you were bitten by one, hat would your reaction be next time you encountered one on the street?
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brookly red Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:26:24pm |
re: #213 avanti
Haven’t you heard, this blog is near death, I read it on the internet./
/I am running Task Manager and the CPU usage is 16%… slow but not dying.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:26:41pm |
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Obdicut Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:26:51pm |
re: #202 sattv4u2
It’s not?
So if I get bitten by a Pit Bull it’s irrational of me in the future to be weary of Pit bulls?
I think that’s just human nature!
(and no,, I am NOT equating Mulsims with dogs, so don’t even try!)
Your analogy is completely idiotic.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:26:52pm |
re: #221 b_sharp
I’ve been bitten by dogs severely enough to draw blood a number of times. I’m not afraid of dogs. Not even Pit Bulls.
Good on you
That can’t, however, be said for everyone
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Renaissance_Man Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:27:12pm |
re: #211 Obdicut
I’ve denounced terrorists on umpteen fucking occasions— why the fuck do I need to do it again before I say that Williams comments were moronic, and that his assertion that Muslims who dress according to their religion are ‘first and foremost’ identifying as Muslims is insulting to any devout religious person who dresses in accordance with their beliefs?
Because every time you don’t, a magical balance fairy dies.
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jaunte Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:27:15pm |
re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist
That’ll make it hard to shrink big Government.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:27:46pm |
re: #50 BigPapa
It’s hazardous to criticize Muslims unless you have a blog called Atlas Shrugs or Jihadwatch or a hour program on Fox News. In fact Juan probably got a pay raise over this.
Yeah. Ya know, if Muslims were actually killing everyone who offended them, WHY ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE STILL ALIVE?
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Obdicut Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:27:51pm |
re: #218 jaunte
I think the analogy is flawed, because there is far more variety in humans than in a particular breed of dogs.
Also, humans are sentient creatures.
Pit bull is not to Dog as Muslim is to Human. At all. Moronic analogy.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:27:54pm |
re: #197 jamesfirecat
Yes when the people of America grow a f***ing spine and realize that Islam a religion with a few bad apples just like Christianity or any of a dozen other religions I can name.
Until we as a nation can talk about them without loosing our collective shit, we don’t get to talk shit about them with a clear conscience.
I’ll talk shit about whatever I like and my conscience will remain clear. I am not a fan of any organized religion.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:27:54pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:28:11pm |
re: #51 Varek Raith
Gaffney and his ilk want free reign on demonizing Muslims.
The chickenshit should just come out and admit it.
It makes them have icky feelings deep down when people point out they’re just bigots.
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Stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:28:47pm |
re: #214 jamesfirecat
Yes I believe in fact Charles has been harping on that particular theme about how right wing insanity could destroy the nation for much of the last year.
Also do you care to address my comparison of how foolish it is to lump all members of a group into one single category just because of a few people’s actions?
Don’t know why I need to do it again, but okay, not all muslims are terrorists.
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Obdicut Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:28:48pm |
re: #232 sattv4u2
Because Pit Bull : Dog is in no way analogous to Muslim : Human.
Idiotic in the extreme.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:29:13pm |
re: #230 Obdicut
Also, humans are sentient creatures.
Pit bull is not to Dog as Muslim is to Human. At all. Moronic analogy.
Way to selectively skip the part where I stated “, I am NOT equating Mulsims with dogs, so don’t even try!”
So ,, typically ,, well,, YOU!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:29:25pm |
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Renaissance_Man Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:29:28pm |
re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist
It makes them have icky feelings deep down when people point out they’re just bigots.
Well, because it’s obviously not true. It can’t be, because they’re so clearly conservative, and everyone knows that only the left are bigots.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:29:49pm |
re: #228 jaunte
That’ll make it hard to shrink big Government.
attrition… attrition is our friend ;)
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:30:04pm |
re: #234 Stonemason
Don’t know why I need to do it again, but okay, not all muslims are terrorists.
Is it okay to that Muslims on a plain scare you?
Is it okay for me to say that Pro lifers in a hospital scare me?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:30:20pm |
re: #234 Stonemason
Don’t know why I need to do it again, but okay, not all muslims are terrorists.
but , But ,, BUT ,, you said SOME are !! (or soemthing close to that)
So you MUSt think that !!
:)
/
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BishopX Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:30:29pm |
re: #222 sattv4u2
I have a bad reaction to Yorkshire terriers for just that reason. I just admit it isn’t rational, and I do my best to refrain from punting the little rat dogs into the nearest body of water every time I see one. Most people have a whole host of reactions to things which are not socially acceptable, and they do their best to ignore them/get over them. That it’s now acceptable to not do that to Muslims is really awful.
And there’s always math lurking in the background :P
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Obdicut Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:30:50pm |
re: #236 sattv4u2
Way to selectively skip the part where I stated “, I am NOT equating Mulsims with dogs, so don’t even try!”
So ,, typically ,, well,, YOU!
I didn’t say you were equating them with dogs, dude. Please don’t say I did, when I didn’t.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:31:56pm |
re: #242 BishopX
And there’s always math lurking in the background :
NOW you tell me
umm,,, the dog ated my homework!
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brookly red Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:32:03pm |
re: #240 jamesfirecat
Is it okay to that Muslims on a plain scare you?
Is it okay for me to say that Pro lifers in a hospital scare me?
well maybe not so much if you are the patient :)
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brookly red Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:33:37pm |
re: #244 sattv4u2
And there’s always math lurking in the background :NOW you tell me
umm,,, the dog ated my homework!
was it a pit bull?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:35:03pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:35:03pm |
re: #200 prairiefire
Charles has a dilemma?
Many honorable people have had dilemmas. Mike Keneally, for example.
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:35:07pm |
re: #222 sattv4u2
Nobody told me there was going to be math!
That aside, if you were bitten by one, hat would your reaction be next time you encountered one on the street?
I’d analyze the situation and that particular dog separate from previous encounters. That would be a change from my natural tendency to treat them all the same. However, I would not run away screaming like a little girl.
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engineer cat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:35:16pm |
re: #232 sattv4u2
Because you said so!
ok, let me put it to you this way:
you have a pit bull. you love your pit bull. you love to take him out for walks. when you take your pit bull out for a walk, the neighbors comment on what a handsome dog he is, and pet him
there are a couple of reports about pit bulls killing people in the news one week. people start talking about how they are afraid of pit bulls. this is, of course, very reasonable!
people begin to shy away from you when you take your pit bull out for a walk now. this is also very reasonable
somebody on teevee makes a speech about how all pit bulls should be rounded up and killed before they kill anybody else. he is instantly denounced, but you feel a chill, and wonder whether anybody will try to do anything to your pit bull
next, a prominent politician says that, while he is not a unreasonable person who wants to round up and kill all pit bulls, he does think that it is perfectly rational to start making some laws restricting the ownership and movement of pit bulls
these days, nobody is concerned much, actually, about pit bulls. but this is an awful lot of loose talk about muslims
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:36:12pm |
re: #189 avanti
My “dilemma?” I didn’t realize I was in the midst of a dilemma. Does that mean I’m doomed?
The Geller-thing came up with a new name today: “Little Green Vomit,” which is something she has a lot of personal experience with, after over-imbibing on mint liqueur.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:36:12pm |
re: #246 brookly red
was it a pit bull?
heheh ,, one of my best buddies had THE most docile Pit Bull in history
He (the dog,,, not my friend) would cower when I brought my 17 pound West Highland Terrier around
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:37:21pm |
re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist
No one should be fired?
No one espousing right wing talking points should be fired for any reason.
If you want to guarantee your job, spout some right wing smelly stuff and your boss will be too afraid to fire your ass.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:37:49pm |
re: #250 engineer dog
somebody on teevee makes a speech about how all pit bulls should be rounded up and killed before they kill anybody else
HOLD THE WEDDIN
Thats a far cry from what Williams stated (and thats what we;re discussing,, no ??)
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:37:55pm |
Looks like Klingon Divorce Court is about to come to order.
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BishopX Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:39:21pm |
re: #251 Charles
I’m not sure about her qualifications in terms of “little” she seems like a spewer to me./
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Stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:39:26pm |
re: #240 jamesfirecat
Is it okay to that Muslims on a plain scare you?
Is it okay for me to say that Pro lifers in a hospital scare me?
Wow, here we go, as usual. I never once said that muslims on a plane scare me, not once.
And if those idiots that protest in front of clinics and hospitals scare you, cool, shout if from the roof tops.
If the Tea Party scares you, say that too.
International Answer scares me, CPUSA scares me, and, shudder, the thought of that nut O’DOnnell being elected scares me.
I am afraid of heights, it is an irrational fear, I know. I build the scaffold, I know it is safe, yet when I get up on it, I just know it is going to collapse and kill me. It never does, but I am still scared, I don’t know why.
My comparison to what President Obama said about his grandmother being irrationally afraid of blacks is a perfect example of what Williams said, both fears are not based in reality for those people. Now, if Mrs. Todd Beamer had said what Williams said…
Look, I will reapeat that NPR firing Williams isn’t the point, they can hire and fire according to contract. My point is that he spoke honestly (as he saw it) and all people can argue about is whether NPR is leftist, whether Williams is a bigot. It is deflection on both sides so the bigger issue does not have to be dealt with.
The same thing is happening here. I don’t want you posters to denounce terrorism, I am sure you all do, I want the leaders of all nations, the Imams in all Mosques, to denounce terrorism.
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:39:31pm |
re: #226 sattv4u2
Good on you
That can’t, however, be said for everyone
I am, however, terrified of spiders.
Arachnophobia.
It’s irrational.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:39:47pm |
re: #252 sattv4u2
heheh ,, one of my best buddies had THE most docile Pit Bull in history
He (the dog,,, not my friend) would cower when I brought my 17 pound West Highland Terrier around
Once when I had my poor old pit bull I meet a guy who was totally freaked out by her… He kept asking me, why is she looking at me like that? why is she looking at me like that?
then I suggested that perhaps it was the bucket of chicken he was holding…
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:39:54pm |
DAG NABBIT
Juts when it’s getting good, NFL on the phone
Damn Europe ,,, why can’t they figure out the audio configurations
I mean ,, they’re the same EVERY MONDAY NIGHT!!!
BRB
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engineer cat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:40:38pm |
re: #254 sattv4u2
somebody on teevee makes a speech about how all pit bulls should be rounded up and killed before they kill anybody else
HOLD THE WEDDIN
Thats a far cry from what Williams stated (and thats what we;re discussing,, no ??)
oh, you mean you haven’t heard about the people - denounced by all reasonable republicans and democrats, of course - who were calling for a ban on mosques in the united states?
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brookly red Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:40:48pm |
re: #258 b_sharp
I am, however, terrified of spiders.
Arachnophobia.
It’s irrational.
what’s that on your shoulder?
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:41:26pm |
re: #231 Slumbering Behemoth
I’ll talk shit about whatever I like and my conscience will remain clear. I am not a fan of any organized religion.
As long as you fart in their general direction, I’m with you. Upwind, but with you.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:41:42pm |
re: #254 sattv4u2
The point I drew from ED’s post was that it was not specifically about Williams, but the disturbing and loose talk about muslims in general. One example would be the (“oh no it’s not a”/) hate site Atlas S., and it’s proprietor’s call to have all muslims rounded up and deported.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:41:43pm |
The pit bull analogy is incorrect because it’s about feeling vs. saying.
It’s one thing to have an irrational, if understandable feeling; it’s quite another to give voice to that feeling on national TV on a show dealing with that topic.
If you were a professional guest commentator on a show about dogs on Animal Planet and were asked about pit bulls, it would be unwise for you, as a professional, to indicate your bias by giving voice to your irrational fear.
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Obdicut Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:41:43pm |
re: #257 Stonemason
. My point is that he spoke honestly (as he saw it) and all people can argue about is whether NPR is leftist, whether Williams is a bigot. It is deflection on both sides so the bigger issue does not have to be dealt with.
Again: Why the false dichotomy? Do you honestly believe it’s impossible to think that a journalist ought to be held to high standards AND think that radical Islam needs to be dealt with?
Seriously?
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:42:42pm |
re: #236 sattv4u2
Way to selectively skip the part where I stated “, I am NOT equating Mulsims with dogs, so don’t even try!”
Neither is Obdi.
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avanti Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:42:43pm |
re: #251 Charles
My “dilemma?” I didn’t realize I was in the midst of a dilemma. Does that mean I’m doomed?
The Geller-thing came up with a new name today: “Little Green Vomit,” which is something she has a lot of personal experience with, after over-imbibing on mint liqueur.
You must not do the hard hitting investigations they do over there. For example, you missed the fact that the environmentalists are known as “greens”. What color is the Islamic crescent ???
Yep, you missed that completely, but they had a thread about the connection.
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engineer cat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:43:18pm |
re: #228 jaunte
That’ll make it hard to shrink big Government.
i see a lot more shrunken heads than shrunken government
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Obdicut Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:43:25pm |
re: #257 Stonemason
The same thing is happening here. I don’t want you posters to denounce terrorism, I am sure you all do, I want the leaders of all nations, the Imams in all Mosques, to denounce terrorism.
What do make of the fact that Imam Rauf, the leader of Park51, has done exactly that and been treated as though he embraces terrorism, instead?
I suppose he needs to shout louder— it is in no way of the fault of the people spreading lies about him? The people spreading fear about Muslims in general?
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:44:47pm |
re: #242 BishopX
I have a bad reaction to Yorkshire terriers for just that reason. I just admit it isn’t rational, and I do my best to refrain from punting the little rat dogs into the nearest body of water every time I see one. Most people have a whole host of reactions to things which are not socially acceptable, and they do their best to ignore them/get over them. That it’s now acceptable to not do that to Muslims is really awful.
And there’s always math lurking in the background :P
Grilled Yorkies taste great on focaccia bread.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:45:19pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:45:52pm |
re: #265 CuriousLurker
Lucid as always. Are you sure you won’t consider going agnostic just for little old me?
/teasing
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BishopX Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:46:39pm |
re: #271 b_sharp
I’m not so sure, I think you really need to stew them with milk and turnips and then skim the grease off the top.
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engineer cat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:47:38pm |
re: #264 Slumbering Behemoth
The point I drew from ED’s post was that it was not specifically about Williams, but the disturbing and loose talk about muslims in general. One example would be the (“oh no it’s not a”/) hate site Atlas S., and it’s proprietor’s call to have all muslims rounded up and deported.
yes, exactly
there’s clearly a drumbeat of anti-muslim talk going around, and in this context williams’ “reasonable” remark amplifies the unreasonable remarks
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CuriousLurker Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:47:53pm |
re: #273 Slumbering Behemoth
Lucid as always. Are you sure you won’t consider going agnostic just for little old me?
/teasing
Hehehe, sorry. ;o)
I sharpened my critical thinking skills right here listening to you guys, BTW.
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Obdicut Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:48:53pm |
re: #275 engineer dog
I wish that every news outlet would actually hold their reporters up to a level of fucking professionalism and standards.
Pipe dream, of course.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:49:08pm |
Drat, this report is never going to get finished. I’m missing all the good stuff. *sigh* BBL
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:49:24pm |
re: #276 CuriousLurker
Ugh, fine!
/
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prairiefire Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:49:55pm |
re: #277 b_sharp
My highly trained spider eating kitten.
Is that your little boy kitten who had the gunky eyes? How is he doing?
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webevintage Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:49:59pm |
re: #114 stonemason
Actually when President Obama said almost the same thing about how his Grandmother reacted to black people during an interview on WIP in Philadelphia during the campaign, those on the right called him out as racist and those on the left ignored it.
Partisan, both of them. Have at least a little honesty.
Oh, and I did indeed link a hate site as proof, one that seems to now have traction here.
Except…and this is the kicker…President Obama does not work for NPR and/or FOX and does not have a fucking contract with NPR.
Williams has been on the way out…here is one of his best comments:
WILLIAMS: Yeah. And let me just — let me just tell you this: If you think about liabilities for President Obama that are close to him — Joe Biden’s up there — but Michelle Obama’s right there. Michelle Obama, you know —O’REILLY: But it’s not her fault in the sense that —
WILLIAMS: — she’s got this Stokely Carmichael-in-a-designer-dress thing going. If she starts talking, as Mary Katharine suggested, her instinct is to start with this “blame America,” you know, “I’m the victim.” If that stuff starts to come out —
awesome.
Stay classy Juan.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:50:05pm |
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Renaissance_Man Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:51:03pm |
re: #258 b_sharp
I am, however, terrified of spiders.
Arachnophobia.
It’s irrational.
I am too, but I also am aware of the hierarchy of fears. As in, what I have a greater fear of than my other irrational fears.
For instance, I have learned that I am way more scared of humiliation than spiders. So if I am alone, and there’s an enormous hairy spider looking at me, I spend all night carefully navigating around it. If there are other people there, I grab it with my bare hands and toss it out, making casual banter as I go.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:51:37pm |
re: #278 Obdicut
I wish that every news outlet would actually hold their reporters up to a level of fucking professionalism and standards.
Pipe dream, of course.
& I wish politicians would tell the truth…
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:52:19pm |
re: #274 BishopX
I’m not so sure, I think you really need to stew them with milk and turnips and then skim the grease off the top.
Black pepper and lemon rub on the charcoal BBQ rotisserie.
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Stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:52:59pm |
re: #270 Obdicut
Probably because in deference to his status as a diplomat, who needs to deal with the terrorists of the Hamas, he will not publicly denounce them as terrorists. It’s politics, and those who oppose him are using this, which is also politics (in a general sense).
I have read quite a bit of what Rauf has written, he’s not as radical as he is being painted, but he is not a saint either.
As for the ‘journalist’ question, there are very few left. Bias impedes almost everything now. I do not care that he was fired, shall I add that to every post?
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engineer cat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:54:23pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:55:51pm |
re: #259 brookly red
Once when I had my poor old pit bull I meet a guy who was totally freaked out by her… He kept asking me, why is she looking at me like that? why is she looking at me like that?
then I suggested that perhaps it was the bucket of chicken he was holding…
I have a part Rhodesian Ridgeback mutt. If you’ve never seen one, they look like this:
Image: Rhodesian-Ridgeback1.jpg
Mine’s black - according to the breed standard, they can’t be black! (OUTRAGE)
Anyway, on more than one occasion I’ve had people recoil in terror from my dog when they notice the ridge of hair on his back. Apparently they think he’s bristling and displaying aggressive behavior. Really.
The fact of the matter is that my dog is extraordinarily docile and lazy, and somewhat neurotic. Obviously he takes after me. I really think he couldn’t be aggressive if his life depended on it. The only exception to this might be if some intruder burst in and instantly set about trying to trim his toenails. There might be some blood spilled over that. Otherwise, the only danger he poses to people is by serving as a trip hazard.
I’m afraid of sharks, viruses, bacteria, and baboons armed with knives. General dog-o-phobia is something I’ll never understand.
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:55:58pm |
re: #281 prairiefire
Is that your little boy kitten who had the gunky eyes? How is he doing?
Thanks for asking.
He’s doing extremely well. When he’s not running and jumping with wild abandon and getting into as much trouble as his little mind can think of, he’s a warm and fuzzy cuddle cat.
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:59:34pm |
re: #283 brookly red
named Robin no doubt?
Nope. Remington.
He’s the colour of gun metal and at the slightest provocation is off like a shot.
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:00:18pm |
re: #285 brookly red
& I wish politicians would tell the truth…
I bet you believe in rainbows and leprechauns too.
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:01:55pm |
Where did everybody go?
I had a shower and brushed my teeth.
Is it something I said?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:02:51pm |
re: #257 Stonemason
Wow, here we go, as usual. I never once said that muslims on a plane scare me, not once.
And if those idiots that protest in front of clinics and hospitals scare you, cool, shout if from the roof tops.
If the Tea Party scares you, say that too.
International Answer scares me, CPUSA scares me, and, shudder, the thought of that nut O’DOnnell being elected scares me.I am afraid of heights, it is an irrational fear, I know. I build the scaffold, I know it is safe, yet when I get up on it, I just know it is going to collapse and kill me. It never does, but I am still scared, I don’t know why.
My comparison to what President Obama said about his grandmother being irrationally afraid of blacks is a perfect example of what Williams said, both fears are not based in reality for those people. Now, if Mrs. Todd Beamer had said what Williams said…
Look, I will reapeat that NPR firing Williams isn’t the point, they can hire and fire according to contract. My point is that he spoke honestly (as he saw it) and all people can argue about is whether NPR is leftist, whether Williams is a bigot. It is deflection on both sides so the bigger issue does not have to be dealt with.
The same thing is happening here. I don’t want you posters to denounce terrorism, I am sure you all do, I want the leaders of all nations, the Imams in all Mosques, to denounce terrorism.
My issue is and continues to be I’d argue that what Williams said is something that should not voiced sincerly on television from a position of power because it reinforces and ugly “undercurrent” (which is at times painfully visible) of bigotry that flows through our nation.
Can you understand why I see feeding that particular beast as a very bad thing to do?
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Obdicut Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:03:56pm |
re: #287 Stonemason
I have read quite a bit of what Rauf has written, he’s not as radical as he is being painted, but he is not a saint either.
“Not as radical”— wow. Yeah.
He’s a moderate, pro-Israel Muslim. But your reaction to him is that he’s no saint.
Why the hell do you expect moderate Muslims to speak out when people like you refuse to recognize them as moderate Muslims?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:05:27pm |
re: #139 stonemason
That people on the left make overreaching racial statements and are given a pass by the left, just as those on the right who are guilty of making overreaching statements are given a pass by the right.
The difference here is though, the left considered what Mr. Obama said as ‘speaking the hard truth.’
Should Williams have lied? is it better when people lie about perceptions? Wouldn’t it be better if those who do not wish to kill the infidel began to really understand how the radicals scare the crap out of the rest of the world?
Perhaps I haven’t seen the whole Williams quote, but it seems to me that the core difference is that Obama is talking about prejudice but Williams is justifying it.
Also, do you think that ‘those who do not wish to kill the infidel’ haven’t noticed there’s a problem?
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Stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:05:39pm |
re: #294 jamesfirecat
Yes, actually I can. Because you have read and heard and ingested so much information that leads you to feel that there is a huge ‘beast’ that wants to kill all muslims and that ‘scares’ you to the point you would silence people for the ‘safety’ of others.
Can you see my point now?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:08:18pm |
re: #297 Stonemason
Yes, actually I can. Because you have read and heard and ingested so much information that leads you to feel that there is a huge ‘beast’ that wants to kill all muslims and that ‘scares’ you to the point you would silence people for the ‘safety’ of others.
Can you see my point now?
No I can’t because your point seems to be arguing for the Tolerance of intolerence and that its okay to say things like Williams did from a position of power re-enforcing people’s already painfully wrong beliefs.
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engineer cat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:08:24pm |
re: #297 Stonemason
Yes, actually I can. Because you have read and heard and ingested so much information that leads you to feel that there is a huge ‘beast’ that wants to kill all muslims and that ‘scares’ you to the point you would silence people for the ‘safety’ of others.
Can you see my point now?
where is the call for “silencing” people?
it’s not okay to say you disagree with him and think his remark was stupid and dangerous?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:09:31pm |
re: #174 Stonemason
The dialouge shouldn’t be about whether Williams is a bigot or not, that’s deflection from the real truth, that there are millions (1% radicalized is 10 million) of people who hate the lifestyle of America and have killed many innocent people for that reason alone.
That actually strikes me as a big deflection in itself. We know we’ve got a big damn problem with terror and its network. That doesn’t mean we can’t have a discussion about how we talk about religion and ethnicity in this country, or on NPR.
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Stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:09:53pm |
re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist
Yup, I think they have noticed, but I don’t think they do enough. Nope, I don’t. Just like I don’t think many Christian churches have done enough to get rid of Phelps and his ilk.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:11:24pm |
re: #180 Stonemason
Instead of denouncing Williams, how about denouncing the muslims that do the crap that creates the fear in the first place?
Hmmm. So if someone says that they’re afraid of black men because they think they may be criminals, we give them a pass, and denounce black men who are criminals for creating the fear?
Seriously? As long as Islamic fundamentalist terror is still an issue we can’t talk about any other aspect of the situation?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:12:23pm |
re: #190 Stonemason
Interesting, will there ever be a time when people can say things that might not make muslims happy?
Some people do it every day of their lives, and make a good living at it.
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Stonemason Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:14:28pm |
re: #299 engineer dog
where is the call for “silencing” people?
it’s not okay to say you disagree with him and think his remark was stupid and dangerous?
James has commented twice now that it should not have been said at all, especially at this time. That is asking for silence.
re: #298 jamesfirecat
So using that as a starting point, communism fails, everywhere, all the time. No one in a position of power should be allowed to denounce capitalism as a bad thing, especially now, in this hard time.
re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist
Good point, from an angle I hadn’t thought of. It won’t happen though, there is a real fear of discussing Islam that is not part of discussing other religions…
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:14:31pm |
re: #293 b_sharp
Where did everybody go?
I had a shower and brushed my teeth.
Is it something I said?
New thread.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:15:53pm |
re: #240 jamesfirecat
Is it okay to that Muslims on a plain scare you?
Is it okay for me to say that Pro lifers in a hospital scare me?
I bet that if you say the latter in public, as a representative of a hospital, you’re gonna get canned. And rightly so.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:16:19pm |
re: #293 b_sharp
Where did everybody go?
I had a shower and brushed my teeth.
Is it something I said?
Spiders LOVE shower stalls, ya know!!
just sayin!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:18:06pm |
re: #304 Stonemason
James has commented twice now that it should not have been said at all, especially at this time. That is asking for silence.
re: #298 jamesfirecatSo using that as a starting point, communism fails, everywhere, all the time. No one in a position of power should be allowed to denounce capitalism as a bad thing, especially now, in this hard time.
re: #300 SanFranciscoZionistGood point, from an angle I hadn’t thought of. It won’t happen though, there is a real fear of discussing Islam that is not part of discussing other religions…
Captalisim is a system of running a country not a religion.
Also if memory serves I think we already had a time period when people weren’t allowed to denounce capitalism as a bad thing it was called the Mcarthy erra.
I don’t say that you can’t say those things, because you’re just a blogger on a blog.
I feel that it was wrong for William’s to say those things because he’s an important anchor on a respected news network, not the kind of people who should be flying off the handle and feading our baser instincts….
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:18:11pm |
re: #307 sattv4u2
Spiders LOVE shower stalls, ya know!!
just sayin!
Thanks. Next time I have a shower I’ll be looking over my shoulder.
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engineer cat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:19:09pm |
re: #304 Stonemason
James has commented twice now that it should not have been said at all, especially at this time. That is asking for silence.
no, that is saying that he shouldn’t have said it. so far from having silenced him, the row over his remark has made it world famous, and he continues to piss and moan about the criticism without let or hinderance
a call for silencing people is when a call for them to be made unable to speak aloud, not when somebody is criticized for saying something
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jaunte Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:19:33pm |
re: #304 Stonemason
there is a real fear of discussing Islam that is not part of discussing other religions…
Searching Google for the phrase “Discussion of Islam” yields more than 33 million results, including a video of Robert Spencer talking about how discussion of Islam is being suppressed. [Link: www.google.com…]
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Obdicut Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:19:45pm |
re: #304 Stonemason
James has commented twice now that it should not have been said at all, especially at this time. That is asking for silence.
That’s asking for a stupid statement not to be said. He could have said something intelligent, instead. That wouldn’t be silence.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:20:42pm |
re: #301 Stonemason
Yup, I think they have noticed, but I don’t think they do enough. Nope, I don’t. Just like I don’t think many Christian churches have done enough to get rid of Phelps and his ilk.
I see this from another perspective. I don’t think that moderate Muslims or Christians are obligated to jump through hoops to distance themselves from their psychotic coreligionists before they are deserving of respect.
I say this as a Jew who has listened to way too much shit about what my community is required to do before the left will do jack shit for us.
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engineer cat Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:21:38pm |
re: #311 jaunte
Searching Google for the phrase “Discussion of Islam” yields more than 33 million results, including a video of Robert Spencer talking about how discussion of Islam is being suppressed. [Link: www.google.com…]
i also have heard so much about the domination of the media by the “left”, and the censorship of right wing opinions
i hear it every day from limbaugh, beck, geller, palin, gingrich, and the entire staff of the giant media empire fox news
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:21:47pm |
re: #304 Stonemason
James has commented twice now that it should not have been said at all, especially at this time. That is asking for silence.
re: #298 jamesfirecatSo using that as a starting point, communism fails, everywhere, all the time. No one in a position of power should be allowed to denounce capitalism as a bad thing, especially now, in this hard time.
re: #300 SanFranciscoZionistGood point, from an angle I hadn’t thought of. It won’t happen though, there is a real fear of discussing Islam that is not part of discussing other religions…
That is true, for a number of reasons. But we have to be brave and discuss honestly anyway, rather than revelling in being silenced.
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b_sharp Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:24:41pm |
re: #313 SanFranciscoZionist
I see this from another perspective. I don’t think that moderate Muslims or Christians are obligated to jump through hoops to distance themselves from their psychotic coreligionists before they are deserving of respect.
I say this as a Jew who has listened to way too much shit about what my community is required to do before the left will do jack shit for us.
This lefty will do jack shit for you, and you don’t have to do anything.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:25:35pm |
re: #316 b_sharp
This lefty will do jack shit for you, and you don’t have to do anything.
Much appreciated!
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Randall Gross Tue, Oct 26, 2010 7:41:52am |
re: #202 sattv4u2
That’s totally false equivalence even with your incorrect disclaimer. Muslims are groups of people, pit bulls are groups of animals. Of course for a jackass that distinction might be hard to see.
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Stonemason Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:40:29pm |
re: #139 stonemason
That people on the left make overreaching racial statements and are given a pass by the left, just as those on the right who are guilty of making overreaching statements are given a pass by the right.
The difference here is though, the left considered what Mr. Obama said as ‘speaking the hard truth.’
Should Williams have lied? is it better when people lie about perceptions? Wouldn’t it be better if those who do not wish to kill the infidel began to really understand how the radicals scare the crap out of the rest of the world?
Judging from the dingalings, I guess I have my answer…
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