LGF Makes IBD’s Top Ten List of Political Blogs

Thanks to Brian Deagon of Investor’s Business Daily, for including LGF in his list of the Top 10 Political Blogs!

Here’s Brian’s list:

This reporter asked research firms Hitwise, ComScore and Nielsen to rate 10 pre-selected blogs. The sites were subjectively chosen. The research firms’ rankings were based on their objective methods of counting traffic at Web sites. The ratings from the three were then then averaged out to come up with our admittedly unscientific rankings below.

In choosing the 10 sites, those tied to mainstream media outlets or foundations, and sites that are mostly news aggregators were eliminated. The focus was on sites that have pretty solid reputations. They’re largely independent and primarily rely on a small pool of editors and writers. …

Here’s my list of the Top 10 political blogs.

� 1) dailykos.com. Founded in 2002 by Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, DailyKos provides news and opinion from a liberal viewpoint. It has eight paid staffers and over time has also posted commentary from Obama, former President Jimmy Carter, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and dozens of other members of Congress and state governors.

� 2) hotair.com. Founded in 2006 by blogger Michelle Malkin, the site is now led by conservative Ed Morrissey, who formerly blogged on his site, “Captain’s Quarters,” which was launched in 2003. Morrissey helped expose the Canadian government “Adscam” corruption scandal in 2005.

� 3) talkingpointsmemo.com. Founded in 2000 by Joshua Micah Marshall, it covers a range of topics from a politically left perspective. In 2007, TPM won a prestigious Polk Award for its coverage of the U.S. attorney scandal.

� 4) michellemalkin.com. Founded in 2004 by Malkin, a conservative blogger, political commentator for Fox News and author. In 2009, she wrote the book: “Culture of Corruption: Obama and His Team of Tax Cheats, Crooks, and Cronies.”

� 5) redstate.com. Founded in 2004, the conservative site is now run by Erick Erickson, who is also a political commentator for CNN.

� 6) crooksandliars.com. The liberal site was founded in 2004 by John Amato and gained recognition for its video blogging.

� 7) powerlineblog.com. The conservative site was founded in 2002 by three lawyers, John Hinderaker, Scott Johnson and Paul Mirengoff, who say the media suffer from systemic liberal bias. The site got widespread recognition for covering the Killian documents story that forced out Dan Rather.

� 8) firedoglake.com. The liberal blog site was founded in 2004 by Jane Hamsher, who is a film producer, author and political commentator. The site is noted for its coverage of the Valerie Plame scandal in 2007 and Plame’s connections to the CIA.

� 9) littlegreenfootballs.com. It was founded in 2001 by Charles Johnson, who also played a key role in covering the Dan Rather story. The site was conservative until Johnson one year ago wrote that “The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff. I won’t be going over the cliff with them.”

� 10) balloon-juice.com. The site was founded in 2002 by John Cole, a former Republican whose site is now identified as liberal.

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142 comments

1 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 11:59:17am

I'm surprised Malkin still pulls in that much traffic. She really doesn't blog much anymore.

2 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 11:59:48am

Oldest blog on the list. Congratulations!

3 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:00:10pm

Congrats Charles!

I've been talking about LGF this election period to lots of people, hopefully some new, intelligent, sane members will add to the fun.

4 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:00:22pm
"The mainstream media is aware they're being watched by bloggers," said Ed Morrissey, who leads Hot-Air.com. "Bloggers are a feedback loop the mainstream media can't control and it's made them more accountable."


lol

5 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:00:24pm

re: #2 wrenchwench

Oldest blog on the list. Congratulations!

Ooops, except for TPM.

6 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:03:22pm

The hammer has fallen on the stalkers vandalizing LGF's Wikipedia page:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

7 researchok  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:04:05pm

I'ts nice to see real people in the real world can judge who in the blogosphere is relevant.

I don't agree with everyone on the list, but that doesn't mean they aren't influential.

8 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:05:52pm

I note that all the comments slap a "liberal" or "conservative" label on a particular blog. And the discussion page on the LGF wikipedia entry is 75% a discussion/argument about which label is proper for the blog.

And the reason that they have so much trouble doing so (citing this or that entry by Charles as the evidence for the label) is that the blog's focus is neither. If any, the blog's label should be "pro-rational".

And the hoops people jump through trying to fit the blog into either the square or round hole says a lot more about their priorities than it does about Charles'.

9 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:06:02pm

Shrieking Harpy will complain it's all a Muslim set up in 3...2...1

10 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:06:42pm

re: #8 oaktree

And the reason that they have so much trouble doing so (citing this or that entry by Charles as the evidence for the label) is that the blog's focus is neither. If any, the blog's label should be "pro-rational".

One of the reasons this is my home.

11 Kragar  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:07:32pm

re: #9 PT Barnum

Shrieking Harpy will complain it's all a Muslim set up in 3...2...1

Obviously a setup because she was left off the list. How could that be?

12 Gus  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:08:16pm

9) LittleGreenFootballs.com. It was founded in 2001 by Charles Johnson, who also played a key role in covering the Dan Rather story. The site was conservative until Johnson one year ago wrote that "The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff. I won't be going over the cliff with them."

I can see the splodey stalker heads from here!

13 Vambo  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:08:38pm

LGF is the only one I look at anymore. I'm not a huge fan of DailyKos. And I've never heard of BalloonJuice, would anyone recommend that one?

14 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:09:13pm

It's nice to be taken seriously. There's a lot of good, serious thinking to be found in these pages, and even the disagreements tend to be debates where both sides have made at least some sort of case.

Politics requires taking the other side seriously and explaining your own case from the POV of a wavering supporter of the other side, rather than from the POV of the most committed members of your own side.

Good luck finding that at DKOS or at Malkin.

15 Gus  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:09:16pm

Of course, this will mean the loser stalkers will be leaving comments over at IBD any second now. But, they always succeed in beclowning themselves.

16 researchok  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:09:54pm

re: #15 Gus 802

Of course, this will mean the loser stalkers will be leaving comments over at IBD any second now. But, they always succeed in beclowning themselves.

It's like they just can't help themselves.

Really.

17 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:10:44pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obviously a setup because she was left off the list. How could that be?

Muslims control the interwebz!11!!

18 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:11:00pm

re: #13 Vambo

LGF is the only one I look at anymore. I'm not a huge fan of DailyKos. And I've never heard of BalloonJuice, would anyone recommend that one?

HUffPoo is a decent source of news links. TPM has good stuff too. Other than that there aren't many worthwhile blogs out there.

19 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:11:55pm

re: #13 Vambo

LGF is the only one I look at anymore. I'm not a huge fan of DailyKos. And I've never heard of BalloonJuice, would anyone recommend that one?

definitely. It's how I found LGF.

HuffPo is often a bit too far to the left even for me.

20 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:12:10pm

Wacko news from the sporting zone...

Minnesota waives Randy Moss.

21 researchok  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:12:15pm

re: #14 lostlakehiker

It's nice to be taken seriously. There's a lot of good, serious thinking to be found in these pages, and even the disagreements tend to be debates where both sides have made at least some sort of case.

Politics requires taking the other side seriously and explaining your own case from the POV of a wavering supporter of the other side, rather than from the POV of the most committed members of your own side.

Good luck finding that at DKOS or at Malkin.

Actually, Firedog Lake has provided a few, uh, interesting moments.

Tbogg:

In defense of their favorite liberal, pants-shitting Juan Williams, conservatives have worked themselves up into a fine lather over his high tech lynching sacking over at NPR.

But what to do, what to do?

22 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:12:55pm

re: #20 oaktree

Wacko news from the sporting zone...

Minnesota waives Randy Moss.

Did you catch his presser after the loss? LOL

23 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:13:38pm

re: #20 oaktree

Wacko news from the sporting zone...

Minnesota waives Randy Moss.

What does that mean?

24 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:13:51pm

re: #20 oaktree

Wacko news from the sporting zone...

Minnesota waives Randy Moss.

Wow they gave up a third rounder for him too. Glad that I root for a stable team.

25 EdDantes  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:13:59pm

Way to Go, LGF!

26 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:15:07pm

re: #23 Varek Raith

What does that mean?

If you caught footage of his commentary post-game yesterday you'd see at least partway where I'm coming from.

He announced that all future interviews would have him ask, and then answer, all the questions.

27 Kragar  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:15:21pm

re: #23 Varek Raith

What does that mean?

Something.

/shrugs

28 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:15:30pm

re: #23 Varek Raith

What does that mean?

Basically, from what I understand if another team doesn't claim him (the team with the worst record in the conference I think has first digs) then he gets released. In other words, Moss's reunion in Minnesota is all for naught.

29 researchok  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:16:06pm

Any way you slice it, LGF is top tier.

Pointing out and addressing stupid is not hate, no matter how many stupid people say it is.

30 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:16:52pm

By the way congrats to Charles, LGF, and the good people here. Always learn something here even from those I disagree with and most of them disagreements are civil.

31 EdDantes  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:17:28pm

re: #20 oaktree

Doesn't anyone want this Guy? Could it have something to do with his post-game interview and his group hug of New England?

32 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:17:56pm

re: #13 Vambo

LGF is the only one I look at anymore. I'm not a huge fan of DailyKos. And I've never heard of BalloonJuice, would anyone recommend that one?

definitely. It's how I found LGF.

HuffPo is often a bit too far to the left even for me.

33 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:18:05pm

Congrats, Charles.

34 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:19:05pm

re: #31 EdDantes

Doesn't anyone want this Guy? Could it have something to do with his post-game interview and his group hug of New England?

Secret Bill Belichek maneuver to scam the Vikings for a 3rd round draft pick. Though I also think the Tea Party should consider picking Moss up to teach interview techniques and how to handle press conferences.

//

35 AK-47%  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:20:03pm

They said this poll is "unscientific". So I guess they are anti-science.

Are we gonna have and regard for the opinion of a bunch of AGW-denying creationists?

/

36 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:20:08pm

re: #32 PT Barnum

definitely. It's how I found LGF.

HuffPo is often a bit too far to the left even for me.

HuffPo has a big issue with science as well. A major reason they do not get the attention of my eyeballs. If you can't get that right -- or it has to be subsumed to a particular political slant, I'm not interested in giving the site my time.

37 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:21:06pm

Seriously the Vikings are so dumb. They gave up what's looking to be a high third round pick for a guy who played three games with them. Kinda upsets me because the Pats are one of my most hated teams and they clearly outsmarted the Vikes here even if the guy they choose with the pick turns out to be a flop.

38 EdDantes  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:22:13pm

re: #34 oaktree

/Belichek is an evil genius like Carl Rove!

39 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:22:23pm

I'm glad to see IBD doing such an impartial list of blogs -- their editorial slant is pretty far to the right these days. Kudos to them for not letting this influence their rankings.

40 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:22:46pm

Congrats Charles, also glad to see Balloon-juice up there.

41 EdDantes  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:24:25pm

re: #39 Charles

Sometimes facts overwhelm ideology.

42 Vambo  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:24:37pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

HUffPoo is a decent source of news links. TPM has good stuff too. Other than that there aren't many worthwhile blogs out there.

HuffPoo will usually have a well-written article dissecting the latest right wing idiocy, but there's too much bullshit, and the comments section is just dead to me.

TPM is a good one, I forgot about them for a second. They always have the best video clips.

43 darthstar  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:24:58pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

I'm surprised Malkin still pulls in that much traffic. She really doesn't blog much anymore.

Didn't Malkin sell her blog to some right-wing Christian hate group?

44 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:24:59pm

Congrats on the mention. Very deserved.

45 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:25:55pm

I was never bing on the big left wing blogs even when I Was more left wing back in Bush's first term. Just felt Kos, HuffPo, etc a bit nutty and also out of touch with the average liberal and Democrat.

46 shutdown  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:26:05pm

I have but a moment before the afternoon of rides to crew and my going to the gym starts, but I wanted to make on observation. LGF is still conservative, but in the mold of progressive, or rational, conservatism. All voices are heard here, but I think Charles has remained true to an open-minded, adaptive political conservatism that recognizes individual liberties, the collective expectation of pragmatic regulation of markets, and the need to compete globally in a modern world economy. In fact, LGF continues to represent the values and traditions that made the US a power, rather than the cringing, Quisling attempts of the New Right to isolate us economically and politically while entirely giving up on the notion that we can and should be leading the way in science and learning.

Peace, and out. BBL

47 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:26:30pm

re: #43 darthstar

Didn't Malkin sell her blog to some right-wing Christian hate group?

That was Hot Air but I think she still owns her own blog.

48 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:26:41pm

re: #39 Charles

That explains a lack of disdain for Malkin. BTW, looks like ratings and comments are not functioning on that article. Are they heading off dealing with/moderating the stalkers that way?

49 Lidane  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:33:27pm

re: #40 Dreggas

Congrats Charles, also glad to see Balloon-juice up there.

Agreed. LGF and Balloon-Juice are two blogs I read daily. Interesting that they're both run by people formerly associated with the right who got fed up with the idiocy and bolted.

50 Gus  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:40:16pm

And the first three to express their jealousy and rage are: Dan Collins, William Teach, and Dan Riehl. The homogeneous wingnuts work in lockstep. Checkmate losers!

51 Intenzity  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:42:22pm

First of all, congratulations, you certainly have earned it. Your content speaks for itself and it's what keeps me coming back.

Second, I have a really hard time believing that Malkin and Hotair are where this guy says they are page views/traffic wise. Highly, highly dubious.

Remember, these are the guys that figured out how to make any book written by a right-wing fundy a "best seller" by bulk-buying etc. to screw with numbers to make them look bigger than they are.

I would love to see the raw numbers. Having been in the web biz, unless you have access to the actual site logs, or are collaborating with those measurement sites with a tracking pixel etc., they are just guessing.

It is incredibly easy to generate traffic that looks real to a website so it looks like you are getting more traffic than you are for advertisers.

Malkin was quoted as saying hotair never made a profit and cost her money when she ran it, thats why she sold it.

If they were getting traffic levels like this, it would not be an unprofitable business if it was one of the most highly visited right-wing oriented political sites on the web.

Either that, or Malkin was retarded and didnt know how to monazite a web site that almost has a monopoly on a certain kind of content.
:)

52 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:45:35pm

Hot-Air and the other usual suspects are trumpeting a prediction by the Cook Reports that the GOP will win 60 seats in the House and 6-8 in the Senate. Dream on, tea partyists.

Since everyone else is giving predictions, I may as well give it a shot: +40 in the House for the Repubs, 48 at the outside; +4 in the Senate, 6 at the outside.
No more than one of the high-profile TP senate candidates; Angle, Paul, and O'Donnell; will win and there is a decent chance they will all lose.
Off the wall prediction: O'Donnell may be the one to pull it off.

53 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:52:38pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel

Hot-Air and the other usual suspects are trumpeting a prediction by the Cook Reports that the GOP will win 60 seats in the House and 6-8 in the Senate. Dream on, tea partyists.

Since everyone else is giving predictions, I may as well give it a shot: +40 in the House for the Repubs, 48 at the outside; +4 in the Senate, 6 at the outside.
No more than one of the high-profile TP senate candidates; Angle, Paul, and O'Donnell; will win and there is a decent chance they will all lose.
Off the wall prediction: O'Donnell may be the one to pull it off.

I think Paul is the most likely to pull it out. Bright red state, already a Republicn seat, and he's bene leading in most of the polls. I don't see O'Donnell winning. Coons is the county executive of the largest county in Delaware (there are only three overall) so I think he beats her. Angle-Reid is a toss up but I think Harry ultimately pulls it off because Angle's rubbed a lot of latino voters the wrong way with some of her statements about immigration.

54 JeffFX  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:52:56pm

re: #19 PT Barnum


HuffPo is often a bit too far to the left even for me.

Plus they tend to be wildly wrong on scientific and medical topics, with all their alt-med nonsense, so I don't feel I can trust them on any topic.

55 SpaceJesus  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:53:55pm

I'm banned from almost all of those place :(

56 SpaceJesus  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:54:23pm

(s)

57 Intenzity  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:54:51pm

re: #54 JeffFX

Plus they tend to be wildly wrong on scientific and medical topics, with all their alt-med nonsense, so I don't feel I can trust them on any topic.

Absolutely! They give into to such "The Secret" nonsense it is embarrassing and their association with such non-scientific topics are as lame as creationism is to the right.

58 Kragar  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:54:52pm

re: #55 SpaceJesus

I'm banned from almost all of those place :(

Thats not necessarily a bad thing

59 ihateronpaul  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:55:36pm

crooks and liars is an amazing blog, unashamedly progressive, but they really make an effort to present media clips in context, and to provide transcripts of videos. I highly recommend it.

60 JeffFX  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:00:05pm

re: #57 Intenzity

LOL...I initially compared them to creationists on the right before editing my post to remove the jab at an uninvolved group, but I agree it's a good comparison.

61 darthstar  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:01:18pm

Fuck! I just realized I spent a half hour at Game 2 of the World Series last Thursday talking to Charlie Pride, and didn't fucking recognize him! I thought it might be him, as his name was Charlie, but thought he might have been an ex-player as he was in the Rangers Owner's suite...now I feel like a total idiot.

62 JeffFX  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:02:00pm

re: #61 darthstar

He probably thought you were playing it very cool.

63 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:02:19pm

I just noticed that the Shrieking Harpy spat some hideous venom at me yesterday, again. Apparently I have awesome witch-hunting power, just like Mao did, to threaten news organizations and tyrannize the world. Groovy.

Blacklisting Breitbart, 'Words Fail' - Atlas Shrugs

Look at the traitor Johnson (who is paying him is anyone's guess). He threatens news orgs who want to have me or other conservatives on. He accuses them of racism and white supremacism, and like in Mao's China, they either comply or are also accused of the same. He is a witch hunter.

64 darthstar  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:03:15pm

Heh...Christine O'Donnell bought two 30 minute spots on a local cable channel, and they "forgot to air" them. Priceless.

65 EdDantes  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:03:46pm

re: #61 darthstar

Charlie Pride, the country singer?
/You're not worthy!

66 darthstar  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:04:22pm

re: #65 EdDantes

Charlie Pride, the country singer?
/You're not worthy!

Yes...THAT Charlie Pride. I'm not worthy. If there's a game 6 and he's there, I'll definitely apologize.

67 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:05:14pm

re: #61 darthstar

Fuck! I just realized I spent a half hour at Game 2 of the World Series last Thursday talking to Charlie Pride, and didn't fucking recognize him! I thought it might be him, as his name was Charlie, but thought he might have been an ex-player as he was in the Rangers Owner's suite...now I feel like a total idiot.

That's weird heh. I remember one time when me and my brother were at a high school football game, my brother needed to find something, I forget what since it was years ago but the man he ended up asking for help was our then town mayor and later delegate in the house of delegates. Not the same as Charlie Pride I concede but it was funny since my brother had no idea he was talking ot the mayor before I let him know.

68 EdDantes  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:06:33pm

re: #66 darthstar

Tell him a fan since 1965 says hello! :)

69 Digital Display  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:07:12pm

Congrads Charles! You have always put integrity first here..You are number one in my book

70 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:12:33pm

re: #64 darthstar

Heh...Christine O'Donnell bought two 30 minute spots on a local cable channel, and they "forgot to air" them. Priceless.

I strongly suspect she "forgot" to pay for them.

71 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:13:51pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

I strongly suspect she "forgot" to pay for them.

Lol, probably.
Unless Biden forced them not to.
/

72 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:13:52pm

re: #55 SpaceJesus

I'm banned from almost all of those place :(

Which one of you?

73 Lidane  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:14:42pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

I strongly suspect she "forgot" to pay for them.

So much for fiscal responsibility. LOL.

74 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:15:26pm

re: #63 Charles

I just noticed that the Shrieking Harpy spat some hideous venom at me yesterday, again. Apparently I have awesome witch-hunting power, just like Mao did, to threaten news organizations and tyrannize the world. Groovy.

Blacklisting Breitbart, 'Words Fail' - Atlas Shrugs

First you remove vowels from people, now you're a witch hunter.

Just can't win . . .

75 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:16:19pm

re: #55 SpaceJesus

I'm banned from almost all of those place :(

Badges of honor, SJ. I registered at a number of right-wing sites using a similar username but never got around to actually posting on even a semi-regular basis. Though once registered, the bat guano craziness kept me from posting anything of significance. I knew that once I posted something, it would be viciously attacked, shouted down, and eventually I'd be banned so I figured what was the point of discourse.

76 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:16:24pm

re: #63 Charles

I just noticed that the Shrieking Harpy spat some hideous venom at me yesterday, again. Apparently I have awesome witch-hunting power, just like Mao did, to threaten news organizations and tyrannize the world. Groovy.

Blacklisting Breitbart, 'Words Fail' - Atlas Shrugs

Whoa, man, this planet ain't big enough for two overlords!
XD

77 Kragar  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:16:31pm

re: #74 reine.de.tout

First you remove vowels from people, now you're a witch hunter.

Just can't win . . .

Next, he'll be building bridges out of people.

78 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:16:54pm

re: #63 Charles

I just noticed that the Shrieking Harpy spat some hideous venom at me yesterday, again. Apparently I have awesome witch-hunting power, just like Mao did, to threaten news organizations and tyrannize the world. Groovy.

Blacklisting Breitbart, 'Words Fail' - Atlas Shrugs

From there:

He threatens news orgs who want to have me or other conservatives on. He accuses them of racism and white supremacism, and like in Mao's China, they either comply or are also accused of the same.

White supremacism in China? Who knew?

79 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:17:10pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

I strongly suspect she "forgot" to pay for them.

That would at least be consistent. One thing in O'Donnell's favor, paradoxically, is that her negatives are so strong many voters may simply refuse to believe them. This helps her effort to spin the exposure of her craziness and malfeasance as a massive smear campaign. Gawker's incredibly disgusting and high-profile attempt at an actual smear has helped to emphasize this.

80 garhighway  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:23:48pm

I hope that IBD holds some sort of big reception for the Top Ten. It would be fun to see the video of that gathering. It would be like an episode of Jerry Springer.

81 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:23:51pm

Pam really has no credibility to whine about "blacklistings". She wants to make it almost impossible for Muslims to practice their religion in this country and she counts as strong allies racists. It's simple if she doesn't want to be called a racist, stop pimping out the EDL like it's some legitimate entity and claiming that Campbell's soup is compicit in jihad.

82 Major Tom  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:24:11pm

congrats!

83 SpaceJesus  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:26:55pm

re: #72 reine.de.tout

Which one of you?

are you referring to the trinity?

84 Gus  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:30:25pm

re: #78 wrenchwench

From there:

White supremacism in China? Who knew?

The only thing that can stop him now is Kryptonite!

Looks like Pam picked up the bong.

/

85 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:31:37pm

TV Stations: Christine O'Donnell's Closing Argument Fail Was Self-Inflicted

No one forgot anything at Channel 28, station operator Tim Qualls told me today. He said the O'Donnell campaign worked out a deal to broadcast the 30-minute spot five times before election day (at a cost of $2,500) but didn't get a Channel 28 staffer the tape of the video "until 11 PM on Saturday night." That wasn't enough time for Qualls and his small staff to encode the video properly for broadcast by 11:30 Sunday or, apparently, 10 AM today.

86 allegro  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:35:29pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

How could anyone take this airhead seriously? She defines the term to the point of making Sarah appear erudite.

87 Gus  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:36:51pm

Barton Looking Forward to the "Alignment of Faith and Politics"

Green: You picked a great day to tune it. It is the Monday before the big election ... boy, you talk about the intersection of faith and politics, there is going to be a collision tomorrow.

Barton: Well, hopefully there will be an alignment more than a collision, hopefully we see an alignment of faith and politics tomorrow because the faith has been there, it's the politics that has been contrary to the faith and tomorrow hopefully we'll get an alignment of faith and politics.

Green: Man, that would be a good new theme for us: the alignment of faith and politics instead of just the intersection. That's great, man. That was inspired. I think God just spoke through you today, David.

Barton: I'll take it. I'll take that as a prophetic thing for tomorrow, you bet.

And.

Green: What a citizen gives his vote to a man of known immorality, he abuses his trust. He sacrifices not only his known interest but that of his neighbor. He betrays the interest of his country.

So really, when we go in and vote tomorrow, we're voting for our country , we're voting on whether or not our children will get to enjoy the same things that we've enjoyed.

Barton: And you're really voting on character. That's what he said is look to the character. If you vote for someone of known immorality, if you vote for someone who has known character flaws, you're a traitor to your country.

88 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:37:25pm

congrats, Charles. well deserved-

89 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:38:25pm

re: #87 Gus 802

Barton Looking Forward to the "Alignment of Faith and Politics"

And.

"Barton: And you're really voting on character. That's what he said is look to the character. If you vote for someone of known immorality, if you vote for someone who has known character flaws, you're a traitor to your country.
I guess this is why Newt isn't taken seriously huh :)

90 darthstar  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:39:13pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

TV Stations: Christine O'Donnell's Closing Argument Fail Was Self-Inflicted

Five 30 minute spots for $2500? What, does the station have a viewing audience of seven? And she STILL managed to fuck that up? Poor Christine...she's giving non-mama grizzlies a bad name.

91 AK-47%  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:39:14pm

Christianity teaches us that we are all sinners and have all fallen short of the Glory of God.

"if you vote for someone who has known character flaws, you're a traitor to your country"

So democracy is traitorous, because everybody you vote for will be imperfect in some way.

92 darthstar  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:40:12pm

re: #91 ralphieboy

Christianity teaches us that we are all sinners and have all fallen short of the Glory of God.

"if you vote for someone who has known character flaws, you're a traitor to your country"

So democracy is traitorous, because everybody you vote for will be imperfect in some way.

Except Jerry Brown...that fucker can walk on water, in my opinion. Looking forward to having him as Governor again.

93 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:40:24pm

re: #90 darthstar

It's a public access channel. The regular stations couldn't air it because it was on such short notice.

94 darthstar  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:41:01pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

It's a public access channel. The regular stations couldn't air it because it was on such short notice.

So an audience of seven, as I thought.

95 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:41:10pm

re: #90 darthstar

Five 30 minute spots for $2500? What, does the station have a viewing audience of seven? And she STILL managed to fuck that up? Poor Christine...she's giving non-mama grizzlies a bad name.

probably 30-second spots. there's no way you can get 30 minutes on a decent-sized network for that kind of dough.

96 Winny Spencer  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:41:38pm

re: #86 allegro

How could anyone take this airhead seriously? She defines the term to the point of making Sarah appear erudite.

Nah, Christine can string a coherent sentence together, something that Palin is utterly incapable of.

97 allegro  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:41:49pm

re: #92 darthstar

Except Jerry Brown...that fucker can walk on water, in my opinion. Looking forward to having him as Governor again.

Pffft, never got around to learning how to swim?

(credit LBJ?)

98 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:41:51pm

oops. just saw KT's post. your honor, i withdraw my comment and move to strike/

99 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:43:12pm

Everything is Better with Bacon
Avec Eric

This guy really looks like one of the regulars at the London violin auctions. Maybe it's a hobby of his. Maybe not, all French people look the same.

100 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:43:53pm

I think comments like what Mr. Barton said are exactly why you'll never see me voting for candidates like these. They act like they are somehow more moral by virtue of being social conservatives somehow more moral than social liberals. I'm sick of this crap. They act like liberals and secular people can't be good, moral people and htat is probably why I became disgusted with religion in the first place when I was in my early teens.

101 EdDantes  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:44:04pm

re: #66 darthstar


102 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:45:11pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

I think comments like what Mr. Barton said are exactly why you'll never see me voting for candidates like these. They act like they are somehow more moral by virtue of being social conservatives somehow more moral than social liberals. I'm sick of this crap. They act like liberals and secular people can't be good, moral people and htat is probably why I became disgusted with religion in the first place when I was in my early teens.

I agree. Religion is no guarantor of moral fiber.

103 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:46:39pm

I find it interesting that IBD didn't try to pigeonhole this blog.

104 allegro  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:49:09pm

re: #102 Aceofwhat?

I agree. Religion is no guarantor of moral fiber.

After my experiences of the past 25 years or so, I actively avoid any businesses that have that fish thingie on their windows or that actively advertise on the christian theme. There are quite a few in Texas. To me that is them telling me I will not have a good, honest experience with that business. Not saying that all Christians are dishonest by any means, but businesses that use that hook, IMO, often are.

105 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:49:17pm

Oh for fuck's sake.....
Yemen could become a new Somalia without help, minister says


Yemen could turn out like Somalia if the current rate of international investment doesn't increase, the country's deputy finance minister told CNN Monday.

"I'm not suggesting a failed state," Jalal Yaqoub said. "What I'm suggesting (is) a state where citizens don't get the right services delivered to them."

.....it needs $45- to $50 billion in investment over the next decade to give people jobs, water, and electricity because "extremism flourishes in an area where people have no jobs and too much time on their hands.

Boredom causes terrorism. Give me a break.

106 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:49:56pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Everything is Better with Bacon
Avec Eric

This guy really looks like one of the regulars at the London violin auctions. Maybe it's a hobby of his. Maybe not, all French people look the same.

I know... see my avatar.

107 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:50:01pm

re: #102 Aceofwhat?

I agree. Religion is no guarantor of moral fiber.

Yep, I mean I don't hate religion really but I hate how people use religion to act like it makes them better than other people. Even when I was more religious, I valued it because it was something that was personal to me. I didn't use it to look down on other people.

108 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:51:24pm

Yeah, my blood's so mad feels like coagulatin'
I'm sitting here just contemplatin'
I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation.
Handful of senators don't pass legislation
And marches alone can't bring integration
When human respect is disintegratin'
This whole crazy world is just too frustratin'

And you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don't believe
We're on the eve
of destruction.

109 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:51:43pm

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

I know... see my avatar.

What are you doing in that pic? Strangling a smurf? I think they call the Shlumpfs in Europe.

110 engineer cat  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:51:57pm

If you vote for someone of known immorality, if you vote for someone who has known character flaws

such as utter callous indifference to the decline of primary education in this country and the fact that we rank dead last among industrialized democracies in overall childhood healthcare?

111 darthstar  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:52:42pm

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

I know... see my avatar.

Dear god, you probably scared the shit out of Goofy with that youthful energy.

112 Jadespring  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:53:56pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Yep, I mean I don't hate religion really but I hate how people use religion to act like it makes them better than other people. Even when I was more religious, I valued it because it was something that was personal to me. I didn't use it to look down on other people.

At a young age my Mom imparted the wisdom to be wary around those that "wear their Christianity on their sleeve" as they usually are more about the outside then inside. It took some growing up to understand the outside/inside reference. For the most part though I've found the whole statement to generally be true.

113 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:54:01pm

re: #110 engineer dog

we rank dead last among industrialized democracies in overall childhood healthcare?

we do?

114 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:56:21pm

re: #108 Walter L. Newton

And you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don't believe
We're on the eve
of destruction.

115 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:56:38pm

re: #112 Jadespring

At a young age my Mom imparted the wisdom to be wary around those that "wear their Christianity on their sleeve" as they usually are more about the outside then inside. It took some growing up to understand the outside/inside reference. For the most part though I've found the whole statement to generally be true.

Couldn't agree more. It's right there in the front of Matthew, if you'll forgive the cut-and-paste...


1 “Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.

2 “So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.

3 “But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

5 “When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.

6 “But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

116 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:58:35pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

What are you doing in that pic? Strangling a smurf? I think they call the Shlumpfs in Europe.

re: #111 darthstar

Dear god, you probably scared the shit out of Goofy with that youthful energy.

It was Mickey... he rode all the rides at the Magic Kingdom and Epcot, hanging out of my pocket... then I killed him... the avatar is a crime scene picture.

117 tradewind  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:58:50pm

Well, he(Brian) 's certainly bending over backwards for balance towards the top of the list.
First Kos (ugh), then balanced with Hot Air.... and he follows TPM with MM.
But Firedoglake? For consistency, he needed three conservative blogs to neutralize that one.... and LGF should have been ranked over them, not after.

118 allegro  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:59:13pm

LOL! My new "son" (dog) just walked in wearing a 32 oz. yogurt carton on his face. He's so laid back it didn't even upset him particularly, it was just like "Um, mom, I could use a hand here." That's what he gets for raiding the trash can.

119 Slap  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 1:59:35pm

re: #104 allegro

After my experiences of the past 25 years or so, I actively avoid any businesses that have that fish thingie on their windows or that actively advertise on the christian theme.

From Uncle Frank:

"When you see THE FISH, it's time to get THE HARPOON."

120 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 2:00:48pm

re: #114 wrenchwench

Oh, man. Now the Black Crowes sound sleepy. Time to change the CD.

121 tradewind  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 2:07:19pm

re: #118 allegro
My Goldens can't resist the scent of an empty Stonybrook Farms cup, no matter how deeply it's buried in the trash.

122 tradewind  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 2:08:48pm

re: #119 Slap
A textbook example of overkill in the weapons department......

123 engineer cat  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 2:13:39pm

re: #113 Aceofwhat?

re: #110 engineer dog

we rank dead last among industrialized democracies in overall childhood healthcare?

we do?


[Link: www.unicef.org...]

124 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 2:15:47pm

re: #61 darthstar

Fuck! I just realized I spent a half hour at Game 2 of the World Series last Thursday talking to Charlie Pride, and didn't fucking recognize him! I thought it might be him, as his name was Charlie, but thought he might have been an ex-player as he was in the Rangers Owner's suite...now I feel like a total idiot.

I think he did play pro ball....

125 deranged cat  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 2:54:55pm

half of the list is barffff.
but im happy to see my two favorite blogs, LGF and Balloon Juice made it on :)

126 ozbloke  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 2:57:41pm

Congrats Charles, cheers to our host.

Is that fireworks I hear or the sound of heads exploding at a number of sites not on the list?

127 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 2:59:52pm

re: #87 Gus 802

"So really, when we go in and vote tomorrow, we're voting for our country , we're voting on whether or not our children will get to enjoy the same things that we've enjoyed."

What would those things be, I wonder? Highly privileged religious status? Oppression of women, homosexuals, and minorities? Oppression and silencing of minority religions or the non-religious? Censorship or elimination of all the really cool music?

Just what sort of things are there that they have enjoyed, and want their children to enjoy?

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 3:01:42pm

re: #125 deranged cat

No doubt. Most of those listed don't even deserve to be in the company of LGF.

129 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 3:10:59pm

Congratulations, Charles.

130 nines09  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 8:34:27pm

Nicely done Charles. I appreciate what you do.

131 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 10:08:59pm

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats not necessarily a bad thing

That is what I thought when I read SpaceJesus' post--word for word.

Two minds in the same gutter!

re: #61 darthstar

Fuck! I just realized I spent a half hour at Game 2 of the World Series last Thursday talking to Charlie Pride, and didn't fucking recognize him! I thought it might be him, as his name was Charlie, but thought he might have been an ex-player as he was in the Rangers Owner's suite...now I feel like a total idiot.

IIRC his son had a brief career in the majors, and he was a ballplayer himself in his younger days.

re: #63 Charles

I just noticed that the Shrieking Harpy spat some hideous venom at me yesterday, again. Apparently I have awesome witch-hunting power, just like Mao did, to threaten news organizations and tyrannize the world. Groovy.

Blacklisting Breitbart, 'Words Fail' - Atlas Shrugs

Earlier this evening, I was thinking how nice it was that we hadn't heard anything from the Harpy in a couple of weeks. So much for that!

132 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Nov 1, 2010 10:17:43pm

re: #115 Aceofwhat?

Couldn't agree more. It's right there in the front of Matthew, if you'll forgive the cut-and-paste...

1 “Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.

2 “So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.

3 “But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

5 “When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.

6 “But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

One of my favorite Jewish jokes--

One Yom Kippur, in a little Orthodox shul, the rabbi stops in the middle of the service, prostrates himself beside the bima, and cries out, "O G~d. Before You, I am nothing!"

The chazen [cantor] is so moved by this demonstration of piety that he immediately follows suit, throwing himself to the floor beside the rabbi and crying, 'O G~d! Before you, I am nothing!"

In the ensuing silence, a shuffling is heard in the back row. Morris Blumenthal jumps from his seat, prostrates himself in the isle and cries, "O G~d! Before You, I am nothing!"

Seeing this, the chazen nudges the rabbi and whispers, "So, look who thinks he's nothing."

133 nakhmish  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:11:36am

Congratulations.
As a (mostly) silent member I must agree with re: #8 oaktree

If any, the blog's label should be "pro-rational".


Your rational pro-science take on things is encouraging and heartwarming. As an Israeli I must also thank you for years of liberal, rational and loud support. There are not many places in the internet who give that. Most liberal blogs are debating whether Israel should exist or is there such a thing as a Jewish nation at all (hello, that's me, pleased to meet you) and calling for the U.S to stop supporting Israel.
Most right wing blogs support us either because we show the world how evil Islam is or just because we hasten armageddon according to their form of Christianity (I have Muslim friends and I try to hasten world peace if you don't mind).

I do want to use this opportunity to ask something. Mainly Charles but also the rest of you lizards. Even though I don't really follow the minutes of american politics, as an Israeli I completely empathise with your worries about right wing gone crazy (Rabin, Grintzweig etc.). But aren't you leaving the whole Islamistic Terror issue to the same crazy right wingers? Maybe there are things I don't know about in the U.S, but it seems to me that as long as most undiscriminating acts of terror are carried out by people calling themselves muslims and they call for a take over of the world by Islam, people will continue to use those terms when looking for more info. I was lucky to find info here, so I didn't have to separate the wheat from the chaff so much, but if the only places that mention the problem and try to make sense of it are places like atlas shrugs and hot air, people will find their information there.People that are not as immersed in politics as almost any Israeli is might not have the perspective to understand when they are being pulled by their noses, and so the flames of fear will keep growing as they seem to do these days according to what you publish here. Am I missing something?

134 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 6:02:29am

re: #133 nakhmish

Am I missing something?

Yes. This blog has talked about every bit of Muslim terrorism that's occurred.

So what are you talking about?

135 nakhmish  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 9:29:33am

You probably mean every bit of Muslim terrorism that's occured in the U.S. 52 killed in a Baghdad church, a suicide bomber in Istanbul. But that's O.K. An american blog should deal with american politics and issues.
I'm talking about the near disappearance of the terms "Islamic Terror" , "terror" and "Islamism". The once vividly captioned and opinionated posts have turned into completely neutral news quotes (on this matter). You get the same info here and on CNN. If CNN and Obama don't say it than it won't show up here.
On one hand there are always people that will read Islamists as muslims and islamic terror as Islam, and so trying to seperate the two only brings them closer together. On the other hand look what's going on with the tea party (LGF is my main source on american politics), and worse, learn from Europe's mistakes and don't go there.

My take is that in Europe for many years the leadership didn't seperate the extremists from the majority of muslim immigrants. Terms like Islamism or islamic terror were (mostly still are) non P.C and verbotten. The extremists took over the funds and arabic media because they were more motivated and loud, like all extremists are, and they got extra funding from the Saudis and Iran. The majority of non muslim europeans, the ones interested in job security and soccer and not so much in history or Islam came to see the extremists as representatives of all muslims and so came to fear all muslims. The leadership still refused to even acknowledge the existance of Islamism and so riots and neo-nazi parties started to blossom. Now the vast mojority of muslims were in a fix - on one hand hooligans and neo-nazis hitting them, humiliating them and excluding them. On the other hand the extremists hitting them and humiliating them whenever they try to fit in and resist the ways of the hellish regimes they have escaped. Add to that an ignorant non muslim leadership that isn't aware of their strife and an islamist brainwash of their children and youth at their schools and mosques (remember they got the money to feed those kids and give them extra school time). Now Europe has a large number of muslim ghettoes were police dares not enter and where loosely dressed women,queers and Jewish people dare not walk, and also areas where most people vote for neo-nazi parties and muslims dare not walk. Now the leadership finally awakens and tries to appease both sides (the Merkel statement that was mentioned here), but it will take a lot of effort to put things right again there.

136 kwb2003  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 9:58:43am

re: #6 Charles

You know you're loved when people dedicate their time and effort in maintaining a blog dedicated to you!

137 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 11:18:07am

re: #135 nakhmish

You been reading Andy McCarthy? He's a one note wonder these days, with his incessant, "If only we would NAME THE ENEMY!!!11!"

I think blowing up the enemy with unmanned drones speaks more loudly.

138 nakhmish  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 11:08:23pm

re: #137 wrenchwench
Don't know who Andy McCarthy is, I'm not sure I want to know judging by your tone. You thing I'm wrong? I'd appreciate it if you take the time and tell me why instead of downdings.
I don't know if I got the Europe situation right or if my comparison is valid (different immigration policies, different citizenship procedures, different cultures). And maybe haters will be haters no matter what you do and there is no way to avoid the crazy side of the republican party taking over. Hope not.
As I said LGF is my source for what's going on in the U.S politics, therefore I was hoping for more elaborate answers and less downdings. Disappointing.

139 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 9:09:11am

re: #138 nakhmish

Don't know who Andy McCarthy is, I'm not sure I want to know judging by your tone. You thing I'm wrong? I'd appreciate it if you take the time and tell me why instead of downdings.
I don't know if I got the Europe situation right or if my comparison is valid (different immigration policies, different citizenship procedures, different cultures). And maybe haters will be haters no matter what you do and there is no way to avoid the crazy side of the republican party taking over. Hope not.
As I said LGF is my source for what's going on in the U.S politics, therefore I was hoping for more elaborate answers and less downdings. Disappointing.

Yes, I think you're wrong. I don't know whether you got the Europe situation right either, but I highly doubt it because you painted with such a broad brush it's nearly impossible for your description to be correct. You seem to think that using terminology like "Islamistic Terror" is going to prevent the bad things you say are going on in Europe from happening here. You don't back up that opinion with anything, really. And I think the bad things you say are going on in Europe are not going on in the US, and I don't think being "un-PC" has any positive value to anyone, except good comedians.

If you want "more elaborate answers", try posting in a currently active thread, or better yet, post a "Page" that addresses the issues you think need more representation here. That does two things: gets your issues more representation, and provides a place for discussion, if anyone else happens to be interested.

140 nakhmish  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 5:57:05am

Thank you for this answer.
The only back up I have for my fear are the things that initiated it - an alarming similarity I see between the tea-party and the extremists in Europe, and their rise to power only 2 years after your president removed this terminology from white house rhetoric's. I'm well aware that I lack knowledge about your society and therefore I tried to make it clear that I'm asking a question and not stating anything about you, which some people apparantly missed.
My life routine + time region makes it really difficult for me to catch active threads and I don't want to just burst in off topic with this. About pages, I feel they are a place for people to link to extra information and not to initiate discussions or asking questions. So I'll just fold back into my passive reading bubble for now, and maybe look for information in other places as well, hoping they will be as rational and nice as this place.

141 Jadespring  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:14:22am

re: #140 nakhmish
Heya, I read through your comments a couple of times and think I get what you are talking about.

I'm gathering it's mostly about the importance of naming what or better acknowledging is happening. I'm not super informed about what the leadership in Europe does or does not acknowledge with words. I'm more familiar with the American and Canadian leadership. I think if I've got this right your suggesting that not naming it properly with the right words leads to more dire social consequences as well as making it more difficult to search out information on the net for somewhere elsewhere looking.

The comments about net searches may have something to it though I just out of curiousity I did some googling to find out what comes up when using different search terms. Just terror, terrorism, terrorism united states, terrorism canada, terror islam, islamism etc etc. All lead to a variety of different sites and sources talking about both terrorism connected with Islam as well as other types. Most terms also bring up some of those sites that you suggest aren't great for people to get information from (I agree with this ) as well. Perhaps it's not just about terms used but the way google and other search engines find information from various locales in the world.

Anyways onto your comments naming and rhetoric from leadership. One thing I'm not positive about is that are you suggesting that their is a direct link between the white house changing it's rhetoric about terrorism and the rise of the tea party (and EdL) ? Post #140 seems to make that implication that it is somehow connected.
If so I think that that sort of connection as in that it somehow has led to or caused the rise is specious at best, especially regarding the Tea Party. While some of their complaints run the spectrum that Obama and the admin are soft on terror to the more extreme are in bed with and support Islamic terrorism (he's a muslim himself in some peoples eyes) this is not the basis that drives this group. One thing for somewhere elsewhere to understand about these folks is that they seem to hate, misconstrue anything that Obama as a Dem and in the larger political context anyone and anything that is deemed by them as "Liberal". Doesn't matter what it is. It's very much and us vs them scenario in quite an extreme sense. Terrorism and most specifically terrorism related to Islam is just one of many, many things. And while people who are very anti-Islam and yes anti-muslim in general (as in it's all bad no matter what, all muslim are terrorist type thinking) find like thinkers and support within it I honestly doubt that with this crew it would matter one whit if Obama came out today and started ranting about the perils of "Islaminism, ISLAMIC TERROR, ISLAM ISLAM" Obama and start talking exactly like they say they think he should and they would find some other reason to continue on with what they already believe. Many probably wouldn't believe him if they did and talk about how it's all just a fake out front. (This already happens anyways)

This doesn't suggest that there aren't questions about how Obama and any Western gov't for that matter, should refer or talk about the issue. Rhetoric can be important and every gov't finds it's own brand (so to speak) on how they talk about issues of the day. That's part of politics. It's also part of politics that opposing political forces focus on the others rhetoric in the political game of 'this is what the other guys or gals words REALLY mean, bad, come to our side". Sometimes the interpretation is right, sometimes it's flat wrong and most times it's somewhere in between the two extremes. The problem for the average person is the sheer amount of rhetorical bullshit about other's rhetoric that floats around and digging down deeper to try to figure out what is the fluff exterior and what actually indicates something important.

142 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:37:54am

re: #140 nakhmish

About pages, I feel they are a place for people to link to extra information and not to initiate discussions or asking questions.

I think you are wrong about this also. There are many uses.


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On Trump and RussiaPresident Trump’s remarks regarding Russia as a candidate for President of the United States should have alarmed Americans regardless of party. Candidate Trump went out of his way to praise Vladimir Putin’s Russia, while simultaneously belittling the President of the ...
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Work, Not Sex? the Real Reason Chinese Women Bound Their Feet Girls who had their feet bound didn't lead a life of idle beauty but rather served a crucial economic purpose, especially in the countryside, where girls as young as 7 weaved, spun and did work by hand, Bossen said.Read ...
Birth Control Works
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Why Are All the Anti-Abortion Democrats Men? A troubling pattern emerges if you start looking at who in the Democratic Party supports women's reproductive rights and who doesn't. Though disappointing, it's far from surprising that all of the anti-abortion Democrats are men. Let me put that ...
Birth Control Works
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Virtual Reality Can Help You Feel More Empathy for Women Harassed at Abortion Clinics It's hard to understand what it feels like to be confronted or bullied outside a women's health center — until it happens to you. I'd never had that experience until last year, while reporting on the Supreme Court case ...
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Families of Chechen Gay Men Pressured to Sign ‘No Complaint’ Documents, Org Says The existence of anti-gay pogroms in Chechnya first surfaced in the independent Russian newspaper Novaya Gazet in April, reporting that hundreds of people had been detained and at least three are now thought to have died. Since then, police ...
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Indonesia’s Mass Rape Victims Are Waiting for Justice That May Never Come On July 15, 1998, then president BJ Habibie condemned the violence against women in a formal government apology. His new Reformasi government established a fact-finding committee to investigate the riots shortly after Suharto's fall. The National Commission on Violence ...
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Read a Book, Gamble With Your Life In 19th-century England, fears over women reading hit hysterical highs. Doctors — male and female — worried novels’ sensational plots could make ladies insane, infertile or prematurely “developed” (there were no such worries about men, whose constitutions were believed ...
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Weiner Must Pay for His “boner.”blog.timesunion.comBy Rob Hoffman on May 22, 2017 at 5:30 AM0(Editor’s note – This blog is dedicated to Fred Merkle, and his infamous “boner” on the base paths which cost the New York Giants the National League Pennant in 1908. Rest ...
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The Major Takes Farhad Manjoo and the New York Times to the WoodshedThe Major takes @fmanjoo and the @nytimes To the woodshed: https://t.co/goi4C3piaH — TheMajor (@TheMajorsViews) May 21, 2017
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White Racial Resentment Before, During Obama Years What impact did the first African-American U.S. president, Barack Obama, have on racial attitudes in the U.S.? Did race relations improve, stay the same or get worse during his administration -- the last perhaps as a result of a ...
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