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1 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:14:42pm

This. Man. Is. AWESOME!!!

Someone buy him a beer.

2 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:16:16pm

I can agree Nazis look nothing like Obama.

3 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:16:26pm

I was there. Unfortunately I didn't have my camera on me, but here are some awesome signs I remember.

The Tea Party serves Koch

[...]

Do you want to stop sharia law? Support Separation of Church and State

One crazy (but still clever) sign said:

I'm Palestinian and I want my country back

He wasn't talking about America.

4 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:18:43pm

///Well of course they didn't when was the last time you heard of a black nazi?

///Warior of the Lost World.

5 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:19:03pm

re: #4 jamesfirecat
LOL

6 simoom  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:19:33pm

Just so I don't take credit from whoever first uploaded this photo, the place I saw it linked to was over at Reddit (and later I also saw it posted as a twitpic):
[Link: www.reddit.com...]

7 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:19:36pm

re: #3 Max D. Reinhardt

I was there. Unfortunately I didn't have my camera on me, but here are some awesome signs I remember.

One crazy (but still clever) sign said:

He wasn't talking about America.

I saw that sign also... (want my country back) not sure how well it would go over with the rest of you guys here at LGF....

8 webevintage  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:21:03pm

That is a great sign.

While I was watching the rally the went to a guy with a stuffed coyote on his shoulder holding a sign that said:
I'm not a coyote.
I'm you.

9 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:22:54pm

re: #7 jamesfirecat

I saw that sign also... (want my country back) not sure how well it would go over with the rest of you guys here at LGF...

I had to resist the urge to kick his ass. Also, for a sanity rally, there where a lot of idiots wearing keffiyehs.

10 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:24:46pm

re: #9 Max D. Reinhardt

I had to resist the urge to kick his ass. Also, for a sanity rally, there where a lot of idiots wearing keffiyehs.

I think the inclusion of Cat Stevens was a mistake. Other than that, I can't complain about much, I think they really stuck the right tone with the rally.

11 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:24:49pm

re: #7 jamesfirecat

My opinion of the "Restoring Sanity" rally: sanity was in a better condition before 11 o'clock this morning.

12 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:24:59pm

re: #9 Max D. Reinhardt

I had to resist the urge to kick his ass. Also, for a sanity rally, there where a lot of idiots wearing keffiyehs.

Really?

I didn't see that many, I mainly noticed the idiots playing Vuvuzelas....

13 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:25:24pm

For those such as the man in the photo, no words can express how great a debt our nation owes them. All I can say is "Thank You" and play this vid:

14 joest73  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:26:38pm

Here are a few rather mild signs here.

15 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:26:45pm

re: #12 jamesfirecat

Really?

I didn't see that many, I mainly noticed the idiots playing Vuvuzelas...

I saw a lot of vuvuzela hats and hipsters on top of the port-a-potties during the Stewart-Colbert debate.

16 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:26:50pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

For those such as the man in the photo, no words can express how great a debt our nation owes them. All I can say is "Thank You" and play this vid:


[Video]

nice...my elder kin thank you as well

17 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:26:50pm

re: #12 jamesfirecat

Really?

I didn't see that many, I mainly noticed the idiots playing Vuvuzelas...

I hate those things. The sound they make when played en masse drives me crazy.

18 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:27:33pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

I hate those things. The sound they make when played en masse drives me crazy.

The vuvuzelas or the moonbats wearing keffiyehs?

/

19 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:29:27pm

re: #14 joest73

Poor wingnuts have been rendered humorless.

20 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:29:30pm

re: #18 Max D. Reinhardt

The vuvuzelas or the moonbats wearing keffiyehs?

/

Both. The barking of moonbats is also very annoying.

21 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:30:27pm

Also is there suppose to be something villianous/wrong about the keffiyehs or is it just saying "you know there were a lot of muslims/people who have a middle eastern fashion sense at that rally"?

22 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:31:16pm

re: #3 Max D. Reinhardt

I'm Palestinian and I want my country back.

How can you get "back" a country you never had in the first place?

23 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:31:17pm

re: #21 jamesfirecat

Also is there suppose to be something villianous/wrong about the keffiyehs or is it just saying "you know there were a lot of muslims/people who have a middle eastern fashion sense at that rally"?

ask Juan...he has the answer

24 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:32:11pm

re: #22 Alouette

How can you get "back" a country you never had in the first place?

start with a nuptial to the UN...all downhill from there

25 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:32:14pm

re: #21 jamesfirecat

Also is there suppose to be something villianous/wrong about the keffiyehs or is it just saying "you know there were a lot of muslims/people who have a middle eastern fashion sense at that rally"?

It's an "I Hate Israel" dog whistle.

26 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:33:18pm

re: #25 Alouette

It's an "I Hate Israel" dog whistle.

yup

27 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:33:23pm

re: #21 jamesfirecat

Also is there suppose to be something villianous/wrong about the keffiyehs or is it just saying "you know there were a lot of muslims/people who have a middle eastern fashion sense at that rally"?

Hipsters do use the keffiyeh as a way to "rebel" against the establishment (America's staunch support of Israel), but it is a very foolish trend. That scarf is the symbol of the Intifada, the senseless murder of Israelis by Palestinian terrorists, and of Arafat's betrayal of Israeli trust.

It is an evil garment.

28 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:34:07pm

re: #25 Alouette

It's an "I Hate Israel" dog whistle.

At rallies, definitely.

29 webevintage  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:34:28pm

I think I mentioned it before, but really all the butthurt about the rally from Progressive pundits on Twitter was pretty entertaining.

I paid no attention to Malkin and her ilk, but I bet she was all hot and bothered that so many regular, everyday Americans were willing to come out and have fun in DC today.

30 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:35:02pm

re: #25 Alouette

It's an "I Hate Israel" dog whistle.

If you say so (non sarcasm) I don't presume to know all the complicated implications of headwear. When I was back in my teens I ended up spending an entire day in Key West with my boyscout troop inadvertently wearing my hat backwards because I felt like it, and it wasn't till I got back to the boat that its captain let me know that doing that was apparently a way of saying "I'm gay" in that area....

31 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:35:19pm

That's really cool. I didn't see that guy. My favorite sign was by a guy wearing a Hessian type uniform with a 18th century style mustache with a sign that said repeal the third amendment. Thought that was rather clever given the recent uproar over the 14th and the people who want ot repeal it. It was fun and anyone who says there was less than 100,000 people there is full of crap. The city was packed with people. Was a good time but I am so exhausted.

32 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:35:38pm

re: #29 webevintage

I think I mentioned it before, but really all the butthurt about the rally from Progressive pundits on Twitter was pretty entertaining.

I paid no attention to Malkin and her ilk, but I bet she was all hot and bothered that so many regular, everyday Americans were willing to come out and have fun in DC today.

I give up. This country is a hopeless case.

33 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:35:59pm

re: #25 Alouette

It's an "I Hate Israel" dog whistle.

Quite Concur. Endless praise of "Palestine" is a tactic used by people who want to delegitimize Israel.

34 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:36:22pm

re: #30 jamesfirecat

If you say so (non sarcasm) I don't presume to know all the complicated implications of headwear. When I was back in my teens I ended up spending an entire day in Key West with my boyscout troop inadvertently wearing my hat backwards because I felt like it, and it wasn't till I got back to the boat that its captain let me know that doing that was apparently a way of saying "I'm gay" in that area...

you need to hit the books dude...start with Munich

35 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:36:36pm

re: #9 Max D. Reinhardt

I had to resist the urge to kick his ass. Also, for a sanity rally, there where a lot of idiots wearing keffiyehs.

Yeah. That's my big problem with the convergence of leftists, liberals and their allies. Many also erroneously dislike Israel for being teh oppressor of the former land squatters in the region formerly known as Palestine.

36 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:36:40pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Wow, that is pretty clever.

37 Batman  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:37:32pm

re: #14 joest73

Here are a few rather mild signs here.

What a vile website. And one that clearly has no understanding of irony or satire.

38 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:37:50pm

re: #32 Gus 802

You're not thinking of jumping ship, are you?

39 3eff Jeff  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:38:16pm

re: #30 jamesfirecat

If you say so (non sarcasm) I don't presume to know all the complicated implications of headwear. When I was back in my teens I ended up spending an entire day in Key West with my boyscout troop inadvertently wearing my hat backwards because I felt like it, and it wasn't till I got back to the boat that its captain let me know that doing that was apparently a way of saying "I'm gay" in that area...

I think that was the boat captain waging a war against backwards baseball caps. Usually it just means "I like wearing my hat backwards" (it's been stylish for a while now...).

40 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:38:18pm

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

You're not thinking of jumping ship, are you?

No. Just thinking too much.

41 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:38:45pm

re: #30 jamesfirecat

Trust us on this one, James.

42 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:38:45pm

re: #14 joest73

Here are a few rather mild signs here.

Obvious wingnut is obvious

You really are just not a very smart person

43 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:38:55pm

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

You're not thinking of jumping ship, are you?

hahaha!....sell me your options

44 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:39:14pm

re: #32 Gus 802

I give up. This country is a hopeless case.

Pull yourself together, Sanity Soldier! Fight harder!

45 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:39:47pm

re: #40 Gus 802

No. Just thinking too much.

I have a cure for that.

46 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:39:57pm

re: #30 jamesfirecat

If you say so (non sarcasm) I don't presume to know all the complicated implications of headwear. When I was back in my teens I ended up spending an entire day in Key West with my boyscout troop inadvertently wearing my hat backwards because I felt like it, and it wasn't till I got back to the boat that its captain let me know that doing that was apparently a way of saying "I'm gay" in that area...

It's usually worn as a scarf and the pattern is distinctive, comprised entirely of black and white. Pro-Israel supporters have been known to wear a similar patterned scarf, but in colors of light blue and white. I've been to close to 20 rallies in San Francisco and both the Arabs and their clueless non-Arab lefty allies don the scarf as a message of hate.

47 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:40:16pm

re: #44 Max D. Reinhardt

Pull yourself together, Sanity Soldier! Fight harder!

How's that? By finding one or two people at this rally wearing a keffiyeh and then throwing the baby out with the bath water?

48 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:40:18pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Trust us on this one, James.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

However I do want to pose a question.

Do any of you guys think that anything Jon Stewart/the other presenters said had an Anti-Isreal bias to it?

I can't say one way or another because I only heard one word in three...

49 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:40:32pm

Sighs. Cat just barfed on the sofa.

50 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:40:58pm

re: #47 Gus 802

How's that? By finding one or two people at this rally wearing a keffiyeh and then throwing the baby out with the bath water?

Man, no doubt

51 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:41:33pm

re: #48 jamesfirecat

I'm not disagreeing with you.

However I do want to pose a question.

Do any of you guys think that anything Jon Stewart/the other presenters said had an Anti-Isreal bias to it?

I can't say one way or another because I only heard one word in three...

Remember, John Stewart hides the fact that he's jewish lol

52 William of Orange  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:42:02pm

The BBC website also has a long list of banner lines posted.

I'm a little annoyed but I'll get over it
Somewhat irritated about extreme outrage
I'm irritated as heck and could probably take some more, but would prefer not
I'm pretty content actually
We have nothing to fear but fear itself and spiders
Cheer up, it's only politics
I disagree with you but I'm pretty sure you're not Hitler
I'm here from the internet to put captions on your rally
Hyperbole is the antichrist
Obama - re-open NY subway toilets now
Look at my ironic hipster sign
One nation under Aqua Buddha
Birthers for Hawaii statehood
Signs are an impractical medium for civil discourse
I leave binary thinking to computers

America, I love your sense of humor!!


(Come to think of it, you can almost consider this a poem.)

53 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:42:04pm

re: #50 WindUpBird

Man, no doubt

Poison the well. Guess now the Rally for Sanity has been blacklisted. Along with the New York Times, Huffington Post, DKos, MSNBC, EIEIO.

54 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:42:12pm

re: #43 albusteve

hahaha!...sell me your options

My options? I'm moving in with you. We'll get fucked up and shoot at jack rabbits all day.

55 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:42:36pm

re: #52 William of Orange

ahahahaha

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself and spiders"

56 Reginald Perrin  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:43:28pm

re: #37 nonsense

What a vile website. And one that clearly has no understanding of irony or satire.


Agreed, some of the signs were from members of the Colbert Nation attending the Keep Fear Alive rally and the message of their signs were satirical in nature. Our resident troll who linked to the site seems to have forgotten that the two rallies were combined.

57 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:43:41pm

re: #52 William of Orange

The BBC website also has a long list of banner lines posted.

America, I love your sense of humor!!

(Come to think of it, you can almost consider this a poem.)

"I'm against picketing but I'm unsure how to show it...."

58 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:43:45pm

re: #30 jamesfirecat

And in answer to your question last thread about the Stalkers' reaction to the Stewart rally: They first went after Yusef Islam (AKA Cat Stevens) being there (which is reasonable), but then promptly veered down Hater Lane. They used used the fact that Charles reported a higher attendance figure than the Associated Press to go spewing hate again. So they talked about the rally briefly, but soon fell back into mindless Charles-hate. He really does live in their heads.

59 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:44:14pm

off topic: I am really tired today. Is it normal when you're super tired to 'hear' or think you hear 'ringing in your ears'? It's not really ringing either but that's just the sensation.

60 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:44:34pm

re: #48 jamesfirecat

I'm not disagreeing with you.

However I do want to pose a question.

Do any of you guys think that anything Jon Stewart/the other presenters said had an Anti-Isreal bias to it?

I can't say one way or another because I only heard one word in three...

Not even close.

Here is my feeling: some sane folks organized a rally for today and some kooks showed up. Compare this to the kooks who organize tea party rallies (as have been well documented right here) and get a few sane people to show up.

61 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:44:55pm

re: #48 jamesfirecat

I'm not disagreeing with you.

However I do want to pose a question.

Do any of you guys think that anything Jon Stewart/the other presenters said had an Anti-Isreal bias to it?

I can't say one way or another because I only heard one word in three...

I don't know. I was gaming and did not see the rally.

62 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:45:03pm

re: #60 bratwurst

Not even close.

Here is my feeling: some sane folks organized a rally for today and some kooks showed up. Compare this to the kooks who organize tea party rallies (as have been well documented right here) and get a few sane people to show up.

Exactly

63 Batman  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:45:05pm

What, no 'Obama, bring back Arrested Development'?

64 3eff Jeff  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:45:49pm

re: #59 eclectic infidel

off topic: I am really tired today. Is it normal when you're super tired to 'hear' or think you hear 'ringing in your ears'? It's not really ringing either but that's just the sensation.

I sometimes do. It might be mild tinnitus: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

65 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:45:49pm

re: #63 nonsense

Obama, bring back Cop Rock

66 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:46:05pm

re: #60 bratwurst

Not even close.

Here is my feeling: some sane folks organized a rally for today and some kooks showed up. Compare this to the kooks who organize tea party rallies (as have been well documented right here) and get a few sane people to show up.

Yeah. That whole first amendment thing opens the door to everyone, especially in the public square. Not complaining, just a fact of life. Our pro-Israel side gets a few Kahanists with some nasty signs. We've asked a few to leave and a few complied, others told us to sod off.

67 jaunte  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:46:07pm

re: #59 eclectic infidel
Something like that happens to me when I'm really tired, too.

68 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:46:08pm

re: #62 WindUpBird

Exactly

liberals are not sane...common misconception

69 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:46:52pm

re: #48 jamesfirecat

I'm not disagreeing with you.

However I do want to pose a question.

Do any of you guys think that anything Jon Stewart/the other presenters said had an Anti-Isreal bias to it?

I can't say one way or another because I only heard one word in three...

No, he did not, and I never implied that he did. But the type of people that a rally attracts is very telling about its values.

Back in April of 2009, I attended a Tea Party protest. I agreed with their message and I saw no signs of insanity so I attended another one in July, and then came Black September. After the September 12th Taxpayer's March on Washington, I broke ranks with the Tea Partiers. The racism, Red Scare conspiracy theories, and extreme social conservatism repulsed me right out of the movement. I'm more cautious now about the company that I keep. If these are the people that the "Restoring Sanity" rally (and potentially movement) attract than I say... bub eye!

70 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:47:28pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

And in answer to your question last thread about the Stalkers' reaction to the Stewart rally: They first went after Yusef Islam (AKA Cat Stevens) being there (which is reasonable), but then promptly veered down Hater Lane. They used used the fact that Charles reported a higher attendance figure than the Associated Press to go spewing hate again. So they talked about the rally briefly, but soon fell back into mindless Charles-hate. He really does live in their heads.

Hater Lane, is that the street right next to Outrage Bulevard that you can reach if you take a left turn off of Rancor Avenue then a right at the corner of Rage and Wrath?

71 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:47:54pm

re: #64 3eff Jeff

I sometimes do. It might be mild tinnitus: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Thanks. I tend to only experience it when really tired.

72 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:48:08pm

re: #69 Max D. Reinhardt

aaaaaand here comes that balance fairy again!

Remember! Colbert and John Sewart preach hate because some guys showed up with scarves lol wut

73 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:48:16pm

re: #68 albusteve

liberals are not sane...common misconception

You must be feeling better. ;)

74 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:48:46pm

re: #72 WindUpBird

aaand here comes that balance fairy again!

Remember! Colbert and John Sewart preach hate because some guys showed up with scarves lol wut

That's not what I said at all.

75 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:49:48pm

re: #69 Max D. Reinhardt

No, he did not, and I never implied that he did. But the type of people that a rally attracts is very telling about its values.

Back in April of 2009, I attended a Tea Party protest. I agreed with their message and I saw no signs of insanity so I attended another one in July, and then came Black September. After the September 12th Taxpayer's March on Washington, I broke ranks with the Tea Partiers. The racism, Red Scare conspiracy theories, and extreme social conservatism repulsed me right out of the movement. I'm more cautious now about the company that I keep. If these are the people that the "Restoring Sanity" rally (and potentially movement) attract than I say... bub eye!

But what happens when the people who hold the rally have a message completely at odds with those of a small portion who show up? After all, Tea Party craziness comes from people who take what the Tea Party considers its actual values and takes them a step further if you can find a connection between what Jon Stewart said or did and "Death to Israel" I am all ears...

76 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:50:03pm

re: #69 Max D. Reinhardt

If these are the people that the "Restoring Sanity" rally (and potentially movement) attract than I say... bub eye!

So if a pro-Israel rally attracts Kahanists with some nasty signs, do you also say "bub eye"?

77 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:50:13pm

Uh, tap, tap, tap. Jon Stewart is a) Jewish and b) very pro-Israel.

78 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:50:15pm

re: #73 Gus 802

You must be feeling better. ;)

fact: for every insane conservative, there is an insane liberal donk...people need to live with it

79 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:51:01pm

re: #70 jamesfirecat

Hater Lane, is that the street right next to Outrage Boulevard that you can reach if you take a left turn off of Rancor Avenue then a right at the corner of Rage and Wrath?

Yep. Rage Street is a major thoroughfare, running for miles in either direction. Wrath Drive dead ends about a half mile south of the intersection at the Butthurt Hotel.

80 William of Orange  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:52:50pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

I think the inclusion of Cat Stevens was a mistake. Other than that, I can't complain about much, I think they really stuck the right tone with the rally.

I don't think Yusuf (Islam, his surname notably left out of the announcement) was the subject of the matter. His song Peace train was in lockstep with the other train-songs, crazy train and love train. But let's be honest, he's just as dangerous a Muslim as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. :-)

81 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:52:57pm

re: #69 Max D. Reinhardt


Back in April of 2009, I attended a Tea Party protest. I agreed with their message and I saw no signs of insanity ...

Back in June, there was an anti-war/anti-Israel rally in San Francisco. I couldn't be there but several members of SFVoice4Israel were present, as were local tea party folk. From what my friends told me, none of the tea party signs were offensive, the tea party folks stood with the pro-Israel side peacefully and didn't evangelize anything to anyone. One of the organizers even made a video of the rally. No, I don't have the link but it is somewhere on YouTube.

So I guess it is possible to find sane tea party people, but then again, perhaps San Francisco is that island out to see that's the exception rather than the rule.

82 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:52:57pm

re: #78 albusteve

fact: for every insane conservative, there is an insane liberal donk...people need to live with it

Well, if you put it in that context then it's a little easier to chew on. Yes, there are extremist crazies on both the left and the right. I don't think many, if any, showed up to this rally. But just saying "liberals are not sane...common misconception" out of the blue is going to raise some eyebrows. Much like if I just posted out of the blue, "conservatives are not sane...common misconception."

83 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:53:06pm

re: #48 jamesfirecat

I'm not disagreeing with you.

However I do want to pose a question.

Do any of you guys think that anything Jon Stewart/the other presenters said had an Anti-Isreal bias to it?

I can't say one way or another because I only heard one word in three...

No, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are not anti-Israel, very far from it. However, the keffiyeh is a well known "pro Palestinian" fashion accessory. What they were doing at the Jon Stewart rally, I have no idea. Were the Westboro Phelps phreaks there too?

84 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:53:12pm

re: #77 Gus 802

Uh, tap, tap, tap. Jon Stewart is a) Jewish and b) very pro-Israel.

Just to play winguts advocate in theory you could say the same thign about Pamela Geller couldn't you?

85 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:53:35pm

re: #77 Gus 802

Uh, tap, tap, tap. Jon Stewart is a) Jewish and b) very pro-Israel.

That's undeniable.

86 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:53:46pm

re: #78 albusteve

fact: for every insane conservative, there is an insane liberal donk...people need to live with it

Wow it's amazing that the numbers work out so evenly like that , polled them yourselves did you?

87 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:53:53pm

re: #84 jamesfirecat

Just to play winguts advocate in theory you could say the same thign about Pamela Geller couldn't you?

Yes.

88 3eff Jeff  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:54:16pm

re: #71 eclectic infidel

Thanks. I tend to only experience it when really tired.

I'm not a doctor, just a guitarist. You might ask your doctor at your next physical, but I wouldn't worry. I tend to hear it when my surroundings are quiet.

89 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:55:04pm

re: #84 jamesfirecat

Just to play winguts advocate in theory you could say the same thign about Pamela Geller couldn't you?

Do you really not know the difference between Jon Stewart and Pamela Geller?

Here's a clue: the President of the United States did not submit a guest article for the Atlas Shrugs blog.

You need to lay off the catnip, kid.

90 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:55:12pm

re: #82 Gus 802

Well, if you put it in that context then it's a little easier to chew on. Yes, there are extremist crazies on both the left and the right. I don't think many, if any, showed up to this rally. But just saying "liberals are not sane...common misconception" out of the blue is going to raise some eyebrows. Much like if I just posted out of the blue, "conservatives are not sane...common misconception."

it wasn't out of the blue, it was in response to some previous stupid hyperbole...the partisan crapolla is too thick to cut with a knife...I just spread it around

91 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:56:00pm
92 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:56:10pm

re: #86 jamesfirecat

Wow it's amazing that the numbers work out so evenly like that , polled them yourselves did you?

you will figure it out someday

93 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:56:11pm

re: #87 Gus 802

Yes.

However to further the case for Jon Stewart I would like to submit the following piece of Evidence, ladies and gentlemen lets take a trip... to the story hole....

94 simoom  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:56:36pm

From what I saw of the rally it was pretty non-partisan. I didn't even hear encouragement to go out and vote. It did have a political message though, which was basically: let's have a more civil political discourse; have a little empathy for your fellow Americans (resist hyperbole and demonizing those you disagree with); and please media, less volume, vitriol and tabloid sensationalism.

95 Batman  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:56:37pm

re: #83 Alouette

No, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are not anti-Israel, very far from it. However, the keffiyeh is a well known "pro Palestinian" fashion accessory. What they were doing at the Jon Stewart rally, I have no idea. Were the Westboro Phelps phreaks there too?

The only reason I could see them being at a "Rally for Sanity" is to speak against the flagrant muslim-hate as of late and that those who wore them don't understand it's been used as an anti-Israel item. But really, isn't it just a normal run-of-the-mill garment for muslims?

96 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:56:44pm

re: #56 Reginald Perrin

Agreed, some of the signs were from members of the Colbert Nation attending the Keep Fear Alive rally and the message of their signs were satirical in nature. Our resident troll who linked to the site seems to have forgotten that the two rallies were combined.

As MinisterO said, the one thing a zealot cannot afford is a sense of proportion. Notice that the resident lap dog updinged the resident troll. I guess he gets bored between updates on the latest stalker blog developments, hauling the trash over here for all of us to smell.

97 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:57:48pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Go fuck yourself.

98 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:57:50pm

re: #90 albusteve

it wasn't out of the blue, it was in response to some previous stupid hyperbole...the partisan crapolla is too thick to cut with a knife...I just spread it around

OK But one person wearing a keffiyeh may not mean much. It's almost attained the level of the Che t-shirt -- that is it become more about fashion than ideology. Of course that may or may not be the case in all instances. And to be honest I was browsing Flickr before and saw a photo of someone wearing one and I did let out a little groan inside.

99 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:58:00pm

re: #76 bratwurst

So if a pro-Israel rally attracts Kahanists with some nasty signs, do you also say "bub eye"?

I've been to pro-Israel rallies with Kahanists. I'm still pro-Israel because some decent people shouted them down.

You know why I left the Tea Party? No one at the 9/12 Taxpayer Rally shouted down the anti-choice loons and the morons screaming "boycott Hollywood and all the Commies."

No one at the "Restoring Sanity' rally shouted down these idiots, or the other stupid causes that these "sane" people were trying to push (pssst. there were groups of pro-lifers pushing anti-choice propaganda; no one shouted them down).

100 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:58:23pm

re: #89 Alouette

Do you really not know the difference between Jon Stewart and Pamela Geller?

Here's a clue: the President of the United States did not submit a guest article for the Atlas Shrugs blog.

You need to lay off the catnip, kid.

I was just pointing out that those two qualifiers on their own don't make someone a good person...

However there are lots of other facts in Jon Stewart's favor like how he uses comedy to make political arguments which he researches in an extremely thurough manner rather than just spouting off blind hate left and right...

101 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:58:48pm

re: #80 William of Orange

But let's be honest, he's just as dangerous a Muslim as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. :-)


Not really. I don't think Kareem ever advocating killing authors who insult Islam. I think the trouble With Cat Steven's comments is that he won't own up to them. He claims he never said it or claims it was satire. If he really had a change of heart he'd simply say that he's changed his mind. Advocating for the death penalty for blasphemy is beyond even the craziest wingnut. His views on the matter are shared by a a disturbingly high number of Muslims living in the West. His mentality is very dangerous.

102 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 6:58:50pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Steve, this article may be worth a read for you:

Death of Rolling Stones guitarist Brian Jones case will not reopen despite new evidence which suggests he was murdered

many people believe he was iced by the workmen there that day...thanks, I booked it...whatever happened, an enormous musical talent went down back then, the likes we have seen few of since

103 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:00:06pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

He claims he never said it or claims it was satire.

A.K.A., the Limbaugh Maneuver.

104 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:00:26pm

re: #99 Max D. Reinhardt

I've been to pro-Israel rallies with Kahanists. I'm still pro-Israel because some decent people shouted them down.

You know why I left the Tea Party? No one at the 9/12 Taxpayer Rally shouted down the anti-choice loons and the morons screaming "boycott Hollywood and all the Commies."

No one at the "Restoring Sanity' rally shouted down these idiots, or the other stupid causes that these "sane" people were trying to push (pssst. there were groups of pro-lifers pushing anti-choice propaganda; no one shouted them down).

Maybe that was because it was a rally about the fact that we could have a civil discourse without needing to shout anyone down no matter how fervently we disagree with their opinions.

Q.E.D.

105 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:01:02pm

re: #95 nonsense

The only reason I could see them being at a "Rally for Sanity" is to speak against the flagrant muslim-hate as of late and that those who wore them don't understand it's been used as an anti-Israel item. But really, isn't it just a normal run-of-the-mill garment for muslims?

Muslims usually wear the keffiyeh on their heads. When non-Muslims wear it, it is meant as a "pro Palestinian" fashion statement. I will concede that there may be some really clueless teenagers who just think it is a "peace scarf" fashion statement.

106 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:02:02pm

re: #104 jamesfirecat

Maybe that was because it was a rally about the fact that we could have a civil discourse without needing to shout anyone down no matter how fervently we disagree with their opinions.

We can have a reasonable discussion about the issues, but extremists of any kind are not reasonable. They drag down the discourse with their vitriol and need to be shouted down.

Just my opinion.

107 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:02:23pm

re: #100 jamesfirecat

I was just pointing out that those two qualifiers on their own don't make someone a good person...

However there are lots of other facts in Jon Stewart's favor like how he uses comedy to make political arguments which he researches in an extremely thurough manner rather than just spouting off blind hate left and right...

Stewart is nobody...even less

108 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:03:43pm

re: #95 nonsense

The only reason I could see them being at a "Rally for Sanity" is to speak against the flagrant muslim-hate as of late and that those who wore them don't understand it's been used as an anti-Israel item. But really, isn't it just a normal run-of-the-mill garment for muslims?

It's no secret that anti-Israel sentiment and leftist thinking walk hand-in-hand. Remember, Israel is branded as the oppressor of the poor, poor Palestinians, who need liberating. This blends well with liberals, who tend to feel very, very sorry for oppressed people. This is all well and good, save for the fact that in the eyes of the liberals who condemn Israel, the Palestinians and Arabs in general can do NO wrong. Hamas isn't seen as the bad guy.

I've witnessed all this first hand. Of course, pictures are worth a thousand words. There is a blog that has actual pictures of what I'm talking about. Google the phrase "san francisco protests anti-israel" and the first two hits will get you to the right place.

109 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:03:56pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

He claims he never said it or claims it was satire.

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

A.K.A., the Limbaugh Maneuver.

BTW, I'm not going for any Magical Balance Fairy with this. Just using it to point out that spewing hate and then later claiming it was satire only fools a fool.

110 joest73  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:04:03pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Poor wingnuts have been rendered humorless.

re: #83 Alouette

No, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are not anti-Israel, very far from it. However, the keffiyeh is a well known "pro Palestinian" fashion accessory. What they were doing at the Jon Stewart rally, I have no idea. Were the Westboro Phelps phreaks there too?

Blame is on a fashion trend started by Rachel Ray.

111 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:04:39pm

re: #110 joest73

re: #83 Alouette

Blame is on a fashion trend started by Rachel Ray.

It wasn't started by Rachel Ray.

112 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:04:58pm

re: #106 Max D. Reinhardt

We can have a reasonable discussion about the issues, but extremists of any kind are not reasonable. They drag down the discourse with their vitriol and need to be shouted down.

Just my opinion.

Well unless you want to start banning articales of clothing, they weren't saying or doing anything, so what were we suppose to shout them down for exactly? The views we think that they hold because of how they dress?

Also the Rally to restore Sanity was a single unfocused event with no direct party backing it, even if most of the attendees were probably Democrats for reasons I'll be perfectly happy to explain if you feel I need to. None the less, it wasn't like Jon Stewart was trying to start his own political party that needs to police itself for radicals...

113 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:05:26pm

Keffiyeh-Gate

/

114 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:05:27pm

re: #110 joest73

re: #83 Alouette

Blame is on a fashion trend started by Rachel Ray.

The keffiyah statement long predates Rachel Ray.

By decades.

115 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:05:32pm

re: #107 albusteve

Stewart is nobody...even less

Then given how he raised a bigger crowd then Glenn Beck I guess the Silver Gofer must be even less than a even less than a nobody... an unperson maybe?

116 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:05:54pm

Doesn't it seem like most people over the age of 15 or so have figured out that it is not really necessary to denigrate anyone or anything that is not strictly to their own taste?

117 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:06:00pm

re: #111 Gus 802

It wasn't started by Rachel Ray.

I was never comfortable with the attacks on her.

118 JeffFX  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:06:11pm

re: #107 albusteve

Stewart is nobody...even less

I understand why you're such an angry person, but it's pretty ugly.

I hope your pain is eased and you find some peace.

119 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:06:31pm

It was a left of center crowd but it was really just a bunch of liberals having fun when it came down to it. I didn't go to hear that right wingers sucked, I went because I wanted to hang out with friends, hear some live music, and enjoy some political humor.

120 Batman  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:06:39pm

re: #105 Alouette

Muslims usually wear the keffiyeh on their heads. When non-Muslims wear it, it is meant as a "pro Palestinian" fashion statement. I will concede that there may be some really clueless teenagers who just think it is a "peace scarf" fashion statement.

I think it's less involved than even that. They simply see that muslims wear it and then decide to wear it themselves to a rally that is meant to mock extreme rhetoric in order to mock the extreme muslim-hate. They likely don't think it means anything; it's just muslim garb to them.re: #108 eclectic infidel

It's no secret that anti-Israel sentiment and leftist thinking walk hand-in-hand. Remember, Israel is branded as the oppressor of the poor, poor Palestinians, who need liberating. This blends well with liberals, who tend to feel very, very sorry for oppressed people. This is all well and good, save for the fact that in the eyes of the liberals who condemn Israel, the Palestinians and Arabs in general can do NO wrong. Hamas isn't seen as the bad guy.

I've witnessed all this first hand. Of course, pictures are worth a thousand words. There is a blog that has actual pictures of what I'm talking about. Google the phrase "san francisco protests anti-israel" and the first two hits will get you to the right place.

I've never met these liberals. The liberals I know simply defend american muslims from racist attempts to persecute them, much like Charles does here. Wearing their garb is likely meant to just piss off people who go nuts over anything muslim. Like all those folks who went apeshit because that one television host wore a scarf in a Dunkin Donuts commercial.

121 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:06:51pm

re: #115 jamesfirecat

Then given how he raised a bigger crowd then Glenn Beck I guess the Silver Gofer must be even less than a even less than a nobody... an unperson maybe?

you want your Woodstock?...look elsewhere...I'm thoroughly unimpressed

122 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:06:51pm

re: #111 Gus 802

It wasn't started by Rachel Ray.

Even some conservatives have dawned the keffiyeh to be trendy. Like Meghan McCain.

123 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:07:36pm

re: #121 albusteve

you want your Woodstock?...look elsewhere...I'm thoroughly unimpressed

We don't need Woodstock, we have far more interesting festivals these days :)

124 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:07:37pm

re: #117 eclectic infidel

I was never comfortable with the attacks on her.

Neither was I. That whole kerfuffle was the beginning of my breaking point. Like I said before relating to the Che shirt.

125 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:07:50pm

re: #118 JeffFX

I understand why you're such an angry person, but it's pretty ugly.

I hope your pain is eased and you find some peace.

hahaha!
rookie

126 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:08:30pm

re: #124 Gus 802

Neither was I. That whole kerfuffle was the beginning of my breaking point. Like I said before relating to the Che shirt.

Stupid is a spectacular and deep chasm.

127 palomino  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:08:51pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Go fuck yourself.

How does this help? You're usually very levelheaded, sort of a mediator between the hotheads. What's this about?

128 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:08:58pm

re: #121 albusteve

you want your Woodstock?...look elsewhere...I'm thoroughly unimpressed

I didn't want a Woodstock, I just wanted a bigger rally then Glenn Beck, and I got it... by somewhere between 3 and 6 times....

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:09:59pm

re: #128 jamesfirecat

I didn't want a Woodstock, I just wanted a bigger rally then Glenn Beck, and I got it... by somewhere between 3 and 6 times...

HOW DARE THEY DO A THING

THERE MUST BE SOME SCARVES OR SOMETHING, SO I CAN CONTINUE TO VOTE REPUBLICAN

130 JeffFX  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:10:06pm

re: #125 albusteve

hahaha!
rookie


When I first started reading this site, there were several angry right-wingers that tended to lower the tone here. You appear to be the only one still doing it. I truly wish you the ability to let go of all your anger.

131 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:10:24pm

Attack the ideas not the person.

132 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:10:30pm

re: #112 jamesfirecat

Well unless you want to start banning articales of clothing, they weren't saying or doing anything, so what were we suppose to shout them down for exactly? The views we think that they hold because of how they dress?

Also the Rally to restore Sanity was a single unfocused event with no direct party backing it, even if most of the attendees were probably Democrats for reasons I'll be perfectly happy to explain if you feel I need to. None the less, it wasn't like Jon Stewart was trying to start his own political party that needs to police itself for radicals...

The thing is James; The Keffiyeh when worn by non-Muslims means one of two things:

1. The wearer is showing "solidarity with the Palestinian people", which means they are anti-Israel.

2. The person is very ignorant and actually think it a symbol of peace.

The second category is often teachable, but when people wearing keffiyehs are around, the place they're at is often where Israel is about to be smeared.

133 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:10:39pm

re: #113 Gus 802

Keffiyeh-Gate

/

It's SCARFPOCALYPSE 2010!!!

134 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:10:47pm

re: #128 jamesfirecat

I didn't want a Woodstock, I just wanted a bigger rally then Glenn Beck, and I got it... by somewhere between 3 and 6 times...

WTF?...what does it mean?...why is this size gig so important to you?...what does it prove?...you got what you want, so what?

135 palomino  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:10:48pm

re: #128 jamesfirecat

I didn't want a Woodstock, I just wanted a bigger rally then Glenn Beck, and I got it... by somewhere between 3 and 6 times...

Problem is, while Stewart and Colbert's fans are laughing, the teabag and Beck crowd is voting, such is their "enthusiasm" over whatever it is they think their message is today.

136 jaunte  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:11:05pm

re: #131 Gus 802

Attack the ideas not the person.

Still waiting on the ideas.

137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:11:20pm

re: #131 Gus 802

Attack the ideas not the person.

Dude. How the fuck am I supposed to sucker-punch an idea?
/

138 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:11:54pm

re: #136 jaunte

Still waiting on the ideas.

Ironic no? Given that this is about the Rally for Sanity. /

139 3eff Jeff  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:11:55pm

re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth

Dude. How the fuck am I supposed to sucker-punch an idea?
/

Very carefully.

140 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:12:18pm

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

The thing is James; The Keffiyeh when worn by non-Muslims means one of two things:

1. The wearer is showing "solidarity with the Palestinian people", which means they are anti-Israel.

2. The person is very ignorant and actually think it a symbol of peace.

The second category is often teachable, but when people wearing keffiyehs are around, the place they're at is often where Israel is about to be smeared.

man, I wish I could read minds like you, because that would be awesome!

141 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:12:27pm

re: #124 Gus 802

Neither was I. That whole kerfuffle was the beginning of my breaking point. Like I said before relating to the Che shirt.

Pop culture and pop culture fashion are remarkably shallow. This ought to be obvious- and perhaps would be if kids were actually taught to think.

Then again, there are adults who believe Tony Manero defined their generation,

142 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:12:37pm

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

The thing is James; The Keffiyeh when worn by non-Muslims means one of two things:

1. The wearer is showing "solidarity with the Palestinian people", which means they are anti-Israel.

2. The person is very ignorant and actually think it a symbol of peace.

The second category is often teachable, but when people wearing keffiyehs are around, the place they're at is often where Israel is about to be smeared.

Was the rally to restore Sanity one of those places?

Or do you think that it being a public event open to anyone had a few people show up who didn't say anything and it would have been counter productive for a rally about the importance of having civil public discourse to throw people out/dispairge them based on what they were wearing when it was not something openly offensive like a Swastika?

143 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:12:39pm

re: #130 JeffFX

When I first started reading this site, there were several angry right-wingers that tended to lower the tone here. You appear to be the only one still doing it. I truly wish you the ability to let go of all your anger.

what do you want, lockstep?...I dish it out as I see fit and I'm not angry about anything....you assume, not good

144 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:12:50pm

Peter Tosh Family Endorses Prop 19 & Just Say Now

145 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:13:03pm

re: #128 jamesfirecat

I didn't want a Woodstock, I just wanted a bigger rally then Glenn Beck, and I got it... by somewhere between 3 and 6 times...

Imagine a 500,000 rally of nothing but Discordians, Pastafarians, Disciples of Bob, SCA adherents, goths, members of the Society of Carcphony, and everyone else who likes to blow bubbles, and eat ice cream, while holding signs that playfully (even lovingly) mock people like Angle, Beck, Palin, O'Donnell, and Paladino.

I could dig that.

146 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:13:08pm

re: #134 albusteve

WTF?...what does it mean?...why is this size gig so important to you?...what does it prove?...you got what you want, so what?

It proves that I have a bigger c***.

147 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:14:10pm

The whole point of the rally if you ask me was to mock people like Beck and the Tea Partiers who take themselves and everything else way too seriously. There was a moment today at the rally where Colbert in character interrupted Cat Stevens' singing Peace Train because he didn't like the idea of a peace train.

148 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:14:54pm

re: #145 eclectic infidel

Imagine a 500,000 rally of nothing but Discordians, Pastafarians, Disciples of Bob, SCA adherents, goths, members of the Society of Carcphony, and everyone else who likes to blow bubbles, and eat ice cream, while holding signs that playfully (even lovingly) mock people like Angle, Beck, Palin, O'Donnell, and Paladino.

I could dig that.

We doubtlessly had at least one Pastafarian. I know that because they (couldn't determine gender) were dressed as the flying Sphagetthi monster itself....

149 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:15:32pm

re: #146 jamesfirecat

It proves that I have a bigger c***.

ooooh!....such an angry, insecure person....maybe Jeff can straighten you out

150 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:16:10pm

re: #148 jamesfirecat

The Great FSM has no gender. It makes it easier to eat that way.

151 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:16:43pm

re: #141 researchok

Pop culture and pop culture fashion are remarkably shallow. This ought to be obvious- and perhaps would be if kids were actually taught to think.

Then again, there are adults who believe Tony Manero defined their generation,

Yep. And never underestimate the ability for people to be shallow. Now, I already said this isn't always the case but in many cases like this it is. There could also be variations in between. For instance one could be "pro-Palestine" per se but at the same time not be pro-Hamas or Hezbollah.

152 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:17:26pm

Wearing Che tshirts, keffiyahs and other fashion 'statements' are things we ought to be proud of here.

In America, you can be an idiot and not even know it.

153 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:18:25pm

re: #127 palomino

How does this help? You're usually very levelheaded, sort of a mediator between the hotheads. What's this about?

With everyone else, that what I do. Goddamnfrank has made it pretty clear that he does not like me. A few months ago I made a comment during a discussion about the death of Pat Tillman where I said that I would have gone along with the cover-up of the friendly fire cause of his death had I been an officer in the Army at the time (I would not have covered it up in the first place, but I'm not the sort who challenges the official version of the story.) He's been pissed at me ever since. He feels that based on that I cannot be trusted.

154 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:18:29pm

re: #105 Alouette

Muslims usually wear the keffiyeh on their heads. When non-Muslims wear it, it is meant as a "pro Palestinian" fashion statement. I will concede that there may be some really clueless teenagers who just think it is a "peace scarf" fashion statement.

If I am recalling correctly, it isn't that it's Muslim garb that's the issue with the keffiyeh.

It's that it's PLO garb.

Not that I think most folks realize the distinction.

155 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:18:30pm

re: #152 researchok

Wearing Che tshirts, keffiyahs and other fashion 'statements' are things we ought to be proud of here.

In America, you can be an idiot and not even know it.

Ha ha ha! Free to be shallow and vapid.

156 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:18:36pm

re: #152 researchok

Wearing Che tshirts, keffiyahs and other fashion 'statements' are things we ought to be proud of here.

In America, you can be an idiot and not even know it.

then what's wrong with promoting swazikas and Hitler?

157 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:18:50pm

re: #151 Gus 802

Yep. And never underestimate the ability for people to be shallow. Now, I already said this isn't always the case but in many cases like this it is. There could also be variations in between. For instance one could be "pro-Palestine" per se but at the same time not be pro-Hamas or Hezbollah.

Shades of gray??

Don't go there- people might start to believe John Stewart has something valuable to say.
/

158 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:19:04pm

re: #156 albusteve

then what's wrong with promoting swazikas and Hitler?

Godwin

159 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:19:47pm

re: #158 Gus 802

Godwin

not a good answer

160 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:19:49pm

re: #156 albusteve

then what's wrong with promoting swazikas and Hitler?

Nothing is wrong- people are free to be as stupid as they wish.

Others are just as free to point that out and humiliate them.

161 Batman  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:20:04pm

I should note that I don't condone any anti-Israel hate, nor do I doubt it exists on the left. But most americans aren't even aware of what wearing green or orange means in relation to the crisis in Ireland. That doesn't stop them from wearing it on Saint Patrick's day, or probably while on vacation in Ireland.

They're just as likely to be wearing keffiyehs as a new symbolism of solidarity with american muslims and their constitutional rights at a Rally to Restore Sanity as they are to be wearing them as an anti-Israel gesture. If I recall correctly, counter-protestors at the "Ground Zero Mosque" purposely dressed as muslims, or muslim-ish, to piss off the protestors, and this rally has much the same purpose and humor as the counter-protests (which weren't at all meant to speak on the Israel-Palestine conflict, but rather american rights).

162 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:20:04pm

re: #159 albusteve

not a good answer

I thought it was.

163 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:20:11pm

re: #152 researchok

Wearing Che tshirts, keffiyahs and other fashion 'statements' are things we ought to be proud of here.

In America, you can be an idiot and not even know it.

The Freedom to Be Stupid is, in my opinion, one of the most beautiful things about America, but the freedom to shout them down is even more so.

164 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:20:20pm

re: #152 researchok

Wearing Che tshirts, keffiyahs and other fashion 'statements' are things we ought to be proud of here.

In America, you can be an idiot and not even know it.

Please, the Che tshirt isn't being an idiot.

The Che Shirt is the ultimate way of pissing on the idea of communism.

"You say you have this great communist revolutionary? Well I bet I can put his face on a T-Shirt and sell it to people for $20 when a blank shirt would cost them $10!"

So long as we have our merchandise captialism can never fall....

165 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:20:49pm

re: #148 jamesfirecat

We doubtlessly had at least one Pastafarian. I know that because they (couldn't determine gender) were dressed as the flying Sphagetthi monster itself...

Speaking of that, I really should eat the last of the frozen pesto sauce.

166 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:21:02pm

re: #163 Max D. Reinhardt

The Freedom to Be Stupid is, in my opinion, one of the most beautiful things about America, but the freedom to shout them down is even more so.

You said you were there. Did you shout at them?

167 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:21:11pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

With everyone else, that what I do. Goddamnfrank has made it pretty clear that he does not like me. A few months ago I made a comment during a discussion about the death of Pat Tillman where I said that I would have gone along with the cover-up of the friendly fire cause of his death had I been an officer in the Army at the time (I would not have covered it up in the first place, but I'm not the sort who challenges the official version of the story.) He's been pissed at me ever since. He feels that based on that I cannot be trusted.

Dark didn't you say that you would have covered it up if you had been in the place of the army at the time because people needed a hero/ a story they could relate to?

168 Reginald Perrin  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:21:17pm

re: #162 Gus 802

I thought it was.

So did I.

169 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:21:38pm

re: #162 Gus 802

I thought it was.

okay then...it's just that evil is relevant even expressed in 'fashion'

170 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:21:38pm

re: #161 nonsense

I should note that I don't condone any anti-Israel hate, nor do I doubt it exists on the left. But most americans aren't even aware of what wearing green or orange means in relation to the crisis in Ireland. That doesn't stop them from wearing it on Saint Patrick's day, or probably while on vacation in Ireland.

They're just as likely to be wearing keffiyehs as a new symbolism of solidarity with american muslims and their constitutional rights at a Rally to Restore Sanity as they are to be wearing them as an anti-Israel gesture. If I recall correctly, counter-protestors at the "Ground Zero Mosque" purposely dressed as muslims, or muslim-ish, to piss off the protestors, and this rally has much the same purpose and humor as the counter-protests (which weren't at all meant to speak on the Israel-Palestine conflict, but rather american rights).

God bless you.

I don't know what you are smoking but Prop 19 has a better chance of passing now.
/

171 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:21:49pm

re: #164 jamesfirecat

Please, the Che tshirt isn't being an idiot.

The Che Shirt is the ultimate way of pissing on the idea of communism.

"You say you have this great communist revolutionary? Well I bet I can put his face on a T-Shirt and sell it to people for $20 when a blank shirt would cost them $10!"

So long as we have our merchandise captialism can never fall...

Someone should make an Enver Hoxha shirt. I would wear that simply to be ironic. The Onion has a shirt on its website that is a shirt with a photograph imposed of che wearing a che shirt. It's easily on my list of shirts I want to buy when I get more cash flowing in.

172 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:22:13pm

re: #164 jamesfirecat

Funny, but you give too much credit to idiots who wear the image of a scumbag.

173 joest73  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:22:14pm

re: #107 albusteve

Stewart is nobody...even less

I know some younger (under 30re: #122 Max D. Reinhardt

Even some conservatives have dawned the keffiyeh to be trendy. Like Meghan McCain.

people that watch the Daily show that don't watch or listen to the right wing or left wing shows. Stewart and Colbert do have a big non-political audience.

Yea...but...did Meghan McCain have any clue....like....um....what it was?

174 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:22:21pm

re: #161 nonsense

They're just as likely to be wearing keffiyehs as a new symbolism of solidarity with american muslims and their constitutional rights at a Rally to Restore Sanity

Actually, that's a good point. And James can attest to the fact there were a lot of Muslims at the rally hoping to repel the anti-Muslim bigotry that became popularized during the Park51 non-issue.

175 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:22:37pm

re: #169 albusteve

okay then...it's just that evil is relevant even expressed in 'fashion'

I think there are levels of evil. Yes, Che was evil. But I can't and won't compare him to the evil of Hitler and the 3rd Reich.

176 William of Orange  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:22:38pm

Damn! I missed my party....

177 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:22:39pm

re: #157 researchok

Shades of gray??

Don't go there- people might start to believe John Stewart has something valuable to say.
/

Well, a Touch of Grey at least...

178 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:23:13pm

re: #164 jamesfirecat

Please, the Che tshirt isn't being an idiot.

The Che Shirt is the ultimate way of pissing on the idea of communism.

"You say you have this great communist revolutionary? Well I bet I can put his face on a T-Shirt and sell it to people for $20 when a blank shirt would cost them $10!"

So long as we have our merchandise captialism can never fall...

That was a painful upding, but deserved.

179 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:23:52pm

re: #175 Gus 802

I think there are levels of evil. Yes, Che was evil. But I can't and won't compare him to the evil of Hitler and the 3rd Reich.

conceded

180 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:24:04pm

re: #175 Gus 802

I think there are levels of evil. Yes, Che was evil. But I can't and won't compare him to the evil of Hitler and the 3rd Reich.

Good thing he died young.

Seriously.

181 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:24:33pm

re: #174 Max D. Reinhardt

Actually, that's a good point. And James can attest to the fact there were a lot of Muslims at the rally hoping to repel the anti-Muslim bigotry that became popularized during the Park51 non-issue.

Actually I can't attest to that fact.

I can't tell people's religion just by looking at them....

182 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:24:43pm

re: #179 albusteve

conceded

Drink! :)

183 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:24:55pm

re: #176 William of Orange

Damn! I missed my party...

Get sidetracked by a Bulldog Cafe, did we?
/

184 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:25:07pm

re: #182 Gus 802

Drink! :)

heh....remember those days?

185 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:25:18pm

re: #166 Gus 802

You said you were there. Did you shout at them?

In my own way...

I regret not exercising my freedom with the "I'm Palestinian and I want my country back" moron.

186 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:25:27pm

re: #167 jamesfirecat

Dark didn't you say that you would have covered it up if you had been in the place of the army at the time because people needed a hero/ a story they could relate to?

I did. I've thought about it a bit more and no longer hold that part of the position.

187 joest73  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:25:50pm

re: #173 joest73

Sorry for flubbing two replies together...kid woke up and threw up in bed.

188 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:26:44pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

I did. I've thought about it a bit more and no longer hold that part of the position.

I'm glad to hear it.

It demeans the American people and the American democracy/support of our troops to think that the people back home need to have their hands held and sweet propaganda whispered in our ear rather than the cold sometimes cruel truth be told to us about how our wars are going on.

When doing so doesn't endanger the troops obviously...

189 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:27:04pm

re: #187 joest73

Sorry for flubbing two replies together...kid woke up and threw up in bed.

Oh my. Is he/she alright?

190 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:27:52pm

re: #185 Max D. Reinhardt

In my own way...

I regret not exercising my freedom with the "I'm Palestinian and I want my country back" moron.

I've gone to only two protests in my life. I went to the anti-Gulf War protest in San Francisco one. I saw some things I didn't like or agree with. I just mumbled to myself. I held up my sign which had "No Oil War" on one side and "Support our Troops" on the other. I'm sure some folks wanted to yell at me.

191 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:28:38pm

There are two bars that offer dance lessons in the East Bay: The Starry Plough, and the Ashkenaz (what I affectionately call the commie bar to select friends). Both places have a large banner up of the face of Che. The guy is seen as a liberator. Without doubt, kids put on the shirt because it's either a fashion statement or they don't know any better. Does this mean I won't take dance lessons at Ashkenaz? No. I'm just saying that here in the Bay Area, at certain events like rallies, odds are, wearing the shirt isn't a mere fashion statement. You mileage may vary.

192 irving  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:28:43pm

I'm boggled by the idea that wearing a keffiyeh is somehow evil. I've worn it several times before and never had a political thought enter my head. In fact, I'm pretty sure you'll see our troops in Afghanistan wearing it regularly for more or less the same reason I wore it: it's a terrifically comfy and useful hat. Especially in hot weather.

Can someone explain why a black and white scarf with a cord around your head is innately evil? It really puzzles me. If it's a symbol of Arab solidarity, then it's a really subtle and unimpressive one, especially if you're in a big field where people are waving signs to express things.

Or maybe, just perhaps, you're reading a touch too much into this? And thereby indulging in some of the lazy, unpleasant rhetoric that was being protested against at this rally?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And often, a hat is just a hat.

193 JeffFX  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:29:12pm

re: #143 albusteve

what do you want, lockstep?...I dish it out as I see fit and I'm not angry about anything...you assume, not good

I certainly don't want lockstep, or I wouldn't be here.

You tend to be nasty to people, so I assume anger, and know for a fact that you have to deal with a lot of pain.

I've been in chronic pain so bad I couldn't move for weeks at a time, and know what it can do to a person. I can't imagine being in your situation, and think I would probably be nasty to people too if I had the personal challenge you do.

I don't know that I could get through what you're going through, and consider you a very strong person, but wish I didn't have to see you lash out at people.

Be a creep if you want. Doesn't break my arm or pick my pocket, but it is unpleasant to see.

194 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:29:24pm

re: #190 Gus 802

I've gone to only two protests in my life. I went to the anti-Gulf War protest in San Francisco one. I saw some things I didn't like or agree with. I just mumbled to myself. I held up my sign which had "No Oil War" on one side and "Support our Troops" on the other. I'm sure some folks wanted to yell at me.

I would've. :)

195 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:30:26pm

re: #194 Max D. Reinhardt

I would've. :)

Hey. I'm like Hitchens in that regard. I now support the Gulf War. Go figure.

196 joest73  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:30:48pm

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

Oh my. Is he/she alright?

Yep...he should be fine for trick or treat tomorrow night. He is my 7-year old Luigi tomorrow night. Now I got to stop having those physcosomatic stomach pains.

197 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:31:02pm

re: #193 JeffFX

I certainly don't want lockstep, or I wouldn't be here.

You tend to be nasty to people, so I assume anger, and know for a fact that you have to deal with a lot of pain.

I've been in chronic pain so bad I couldn't move for weeks at a time, and know what it can do to a person. I can't imagine being in your situation, and think I would probably be nasty to people too if I had the personal challenge you do.

I don't know that I could get through what you're going through, and consider you a very strong person, but wish I didn't have to see you lash out at people.

Be a creep if you want. Doesn't break my arm or pick my pocket, but it is unpleasant to see.

I'm not lashing out at anybody...not even you, altho you deserve it with your name calling

198 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:31:11pm

re: #195 Gus 802

Hey. I'm like Hitchens in that regard. I now support the Gulf War. Go figure.

Feels good to break ranks with the loony tunes doesn't it. I know the feeling.

199 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:32:08pm

re: #193 JeffFX

I admire anyone willing to take the internet high road, but I think you would make more progress talking to a wall in this case.

200 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:32:18pm

It's funny the reason why I stopped going to anti war rallies in the first place was because I was fed up with their credit. In 2005, I had become really interested in the Sudan issue and I remember being infuriated that the anti war rally I went to sponsored by ANSWER said more about how Mumia Al-Jamal is a political prisoner than doing something about that genocide. I never really liked ANSWER much anyhow. Yes, I disagreed with the Iraq War but I have no love for a group sponsored by a party that supported the Soviets invasion of Hungary in 56 because the Soviets didn't like the Hungarians trying to protect their national sovereignty and my favorite given tehir opposition to our presence in Afghansitan is they actually supported the Soviet invasion in teh late 70's.

201 palomino  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:33:50pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

With everyone else, that what I do. Goddamnfrank has made it pretty clear that he does not like me. A few months ago I made a comment during a discussion about the death of Pat Tillman where I said that I would have gone along with the cover-up of the friendly fire cause of his death had I been an officer in the Army at the time (I would not have covered it up in the first place, but I'm not the sort who challenges the official version of the story.) He's been pissed at me ever since. He feels that based on that I cannot be trusted.

Fair enough. When it becomes personal, things do change, including the rhetoric.

Like I said, you're usually very even keeled, and I hope it stays that way because the blog needs as much of that as possible given the kind of growing acrimony I think most of us sense in lots of places.

After all, one of the reasons I enjoy reading this blog is the rational, thoughtful and respectful comments from people like you (even though I think half of your policy positions are focacta, no offense intended).

202 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:34:03pm

re: #192 irving

It's not evil. At rallies that are anti-Israel in nature, the scarf is worn by both Arab and non-Arab to show unity of their hatred of Israel.

In another setting, it could easily be just an accessory to match ones shoes.

Now maybe at rallies there are Arabs who wear it to demonstrate their unity with other Arabs; of course, I'd have no way of knowing that if they're standing next to other Arabs screaming slurs at us from across the street.

203 freetoken  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:34:30pm

Genie Scott on science education, the NCSE, and climate change:

204 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:35:08pm

re: #129 WindUpBird

HOW DARE THEY DO A THING

THERE MUST BE SOME SCARVES OR SOMETHING, SO I CAN CONTINUE TO VOTE REPUBLICAN

You can babble on about scarves and Republicans all you want.

At one time, not so much right now, but at one time, the keffiyeh was a PLO symbol, and those who wore it did so to show solidarity with Palestinians and were indeed anti-Israel.

It seems lately to be simply nothing more than a fashion accessory.

If you would quit babbling silly things, you might learn something that could, just might, contribute to your understanding of how other people see things. Like, for instance, many of the Jews here on this board.

Or, you can just continue to babble on, content in your own ignorance. You can choose.

205 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:35:32pm

re: #198 Max D. Reinhardt

Feels good to break ranks with the loony tunes doesn't it. I know the feeling.

That was the motivation behind me putting "Support our Troops" on one side. I was against war on an academic level but wanted to set myself apart. Later of course I realized that we couldn't very well have let Iraq invade Kuwait and go unchecked. And it wasn't completely an oil war. If it was I don't care because it was good that we chased the Iraqis out of Kuwait. While Kuwait isn't exactly a free state it was certainly a more free state then one under Saddam Hussein.

206 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:35:36pm

re: #199 bratwurst

I admire anyone willing to take the internet high road, but I think you would make more progress talking to a wall in this case.

and resist name calling, don't you think?....it ain't civil

207 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:35:55pm

re: #202 eclectic infidel

It's not evil. At rallies that are anti-Israel in nature, the scarf is worn by both Arab and non-Arab to show unity of their hatred of Israel.

In another setting, it could easily be just an accessory to match ones shoes.

Now maybe at rallies there are Arabs who wear it to demonstrate their unity with other Arabs; of course, I'd have no way of knowing that if they're standing next to other Arabs screaming slurs at us from across the street.

Now with respect to the rally in question, I don't know. Maybe it was worn to show unity with other Arabs.

208 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:37:12pm

re: #192 irving

Can someone explain why a black and white scarf with a cord around your head is innately evil? It really puzzles me. If it's a symbol of Arab solidarity, then it's a really subtle and unimpressive one, especially if you're in a big field where people are waving signs to express things.

For the same reason there are those who are only too happy to equate the Star of David with the swastika.

Welcome to the real world.

209 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:38:25pm

re: #207 eclectic infidel

Now with respect to the rally in question, I don't know. Maybe it was worn to show unity with other Arabs.

who themselves are hardly unified...how ironic

210 JeffFX  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:39:35pm

re: #199 bratwurst

I admire anyone willing to take the internet high road, but I think you would make more progress talking to a wall in this case.

LGF helped me lose my anger. I was pretty awful when I found this place. I guess I'm just trying and failing to pass that along.

Still, I have a recovering sick cat purring happily on my chest, and life is good.

211 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:40:11pm

And here's something interesting:
The Last Keffiyeh Factory in Palestine.

Seems they're mostly made in China these days (and are therefore cheaper).

Originating in ancient Mesopotamia, the Keffiyah was popular among Arab men who used it to protect their face, head, and neck from the elements of nature. The traditional pattern, which is still used today in Palestine and other Arab Nations, was modeled after fishing nets and ears of grain. During the Arab Revolt in the 1930s, the keffiyah became a symbol of Palestinian nationalism and in the 1980s Yasser Arafat made the keffiyah a globally recognized symbol of the Palestinian struggle. Today, cheaper imports of the keffiyah from China threaten an already troubled industry. Rebecca Fudala takes a look inside the last keffiyah factory in Palestine.
212 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:40:17pm

re: #210 JeffFX

LGF helped me lose my anger. I was pretty awful when I found this place. I guess I'm just trying and failing to pass that along.

Still, I have a recovering sick cat purring happily on my chest, and life is good.

You just had to mention the cat.

//

213 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:41:04pm

re: #211 reine.de.tout

And here's something interesting:
The Last Keffiyeh Factory in Palestine.

Seems they're mostly made in China these days (and are therefore cheaper).

What isn't these days?

(Made in China because its cheaper)

214 Lidane  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:41:23pm

re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth

This. Man. Is. AWESOME!!!

Someone buy him a beer.

Pfft. Buy that man a top shelf bottle of his favorite booze. Not only is he a WWII vet, but he's awesome enough to make a sign like that and go to the Stewart/Colbert rally. That rules.

215 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:41:41pm

re: #211 reine.de.tout

And here's something interesting:
The Last Keffiyeh Factory in Palestine.

Seems they're mostly made in China these days (and are therefore cheaper).

Like American flags. Irony.

216 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:42:16pm

re: #210 JeffFX

LGF helped me lose my anger. I was pretty awful when I found this place. I guess I'm just trying and failing to pass that along.

Still, I have a recovering sick cat purring happily on my chest, and life is good.

but yet you still project unto others, and you justify your presumptions and name calling from your own short experience here?....good one

217 3eff Jeff  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:43:02pm

re: #213 jamesfirecat

What isn't these days?

(Made in China because its cheaper)

I'm considering outsourcing my blog comments. //

218 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:43:24pm

re: #215 Gus 802

Like American flags. Irony.

They photo has all sorts of colors and patterns, not the black/white pattern usually associated with Arafat and the PLO.

Today, it is a fashion accessory. I have some solid (not patterned) scarves, myself, that resemble those in the photo. Probably made in China, LOL, at the same factory.

219 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:43:24pm

re: #215 Gus 802

Like American flags. Irony.

Easy Rider?

220 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:44:01pm

I'm guessing the politics of falafel and hummus will be the next topic.

221 Max  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:44:03pm

John Podhoretz packs a powerful punch on Twitter:

The problem with the logic behind the rally today is that it is an act of sanity to be fearful, given the state of things in 2010.

222 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:45:34pm

re: #221 Max D. Reinhardt

John Podhoretz packs a powerful punch on Twitter:

Well that's why it was the Rally to restore sanity and fear at the same time!

223 JeffFX  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:45:35pm

re: #212 researchok

You just had to mention the cat.

//

Did I ruin everything forever? I really hate when that happens.

224 Irving  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:46:09pm

re: #208 researchok

Offhand, I'd say that says a lot more about the people doing the equating than the people wearing the item in question, doesn't it?

It's when people whip out comments like "it's an evil garment" that I get puzzled. A star of David? A swastika? Yeah, I get that those symbols make a statement. But an eminently practical hat? Evil? What, does it slither off the bedpost at night and strangle kittens in its tassels or something?

Dude. It's a scarf. Rachel Ray wore it because it looked nice and the fabric's a good all-weather weight. It sure would be a nifty thing if keffiyehs were innately evil, because then we could burn them in job lots and make the world better. But it ain't that easy by a long shot. Evil isn't that easy to spot.

225 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:46:11pm

re: #221 Max D. Reinhardt

John Podhoretz packs a powerful punch on Twitter:

Fear is a necessary component of a healthy life.

The thing is, you have to fear the right things in the right proportions.

226 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:46:24pm

re: #218 reine.de.tout

They photo has all sorts of colors and patterns, not the black/white pattern usually associated with Arafat and the PLO.

Today, it is a fashion accessory. I have some solid (not patterned) scarves, myself, that resemble those in the photo. Probably made in China, LOL, at the same factory.

Is that right? I think my ex-gf has one like that. Wasn't anything political at all.

227 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:46:36pm

Pusherman....
get some

228 Lidane  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:47:12pm

re: #14 joest73

Here are a few rather mild signs here.

OK. There is no reason for the sixth sign to be on that page. It's the one with the guy holding a cardboard sign that says "Fear This!" with a little alien on it.

That little alien is the logo for Reddit. I have no idea what the hell the point of that sign is, unless he's suggesting that people should fear a content aggregator site.

229 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:47:57pm

re: #224 Irving

Offhand, I'd say that says a lot more about the people doing the equating than the people wearing the item in question, doesn't it?

It's when people whip out comments like "it's an evil garment" that I get puzzled. A star of David? A swastika? Yeah, I get that those symbols make a statement. But an eminently practical hat? Evil? What, does it slither off the bedpost at night and strangle kittens in its tassels or something?

Dude. It's a scarf. Rachel Ray wore it because it looked nice and the fabric's a good all-weather weight. It sure would be a nifty thing if keffiyehs were innately evil, because then we could burn them in job lots and make the world better. But it ain't that easy by a long shot. Evil isn't that easy to spot.

As I noted earlier, anyone can wear whatever they want.

If you are happy wearing an article of clothing that by all accounts is a political statement, may the force be with you.

230 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:48:32pm

re: #211 reine.de.tout

And here's something interesting:
The Last Keffiyeh Factory in Palestine.

Seems they're mostly made in China these days (and are therefore cheaper).

The Palestinians have another type of scarf they wear at Hamas rallies, a scarf that is made to resemble a Jewish prayer shawl.

231 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:48:45pm

I love it when a plan comes together.

Rush - Closer To The Heart

232 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:49:18pm

re: #226 Gus 802

Is that right? I think my ex-gf has one like that. Wasn't anything political at all.

I think it's the black and white keffiyah that people respond to.

233 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:49:19pm

re: #229 researchok

As I noted earlier, anyone can wear whatever they want.

If you are happy wearing an article of clothing that by all accounts is a political statement, may the force be with you.

context missing....typical of the Y strain

234 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:51:08pm

re: #233 albusteve

context missing...typical of the Y strain

Guilty as charged.

235 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:51:15pm

re: #226 Gus 802

Is that right? I think my ex-gf has one like that. Wasn't anything political at all.

For most folks, it was not anything political.
Depends on where you see it, I would think.

At an anti-Israel rally?
It's a political statement.

At this rally?
Probably most were wearing it as a fashion accessory to keep their necks warm.

236 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:51:38pm

re: #231 Gus 802

I love it when a plan comes together.

Rush - Closer To The Heart


[Video]

she has a terrific voice...what's her name again?

237 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:51:59pm

re: #233 albusteve

Hey, nice to "see" you back.
Best wishes!

238 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:52:23pm

re: #235 reine.de.tout

For most folks, it was not anything political.
Depends on where you see it, I would think.

At an anti-Israel rally?
It's a political statement.

At this rally?
Probably most were wearing it as a fashion accessory to keep their necks warm.

Would definitely have to lean towards fashion accessory here. It was a pretty cold day really. Clear skies and all but pretty chilly out.

239 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:52:30pm

re: #232 researchok

I think it's the black and white keffiyah that people respond to.

Right. I can understand though. I remember once seeing a bumper sticker that read, "hungry, eat an environmentalist." I was taken aback. Then my brother met this guy that said "if I ever meet an atheist I'm going to shoot him." This was back in my teens. I was floored.

240 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:52:36pm

re: #223 JeffFX

Did I ruin everything forever? I really hate when that happens.

For Eternity.

//

241 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:52:44pm

re: #236 albusteve

she has a terrific voice...what's her name again?

Thwack! /

242 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:52:54pm

re: #230 Alouette

The Palestinians have another type of scarf they wear at Hamas rallies, a scarf that is made to resemble a Jewish prayer shawl.

There's that black/white pattern again
How long has this been around?
Honestly, I don't see the keffiyeh much anymore in photos of Palestinians.
Has this shawl taken over as their nationalist symbol?

243 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:53:06pm

re: #235 reine.de.tout

For most folks, it was not anything political.
Depends on where you see it, I would think.

At an anti-Israel rally?
It's a political statement.

At this rally?
Probably most were wearing it as a fashion accessory to keep their necks warm.

Terror teen chic

244 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:53:15pm

re: #237 Floral Giraffe

Hey, nice to "see" you back.
Best wishes!

thanks....and just for me

245 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:54:07pm

re: #236 albusteve

Heya Steve

246 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:54:42pm

re: #242 reine.de.tout

There's that black/white pattern again
How long has this been around?
Honestly, I don't see the keffiyeh much anymore in photos of Palestinians.
Has this shawl taken over as their nationalist symbol?

I think the balaclava (ski mask) has, even though there are no ski slopes in Gaza.

247 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:55:25pm

Hey. At least the anarchists didn't show up.

//

248 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:55:56pm

re: #242 reine.de.tout

I think it's "chic" like a Che t-shirt is "chic" by people who don't know what it means. *waves*

249 JamesWI  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:56:02pm

Not that .... size matters .... but CBS estimate came in - 215,000.

Eat it, Beck.

250 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:56:12pm

re: #246 Alouette

I think the balaclava (ski mask) has, even though there are no ski slopes in Gaza.

ah.
Yes.
I wonder if there's a reason they wish to keep their faces hidden?

251 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:56:27pm

re: #245 sattv4u2

Heya Steve

sup bro?....and don't say it

252 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:56:39pm

re: #239 Gus 802

Right. I can understand though. I remember once seeing a bumper sticker that read, "hungry, eat an environmentalist." I was taken aback. Then my brother met this guy that said "if I ever meet an atheist I'm going to shoot him." This was back in my teens. I was floored.

Actually, in the smaller world we live in, everything has a context- everything.

We live in dangerous times.

When you said earlier on you were tired and ready to give up (paraphrase), you struck a chord with me and a lot of others I suspect.

Stewart was right about a whole lot of things today- especially the ones that made people uncomfortable- whoever they were and whatever their politics.

253 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:57:26pm

re: #250 reine.de.tout

ah.
Yes.
I wonder if there's a reason they wish to keep their faces hidden?

balaclava- very high SPF factor?
/

254 joest73  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:57:29pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Would definitely have to lean towards fashion accessory here. It was a pretty cold day really. Clear skies and all but pretty chilly out.

Maybe someone was making a few bucks selling them on a street corner.

255 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:57:33pm

re: #248 Floral Giraffe

I think it's "chic" like a Che t-shirt is "chic" by people who don't know what it means. *waves*

{FLO}
Hey.
Yes, I agree.
Again, though - look at the article I posted -most of these are made these days in China. When I looked at the photo at the link, I saw some scarves that looked like a few I just picked up, myself. Probably made at that same Chinese factory.

256 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:57:47pm

re: #214 Lidane

Pfft. Buy that man a top shelf bottle of his favorite booze. Not only is he a WWII vet, but he's awesome enough to make a sign like that and go to the Stewart/Colbert rally. That rules.

Of course you're right. My bad. Throw in a few of his favorite cigars while we're at it.

257 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:57:53pm

re: #251 albusteve

sup bro?...and don't say it

:)

258 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:57:58pm

re: #210 JeffFX

LGF helped me lose my anger. I was pretty awful when I found this place. I guess I'm just trying and failing to pass that along.

Still, I have a recovering sick cat purring happily on my chest, and life is good.

I do need to let you know that your first post about that cat ended up on Rodan's (a nutcase who hates LGF) "Diary of Daedalus Dorkus" where the Stalkers attacked you. Just a heads-up.

259 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:58:00pm

re: #253 researchok

balaclava- very high SPF factor?
/

Or a way to hide your boner on chat roullet so you don't get blocked by their filtering system...

260 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:58:45pm

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

I do need to let you know that your first post about that cat ended up on Rodan's (a nutcase who hates LGF) "Diary of Daedalus Dorkus" where the Stalkers attacked you. Just a heads-up.

Wow if he can get them that pissed off at him that quickly he must be doing something right....

261 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 7:59:32pm

re: #254 joest73

Maybe someone was making a few bucks selling them on a street corner.

Could have been. Rallies are always good economic opportunies for people selling shit.

262 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:00:12pm

re: #257 sattv4u2

:)

wait'll next year

263 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:00:16pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

Could have been. Rallies are always good economic opportunies for people selling shit.

Just don't eat the brown acid!

264 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:00:45pm

Well, as this has played out:

It seems to me the keffiyeh has gone from PLO symbol (just a very few years ago) to fashion accessory because of an attractive pattern and/or colors (now), and it appears that at some point after it became a fashion accessory, the Palenstinians went searching for a new symbol - full ski mask.

How are the skiers gonna deal with that one?

265 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:01:04pm

re: #262 albusteve

wait'll next year

If you want, I'll make room for you on the New England Patriots bandwagon for the rest of the year!

266 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:01:10pm

re: #263 sattv4u2

Just don't eat the brown acid!

Damn tourists will eat anything :).

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:01:21pm

re: #27 Max D. Reinhardt

Hipsters do use the keffiyeh as a way to "rebel" against the establishment (America's staunch support of Israel), but it is a very foolish trend. That scarf is the symbol of the Intifada, the senseless murder of Israelis by Palestinian terrorists, and of Arafat's betrayal of Israeli trust.

It is an evil garment.

It's not evil, when worn by elderly Jordanian men to keep their heads cool.

On a Scots-Irish twenty-something at a rally, I have some issues.

268 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:01:44pm

re: #260 jamesfirecat

Wow if he can get them that pissed off at him that quickly he must be doing something right...

There are a couple over there who go out of their way to find something, anything, to keep the LGF hate on, to keep the minions stoked up to proper hate level.

269 Lidane  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:01:55pm

re: #221 Max D. Reinhardt

I'm not seeing the logic of JPod's tweet, to be honest.

Yes, the economy sucks. My own personal economy has crashed and burned hard because I'm in a daytime MBA program that keeps me from working, forcing me to rely entirely on federal student loans to live. On top of that, I spent the week before grad school taking over all of my mother's affairs via powers of attorney because she can't do it herself anymore.

I've had more stress in the last three months than I have in the previous ten years. I'm still not afraid, in spite of the state of things. I could be. It would be really easy to freak out over my life and have a breakdown. I'm not going to, though. I'd rather just face things head on and work through them. Life is much more productive that way.

270 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:02:07pm

re: #260 jamesfirecat

Wow if he can get them that pissed off at him that quickly he must be doing something right...

True that.

271 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:02:15pm

re: #248 Floral Giraffe

I think it's "chic" like a Che t-shirt is "chic" by people who don't know what it means. *waves*

Hi you! didn't get a tik for tonight's game..But winston is going crazy...82,000 people cheering two blocks away and lord knows how many are tailgating in the neighborhood.. It's half time and we are kicking ass...
Hope you are doing well my friend...

272 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:02:23pm

re: #255 reine.de.tout

EVERYTHING is made in China. It's a function of the labor rates.
There's an interesting book, by a family who spent a year TRYING not to buy made in China.
'Twas very hard!
Amazon linky
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

273 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:02:33pm

re: #265 sattv4u2

If you want, I'll make room for you on the New England Patriots bandwagon for the rest of the year!

of course Brady is a U of M grad....who are getting tromped again....otherwise, no thanks

274 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:02:59pm

re: #262 albusteve

wait'll next year

Cowboys fan, meet Cubs fan. [extends open hand]

275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:03:01pm

Remember that stupid movie about the girl who jumps off of the lifeboat and back onto the sinking ship just to be with her girly boyfriend?

It's on.

276 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:03:24pm

re: #46 eclectic infidel

It's usually worn as a scarf and the pattern is distinctive, comprised entirely of black and white. Pro-Israel supporters have been known to wear a similar patterned scarf, but in colors of light blue and white. I've been to close to 20 rallies in San Francisco and both the Arabs and their clueless non-Arab lefty allies don the scarf as a message of hate.

Ain't nothin' like the sight of a non-Arab white girl with a khaffieh wrapped across her face, a la stone-throwing yoot, screaming hate on the streets of San Francisco.

277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:03:36pm

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

Me want new coach!

278 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:03:50pm

Is it the politics of falafel and hummus discussion time yet?

279 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:04:05pm

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

Cowboys fan, meet Cubs fan. [extends open hand]

RON SANTO!

280 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:04:24pm

re: #271 HoosierHoops

What's the score?
Your team winning?

281 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:04:25pm

re: #275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Remember that stupid movie about the girl who jumps off of the lifeboat and back onto the sinking ship just to be with her girly boyfriend?

It's on.

Hah, so funny you bring that up since my friend signed me up for "My Heart Will Go On" as a joke last night at karaoke. I was deliberately hitting the high notes on purpose.

282 jaunte  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:04:25pm

re: #278 researchok

Anyone who wears them on the outside is doing it wrong.

283 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:04:43pm

re: #252 researchok

Actually, in the smaller world we live in, everything has a context- everything.

We live in dangerous times.

When you said earlier on you were tired and ready to give up (paraphrase), you struck a chord with me and a lot of others I suspect.

Stewart was right about a whole lot of things today- especially the ones that made people uncomfortable- whoever they were and whatever their politics.

Yes. And Stewart is right. The thing that become the most frustrating is our inability to find middle ground. Or at least have a civil conversation about things. What I meant about giving up is because we tend to find the one thing wrong in people or movements and then disregard them. The answer lies between the Tea Partier and that woman wearing the Keffiyeh. You want 100 but the other guy wants 50 so you make it 75.

284 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:05:24pm

re: #76 bratwurst

So if a pro-Israel rally attracts Kahanists with some nasty signs, do you also say "bub eye"?

We've tried hard, in the groups I protest with, to say good bye to them. As Eclectic Infidel pointed out, sometimes it works better than at other times.

285 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:05:52pm

re: #280 Floral Giraffe

What's the score?
Your team winning?

`We are crushing Colorado.. Shut up winston! *wink*

286 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:06:02pm

re: #278 researchok

Is it the politics of falafel and hummus discussion time yet?

No, no, no.
We want the delicious food.
Though I prefer baba ghanoush to hummus.

287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:06:02pm

re: #281 HappyWarrior

I have a friend with a lovely voice who loves to do the Karaoke... and does that song. And belts it out.

And I cringe all of the way through...

288 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:06:31pm

re: #285 HoosierHoops

`We are crushing Colorado.. Shut up winston! *wink*

Hey did you get the French Apple pie I baked for you yesterday?

289 Irving  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:06:35pm

Please, no one politicize my hummus. I like garlic way too much.

290 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:06:40pm

re: #284 SanFranciscoZionist

We've tried hard, in the groups I protest with, to say good bye to them. As Eclectic Infidel pointed out, sometimes it works better than at other times.

it's an affront, plain and simple, or else the wearers are just stupid....mostly the latter

291 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:06:47pm

re: #278 researchok

Is it the politics of falafel and hummus discussion time yet?

Sorry, but I have no interest in discussions of Bill O'Reilly's sexual proclivities /

292 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:06:54pm

re: #81 eclectic infidel

Back in June, there was an anti-war/anti-Israel rally in San Francisco. I couldn't be there but several members of SFVoice4Israel were present, as were local tea party folk. From what my friends told me, none of the tea party signs were offensive, the tea party folks stood with the pro-Israel side peacefully and didn't evangelize anything to anyone. One of the organizers even made a video of the rally. No, I don't have the link but it is somewhere on YouTube.

So I guess it is possible to find sane tea party people, but then again, perhaps San Francisco is that island out to see that's the exception rather than the rule.

I've seen guys at SFVoice rallies wearing Free Republic hats. I just smile and give them a spot on the rail. They keep their signs within the limits.

We've had trouble with a few who don't.

293 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:07:03pm

re: #289 Irving

Please, no one politicize my hummus. I like garlic way too much.

That's exactly how I like my hummus.
Easy on the lemon.
Heavy on the garlic.
Yummy.

294 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:07:34pm

re: #293 reine.de.tout

That's exactly how I like my hummus.
Easy on the lemon.
Heavy on the garlic.
Yummy.

{burp}

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:07:36pm

re: #83 Alouette

No, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are not anti-Israel, very far from it. However, the keffiyeh is a well known "pro Palestinian" fashion accessory. What they were doing at the Jon Stewart rally, I have no idea. Were the Westboro Phelps phreaks there too?

I think they go everywhere. The khaffiyeh wearers and the Phelpsers both.

296 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:08:00pm

re: #287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have a friend with a lovely voice who loves to do the Karaoke... and does that song. And belts it out.

And I cringe all of the way through...

Haha, another friend looked at me afterwards as if I had committed a war crime when I finished. I don't know how anyone does karaoke sober. My social anxiety would be killing me even if I did a song I really liked and knew well.

297 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:08:47pm

re: #293 reine.de.tout

That's exactly how I like my hummus.
Easy on the lemon.
Heavy on the garlic.
Yummy.

good Americans stick to Quaker Oats do they not?

298 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:09:02pm

re: #290 albusteve

it's an affront, plain and simple, or else the wearers are just stupid...mostly the latter

You know SFZ hasn't hit 100 yet; you've got a ways to go before she catches up.

299 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:09:27pm

re: #297 albusteve

good Americans stick to Quaker Oats do they not?

I always wondered why Barbara Bush was on their packaging!

300 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:09:39pm

re: #297 albusteve

good Americans stick to Quaker Oats do they not?

Good Suthren gals stick to grits.
No oatmeal in this house, evah.
I hate the stuff.

301 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:09:43pm

re: #286 reine.de.tout

No, no, no.
We want the delicious food.
Though I prefer baba ghanoush to hummus.

I share that preference. In San Francisco, when I lived in the Parkside/Sunset district, I live a few doors down from a ME deli run by a first generation Jordanian. His family were in the neighborhood, attended St. Cecilia's a few blocks over and every other day, made fresh baba ghanoush, humus, and mousaka. The lamb caserole was so delicious. Sadly, he didn't invest much in advertising and relied on family and friends to get the word out. Only lasted a year but for that year, I ate well at his business.

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:09:48pm

re: #95 nonsense

The only reason I could see them being at a "Rally for Sanity" is to speak against the flagrant muslim-hate as of late and that those who wore them don't understand it's been used as an anti-Israel item. But really, isn't it just a normal run-of-the-mill garment for muslims?

It's a specifically Arab thing, and in a political context it has some very specific connotations.

Like I said, I don't mind them. Worn by Arab men on their heads.

Back in the day, middle-aged well-travelled Jewish women used to bring them back from Israel and wear them like scarves, usually with Guatemalan earrings. Nowadays, it means something more specifically political.

303 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:09:50pm

re: #298 reine.de.tout

You know SFZ hasn't hit 100 yet; you've got a ways to go before she catches up.

doggin the rear guard

304 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:09:55pm

re: #288 Alouette

Hey did you get the French Apple pie I baked for you yesterday?

There is no greater pie in the world..

305 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:10:44pm

re: #299 sattv4u2

I always wondered why Barbara Bush was on their packaging!

not a HS pic of George the Younger?

306 researchok  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:10:47pm

re: #283 Gus 802

Yes. And Stewart is right. The thing that become the most frustrating is our inability to find middle ground. Or at least have a civil conversation about things. What I meant about giving up is because we tend to find the one thing wrong in people or movements and then disregard them. The answer lies between the Tea Partier and that woman wearing the Keffiyeh. You want 100 but the other guy wants 50 so you make it 75.

I don't blame the voters or the MSM.

I blame career politicians whose priority is to campaign for years on end

Term limits- for both politicians and staff.

307 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:11:05pm

re: #110 joest73

re: #83 Alouette

Blame is on a fashion trend started by Rachel Ray.

Rachel Ray's was paisley.

308 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:11:15pm

re: #304 HoosierHoops

There is no greater pie in the world..

Ricotta Cheese Pie from any of half a dozen bakers in the North End of Boston

(end of discussion)

309 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:11:34pm

re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist

I've seen guys at SFVoice rallies wearing Free Republic hats. I just smile and give them a spot on the rail. They keep their signs within the limits.

We've had trouble with a few who don't.

I haven't seen those, but I have seen 'Savage Nation' hats, and a few wearing the detestable 'Jews for Jesus' t-shirts. Admittedly, both groups have been very well-behaved, but the latter group makes me cringe, especially when I see how the actual Jews react to them.

310 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:11:35pm

re: #283 Gus 802

Yes. And Stewart is right. The thing that become the most frustrating is our inability to find middle ground. Or at least have a civil conversation about things. What I meant about giving up is because we tend to find the one thing wrong in people or movements and then disregard them. The answer lies between the Tea Partier and that woman wearing the Keffiyeh. You want 100 but the other guy wants 50 so you make it 75.

Actually no. I think that on the vast, vast majority of issues, the vast, vast majority of Americans are essentially in agreement. There may be a couple of differences in the details, but most people can overall agree on general principles on most major issues.

But reasonableness and hashing out a few details does not sell. And it is manifestly more useful to the American media to create dichotomies and sensationalism. This has always been true, but over the past decade or so, media corporations are now actively calling shots and directing politics, rather than merely profiting off salacious and sensationalist parts of politics. Now they (well, one in particular) are actively creating hate, fear and other emotional responses, and thus driving public policy and politics, as a means of retaining brand loyalty.

And it's revolting.

311 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:12:02pm

re: #301 eclectic infidel

I share that preference. In San Francisco, when I lived in the Parkside/Sunset district, I live a few doors down from a ME deli run by a first generation Jordanian. His family were in the neighborhood, attended St. Cecilia's a few blocks over and every other day, made fresh baba ghanoush, humus, and mousaka. The lamb caserole was so delicious. Sadly, he didn't invest much in advertising and relied on family and friends to get the word out. Only lasted a year but for that year, I ate well at his business.

We have got a abundance of really good middle eastern restaurants here, for some reason. I think it's because we like the spices in the food; the restaurants do very well here.

The restaurants bill themselves as "Greek-Lebanese". And they have something called "Lebanese Iced Tea", which iced tea seasoned with rose water and pine nuts. Delicious stuff.

312 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:12:15pm

re: #300 reine.de.tout

Good Suthren gals stick to grits.
No oatmeal in this house, evah.
I hate the stuff.

commie...learn to like your native foods...grits are okay, but they have no message except you drawl

313 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:12:49pm

re: #140 WindUpBird

man, I wish I could read minds like you, because that would be awesome!

Seriously, there's a significance to the thing. Not always, because the fashion statement went viral. But a lot of the time.

314 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:13:29pm

I made another batch of Kefir Cheese. 26 bucks a pound? Suckers! I do it for about $2.

315 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:13:37pm

re: #306 researchok

I don't blame the voters or the MSM.

I blame career politicians whose priority is to campaign for years on end

Term limits- for both politicians and staff.

bingo...but the MSM (I hate those guys) preys on the weak and ignorant....not cool

316 Lidane  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:15:08pm

re: #300 reine.de.tout

Good Suthren gals stick to grits.
No oatmeal in this house, evah.
I hate the stuff.

I've never liked grits. It's weird, because I like both corn and hominy on their own, but grits? Either I've always had it made by people who have no idea what the hell they're doing, or I just can't eat them.

Oatmeal, on the other hand, is awesome with a touch of brown sugar, cinnamon, and butter. :D

317 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:15:25pm

re: #192 irving

I'm boggled by the idea that wearing a keffiyeh is somehow evil. I've worn it several times before and never had a political thought enter my head. In fact, I'm pretty sure you'll see our troops in Afghanistan wearing it regularly for more or less the same reason I wore it: it's a terrifically comfy and useful hat. Especially in hot weather.

I know British troops in the Middle East were issued uniform ones--they call it a 'shemagh'.

I was unaware that anyone in Afghanistan wore a khaffiyeh. Is this something the troops brought with them?

318 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:16:15pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

It's funny the reason why I stopped going to anti war rallies in the first place was because I was fed up with their credit. In 2005, I had become really interested in the Sudan issue and I remember being infuriated that the anti war rally I went to sponsored by ANSWER said more about how Mumia Al-Jamal is a political prisoner than doing something about that genocide. I never really liked ANSWER much anyhow. Yes, I disagreed with the Iraq War but I have no love for a group sponsored by a party that supported the Soviets invasion of Hungary in 56 because the Soviets didn't like the Hungarians trying to protect their national sovereignty and my favorite given tehir opposition to our presence in Afghansitan is they actually supported the Soviet invasion in teh late 70's.

ANSWER are a disaster. I really wish they had not gotten their claws so deep into the anti-war rallies in the Bay Area.

319 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:16:42pm

re: #316 Lidane

I've never liked grits. It's weird, because I like both corn and hominy on their own, but grits? Either I've always had it made by people who have no idea what the hell they're doing, or I just can't eat them.

Oatmeal, on the other hand, is awesome with a touch of brown sugar, cinnamon, and butter. :D

The secret with grits: use Lawry's seasoning salt, OR Tony Chachere's Creole Seasoning on them, with butter.

320 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:17:53pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a specifically Arab thing, and in a political context it has some very specific connotations.

Like I said, I don't mind them. Worn by Arab men on their heads.

Back in the day, middle-aged well-travelled Jewish women used to bring them back from Israel and wear them like scarves, usually with Guatemalan earrings. Nowadays, it means something more specifically political.

hehe I was in Israel in the 70s with Young Judea (Jewish youth group for those who don't know) many of us bought them. Arafat wasn't wearing it as the symbol of Palestine at the time.

[Link: www.gettyimages.com...]

We all wanted something distinctly Arab. The only time I've worn it since, and I still wear it, is for pirate days at the Renn Faire. (Tie it around my head like Jack Sparrow).

Today there's a different significance, for sure, but I wager that a lot of those yoot have no clue what it means, other than it stands for "revolution" of some sort.

321 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:18:03pm

re: #318 SanFranciscoZionist

ANSWER are a disaster. I really wish they had not gotten their claws so deep into the anti-war rallies in the Bay Area.

Feel the exact same way about them. They made me feel as I learned more about them embarassed to go to the anti war rallies. And of course, right wingers in the media used ANSWER's name to paint opponents of the war as left wing extremists.

322 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:18:08pm

re: #314 Killgore Trout

I made another batch of Kefir Cheese. 26 bucks a pound? Suckers! I do it for about $2.

Damn, that cheese looks great.
You make your own? BUT YOU WON'T GIVE THE POOR KIDS SOME CANDY ON HALLOWEEN?

323 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:18:23pm

re: #318 SanFranciscoZionist

ANSWER are a disaster. I really wish they had not gotten their claws so deep into the anti-war rallies in the Bay Area.

ANSWER thinks they can negotiate with Nazis. They're confused.

324 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:18:38pm

re: #309 eclectic infidel

I haven't seen those, but I have seen 'Savage Nation' hats, and a few wearing the detestable 'Jews for Jesus' t-shirts. Admittedly, both groups have been very well-behaved, but the latter group makes me cringe, especially when I see how the actual Jews react to them.

I'm one of those.

325 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:19:28pm

re: #320 marjoriemoon

. . .

Today there's a different significance, for sure, but I wager that a lot of those yoot have no clue what it means, other than it stands for "revolution" of some sort.

Not even that, MM. I think for most it has no significance other than an attractive pattern and/or colors.

326 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:19:56pm

re: #300 reine.de.tout

Good Suthren gals stick to grits.
No oatmeal in this house, evah.
I hate the stuff.

I had grits for the first time at the Tennessee Grill in the same neighborhood I mentioned. Two eggs plus grits was like $3 and change. And I have to say, I really liked the grits. Good with butter but I've had homemade recipes too that included ingredients like garlic and ham. I've also experimented with various jams. What a great medium.

327 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:20:19pm

re: #320 marjoriemoon

hehe I was in Israel in the 70s with Young Judea (Jewish youth group for those who don't know) many of us bought them. Arafat wasn't wearing it as the symbol of Palestine at the time.

[Link: www.gettyimages.com...]

We all wanted something distinctly Arab. The only time I've worn it since, and I still wear it, is for pirate days at the Renn Faire. (Tie it around my head like Jack Sparrow).

Today there's a different significance, for sure, but I wager that a lot of those yoot have no clue what it means, other than it stands for "revolution" of some sort.

yoots are stoopid

328 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:21:58pm

re: #297 albusteve

good Americans stick to Quaker Oats do they not?

In Soviet Russia kasha stick to you!

;)

329 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:22:01pm

re: #325 reine.de.tout

Not even that, MM. I think for most it has no significance other than an attractive pattern and/or colors.

True. I was thinking about at a rally.

330 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:22:01pm
331 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:22:21pm

re: #323 Gus 802

ANSWER thinks they can negotiate with Nazis. They're confused.

Most of them are. A few of them are actual hard-core commies and Israel-haters. Those people are not confused, they really do want America's influence curbed and Israel gone.

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:22:39pm

re: #323 Gus 802

ANSWER thinks they can negotiate with Nazis. They're confused.

ANSWER wouldn't let Rabbi Michael Lerner speak at their event, 'cause he's a Zionist.

That, to me, was an early warning sign of what was to come.

333 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:23:13pm

re: #326 eclectic infidel

I had grits for the first time at the Tennessee Grill in the same neighborhood I mentioned. Two eggs plus grits was like $3 and change. And I have to say, I really liked the grits. Good with butter but I've had homemade recipes too that included ingredients like garlic and ham. I've also experimented with various jams. What a great medium.

$3 and change? When was that?

334 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:23:41pm

re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist

ANSWER wouldn't let Rabbi Michael Lerner speak at their event, 'cause he's a Zionist.

That, to me, was an early warning sign of what was to come.

I hear that. Never liked 'em.

335 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:24:02pm

re: #330 Gus 802

1952 Vincent Black Lightning


[Video]


top shelf hair

336 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:24:23pm

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

Most of them are. A few of them are actual hard-core commies and Israel-haters. Those people are not confused, they really do want America's influence curbed and Israel gone.

They're pretty much anarchists, no? Nothing makes them happy. They want a society where no one rules... of course, except for them. But that's different! :p

337 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:24:59pm

re: #316 Lidane

I've never liked grits. It's weird, because I like both corn and hominy on their own, but grits? Either I've always had it made by people who have no idea what the hell they're doing, or I just can't eat them.

Oatmeal, on the other hand, is awesome with a touch of brown sugar, cinnamon, and butter. :D

I got a pound of steel-cut oats by accident which I can't use in making scones (need rolled). So I've been cooking some every weekend for breakfast. Takes a little longer, but delicious, and I'm using brown sugar, cinnamon, and dried cherries right at the end to add some extra flavor.

338 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:25:37pm

re: #335 albusteve

top shelf hair

Get Down On Your Knees And Pray

339 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:26:08pm

re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist

ANSWER wouldn't let Rabbi Michael Lerner speak at their event, 'cause he's a Zionist.

That, to me, was an early warning sign of what was to come.

Exactly. They can't even bring themselves to accept Israel's right to the 1967 borders.

340 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:26:22pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

Ain't nothin' like the sight of a non-Arab white girl with a khaffieh wrapped across her face, a la stone-throwing yoot, screaming hate on the streets of San Francisco.

It's a thing of... well, it's a thing. Blech.

341 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:27:02pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

$3 and change? When was that?

1998

342 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:27:09pm

re: #326 eclectic infidel

I had grits for the first time at the Tennessee Grill in the same neighborhood I mentioned. Two eggs plus grits was like $3 and change. And I have to say, I really liked the grits. Good with butter but I've had homemade recipes too that included ingredients like garlic and ham. I've also experimented with various jams. What a great medium.

Cheese.
Try cheese grits.

4 cups chicken broth
1 cup quick cooking grits (5-minute grits)
1 1/2 cups shredded sharp cheddar cheese
1 cup milk
2 large eggs, beaten
tabasco to taste

Preheat oven to 350. Bring broth to a boil, add the grits and cook according to package directions. Remove from heat and stir in cheese. Combine milk, eggs and tabasco in another bowl and stir into the grits. Bake at 350 in lightly greased casserole dish for 30 minutes.

343 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:27:27pm

re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist

ANSWER wouldn't let Rabbi Michael Lerner speak at their event, 'cause he's a Zionist.

That, to me, was an early warning sign of what was to come.

I don't think they would welcome Neturei Karta either.

344 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:29:03pm

re: #338 Gus 802

Get Down On Your Knees And Pray


[Video]

I am praying!
(that you don't post this coif-o-rama again)

345 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:29:32pm

re: #319 reine.de.tout

Salt and butter, are the secret to cooking ANYTHING!

346 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:30:13pm

re: #344 albusteve

I am praying!
(that you don't post this coif-o-rama again)

Del rules! Want some Hendrix?

347 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:30:52pm

re: #300 reine.de.tout

Good Suthren gals stick to grits.

And good grits stick to Dirty Suthren gals.
/

348 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:30:53pm

re: #341 eclectic infidel

1998

Where was that? It sure as heck wasn't Chicago. Even 12 years ago, grits and eggs would cost twice that after taxes.

349 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:31:36pm

This one is always a winner.

Junior Brown "Highway Patrol"

350 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:31:39pm

re: #345 Floral Giraffe

Salt and butter, are the secret to cooking ANYTHING!

Real butter.
And yes, salt.
God help me, I love 'em both.

351 Lidane  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:31:58pm

re: #323 Gus 802

ANSWER thinks they can negotiate with Nazis. They're confused.

ANSWER are a bunch of imbeciles. Always have been. I've never liked them.

Personally, my activism stays online. I'll find causes that I think people can get behind (To Write Love on Her Arms, for example) and I'll raise awareness and money for them. Or I donate directly to groups like Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières and cut out the placard-waving and protest marching.

352 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:32:15pm

re: #346 Gus 802

Del rules! Want some Hendrix?

how about Angel?....do it

353 webevintage  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:33:02pm

Guys I need good kitty thoughts sent our way.

Master Chief, who still has stitches and the Elizabethan collar on, got out today, got chased up a tree, came done the tree and ran into the woods before we could grab him.
(seriously, this all happened in like 5 min)
My son is beside himself and has been looking for him all day and it is now after 10, dark out and getting pretty cool and we just can't find him.

I just want him to come home....

354 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:33:30pm

re: #352 albusteve

how about Angel?...do it

Angel - Jimi Hendrix

355 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:33:38pm

re: #350 reine.de.tout

And, you can eat them in moderation, as long as you exercise!
LOL!

356 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:34:03pm

Good Eats S8E11P1: True Grits


AKA: Pollenta
/like the hat?
357 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:35:08pm

re: #353 webevintage

Guys I need good kitty thoughts sent our way.

Master Chief, who still has stitches and the Elizabethan collar on, got out today, got chased up a tree, came done the tree and ran into the woods before we could grab him.
(seriously, this all happened in like 5 min)
My son is beside himself and has been looking for him all day and it is now after 10, dark out and getting pretty cool and we just can't find him.

I just want him to come home...

Oh jeez. Stupid cats. Many kitty thoughts and prayers going his and your way.

358 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:35:08pm
Angel came down from heaven yesterday
She stayed with me just long enough to rescue me
And she told me a story yesterday,
About the sweet love between the moon and the deep blue sea
And then she spread her wings high over me
She said she's gonna come back tomorrow

And I said, "Fly on my sweet angel,
Fly on through the sky,
Fly on my sweet angel,
Tomorrow I'm gonna be by your side"

Sure enough this morning came unto me
Silver wings silhouetted against the child's sunrise
And my angel she said unto me,
"Today is the day for you to rise
Take my hand, you're gonna be my man,
You're gonna rise"
And then she took high over yonder

And I said, "Fly on my sweet angel,
Fly on through the sky,
Fly on my sweet angel,
Forever I will be by your side"

359 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:37:57pm

re: #354 Gus 802

Angel - Jimi Hendrix


[Video]

smokin the Bose....my favorite, or close to it
thanks

360 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:38:11pm

re: #353 webevintage

Guys I need good kitty thoughts sent our way.

Master Chief, who still has stitches and the Elizabethan collar on, got out today, got chased up a tree, came done the tree and ran into the woods before we could grab him.
(seriously, this all happened in like 5 min)
My son is beside himself and has been looking for him all day and it is now after 10, dark out and getting pretty cool and we just can't find him.

I just want him to come home...

Web-e -
I've had cats disappear for a day or two. If they're used to being outside and are familiar with the area where you live, they'll come home. It's where the food is. And they'll be OK outside even if it's a bit cold - if you're up, check again about midnight or so . . .


Well, the Roi tells me tomorrow morning it's MY turn to get up and let the cats out when they start squalling at 5 a.m.

soooo . . .
g'night, all!

361 Lidane  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:38:40pm

re: #353 webevintage

Guys I need good kitty thoughts sent our way.

Done and done.

I've been there. It's a horrible feeling when a kitty runs off like that and you can't find them. I hope Master Chief comes home soon.

362 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:39:58pm

re: #359 albusteve

smokin the Bose...my favorite, or close to it
thanks

The man was amazing.

Jimi Hendrix - Voodoo Child

363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:40:19pm

re: #342 reine.de.tout

Unfortunately... at the end of the day... there's still grits in that.

364 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:40:33pm

re: #353 webevintage

Guys I need good kitty thoughts sent our way.

Master Chief, who still has stitches and the Elizabethan collar on, got out today, got chased up a tree, came done the tree and ran into the woods before we could grab him.
(seriously, this all happened in like 5 min)
My son is beside himself and has been looking for him all day and it is now after 10, dark out and getting pretty cool and we just can't find him.

I just want him to come home...

Put some wet food out where he ran off. You can set it in a dish of water and the bugs won't get to it, although another critter may, but it's worth a shot.

365 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:40:46pm

re: #360 reine.de.tout

Nite Reine. I'd make a joke about kissing your grits, but you've likely heard them all before. Plus, you're married.

366 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:41:10pm

re: #363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Unfortunately... at the end of the day... there's still grits in that.

But no meat!

367 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:42:27pm

re: #366 reine.de.tout

But no meat!

I pray you don't give the same answer to #365!!!

368 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:42:37pm
Well, I stand up next to a mountain
And I chop it down with the edge of my hand

Yeah

Well, I stand up next to a mountain
And I chop it down with the edge of my hand
Well, I pick up all the pieces and make an island
Might even raise a little sand

Yeah

'cause I'm a voodoo child
Lord knows I'm a voodoo child baby
I want to say one more last thing
I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time
I'll give it right back to ya one of these days

Hahaha

I said I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time
I'll give it right back one of these days

Oh yeah

If I don't meet you no more in this world then uh
I'll meet ya on the next one
And don't be late
Don't be late

'cause I'm a voodoo child voodoo child
Lord knows I'm a voodoo child

Hey hey hey

I'm a voodoo child baby
I don't take no for an answer

Question no
Yeah

More lyrics: [Link: www.lyricsfreak.com...]

369 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:44:20pm

re: #362 Gus 802

The man was amazing.

Jimi Hendrix - Voodoo Child


[Video]

indeed...and the only person that could cover him was SRV and he's gone too....pass the kleenex

370 Political Atheist  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:44:27pm

re: #353 webevintage

re: #353 webevintage

He'll be back. Just be calm and easy with him outside. Coax him in with food. We wish you the best.

371 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:44:51pm

re: #368 Gus 802


Well, I stand up next to a mountain
And I chop it down with the edge of my hand

Most bad ass intro lyrics ever.

372 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:45:08pm

thank the Gods for Youtube

373 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:45:28pm

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

Where was that? It sure as heck wasn't Chicago. Even 12 years ago, grits and eggs would cost twice that after taxes.

San Francisco, California. On Taraval Street.

374 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:47:08pm

re: #372 albusteve

thank the Gods for Youtube

Ditto. I know we disagree tons Steve but I loves ya'.

375 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:47:44pm

Hey Joe

376 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:48:34pm

re: #374 Gus 802

Ditto. I know we disagree tons Steve but I loves ya'.

I respect my elders and my betters

377 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:48:47pm

Off topic, possibly disturbing:

OMG. I'm watching Rescue Me episode "Inches" in which the guys have a contest as to who has the largest penis. Franco, with a lover, gets a cock ring stuck on his johnson. He calls one of the guys to saw the thing off. I can't watch.

378 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:49:42pm

re: #376 albusteve

I respect my elders and my betters

C'Mon Steve

Nobody is better than you,, NOBODY ,

well ,, besides me ,,, and Walter,, and Gus , and ,,,,,

:)

379 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:50:23pm

re: #377 eclectic infidel

Off topic, possibly disturbing:

OMG. I'm watching Rescue Me episode "Inches" in which the guys have a contest as to who has the largest penis. Franco, with a lover, gets a cock ring stuck on his johnson. He calls one of the guys to saw the thing off. I can't watch.

And next time,, don't tell !!!

//

380 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:50:28pm

re: #373 eclectic infidel

San Francisco, California. On Taraval Street.

Interesting. Thanks for that.

381 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:50:51pm

re: #378 sattv4u2

C'Mon Steve

Nobody is better than you,, NOBODY ,

well ,, besides me ,,, and Walter,, and Gus , and ,,,

:)

What the fuck did I do now?

382 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:50:52pm

re: #376 albusteve

I respect my elders and my betters

I guess that explains your love of the Stones, then. Ain't nobody elder than them.
/better? lots. elder? none.

383 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:51:16pm

re: #378 sattv4u2

C'Mon Steve

Nobody is better than you,, NOBODY ,

well ,, besides me ,,, and Walter,, and Gus , and ,,,

:)

re: #378 sattv4u2

C'Mon Steve

Nobody is better than you,, NOBODY ,

well ,, besides me ,,, and Walter,, and Gus , and ,,,

:)


targets

384 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:51:22pm

re: #365 Slumbering Behemoth

Nite Reine. I'd make a joke about kissing your grits, but you've likely heard them all before. Plus, you're married.

Married women are safe to flirt with - if you're an honorable guy and know that the flirting is just that and nothing else.

385 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:51:22pm

re: #381 Walter L. Newton

What the fuck did I do now?

You're here!

That in and of itself is enough!!

386 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:51:58pm

re: #381 Walter L. Newton

What the fuck did I do now?

your rep precedes you

387 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:52:04pm

I knew I should have bought a pint.

/

388 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:53:45pm

re: #382 Slumbering Behemoth

I guess that explains your love of the Stones, then. Ain't nobody elder than them.
/better? lots. elder? none.

none better than the Stones....too late now for anyone to claim the crown

389 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:55:02pm

Stones play the blues...dig it

390 Lidane  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:56:36pm

Completely OT, but my weekend just improved in a huge way.

Part of my grad school program is an internship next summer. I'm trying to nail down a position, and one of the girls in the second year group forwarded the contact info for the CFO/COO of a local software company that just hired her. I wrote to him to introduce myself and express interest in working there, and he just wrote back! He wants to meet at some point this next week!

With any luck, this will pan out and I'll land my internship now, before the semester is out. That would rule.

391 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:58:40pm

Oklahoma scores again! 43-10..Winston is going crazy with the band and drums playing..Running in circles and barking! I'm laughing my ass off...
He has not a clue cause in about 1/2 hour there will be 90000 people walking down the street in total party mood..Winston will go nuts...I love this town..Winston..Not so much

392 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:00:46pm

re: #385 sattv4u2

re: #386 albusteve

I here... getting ready for work... the part time weekend overnight cashier had knee surgery... guess who probably gets to fill in for him on Sat. and Sun. nights for a while?

Moi.

What chafes me the most is, I'm low man on the totem pole, so, I'm first pick for these "emergencies," but we do have another cashier who is next on the seniority list, who could help out, take one of the two overnight for now, but he refuses... which is his option, but still... well, it chafes me.

And on top of it all, they upped my hours to 30 this week, on top of the two overnights... we are understaffed as it is, and Kroger told them to cut hours on some people who have been getting too many... wouldn't want them to get their 1000 hours to quickly... which makes them eligible for benefits.

On the flip side... I'm fine.

393 Lidane  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:01:10pm

re: #391 HoosierHoops

Heh. A friend of mine is a Sooner, which makes her life here in Austin interesting, to say the least. I'll bet she's loving that score tonight.

394 webevintage  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:01:22pm

re: #357 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh jeez. Stupid cats. Many kitty thoughts and prayers going his and your way.

He is a really, really stupid cat.
BUT thank you everyone, hopefully we will find him at the door in the AM pissed off that we left him out all night.
It's gonna be cold with his whole midriff shaved.

395 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:02:04pm

re: #392 Walter L. Newton

re: #386 albusteve

I here... getting ready for work... the part time weekend overnight cashier had knee surgery... guess who probably gets to fill in for him on Sat. and Sun. nights for a while?

Moi.

What chafes me the most is, I'm low man on the totem pole, so, I'm first pick for these "emergencies," but we do have another cashier who is next on the seniority list, who could help out, take one of the two overnight for now, but he refuses... which is his option, but still... well, it chafes me.

And on top of it all, they upped my hours to 30 this week, on top of the two overnights... we are understaffed as it is, and Kroger told them to cut hours on some people who have been getting too many... wouldn't want them to get their 1000 hours to quickly... which makes them eligible for benefits.

On the flip side... I'm fine.

submit comrade....it is the only way

396 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:02:05pm

re: #391 HoosierHoops

Oklahoma scores again! 43-10..Winston is going crazy with the band and drums playing..Running in circles and barking! I'm laughing my ass off...
He has not a clue cause in about 1/2 hour there will be 90000 people walking down the street in total party mood..Winston will go nuts...I love this town..Winston..Not so much

Maybe you should ask the band to leave your TV room!

397 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:02:55pm

Kt, I challenge you!
I will buy a pumpkin tomorrow & carve it evilly, and serve $20 or so in candy to the kiddies that ring my doorbell (Which will be lighted), if you will.
I'm not doing a costume, but I will meet the neighbors.
Are you on for this?

398 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:03:03pm
399 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:03:13pm

Woot!

400 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:03:16pm

re: #392 Walter L. Newton

Welcome to the club

I started my 4 month stint on overnights last night (back in here ((work)) tonight)

401 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:03:34pm

re: #384 eclectic infidel

Perhaps, but I have a tendency to be pretty suggestive and risque. I gotta set boundaries somewhere.

402 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:04:29pm

who works?

403 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:05:50pm

re: #396 sattv4u2

Maybe you should ask the band to leave your TV room!

2 blocks away from the stadium..It's time delayed from TV to real life...

404 Gus  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:06:09pm

re: #402 albusteve

who works?

I do when I can.

405 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:06:36pm

re: #402 albusteve

People who need money!

406 Jadespring  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:07:29pm

re: #105 Alouette

Muslims usually wear the keffiyeh on their heads. When non-Muslims wear it, it is meant as a "pro Palestinian" fashion statement. I will concede that there may be some really clueless teenagers who just think it is a "peace scarf" fashion statement.

I know this is late in the discussion but I had to relay this story. I was in college and it does seem like there's always some activisty group at every college that fights or blah blahs about Palestinian condition blah blah. Goes with the territory I guess. Yes the keffiyeh is worn around their necks (by them) while they're blah blahing and sometimes just as an accessory. A couple of them was in a history class with me, though for the most part they were super low key. So anyways there's these young girls I worked with who think these guys are really cute and 'cool' and I suppose want to impress them with their fashion sense and one of them gets a black and white scarf and wears it to school. It wasn't even a proper keffiyeh but it's not like she knows anyways. I asked so you're getting into Palestian rights politics now? She's like "Say what?" Her friend, just as puzzled, "Palestine? That's in the Middle East right?"

So I explained what it meant and the dim bulbs never really got it. They just thought it was some sort of hip fashion accessory.

Moral of the story. Some people wear because of it's hardcore 'solidarity' protest message, some people wear it because some other group wears it and some people wear it because they think it looks cool and want to impress guys. :)

Kinda like Che shirts.

407 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:10:27pm

re: #400 sattv4u2

Welcome to the club

I started my 4 month stint on overnights last night (back in here ((work)) tonight)

re: #402 albusteve

who works?

My comments above are not so much complaining, just observation. Over all, a job is a good thing to have right now. And I have actually been making some decent extra money from my part time programming for Kaiser.

Kaiser put another 360 dollars in my pocket last week just before my 3 day trip to Florida, that help top off the expenses and enabled the girlfriend and I to have some wiggle room... we were able to indulge in some overpriced Disney Resort restaurants, instead of settling for hot dogs and hamburgers.

By the way... check out my NEW AVATAR... I'm abusing a mouse.

408 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:11:36pm

re: #388 albusteve

none better than the Stones...too late now for anyone to claim the crown

Flibberty jibber. They've always been a day late and a dollar short. I've seen toddlers with more talent.

409 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:12:08pm

re: #407 Walter L. Newton

re: #402 albusteve

My comments above are not so much complaining, just observation. Over all, a job is a good thing to have right now. And I have actually been making some decent extra money from my part time programming for Kaiser.

Kaiser put another 360 dollars in my pocket last week just before my 3 day trip to Florida, that help top off the expenses and enabled the girlfriend and I to have some wiggle room... we were able to indulge in some overpriced Disney Resort restaurants, instead of settling for hot dogs and hamburgers.

By the way... check out my NEW AVATAR... I'm abusing a mouse.

cool, I'm happy for you...hang in there, our time will come

410 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:12:12pm

re: #402 albusteve

who works?

I do. I'm finally eligible for benefits at my job following my promotion..

411 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:12:30pm

re: #192 irving

I'm boggled by the idea that wearing a keffiyeh is somehow evil. I've worn it several times before and never had a political thought enter my head. In fact, I'm pretty sure you'll see our troops in Afghanistan wearing it regularly for more or less the same reason I wore it: it's a terrifically comfy and useful hat. Especially in hot weather.

Can someone explain why a black and white scarf with a cord around your head is innately evil? It really puzzles me. If it's a symbol of Arab solidarity, then it's a really subtle and unimpressive one, especially if you're in a big field where people are waving signs to express things.

Or maybe, just perhaps, you're reading a touch too much into this? And thereby indulging in some of the lazy, unpleasant rhetoric that was being protested against at this rally?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And often, a hat is just a hat.

It's been my understanding that only the red checkered ones are the scary ones, they indicate membership in a revolutionary islamic organisation.

412 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:13:26pm

re: #408 Slumbering Behemoth

Flibberty jibber. They've always been a day late and a dollar short. I've seen toddlers with more talent.

that says alot about you...ignorance is no sin, but...there are limits

413 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:14:29pm

re: #412 albusteve

I believe it says a whole lot more about brain locked Stones fans than it does about me.
/we could do this all nite

414 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:14:39pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

I do. I'm finally eligible for benefits at my job following my promotion..

WOOT! Congratulations! WOOT!

415 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:15:07pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

I do. I'm finally eligible for benefits at my job following my promotion..

I'm happy for you....I'd love to join the ranks of The Productive again...my savings are rapidly vanishing

416 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:16:39pm

re: #415 albusteve

I'm happy for you...I'd love to join the ranks of The Productive again...my savings are rapidly vanishing

Your recent surgery might actually help in that. Companies often want to fill some spots with people with disabilities.

417 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:18:27pm

re: #413 Slumbering Behemoth

I believe it says a whole lot more about brain locked Stones fans than it does about me.
/we could do this all nite

who is Howlin Wolf?...or Muddy Waters?...where did they come from?....or Bo Diddley or Chuck Berry? the princes of rock and roll?...do you know anything about Chess Records?...snivel and snot you spew, willfully ignorant....be my guest

418 albusteve  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:20:05pm

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

Your recent surgery might actually help in that. Companies often want to fill some spots with people with disabilities.

I'm looking into professional volunteering...when I get my new leg I'm going to kick some ass around here...I have options

419 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:22:50pm

re: #417 albusteve

who is Howlin Wolf?...or Muddy Waters?...where did they come from?...or Bo Diddley or Chuck Berry? the princes of rock and roll?...do you know anything about Chess Records?...snivel and snot you spew, willfully ignorant...be my guest

I know all those names. There the real pioneers, real musicians, that the Stones ripped off whole sale. Like I said, always a day late and a dollar short the Stones were. Heh, talk about being willfully ignorant.

420 jefffx  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:32:50pm

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

I do need to let you know that your first post about that cat ended up on Rodan's (a nutcase who hates LGF) "Diary of Daedalus Dorkus" where the Stalkers attacked you. Just a heads-up.

Thanks, I'd never been to a wackjob stalkers site. Not impressed, but I suppose getting harrassed by the crazies is a natural part of the lizard lifecycle. I'm a little too old to appreciate schoolyard taunts from people who are not only so out of control they got banned here, but they take it to the next level and fail to let go. Instead of switching over to a community where they're a better fit, they built their own reactionary place, where rather than doing anything of value, they just go on and on about a place where they didn't fit in. It's very sad.

Does this just happen with right-wing wackos, or are there far-left stalkerblogs as well.

421 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:49:33pm

re: #420 jefffx

Thanks, I'd never been to a wackjob stalkers site. Not impressed, but I suppose getting harrassed by the crazies is a natural part of the lizard lifecycle. I'm a little too old to appreciate schoolyard taunts from people who are not only so out of control they got banned here, but they take it to the next level and fail to let go. Instead of switching over to a community where they're a better fit, they built their own reactionary place, where rather than doing anything of value, they just go on and on about a place where they didn't fit in. It's very sad.

Does this just happen with right-wing wackos, or are there far-left stalkerblogs as well.

For a while we had a former lizard who called himself "Gordon" (we called him Nodrog) who stalked this site. But he has since stopped updating his stalker site.

422 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 30, 2010 9:50:17pm

re: #373 eclectic infidel

San Francisco, California. On Taraval Street.

I used to live up the hill from Taraval. On 24th.

423 SueG  Sun, Oct 31, 2010 3:42:12am

re: #3 Max D. Reinhardt

I was there. Unfortunately I didn't have my camera on me, but here are some awesome signs I remember.
Do you want to stop sharia law? Support Separation of Church and State (...)

I love that quote :)

424 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:42:52am

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Kareem is a real mensch. He works for Jewish-African American relations and WWII education. Also, back in the late 1990s he came to Jerusalem and gave a basketball workshop and met with the Chief Rabbi.

Here are some sources:

Kareem Courts the Jews

Kareem's Calling: Building a Better World

425 recusancy  Sun, Oct 31, 2010 1:39:44pm

re: #105 Alouette

Muslims usually wear the keffiyeh on their heads. When non-Muslims wear it, it is meant as a "pro Palestinian" fashion statement. I will concede that there may be some really clueless teenagers who just think it is a "peace scarf" fashion statement.

Why is pro Palestinian a bad thing? Can you not be pro Palestine and pro Israel? Or to be pro Israel do you have to be anti Palestine? There has to be a two state solution right?


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