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Latino Voters Overwhelmingly Rejected Sharron Angle

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Sharron Angle’s overtly racist ads featuring images of menacing Latinos seriously backfired on her; she garnered just 8% of the Latino vote, compared to Harry Reid’s 90%.

In this election, the Tea Party GOP made a calculation to pander to the racist and xenophobic elements of their base, and this is a glimpse of the backlash to come. The days when they can count on a racist base to put them over the top are numbered, as Latinos and other minorities make up increasingly large segments of the American population.

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1 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:26:40am

I'm very happy to see most of the crazy candidates rejected, including this bigot.

2 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:27:56am

Now that is how it's supposed to work.
Big Props to Latino Voters!!

3 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:27:58am

I suspect racism was only a part of the reason voters rejected Angle. The woman is just plain nuts. Same applies to O'Donnell.

Had the GOP put up a decent write in candidates named Budzinkaykovskiovich, they would have stood a better chance.

4 euphgeek  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:28:15am

Now we'll never know what her policy on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were!

5 theheat  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:28:53am

Actually, she was rejected by Asians that only looked Latino.

6 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:29:12am

yuck it up with the racism and homophobia republicans, demographics aren't on your side

7 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:30:43am

re: #3 researchok

I suspect racism was only a part of the reason voters rejected Angle. The woman is just plain nuts. Same applies to O'Donnell.

Had the GOP put up a decent write in candidates named Budzinkaykovskiovich, they would have stood a better chance.

I like Christine. She's the most lovable authoritarian wacko I've ever encountered, and say the funniest things.

8 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:30:48am

Congrats Sharron, you "earned" it.

9 Kronocide  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:33:38am

I guess those Latinasians voted No on Tea.

10 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:33:59am

re: #7 JeffFX

I like Christine. She's the most lovable authoritarian wacko I've ever encountered, and say the funniest things.

She is stark, raving mad.

Really.

11 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:35:03am

re: #6 SpaceJesus

yuck it up with the racism and homophobia republicans, demographics aren't on your side

They might be on the homophobia for a while yet. How are young religious minorities on gay rights? I've seen too many people who are discriminated against in this country choose to discriminate against gay people to be remotely comfortable with many of my fellow-American's views on civil rights.

12 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:35:22am

Were the 8% drunk?

13 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:35:46am

re: #10 researchok

She is stark, raving mad.

Really.

I agree completely, and didn't really want her to win.

14 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:35:52am

re: #6 SpaceJesus

yuck it up with the racism and homophobia republicans, demographics aren't on your side

Surfing various sites last night to see who was most pleased and displeased by last nights results was rather revealing, and quite disheartening.

The happiest people of all last night were folks on the supremacist/hate sites - even more so than "mainstream" rightwing sites.

Stormfronters were absolutely ecstatic. Chew on that fact for a few moments.

15 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:37:10am

re: #12 EmmmieG

Were the 8% drunk?

There's about a 20% crazy factor in any population. That she's so low as 8% says a lot!

16 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:37:37am

re: #14 RadicalModerate


Yeah I noticed that too. When people who are literally Nazis are the ones most happy with something, you'd be right to assume something ain't right here.

17 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:38:33am

re: #13 JeffFX

I agree completely, and didn't really want her to win.

Yes.

Angle is another story altogether- she is nuts but she is shrewd and manipulative nuts.

O'Donnell in Washington would have been a marginal figure. Angle in DC would have been dangerous.

18 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:38:36am

From the linked site, but a different page:

Latino vote for Governor
Dianne Denish: 61%
Susana Martinez: 38%

Latino share of voters: 37%
Latino contribution to Denish: +8.5

Martinez won 54% to 46%, so it wasn't the Latino vote that won it for her.

19 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:39:44am

re: #18 wrenchwench

From the linked site, but a different page:

Martinez won 54% to 46%, so it wasn't the Latino vote that won it for her.

Good catch.

20 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:40:27am

re: #6 SpaceJesus

yuck it up with the racism and homophobia republicans, demographics aren't on your side


Quite so.
Urban=liberal, Rural=Conservative

And it's not rural areas that are growing now is it?

21 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:40:35am

re: #17 researchok

Yes.

Angle is another story altogether- she is nuts but she is shrewd and manipulative nuts.

O'Donnell in Washington would have been a marginal figure. Angle in DC would have been dangerous.

It feels weird to be this happy about Harry Reid winning.

22 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:40:51am

re: #18 wrenchwench

From the linked site, but a different page:

Martinez won 54% to 46%, so it wasn't the Latino vote that won it for her.

Seems to me that the Republican party as a whle is in deep trouble with Latino voters. They can complain all they want but their actions are why many Latinos don't trust them.

23 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:41:08am

re: #18 wrenchwench


Pretty much everybody in Southern NM voted for Susana so I've been hearing

24 Kragar  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:41:36am

But Rush said Angle only lost because GOP insiders didn't back her campaign and the liberal media was out to get her.

25 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:41:42am

Some exit polling data....

Exit poll: Economy dominates voters' worries

Only about a quarter of voters blamed Obama for the nation's economic troubles. Voters overall were more likely to point the finger at Wall Street bankers.

Nothing on the racial makeup but Angle and the rest of the Republicans are almost certainly slipping with non-white christian voters.

26 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:43:06am

Kinda proud of CT right now not gonna lie

27 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:44:10am

re: #26 SpaceJesus

Kinda proud of CT right now not gonna lie

Yeah we won;t have Linda McMahon bodyslamming Al Franken on the SEnate floor. Seriously, I must be one of the few males my generation who never liked WWE at all.

28 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:44:51am

re: #23 SpaceJesus

Pretty much everybody in Southern NM voted for Susana so I've been hearing

The fact that Pearce won by the same margin is evidence of that. And it was time to have someone from the southern part of the state as governor, I think. But I guess the "Susana La Tejana" thing did not have the impact I expected.

30 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:45:16am

re: #11 JeffFX


I don't think so, people under 35 don't care about gay marriage being legal or support it. Very few are opposed, even young-ish Republicans.

I give the opposition to gay rights in America about 15-20 more years.

31 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:47:38am

re: #28 wrenchwench

Yeah, the only other race I cared about out of there was for my friend Bill McCamley, but it appears he just barely lost. Damn shame.

32 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:48:18am

re: #21 JeffFX

It feels weird to be this happy about Harry Reid winning.

I said as much early this AM.

I'm not sure if I want to grimace or groan at the overall election results- and I'm right of center.

33 Kronocide  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:48:27am

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But Rush said Angle only lost because GOP insiders didn't back her campaign and the liberal media was out to get her.

And the conservative radio pundits continue to dig a deeper hole. Dennis Miller had Breitbart on this AM for a back patting session, not one even close to critical comment. Either he's a moron or there's some payola going on in the background.

34 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:49:02am

re: #25 Killgore Trout

Some exit polling data...

Exit poll: Economy dominates voters' worries

Nothing on the racial makeup but Angle and the rest of the Republicans are almost certainly slipping with non-white christian voters.

They really have become a schizophrenic lot.

35 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:49:28am

Really wondering what's going to happen here in VA-11. Hope Connolly wins. He's been great for me and other college students. I don't get the people who voted for Finian. Okay, you're angry at the government, fine I understand btu voting for a guy who actually thinks his salary should be increased. How do people vote for that under the belief they want to cut the debt? Shrug.

36 3eff Jeff  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:49:32am

re: #30 SpaceJesus

I think you're probably right about the 15-20 years figure. The good news from California is Brown already refused to appeal Judge Walker's decision, and the new AG (Harris) stated she wouldn't appeal, either. So if the 9th denies standing, we'll have a good strong precedent on the books.

37 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:49:52am

re: #30 SpaceJesus

I don't think so, people under 35 don't care about gay marriage being legal or support it. Very few are opposed, even young-ish Republicans.

I give the opposition to gay rights in America about 15-20 more years.

Not even that long. They are in their death throes now.

38 blueraven  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:51:01am

People can say what they want about Harry Reid. But he got the Health Care bill passed when most people and all of the pundits said it was impossible. Especially after the Scott Brown election.

39 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:51:23am

People always yabber about how Hispanics and Blacks vote, but never how Asians vote. Does anybody know how Asians vote?

40 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:51:30am

Six more years of Harry Reid! Thanks, Nevada Republicans!
/
At least the Nevada GOP might take this to heart and avoid bat-guano candidates in the future, as will their Delaware counterparts. The sad part is that tea-partiers in the rest of the country will take Republican gains as evidence that their formula is working. They will pull out all the stops on the crazy train, with disastrous results for the two party systems.

It's worth noting that an amazing number of prominent Nevada Republicans actually endorsed Reid in this election. What would have happened with a Republican candidate these people could have supported?

41 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:51:40am

I think it's true that gay marriage won't be a big issue in the future. I really wish I could talk to some of the really religious and anti gay people I grew up with. I mean people's views do change with our experiences and that's specially true for young people.

42 Kragar  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:52:27am

re: #39 SpaceJesus

People always yabber about how Hispanics and Blacks vote, but never how Asians vote. Does anybody know how Asians vote?

I would assume they fill in the bubble and then put their ballot in the box like anyone else.

43 theheat  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:52:37am

re: #33 BigPapa

Pretty soon they'll be openly, regularly, glorifying klukkers. Right now it's hit or miss with the racists they share onscreen time with, but they're feeling pretty cockstrong at the moment.

44 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:52:47am

re: #37 researchok

I think the baby boomers are more bigoted than meets the eye.

So-called revolutionary generation my ass.

45 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:53:28am

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel

Six more years of Harry Reid! Thanks, Nevada Republicans!
/
At least the Nevada GOP might take this to heart and avoid bat-guano candidates in the future, as will their Delaware counterparts. The sad part is that tea-partiers in the rest of the country will take Republican gains as evidence that their formula is working. They will pull out all the stops on the crazy train, with disastrous results for the two party systems.

It's worth noting that an amazing number of prominent Nevada Republicans actually endorsed Reid in this election. What would have happened with a Republican candidate these people could have supported?

I didn't realize Reid had so many prominent Republicans backing him. And it looks like most of Angle's prominent ones were nutcases. Saw Joe the Plumber there ha.

46 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:53:51am

re: #44 SpaceJesus

I think the baby boomers are more bigoted than meets the eye.

So-called revolutionary generation my ass.

Sorry, have to disagree.

You have to compare the boomers with their parents, not with their children.

47 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:54:06am

Alex Jones now getting conspiracy theories from Jim Hoft.....

Did Harry Reid Steal Nevada?

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones

The technicians that serviced those electronic voting machines were the pro-Reid SEIU (Service Employees International Union), the same corrupt union that was behind thousands of bogus voter registrations across the nation. The SEIU spent $44 million during this election cycle, nearly all of which went to Democrats.

“White House political director Patrick Gaspard is formerly the SEIU’s top lobbyist, and former SEIU president Andy Stern was the most frequent visitor to the White House last year,” adds the Gateway Pundit.


lol

48 3eff Jeff  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:54:58am

re: #37 researchok

Not even that long. They are in their death throes now.

We only just got the Judge Walker ruling in California for marriage equality, and that battle may be over in two months or five years. Either way, the fight in California will likely be over in two years (I would bet there will be a proposition to repeal prop8 on the 2012 docket). After that, it will need to make it through the rest of the country, which could take a while without SCOTUS intervention. Even in that case, it might get used as a New Southern Strategy/Wedge issue for a decade or more after the court case (Roe v. Wade anyone?).

49 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:55:04am

re: #30 SpaceJesus

I don't think so, people under 35 don't care about gay marriage being legal or support it. Very few are opposed, even young-ish Republicans.

I give the opposition to gay rights in America about 15-20 more years.

I really, really, hope you're right. It's sad to me that so many people see giving others basic rights as a negative.

This is something Liberals and (non-social) Conservatives can agree on now. All we need is to get the SoCons on-board, and most of them seem to already feel that interracial marriage is acceptable, so it doesn't seem a big step to accept gay people in the same way. They just need to be able to accept a little change, and there's been plenty of warning that the change is coming. There's just no down-side I see to equal rights.

50 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:55:42am

Oh look, big surprise. My county voted to renew the bond measures for safety services and the library.

(I'm wondering what the 33% who voted no would want to do once their house started burning down, or someone was breaking in at 3 am.)

51 Kragar  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:56:23am

re: #50 EmmmieG

Oh look, big surprise. My county voted to renew the bond measures for safety services and the library.

(I'm wondering what the 33% who voted no would want to do once their house started burning down, or someone was breaking in at 3 am.)

COMMUNISTS!

52 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:56:58am

re: #46 EmmmieG

both are bigoted

53 3eff Jeff  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:57:04am

re: #48 3eff Jeff

The counter argument to me is that we're seeing the last throes of the culture war as a whole, and it's going to blow over by the end of the decade, with gay rights running as its swan song.

I'd be really happy about that.

54 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:57:09am

re: #32 researchok

I said as much early this AM.

I'm not sure if I want to grimace or groan at the overall election results- and I'm right of center.

I'm a little to the left, but no fan of the Democrats or Reid. (or the greens, commies, etc...)

55 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:57:16am

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

COMMUNISTS!

Libraries are the work of those noted communists Andrew Carnegie and Benjamin Franklin.

56 blueraven  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:57:22am

re: #47 Killgore Trout

Alex Jones now getting conspiracy theories from Jim Hoft...

Did Harry Reid Steal Nevada?

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones


lol

The Angle campaign has been setting this up for weeks. I guess their internals were a slap of reality.

57 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:57:56am

re: #52 SpaceJesus

both are bigoted

Well, the boomers I know the best are my parents and their siblings and siblings' spouses.

You would be wrong there.

58 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:58:57am

re: #33 BigPapa

And the conservative radio pundits continue to dig a deeper hole. Dennis Miller had Breitbart on this AM for a back patting session, not one even close to critical comment. Either he's a moron or there's some payola going on in the background.

Dennis went crazy on 9/11 like a lot of us. I just wish he'd get some help and maybe be a little bit funny again someday, rather than cashing in on Republican hate.

59 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:59:14am

re: #44 SpaceJesus

I think the baby boomers are more bigoted than meets the eye.

So-called revolutionary generation my ass.

Actually, I agree. The baby boomers were always far more narcissistic than idealistic. That idealism was just the lipstick.

Even so, gay rights are so fundamentally a human rights issue that is harder and harder to deny them.

60 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:59:18am

And, while we're on it, why isn't CNN covering the Washington County, Oregon race for the at-large position on the soil & water conservation board?

I can't rest until I know who won.

Especially since there was nobody running.

61 theheat  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 11:59:37am

re: #49 JeffFX

Unfortunately, socons have been in bed with the Family Values Values Voters Heritage All-American Heartland for Flags and Truth and Zygotes too long to turn around and say gay marriage is okay. And they've become more involved than less so. The GOP mantra itself precludes gays from marrying. Individual people may be supportive, but the party itself and those it's aligned with, say a resounding NO.

62 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:00:09pm

I dunno. I think gay marriage becomes a non issue as we see more and more voters who have grown up with a more higher tolerance to homosexuality. I don't see minds being able to be changed especially when you see people who actually feel that allowing gays to marry nad have the same marriage rights is somehow a threat to their religious freedom. Now, if you can somehow convince those people it's not the case then maybe but I see gay marriage becoming accepted as more and more people who are tolerant of it come of voting age.

63 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:00:39pm

re: #54 JeffFX

I'm a little to the left, but no fan of the Democrats or Reid. (or the greens, commies, etc...)

I hear you- loud and clear.

Centrists always have more in common than what divides them- and what divides them is usually about the how and not the what.

64 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:00:44pm

Meanwhile, the creepy stalkers who've been trying to vandalize LGF's Wikipedia page are still pissing and moaning about being shut down by WP editors.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

65 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:01:06pm

re: #38 blueraven

People can say what they want about Harry Reid. But he got the Health Care bill passed when most people and all of the pundits said it was impossible. Especially after the Scott Brown election.

A very weak health care bill, but stopping sick children from being denied coverage is an accomplishment they should be very proud of. Can't say they got nothing done in the past 2 years.

66 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:01:49pm

re: #64 Charles

The admins and real editors over there are good people, and the stalkers aren't helping their case by being rabid and incomprehensible.

67 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:02:00pm

re: #39 SpaceJesus

People always yabber about how Hispanics and Blacks vote, but never how Asians vote. Does anybody know how Asians vote?

With ancient wisdom.

/Is it racist if it's positive and just a joke?

68 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:03:16pm

re: #46 EmmmieG

Sorry, have to disagree.

You have to compare the boomers with their parents, not with their children.

Progress comes slowly.

69 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:04:06pm

re: #38 blueraven

People can say what they want about Harry Reid. But he got the Health Care bill passed when most people and all of the pundits said it was impossible. Especially after the Scott Brown election.

That's not an accomplishment. That's just one more thing I want to say about Harry Reid. Science-denialist scaremonger, health care "reformer", careerist tool. Any Brand X anybody would have been preferable.

But the Tea Party managed to nominate somebody who couldn't even manage to be a white-bread vanilla nobody. Behold your politics and its fruit, and ponder, TP.

In this case, defeat has an author.

Any party that wants to lead has an obligation to try and win enough seats that the rules allow it to formulate an agenda and try and lead. Sabotaging the prospects of that with a view to enforcing Party Line behavior on all members of the Party can only result in defeat and with it, the inability to lead. If you believe the nation has problems and must take a different direction, nominating a man/woman who shares your views so exactly as to be unelectable is the kind of pride that goeth before the kind of pratfall we've just seen.

70 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:04:13pm

re: #64 Charles

Meanwhile, the creepy stalkers who've been trying to vandalize LGF's Wikipedia page are still pissing and moaning about being shut down by WP editors.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

They cannot abide your being a true independent.

They can't pigeonhole you- and that means they have to debate your ideas. That is something they cannot do. There are no easy 'talking points' they can use.

71 Kronocide  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:04:33pm

I actually voted for R's in Hawaii but hoped the TeaParty was thoroughly refudiated, even to the point of the GOP failing to take a majority. They need to pay for their problems.

The R's in Hawaii did not seem to be nutters, but I worried about it enough to check. I spent several moments in the polling booth strongly considering going solid blue just as a protest but I'm not registered in a party.

In the end, HI is a very blue state and it showed, R's defeated soundly.

72 3eff Jeff  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:06:17pm

re: #61 theheat

Unfortunately, socons have been in bed with the Family Values Values Voters Heritage All-American Heartland for Flags and Truth and Zygotes too long to turn around and say gay marriage is okay. And they've become more involved than less so. The GOP mantra itself precludes gays from marrying. Individual people may be supportive, but the party itself and those it's aligned with, say a resounding NO.

Absolutely. So the question is, is the Tea Party a Last Stand of the Values Voter Brigrade, or a redoubling in strength? If the former, this might burn out during the Obama Administration. If the latter, it could be a couple decades before they decide they need to recruit gay and gay friendly voting blocks. Of course, they're still eschewing the Latino vote, so a couple decades could actually be 'infinite decades'. (In the meantime, I'm with Space Jesus on it blowing over in the next 15-20 as a real legal issue anywhere in the country.)

73 Kronocide  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:06:19pm

re: #58 JeffFX

Dennis went crazy on 9/11 like a lot of us. I just wish he'd get some help and maybe be a little bit funny again someday, rather than cashing in on Republican hate.

I love his style, he's still funny. But alas, today was not funny. He already goes mind numb when he talks AGW, but today may be enough to forever taint me.

74 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:06:36pm

If I see John Boehner weeping one more time I'm going to projectile-vomit.

75 avanti  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:07:25pm

Crazy Pam has the solution to the GOP losing the youth vote, raise the voting age to 26:


"If you consider that children can now stay on their parent's healthcare until they are 26, shouldn't the voting age be the same? If they are still babies, unable to work and pay for their health care, certainly they should not be eligible to vote until they are 26 as well. Capisce? "

That would help, but allowing only white males over 50 to vote would seal the deal for today's GOP.

77 Kronocide  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:07:56pm

re: #74 Charles

If I see John Boehner weeping one more time I'm going to projectile-vomit.

He should be crying, they could have taken the Senate too if not for a few minor issues like TeaXenoDenierism.

78 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:08:54pm

re: #75 avanti

Crazy Pam has the solution to the GOP losing the youth vote, raise the voting age to 26:

"If you consider that children can now stay on their parent's healthcare until they are 26, shouldn't the voting age be the same? If they are still babies, unable to work and pay for their health care, certainly they should not be eligible to vote until they are 26 as well. Capisce? "

That would help, but allowing only white males over 50 to vote would seal the deal for today's GOP.

Fuck her seriously. My mom was already married and well established in her career at that age.

79 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:08:55pm

re: #75 avanti

Crazy Pam has the solution to the GOP losing the youth vote, raise the voting age to 26:

"If you consider that children can now stay on their parent's healthcare until they are 26, shouldn't the voting age be the same? If they are still babies, unable to work and pay for their health care, certainly they should not be eligible to vote until they are 26 as well. Capisce? "

That would help, but allowing only white males over 50 to vote would seal the deal for today's GOP.

About 80-90% of Jews vote Dem too. There are lots of places to make cuts.

80 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:08:55pm

re: #77 BigPapa

He should be crying, they could have taken the Senate too if not for a few minor issues like TeaXenoDenierism.

Freetoken had the best line- Texastan.

81 3eff Jeff  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:08:59pm

re: #74 Charles

If I see John Boehner weeping one more time I'm going to projectile-vomit.

Someone needs to cut him off the Vicks. Boehner's been overserved.

82 dmon  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:09:26pm

re: #75 avanti

Hmm intersting...maybe someone should suggest to Pam that we should also raise the age for military enlistment to 26...that way everythings nice and tidy

83 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:09:41pm

Still, I cannot find the results of the soil & water race.

The Oregonian, I am disappointed in you.

84 avanti  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:09:50pm

re: #74 Charles

If I see John Boehner weeping one more time I'm going to projectile-vomit.

I didn't mind, he may not have the same politics as I do, but it did show he has a strongly held love of country, even if I think he's wrong in the way to lead it.

85 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:10:12pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

About 80-90% of Jews vote Dem too. There are lots of places to make cuts.

Wicked. I hope Pam sees your post, though I'm sure she'll never see your point.

86 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:10:32pm

re: #66 SpaceJesus

The admins and real editors over there are good people, and the stalkers aren't helping their case by being rabid and incomprehensible.

Well, I really want to thank you and Obdicut for getting involved over there. I posted a couple of comments, but I don't think it's really appropriate for me to get involved in arguing at Wikipedia, or editing the page. Even if I had time to do it, which I don't.

The page itself is really out of date, by the way, and missing quite a bit of important information. The only ones editing it seem to be people with axes to grind.

87 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:11:05pm

re: #75 avanti

Crazy Pam has the solution to the GOP losing the youth vote, raise the voting age to 26:

"If you consider that children can now stay on their parent's healthcare until they are 26, shouldn't the voting age be the same? If they are still babies, unable to work and pay for their health care, certainly they should not be eligible to vote until they are 26 as well. Capisce? "

That would help, but allowing only white males over 50 to vote would seal the deal for today's GOP.

Would she change the age for military enrollment as well? Or should young soldiers be denied the right to vote as well?

88 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:11:25pm

re: #84 avanti

I didn't mind, he may not have the same politics as I do, but it did show he has a strongly held love of country, even if I think he's wrong in the way to lead it.

Being overly-emotional often causes people to make bad decisions. There may be a connection.

89 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:11:33pm

Regarding what Pam says this speaks to a broader problem the GOP has with young voters. I realize that pretty much every GOP candidate out there probably will disagree with her but it's the broader problem of conservatives and republicans looking down on young voters because we don't often vote for them. Instead of looking at why we don't vote for them, they say stupid shit like this. So, thanks Pam for reminding of why I am not a Republican.

90 insert name here  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:11:58pm

re: #75 avanti

Crazy Pam has the solution to the GOP losing the youth vote, raise the voting age to 26:

"If you consider that children can now stay on their parent's healthcare until they are 26, shouldn't the voting age be the same? If they are still babies, unable to work and pay for their health care, certainly they should not be eligible to vote until they are 26 as well. Capisce? "

That would help, but allowing only white males over 50 to vote would seal the deal for today's GOP.

My opinion: if you're old enough to join the military and get shot for your country, you're old enough to vote.

91 Kragar  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:12:07pm

re: #75 avanti

Crazy Pam has the solution to the GOP losing the youth vote, raise the voting age to 26:


"If you consider that children can now stay on their parent's healthcare until they are 26, shouldn't the voting age be the same? If they are still babies, unable to work and pay for their health care, certainly they should not be eligible to vote until they are 26 as well. Capisce? "

That would help, but allowing only white males over 50 to vote would seal the deal for today's GOP.

Perhaps we can make it so that only certain loyal party members and heads of households can vote?

92 celticdragon  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:12:13pm

re: #30 SpaceJesus

I don't think so, people under 35 don't care about gay marriage being legal or support it. Very few are opposed, even young-ish Republicans.

I give the opposition to gay rights in America about 15-20 more years.

Howver, according to Ambers at The Atlantic, there will be no push to end DADT in the lame duck session like what has been promised. It will be 15 years minimum before any president approaches that subject again. All we have left is the LCR lawsuit...and AttyGen Holder is going to fight that ll the way to the SCOTUS.

Never underestimate the Democrats capacity for cowardice and self destructive tendencies.

93 avanti  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:12:24pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

About 80-90% of Jews vote Dem too. There are lots of places to make cuts.

Good point, only male, straight, WASP's over 50, not on the east or west coasts allowed to vote.

94 avanti  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:13:26pm

re: #87 researchok

Would she change the age for military enrollment as well? Or should young soldiers be denied the right to vote as well?

No, she excludes the military. See, she's not really THAT crazy.

95 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:13:29pm

Wow, it looks like Ken Buck isn't going to win after all. Excellent. One more far right freakazoid bites the dust.

96 Kragar  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:13:29pm

re: #93 avanti

Good point, only male, straight, WASP's over 50, not on the east or west coasts allowed to vote.

P.S. no homos
/

97 3eff Jeff  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:13:38pm

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perhaps we can make it so that only certain loyal party members and heads of households can vote?

How about land holders? If you aren't paying property taxes, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

98 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:13:45pm

re: #90 insert name here

My opinion: if you're old enough to join the military and get shot for your country, you're old enough to vote.

This is why 18 year-olds won the right to vote. The "I've got mine, screw you buddy" types would take away the little bit of power young people have.

99 theheat  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:13:51pm

re: #72 3eff Jeff

Absolutely. So the question is, is the Tea Party a Last Stand of the Values Voter Brigrade, or a redoubling in strength? If the former, this might burn out during the Obama Administration.

No, they're stepping up the socon DNA. The GOP will take whatever fundie bits they can use from the teabaggers to rally the base - whatever it takes to go full metal crazy.

If the latter, it could be a couple decades before they decide they need to recruit gay and gay friendly voting blocks. Of course, they're still eschewing the Latino vote, so a couple decades could actually be 'infinite decades'.

What its going to take, is getting gay marriage legal in every state. Everybody gets to drink from the same goddamned fountain, and then there's no more debating it based on party lines. It isn't a party issue, it's a rights issue, and until those rights are guaranteed, the socons will make the gays twist in the wind and sing for their supper because of the socons' religious hangups which, by the way, will only become more entrenched.

What the GOP needs is more Meghan McCains, not John McCains. And the faux feminists like Palin and Bachmann, they can go ahead and just fuck right off.

100 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:13:51pm

re: #86 Charles


Sure is out of date. Maybe I'll make an edit about LGF being mentioned in the top 10 blogs.

101 blueraven  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:13:53pm

re: #75 avanti

Crazy Pam has the solution to the GOP losing the youth vote, raise the voting age to 26:

"If you consider that children can now stay on their parent's healthcare until they are 26, shouldn't the voting age be the same? If they are still babies, unable to work and pay for their health care, certainly they should not be eligible to vote until they are 26 as well. Capisce? "

That would help, but allowing only white males over 50 to vote would seal the deal for today's GOP.

How about those on medicare...shouldn't the same hold true for them as well? If they are on government health care they should not be able to vote. /

What a ridiculous argument. I pay extra to keep my daughter on my health care policy. She has a full time job that offers no insurance. She goes to college part time.

102 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:14:32pm

re: #95 Charles

Wow, it looks like Ken Buck isn't going to win after all. Excellent. One more far right freakazoid bites the dust.

My family members in Colorado just breathed a collective sigh of relief.

103 celticdragon  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:14:34pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

About 80-90% of Jews vote Dem too. There are lots of places to make cuts.


My dad actually suggested to me we should go back to allowing only property owners being able to vote.


I did not reply. No point in it.

104 dmon  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:14:51pm

Women tend to vote democratic....maybe she should exclude women too

105 avanti  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:15:08pm

re: #88 JeffFX

Being overly-emotional often causes people to make bad decisions. There may be a connection.

That would be me, I shed a tear watching Toy Story 3.

106 3eff Jeff  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:15:40pm

re: #103 celticdragon

Damnit. I was joking about the original wording of the Constitution. Man, attempting satire these days sucks.

107 Kragar  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:16:04pm

re: #97 3eff Jeff

How about land holders? If you aren't paying property taxes, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Maybe only members of upstanding families should be allowed to vote, either the father or eldest son. The family vote can be passed down hereditarily.

OH, We could also set up the Presidency to work the same way!

108 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:16:26pm

re: #95 Charles

CO also defeated a proposition to redefine person to the "beginning of the biological development" - pretty much making ESCR impossible (and throwing a monkey wrench in the abortion debate).

109 RogueOne  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:16:53pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

My family members in Colorado just breathed a collective sigh of relief.

Good for them.// I hope the dems are happy, this is what they've brought on hoosiers:

Mike Pence: Running for Governor
[Link: www.politico.com...]

I would much rather he ran for president since he just might win the gov seat.

110 theheat  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:17:04pm

re: #108 lawhawk

Best news I've heard all day. Well, it's up there with the best.

111 Jadespring  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:17:13pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I think gay marriage becomes a non issue as we see more and more voters who have grown up with a more higher tolerance to homosexuality. I don't see minds being able to be changed especially when you see people who actually feel that allowing gays to marry nad have the same marriage rights is somehow a threat to their religious freedom. Now, if you can somehow convince those people it's not the case then maybe but I see gay marriage becoming accepted as more and more people who are tolerant of it come of voting age.

I think it will be too. It just totally sucks for the people and political discourse in general as that trend works it's way through.
When we had the national Gay marriage vote here there were a few MP's who polled their constituents to get a handle on what they wanted. In two cases the 'against' numbers were higher but were scued significantly towards the older demographic. If it was just 35 and under were overwhemingly for it. Polls done nationally showed similar trends. Those MP's actually decided to vote yes, even though they were personally opposed (one was quite religious) because they basically said it's only a matter of time and we might as well get this issue over and done with and move on.

112 celticdragon  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:17:14pm

re: #106 3eff Jeff

Damnit. I was joking about the original wording of the Constitution. Man, attempting satire these days sucks.


Yeah, I know.

113 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:17:34pm

re: #108 lawhawk

CO also defeated a proposition to redefine person to the "beginning of the biological development" - pretty much making ESCR impossible (and throwing a monkey wrench in the abortion debate).

Yeah, the Personhood bill went down too, which is excellent. No one thought that would pass, anyway, but it's not over -- they will be back stronger than ever. This extremist religious right position is on the rise.

114 avanti  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:17:58pm

re: #95 Charles

Wow, it looks like Ken Buck isn't going to win after all. Excellent. One more far right freakazoid bites the dust.

That's one hopeful sign I saw last night. You can be too crazy to vote for, even if you are conservative. Having said that, I think we've had a few leftie's that should never have been elected sitting in office too.

115 insert name here  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:18:19pm

re: #98 JeffFX

This is why 18 year-olds won the right to vote. The "I've got mine, screw you buddy" types would take away the little bit of power young people have.

I remember well -- I was in high school, and this was during the Vietnam War, when college-aged students were being drafted, but they weren't allowed to vote.

116 RogueOne  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:19:02pm

re: #92 celticdragon

Howver, according to Ambers at The Atlantic, there will be no push to end DADT in the lame duck session like what has been promised. It will be 15 years minimum before any president approaches that subject again. All we have left is the LCR lawsuit...and AttyGen Holder is going to fight that ll the way to the SCOTUS.

Never underestimate the Democrats capacity for cowardice and self destructive tendencies.

Exactly. They had the opportunity to end DADT and instead chose to play it for the election season. Now it may not come up for a vote for another 10 years.

117 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:19:30pm

From what I understand, Marco Rubio won with the support of the Tea Party. I'm not sure how much of the Hispanic vote he received, but as a young, photogenic politician with Cuban roots, it seems that he's well positioned as someone who can appeal to minorities while representing the right wing.

118 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:19:56pm

re: #109 RogueOne

Good for them.// I hope the dems are happy, this is what they've brought on hoosiers:

Mike Pence: Running for Governor
[Link: www.politico.com...]

I would much rather he ran for president since he just might win the gov seat.

Eh blame his own ego for that. Sucks for Indiana if he's elected tho.

119 blueraven  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:21:26pm

re: #95 Charles

Wow, it looks like Ken Buck isn't going to win after all. Excellent. One more far right freakazoid bites the dust.

The only county left to report all votes is Boulder, with 85% of the votes in.
Currently Bennett is ahead 67% to 28%. There is nowhere for Buck to make up the difference and Bennett's lead should increase a little.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

120 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:22:14pm

re: #114 avanti

Charlie Rangel got reelected by a landslide - and he's going on trial in the House in just a few days for ethics, legal, and tax malfeasance that could see the House give him the boot. Never mind that he should have been booted in 2008 after all that came out (he was reelected soundly then too). Never mind that Congress refused to act in 2009 and waited until after the election in 2010 to bring the matter before the floor.

His constituents? They didn't care that he lied about his taxes, lied about his rent stabilized apartments, or any of that stuff. Rangel got his political club to deliver the votes - and they did.

And after him is Maxine Waters who also engaged in malfeasance putting her before the Ethics Committee.

121 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:22:30pm

re: #119 blueraven

The only county left to report all votes is Boulder, with 85% of the votes in.
Currently Bennett is ahead 67% to 28%. There is nowhere for Buck to make up the difference and Bennett's lead should increase a little.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Boulder - college town :-0

122 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:22:35pm

Some good news from Texas:
STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION Tone may moderate with new members
However, GOP likely to hang on to 2 key seats

Republicans will keep two key seats on the State Board of Education in Tuesday's election, but Texans could see a more moderate tone in the makeup of the new board.

Republican Marsha Farney, of Georgetown, beat out Democrat Judy Jennings, of Austin, for the District 10 seat that runs from outside Harris County to Austin. Farney will replace Cynthia Dunbar, R-Richmond, one of the leaders of the social conservatives, who decided against another term.

In another key contest, incumbent Ken Mercer, R-San Antonio, easily outpaced Texas State University professor Rebecca Ball Metereau for the District 5 seat that runs from northern Bexar County to southern Travis County.

Dunbar's retirement together with the upset defeats of two GOP incumbents in the primary last spring will give the board a new look, said Kathy Miller, president of the Texas Freedom Network, an Austin-based group that monitors the State Board of Education.

Don McLeroy, R-Bryan, one of the leaders of the social conservatives, will leave the board at the end of the year as the result of his defeat by Thomas Ratliff, R-Mount Pleasant, in the GOP primary. Another GOP primary casualty was Geraldine "Tincy" Miller of Dallas, ousted by Dallas educator George Clayton. Miller had been on the board for 26 years.

123 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:22:56pm

re: #117 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey

From what I understand, Marco Rubio won with the support of the Tea Party. I'm not sure how much of the Hispanic vote he received, but as a young, photogenic politician with Cuban roots, it seems that he's well positioned as someone who can appeal to minorities while representing the right wing.

I don't know whether his "minority appeal" would carry outside of Florida. The Hispanic community is anything but monolithic.

124 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:24:21pm

Just wanted to report that Harris County (Houston) voted to outlaw red light cameras yesterday. This is supposedly the first big city to bring this up for vote. Outlawing them won big (80%). I have to admit to not liking red light cameras because the citation comes to the car owner and not the driver.

125 RogueOne  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:28:33pm

re: #122 Shiplord Kirel

Great news out of texas:

Watkins Re-Elected as Dallas Co. DA
[Link: www.myfoxdfw.com...]


Democrat Craig Watkins narrowly beat Republican challenger Danny Clancy to be re-elected as Dallas County District Attorney, according to unofficial results from Dallas County's election division.

The night started with Clancy ahead 51 percent with heavy support in early voting, but turned later in the evening when more Democratic precinct numbers began rolling in.

126 joest73  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:29:47pm

re: #117 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey

From what I understand, Marco Rubio won with the support of the Tea Party. I'm not sure how much of the Hispanic vote he received, but as a young, photogenic politician with Cuban roots, it seems that he's well positioned as someone who can appeal to minorities while representing the right wing.

Rubio...without doubt is a rising star for the republicans. Too young for 2012 though. Maybe as VP with a veteran guy at the top of the ticket.

127 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:31:32pm

By the way, we got 43 new users yesterday when I announced registration was open, plus 11 accounts that were attempted sock puppets by the usual cretins. Here's the list (and there could still be a troll or two lurking in here):


TheQuad
santisue
AsTheWormTurns
mikewest
lilorphant
GiveWarAChance
svetov
Sep-
amrywfe
seholland
alpuz
AaronY
zackbagen
calder
cwolff
TorontoEmerg
sylwestera
MurphysMom
NorthOfAtlanta
Repentant
rehem
sizzleRI
economicsprofessor
Pete Puma
milynily
Bulworth
teachinkorea
Curryworks1
magsxgirl
tomasso
redbird250
Misty
Ohio 2010
harrogate
LRonHoover
humanoidpanda
Ampersander
phillytransplant
Talking Point Detective
Marek Bage
DeeCook
seathingchild
BadNewsModerate

128 3eff Jeff  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:33:37pm

Well, Nancy Pelosi can always look on the bright side. Her home team won the World Series.

129 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:35:15pm

re: #127 Charles

Best nic: Talking Point Detective

130 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:35:36pm

re: #128 3eff Jeff

Well, Nancy Pelosi can always look on the bright side. Her home team won the World Series.

Well that and she won't be a right wing boogeyman anymore. Kinda hard to make a boogeyman out of the minority leader.

131 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:37:14pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Wanna see how? Simply see her attempt to use the same procedural tactics the GOP has used.

132 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:38:06pm

re: #128 3eff Jeff

Well, Nancy Pelosi can always look on the bright side. Her home team won the World Series.

However, she lost the big plane and perks.

133 Interesting Times  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:38:15pm

re: #129 researchok

Best nic: Talking Point Detective

Took the post right out of my keyboard :) I also like humanoidpanda and LRonHoover (very clever if it's the kind of dig I think it is...)

134 dmon  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:39:15pm

The guys at firehouse (union job) were all thrilled this morning that republicans swept the state offices here on Ohio..... I said "Thats great, maybe Ohio will turn into a right to work state now"........ Got some dirty looks, but also a couple of blank stares...talk about voting against your own interests.....geeze

135 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:39:22pm

re: #133 publicityStunted

Took the post right out of my keyboard :) I also like humanoidpanda and LRonHoover (very clever if it's the kind of dig I think it is...)

I thought Bad News Moderate was pretty good, too.

Happy times, I can feel them coming.

136 Jadespring  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:39:40pm

re: #131 lawhawk

Wanna see how? Simply see her attempt to use the same procedural tactics the GOP has used.

That would be funny if she did that. In a black humor ironic way.

137 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:40:54pm

re: #131 lawhawk

Wanna see how? Simply see her attempt to use the same procedural tactics the GOP has used.


YEah but at least I won't have to have a right wing campaign surrogate tell me that Nancy Pelosi is responsible for so much bad.

138 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:41:12pm

re: #127 Charles

At least one of them is logged into this thread right now!

*waves*

139 blueraven  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:41:29pm

3:41 A.M. Rasmussen Reports Polls Were Biased

While waiting for the remaining results to trickle in from states like Colorado and Alaska, I did a quick check on the accuracy of polls from the firm Rasmussen Reports, which came under heavy criticism this year — including from FiveThirtyEight — because its polls showed a strong lean toward Republican candidates.

Indeed, Rasmussen polls quite consistently turned out to overstate the standing of Republicans tonight. Of the roughly 100 polls released by Rasmussen or its subsidiary Pulse Opinion Research in the final 21 days of the campaign, roughly 70 to 75 percent overestimated the performance of Republican candidates, and on average they were biased against Democrats by 3 to 4 points.

Every pollster is entitled to a bad cycle now and again — and Rasmussen has had some good cycles in the past. But their polling took a major downturn this year.

Also...

2:29 A.M. |Worst Poll Award

I haven’t checked this in detail yet, but it appears as though the worst poll of the political cycle will be the Rasmussen Reports survey of Hawaii, which had the incumbent Daniel Inoyue defeating Cam Cavasso by just 13 points. Mr. Inouye is ahead by 55 points right now. If Mr. Inouye’s margin holds, the 42-point error would be by far the worst general election poll in FiveThirtyEight’s database, which includes all polls since 1998; the previous record was 29 points.

[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Final tally in Hawaii

Cavasso (R)
79,830
21%

Inouye (D)
276,928
75%

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

140 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:41:33pm

The best post election remark, delivered by the losing candidate;

"The People have spoken. Now they shall pay"

-Ed Koch after losing mayoral race to David Dinkins.

141 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:41:59pm

re: #131 lawhawk

Wanna see how? Simply see her attempt to use the same procedural tactics the GOP has used.

Except that most of the ugly procedural tactics used were in the Senate. In the house, the speaker's got a lot more ability to shut down the minority.

142 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:42:01pm

OK - question.

Do the Republicans have any elected officials serving nationally who are as liberal as the new Democratic Senator from West Virginia is (allegedly) Conservative?...............

143 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:42:06pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

At least one of them is logged into this thread right now!

*waves*

LOLOL

144 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:42:27pm

re: #4 euphgeek

Now we'll never know what her policy on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were!

Dude, she already told us:

You know, the two wars that we're in right now is exactly what we're in.

How much more clearly can she put it? Sheesh.

145 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:43:02pm

re: #131 lawhawk

Wanna see how? Simply see her attempt to use the same procedural tactics the GOP has used.

the democratic party should use all of the tactics the gop has so shamelessly deployed for the past 30 years and see how they like it then

turnabout is fair play

146 theheat  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:45:56pm

re: #145 engineer dog

the democratic party should use all of the tactics the gop has so shamelessly deployed for the past 30 years and see how they like it

And do it in a sharp looking suit (she has them). Adds to the fun catty-bitch Joan Collins/Dynasty thing. I say it's time for Nancy to kick back, now some of the heat's off, and go all out nasty. She'd be so much more fun that way. I might actually like her.

147 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:46:04pm

re: #145 engineer dog

the democratic party should use all of the tactics the gop has so shamelessly deployed for the past 30 years and see how they like it then

turnabout is fair play

The last congress was the most obstructionist ever in terms of minority party politics.

148 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:46:37pm

re: #139 blueraven

That's interesting - and I'd be interested to see Silver's take on Rassmussen separate from the Pulse Opinion Research. I suspect that the latter greatly affected matters.

149 sizzleRI  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:47:51pm

re: #146 theheat

That image of a kick-ass Pelosi will help soothe the wounds of yesterday. Thank you!

150 Jadespring  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:48:01pm

re: #146 theheat

And do it in a sharp looking suit (she has them). Adds to the fun catty-bitch Joan Collins/Dynasty thing. I say it's time for Nancy to kick back, now some of the heat's off, and go all out nasty. She'd be so much more fun that way. I might actually like her.

I think it will be interesting to see what way she decides to play the game now that some of the restrictions are off.

151 Sionainn  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:48:41pm

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But Rush said Angle only lost because GOP insiders didn't back her campaign and the liberal media was out to get her.

Bunch of whiny babies. I admit to getting a kick out listening to conservatives on the local talk station this morning having a meltdown.

152 theheat  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:48:42pm

re: #149 sizzleRI

re: #150 Jadespring

Can't you totally see Nancy as Joan Collins? I'm loving it.

153 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:49:48pm

re: #150 Jadespring

It will be much easier to keep the rank and file in line - with fewer members in her caucus, she can get better organized to fight off the majority. It will be much tougher for Boehner to keep together his majority on issues when they want to pull in different directions.

154 insert name here  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:49:52pm

re: #147 wozzablog

The last congress was the most obstructionist ever in terms of minority party politics.

And they had a huge PR machine (Fox News, Limbaugh, etc.) spinning their POV and agenda. The Dems lack this sort of machinery, and my fear is that, if the Democratic party becomes as obstructionist as the GOP was last year, the GOP PR machine will eat 'em up and we'll see more defeats at the next election.

155 blueraven  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:50:19pm

re: #148 lawhawk

That's interesting - and I'd be interested to see Silver's take on Rassmussen separate from the Pulse Opinion Research. I suspect that the latter greatly affected matters.

I have a feeling Nate will be delving into this a bit more once he has a chance to catch his breath. It is interesting and begs the question of how much polling affects the narrative early on.

156 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:50:39pm

the republican party in the past 30 years has shown itself to be the unrivaled master of the art of sowing lies and deception

the masterpiece of this effort has been the straw man "liberal" that bears little relationship to actual progressives or democrats - yet this is the bogeyman that the GOP runs against every year

it's high time that the democrats get up on their hind legs and learn how to expose the Republican Lie Factory effectively so that the american people can once again vote like intelligent and well informed people who know the truth

157 Sionainn  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:51:14pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

At least one of them is logged into this thread right now!

*waves*

How can we see who is logged onto a thread?

158 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:51:18pm

re: #145 engineer dog

the democratic party should use all of the tactics the gop has so shamelessly deployed for the past 30 years and see how they like it then

turnabout is fair play

If the Republicans had by some chance won the Senate, they would be pushing for the "nuclear option" right out of the gate.

159 Gus  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:51:54pm

re: #64 Charles

Meanwhile, the creepy stalkers who've been trying to vandalize LGF's Wikipedia page are still pissing and moaning about being shut down by WP editors.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Good. I went back there again after reading this. I tell you that "Notanipokay" user need a hobby. It's plainly obvious that his only objective now is to reintroduce the false "Alterations and Deletions" section linking to Tim Blair's website. He also manages to turn it into a conspiracy with dreamed up accounts as to who "Spacejesus5000" and "Sundowners" really are. Typical though. I've been seeing these sorts of crazies, including the current stalkers, since the insane days and people of USENET.

160 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:52:55pm

re: #157 Sionainn

How can we see who is logged onto a thread?

Go down to the bottom of the page and look just above "back to top". There's a button that says "Show Users".

161 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:53:19pm

re: #154 insert name here

And they had a huge PR machine (Fox News, Limbaugh, etc.) spinning their POV and agenda. The Dems lack this sort of machinery, and my fear is that, if the Democratic party becomes as obstructionist as the GOP was last year, the GOP PR machine will eat 'em up and we'll see more defeats at the next election.

The Democrats still have the senate and Presidency - the senate can sideline the wingnut bills, gut the bat shit bills and the president still has his veto.

But agreed- the number of people who buy that the GOP had any interest in bipartisanship through their shill media is a bleeping joke.

162 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:53:41pm

re: #157 Sionainn

How can we see who is logged onto a thread?

There's a "show users" button under your reply box at the bottom.

163 insert name here  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:54:26pm

re: #160 wrenchwench

Go down to the bottom of the page and look just above "back to top". There's a button that says "Show Users".

Cool. Thanks!

164 researchok  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:54:45pm

Israeli Dancing with the Stars contestant opts for same-sex dance partner

Israel is the first country to feature a same-sex duo on its version of the popular television competition Dancing with the Stars, and the two women have already resolved the toughest question they face: Who will lead?

One, a gay television presenter, and the other, a straight professional dancer, are going to take turns.

"The leader and the follower - we change all the time," said Dorit Milman, the professional dance partner of TV sportscaster Gili Shem-Tov.

165 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:55:13pm

GM goes Galt, Socialism averted...
GM $13 bln IPO to make U.S. minority shareholder


General Motors on Wednesday finalized terms for a nearly $13 billion stock offering to repay a controversial taxpayer-funded bailout and reduce the U.S. Treasury to a minority shareholder.
166 Sionainn  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:55:22pm

re: #160 wrenchwench

Go down to the bottom of the page and look just above "back to top". There's a button that says "Show Users".

Duh. I feel really dumb now. I looked everywhere and that button never registered.

Thanks!

167 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:56:06pm

re: #164 researchok

Israeli Dancing with the Stars contestant opts for same-sex dance partner

where Israel leads..............?

168 insert name here  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:56:24pm

re: #166 Sionainn

Duh. I feel really dumb now. I looked everywhere and that button never registered.

Thanks!

(Pssst, Sionainn...I looked too, but didn't see it, either...)

169 Sionainn  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:57:13pm

re: #168 insert name here

(Pssst, Sionainn...I looked too, but didn't see it, either...)

It's always nice to know that I'm not the only one.

170 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:57:20pm

re: #168 insert name here

(Pssst, Sionainn...I looked too, but didn't see it, either...)

We need a "Show Buttons" button.

171 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:57:23pm

re: #167 wozzablog

where Israel leads...?

Can the show not just define "dancing" as "an act between one man and one woman"?

/

172 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:58:15pm

re: #159 Gus 802

Good. I went back there again after reading this. I tell you that "Notanipokay" user need a hobby. It's plainly obvious that his only objective now is to reintroduce the false "Alterations and Deletions" section linking to Tim Blair's website. He also manages to turn it into a conspiracy with dreamed up accounts as to who "Spacejesus5000" and "Sundowners" really are. Typical though. I've been seeing these sorts of crazies, including the current stalkers, since the insane days and people of USENET.

Surprised he hasn't been ip-blocked from there as of yet. Both for his continuous attacks on the editors as well as for his borderline racist username.

173 Max  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:58:29pm

Meet the new, scientifically illiterate Speaker of the House.

174 filetandrelease  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:59:00pm

Although I wanted them to win, Angles and Odonnel are lessons for the tea party, I hope learned.

Yesterday was a bad day for the dems but remember just two years ago the Republican Party was considered washed up yet here it comes roaring back. And the window of opportunity for them to turn around the economy is as short as voters memories. 2012 will be here before you know it.

Anyway, though most here are politically worlds apart from myself I have never doubted anyone’s patriotism here and only hope you continue the good fight for your beliefs.

175 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:59:25pm

Radley Balko points out Last Night's Good News on the Criminal Justice Front

The first was the reelection of Dallas County, Texas, District Attorney Craig Watkins. It was close, but it looks like Watson pulled it out. Watson is a former defense attorney who in 2006 took over one of the most notoriously ruthless DA offices in the country. He's also the first African-American DA in Texas history. Watkins set up a special unit within DA's office whose sole charge was to find innocent people who had been convicted by the prosecutors who previously occupied the office. It's probably of no coincidence, then, that Dallas County leads every county in the country (and most states) in exonerations. Watson actually had critics who argued that it wasn't a prosecutors job to free the wrongly convicted. So it was good to see Dallas voters give him their approval, if only by a slim margin. (Read my interview with Watkins here.)

The other encouraging news from last night is that Colorado voters soundly rejected judges Terence Gilmore and Jolene Blair. Gilmore and Blair were reprimanded by the Colorado Supreme Court in 2008 for withholding exculpatory evidence while they were prosecutors. That withheld evidence helped them convict Timothy Masters of a crime he didn't commit. While Masters served a decade in prison, Gimore and Blair were promoted to judge. The reprimand and finding that they convicted an innocent man did not preclude them from sitting on the bench, where they presided over criminal cases.

176 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 12:59:58pm

I see Breitbart is still bitching that George Soros is harassing him. What a loon.

177 abbyadams  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:00:38pm

re: #47 Killgore Trout

Laugh all you want but I've seen that on Facebook already.

178 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:00:44pm

re: #171 ralphieboy

Can the show not just define "dancing" as "an act between one man and one woman"?

/

really, the world needs to take a quick step to catch up.........

179 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:01:24pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

I see Breitbart is still bitching that George Soros is harassing him. What a loon.

Soros is camped out on my doorstep too - i can't go anywhere without being harrassed by him............

180 Max  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:03:13pm

re: #179 wozzablog

Soros is camped out on my doorstep too - i can't go anywhere without being harrassed by him...

Aww man, you too? They must've cloned George Soros just to annoy conservatives...

181 Max  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:03:40pm

re: #174 filetandrelease

Although I wanted them to win, Angles and Odonnel are lessons for the tea party, I hope learned.

Huh?

182 3eff Jeff  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:04:14pm

re: #180 Max D. Reinhardt

Aww man, you too? They must've cloned George Soros just to annoy conservatives...

Wait, did each of the clones vote? ACOOOOORN!

183 blueraven  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:06:17pm

re: #180 Max D. Reinhardt

Aww man, you too? They must've cloned George Soros just to annoy conservatives...

He probably has stand-ins, just like Saddam Hussein!

184 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:06:27pm

re: #180 Max D. Reinhardt

Aww man, you too? They must've cloned George Soros just to annoy conservatives...

Am not a conservative - he just seems to think i need harassed.

Or it's not him at all - my mind wanders.

185 filetandrelease  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:07:00pm

re: #181 Max D. Reinhardt

Better candidates would have won.

186 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:07:46pm

re: #178 wozzablog

Obviously not a pun thread.............

187 Interesting Times  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:08:04pm

re: #142 wozzablog

Do the Republicans have any elected officials serving nationally who are as liberal as the new Democratic Senator from West Virginia is (allegedly) Conservative?...

Heh...speaking of him:

"We are calling the West Virginia Senate race for Democrat Joe Manchin in a landslide. Now, technically, it's only 11 points, but given West Virginia's rich tradition of mining coal by blowing the tops off of mountains, pretty much everything that happens in that state is a landslide." - Stephen Colbert

188 Slap  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:09:47pm

re: #133 publicityStunted

Took the post right out of my keyboard :) I also like humanoidpanda and LRonHoover (very clever if it's the kind of dig I think it is...)

FYI, from a zappafreak.....

LRonHoover is the kind of dig you think it is, and the dig was heavily expanded -- but it's a Zappa creation, a key "character" in the Joe's Garage trilogy -- he's the head of the First Church of Appliantology.

(If you're curious, the nicely-detailed Wiki page on the trilogy is here.)

Nice to see someone using a Zappa nick, tho. Hope they do it some justice.

189 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:10:06pm

Does anyone ever use the "Show Links" button?

190 filetandrelease  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:10:09pm

re: #142 wozzablog

OK - question.

Do the Republicans have any elected officials serving nationally who are as liberal as the new Democratic Senator from West Virginia is (allegedly) Conservative?...

They didn't make it through the primaries.

191 Max  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:10:59pm

re: #189 Charles

Does anyone ever use the "Show Links" button?

I never have.

192 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:11:41pm

re: #191 Max D. Reinhardt

I never have.


I neither

193 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:12:05pm

re: #189 Charles

Does anyone ever use the "Show Links" button?

Very occasionally, only because I forget about it. It's actually pretty cool when remembered.

194 Sionainn  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:12:08pm

re: #177 abbyadams

Laugh all you want but I've seen that on Facebook already.

re: #185 filetandrelease

Better candidates would have won.

Tarkanian and Lowden weren't any better.

195 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:13:09pm

re: #189 Charles

Does anyone ever use the "Show Links" button?

I use it sometimes.

196 Interesting Times  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:13:12pm

re: #189 Charles

Does anyone ever use the "Show Links" button?

At one time, I thought it was synonymous with "Spinoffs", i.e. that "Spinoffs" would give you a list of all links harvested from a thread. I later realized I was mistaken, of course, but now I wonder - since you have the Pages system to take the place of spinoffs, maybe the "show links" button could be moved to the front page listings of threads, the way Spinoffs is? That way people would have easier access to it, and it might get used more...

197 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:13:14pm

re: #188 Slap

FYI, from a zappafreak...

LRonHoover is the kind of dig you think it is, and the dig was heavily expanded -- but it's a Zappa creation, a key "character" in the Joe's Garage trilogy -- he's the head of the First Church of Appliantology.

(If you're curious, the nicely-detailed Wiki page on the trilogy is here.)

Nice to see someone using a Zappa nick, tho. Hope they do it some justice.

The white zone is for loading and unloading only. If you have to load, or unload, go to the white zone. You'll love it. It's a way of life.

198 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:14:13pm

re: #193 Stanley Sea

Very occasionally, only because I forget about it. It's actually pretty cool when remembered.

I don't use it often but I think it's a handy feature.

199 Sionainn  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:14:27pm

re: #189 Charles

Does anyone ever use the "Show Links" button?

Where is that button?

200 Slap  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:14:51pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

I don't use it often but I think it's a handy feature.

He's

THE MOST INTERESTING POSTER IN THE WORLD!!!!!

201 filetandrelease  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:15:02pm

re: #194 Sionainn

re: #185 filetandrelease


Tarkanian and Lowden weren't any better.

Hard to imagine, were either of them a witch?

202 3eff Jeff  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:15:03pm

re: #199 Sionainn

Where is that button?

Right next to 'new comments'

203 Jadespring  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:15:31pm

I just got a spam mail about the US election that appears to be making the rounds up her. I think it's funny but it may because of my sense of humor and my citizenship. We can be weird up here.
To post or not to post....

204 Slap  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:16:23pm

re: #200 Slap

....too many commercials....the line "I don't use it often...." just reminded me of thos Dos Equis commercials.....

205 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:17:51pm

Did anyone see the movie "Death at a Funeral"? What did you think about the portrayal of Black men as homophobes and the "humor" of drugging and beating a gay man to death.

206 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:18:02pm

Root, hog, or die:

Wayne Alan Root over at the arch-conservative [Link: www.newsmax.com...] even came and admitted

"They did not understand how to attract Hispanic votes. And they had better learn fast if they want to win any future elections. Hispanics should be part of the conservative movement. Conservatives must learn how to communicate with and win over Hispanic voters or risk becoming obsolete."

But how are they going to do that with a party platform that is anti-union, anti-immigration and does not embrace any of the major social and economic interests of the Hispanic community?

207 Gus  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:18:22pm

re: #172 RadicalModerate

Surprised he hasn't been ip-blocked from there as of yet. Both for his continuous attacks on the editors as well as for his borderline racist username.

What's the name reference similar to?

208 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:18:29pm

re: #170 wrenchwench

We need a "Show Buttons" button.

I can never find the "ANY" key... :(

209 Kragar  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:18:46pm

re: #189 Charles

Does anyone ever use the "Show Links" button?

Can't recall every using it.

210 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:19:39pm

re: #208 oaktree

I can never find the "ANY" key... :(

You only get that option when the keyboard is detected as not being plugged in.

211 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:19:52pm

re: #189 Charles

Does anyone ever use the "Show Links" button?

I used it back in the day before "spinoffs" were added.

212 Sionainn  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:20:00pm

re: #201 filetandrelease

Hard to imagine, were either of them a witch?

No, but Tarkanian thought Armenians always vote for each other and Lowden is a word that rhymes with witch. Does that count? //

213 Interesting Times  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:20:20pm

re: #188 Slap

FYI, from a zappafreak...

LRonHoover is the kind of dig you think it is, and the dig was heavily expanded -- but it's a Zappa creation, a key "character" in the Joe's Garage trilogy -- he's the head of the First Church of Appliantology.

(If you're curious, the nicely-detailed Wiki page on the trilogy is here.)

Nice to see someone using a Zappa nick, tho. Hope they do it some justice.

Most interesting - I didn't know that at all :) I figured the nickname was a way of equating scientology with a certain US president and his economic legacy...

214 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:20:23pm

re: #196 publicityStunted

At one time, I thought it was synonymous with "Spinoffs", i.e. that "Spinoffs" would give you a list of all links harvested from a thread. I later realized I was mistaken, of course, but now I wonder - since you have the Pages system to take the place of spinoffs, maybe the "show links" button could be moved to the front page listings of threads, the way Spinoffs is? That way people would have easier access to it, and it might get used more...

Wait, I thought "show links" showed the links posted throughout the comments? I think it's cool, but need to utilize it more. Just taking a look @ it now, it's very interesting!

215 3eff Jeff  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:21:38pm

re: #207 Gus 802

What's the name reference similar to?

notanipokay : not a nip okay

Nip is short for Nipponese, which derives from the Japanese word for Japan: Nippon. It's a US/UK slur for a person of Japanese descent.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

216 Sionainn  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:22:30pm

re: #203 Jadespring

I just got a spam mail about the US election that appears to be making the rounds up her. I think it's funny but it may because of my sense of humor and my citizenship. We can be weird up here.
To post or not to post...

Post. Please.

217 Gus  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:23:03pm

re: #215 3eff Jeff

notanipokay : not a nip okay

Nip is short for Nipponese, which derives from the Japanese word for Japan: Nippon. It's a US/UK slur for a person of Japanese descent.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Oh, I see. Wow, that is racist.

218 Interesting Times  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:23:48pm

re: #214 Stanley Sea

Wait, I thought "show links" showed the links posted throughout the comments?

It does, and I mistakenly thought "Spinoffs" did the same thing. But from what I can see, Spinoff links are posted independently rather than being automagically harvested from comments. In other words, they're not the same thing and I (personally) would like to see "Show Links" replace the Spinoff link beneath threads as listed on the front page.

219 Sionainn  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:24:01pm

re: #202 3eff Jeff

Right next to 'new comments'

Maybe I need new glasses. Thanks.

220 filetandrelease  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:24:07pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

Do I recall correctly that you have studied Islam significantly? The reason I ask is that I am trying to find a book about the early years, just after Mohammad's death, and was wondering if you had a recommendation?

221 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:24:09pm

re: #215 3eff Jeff

notanipokay : not a nip okay

Nip is short for Nipponese, which derives from the Japanese word for Japan: Nippon. It's a US/UK slur for a person of Japanese descent.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I thought it was a poorly spelled indication that he wasn't in jail, or wasn't a companion to Gumby. (Not in the pokey!)

222 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:24:21pm

re: #215 3eff Jeff

notanipokay : not a nip okay

Nip is short for Nipponese, which derives from the Japanese word for Japan: Nippon. It's a US/UK slur for a person of Japanese descent.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


You mean saying "there's a nip in the air" is implying that they are about to attack Pearl Harbor again?

223 blueraven  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:24:52pm

re: #206 ralphieboy

Root, hog, or die:

Wayne Alan Root over at the arch-conservative [Link: www.newsmax.com...] even came and admitted

"They did not understand how to attract Hispanic votes. And they had better learn fast if they want to win any future elections. Hispanics should be part of the conservative movement. Conservatives must learn how to communicate with and win over Hispanic voters or risk becoming obsolete."

But how are they going to do that with a party platform that is anti-union, anti-immigration and does not embrace any of the major social and economic interests of the Hispanic community?

It is one thing to try to attract Hispanic voters, it is quite another when you aggressively demonize them as Angle did. They have a long way to go.

224 Slap  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:25:00pm

re: #213 publicityStunted

Well, yes.

Uncle Frank was no fan of that Prez. So that's not too much of a stretch, really....

(I'm assuming you're referring to The Hair....)

225 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:25:05pm

re: #219 Sionainn

Maybe I need new glasses. Thanks.

Actually thought you were joking! I recommend Lasik.

226 Kragar  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:25:30pm

re: #222 ralphieboy

You mean saying "there's a nip in the air" is implying that they are about to attack Pearl Harbor again?

No, it means you're at a Sumo match.

227 Sionainn  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:25:43pm

re: #193 Stanley Sea

Very occasionally, only because I forget about it. It's actually pretty cool when remembered.

I just checked it out. It looks like something that could come in handy instead of skimming through 400 posts looking for a particular link.

228 Slap  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:26:16pm

re: #226 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I thought it meant having a martini while skydiving?

229 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:26:59pm

The Dos Equis commercial I mentioned last week (and got the quote wrong):
Dos Equis Most Interesting Man on Manscaping

230 3eff Jeff  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:27:30pm

re: #221 oaktree

I thought it was a poorly spelled indication that he wasn't in jail, or wasn't a companion to Gumby. (Not in the pokey!)

Honestly, I'm not totally sure what the nick is supposed to mean, but I parsed it the same as RadicalModerate. I think his 'borderline' might have been a hedge against having misread it.

231 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:27:31pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

In a related item, GM is getting a huge tax break because of an IRS determination that certain loss-carryforward limmitation provisions wont apply to companies that received TARP funds.

according to documents filed with federal regulators, the revamping left the car maker with another boost as it prepares to return to the stock market. It won't have to pay $45.4 billion in taxes on future profits.

The tax benefit stems from so-called tax-loss carry-forwards and other provisions, which allow companies to use losses in prior years and costs related to pensions and other expenses to shield profits from U.S. taxes for up to 20 years. In GM's case, the losses stem from years prior to when GM entered bankruptcy.

Usually, companies that undergo a significant change in ownership risk having major restrictions put on their tax benefits. The U.S. bailout of GM, in which the Treasury took a 61% stake in the company, ordinarily would have resulted in GM having such limits put on its tax benefits, according to tax experts.

But the federal government, in a little-noticed ruling last year, decided that companies that received U.S. bailout money under the Troubled Asset Relief Program won't fall under that rule.

So, depending on how you want to account for this money or your political/economic leanings, GM is getting a $45.6 billion tax break, getting another bailout due to a ruling that shields the company from the usual rules on carryforwards, getting an undue handout from taxpayers, or getting the funds necessary to help turn around the company ahead of its expected offering.

The point of the ruling was to make the company more attractive to potential investors. Not having to pay taxes means that it puts GM at a competitive advantage compared to other carmakers who do have to pay taxes.

232 Jadespring  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:27:50pm

re: #216 Sionainn

Post. Please.

Okay. Though maybe it's not that funny. I think I laughed more because it came with the subject line "Immigration Increase" and when I opened it I was expecting some wingy anti-immigrant rant. It does mention curling though and anything with curling it.... :)

Anyways....

Canada Reports Huge Jump in Immigration
Over 55,000,000 Requests for Citizenship Since Tuesday Night

OTTAWA (The Borowitz Report) - Canadian immigration officials have reported a huge increase in the number of requests for Canadian citizenship in the past twenty-four hours, with over fifty-five million such inquiries pouring in since late Tuesday night.

Of those fifty-five million requests, well over 99.99% of them came from
U.S. citizens, with a particularly large number coming from residents of
Florida and Kentucky.

Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon said that he was
"flabbergasted" by the fifty-five-million-plus requests for Canadian
citizenship, adding that it was difficult to pinpoint the precise reasons
for the staggering increase.

"My only theory is that after the 2010 winter Olympics, the sport of curling
is finally starting to catch on," he said.

He cautioned, however, that it is impossible to know exactly what is
sparking the sudden interest in America's frozen neighbor to the north:
"People answering our immigration hotline say that it is hard to understand many of the American callers because they are sobbing uncontrollably."

233 freetoken  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:29:33pm

re: #223 blueraven

In Texastan, where the GOP had significant victories in the state elections, there was a drive on to recruit hispanic Republicans.

Looking at who ran and won in that effort, it looks like the GOP can successfully run candidates with a Mexican background if they also happen to by rather theocratic.

As with the GOP's successful black candidates, appealing to the hyper-religious is a way around the racial barrier.

234 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:29:53pm

re: #215 3eff Jeff

notanipokay : not a nip okay

Nip is short for Nipponese, which derives from the Japanese word for Japan: Nippon. It's a US/UK slur for a person of Japanese descent.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Personally I read it as "not an IP okay" (!?) as an exasperation with wiki and their use for IPs for signatures when people aren't logged in.

Hope that makes sense.

235 Sionainn  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:29:58pm

re: #225 Stanley Sea

Actually thought you were joking! I recommend Lasik.

I don't know if I'm joking or not. My eyes just seem to skip over all sorts of things these days...not sure LASIK would help with that. ;-)

On a more serious note, I'm so afraid that I'd be the one person out of however many that has something go wrong during the surgery that I just won't do it.

236 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:30:34pm

re: #232 Jadespring


Sorta thing came up - even seriously - after Bush II was elected as well. Not so much after obama, they decided to stay and fight it out via the Tea Party.

237 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:30:42pm

re: #220 filetandrelease

I came across one a while back.

After the Prophet: The Epic Story of the Shia-Sunni Split in Islam.

238 Slap  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:30:53pm

re: #232 Jadespring

No, it's funny.

"...the sport of curling is finally catching on".....

"....hard to understand....because they're sobbing uncontrollably...."

Made me laugh.

239 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:31:28pm

re: #233 freetoken


Hispanics have a tendency to be very conservative on family and religious issues, there is room for common ground with the GOP in that respect.

240 3eff Jeff  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:31:54pm

re: #234 bloodstar

Personally I read it as "not an IP okay" (!?) as an exasperation with wiki and their use for IPs for signatures when people aren't logged in.

Hope that makes sense.

It does. I certainly hope that's what he meant. Mathematically speaking, they're both valid parse trees, so it's a bit of a Rorschach Test.

241 Sionainn  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:32:28pm

re: #232 Jadespring

Okay. Though maybe it's not that funny. I think I laughed more because it came with the subject line "Immigration Increase" and when I opened it I was expecting some wingy anti-immigrant rant. It does mention curling though and anything with curling it... :)

Anyways...

Canada Reports Huge Jump in Immigration
Over 55,000,000 Requests for Citizenship Since Tuesday Night

OTTAWA (The Borowitz Report) - Canadian immigration officials have reported a huge increase in the number of requests for Canadian citizenship in the past twenty-four hours, with over fifty-five million such inquiries pouring in since late Tuesday night.

Of those fifty-five million requests, well over 99.99% of them came from
U.S. citizens, with a particularly large number coming from residents of
Florida and Kentucky.

Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon said that he was
"flabbergasted" by the fifty-five-million-plus requests for Canadian
citizenship, adding that it was difficult to pinpoint the precise reasons
for the staggering increase.

"My only theory is that after the 2010 winter Olympics, the sport of curling
is finally starting to catch on," he said.

He cautioned, however, that it is impossible to know exactly what is
sparking the sudden interest in America's frozen neighbor to the north:
"People answering our immigration hotline say that it is hard to understand many of the American callers because they are sobbing uncontrollably."

I thought it was funny, too. I know someone in Kentucky who absolutely horrified by what happened last night.

242 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:32:34pm

re: #189 Charles

Does anyone ever use the "Show Links" button?

If one were to hit it accidentally, that would not count as "use", would it?

243 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:33:48pm

Btw, native New Yorker Jonathan Goldsmith plays the "Most Interesting Man in the World" for Dos Equis.
He is something of an adventurer himself:

Goldsmith supports the S.A.B.R.E Foundation, whose mission is to protect and preserve the Siberian Tiger. He has had the opportunity to feed a Siberian Tiger by hand. "I love tigers. I always have," says Goldsmith.


He adds though:

He also enjoys wine tasting, as he has been quoted saying "[I] actually don't drink beer at all. In fact I usually spend my nights reading a book, not partying with women."
244 filetandrelease  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:33:53pm

re: #237 lawhawk

Perfect, thank you.

245 Gus  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:34:08pm

re: #234 bloodstar

Personally I read it as "not an IP okay" (!?) as an exasperation with wiki and their use for IPs for signatures when people aren't logged in.

Hope that makes sense.

Hmm, that would work too.

246 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:34:22pm

re: #234 bloodstar

Personally I read it as "not an IP okay" (!?) as an exasperation with wiki and their use for IPs for signatures when people aren't logged in.

Hope that makes sense.

Note that this person was posting his edits with at least six different IP addresses. It's clear to me that he was trying to conceal his identity.

247 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:35:37pm

re: #95 Charles

Wow, it looks like Ken Buck isn't going to win after all. Excellent. One more far right freakazoid bites the dust.

There is a God. Really.

248 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:35:39pm

Last Remaining Politician Must Rebuild Entire Government Following Bloodiest Midterm Election In American History

WASHINGTON—In the wake of what is being called the deadliest midterm election in the nation's history, Washington's sole surviving politician, Rep. Peter DeFazio of Oregon's 4th Congressional District, emerged from the rubble of the Capitol building Wednesday to announce his intention to rebuild the fallen U.S. government.

249 Interesting Times  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:36:32pm

re: #240 3eff Jeff

It does. I certainly hope that's what he meant. Mathematically speaking, they're both valid parse trees, so it's a bit of a Rorschach Test.

ThisIsWhyCamelCaseIsYourFriend.

250 3eff Jeff  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:38:20pm

re: #249 publicityStunted

ThisIsWhyCamelCaseIsYourFriend.

or_underscores_and-hyphens, but CamelCaseAlwaysWorksAsAFinalFallBack.

251 Jadespring  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:39:58pm

Weird. These little birds are outside pecking at my window.

Hmmm...should I be worried?

252 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:41:19pm

re: #251 Jadespring

Weird. These little birds are outside pecking at my window.

Hmmm...should I be worried?

Show them that you have a cat and are not afraid to use it.

If you don't have a cat, then the Feline Overlords care not that the renegade tweety birds get to you...

/

253 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:41:27pm

Don't forget to add the Federal Reserve to the list of GOP investigations. I suspect they might even kick off the inquisition with that one.

254 Slap  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:41:31pm

re: #251 Jadespring

Weird. These little birds are outside pecking at my window.

Hmmm...should I be worried?

Only if they're there to take away your guns. Otherwise, they're just little peckers.

(ducking)

255 freetoken  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:41:38pm

re: #251 Jadespring

Weird. These little birds are outside pecking at my window.

Hmmm...should I be worried?

They're seeking asylum.

256 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:41:57pm

re: #251 Jadespring

Weird. These little birds are outside pecking at my window.

Hmmm...should I be worried?

Fewer than 10: No.

More than 100: Yes.

257 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:42:18pm

The motivations for self-harm vary and may be used to fulfill a number of different functions. These functions include self-harm being used as a coping mechanism which provides temporary relief of intense feelings such as anxiety, depression, stress, emotional numbness and a sense of failure or self-loathing. Self-harm is often associated with a history of trauma and abuse including emotional abuse, sexual abuse, drug dependence, eating disorders, or mental traits such as low self-esteem or perfectionism. There is also a positive statistical correlation between self-harm and emotional abuse

well, it's a start, but i still don't really understand the election results

259 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:43:38pm

re: #251 Jadespring

Weird. These little birds are outside pecking at my window.

Hmmm...should I be worried?

Are they smashing anything. One place I lived, the little birds would snatch up worms and then smash 'em against my bedroom window for whatever reason before eating them. Worst. Alarm clock. Ever.

260 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:44:45pm

re: #259 Slumbering Behemoth

Are they smashing anything. One place I lived, the little birds would snatch up worms and then smash 'em against my bedroom window for whatever reason before eating them. Worst. Alarm clock. Ever.

If you have skylights, and eagles with a taste for turtle (there's good eatin' on one of them) you might get a surprise one morning...

261 Jadespring  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:44:49pm

re: #252 oaktree

Show them that you have a cat and are not afraid to use it.

If you don't have a cat, then the Feline Overlords care not that the renegade tweety birds get to you...

/

Two of my cats are sitting at the window already. :)

262 Jadespring  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:46:04pm

re: #259 Slumbering Behemoth

Are they smashing anything. One place I lived, the little birds would snatch up worms and then smash 'em against my bedroom window for whatever reason before eating them. Worst. Alarm clock. Ever.

Yuck. No they're just pecking along the sides. I hope this doesn't mean I have some sort of bug infestation in the frame.

263 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:46:06pm

re: #257 engineer dog

well, it's a start, but i still don't really understand the election results


It's just a balance of power thing. Voters like to have different parties in the White House and Congress. Bush had a Republican Congress briefly. It's a following indicator. Obama is likely to be a two term president so they'll probably lose the Senate at some point too. When the next Republican president gets elected (that could be a while) everything will flip.

264 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:47:27pm

re: #262 Jadespring

Yuck. No they're just pecking along the sides. I hope this doesn't mean I have some sort of bug infestation in the frame.

Maybe they're collecting caulk to insulate their nests for the winter. ;)

I hope the cats are enjoying the show.

265 theheat  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:47:57pm

re: #262 Jadespring

You know how to get rid of an unwanted windowsill, don't you?
//

Instant French door space!

266 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:48:10pm

re: #189 Charles

I never do. I just use 'em as I see them in posts of interest.

267 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:50:16pm

GOP Lives Up To Rhetoric, Demands Support Money Back From Banksters, Eliminates Harmful And Expensive Subsidies And Tax Breaks To Multinational Corporations That Move Jobs Overseas, Harm The American Middle Class And Small Businesses, And Expatriate Profits To Offshore Tax Havens

in other news, pigs make startling new breakthroughs in aerodynamic efficiency

268 darthstar  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:55:21pm

Some of that 8% did look a little Asian, if you ask Sharron.

269 blueraven  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:55:41pm

re: #231 lawhawk

In a related item, GM is getting a huge tax break because of an IRS determination that certain loss-carryforward limmitation provisions wont apply to companies that received TARP funds.

So, depending on how you want to account for this money or your political/economic leanings, GM is getting a $45.6 billion tax break, getting another bailout due to a ruling that shields the company from the usual rules on carryforwards, getting an undue handout from taxpayers, or getting the funds necessary to help turn around the company ahead of its expected offering.

The point of the ruling was to make the company more attractive to potential investors. Not having to pay taxes means that it puts GM at a competitive advantage compared to other carmakers who do have to pay taxes.

Is that really any different (as far as the bottom line) than the tax breaks and subsidies to the oil companies? According to how you look at it, I guess.

[Link: www.businessweek.com...]

270 Joanne  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 2:04:52pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

I think it's true that gay marriage won't be a big issue in the future.

Tell that to the three judges in IA who were voted out after their same-sex marriage ruling. They had to purposely be voted out (meaning more than 50% of the voting public had to put NO next to their names). All three who were up for reelection did not get it.

The religious right and chamber of commerce put in almost a million dollars into ousting these judges who never had to raise money before.

Down the road, no, it won't be a big issue, but I think 10 years is the minimum for us to see that. And that saddens me to think of how many lives are being messed up, especially younger people.

271 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 2:12:10pm

re: #270 justjay

Tell that to the three judges in IA who were voted out after their same-sex marriage ruling. They had to purposely be voted out (meaning more than 50% of the voting public had to put NO next to their names). All three who were up for reelection did not get it.

The religious right and chamber of commerce put in almost a million dollars into ousting these judges who never had to raise money before.

Down the road, no, it won't be a big issue, but I think 10 years is the minimum for us to see that. And that saddens me to think of how many lives are being messed up, especially younger people.

I feel really bad for smart people in Iowa, god, imagine living in a place where people are so easily manipulated to hate

272 webevintage  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 2:15:08pm

re: #134 dmon

The guys at firehouse (union job) were all thrilled this morning that republicans swept the state offices here on Ohio... I said "Thats great, maybe Ohio will turn into a right to work state now"... Got some dirty looks, but also a couple of blank stares...talk about voting against your own interests...geeze

I wonder how thrilled they will be when the start losing jobs because of budget problems?

273 Joanne  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 2:29:50pm

re: #272 webevintage

I wonder how thrilled they will be when the start losing jobs because of budget problems?

It's truly sad how little people know about their own circumstances and how to better them. Too much knee jerk and too little thought behind it.

274 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 3:24:13pm

re: #127 Charles

Here's the list (and there could still be a troll or two lurking in here):


I am going to place my bet on Economics Professor.

275 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 4:00:38pm

re: #189 Charles

Does anyone ever use the "Show Links" button?

Yes, when I feel left of center.
Because its free.

276 Decider  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 7:34:13pm

She should have used the "scary Black Panther" thing to get more people in.

277 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 7:55:17pm

re: #12 EmmmieG

Were the 8% drunk?

Maybe that 8 % is on par with the mentality of the log cabin Republicans. Just a guess. I don't know for sure.

278 ihateronpaul  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:15:56pm

Let's be real here, the latino voters are the real racists here because they aren't white and voted against a white candidate

/

279 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:36:39pm

re: #67 JeffFX

With ancient wisdom.

/Is it racist if it's positive and just a joke?

If someone is looking for something, anything to bitch about as racist, they'll consider it racist.

re: #84 avanti

I didn't mind, he may not have the same politics as I do, but it did show he has a strongly held love of country, even if I think he's wrong in the way to lead it.

Bah. He has a strongly held love of power and is overwhelmed by the prospect of being Speaker (and second in line of succession for the Presidency, should anything happen to President Obama).

The weeping could also be caused by whatever drugs he takes to maintain that orange tan.

280 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 10:44:27pm

re: #140 researchok

The best post election remark, delivered by the losing candidate;

-Ed Koch after losing mayoral race to David Dinkins.

Boy, was he right on that one. Dinkins was The Man Who Couldn't Say No, at least to the unions and the interest groups, and the city suffered grievously for it.


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