The GOP’s Drive to Tear Down the Wall of Separation

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The Republican Party’s attack on the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment has gone into high gear in this election. All the GOP candidates are sounding like Pat Robertson.

Now anti-wanking candidate Christine O’Donnell’s campaign manager, Jonathon Moseley, is offering a $1000 “bounty” to anyone who can find the exact phrase “separation of church and state” in the US Constitution.

The sheer dim-witted stupidity of this empty, faux legalistic argument is its most notable aspect. Har! The joke’s on you! The exact phrase isn’t there!

Are there really people who find that convincing? Unfortunately, way too many.

The legal principles derived from the Establishment Clause and other founding documents are overwhelmingly supported by more than a century’s worth of Supreme Court decisions.

But it’s obviously still a sore point to the theocratically minded religious right.

Moseley is also, of course, a creationist who says the theory of evolution is “superstition,” and demands that public schools teach Biblical creation myths and “intelligent design” creationism. You know, to be all fair and scientific-like.

“Coons also showed appalling ignorance about science as well. The heart and soul of science is questioning established thinking, challenging assumptions, challenging conventional wisdom, and debating both sides of every issue. It is not possible to prepare students to be competent in science without preparing them to look at scientific questions from different angles, examine assumptions, and ask questions outside the box. What Coons would have our schools teach is not science at all, but superstition. Presenting only one point of view without debate never has been and never can be called science. Even if Intelligent Design is taught only as a foil or teaching tool, one cannot teach science by offering only one view.”

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324 comments
1 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:39:09pm

So, are we ready to admit that anti-constitutional morons who talk about open rebellion against America, and who want to destroy her laws and founding principles are anti-American to the core?

2 Kronocide  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:41:49pm

You mean the those so quickly to cast the 'anti-American' stone so fervently are.... anti-American?

3 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:44:31pm
The legal principles derived from the Establishment Clause and other founding documents are overwhelmingly supported by more than a century’s worth of Supreme Court decisions.

Who are you going to trust? A shadow cabal of black robed men or a perky girl who once took a week long course on the Constitution and has promised she isn't a witch?

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:45:42pm

These people are so lacking a basic education that they cannot distinguish between science, which is based on objective facts that can be quantified and verified, and philosophy, which is subjective, unquantifiable and unverifiable.

We cannot do much against such massive idiocy except to dry and minimize its capability to do permanent damage to our nation.

5 Kronocide  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:46:04pm
Christine O'Donnell is correct and joins the ranks of many learned Supreme Court justices in demanding that our country return to the U.S. Constitution as it is actually written.

You mean return to this?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I'd like to hear O'Donnell's interpretation of that. And Buck's too.

6 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:46:07pm

re: #2 BigPapa

You mean the those so quickly to cast the 'anti-American' stone so fervently are... anti-American?

Projection is the watchword of weak betas everywhere. Remember, what they do is your fault!

7 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:46:13pm

When people are straight (GOP or Democrat or whatever) ticket voters, they need to understand what they're voting for. They don't.

This is what the GOPs will be voting for. This. Despite all the horseshit about saving the world from economic collapse (bullshit) and more jobs (bullshit) and less taxes (bullshit), they're voting for this. This is what they're willing to set into motion, based on on their ignorance of the issues at stake.

8 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:46:15pm
The heart and soul of science is questioning established thinking, challenging assumptions, challenging conventional wisdom, and debating both sides of every issue.

Science did that, by challenging the conventional wisdom, established thinking, assumptions and myths of that chalked up natural phenomena to the work of invisible deities.

9 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:46:25pm

You really can teach science in a lot of ways by offering just one view.

There is only one view that the earth revolves around the sun, not two. There is only one view that inertia is conserved. There is only one view that the pancreas is the organ that secretes insulin.

And of course, when one teaches evolution, one doesn't teach just one view. One teaches how Darwin envisaged it, the modern synthesis that occurred when people realized Mendel's work provided the key to the mechanism of Darwinian selection, Dawkin's further work, etc.

What a putz.

10 Winny Spencer  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:46:28pm

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

Hmm, maybe someone ought to take Michelle Bachmann up on her offer after this election. The result wouldn't, however, be the one she had anticipated.

11 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:48:30pm

Counter offer: I'll pay the Campaign manager $1000 if he can show me where Christianity is mentioned in the Constitution.

12 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:49:37pm

The objective of course is to subjugate the Constitution and establish a Christian fascist state -- more commonly known as Dominionism.

13 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:50:47pm

re: #12 Gus 802

The objective of course is to subjugate the Constitution and establish a Christian fascist state -- more commonly known as Dominionism.

What ever happened to being happy with just wearing political buttons?

14 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:51:09pm

re: #12 Gus 802

The objective of course is to subjugate the Constitution and establish a Christian fascist state -- more commonly known as Dominionism.

These people think The Handmaid's Tale is an instruction manual.

15 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:52:10pm

re: #13 researchok

What ever happened to being happy with just wearing political buttons?

Fear and loathing got in the way. Of course the loathing was always there since these Dominionist factions have been dormant for several decades.

16 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:52:54pm

These people are also convinced that America will collapse if it falls out of Grace with the Lord. This is how they reconcile their Dominionism with Patriotism.

17 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:53:41pm

re: #16 ralphieboy


"We had to burn the village at the stake to save it."

18 SpaceJesus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:54:27pm

And the judges who wrote that century of case law relied on history and the words of the founders themselves in writing their holdings.

19 I Am Kreniigh!  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:54:38pm

I will say it again...

The word "creationism" is not in the Bible. Therefore, it has no Biblical basis.

20 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:54:39pm

re: #17 Obdicut

"We had to burn the village at the stake to save it."

At least we saved their immortal souls. Too bad about the mess though.

21 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:55:19pm

re: #18 spacejesus

And the judges who wrote that century of case law relied on history and the words of the founders themselves in writing their holdings.

ACTIVISTS!11!!ELEVENTY!

22 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:55:52pm

re: #16 ralphieboy

Perhaps, had so many POTUS not made people like Falwell and Robertson distinguished guests, this fallacy of keeping the US in God's good grace would not have any legs. They've pandered to superstition for years to keep the fundie base happy.

23 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:57:15pm

re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

At least we saved their immortal souls. Too bad about the mess though.

I figured it out! The GOP are just playing the evil option in a Bioware game. They just want to see the alternative ending.

24 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:57:24pm

Teaching creationism in science class is a waste of class time. It's worse than that, actually. ID is to science as truthiness is to truth. It tries to dress itself in the robes of science, but because it is not testable, it is not falsifiable. It is therefore not science. Teaching it in science class is harmful to teaching science in science class. Why? Teaching what science is is hard enough, and most students have a difficult time with it. Breaking the consistency of science with this crap will make that even harder.

I'm not underestimating kids here. I'm pointing out that it's a difficult subject. It's also one that is pretty internally consistent, and some kids notice that. They'll also figure out that ID isn't consistent with the rest of science and look stuff up on their own. But for every kid like that, you've done irreparable damage to ten kids' understanding of science (at least). Teaching creationism in any form in science class is madness.

25 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:58:31pm

re: #23 Obdicut

I figured it out! The GOP are just playing the evil option in a Bioware game. They just want to see the alternative ending.

It all makes sense now.

26 albusteve  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:58:40pm

and a darkness befell the peasants...

27 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:58:59pm

re: #19 Kreniigh

I will say it again...

The word "creationism" is not in the Bible. Therefore, it has no Biblical basis.

Jesusitas should stop trying to interpret the Old Testament, they're really bad at it because it's not their book.

28 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:59:29pm

Summary of other GOP anti-Establishment Clause rhetoric:

• Sarah Palin in April stated: "Lest anyone try to convince you that God should be separated from the state, our founding fathers, they were believers. And George Washington, he saw faith in God as basic to life."

• Republican Sharron Angle, candidate for Nevada Senate has repeatedly made clear her position that a separation of church and state is an "unconstitutional doctrine."

• Dan Severson, Republican candidate for Missouri secretary of state, said last week: "Quite often you hear people say, 'What about separation of church and state?' There is no such thing. I mean it just does not exist, and it does not exist in America for a purpose, because we are a Christian nation."

• Republican House candidate Glen Urquhart of Delaware also questioned the separation of church and state--and gained extra media attention for suggesting it was Adolf Hitler who coined the phrase.

• GOP Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, whose insurgent 2008 presidential bid is widely credited as one of the forerunners of the tea party movement, in 2003 wrote in an essay: "The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers."

29 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:59:45pm

re: #15 Gus 802

Fear and loathing got in the way. Of course the loathing was always there since these Dominionist factions have been dormant for several decades.

What bothers me most is the lack of a political big tent'.

For some, lack of religion is a disqualifier. For others, any kind of religion is a disqualifier.

Choice only matters if it is the right choice.

Individualism- and individual political idiosyncrasies- have been replaced with the demand for borg like attachments.

Identity politics is a sad replacement for free thinking.

We can accept parts of differing ideologies. We've just been taught that is verboten- to accept ideas outside the prescribed limits of what are acceptable positions.

It isn't the Dems or GOP who loses nowadays. We do.

30 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 12:59:47pm

re: #24 3eff Jeff

It equates to: It's false, because I don't believe it's true. Since I'm a "believer," whatever I believe trumps your science.

This is how the GOP became the dumbest political party on the planet in just a few short years.

31 SpaceJesus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:01:39pm

oh onion

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

32 SpaceJesus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:02:51pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

Jesusitas should stop trying to interpret the Old Testament, they're really bad at it because it's not their book.


upding times a thousand.


They love being reminded in person that they aren't Hebrew as I've found out.

33 Kronocide  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:03:28pm

This parsing of 'separation of church and state' is a literalist distraction.

It's akin to 'innocent until proven guilty.' People always say that but to be correct you have to 'presume innocence' until proven guilty, which is different.

However, 'separation of church and state' and 'make no law respecting an establishment of' is less of a stretch. The are more similar than apart.

34 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:03:32pm

Ultimate Irony: The side bar ad on the front page when I was reading the story was a "Vote Christine O'donnell" campaign banner.

35 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:04:21pm

re: #30 theheat

It equates to: It's false, because I don't believe it's true. Since I'm a "believer," whatever I believe trumps your science.

This is how the GOP became the dumbest political party on the planet in just a few short years.

I know. I do understand this. But I have a physics degree. That puts me in with the biggest, most elitist, ivory-tower, rank-pulling assholes in academia. And we just have a problem with letting go of the anti-creationism end of the debate.

It also means we're the camp that will say, "You're wrong and not qualified to argue so just STFU." So, we anger them as much as they us.

36 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:04:31pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

The do the CliffsNotes version, because picking and choosing what's applicable saves them a lot of stonings, and they can still enjoy All You Can Eat Shrimp Fridays.

37 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:04:43pm

re: #33 BigPapa

"There is no such thing as a plea of innocence in my court. A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty." - Inquisitor Lord Fyodor Karamazov

38 bratwurst  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:04:56pm

Seems like I heard a certain "wind"bag claiming that the GOP was all about the economy and jobs this election cycle and it was only liberals inserting social issues into it out of desperation. What gives?

39 albusteve  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:05:08pm

re: #33 BigPapa

This parsing of 'separation of church and state' is a literalist distraction.

It's akin to 'innocent until proven guilty.' People always say that but to be correct you have to 'presume innocence' until proven guilty, which is different.

However, 'separation of church and state' and 'make no law respecting an establishment of' is less of a stretch. The are more similar than apart.

it's all so complicated...just issue me my halo so I can get on with it

40 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:05:36pm

re: #29 researchok

What bothers me most is the lack of a political big tent'.

For some, lack of religion is a disqualifier. For others, any kind of religion is a disqualifier.

Choice only matters if it is the right choice.

Individualism- and individual political idiosyncrasies- have been replaced with the demand for borg like attachments.

Identity politics is a sad replacement for free thinking.

We can accept parts of differing ideologies. We've just been taught that is verboten- to accept ideas outside the prescribed limits of what are acceptable positions.

It isn't the Dems or GOP who loses nowadays. We do.

I'm going to decidedly remain an independent. With regards to the GOP for many this is seen as rather unfortunate. The idea of a "big tent" has been completely erased and the litmus test is stronger and more archaic than ever. Many were hoping against hope in early 2009 that they would become more centrist or pragmatic. Instead, they've done a 180 and have gone in the wrong direction.

41 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:05:59pm

re: #12 Gus 802

The objective of course is to subjugate the Constitution and establish a Christian fascist state -- more commonly known as Dominionism.

If anything could set the foundation for a true blue American revolution, the attempted establishment of a dominionist government could very well be it.

42 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:07:23pm

re: #38 bratwurst

Seems like I heard a certain "wind"bag claiming that the GOP was all about the economy and jobs this election cycle and it was only liberals inserting social issues into it out of desperation. What gives?

"GOP Talking Points: How to exceed expectations in any political debate" is a number one seller.

43 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:08:36pm
44 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:09:14pm

I wonder if Mr. Moseley and Ms. O'Donnell know that if you brought government and churches together you'd probably end up expanding the government's role in people's private lives. Oh wait, they don't actually give a shit about that.

45 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:09:54pm

re: #39 albusteve

it's all so complicated...just issue me my halo so I can get on with it

Dude...that's not supposed to get forced around your genitals.

46 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:09:56pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

They're all about punishing and imposing, so that works out pretty well for them.

47 Henchman 25  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:10:19pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

They do, they just want it out of their private lives. The rest of us are allowed to be invaded all they want.

48 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:10:47pm

Israel Drills Big Gas Prospect

HERZLIYA, Israel—Oil companies in Israel, led by Texas-based Noble Energy Inc. this week are expected to start drilling one of the world's most promising natural-gas prospects of recent years, according to executives.

Seismic surveys show the Leviathan prospect, located 135 kilometers, or about 84 miles, off Israel's northern coast, may hold 16 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, enough to supply all of Israel's gas needs for 100 years.

If the exploratory drilling, which gets under way this week, confirms those figures, it could transform Israel, which has been dependent on fuel imports throughout its history, into an exporter of natural gas. It could also create local, regional and global political ripples.

Leviathan follows the 2009 discovery of Tamar, an offshore gas field containing 8 trillion cubic feet, which was the largest gas find in the world in 2009 and the largest ever for Israel.

49 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:11:04pm

re: #38 bratwurst

Seems like I heard a certain "wind"bag claiming that the GOP was all about the economy and jobs this election cycle and it was only liberals inserting social issues into it out of desperation. What gives?

They're talking to the religious right which remains a strong faction in the USA. It has now become entrenched inside and outside of the GOP. Nothing fires up this base more than social issues and Christianity. This is not only true of the GOP but the Tea Party who contrary to what many would say is not a secular movement by any means. "God" will still get votes.

50 albusteve  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:11:12pm

re: #45 darthstar

Dude...that's not supposed to get forced around your genitals.

novel idea...I'll get back to you

51 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:11:40pm

re: #40 Gus 802

I'm going to decidedly remain an independent. With regards to the GOP for many this is seen as rather unfortunate. The idea of a "big tent" has been completely erased and the litmus test is stronger and more archaic than ever. Many were hoping against hope in early 2009 that they would become more centrist or pragmatic. Instead, they've done a 180 and have gone in the wrong direction.

Nothing to add. You've pretty muyh sad it all.

52 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:12:51pm

re: #45 darthstar

Dude...that's not supposed to get forced around your genitals.

Actually...

53 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:13:05pm

re: #51 researchok

Nothing to add. You've pretty muyh sad it all.

Is that English?

54 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:13:44pm

re: #43 darthstar

Super. I'm so happy they could piggytail off the hate and stupid from the United States. Glad we could help.
//

55 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:13:52pm

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Israel Drills Big Gas Prospect

They'd better not find any...the US has a tendency to label oil-rich countries as our enemies...for national security purposes, of course.
/

56 Ericus58  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:13:56pm

My recommendation would be to have anyone who is confused about what we as a Nation are all about watch a movie that I consider a timeless classic.

Inherit the Wind, with Spencer Tracy.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It can apply it many of the ill-conceived notions presently percolating to the surface that these candidates are advancing.

We have a Brain, and we have the ability to think - to judge for ourselves - those idea's and tenants being flung out willy-nilly. Challenge those ideas that are false, mis-leading, ignorant or based on bigotry.

There have been previous times in our nations History where bad idea's and idiots have been around, and we have survived.
We will have the battles for the minds again, and will survive and grow.
That is my belief.

57 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:14:31pm

Hugo Black said it well in his opinion on Everson v. Board of Education:

"The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'" 330 U.S. 1, 15-16.

February 10, 1947

58 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:15:05pm

re: #53 b_sharp

Is that English?

Puy

59 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:16:25pm

re: #58 researchok

Puy

I'm lost.

60 Cineaste  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:17:04pm

OK - counter bounty offer:

$1000 to anyone who can find any of the 10 Commandments in the Constitution.

61 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:17:06pm

re: #59 b_sharp

I'm lost.

Puy- Yup

62 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:17:09pm

re: #58 researchok

Puy

Lentils?

63 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:17:37pm

re: #62 darthstar

Lentils?

And tofu.

Not.

64 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:17:55pm

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Israel Drills Big Gas Prospect

Big Gas is keeping the man down!

/

65 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:18:14pm

re: #63 researchok

I love puy lentils...

Image: puy-lentils.jpg

66 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:18:41pm

re: #43 darthstar

Heh...and they thought Hamas was bad.

I don't really expect that to go anywhere. There are Tea Party startups in Europe and Australian too. They seemed to mostly revolve around Austrian economics and global warming denial. I have a hard time imagining it becoming an international movement.

67 albusteve  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:19:05pm

re: #65 darthstar

I love puy lentils...

Image: puy-lentils.jpg

looks like a bowl of kidney stones

68 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:19:34pm

All numismatics should be investigated heavily due to their "unholy" and un-American interest in money upon which "In God We Trust" is not engraved...

// ;)

69 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:19:39pm

re: #65 darthstar

I love puy lentils...

Image: puy-lentils.jpg

They are a communist plot.

Or a Tea Party Plot.

Or what Harry Reid is handing out.

70 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:20:11pm

I put up another stalker roast! I confess, mocking the drooling idiots who vote for people like the subject of this thread is a great way to let off steam.

71 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:20:33pm

re: #67 albusteve

looks like a bowl of kidney stones

If you had kidney stones like that, you'd be making more than "puy! puy! puy!" noises when you peed.

72 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:20:41pm

re: #40 Gus 802

I'm going to decidedly remain an independent. With regards to the GOP for many this is seen as rather unfortunate. The idea of a "big tent" has been completely erased and the litmus test is stronger and more archaic than ever. Many were hoping against hope in early 2009 that they would become more centrist or pragmatic. Instead, they've done a 180 and have gone in the wrong direction.

I finally gave up independence and registered as a Democrat. "Decline to state" status carries no advantage in California anymore, because in 2008 the Republicans decided to run a closed primary. If Republicans don't want independents to have any say in the candidates they put forth, then nobody should be surprised when they don't vote for them.

73 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:20:53pm

Of course, they really are a gift that keeps on giving!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

74 albusteve  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:21:04pm

re: #71 darthstar

If you had kidney stones like that, you'd be making more than "puy! puy! puy!" noises when you peed.

obviously a close up....get real

75 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:21:13pm

re: #71 darthstar

If you had kidney stones like that, you'd be making more than "puy! puy! puy!" noises when you peed.

Thank you for that image.

76 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:21:15pm

re: #65 darthstar

I grew lentils in the garden this year. They grow very easily but harvesting is pretty labor intensive. Each pod only has 2-3 lentils in it. Lots of work to harvest a bowl of them.

77 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:21:19pm

re: #56 Ericus58

But does anyone really want to go backwards and survive witch trials in our times? Surviving it is one thing, the necessity of surviving anything so stupid is another.

I could not endure Christian theocracy any more than any other religious theocracy. And the Constitution says I should not.

78 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:21:45pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

I grew lentils in the garden this year. They grow very easily but harvesting is pretty labor intensive. Each pod only has 2-3 lentils in it. Lots of work to harvest a bowl of them.

Isn't there a Home Depot near you?

79 Winny Spencer  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:22:16pm

re: #70 LudwigVanQuixote

I put up another stalker roast! I confess, mocking the drooling idiots who vote for people like the subject of this thread is a great way to let off steam.

Yay!

80 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:22:58pm

re: #71 darthstar

If you had kidney stones like that, you'd be making more than "puy! puy! puy!" noises when you peed.

Those are a lot smoother than the kidney stones I had. Jagged little suckers with all sorts of nasty crystal pointy bits.

81 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:23:12pm

re: #78 darthstar

Isn't there a Home Depot near you?

Best to grow your own, never know where they might come from

82 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:23:54pm

And we still call ourselves a merit based society. What a fucking laugh.

83 shutdown  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:24:09pm

Here is a link to the Bill of Rights plus annotations. A good resource for anyone in need of information and background on constitutional issues.

[Link: topics.law.cornell.edu...]

84 Slap  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:24:11pm

re: #60 Cineaste

Go on, take it one better. Tell 'em to locate the word "god" in the Constitution.

Then smile as you tell them they're worshipping a godless document.

Nothin' but fun!

85 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:24:38pm

re: #81 ralphieboy

Best to grow your own, never know where they might come from


[Video]

I think he might have been implying that you could have visited a local Home Depot and hired some migratory day labor for doing the picking...

Not sure though.

86 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:24:41pm

re: #81 ralphieboy

Best to grow your own, never know where they might come from

I meant the Home Depot as a place for finding harvesters.

87 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:25:26pm

re: #85 oaktree

I think he might have been implying that you could have visited a local Home Depot and hired some migratory day labor for doing the picking...

Not sure though.

They also make great inexpensive urologists!

88 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:25:33pm

re: #70 LudwigVanQuixote

I put up another stalker roast! I confess, mocking the drooling idiots who vote for people like the subject of this thread is a great way to let off steam.

I just had an image of a lab coated, bespectacled, physics prof with steam shooting out of his ears run through my brain.

Weird.

89 shutdown  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:25:47pm

re: #83 imp_62

Specifically, Epperson v Arkansas:
[Link: www.law.cornell.edu...]

90 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:27:27pm
91 Ericus58  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:27:29pm

re: #77 theheat

But does anyone really want to go backwards and survive witch trials in our times? Surviving it is one thing, the necessity of surviving anything so stupid is another.

I could not endure Christian theocracy any more than any other religious theocracy. And the Constitution says I should not.

The message is not that we take to trial those laws or idea's that are wrong. Rather, it's that we can and should apply clear reasoning and thinking.
Watch the movie and use the message.

"Inherit the Wind is a parable that fictionalizes the 1925 Scopes "Monkey" Trial as a means to discuss McCarthyism.[2] Written to respond to the “threat to intellectual freedom” that the McCarthy era allegedly represented,[3] the play is dismissive towards creationism."

92 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:27:37pm

In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'

and if "original intent of the founding fathers" is so important, why does this direct statement of intent by a founding father carry no weight?

93 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:28:38pm

re: #90 Gus 802

I give up.

Paranormal activity finds mainstream acceptance

Nancy Reagan was decades ahead of the rest of us in this regard.

94 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:29:32pm

Mildly off-topic.

A *real* Republican was born today.

Happy Birthday to Theodore Roosevelt. A man who could look tough wearing a pince-nez.

95 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:29:50pm

re: #93 darthstar

Nancy Reagan was decades ahead of the rest of us in this regard.

Yeah, with her astrology. This if funny though from CNN, "Why don't we have caveman ghosts?" Someone must have been reading my comments from the other day.

96 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:30:00pm

re: #43 darthstar

The Israeli political system actually encourages multiple political parties, so while Israelis create political parties quick, many of them frequently do not last a political cycle. Or, they merge with, or split from, existing parties, and then group back together.

97 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:31:23pm

re: #96 lawhawk

The Israeli political system actually encourages multiple political parties, so while Israelis create political parties quick, many of them frequently do not last a political cycle. Or, they merge with, or split from, existing parties, and then group back together.

Well, I hope they recruit our Tea Party leaders (Beck, Bachmann, Palin, etc.) to go over there and help build their membership. We could use a break from them.

98 Kronocide  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:31:35pm

re: #95 Gus 802

Yeah, with her astrology. This if funny though from CNN, "Why don't we have caveman ghosts?" Someone must have been reading my comments from the other day.

How do you know we don't? It's not like caveman ghosts will haunt mid century victorians, they haunt caves! (face-palm)

99 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:31:39pm

re: #86 darthstar

I meant the Home Depot as a place for finding harvesters.

I did learn a nifty trick recently. If you roll a beanpod through your hand crank pasta machine the beans just pop right out of the pod. Should work for lentils too.

100 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:31:48pm

re: #92 engineer dog

In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'

and if "original intent of the founding fathers" is so important, why does this direct statement of intent by a founding father carry no weight?

Because they interpret the constitution in exactly the same manner as their literal reading of the bible.

101 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:32:24pm

re: #90 Gus 802

I give up.

Paranormal activity finds mainstream acceptance

It's only main stream with the leaky brain segment.

102 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:33:53pm

re: #98 BigPapa

How do you know we don't? It's not like caveman ghosts will haunt mid century victorians, they haunt caves! (face-palm)

Yeah. The reason we only see ghosts begin in a certain period of history is because man didn't "discover" ghosts until he/she invented ghosts.

103 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:33:59pm

re: #94 oaktree

Mildly off-topic.

A *real* Republican was born today.

Happy Birthday to Theodore Roosevelt. A man who could look tough wearing a pince-nez.

For a second there I thought you said he would look good with a prince albert.

104 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:34:19pm

re: #95 Gus 802

Their shelf live only seems to be hundreds of years, with preference to anything expired within the last 200 years, in regard to television ghosthunters.

Imagine, you're running over them on freeways, they're in the ditch by the trash cans, in the trunk of your car, in Costco, in the dryers at the laundromat, your flower gardens, etc. We're talking wall-to-wall coverage of the departed.

105 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:35:34pm

Drudge still has his stupid "HILLARY FLEES USA FOR ELECTION!" Headline up. Like the Sec. o' State has never traveled before. Anyone know why he feels that's so important?

106 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:35:50pm

re: #104 theheat

Their shelf live only seems to be hundreds of years, with preference to anything expired within the last 200 years, in regard to television ghosthunters.

Imagine, you're running over them on freeways, they're in the ditch by the trash cans, in the trunk of your car, in Costco, in the dryers at the laundromat, your flower gardens, etc. We're talking wall-to-wall coverage of the departed.

For my next trick. I will bend that spoon in your kitchen from where I sit.

/Uri Geller

/

107 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:35:57pm

re: #104 theheat

Their shelf live only seems to be hundreds of years, with preference to anything expired within the last 200 years, in regard to television ghosthunters.

Imagine, you're running over them on freeways, they're in the ditch by the trash cans, in the trunk of your car, in Costco, in the dryers at the laundromat, your flower gardens, etc. We're talking wall-to-wall coverage of the departed.

If that is the case, how do I talk one into baby sitting my cat?

108 shutdown  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:36:16pm

re: #95 Gus 802

Yeah, with her astrology. This if funny though from CNN, "Why don't we have caveman ghosts?" Someone must have been reading my comments from the other day.

Why don't we have half human, half monkey ghosts? Another proof against evolution!

109 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:36:41pm

re: #108 imp_62

Why don't we have half human, half monkey ghosts? Another proof against evolution!

Ding, ding, ding, ding! Good one.

110 shutdown  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:37:23pm

re: #109 Gus 802

*Takes a bow, grins*

Bit of a "gimme", though...

111 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:37:27pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Drudge still has his stupid "HILLARY FLEES USA FOR ELECTION!" Headline up. Like the Sec. o' State has never traveled before. Anyone know why he feels that's so important?

It goes with the Rush Limbaugh narrative that she and Bill are trying to undermine Obama so she can get a shot at the nomination in 2012.

112 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:38:16pm

re: #102 Gus 802

Actually, tales of spirits predate Victorian times. Practically every religion has some context they use to frame the departed, and their reappearance as one thing or another. I think television ghosthunting and Victorian writings hit the reset button on the most popular ideas about ghosts, spirits... whatever you want to call them.

113 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:38:20pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Drudge still has his stupid "HILLARY FLEES USA FOR ELECTION!" Headline up. Like the Sec. o' State has never traveled before. Anyone know why he feels that's so important?

Really slow news day.

114 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:38:28pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Drudge still has his stupid "HILLARY FLEES USA FOR ELECTION!" Headline up. Like the Sec. o' State has never traveled before. Anyone know why he feels that's so important?

Cheap hysteria. Since when does the Secretary of State have to be in the USA on election day? Drudge and Bretbart are a couple of dimwits.

115 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:38:29pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It goes with the Rush Limbaugh narrative that she and Bill are trying to undermine Obama so she can get a shot at the nomination in 2012.

Ah, I hadn't heard of that before. Wingnuts make less sense to me everyday.

116 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:39:17pm

re: #112 theheat

Actually, tales of spirits predate Victorian times. Practically every religion has some context they use to frame the departed, and their reappearance as one thing or another. I think television ghosthunting and Victorian writings hit the reset button on the most popular ideas about ghosts, spirits... whatever you want to call them.

Yep. The TV programs are all over the place. Don't they even have those on the "History Channel"?

117 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:40:14pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Ah, I hadn't heard of that before. Wingnuts make less sense to me everyday.

Rush has been pushing that real Democrats should be pissed Hillary got passed over for Obama in 2008 and they should just sit out this election so he goes down in flames and the Clinton's get another shot in 2012.

The man is an idiot.

118 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:40:25pm

re: #107 b_sharp

They don't like to provide useful functions, AFAIK. Nor, are they reliable.

119 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:41:09pm

Hmm... looking over the Wikipedia page on the US Constitution and see it's been translated into a number of other languages, including even a partial translation into Esperanto.

Didn't find a direct link for a Klingon translation, but that should be along. And I also found this...

WE TEH PEEPS OV TEH UNITD STATEZ, IN ORDR 2 FORM MOAR PERFECT UNION, ESTABLISH JUSTICE, INSURE DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY, PROVIDE 4 DA COMMON DEFENCE, PROMOTE TEH GENERAL WELFARE, AN' SECURE TEH BLESINGS OV LIBERTY 2 OURSELVEZ AN' R POSTERITY, DO ORDAIN AN' ESTABLISH DIS CONSTITUSHUN 4 DA UNITD STATEZ OV AMERICA.

Needs work, no mention of cheezburgers or the kitties... And we know there will be no mention of Ceiling Cat.

120 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:41:21pm

re: #116 Gus 802

Yep. The TV programs are all over the place. Don't they even have those on the "History Channel"?

How come they never have ghosts who do laundry, take out trash, paint or do plumbing repairs?

I'd certainly be more inclined to believe if there were evidence of that.

I'd want to believe.

121 shutdown  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:42:30pm

re: #112 theheat

Actually, tales of spirits predate Victorian times. Practically every religion has some context they use to frame the departed, and their reappearance as one thing or another. I think television ghosthunting and Victorian writings hit the reset button on the most popular ideas about ghosts, spirits... whatever you want to call them.

Includes an account of possession dating back to biblical times:

[Link: www.ghostvillage.com...]

122 albusteve  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:42:57pm

re: #120 researchok

How come they never have ghosts who do laundry, take out trash, paint or do plumbing repairs?

I'd certainly be more inclined to believe if there were evidence of that.

I'd want to believe.

seeing a ghostly image on a pancake not convincing enough for you?

123 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:43:20pm

re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rush has been pushing that real Democrats should be pissed Hillary got passed over for Obama in 2008 and they should just sit out this election so he goes down in flames and the Clinton's get another shot in 2012.

The man is an idiot.

That sounds like some winning tactics there. Just like Sarah Palin stealing all of Hillary's supporters in 2008, and delivering President McCain into the White House.

Oh wait, that didn't happen.

124 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:43:23pm

re: #120 researchok

How come they never have ghosts who do laundry, take out trash, paint or do plumbing repairs?

I'd certainly be more inclined to believe if there were evidence of that.

I'd want to believe.

They're unionized. You need to get in touch with the brownies* for getting that sort of thing done. And just for a bowl of cream a night in the old days...

* - The faerie kind. Not the pre-Girl Scouts.

125 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:43:36pm

re: #116 Gus 802

Been watching them all week, as a matter of fact. History, Travel, and I think some on the Biography channel.

I always say everyone loves a good ghost story. It's when they pretend to employ scientific methods to make their case, and construct hard and fast rules about the meanings of this and that, I become annoyed.

126 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:43:43pm

re: #120 researchok

How come they never have ghosts who do laundry, take out trash, paint or do plumbing repairs?

I'd certainly be more inclined to believe if there were evidence of that.

I'd want to believe.

Yeah. Plus, if a ghost is chasing after you from the basement and he's holding an axe how can the axe come through the door you shut on your way through? Wouldn't that require an axe ghost? Otherwise the axe would fall out of the ghost's hand.

//

127 shutdown  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:44:16pm

re: #119 oaktree

Hmm... looking over the Wikipedia page on the US Constitution and see it's been translated into a number of other languages, including even a partial translation into Esperanto.

Didn't find a direct link for a Klingon translation, but that should be along. And I also found this...

WE TEH PEEPS OV TEH UNITD STATEZ, IN ORDR 2 FORM MOAR PERFECT UNION, ESTABLISH JUSTICE, INSURE DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY, PROVIDE 4 DA COMMON DEFENCE, PROMOTE TEH GENERAL WELFARE, AN' SECURE TEH BLESINGS OV LIBERTY 2 OURSELVEZ AN' R POSTERITY, DO ORDAIN AN' ESTABLISH DIS CONSTITUSHUN 4 DA UNITD STATEZ OV AMERICA.

Needs work, no mention of cheezburgers or the kitties... And we know there will be no mention of Ceiling Cat.

O'Donnell's worst nightmare:

Image: ceiling_cat1.jpg

128 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:44:27pm

re: #122 albusteve

seeing a ghostly image on a pancake not convincing enough for you?

You've got to at least get the Virgin Mary on a Cheese Sandwich for me. Otherwise, no dice.

129 Slap  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:44:53pm

re: #120 researchok

See, the problem is, and no one really knows this, so shhhh! -- the ghosts we get are slackers who got kicked out of the whitelight place because they won't help with the plumbing, painting, etc.

The lack of work ethic from these poltergeists is outrageous, I tell ya.

130 albusteve  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:45:09pm

re: #125 theheat

Been watching them all week, as a matter of fact. History, Travel, and I think some on the Biography channel.

I always say everyone loves a good ghost story. It's when they pretend to employ scientific methods to make their case, and construct hard and fast rules about the meanings of this and that, I become annoyed.

those shows are phony...check out 'Manhunter' for real reality

131 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:45:58pm

re: #123 3eff Jeff

That sounds like some winning tactics there. Just like Sarah Palin stealing all of Hillary's supporters in 2008, and delivering President McCain into the White House.

Oh wait, that didn't happen.

Rush is to political theory as the Professor was to fixing a 2' hole in a boat.

132 Locker  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:46:39pm

What I love is when these fuckheads have to defend their bullshit in court. Courts don't care about your opinion, your religion, your faith or the "common knowledge" that's accepted by your particular subgroup.

Courts care about logic and proof. Is it any mystery that right wing religious conservatives get bounced in court again and again? Only to have their rabid faithful scream "judicial activism" because a judge didn't buy their bullshit.

The Dover, PA intelligent design trial and the gay marriage trial in CA are primary examples of bible thumping liars not being able to back up a WORD of what they put forth.

133 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:46:41pm

re: #122 albusteve

seeing a ghostly image on a pancake not convincing enough for you?

Pancakes don't do laundry.

//

134 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:46:48pm

re: #125 theheat

Been watching them all week, as a matter of fact. History, Travel, and I think some on the Biography channel.

I always say everyone loves a good ghost story. It's when they pretend to employ scientific methods to make their case, and construct hard and fast rules about the meanings of this and that, I become annoyed.

Should set up a "sting" show where Mythbusters get to rig a house to see if they can create various "ghostly events" using fairly mundane materials, set up a cover story for the location, and then bring in one of the ghost hunter units to investigate...

I also presume someone has set these folks up at least once by supplying them all the data about a haunted location, and then taking them to the wrong address.

135 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:47:32pm

re: #129 Slap

See, the problem is, and no one really knows this, so shhh! -- the ghosts we get are slackers who got kicked out of the whitelight place because they won't help with the plumbing, painting, etc.

The lack of work ethic from these poltergeists is outrageous, I tell ya.

All ghosts are Democrats because all Republicans go to directly to heaven.

//

136 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:48:42pm

re: #127 imp_62

O'Donnell's worst nightmare:

Image: ceiling_cat1.jpg

fixed
Image: 13a71c06.jpg

137 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:48:49pm

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rush is to political theory as the Professor was to fixing a 2' hole in a boat.

The Professor had no interest in getting the boat fixed since he was on a fairly comfortable island, wasn't bothered much by folk when he wanted to do research, and had both Ginger and Mary Ann available since the other four people on the island were in stable relationships.

;)

138 shutdown  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:49:35pm

re: #127 imp_62

O'Donnell's worst nightmare, take 2

Image: ceiling_cat_is_watching_you_masturbate.jpg

139 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:49:40pm

re: #132 Locker

What I love is when these fuckheads have to defend their bullshit in court. Courts don't care about your opinion, your religion, your faith or the "common knowledge" that's accepted by your particular subgroup.

Courts care about logic and proof. Is it any mystery that right wing religious conservatives get bounced in court again and again? Only to have their rabid faithful scream "judicial activism" because a judge didn't buy their bullshit.

The Dover, PA intelligent design trial and the gay marriage trial in CA are primary examples of bible thumping liars not being able to back up a WORD of what they put forth.

They are martyrs- and that is what that is all about. They could care less about the court cases.

They want to be seen as the Simon's of this world, faithfully bearing the burden. It is all about the perception.

140 shutdown  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:50:07pm

re: #136 darthstar

fixed
Image: 13a71c06.jpg

Thanks - fixed mine before I saw you took care of it.

141 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:50:17pm

re: #137 oaktree

That sounds like a pretty convincing defense of Kragar's analogy.

142 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:50:39pm

re: #135 Gus 802

All ghosts are Democrats because all Republicans go to directly to heaven.

//

Maybe- but Kucinich haunts me a lot.

Carter, too.

143 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:50:48pm

re: #88 b_sharp

I just had an image of a lab coated, bespectacled, physics prof with steam shooting out of his ears run through my brain.

Weird.

We don't wear lab coats, but yes, the image is about right. Honestly mocking these goons is relieving. And besides, they made me do it. It is their fault!

144 shutdown  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:51:06pm

re: #137 oaktree

The Professor had no interest in getting the boat fixed since he was on a fairly comfortable island, wasn't bothered much by folk when he wanted to do research, and had both Ginger and Mary Ann available since the other four people on the island were in stable relationships.

;)

In fact, I always suspected that he was the one who got them stranded in the first place. His mainland upside was nil.

145 Slap  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:51:15pm

re: #57 Gus 802

Well, you know what they say:

Once hugo black...

[ducks]

146 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:51:22pm

re: #137 oaktree

The Professor had no interest in getting the boat fixed since he was on a fairly comfortable island, wasn't bothered much by folk when he wanted to do research, and had both Ginger and Mary Ann available since the other four people on the island were in stable relationships.

;)

Actually, Gilligan's Island was a morality play based on the 7 Deadly Sins.

147 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:51:46pm

re: #141 3eff Jeff

That sounds like a pretty convincing defense of Kragar's analogy.

Except that the Professor would have cared about AGW...

148 shutdown  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:53:44pm

re: #142 researchok

Maybe- but Kucinich haunts me a lot.

Carter, too.

Say you'll haunt me:

149 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:54:10pm

There is another side to this: the True TP Fundamentalists will insist that all rights com "from God" and not from "the government", which is their convenient excuse for disobeying the government when its laws do not correspond to their idea of what "God's Laws" are suposed to be.

This is the very situation that the Founding Fathers wished to avoid when they separated Church and State. And for good reason.

150 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:54:27pm

re: #134 oaktree

The professional ghosthunters take their craft pretty seriously. On another post (in the last day or so), I wrote how my brother and I joined a group of pro ghosthunters a couple times. And, no, they didn't like us.

Some of them want no background information about a location, because they feel it would taint their findings (read: supposed skeptics). Others get lots of background information, so they can go directly to points of interest, and not waste time setting up equipment in places with no known activity.

The evidence of paranormal they require appears to be so thin, it could be virtually anything. Orbs (dust particles) and EVPs (any sound whatsoever caught on a recorder) become proof of a haunting or paranormal activity.

All in all, the best you can say is none of it's conclusive, and it's all subject to interpretation by people desperate to prove it's true, or that already believe it's true despite any information to the contrary. It's a form of religion. With spookier characters.

151 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:55:54pm

re: #148 imp_62

Say you'll haunt me:


[Video]

That's a promise.

Leave beer in the fridge.

152 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:56:36pm

re: #142 researchok

Maybe- but Kucinich haunts me a lot.

Carter, too.

Kucinich? You mean this guy?

153 shutdown  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:57:06pm

re: #151 researchok

That's a promise.

Leave beer in the fridge.

I plan to take it all with me.

154 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:57:36pm

re: #152 Gus 802

Kucinich? You mean this guy?

LOL

We must share a psychic connection.
/

155 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:58:16pm

re: #153 imp_62

I plan to take it all with me.

You can't.

I'm the toll taker.

156 shutdown  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:58:22pm

re: #147 oaktree

Except that the Professor would have cared about AGW...

The Professor could have solved AGW with 3 planks from the ship, 2 coconut shells, and one of Ginger's bras.

157 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:58:43pm

On a serious note. More madness in Mexico:

Mexico car wash shooting leaves at least 13 dead

158 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:59:32pm

Police Consider More Arrests in Rand Paul Heckler Scuffle

Kentucky cops are considering charges against at least two more Rand Paul supporters caught on tape wrestling a political heckler to the ground while another man stomped on her head.

"At this point, the investigation is still ongoing," Lexington Police spokeswoman Sherelle Roberts told ABC News. "We're looking into other individuals who may have been involved in the assault and could get charged."

159 shutdown  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:59:45pm

re: #155 researchok

You can't.

I'm the toll taker.

160 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 1:59:52pm

re: #157 Gus 802

On a serious note. More madness in Mexico:

Mexico car wash shooting leaves at least 13 dead

How do you fix this without all out war?

161 Locker  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:00:04pm

re: #150 theheat

I guess for some folks the miracle of human beings evolving on this back water planet and evolving to the point where we have computers, kung pow chicken and enough nuclear weapons to blow up our own planet many times over isn't "amazing" enough.

They need to invent aliens, ghosts, tarot, channeling and yes... religion to inject some "much needed?" mystery into their lives. No offense to the freakazoid role players but looking down into the grass and seeing an ant carrying something 10x it's size is WAY more incredible than "ghostly ectoplasm" that suddenly appears in "haunted houses" whenever the investigators sneeze into their hand.

162 albusteve  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:00:20pm

re: #157 Gus 802

On a serious note. More madness in Mexico:

Mexico car wash shooting leaves at least 13 dead

hell of a body count piling up...Mexico is on the brink of total chaos and it's just a matter of time before it becomes our problem as well

163 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:00:29pm

re: #159 imp_62

[Video]

You have way too much time on your hands.
/

164 albusteve  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:01:19pm

re: #160 researchok

How do you fix this without all out war?

reduce the narc market in the US

165 prairiefire  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:01:32pm

re: #162 albusteve

Howdy, Steve. Hope your spirits are good.

166 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:01:37pm

re: #160 researchok

How do you fix this without all out war?

Heck if I know. The police as so corrupt down there. Best bet would be a sweep by the Mexican military.

167 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:02:25pm

re: #150 theheat

The Creepy Scientific Explanation Behind Ghost Sightings

Ghosts and god. Reality is so much more fascinating.

168 shutdown  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:02:27pm

re: #160 researchok

How do you fix this without all out war?

The Mexican government is incapable of fixing this problem with the current penetration of police an military by corruption. The US could not begin to intervene without seeing itself engaged in a guerilla war against the drug cartels and a war against nationalistic elements of the army. Remember Wilson's occupation of Veracruz?

169 albusteve  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:02:50pm

re: #165 prairiefire

Howdy, Steve. Hope your spirits are good.

I'm healing up, feeling more rowdy every day now

170 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:02:52pm

re: #166 Gus 802

Heck if I know. The police as so corrupt down there. Best bet would be a sweep by the Mexican military.

No such luck, all their good soliders have already signed up with the US military to gain US citizenship.

/

171 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:03:53pm

re: #158 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Police Consider More Arrests in Rand Paul Heckler Scuffle

I suspect they'll end up going light on everybody. The police and the courts don't want to create a political issue or the appearance of one.

172 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:04:41pm

re: #169 albusteve

I'm healing up, feeling more rowdy every day now

That;s good. Are you still scheduled for more surgery?

173 albusteve  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:04:49pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

I suspect they'll end up going light on everybody. The police and the courts don't want to create a political issue or the appearance of one.

plus the stomper was a victim too...or so I heard

174 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:05:09pm

re: #161 Locker

I guess for some folks the miracle of human beings evolving on this back water planet and evolving to the point where we have computers, kung pow chicken and enough nuclear weapons to blow up our own planet many times over isn't "amazing" enough.

They need to invent aliens, ghosts, tarot, channeling and yes... religion to inject some "much needed?" mystery into their lives. No offense to the freakazoid role players but looking down into the grass and seeing an ant carrying something 10x it's size is WAY more incredible than "ghostly ectoplasm" that suddenly appears in "haunted houses" whenever the investigators sneeze into their hand.

Not all believers see the world through distorted eyes.

There are more than a few of us that are not at war with science- in fact, we embrace it.

To believe in God is not to make a statement that divests us from science. Not all of us wear our faith in our sleeves. For many, belief in God is centered on the personal benefits and meaning a relationship with God brings us.

Believers are not a monolithic lot.

175 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:05:24pm

re: #160 researchok

How do you fix this without all out war?

I don't know. It was my main consideration when voting for prop 19, but I doubt it will change anything. At best I'm hoping a win on 19 emboldens further prohibition repeals and starts a big fight with the DoJ (which will test Obama on his 'marijuana is not a priority' policy).

176 albusteve  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:06:12pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

That;s good. Are you still scheduled for more surgery?

I nixed it...I'm going to wait and see what happens, infection wise, for a couple of weeks...more surgery scares me to death

177 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:06:20pm

re: #173 albusteve

plus the stomper was a victim too...or so I heard

Stepping on small women who have been wrestled to the ground puts a real strain on the back.

178 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:06:51pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

I suspect they'll end up going light on everybody. The police and the courts don't want to create a political issue or the appearance of one.

The woman was assaulted. The perpetrators need to be prosecuted.

Just my two cents.

179 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:07:33pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

I suspect they'll end up going light on everybody. The police and the courts don't want to create a political issue or the appearance of one.

If they can wait until Wednesday next week nobody will give a fuck if they filed felony charges against Proffitt. The only thing we'll hear from people like Palin will be "That was in the past...they should just let it go."

180 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:07:39pm

re: #176 albusteve

I nixed it...I'm going to wait and see what happens, infection wise, for a couple of weeks...more surgery scares me to death

Cool. I'm hoping for the best.

181 shutdown  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:07:42pm

Wife's home early. Off to open a bottle of wine. BBL

182 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:08:22pm

Bleh. From the BBC news on Mexico:

The latest violence came shortly after Mr Calderon told the BBC the US should do more to reduce the demand for drugs that is fuelling violence in Mexico.

He told the Hardtalk programme that more should also be done to stem the flow of illegal weapons from the US.

President Calderon and other regional leaders have urged Californian voters to reject moves to legalise marijuana in their state.

Last week, police in Tijuana destroyed 134 tonnes of cannabis - the largest drugs haul ever seized in the country.

Local reports said most of those killed in Wednesday's attack were recovering drug addicts who worked at the car wash.

The cartels have targeted recovering addicts before; observers say the gangs accuse the rehabilitation clinics of protecting rival dealers.

Police believe drug cartels use the clinics to recruit hitmen and smugglers, threatening to kill those who fail to co-operate.

IOW, Calderon is blaming the USA for arms dealers and drug users. So if they legalize pot in California he thinks things will get worse in HIS country.

BTW, I happen to have a suspect that the "134 tonnes of cannabis" haul was a publicity stunt.

183 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:08:31pm

re: #177 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Stepping on small women who have been wrestled to the ground puts a real strain on the back.

You try balancing a 240lb overweight body on one small woman's neck and head...on one foot...it ain't easy.

184 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:09:34pm

re: #166 Gus 802

re: #168 imp_62

re: #175 3eff Jeff

What is clear is that the status quo cannot be tolerated.

The Texas-Mexico border is beginning to resemble Gaza and the Hamas/PA conflict, with an equal number of victims.

185 jaunte  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:09:38pm

re: #173 albusteve

plus the stomper was a victim too...or so I heard

According to RedState...

"Valle reached in the candidate’s window with her “RepubliCorp” sign and shoved it in his face."


... Rand Paul was the original victim in the play.

186 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:10:07pm

re: #93 darthstar

Nancy Reagan was decades ahead of the rest of us in this regard.

Mary Lincoln was centuries ahead.

187 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:10:37pm

re: #186 Alouette

Mary Lincoln was centuries ahead.

Well, they were contemporaries. //

188 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:11:04pm

re: #161 Locker

Except for purely historical texts, I see little difference between organized religion and ghosthunting. Each have their own set of intricate rules they follow, and each claim to believe in the absence of scientific proof. Yet, people talk of intervention or governance by angels, and others talk about full body apparitions and communicating with the departed. Which is more ridiculous?

This goes back to why I say say everyone enjoys a good ghost story. But there's little difference between a good ghost story and much of what's in the Bible. I feel this is why both religion and ghosthunting have such an emotionally charged following.

189 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:11:56pm

re: #182 Gus 802

Bleh. From the BBC news on Mexico:

IOW, Calderon is blaming the USA for arms dealers and drug users. So if they legalize pot in California he thinks things will get worse in HIS country.

BTW, I happen to have a suspect that the "134 tonnes of cannabis" haul was a publicity stunt.

They always come up with bigger and bigger busts. That may make for good publicity stunts, but it is not progress.

190 Big Steve  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:12:08pm

While we are on the subject of science....last night the Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 that sodium pentathol purchased from England was a suitable substitute for sodium pentathol made by a US manufacturer. The dissenting judges were all the liberal ones. Among the information submitted were analytical chemistry tests (in this case gas chromatographs) that showed the material to be the same as US produced. I just don't understand why anyone would dissent when the science is so clear and convincing.

191 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:12:10pm

re: #182 Gus 802

Bleh. From the BBC news on Mexico:

IOW, Calderon is blaming the USA for arms dealers and drug users. So if they legalize pot in California he thinks things will get worse in HIS country.

BTW, I happen to have a suspect that the "134 tonnes of cannabis" haul was a publicity stunt.

Calderon is a hypocrite. Mexico decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana last year. And Calderon's predecessor, Vicente Fox, is in favor of legalization in the US.

192 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:13:58pm

re: #175 3eff Jeff

I don't know. It was my main consideration when voting for prop 19, but I doubt it will change anything. At best I'm hoping a win on 19 emboldens further prohibition repeals and starts a big fight with the DoJ (which will test Obama on his 'marijuana is not a priority' policy).

By no means all, but a really significant chunk of cartels' cash nowadays comes from selling ephedrine (the 'banned' ingredient in methamphetamine) and prescription painkillers. They buy both of them by the ton quasi-legally from China and India.

193 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:14:37pm

re: #191 wrenchwench

Calderon is a hypocrite. Mexico decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana last year. And Calderon's predecessor, Vicente Fox, is in favor of legalization in the US.

Exactly. That's what I don't get. They did decriminalize possession in Mexico just recently. I think he's just worried that they, and Columbia, will begin to lose "Drug War" money as time goes on. But another thing I don't understand: who wants to by Mexican weed?

Here's Calderon's simplistic statement: "They need to do a lot more in terms of reducing the consumption of drugs and to stop the flow of weapons towards Mexico..." Reduce the consumption of pot? Is he kidding?

194 albusteve  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:15:12pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

Cool. I'm hoping for the best.

me too, thanks

195 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:15:52pm

re: #193 Gus 802

Woops...who wants to by buy Mexican weed?

196 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:17:01pm

re: #192 negativ

By no means all, but a really significant chunk of cartels' cash nowadays comes from selling ephedrine (the 'banned' ingredient in methamphetamine) and prescription painkillers. They buy both of them by the ton quasi-legally from China and India.

Absolutely. Between ephedrine and cocaine, I hold no hope of actually hurting the cartels with my prop 19 vote. I, personally, have no illusions about this. But, I do believe that prohibition has to be broken to destroy the black market, and prop 19 is at least a start. It is probably well past too little, too late, but that doesn't change my analysis.

197 Locker  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:17:19pm

re: #174 researchok

Not all believers see the world through distorted eyes.

There are more than a few of us that are not at war with science- in fact, we embrace it.

To believe in God is not to make a statement that divests us from science. Not all of us wear our faith in our sleeves. For many, belief in God is centered on the personal benefits and meaning a relationship with God brings us.

Believers are not a monolithic lot.

I'm having trouble parsing monolithic in this context.

What you've said above, however, seems to indicate, for you, God is in your head. This is a concept I completely agree with and I apply the same interpretation to aliens, ghosts, etc.

I have no problem with personal systems of behavior. I do have a problem with people trying to push me around, control my behavior or holding me to some standard based on their own, self constructed, system of behavior.

To them I say... fuck you and the dogma you rode in on.

198 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:17:21pm

re: #191 wrenchwench

Calderon is a hypocrite. Mexico decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana last year. And Calderon's predecessor, Vicente Fox, is in favor of legalization in the US.

Here's more of what he said. Which should raise a lot of American's BP:

Interviewed on the BBC's "Hardtalk" program, Calderon said Americans "have a clear responsibility in this because they are providing the market for the drug dealers and the criminals."

"They need to do a lot more in terms of reducing the consumption of drugs and to stop the flow of weapons towards Mexico," he said.

199 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:17:44pm

re: #195 Gus 802

Woops...who wants to by buy Mexican weed?

I stopped buying Mexican weed in college when I remembered I lived in NORTHERN FUCKING CALIFORNIA. Buy local.

200 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:17:54pm

OT: Your hand flow chart for every Computer RPG ever made

Image: every-rpg.jpg

201 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:19:56pm

re: #199 darthstar

I was in mexico for my honeymoon down in Cabo. Every street vendor offered crack, coke, and weed. Needless to say I didn't buy any because i could get better weed here in cali.

202 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:20:00pm

re: #199 darthstar

I stopped buying Mexican weed in college when I remembered I lived in NORTHERN FUCKING CALIFORNIA. Buy local.

Yeah. The market is for high quality bud. Two to three hits and they're buzzed. Not green Mexican weed that smells like grass clippings and requires a bazillion hits to catch a buzz.

203 gamark  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:20:44pm

re: #197 Locker

I do have a problem with people trying to push me around, control my behavior or holding me to some standard based on their own, self constructed, system of behavior.

To them I say... fuck you and the dogma you rode in on.

and how does your Congressperson respond to that?

204 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:21:04pm

re: #202 Gus 802

Yeah. The market is for high quality bud. Two to three hits and they're buzzed. Not green Mexican weed that smells like grass clippings and requires a bazillion hits to catch a buzz headache.


Truth

205 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:21:08pm

re: #198 Gus 802

Mexico is blessed with beautiful country and natural resources, offset with one of the most corrupt/ineffective governments and widespread poverty.

It's nice to blame other people for your failures, but until the Mexican government reforms itself, no amount of finger pointing will fix the country.

206 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:21:21pm

re: #201 Dreggas

I was in mexico for my honeymoon down in Cabo. Every street vendor offered crack, coke, and weed. Needless to say I didn't buy any because i could get better weed here in cali.

I thought Canuck weed grown in BC was the best.

207 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:21:38pm

re: #90 Gus 802

I give up.

Paranormal activity finds mainstream acceptance

Okay, this is kind of funny:

For Peaches Veatch, it started early, after watching an episode of the TV series "That's Incredible!" as a child. "They had an episode on Toys "R" Us being haunted and Sylvia Brown the psychic did a séance."

I saw that very same episode when I was a kid, and the Toys "R" Us they featured in that story was the same one I used to go to as a kid. It was a huge store, and the place I first learned about the concept of "lay away".

Short story long, after that show I spent a lot of time there looking for ghosts or paranormal activity. I always came away disappointed. And people wonder why I don't believe in the "supernatural".

208 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:22:14pm

re: #201 Dreggas

I was in mexico for my honeymoon down in Cabo. Every street vendor offered crack, coke, and weed. Needless to say I didn't buy any because i could get better weed here in cali.

Going to Mexico to buy pot is like going to Canada to buy good beer.

//

/Jumps into foxhole.

209 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:22:50pm

re: #205 theheat

Mexico is blessed with beautiful country and natural resources, offset with one of the most corrupt/ineffective governments and widespread poverty.

It's nice to blame other people for your failures, but until the Mexican government reforms itself, no amount of finger pointing will fix the country.

The US is spending many many millions to aid Mexico in reforming its entire justice system. Not fast enough though.

210 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:23:01pm

re: #200 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT: Your hand flow chart for every Computer RPG ever made

Image: every-rpg.jpg

I'm still enjoying the new Fallout. The game does have some bugs here and there and I'm starting to remember why I don't play RPGs very much. I don't have much patience for item crafting in games. I do it all day in real life. I also don't have the patience for some of the missions but the game is flexible enough that it still playable and fun even if you ignore some of the more tedious tasks.
I earned the cannibal upgrade last night so that's been fun.

211 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:23:37pm

re: #207 Slumbering Behemoth

Okay, this is kind of funny:

I saw that very same episode when I was a kid, and the Toys "R" Us they featured in that story was the same one I used to go to as a kid. It was a huge store, and the place I first learned about the concept of "lay away".

Short story long, after that show I spent a lot of time there looking for ghosts or paranormal activity. I always came away disappointed. And people wonder why I don't believe in the "supernatural".

Sylvia Brown! What a fraud. And a rich fraud to boot. Nah, all of that stuff belongs in the same dustbin as creationism.

212 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:23:57pm

re: #208 Gus 802

Going to Mexico to buy pot is like going to Canada to buy good beer.

//

/Jumps into foxhole.

At least our beer doesn't taste like the watered down swill you 'Mericans make.

213 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:24:07pm

re: #206 b_sharp

I thought Canuck weed grown in BC was the best.

The same genetic material has made its way all over, including Mexico. Their stuff is better than it used to be.

214 Summer Seale  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:24:30pm

Hi everyone! Christine "Beenwitched" O'Donnell here...

I'm just so happy you're all listening to what's really important in this election! Like you know how it's all about Jesus but the Democrats just wanna throw him out with the bathwater and stuff, right? Well, I made a stand with that mean guy Coons or whatever, and look where it got me! So much praise from so many great people who are just out there to support our cause which they know is right and the media says is wrong!

When I was in High School, I also experimented with other religions. I became a Hindru "demon" worshipper one day cuz my boyfriend took me to this weird temple or something. And then I tried to be a Druish Princess, but that didn't work because I totally wasn't into the glam and stuff, right? But then I really in the bottom of my heart found Jesus there all the time telling me I didn't have to leave him and that he loves me and wants me to run for Senator and then President one day. I really didn't know what that meant until I went to college because I never heard those words before at parties and stuff, but I knew it was pretty important.

And now they're trying to tell me that it's totally like...not for real and stuff and I should keep my Jesus out of our government and stuff!!! OMG!!!!

Serious, WTH? Like, what's up with that, right? I mean, how can Jesus not be in schools when I first heard him in school and heard him all the time in school, right? They think they can stop him from speaking to kids like me in school? Like, no...WAY!

Anyway, so I think their whole argument thing is totally bogus and I totally support whatever guys are out there saying it is, right?

Is this Jesus's country too???

Like Sarah Palin says: You Betcha!!!!

XOXOXOX,

Christine.

215 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:24:53pm

re: #212 b_sharp

At least our beer doesn't taste like the watered down swill you 'Mericans make.

I almost never buy American beer. Don't like it.

216 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:25:23pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

I'm still enjoying the new Fallout. The game does have some bugs here and there and I'm starting to remember why I don't play RPGs very much. I don't have much patience for item crafting in games. I do it all day in real life. I also don't have the patience for some of the missions but the game is flexible enough that it still playable and fun even if you ignore some of the more tedious tasks.
I earned the cannibal upgrade last night so that's been fun.

I've skipped most of the item crafting, but I do use the ammo tables quiet a bit for reloads. I found the implant dealer, plus have the toughness Perk so I'm sitting at a 30 DT score, so I just wade thru small arms fire at this point armed with a shotgun.

217 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:26:16pm

re: #215 Gus 802

I almost never buy American beer. Don't like it.

Neither do I. I drink Sleemans and Guinness.

218 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:26:23pm

re: #213 wrenchwench

The same genetic material has made its way all over, including Mexico. Their stuff is better than it used to be.

See. I'm stuck in 1979.

219 prairiefire  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:26:40pm

re: #182 Gus 802

When those nice, young State Department workers were killed, my super liberal mum said it was time "to take them out".
I think more overt reaction from the US would be shocking, but also popular. FBI sweep? State Dept. Blackwater sweep? Missiles? What are the options?

220 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:26:47pm

Okay, folks...I put up a page...go vote now!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

221 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:26:58pm

re: #208 Gus 802

/Jumps into foxhole.

Sorry, no atheists allowed.
/

222 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:27:45pm

re: #217 b_sharp

Guinness, seconded. Two worst words in the American language: Bud Lite.

223 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:27:47pm

re: #218 Gus 802

See. I'm stuck in 1979.

You'd be better off if you switched from the tobacco. Except your liberty could be endangered.

224 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:28:27pm

ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE ALERT!!

New virus jumps from lab monkey to scientist.


Although it's an unusual move for that type of virus and does warrant further monitoring, the researchers stress there is no cause for alarm at this time. There is no evidence the virus has spread beyond the single scientist — who recovered from her illness — nor is there even proof that the virus would be transmissible between humans.

THAT'S HOW IT STARTS!!

225 prairiefire  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:28:33pm

re: #222 theheat

Guinness, seconded. Two worst words in the American language: Bud Lite.

Three worst, bud light lime.

226 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:28:36pm

re: #212 b_sharp

At least our beer doesn't taste like the watered down swill you 'Mericans make.

Try some of the microbrews. We brew some good stuff down here, just not the big american lagers. Ugh.

227 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:28:47pm

re: #212 b_sharp

At least our beer doesn't taste like the watered down swill you 'Mericans make.

I dare you to go to Seattle and say that. Double-dog dare you.
/lots of awesome breweries there

228 Kragar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:29:18pm

re: #224 negativ

ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE ALERT!!

New virus jumps from lab monkey to scientist.


THAT'S HOW IT STARTS!!

Get an axe.

229 prairiefire  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:29:49pm

Boulevard Brewing Co. in KC is very good.[Link: www.boulevard.com...]

230 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:29:52pm

Presenting only one point of view without debate never has been and never can be called science.

Fine. On the one hand, there's this thing called gravity.

On the other hand, the earth sucks.

231 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:30:21pm

re: #225 prairiefire

Stuff tastes like friggin' soda pop. Blech.

232 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:30:40pm

If you like Guinness, you should try this:

[Link: www.northcoastbrewing.com...]

233 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:31:01pm

re: #219 prairiefire

When those nice, young State Department workers were killed, my super liberal mum said it was time "to take them out".
I think more overt reaction from the US would be shocking, but also popular. FBI sweep? State Dept. Blackwater sweep? Missiles? What are the options?

The only option I see has to come from within Mexico. They're the ones that are responsible for having created a criminal drug smuggling culture that performs these inhuman criminal acts. They're the ones that have a sub-culture that sing songs that glorify the killings and gangs. And then there is the economic disparity that exists in Mexico. The list is endless. Calderon just gets to sit on his hands and blame everything on the USA.

234 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:31:01pm

re: #227 Slumbering Behemoth

Agreed, the microbrews kick. But I usually limit my beer buying adventures to my locale, which means supermarket beer. I can buy Guinness at the supermarket, and it's always good. Good, if you like murky brown tasty syrup. And I do.

235 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:32:34pm

i've been sticking to belgian ales with 8 - 10% alkools lately...

236 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:33:05pm

re: #226 3eff Jeff

Try some of the microbrews. We brew some good stuff down here, just not the big american lagers. Ugh.

The micros are pretty good up here too. I never get down to the US any more so I'm stuck with drinking beer from the majors if I want American. The only beer worse is Heineken.

237 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:33:06pm

re: #224 negativ

ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE ALERT!!

New virus jumps from lab monkey to scientist.

THAT'S HOW IT STARTS!!

Wake me up in 28 days.

238 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:33:22pm

re: #227 Slumbering Behemoth

I dare you to go to Seattle and say that. Double-dog dare you.
/lots of awesome breweries there

Yeah, the microbreweries is what finally put American beer on the map. Of course many of them aren't exactly small operations anymore -- which is a good thing. We're finally able to create high quality beer on a large scale. As opposed to, you know, Coors.

239 Locker  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:33:27pm

re: #190 Big Steve

While we are on the subject of science...last night the Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 that sodium pentathol purchased from England was a suitable substitute for sodium pentathol made by a US manufacturer. The dissenting judges were all the liberal ones. Among the information submitted were analytical chemistry tests (in this case gas chromatographs) that showed the material to be the same as US produced. I just don't understand why anyone would dissent when the science is so clear and convincing.

Well since they didn't write an opinion it's just speculation. I'll go ahead and guess...

The FDA authorizes drugs in the United States. The only FDA authorized source of this drug is here in the United States. That manufacturer has a shortage of the drug. States decide to say fuck the FDA and just order a "generic version" from some other country which hasn't been through the FDA approval process.

Showing that 2 substances are chemically identical in court is a far cry from the FDA approval process, not that I could find any report that this actually happened. Then again we know that rules are only there to be broken by the majority.

Apparently it's more important to kill someone without delay than to follow the federal standards for approved drugs. If you want to import generic blood pressure drugs from Canada, however, that's a BIG no no because you might step on some rich drug company's profits.

240 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:34:09pm

re: #233 Gus 802

See, I'm of the mind that that is short-sighted. Calderon is right that we are the market, and that part of the solution is dealing with that market. That doesn't mean he isn't an idiot. Unilaterally blaming the US is wrong. There are things that need to happen on both sides of the border.

241 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:34:12pm

re: #227 Slumbering Behemoth

I dare you to go to Seattle and say that. Double-dog dare you.
/lots of awesome breweries there

If I have somebody to drink with, I'll pop down there next time I visit my kid in Vancouver.

242 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:34:27pm

re: #16 ralphieboy

These people are also convinced that America will collapse if it falls out of Grace with the Lord. This is how they reconcile their Dominionism with Patriotism.

Surprisingly enough this is the Islamist's argument. By accepting 'Western practices' the umma has fallen out of favor with Allah. It's why the Taliban gets so crazy about things like beard length, dress codes, women's 'places' etc. Once the umma acts according to 'Islamic principles Allah will restore His favor and Islam will rule the world.

What you resist, you become as the old Taoist saying goes.

243 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:34:33pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Probably monkey butt sex related. It's always about the butt sex.
//

244 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:34:39pm

re: #234 theheat

This was one of my favorites when living in Seattle.

245 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:35:36pm

re: #232 3eff Jeff

If you like Guinness, you should try this:

[Link: www.northcoastbrewing.com...]

Now, that looks like my kind of beer.

246 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:35:38pm

re: #240 3eff Jeff

See, I'm of the mind that that is short-sighted. Calderon is right that we are the market, and that part of the solution is dealing with that market. That doesn't mean he isn't an idiot. Unilaterally blaming the US is wrong. There are things that need to happen on both sides of the border.

But how are you going to "deal with that market"? How old is the War on Drugs? 30 years, or 40?

247 researchok  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:36:53pm

re: #197 Locker

I'm having trouble parsing monolithic in this context.

What you've said above, however, seems to indicate, for you, God is in your head. This is a concept I completely agree with and I apply the same interpretation to aliens, ghosts, etc.

I have no problem with personal systems of behavior. I do have a problem with people trying to push me around, control my behavior or holding me to some standard based on their own, self constructed, system of behavior.

To them I say... fuck you and the dogma you rode in on.

On that we can agree.

The problem lies in the belief that for many, personal faith is supplanted by efforts to proselytize.

As a behaviorist, I can explain as to why that happens. Simply stated, there is a 'bargain' made with God- my sins and behavioral shortcomings are set aside if my efforts bring in more faithful. There are lots of historical reasons as to how that became acceptable theology, but in the end they all originate in a form of religious taxation.

People do not need God to tell them not to kill, or rob or beat someone about the head. Some people choose religious beliefs because those beliefs give their lives meaning and purpose- and that is the entire point of religion.

It is my belief that any other form of belief that supplants that truth is a weak expression of faith.

True believers ought to spend a lifetime working on bettering themselves and helping others, as opposed to focusing on the behavior others- as in the Mother Teresa plan.

248 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:37:06pm

re: #215 Gus 802

the only american beer I drink is made by Sam Adams and the occasional sierra nevada. The rest is either cerveza from mexico (usually pacifico or bohemia) or St. Pauli Girl.

249 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:37:25pm

re: #232 3eff Jeff

If you like Guinness, you should try this:

[Link: www.northcoastbrewing.com...]

Ooh that looks good. Big Guinness fan here. Also, really like Beamish and Murphy's, two stouts I tried when I studied and lived in Ireland for a month last summer.

250 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:37:48pm

re: #240 3eff Jeff

See, I'm of the mind that that is short-sighted. Calderon is right that we are the market, and that part of the solution is dealing with that market. That doesn't mean he isn't an idiot. Unilaterally blaming the US is wrong. There are things that need to happen on both sides of the border.

You eliminate the Mexican imports by going to California imports. If US users smoked American grown pot then the Mexican gangs would lose their market.

251 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:38:10pm

re: #250 Gus 802

You eliminate the Mexican imports by going to California imports grown. If US users smoked American grown pot then the Mexican gangs would lose their market.

Oops.

252 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:38:19pm

re: #244 Slumbering Behemoth

This was one of my favorites when living in Seattle.

OK, it looks like I spoke way too soon about American beer. Time to run down and do a little beer tasting.

253 darthstar  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:38:40pm

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Ooh that looks good. Big Guinness fan here. Also, really like Beamish and Murphy's, two stouts I tried when I studied and lived in Ireland for a month last summer.

Old Rasputin's one of my favorites...their Engine No. 38 is also a good beer to try.

254 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:38:56pm

re: #244 Slumbering Behemoth

The Ram restaurant chain always has some tasty microbrews, and when we trek up to Seattle, we usually sample a bunch. I spent many evenings tasting this or that. Then we moved to the sticks, I got lazy, and limit my beer adventures to Guinness. But I do have a few written down to try next time I head up there.

255 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:39:08pm

re: #242 Romantic Heretic

. Once the umma acts according to 'Islamic principles Allah will restore His favor and Islam will rule the world.

Don't mess with Umma, or she will kill you with a big samurai sword

256 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:39:27pm

re: #248 Dreggas

the only american beer I drink is made by Sam Adams and the occasional sierra nevada. The rest is either cerveza from mexico (usually pacifico or bohemia) or St. Pauli Girl.

New Belgian Brewing Co. here. Or I'll get a Guinness from time to time. Started buying some Grolsch recently.

257 Slap  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:39:31pm

re: #234 theheat

I have a hard time with pasteurized Guinness. I was fortunate enough to get a taste of the unadulterated fresh stuff when I was living in Berlin in the '80s, and it's a TOTALLY different animal. Smooth, creamy, wondrous and almost sweet.

Sigh.

Plus, the house Irish band at the pub was led by an old geezer named Paddy (no shit), who used to introduce the tunes in heavily Irish-accented German. One of the funniest things I've ever heard.....

258 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:39:39pm

re: #252 b_sharp

All in good fun. If all I ever had was Bud, I would have said the same thing.

259 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:40:35pm

re: #246 wrenchwench

But how are you going to "deal with that market"? How old is the War on Drugs? 30 years, or 40?

Probably not the way Calderon thinks we should. I'm for a couple of different approaches. Step up enforcement while phasing in legalization. Get as many illegitimate operators out of the market while allowing legitimate, regulated business in. The other option would be to legalized state sanctioned operations first (like state liquor control board stores) and then allow states to phase those out to private businesses at their own pace (after a window of five or ten years).

I am for radical legalization. Cocaine and heroin are bad drugs, but the social ills of prohibition are worse. I'd rather see the money spent on the War on Drugs go to rehabilitation programs and other treatment options for addicts.

260 prairiefire  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:40:45pm

re: #233 Gus 802

The assassinations are chilling. Something like 13 local mayors killed so far this year.

261 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:41:35pm

So if we increase domestic production of marijuana then you reduce the Mexican exports by a large factor. Thus putting a stranglehold on the Mexican drug cartels.

262 prairiefire  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:42:00pm

re: #261 Gus 802

So if we increase domestic production of marijuana then you reduce the Mexican exports by a large factor. Thus putting a stranglehold on the Mexican drug cartels.

A win win.

263 Slap  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:42:16pm

re: #256 Gus 802

Oh, man. Now you've done it.

Now I have no choice but to pick up a six of Fat Tire before I head home....!

264 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:42:26pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Oh man that is the kind of creepy stuff I think really "could" happen. Not movie zombies, but a deadly virulent peril. As opposed to say aliens invading. The lab disease disaster concept is a real nightmare imo.

265 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:42:28pm

re: #254 theheat

Would that be these Rams? Got pretty munted one night at that one in Salem.

266 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:42:43pm

I have to say being overseas for parts of 2008/09 really gave me an appreciation for international beer. I'd loved Guinness and stouts before I studied/lived in Galway but after living there, I think I started to enjoy them even more. There's this really neat place in DC that I've been to that has a nice menu of beers. What I want to do next is try some Eastern European beers. I've had a Polish beer ebfore which was good and of course Pilsner Urquell.

267 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:43:06pm

re: #250 Gus 802

You eliminate the Mexican imports by going to California imports. If US users smoked American grown pot then the Mexican gangs would lose their market.

As I said up-thread, this is why I voted yes on prop 19. I'd rather have a problem with state lines and gray market operations in California than with international borders. But, I also don't think the cartels are going to be seriously hurt by losing the marijuana trade. My understanding is that they have their most significant business in other drugs.

268 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:43:21pm

Christine O'Donnell is just starting to get sad now.

O'Donnell threatened to sue radio station


It was then, according to WDEL, that O'Donnell herself threatened to sue the station if it did not comply with the request. WDEL also says it later fielded a phone call from O'Donnell campaign manager Matt Moran, who threatened to "crush" the station with a lawsuit if it did not agree to turn over the tape.

WDEL's attorney was soon involved and told the campaign there was nothing illegal about videotaping the interview for later use on the station's website and added that such action is protected by the First Amendment.

Upon further investigation, WDEL says O'Donnell's attorney called the station to apologize for the uproar and threat of litigation.

269 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:43:37pm

There is a big difference between a moral code and a legal code.

And that is the cruy. One can make a strong argument that here in America and in most of Europe, our moral code is mainly based on the Judeo-Christian tradition.

But our legal code comes from a variety of sources.

And a moral code is a personal, subjective thing. A legal code has to be universal and objective.

But once again, we are dealing with people who are so poorly educated that they do not see the difference betwwen a moral code and a legal system, people who do not see the difference between a science text and a book of Holy Scriptures and who do not see the need to differentiate between Church and State.

270 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:44:15pm

re: #267 3eff Jeff

As I said up-thread, this is why I voted yes on prop 19. I'd rather have a problem with state lines and gray market operations in California than with international borders. But, I also don't think the cartels are going to be seriously hurt by losing the marijuana trade. My understanding is that they have their most significant business in other drugs.

Yep. Chemicals.

271 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:44:20pm

re: #264 Rightwingconspirator

Oh man that is the kind of creepy stuff I think really "could" happen. Not movie zombies, but a deadly virulent peril. As opposed to say aliens invading. The lab disease disaster concept is a real nightmare imo.

[Link: secure.wikimedia.org...]

Pretty good flick.

272 Slap  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:44:30pm

re: #266 HappyWarrior

Look for Budwar (which I was told was the "original" budweiser, but that had an "urban legend" feel to it). Fine, fine beer. Very easy to get carried away.

273 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:45:33pm

re: #265 Slumbering Behemoth

That be the critter. Their microbrew selection changes, so it's a nice place to sample a bunch while you grab something decent to eat. Seattle's such a production, drivingwise, to go be a snotty microbrew swizzler, but there's a Ram 20 minutes from here.

274 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:46:07pm

re: #268 negativ

Wait a minute, she has a Moran managing her campaign? Figures.

275 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:46:11pm

re: #272 Slap

Look for Budwar (which I was told was the "original" budweiser, but that had an "urban legend" feel to it). Fine, fine beer. Very easy to get carried away.

Budvar is "Budweis" in German, but aside from the name, there is no direct link.

276 Batman  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:46:39pm
Now anti-wanking candidate Christine O’Donnell’s campaign manager, Jonathon Moseley, is offering a $1000 “bounty” to anyone who can find the exact phrase “separation of church and state” in the US Constitution.

That's like saying "find the exact phrase 'don't cut off anyone's head' in the ten commandments."

277 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:46:51pm

re: #219 prairiefire

When those nice, young State Department workers were killed, my super liberal mum said it was time "to take them out".
I think more overt reaction from the US would be shocking, but also popular. FBI sweep? State Dept. Blackwater sweep? Missiles? What are the options?

Announce that you've sold the Mexican government some drones. Actually sell them a few. And then start running your own drones in their airspace with Mexican markings (and some clearance from high up in the Mexican government on the hush hush.)

278 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:47:55pm

re: #225 prairiefire

Three worst, bud light lime.

I actually witnessed someone buying a case of that in southern Illinois near Carbondale when I was out that way in August.

279 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:48:25pm

re: #273 theheat

There was a small, out of the way, neighborhood bar somewhere in Seattle that boasted 70 different microbrews on tap. Wish I could remember the name of the place. Heh. There's a lot of Seattle bars I can't remember the names of. Good times.

280 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:48:28pm

re: #56 Ericus58We have a Brain, and we have the ability to think

Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?

Uh, I think so, Brain, but we'll never get a monkey to use dental floss.

Sorry. Couldn't help myself.

281 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:48:38pm

Craziest beer experience I've ever had when I was getting my lunch at a tavern one day near my townhouse in Galway. Looked at their beer selection and they had "Duff" from the Simpsons with the same logo design and everything. Asked the bartender if I could have the bottle since I felt it would look real cool at my place. The beer itself was pretty forgettable. It was imported from Mexico I want to say.

282 prairiefire  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:48:41pm

re: #277 oaktree

That's a good start. I don't know if the cartels will be impressed until they start being killed.

283 latitude51  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:49:36pm

If they bring down the wall between church and state, will they be able to agree on what church to abide by?

284 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:50:08pm

re: #278 oaktree

What was the godawful wine cooler stuff used to buy, that started with a Z? Ziba or something? I used to see people buy that in 6 packs and think WHY WHY WHY?! It was like lemonade and nail polish remover. Hideous.

285 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:51:21pm

re: #283 latitude51

If they bring down the wall between church and state, will they be able to agree on what church to abide by?

I can just imagine a room full of adherents arguing about which translation of the Bible to use for a new thumper law.

286 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:51:53pm

re: #283 latitude51

If they bring down the wall between church and state, will they be able to agree on what church to abide by?

That's how wars start.

287 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:52:00pm

Zima

A more foul brew has never been concocted!!!!

288 calochortus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:52:25pm

re: #161 Locker


They need to invent aliens, ghosts, tarot, channeling and yes... religion to inject some "much needed?" mystery into their lives. No offense to the freakazoid role players but looking down into the grass and seeing an ant carrying something 10x it's size is WAY more incredible than "ghostly ectoplasm" that suddenly appears in "haunted houses" whenever the investigators sneeze into their hand.

I get enough "mystery" in my life wondering where in the ##$$%% I put some infrequently used item...

289 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:52:42pm

re: #287 Amory Blaine

Zima

A more foul brew has never been concocted!!!

Haha I was just thinking of that. I always got a kick out of Zima since Zima was one of my great grandmother's maiden names.

290 Batman  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:53:12pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Haha I was just thinking of that. I always got a kick out of Zima since Zima was one of my great grandmother's maiden names.

What were her other maiden names?

291 calochortus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:53:15pm

re: #283 latitude51

If they bring down the wall between church and state, will they be able to agree on what church to abide by?

Well that's easy-"my" church-you know, the true faith. Silly question/

292 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:54:21pm

re: #279 Slumbering Behemoth

Mr. Heat had a place in Madison Park, and there were several there. Also around Ballard and Greenlake and Lake Washington. I think nearly every crevice in those little communities had some terrific hole in the wall that pimped microbrews.

Then we moved to the sticks, and all that high dollar microbrew livin' came to a grinding halt. Mr. Heat might as well been Eva Gabor in Green Acres, and me Eddie Albert. All that microbrew swillin' went the way of Guinness from Safeway.

293 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:55:09pm

re: #290 nonsense

What were her other maiden names?


Smirnoff ;)
Kidding, I didn't mean to make that sound like she had more than one maiden name. Apparently Zima means winter in the Slavic languages.

294 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:55:27pm

re: #92 engineer dog

In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'

and if "original intent of the founding fathers" is so important, why does this direct statement of intent by a founding father carry no weight?

Because to them the Constitution just like the Bible. It's an excuse for their behavior, not a guideline to be a better person.

295 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:55:36pm

re: #291 calochortus

Well that's easy-"my" church-you know, the true faith. Silly question/

That's Mormonism, right? Glenn Beck's church?

/Yeah, this is going to be amazing.

296 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:56:01pm

re: #279 Slumbering Behemoth

There was a small, out of the way, neighborhood bar somewhere in Seattle that boasted 70 different microbrews on tap. Wish I could remember the name of the place. Heh. There's a lot of Seattle bars I can't remember the names of. Good times.

[Link: www.taphousegrill.com...]

297 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:56:09pm

re: #287 Amory Blaine

That's it! Worst stuff ever.

298 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:57:24pm

re: #284 theheat

Zima. The girls used to love that stuff. Bleh.

299 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:57:45pm

re: #287 Amory Blaine

Zima

A more foul brew has never been concocted!!!

Coors Brewing trying to tap a niche market. Bud Light Lime is essentially trying to go down the same path. Beer-based, fruit flavor, cut the alcohol and fizz it up a bit more.

Local brewpub here makes a nice Berlinnerweisse if you want something light. And they have an oddly named beer called "Monkey Knife Fight" as well which is somewhat oddly spiced. IPA and other stuff for those who want the standards. :)

And if you ever end up in Glens Falls, NY some evening I'll toss in a recommendation for Davidson Bros Restaurant and Brewery. Good food, and better beer! @_@

300 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:59:12pm

re: #295 3eff Jeff

That's Mormonism, right? Glenn Beck's church?

/Yeah, this is going to be amazing.

Yeah, I hoped you all liked your conversation about alcohol, because soon this conversation will be illegal.

//

Of course kidding.

301 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:00:36pm

re: #296 Gus 802

I think I'm in love.

302 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:01:19pm

re: #301 Slumbering Behemoth

I think I'm in love.

Yeah. It would take 10 minutes to pick a beer.

"I need two more minutes."

/

303 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:01:36pm

re: #300 EmmmieG

Grow your own, brew your own, until the stormtroopers come. Then we gets to blast 'em, because we likes our guns 'n' God.
//

Also kidding. Kinda. The thought of any theocracy at all makes me shudder.

304 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:02:42pm

re: #300 EmmmieG

Yeah, I hoped you all liked your conversation about alcohol, because soon this conversation will be illegal.

//

Of course kidding.

If the revolution goes down that path I expect the follow-up counter-revolution to appear very quickly afterwards. I think even the British were careful enough to not put a rum tax on the colonies. (Note: I think they did tax molasses however, which is essentially the same thing since it's a major raw material for the rum.)

:)

305 latitude51  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:03:08pm

re: #295 3eff Jeff

None of the Mormons that I know would stand for that.

306 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:03:41pm

re: #302 Gus 802

Nah, just camp out and go down the line. A day or so later you can start from the first tap all over again. Who the hell needs a functioning liver anyway?

307 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:05:07pm

re: #306 Slumbering Behemoth

Nah, just camp out and go down the line. A day or so later you can start from the first tap all over again. Who the hell needs a functioning liver anyway?

Yep. Start with beer #1 and work your way to 160. Not all in one day of course.

/

308 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:06:46pm

re: #305 latitude51

None of the Mormons that I know would stand for that.

Yes, to begin with having church standards enforced by law would be counter to our own theology.

You can buy alcohol and tobacco in Utah. I understand the law is a bit unusual (I've never had to learn it myself), but it is available.

309 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:06:48pm

re: #305 latitude51

None of the Mormons that I know would stand for that.

I know. I picked on them because of their history and the still significant antagonism they get from the rest of evangelical Christianity. Also, a major leader of the tea party movement is a Mormon. If they got what they wanted, this would be a problem.

310 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:06:57pm

re: #306 Slumbering Behemoth

Nah, just camp out and go down the line. A day or so later you can start from the first tap all over again. Who the hell needs a functioning liver anyway?

Image: DSC00022.JPG

311 theheat  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:07:02pm

I have to go study the fat to protein percentages in a new brand of feed. Fascinating. Not. BBL.

312 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:07:31pm

re: #310 Gus 802

Image: DSC00022.JPG

Ugh. This one...

[Link: picasaweb.google.com...]

313 Gus  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:12:02pm

Hasta later.

314 latitude51  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:14:02pm

re: #309 3eff Jeff

re: #308 EmmmieG

And I say that because my father would be the most opposed, I lapsed a long time ago. But our opinion doesn't count, coming from the other side of the 49.

315 TedStriker  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:21:20pm

re: #137 oaktree

The Professor had no interest in getting the boat fixed since he was on a fairly comfortable island, wasn't bothered much by folk when he wanted to do research, and had both Ginger and Mary Ann available since the other four people on the island were in stable relationships.

;)

In other words, the Professor was a mack daddy... ;-P

316 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:23:30pm

re: #314 latitude51

re: #308 EmmmieG

And I say that because my father would be the most opposed, I lapsed a long time ago. But our opinion doesn't count, coming from the other side of the 49.

No, thank you for calling me out. Putting a disclaimer in my comment crossed my mind, but my internal editor nixed it because it wrecked the flow of the comment and conversation. I figured I could clarify a couple comments down.

My impression is that by and large, Mormons don't want to run the government according to their church doctrine (that hasn't stopped them from entering some fights though, prop 8 springs to mind from the recent past). OTOH, Mormons have that long history of having the reverse problem of government persecution, and a Baptist Theocracy would not have a good prognosis on that front.

Anyway, with that clarification, I need bail for the afternoon.

317 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:25:00pm

re: #316 3eff Jeff

No, thank you for calling me out. Putting a disclaimer in my comment crossed my mind, but my internal editor nixed it because it wrecked the flow of the comment and conversation. I figured I could clarify a couple comments down.

My impression is that by and large, Mormons don't want to run the government according to their church doctrine (that hasn't stopped them from entering some fights though, prop 8 springs to mind from the recent past). OTOH, Mormons have that long history of having the reverse problem of government persecution, and a Baptist Theocracy would not have a good prognosis on that front.

Anyway, with that clarification, I need bail for the afternoon.

Are you doing something illegal this afternoon and expect to get caught?

318 3eff Jeff  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:27:00pm

re: #317 b_sharp

Are you doing something illegal this afternoon and expect to get caught?

PIMF. Ugh. I need to bail for the afternoon. Nice catch.

319 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:53:05pm

re: #294 Romantic Heretic

Because to them the Constitution just like the Bible. It's an excuse for their behavior, not a guideline to be a better person.

Updinged a bazillion times.

320 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:59:16pm

Unless you have done the math, and your particular sect is 51% of the country, you really should be for the separation of church and state.

321 latitude51  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:24:18pm

re: #316 3eff Jeff

Wasn't calling you out. Actually, I thought your reply was pretty funny. I have a sister who is totally embarrassed that Beck is a Mormon. I also have a brother that is embarrassed that Harry Reid is Mormon. I love our Sunday family dinners.

322 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:45:34pm

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

So, are we ready to admit that anti-constitutional morons who talk about open rebellion against America, and who want to destroy her laws and founding principles are anti-American to the core?

No. But what's the difference? Their pro-American sentiments are unmatched to any rational understanding of where their agenda would take us. The road to hell is paved with what seem to the walker like good intentions. Mixed with a fatal dose of pride.

The thing is, these people do not see their mission as the destruction of the U.S. If they could ever be brought to comprehend what must flow out of their getting their way, they'd be appalled, and would not want the victory they now seek.

For now, we've got to stop them. And then, if it be possible, educate them.

323 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:51:20pm

re: #9 Obdicut

You really can teach science in a lot of ways by offering just one view.

There is only one view that the earth revolves around the sun, not two. There is only one view that inertia is conserved. There is only one view that the pancreas is the organ that secretes insulin.

And of course, when one teaches evolution, one doesn't teach just one view. One teaches how Darwin envisaged it, the modern synthesis that occurred when people realized Mendel's work provided the key to the mechanism of Darwinian selection, Dawkin's further work, etc.

What a putz.

Everything has a reason. In science, it's never necessary to answer "because I say so. Shut up and sit down". Not until the questioner has asked the same stupid question for the third time, and obstinately refuses to hear the answer.

Trouble is, that's where these guys are. They say they want science taught in a manner that respects this fundamental fact, the words to which they've memorized but without comprehension:

The heart and soul of science is questioning nature, and respecting the answers she gives.

It does NOT come down to a debate. It does NOT come down to challenging established thinking. There is no possibility of a sensible challenge to the thinking that connects the evidence seen so far, to the theory that water runs downhill.

324 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 8:44:38pm

re: #112 theheat

Actually, tales of spirits predate Victorian times. Practically every religion has some context they use to frame the departed, and their reappearance as one thing or another. I think television ghosthunting and Victorian writings hit the reset button on the most popular ideas about ghosts, spirits... whatever you want to call them.

I just re-read Ghost Story by Peter Straub... the most interesting thing about it is....

SPOILER ALERT
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SPOILER ALERT


...It doesn't actually have any ghosts.


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