From Indiana University’s Jacobs School of Music, here’s a live video feed of a special concert by Todd Rundgren, starting right now: Streaming Video : IU Jacobs School of Music.
[Concert’s over - video removed.]
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:15:23pm |
Wow. They're streaming their own video. Pretty impressive.
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bratwurst Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:16:36pm |
This is his first truly solo concert in more than 5 years. Unfortunately, years of often indifferent performances drove away a sizable chunk of his fan base. Having had a minor revival in the past year or so (climbing on board the "album show" bandwagon with pleasing results), we can hopefully look forward to some fun tonight.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:19:22pm |
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Charles Johnson Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:19:23pm |
Unlike Cat Stevens, Todd Rundgren has never called for anyone's death. That I know of.
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bratwurst Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:22:15pm |
re: #5 Charles
Unlike Cat Stevens, Todd Rundgren has never called for anyone's death. That I know of.
He has thrown some public tantrums over conditions at the increasingly down market venues he is playing at this point, but no death threats per se.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:25:29pm |
Rockdale County megachurch bishop does the right thing.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:26:50pm |
re: #7 Slumbering Behemoth
Rockdale County megachurch bishop does the right thing.
Well... that might have some interesting reprocussions...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:27:07pm |
As a baritone this is not so much a problem for me and guys like me...
But someone with a voice such as Todd's ... (he was basically an alto in his early career) having to use falsetto so often is probably a source of irritation for him.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:27:13pm |
re: #5 Charles
Unlike Cat Stevens, Todd Rundgren has never called for anyone's death. That I know of.
LOL!
This is how I have it worked out in my head. Cat Stevens and Yusef Islam are two different people. So I can listen to Cat without having to bother with what Yusef says.
Now justifying Ted Nugent is much more difficult.
Btw Happy Hallows Eve all you Freaky Peoples.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:31:03pm |
re: #10 marjoriemoon
LOL!
This is how I have it worked out in my head. Cat Stevens and Yusef Islam are two different people. So I can listen to Cat without having to bother with what Yusef says.
Now justifying Ted Nugent is much more difficult.
Btw Happy Hallows Eve all you Freaky Peoples.
Just like how Stephen Colbert is a very different person from... well... Stephen Colbert....
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:31:44pm |
re: #11 jamesfirecat
Just like how Stephen Colbert is a very different person from... well... Stephen Colbert...
Probably so!
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Stanghazi Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:33:57pm |
Just talked to 12 year old nephew. He's going as a dead skateboarder.
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bratwurst Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:33:59pm |
re: #9 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
As a baritone this is not so much a problem for me and guys like me...
But someone with a voice such as Todd's ... (he was basically an alto in his early career) having to use falsetto so often is probably a source of irritation for him.
You are witnessing why he doesn't do shows like this any more. The unfortunate truth is (and I say this with love as someone who has seen him about 30 times over the past 25 years) that he lacks the work ethic to rehearse enough to make a show like this really cook. As a young man, he had such a ridiculous amount of talent that he could "wing it" on a regular basis. Now that he can no longer do that, he sometimes gives duff performances.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:35:07pm |
re: #13 Stanley Sea
Just talked to 12 year old nephew. He's going as a dead skateboarder.
How'd your Spooky Tipi turn out?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:37:17pm |
re: #14 bratwurst
What I was thinking.
I saw (yeah, I know... but it was VEGAS) Wayne Newton... dude's basically a bass/baritone now. But the stage is covered in light and there is a lot of sound to kind of cover up the fact that he is not Wayne Newton.
He's Wayne's grandpa.
I thought it sucked, btw. Went with my boss who LOVED it.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:37:48pm |
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Stanghazi Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:37:56pm |
re: #15 marjoriemoon
How'd your Spooky Tipi turn out?
Pretty good actually!! Last minute thrift shop to get the hat needed. I paid a price for all the fun I had last night today though....
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:38:28pm |
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:40:05pm |
re: #11 jamesfirecat
Just like how Stephen Colbert is a very different person from... well... Stephen Colbert...
Yup.
You can only beat up on Ted Nugent so much. He does a lot for war vets.
Of course, he's still a whack job, but a good whackjob.
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bratwurst Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:45:30pm |
re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What I was thinking.
I saw (yeah, I know... but it was VEGAS) Wayne Newton... dude's basically a bass/baritone now. But the stage is covered in light and there is a lot of sound to kind of cover up the fact that he is not Wayne Newton.
He's Wayne's grandpa.
I thought it sucked, btw. Went with my boss who LOVED it.
I just saw Todd do a double album show about 6 weeks ago (Todd/Healing...a VERY ambitious chunk of music). He still has a VERY strong voice...not what it was 35 years ago, but still a powerful instrument. However, he really requires a strong supporting cast at this point for him to be able to focus on using it to its best effect. Having to devote a significant amount of attention to playing (especially the piano) drags the whole presentation down.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:45:44pm |
re: #21 researchok
Yup.
You can only beat up on Ted Nugent so much. He does a lot for war vets.
Of course, he's still a whack job, but a good whackjob.
I have no trouble separating someone's music from their politics. I have no issue if people want to listen to Cat Stevens but I still think it was a mistake to include him in a rally about rational politics.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:47:44pm |
re: #23 Killgore Trout
I have no trouble separating someone's music from their politics. I have no issue if people want to listen to Cat Stevens but I still think it was a mistake to include him in a rally about rational politics.
I'd rather talk about Cat Sevens then about the rally being a "Kaffiyeh fest...."
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:47:54pm |
Read this (or don't):
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
and this:
Wait, what? "Blank tape tax"??
Then sit through this (I dare ya, I double-dare ya)
part 1
part 2 (in which Al Gore loves Frank Zappa in as condescending a way as is possible, and Zappa tries in vain to explain to the Senate Commerce Committee how business works)
part 3, in which it gets serious! Slade Gorton is an enormous dick at 3:00 and apparently thinks a full-court Senate hearing somehow doesn't constitute "government action".
part 4, in which Democrat Ernest Hollings reiterates his threat to legislate rock music out of existence, and Republican Paula Hawkins implies that Zappa's kids never had any cool toys, and gets real proud of herself by forcing him to admit that he actually makes money from making music. OH BURRRN! TWO SNAPS IN A CIRCLE!
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:48:21pm |
re: #23 Killgore Trout
I have no trouble separating someone's music from their politics. I have no issue if people want to listen to Cat Stevens but I still think it was a mistake to include him in a rally about rational politics.
I absolutely agree.
What bothers me most of all is that Stevens has never really apologized for anything he has said.
He's always 'misunderstood'.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:50:18pm |
re: #21 researchok
Yup.
You can only beat up on Ted Nugent so much. He does a lot for war vets.
Of course, he's still a whack job, but a good whackjob.
I don't know. I think he's mostly whackjob.
OTOH I have Stranglehold on my Ipod. I'm not sure what that means. I'm a closet Nugent lover.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:51:08pm |
re: #26 researchok
I absolutely agree.
What bothers me most of all is that Stevens has never really apologized for anything he has said.
He's always 'misunderstood'.
That's my issue as well. He can change his mind any time he wants but he won't own up to it. That leads me to believe he hasn't changed his mind but he's learned to hide his more repulsive opinions.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:51:16pm |
re: #23 Killgore Trout
I have no trouble separating someone's music from their politics. I have no issue if people want to listen to Cat Stevens but I still think it was a mistake to include him in a rally about rational politics.
Agreed. He's a decent musician, but his politics are not sane. If your theme is "Restoring Sanity", you need to make sure you keep nuts off the stage.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:52:38pm |
re: #29 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. He's a decent musician, but his politics are not sane. If your theme is "Restoring Sanity", you need to make sure you keep nuts off the stage.
Has he done anything insane beside that one thing?
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:53:33pm |
re: #27 marjoriemoon
I don't know. I think he's mostly whackjob.
OTOH I have Stranglehold on my Ipod. I'm not sure what that means. I'm a closet Nugent lover.
LOL
Ted Nugent is one those guys who is just hard to dislike.
I saw him on an episode with Anthony Bourdain- and by the end of the episode even Bourdain expressed his affinity for the guy.
Nugent definitely rides his own pony. Still, he gives a lot back, out of the limelight. Pretty classy.
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darthstar Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:53:55pm |
Okay...Fox sports has focused on the Bushes only three times now in the first two innings. I must applaud them for their restraint. I was worried we'd see one of the announcers with his tongue up Barb's ass by the fifth inning...now at least it looks like we'll make it to the seventh.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:54:09pm |
Fall Vegetable Recipes: Sweet Potato & Squash Ideas From Food52.com
Some really good stuff. They do add sugar in some of the sweet potato recipes which I would leave out. They are sweet enough on their own, don't add sugar unless you're making a desert.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:55:38pm |
Gawker - Why We Published the Christine O’Donnell Story.
They use up a lot of space to explain why they did, but it basically boils down to the fact that they believe the Anonymous account to be true.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:56:15pm |
Here's MSNBC's Michael Isikoff giving DNC attack ads the backhand:
Democrats blast GOP 'front groups,' but use them too
While President Obama and other Democrats have excoriated Republican "front groups" for using secret money to pay for attack ads, the party's political committees have begun doing something similar: collecting cash from outside nonprofit groups that don't disclose their contributors and using the money to pay for negative campaign commercials, campaign records show.
One group, Patriot Majority PAC — a Democratic political committee that has run a hard-hitting $1.7 million attack ad campaign against Sharron Angle, the Republican candidate for Harry Reid's Senate seat in Nevada — has gotten one of its largest donations, $250,000, from a liberal nonprofit that doesn’t release the names of any of its contributors, the records show.
Another newly formed political committee, America's Families First Action Fund, which is running negative commercials against Republicans in House races across the country, recently got $1 million from a closely related nonprofit affiliate, the records show. Both organizations were set up over the summer by Democratic strategists, who emphasized in a memo to donors that contributions to the nonprofit could be kept anonymous.
These operations illustrate how Democrats have belatedly tried to mimic some of the same GOP money-raising tactics they have sharply criticized, exploiting a controversial Supreme Court ruling earlier this year that allows unlimited contribution to political committees from corporations, labor unions and wealthy individuals. These donations can be kept concealed from the public if made to outside nonprofits, which can either run campaign ads directly or — as the Democratic groups are doing — make contributions to other political committees that run ads on their own.
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:58:10pm |
re: #30 jamesfirecat
Has he done anything insane beside that one thing?
Yes. He insulted Jews, Judaism, Israel and despite his protestations of ignorance, appeared at a fund raiser for an organization which supported terror.
After the fact, he claimed ignorance but that organization had already been designated as such. It also appears as if he never apologized for his remarks.
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darthstar Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:58:27pm |
re: #36 BigPapa
What a great at bat by Renteria.
Shierholtz would have had two RBIs if it wasn't for that nice dive by the centerfielder...but the Giants are getting their bats on the ball, and the Rangers pitcher has thrown 44 pitches in two innings
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 5:59:08pm |
re: #29 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. He's a decent musician, but his politics are not sane. If your theme is "Restoring Sanity", you need to make sure you keep nuts off the stage.
He's far better than decent. He had recorded 3 multi-platinum and 1 gold album back to back when he quite literally disappeared from the music scene.
Actually he had a near death experience. Twice in his life. He had a disease when he was a little boy and almost died. Tuberculosis? I don't remember. Then he almost drowned as a young adult. I think he found Islam through that experience. He always had (has) a poet's heart.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:00:37pm |
re: #41 marjoriemoon
Ear of the Beholder. Never cared for any of his stuff.
/don't tase me, bro
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:00:49pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:01:09pm |
re: #30 jamesfirecat
Has he done anything insane beside that one thing?
That one blasphemy thing was enough. It marks him as a crazy unless and until he renouncing that position.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:01:21pm |
re: #35 Slumbering Behemoth
Gawker - Why We Published the Christine O’Donnell Story.
They use up a lot of space to explain why they did, but it basically boils down to the fact that they believe the Anonymous account to be true.
It's so unbelievably stupid. Who the F cares anyway.
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Ericus58 Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:01:21pm |
re: #32 darthstar
Okay...Fox sports has focused on the Bushes only three times now in the first two innings. I must applaud them for their restraint. I was worried we'd see one of the announcers with his tongue up Barb's ass by the fifth inning...now at least it looks like we'll make it to the seventh.
Up Barb's ass?
You are such a ass for saying that about her.
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bratwurst Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:01:26pm |
re: #34 Killgore Trout
Trainwreck!
I am nearly a lifelong fan, but you are seeing why I will not travel more than about an hour to see him UNLESS it is one of the limited run album shows he's done the last two Septembers.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:01:42pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:03:13pm |
re: #48 Charles
Indeed. I bet Todd will be glad when this is over.
I gotta give him credit for soldiering on.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:03:21pm |
re: #42 Slumbering Behemoth
Ear of the Beholder. Never cared for any of his stuff.
/don't tase me, bro
You would probably have to be a baby boomer to appreciate him. His style of music - folk rock - was pretty much dead by the 80s.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:03:34pm |
re: #44 Dark_Falcon
That one blasphemy thing was enough. It marks him as a crazy unless and until he renouncing that position.
researchok's answer was much better than yours Dark.
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Interesting Times Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:04:45pm |
re: #31 researchok
Nugent definitely rides his own pony. Still, he gives a lot back, out of the limelight. Pretty classy.
Uh...
Iowa paper reports Ted Nugent said, "There's a lot of white people in this crowd -- I like that!"
In a 1977 interview with High Times Magazine:
"I got 30 days' notice of the physical, I ceased cleansing my body. Two weeks before the test I stopped eating food with nutritional value. [presumably to foul his lab tests] A week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. My pants got crusted up."
That's right, in order to avoid serving his country in uniform, this brave son of a former Army Drill Sergeant, lived in his own filth for a week.
Yeah. Classy.
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darthstar Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:05:41pm |
re: #46 Ericus58
Up Barb's ass?
You are such a ass for saying that about her.
Sorry...didn't realize you'd called dibs.
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Ericus58 Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:06:45pm |
re: #53 darthstar
Sorry...didn't realize you'd called dibs.
time for you to go grill a cheese sandwich and "look for a miracle".
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:07:16pm |
re: #45 marjoriemoon
I'm just sorta blown away by the way they "breathlessly" published an anonymous account as if it were fact, and then double down. No integrity, I guess.
On a lighter note, how about some Awww, so cute?
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:07:28pm |
re: #52 publicityStunted
Uh...
Iowa paper reports Ted Nugent said, "There's a lot of white people in this crowd -- I like that!"
Yeah. Classy.
Charming.
///Couldn't he have just claimed to be gay?
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:07:35pm |
They picked Yusef, I'm assuming, because he was a famous Muslim singer that people here would know. I would have been happier had they found another Muslim singer (the world is full of contemporary Muslims...shocka I know....) and maybe even give an unknown a boost up, but they went for the popularity.
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:07:40pm |
re: #52 publicityStunted
Uh...
Iowa paper reports Ted Nugent said, "There's a lot of white people in this crowd -- I like that!"
Yeah. Classy.
It's not like he has a history of that.
And as I noted, he does a lot of good work for vets.
And he's never advocated killing anyone.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:07:48pm |
I have a nearly-full jar of cheap Concord Grape Jam, and no bread whatsoever. What can I do? Suggestions that don't involve going anywhere are thoroughly solicited.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:08:22pm |
re: #52 publicityStunted
Uh...
Iowa paper reports Ted Nugent said, "There's a lot of white people in this crowd -- I like that!"
Yeah. Classy.
LOL You can call Ted a lot of things, but classy isn't one of them.
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bratwurst Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:08:26pm |
re: #48 Charles
Indeed. I bet Todd will be glad when this is over.
re: #49 Killgore Trout
I gotta give him credit for soldiering on.
Honestly, on the scale of bad performances he has given in the past decade this only ranks about a 6 (with 10 being the most putrid). He played a tour with Joe Jackson in 2005 that literally cleared several halls.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:08:31pm |
re: #57 marjoriemoon
They picked Yusef, I'm assuming, because he was a famous Muslim singer that people here would know. I would have been happier had they found another Muslim singer (the world is full of contemporary Muslims...shocka I know...) and maybe even give an unknown a boost up, but they went for the popularity.
Really? I think they went with him for the Peace Train/Crazy train/Love train joke, his religion doesn't even enter into it...
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:09:10pm |
re: #52 publicityStunted
Uh...
Iowa paper reports Ted Nugent said, "There's a lot of white people in this crowd -- I like that!"
Yeah. Classy.
And a lot of people did a lot of weird shit to get out the draft.
He's not so unique in that regard.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:09:15pm |
re: #59 negativ
You got a wife/husband/mate/bed buddy around?
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Charles Johnson Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:09:39pm |
re: #52 publicityStunted
Uh...
Iowa paper reports Ted Nugent said, "There's a lot of white people in this crowd -- I like that!"
Yeah. Classy.
Ted Nugent has appeared on the white nationalist radio show "The Political Cesspool."
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:09:55pm |
re: #58 researchok
And he's never advocated killing anyone.
You mean aside from the President, I assume.
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:10:11pm |
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:10:34pm |
re: #65 Charles
Ted Nugent has appeared on the white nationalist radio show "The Political Cesspool."
I did not know that.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:10:49pm |
re: #64 Slumbering Behemoth
You got a wife/husband/mate/bed buddy around?
I have no friends and no living family members.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:10:57pm |
re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm just sorta blown away by the way they "breathlessly" published an anonymous account as if it were fact, and then double down. No integrity, I guess.
On a lighter note, how about some Awww, so cute?
Back atcha.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:11:47pm |
re: #69 negativ
And no bread. :(
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:11:56pm |
re: #62 jamesfirecat
Really? I think they went with him for the Peace Train/Crazy train/Love train joke, his religion doesn't even enter into it...
I have no idea how that worked out. I could be dead wrong.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:12:50pm |
re: #35 Slumbering Behemoth
Gawker - Why We Published the Christine O’Donnell Story.
They use up a lot of space to explain why they did, but it basically boils down to the fact that they believe the Anonymous account to be true.
So what? It's NOT A STORY. She's a grown woman who went to a party, had some drinks, made out with a guy, and told him she didn't want to have sex.
This is a non-event.
The only reason to publish it was to humiliate her. That's inappropriate.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:12:52pm |
re: #59 negativ
No bread of any kind?
I think it's good mixed with fried eggs... makes 'em green too!
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Interesting Times Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:13:50pm |
re: #58 researchok
It's not like he has a history of that.
And as I noted, he does a lot of good work for vets.
And he's never advocated killing anyone.
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:14:13pm |
re: #59 negativ
I have a nearly-full jar of cheap Concord Grape Jam, and no bread whatsoever. What can I do? Suggestions that don't involve going anywhere are thoroughly solicited.
Pie!
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Gus Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:14:18pm |
re: #52 publicityStunted
Uh...
Iowa paper reports Ted Nugent said, "There's a lot of white people in this crowd -- I like that!"
Yeah. Classy.
Amazing isn't it? Then he and his ilk go about putting on this front of being all gung ho and supporting war and lambasting the peace movement. Nugent falls in that category and there he was living in his own excrement for weeks to avoid the draft. Then they get mad when they're called chickenhawks.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:15:20pm |
I'll let you guys laugh at me..I went out and bought some wicked HP speakers for the desktop this morning..So I hook them up and..nothing..
mmm...must be the sound driver..Checked it out..reloaded..Still nothing..
I got frustrated..Well they are USB powered maybe a bad USB port..Swaped ports..Nothing..Now I'm getting pissed..
Turns out there is a on/off switch behind the the speakers..Red face
Don't you judge me! LOL
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:15:48pm |
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:16:13pm |
re: #72 marjoriemoon
I have no idea how that worked out. I could be dead wrong.
Jon Stewart and Colbert were arguing over what the theme of the rally is. Cat Stevens who wrote Peace Train comes out to play that song for Jon. He gets interrupted by Ozzy playing Crazy train for Colbert. They argue for a bit and managed to agree to a middle ground as the guy who wrote love train comes out and plays that...
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:16:26pm |
re: #78 HoosierHoops
I'll let you guys laugh at me..I went out and bought some wicked HP speakers for the desktop this morning..So I hook them up and..nothing..
mmm...must be the sound driver..Checked it out..reloaded..Still nothing..
I got frustrated..Well they are USB powered maybe a bad USB port..Swaped ports..Nothing..Now I'm getting pissed..
Turns out there is a on/off switch behind the the speakers..Red face
Don't you judge me! LOL
There's a reason all the phone-in IT support scripts have what appear to be a bunch of stupid questions in them right at the start. ;)
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:16:28pm |
re: #75 publicityStunted
If he really meant it, why hasn't there been all kinds of noise about this?
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prairiefire Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:16:40pm |
Halloween candy, sorted:[Link: imgur.com...]
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:17:13pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:17:27pm |
re: #78 HoosierHoops
You are probably the first person in history that has ever happened to.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:18:10pm |
re: #81 oaktree
There's a reason all the phone-in IT support scripts have what appear to be a bunch of stupid questions in them right at the start. ;)
But..But.. I'm in IT! Stupid Hoosier!
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:18:21pm |
re: #67 researchok
When did he do that?
Obama is a piece of shit and needs to suck on my machine gun.
Also "Hillary".
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:18:21pm |
re: #82 researchok
If he really meant it, why hasn't there been all kinds of noise about this?
Don't bring that weak-ass argument here.
"IF I DON'T SEE IT, ITS NOT ILLEGAL!"
H-Simpson.
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Ericus58 Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:19:31pm |
re: #86 HoosierHoops
But..But.. I'm in IT! Stupid Hoosier!
Well, don't let it worry too much... it's not like you ended up being recorded talking to an online tech support guy about it ;)
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:19:33pm |
re: #86 HoosierHoops
But..But.. I'm in IT! Stupid Hoosier!
Hehehe. I've done my share of "stupid IT tricks" when programming.
BTW, has Winston recovered from the exciting football Saturday in Norman?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:20:01pm |
re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist
That's even if it's true. I tend not to trust anonymous stories even after the anonymous have been outed.
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bratwurst Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:20:07pm |
Want to hear something crazy? There is a thread on the Rundgren fan board in which several fans are saying how GOOD this show is! I am not kidding!
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:20:48pm |
re: #87 negativ
[Video]
Also "Hillary".
Oh, yeah, he meant that literally.
So I take you are outraged at anyone who threatens a president?
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albusteve Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:21:10pm |
Nugent is a frothing lunatic...his music never elevated beyond a reasonable garage band...no matter his politics, he has no class, no style and no taste just like his guitar playing....he's a monster jerk to anybody that disagrees with him
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:21:49pm |
re: #88 jamesfirecat
Don't bring that weak-ass argument here.
"IF I DON'T SEE IT, ITS NOT ILLEGAL!"
H-Simpson.
Not at all. He's not the first rocker to say outrageous shit. Why is he different?
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:22:12pm |
re: #80 jamesfirecat
Jon Stewart and Colbert were arguing over what the theme of the rally is. Cat Stevens who wrote Peace Train comes out to play that song for Jon. He gets interrupted by Ozzy playing Crazy train for Colbert. They argue for a bit and managed to agree to a middle ground as the guy who wrote love train comes out and plays that...
Ahhh... ok well then. Never mind :p
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jaunte Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:22:18pm |
re: #92 bratwurst
He might have done better to be the composer/lecturer/singer and let some of the students play his music.
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:22:22pm |
re: #94 albusteve
Nugent is a frothing lunatic...his music never elevated beyond a reasonable garage band...no matter his politics, he has no class, no style and no taste just like his guitar playing...he's a monster jerk to anybody that disagrees with him
I agree. As I said, he is a first class whack job.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:22:48pm |
re: #90 oaktree
Hehehe. I've done my share of "stupid IT tricks" when programming.
BTW, has Winston recovered from the exciting football Saturday in Norman?
hehe pretty crazy here last night...We live 2 blocks from the stadium and the count was about 82000 plus fans..Drove him crazy!
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:23:44pm |
re: #93 researchok
Oh, yeah, he meant that literally.
So I take you are outraged at anyone who threatens a president?
I sense a Tu Quoque headed our way....
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:23:54pm |
re: #91 Slumbering Behemoth
And I definitely do not trust "Guess who I poked, hurr hurr" stories to be true.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:24:38pm |
re: #80 jamesfirecat
Jon Stewart and Colbert were arguing over what the theme of the rally is. Cat Stevens who wrote Peace Train comes out to play that song for Jon. He gets interrupted by Ozzy playing Crazy train for Colbert. They argue for a bit and managed to agree to a middle ground as the guy who wrote love train comes out and plays that...
I haven't been paying as close attention to politics this last week like I usually do. I'm finding this is a typical response for me around election time. I kind of tune out about a week or so before. Otherwise, I think my head will explode. It really stresses me out. I know who I'm voting and that's enough.
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:25:00pm |
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:25:03pm |
re: #95 researchok
Not at all. He's not the first rocker to say outrageous shit. Why is he different?
Do you feel as blase about Cat Steven's comments?
| 106 |
What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:25:24pm |
| 107 |
What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:26:41pm |
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:26:52pm |
re: #99 HoosierHoops
Wow. That is REALLY close. Live within a 1/2 mile of the stadium myself. Unfortunately, assignments have been a menace. But, that's college.
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:28:03pm |
re: #105 jamesfirecat
Do you feel as blase about Cat Steven's comments?
Nope. Stevens remarks were serious and not made to make headlines or garner attention. That's why he tried to brush them off later on.
Nugent's remarks were meant to outrage. He succeeded.
Just like remarks made by other entertainment types
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:28:22pm |
re: #88 jamesfirecat
Don't bring that weak-ass argument here.
"IF I DON'T SEE IT, ITS NOT ILLEGAL!"
H-Simpson.
Put your hands on your face
And cover up your eyes
Don't look until I signal
Peek-a-boo!
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:28:46pm |
re: #108 ProLifeLiberal
Wow. That is REALLY close. Live within a 1/2 mile of the stadium myself. Unfortunately, assignments have been a menace. But, that's college.
Really? We should touch base sometime..I live by the old O'connells
| 112 |
Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:28:48pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:29:06pm |
re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist
So what? It's NOT A STORY. She's a grown woman who went to a party, had some drinks, made out with a guy, and told him she didn't want to have sex.
This is a non-event.
The only reason to publish it was to humiliate her. That's inappropriate.
Agreed. It's the kind of rotten tactic some people use against women they don't like. Imply she's a "slut", a "tease" or a "prude"; Whatever you want to imply she's disagreeable. Its ugly and Gawker's staff should be ashamed of themselves.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:29:07pm |
re: #109 researchok
Nope. Stevens remarks were serious and not made to make headlines or garner attention. That's why he tried to brush them off later on.
Nugent's remarks were meant to outrage. He succeeded.
Just like remarks made by other entertainment types
How do you tell the difference between a serious remark and an remark that is "meant to outrage"?
Is it only press coverage?
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Gus Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:29:58pm |
re: #77 Gus 802
Amazing isn't it? Then he and his ilk go about putting on this front of being all gung ho and supporting war and lambasting the peace movement. Nugent falls in that category and there he was living in his own excrement for weeks to avoid the draft. Then they get mad when they're called chickenhawks.
Then in a more modest vein there's the case of pro-war candidate and former Senator Norm Coleman who was contrasted against Al Franken -- the latter of which is still to this day criticized for being anti-war. Of course the history isn't there with Coleman.
When confronted with the possibility of have to fight in a war he was part of the anti-war left in his younger years: "Carting a bullhorn around campus, he'd regularly lecture students about the immorality of the Nixon administration and the Vietnam War." Norm Coleman received a draft deferment for the the Vietnam War.
People need to remember that the next time they bring up the Al Franken stole the election meme. Norm Coleman was an anti-war protester who weaseled his way out of being drafted for the Vietnam War. Heck, even Franken has been closer to war having been a USO volunteer since 1999.
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:30:37pm |
re: #112 Obdicut
Yes he does.
[Link: www.sodahead.com...]
I was unaware of that.
Still, he hardly unique in that regard. Shock and outrage are part of the business.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:31:13pm |
re: #116 researchok
I was unaware of that.
Still, he hardly unique in that regard. Shock and outrage are part of the business.
Dude cut your losses and call this guy a slime bag.
| 118 |
researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:31:13pm |
re: #114 jamesfirecat
How do you tell the difference between a serious remark and an remark that is "meant to outrage"?
Is it only press coverage?
Pretty much.
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Interesting Times Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:31:58pm |
re: #116 researchok
I was unaware of that.
Still, he hardly unique in that regard. Shock and outrage are part of the business.
How about statutory rape?
-The Nuge’s one admitted vice is women. When he’s not threatening to assassinate them, he’s fucking them. He likes a lot of them, and he likes them young. In fact, in order to once avoid likely statutory rape charges in 1978, he bought off the parents of his 17-year-old girlfriend, so that they would sign over the rights of legal guardianship to him, and he could continue to sleep with her without consequences.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:32:17pm |
re: #118 researchok
Pretty much.
So if I say f*** Glenn Beck in the ass with an iron shod spike, and nobody pays attention to me then I was only saying it on purpose to outrage and shouldn't be taken as seriously as I was if there was a press coverage...
I don't think you should be using something as ficel as our modern day media to tell what people mean seriously and what they don't....
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:32:54pm |
re: #120 publicityStunted
How about statutory rape?
LOLOL
You think only Nugent has those kinds of problems?
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:32:59pm |
re: #116 researchok
I was unaware of that.
Still, he hardly unique in that regard. Shock and outrage are part of the business.
Part of what business? The music business?
It's part of some people's repertoire. The assholes. It's not part of the business unless they choose to make it part of the business.
He appears at political events, too-- so I think that rather changes it from 'just business', if nothing else does.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:34:03pm |
re: #109 researchok
Nope. Stevens remarks were serious and not made to make headlines or garner attention. That's why he tried to brush them off later on.
Nugent's remarks were meant to outrage. He succeeded.
Just like remarks made by other entertainment types
Nugent is a #1 certified asshole. I don't care how many vets he's helped. Goodie for him. I happen to like his old music. And that's just how it is for me.
I read this years ago, although the Rolling Stone article doesn't exist anymore, but the wiki captured it.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
In a 2000 Rolling Stone magazine interview:
I'm very sad that this seems to be the No. 1 question people want to discuss. I had nothing to do with the issue other than what the media created. I was innocently drawn into the whole controversy. So, after many years, I'm glad at least now that I have been given the opportunity to explain to the public and fans my side of the story in my own words. At a lecture, back in 1989, I was asked a question about blasphemy according to Islamic Law, I simply repeated the legal view according to my limited knowledge of the Scriptural texts, based directly on historical commentaries of the Qur'an. The next day the newspaper headlines read, "Cat Says, Kill Rushdie." I was abhorred [appalled?], but what could I do? I was a new Muslim. If you ask a Bible student to quote the legal punishment of a person who commits blasphemy in the Bible, he would be dishonest if he didn't mention Leviticus 24:16. [3]
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bratwurst Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:34:06pm |
re: #101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They do love their "Runt".
So do I...but open your freakin ears! Now that he is being accompanied on the big Wurlitzer and can focus on singing, the show has improved dramatically.
| 126 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:34:09pm |
Can we all just agree that Nugent and Stevens are total dicks?
/net nanny
Stevens is worse, though. :P
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:34:43pm |
re: #121 jamesfirecat
So if I say f*** Glenn Beck in the ass with an iron shod spike, and nobody pays attention to me then I was only saying it on purpose to outrage and shouldn't be taken as seriously as I was if there was a press coverage...
I don't think you should be using something as ficel as our modern day media to tell what people mean seriously and what they don't...
You aren't a public or notable figure.
| 128 |
jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:35:24pm |
re: #122 researchok
LOLOL
You think only Nugent has those kinds of problems?
Let me spot you some help wheel of Fortune Style
R-m-n P-l-nsk-
By the way how does it feel to be brushing of the crime of a man who seems to f*** teenagers?
| 129 |
Gus Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:35:33pm |
Another one.
Except for a lapse of several months, Selective Service records show presidential adviser Karl Rove escaped the draft for nearly three years at the height of the Vietnam War using student deferments....[Rover's]draft record and accounts from friends reveal a young man who didn't necessarily agree with the war and managed to avoid being drafted.
Three deferments. There's plenty more like him.
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joest73 Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:35:53pm |
re: #65 Charles
Ted Nugent has appeared on the white nationalist radio show "The Political Cesspool."
I don't think Nugent is smart enough to know those kind of details. He is a hack guitar play who wishes he was as good as Eddie Van Halen back in the day.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:35:57pm |
re: #120 publicityStunted
How about statutory rape?
That's kind of a fine line, but Ted did seem to like barely legal girls.
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:36:00pm |
re: #126 Slumbering Behemoth
Can we all just agree that Nugent and Stevens are total dicks?
/net nannyStevens is worse, though. :P
No. The idea is to excoriate Nugent because he's a whack job righty.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:36:30pm |
re: #125 bratwurst
So do I...but open your freakin ears! Now that he is being accompanied on the big Wurlitzer and can focus on singing, the show has improved dramatically.
That performance of "Pretending to Care" almost redeemed the rest of the show.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:36:55pm |
re: #129 Gus 802
Another one.
Three deferments. There's plenty more like him.
I hear Dick Cheney had a hear defect....
///In the sense that he doesn't have one...
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:37:01pm |
re: #126 Slumbering Behemoth
Can we all just agree that Nugent and Stevens are total dicks?
/net nannyStevens is worse, though. :P
I second the motion.
| 136 |
Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:37:48pm |
| 138 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:38:10pm |
re: #134 jamesfirecat
No downding, but that ain't really funny,
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Gus Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:38:39pm |
re: #134 jamesfirecat
I hear Dick Cheney had a hear defect...
///In the sense that he doesn't have one...
He got a "graduate school deferment." I'll assume then that he didn't have heart problems at the time. If that was the case then it's a legitimate deferment. Apparently that's not the case. Newt Gingrich also got a grad school deferment.
| 140 |
jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:39:25pm |
re: #138 Dark_Falcon
No downding, but that ain't really funny,
Sorry my bad Dick Cheney just had "other priorities in the '60s than military service."
| 141 |
goddamnedfrank Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:40:00pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:40:17pm |
re: #134 jamesfirecat
I hear Dick Cheney had a hear defect...
///In the sense that he doesn't have one...
You do know, don't you, that right now he essentially truly does not have a heart? He has a pump circulating his blood . . .
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:40:33pm |
re: #138 Dark_Falcon
No downding, but that ain't really funny,
Would it help if I said that Dick Cheney is one of the few Republicans left I respect because he's willing to alter he refuses to let his principles get in the way of certain obvious moral imperatives like loving ones family?
| 144 |
Charles Johnson Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:40:36pm |
re: #132 researchok
No. The idea is to excoriate Nugent because he's a whack job righty.
Appearing on "The Political Cesspool" is a serious statement. And not a good one. It's an overtly white nationalist show, run by an avowed racist.
As far as I'm concerned, Ted Nugent and Cat Stevens are equally insane, and for many of the same reasons.
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Gus Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:40:39pm |
The short list:
Sean Hannity (FOX): did not serve.
Bill O'Reilly: (FOX): did not serve.
Glenn Beck (FOX): did not serve.
Carl Cameron (FOX): did not serve.
Steven James Doocy (FOX): did not serve.
Brian Kilmeade (FOX): did not serve.
"Chris" Wallace (FOX): did not serve.
Matt Drudge: did not serve.
Steve Forbes: did not serve.
Michael "Savage" Weiner: did not serve.
Brit Hume (FOX): did not serve.
Roger Ailes (FOX): did not serve.
Dinesh D'Souza did not serve.
Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Ralph Reed: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.
Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
Anne Coulter: did not serve.
Jerry Falwell: did not serve.
Alan Keyes : did not serve.
Ted Nugent: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Neil Boortz : did not serve.
"PJ" O'Rourke : did not serve.
Paul Harvey: did not serve.
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:41:14pm |
re: #137 researchok
Not you.
Okay, but, um, what's wrong with excorciating Nugent for being a right-wing whackjob? He really, really is a whackjob. I think his 'right-wing'-ness is the kind that makes any decent conservative wince and say, "He's just an asshole, he's not ours."
Nugent on rape:
“Anybody that doesn’t think it is better to blow someone’s brains out than to be raped, deserves to be raped! If you don’t think your life is worth it then please go out there, don’t wear any underpants and get RAPED!! Cuz you deserve it…”
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:41:14pm |
re: #142 reine.de.tout
You do know, don't you, that right now he essentially truly does not have a heart? He has a pump circulating his blood . . .
Yeah I know, the question is does that make the joke funnier or ehh kind of sad...
| 148 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:41:54pm |
re: #147 jamesfirecat
Yeah I know, the question is does that make the joke funnier or ehh kind of sad...
Well . . . in my mind, makes it just wrong.
| 149 |
jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:42:05pm |
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JeffFX Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:42:14pm |
re: #144 Charles
Appearing on "The Political Cesspool" is a serious statement. And not a good one. It's an overtly white nationalist show, run by an avowed racist.
As far as I'm concerned, Ted Nugent and Cat Stevens are equally insane, and for many of the same reasons.
Cool that the show has an honest name, rather than the "Liberty Freedom Show" or somesuch.
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Gus Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:42:40pm |
re: #145 Gus 802
The short list:
Continues:
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Richard Perle: did not serve.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
Ari Fleischer: did not serve.
Andrew Card: did not serve.
Ken Adelman: did not serve.
Wayne LaPierre did not serve.
Don Evans: did not serve.
Michael Ledeen: did not serve.
Lewis "Scooter" Libby: did not serve.
Frank J. Gaffney, Jr. did not serve.
John Bolton: did not serve.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Frank I. Luntz: did not serve.
Grover Norquist: did not serve.
David Alan Stockman: did not serve.
Roger Stone: did not serve.
Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.: did not serve.
Gary Bauer: did not serve.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:42:44pm |
re: #93 researchok
Oh, yeah, he meant that literally.
So I take you are outraged at anyone who threatens a president?
Threatening, even tangentially, a president is not the fast track to my Christmas card list, no.
I'm really really SERIOUSLY curious why you're having a hard time conceding that, on at least one documented occasion, Ted Nugent might have exhibited reprehensible asshole-ish behavior. I don't understand the investment you seem to have.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:43:08pm |
re: #148 reine.de.tout
Well . . . in my mind, makes it just wrong.
mean spirited, in a not caring about human life and suffering sort of way.
Just wrong.
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:43:43pm |
re: #144 Charles
Appearing on "The Political Cesspool" is a serious statement. And not a good one. It's an overtly white nationalist show, run by an avowed racist.
As far as I'm concerned, Ted Nugent and Cat Stevens are equally insane, and for many of the same reasons.
I said the same thing early on.
Still, I didn't realize just how whacked out Nugent was. The Political Cesspool thing is pretty outrageous. They are not an unknown quantity.
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JeffFX Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:44:36pm |
re: #148 reine.de.tout
Well . . . in my mind, makes it just wrong.
I'm just freaking amazed that people can be kept alive with a blood pump! It's astonishing how far we've come technologically in my lifetime.
| 157 |
Gus Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:44:51pm |
re: #147 jamesfirecat
Yeah I know, the question is does that make the joke funnier or ehh kind of sad...
Oh, I didn't see it as a joke. Maybe I'm still asleep. I though you said "hear" as in "hearing." Anyway. He got a deferment.
| 158 |
What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:45:05pm |
re: #132 researchok
No. The idea is to excoriate Nugent because he's a whack job righty.
Right or left had nothing to do with it. Let's look at this then.
Islam wants to kill one innocent man for what he considers a blasphemy. Or at least he made that statement 20 years ago.
Nugent wants to kill Mexicans fleeing tyranny, poverty and abuse for a country with freedom. And he made that today? This week?
Who is the more evil one?
| 159 |
jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:45:19pm |
re: #148 reine.de.tout
Well . . . in my mind, makes it just wrong.
Tell you what I'll close this discussion with a sign....
Oh wait I can't find it, it was a shot of Dick Cheney leaving the white house in a wheel chair and it said "Dick Cheny is not Darth Vader... but he may be Mr. Potts.
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:45:35pm |
re: #152 negativ
Threatening, even tangentially, a president is not the fast track to my Christmas card list, no.
I'm really really SERIOUSLY curious why you're having a hard time conceding that, on at least one documented occasion, Ted Nugent might have exhibited reprehensible asshole-ish behavior. I don't understand the investment you seem to have.
I don't have any investment. Early in I noted he was a whack job.
I am glad to hear you say that anyone who crosses the line is on your shit list.
| 161 |
bratwurst Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:46:22pm |
re: #133 Charles
That performance of "Pretending to Care" almost redeemed the rest of the show.
Agreed. Beloved Infidel too. Here is the set list in case anyone wants to go back and find out what the earlier songs were SUPPOSED TO sound like:
Love of the Common Man
Cliche
Hammer in My Heart
The Goes My Inspiration
A Dream Goes On Forever
Song of the Viking
It Wouldn't Have Made Any Difference
Free, Male and 21
Drunken Blue Rooster
Don't You Ever Learn?
Compassion
I Saw The Light (With a Twist version)
You've Got to Hide Your Love Away
Beloved Infidel
Pretending to Care
One World
The Wheel
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:46:27pm |
re: #156 JeffFX
I'm just freaking amazed that people can be kept alive with a blood pump! It's astonishing how far we've come technologically in my lifetime.
It seems to be something that's done to put a person "on hold" until a heart transplant can be arranged. Very iffy, as to how long he can last with it.
| 163 |
researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:47:01pm |
re: #158 marjoriemoon
Right or left had nothing to do with it. Let's look at this then.
Islam wants to kill one innocent man for what he considers a blasphemy. Or at least he made that statement 20 years ago.
Nugent wants to kill Mexicans fleeing tyranny, poverty and abuse for a country with freedom. And he made that today? This week?
Who is the more evil one?
Islam is very comfortable with organizations who promote genocide and anti semitism
I'll just leave it at that.
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:47:55pm |
re: #155 researchok
Really, pretty much every damn thing he's ever said is fucking terrible.
Yeah they love me (in Japan) – they’re still assholes. These people they don’t know what life is. I don’t have a following, they need me; they don’t like me they need me… Foreigners are assholes; foreigners are scum; I don’t like ‘em; I don’t want ‘em in this country; I don’t want ‘em selling me doughnuts; I don’t want ‘em pumping my gas; I don’t want ‘em downwind of my life-OK? So anyhow-and I’m dead serious…
He's not just anti-illegal immigrant. He's anti-immigrant.
...apartheid isn’t that cut-and-dry. All men are not created equal. The preponderance of South Africa is a different breed of man…They still put bones in their noses, they still walk around naked, they wipe their butts with their hands. And when I kill an antelope for ‘em, their preference is the gut pile. That’s what they fucking want to eat, the intestines. These are different people. You give them toothpaste, they fucking eat it.
And racist as fuck.
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Interesting Times Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:48:14pm |
re: #146 Obdicut
Nugent on rape: “Anybody that doesn’t think it is better to blow someone’s brains out than to be raped, deserves to be raped! If you don’t think your life is worth it then please go out there, don’t wear any underpants and get RAPED!! Cuz you deserve it…”
| 167 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:48:31pm |
re: #159 jamesfirecat
Tell you what I'll close this discussion with a sign...
Oh wait I can't find it, it was a shot of Dick Cheney leaving the white house in a wheel chair and it said "Dick Cheny is not Darth Vader... but he may be Mr. Potts.
Well, go on ahead, then.
But know that I will never believe you, if you ever try to convince me that as a liberal, you are more caring about people than conservatives.
It just isn't coming through.
| 168 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:48:47pm |
| 169 |
JeffFX Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:48:47pm |
re: #162 reine.de.tout
It seems to be something that's done to put a person "on hold" until a heart transplant can be arranged. Very iffy, as to how long he can last with it.
I believe so too, and think he's probably screwed, but you sure can't say he hasn't had a full life. Even without the politics, he's lived to have grandchildren, and that's something a lot of us don't do.
| 170 |
jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:49:31pm |
re: #163 researchok
Islam is very comfortable with organizations who promote genocide and anti semitism
I'll just leave it at that.
Some radical versions of Islam are very comfortable with organizations who promote genocide and anti-semitism.
Is there anything in the Koran which is openly worse /angrier at the Jews than the stuff in the Bible?
| 172 |
researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:50:02pm |
re: #165 Obdicut
Really, pretty much every damn thing he's ever said is fucking terrible.
He's not just anti-illegal immigrant. He's anti-immigrant.
And racist as fuck.
Yup
He is what he is. I didn't know a lot of this stuff.
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:50:36pm |
re: #170 jamesfirecat
Is there anything in the Koran which is openly worse /angrier at the Jews than the stuff in the Bible?
...
There really isn't anything antisemitic in the Old Testament, certainly. And there really isn't anything antisemitic in the New Testament either.
What do you mean?
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darthstar Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:50:47pm |
Freddy.Fucking.Sanchez. Great stop to prevent a double, followed by another great stop and tagging out the runner, and then hooking up with Posey to nail an attempted steal after the assholes from Fox say "he has a great start for the steal!" They weren't expecting that.
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:50:58pm |
re: #172 researchok
Okay. So you understand my severe surprise when you say it's just part of the business.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:51:37pm |
re: #167 reine.de.tout
Well, go on ahead, then.
But know that I will never believe you, if you ever try to convince me that as a liberal, you are more caring about people than conservatives.It just isn't coming through.
The "People" are an unkown quality.
Dick Cheney is a person and a relatively known quality.
I can care about people as an expression of compassion and optimism without having to care about each and every person some of whom may not deserve my pity/care.
Besides as you probably may have noticed by now making jokes about people is my default setting....
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:52:23pm |
re: #170 jamesfirecat
Some radical versions of Islam are very comfortable with organizations who promote genocide and anti-semitism.
Is there anything in the Koran which is openly worse /angrier at the Jews than the stuff in the Bible?
Yes,
The Torah is no longer taught as a text that promotes genocide, racism, slavery, intolerance, etc.
In large parts of the world, Islam is taught in ways that promote those ideas
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:52:36pm |
re: #176 jamesfirecat
Making jokes about people's health is generally not a good idea, though. It's something they can't control over, and it comes very close to the "He's unhealthy because he's sinful" aspect that extreme religious people pull.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:53:10pm |
re: #171 Obdicut
Who is Mr. Potts?
The villain in "Its a Wonderful Life.
Sorry meant that to be Mr. Potter... this wouldn't have happened if I could have found the sign....
Here's one in the same vein though...
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:53:16pm |
re: #165 Obdicut
Really, pretty much every damn thing he's ever said is fucking terrible.
He's not just anti-illegal immigrant. He's anti-immigrant.
And racist as fuck.
Wish I could disagree, but I cannot. Ted Nugent has a very serious problem with black people. And its not with gangs or rap, he dislikes them as a race. That attitude cannot be called anything but racism.
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:53:17pm |
re: #177 researchok
That's a lot better than just saying "Islam."
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:53:38pm |
re: #175 Obdicut
Okay. So you understand my severe surprise when you say it's just part of the business.
Yes.
Still, shock is a way that celebs stay on the front pages.
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:54:05pm |
re: #179 jamesfirecat
Okay, James.
What the fuck?
Of all the things to mock Cheney for, mocking him for a physical infirmity is just stupid. It's something he has no control over, and it-- intentionally or not-- mocks everyone else who has the same condition.
Do you get that?
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:54:05pm |
ok.
in short -
A) By sheer dumb luck more of the current GOP leadership & shills that supported that supported the Vietnam War should have served in it than actually did. Particularly in relation to the cheerleaders for the Iraq war - the vast majority seem never to have served.
B) I wish Mr Cheney, for the sake of his family, a speedy recovery.
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:54:29pm |
re: #182 researchok
No, it's not. It's a way that some celebrities stay on the front pages.
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:54:40pm |
re: #181 Obdicut
That's a lot better than just saying "Islam."
I was referring to Yusuf Islam.
I should have just stuck with Cat Stevens.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:54:43pm |
re: #178 Obdicut
Making jokes about people's health is generally not a good idea, though. It's something they can't control over, and it comes very close to the "He's unhealthy because he's sinful" aspect that extreme religious people pull.
Fair enough.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:55:14pm |
I think it's time to insert Black Sabbath.
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:55:17pm |
re: #187 researchok
Ah. Yes, that is a very important distinction to make.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:56:07pm |
re: #173 Obdicut
...
There really isn't anything antisemitic in the Old Testament, certainly. And there really isn't anything antisemitic in the New Testament either.
What do you mean?
Well last time I checked, there are at least some (probably not very many, but some) Christians who blame the Jews for killing/betraying Jesus....
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:56:31pm |
re: #189 negativ
I think it's time to insert Black Sabbath.
[Video]
there is an hour long documentary on the making of Paranoid now on the uk bbc channels :-0
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:56:38pm |
re: #176 jamesfirecat
The "People" are an unkown quality.
Dick Cheney is a person and a relatively known quality.
I can care about people as an expression of compassion and optimism without having to care about each and every person some of whom may not deserve my pity/care.
Besides as you probably may have noticed by now making jokes about people is my default setting...
What a bunch of babble!
Who are you to judge that Person A "deserves" your compassion, but Person B does not?
It's entirely possible to disagree with a lot of folks, think they are terrible people, and still have compassion and sympathy for their illnesses or struggles.
Caring about "people" in general and not people specifically sure goes a long way toward letting one off the hook in lending a helping hand to individuals who need it, doesn't it? Just throw some money at someone else who'll take care of it . . . you "care" without having to really do anything. Wow. Disappointed, I am.
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albusteve Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:59:08pm |
re: #188 jamesfirecat
Fair enough.
your time will come...then you will remember all the people you dumped on for no reason
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:59:18pm |
re: #192 wozzablog
formal title of show, please?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 6:59:32pm |
Looks like Breitbart misunderstood his invitation to appear on ABC
Email Reveals ABC News Walked Back ‘Bigs’ Publisher Participation in Election Night Coverage
Heh.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:00:01pm |
re: #196 Killgore Trout
Looks like Breitbart misunderstood his invitation to appear on ABC
Email Reveals ABC News Walked Back ‘Bigs’ Publisher Participation in Election Night Coverage
Heh.
He misunderstood?
I think you're being kind.
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:00:17pm |
re: #191 jamesfirecat
Well last time I checked, there are at least some (probably not very many, but some) Christians who blame the Jews for killing/betraying Jesus...
Yes. But that is isn't antisemitism in the New Testament. All of the heroes in the New Testament are also Jewish, as is Jesus. That's just who's there.
In fact, the antisemitism that so typified Christianity for hundreds and hundreds of years is all the more contemptible and assholish because there is so little support for it in the Christian Bible. That doesn't mean that Christianity hasn't been the main source of antisemitism; it has been, since Christianity, like Islam, is not defined solely by what the holy texts actually say.
So, it is actually kind of interesting that even though there are portions of the Koran that reflect open warfare with Jews, and there are portions of commentary that are anti-Jewish, that the Islamic world has historically been so much better to the Jews than Christians have-- despite the near-total lack of antisemitism in the Christian bible.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:02:05pm |
re: #195 negativ
formal title of show, please?
Classic Albums. just finished though.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:02:38pm |
re: #197 reine.de.tout
He misunderstood?
I think you're being kind.
Kind would be assuming that ABC News' bookers were all stoned when they decided to let Andrew Breitbart within 5 miles of their news coverage. He's a fraud and should not be given any sort of analysis or commentary role.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:02:49pm |
re: #197 reine.de.tout
He misunderstood?
I think you're being kind.
From looking at the email they mention the online townhall which they are inviting him to along with the network TV coverage. He just assumed he was going to be a bigtime analyst for TV.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:03:15pm |
re: #193 reine.de.tout
What a bunch of babble!
Who are you to judge that Person A "deserves" your compassion, but Person B does not?It's entirely possible to disagree with a lot of folks, think they are terrible people, and still have compassion and sympathy for their illnesses or struggles.
Caring about "people" in general and not people specifically sure goes a long way toward letting one off the hook in lending a helping hand to individuals who need it, doesn't it? Just throw some money at someone else who'll take care of it . . . you "care" without having to really do anything. Wow. Disappointed, I am.
Not that I really want to get into this argument this late at night but here it is.
First of all who am I to judge who gets my compassion or not? I'm me.
I think I have a right to say who I think should get compassion. I do not have a right to speak in this regard for you, anyone else or society in general, but I have a right to say who I feel is worthy of compassion and who is not, in so far as this is only my opinion.
Making jokes is my default setting.
I respect Dick Cheney because of the way that he has handled the issue of his lesbian daughter.
I at times show this respect in correctly by making Darth Vader/OrkTechpriest/Shadowrun jokes about replacing the impurities of flesh with the cold perfection of machine.
These are jokes that I could probably get away with if Dick Cheney was actually my friend but as he isn't I probably shouldn't make them.
Finally as for caring without having to do anything.
You're completely f***ing right. As of this moment I don't believe I've donated any of my own money to any charities out there.
I'm still a newely graduated college student who is working at a start up company for experience, sweat equity, and metro fairs.
I'm sure that I've still got a lot to learn about how the world works, and I get part of that education here at LGF....
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:04:39pm |
re: #202 jamesfirecat
I think you need to hang out with some Quakers for a li'l bit.
Quakers have some good stuff to teach.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:05:00pm |
re: #202 jamesfirecat
Not that I really want to get into this argument this late at night but here it is.
First of all who am I to judge who gets my compassion or not? I'm me.
I think I have a right to say who I think should get compassion. I do not have a right to speak in this regard for you, anyone else or society in general, but I have a right to say who I feel is worthy of compassion and who is not, in so far as this is only my opinion.
Making jokes is my default setting.
I respect Dick Cheney because of the way that he has handled the issue of his lesbian daughter.
I at times show this respect in correctly by making Darth Vader/OrkTechpriest/Shadowrun jokes about replacing the impurities of flesh with the cold perfection of machine.
These are jokes that I could probably get away with if Dick Cheney was actually my friend but as he isn't I probably shouldn't make them.
Finally as for caring without having to do anything.
You're completely f***ing right. As of this moment I don't believe I've donated any of my own money to any charities out there.
I'm still a newely graduated college student who is working at a start up company for experience, sweat equity, and metro fairs.
I'm sure that I've still got a lot to learn about how the world works, and I get part of that education here at LGF...
The attitude that some people are "deserving" of compassion and others are not, is the sort of attitude that got Dr. Tiller shot and killed.
Just think about it.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:05:03pm |
re: #198 Obdicut
Yes. But that is isn't antisemitism in the New Testament. All of the heroes in the New Testament are also Jewish, as is Jesus. That's just who's there.
In fact, the antisemitism that so typified Christianity for hundreds and hundreds of years is all the more contemptible and assholish because there is so little support for it in the Christian Bible. That doesn't mean that Christianity hasn't been the main source of antisemitism; it has been, since Christianity, like Islam, is not defined solely by what the holy texts actually say.
So, it is actually kind of interesting that even though there are portions of the Koran that reflect open warfare with Jews, and there are portions of commentary that are anti-Jewish, that the Islamic world has historically been so much better to the Jews than Christians have-- despite the near-total lack of antisemitism in the Christian bible.
It's like trying to figure out why the Christians who have a kind and loving god have tended to be much more assholish than the Jews who have a much nastier and stricter god...
(This statement made in broad strokes please hold your tomatoes I've already been pelted enough for one night)
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Charles Johnson Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:05:23pm |
re: #196 Killgore Trout
Looks like Breitbart misunderstood his invitation to appear on ABC
Email Reveals ABC News Walked Back ‘Bigs’ Publisher Participation in Election Night Coverage
Heh.
Wow. He's like a guy play-acting at being completely paranoid and melting down in public.
Except he isn't play-acting.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:05:52pm |
re: #204 reine.de.tout
The attitude that some people are "deserving" of compassion and others are not, is the sort of attitude that got Dr. Tiller shot and killed.
Just think about it.
I will.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:06:10pm |
re: #206 Charles
Wow. He's like a guy play-acting at being completely paranoid and melting down in public.
Except he isn't play-acting.
He and Glenn Beck should do improv together.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:07:04pm |
re: #187 researchok
I was referring to Yusuf Islam.
I should have just stuck with Cat Stevens.
Well Yusuf Islam gets no special kudos from me. I forgot about his Muslim aid organizations to questionable sources. He was denied entry into both Israel and the U.S. Apparently, however, someone forgave that if he showed up at that rally. Ok, he's as big an asshole as Ted.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:08:05pm |
re: #204 reine.de.tout
The attitude that some people are "deserving" of compassion and others are not, is the sort of attitude that got Dr. Tiller shot and killed.
Just think about it.
And many charities quite welcome gifts of time from people who have no actual dollars to give. I happen to give both.
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:08:23pm |
re: #206 Charles
Wow. He's like a guy play-acting at being completely paranoid and melting down in public.
Except he isn't play-acting.
He's got the credibility of the 'Boy who called wolf'.
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:08:31pm |
re: #205 jamesfirecat
Because "Lawful Good" is normally just an excuse to declare entire races "Evil" and exterminate them.
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jaunte Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:09:57pm |
re: #201 Killgore Trout
From looking at the email they mention the online townhall which they are inviting him to along with the network TV coverage. He just assumed he was going to be a bigtime analyst for TV.
He's seriously claiming this is about "standing up for the First Amendment."
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Gus Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:11:27pm |
re: #201 Killgore Trout
From looking at the email they mention the online townhall which they are inviting him to along with the network TV coverage. He just assumed he was going to be a bigtime analyst for TV.
Breitbart is such an obnoxious drama queen. Seems like everything he goes near invariably turns into something about him. He's not a political pundit. Not even close. He's a right wing political celebrity with all the charm of Tonya Harding. Drama, drama, drama.
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:11:27pm |
re: #209 marjoriemoon
Well Yusuf Islam gets no special kudos from me. I forgot about his Muslim aid organizations to questionable sources. He was denied entry into both Israel and the U.S. Apparently, however, someone forgave that if he showed up at that rally. Ok, he's as big an asshole as Ted.
See this as well.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:11:38pm |
re: #206 Charles
Wow. He's like a guy play-acting at being completely paranoid and melting down in public.
Except he isn't play-acting.
I wonder how they are going to deal with him. They can't possibly give him the mic without his going on some tirade about being oppressed. My guess is they'll let him attend and ignore him all night.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:11:47pm |
Yusuf Islam denies giving money to Hamas, and after the 9/11 attacks said this -
"No right-thinking follower of Islam could possibly condone such an action. The Koran equates the murder of one innocent person with the murder of the whole of humanity."
Which, if i recall, is pretty much what everybody has wanted Muslims to say.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:12:54pm |
re: #217 wozzablog
and Ted Nugent is a racist bastard.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:13:01pm |
re: #212 Obdicut
Because "Lawful Good" is normally just an excuse to declare entire races "Evil" and exterminate them.
Gawt-damn you D&D nerds!
/and by "gawt" I mean Tiamat. and by "damn" I mean may She devour you with all five of Her Glorious Heads.
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:13:16pm |
re: #213 jaunte
He's seriously claiming this is about "standing up for the First Amendment."
Says a man with his own website after what he did to Sherrod. The only way to defend that is with white noise.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:15:10pm |
re: #219 Slumbering Behemoth
Gawt-damn you D&D nerds!
/and by "gawt" I mean Tiamat. and by "damn" I mean may She devour you with all five of Her Glorious Heads.
Nice try, I've already pledged my warp essence to Tzeentch.
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:16:09pm |
re: #221 jamesfirecat
Your picture did not emerge from the warp.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:16:17pm |
re: #217 wozzablog
Cat Stevens Refuses to Denounce Hamas
Of course he would deny sending money to Hamas. It's illegal.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:16:26pm |
re: #207 jamesfirecat
I will.
I know you will.
Here's a suggestion to consider:
There are organizations in your area that provide services to disabled and handicapped.
Find one.
Donate 2 hours of your time every 2 weeks.
Added bonus: This is a great way to meet other attractive, nice and caring young people, of the opposite sex.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:17:14pm |
re: #222 Obdicut
Your picture did not emerge from the warp.
I'll talk with the astropath and see if this one completes the journey...
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:17:55pm |
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jaunte Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:18:08pm |
re: #220 BigPapa
Breitbart: "I am no stranger to this particular kind of tactic. In fact, my business has been built on the premise of fighting it. Boo, George Soros! Bring it on, John Podesta!
Is this trend of silencing dissenting voices not wholly obvious even to the untrained eye?"
Hurt pride drama!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:18:21pm |
Israel Deports Former Pop Star Cat Stevens
The former British music star, who has gone by the name Yusuf Islam for more than 20 years, landed in Israel on a flight from Germany early on Wednesday. He was held at the airport for several hours and sent back to Germany, government spokesman Moshe Fogel said. Islam, who now sings only for his mosque, had “transferred funds” to Hamas in the past, Fogel told Reuters.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:19:52pm |
re: #228 Killgore Trout
Had Been Barred Before Al-Islam, who recorded hits including “Peace Train” and “Wild World” before converting to Islam in 1977, last visited Israel in 1988. The government claims that during that trip he delivered tens of thousand of dollars to Hamas.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:19:58pm |
Ugh. Upstairs neighbors are having loud relations. Underscoring that I shall be (forever(alone)) Why am I scared of oblivion, again?
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:21:18pm |
re: #230 negativ
Ugh. Upstairs neighbors are having loud relations. Underscoring that I shall be (forever(alone)) Why am I scared of oblivion, again?
Maybe you can get a conductors baton?
(Anybody but me seen Secret of My Success?)
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:21:55pm |
re: #226 Obdicut
Or the same sex.
Whatever works.
heh.
I started to put that then didn't.
But you are correct.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:22:00pm |
re: #215 researchok
Can't forget this hilarious piece of satire.
///
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:22:40pm |
aw, nuts, i missed the fun satanic thread...
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:23:02pm |
re: #228 Killgore Trout
And his diametric opposite:
A scheduled concert in Ramallah was cancelled after Palestinian human-rights activists objected to the fact that Cohen had also scheduled a concert in Tel Aviv, Israel, contrary to a proposed cultural boycott of Israel... It was announced that proceeds from the sale of the 47,000 tickets would go into a charitable fund in partnership with Amnesty International and would be used by Israeli and Palestinian peace groups for projects providing health services to children and bringing together Israeli veterans and former Palestinian fighters and the families of those killed in the conflict.
However on August 17, 2009, Amnesty International released a statement saying they were withdrawing from any involvement with the concert or its proceeds... The Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI) led the call for the boycott, claiming that Cohen "is intent on whitewashing Israel's colonial apartheid regime by performing in Israel."
...
On September 24 at the Ramat Gan Stadium, Israel, Cohen was highly emotional about the Israeli-Palestinian NGO Bereaved Families for Peace. He mentioned the organization twice, saying "It was a while ago that I first heard of the work of the 'Bereaved Parents for Peace'. That there was this coalition of Palestinian and Israeli families who had lost so much in the conflict and whose depth of suffering had compelled them to reach across the border into the houses of the enemy. Into the houses of those, to locate them who had suffered as much as they had, and then to stand with them in aching confraternity, a witness to an understanding that is beyond peace and that is beyond confrontation. So, this is not about forgiving and forgetting, this is not about laying down one's arms in a time of war, this is not even about peace, although, God willing, it could be a beginning. This is about a response to human grief. A radical, unique and holy, holy, holy response to human suffering. Baruch Hashem, thank God, I bow my head in respect to the nobility of this enterprise." At the end of the show he blessed the crowd by the Priestly Blessing, a Jewish blessing offered by Kohanim, Cohen being of the Priestly caste.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:24:23pm |
re: #234 Aceofwhat?
aw, nuts, i missed the fun satanic thread...
Hey!
You sure did! And it was fun.
But I bet you had fun, eh?
Trick or treating with the young 'uns?
A word of caution here in this thread, though:
Go easy on jamesfirecat.
He's had a rough evening.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:25:25pm |
re: #235 Obdicut
Was the NGO in question really lopsided or was Amnesty International just being shitheads?
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:26:54pm |
re: #236 reine.de.tout
Hey!
You sure did! And it was fun.
But I bet you had fun, eh?
Trick or treating with the young 'uns?A word of caution here in this thread, though:
Go easy on jamesfirecat.
He's had a rough evening.
will do.
i'll email you a pic in thirty seconds. anyone else who wants one need only provide an email address...
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researchok Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:27:19pm |
re: #237 Aceofwhat?
Was the NGO in question really lopsided or was Amnesty International just being shitheads?
Shitheads.
Cohen has always promoted peace and tolerance- ideas anathema to many Palestinians and a lot of NGO's.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:27:26pm |
re: #233 Slumbering Behemoth
Can't forget this hilarious piece of satire.
///
... or POS, as it were.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:27:47pm |
re: #168 reine.de.tout
Me either.
I didn't serve. Zedushka didn't serve.
But my dad served in WW2 and my son served in the IDF.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:28:10pm |
re: #212 Obdicut
Because "Lawful Good" is normally just an excuse to declare entire races "Evil" and exterminate them.
Well, sometimes the bad guys declare themselves to be Lawful Good when their real alignment is Chaotic Evil. Ted Nugent is such a one, as is Glenn Beck. I wrote up Beck's D&D stats a while back:
The Silver Gopher
Level 20 Nutcase Radio and TV HostArmor: Complete Insanity (immune to all facts and logic)
Spells:
Force of Illogic: Spins a conspiracy theory so dense and stupid it stuns the players (avoid on a save with +1 difficulty)
Summon Wingnuts (usable every other turn): Summons 2D6 Fevered Wingnuts into the Chamber.
Weapons
Thrown Chalk Eraser: 1D4 damage and the chalk dust Dazes a player (avoid being dazed with a save).Sack of Gold Coins: 2D6 damage (reduce of 33% with a save).
Survival Rifle: 3D6 damage, long ranged attack. 5 shots, then must reload.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:28:32pm |
re: #198 Obdicut
Yes. But that is isn't antisemitism in the New Testament. All of the heroes in the New Testament are also Jewish, as is Jesus. That's just who's there.
In fact, the antisemitism that so typified Christianity for hundreds and hundreds of years is all the more contemptible and assholish because there is so little support for it in the Christian Bible. That doesn't mean that Christianity hasn't been the main source of antisemitism; it has been, since Christianity, like Islam, is not defined solely by what the holy texts actually say.
So, it is actually kind of interesting that even though there are portions of the Koran that reflect open warfare with Jews, and there are portions of commentary that are anti-Jewish, that the Islamic world has historically been so much better to the Jews than Christians have-- despite the near-total lack of antisemitism in the Christian bible.
"After this, Jesus went around in Galilee, purposely staying away from Judea because the Jews there were waiting to take his life." -John 7:1
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." -John 8:44
"The Jews insisted, "We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God."" -John 19:7
"When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."
—Matthew 27:24-25
"For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost." -1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."
—Revelation 3:9
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Varek Raith Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:29:02pm |
I tried to serve in the Navy and AirForce they wouldn't have me.
Migraines+meds=No Captaining for Varek.
:(
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:29:02pm |
re: #238 Aceofwhat?
will do.
i'll email you a pic in thirty seconds. anyone else who wants one need only provide an email address...
Great!
I get to enjoy Halloween by proxy!
Until I have grandchildren . . . not sure I'll live that long, though.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:29:54pm |
re: #242 Dark_Falcon
Well, sometimes the bad guys declare themselves to be Lawful Good when their real alignment is Chaotic Evil. Ted Nugent is such a one, as is Glenn Beck. I wrote up Beck's D&D stats a while back:
Speaking of which you never got beyond the start of civil war woods if memory serves....
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Gus Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:30:15pm |
re: #240 Slumbering Behemoth
... or POS, as it were.
To be honest I remember when Cat Steven was popular. I never liked him since he always came off like an obnoxious douche bag. His fans always talked about him like he was some kind of demigod. Meh, you know how music fans get.
Speaking of music. Methinks that Todd Rundgren needs to hit the woodshed and practice more on the guitar and piano. Talk about straining on the fretboard.
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:30:48pm |
re: #237 Aceofwhat?
They were being accurate; I don't think many of the Palestinian NGOs were willing to go against the boycott, which would have meant the money would have mostly gone to the Israeli ones. I don't actually know what happened with the money; I assume Cohen managed to funnel it to charity.
He also went there to sign up for the war in 1973, but they had him do a USO-style tour instead. He got shelled during it.
He's a good example of someone who is devoutly anti-war but not a fool, either.
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Varek Raith Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:30:48pm |
re: #242 Dark_Falcon
Well, sometimes the bad guys declare themselves to be Lawful Good when their real alignment is Chaotic Evil. Ted Nugent is such a one, as is Glenn Beck. I wrote up Beck's D&D stats a while back:
Chaotic Evil people piss me off.
Mess up the whole system and end up bringing the Lawful Anal paladins down upon us.
Jerks.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:30:52pm |
re: #242 Dark_Falcon
BTW, you D&D nerds are on my shit list again. Why didn't any of you tell me about this? Hilarious!
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:31:30pm |
re: #243 goddamnedfrank
"After this, Jesus went around in Galilee, purposely staying away from Judea because the Jews there were waiting to take his life." -John 7:1
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." -John 8:44
"The Jews insisted, "We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God."" -John 19:7
"When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."
—Matthew 27:24-25"For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost." -1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."
—Revelation 3:9
que?
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:34:24pm |
re: #243 goddamnedfrank
"After this, Jesus went around in Galilee, purposely staying away from Judea because the Jews there were waiting to take his life." -John 7:1
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." -John 8:44
"The Jews insisted, "We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God."" -John 19:7
"When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."
—Matthew 27:24-25"For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost." -1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."
—Revelation 3:9
Can you tell me any of these that is not a Jew speaking to Jews?
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:34:25pm |
re: #245 reine.de.tout
Great!
I get to enjoy Halloween by proxy!
Until I have grandchildren . . . not sure I'll live that long, though.
I could loan you some of mine.
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:34:27pm |
re: #243 goddamnedfrank
Yes, but Frank, the Jews are who are around where the story takes place. That doesn't make those statements antisemitic. I mean, you'll notice they're talking about churches in Judea that are Christian.
Certainly the historical birth of Christianity as a Jewish heresy meant there was historical baggage, but still, there is nothing in the New Testament that can possibly explain the insane amount of anti-semitism that pervaded Christianity.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:34:43pm |
G'night everybody.
Have a good rest of Halloween and sleep well, lest the demons rat-a-tat-tat on the door begging sanctuary, that you may not hear them.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:34:52pm |
re: #241 Alouette
I didn't serve. Zedushka didn't serve.
But my dad served in WW2 and my son served in the IDF.
Ah, yes.
My dad served WW2 (Navy), as did the Roi's dad (Navy), and 2 of my brothers served later (Army, Air Force).
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:35:20pm |
re: #253 Alouette
I could loan you some of mine.
LOL!
OK!
I promise to return them in good working condition.
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Varek Raith Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:35:41pm |
re: #255 wozzablog
G'night everybody.
Have a good rest of Halloween and sleep well, lest the demons rat-a-tat-tat on the door begging sanctuary, that you may not hear them.
My demon gate is well under my control, thankyouverymuch.
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freetoken Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:36:07pm |
re: #254 Obdicut
Certainly the historical birth of Christianity as a Jewish heresy meant there was historical baggage, ...
To say the least!
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:36:38pm |
re: #257 reine.de.tout
LOL!
OK!
I promise to return them in good working condition.
Yeah, but will they leave you in good working condition?
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:37:23pm |
re: #252 ozbloke
Can you tell me any of these that is not a Jew speaking to Jews?
Can you tell me which one wasn't "remembered" and written down by nascent Christians attempting to put words in a Jew's mouth?
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:39:09pm |
re: #254 Obdicut
Yes, but Frank, the Jews are who are around where the story takes place. That doesn't make those statements antisemitic. I mean, you'll notice they're talking about churches in Judea that are Christian.
Certainly the historical birth of Christianity as a Jewish heresy meant there was historical baggage, but still, there is nothing in the New Testament that can possibly explain the insane amount of anti-semitism that pervaded Christianity.
well said
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:39:14pm |
re: #258 Varek Raith
Better watch your back.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:39:36pm |
re: #246 jamesfirecat
Speaking of which you never got beyond the start of civil war woods if memory serves...
I'll try to do that next week. This week is too busy with game prep. I have some miniatures to prime and paint.
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Varek Raith Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:40:00pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:42:54pm |
re: #260 Alouette
Yeah, but will they leave you in good working condition?
I'll be exhausted, and proudly so!
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:43:19pm |
re: #254 Obdicut
Yes, but Frank, the Jews are who are around where the story takes place. That doesn't make those statements antisemitic. I mean, you'll notice they're talking about churches in Judea that are Christian.
Certainly the historical birth of Christianity as a Jewish heresy meant there was historical baggage, but still, there is nothing in the New Testament that can possibly explain the insane amount of anti-semitism that pervaded Christianity.
I thought all the Jews had to die before the Messiah comes in Christianity.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:44:15pm |
re: #267 marjoriemoon
I thought all the Jews had to die before the Messiah comes in Christianity.
Eh? Not something I've ever heard.
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freetoken Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:44:38pm |
re: #267 marjoriemoon
I thought all the Jews had to die before the Messiah comes in Christianity.
'cept for the 144,000...
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:44:48pm |
re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist
Eh? Not something I've ever heard.
I've not heard that either.
And I've been a Christian, gee, all my life.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:45:03pm |
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Varek Raith Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:45:37pm |
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:45:44pm |
re: #261 goddamnedfrank
I think a lot of the problem is that Christianity as Jesus formulated it was an end-times, messianic religion; Jesus was preaching the imminent end of the world. As such, he was seeing himself within the context of the Jewish world and those in the immediate vicinity. The disciples originally expected Jesus's return within their own lifetimes. How much of the writing was changed post-facto to reflect that Jesus was running late we'll never know, of course, but it casts a different aspect over Jesus's death.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:46:12pm |
And wait, isn't O'Donnell supposed to be a Catholic? Where did this anti-Halloween crap come from?
Between her and Beck--it's weird, it's like they're letting fringe Evangelical friends tell them what their religion is supposed to be like.
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Varek Raith Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:47:04pm |
re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist
And wait, isn't O'Donnell supposed to be a Catholic? Where did this anti-Halloween crap come from?
Between her and Beck--it's weird, it's like they're letting fringe Evangelical friends tell them what their religion is supposed to be like.
Or, they really are the fringe types and are just saying they are Catholic.
/conspiracy mode
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:47:06pm |
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freetoken Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:47:46pm |
re: #270 reine.de.tout
In the apocalyptic Pre-millennialism of various (mostly American) fundamentalist/evangelical sects, the doctrines of Dispensationalism call for a separation of the time of the Christians and the time of the restored Israel. To get to that last part there is envisioned great battles culminating at Meggido. Various preachers from these sects teach varieties on this theme, but in most of them there are a whole lot of Jews that get slaughtered, except for the 144,000 who magically get transformed into evangelists.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:48:25pm |
re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist
And wait, isn't O'Donnell supposed to be a Catholic? Where did this anti-Halloween crap come from?
Between her and Beck--it's weird, it's like they're letting fringe Evangelical friends tell them what their religion is supposed to be like.
I think the anti-Halloween stuff comes from across the spectrum. Observant Jews aren't fond of the holiday either. (More of an event really.)
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:48:25pm |
re: #267 marjoriemoon
I thought all the Jews had to die before the Messiah comes in Christianity.
That comes from one interpretation of Revelations, the craziest book of the New Testament.
I really wish one of the bible committees had thrown that one out. I think it's done the most harm to Christianity over the years.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:49:11pm |
re: #271 marjoriemoon
Armageddon?
The Battle of Armageddon is associated with end time prophecies of the Abrahamic religions.
I've never heard what you're talking about - that all Jews must die before the Messiah returns. Ever.
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freetoken Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:49:16pm |
re: #279 Obdicut
I really wish one of the bible committees had thrown that one out.
Some of them tried.
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:49:20pm |
re: #261 goddamnedfrank
Can you tell me which one wasn't "remembered" and written down by nascent Christians attempting to put words in a Jew's mouth?
I'll let that slide, as I am not here to validate the authenticity of the content of biblical writings.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:50:01pm |
re: #277 freetoken
In the apocalyptic Pre-millennialism of various (mostly American) fundamentalist/evangelical sects, the doctrines of Dispensationalism call for a separation of the time of the Christians and the time of the restored Israel. To get to that last part there is envisioned great battles culminating at Meggido. Various preachers from these sects teach varieties on this theme, but in most of them there are a whole lot of Jews that get slaughtered, except for the 144,000 who magically get transformed into evangelists.
Well.
That's all brand new news to me.
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Varek Raith Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:50:08pm |
re: #282 ozbloke
I'll let that slide, as I am not here to validate the authenticity of the content of biblical writings.
Indeedy.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:50:19pm |
re: #279 Obdicut
That comes from one interpretation of Revelations, the craziest book of the New Testament.
I really wish one of the bible committees had thrown that one out. I think it's done the most harm to Christianity over the years.
Well ya see, this is where the anti-semitic stuff comes from.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:50:20pm |
re: #254 Obdicut
Yes, but Frank, the Jews are who are around where the story takes place. That doesn't make those statements antisemitic.
1 Thessalonians is pretty much straight up hatred of Jews.
I mean, you'll notice they're talking about churches in Judea that are Christian.
Exactly, churches whose members "have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:" (who killed Christ and displease God, run counter to all humanity, yada yada yada.) That's pretty unambiguous Jew hate right there.
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freetoken Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:51:10pm |
re: #283 reine.de.tout
Well.
That's all brand new news to me.
Sarah Palin's church will preach something along that line, I'd bet.
For sure John McCain's pastor teaches something similar to that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:51:24pm |
re: #271 marjoriemoon
Armageddon?
Figuring out exactly what the hell is happening in Revelations is a job for someone with more patience than I, but whatever happens at Armageddon does not seem to me to have any specific thing to do with killing off the Jews. This does not mean that there is not a sect somewhere crazy enough to interpret it like that, since Revelations is, well, weird.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:51:36pm |
re: #280 reine.de.tout
The Battle of Armageddon is associated with end time prophecies of the Abrahamic religions.
I've never heard what you're talking about - that all Jews must die before the Messiah returns. Ever.
I may not have phrased it well. Freetoken explained more what I was expressing.
Armageddon is not a part of Judaism. I don't know if it's a part of Islam.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:52:31pm |
re: #273 Obdicut
I think a lot of the is that Christianity as Jesus formulated it was an end-times, messianic religion; Jesus was preaching the imminent end of the world. As such, he was seeing himself within the context of the Jewish world and those in the immediate vicinity. The disciples originally expected Jesus's return within their own lifetimes. How much of the writing was changed post-facto to reflect that Jesus was running late we'll never know, of course, but it casts a different aspect over Jesus's death.
If we interpreted Christianity the way Spencer interprets Islam, of course...
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:53:38pm |
re: #278 marjoriemoon
I think the anti-Halloween stuff comes from across the spectrum. Observant Jews aren't fond of the holiday either. (More of an event really.)
Yes, but observant Jews have never considered All Souls/All Saints a holy day of obligation. It's just another Gentile holiday. Catholics, on the other hand...
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:54:33pm |
re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, but observant Jews have never considered All Souls/All Saints a holy day of obligation. It's just another Gentile holiday. Catholics, on the other hand...
I didn't realize Catholics saw it that way.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:55:27pm |
re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist
If we interpreted Christianity the way Spencer interprets Islam, of course...
We won't, though. Since unlike him we're sane and decent.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:55:34pm |
re: #286 goddamnedfrank
1 Thessalonians is pretty much straight up hatred of Jews.
Exactly, churches whose members "have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:" (who killed Christ and displease God, run counter to all humanity, yada yada yada.) That's pretty unambiguous Jew hate right there.
that is a spectacular misinterpretation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:57:11pm |
The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.
"Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed."
Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, "It is done!" Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since man has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. From the sky huge hailstones of about a hundred pounds each fell upon men. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:58:16pm |
re: #292 marjoriemoon
I didn't realize Catholics saw it that way.
It's a very significant feast in traditional Catholicism.
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:58:44pm |
re: #286 goddamnedfrank
1 Thessalonians is pretty much straight up hatred of Jews.
Exactly, churches whose members "have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:" (who killed Christ and displease God, run counter to all humanity, yada yada yada.) That's pretty unambiguous Jew hate right there.
You seem really bound and determined to make it "Jew-hate".
The Christians really were a Jewish Heresy, and they really did get kicked the fuck out of Judea by the Jews of that time period. Saying that the Jews were bad and God didn't like them was exactly what the Jews were saying about them. They both considered each other heretical.
What it doesn't say, there, in any way, is any call for violence against Jews, and that is nowhere in the rest of your quotes, either.
Obviously, in any monotheistic scenario, you're innately saying that other religions suck and yours rocks. But saying that God is angry with the Jews and is going to punish them is just saying that the Romans are busy putting down yet another Jewish revolt. And yeah, he's being a bit snidely happy about that. But calling that "Jew-hate" is just kind of odd.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 7:59:13pm |
re: #292 marjoriemoon
I didn't realize Catholics saw it that way.
Yes.
All Saints Day, a Holy Day of Obligation, in honor of all saints, known and unknown.
Followed by All Souls Day Nov 2, to commemorate the departed faithful.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:00:13pm |
re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist
It's a very significant feast in traditional Catholicism.
I did not know that!
I listened to a video on Aish.com about Halloween last week from an observant Jew who didn't think it was appropriate for Jews. One, for the Day of the Dead aspect and secondly, we shouldn't be begging for candy. She suggested handing out candy and in that way, you're doing a mitzvah for others and participating without trick or treating and dressing up. And we have Purim as our costume holiday.
I don't disagree, but I don't agree either. Not for myself or my family anyway. It's just a fun day.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:00:45pm |
re: #282 ozbloke
I'll let that slide, as I am not here to validate the authenticity of the content of biblical writings.
I just find the whole these are all Jews talking to and about Jews argument fairly uninstructive and silly. Clearly many of them were on the road to no longer considering themselves Jewish and were actively carving out some seriously nasty distinctions between themselves and the people they identified as still being Jews.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:01:00pm |
re: #299 marjoriemoon
I did not know that!
I listened to a video on Aish.com about Halloween last week from an observant Jew who didn't think it was appropriate for Jews. One, for the Day of the Dead aspect and secondly, we shouldn't be begging for candy. She suggested handing out candy and in that way, you're doing a mitzvah for others and participating without trick or treating and dressing up. And we have Purim as our costume holiday.
I don't disagree, but I don't agree either. Not for myself or my family anyway. It's just a fun day.
MM - that's how I always saw it, it was just a FUN day.
I still love Halloween.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:02:41pm |
re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist
One of my favorite passages in the NT: "But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:02:43pm |
re: #300 goddamnedfrank
By those standards, all monotheistic religions with an idea of 'blasphemy' hate each other, then. Judaism is full of "Christian-hate" because Leviticus says that blasphemers shall be put to death.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:02:49pm |
re: #299 marjoriemoon
I did not know that!
I listened to a video on Aish.com about Halloween last week from an observant Jew who didn't think it was appropriate for Jews. One, for the Day of the Dead aspect and secondly, we shouldn't be begging for candy. She suggested handing out candy and in that way, you're doing a mitzvah for others and participating without trick or treating and dressing up. And we have Purim as our costume holiday.
I don't disagree, but I don't agree either. Not for myself or my family anyway. It's just a fun day.
Yeah, a lot of observant Jews think it's improper--funnily enough because it's a Christian holiday.
Me, I have cultural roots in it, and I think it's a fun time of year. Candy is good for the soul. So is remembering the dead.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:03:59pm |
re: #302 Aceofwhat?
One of my favorite passages in the NT: "But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
There's a young-adult novel called "Armageddon Summer", about two young teens whose parents have joined a weird end-of-days church that's holed up on a mountain to wait it out.
The pastor gets around that verse by claiming he's only got it down to the month.
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:05:23pm |
re: #300 goddamnedfrank
I just find the whole these are all Jews talking to and about Jews argument fairly uninstructive and silly. Clearly many of them were on the road to no longer considering themselves Jewish and were actively carving out some seriously nasty distinctions between themselves and the people they identified as still being Jews.
The authorship of 1 Thessalonians is Paul, Saul if you prefer.
Of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews.
In regard to the law, a Pharisee, and the son of a Pharisee.
What can I say, this is the accepted history, I'm stating common belief.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:06:42pm |
re: #305 SanFranciscoZionist
There's a young-adult novel called "Armageddon Summer", about two young teens whose parents have joined a weird end-of-days church that's holed up on a mountain to wait it out.
The pastor gets around that verse by claiming he's only got it down to the month.
good grief...
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:07:50pm |
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:08:44pm |
re: #306 ozbloke
The authorship of 1 Thessalonians is Paul, Saul if you prefer.
Of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews.
In regard to the law, a Pharisee, and the son of a Pharisee.What can I say, this is the accepted history, I'm stating common belief.
Yes, but he and others were rejected by Jews so at that point, you couldn't consider them to be Jewish. They didn't consider themselves such really. I mean Christianity was in its infancy, but they knew at least that they were not following traditional Jewish law.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:09:37pm |
re: #309 marjoriemoon
more importantly...do you want a halloween picture?
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:10:00pm |
re: #306 ozbloke
To be pedantic, for Thessalonians I, there is-- as noted by Paul-- an un-named co-author.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:10:07pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:10:29pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:11:49pm |
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:12:17pm |
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freetoken Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:12:56pm |
re: #309 marjoriemoon
It was probably the greatest schism in the history of monotheism, even more so than the later rise of Islam.
There is no doubt that in the 1950+ years of Christianity that there has been a long lasting anti-semitism thread. It's there and can't be hidden, if one wishes to be honest at all.
Family fights are often said to be the worst, and clearly the Christian sect of heretical Judaism has been at odds with it's origin (Judaic monotheism), sometimes violently.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:14:05pm |
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:14:06pm |
re: #309 marjoriemoon
Yes, but he and others were rejected by Jews so at that point, you couldn't consider them to be Jewish. They didn't consider themselves such really. I mean Christianity was in its infancy, but they knew at least that they were not following traditional Jewish law.
Hi Marjoriemoon,
Truely, I'm not after a theological battle here.
However, I would suggest that these Christians felt they were the part of the fore filling of Judaism and G_ds redeming plan, and in no way seperate.
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Obdicut Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:15:05pm |
re: #316 freetoken
I think that the reasons for that have a lot to do with racism as well, as well as simple convenience.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:15:22pm |
re: #316 freetoken
Y'all make me wanna play Civ IV again.
/and make me a little disappointed to hear that the "religion" aspect has been removed in Civ V.
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:15:23pm |
re: #311 Obdicut
To be pedantic, for Thessalonians I, there is-- as noted by Paul-- an un-named co-author.
Obicut, pedant away, by the way when you address me make sure you have the right sized tie.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:16:21pm |
re: #316 freetoken
It was probably the greatest schism in the history of monotheism, even more so than the later rise of Islam.
There is no doubt that in the 1950+ years of Christianity that there has been a long lasting anti-semitism thread. It's there and can't be hidden, if one wishes to be honest at all.
Family fights are often said to be the worst, and clearly the Christian sect of heretical Judaism has been at odds with it's origin (Judaic monotheism), sometimes violently.
Modern jews have far more to fear from international leftists than domestic Christians, i think.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:18:21pm |
re: #316 freetoken
It was probably the greatest schism in the history of monotheism, even more so than the later rise of Islam.
There is no doubt that in the 1950+ years of Christianity that there has been a long lasting anti-semitism thread. It's there and can't be hidden, if one wishes to be honest at all.
Family fights are often said to be the worst, and clearly the Christian sect of heretical Judaism has been at odds with it's origin (Judaic monotheism), sometimes violently.
Well I agree with you and Frank, however, the wars against the Jews, the Crusades, was as much about a political movement (land/power grabbing) as it was religious rhetoric. It's easier to displace and kill a large group of people if you can convince others they're heathens. Worked against the Indians in this country too. In essence, though, it plays out as racism, certainly the victims will always feel that way.
Plenty of Christians weren't happen about the plight of the Jews, I know at least in WWII and I'm sure prior to that, but they had no power to stop it.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:19:14pm |
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:21:39pm |
re: #323 marjoriemoon
Well I agree with you and Frank, however, the wars against the Jews, the Crusades, was as much about a political movement (land/power grabbing) as it was religious rhetoric. It's easier to displace and kill a large group of people if you can convince others they're heathens. Worked against the Indians in this country too. In essence, though, it plays out as racism, certainly the victims will always feel that way.
Plenty of Christians weren't happen about the plight of the Jews, I know at least in WWII and I'm sure prior to that, but they had no power to stop it.
I have heard it said, do not judge Christ by the way Christians live their lives.
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:21:55pm |
re: #318 ozbloke
Hi Marjoriemoon,
Truely, I'm not after a theological battle here.
However, I would suggest that these Christians felt they were the part of the fore filling of Judaism and G_ds redeming plan, and in no way seperate.
Well they did, of course, and I'm sure some still do! But if you know traditional Jewish law, it goes against it.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:23:22pm |
re: #325 ozbloke
I have heard it said, do not judge Christ by the way Christians live their lives.
and a sad thing it is, to have to make such a request...
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:23:44pm |
re: #325 ozbloke
I have heard it said, do not judge Christ by the way Christians live their lives.
I just judge people individually as I meet them :)
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:26:30pm |
So all you heathens going to the Demon Sword thread??
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:29:19pm |
re: #328 marjoriemoon
I just judge people individually as I meet them :)
Marjoriemoon,
I would like to believe I do too, however I would say its easy being nice when all is going well, the true measure of a person is under pressure.
I am sure in this life, I am grateful for forgiveness.
I always admired these words from Paul:
We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
I think in some way all fall short of the glory that is G_d.
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:30:13pm |
re: #327 Aceofwhat?
and a sad thing it is, to have to make such a request...
Ace, my #330 was to you too, sorry not very good at the blogging thing yet...
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What, me worry? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:33:28pm |
re: #330 ozbloke
Marjoriemoon,
I would like to believe I do too, however I would say its easy being nice when all is going well, the true measure of a person is under pressure.
I am sure in this life, I am grateful for forgiveness.I always admired these words from Paul:
We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
I think in some way all fall short of the glory that is G_d.
There is no way to discuss this with you other than getting into a deep philosophical look at Judaism and I'm off to bed in a few minutes.
Suffice to say that rejecting the law is rejecting Judaism since the religion is primarily based on the law. There are also a number of reasons for rejecting Jesus as the Messiah, but I don't really want to go there.
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:34:25pm |
re: #332 marjoriemoon
There is no way to discuss this with you other than getting into a deep philosophical look at Judaism and I'm off to bed in a few minutes.
Suffice to say that rejecting the law is rejecting Judaism since the religion is primarily based on the law. There are also a number of reasons for rejecting Jesus as the Messiah, but I don't really want to go there.
Have a lovely evening Marjoiemoon, thanks for the chat.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:34:31pm |
re: #331 ozbloke
Ace, my #330 was to you too, sorry not very good at the blogging thing yet...
thanks, dude. i fall way short every day...truer words were never spoken.
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:39:51pm |
re: #334 Aceofwhat?
thanks, dude. i fall way short every day...truer words were never spoken.
When I first read where Paul spoke those words, I though 'what is he saying? Is he nuts.' I'm not sure how long it took me to realize how profound that was.
I believe its an eternal truth for all man, its hard to 'be good' and 'to do right', its not because I don't know right from wrong, it is like my flesh wages war against me.
I'm all for the grace of G_d.
And I'm grateful for my life.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 8:55:27pm |
re: #335 ozbloke
When I first read where Paul spoke those words, I though 'what is he saying? Is he nuts.' I'm not sure how long it took me to realize how profound that was.
I believe its an eternal truth for all man, its hard to 'be good' and 'to do right', its not because I don't know right from wrong, it is like my flesh wages war against me.
I'm all for the grace of G_d.
And I'm grateful for my life.
Not to jump in and then dash, but yeah I'm gonna jump in then well not os much dash as slowly amble my way to bed...
I think to a great degree it often is because men don't know wrong from right. Would this nation be having such close elections if as a people we knew what was right and what was wrong with perfect certanty?
Or is it just that politics are more complicated than morals?
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Oct 31, 2010 9:03:27pm |
re: #336 jamesfirecat
Not to jump in and then dash, but yeah I'm gonna jump in then well not os much dash as slowly amble my way to bed...
I think to a great degree it often is because men don't know wrong from right. Would this nation be having such close elections if as a people we knew what was right and what was wrong with perfect certanty?
Or is it just that politics are more complicated than morals?
No, Paul is discussing the tragedy of our inability to consistently do what we know is right.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Oct 31, 2010 9:08:31pm |
re: #337 Aceofwhat?
No, Paul is discussing the tragedy of our inability to consistently do what we know is right.
Okay I won't disagree with you that this is a problem.
All of us know we should be eating healthy and exercising for example...
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Oct 31, 2010 9:10:48pm |
re: #337 Aceofwhat?
No, Paul is discussing the tragedy of our inability to consistently do what we know is right.
Dancing stimulates the lust of the flesh...
Sorry, just thought I would put that out there :)
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freetoken Sun, Oct 31, 2010 9:48:05pm |
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Oct 31, 2010 10:04:57pm |
re: #340 freetoken
Must be why I like it so.
Me too, just wish I was better at it.
Sometimes I feel like Steve Martin in 'The Jerk'.
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palomino Sun, Oct 31, 2010 10:12:21pm |
re: #65 Charles
Ted Nugent has appeared on the white nationalist radio show "The Political Cesspool."
If that's the case then the Motor City Madman must not feel too comfortable in TX, his adopted home state. It's one of only 4 or 5 minority-majority states, meaning there's lots of white people but even more of the other kind. Poor Ted, may just have to move to Idaho.
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