President Obama is about to give a news conference on the mid-term elections; here’s a thread to discuss, with live video from the White House website.
[Video removed.]
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rwmofo Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:01:49am |
Another hot Republican chick unseats the Democrat incumbent.
We ought to just start calling the Republican party “The Party with the Hottest Chicks.”
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jordash1212 Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:02:07am |
I really hope he doesn’t try to convince us that compromise is possible. I’ll believe that when he does.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:02:12am |
on an upside, more openly gay candidates were elected last night than ever before in the US
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Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:04:02am |
Paul LePage will apparently be Maine’s new governor.
A theocrat, a climate change denier, and a creationist - he epitomizes Tea Party values.
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Stanghazi Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:04:03am |
re: #1 rwmofo
Another hot Republican chick unseats the Democrat incumbent.
We ought to just start calling the Republican party “The Party with the Hottest Chicks.”
pig
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:06:07am |
Very good point about the economic competition between the US and other nations.
This is not an internal fight.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:06:41am |
I would let Obama in my new extreme moderate party
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theheat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:07:19am |
re: #1 rwmofo
They can wear that banner right under Climate Change Deniers, Flat Earthers, Homophobes, Xenophobes, Misogynists, and Most Closeted Family Values Hypocrites. Hell yeah, let’s party!
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:08:21am |
re: #9 theheat
They can wear that banner right under Climate Change Deniers, Flat Earthers, Homophobes, Xenophobes, Misogynists, and Most Closeted Family Values Hypocrites. Hell yeah, let’s party!
No dancing allowed though!
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jordash1212 Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:10:26am |
I think he’s right about economy taking the foreground. When all is well financially, people forget about their other problems.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:11:12am |
Last night really represented the first and only political “defeat” of President Obama’s career. Sometimes you need to accept and face up to your own shortcomings before you can reinvent yourself in a productive way. I believe President Obama is capable of this, but he will have little incentive to modify his positions unless the people who “won” last night are willing to shake hands and meet him half way. So it would be wrong to expect ONLY the POTUS to modify his positions. For this to work, both sides need to compromise.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:11:39am |
And again with education, science, and competing in the global economy.
I’m glad he’s making that point.
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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:11:52am |
Common ground in science education? Don’t count on it.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:13:41am |
re: #12 _RememberTonyC
Last night really represented the first and only political “defeat” of President Obama’s career. Sometimes you need to accept and face up to your own shortcomings before you can reinvent yourself in a productive way. I believe President Obama is capable of this, but he will have little incentive to modify his positions unless the people who “won” last night are willing to shake hands and meet him half way. So it would be wrong to expect ONLY the POTUS to modify his positions. For this to work, both sides need to compromise.
Top GOP politicians have made it extremely clear that they see this election as a mandate to get even more hardened and extreme in their positions. There will not be any compromise from the GOP side. We’re about to see two years of political insanity.
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Kragar Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:14:01am |
Well, this morning, Rush Limbaugh taught me
1) Fiorina and Whitman only lost CA because they weren’t Conservative enough
2) O’Donnell and Angle only lost because GOP insiders didn’t support them
3) All other lost races were due to the media misleading people and the majority of people in those districts being too stupid to vote conservative.
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theheat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:14:15am |
re: #14 wrenchwench
That was a spew coffee all over my keyboard moment. Exactly what I was thinking. Sure. Yeah. They’re craving the science.
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Nick Schroeder Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:14:15am |
The fact that ‘common ground’ is even necessary when discussing scientific education is indicative of how fucked we are, really.
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rwmofo Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:14:19am |
Q1 Answer: He’s going to sit down with Boehner and Pelosi? I bet Pelosi retires. Can’t imagine the democrats re-electing her as their leader. OTOH, most of the ones who lost weren’t as left-wing as the ones who are still there.
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SteveC Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:15:44am |
re: #15 Charles
We’re about to see two years of political insanity.
What the hell has been going on for the last two years?????
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Kragar Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:15:45am |
re: #18 Nick Schroeder
The fact that ‘common ground’ is even necessary when discussing scientific education is indicative of how fucked we are, really.
“OK, here are some immutable laws of nature which I think we can all agree on…”
“NOT SO FAST, BUSTER!”
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:15:50am |
re: #19 rwmofo
Q1 Answer: He’s going to sit down with Boehner and Pelosi? I bet Pelosi retires. Can’t imagine the democrats re-electing her as their leader. OTOH, most of the ones who lost weren’t as left-wing as the ones who are still there.
The Blue Dog representative I voted for lost. That’s semi-sweet chocolate.
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Ericus58 Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:15:57am |
re: #1 rwmofo
Another hot Republican chick unseats the Democrat incumbent.
We ought to just start calling the Republican party “The Party with the Hottest Chicks.”
dude, have some class.
Family Pic…. hello?!
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PT Barnum Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:16:29am |
re: #12 _RememberTonyC
Last night really represented the first and only political “defeat” of President Obama’s career. Sometimes you need to accept and face up to your own shortcomings before you can reinvent yourself in a productive way. I believe President Obama is capable of this, but he will have little incentive to modify his positions unless the people who “won” last night are willing to shake hands and meet him half way. So it would be wrong to expect ONLY the POTUS to modify his positions. For this to work, both sides need to compromise.
He got his clock cleaned the first time he ran for the House.
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Bob Levin Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:16:39am |
Libya is promising oil at 100 dollars a barrel. Counteract that move. Jobs, new infrastructure—don’t let that OPEC move trash the recovering US economy.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:16:59am |
re: #20 SteveC
What the hell has been going on for the last two years???
You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
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avanti Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:18:06am |
From Big Government:
“Big Government has now learned that Rep. Michele Bachmann, one of the first GOP office-holders to recognize the importance of the tea party uprising, will enter the race for GOP Conference Chair.”
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SteveC Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:18:24am |
re: #17 theheat
That was a spew coffee all over my keyboard moment. Exactly what I was thinking. Sure. Yeah. They’re craving the science.
I can’t see anyone blinding them with Science. Not even Miss Sakamoto.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:18:30am |
re: #15 Charles
Top GOP politicians have made it extremely clear that they see this election as a mandate to get even more hardened and extreme in their positions. There will not be any compromise from the GOP side. We’re about to see two years of political insanity.
We’ll see about that. If the POTUS takes the high road and sincerely works to try and find common ground, the people of this country, particularly the Independents who decide every election will give him credit for it. And if the GOP decides that they received some sweeping mandate last night and does not need to compromise, they’ll screw themselves with Independents and be punished in two years. I’m going to hope you are wrong and keep a very close eye on the behavior of the GOP.
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jordash1212 Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:18:59am |
re: #25 Bob Levin
Libya doesn’t control OPEC. Saudia Arabia does.
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PT Barnum Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:19:05am |
Obama the pragmatist: Let’s do what works.
The nutjobs that got elected: Hell with that. No compromise regardless.
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abbyadams Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:19:10am |
I have to be honest - I don’t see how this is good for anyone, and not because I play on the blue team. (For the record, I used to be purple, and now…can’t.)
Voters just bought a pig in a poke, and elected a bunch of boilerplate. It’s going to be interesting - the GOP is theocrats and other social conservatives, tea partiers, and businesspeople (primarily.) They now have to try and satisfy all of those groups…and, because they never said how they’re going to do anything, specifically, they’re likely to piss off at least one of them.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:19:35am |
re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
O’Donnell is riffing on that theme too - claiming that she lost only because the GOP establishment didn’t support her.
Right. Let’s just ignore the fact that she, like Angle, were just nuts. That they came as close as they did speaks to the weakness of their opponents, not their (O’Donnell’s or Angle’s) relative strength.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:19:55am |
re: #30 _RememberTonyC
We’ll see about that. If the POTUS takes the high road and sincerely works to try and find common ground, the people of this country, particularly the Independents who decide every election will give him credit for it. And if the GOP decides that they received some sweeping mandate last night and does not need to compromise, they’ll screw themselves with Independents and be punished in two years. I’m going to hope you are wrong and keep a very close eye on the behavior of the GOP.
I’m just relating what the new GOP House leadership has already said. I take them at their word.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:20:17am |
re: #20 SteveC
What the hell has been going on for the last two years???
Expect to see calls for hearings into Obama’s associations within the first week of the new house members being seated.
Also, expect to see birtherism openly and seriously spoken of on the House floor.
There will be a call for impeachment of President Obama within six months, which will reach debate, and quite possibly pass.
That sort of insanity.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:20:50am |
re: #26 Charles
You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
The money behind the TPs have to make a decision—go for broke or throttle them back to idle. I think the wasted opportunities in the senate will make them rethink.
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abbyadams Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:20:59am |
re: #30 _RememberTonyC
Healthcare had tons of GOP amendments, still not one person voted for it. I really don’t think that’s going to change.
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Nick Schroeder Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:21:27am |
I think I’m just going to go full retard and start writing Marco Rubio and Rick Scott e-mails demanding no more free abortions for climate scientists.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:21:38am |
re: #38 abbyadams
Obama is making a very good point right now that the health care bill is modifiable, and that repealing it wholesale doesn’t move anything forwards.
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PT Barnum Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:22:09am |
re: #27 avanti
From Big Government:
“Big Government has now learned that Rep. Michele Bachmann, one of the first GOP office-holders to recognize the importance of the tea party uprising, will enter the race for GOP Conference Chair.”
Please let her get it. That might make politics fun to watch for the next two years. Check out her interview last night with Chris Matthews.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:22:17am |
re: #41 Obdicut
Obama is making a very good point right now that the health care bill is modifiable, and that repealing it wholesale doesn’t move anything forwards.
Easy to say when he knows they don’t have a prayer of getting it repealed.
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theheat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:22:40am |
re: #35 Charles
If anyone believed the GOPs wanted to get in power to actually fix anything, I have a bridge to sell you. This is all about retribution with a socon twist. We’re looking at what amounts to a two year car swarm by the Republicans.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:22:57am |
Obama really likes the health care questions, and it’s obvious why.
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SteveC Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:22:59am |
re: #36 RadicalModerate
There will be a call for impeachment of President Obama within six months, which will reach debate, and quite possibly pass.
Then you can almost garan-damn-tee the next Republican President gets impeached. Because the elephants have already done it once, and payback is a bitch.
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abbyadams Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:23:27am |
re: #41 Obdicut
I am not against bipartisanship - far from it. I do, however, completely have my doubts. For the past 2 years it seems the GOP definition of the word is “do what we say.”
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:24:04am |
re: #43 RogueOne
Easy to say when he knows they don’t have a prayer of getting it repealed.
I think it’s easy to say when he’s showing that on most individual parts of the health care bill, the GOP is going to look very stupid trying to repeal them, since those individual parts have high levels of support.
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rwmofo Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:24:32am |
re: #22 Decatur Deb
The Blue Dog representative I voted for lost. That’s semi-sweet chocolate.
And I see that as the down-side of this election. At least with the Blue Dogs, we have a little less partisanship. Now that there aren’t as many, it will be a little tougher at first, but I feel there will be some compromise. There has to be. There will be attempts to blame any/all problems on the Republican House, but if there is a hard deadlock both sides will need to show what they’re doing to fix it. Pointing fingers doesn’t make anything happen and the voters are smart enough to understand this.
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Nick Schroeder Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:24:45am |
re: #36 RadicalModerate
There will be a call for impeachment of President Obama within six months, which will reach debate, and quite possibly pass.
What the hell would they impeach him for? Being a secret Kenyan Muslim?
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theheat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:24:59am |
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:25:24am |
re: #25 Bob Levin
Libya is promising oil at 100 dollars a barrel. Counteract that move. Jobs, new infrastructure—don’t let that OPEC move trash the recovering US economy.
The only way to counteract that move is to invest heavily in alternative fuels, something which the GOP strongly opposes.
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Kragar Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:25:59am |
So now the Tea Party gets to make the big boy decisions;
1) Keep their promises, bring the government to a halt, be responsible for missed deadlines, lack of funding for the public sector, work stoppages, and government shutdowns
or
2) Actually work to make America better, even if it means having to work with Democrats, maybe raising some taxes or engaging in some give and take to make modest gains. Of course this options means they’re dirty liars who broke every campaign promises they made.
Decisions, decisions.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:26:01am |
re: #52 Fozzie Bear
Hey Fozzie, don’t remember having seen you in awhile. How’s it going?
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RadicalModerate Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:26:04am |
re: #46 SteveC
Then you can almost garan-damn-tee the next Republican President gets impeached. Because the elephants have already done it once, and payback is a bitch.
Given the fact that they didn’t go after Bush in 2007-2008 on charges that were a hell of a lot stronger than the Scaife-manufactured crap that they tried to hang on Clinton, I kind of doubt it.
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rwmofo Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:26:31am |
“The big deficit that I inheritied.” Obama didn’t “inherit” anything. He actively campaigned for this responsibility. The President needs to get his staff to help him find his nads.
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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:26:40am |
I’ve always found Obama’s speaking somewhat soporific. Off for more tea. [That’s Tetley’s, not Rand’s.]
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Bob Levin Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:26:51am |
re: #52 Fozzie Bear
If they want to be re-elected, they’ll get on board with this. They were very clear, we only won because people are pissed—they don’t love or agree with us.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:27:09am |
re: #49 rwmofo
And I see that as the down-side of this election. At least with the Blue Dogs, we have a little less partisanship. Now that there aren’t as many, it will be a little tougher at first, but I feel there will be some compromise. There has to be. There will be attempts to blame any/all problems on the Republican House, but if there is a hard deadlock both sides will need to show what they’re doing to fix it. Pointing fingers doesn’t make anything happen and the voters are smart enough to understand this.
I did vote for him (old Dems have strong stomachs). Instead we get a Palin-endorsed momma grizzly.
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kirkspencer Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:27:31am |
re: #35 Charles
I’m just relating what the new GOP House leadership has already said. I take them at their word.
Promises made include:
1) Block all bills that aren’t fully Republican supported during the lame duck session;
2) Impeachment investigations within the first three months;
3) Refuse to raise debt ceiling;
4) Defund ACA (aka Obamacare);
5) Extend all Bush tax cuts;
6) Eliminate Estate Taxes;
7) Stop extending unemployment insurance benefits;
8) Modify (privatize) Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
9) Initiate investigations of with intent to sanction AGW supporting scientists, agencies, and organizations.
I think I’ll stop there. It’s depressing enough.
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Bob Levin Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:28:52am |
re: #56 rwmofo
You mean that he has to keep Harry Truman’s mantra in mind, always. The Buck Stops Here. Yes, he has to play that theme again and again.
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jordash1212 Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:28:59am |
re: #40 Bob Levin
Kind of. The Saudis position as the leader of the OPEC cartel, their increased cooperation with the U.S. (where do you think that tip about the latest airplane bomb came from), and the $60 billion (the largest ever) arms deal leads me to believe they are looking 50 years down the line. Quite unlike Libya who will be out of oil much sooner than the Saudis and will encounter a whole new level of destitution.
High absorber vs. low absorber. Saudi Arabia will keep prices low to maximize their profits in the long run, whereas Libya wants to cash in now. Saudi Arabia is moving closer to the U.S. for other reasons — Yemen is inching towards complete collapse and they know their oil won’t be around forever. It’s all related. So yes, I think we are going to rely on the Saudis.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:30:44am |
re: #56 rwmofo
“The big deficit that I inheritied.” Obama didn’t “inherit” anything. He actively campaigned for this responsibility. The President needs to get his staff to help him find his nads.
Yes, he actually did inherit the deficit and the financial crisis. It’s a fact, something you don’t seem too well acquainted with.
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Bob Levin Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:30:44am |
re: #62 jordash1212
That can’t be our bottom line policy—it’s been that way for too long. We need to infrastructure…I’m listening to the President right now. He’s on that topic. We have to be proactive.
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SteveC Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:31:48am |
re: #62 jordash1212
Yemen is inching towards complete collapse…
Yemen is going to turn into Somalia - with better cars.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:31:56am |
re: #50 Nick Schroeder
What the hell would they impeach him for? Being a secret Kenyan Muslim?
They’ll try to get him on that (the birtherism), or try tying him to the New Black Panthers, or just about any other JBS-fueled insanity they can think of.
People like Michelle Bachmann is going to have actual power come January, and she for one has already stated how she’s going to use that power:
Bachmann: ‘All We Should Do Is Issue Subpoenas’ If GOP Wins House (AUDIO)
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:32:20am |
re: #35 Charles
I’m just relating what the new GOP House leadership has already said. I take them at their word.
I’m sure they’re “feeling their oats” this morning. Some of the most extreme GOP candidates like Angle and O’Donnell lost elections that more moderate GOP candidates may have won. If that lesson is lost on the GOP leadership, they’ll pay the price. I’m sure there are also many Dems who feel THEY lost because THEY weren’t far enough to the “left.” Some of them are posters in this forum. Let’s let the dust settle over the next few months and give them all (Dems and Repubs) a chance to do the right thing. It’s not like the President has always been the most magnanamous (sp?) guy, as those he called “enemies” probably feel. The President will set the tone just as much as the GOP leadership.
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:32:31am |
re: #60 kirkspencer
Promises made include:
1) Block all bills that aren’t fully Republican supported during the lame duck session;
2) Impeachment investigations within the first three months;
3) Refuse to raise debt ceiling;
4) Defund ACA (aka Obamacare);
5) Extend all Bush tax cuts;
6) Eliminate Estate Taxes;
7) Stop extending unemployment insurance benefits;
8) Modify (privatize) Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
9) Initiate investigations of with intent to sanction AGW supporting scientists, agencies, and organizations.I think I’ll stop there. It’s depressing enough.
When I read this sort of list I can’t help but get a picture in my head of a symphony of Neros fiddling while Rome smolders around them.
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jordash1212 Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:32:31am |
re: #64 Bob Levin
Obviously, but building infrastructure is slow and certainly isn’t speeding up after these elections. Short term and longterm policy have to be juggled.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:33:07am |
re: #54 Obdicut
Hey Fozzie, don’t remember having seen you in awhile. How’s it going?
I’m still standing. I’ve been avoiding politics for the several weeks leading up to the election, as is my habit. The stupid just gets too powerful for me, and I have to tune it out.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:33:40am |
Hmm, maybe by extending the tax cuts before the election instead of now they could have saved 6 -10 seats?
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funky chicken Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:35:02am |
re: #59 Decatur Deb
I did vote for him (old Dems have strong stomachs). Instead we get a Palin-endorsed momma grizzly.
Bummer. Serious bummer.
I do blame Pelosi for a lot of the House losses. She was a really poor choice for Speaker of the House for lots of reasons—she’s kinda dumb, really bad on camera, and behaved badly (the whole abuse of military air travel, among other personal stupidity), and her refusal to be transparent after promising she would, etc.
Sadly, Jim Marshall lost in Georgia. He was a good Democrat who represented his district very well. I’d guess the guy who beat him is anti-science and anti-choice, among other things, knowing the district.
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Bob Levin Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:35:18am |
re: #69 jordash1212
The governors have the most flexibility here. One of the governors will have to step up. Washington will follow that lead, especially if it’s effective. It’s going to be an interplay between Washington and the states. This would be the best scenario.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:35:47am |
re: #71 RogueOne
Yes, it was a tactical move by the GOP to block the extension of the tax cuts for all other than those making $250,000 a year.
Ironically enough, Obama is addressing that right now.
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jordash1212 Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:36:37am |
re: #74 Bob Levin
Not as long as the states’ economies are in the toilet. They are all facing east with their hands out and cupped begging for the tap to open.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:37:14am |
re: #71 RogueOne
Hmm, maybe by extending the tax cuts before the election instead of now they could have saved 6 -10 seats?
The GOP? They gained seats. What they hell are you talking about? Are you unaware that the GOP blocked the extension?
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:37:35am |
When the Bush tax cuts passed Democrats were arguing that lowering taxes hurt the economy? thats what I remember
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SteveC Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:37:37am |
re: #76 jordash1212
Not as long as the states’ economies are in the toilet. They are all facing east with their hands out and cupped begging for the tap to open.
The Feds are just as bad off as they are. All they’ll get is sand.
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Bob Levin Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:38:20am |
re: #76 jordash1212
It takes one governor to creatively deal with this problem. That’s it. History frequently moves because one guy gets the solution to a national or world problem.
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rwmofo Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:38:25am |
re: #63 Charles
Yes, he actually did inherit the deficit and the financial crisis. It’s a fact, something you don’t seem too well acquainted with.
I’m fully aware of what has happened and how we got here. Why can’t he just illustrate how he plans to move forward? I’d like to see examples instead of him reminding everyone all problems are caused by Republicans. If he comes across a little less divisive he can start to win over the other side. Clinton was in the exact same scenario in 1994 and believed the media while they continually told him he was their hero. Only when the polls showed that the Republicans’ idea to balance the budget was the mitigating factor for his reelection did he finally compromise. He may also want to re-think his continual assault on the private sector.
Just sayin’.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:38:33am |
re: #78 ron paul
When the Bush tax cuts passed Democrats were arguing that lowering taxes hurt the economy? thats what I remember
Shouldn’t be hard for you to post a few links, then.
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funky chicken Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:39:40am |
re: #63 Charles
Yes, he actually did inherit the deficit and the financial crisis. It’s a fact, something you don’t seem too well acquainted with.
Along with a nation whose manufacturing base has been decimated by years of corporate decisions to move factories out of the country. Here’s a 60 Minutes story about a small town in Iowa that lost its Maytag factory in 2007, and how it has thrown the area into a depression:
It’s amazing that a majority of folks like this blame the democrats for their financial problems…..and want to elect more republicans, who will give corporations more incentives to offshore factories.
Bizarre.
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Bob Levin Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:39:55am |
It will be interesting to see how the new House responds to this. Because now the President is on point.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:39:56am |
re: #78 ron paul
When the Bush tax cuts passed Democrats were arguing that lowering taxes hurt the economy? thats what I remember
The Bush tax cuts were enacted using reconciliation. If the Dems supported them, why would the GOP use reconciliation to push them through?
That’s called a rhetorical question.
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:39:58am |
re: #82 Decatur Deb
My Dem buddys were telling me thats what tanked the economy.
I was arguing that the .com bubble combined with 9-11 did it.
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kirkspencer Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:40:23am |
re: #81 rwmofo
I’m fully aware of what has happened and how we got here. Why can’t he just illustrate how he plans to move forward? I’d like to see examples instead of him reminding everyone all problems are caused by Republicans. If he comes across a little less divisive he can start to win over the other side. Clinton was in the exact same scenario in 1994 and believed the media while they continually told him he was their hero. Only when the polls showed that the Republicans’ idea to balance the budget was the mitigating factor for his reelection did he finally compromise. He may also want to re-think his continual assault on the private sector.
Just sayin’.
He did illustrate a plan. And the Republicans took it, negotiated for direct stimulus to be replaced with indirect stimulus, reduced the already too small package, and then fought hard to not get even that passed, delaying it by several months.
Just saying.
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theheat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:41:03am |
re: #73 funky chicken
Mostly, people hated her. She’s kind of odd, she blinks a lot, she’s a team player Democrat, she didn’t pursue impeaching Bush - there were lots of reasons people hated her. (Though I think she’s pretty fashionable, actually.) And the airplane thing attained legend status among the hundreds of thousands of wingnut FW FW emails. And like most FW FW wingnut emails, it was total horseshit. That’s lame to even apply it.
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jordash1212 Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:41:10am |
re: #79 SteveC
Kind of. I think this dances around the fundamental difference that was at play in this election. The question of government intervention in the economy is essential. The Obama administration believes in taking a classical approach, “priming the pump.” Rack up more debt to invest in the people and states and raise taxes to pay off the debt. With the incoming political gridlock, I don’t expect that kind of spending to happen.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:41:20am |
re: #81 rwmofo
I’m fully aware of what has happened and how we got here. Why can’t he just illustrate how he plans to move forward? I’d like to see examples instead of him reminding everyone all problems are caused by Republicans. If he comes across a little less divisive he can start to win over the other side. Clinton was in the exact same scenario in 1994 and believed the media while they continually told him he was their hero. Only when the polls showed that the Republicans’ idea to balance the budget was the mitigating factor for his reelection did he finally compromise. He may also want to re-think his continual assault on the private sector.
Just sayin’.
How could he possibly come across less divisive? Should he just join the GOP?
This meme runs so strongly counter to the reality that I honestly doubt that anyone making it has any understanding of what has happened the last 2 years.
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OLDHEAD Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:41:30am |
Well all I had to do was click on an advertiser here to see Pat Toomey’s masters. Stop Bowing to Foreign Dictators but Winning Awards are Great
After all, it’s priorities.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:41:32am |
re: #75 Obdicut
Yes, it was a tactical move by the GOP to block the extension of the tax cuts for all other than those making $250,000 a year.
Ironically enough, Obama is addressing that right now.
Yep, those sneaky republicans made sure it never even came up for a vote. Incredible power for the minority don’t you think?
The dems chose not to bring it to a vote, they chose unwisely.
thehill.com
A rift between centrist and liberal Democrats in both chambers of Congress has derailed plans for House and Senate votes on extending tax cuts before the election.Senior Senate Democrats said they plan to leave Washington by the end of next week without voting on an extension of the George W. Bush-era tax rates, which are set to expire at the end of the year.
A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) announced the decision in a statement that blamed Republicans for holding up tax cuts for the middle class in order to prevent a tax hike on wealthier taxpayers.
…….
Liberal lawmakers in both chambers had pressed their leaders to schedule a vote on legislation that would make permanent the tax cuts for families earning below $250,000 but allow the rates for families above that threshold to rise. Families in the top brackets would see their income tax rates rise from 33 and 35 percent to 36 and 39.6 percent, respectively.Centrists and Democrats facing tough reelections, however, balked at voting for any tax increases. Republicans have argued for an extension of all of the current tax rates, which became law during the Bush administration.
Sen. Evan Bayh, a centrist Democrat from Indiana, said the divisions in his party emerged in stark contrast during the lunchtime meeting.
“A majority of opinion was probably for having a vote, but for a majority of people who were running, maybe not,” he said.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:42:31am |
re: #86 ron paul
My Dem buddys were telling me thats what tanked the economy.
I was arguing that the .com bubble combined with 9-11 did it.
So the dotcom bubble and 9-11 only began to tank the economy 7 or so years later?
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:42:53am |
re: #77 Fozzie Bear
The GOP? They gained seats. What they hell are you talking about? Are you unaware that the GOP blocked the extension?
Yes, I’m unaware of that maneuver. Maybe you can point me to something that shows how they managed to do it that doesn’t come from a Reid press release? All I can seem to find are right wing sources like Reuters and the AP saying the dems chose not to bring it up.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:43:04am |
re: #86 ron paul
My Dem buddys were telling me thats what tanked the economy.
I was arguing that the .com bubble combined with 9-11 did it.
Unrequited default credit swaps tanked the economy. Bushco tax cuts and off book accounting of two wars made the deficit so huge, when it came time to try to ease the pain, there has been little to no room to wiggle.
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engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:43:10am |
re: #78 ron paul
When the Bush tax cuts passed Democrats were arguing that lowering taxes hurt the economy? thats what I remember
no, when clinton passed tax increases in the early 90s, republicans argued that it would surely tank the economy
please refer to history to note that the opposite happened
when bush passed tax cuts, democrats were arguing that it would increase the deficit
please refer to history to note that this is what has happened
note to republicans: ignorance is not strength, and it will be a really crappy basis to govern on
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:43:37am |
re: #93 Fozzie Bear
So the dotcom bubble and 9-11 only began to tank the economy 7 or so years later?
He must be referring to Pres. GWB’s first economic crash.
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funky chicken Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:43:50am |
re: #88 theheat
Oh, it’s not horseshit. My husband’s an AF pilot, and she definitely abused that program. Denny Hastert abused it too, but to a far smaller extent. Let’s just say that I am not holding my breath for Teatards to keep screaming about it now that Pelosi’s not using it.
If Boehner was a decent representative he’d announce his plan to go back to flying coach commercial, effective immediately.
Are you holding your breath? :-)
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:43:58am |
re: #93 Fozzie Bear
Fozzie, the economy tanked in 2001 as well
please do not ask me to provide a link
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:44:46am |
re: #99 ron paul
Fozzie, the economy tanked in 2001 as well
please do not ask me to provide a link
Oh silly me, here I thought people were worried about the recession we are in rather than the one that has been over for half a decade. Carry on.
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cliffster Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:45:26am |
re: #97 Decatur Deb
He must be referring to Pres. GWB’s first economic crash.
George Bush inherited a recession. People forget that for some reason.
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Stanghazi Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:45:27am |
Shorter Obama: This election does not mean I’m going to accept Republican ideas I think are dumb
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rwmofo Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:45:40am |
re: #83 funky chicken
Along with a nation whose manufacturing base has been decimated by years of corporate decisions to move factories out of the country. Here’s a 60 Minutes story about a small town in Iowa that lost its Maytag factory in 2007, and how it has thrown the area into a depression:
[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]
It’s amazing that a majority of folks like this blame the democrats for their financial problems…and want to elect more republicans, who will give corporations more incentives to offshore factories.
Bizarre.
Punitive US tax policies cause corporations to look at the best way to make a profit. Do they (corporations and Republicans) want to keep all the money here? Of course. Republicans aren’t trying to give corporations incentives to take their investments overseas.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:45:44am |
re: #92 RogueOne
Not really incredible power, no. Just the real, actual power of the minority.
Senate GOP leaders declared on Monday that Republicans are, to a person, opposed to legislation that would extend only middle-class tax relief — which Obama has repeatedly promised to deliver — if Democrats follow through on plans to let tax rates rise for the wealthiest Americans.
McConnell has said a bill extending the tax cuts for only low- and middle-income earners cannot pass the Senate, but he declined to reiterate that threat on Monday. Republicans control 41 seats, the minimum needed for a successful bill-killing filibuster, though McConnell spokesman Don Stewart declined to say whether all 41 Republicans would support a filibuster.
To amplify his point, McConnell on Monday introduced a bill to extend to Bush tax cuts indefinitely for all income ranges.
Some Democrats, like Sens. Kent Conrad of North Dakota, Evan Bayh of Indiana and Ben Nelson of Nebraska, are siding with Republicans against raising taxes on anyone during a fragile economic recovery.
So, you’re in a small measure right; the GOP, along with conservative Democrats, blocks the extension of the tax cuts for everyone but those making more than $250,000. The GOP publicly stated they would block anything other than an extension that included a cut for those over $250,000.
What are you not understanding about that?
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:46:07am |
re: #101 cliffster
George Bush inherited a recession. People forget that for some reason.
He also inherited a budget surplus. People seem to forget that, too.
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Bob Levin Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:46:10am |
re: #86 ron paul
Don’t you remember what happened? OPEC raised prices, the cost of filling up 4 times a month equaled a mortgage payment, and then the dominoes started to fall. At least that’s my recollection.
Let’s hope the President does the Harry Truman thing in the future. This is important.
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engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:46:15am |
re: #86 ron paul
My Dem buddys were telling me thats what tanked the economy.
I was arguing that the .com bubble combined with 9-11 did it.
i’ll see if i can’t round up a few news reports for you so that you can catch up on what’s been happening in the country for the past 20 years
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theheat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:46:21am |
re: #98 funky chicken
Okay, so your husband is a pilot and says it’s true, so it must be? Been fact-checked already. It’s bullshit. Worse, it’s really old, tired, debunked bullshit. Sorry it’s precious to you, but it’s still bullshit.
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engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:46:37am |
re: #102 Stanley Sea
Shorter Obama: This election does not mean I’m going to accept Republican ideas I think are dumb
one can only hope
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:46:54am |
re: #101 cliffster
yeah, started in January 2000
Please dont ask for a link
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Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:46:56am |
re: #81 rwmofo
I’m fully aware of what has happened and how we got here. Why can’t he just illustrate how he plans to move forward? I’d like to see examples instead of him reminding everyone all problems are caused by Republicans. If he comes across a little less divisive he can start to win over the other side. Clinton was in the exact same scenario in 1994 and believed the media while they continually told him he was their hero. Only when the polls showed that the Republicans’ idea to balance the budget was the mitigating factor for his reelection did he finally compromise. He may also want to re-think his continual assault on the private sector.
Just sayin’.
Right wing talking point word salad.
Just sayin’.
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blueraven Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:47:05am |
re: #97 Decatur Deb
He must be referring to Pres. GWB’s first economic crash.
The one he inherited? /
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:47:07am |
re: #103 rwmofo
Republicans aren’t trying to give corporations incentives to take their investments overseas.
Why do they do so, then?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:47:12am |
re: #101 cliffster
George Bush inherited a recession. People forget that for some reason.
I just saw that presidents campaign for recessions, they don’t inherit them.
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MinisterO Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:48:11am |
re: #114 Decatur Deb
I just saw that presidents campaign for recessions, they don’t inherit them.
Ahhh when talking points collide…
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Lidane Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:48:17am |
re: #36 RadicalModerate
If they seriously try to impeach the President due to birther garbage, the GOP can kiss the 2012 election goodbye. It’s that simple.
I honestly hope they go for it. Let their freak flags fly and go full retard over the next two years. Please. It will only send the GOP into the electoral wilderness like the Dems back in the 80’s.
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SteveC Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:49:06am |
re: #107 engineer dog
i’ll see if i can’t round up a few news reports for you so that you can catch up on what’s been happening in the country for the past 20 years
I heard a rumor about this thing called “The Internet…”
//
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cliffster Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:49:36am |
re: #114 Decatur Deb
I just saw that presidents campaign for recessions, they don’t inherit them.
I also don’t want presidents to feel like it’s their job to pull the country out of recessions.
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:49:58am |
re: #106 Bob Levin
no I remember a big minimum wage increase, followed by a spike in unemployment among americans making minimum wage, followed by a downturn which was amplified by the Fannie May Freddie Mac mortgage fraud.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:50:12am |
re: #104 Obdicut
Not really incredible power, no. Just the real, actual power of the minority.
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]
So, you’re in a small measure right; the GOP, along with conservative Democrats, blocks the extension of the tax cuts for everyone but those making more than $250,000. The GOP publicly stated they would block anything other than an extension that included a cut for those over $250,000.
What are you not understanding about that?
So just saying “we’re opposed” kept the majority from even bringing it up. Evan Bayh, a dem, isn’t lying when he pointed out that his own party decided to put it aside rather than raise taxes on anyone. You can’t blame republicans for the failure of the dems to bring it up for a vote.
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rwmofo Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:50:19am |
re: #111 Charles
Right wing talking point word salad.
Just sayin’.
Heh. Well, I am a right-winger. And thanks again for letting me throw the ball around in your yard.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:50:29am |
He got one friendly question so far.
Liberal media!!eleventy1!
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Stanghazi Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:51:02am |
re: #119 ron paul
OK, this is getting really tiring.
You need to do some internet surfing, fact checking, and linking to get any respect on this blog.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:51:16am |
re: #120 RogueOne
I’m sorry, do you think that the GOP was lying about their opposition to tax cuts for the middle class that didn’t include cuts for those making over $250,000?
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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:51:25am |
re: #121 rwmofo
Heh. Well, I am a right-winger. And thanks again for letting me throw the ball around in your yard.
Try pumping your ball up a little. It’s getting really flat.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:51:38am |
re: #118 cliffster
I also don’t want presidents to feel like it’s their job to pull the country out of recessions.
That’s a fairly good pivot point for the Left/Right divide. If he gets blamed for not doing it, it’s in his hidden job description.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:51:41am |
Media to President Obama: “Admit it! You screwed up! Now are you sorry? See how you are?”
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Bob Levin Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:52:19am |
re: #119 ron paul
The minimum wage workers were kids. That caused kids not to get hired. I’m talking about the folks in the housing business, flipping houses, not able to make mortgage payments, and then that dovetails with Fannie and Freddie.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:52:34am |
Whoa. I just got another call from a recruiter!
Maybe the economy really IS turning around.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:52:49am |
re: #128 Charles
Media to President Obama: “Admit it! You screwed up! Now are you sorry? See how you are?”
WE ONLY BEAT YOU BECAUSE WE LOVE YOU!!! BITCH STOP BLEEDING ON THE NEW CARPETS!!! DON’T MAKE PAPA ANGRY NOW!!!
yeeeeehaaaaaaa
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:53:02am |
re: #123 Stanley Sea
OK, this is getting really tiring.
You need to do some internet surfing, fact checking, and linking to get any respect on this blog.
Why are you trolling him, Libtard? Factsies are only important in bizarro world.
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:53:38am |
Please do not change and work with the other side like Clinton did.
I think Americans voted to change Washington, not America.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:53:46am |
re: #130 Alouette
Slowly, but well in time for 2012. (Congrats)
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:53:47am |
re: #93 Fozzie Bear
Lots of fuzzy logic with that one (that would be luap nor).
Bush came into office on the heels of the dot com bust and the 9/11 attacks caused significant economic disruptions. Congress passed and Bush signed the EGTRRA of 2001 in response. Some of the tax cut provisions were accelerated in 2003 under the JGTRRA of 2003. In both cases, the tax cuts expire after 2010, meaning that the rates revert to the pre-cut levels unless Congress now acts.
Raising taxes into the teeth of a recessionary environment isn’t a good idea politically, and doesn’t make much sense economically.
The reason that these tax cuts are expiring is because doing so was so that the Congress could claim that the budget was revenue neutral for CBO scoring purposes and to ensure passage.
I do think that there is room for negotiation on the tax system, and it could involve three distinct but related components.
1) Create a new tax bracket at either 40 or 45% while keeping the other rates where they are.
2) Anyone making more than $1.5 million or $5 million (and thereafter indexed for inflation just as with other tax brackets) would be subject to the new rate - but not entitled to credits, deductions, or exceptions.
3) Along with the new bracket, eliminate the AMT so as to simplify the tax structure (and that would eliminate the yearly game of Congress manually adjusting the AMT levels).
You would get tax simplification, improved compliance, and the revenues necessary to help close the deficit. The rate and bracket would be based on a revenue neutral aspect so as to eliminate the AMT but pick up additional revenue. I’d lean to the 40% and $1.5 million threshold, and a further compromise could involve allowing limited credits and deductions up to $5 million, but no credits and deductions thereafter.
And once you see how well that works, you could reevaluate the tax code for the other tax brackets in a similar fashion so as to simplify the collection and compliance.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:53:49am |
re: #124 Obdicut
I’m sorry, do you think that the GOP was lying about their opposition to tax cuts for the middle class that didn’t include cuts for those making over $250,000?
Who knows, since the dems chose not to make them vote on it we’ll never know now will we? The problem wasn’t that the repubs were against it, the problem is they were going to have too many dems vote to keep the extensions for everyone. Blaming the minority for the lack of will on the part of the majority is pretty weak.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:54:22am |
re: #133 ron paul
Please do not change and work with the other side like Clinton did.
I think Americans voted to change Washington, not America.
ROFL
Moron.
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theheat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:54:30am |
re: #130 Alouette
You’re >< this close. Things are turning around. Good luck.
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funky chicken Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:55:53am |
re: #103 rwmofo
I recently heard the CEO of a large, publicly held multinational company complain that high corporate taxes were a significant impediment to job creation. The U.S. imposes taxes of 35 percent on corporate income—even on cash that is earned in lower-tax countries. So, being economically rational creatures, corporate finance honchos are inclined to keep and invest that cash abroad—unless, of course, Washington were prepared to declare some sort of tax holiday.
In effect, large multinational corporations are holding money for ransom. Give us a big tax break, they say, or else hundreds of billions of dollars will never see their fellow Americans again. “Bringing the cash back to the U.S. has two advantages,” Keith Sherin, chief financial officer at General Electric, told the Financial Times recently while making the case for a tax holiday. “It would bring some additional revenues to the U.S. Treasury, because there would be some tax paid on it which is not being paid today. Companies then could decide what to do with that cash.”
BS
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RadicalModerate Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:55:59am |
Oh good lord- I think I see where some of these trolls are coming from.
Referrer links show that this thread is being pointed to from 4chan’s /new/ discussion group. The group is basically the fever swamp without any moderation whatsoever.
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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:56:00am |
He compared himself to Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton! Who does he think he is?!?
oh, wait…
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:56:12am |
re: #138 ron paul
i mean yeah people borrowing too much because of easy credit contributed too
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Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:56:26am |
The “left wing media” seems to be almost unanimously asking right wingish questions today.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:56:31am |
Someone point me to where I’m wrong. Show me what maneuver the republicans used to keep it from coming to a vote. Just saying “we’re against it” isn’t good enough.
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engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:56:50am |
re: #103 rwmofo
Republicans aren’t trying to give corporations incentives to take their investments overseas.
i don’t have the links at my fingertips, but, uh,
i believe that republicans have given corporations tax breaks that make it easier for them to move our jobs overseas
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:56:59am |
re: #136 RogueOne
So saying that the GOP promised to block the tax cuts, which they could do and had the party discipline to do, as they’ve repeatedly proved, simply doesn’t matter because some Democrats didn’t promise to vote party-line?
I’m supposed to blame the Democrats as a whole for not having iron-clad party discipline, blame them for something supported by all Republicans? How does that make any sense to you?
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Bob Levin Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:57:01am |
re: #138 ron paul
Maybe not. But if you take away one mortgage payment from people in the real estate business, that makes an impact.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:57:15am |
re: #144 Charles
The “left wing media” seems to be almost unanimously asking right wingish questions today.
There never was a left wing media. At least, not in the past 20 years or so.
It’s the meme that just won’t die.
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rwmofo Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:57:16am |
Does anyone know if Pelosi is planning on addressing the media today? While I give the President high marks on his performance in the Q&A today, I’d really like to see her take on some serious questions right now.
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Kragar Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:57:19am |
re: #141 RadicalModerate
Oh good lord- I think I see where some of these trolls are coming from.
Referrer links show that this thread is being pointed to from 4chan’s /new/ discussion group. The group is basically the fever swamp without any moderation whatsoever.
Hey, who doesn’t like tentacle porn?
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:58:24am |
re: #151 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Hey, who doesn’t like tentacle porn?
As a tentacle, I find it extremely arousing.
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cliffster Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:58:29am |
re: #127 Decatur Deb
That’s a fairly good pivot point for the Left/Right divide. If he gets blamed for not doing it, it’s in his hidden job description.
Not by me. I want the president to keep me safe from invaders and to veto stupid legislation. I’m pretty old school like that though.
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Kragar Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:58:29am |
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theheat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:58:35am |
re: #150 rwmofo
Like, if she’s a witch, and what magazines she reads?
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funky chicken Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:58:43am |
Two important articles to read back to back, actually:
Anger in Iowa town because Maytag moved the factory to Mexico in 2007:
cbsnews.com
Big companies want big tax breaks:
newsweek.com
But people blame the economic problems on democrats?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:58:47am |
re: #150 rwmofo
Does anyone know if Pelosi is planning on addressing the media today? While I give the President high marks on his performance in the Q&A today, I’d really like to see her take on some serious questions right now.
She has been punished for her sins, real and imagined.
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rwmofo Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:59:22am |
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:59:25am |
re: #147 Obdicut
No, I’m saying you can’t blame the minority for the actions of the majority. The repubs also said they were against the stimulus plan and HCR and yet the dems still managed to bring both to a vote. The minority is always saying they’re against something and yet things still manage to get voted on. Unless you can point to a stop maneuver played by the repubs in the senate then you need to place blame where it belongs.
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funky chicken Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:59:47am |
re: #152 Stanley Sea
He’s so calm and cerebral.
He’s trying to hypnotize the electorate! Cover your ears!
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Kragar Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:59:48am |
Hey Floral, new Wheel of Time book just came out.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:00:13am |
re: #145 RogueOne
Someone point me to where I’m wrong. Show me what maneuver the republicans used to keep it from coming to a vote. Just saying “we’re against it” isn’t good enough.
It really is, though. They have shown they are able to block whatever legislation that they want. I’m not certain why you’re refusing to acknowledge what has, in reality, happened.
The Democrats didn’t invoke a vote on cloture because they knew they’d lose, and they figured— wrongly, I believe— that they could deal with this better after the election.
Do you not understand the way the Senate works, or something? Or do you not understand that the GOP has voted entirely along party lines with incredible regularity?
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:00:16am |
re: #157 funky chicken
Two important articles to read back to back, actually:
Anger in Iowa town because Maytag moved the factory to Mexico in 2007:
[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]Big companies want big tax breaks:
[Link: www.newsweek.com…]But people blame the economic problems on democrats?
Some day soon we can all sit around ideologically pure barrels burning the ideologically pure remains of our former economic might, congratulating ourselves that “at least we ain’t socialists”.
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:00:16am |
re: #83 funky chicken
Along with a nation whose manufacturing base has been decimated by years of corporate decisions to move factories out of the country. Here’s a 60 Minutes story about a small town in Iowa that lost its Maytag factory in 2007, and how it has thrown the area into a depression:
[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]
It’s amazing that a majority of folks like this blame the democrats for their financial problems…and want to elect more republicans, who will give corporations more incentives to offshore factories.
Bizarre.
I think it’s more a blame whoever is politically in charge because someone must be at fault for this happening.
Serious question though beyond anything partisan, what could any party do to stem this sort of trend without occurring the wrath of the general business forces that both parties are beholden too and would would happen to the broader economy if they did? Then there is the fact that this sort of trending is basically due to the most basic market mechanisms of supply and demand, vs cost. Capital generally moves where it’s cheapest to operate.
I know there are arguments (from both sides) that it’s this reg (like enviro regs) or this tax or that tax so get rid of those, that makes it not so cheap but really when you drill right down is as much to due with labor costs as well as the generalized costs of doing business in whatever country the company moves too which are much, much lower over all. The problem then becomes that in order to really reduce all costs to the level where it become more competative then it requires basically moving the people and the standard down to the level of the competitor. In many cases that would lead to a standard of living that even some of the poorest of Americans would generally find quite appalling and affecting other levels of the economy in a big way so you’re likely in a scenario where you’d just be trading one thing off for another and still not coming out ahead.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:00:31am |
re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Hey Floral, new Wheel of Time book just came out.
Is it over?
Seriously over? This is the what? Eighty-second in the series.
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Kragar Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:00:38am |
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:00:46am |
re: #160 RogueOne
No, I’m saying you can’t blame the minority for the actions of the majority. The repubs also said they were against the stimulus plan and HCR and yet the dems still managed to bring both to a vote. The minority is always saying they’re against something and yet things still manage to get voted on. Unless you can point to a stop maneuver played by the repubs in the senate then you need to place blame where it belongs.
I do. I place the blame with the GOP and the handful of Democrats who sided with them.
Why is that hard for you to grasp?
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:01:18am |
re: #168 Obdicut
I do. I place the blame with the GOP and the handful of Democrats who sided with them.
Why is that hard for you to grasp?
He doesn’t know what a filibuster is, I guess.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:01:25am |
re: #130 Alouette
Whoa. I just got another call from a recruiter!
Maybe the economy really IS turning around.
It’s a scam to get you out of the house so they can sneak in and take the backup TV. They *are* serious about preventing you from watching FOX, even after the election…
/ ;)
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:01:42am |
re: #145 RogueOne
Someone point me to where I’m wrong. Show me what maneuver the republicans used to keep it from coming to a vote. Just saying “we’re against it” isn’t good enough.
I agree with you. The Democrats didn’t have the balls to shove (it) in their faces. (look, I worked in a Tea Bagger metaphor there.) There was much hand wringing at places like Washington Monthly and The Plum line, both bastions of center left blo, er I mean, socialist mind control. They let the issue bump up against campain season, then left it hanging,
Let ‘em expire. All of them.
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:01:53am |
re: #137 Fozzie Bear
yeah, Before 1994 President Clinton was enacting assault weapons bans, and trying to pass Hillary care, afterwards He out conservatived the conservatives on balancing the budget, ending welfare as we knew it, ect.
Im talking about after the 1994 mid term and before His second term, the stains on the blue dress, what is, is, and the definition of sexual relations.
President Clinton’s golden years.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:02:16am |
re: #134 Decatur Deb
Slowly, but well in time for 2012. (Congrats)
No congrats due yet, I have not had a job offer, but getting called by more than one recruiter at a time, for two different jobs, is awesome!
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Kragar Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:02:19am |
re: #166 EmmmieG
Is it over?
Seriously over? This is the what? Eighty-second in the series.
One more book to go, out next year, but Tarman Gai’dan has begun.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:02:54am |
Here’s the Reuters story:
No tax cut vote before election: Democrat
reuters.com
The Senate will not vote on renewing Bush-era tax cuts before the November 2 elections, a spokesman for the Majority leader said on Thursday, as Democrats face internal divisions and potential Republican obstacles.
Potential obstacles? ‘They might vote against us”? They took a calculated risk and it cost them.
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Bob Levin Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:02:57am |
re: #143 ron paul
Yes, and the banks were too happy to lend. There was one move that I think they could have made, at least it seems like it would have worked, which is to take the stimulus money and get it to the banks from the bottom up. Instead of giving it directly to the banks, they give it to the people, who will deposit it into the banks. Hence, folks could have paid debts, caught up on mortgages, bought cars and durable goods, and restocked the banks in one swoop.
I’m not sure how this is a bad idea. But as everyone was reading about the stimulus money, everyone was taking out their calculators and seeing exactly how bottom up would have helped. It came out to either 25,000 or 100,000 per family, or per person. I don’t recall which. But circulating that money up to the banks would have avoided a great many problems.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:03:04am |
My last nerve is starting to talk to me again.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:04:05am |
re: #173 Alouette
It means you’re getting though the gatekeepers’ filters.
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:04:23am |
re: #148 Bob Levin
I think the initial hiccup was the minimum wage raise, a lot of businesses were right on the edge with thier pricing, did You notice the immediate spike in fast food prices?
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celticdragon Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:04:24am |
re: #9 theheat
They can wear that banner right under Climate Change Deniers, Flat Earthers, Homophobes, Xenophobes, Misogynists, and Most Closeted Family Values Hypocrites. Hell yeah, let’s party!
Don’t forget the bit where they also refuse to raise the debt ceiling next March and force the country into default for the first time in history as the DOW crashes 2000 points in one hour.
Priorities!
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:04:32am |
re: #175 RogueOne
Here’s the Reuters story:
No tax cut vote before election: Democrat
[Link: www.reuters.com…]Potential obstacles? ‘They might vote against us”? They took a calculated risk and it cost them.
There was nothing “potential” about it. It was a certainty. The GOP promised to block any extension of the tax cuts that wasn’t wholesale. These are the facts.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:06:10am |
re: #169 Fozzie Bear
He doesn’t know what a filibuster is, I guess.
There was no filibuster. There was no attempt at a vote. There was nothing other than a vague “We don’t like it” from the minority. Now they’ve decided, after the elections, that maybe extending the tax cuts is the smart thing to do. They should have thought of that a month ago and saved themselves some seats.
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Bob Levin Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:06:13am |
re: #179 ron paul
I don’t eat fast food, but we’re just playing now, yes?
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:06:40am |
re: #176 Bob Levin
Your math is a little off - at $900 billion, with a population of 300 million, you’d be talking about $3,000 a person if the stimulus was doled out to individuals rather than in the bailout (TARP) and/or later stimulus (ARRA of 2009). It would be higher if you categorize as taxpayer as opposed to individuals (since it would encompass head of households, joint taxpayers, and families), but not anywhere near $25,000, let alone $100,000.
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engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:06:41am |
re: #179 ron paul
I think the initial hiccup was the minimum wage raise, a lot of businesses were right on the edge with thier pricing, did You notice the immediate spike in fast food prices?
i think you should pressure your employer to lower your wages or salary by 20% so that he can be more competitive and lower prices
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theheat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:07:07am |
re: #180 celticdragon
Like I said upthread, it isn’t about solving problems. This is about retribution. Cutting off their nose to spite their face, and imposing as much pain as possible on the godless minions that dared to forsake them in 2008.
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Bob Levin Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:07:16am |
I’m sorry, but I have to run. I’m late as I type. Bye all.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:07:22am |
re: #177 Charles
My last nerve is starting to talk to me again.
Yeah, well, I’ve lost my marbles.
(Which is my fault; I let the five year-old play with the Chinese checkers set.)
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:07:41am |
re: #185 engineer dog
i think you should pressure your employer to lower your wages or salary by 20% so that he can be more competitive and lower prices
You are talking to a republican. He just did exactly that yesterday.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:07:54am |
re: #185 engineer dog
i think you should pressure your employer to lower your wages or salary by 20% so that he can be more competitive and lower prices
If you go back to the 1880s employers did just that…
Which might help explain some of the worker agitation, unionizing attempts, and related violence for that era.
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celticdragon Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:08:27am |
re: #160 RogueOne
No, I’m saying you can’t blame the minority for the actions of the majority. The repubs also said they were against the stimulus plan and HCR and yet the dems still managed to bring both to a vote. The minority is always saying they’re against something and yet things still manage to get voted on. Unless you can point to a stop maneuver played by the repubs in the senate then you need to place blame where it belongs.
Virtually every bill in the Senate had to have a cloture vote last year, which is a first in our history. Over one hundrd attempts to over-ride filibusters.
Also, Jim DeMint was putting personal holds on literally every bill as well and was forcing every other Senator to clear their bills with him.
So much for the GOP leadership. A 1st term senator from SC decided he was the majority leader in a minority party.
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:08:28am |
re: #176 Bob Levin
the banks were required to lend, so they asked, “if we lower our standards, can we bundle this crap up and sell it as a security?”
Then we had the housing bubble and all the bad stuff that followed.
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Political Atheist Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:08:53am |
re: #14 wrenchwench
Common ground in science education? Don’t count on it.
Focus on Newton rather than Darwin for a start. To put it briefly… Keep up the good fight at the school boards and test standards (is evolution in the SAT’s?) and push undeniable physics to set the stage for Darwin as welcome data. Just for an idea.
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engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:09:04am |
re: #184 lawhawk
i’m not really following this discussion closely, but a big upding to you for actually using that math and numbers stuff
i’m hoping to see republicans begin to use actual math and numbers in their political discussions sometime in the near future
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:09:11am |
re: #182 RogueOne
There was no filibuster. There was no attempt at a vote. There was nothing other than a vague “We don’t like it” from the minority. Now they’ve decided, after the elections, that maybe extending the tax cuts is the smart thing to do. They should have thought of that a month ago and saved themselves some seats.
re: #192 celticdragon
Virtually every bill in the Senate had to have a cloture vote last year, which is a first in our history. Over one hundrd attempts to over-ride filibusters.
Also, Jim DeMint was putting personal holds on literally every bill as well and was forcing every other Senator to clear their bills with him.
So much for the GOP leadership. A 1st term senator from SC decided he was the majority leader in a minority party.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:09:26am |
re: #193 ron paul
If you keep going, are you eventually going to talk about ACORN?
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theheat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:10:05am |
re: #197 Obdicut
If he keeps chasing his tail he might turn to butter.
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celticdragon Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:10:10am |
re: #182 RogueOne
There was no filibuster. There was no attempt at a vote. There was nothing other than a vague “We don’t like it” from the minority. Now they’ve decided, after the elections, that maybe extending the tax cuts is the smart thing to do. They should have thought of that a month ago and saved themselves some seats.
Bacause when the minority party says they will force a cloture vote, there isn’t much point in spending the floor time if you don’t have the votes you need unless you are scoring political points.
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engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:10:11am |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:10:22am |
re: #194 Rightwingconspirator
Focus on Newton rather than Darwin for a start. To put it briefly… Keep up the good fight at the school boards and test standards (is evolution in the SAT’s?) and push undeniable physics to set the stage for Darwin as welcome data. Just for an idea.
Just don’t mention Einstein’s Theory of Moral Relativity.
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:10:27am |
re: #183 Bob Levin
there were price increases other than gas that summer
and some familys have a minimum wage earner
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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:11:15am |
re: #194 Rightwingconspirator
Focus on Newton rather than Darwin for a start. To put it briefly… Keep up the good fight at the school boards and test standards (is evolution in the SAT’s?) and push undeniable physics to set the stage for Darwin as welcome data. Just for an idea.
That sounds like having to sneak truth in through the back door. Ugh.
And don’t count on that “undeniable” part of physics, either.
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MinisterO Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:11:19am |
re: #135 lawhawk
1) Create a new tax bracket at either 40 or 45% while keeping the other rates where they are.
2) Anyone making more than $1.5 million or $5 million (and thereafter indexed for inflation just as with other tax brackets) would be subject to the new rate - but not entitled to credits, deductions, or exceptions.
3) Along with the new bracket, eliminate the AMT so as to simplify the tax structure (and that would eliminate the yearly game of Congress manually adjusting the AMT levels).
Very reasonable proposal. I don’t think it would get any Republican support at all in Congress.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:11:47am |
re: #192 celticdragon
Except in this case there was no vote or attempt at a vote. The republicans didn’t play any parliamentary games to stop anything in this case. In this case the dems couldn’t get their members to vote for any tax increase right before the election and yet people still want to blame the minority when they didn’t play any role whatsoever.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:12:03am |
re: #203 wrenchwench
That sounds like having to sneak truth in through the back door. Ugh.
And don’t count on that “undeniable” part of physics, either.
Gravity is optional.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:12:16am |
I love when republicans complain about minimum wage hikes that still place the recipients below the poverty line. I think it’s cute how much they hate working people.
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:12:31am |
re: #185 engineer dog
I did lower my wages by exactly 20 %
then when things picked up I had to scrimp for gas money so I gave myself a 10% raise
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:12:46am |
re: #135 lawhawk
That suggestion would be derided as class warfare by most of the modern GOP.
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celticdragon Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:13:48am |
re: #205 RogueOne
Except in this case there was no vote or attempt at a vote. The republicans didn’t play any parliamentary games to stop anything in this case. In this case the dems couldn’t get their members to vote for any tax increase right before the election and yet people still want to blame the minority when they didn’t play any role whatsoever.
If they say they are filibustering, then they are, in effect, already blocking consideration.
Keep in mind you can even block votes that would bring something up for a vote…
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:13:52am |
re: #199 celticdragon
Bacause when the minority party says they will force a cloture vote, there isn’t much point in spending the floor time if you don’t have the votes you need unless you are scoring political points.
There were enough votes to extend the tax cuts for everyone but that wasn’t what the dem leadership wanted so they kept it from coming up until after the election. You can spin that anyway you like but it did cost them seats.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:14:06am |
re: #178 Decatur Deb
It means you’re getting though the gatekeepers’ filters.
Targeted cover letters can do that.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:14:14am |
Alright, I have dishes to do and then an enjoyable mountain of work.
Let’s hope the GOP far, far, far exceeds my expectations.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:14:15am |
re: #203 wrenchwench
That sounds like having to sneak truth in through the back door. Ugh.
And don’t count on that “undeniable” part of physics, either.
If the GOP has taught us nothing else, we should always remember that absolutely anything can be denied.
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theheat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:14:56am |
re: #194 Rightwingconspirator
I hear what you’re saying, but the fact teaching science requires doublespeak (aka fundie pig latin) as to not offend the anti-science crowd already diminishes its factual value. Babysitting babies having tantrums sucks.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:14:58am |
re: #212 RogueOne
There were enough votes to extend the tax cuts for everyone but that wasn’t what the dem leadership wanted so they kept it from coming up until after the election. You can spin that anyway you like but it did cost them seats.
Fuck the deficit, right?
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:15:37am |
re: #207 Fozzie Bear
a poor person needs a job
a poor person can make thier own job if the government would get off thier back.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:15:50am |
re: #215 Fozzie Bear
If the GOP has taught us nothing else, we should always remember that absolutely anything can be denied.
I thought the 2nd Gulf War and a lot of history even before that taught us that lesson. If we were willing to notice it, learn it, and use it as applied experience to later issues.
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engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:16:45am |
re: #208 ron paul
I did lower my wages by exactly 20 %
then when things picked up I had to scrimp for gas money so I gave myself a 10% raise
what kind of a business do you run?
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researchok Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:17:14am |
Op-Ed: America needs a civility campaign
The election season has finally ended. Victors have celebrated, the defeated have conceded and we are left to clean up the detritus: direct-mail fliers, defunct posters — and the scorched earth left by one of the least civil election campaigns in memory.
American political culture has always been spirited and combative, yet for some time now the tone of our discourse has often been downright nasty. Smear tactics, name calling and distortion of facts are the order of the day, as the art of listening is not so much lost as trampled underfoot while politicians, pundits and activists rush to make points, heedless to what the country might need.
It seems clear what the country needs: an end to knee-jerk hostility and the start of something new, something civil….
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:17:14am |
re: #218 ron paul
a poor person needs a job
a poor person can make thier own job if the government would get off thier back.
Stop taxing the window washers at the exit from the holland tunnel! Keep your government hands off my loose change!
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:17:18am |
re: #209 Obdicut
It probably would, but by the same token, it would eliminate the AMT, which is a major class warfare issue - and one that comes up every year when Congress has to readjust the income subject to the AMT.
At least my proposal has the benefit of getting rid of the AMT and all of its duplicative/parallel tax structure and complexity and would improve compliance.
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:17:31am |
re: #217 Fozzie Bear
stop spending money on ignorant things
don’t assume it doesn’t matter where the money is spent
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celticdragon Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:17:45am |
re: #212 RogueOne
There were enough votes to extend the tax cuts for everyone but that wasn’t what the dem leadership wanted so they kept it from coming up until after the election. You can spin that anyway you like but it did cost them seats.
Yes, I’m sure that millions of voters that decided to have another TTBO party would have spared the dems who had already managed to force through health care for the working poor and financial reform in the very teeth of cynical GOP obstruction.
Most American voters do not pay as much attention as you seem to think. Thy simply know congress is not working, and they perversly rewarded the very people who threw a wrench into the system.
Amusing, in a dark way.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:17:48am |
re: #220 engineer dog
what kind of a business do you run?
Clearly one with more than a 10% margin for error. I.e., not a typical one.
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dmon Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:17:51am |
i say the hell with em, just let all the tax cuts expire, use the additional revenue to cut the deficit then reinstate pay/ go…….. then the Republicans will be forced to put their money where their mouth is, if they wanna cut taxes they have to cut spending….it would at least get some of the bullshit out of politics’
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:18:08am |
re: #217 Fozzie Bear
Fuck the deficit, right?
Nice job moving the goalposts. The question is did not extending the tax cuts cost them seats and I believe that answer is an easy “yes” otherwise they wouldn’t be bringing it up now. They shot themselves in the foot. You can blame “potential republican obstacles” if it makes you feel better but the seats are already gone.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:18:12am |
re: #218 ron paul
a poor person needs a job
a poor person can make thier own job if the government would get off thier back.
If you’re not under 16, that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen on LGF.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:18:54am |
Congrats to the pres for getting up there and giving the press conference. It couldn’t have been easy after the beating they took last night.
I have work to do, see you people later.
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:19:16am |
re: #230 Decatur Deb
seriously the easiest way to financial security is start your own business
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:19:42am |
re: #229 RogueOne
Nice job moving the goalposts. The question is did not extending the tax cuts cost them seats and I believe that answer is an easy “yes” otherwise they wouldn’t be bringing it up now. They shot themselves in the foot. You can blame “potential republican obstacles” if it makes you feel better but the seats are already gone.
I blame actual republican obstacles. Have a nice day in opposite land. Is the economy doing well there?
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celticdragon Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:19:49am |
re: #221 researchok
Not gonna happen.
Just wait and see how nasty the next two years get. We already have people calling for armed insurrection.
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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:20:02am |
re: #232 ron paul
seriously the easiest way to financial security is start your own business
Then why do nine out of ten fail in the first year?
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:20:14am |
re: #224 ron paul
stop spending money on ignorant things
don’t assume it doesn’t matter where the money is spent
What would you consider an ignorant thing to spend money on?
Are we talking at an individual level or public level or maybe both for instance.
Do you have some examples of what you mean by it mattering where money is spent?
It helps if you move beyond superficial statements to more specific examples in order for other to understand what exactly you are trying to get at.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:20:21am |
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:20:28am |
re: #232 ron paul
seriously the easiest way to financial security is start your own business
Yep, super easy. I just started my 4th business of the day.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:20:43am |
re: #218 ron paul
a poor person needs a job
a poor person can make thier own job if the government would get off thier back.
Abolish OSHA!
Bring Triangle Shirtwaist and H&M back to the USA!
/need I?
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:21:25am |
re: #235 engineer dog
the technical stuff that hardly anyone can do.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:21:35am |
re: #240 Alouette
Abolish OSHA!
Bring Triangle Shirtwaist and H&M back to the USA!/need I?
What the country needs now is more match factories with nonfunctional exits. Who is with me!?!?!?!
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:21:55am |
re: #232 ron paul
seriously the easiest way to financial security is start your own business
That’s what crack dealers think, and it doesn’t even work for them.
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boxhead Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:22:13am |
Boehner vows to dismantle healthcare ‘monstrosity’. Exactly which part of the Health Insurance reform is hated by the GOP? The mandate is all I can think of.
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researchok Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:22:21am |
re: #234 celticdragon
Not gonna happen.
Just wait and see how nasty the next two years get. We already have people calling for armed insurrection.
So much for taking the high road.
Still, it needed to be said.
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:22:51am |
re: #243 Decatur Deb
crack makes a great startup, costs are low and profits are high
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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:22:56am |
re: #244 ron paul
beats playing the lottery!
Much smaller investment required to get into the lottery.
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MinisterO Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:23:17am |
The GOP favors tax policies that result in the wealth of the nation becoming concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer. Economic mobility is gradually being lost. If you’ve ever played the board game Monopoly with children you know that somebody always ends up flinging the board.
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engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:24:05am |
re: #241 ron paul
the technical stuff that hardly anyone can do.
we’ll, i’ve been a professional software engineer for over 25 years, so try me
with all this vagueness, i’m beginning to doubt the reality of your “business”
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:24:29am |
Impeachment proceedings will be well underway within 9 months. They will fail, and the following that, there will be a significant right wing extremist violence. In 2012, Obama will decimate his opponent. The GOP will hold the house, but barely, and the senate will not change hands before 2014, if then. This is my prediction.
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:24:30am |
re: #248 wrenchwench
true, but there are many business opportunities that do not take much cash.
the greater the need, the greater the opportunity for profit.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:24:47am |
re: #240 Alouette
Abolish OSHA!
Bring Triangle Shirtwaist and H&M back to the USA!/need I?
Coincidentally why we need better history instruction in the schools.
Maybe we could stop hiring football coaches and having them teach history?
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theheat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:24:58am |
re: #249 MinisterO
The GOP favors tax policies that result in the wealth of the nation becoming concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer.
And that re-investment, trickle down theory always rides off into the sunset on the backs of unicorns.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:25:12am |
re: #247 ron paul
crack makes a great startup, costs are low and profits are high
Per Freakonomics, they make minimum wage and have a crappy retirement plan.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:25:42am |
re: #250 engineer dog
we’ll, i’ve been a professional software engineer for over 25 years, so try me
with all this vagueness, i’m beginning to doubt the reality of your “business”
Don’t knock it. After all, hardly anybody can do it. Yet, everyone can start their own business.
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theheat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:26:13am |
re: #252 ron paul
Tiny classified ads and spammy web sites. Now we know where you live.
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:26:50am |
re: #250 engineer dog
we’ll, i’ve been a professional software engineer for over 25 years, so try me
with all this vagueness, i’m beginning to doubt the reality of your “business”
He’s talking like one of those start a business and get rich self help books.
Lots of nice sounding phrases and platitudes and not a whole lot of specifics beyond just thinking your way to success.
Maybe that’s how he makes his money. :)
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:26:56am |
re: #255 Decatur Deb
Per Freakonomics, they make minimum wage and have a crappy retirement plan.
Seriously, if you think a customer service job is hard in the legal economy, try keeping things running when literally all of your customers are crackheads.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:27:00am |
re: #253 EmmmieG
Coincidentally why we need better history instruction in the schools.
Maybe we could stop hiring football coaches and having them teach history?
The highest paid educator (and highest paid government employee) in Alabama is Nick Saban. Before endorsements.
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engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:27:12am |
re: #241 ron paul
the technical stuff that hardly anyone can do.
c’mon, buster, pony up and tell us so that we can tell if you’re not actually lying
i believe there are a number of engineers besides me who comment at this site
| 262 |
ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:27:24am |
re: #250 engineer dog
I provide solutions to problems dealing with power distribution and machine control.
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:28:08am |
re: #255 Decatur Deb
well of course, You have to be the boss.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:28:13am |
re: #262 ron paul
I provide solutions to problems dealing with power distribution and machine control.
So you are a brochure? He’s a solutions man! Fire the night staff, we have a pro now!
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boxhead Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:28:24am |
re: #260 Decatur Deb
The highest paid educator (and highest paid government employee) in Alabama is Nick Saban. Before endorsements.
Yes, but how much money does his skills bring to the University? Much more than he gets paid.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:28:27am |
re: #262 ron paul
I provide solutions to problems dealing with power distribution and machine control.
Oh, so you’re a politician.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:28:34am |
re: #260 Decatur Deb
The highest paid educator (and highest paid government employee) in Alabama is Nick Saban. Before endorsements.
They don’t actually make him teach, do they? At least at the college level, that silliness is done away with.
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:28:57am |
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:29:08am |
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engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:29:22am |
re: #262 ron paul
I provide solutions to problems dealing with power distribution and machine control.
software systems? hardware? job title of a person who works in your field? training?
why are you doing so poorly that you have to worry about gas pump prices?
| 271 |
boxhead Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:29:33am |
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:30:29am |
re: #270 engineer dog
software systems? hardware? job title of a person who works in your field? training?
why are you doing so poorly that you have to worry about gas pump prices?
He drives a fleet of cement trucks.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:31:22am |
re: #265 boxhead
Yes, but how much money does his skills bring to the University? Much more than he gets paid.
Then he should go back to the pros. War Eagle. The State of Alabama is 48-50th in everything that counts except yardage.
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:31:36am |
re: #261 engineer dog
how do I know You are an engineer, other than your arrogance?
IndiumTinOxide is a transparent semiconductor
poisson’s ratio relates stress to strain
I bet You are the smartest person You know.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:33:23am |
re: #274 ron paul
how do I know You are an engineer, other than your arrogance?
IndiumTinOxide is a transparent semiconductor
poisson’s ratio relates stress to strain
I bet You are the smartest person You know.
Blowby on the auxiliary jasper flange is the leading cause of venturi failure in type IV thurgledorp reactors.
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3eff Jeff Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:34:10am |
re: #277 Fozzie Bear
Blowby on the auxiliary jasper flange is the leading cause of venturi failure in type IV thurgledorp reactors.
That’s what you get for missing the blinker fluid replacement interval on your turbo encabulators.
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ron paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:34:47am |
re: #277 Fozzie Bear
at what point in a convergent divergent nozzle does the working fluid become supersonic, then what happens?
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:36:11am |
Ok it’s been fun, but I must depart for my weekly meeting with a psychoanalyst to further discuss my festering hostility toward midgets.
Sadly, part of that sentence is true.
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engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:36:56am |
re: #274 ron paul
how do I know You are an engineer, other than your arrogance?
IndiumTinOxide is a transparent semiconductor
poisson’s ratio relates stress to strain
I bet You are the smartest person You know.
i have been a professional software engineer since 1985. (a software engineer designs, creates, fixes (“maintains”) and improves (“enhances”) computer programs.) i work in c, c++, and java, mostly on windows desktop applications for resale. over the years i have created and published some text processing algorithms that are described in a number of textbooks, and are widely used in commercial software (search interfaces, geneology sites, data mining, etc)
and it has been a very long time since i have had to worry about gas prices
| 283 |
boxhead Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:36:58am |
re: #281 Fozzie Bear
Ok it’s been fun, but I must depart for my weekly meeting with a psychoanalyst to further discuss my festering hostility toward midgets.
Sadly, part of that sentence is true.
midgets?
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:37:14am |
re: #276 ron paul
what about Your bonifides?
Okay you’ve convinced me. I need to start another business.
What do I need to do to start one similar to yours.
The steps.
And how do I ensure that it’s successful enough that I won’t have to come onto LGF and state that it’s so great but that I have to worry about gas prices or heck the state of the economy in general. I don’t want to get into something where that sort of thing is a worry.
| 285 |
Fozzie Bear Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:38:57am |
re: #283 boxhead
midgets?
What self respecting american male doesn’t at least feel some small fondness for midgets?
No, the true part was that I am now seeing a shrink. Oddly, my job can’t pay me, but my health insurance still covers a shrink, which is in turn covered my my job. Life is weird that way.
The shrink is mostly because of the bone crushing stress of my newfound poverty. Woooooo.
I feel better already.
| 286 |
engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:39:25am |
re: #276 ron paul
what about Your bonifides?
now that i have provided them, how about you describing your professional competence in a concrete manner?
| 287 |
Ron Paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:41:25am |
re: #282 engineer dog
I have recently started my business, It is successful.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:42:10am |
re: #279 ron paul
at what point in a convergent divergent nozzle does the working fluid become supersonic, then what happens?
Teh flux capacitor implodes and you are stranded in 1955!
| 290 |
Ron Paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:42:17am |
re: #286 engineer dog
no, I prefer not to give any material for personal attacks
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:42:55am |
re: #287 Ron Paul
I have recently started my business, It is successful.
How marvelous. Are you in a partnership with Nigerian royalty?
| 293 |
Jadespring Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:43:05am |
re: #287 Ron Paul
I have recently started my business, It is successful.
That’s great.
How did you do it?
| 294 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:43:31am |
re: #287 Ron Paul
I have recently started my business, It is successful.
Congratulations. Did you start from a ghetto school, or with a mom in jail for meth?
| 295 |
Ron Paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:45:23am |
re: #294 Decatur Deb
Mom left when I was three. (Bracing for personal attacks)
| 297 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:46:11am |
re: #293 Jadespring
That’s great.
How did you do it?
He answered one of those Interweb ads for “Acai berries” or “Louisville mom makes $77/hr just working from home!” and the rest is history
| 298 |
dmon Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:46:32am |
What these short sighted people like poster Ron Paul don’t seem to understand is that if everyone in this country simply went out and started their own one man business the economy flat out wouldn’t work. I guess in his alternate reality, the next time he needs a car he can just walk down the street to Bill’s car company, and buy the one Bill built out of sticks in his garage,
The economy needs labor, that labor takes natural resources and converts them into commodities like fuel, steel, electronic components, etc.
Those commodities are then used to build products for sale…. if everyone had their own one man business…..his business wouldn’t exist since there would no such thing as machinery……. of course there are some third world countries where the economy works exactly the way he thinks it should
| 299 |
Ron Paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:47:33am |
re: #297 Alouette
create a solution to a need a customer has
| 300 |
engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:47:43am |
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Ron Paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:49:15am |
re: #298 dmon
a lot of people need jobs, but You are right, the government should encourage big corporations as well as small business!
| 302 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:50:22am |
re: #299 Ron Paul
create a solution to a need a customer has
Name a specific solution you created.
Name the need that was met.
Name the customer.
Otherwise you’re just using vague HR lingo that means nothing.
| 303 |
Ron Paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:50:52am |
re: #300 engineer dog
I am not as vain for recognition nor am I as gullable as You.
Seriously, though I respect Your Professional Accomplishments.
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:51:45am |
re: #295 Ron Paul
Mom left when I was three. (Bracing for personal attacks)
That sucks.
So what did you do to start it? How did you find/discover your market? What sort of knowledge would one have to have in their pocket to do something similar. Schooling, technical work, previous on the job experience, taking skills from somewhere else like say the military and just transfering, reading some books? How would one go about learning what’s needed to meet whatever the market need is.
Then after the market is found how did you go about setting up to take advantage of that market. Get a business license? Incorporate? Sole-proprietorship?
| 305 |
engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:52:43am |
Power Distributors and Dispatchers
Coordinate, regulate, or distribute electricity or steam.
Sample of reported job titles: System Operator, Dispatcher, Transmission System Operator, Electric System Operator, Control Operator, Distribution Operations Supervisor, Distribution System Operator, Power System Dispatcher, Control Area Operator, Power System Operator
Tasks
* Respond to emergencies, such as transformer or transmission line failures, and route current around affected areas.
* Prepare switching orders that will isolate work areas without causing power outages, referring to drawings of power systems.
* Control, monitor, or operate equipment that regulates or distributes electricity or steam, using data obtained from instruments or computers.
* Coordinate with engineers, planners, field personnel, or other utility workers to provide information such as clearances, switching orders, or distribution process changes.
* Direct personnel engaged in controlling or operating distribution equipment or machinery, such as instructing control room operators to start boilers or generators.
* Distribute or regulate the flow of power between entities, such as generating stations, substations, distribution lines, or users, keeping track of the status of circuits or connections.
* Monitor and record switchboard or control board readings to ensure that electrical or steam distribution equipment is operating properly.
* Track conditions that could affect power needs, such as changes in the weather, and adjust equipment to meet any anticipated changes.
* Manipulate controls to adjust or activate power distribution equipment or machines.
* Calculate load estimates or equipment requirements to determine required control settings.
Knowledge
Public Safety and Security — Knowledge of relevant equipment, policies, procedures, and strategies to promote effective local, state, or national security operations for the protection of people, data, property, and institutions.
Customer and Personal Service — Knowledge of principles and processes for providing customer and personal services. This includes customer needs assessment, meeting quality standards for services, and evaluation of customer satisfaction.
Computers and Electronics — Knowledge of circuit boards, processors, chips, electronic equipment, and computer hardware and software, including applications and programming.
Mathematics — Knowledge of arithmetic, algebra, geometry, calculus, statistics, and their applications.
Mechanical — Knowledge of machines and tools, including their designs, uses, repair, and maintenance.
Administration and Management — Knowledge of business and management principles involved in strategic planning, resource allocation, human resources modeling, leadership technique, production methods, and coordination of people and resources.
English Language — Knowledge of the structure and content of the English language including the meaning and spelling of words, rules of composition, and grammar.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:53:25am |
re: #304 Jadespring
That sucks.
So what did you do to start it? How did you find/discover your market? What sort of knowledge would one have to have in their pocket to do something similar. Schooling, technical work, previous on the job experience, taking skills from somewhere else like say the military and just transfering, reading some books? How would one go about learning what’s needed to meet whatever the market need is.
Then after the market is found how did you go about setting up to take advantage of that market. Get a business license? Incorporate? Sole-proprietorship?
1. DEFINE A NEED: People want to lose weight
2. CREATE A SOLUTION: One weird old tip.
3. PROFIT!
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Ron Paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:53:35am |
re: #302 Alouette
I really should not discuss it, why dont You brag about what You do.
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dmon Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:54:28am |
re: #301 Ron Paul
a lot of people need jobs, but You are right, the government should encourage big corporations as well as small business!
Well Ron….since you opposed raising the minimum wage….what you want then is to use the labor to create the commodities, that create the machines, that you make a comfortable living working with…… “but yoiu just don’t think should be paid very much…guess what Ron….those poor people already have jobs, they work for minimum wage, and the government ahd gaull to give them a raise…. at least you do have something in common with them though…..they are really worried about gas prices too….at least the ones who were able to purchase a car, the rest of em have to use the public transit that conservatives hate so much
| 309 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:54:47am |
re: #307 Ron Paul
I really should not discuss it, why dont You brag about what You do.
I don’t crave attention.
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engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:54:53am |
re: #303 Ron Paul
I am not as vain for recognition nor am I as gullable as You.
i’m not just vain. i’m vain, pretentious, and very annoying as well
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:56:05am |
re: #306 Alouette
1. DEFINE A NEED: People want to lose weight
2. CREATE A SOLUTION: One weird old tip.
3. PROFIT!
Hey it seems that those sorts of scams work, at least for a time.
Unfortunately my personal morals don’t allow me to foist those type of things on the gullible without feeling ill regardless of how much money I’d make. Sucks to be me I guess.
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insert name here Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:56:08am |
re: #299 Ron Paul
create a solution to a need a customer has
Speaking as an engineer who has lived in Silicon Valley since ‘78 and who has seen quite a few companies in this valley fail, I can tell you that this is much more difficult than these nine words imply. If you’ve found a niche and you’re making a good living at it (and not just one of the walking dead), congrats! You’re one of the few.
From my own experience, financial success usual depends on the appropriate knowledge, good work ethic, the right team, and a large portion of LUCK.
Been there…
| 313 |
Ron Paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:57:11am |
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kirkspencer Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:57:30am |
re: #289 Alouette
re: #279 ron paul
at what point in a convergent divergent nozzle does the working fluid become supersonic, then what happens?
Teh flux capacitor implodes and you are stranded in 1955!
heh. No, provided the working fluid has sufficient mass flow and pressure it becomes supersonic just past the choke and flow velocity continues to increase through the rest of the de Laval nozzle.
Note, however, that I am not an engineer, nor am I a rocket or steam scientist (the two fields in which de Lavals are most commonly seen). I am an information specialist, skilled at finding the answers to obscure questions. Citing trivia online does not prove skill.
Ron Paul, your claim of not wanting to give your business to prevent attack is specious. Note how I just listed my field without giving sufficient specifics for you to identify me (though I make no secret who I am, and can be found on my webpage via my name-link.) Your dancing actually makes me less willing to give you slack, reminding me of nothing less than the people who claim military service and awards but “you can’t see the actual records because they’re classified.” You can’t or won’t even say you’re an engineer of some sort.
I’m not asking the state. I’m not asking your qualifications. I’m just going to ask what NAICS, SIC, or IRS Business Activity Code your business uses.
| 317 |
dmon Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:58:37am |
Hell I’m not scared Ron….. Professional firefighter Dayton ohio
| 318 |
Jadespring Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:58:47am |
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Ron Paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:01:11pm |
re: #312 insert name here
the right market helps, my competition is too high, I am lean and I do better work.
| 321 |
Ron Paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:02:47pm |
re: #318 Jadespring
no, they are not good people but seriously, what does it say about our society when the only thing marketed is weightloss, extenze or viagra?
| 322 |
Jadespring Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:08:12pm |
re: #321 Ron Paul
no, they are not good people but seriously, what does it say about our society when the only thing marketed is weightloss, extenze or viagra?
I dunno what do you think it says?
| 323 |
insert name here Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:08:40pm |
re: #320 Ron Paul
the right market helps, my competition is too high, I am lean and I do better work.
Those are two excellent ingredients. Congratulations.
But you should realize that, in terms of marketable talents, you’re at the extreme right-hand side of the Bell curve. There are many many others who lack similar talent. To simply state that they should “create their own job” is, at best, naive.
| 324 |
Ron Paul Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:10:41pm |
re: #314 kirkspencer
look I haven’t clamed any awards, military service or education.
I did serve in the military, I don’t think that makes me special.
I have a Bachelor of Science in Engineering from an ABET accredited school (i think its ABET) I dont think that matters, either.
I have My own business and I think its funny that I had to put so much capital out that I had to scrimp on gas money, because it payed off.
I dont think that makes me special either.
LGF is pretty rotten with name calling and personal attacks.
| 326 |
joest73 Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:17:07pm |
re: #324 Ron Paul
LGF is pretty rotten with name calling and personal attacks.
Well..when your username is the space cadet of our party….you are asking for ridicule.
| 327 |
engineer cat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:26:30pm |
re: #324 Ron Paul
look I haven’t clamed any awards, military service or education.
I did serve in the military, I don’t think that makes me special.
I have a Bachelor of Science in Engineering from an ABET accredited school (i think its ABET) I dont think that matters, either.
I have My own business and I think its funny that I had to put so much capital out that I had to scrimp on gas money, because it payed off.
I dont think that makes me special either.
LGF is pretty rotten with name calling and personal attacks.
if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. politics is not a tea party
i think it’s great that you run your own business, although you haven’t managed to actually describe it as of yet, but you came in here with a lot of misinformation, and then you came out in favor of lowering the minimum wage
i can’t say that this shows a lot of compassion for people who are hard up against it in this country
maybe you ought to rethink your attitude about things like this if you want to do better in your business
and quit yer whining
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webevintage Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:03:28pm |
re: #73 funky chicken
Bummer. Serious bummer.
I do blame Pelosi for a lot of the House losses. She was a really poor choice for Speaker of the House for lots of reasons—she’s kinda dumb, really bad on camera, and behaved badly (the whole abuse of military air travel, among other personal stupidity), and her refusal to be transparent after promising she would, etc.
WTH is with the Pelosi hate?
She was a great speaker and worked her ass off…it is not her fault that the House sent bill after bill to the Senate only to see it die or get compromised so they could get 1 damn Republican to vote yea.
And the military air travel thing was bullshit….pure bullshit from the rightwing lie factory.
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joest73 Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:15:52pm |
re: #328 webevintage
WTH is with the Pelosi hate?
She was a great speaker and worked her ass off…it is not her fault that the House sent bill after bill to the Senate only to see it die or get compromised so they could get 1 damn Republican to vote yea.
And the military air travel thing was bullshit…pure bullshit from the rightwing lie factory.
I disagree with you on the air travel thing. Michael Steele should also get criticized for the lavish trips that he has taken as RNC leader.
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theheat Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:16:30pm |
re: #328 webevintage
And the military air travel thing was bullshit…pure bullshit from the rightwing lie factory.
But it was forwarded to me by dozens of people, so it must be true.
//
Snopes and Google tend to cut the fairy tales off at the knees, despite how many times the freepers FW FW them. Far be it to ever retract anything that was debunked. All they know is hit “forward” and “send.” Incite outrage. Lather, rinse, repeat.
| 331 |
Michael McBacon Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:39:23pm |
I tell ya, it’s getting easier to spot a troll just by their user name.
| 332 |
Bob Levin Wed, Nov 3, 2010 2:39:28pm |
re: #184 lawhawk
Rounding up (it’s only money). 2.1 trillion divided by 300,000,000 is 7,000 bucks for every man, woman, and child in the US. For a family of four, that’s about 30,000. I could help stimulate the economy with another 30,000 bucks. Both President Bush and President Obama pumped in about a trillion.
| 333 |
Bob Levin Wed, Nov 3, 2010 3:02:48pm |
re: #193 ron paul
Not exactly. Yes, there was government policy to increase home ownership. But, that is not the same as requiring banks to go out of business.
What the banks did was create a sub-prime lending formula. What they should have done is revitalize the old notion of ‘starter house’. That’s the type of house that my folks first bought. Years ago, way before any of this started, my dad said there are problems in an economy where a car costs as much as a house used to cost.
Anyway, this could have created an entire new branch of the construction industry, using new materials, possibly more ecological…could have saved the housing industry.
Well, a sub-prime lending industry is obviously loaded with land mines, since you are loaning large amounts of money to people who can’t pay it back. And again, if fuel costs are so high that people have to choose between fuel to get to work and paying their mortgage—
So what happens to a new mortgage? All new mortgages. These are bundled and sold as securities. Nothing wrong there. Our mortgage has been sold several times. The problem comes when it becomes impossible to put a value on the bundle because the real estate can’t be assessed.
But this didn’t cause the housing bubble. The bubble comes when the price of the house is inflated beyond what it can be sold for. Hence the bubble metaphor.
And the high cost of fuel caused prices to rise across the board.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 3, 2010 3:12:30pm |
re: #328 webevintage
WTH is with the Pelosi hate?
She was a great speaker and worked her ass off…it is not her fault that the House sent bill after bill to the Senate only to see it die or get compromised so they could get 1 damn Republican to vote yea.
And the military air travel thing was bullshit…pure bullshit from the rightwing lie factory.
The pelosi hate comes from basically: she’s female, she’s older, she’s from san francisco, she’s got a ton of power.
That’s really it right there, she’s easy to slam with sexist comments, she’s easy to slam as an eevul liburl from a town that apparently hates America. And that’s shit I’ve heard right here on LGF from long time posters! So dumb it takes the breath away.
So she’s easy to make into a monster, because that’s what these people are good at, they’re good at demonizing women and queers and blacks
| 335 |
Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, Nov 3, 2010 3:16:13pm |
re: #334 WindUpBird
It’s also that, since she’s actually a corporatist Democrat (though she occasionally cloaks herself in progressive noteworthy), she doesn’t get full-throated defense by a lot of people. I don’t like her, I think she is a sellout in many ways. But in her role as Speaker, I’ve liked her far more than in her role as Representative.
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
