Illinois GOP Candidates for Gov. and Lt. Gov. - Both Creationists

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As noted a few days ago, the GOP’s candidate for governor of Illinois, State Senator Bill Brady, is pushing the new GOP talking point that local public schools should be allowed to teach creationism in science classes.

Well, if Republicans win the Illinois elections, both the Governor and the Lieutenant Governor will be creationists. Jason Plummer is the GOP’s candidate for Lt. Governor, and he’s a young earth creationist — who also happens to advocate that local schools should be permitted to teach Biblical creation myths as science.

Plummer said he believed local school officials should be able to determine whether to teach creationism in schools. Simon said local school districts should not be able to opt to teach creationism, saying it was an issue of “separation of church and state.”

Plummer said he believes in creationism.

Asked if he believed that the world was created in six days and the earth is 10,000 years old, Plummer said: “My philosophical beliefs and my life is based on my faith, and my faith is rooted in my Christian faith.”

Pressed on the creationism question, Plummer said: “I believe that, yes. My faith is my faith.”

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218 comments
1 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 1:51:52pm

That program in Texas is working out swimmingly. Congratulations to all the people who voted GOP. The nation has you to thank for those Republican ideals shitting on the Constitution, one state at a time. Bravo.

2 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 1:51:54pm

But what if the moon really is made of green cheese?

3 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 1:54:43pm

I'm sure it'll really help Illinois's economy to have students graduating ignorant about the realities of science, reinforced in their own prejudices. That'll be just great for Illinois.

4 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 1:56:01pm

Nothing like an organized attempt to destroy American education. I really don't understand how it is possible in this day and age to have this as an issue any more. Then again, I'm not a bible banging moron.

5 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 1:56:36pm

Of course local schools should control the curriculum, how else can America compete in the new Dark Ages?

Creationism instead of evolution.
Astrology instead of astronomy.
Alchemy instead of chemistry.
Numerology instead of math.
Standing on your head during sex instead of contraceptives.
Assaulting political opponents instead of debate.

etc. etc.

I'm tired of the vile secular humanism and it's fancy sciences that perverts and undermines human progress.

6 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 1:57:03pm

re: #3 Obdicut

I'm sure it'll really help Illinois's economy to have students graduating ignorant about the realities of science, reinforced in their own prejudices. That'll be just great for Illinois.

Yeah and these cretins wonder why China and India are such competitive threats.

7 Nick Schroeder  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 1:57:37pm

Let's do Sharia Law in civics class too, while we're at it. Hey, if we're going backward, we might as well go balls-to-the-wall.

8 Kragar  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 1:57:52pm

Asked if he believed that the world was created in six days and the earth is 10,000 years old, Plummer said: “My philosophical beliefs and my life is based on my faith, and my faith is rooted in my Christian faith.”

Pressed on the creationism question, Plummer said: “I believe that, yes. My faith is my faith.”

Lets see what a Saint would have to see on this matter.

"The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false."
Saint Thomas Aquinas

Sure, not Catholics in this case, but the premise stays the same.

9 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 1:58:49pm

We're getting so used to this we don't even think about how crazy and dishonest it really is. If YECs are right, the pyramids are 3/4 as old as the Earth itself. I've seen the pyramids and they are a little ragged, but what about the Pantheon in Rome, still standing with its original roof and allegedly 1/3 as old as the whole planet?
Yet, one of these delusional cranks stands a good chance of being elected to a high state office. In fact, such cranks are absolutely dominant in one of our two major political parties. It is Idiocracy and the Marching Morons come to life.

10 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 1:58:52pm

So can we just admit once and for all that the GOP is the party of ignorant morons, stupid cattle, callous greed, hatred, and aggression, led by immoral swine who line their pockets on the suffering they cause?

11 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:00:46pm

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If this man had spent any time in the Creation Museum (in Kentucky!), he'd no the earth is not 10,000 years old, it's 6,000. He needs to get out more.

12 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:00:56pm

Question-
In a creationist friendly school, does astronomy, chemistry and basic physics get thrown out with Darwin?

er is Newton out too?

13 Summer Seale  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:02:01pm

Hi everyone! Christine "Beenwitched" O'Donnell here...

I just wanna say how awesome it is to have another great conservative up for election who believes in everything we should believe in! I'm so excited and you should be too because Jesus loves you and America is awesome, isn't it? And we all know that the Democrats are just avoiding the issues like what we should teach our kids in school and how we should overthrow the Supreme Courts and stuff like that like I was told by my pastor.

I'm just so happy that we're in such a roll. It's time to take back this country, isn't it? I'm just like you because I want to overthrow everything that isn't in the bible too! Enough is enough, right? Remember that it's all about those kinds of issues and the Constitutional of the country and stuff. But OMG, I swear, I hope that guy totally gets elected, you know? Wouldn't it be awesome if Chicago went to the Tea Party and stuff? Or Illionois or whatever. That's a state, right? I can't remember, but I'll admit I haven't been well informed about it lately. But that isn't what matters because it's all about the issues! Like isn't the world really less than 10,000 years old? And yes, it does matter because we want parents to teach our kids what they want our kids to know, not what "books" tell us that we should know! We have one book and that's all we need and stuff! Totally!

Anyway, just wanted to say I totally support those guys in that state with Chicago and it's totally awesome they're running like me because we're like you!

Just had to come out and say it! Remember to vote for Jesus...and me!

Christine.

14 bluecheese  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:02:34pm

the push-back against evolution, by Christians seems stupid to me.

We see evolution happening, from bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics, to the flu virus changing every year, to elephants shedding their tusks to evade new predators.

Some people choose not to be able to comprehend how so much diversity could happen, but that's like saying 'I can see people walk, so i believe that, but i can't believe that people could ever walk from one coast of the US to the other.'

Why again can't god use evolution as a tool to create?

15 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:02:47pm

re: #9 Shiplord Kirel

We're getting so used to this we don't even think about how crazy and dishonest it really is. If YECs are right, the pyramids are 3/4 as old as the Earth itself. I've seen the pyramids and they are a little ragged, but what about the Pantheon in Rome, still standing with its original roof and allegedly 1/3 as old as the whole planet?
Yet, one of these delusional cranks stands a good chance of being elected to a high state office. In fact, such cranks are absolutely dominant in one of our two major political parties. It is Idiocracy and the Marching Morons come to life.

Great book. Well said. Welcome to a future ruled by idiots. While we are at it, look at who these cretins elect. W. Palin, Inhofe, Barton... not a single one of them has an IQ above room temperature.

Just like I don't let the "special" kids have scissors, I certainly don't let them have access to nuclear weapons.

Think about that, half of this nation wants to give more power than was ever conceived of in past ages to the equivalent of the slow kid who eats paste and smells like pee all the time.

16 Big Steve  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:03:10pm

re: #1 theheat

That program in Texas is working out swimmingly. Congratulations to all the people who voted GOP. The nation has you to thank for those Republican ideals shitting on the Constitution, one state at a time. Bravo.


aw shucks....didn't realize us Texans were so all knowing and powerful.

17 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:03:48pm

re: #12 Rightwingconspirator

Question-
In a creationist friendly school, does astronomy, chemistry and basic physics get thrown out with Darwin?

er is Newton out too?

They haven't gotten to Newton yet, but they are already attacking Einstein. Soon enough they will argue about the Sun orbiting the Earth though.

18 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:04:10pm

re: #10 LudwigVanQuixote

So can we just admit once and for all that the GOP is the party of ignorant morons, stupid cattle, callous greed, hatred, and aggression, led by immoral swine who line their pockets on the suffering they cause?

I believe there are people still registered Republican who don't pay as much attention to current events as we blog-readers do, and some others who see the problems, but believe they can "fix" the Party, so I think you're making an invalid generalization.

But not by much.

Could you leave out the cattle and swine next time, though? They are human. We have to deal with them as such.

19 Kragar  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:04:10pm

Sumerians Look On In Confusion As God Creates World

Members of the earth's earliest known civilization, the Sumerians, looked on in shock and confusion some 6,000 years ago as God, the Lord Almighty, created Heaven and Earth.

According to recently excavated clay tablets inscribed with cuneiform script, thousands of Sumerians—the first humans to establish systems of writing, agriculture, and government—were working on their sophisticated irrigation systems when the Father of All Creation reached down from the ether and blew the divine spirit of life into their thriving civilization.

"I do not understand," reads an ancient line of pictographs depicting the sun, the moon, water, and a Sumerian who appears to be scratching his head. "A booming voice is saying, 'Let there be light,' but there is already light. It is saying, 'Let the earth bring forth grass,' but I am already standing on grass."

"Everything is here already," the pictograph continues. "We do not need more stars."

Historians believe that, immediately following the biblical event, Sumerian witnesses returned to the city of Eridu, a bustling metropolis built 1,500 years before God called for the appearance of dry land, to discuss the new development. According to records, Sumerian farmers, priests, and civic administrators were not only befuddled, but also took issue with the face of God moving across the water, saying that He scared away those who were traveling to Mesopotamia to participate in their vast and intricate trade system.

Moreover, the Sumerians were taken aback by the creation of the same animals and herb-yielding seeds that they had been domesticating and cultivating for hundreds of generations.

"The Sumerian people must have found God's making of heaven and earth in the middle of their well-established society to be more of an annoyance than anything else," said Paul Helund, ancient history professor at Cornell University. "If what the pictographs indicate are true, His loud voice interrupted their ancient prayer rituals for an entire week."

20 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:04:20pm

re: #14 bluecheese

the push-back against evolution, by Christians seems stupid to me.

We see evolution happening, from bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics, to the flu virus changing every year, to elephants shedding their tusks to evade new predators.

Some people choose not to be able to comprehend how so much diversity could happen, but that's like saying 'I can see people walk, so i believe that, but i can't believe that people could ever walk from one coast of the US to the other.'

Why again can't god use evolution as a tool to create?

I do believe he did exactly that. Big Bang and "let there be light" sounds perfectly compatible to me. That 6 days thing though not so much.

21 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:04:53pm

Gravity=Intelligent Falling.

22 webevintage  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:05:20pm

re: #4 LudwigVanQuixote

Nothing like an organized attempt to destroy American education. I really don't understand how it is possible in this day and age to have this as an issue any more. Then again, I'm not a bible banging moron.

Soon you are going to see folks all over TX homeschooling their kids so they can teach them science and history that is not polluted with right-wing ideals.

23 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:05:35pm

I am a registered Democrat in Illinois, but the GOP could have EASILY had my gubernatorial vote had they run a fiscally responsible moderate who actually represents the values of the majority in this state. Idiots like these two will never get a vote from me.

24 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:05:45pm

re: #17 LudwigVanQuixote

I'd love to see them deny action/reaction. Or how a prism works. Or why ice floats. Or...
-oh sorry. I do get carried away.

25 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:05:58pm

re: #14 bluecheese

the push-back against evolution, by Christians seems stupid to me.

It's quite simple, really, when you put it in easy to understand terms, or use an even easier to understand visual aid.

26 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:07:27pm

re: #21 Varek Raith

Gravity=Intelligent Falling.

Now with an added link.

27 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:08:34pm

I'm surprised that Pajamas Media hasn't started posting articles on creationism and Intelligent Design under "science" yet.

28 Big Steve  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:09:20pm

regarding God and his actions I think that Mother of Big Steve said it best; "If there is a God, we have about as much chance understanding him as a cat does calculus."

29 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:10:03pm

With all of the real problems facing Illinois including the debt, if these guys get in that state is in deep trouble.

30 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:10:30pm

Ms. Garrison: All right, kids, it is now my job to teach you the theory of evolution.

Butters: Oh boy!

Ms. Garrison: Now I, for one, think evolution is a bunch of bullcrap! But I've been told I have to teach it to you anyway. It was thought up by Charles Darwin and it goes something like this...

Ms. Garrison: In the beginning, we were all fish. Okay? Swimming around in the water. And then one day a couple of fish had a retard baby, and the retard baby was different, so it got to live. So Retard Fish goes on to make more retard babies, and then one day, a retard baby fish crawled out of the ocean with its... mutant fish hands... and it had butt sex with a squirrel or something and made this.

Ms. Garrison: Retard frog-squirrel, and then that had a retard baby which was a... monkey-fish-frog... And then this monkey-fish-frog had butt sex with that monkey, and that monkey had a mutant retard baby that screwed another monkey... and that made you!

So there you go! You're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a fish-squirrel! Congratulations!

31 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:10:32pm

re: #13 Summer

O'Donnell's responses couldn't have been better if Thomas Sowell were whispering them in her ear. But after every well-thought-out answer she gave, Coons would act as if O'Donnell were speaking in tongues and make a dismissive remark to the moderators...

If Ann Coulter thinks you're smart you must be. You'd get my vote Perky Princess.
//

32 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:12:13pm

Those who advocate local control of school curricula are, knowingly or not, steering the US towards being a deeply divided, strongly hierarchical society. The Mid-Atlantic and Northeast, along with the Pacific Northwest and a smattering of other urban centres (Chicago, L.A.) will continue to develop educational thought leaders and internationally competitive workers. The Bible Belt is going to be one big Appalachia, populated by people with church-sanctioned educations, operating at about the same level as early 18th century peasants. The ramifications reach deep into our understanding of classless Amercan society, equality of opportunity, and the prospect of a widening of the gap between rich and poor. Pretty ironic that the legacy of those chest-thumping anti-European "patriots" will be to turn a large swath of the country into czarist Russia.

33 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:14:48pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

I believe there are people still registered Republican who don't pay as much attention to current events as we blog-readers do, and some others who see the problems, but believe they can "fix" the Party, so I think you're making an invalid generalization.

But not by much.

Could you leave out the cattle and swine next time, though? They are human. We have to deal with them as such.

cf. previous posts on the effects of dehumanizing people.

34 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:15:41pm

re: #29 Amory Blaine

Don't you know if you vote GOP they magically create jobs, lower taxes, and end debt? Sheesh.
//

35 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:16:01pm

re: #33 imp_62

cf. previous posts on the effects of dehumanizing people.

You get it.

36 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:16:57pm

My faith is my faith? Deep man. What a blockhead. There's a lot of other things in the bible that was once applied as science in medicine back in the days of old. If that's the case then as literalist he should stop seeing a doctor whenever he needs one and never travel by ship across the sea because he will fall off the edge of the world.

37 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:17:06pm

re: #34 theheat

Don't you know if you vote GOP they magically create jobs, lower taxes, and end debt? Sheesh.
//

Quite right. And if a few Marxists get their heads stomped on the way, that is a small price to pay for progress. The greater good, people!
//

38 Big Steve  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:17:18pm

re: #32 imp_62

Would like to politely disagree here. I am on a school board down here in the suburbs of Houston. In this past year's graduating class of 400, 381 went on to college. We also last year had 5 students win the Houston, then the Texas, then their category in the National Science Fair. BY FAR the biggest influence on student performance is the parents, followed by the talents of individual teachers. While it gets a lot of press the SBOE has very little local influence. Kids from Texas have and will continue to lead the nation in all measurable science results.

39 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:17:48pm

re: #32 imp_62

Those who advocate local control of school curricula are, knowingly or not, steering the US towards being a deeply divided, strongly hierarchical society. The Mid-Atlantic and Northeast, along with the Pacific Northwest and a smattering of other urban centres (Chicago, L.A.) will continue to develop educational thought leaders and internationally competitive workers. The Bible Belt is going to be one big Appalachia, populated by people with church-sanctioned educations, operating at about the same level as early 18th century peasants. The ramifications reach deep into our understanding of classless Amercan society, equality of opportunity, and the prospect of a widening of the gap between rich and poor. Pretty ironic that the legacy of those chest-thumping anti-European "patriots" will be to turn a large swath of the country into czarist Russia.

I think that is their actual goal, placing government and society entirely in the hands of self-perpetuating local elites. For 150 years, these elites have found the federal government an intolerable barrier to their dominance and privilege. Now, they have a mass movement that can actually do something about it.

40 Kragar  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:18:42pm

re: #34 theheat

Don't you know if you vote GOP they magically create jobs, lower taxes, and end debt? Sheesh.
//

Well, the Roman model of hiring thugs, killing off your political enemies as enemies of the state and seizing their property to pay off debt does seem to be the route we're heading.

41 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:19:05pm

re: #33 imp_62

re: #18 wrenchwench

No, I am going to very strongly disagree with you. The nicest thing to say about any current member of the GOP is that they are too stupid to comprehend what they are standing for or where this leads. Anyone who gets it, and supports it, is evil. Pure and simple evil.

I am not going to be mamby pamby about racist, ignorant, woman abusing cretins who are tearing down the fundamentals of American liberty and education while lining the pockets of greed. I am not going to play nice with hicks who step on little - girl's necks.

Anyone who is a sane Republican, needs to understand and face the fact that their party left them long go. At this point, anyone who is still in it, is suspect. The nicest thing that can be said, again is that they are just simply ignorant and stupid, but don't mean to be supporting evil.

42 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:19:50pm

re: #14 bluecheese

the push-back against evolution, by Christians seems stupid to me.

We see evolution happening, from bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics, to the flu virus changing every year, to elephants shedding their tusks to evade new predators.

The standard creationist response to this is to say that microevolution happens, sure, but "macroevolution has never been observed", which is how you can tell the person you're arguing with has stale peanut butter for brains.

43 garhighway  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:20:02pm

re: #24 Rightwingconspirator

I'd love to see them deny action/reaction. Or how a prism works. Or why ice floats. Or...
-oh sorry. I do get carried away.

They deny nothing. They explain everything with "because that's how God wants it". Gravity, the rainbow, ice floating, gays being condemned to eternal hell, you name it.

44 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:20:23pm

re: #38 Big Steve

Texas doesn't lead. It's about at national average.

[Link: nces.ed.gov...]

45 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:20:29pm

re: #38 Big Steve

Would like to politely disagree here. I am on a school board down here in the suburbs of Houston. In this past year's graduating class of 400, 381 went on to college. We also last year had 5 students win the Houston, then the Texas, then their category in the National Science Fair. BY FAR the biggest influence on student performance is the parents, followed by the talents of individual teachers. While it gets a lot of press the SBOE has very little local influence. Kids from Texas have and will continue to lead the nation in all measurable science results.

That's current reality. Wait til the right-wing freaknuts get hold of your science curriculum.

46 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:21:15pm

re: #41 LudwigVanQuixote

Anyone who is a sane Republican, needs to understand and face the fact that their party left them long go. At this point, anyone who is still in it, is suspect. The nicest thing that can be said, again is that they are just simply ignorant and stupid, but don't mean to be supporting evil.

Thanks. I haven't changed my registration yet.

47 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:22:04pm

re: #41 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #18 wrenchwench

No, I am going to very strongly disagree with you. The nicest thing to say about any current member of the GOP is that they are too stupid to comprehend what they are standing for or where this leads. Anyone who gets it, and supports it, is evil. Pure and simple evil.

I am not going to be mamby pamby about racist, ignorant, woman abusing cretins who are tearing down the fundamentals of American liberty and education while lining the pockets of greed. I am not going to play nice with hicks who step on little - girl's necks.

Anyone who is a sane Republican, needs to understand and face the fact that their party left them long go. At this point, anyone who is still in it, is suspect. The nicest thing that can be said, again is that they are just simply ignorant and stupid, but don't mean to be supporting evil.

I agree with your positions 100%. But there are better, more valid rhetorical devices than equating humans with cattle or worse. That never leads anywhere you want to be.

48 abbyadams  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:22:21pm

The opposing ticket, IMHO, should win for its creative advertising.

I hate political ads, but that was pretty good to watch.

Also, Plummer in that ad = painful.

49 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:22:24pm

re: #38 Big Steve

I need to find it again, but demographically two Texas cities had some of the lowest literacy rates in the nation.

50 sagehen  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:23:06pm

Here's a pretty good ad from the Illinois race:

Youtube Video

..

..

51 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:23:07pm

Local school boards must be allowed the option to grant the teaching of geocentrism in science class alongside heliocentrism (which is still only a theory). -- Illinois GOP

/

52 abbyadams  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:23:37pm

re: #50 sagehen

You win, yours is embedded. :-)

53 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:24:24pm

re: #46 wrenchwench

Thanks. I haven't changed my registration yet.

Heh, me neither. Let's go roll in the mud together, and make snorting noises. Whaddaya say?

54 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:24:46pm

re: #46 wrenchwench

Thanks. I haven't changed my registration yet.

Why not?

What is there that you can possibly defend? I am not calling you stupid. You are not. I am not calling you evil. You are not.

Is it just laziness on your part to not be independent? Are you hoping against hope that somehow you can turn the tide of this from within the GOP, when heavy hitters tried to do so and were cast out and called RINOs?

Do you actually buy any of the shit that is in their current platform?

55 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:24:59pm

re: #46 wrenchwench

Thanks. I haven't changed my registration yet.

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh, me neither. Let's go roll in the mud together, and make snorting noises. Whaddaya say?

The Sith will welcome you both.

56 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:25:25pm

re: #39 Shiplord Kirel

I think that is their actual goal, placing government and society entirely in the hands of self-perpetuating local elites. For 150 years, these elites have found the federal government an intolerable barrier to their dominance and privilege. Now, they have a mass movement that can actually do something about it.

Agreed. And that is why their success has taken the rest of the political class by surprise. The intent is so clear, and even if it is not explicitly stated as a programmatic point, the probable outcomes so obvious, that is incomprehensible that people are signing on for this. It's like having a stand at the fair with a sign out front: "Get shot in head! Free T-Shirt!" But people line up cause nobody ever gave them a free t-shirt before.

GTG - BBL

57 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:26:37pm

re: #51 Gus 802

Local school boards must be allowed the option to grant the teaching of geocentrism in science class alongside heliocentrism (which is still only a theory). -- Illinois GOP

/

Phlogiston. Just saying.

58 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:26:51pm

re: #48 abbyadams

The opposing ticket, IMHO, should win for its creative advertising.

I hate political ads, but that was pretty good to watch.

Also, Plummer in that ad = painful.

Yet another GOPbot with the IQ of a pumpkin and the charm of a fried tampon.

59 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:27:10pm

re: #54 LudwigVanQuixote

It's enlightening to get GOP mailers around election time. They usually don't hold back on any of their positions when they thing their preaching to the converted.

60 albusteve  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:27:32pm

re: #54 LudwigVanQuixote

Why not?

What is there that you can possibly defend? I am not calling you stupid. You are not. I am not calling you evil. You are not.

Is it just laziness on your part to not be independent? Are you hoping against hope that somehow you can turn the tide of this from within the GOP, when heavy hitters tried to do so and were cast out and called RINOs?

Do you actually buy any of the shit that is in their current platform?

change one's affiliation because of a crackpot minority?....it's politics, not some earth shaking, life changing storm...jus sayin

61 Kragar  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:27:48pm

re: #55 Varek Raith

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth


The Sith will welcome you both.

Xenos addled heretics.

62 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:28:54pm

re: #60 albusteve

Hey bro, how you feeling?

63 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:28:56pm

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Xenos addled heretics.

You are like a second shadow.
BEGONE!

64 abbyadams  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:29:14pm

re: #58 LudwigVanQuixote

I had to upding because I've never seen the word "tampon" come after "fried" before.

65 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:29:26pm

re: #59 Slumbering Behemoth

It's enlightening to get GOP mailers around election time. They usually don't hold back on any of their positions when they thing their preaching to the converted.

Yeah. ON look at their platforms - which are on all of their sate sites wil show the same crap. Darwin out of school, gay bashing, war mongering, bizarre economic theories that have failed again and again - with ever increasing damage - soft racism, some more hard racism and of course, AGW denial, lots of support for their corporate masters and Jesus.

66 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:29:44pm

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh, me neither. Let's go roll in the mud together, and make snorting noises. Whaddaya say?

Film it, put it to that horrible Air Supply song "Makin' Love Out of Nothing At All", and post it to Youtube.

67 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:30:03pm

Coming up next: bloodletting.

/

68 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:30:06pm

re: #64 abbyadams

I had to upding because I've never seen the word "tampon" come after "fried" before.

Thank you.

I got the idea after thinking of a skit of a vampire McDonald's.

69 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:30:45pm

re: #60 albusteve

change one's affiliation because of a crackpot minority?...it's politics, not some earth shaking, life changing storm...jus sayin

They are the crackpot majority. That is sort of the point.

70 Kragar  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:31:10pm

re: #63 Varek Raith

You are like a second shadow.
BEGONE!

No one expects His Emperor's Holy Inquistion!

=][=

71 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:31:19pm

re: #64 abbyadams

I had to upding because I've never seen the word "tampon" come after "fried" before.

Then you've obviously never been to a Texas State Fair.

72 albusteve  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:31:26pm

re: #62 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey bro, how you feeling?

not so bad right now...just nosing around here for a bit

73 sagehen  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:31:49pm

re: #60 albusteve

change one's affiliation because of a crackpot minority?...it's politics, not some earth shaking, life changing storm...jus sayin


We're trying to tell you, the crackpots *aren't* a minority in the party anymore. They're the critical mass, they choose the nominees, they set the policy agenda, they're *it*.

A line the liberal blogs have been using for a few year, but now the Independents have adopted it as well, "it's not your father's Republican party." That's why there's so many Independents... they're horrified to share a label with the loons.

74 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:32:23pm

After that I'm going to a barber for my appendectomy.

/

75 albusteve  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:32:24pm

re: #69 LudwigVanQuixote

They are the crackpot majority. That is sort of the point.

prove it to me

76 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:32:38pm

re: #71 negativ

Then you've obviously never been to a Texas State Fair.

o_O

2005 Most Creative Viva Las Vegas Fried Ice Cream
2005 Best Taste Fried PB, Jelly and Banana Sandwich
2006 Most Creative Fried Coke
2006 Best Taste Fried Praline Perfection
2007 Most Creative Deep Fried Latte
2007 Best Taste Texas Fried Cookie Dough
2008 Most Creative Fried Banana Split
2008 Best Taste Chicken Fried Bacon
2009 Most Creative Deep Fried Butter
2009 Best Taste Fernie's Deep Fried Peaches & Cream
2010 Most Creative Fried Beer™
2010 Best Taste Texas Fried FRITOS® Pie

77 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:32:58pm

re: #54 LudwigVanQuixote

Why not?

What is there that you can possibly defend? I am not calling you stupid. You are not. I am not calling you evil. You are not.

Is it just laziness on your part to not be independent? Are you hoping against hope that somehow you can turn the tide of this from within the GOP, when heavy hitters tried to do so and were cast out and called RINOs?

Do you actually buy any of the shit that is in their current platform?

If I defend anything, it's that I haven't gotten around to it yet. Laziness on getting over to the County Clerk's office, not laziness about being independent.

I've only been a Republican for about three years. I was a Democrat for a couple of weeks a few years before that.

78 abbyadams  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:33:07pm

re: #68 LudwigVanQuixote

Until I read your comment, the best use of tampon in that context that I'd ever seen was a short story that concerned a vampire bartender lamenting a lack of supplies - his quote was "there wasn't even a tampon to make a cup of tea."

79 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:33:14pm

re: #65 LudwigVanQuixote

Not really so much out here in California on the larger scale. On the local scale, your mileage may vary.

As I was saying last night, R's and D's from one part of the country will not look or sound anything like R's and D's from another part. Take for example the invasive sonogram abortion law in Louisianan. Sponsored by a D, and voted for by nearly as many D's as R's.

80 sagehen  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:33:15pm

re: #71 negativ

Then you've obviously never been to a Texas State Fair.

Deep-fried butter? Really?

Heart attack on a stick.

81 garhighway  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:33:42pm

re: #75 albusteve

prove it to me

Every GOP Senatorial candidate less one is a global warming denier or skeptic.

82 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:33:43pm

This report is outdated. I'm still looking for the report I found a couple months ago.

Texas has an illiterate rate twice as large as the country’s average, and Bexar County’s illiteracy rate is generally higher than the state average. San Antonio has an illiteracy rate consistently higher than Bexar County throughout this four-year period. Houston and Dallas demonstrate the same tendency toward higher local illiteracy rates.
83 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:34:12pm

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

*Snort*

84 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:34:30pm

re: #66 negativ

Film it, put it to that horrible Air Supply song "Makin' Love Out of Nothing At All", and post it to Youtube.

Dude! You are so hired to be the director. Let's make this damn thing!

85 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:34:45pm

re: #75 albusteve

prove it to me

Well, looking at the number of baggers who won the primaries for the senate and house might be a good place to start. Please Steve, you aren't dumb. So rather than waste your time with a few thousand links you will never look at, I will instead, point you to a blog that has been covering this very well for about two years. It's called Little Green Footballs. There are literally thousands of posts on this blog - which you don't read, but perhaps should, that back up what I am saying.

86 albusteve  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:34:55pm

re: #81 garhighway

Every GOP Senatorial candidate less one is a global warming denier or skeptic.

I'm talking about creationists...show me where they are a majority of the GOP

87 Kragar  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:35:22pm

Extreme Sheep Herding

Youtube Video
88 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:35:58pm

re: #79 Slumbering Behemoth

Not really so much out here in California on the larger scale. On the local scale, your mileage may vary.

As I was saying last night, R's and D's from one part of the country will not look or sound anything like R's and D's from another part. Take for example the invasive sonogram abortion law in Louisianan. Sponsored by a D, and voted for by nearly as many D's as R's.

OK fine - even taking that variation into account, I really need only point to this very blog to remind you of how widespread an issue this is.

89 sagehen  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:36:10pm

re: #75 albusteve

prove it to me

Exhibit A: Michelle Bachman.
Exhibit B: Rand Paul
Exhibit C: Sharon Angle
Exhibit D: Christine O'Donnell
Exhibit E: Sarah Palin
Exhibit F: Glenn Beck
Exhibit G: Rush Limbaugh

that's off the top of my head. If I were motivated to google, I'd be able to run the alphabet.

90 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:36:20pm

re: #72 albusteve

Good to hear. I'm rooting for ya.
/or is that "rutting"? sometimes I get those confused.

91 albusteve  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:36:21pm

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, looking at the number of baggers who won the primaries for the senate and house might be a good place to start. Please Steve, you aren't dumb. So rather than waste your time with a few thousand links you will never look at, I will instead, point you to a blog that has been covering this very well for about two years. It's called Little Green Footballs. There are literally thousands of posts on this blog - which you don't read, but perhaps should, that back up what I am saying.

no need to be condescending...creationists are not the majority of the GOP

92 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:36:55pm

re: #86 albusteve

I'm talking about creationists...show me where they are a majority of the GOP

And almost all of the current running crop for the house and senate is a creationist. In fact, there was a thread about that on this blog you might like to read. It's called Little Green Footballs.

93 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:37:35pm

re: #89 sagehen

Exhibit A: Michelle Bachman.
Exhibit B: Rand Paul
Exhibit C: Sharon Angle
Exhibit D: Christine O'Donnell
Exhibit E: Sarah Palin
Exhibit F: Glenn Beck
Exhibit G: Rush Limbaugh

that's off the top of my head. If I were motivated to google, I'd be able to run the alphabet.

And more.

94 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:37:51pm

re: #91 albusteve

It might be easier if you named the players that aren't. Can you think of any? You can pretty much scratch off anyone who attended the last Value Voter's summit. (Whoops.)

95 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:38:15pm

Or my favorite medical cure of yore: the animal sacrifice. Get sick? All you need to do is sacrifice a goat and you'll be cured! Got to let it bleed first.

/

96 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:39:11pm

re: #95 Gus 802

Or my favorite medical cure of yore: the animal sacrifice. Get sick? All you need to do is sacrifice a goat and you'll be cured! Got to let it bleed first.

/

I'll get the Ewoks!

97 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:39:25pm

re: #89 sagehen

Exhibit A: Michelle Bachman.
Exhibit B: Rand Paul
Exhibit C: Sharon Angle
Exhibit D: Christine O'Donnell
Exhibit E: Sarah Palin
Exhibit F: Glenn Beck
Exhibit G: Rush Limbaugh

that's off the top of my head. If I were motivated to google, I'd be able to run the alphabet.

As we are often reminded that bad actors like Medea Benjamin do not hold a public office nor are in the running for one, I feel the need to edit that list a little. Those people still suck, though.

98 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:40:15pm

re: #91 albusteve

no need to be condescending...creationists are not the majority of the GOP

Don't be too sure. I called Susana Martinez's office [Republican candidate for Gov. of NM] to find out whether she is, and they said yes. I'm hoping the little old lady on the phone was mistaken (Martinez is Catholic, and they aren't creationists by doctrine) but why would she say yes if she didn't know? And my question was specifically about whether it should be taught in school.

99 albusteve  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:40:50pm

re: #94 theheat

It might be easier if you named the players that aren't. Can you think of any? You can pretty much scratch off anyone who attended the last Value Voter's summit. (Whoops.)

you ask the impossible...I do not believe the majority of republicans are creationists regardless of pundits and office seekers...I'll wait for proof rather than simply accept the status quo meme here

100 Kragar  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:41:20pm

re: #96 Varek Raith

I'll get the Ewoks!

Look out, they've got sticks!

101 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:41:25pm

re: #98 wrenchwench

...why would she say yes if she didn't know?

Librul plant?
/

102 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:42:02pm

re: #100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Look out, they've got sticks!

And I have Tesla Power Armor.
Big whoop.

103 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:42:47pm

re: #88 LudwigVanQuixote

The point is that blind faith partisanship for any party is not a virtue.

104 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:42:53pm

re: #96 Varek Raith

I'll get the Ewoks!

And with these Ewoks I bring forth their damu to bring you balatu and all the inhabitants of Varek land!

He thence forth split the skies and millions perished only to suffer the eternity of hell. And from those that perished He created The Holy Liver.

It is written.

//

105 webevintage  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:43:42pm

Well the Rand Paul thing gets a bit nastier...the guys specifically targeted this activist:


I have been at a bunch of events before, the previous debate, and the Rand Paul campaign knows me and they have expressed their distastes for my work before. What happened last night was that about five minutes before Rand Paul's car arrived they identified me and my partner, Alex, who was with me. They surrounded me. There was five of them. They motioned to each other and got behind me. My partner Alex heard them say 'We are here to do crowd control we might have to take someone out.'
When Rand Paul's car arrived a couple of them stepped in front of me so I stepped off the curb to get around them to get back out front. At that point they started grabbing for me and I ran all the way around the car with them in pursuit. The footage is after I've run all the way around the car and I'm in front of the car and that is when they took me down. One or two people twisted my arms behind my back and took me down... It was about two-to-three second after that that another person stomped on my head. And I lay there for 20 seconds or so and my partner Alex came and got me up and that's the point where there is the media clip of me speaking.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

106 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:44:18pm

re: #92 LudwigVanQuixote

We do still have to wait and see if they can gain power or just parade on by the bye as Electable In Primaries Only. I suspect it will go largely EIPO. If O'Donnell, and Angle and Rand Paul all lose, the Tea Party will be no more than a weak tea hangover. And Sarah will have even less prospects than now.

107 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:44:33pm

You ever notice how a million people have to die and some weird and strange sexual arrangement is made in...

Never mind.

//

108 Kragar  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:44:52pm

re: #102 Varek Raith

And I have Tesla Power Armor.
Big whoop.

Found some suits of T-51b armor but can't wear them yet.

109 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:44:58pm

re: #91 albusteve

no need to be condescending...creationists are not the majority of the GOP

but they are, not only creationists but young Earth creationists:
Republicans, Democrats Differ on Creationism(Gallup Poll, June 20th 2008)

There is a significant political divide in beliefs about the origin of human beings, with 60% of Republicans saying humans were created in their present form by God 10,000 years ago, a belief shared by only 40% of independents and 38% of Democrats.

This was over 2 years ago, when the GOP leadership was nowhere near as subservient to the creation lobby as it is today. This situation can only have gotten worse.

110 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:45:13pm

re: #102 Varek Raith

And I have Tesla Power Armor.
Big whoop.

Lucas Laws of Physics: 101

"Sticks, stones, and teddy bears > lasers, power armor, advanced weaponized vehicles"

111 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:45:34pm

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

The point is that blind faith partisanship for any party is not a virtue.

Have you ever seen me write anything other than the Dems are weak, disorganized, spineless, and too interested in their petty fiefdoms to act in concert for the common good?

No one is talking about being blind to either party.

The real issue here is an attempt at the magical balance fairy yet again. There is literally nothing to defend about the current GOP platform or the cretins they are running.

112 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:46:09pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Found some suits of T-51b armor but can't wear them yet.

My character does too.
She just doesn't like wearing icky good guy armor.

113 Kragar  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:47:45pm

re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth

Lucas Laws of Physics: 101

"Sticks, stones, and teddy bears > lasers, power armor, advanced weaponized vehicles"

Emperor Palpatine's crack troops never learned how to clear fields of fire or establish a perimeter apparently. Also, in 20 years, they went from wearing at least somewhat camouflaged uniforms into stark white and black no matter what the environment.

114 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:47:54pm

Noah didn't just save the animals. He also got sodomized on the boat.

Allegedly.

//

115 garhighway  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:47:56pm

re: #86 albusteve

I'm talking about creationists...show me where they are a majority of the GOP

I doubt that they are. But I would bet that a majority of their candidates for higher office are. I suspect (but cannot prove) that there is a high correlation between being an AGW denier/skeptic and an ID/creationist/"teach the controversy" believer, as the disbelief in modern science is the common element.

116 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:48:12pm

re: #111 LudwigVanQuixote

Dude, don't get defensive. I am not accusing you or anyone else of being a blind partisan with that example.

117 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:49:24pm

re: #111 LudwigVanQuixote

And excuse me but...

I was only stating a fact, and there is no magical balance fairy in a fact.

118 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:50:06pm

re: #116 Slumbering Behemoth

Dude, don't get defensive. I am not accusing you or anyone else of being a blind partisan with that example.

I am not being defensive. I am simply tired of hearing from anyone how the GOP somehow isn't a party of idiocy, ignorance, race baiting, low-brow bible thumping, bad ideas, corporate greed, and out and out evil.

119 Kragar  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:50:54pm

re: #112 Varek Raith

My character does too.
She just doesn't like wearing icky good guy armor.

Disgusing yourself is great. I've been wiping out Legion Patrols like its cool using the suits I got in Nipton.

120 garhighway  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:51:37pm

re: #115 garhighway

I doubt that they are. But I would bet that a majority of their candidates for higher office are. I suspect (but cannot prove) that there is a high correlation between being an AGW denier/skeptic and an ID/creationist/"teach the controversy" believer, as the disbelief in modern science is the common element.

And I stand corrected. It is worse than I thought. The majority of republicans are indeed Young Earth Creationists, as demonstrated in the Gallup Poll mentioned above.

Geez, that sucks.

[Link: www.gallup.com...]

121 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:51:42pm

re: #118 LudwigVanQuixote

I am not being defensive. I am simply tired of hearing from anyone how the GOP somehow isn't a party of idiocy, ignorance, race baiting, low-brow bible thumping, bad ideas, corporate greed, and out and out evil.

You're talking to the wrong person with that. Is it truly your intention to apply to me words I have not said here?

122 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:53:16pm

re: #120 garhighway

And I stand corrected. It is worse than I thought. The majority of republicans are indeed Young Earth Creationists, as demonstrated in the Gallup Poll mentioned above.

Geez, that sucks.

[Link: www.gallup.com...]

People are, strange. They think that if they don't believe in creationism they won't get the nice hotel room to spend the rest of eternity after death.

123 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:53:55pm

re: #122 Gus 802

People are, strange. They think that if they don't believe in creationism they won't get the nice hotel room to spend the rest of eternity after death.

Awesome wings and horns > Nice hotel room.

124 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:54:24pm

You'll float in the sky above the clouds with wings and harp. Where all the days are sunny and you sleep like a baby.

For 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, years.

125 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:54:26pm

re: #105 webevintage

Well the Rand Paul thing gets a bit nastier...the guys specifically targeted this activist:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

That is the first thing I've seen (actually the TPM version of the same info was first) that makes sense of that fact that a guy would want to put his foot on someone who was obviously already subdued. It was personal.

126 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:55:31pm

Josh Marshall Tweet:

Crazed Aqua Buddhist forces woman to bow down and worship his shoe with her head
127 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:55:35pm

OT: Sears has zombified it's website. Happy Halloween!

128 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:56:47pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

Good find. It certainly doesn't make it sound like a spur of the moment, defensive thing. They were waiting to kick some ass. Sick fucks.

129 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:57:09pm

re: #127 Slumbering Behemoth

OT: Sears has zombified it's website. Happy Halloween!

Oh noz! Boycott Sears! They are of the debil!

/

130 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:57:11pm

re: #121 Slumbering Behemoth

You're talking to the wrong person with that. Is it truly your intention to apply to me words I have not said here?

Of course not. I am not trying to pick a fight with you at all. I'm just getting sick of the direction this nation is taking. Its utterly depraved and evil. I am tired of any language that doesn't acknowledge it. It won't stop until people stand up to it, and they won't do that until they stop pretending these thugs are anything other than proto nazi scum.

131 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:57:31pm

re: #127 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm giddy!

132 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:59:12pm

re: #129 Gus 802

Oh noz! Boycott Sears! They are of the debil!

/

Oh, just great. Another culture warrior trying to destroy American traditions with their War on Halloween. Decline. DECLINE I SAY!
/

133 kirkspencer  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:59:19pm

re: #124 Gus 802

You'll float in the sky above the clouds with wings and harp. Where all the days are sunny and you sleep like a baby.

For 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000, years.

Then they'll let you join the choir.

134 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 2:59:39pm

Here's the good news. Of sorts.

Image: s_ff8lvlpe-7g8anx-amsg.gif

Notice how the numbers are in favor of evolution with those 18 to 34.

135 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:00:49pm

re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote

Of course not. I am not trying to pick a fight with you at all.

Nor am I with you, so I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't sling that Magical Balance Fairy bullshit at me for stating a simple fact. Cool?

136 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:05:02pm

re: #134 Gus 802

Which is exactly why we need to cram creationism into every American school RIGHT NOW! We are losing potential sheep that will send us wads of money er.. losing ground in the war for America's soul.
/

137 insanity police  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:07:34pm

Law and Order meets creationism platform: Only if I see any half monkey, half humanoid creatures will I believe in evolution... and if that happens then I will prosecute them humanokeys to the full extent of natural law.

138 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:08:13pm

re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote

Of course not. I am not trying to pick a fight with you at all. I'm just getting sick of the direction this nation is taking. Its utterly depraved and evil. I am tired of any language that doesn't acknowledge it. It won't stop until people stand up to it, and they won't do that until they stop pretending these thugs are anything other than proto nazi scum.

Proto-Nazi scum? All that's missing is the really, really overt signs, such as full-scale street wars between factions and actual brownshirts (the Drop Zone thugs come pretty close to that, but the numbers weren't there)...

139 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:08:38pm

re: #137 insanity police

Law and Order meets creationism platform: Only if I see any half monkey, half humanoid creatures will I believe in evolution... and if that happens then I will prosecute them humanokeys to the full extent of natural law.

[Link: books.google.com...]

140 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:09:33pm

OT But just want to say here's hoping for a speedy recovery for Carly Fiorina.

141 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:09:54pm

re: #138 talon_262

Proto-Nazi scum? All that's missing is the really, really overt signs, such as full-scale street wars between factions and actual brownshirts (the Drop Zone thugs come pretty close to that, but the numbers weren't there)...

Patience, Grasshopper.

142 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:11:36pm

re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote

Of course not. I am not trying to pick a fight with you at all. I'm just getting sick of the direction this nation is taking. Its utterly depraved and evil. I am tired of any language that doesn't acknowledge it. It won't stop until people stand up to it, and they won't do that until they stop pretending these thugs are anything other than proto nazi scum.

Not proto-Nazi. Proto-fascist or fascistoid, more like. Nazism is/was a subset of Fascism, not vice-versa. It's not clear that racism would take the same front seat in an evolving Tea Party as it did in the Nazi party. I think the leanings are more jingoistic than racist, although of course there is a well-documented racist faction of the Tea Party.

143 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:12:18pm

re: #140 Gus 802

OT But just want to say here's hoping for a speedy recovery for Carly Fiorina.

That's nice of you. I don't know what is wrong with her. I certainly don't wish her death. But if God could grant that she can't run, that would be a mercy for this nation.

144 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:13:13pm

re: #143 LudwigVanQuixote

That's nice of you. I don't know what is wrong with her. I certainly don't wish her death. But if God could grant that she can't run, that would be a mercy for this nation.

While I prefer to keep God well away from my politics, I tend to agree with you.

145 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:13:25pm

re: #142 imp_62

Not proto-Nazi. Proto-fascist or fascistoid, more like. Nazism is/was a subset of Fascism, not vice-versa. It's not clear that racism would take the same front seat in an evolving Tea Party as it did in the Nazi party. I think the leanings are more jingoistic than racist, although of course there is a well-documented racist faction of the Tea Party.

Street battles are so 30s. The Putsch will be live-blogged.

146 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:13:27pm

re: #143 LudwigVanQuixote

That's nice of you. I don't know what is wrong with her. I certainly don't wish her death. But if God could grant that she can't run, that would be a mercy for this nation.

She's in the hospital with an infection related to prior breast reconstruction due to breast cancer.

147 palomino  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:13:49pm

In some ways America has made tremendous advances. Black president, woman sec of state, more women on SC, etc, etc.

But in some ways we're stuck in 1925 and the Scopes Monkey Trial still isn't over. The same pre-modern forces that criminalized teaching evolution 85 years ago are at work.

The hostility to education, science and secularism doesn't befit a great nation. Indeed we would be a far greater nation were we (ever) to get past this.

148 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:16:04pm

re: #143 LudwigVanQuixote

That's nice of you. I don't know what is wrong with her. I certainly don't wish her death. But if God could grant that she can't run, that would be a mercy for this nation.

Carly Fiorina hospitalized in California

149 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:17:16pm

re: #142 imp_62

Not proto-Nazi. Proto-fascist or fascistoid, more like. Nazism is/was a subset of Fascism, not vice-versa. It's not clear that racism would take the same front seat in an evolving Tea Party as it did in the Nazi party. I think the leanings are more jingoistic than racist, although of course there is a well-documented racist faction of the Tea Party.

I am not going to quibble this with you. I really don't care to. There are more than enough parallels to make the connection. You are correct that the outward manifestation is different. We have country music, they had ummmpahh bands. We have Jesus freaks in cowboy boots and they had Wagner worshipers in lederhosen. We have corporate backed jingoism, they had corporate backed jingoism. We have a white majority being daily terrified about communists and socialists. They had a white majority being daily terrified about communists and socialists. We have white people being terrified at losing the real America to others. They had white people being terrified at losing the real Germany to others. Do I need to go on? Apparantly I do.

I am sick of people not being able to see the forest for the trees.

150 palomino  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:17:33pm

re: #142 imp_62

Not proto-Nazi. Proto-fascist or fascistoid, more like. Nazism is/was a subset of Fascism, not vice-versa. It's not clear that racism would take the same front seat in an evolving Tea Party as it did in the Nazi party. I think the leanings are more jingoistic than racist, although of course there is a well-documented racist faction of the Tea Party.

I think it's the mix of race and Obama's "foreign-ness", so sort of racist xenophobia might be the best description of the tea party. People like Condi Rice and Colin Powell, were he a "real conservative", could probably get by in the TP (not that he would want to).

151 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:17:59pm

re: #147 palomino

In some ways America has made tremendous advances. Black president, woman sec of state, more women on SC, etc, etc.

But in some ways we're stuck in 1925 and the Scopes Monkey Trial still isn't over. The same pre-modern forces that criminalized teaching evolution 85 years ago are at work.

The hostility to education, science and secularism doesn't befit a great nation. Indeed we would be a far greater nation were we (ever) to get past this.

It's the whiplash effect. Certain segments of the population feel left behind by the rapid advances made by other segments, and have lost essentially American belief that they could catch up with hard work and ingenuity. Add a dash of conspiracy theory and wounded (racial) pride, fiery oratory, and voilà! instant 1930s. Add economic woes and shake.

152 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:19:02pm

re: #140 Gus 802

I'll second that. I didn't vote for her (permanent absentee), but I do hope she has a quick recovery.

153 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:19:12pm

DF you're made of sterner stuff than I, (last time I checked you were planning to vote for these two am I wrong?)

154 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:19:48pm

Here is the summary to date of the Lizard nominees for "Those who must never be elected" page (Lizard Sanity Check). I won't be in close touch until nearly election day--will be on a bus to the Fear Sanity rally.

These are the anti-nominees running in this election:

Michele Bachmann (R - Mars)
Rand Paul, R, KY, Senate.
Ron Paul, R TX, US House
Kesha Rogers, D, TX US House?
Carl Paldino, R, NY, Governor
Sharon Angle, R, Nevada, Senate
Christine O'Donnell, R, Delaware, Senate

People have suggested individuals not running this cycle, who should be given advance tickets for the 2012 Crazy Train:

Sarah Palin, R(TP) AK
Rick Santoro, R, PA

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Last chance to anti-nominate your favorites.

155 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:20:54pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Have an enjoyable bus ride!

156 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:21:35pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Here is the summary to date of the Lizard nominees for "Those who must never be elected" page (Lizard Sanity Check). I won't be in close touch until nearly election day--will be on a bus to the Fear Sanity rally.

These are the anti-nominees running in this election:

Michele Bachmann (R - Mars)
Rand Paul, R, KY, Senate.
Ron Paul, R TX, US House
Kesha Rogers, D, TX US House?
Carl Paldino, R, NY, Governor
Sharon Angle, R, Nevada, Senate
Christine O'Donnell, R, Delaware, Senate

People have suggested individuals not running this cycle, who should be given advance tickets for the 2012 Crazy Train:

Sarah Palin, R(TP) AK
Rick Santoro, R, PA

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Last chance to anti-nominate your favorites.

Hey! I've got a potential late addition for that list: Joe Miller.

157 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:22:28pm

re: #149 LudwigVanQuixote

I am not going to quibble this with you. I really don't care to. There are more than enough parallels to make the connection. You are correct that the outward manifestation is different. We have country music, they had ummmpahh bands. We have Jesus freaks in cowboy boots and they had Wagner worshipers in lederhosen. We have corporate backed jingoism, they had corporate backed jingoism. We have a white majority being daily terrified about communists and socialists. They had a white majority being daily terrified about communists and socialists. We have white people being terrified at losing the real America to others. They had white people being terrified at losing the real Germany to others. Do I need to go on? Apparantly I do.

I am sick of people not being able to see the forest for the trees.

You clearly have very strong feelings about your position on this. My only contention is that it is too early to tell how the parallels will develop. I am certainly not making a value-driven comparative argument about the relative evils of Nazism and other forms of fascism. But history is a source of learning and patterning; it does not necessarily repeat itself point-for-point.

158 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:23:41pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

Have an enjoyable bus ride!

They made me one of the Atlanta busmeisters. I'm supposed to assure that no vun has an enjoyable ride. Wife and I are still debating what that entails.

159 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:24:30pm

re: #157 imp_62

You clearly have very strong feelings about your position on this. My only contention is that it is too early to tell how the parallels will develop. I am certainly not making a value-driven comparative argument about the relative evils of Nazism and other forms of fascism. But history is a source of learning and patterning; it does not necessarily repeat itself point-for-point.

But it often does rhyme.


“When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross...."

160 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:25:39pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

Patience, Grasshopper.

Lord, I hope that never materializes, as it did in Weimar Germany.

I never thought I'd say this (or even think it), but does anyone else (besides perhaps Ludwig) think that the GOP may be beyond help at this point in time? Until some Buckley- or Goldwater-types take control and tells the wingnuts to STFU and STFD (if they're not run out on a rail first), anyone left in the GOP who is sane and has been paying attention (like me) is shit outta luck, unless they go independent.

The TPers and wingnuts are loud and proud and running the GOP into a ditch the size of the Laurentian Abyss.

161 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:26:52pm

re: #160 talon_262

Lord, I hope that never materializes, as it did in Weimar Germany.

I never thought I'd say this (or even think it), but does anyone else (besides perhaps Ludwig) think that the GOP may be beyond help at this point in time? Until some Buckley- or Goldwater-types take control and tells the wingnuts to STFU and STFD (if they're not run out on a rail first), anyone left in the GOP who is sane and has been paying attention (like me) is shit outta luck, unless they go independent.

The TPers and wingnuts are loud and proud and running the GOP into a ditch the size of the Laurentian Abyss.

Its beyond pity if nothing else.

162 garhighway  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:27:22pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Here is the summary to date of the Lizard nominees for "Those who must never be elected" page (Lizard Sanity Check). I won't be in close touch until nearly election day--will be on a bus to the Fear Sanity rally.

These are the anti-nominees running in this election:

Michele Bachmann (R - Mars)
Rand Paul, R, KY, Senate.
Ron Paul, R TX, US House
Kesha Rogers, D, TX US House?
Carl Paldino, R, NY, Governor
Sharon Angle, R, Nevada, Senate
Christine O'Donnell, R, Delaware, Senate

People have suggested individuals not running this cycle, who should be given advance tickets for the 2012 Crazy Train:

Sarah Palin, R(TP) AK
Rick Santoro, R, PA

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Last chance to anti-nominate your favorites.

It's "Santorum". As in:

[Link: www.spreadingsantorum.com...]

163 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:27:39pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

They made me one of the Atlanta busmeisters. I'm supposed to assure that no vun has an enjoyable ride. Wife and I are still debating what that entails.

You have a little bitty grandchild, right? The crying combined with a smelly diaper is an old Greyhound classic.

164 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:27:42pm

re: #160 talon_262

Lord, I hope that never materializes, as it did in Weimar Germany.

I never thought I'd say this (or even think it), but does anyone else (besides perhaps Ludwig) think that the GOP may be beyond help at this point in time? Until some Buckley- or Goldwater-types take control and tells the wingnuts to STFU and STFD (if they're not run out on a rail first), anyone left in the GOP who is sane and has been paying attention (like me) is shit outta luck, unless they go independent.

The TPers and wingnuts are loud and proud and running the GOP into a ditch the size of the Laurentian Abyss.

GOP as we knew it is dead. Anything centrist or mainstream conservative will have to emerge from the ashes in some new form. Any non-ultra candidates will have their platforms hijacked by the jackbooted bible thumpers.

165 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:27:56pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Ken Buck - R - Colorado, Senate
Bill Brady - R - Illinois, Governor
Jason Plummer - R - Illinois, Lt. Governor
Rick Perry - R - Texas, Governor

166 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:28:13pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

You have a little bitty grandchild, right? The crying combined with a smelly diaper is an old Greyhound classic.

And the unforgettable stench of the on-board toilets.

167 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:29:50pm

re: #165 theheat

Ken Buck - R - Colorado, Senate
Bill Brady - R - Illinois, Governor
Jason Plummer - R - Illinois, Lt. Governor
Rick Perry - R - Texas, Governor

///But there is one democrat on the list so both parties are just as bad!

168 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:29:52pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

"Those who must never be elected"

i worry about more than the crazyness on the surface, though

(warning: political screed to follow here)

i think there are two republican parties that i am against: the liars and the gullible

the agenda of the liars is to free big business from any restraint - any safety or fair play regulations, and any taxes. they also have been successful in depressing the wages and benefits of most working americans. the big money that really runs the GOP is really only interested in this agenda

all the crazy stupid nazi shit is just fodder to get the rank and file stupid and gullible millions out to vote for them. a show, a spectacle, but one that threatens to get out of hand and plunge us into darkness

it took this rank and file about 26 years to realize that the reagan/bush/bush republicans were, as they put it, "not delivering conservatism". they dimly understand that they were being used, but they are willing to swallow the bait one more time this year

will they ever really figure out the real story?

169 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:30:14pm

re: #166 imp_62

And the unforgettable stench of the on-board toilets.

When I was still riding Greyhounds, they allowed smoking in the rear seats, which made the toilets less bad. Sort of. In comparison, or something.

170 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:30:30pm

OK Unlike that one town in Italy banning miniskirts this I like.

Spanish prostitutes ordered to wear reflective vests for their own safety

171 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:30:47pm

re: #160 talon_262

Lord, I hope that never materializes, as it did in Weimar Germany.

I never thought I'd say this (or even think it), but does anyone else (besides perhaps Ludwig) think that the GOP may be beyond help at this point in time? Until some Buckley- or Goldwater-types take control and tells the wingnuts to STFU and STFD (if they're not run out on a rail first), anyone left in the GOP who is sane and has been paying attention (like me) is shit outta luck, unless they go independent.

The TPers and wingnuts are loud and proud and running the GOP into a ditch the size of the Laurentian Abyss.

GOP could go either way. The country has a lot of reserve strength, and conditions are not (yet) like the 30s. The old ideas will never die a natural death, however.

172 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:30:57pm

re: #160 talon_262

It's done. It's already over the dge, not just near the edge. Throw dirt on it and be over with it. Whatever it was, it isn't coming back as a Republican party.

173 Winny Spencer  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:32:02pm

re: #167 jamesfirecat

And if there has ever been a DINO. She is a LaRouche-cultist.

174 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:32:06pm

re: #172 theheat

It's done. It's already over the dge, not just near the edge. Throw dirt on it and be over with it. Whatever it was, it isn't coming back as a Republican party.

Maybe when they go the Overton window will take a nice long shift Leftwards here in America and we can have a Democratic party that runs unabashed liberals rather than just centrists....

175 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:32:27pm

Time to make dinner - grilled salmon, stir fry, fresh bread. I rock the kitchen.

176 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:32:32pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

You have a little bitty grandchild, right? The crying combined with a smelly diaper is an old Greyhound classic.

Offered to take the 10-yr old granddaughter to her first demonstration, but was voted down by wife and mother. I thought their concern over violence was exaggerated.

177 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:32:41pm

re: #173 Winny Spencer

And if there has ever been a DINO. She is a LaRouche-cultist.

I noticed she was from Texas, am I bad person that this automatically made me expect her to be something of a DINO?

178 shutdown  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:33:51pm

There was a Republican I could vote for repeatedly - Chris Shays. He got gored in the 2008 election.

179 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:34:27pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Ron Johnson, R WI Senate Candidate - anti-science, AGW "skeptic", loves Atlas Shrugged. Thankfully the poll numbers have closed to a tossup so there is still hope for Wisconsin.

180 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:35:24pm

re: #170 Gus 802

OK Unlike that one town in Italy banning miniskirts this I like.

Spanish prostitutes ordered to wear reflective vests for their own safety

Actually, that's just so The Behemoth can spot them more easily in the dark. My eyesight ain't what it used to be.
/

181 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:36:34pm

Another reason I always thought Rick Perry was a douche: Texas Gov. Rick Perry Tries to Steal Seattle Businesses. My state, and I want him to keep his filthy lying pandering bible-thumping hands off. Dick.

182 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:38:53pm

re: #180 Slumbering Behemoth

Actually, that's just so The Behemoth can spot them more easily in the dark. My eyesight ain't what it used to be.
/

Maybe they can introduce some signage: WARNING PROSTITUTE ZONE - FINES DOUBLED.

//

183 Winny Spencer  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:39:52pm

re: #177 jamesfirecat

I would give you a pass on that one.

184 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:41:57pm

re: #177 jamesfirecat

Wait, wait, wait. Are you implying that a Democrat from Texas is likely to be very different from a Democrat from New York. Unpossible!
/

185 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:42:22pm

re: #167 jamesfirecat

Sharon Broome - Anti-Feminist Democrat - Louisiana, Senator (I don't know if she's running again, but she should be run out of town with lanterns and pitchforks)

186 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:43:44pm

re: #176 Decatur Deb

Offered to take the 10-yr old granddaughter to her first demonstration, but was voted down by wife and mother. I thought their concern over violence was exaggerated.

You know, I was ten years old and visiting in Joliet, IL, when the Democratic convention was in Chicago. My aunt went, and she didn't even think of taking me. I had to watch on TV.

You're a cool Grampa. You should sneak her out and take her with you.

187 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:44:13pm

re: #177 jamesfirecat

I noticed she was from Texas, am I bad person that this automatically made me expect her to be something of a DINO?

There have been some badass Democrats from Texas:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

There are non-crazy Texas Democrats. I married into a whole family of them.

188 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:44:22pm

re: #181 theheat

Another reason I always thought Rick Perry was a douche: Texas Gov. Rick Perry Tries to Steal Seattle Businesses. My state, and I want him to keep his filthy lying pandering bible-thumping hands off. Dick.

It's like he's a child, hahaha, as if massive tech companies that make products Rick Perry couldn't even comprehend with his dumb dog brain, as if it takes Rick perry to remind them that they could relocate to Texas

"Hey, Microsoft! Derp de derp! I'mma from Texas, maybe yeh heard of us, we got cowboys n' no sales tax and I'm drinkin' moonshine out of muh boot!"

You actually have a child running Texas, which I guess is what they want

189 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:45:34pm

Telling a Seattle business to relocate to texas is like my brick-dumb relatives trying to convince me to move to the suburbs. "We got both kinds of restuarants, TGI Fridays AND Applebees!"

190 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:45:46pm

re: #187 3eff Jeff

Some of the coolest Dems I ever met were from Texas.

191 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:47:15pm

re: #187 3eff Jeff

There have been some badass Democrats from Texas:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

There are non-crazy Texas Democrats. I married into a whole family of them.

You got Austin, which appears to be the locus of Neat Stuff there, all the good bands and the game developers and weird artists and tech people

192 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:48:11pm

re: #189 WindUpBird

I don't think they could endure the ignorance and racism of the Texas GOP, unless they were from the Disco Institute.

193 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:49:21pm

re: #189 WindUpBird

Telling a Seattle business to relocate to texas is like my brick-dumb relatives trying to convince me to move to the suburbs. "We got both kinds of restuarants, TGI Fridays AND Applebees!"

I like Texas. I was born and raised in Washington, and I have considered moving to Texas (I would gladly if the right opportunity popped up). OTOH, at least one of my groomsmen had this to say about a July wedding in Dallas, "Are you trying to kill us?" (He was referring to the relative humidity and temperature. The overnight low in July in Dallas is often higher than the midday high in Western Washington...)

My point is, I'm in a minority.

194 Winny Spencer  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:49:42pm

re: #191 WindUpBird

And Alex Jones.

195 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:49:47pm

re: #181 theheat

Another reason I always thought Rick Perry was a douche: Texas Gov. Rick Perry Tries to Steal Seattle Businesses. My state, and I want him to keep his filthy lying pandering bible-thumping hands off. Dick.

What a classless douche...

196 Gus  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:50:08pm

Hasta later folks.

197 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:50:37pm

re: #194 Winny Spencer

And Alex Jones.

Seattle has the Discovery Institute.

BBL, gotta pick up my beautiful Texan wife from work.

198 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:52:29pm

re: #193 3eff Jeff

'cept for a few people, I felt like I was living in the movie Idiocracry when I was there. That's before there was a movie called Idiocracy. But I did go to Austin quite often to escape the stupid. But Texas is a big state, so maybe the three or four cities I lived in weren't a good representation. Regardless, it was enough to make me run back to the NW.

199 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:53:29pm

re: #186 wrenchwench

Everyone needs an aunt like that. Mine, who became my guardian, was almost certifiable.

200 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:01:34pm

Europeans are laughing at us again.

201 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:05:25pm

Possible troll alter via the spy.

New registration: curbstompin101

202 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:05:36pm

Hmmm...

New Registration: curbstompin101
203 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:05:46pm

re: #200 eclectic infidel

Europeans are laughing at us again.

ha-ha-ha-ha/

204 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:05:51pm

Um, alert even. PIMF

205 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:06:44pm

re: #204 CuriousLurker

Um, alert even. PIMF

"Hmmm" can never be misspelled.

206 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:06:56pm

Just watched an entertaining romp of Nazi zombies: Dead Snow.

207 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:07:27pm

re: #205 wrenchwench

"Hmmm" can never be misspelled.

True that. Heh.

208 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:08:23pm

CuriousLurker - thanks for the heads up.

209 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:09:38pm

re: #208 eclectic infidel

You're welcome. Sometimes it's like playing whack-a-mole around here.

210 webevintage  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:12:13pm

Unintentionally hilarious campagin ad (and most offensive ever) from Sharon Angle.
Its all about the scary brown people.
[Link: wonkette.com...]

211 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:17:07pm

re: #210 webevintage

Unintentionally hilarious campagin ad (and most offensive ever) from Sharon Angle.
Its all about the scary brown people.
[Link: wonkette.com...]

It's gonna be interesting (in a train wreck sort of way) to see what happens when the newly elected members of Congress hit DC. Hopefully Angle won't be among them.

212 sagehen  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:37:51pm

From the AARP:
(won't embed, but worth watching to the end)
[Link: www.jackphillipsforamerica.com...]

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:45:50pm

re: #140 Gus 802

OT But just want to say here's hoping for a speedy recovery for Carly Fiorina.

What's happened?

214 theheat  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:46:21pm

re: #206 eclectic infidel

Good movie. Lots of violent and creative deaths.

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:46:49pm

re: #146 Gus 802

She's in the hospital with an infection related to prior breast reconstruction due to breast cancer.

DAMN. Sometimes this shit doesn't go away.

My grandma came down with hepatitis related to her breast cancer surgery--forty years later.

216 webevintage  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:51:30pm

re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist

What's happened?

Some kind of infection that women who have had mastectomies get...I think.

217 Usually refered to as anyways  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 4:53:39pm

re: #212 sagehen

From the AARP:
(won't embed, but worth watching to the end)
[Link: www.jackphillipsforamerica.com...]

Hey sagehen,

That was funny, great bit of web design too...

218 dragonfire1981  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 5:59:17pm

I have no problem with a Christian politician, but when said politician starts creating and passing legislation solely on the basis of that faith, it crosses a line, in fact it violates the Constitution.


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