Karl Rove Prophetic: ‘Climate is Gone’

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Karl Rove rejoices in the prospect of a planet unsuitable for human life: Karl Rove: ‘Climate Is Gone’.

“Climate is gone,” said Rove, the keynote speaker on the opening day of a two-day shale-gas conference sponsored by Hart Energy Publishing L.L.P. And Rove told the trade show, “I don’t think you need to worry” the new Congress will consider proposed legislation to put the controversial practice of hydraulic fracturing under federal rather than state regulation. The procedure, known as “fracking,” is responsible for the dramatic growth of shale-gas drilling in formations such as Pennsylvania’s vast Marcellus Shale.

But Rove and his cronies will have full bank accounts to the end, and that’s all that matters.

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574 comments
1 freetoken  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:35:05pm

"Fracking" is also causing water problems, so many people claim.

Anti-fracking is not an AGW policy point. Natural gas is a much better fuel than coal, from a climate change viewpoint.

2 jordash1212  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:36:46pm

You can't take it with you.

3 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:38:21pm

Drunk Science
/I got nuthin'

4 SteveC  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:39:06pm

Frak Karl Rove.

5 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:39:46pm

re: #1 freetoken

"Fracking" is also causing water problems, so many people claim.

Anti-fracking is not an AGW policy point. Natural gas is a much better fuel than coal, from a climate change viewpoint.

True. But dealing with the water problems does not mean abandoning fracking. We need that natural gas, and we should extract it. It will save us money and result in lower emissions.

6 calochortus  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:39:55pm

Lighting Drinking Water On Fire

Just what we all need.

7 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:40:14pm

re: #4 SteveC

Frak Karl Rove.

Sorry, he doesn't swing that way.

8 calochortus  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:40:57pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

I've got nothing against extracting gas, but much fracking contaminates huge amounts of groundwater. We need some standards here.

9 SteveC  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:42:04pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, he doesn't swing that way.

Thank goodness!

/That was "Curses upon your house!" frak, not "Let's get busy!" frak.

10 jaunte  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:42:11pm
But Rove and his cronies will have full bank accounts to the end

They might have to move out of their beach houses.

The Amundsen Sea Embayment (ASE) lies on the side of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS). It is an area that has always caused glaciologists concern, because here the bedrock beneath the ice is a long way below sea-level and the ice is only kept in place because it is thick enough to rest on the bed. Thinning of the ice around the coast could lead to glacier acceleration and further thinning of the ice sheet. Essentially, the ice sheet may be unstable, and the recent pattern of thinning could be a precursor to wholesale loss of the ASE ice sheet (implying a sea-level rise of around 1.5 m).

Complete collapse of the WAIS would result in a rise of about 5 m in global sea level. Most scientists working in the area think that complete collapse within the next few hundred years is unlikely, but even loss of one sector of the ice sheet would imply that projections of sea-level rise are at present too low.
[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]

11 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:44:29pm

re: #8 calochortus

I've got nothing against extracting gas, but much fracking contaminates huge amounts of groundwater. We need some standards here.

I don't oppose standards and oversight, as long as those are done honestly. Those doing the oversight need to not be shills for the energy companies nor for the enviro-loons. They need to be results focused and honest.

12 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:44:39pm

re: #8 calochortus

But regulating industry is evil commie voodoo.

13 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:45:15pm

The Orwellian named clean air act of 2005 which was pushed through the GOP congress by Cheney to the benefit of Haliburton, BP and Shell, created massive loopholes for frakking.

The frackking process, because it fractures rock - frequently under the water table send all manner of noxious chemicals into local water supplies.

Amongst the so called Haliburton loopholes were keeping the noxious chemical mixtures used to break shale formations open away from EPA oversight. There were specific reductions of regulations for things like arsenic, strontium and heavy metals to be found in air and water around the sites. In fact the acceptable levels were increased by thousands of times in terms of parts per million.

The effects we are talking about are brain lesions, disintegration of lung tissue, and scarring of internal organs.

As to environmental effects, we are talking about entire streams and fields becoming devoid of non-microbial life. Also many people are treated to being able to light their tap water on fire because of the amount of lost methane. This is a total slash and burn way to get at the gas that releases more into the water and air than is ever captured.

The business model as these people have swept across the American west, has been to buy up land knowing full well that many would get sick and die, but the cost of fighting them in court coupled with imposing a non-disclosure agreement if there was a forced settlement - was weighted out over the time in which those people would die and the profits to be made.

Perhaps worst of it is the amount of methane released that is never captured. Methane is a vastly worse GHG than CO2.

There is a fantastic documentary about this called Gasland.

If you want to see some of the terrible effects of this on real Americans, look at this trailer - including the flaming tap water.

Youtube Video

And gloating fat chipmunk faced Rove is pleased as punch to be able to deliver to his corporate masters. Remember less government means no one protects you from things like this.

Look at this clearly. This is why the GOP are pure evil.

14 freetoken  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:46:54pm

The policy problem with climate change is that human decision-making is based on immediate and short term factors involving one's happiness and social status.

This is why AGW will never be a political driver.

Environmental concerns do at times become local or national political drivers - in the case of fracking, pouring polluted water out of the tap motivates communities to tackle this issue.

Yet an annual rise in global average temps by .02C is not noticeable by the human senses, and will not drive political change.

I'm afraid that the hole we are digging is unlikely to be filled smartly.

15 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:47:31pm

re: #1 freetoken

"Fracking" is also causing water problems, so many people claim.

Anti-fracking is not an AGW policy point. Natural gas is a much better fuel than coal, from a climate change viewpoint.

It would be if frakking didn't release over five times more methane into the atmosphere than gets captured and if it didn't turn to CO2 when burnt. It is better than coal. That is about all that can be said for it. The real ways to combat AGW for power generation are Nuclear, Wind and Solar along with updating the grid and deploying new batteries.

Arguing that methane - if done right - which it is not - kills you slightly more slowly is a poor argument.

16 Gus  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:47:47pm

I hope it's obvious by now. The GOP is the party of fossil fuel energy corporations. The GOP's objection to AGW is not based on science but profit margins for their primary constituency, oil, coal, and gas industries.

Be thankful the GOP just has the House. Their power will be severely limited by the Dem controlled Senate and of course, the White House. The GOP is more anti-environmentalist then ever their history though and once they return to power they're going to make previous administrations look like the Sierra Club.

17 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:47:55pm

Wow, Karl! Who needs the Potomac in DC when you can have the ocean itself?

All sorts of wonders can come from this GOP sweep:

Ron Paul in charge of Federal Reserve oversight?

While we're at it, we can get Khalid Sheikh Mohammed out of that dungeon where they've stashed his hairy carcass and put him in charge of national security.

18 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:48:29pm

re: #15 LudwigVanQuixote

It would be if frakking didn't release over five times more methane into the atmosphere than gets captured and if it didn't turn to CO2 when burnt. It is better than coal. That is about all that can be said for it. The real ways to combat AGW for power generation are Nuclear, Wind and Solar along with updating the grid and deploying new batteries.

Arguing that methane - if done right - which it is not - kills you slightly more slowly is a poor argument.

Well then, what can be done to capture and burn that methane?

19 Gus  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:48:48pm

re: #15 LudwigVanQuixote

It would be if frakking didn't release over five times more methane into the atmosphere than gets captured and if it didn't turn to CO2 when burnt. It is better than coal. That is about all that can be said for it. The real ways to combat AGW for power generation are Nuclear, Wind and Solar along with updating the grid and deploying new batteries.

Arguing that methane - if done right - which it is not - kills you slightly more slowly is a poor argument.

Then you have the solvents they're injecting into the ground water.

20 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:49:20pm

"You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is."

21 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:49:39pm

re: #14 freetoken

The policy problem with climate change is that human decision-making is based on immediate and short term factors involving one's happiness and social status.

This is why AGW will never be a political driver.

Environmental concerns do at times become local or national political drivers - in the case of fracking, pouring polluted water out of the tap motivates communities to tackle this issue.

Yet an annual rise in global average temps by .02C is not noticeable by the human senses, and will not drive political change.

I'm afraid that the hole we are digging is unlikely to be filled smartly.

depends on who stands to profit...govt will not solve the problem, or even address it properly, that much we know already

22 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:50:32pm

re: #17 Shiplord Kirel

Wow, Karl! Who needs the Potomac in DC when you can have the ocean itself?

All sorts of wonders can come from this GOP sweep:

Ron Paul in charge of Federal Reserve oversight?

While we're at it, we can get Khalid Sheikh Mohammed out of that dungeon where they've stashed his hairy carcass and put him in charge of national security.

Waterboard Bernake!
/paulian

23 SteveC  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:50:45pm

Arsenic used in mining may cause Congenital Heart Defects

In the United States, an average of 1 child per 125 live births are born with a defective heart. In Arizona, the average is 1 child per 75. In Wisconsin, the average is 1 child per 71 live births.

24 freetoken  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:52:14pm

re: #15 LudwigVanQuixote

Arguing that methane - if done right - which it is not - kills you slightly more slowly is a poor argument.

Agree, but I guess my point was that the anti-fracking movement arose out of the drinking water problem, and that will be the source of political action, if any, taken.

25 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:53:27pm

re: #23 SteveC

Arsenic used in mining may cause Congenital Heart Defects

In the United States, an average of 1 child per 125 live births are born with a defective heart. In Arizona, the average is 1 child per 75. In Wisconsin, the average is 1 child per 71 live births.

What are the stats for West Virginia, if you have them at hand.

26 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:54:08pm

re: #24 freetoken

Agree, but I guess my point was that the anti-fracking movement arose out of the drinking water problem, and that will be the source of political action, if any, taken.

good point

27 calochortus  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:54:14pm

There are a few glimmers of hope here and there. CA voters voted down Prop. 23 which would have delayed the implementation of the state's climate change legislation pretty much forever.

28 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:55:09pm

nuke 'em....it's the only way

29 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:55:59pm

re: #19 Gus 802

Then you have the solvents they're injecting into the ground water.

Those are of course carcinogens and toxic in their own right if there is enough of a concentration.

Notice the way they planned this. They started out west where there were poor and uneducated folks and knew full well that those most severely affected would die before they could get a real pay out.

Notice that tap water shouldn't burn for God's sake.

Everyone needs to see that documentary. Good decent hard working Americans were killed by this and are being poisoned buy this as we speak. Whole areas of our west - and our national parks which were also opened to this by the GOP congress - now look like moonscapes.

It is now coming east and the GOP people are assuring their corporate masters that there will be no federal interventions. Do you see the big picture?

30 jaunte  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:56:03pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

"You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is."


The winning Republican in NY#24 has a lot of fracking corn pone:


'Fracking' Becomes Major Issue In New York's 24th District
According to Hanna's 2008 House financial disclosure form, which lists values in ranges, Hanna had from $1.6 million to $3.4 million of investments in oil companies at that time.
31 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:57:50pm

Four attempted sock puppet registrations today, by the way.

32 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:58:46pm

re: #15 LudwigVanQuixote

Have you seen this?
When arguing with ‘bots, use a ‘bot

33 freetoken  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:59:12pm

re: #23 SteveC

That is just one example of how people's concern for their near-term well being trumps long term good decisions.

For example, it has been shown that down in Louisiana, in the lower half of the state along the Mississippi river, where there are numerous petro-chemical plants (every thing from oil distillation to plastics and other petrochemicals), the rate of certain cancers among long term residents is significantly higher than in other parts of the country.

Yet, trying to get state and local governing bodies to more tightly control how companies dispose of their waste (not to mention emissions) has been quite the battle.

Much has been written on this over the years, documentaries made, etc.

People are afraid they will lose their jobs if they take too hard a stand against a private company.

This is why these sort of environmental and health issues are so hard to fight politically. The battle over AGW is not the first to face these hurdles.

Yet, as Ludwig pointed out earlier today, those who contributed least to the problem are those who will pay the most.

34 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 7:59:32pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Well then, what can be done to capture and burn that methane?

Well 1. nothing if you do it this way.

And 2. It really doesn't help much because burning methane still turns directly to CO2. As far as AGW is concerned, you really aren't buying anything except more billions wasted on infrastructure that will have to be eventually torn down in the place of actual solutions.

And th GOP knows this. With certain things too big to fail, a methane economy would be entrenched. The people who profit the most are of course people like the oil companies, who are also into natural gas. The people who are hurt the most are everyone on the planet.

I repeat. This is pure evil.

Watch the video.

35 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:00:14pm

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel

Have you seen this?
When arguing with ‘bots, use a ‘bot

This is brilliant.

36 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:00:30pm

re: #27 calochortus

There are a few glimmers of hope here and there. CA voters voted down Prop. 23 which would have delayed the implementation of the state's climate change legislation pretty much forever.

I voted "no" on that. Guess that makes my RINOhood official.
/

37 calochortus  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:02:16pm

re: #36 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, this former Republican thanks you.

38 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:02:30pm

re: #30 jaunte

The winning Republican in NY#24 has a lot of fracking corn pone:

The whole Great Lakes area saw a GOP surge. The Republicans picked up 4 Senate seats and gained House seats in every state on the lakes. Only in New York were the Democrats able to win the Senate races. But it is interesting that none of the Senate winners were Tea Party candidates. That's a point the GOP should reflect on.

39 SteveC  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:02:40pm

re: #25 prairiefire

What are the stats for West Virginia, if you have them at hand.

I do not know but will look for them.

There are "pockets" of high incidence spread out all over the US. Some seem to be totally random, some you can point at the (Whatever) and say "Ah-Ha!" For example, there is a "cluster" of Hypoplastic Left Heart Syndrome (HLHS) in Baltimore Maryland - practically in Johns Hopkins Hospital's back yard.

HLHS cluster

40 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:03:20pm

Here is the Gasland site.

[Link: gaslandthemovie.com...]

Please everyone look into this. This is a nightmare.

41 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:03:37pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

and result in lower emissions.

so you mean something can be done about politicians talking after all?

42 jaunte  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:04:27pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

I think a lot of voters paid much too high a price for some soon-to-be-forgotten promises of fiscal restraint.

43 Vambo  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:04:47pm

re: #21 albusteve

depends on who stands to profit...govt will not solve the problem, or even address it properly, that much we know already

Absolutely right, Republicans will not the solve the problem, nor address it properly, nor acknowledge that a problem exists. It's good to agree on things.

44 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:05:29pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

The whole Great Lakes area saw a GOP surge. The Republicans picked up 4 Senate seats and gained House seats in every state on the lakes. Only in New York were the Democrats able to win the Senate races. But it is interesting that none of the Senate winners were Tea Party candidates. That's a point the GOP should reflect on.

i'm interested, D_F, to know what non-crazy, non-tea-party GOP objectives you are hoping to see accomplished in the future

45 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:06:13pm

re: #34 LudwigVanQuixote

Well 1. nothing if you do it this way.

And 2. It really doesn't help much because burning methane still turns directly to CO2. As far as AGW is concerned, you really aren't buying anything except more billions wasted on infrastructure that will have to be eventually torn down in the place of actual solutions.

And th GOP knows this. With certain things too big to fail, a methane economy would be entrenched. The people who profit the most are of course people like the oil companies, who are also into natural gas. The people who are hurt the most are everyone on the planet.

I repeat. This is pure evil.

Watch the video.

But doesn't methane release less CO2 than coal? It still might be a better mid-term idea to use natural gas till more nuclear plants can be built.

46 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:06:32pm

re: #43 Vambo

Absolutely right, Republicans will not the solve the problem, nor address it properly, nor acknowledge that a problem exists. It's good to agree on things.

everything in partisan terms eh?...figures
where are the nukes? and what's been the holdup?

47 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:06:50pm

re: #41 engineer dog

so you mean something can be done about politicians talking after all?

Ha, ha, very funny. ;)

48 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:08:11pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

But doesn't methane release less CO2 than coal? It still might be a better mid-term idea to use natural gas till more nuclear plants can be built.

Or we could just start building the things that ork now - and it is a moot point, because the GOP are making certain that no one stops frakking and the shoddy way they get the gas now.

49 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:10:14pm

re: #44 engineer dog

i'm interested, D_F, to know what non-crazy, non-tea-party GOP objectives you are hoping to see accomplished in the future

Pro-business, pro-growth legislation. No "health care exchange"*
. Spending reform.

* Some parts of Obama plan, namely not allowing companies to disallow for pre-existing conditions, and the so-called "doughnut hole" do need to be retained.

50 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:10:57pm

re: #37 calochortus

There's good money to be made in that field, I figure, and who knows what kind of horizontal product lines (think major medical improvements from military science, or velcro and corning ware from space exploration) may be realized from focusing research in that area.

I'd like to see greater tax incentives for companies focusing their R&D in such directions.

51 DaddyLawBucks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:11:01pm

I see a glimmer of hope in the defeat of the "repeal environmental" (23) ballot measure here in California. Remember, this is generally a pretty conservative state outside of Los Angeles and the Bay Area.

52 Vambo  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:11:33pm

re: #46 albusteve

everything in partisan terms eh?...figures
where are the nukes? and what's been the holdup?

Partisan terms, you betcha: if the GOP has an especially fucked up policy, you can always throw your hands up and say "govt doesn't work anyway, so who cares". But you're not fooling anyone.

53 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:12:03pm

re: #48 LudwigVanQuixote

Or we could just start building the things that ork now - and it is a moot point, because the GOP are making certain that no one stops frakking and the shoddy way they get the gas now.

Well, we could still the GOP to favor new nuclear plants. They could be won over by showing how the plants will generate jobs.

54 Vambo  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:12:51pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Pro-business, pro-growth legislation. No "health care exchange"*
. Spending reform.

* Some parts of Obama plan, namely not allowing companies to disallow for pre-existing conditions, and the so-called "doughnut hole" do need to be retained.

Jobs & businesses won't be much use with no climate, no drinking water and nowhere to live.

55 calochortus  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:13:12pm

re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth

Seems eminently reasonable to me.

56 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:13:14pm

re: #51 daddylawbucks

I see a glimmer of hope in the defeat of the "repeal environmental" (23) ballot measure here in California. Remember, this is generally a pretty conservative state outside of Los Angeles and the Bay Area.

It was. Now its at the mercy of the public sector unions driving the no-longer-golden state into the ground.

57 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:13:41pm

re: #48 LudwigVanQuixote

Or we could just start building the things that ork now

I fucking knew you were Saruman, you tricky bastard!

58 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:14:05pm

Nuclear reactors could provide power almost indefinitely. Greenhouses could maintain plant life. Animals could be bred and slaughtered. A quick survey would have to be made of all the available mine sites in the country. But I would guess that dwelling space for several hundred thousands of our people could easily be provided. It would not be necessary to decide who stays up and who comes down. It could easily be accomplished with a computer. And a computer could be set and programmed to accept factors from youth, health, sexual fertility, intelligence, and a cross section of necessary skills. Of course it would be absolutely vital that our top government and military men be included to foster and impart the required principles of leadership and tradition. Naturally, they would breed prodigiously, eh? There would be much time, and little to do. But with the proper breeding techniques and a ratio of say, ten females to each male, I would guess that they could then work their way back to the present gross national product within say, twenty years.

/mein Fuhrer, I can WALK!

59 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:14:23pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Pro-business, pro-growth legislation. No "health care exchange"*
. Spending reform.

* Some parts of Obama plan, namely not allowing companies to disallow for pre-existing conditions, and the so-called "doughnut hole" do need to be retained.

Didn't Rove just make clear that pro-business, pro-growth means frakking and destroying American lives while doing irreparable damage to our environment.

Didn't the GOP just make clear that pro business and pro-growth means inquisitions against climate scientists and insuring that nothing gets done about that?

Didn't the GOP just explain that pro-business pro growth means staying dependent of foreign oil even as we approach peak oil, and any drilling we do here while not addressing that since oil is fungible and we really don't have that much, only means more profits for the oil sector?

Have you been paying attention?

60 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:14:40pm

re: #52 Vambo

Partisan terms, you betcha: if the GOP has an especially fucked up policy, you can always throw your hands up and say "govt doesn't work anyway, so who cares". But you're not fooling anyone.

what policy are you referring to?...I'm not trying to fool anyone...as for the ineptness of govt, that's pretty much irrefutable...I do not worship the feds, they are more often the problem than the solution

61 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:14:58pm

re: #39 SteveC

I think it is great how they get right in and tackle the congenital problems in the infants' heart. It seems the procedures for infants have become very advanced.

62 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:15:50pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Well, we could still the GOP to favor new nuclear plants. They could be won over by showing how the plants will generate jobs.

You are starting to piss me off. You could create millions of jobs and turn a profit within the first two years of operation - or less using wind alone. What in God's name makes you think they care about jobs?

This is about keeping their corporate masters even more wealthy.

How can you be so blind?

63 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:16:10pm

re: #59 LudwigVanQuixote

"Pro business" to the GOO means pro-THEIR business. so, oil. Not new business. Not emerging markets, not internet access. Not entrepreneurship, not small business. Oil.

64 calochortus  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:16:16pm

re: #58 negativ

Can we all see the Big Board?//

65 jaunte  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:16:19pm

The salt mine solution:

...a half-mile below the southern New Mexico desert, we are entering the only operating deep geologic nuclear waste disposal site in the world. The Department of Energy’s Waste Isolation Pilot Plant has been disposing of nuclear waste since 1999; its trucks have logged more than 7 million miles across the United States, bringing both low- and high-grade radioactive waste to the facility. In its decade of operation, WIPP has disposed of 95,000 loaded waste containers, the equivalent of 250,000 55-gallon drums, with no toxic releases to the environment or contaminated personnel
[Link: www.miller-mccune.com...]
66 DaddyLawBucks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:16:32pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

No, we are suffering from the lying dogs at the Jarvis (prop 13) tax mill that gave so much of our wealth to the big real estate firms. The anti-tax insanity here has made a cess-pool of what were formerly world class infrastructure, including our UC system, highways etc. I blame only the right wing insanity for our State's problems.

67 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:17:23pm

re: #65 jaunte

The salt mine solution:

Hey, I think I heard that is where Steve lives./

68 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:18:08pm

re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth

I fucking knew you were Saruman, you tricky bastard!

LOL typo of course. I meant building things that work!

69 jaunte  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:18:25pm

re: #67 prairiefire

Looks nice and roomy, but the climb out is tough.

70 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:19:04pm

re: #68 LudwigVanQuixote

I know, but I just can't let a good typo go to waste.

71 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:19:07pm

re: #59 LudwigVanQuixote

Didn't Rove just make clear that pro-business, pro-growth means frakking and destroying American lives while doing irreparable damage to our environment.

Didn't the GOP just make clear that pro business and pro-growth means inquisitions against climate scientists and insuring that nothing gets done about that?

Didn't the GOP just explain that pro-business pro growth means staying dependent of foreign oil even as we approach peak oil, and any drilling we do here while not addressing that since oil is fungible and we really don't have that much, only means more profits for the oil sector?

Have you been paying attention?

I'm glad I live in a town that treats mass transit and bicycles seriously, shame about the republican controlled parts of the country. I could give up my car forever and be just fine (as a car guy, it would make me sad though), a lot of people can't do that

Fuck the suburbs, in 60 years they'll be useless ruins

72 calochortus  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:20:37pm

re: #67 prairiefire

Nah, this is where he lives-safe from nuclear attack.

73 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:21:03pm

I Can Has Mo Atmosfear?

74 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:21:36pm

re: #34 LudwigVanQuixote

Well 1. nothing if you do it this way.

And 2. It really doesn't help much because burning methane still turns directly to CO2. As far as AGW is concerned, you really aren't buying anything except more billions wasted on infrastructure that will have to be eventually torn down in the place of actual solutions.

And th GOP knows this. With certain things too big to fail, a methane economy would be entrenched. The people who profit the most are of course people like the oil companies, who are also into natural gas. The people who are hurt the most are everyone on the planet.

I repeat. This is pure evil.

Watch the video.

Huh? Methane produces less CO2 per unit of energy than does coal. Burning methane instead of collecting wind/solar, or going nuclear, contributes to our problem. Burning methane instead of coal is not pure evil; it is, if you must insist, diluted evil.

As part of an overall strategy for transitioning to clean methods, natural gas is a sensible stopgap. We cannot, after all, just shut down all the coal fired generators tomorrow.

IN THE CONTEXT of a deal which ensures the dramatic growth of wind/solar/nuclear, some methane to tide us over might not be such a bad idea.

75 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:21:54pm

Pro-business, pro-growth legislation

considering that multinational corporations can spend millions upon millions of dollars through the lobbyists infecting the halls of congress, and that large business are experiencing very nice profits and growth right now even as the rest of us struggle with 10% unemployment into the indefinite future, i don't see where they require any more help

i would like to see pro-children, pro-ordinary-person, pro-employment legislation

76 Vambo  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:22:16pm

re: #60 albusteve

what policy are you referring to?...I'm not trying to fool anyone...as for the ineptness of govt, that's pretty much irrefutable...I do not worship the feds, they are more often the problem than the solution

Not exactly a policy, not yet anyway, but the GOP's upcoming War On Science.
It's good that you don't worship the Feds. They're inept and frequently incompetent, just like human beings, but I haven't given up on people... yet.

77 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:22:44pm

re: #65 jaunte

The salt mine solution:

nice...thanks for that

Nuclear waste disposal should not be the hurdle that keeps nuclear power from getting to the levels we need. The alternatives would be devastating economically and environmentally.” He sighs.
“You can make it an issue if you want to, but it’s all political.”

78 jaunte  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:24:41pm

re: #72 calochortus

Nah, this is where he lives-safe from nuclear attack.

Those people have a really wild site. Look at the array of possible threats in handy icon form:
[Link: www.terravivos.com...]

79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:24:44pm

Speaking of climate. I just got in. At the end of a weeks stay.

My hotel room is not exactly cold... but it is cool. My heating unit appears to be on the fritz. It is 11:21PM EST... hence my dilemma...

Should I call the front desk and have them move me (I really don't want to) or just put on extra blankies?

What do you think?

WWNHGD?
(nice hotel guest)

80 SteveC  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:24:45pm

re: #61 prairiefire

I think it is great how they get right in and tackle the congenital problems in the infants' heart. It seems the procedures for infants have become very advanced.

Children's Hospital of Boston is doing heart surgery while the baby is still in the womb in some cases.

Ain't. No. Way. You have got to have nerves of steel to even try something like that.

Surgery in the womb

81 DaddyLawBucks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:24:59pm

re: #72 calochortus

interesting that the shelter provides ".....abundant food and clothing storage...." does that mean bring your own food?

82 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:25:51pm

Too Many Puppies

Youtube Video

Namaste, y'all
83 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:27:04pm

re: #66 daddylawbucks

No, we are suffering from the lying dogs at the Jarvis (prop 13) tax mill that gave so much of our wealth to the big real estate firms. The anti-tax insanity here has made a cess-pool of what were formerly world class infrastructure, including our UC system, highways etc. I blame only the right wing insanity for our State's problems.

California collects a LOT of tax revenue. It's NOT that you don't squeeze your citizens hard enough. It's that you BLOW the money you do take in on $100K per year janitors, bus drivers, and retired paper-clip pushers. Or millions on retired police chiefs of small towns. Extravagant wages and benefits, pure waste, and boondoggles are your problem. Not taxes that, while higher than most of the country, somehow are not nearly high enough. If somehow you COULD double taxes on everyone, your problems would get worse, not better. Business already flees CA when possible. With that kind of a change in the tax law, the rest of the economy would follow.

You have an almost purely Democrat establishment. Every major office in the state, every major city, is run by Democrats. With sole authority goes sole responsibility. You, and you alone, have made this bed of nails for your people. You, and you alone, can step back from a spendthrift policy that has brought you to such a pass.

84 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:27:15pm

re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth

I fucking knew you were Saruman, you tricky bastard!

As to a post Tolkien assignment:

The orks are the teabags -stupid, easily led, foul tempered and devoid of basic goodness.

The Dems are the failed kings of Numenor - those who know the light of the West, but failed due to their own greed, weakness and corruption.

The scientists are the elves - a sad folk rich in lore whose time is passing.

The GOP politicians are the Nazgul - souless servants of the dark who were corrupted by their own love of power and desire to rule over men at any cost.

The GOP corporate masters are Sauron, Balrogs and other fallen maia - those who served a dark purpose to corrupt the creation of Illuvatar for their own selfish desires.

Many average Americans are Dwarves - hard working and honest, but greedy and not terribly bright.

Many other average Americans are hobbits - parochial, interested in only their own surroundings and comfort driven.

Fox news is the cloud of darkness and misery released by the Nazgul when they pass.

Beck is Gollum - OBVIOUSLY

As yet, we have no Gandalf. As yet no brave Hobbit or Dwarf has taken up the call to face the darkness. As yet, no true King of Numenor has found the courage to take the field.

85 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:29:15pm

re: #74 lostlakehiker

Huh? Read what I wrote. More methane is released than is captured by a very large ratio. It is sufficiently bad to offset any benefit from burning it over coal.

Even if it were done right, I wrote that something that kills you more slowly is not a particularly good solution. It still turns to CO2 when burnt.

86 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:29:23pm

re: #83 lostlakehiker

California collects a LOT of tax revenue. It's NOT that you don't squeeze your citizens hard enough. It's that you BLOW the money you do take in on $100K per year janitors, bus drivers, and retired paper-clip pushers. Or millions on retired police chiefs of small towns. Extravagant wages and benefits, pure waste, and boondoggles are your problem. Not taxes that, while higher than most of the country, somehow are not nearly high enough. If somehow you COULD double taxes on everyone, your problems would get worse, not better. Business already flees CA when possible. With that kind of a change in the tax law, the rest of the economy would follow.

You have an almost purely Democrat establishment. Every major office in the state, every major city, is run by Democrats. With sole authority goes sole responsibility. You, and you alone, have made this bed of nails for your people. You, and you alone, can step back from a spendthrift policy that has brought you to such a pass.

well said but forget it...it's a lost cause

87 calochortus  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:29:29pm

re: #78 jaunte

Those people have a really wild site. Look at the array of possible threats in handy icon form:
[Link: www.terravivos.com...]

Cool! Who knew there was a super-secret bunker under the Denver Airport for Important People. Sigh.

88 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:29:40pm

re: #83 lostlakehiker

Well, as long as they collect A LOT. I mean, they collect A LOT. How could there possibly be any argument for more taxes when they're already collecting A LOT.

Seriously, I know I've explained to you about ten times about the budgetary process in California, and yet you're still pretending that you don't know about it.

That's lame as hell.

89 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:30:03pm

re: #72 calochortus

Spooky nihilism.

90 calochortus  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:31:07pm

re: #83 lostlakehiker

re: #86 albusteve

Yes, do feel free to grossly oversimplify the problems. I'm not going to waste time discussing the less than simple way we got where we are.

91 DaddyLawBucks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:31:38pm

re: #83 lostlakehiker

Interesting, and how did you become an expert on California budget issues? Do you live here?

92 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:31:43pm

re: #88 Obdicut

Well, as long as they collect A LOT. I mean, they collect A LOT. How could there possibly be any argument for more taxes when they're already collecting A LOT.

Seriously, I know I've explained to you about ten times about the budgetary process in California, and yet you're still pretending that you don't know about it.

That's lame as hell.

really?...the proof is in the pudding
CA is in deep shit, thanks to the liberals and unions

93 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:32:24pm

Strangely enough some of the evangelical types are quite on board with taking care of planet; they call it "creation care."

I hope that strain grows.

94 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:32:34pm

re: #90 calochortus

re: #86 albusteve

Yes, do feel free to grossly oversimplify the problems. I'm not going to waste time discussing the less than simple way we got where we are.

it's all been bent before....foolhardy tripe

95 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:32:40pm

re: #75 engineer dog

Pro-business, pro-growth legislation

considering that multinational corporations can spend millions upon millions of dollars through the lobbyists infecting the halls of congress, and that large business are experiencing very nice profits and growth right now even as the rest of us struggle with 10% unemployment into the indefinite future, i don't see where they require any more help

i would like to see pro-children, pro-ordinary-person, pro-employment legislation

That would be a party that actually serves the people.

96 Vambo  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:32:52pm

re: #92 albusteve

really?...the proof is in the pudding
CA is in deep shit, thanks to the liberals and unions

and gay marriage./

97 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:33:01pm

re: #92 albusteve

Oh, those liberals and unions are just so terrible and bad. No states have deficits except those with liberals and unions around. QED.

98 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:33:50pm

re: #71 WindUpBird

I'm glad I live in a town that treats mass transit and bicycles seriously, shame about the republican controlled parts of the country. I could give up my car forever and be just fine (as a car guy, it would make me sad though), a lot of people can't do that

Fuck the suburbs, in 60 years they'll be useless ruins

In 60 years they'll be going just fine, with people telecommuting, with jobs having followed people out to the suburbs, and with all-electric cars backed up by wind-generated electricity. Plus some solar. The cars will drive themselves. They'll pretty much never have accidents, and they'll be eggshell thin constructs mostly made of carbon fiber.

You're such a pessimist.

99 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:34:36pm

re: #97 Obdicut

Oh, those liberals and unions are just so terrible and bad. No states have deficits except those with liberals and unions around. QED.

it's just TOO COMPLICATED for ordinary people to understand!

100 Ron Paul  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:34:43pm

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
call them and get moved, they should be delighted to make Your stay comfortable.

101 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:34:46pm

re: #80 SteveC

That's fantastic. Your writing style makes the history very clear.

102 DaddyLawBucks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:35:02pm

re: #96 Vambo

don't forget the LESBIANS

103 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:35:54pm

re: #98 lostlakehiker

Wind powered commuters.

104 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:35:55pm

re: #102 daddylawbucks


And all that terrible REGULATION that strangles BUSINESS.

I really miss California. New York is cool, but man, I miss it.

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:36:11pm

re: #100 Ron Paul

Thanks Uncle Ron; but, I think I've decided to stick it out. These folks are so very kind to me. Not gonna cause them the headache. I'll report it in the morning.

106 calochortus  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:36:29pm

re: #92 albusteve

really?...the proof is in the pudding
CA is in deep shit, thanks to the liberals and unions

According to Bloomsberg, Arizona is in worse shape with all their raging liberals. Oh wait...

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:36:33pm

re: #80 SteveC

Children's Hospital of Boston is doing heart surgery while the baby is still in the womb in some cases.

Ain't. No. Way. You have got to have nerves of steel to even try something like that.

Surgery in the womb

I would pass out cold, but then again, there's a reason why the surgeons make the big bucks.

108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:36:48pm

re: #87 calochortus

Cool! Who knew there was a super-secret bunker under the Denver Airport for Important People. Sigh.

That secret bunker is occupied by Charles and Stinky.

109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:37:02pm

re: #103 Ojoe

Wonder how many people were killed by one of those blind spots.

110 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:37:05pm

re: #95 LudwigVanQuixote

That would be a party that actually serves the people.

unfortunately, ordinary people seem to be unable to afford much influence in washington these days...

111 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:37:08pm

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

Huh? Read what I wrote. More methane is released than is captured by a very large ratio. It is sufficiently bad to offset any benefit from burning it over coal.

Even if it were done right, I wrote that something that kills you more slowly is not a particularly good solution. It still turns to CO2 when burnt.

I missed the part about methane release. That's bad, because methane is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2 by a wide margin.

But while we're talking about reading, note that I didn't and do not call methane a solution. I call it a stopgap. It's methadone, where coal is heroin. Of course we can't use it as a long term main source fuel.

112 calochortus  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:37:31pm

re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth

Even better. I can sleep soundly now.

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:37:34pm

re: #91 daddylawbucks

Interesting, and how did you become an expert on California budget issues? Do you live here?

Everyone is an expert on California budgetary issues here. You'll get used to it.

It's mostly the unions, you see.

//

114 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:37:53pm

re: #71 WindUpBird

Arlington, Texas has, without question, the shittiest traffic in the entire DFW metroplex. Every damned time some poor naive soul brings even a modest public transportation proposal to a vote, the dipshit voters treat it like it was calling for mandatory infanticide. Heaven forfend that their taxes should increase by 43 cents per year. But these same idiots couldn't get to the polls fast enough to vote in a tax increase to help billionaire Jerry Jones build a new playground.

Originally estimated to cost $650 million, the stadium's current construction cost was $1.15 billion, making it one of the most expensive sports venues ever built. To aid Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones in paying the construction costs of the new stadium, Arlington voters approved the increase of the city's sales tax by 0.5 percent, the hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. The City of Arlington provided over $325 million (including interest) in bonds as funding, and Jones covered any cost overruns.

With added eminent domain bonus!

The Arlington City Council is expected to authorize on Tuesday eminent domain proceedings against as many as 19 properties needed for a new Dallas Cowboys stadium and approve resolutions paving the way for 33 more condemnations in the coming weeks.

Mayor Robert Cluck said the properties are owned by individuals who are either unwilling to sell or are demanding an unreasonable price for their homes or lots. Some have not responded to the city's offers, he said, and a few would not allow city negotiators on their property.

"If they can't make reasonable counteroffers," Dr. Cluck said, "we have to use this tool."

What could be more American than forcing people out of their homes so that they can be demolished to make way for a hyperspace bypass football stadium?

Oh, and the good news is that Arlington taxpayers can expect to break even on their investment in as few as 20 years, as opposed to the 30 years originally projected.

115 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:38:47pm

re: #92 albusteve

really?...the proof is in the pudding
CA is in deep shit, thanks to the liberals and unions

maybe some of those republican run states could help us improve our world famous software, electronics, entertainment, and agricultural industries

116 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:38:49pm

re: #91 daddylawbucks

Interesting, and how did you become an expert on California budget issues? Do you live here?

I have close family that live there. Besides, who needs to be an expert to see the basic outlines of the situation. I can diagnose the same malady in Greece, and so can you. A cursory reading of the news is sufficient.

117 DaddyLawBucks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:39:05pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

Ahhhh...now I see more clearly.......thank you!

118 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:39:18pm

re: #84 LudwigVanQuixote

Favorited.

119 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:39:26pm

re: #114 negativ

Arlington, Texas has, without question, the shittiest traffic in the entire DFW metroplex. Every damned time some poor naive soul brings even a modest public transportation proposal to a vote, the dipshit voters treat it like it was calling for mandatory infanticide. Heaven forfend that their taxes should increase by 43 cents per year. But these same idiots couldn't get to the polls fast enough to vote in a tax increase to help billionaire Jerry Jones build a new playground.

With added eminent domain bonus!

What could be more American than forcing people out of their homes so that they can be demolished to make way for a hyperspace bypass football stadium?

Oh, and the good news is that Arlington taxpayers can expect to break even on their investment in as few as 20 years, as opposed to the 30 years originally projected.

and for their trouble they get a 1-6 team

120 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:40:01pm

re: #116 lostlakehiker

Yeah, why bother paying attention to the budgetary process after it gets explained to you. It's so much fucking easier to blame unions and liberals. That doesn't strain the brain, and then you're free to babble about businesses fleeing California.

121 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:40:14pm

Final nail in coffin for Net neutrality?

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Before Tuesday's midterm elections, there were 95 House and Senate candidates who pledged support for Net neutrality, a bill that would force Internet providers to not charge users more for certain kinds of Web content.

All of them lost -- and that could mean the contentious proposal may now be all but dead.

The Federal Communications Commission tried to implement Net neutrality rules but got smacked down in April by a court ruling saying it did not have the authority to do so. As a result, it is preparing a proposal asking Congress to give it new authority to regulate broadband Internet service.

122 jaunte  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:41:18pm

re: #114 negativ

Oh, and the good news is that Arlington taxpayers can expect to break even on their investment in as few as 20 years, as opposed to the 30 years originally projected.


Slightly used Astrodome for sale. Some historical value, first of its kind, site of filming of Brewster McCloud. Serious inquiries only to Leo Vasquez, Harris County Tax Office.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:41:49pm

re: #117 daddylawbucks

Ahhh...now I see more clearly...thank you!

Wait till you hear how we will eventually have to cut our lavish 'entitlement' programs, and then the poor will riot in the streets.

124 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:42:11pm

re: #115 engineer dog

maybe some of those republican run states could help us improve our world famous software, electronics, entertainment, and agricultural industries

entertainment?
bwahahaha!
as for the Sac River, has it been opened to the farmers again?...
better get some nukes online out there, before you all die of thirst....
CA can't even figure out how to wash their cars....pathetic

125 DaddyLawBucks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:42:44pm

re: #116 lostlakehiker

So the fact that we have a Republican governor (and did most of the last three decades, you do remember Ronnie Ray-Gunz?) means nothing? Nor that our legislature is in a strangle hold from ultra-right wing representatives from their gerimandered "safe" districts, neither of those mean anything? Just the Unions, liberal (and of course the Lesbians)? Are you trying to act silly or do you just have your head completely inserted in your rectal cavity?

126 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:42:51pm

re: #119 albusteve

and for their trouble they get a 1-6 team

Karma?

127 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:43:01pm

re: #120 Obdicut

Yeah, why bother paying attention to the budgetary process after it gets explained to you. It's so much fucking easier to blame unions and liberals. That doesn't strain the brain, and then you're free to babble about businesses fleeing California.

blah blah
give it some effort dude

128 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:43:41pm

re: #125 daddylawbucks

I've explained this to him multiple times. He doesn't care.

129 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:43:56pm

re: #126 wlewisiii

Karma?

whatever...
they don't run, stop, tackle or pass
dismal

130 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:44:10pm

re: #125 daddylawbucks

He also thinks Franken stole the election.

131 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:45:18pm

re: #124 albusteve

entertainment?
bwahahaha!
as for the Sac River, has it been opened to the farmers again?...
better get some nukes online out there, before you all die of thirst...
CA can't even figure out how to wash their cars...pathetic

...he says as he watches tv and movies made in california everyday of the week, typing on a computer designed in california using software made in california

so, tell me - what do i use from your state?

132 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:46:21pm

how much money does CA owe the unions in unfunded mandate contracts?...anybody know

133 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:47:05pm

re: #124 albusteve

entertainment?
bwahahaha!
as for the Sac River, has it been opened to the farmers again?...
better get some nukes online out there, before you all die of thirst...
CA can't even figure out how to wash their cars...pathetic

Yes, clearly drought that requires politicians to choose between farming and fishing interests is something that only happens to liberals.

134 Vambo  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:47:08pm

re: #127 albusteve

blah blah
give it some effort dude

Image: Keep%20on%20Trollin.jpg

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:47:34pm

re: #125 daddylawbucks

So the fact that we have a Republican governor (and did most of the last three decades, you do remember Ronnie Ray-Gunz?) means nothing? Nor that our legislature is in a strangle hold from ultra-right wing representatives from their gerimandered "safe" districts, neither of those mean anything? Just the Unions, liberal (and of course the Lesbians)? Are you trying to act silly or do you just have your head completely inserted in your rectal cavity?

It's an article of faith.

136 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:47:41pm

re: #134 Vambo

Image: Keep%20on%20Trollin.jpg

haha!
an old one for sure

137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:47:53pm

re: #131 engineer dog

using software made in california

More likely Washington, but whatever.

138 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:48:50pm

re: #132 albusteve

how much money does CA owe the unions in unfunded mandate contracts?...anybody know

more to the point, does anybody care?

139 albusteve  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:49:04pm

gotta scoot
rock on brothers and sisters....
and thanks

140 Ron Paul  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:49:06pm

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
happened to me once, I rolled up in the covers from both beds like a big taco. Broke hotel rule #1, never touch the bedspread.

141 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:50:23pm

re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth

Oracle is in Redwood Shores, California, and they do Java.

142 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:50:44pm

re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth

More likely Washington, but whatever.

microsoft is in washington, but they have a lot of installations down here

most of your other widely used software is made right here. i used to work right next door to google in mountain view

143 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:50:58pm

Not this again.

144 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:51:59pm

re: #142 engineer dog

Nah, they just call it Silicon Valley because its really sandy there.

145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:52:07pm

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

The lack of water for farming in the CV is fucked. Lot's of fields gone fallow, and lot's of people out of work. Ipso facto, dems who vote against sending water our way are objectively anti-immigrant./

146 SteveC  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:52:51pm

re: #114 negativ

But these same idiots couldn't get to the polls fast enough to vote in a tax increase to help billionaire Jerry Jones build a new playground.

The Society for American Baseball Research (SABR) has done studies of new baseball stadiums and determined that very few jobs are generated by a new stadium. The construction jobs are obviously temporary; after construction is finished most new jobs will be low paying concession workers; and the tourism benefits to the community are limited.

SABR hints that if the owner pulls the old "Build us a stadium or we'll move!" trick, the best idea could very well be to help them pack.

147 DaddyLawBucks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:54:14pm

without checking this month, on most days, if we were to leave the USA, poor union California would be the 7th industrial nation on earth, behind Japan, Germany, England, France and China (and the rest of the USA) and ahead of everyone else, and that WITH our unions, liberals & all.

148 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:54:50pm

re: #141 Obdicut

Oracle is in Redwood Shores, California, and they do Java.

Who has an OS that runs on Java?
/Yeah, I've seen Larry Ellison's pink Mig take off from the little airport nearby several times.

149 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:55:42pm

re: #148 Slumbering Behemoth

There's more to software than just OS's.

150 DaddyLawBucks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:56:39pm

re: #144 Obdicut

I thought it was because of Carol Doda years ago? Opps.

151 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:56:45pm

re: #121 Slumbering Behemoth

Final nail in coffin for Net neutrality?

Why is it so hard for people to understand that Net Neturality IS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW?

Behold the post-neutrality future.

152 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:56:54pm

re: #148 Slumbering Behemoth

Who has an OS that runs on Java?
/Yeah, I've seen Larry Ellison's pink Mig take off from the little airport nearby several times.

java runs on windows as well as unixes and other os's. i've done a lot of windows applications using sun's java vm, now owned by oracle

153 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:58:05pm

re: #151 negativ

I honestly don't think they'll be able to end net neutrality. It'd tank our economy over-fucking-night.

154 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:58:16pm

re: #116 lostlakehiker

I have close family that live there. Besides, who needs to be an expert to see the basic outlines of the situation. I can diagnose the same malady in Greece, and so can you. A cursory reading of the news is sufficient.


this means absolutely nothing. You don't seem to have any idea of what you're talking about

155 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:58:18pm

re: #149 Obdicut

re: #152 engineer dog

I hate both of you. Fuck Java.
/

156 SteveC  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:58:28pm

re: #149 Obdicut

There's more to software than just OS's.

My 975 gigabyte ultra fast Apple PC with twin pots, a Columbia Clutch, and four on the floor informs me it is midnight.

Night all!

157 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:58:36pm

re: #75 engineer dog

i would like to see pro-children, pro-ordinary-person, pro-employment legislation

The phrase "jobless recovery" really frosts me.

158 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:59:01pm

re: #138 engineer dog

more to the point, does anybody care?

Many people. Deeply.

Seriously, I gave up on this fight a long time ago. It's entirely pointless, and since I get to live in California and be very happy...well.

159 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 8:59:45pm

re: #153 Obdicut

I honestly don't think they'll be able to end net neutrality. It'd tank our economy over-fucking-night.

As long as Rove and his cronies have theirs, why should they bother with a point so trivial as that?

160 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:00:09pm

re: #153 Obdicut

I honestly don't think they'll be able to end net neutrality. It'd tank our economy over-fucking-night.

I figured what would happen if net neutrality loses out, is that the net would stay neutral to the casual eye, but there'd basically be a digital HOV lane for those who have the money to throw around, so companies that want to stream movies or whatnot get extra speed

So there's normal internet net and then there's SUPER MEGA PREFERRED internet

I may be too optimistic

161 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:02:29pm

re: #142 engineer dog

microsoft is in washington, but they have a lot of installations down here

most of your other widely used software is made right here. i used to work right next door to google in mountain view

and never midn th fact that the software we use without even knowing it, middleware for websites, middleware for digital content distribution, search engines, all that stuff, all bay area

and we haven't even gotten to all the game developers in California

162 efuseakay  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:02:43pm

I think he's a fracking Cylon. :)

163 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:03:42pm

re: #153 Obdicut

I honestly don't think they'll be able to end net neutrality. It'd tank our economy over-fucking-night.

I'd like to hope you're right, but I also suspect that probably the vast majority of people in office, whether (D) or (R), haven't the wispiest ghost of a clue how the Internet works.

164 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:03:52pm

Case in point... the Oracle campus is right next door to the Electronic Arts campus. You can't be that close to such digital evil and not have it rub off on you.
/

165 calochortus  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:04:56pm

Its been fun, but I think I've had enough "evil CA liberals" chat for one night.

'Night, all.

166 DaddyLawBucks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:05:10pm

re: #161 WindUpBird

Don't forget that those un-glamorous farmers all up and down 99 bring in more money than all the manufacturing and movies combined.

167 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:05:11pm

re: #161 WindUpBird

and never midn th fact that the software we use without even knowing it, middleware for websites, middleware for digital content distribution, search engines, all that stuff, all bay area

and we haven't even gotten to all the game developers in California

the really hard core game developers impress the hell out of me. inventing sophisticated new analytic geometry algorithms on a slow afternoon. i feel extra dumb just talking to them

168 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:05:29pm

re: #163 negativ

I'd like to hope you're right, but I also suspect that probably the vast majority of people in office, whether (D) or (R), haven't the wispiest ghost of a clue how the Internet works.

yes :(

169 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:06:01pm

re: #163 negativ

I'd like to hope you're right, but I also suspect that probably the vast majority of people in office, whether (D) or (R), haven't the wispiest ghost of a clue how the Internet works.

Of course they do :P

170 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:06:08pm

re: #163 negativ

But the corporate lackeys do. And it's not in the favor of any corporation other than the ones that own the largest ISPs and other such stuff that would benefit. Every other company would be hurt by it.

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:06:12pm

re: #166 daddylawbucks

Don't forget that those un-glamorous farmers all up and down 99 bring in more money than all the manufacturing and movies combined.

I'm talking about net infrastructure more than raw dollars, but yes, absolutely true

172 jaunte  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:06:20pm

Ars.TV science video contest:

"Your mission (should you choose to accept it) is to use video to explain a scientific concept in terms that a high school science class would not only understand, but actually be interested in watching. The videos must be short (less than three minutes long) and should take advantage of the medium."
[Link: arstechnica.com...]
173 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:07:05pm

LOLOLOLOLOL

Obama is going to India on 200 million a day along with 10% of the Navy?

LOLOLOLOLOL

174 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:07:11pm

re: #167 engineer dog

the really hard core game developers impress the hell out of me. inventing sophisticated new analytic geometry algorithms on a slow afternoon. i feel extra dumb just talking to them

I read interviews with John Carmack that I honestly couldn't even believe were in the same language, that guy is operating in a completely different realm

175 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:07:44pm

re: #166 daddylawbucks

Bread Basket of the World, baby!

176 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:08:17pm

re: #173 Varek Raith

I hear he just said "Fuck it" and decided to invade while he's there.

Or it was that he bought India. One or the other. You know how he is when he's been at the Korbel.

/

177 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:09:27pm

re: #176 Obdicut

I hear he just said "Fuck it" and decided to invade while he's there.

Or it was that he bought India. One or the other. You know how he is when he's been at the Korbel.

/

I mean...
This has got to be the funnest shit I've heard...
XD

178 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:11:37pm

re: #170 Obdicut

But the corporate lackeys do. And it's not in the favor of any corporation other than the ones that own the largest ISPs and other such stuff that would benefit. Every other company would be hurt by it.

echo $sadface

179 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:12:15pm

re: #155 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #152 engineer dog

I hate both of you. Fuck Java.
/

Java exists only to make good computers run slowly.

/ well, only half. I notice that Apple wants out of supplying the VM for OS X, btw.

OTOH, I have my SGI Octane2 up and running. Dual R12000's and a gig of ram and probably cost more than my house did when new :eek: I got the bits for the gas to pick them up :D

180 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:14:37pm

re: #179 wlewisiii

Java exists only to make good computers run slowly.

/ well, only half. I notice that Apple wants out of supplying the VM for OS X, btw.

OTOH, I have my SGI Octane2 up and running. Dual R12000's and a gig of ram and probably cost more than my house did when new :eek: I got the bits for the gas to pick them up :D

oh awesome :D

I wonder where all those NeXT boxes are these days

181 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:15:53pm

re: #173 Varek Raith

LOLOLOLOLOL

Obama is going to India on 200 million a day along with 10% of the Navy?

LOLOLOLOLOL

Somebody has to check up on all the jobs we shipped over there.

182 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:17:39pm

re: #180 WindUpBird

oh awesome :D

I wonder where all those NeXT boxes are these days

Last one I saw was at St Vinnies for $5.00. 25mhz 68030 & 8mb ram.

I ran NextStep 3.3 on an IBM Thinkpad instead. P133 & 64mb. Much better. I nursed it along until OS X shipped. ;)

183 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:18:54pm

re: #182 wlewisiii

Last one I saw was at St Vinnies for $5.00. 25mhz 68030 & 8mb ram.

I ran NextStep 3.3 on an IBM Thinkpad instead. P133 & 64mb. Much better. I nursed it along until OS X shipped. ;)

nice :D :D

There was a brief time when i was running OS/2 in college! That's my only claim to fame for bizarro operating systems, unless you count the Atari 1040ST I had as a kid! GEM OS

184 jaunte  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:18:55pm

re: #173 Varek Raith

LOLOLOLOLOL

Obama is going to India on 200 million a day along with 10% of the Navy?

LOLOLOLOLOL

Allahpundit sez: "Note to self: Don’t trust Indian media."

Yeah, like that's the problem.

185 Mich-again  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:18:59pm

I'm not quite seeing the direct connection between fracking in Pennsylvania and the impending climate doom that will result from it. What this new process will do will increase the American production of oil. Will that lead to higher consumption by Americans? hmm. Interesting querstion. Oil is a global commodity and customers around the globe buy it from the same pool. If the USA increase production a bit, it will add to the supply base, and I suppose you could say it will help hold down the price in light of rising demand from the developing nations and that would lead to higher consumption or at least less of a decrease in consumption. And if you truncate the analysis right there I guess you could extrapolate all the way out and say that any more oil from Pennsylvania will result in the extermination of the human species. But if that logic holds, then why should we keep drilling anywhere in the USA? Why not shut it all down now and save humanity. If more oil is bad, than less oil must be good.

I think thats half baked analysis. Its makes more sense to increase American production of oil, thereby reducing foreign depency for oil, and use the expanded tax base from the growing industry and economy that benefits from cheaper energy to invest in a new infrastructure and renewable energy and work to kick the oil habit once and for all. The idea we can save the planet by squeezing the life out of the economy by making energy cost prohibitive is not a viable long term strategy. We're going to have to grow to be strong enough to fix it.

186 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:19:18pm

re: #181 negativ

Somebody has to check up on all the jobs we shipped over there.

Seriously. This outsourcing bullshit is getting ridiculous.

187 freetoken  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:22:19pm

re: #185 Mich-again

"Fracking" that is the discussion of what is happening wrt water pollution and methane release is from natural gas wells, not oil wells. Petroleum wells may also "fracture" but that is not really what is being discussed here.

188 freetoken  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:24:27pm

And, btw, we now have a glut of natural gas on the US market.

189 DaddyLawBucks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:24:46pm

have a good evening Lizzards! see you'll tomorrow

190 jaunte  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:26:14pm

Short-Term Energy and Winter Fuels Outlook

EIA projects average household expenditures for space-heating fuels will total $986 this winter.

EIA expects households heating primarily with natural gas to spend an average of $27 (4 percent) more this winter. About 52 percent of all U.S. households depend on natural gas as their primary heating fuel. The 4-percent increase in natural gas expenditures reflects a 6-percent increase in prices and a 2-percent decrease in consumption.
[Link: www.eia.doe.gov...]

191 Kragar  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:27:29pm

Is it wrong to really, really want a zombie outbreak to happen just to be done with this kind of shit?

192 Lidane  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:28:55pm

Completely OT, but a friend just shared this on Facebook and I figured we could use a bit of levity around here:

‎1. Go to Google Maps.
2. Go to "Get Directions."
3. Type Japan as the start location.
4. Type China as the end location.
5. Go to direction #43.
6. Laugh.

:)

193 jaunte  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:31:05pm

re: #192 Lidane

"Your search for jet ski rentals near Kagoshima did not match any locations."

194 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:32:13pm

re: #191 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is it wrong to really, really want a zombie outbreak to happen just to be done with this kind of shit?

C'mon, just admit it. You're not interested in "being done" with any shit, you just want the world to be your own private zombie shooting gallery.
/see you there

195 Kragar  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:34:46pm

re: #194 Slumbering Behemoth

C'mon, just admit it. You're not interested in "being done" with any shit, you just want the world to be your own private zombie shooting gallery.
/see you there

Shooting is not the way to go in a zombie apocalypse. Machete and Lucerne Hammer for the win

196 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:35:37pm

re: #185 Mich-again

I'm not quite seeing the direct connection between fracking in Pennsylvania and the impending climate doom that will result from it. What this new process will do will increase the American production of oil. Will that lead to higher consumption by Americans? hmm. Interesting querstion. Oil is a global commodity and customers around the globe buy it from the same pool. If the USA increase production a bit, it will add to the supply base, and I suppose you could say it will help hold down the price in light of rising demand from the developing nations and that would lead to higher consumption or at least less of a decrease in consumption. And if you truncate the analysis right there I guess you could extrapolate all the way out and say that any more oil from Pennsylvania will result in the extermination of the human species. But if that logic holds, then why should we keep drilling anywhere in the USA? Why not shut it all down now and save humanity. If more oil is bad, than less oil must be good.

I think thats half baked analysis. Its makes more sense to increase American production of oil, thereby reducing foreign depency for oil, and use the expanded tax base from the growing industry and economy that benefits from cheaper energy to invest in a new infrastructure and renewable energy and work to kick the oil habit once and for all. The idea we can save the planet by squeezing the life out of the economy by making energy cost prohibitive is not a viable long term strategy. We're going to have to grow to be strong enough to fix it.

Here's where that pesky science comes in to interfere with things again. "Oil" is not a universally homogenous substance.

Read about petrolium here.

Each of those types requires different processes for extraction, transportation, and refinement into something useful. All those factors have different and significant environmental and economic ramifications. That's part of the reason why the stuff you get when you Drill Baby Drill isn't the same as what you get when you buy it from the kingdom of Saud.

197 Ron Paul  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:35:55pm

re: #192 Lidane
I tried a shortcut through Korea, it saved 1500 Km.
but it added 5 years to the trip in a Nork prison.

198 Mich-again  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:36:29pm

re: #187 freetoken

Here is some "propaganda" from the oil industry about how horizontal drilling works and how its safe to the underground water supplies. I'm guessing it doesn't always go so smooth as they show in the film. It doesn't get into details about how much fresh water is spent in the process, and that could be a huge impact, especially as fresh water eventually becomes as precious as oil.. I guess if the gas is used to eliminate coal as a source for power its a net drop in CO2 emissions, but that doesn't mean its an overall net benefit. [Link: www.northernoil.com...]

199 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:39:20pm

re: #191 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is it wrong to really, really want a zombie outbreak to happen just to be done with this kind of shit?

Not at all. I gleefully support your zombie apocalypse while doing everything in my power to bring about the robot uprising.

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:40:46pm

Day 4 of NANOWRIMO, and still on schedule!

201 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:40:54pm

re: #191 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is it wrong to really, really want a zombie outbreak to happen just to be done with this kind of shit?

Yes.

202 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:41:45pm

re: #195 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Shooting is not the way to go in a zombie apocalypse. Machete and Lucerne Hammer for the win

Fine, have it your way. And when you're covered in gore and various zombie fluids, I will take aim on you as well. As an act of mercy, of course.
/

203 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:41:57pm

re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist

Day 4 of NANOWRIMO, and still on schedule!

NANOWRIMO?

204 Lidane  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:41:58pm

re: #193 jaunte

"Your search for jet ski rentals near Kagoshima did not match any locations."

Heh. Did Google tell you that?

205 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:42:45pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

NANOWRIMO?

National Novel-Writing Month. The challenge is to write a 50,000-word first draft of a novel from scratch in 30 days.

They have a website, and forums, and nifty word-count trackers to keep you going.

206 Kragar  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:42:49pm

re: #199 negativ

Not at all. I gleefully support your zombie apocalypse while doing everything in my power to bring about the robot uprising.

Would now be a good time to talk about the story I've been working on with my brother where a zombie outbreak comes about due to a fault in nanotech medical technology? Zombies who communicate via wifi, certain intelligent specimens able to tap into security cameras and networks. Nanites force the host to eat flesh as building blocks to rebuild damaged tissue.

207 Lidane  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:43:30pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

NANOWRIMO?

National Novel Writing Month -- it's a yearly fiction writing challenge to write something like 50,000 words of original fiction in thirty days.

208 Kragar  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:43:55pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

Yes.

How about just Karl Rove locked in a mall surrounded by them?

209 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:44:43pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

NANOWRIMO?

North American Nanite Operatives Warring Right In My Office.
/or Orifice, as it were...

210 jaunte  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:44:47pm

re: #206 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

High-Tech Soldier Suit, Crawling Back From the Dead

211 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:45:04pm

re: #208 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How about just Karl Rove locked in a mall surrounded by them?

I like that, he certainly could feed a lot of zombies.

212 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:45:21pm

re: #195 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Shooting is not the way to go in a zombie apocalypse. Machete and Lucerne Hammer for the win

If you get within arm's length of more than one of the infected, you're done. Distance is time, and time is life.

213 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:46:20pm

re: #208 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How about just Karl Rove locked in a mall surrounded by them?

Too late, ABD.
/Oops, sorry. That's Cheney, not Rove.

214 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:47:52pm

re: #208 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How about just Karl Rove locked in a mall surrounded by them?

He's so clever he'd be leading them instead being eaten. He'd promote his zombie voters as a counter to the graveyard voters of Chicago.

/

215 Kragar  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:48:41pm

re: #212 negativ

If you get within arm's length of more than one of the infected, you're done. Distance is time, and time is life.

And with every shot, you announce your position to every other zombie in range. Pick an elevated station and just let a heavy object and gravity do it for you. A lucerne hammer gives you a nice heavy hammer spike on a 8'-10' pole and swing down.

216 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:52:01pm

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And with every shot, you announce your position to every other zombie in range. Pick an elevated station and just let a heavy object and gravity do it for you. A lucerne hammer gives you a nice heavy hammer spike on a 8'-10' pole and swing down.

Simple solution: learn how to make a sound suppressor.

217 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:52:19pm

re: #211 LudwigVanQuixote

ALERT: Ineffective partisan slam.
CITATION: Zombies eat brains.
VIOLATION: Crediting Rove with an abundance of brains.

218 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:55:17pm

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And with every shot, you announce your position to every other zombie in range. Pick an elevated station and just let a heavy object and gravity do it for you. A lucerne hammer gives you a nice heavy hammer spike on a 8'-10' pole and swing down.

But how long can you keep that up before you become exhausted? Suppose you can't find an elevated station. You need to be mobile. A lucerne hammer like you propose precludes agile mobility.

219 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:57:07pm

re: #217 Slumbering Behemoth

ALERT: Ineffective partisan slam.
CITATION: Zombies eat brains.
VIOLATION: Crediting Rove with an abundance of brains.

He sure isn't stupid. He's proven effective at devising winning election campaigns and that takes intelligence.

220 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:58:06pm

re: #195 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Shooting is not the way to go in a zombie apocalypse. Machete and Lucerne Hammer for the win

Nah, have Kragar as you r bodyguard!
LOL!

221 Kragar  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:58:36pm

re: #218 negativ

But how long can you keep that up before you become exhausted? Suppose you can't find an elevated station. You need to be mobile. A lucerne hammer like you propose precludes agile mobility.

Its not like they're going anywhere. You pick a location, set up a schedule, kill zombies for x hours each day, read a book, eat dinner, clean up the bodies, etc.

222 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 10:00:18pm

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

Just making jokes, bro. No real investment on my part here.

223 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 10:05:30pm

I wish I hadn't had to learn this.
But, this is a link to the most reliable information I have found on Oil, Gas & Mineral rights
including fracking

[Link: geology.com...]

224 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 10:07:11pm

I do believe I have reached the end of the internets, or at least come close. W.T.F.

225 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 10:11:49pm

re: #223 Floral Giraffe

I wish I hadn't had to learn this.
But, this is a link to the most reliable information I have found on Oil, Gas & Mineral rights
including fracking

[Link: geology.com...]

Good find, Floral.

226 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 10:13:52pm

re: #224 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

It's got an amazing amount of linked information.
INCREDIBLE resource.
I wish I hadn't needed to learn this stuff.
Go figure!

227 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 10:22:43pm

re: #221 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its not like they're going anywhere. You pick a location, set up a schedule, kill zombies for x hours each day, read a book, eat dinner, clean up the bodies, etc.

Oh, I see now. You're one of those who thinks the infected are blind, lumbering husks with no trace of their former human intelligence.

Four separate 5-man Navy SEAL fire teams all thought the same, and there wasn't enough of any them left to ship home.

Nevertheless, I'll add a page to the time capsule journal just on the basis of your unmitigated audacity.

228 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 10:25:39pm

Goodnight, all.

229 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 10:28:54pm

re: #227 negativ

There it is, lizards and lizardettes, writ large. Negativ is objectively pro-zombie, and anti-America. I hope you're proud of yourself.
/

230 Kragar  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 10:34:11pm

re: #227 negativ

Oh, I see now. You're one of those who thinks the infected are blind, lumbering husks with no trace of their former human intelligence.

Four separate 5-man Navy SEAL fire teams all thought the same, and there wasn't enough of any them left to ship home.

Nevertheless, I'll add a page to the time capsule journal just on the basis of your unmitigated audacity.

Great, another liberal pinko zombie hugging "they were people once" commie.

231 I Am Kreniigh!  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 10:38:26pm

A depressing thought experiment:

Imagine that you are super-rich. And very smart, and not encumbered by religious biases. You understand all the science, all the sociology, all of the historical tides and precedents. In short, you have no blinders, and a HUGE amount of money.

What do you do at this point in history? How do you prepare for the many resource shortages and environmental catastrophes and economic breakdowns and wars?

Think about that. And then consider that it's almost certain that real people who are a lot richer than you have already thought about it, and possibly acted upon it.

Sleep tight!

232 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 10:45:56pm

re: #231 Kreniigh

S'all good. I have a safe seat.

233 sagehen  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 10:47:08pm

re: #104 Obdicut

And all that terrible REGULATION that strangles BUSINESS.

I really miss California. New York is cool, but man, I miss it.

You'll miss it even more come February.

234 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 10:53:34pm

re: #119 albusteve

and for their trouble they get a 1-6 team

This is not what The Script said. It was a given that the Invincible Cowboys would be the first team ever to play in the Super Bowl in their home stadium.
How dare anyone deviate from The Script?

Someone is going to get canned over this, and something tells me that it won't be Owner-CEO-General Manager Jerry "My Face Has Stretch Marks" Jones.

235 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 11:01:51pm

re: #207 Lidane

National Novel Writing Month -- it's a yearly fiction writing challenge to write something like 50,000 words of original fiction in thirty days.

Heh, I tried my hand at writing fiction years ago. Anything good turned out to be derivative from, and almost plagiarism of, things I'd read years before. Anything original was not good IMO.

I'm a far better editor than writer. I suspect this is true of many intelligent people, assuming I'm intelligent.

236 celticdragon  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 11:05:16pm

re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth

I fucking knew you were Saruman, you tricky bastard!

Actually, he is an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor. Orks are dangerous enemies of Our Holy Emperor.

Orcs, on the other hand (spelled with a 'c') are nasty, mutated denizens of Middle Earth and owe allegiance to a daemonic and heretical being known as Sauron. When we get to it, the Inquisition will bring the Holy Flame of Purification to Sauron and the heretic traitor Saruman as well.

Nemo nos impune lacessit


;)

237 sagehen  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 11:08:43pm

re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist

Day 4 of NANOWRIMO, and still on schedule!

are you willing to tell us which story you decided on?

238 sagehen  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 11:10:03pm

re: #207 Lidane

National Novel Writing Month -- it's a yearly fiction writing challenge to write something like 50,000 words of original fiction in thirty days.

It doesn't have to be original, a lot of the nano's do fanfic.

239 Kragar  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 11:13:32pm

re: #236 celticdragon

Actually, he is an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor. Orks are dangerous enemies of Our Holy Emperor.

Orcs, on the other hand (spelled with a 'c') are nasty, mutated denizens of Middle Earth and owe allegiance to a daemonic and heretical being known as Sauron. When we get to it, the Inquisition will bring the Holy Flame of Purification to Sauron and the heretic traitor Saruman as well.

Nemo nos impune lacessit


;)

I think I love you.

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 11:14:13pm

re: #237 sagehen

are you willing to tell us which story you decided on?

I started with the King David thing, and then it just felt too dark and fraught for how I'm feeling right now, so I switched over to a mystery novel set in the Jewish community in England in the 1200s. Still a bit dark, but with humor, and more plot-driven.

241 I Am Kreniigh!  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 11:24:17pm

re: #233 sagehen

Heh... Closing in on New Vegas tonight...

242 Kragar  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 11:26:01pm

re: #241 Kreniigh

Heh... Closing in on New Vegas tonight...

Started it over, messed up some quest lines

243 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 11:26:43pm

re: #236 celticdragon

Actually, he is an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor. Orks are dangerous enemies of Our Holy Emperor.

'Ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go.

"The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans on the road to ruin in their turn. And why? Because the other races have sought answers to questions than an Ork wouldn't even bother to ask! We see a culture that is strong, and despise it as crude."

-Uthan the Perverse, Eldar Philosopher

244 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 11:36:08pm

re: #236 celticdragon

Space Marines are craven pussies.

245 Kragar  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 11:47:01pm

re: #244 Slumbering Behemoth

Space Marines are craven pussies.

Blood Angels are just whiny bitches since their Primarch got iced by Horus.

246 Kragar  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 11:48:41pm

re: #243 goddamnedfrank

'Ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go.

"The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans on the road to ruin in their turn. And why? Because the other races have sought answers to questions than an Ork wouldn't even bother to ask! We see a culture that is strong, and despise it as crude."

-Uthan the Perverse, Eldar Philosopher

The wonders of Ork Technology explained

Image: maa4ao.jpg

247 palomino  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 11:51:40pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Pro-business, pro-growth legislation. No "health care exchange"*
. Spending reform.

* Some parts of Obama plan, namely not allowing companies to disallow for pre-existing conditions, and the so-called "doughnut hole" do need to be retained.

There's a fundamental problem here in your health care analysis. You can't just tell the insurance cos. that you're keeping the "good parts of Obama's plan" and repealing the rest. The provisions on pre-existing conditions and other similar provisions will cost the insurers hundreds of millions. The only reason they agreed to such conditions was that the individual mandate would offset those losses. If your remove that mandate--as the Republicans have promised--then the other provisions are not only fiscally objectionable to insurance companies, they may even be fiscally unsustainable.

Now maybe the new gop congress will just ignore the insurance industry and its lobbyists and jam new rules down their throats. But that doesn't sound like anything previous Republican congresses would have done. And, if anything, these new republicans seem even less inclined to impose tough regulations on insurers.

248 freetoken  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:55:33am
MP3 Audio
249 laZardo  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:06:48am

Anti-science, anti-gay, anti-secularism, anti-human-right, anti-environment... keep painting yourselves, conservatives. I don't even need to bring out the paint roller anymore.

250 deranged cat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:22:32am

I really enjoyed this.

America is now officially for sale
It's the Tea Party spirit distilled: pose as the champion of Joe America, while actually ripping him off

251 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:24:36am

re: #231 Kreniigh

Once you reach that level of wealth, it affects your brain.


Or to give it a more pedestrian spin:


I remember when my neighbor got a new bicycle. I was jealous and even upset when I saw that he took no care of it, would just throw it down and not even bother to bring it inside at night.

I thought "If I had a bike like that, I would take good care of it and stand it up carefully in the garage every night"

Which I did for about two weeks and then i stopped caring for it and left it lying out on the lawn overnight...

252 simoom  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:31:38am

A decent clip from Rachel Maddow on the stupid "Pres. Obama, on his Asia trip, is spending $200m a day and redirecting 34 warships" rumor that FNC, FBN, Beck, Hannity, Bachmann, Rush, Drudge and numerous others have been pushing over the last couple days:

MSNBC Video

Basically the Pentagon said the warships thing was comical and absurd, and the White House said the $200m figure has no basis in reality and the actual cost is in line with trips by previous Presidents.

253 Digital Display  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:32:13am

re: #251 ralphieboy

LOL
I once got sued over a bike once..Maybe the only person ever..
Go ahead ask me how..:)

254 freetoken  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:45:37am

re: #250 deranged cat

Should probably be required viewing:

Youtube Video
255 freetoken  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:48:01am
Youtube Video
256 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:19:10am

re: #253 HoosierHoops

LOL
I once got sued over a bike once..Maybe the only person ever..
Go ahead ask me how..:)

There was a recent court case in which a four-year-old was sued for running into an elderly person with her bike.

I hope you didn't do the same...

257 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:22:59am

re: #254 freetoken

Should probably be required viewing:


[Video]

Good frakkin' grief. Lesbian vampires......unicorn meat.....200 million a day. Idiocracy is upon us.

Even if we were taking 3000 people and using 40 planes and 34 ships (which the Pentagon calls absurd), the cost would not approach 200 million a day. The people who believe this are probably the same ones who think NASA gets 24% of the federal budget. You could probably tell them it costs 50 million a day to operate an aircraft carrier and they would believe you (the real cost is more like 1 million a day).

The only possible effect of this will be to force the administration to release itemized figures that have heretofore been kept secret for security reasons. For instance, how many Secret Service agents made the trip? How are they equipped? Did one of the planes carry a top secret jamming installation to thwart IEDs or shoulder-launched missiles? What kind of alterations were made to the hotel and other facilities? How much was paid to local informants for security related information?
Inquiring minds want to know, and many of them are terrorists.

258 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:35:13am

It might be interesting to track down this "200 million a day" figure to its original source and see just what the basis for it is, if any. One possibility is that it originated with Indian media and represents an exhaustively stretched estimate of the cost to everyone involved. This would include things like the Indian government's security costs and the disruption to business and commerce in Mumbai. Media costs will no doubt run into the millions too. I still don't think the figure would withstand critical analysis but the US taxpayers are not picking up these costs anyway.

259 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:41:03am

Does it matter that these figures are unverifiable? They make good copy and the only ones to take them to task will be viewers outside the FOX target audience.

260 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:55:10am

34 Warships!
Lol

261 theheat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:56:07am

Girl Stuff: I've been so busy the last week I skinched out and just kept putting another layer of clear topcoat over my nail polish, thinking I'd get around to giving myself a real manicure when I had more time.

Well, now I'm at the point where I may need to use paint stripper to get this stuff off. Or dynamite. Or the moelcular acid the creatures from Aliens spewed.

I've been soaking my fingernails under little cotton pads soaked with polish remover, and it refuses to budge. At this rate I'll either die of toxicity or my fingertips are going to melt.

262 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:09:50am

re: #256 ralphieboy

There was a recent court case in which a four-year-old was sued for running into an elderly person with her bike.

I hope you didn't do the same...

What,,,, sue someone
or run into an elderly person !?!?!

263 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:10:59am

re: #262 sattv4u2

What,,, sue someone
or run into an elderly person !?!?!


let yourself be run down by a four-year-old...

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

264 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:12:27am

re: #258 Shiplord Kirel

The claim originates with an unnamed Maharashtra official. Why on earth Bachmann or anyone else would think that an Indian official would be privy to that information, I have no idea.

The odd thing is that this attack is an attack on the military as well. I wonder if the GOP is gearing up to attack military funding. It wouldn't play well with a lot of their old base, but with their new, Paulian, isolationist, as-long-as-we-have-god-on-our-side it'd probably be fine. If they portray it in terms of lowering the amount of times that we go and save some poor country from disaster, and a reduction of Obama's power, it might fly.

265 freetoken  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:14:57am

re: #264 Obdicut

Why on earth Bachmann or anyone else would think that an Indian official would be privy to that information, I have no idea.


Well, Occam would suggest it's just a simple mixture of her stupidity and her hatred for Obama.

As for the rise Paulian/JBS paranoia, I see that HotWingnuts has in their "Greenroom" an item that attacks the Fed and their latest move, with attending comments praising Beck's paranoid rants on this.

266 theheat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:15:23am

re: #264 Obdicut

What, and miss a single opportunity to say, "God bless the troops?" (You know, because they act as if they're the only ones who appreciate and care about them.)

267 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:16:05am

re: #266 theheat

They've said 'god bless the troops' while cutting veterans' care, so it's not like they have shame on that point.

268 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:16:06am

Morning, all!

269 theheat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:18:28am

I have two fingers left to unpolish. This is insufferable...

270 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:19:23am

re: #267 Obdicut

They've said 'god bless the troops' while cutting veterans' care, so it's not like they have shame on that point.

Defense funding is for the benefit of defense contractors, the troops are expected to benefit from the "trickle-down" effect.

271 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:19:46am

re: #269 theheat

I have two fingers left to unpolish. This is insufferable...


You cut off the other eight? How do you type?

272 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:20:05am

re: #269 theheat

I am having difficulty relating, but if it makes you feel any better:

Back when I was in college, I'd gone home with a nice girl and had a nice time. The next morning, I took a shower. The shower was full of girl stuff, as it always is. I saw a bottle of soap marked 'exfoliant', and thought, "I've heard that word before, and I interpret it as meaning 'it'll get me very clean'. So, on it goes."

I used the exfoliating soap everywhere. EVERYWHERE.

Lesson learned.

273 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:20:49am

re: #267 Obdicut

They've said 'god bless the troops' while cutting veterans' care, so it's not like they have shame on that point.

FWIW they all say that and do nothing. And good morning.

274 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:21:08am

re: #272 Obdicut

I am having difficulty relating, but if it makes you feel any better:

Back when I was in college, I'd gone home with a nice girl and had a nice time. The next morning, I took a shower. The shower was full of girl stuff, as it always is. I saw a bottle of soap marked 'exfoliant', and thought, "I've heard that word before, and I interpret it as meaning 'it'll get me very clean'. So, on it goes."

I used the exfoliating soap everywhere. EVERYWHERE.

Lesson learned.

LOL

275 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:21:14am

re: #272 Obdicut

I am having difficulty relating, but if it makes you feel any better:

Back when I was in college, I'd gone home with a nice girl and had a nice time. The next morning, I took a shower. The shower was full of girl stuff, as it always is. I saw a bottle of soap marked 'exfoliant', and thought, "I've heard that word before, and I interpret it as meaning 'it'll get me very clean'. So, on it goes."

I used the exfoliating soap everywhere. EVERYWHERE.

Lesson learned.


even outside of the shower??

276 theheat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:21:53am

re: #271 ralphieboy

typing w/one finger left handed for a minute

277 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:23:44am

re: #273 Cannadian Club Akbar

FWIW they all say that and do nothing. And good morning.

I want to find a politician that says nothing and does something!

278 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:24:47am

re: #277 sattv4u2

I want to find a politician that says nothing and does something!

Sorry, Paul Tsongas is dead.

279 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:25:29am

re: #277 sattv4u2

I want to find a politician that says nothing and does something!

Let me in the ring. Sheesh,

280 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:26:42am

re: #272 Obdicut

I am having difficulty relating, but if it makes you feel any better:

Back when I was in college, I'd gone home with a nice girl and had a nice time. The next morning, I took a shower. The shower was full of girl stuff, as it always is. I saw a bottle of soap marked 'exfoliant', and thought, "I've heard that word before, and I interpret it as meaning 'it'll get me very clean'. So, on it goes."

I used the exfoliating soap everywhere. EVERYWHERE.

Lesson learned.

Heh.
Women and all their weird cleaning rituals.
/

281 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:26:57am

Biggest grooming mistake I ever made was on a trip to Italy. I was 18 or 19 at the time and decided I was going to treat myself to mid college term break.

I was staying at a pension (kind of like a hostel). I forgot to pack shampoo so I went to the corner market and pointed to a tube of orange stuff.

I jumped into the shower and wondered why my shampoo wasn't lathering up. Naturally, I expended half the tube before I realized I bought hair oil.

I looked like Al Pacino in the Godfather for a week.

282 theheat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:32:41am

re: #281 researchok

There's actually a hair product called Dirt that makes clean hair look oily and greasy. Think Mickey Rourke.

283 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:33:07am

re: #281 researchok

Biggest grooming mistake I ever made was on a trip to Italy. I was 18 or 19 at the time and decided I was going to treat myself to mid college term break.

I was staying at a pension (kind of like a hostel). I forgot to pack shampoo so I went to the corner market and pointed to a tube of orange stuff.

I jumped into the shower and wondered why my shampoo wasn't lathering up. Naturally, I expended half the tube before I realized I bought hair oil.

I looked like Al Pacino in the Godfather for a week.


Germans sell mustard, mayonnaise and horseradish in tubes that looklike toothpaste.

A freind of mine was visiting here, and at one point he complanied about his roomates back home always using up his toothpaste.

I gave him a tube of strong German horseradish and told him just to open it and leave it in the medicine cabinet.

Cured his problems.

284 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:33:34am

re: #278 Obdicut

Sorry, Paul Tsongas is dead.

A good man. I had the privilege of living in his district for awhile. Met a couple of times.

Niki on the other hand ,,, well ,, she is what she is

285 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:34:11am

re: #282 theheat

There's actually a hair product called Dirt that makes clean hair look oily and greasy. Think Mickey Rourke.

must I !?!?

286 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:34:49am

re: #282 theheat

There's actually a hair product called Dirt that makes clean hair look oily and greasy. Think Mickey Rourke.

I guess I was ahead of the curve.
//

I could have pointed a flashlight at my head and could have made money as a landing light at Heathrow. That's how shiny my head was!

287 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:35:00am

re: #283 ralphieboy

Cured his problems.

Now having no friends does that!!

288 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:35:47am

Out for a bit.

289 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:36:20am

re: #284 sattv4u2

What's your problem with his widow?

290 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:36:25am

Friends and roomates are not necessarily the same.

Actually the best roomies I ever had were people whom I did not consider "friends", we just got along well in sharing a common living room/bathroom and kitchen.

291 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:37:06am

re: #289 Obdicut

What's your problem with his widow?

I have no "problem" with her

292 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:38:44am

re: #283 ralphieboy

Germans sell mustard, mayonnaise and horseradish in tubes that looklike toothpaste.

A freind of mine was visiting here, and at one point he complanied about his roomates back home always using up his toothpaste.

I gave him a tube of strong German horseradish and told him just to open it and leave it in the medicine cabinet.

Cured his problems.

LOL- I am all too familiar with European penchant for tubes.

My grandfather would always grumble about how tubes were deliberately changed from metal to plastic. He said they did it on purpose because you could not roll up those tubes like you could the metal ones. That was a French plot to make sure you didn't squeeze out the the last possible ml of whatever was in there.

293 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:39:43am

re: #292 researchok

LOL- I am all too familiar with European penchant for tubes.

My grandfather would always grumble about how tubes were deliberately changed from metal to plastic. He said they did it on purpose because you could not roll up those tubes like you could the metal ones. That was a French plot to make sure you didn't squeeze out the the last possible ml of whatever was in there.

Now there's a conspiracy I can believe!

294 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:40:37am

NWO whackos @ infowars celebrating the new persecution of scientists by politicians as a result of GOP win:

[Link: cc.bingj.com...]

295 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:40:59am

re: #292 researchok

re: #293 Varek Raith

Now there's a conspiracy I can believe!

BIG TUBES ARE RIPPING US OFF!

296 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:42:43am

re: #295 sattv4u2

re: #293 Varek Raith

BIG TUBES ARE RIPPING US OFF!

And don't get me started on the whole hot dogs come in 10s and hot dog buns come in 8s nonsense!

297 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:43:29am

re: #293 Varek Raith

Now there's a conspiracy I can believe!

I recall my grandfather in the kitchen sliding a heavy object over the tube, attempting to push out the contents. He was a fan of anchovies and he liked a particular French product.

I can still hear the epithets and curses directed at the 'bloody frogs'. He wanted to believe they went from metal to plastic just to mess with him as revenge.

298 freetoken  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:44:04am

re: #294 000G

Yup. The Alex Jones crowd is quite happy with how several of the GOP House leaders are intending to pursue the wacky agenda.

299 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:44:24am

Flight school students arrested
Concerns raised on antiterror net; 34 immigrants allegedly illegal

[Link: www.boston.com...]

All the arrested immigrants, who were learning to fly small single-engine planes, are free pending deportation hearings in federal immigration court, immigration officials said.

34 arrested

Whats the over/under on how many show up for their court date!?!?!

300 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:44:47am

re: #292 researchok

LOL- I am all too familiar with European penchant for tubes.

But for that, those culinary barbarians have still not introduced cheese in a spray can!

301 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:44:56am

re: #298 freetoken

Yup. The Alex Jones crowd is quite happy with how several of the GOP House leaders are intending to pursue the wacky agenda.

And the Dems will roll over, no doubt...

302 theheat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:45:18am

re: #285 sattv4u2

He's a helluva an actor and quite the stud before he became a fan of plastic surgery. Even after surgery, his portrayal of Marv in Sin City was an all-time best.

303 freetoken  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:46:40am

re: #301 Varek Raith

And the Dems will roll over, no doubt...

The problem will be that too many of the Dems will be quite busy securing their own districts' goods to be able to have time to tackle a national agenda. That was one of President Obama's problems the last two years - his own party would work against him on several issues.

304 theheat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:46:44am

re: #301 Varek Raith

Yeah, what is it with that? Never saw such a bunch of weenies.

305 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:47:13am

re: #298 freetoken

Yup. The Alex Jones crowd is quite happy with how several of the GOP House leaders are intending to pursue the wacky agenda.

Could not post that link (the cache!) in the spinoff section of an earlier article on the topic. The blog software denies it ("Links to that web site are not permitted."). A little excessively restrictive when even caches are filtered out.

306 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:49:05am

re: #299 sattv4u2

Flight school students arrested
Concerns raised on antiterror net; 34 immigrants allegedly illegal

[Link: www.boston.com...]

All the arrested immigrants, who were learning to fly small single-engine planes, are free pending deportation hearings in federal immigration court, immigration officials said.

34 arrested

Whats the over/under on how many show up for their court date!?!?!

There was an ongoing investigation. I'm pretty sure if they really posed a risk or flight risk, they would have been held.

For better or worse, they do have rights.

307 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:51:16am

re: #306 researchok

There was an ongoing investigation. I'm pretty sure if they really posed a risk or flight risk, they would have been held.

For better or worse, they do have rights.

Yes ,, and under those "rights" my question Whats the over/under on how many show up for their court date!?!? still stands

308 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:52:27am

re: #307 sattv4u2

Yes ,, and under those "rights" my question Whats the over/under on how many show up for their court date!?!? still stands


Threaten to waterboard 'em if they don't show up, that'll fix it...

309 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:53:10am

re: #307 sattv4u2

Yes ,, and under those "rights" my question Whats the over/under on how many show up for their court date!?!? still stands

No idea.

310 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:54:21am

re: #308 ralphieboy

Threaten to waterboard 'em if they don't show up, that'll fix it...

It's Stowe, Vermont

Worse is they can do is threaten to make them ski on mushy snow!

311 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 4:03:16am

re: #310 sattv4u2

It's Stowe, Vermont

Worse is they can do is threaten to make them ski on mushy snow!

Or threaten to send them to new Hampshire...

312 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 4:57:18am

ATTN Stalkers

For the past 53 minutes we have not been silenced
We decided to become mimes, just to piss you off! !

313 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:01:18am

I have contented myself to silently thinking traitorous liberal thoughts about how government can destroy our freedoms and gain contol over our lives and the economy.

314 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:01:46am

re: #313 ralphieboy

I have contented myself to silently thinking traitorous liberal thoughts about how government can destroy our freedoms and gain contol over our lives and the economy.

Too late!!
//

315 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:03:52am

re: #314 sattv4u2

Too late!!
//


They have not yet gained complete control...but I am not done thinking!

316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:08:11am

re: #312 sattv4u2

Help me! I am stuck in this invisible box! How did I get inside this invisible box! The invisible box appears to have no egress!

Now I'm going down an escalator.

317 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:08:41am

re: #315 ralphieboy

They have not yet gained complete control...but I am not done thinking!

Well,,, lets see

We could ban giving kids free toys

oh ,, wait ,, DAMN ,, too late!!
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:09:28am

re: #316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

IT'S A METAPHOR!

THE BOX IS THE GOVERNMENT! THE ESCALATOR IS MY COUNTRY!

(I actually loved Shields and Yarnell).

319 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:10:14am

re: #316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Help me! I am stuck in this invisible box! How did I get inside this invisible box! The invisible box appears to have no egress!

Now I'm going down an escalator.

I once went up the down staircase

Too bad I didn't write a book about it
wait ,,whats that you say ,, someone DID !!!

I'm suing !!!

320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:10:33am

re: #317 sattv4u2

Cutting edge Totalitarianism.

321 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:12:14am

re: #320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cutting edge Totalitarianism.

How dull!

322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:12:48am

re: #319 sattv4u2

In Through the Out Door.
-Led Zeppelin

323 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:14:15am

re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

IT'S A METAPHOR!

THE BOX IS THE GOVERNMENT! THE ESCALATOR IS MY COUNTRY!

(I actually loved Shields and Yarnell).

I'm sorry ,, they're talented and all,, but something about it is just ,, I dunnow,, creepy!! ,,,

Youtube Video
324 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:14:43am

re: #322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In Through the Out Door.
-Led Zeppelin

Where did I put my car keys

-Sattv4u2

325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:15:41am

re: #323 sattv4u2

I just loved them back in the day.

The amount of physical control... etc...

326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:16:14am

re: #324 sattv4u2

Where did I put my car keys

-Sattv4u2

Idiot!
-Sattv4u2's wife

327 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:16:23am

re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just loved them back in the day.

The amount of physical control... etc...

Oh , I agree ,,, but not blinking (amongst other things) for that long ,,

williies!!!!

328 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:17:16am

Stephen Hawking and Carl Sagan on the Greenhouse Effect

Youtube Video
329 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:20:20am

re: #317 sattv4u2

Well,,, lets see

We could ban giving kids free toys

oh ,, wait ,, DAMN ,, too late!!
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

One of the first sentences from that article:

It's "meals" are often based largely on meat, which is very damaging to the environment as well as our health.


Nutritional value of meat - includes:


PROTEINS serve as building materials for the
growth and repair of body tissues. Proteins function as components of enzymes and hormones, help regulate fluid and electrolyte balance,
maintain the acid-base balance, and are an integral part of the immune system. Proteins can even be used for energy. Meat is high in both protein quality and quantity. Protein is made up of amino acids. The nine essential amino acids, or the amino acids that the body cannot make and must get from food, are found in meat─making it a complete protein. Few plant sources are complete proteins.

Now, I'm not saying that McDonalds food is good for you.

But meat appears to be actually good for health, so I'm not quite sure where Reuters got the "...damaging to the environment as well as our health" bit.

330 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:22:22am

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Idiot!
-Sattv4u2's wife

heh ,, no , I usually don't know where mine are because for some unknown reason shes moves them (and not just the keys)

EXAMPLE ,,,, We have a couple of Wachovia accounts, including our ATM/ Bank cards
Wachovia has been taken over by Wells Fargo, so of course WF sends us new cards with instructions to activate them prior to 10/23 but not to use them till 10/30

SO,,,, I activate mine around the 15th and leave it on my dresser drawer still attached to the letter it came with. Come the 30th when I went to get it and place it in my wallet, there it was ,, GONE (the letter was still there). I asked Wifey if she moved it. Emphatic NO (as well as a lecture about how she doesn't touch things of mine) ((don't EVEN go there!!!!))

Thinking perhaps I had taken it days earlier and lost it, I called the bank and had them cancel/ re-issue a new one

A few days ago she comes into the kitchen, my card in hand saying she found it in HER dresser drawer

Thanks Honey ,,,((grumble grumble grumble)))

331 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:24:14am

re: #329 reine.de.tout

One of the first sentences from that article:


Nutritional value of meat - includes:

Now, I'm not saying that McDonalds food is good for you.

But meat appears to be actually good for health, so I'm not quite sure where Reuters got the "...damaging to the environment as well as our health" bit.

Bingo

No food is "GOOD" for you if you ate it 5 meals a day

PARENTS ,,,,, bring the kiddies to Mickey D's, but NOT for Breakfast/ Lunch/ Dinner/ Snacks 5 times a day 7 days a week

Problem solved !!

332 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:26:35am

re: #329 reine.de.tout

BTW ,, how's hubbys shoulder doing?

333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:27:26am

re: #330 sattv4u2

Oh... my wife "puts things away" also.

334 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:27:52am

re: #329 reine.de.tout

Meat requires a lot more resources to produce than non-meat does, especially in the factory farm method. Free-range grazing cows have a much more minimal impact, but the ones that are chained up side by side and force-fed grain all day require the output of tons and tons of grain and corn (and other cows, yay) to feed them.

In addition, the amount of manure produced by such farms exceeds the capability of the ecosystem to deal with it-- the factory farms are less-than-stellar in the ways they process and dispose of it.

McDonald's sources it's meat from factory farms.

Please note I am not making any sort of generalized anti-meat argument, but only that factory farming of meat, as it is currently run, has a severe environmental impact. This impact could be mitigated in a large number of ways, but it is not currently done. I fully realize that for most people, the option of buying sustainable meat is not available, either for reasons of accessibility or economics.

Here's a pretty good article on the subject.

[Link: www.sustainabletable.org...]

335 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:28:46am

re: #332 sattv4u2

BTW ,, how's hubbys shoulder doing?

Hm.
Not good.
He saw an arthritis specialist, who said he didn't think it was arthritis, but instead was some sort of injury, and sent him to a sports injury surgeon.

The surgeon said there's no injury, he thinks it's arthritis.

He got cortisone shots in both shoulder joints. Minimum relief as of yet. We'll see in a few weeks.

336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:29:30am

re: #334 Obdicut

I just don't wanna kill nuthin'. But ... well... you know...

337 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:31:30am

re: #335 reine.de.tout

Hm.
Not good.
He saw an arthritis specialist, who said he didn't think it was arthritis, but instead was some sort of injury, and sent him to a sports injury surgeon.

The surgeon said there's no injury, he thinks it's arthritis.

He got cortisone shots in both shoulder joints. Minimum relief as of yet. We'll see in a few weeks.

:(

These helped me ,,, A LOT

[Link: www.sport-fitness-advisor.com...]

Start slow ( just a few reps ,,, lightest resistance bands) and then increase a little every couple of days

338 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:31:59am

re: #335 reine.de.tout

Joint pain is such a bastard.

I hope he gets the care and treatment he needs. It can be so difficult to get doctors to treat pain seriously.

339 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:33:29am

re: #335 reine.de.tout


Does he have diabetes?

340 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:35:22am

re: #334 Obdicut

Meat requires a lot more resources to produce than non-meat does, especially in the factory farm method. Free-range grazing cows have a much more minimal impact, but the ones that are chained up side by side and force-fed grain all day require the output of tons and tons of grain and corn (and other cows, yay) to feed them.

In addition, the amount of manure produced by such farms exceeds the capability of the ecosystem to deal with it-- the factory farms are less-than-stellar in the ways they process and dispose of it.

McDonald's sources it's meat from factory farms.

Please note I am not making any sort of generalized anti-meat argument, but only that factory farming of meat, as it is currently run, has a severe environmental impact. This impact could be mitigated in a large number of ways, but it is not currently done. I fully realize that for most people, the option of buying sustainable meat is not available, either for reasons of accessibility or economics.

Here's a pretty good article on the subject.

[Link: www.sustainabletable.org...]

Obdi - growing fruits & veggies is also harmful to the environment, what with the use of pesticides needed to produce crops large enough to feed us all. Not to mention the transportation necessary to get the crops from farm to market.

So - OK, the production of meat (or anything we consume in quantity) can have a negative environmental impact.

My point was more that growing kids NEED the protein! And as Satt said - McDonald's meals should be an occasional thing, not every day. For the younger ones, that's a parent's responsibility. My kid liked fast-food less and less the older she got - so I don't quite understand the getting "hooked" on fast-food bit.

Taking the toys out of the meals isn't going to stop people from going to McDonald's.

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:36:30am

re: #335 reine.de.tout

Guy goes to the dentist to have his tooth pulled. Tooth slips from the Dentist's pliers and goes down the man's throat.
Dentist says! "Oh no! The tooth has moved from your mouth to your throat.
Man says, "What can you do?"
Dentists says, "It's in your throat. I have to send you to an Ear Nose and Throat doctor."
ENT says, "It's moved through the esophagus and into the stomach. I need to send you to a Gastroenterologist."
Gastroenterologist says, "It's not in your stomach or small intestines anymore, I have to send you to a Proctologist."
Proctologist scopes him and says "Hmm. There's a tooth in there.
The man says, "I know! What can you do?"
Proctologist says "I'm going to have to send you to a Dentist."

342 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:36:34am

re: #340 reine.de.tout

You've got mail

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:36:58am

re: #336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just don't wanna kill nuthin'. But ... well... you know...

Wait! I'd kill OBL.

Just sayin'.

344 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:39:15am

re: #343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait! I'd kill OBL.

Just sayin'.

for the meat?

345 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:39:17am

re: #337 sattv4u2

:(

These helped me ,,, A LOT

[Link: www.sport-fitness-advisor.com...]

Start slow ( just a few reps ,,, lightest resistance bands) and then increase a little every couple of days

Yeah, he has exercises he's supposed to do, and he's trying.

re: #338 Obdicut

Joint pain is such a bastard.

I hope he gets the care and treatment he needs. It can be so difficult to get doctors to treat pain seriously.


re: #339 Obdicut

Does he have diabetes?

We just can't get to the bottom of what's causing the pain, that's what's so frustrating. I think the docs are taking it seriously, but they just can't find the cause. He has zero range of motion - the other day he was able to scratch his head and that was a BIG THING.

No, no diabetes. He did have a spinal cord injury about 15 years ago that's caused peripheral neuropathy - but this pain is separate and different from the neuropathy -

346 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:40:23am

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Guy goes to the dentist to have his tooth pulled. Tooth slips from the Dentist's pliers and goes down the man's throat.
Dentist says! "Oh no! The tooth has moved from your mouth to your throat.
Man says, "What can you do?"
Dentists says, "It's in your throat. I have to send you to an Ear Nose and Throat doctor."
ENT says, "It's moved through the esophagus and into the stomach. I need to send you to a Gastroenterologist."
Gastroenterologist says, "It's not in your stomach or small intestines anymore, I have to send you to a Proctologist."
Proctologist scopes him and says "Hmm. There's a tooth in there.
The man says, "I know! What can you do?"
Proctologist says "I'm going to have to send you to a Dentist."

LOL.
That's funny.
I actually do know a woman whose husband ended up having surgery after a dentist dropped some sort of small instrument that her husband swallowed. What a mess!

347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:42:23am

re: #344 sattv4u2

for the meat?

I'm guessing it's a bit gamey by now.

348 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:42:30am

re: #337 sattv4u2

:(

These helped me ,,, A LOT

[Link: www.sport-fitness-advisor.com...]

Start slow ( just a few reps ,,, lightest resistance bands) and then increase a little every couple of days

Me too. It is strongly advised to keep shoulder joints moving to prevent frozen shoulder syndrome. The stretching exercises alone provided real relief, in my case...

349 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:43:33am

re: #348 Taqyia2Me

Me too. It is strongly advised to keep shoulder joints moving to prevent frozen shoulder syndrome. The stretching exercises alone provided real relief, in my case...

For me, it was building up the muscles around the one(s) and the joints that were causing the problem

350 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:44:45am

re: #340 reine.de.tout

Obdi - growing fruits & veggies is also harmful to the environment, what with the use of pesticides needed to produce crops large enough to feed us all. Not to mention the transportation necessary to get the crops from farm to market.

True. And in order to grow meat in a factory farm setting, you need to grow lots of grain and corn-- lots more than if we were growing that food directly for consumption. So, factory-farmed meat is multiplicatively worse than growing grain, etc. alone.


So - OK, the production of meat (or anything we consume in quantity) can have a negative environmental impact.

My point was more that growing kids NEED the protein! And as Satt said - McDonald's meals should be an occasional thing, not every day. For the younger ones, that's a parent's responsibility. My kid liked fast-food less and less the older she got - so I don't quite understand the getting "hooked" on fast-food bit.

In an ideal situation, McDonald's foods should never be part of anyone's diet, nor should any other hyperprocessed food. Delicious juicy steaks, wonderful ground hamburger (like I've got in my freezer right now) made from meat you buy yourself, that'd be the best.

However, we don't live in an ideal world. For many people, they don't have the time to cook, the option to store food, the time to go shopping, etc. etc. But even then, I don't think that McDonald's is a good way to go if there are any other options that process their food less and exert better quality control.

Have you read Fast Food Nation? It's a great, great book, very soberly and rationally written.

Taking the toys out of the meals isn't going to stop people from going to McDonald's.

I fully agree. Crap like this is fiddling around with inconsequential trivialities and ignoring actual solutions to the real problems. To me, it's the flip side of Sherrif Joe making his prisoner's jumpsuits pink on some deranged theory that that humiliation will act as a deterrent. There's no logic to it, and there's an obvious amount of spitefulness.

351 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:45:28am

re: #348 Taqyia2Me

My wife had a torn Rotator Cuff... thought it was frozen shoulder...

The Physical Therapy (PT) was truly Pain and Torture.

352 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:46:18am

re: #345 reine.de.tout

I hate restricted range of motion. My back goes out occasionally and I can't turn my head, but it goes away after a day. I can't imagine the frustration of it lasting more than just a little while.

I'll refrain from random, unhelpful speculation, and just hope that the doctors figure out something soon.

353 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:47:07am

Holy shit!! It's like 65 degrees here!! Nice!!

354 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:47:57am

re: #353 Cannadian Club Akbar

Holy shit!! It's like 65 degrees here!! Nice!!

I'm sorry. And good morning.

355 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:49:01am

re: #353 Cannadian Club Akbar

Holy shit!! It's like 65 degrees here!! Nice!!

39 heading to 53

70 by next week,, YIPPEEE ,, just in time for me to pressure wash the back deck and front porch on my days off ,,,, oh ,, joy!!

356 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:49:58am

re: #351 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My wife had a torn Rotator Cuff... thought it was frozen shoulder...

The Physical Therapy (PT) was truly Pain and Torture.

The Roi was doing PT, but it was so painful he stopped. I really would like to see him go back to it - I had a shoulder problem once, and it was related to poor muscle tone and the PT helped me a LOT, but it was painful!
re: #352 Obdicut

I hate restricted range of motion. My back goes out occasionally and I can't turn my head, but it goes away after a day. I can't imagine the frustration of it lasting more than just a little while.

I'll refrain from random, unhelpful speculation, and just hope that the doctors figure out something soon.

Thanks, Obdi.

btw - my kid has changed her major to Biology.
She had a 4.0 at mid-term; was #4 in her biology section of 500+ students.

She has decided she's very interested in genes and the study of genetics; and is pondering whether or not she wants to try for med school, but she was worried about the cost. I told her not to worry about THAT, that if that's what she wants to do, we will figure out a way to get her there. One of her concerns about that part of it was how she could handle a family PLUS being a physician.

We'll see. She has time yet to figure out what she wants to do.

357 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:50:25am

re: #354 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm sorry. And good morning.

good morning!

44 here.
And we're LOVING IT.

358 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:50:32am

re: #355 sattv4u2

39 heading to 53

70 by next week,, YIPPEEE ,, just in time for me to pressure wash the back deck and front porch on my days off ,,, oh ,, joy!!

At least not 97 in Hotlanta.

359 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:51:23am

re: #357 reine.de.tout

good morning!

44 here.
And we're LOVING IT.

This is what we live for!

360 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:52:03am

re: #358 Cannadian Club Akbar

At least not 97 in Hotlanta.

Thats why I waited till the fall to pressure wash! In the summer, the back deck gets sun from about 9 in the morning till the sun sets.

I would have been toasty/ crispy

361 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:52:08am

re: #356 reine.de.tout

Nifty stuff. If she wants to talk to someone about med school, my offer of my wife's counsel still stands open.

I know that the first thing my wife would say is that the most important part of being a family + physician is finding a partner who can deal with their wife being a doctor.

There are tons of cool things in medical research that don't involve an MD, as well. As long as she does some lab work and talks to people, she'll be able to figure out what she wants to do.

You must be so proud of her.

362 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:52:35am

Well... time to get movin'. Y'all have fun.

363 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:53:12am

re: #360 sattv4u2

Thats why I waited till the fall to pressure wash! In the summer, the back deck gets sun from about 9 in the morning till the sun sets.

I would have been toasty/ crispy

Or chunky?
/

364 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:54:22am

re: #361 Obdicut

Nifty stuff. If she wants to talk to someone about med school, my offer of my wife's counsel still stands open.

I know that the first thing my wife would say is that the most important part of being a family + physician is finding a partner who can deal with their wife being a doctor.

There are tons of cool things in medical research that don't involve an MD, as well. As long as she does some lab work and talks to people, she'll be able to figure out what she wants to do.

You must be so proud of her.

THANKS for the offer of your wife's counsel!

I'm bursting with pride. She's a good kid; not perfect, she was a very difficult child to raise, hard-headed - but she's a serious student and doing very very well.

365 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:56:03am

And on that note, the long quiet ride home beckons

366 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:57:13am

Did I mention that i got caught in a downpour last night? It was special.
/

367 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:57:44am

Time for me to dive into my work for a few hours, at least.

Take care, all.

Youtube Video
368 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:59:45am

re: #350 Obdicut

Have you read Fast Food Nation? It's a great, great book, very soberly and rationally written.

You neglect to add that it's also horrifying. The ex took it with her when she bailed (which is probably a good thing, because by now I would have re-read it and become unable to eat anything at all, ever again) so I don't have it in front of me, but I seem to remember a part about certain fast food chains employing laboratories to come up with chemical "flavorants" to make the meat taste more like actual meat. The impetus being that all the processing had turned it into flavorless gruel. Am I remembering correctly?

369 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:03:16am

You wanna see mechanical meat processing in action? Of course you do!

Youtube Video
370 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:03:33am

re: #368 negativ

Fast food sucks and if you don't know it, you deserve it.

371 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:05:08am

After the Citizens United decision, it appears that the US Supreme Court may be poised to take the next logical step:

Consumers' right to file class actions is in danger

It hasn't gotten a lot of press, but a case involving AT&T that goes before the U.S. Supreme Court next week has sweeping ramifications for potentially millions of consumers.

If a majority of the nine justices vote the telecom giant's way, any business that issues a contract to customers — such as for credit cards, cellphones or cable TV — would be able to prevent them from joining class-action lawsuits.

[...]

At issue at next week's court hearing is whether the Federal Arbitration Act of 1925 preempts state courts from striking down class-action bans. The federal law requires both sides in a dispute to take their grievance to an arbitrator, rather than a court, if both sides have agreed in advance to do so.

Vincent and Liza Concepcion sued AT&T in 2006 after signing up for wireless service that they'd been told included free cellphones. The Concepcions alleged that they and other Californians had been defrauded by the company because the phones actually came with various charges.

AT&T asked the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California to dismiss the case because its contract forbade class actions. The court declined, ruling that a class-action ban violates state law and is not preempted by the federal law.

The U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the lower-court ruling last year. AT&T subsequently petitioned the Supreme Court to hear the case.

372 Jadespring  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:07:27am

re: #368 negativ

You neglect to add that it's also horrifying. The ex took it with her when she bailed (which is probably a good thing, because by now I would have re-read it and become unable to eat anything at all, ever again) so I don't have it in front of me, but I seem to remember a part about certain fast food chains employing laboratories to come up with chemical "flavorants" to make the meat taste more like actual meat. The impetus being that all the processing had turned it into flavorless gruel. Am I remembering correctly?

Yes.

373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:10:23am

re: #368 negativ

IIRC... They have a flavoring so concentrated that a few drops will make several swimming pools taste like green pepper.

374 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:13:22am

Out for bit. Pizza.

375 Interesting Times  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:15:48am

re: #371 RadicalModerate

After the Citizens United decision, it appears that the US Supreme Court may be poised to take the next logical step:

Consumers' right to file class actions is in danger

Lovely. In honor of the RATS and their newly-elected enablers, may I present America's new flag

376 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:25:44am

re: #362 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well... time to get movin'. Y'all have fun.

No. Really. I mean it.

377 Jadespring  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:32:01am

One of the things I'm doing with some of the kids at a local school is bringing different food every week that they can taste it. It is connected with their gardening project so the majority of them are excited about at least trying it even if it looks or sounds weird.

So far I've brought potato and leek soup, 5 different type of tomatoes and squash soup. I also helped a class make fresh applesauce during a lesson on apples and nutrition. They grew leeks this year but only one had ever or remembered ever having leeks. They loved that soup and all had seconds. A few wouldn't taste the squash soup because the color looked so strange but the ones that did loved it. It was also neat because as we ate I got them to try to figure out what else was in the soup from the taste. They did pretty good. What they were most interested in though was how you actually make the food and most were surprised at how easy it is.

The tomato session was great because most had no clue that different tomatoes although tomatoey tasted different.

The class I did the applesauce with had also made salsa and as we chatted while peeling and using the food mill I discovered that quite a few didn't realize that ketchup and things like BBQ sauce was actually made from tomatoes nor that it was possible to make it at home from as they said 'real' tomatoes.

So next week, thanks to my Mom who is a canning champion I'm bringing in a whole bunch of things made from tomatoes, ketchup, chili sauce, BBq sauce, spaghetti sauce, tomato marmalade, bruschetta and a few others.

My job this week is to brush up on my nutritional analysis. In class they've been learning about different vitamins and nutrients, how they are related to food and their bodies and specifically with veggies how their color can indicate what's in them. When we were eating the squash soup and the teacher asked so what do you think is in this they were calling out things like 'carotenoids!' 'vitamin A!' etc. Then a nine year old explained everything about carotenoids to me. LOL

378 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:35:40am

re: #377 Jadespring

I had a teacher or two as good as that. Kudos. I only teach one youngster, but the money feels like a bonus. It's fun.

379 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:38:50am

BTW... It is NOT getting better. The Beatles were liars.

380 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:40:57am

re: #375 publicityStunted

Lovely. In honor of the RATS and their newly-elected enablers, may I present America's new flag

That's entirely too plausible. I cringe to think of future historians (assuming there's a future, and it contains historians) taking note of a society that was perfectly comfortable with naming its major cultural centers such things as

Nokia Live
Superpages-dot-com Center
American Airlines Center

Every so often, some bunch of jerk-ass investors offers to buy up the Will Rogers Memorial Center and rename it to something like The Kraft Foods Community Center or something. (I made that up, but just barely.) I'm sure it will happen eventually.

381 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:41:02am

Good Morning Lizards!

We don't seem to be able to check crime, so why not legalize it and then tax it out of business?
- Will Rogers

382 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:42:51am

Wikipedia has a fairly long article on the Marcellus Shale.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Something to note is that the shale formation also holds enough uranium that radon is already an issue in many places. I presume fracturing the rock will also release more of that to be dealt with.

My brother is familiar with the Hamilton Formation since he teaches earth sciences in western New York and also studies the conodont fossils from the appropriate limestone layers.

And woe upon us when a frakking operation breaks open the entombed cyst of the killer cephalopods held in suspended animation...

... and a good morning to everyone as well.

383 Jadespring  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:45:26am

re: #378 Rightwingconspirator

I had a teacher or two as good as that. Kudos. I only teach one youngster, but the money feels like a bonus. It's fun.

It is fun. The cool thing is that there is more then one teacher like this at this school and I'm going to be working with a whole bunch from Grade 1 and up into the highschool grades. I'm going to be helping facilitate a bunch of different projects specific to different classes, like a soil testing station and project and weather station for high school science classes. I'll also be doing some teacher training eventually.

384 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:46:32am

I get the worries of the GOP majority etc. And in my state all we got was the better of two poor choices in many cases. But the the GOP did not get the Senate. They are not about to get the executive.

First, cheer up all is not lost.
At some point soon let's pick ourselves up, close those hanging jaws and get about making things happen in our own ways. This is far from the first time the wrong guys got in charge of one portion or another of the government.

385 cliffster  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:47:51am

Darth Vader's new girlfriend

Image: 6326.jpg

386 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:50:54am

re: #350 Obdicut


I fully agree. Crap like this is fiddling around with inconsequential trivialities and ignoring actual solutions to the real problems. To me, it's the flip side of Sherrif Joe making his prisoner's jumpsuits pink on some deranged theory that that humiliation will act as a deterrent. There's no logic to it, and there's an obvious amount of spitefulness.

I disagree with this - to me it's an extension of regulations prohibiting the promotion of cigarettes to children.

Obviously there can be a debate about where to draw the line, but I don't think there's anything "obviously spiteful" about this.

BTW, kids do not "need" the protein from meat. It's perfectly possible to raise a healthy vegetarian child, and even a healthy vegan child if you're careful. The human race evolved with far less meat consumption than we see in the US today.

387 laZardo  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:52:16am

re: #386 iossarian

BTW, kids do not "need" the protein from meat. It's perfectly possible to raise a healthy vegetarian child, and even a healthy vegan child if you're careful. The human race evolved with far less meat consumption than we see in the US today.

And they threw stones at their own shadow and died of old age in fear at 24.

/lazlow wisdom

388 laZardo  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:55:44am

re: #384 Rightwingconspirator

I get the worries of the GOP majority etc. And in my state all we got was the better of two poor choices in many cases. But the the GOP did not get the Senate. They are not about to get the executive.

First, cheer up all is not lost.
At some point soon let's pick ourselves up, close those hanging jaws and get about making things happen in our own ways. This is far from the first time the wrong guys got in charge of one portion or another of the government.

But they may as well rewrite things so they'll end up in the 'right,' which they could possibly do in the next two years before the next great flushing. See #371.

389 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:56:25am

re: #387 laZardo

And they threw stones at their own shadow and died of old age in fear at 24.

/lazlow wisdom

You forgot the "riding around on dinosaurs" part!

390 laZardo  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:01:27am

From the site cliffster linked to...

Best protest poster since "I Can't Believe We're Still Protesting This Shit"

391 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:01:32am

re: #386 iossarian

I disagree with this - to me it's an extension of regulations prohibiting the promotion of cigarettes to children.

Obviously there can be a debate about where to draw the line, but I don't think there's anything "obviously spiteful" about this.

BTW, kids do not "need" the protein from meat. It's perfectly possible to raise a healthy vegetarian child, and even a healthy vegan child if you're careful. The human race evolved with far less meat consumption than we see in the US today.

I don't disagree with you on raising kids without meat, but I'd prefer the government stay out of that decision for me. If I occasionally want to get my kid a happy meal, let it be my decision.

392 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:06:03am

re: #391 rwdflynavy

I don't disagree with you on raising kids without meat, but I'd prefer the government stay out of that decision for me. If I occasionally want to get my kid a happy meal, let it be my decision.

Right, so there can be a reasonable debate here, I'm certainly not arguing against that.

The issue is what kinds of promotion companies can do to encourage kids to eat food that is unhealthy. Eating a Happy Meal is in some ways a similar* act to smoking a cigarette: there is little to no nutritional value involved, a non-trivial amount of bodily harm (especially if it becomes a habit) and a lot of immediate gratification.

The argument that I've used before on here is that some parents in Europe think nothing of giving teens the occasional glass of wine with dinner. Is that something that wine companies should be able to use in their marketing strategies?

* Note: similar, not the same.

393 laZardo  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:07:41am

Personally, I'm not affected by the Happy Meal banning because they don't come in those cute boxes anymore. :C

394 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:08:54am

SONOFABITCH this hurts like a mofo!!!
A piece of food is stuck in my gums.
:/

395 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:09:26am

By the way, I think it's an odd stance to say that government should stay out of my decisions, but that companies should be free to influence me however they see fit.

Why frown on one kind of external pressure but not the other?

re: #394 Varek Raith

SONOFABITCH this hurts like a mofo!!!
A piece of food is stuck in my gums.
:/

Hence my love/hate relationship with popcorn!

396 cliffster  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:13:24am

re: #391 rwdflynavy

I don't disagree with you on raising kids without meat, but I'd prefer the government stay out of that decision for me. If I occasionally want to get my kid a happy meal, let it be my decision.

anyone who thinks that the ban on toys in happy meals is ok should be banned from ever voting again.

397 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:16:08am

re: #396 cliffster

anyone who thinks that the ban on toys in happy meals is ok should be banned from ever voting again.

Mama don't take my Kodachrome comfort food away.

Seriously, grow up. You can love your kids in other ways than feeding them junk.

Plus, if there weren't toys in the boxes, MAYBE they wouldn't ask for it so much?

398 cliffster  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:20:18am

It simply doesn't matter. It's my decision. It's not your decision.

399 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:20:30am

Claim: giving your kids Happy Meals is similar to giving them cigarettes.

Evidence for:

1) Cigarettes are addictive. Fast food is addictive.

2) Cigarettes are bad for your health. Fast food is bad for your health.

3) Cigarettes provide instant gratification. Fast food provides instant gratification.

Evidence against:

1) Giving your kids cigarettes is not culturally acceptable. Giving your kids fast food is somewhat culturally acceptable, depending on your social milieu.

Am I missing anything?

400 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:21:02am

re: #398 cliffster

It simply doesn't matter. It's my decision. It's not your decision.

Should cigarette companies be allowed to promote their wares to kids (e.g., Joe the Camel)?

401 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:24:44am

I don't agree with the "Happy Meal" ban in San Francisco. However, given that it is in San Francisco that sort of thing is expected.

402 laZardo  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:25:34am

re: #401 Gus 802

I don't agree with the "Happy Meal" ban in San Francisco. However, given that it is in San Francisco that sort of thing is expected.

Even though Gavin Newsom(!) said he'd veto it...though they did get a big-enough majority to override him.

403 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:26:31am

re: #401 Gus 802

I don't agree with the "Happy Meal" ban in San Francisco. However, given that it is in San Francisco that sort of thing is expected.

It's a "Happy Meal ban" in the same way that it's a "Ground Zero mosque". The ban isn't on the meal, the ban is on the promotion of the meal.

Let's at least use some accurate terminology. In what way is a toy part of a "meal"?

404 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:27:21am

re: #402 laZardo

Even though Gavin Newsom(!) said he'd veto it...though they did get a big-enough majority to override him.

Newsom is rather reasonable considering. I know he defended the Blue Angels for Fleet Week from the moonbats that wanted them banned from SF.

405 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:27:30am

re: #403 iossarian

It's a "Happy Meal ban" in the same way that it's a "Ground Zero mosque". The ban isn't on the meal, the ban is on the promotion of the meal.

Let's at least use some accurate terminology. In what way is a toy part of a "meal"?

Whatever.

406 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:27:44am

re: #403 iossarian

It's a "Happy Meal ban" in the same way that it's a "Ground Zero mosque". The ban isn't on the meal, the ban is on the promotion of the meal.

Let's at least use some accurate terminology. In what way is a toy part of a "meal"?

Exactly.

Nothing is stopping parents buying their kids a hamburger, small fries and a small coke........

407 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:28:14am

re: #400 iossarian

The comparison between fast food and cigarettes is a very bad one.

Fast food really does have calories in it. It really does give you energy. It has negative health effects, but it also does have things that the body needs and uses.

Cigarettes have nothing. They are simply a poison, that do nothing positive at all.

The comparison doesn't work.

The problem is not with the parents giving their children fast food. You're not going to stop, or even alter, that behavior by banning the toys. I believe such bans represent mostly a frustration at the inability to control and force the fast food industry and factory farms to behave in any decent fashion.

That is where the problem lies, and where the harm is done. It is not in the choice of the parent.

You might as well campaign against any milk being marketed for children; children begin developing lactose intolerance early in life, and milk, and any dairy, is not actually something anyone should consume past the age of five. Yet we do, because it's delicious, even though it's bad for us.

Do you think that the same people trying to ban the toys are going to try to ban brie and camenbert anytime soon?

408 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:28:37am

Yes. Because we need the government to protect us from everything.

409 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:28:41am

Justices Debate Video Game Ban

Funny how the so many of these laws only target video games.
How about books?
Comics?
TV?
Movies?
Ridiculous.

410 cliffster  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:29:21am

re: #400 iossarian

Should cigarette companies be allowed to promote their wares to kids (e.g., Joe the Camel)?

Do you know what the problem with saying "no" to that, and allowing a ban on Joe the Camel? It sets a precedent for legislatures to decide how we should raise our kids. And then idiotic stuff like banning happy meal toys gets taken seriously.

The decision of what's best for my kid is not up to popular vote, nor should it be legislated. And taking it to foolish extremes, like "should you be allowed to feed your kid strychnine?" doesn't change the discussion.

411 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:29:59am

re: #401 Gus 802

I don't agree with the "Happy Meal" ban in San Francisco. However, given that it is in San Francisco that sort of thing is expected.

Yeah, just tell the kid, "Nope, you get a salad!"
Problem solved.

412 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:30:26am

re: #410 cliffster

Do you know what the problem with saying "no" to that, and allowing a ban on Joe the Camel? It sets a precedent for legislatures to decide how we should raise our kids. And then idiotic stuff like banning happy meal toys gets taken seriously.

The decision of what's best for my kid is not up to popular vote, nor should it be legislated. And taking it to foolish extremes, like "should you be allowed to feed your kid strychnine?" doesn't change the discussion.

nobody is saying you can't feed your kid nutritionally shit garbage - just that there shouldn't be a toy in the box the shit comes with.

413 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:30:37am

re: #408 Gus 802

Yes. Because we need the government to protect us from everything.

It's really insane to me that petty-ass crap like this gets the attention, whereas cases like this

re: #371 RadicalModerate

After the Citizens United decision, it appears that the US Supreme Court may be poised to take the next logical step:

Consumers' right to file class actions is in danger

aren't being talked about.

That is a huge, fucking gigantic danger. It is far, far more a danger to the health and safety of American citizens. That represents a huge slab of legal protection for the factory farms. Hell, more damage has been done to the public health by the slab of MacDonald's meat before it gets consumed, than after.

So why are we talking about the goddamn toys in happy meals? Deck chairs on the goddamn titanic.

414 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:30:51am

re: #411 Varek Raith

Yeah, just tell the kid, "Nope, you get a salad!"
Problem solved.

Yeah. Pretty much let the parents decide for themselves.

Screw the Nanny State.

415 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:31:51am

re: #405 Gus 802

Whatever.

Indeed.

re: #407 Obdicut

The comparison between fast food and cigarettes is a very bad one.

OK, let's use beer instead.


Fast food really does have calories in it.

So does beer.


It really does give you energy. It has negative health effects, but it also does have things that the body needs and uses.

Again, same with beer.


The problem is not with the parents giving their children fast food beer. You're not going to stop, or even alter, that behavior by banning the toys commercials. I believe such bans represent mostly a frustration at the inability to control and force the fast food industry and factory farms breweries to behave in any decent fashion.

So why do we ban commercials that promote beer to kids, as a "fun drink"?


That is where the problem lies, and where the harm is done. It is not in the choice of the parent.

You might as well campaign against any milk being marketed for children; children begin developing lactose intolerance early in life, and milk, and any dairy, is not actually something anyone should consume past the age of five. Yet we do, because it's delicious, even though it's bad for us.

Do you think that the same people trying to ban the toys are going to try to ban brie and camenbert anytime soon?

Again, there can be a reasonable debate about where to draw the line.

416 cliffster  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:31:55am

re: #412 wozzablog

nobody is saying you can't feed your kid nutritionally shit garbage - just that there shouldn't be a toy in the box the shit comes with.

And making that distinction is argumentative at best.

417 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:32:09am

re: #412 wozzablog

nobody is saying you can't feed your kid nutritionally shit garbage - just that there shouldn't be a toy in the box the shit comes with.

But does this actually do any fucking good whatsoever? Is there any actual effect to this? Does it really actually work?

Is the toy in the box making kids demand more happy meals, or is it simply a differential between the various fast-food chains, influencing the choice of equally bad fast foods?

418 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:32:29am

Still need cigs. And now I need coffee.

Think I'll find something to break.

419 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:32:58am

re: #418 Gus 802

Still need cigs. And now I need coffee.

Think I'll find something to break.


Capital idea!
Brb.

420 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:33:57am

re: #417 Obdicut

But does this actually do any fucking good whatsoever? Is there any actual effect to this? Does it really actually work?

Is the toy in the box making kids demand more happy meals, or is it simply a differential between the various fast-food chains, influencing the choice of equally bad fast foods?

Obviously the fast food companies are putting the toys in the boxes for some other genius reason. They don't affect the kids' behavior in terms of demanding shitty food at all.

///

421 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:34:14am

re: #419 Varek Raith

Capital idea!
Brb.

Hey. No cigs and no coffee! I'm cured!

//Not

/

422 laZardo  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:34:31am

re: #419 Varek Raith

Capital idea!
Brb.

I third this motion.

Only I'm gonna get a slurpee.

423 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:34:36am

re: #415 iossarian

OK, let's use beer instead.

So you're admitting that your analogy with cigarettes was basically flawed?


So why do we ban commercials that promote beer to kids, as a "fun drink"?

Because beer, unlike fast foods, can have immediate and violent behavior changes.

I'm sorry, but comparing alcohol and fast food is not a good comparison either. Fast food is comparatively unhealthy. That is all.


Again, there can be a reasonable debate about where to draw the line.

So try to have that reasonable debate without comparing fast food with cigarettes, which are only poisonous, and alcohol, which has severe behavior-altering properties. Compare fast food to something that makes sense in terms of health, like cheese.

424 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:34:48am

Seriously, people on here are usually so level-headed and rational. Then you talk about taking junk food away and it's all "screw the nanny state! deck chairs on the titanic!"

425 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:36:20am

re: #420 iossarian

Obviously the fast food companies are putting the toys in the boxes for some other genius reason. They don't affect the kids' behavior in terms of demanding shitty food at all.

///

Did you just not read my post?

Does it make them ask for more fast food, or does it make them ask for a particular brand of fast food over another one?

If the effect a significant one? If you don't know the answer to these questions, then why think that this ban will have the effect you desire?

Have you read Fast Food Nation?

426 laZardo  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:36:23am

re: #424 iossarian

Seriously, people on here are usually so level-headed and rational. Then you talk about taking junk food away and it's all "screw the nanny state! deck chairs on the titanic!" Laz logs in.

FTFY.

At least on Friday nights. ;)

427 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:36:37am

re: #424 iossarian

Seriously, people on here are usually so level-headed and rational. Then you talk about taking junk food away and it's all "screw the nanny state! deck chairs on the titanic!"

Have you considered that you may not actually be being level-headed about this?

428 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:36:46am

re: #424 iossarian

Seriously, people on here are usually so level-headed and rational. Then you talk about taking junk food away and it's all "screw the nanny state! deck chairs on the titanic!"

I just woke up. I smoke two packs a day. Haven't had a full cigarette in almost 24 hours. I also drink coffee every morning and don't have that either.

I'm being kind. I could give a rats ass about those idiots in San Francisco banning Happy Meal toys or whatever else they're doing.

429 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:37:41am

re: #412 wozzablog

nobody is saying you can't feed your kid nutritionally shit garbage - just that there shouldn't be a toy in the box the shit comes with.

How about putting the toy into the McSalad?

430 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:38:13am

re: #423 Obdicut

So you're admitting that your analogy with cigarettes was basically flawed?

No. Comparisons don't have to be exact, they have to show similarities. But you make a fair request below:

So try to have that reasonable debate without comparing fast food with cigarettes, which are only poisonous, and alcohol, which has severe behavior-altering properties. Compare fast food to something that makes sense in terms of health, like cheese.

OK, I will. If cheese companies were in a massive campaign to encourage kids to demand cheese all the time instead of healthier options, I would say that it would be reasonable to restrict that campaign.

431 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:38:24am

re: #428 Gus 802

I'm fine with them banning it. I just don't want anyone to be smug in the illusion that it's actually addressed the problem or done any significant amount of good whatsoever.

Corporations just got Citizen's United. They will probably get another ruling taking away their day in court against corporations. The factory farms are going to continue to chew up the environment, and their output will not be affected one whit by this ban.

432 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:38:40am

RoP blows up Peace Committee...
Pakistani Taliban claims responsibility for mosque strike

At least 50 people were killed and 80 others were wounded in the suicide attack that targeted anti-Taliban members at a mosque in northwestern Pakistan, said Shahid Ullah, a senior district government official.

The incident occurred in Darra Adam Khel, about 40 kilometers south of Peshawar, during Friday prayers, police said.

Police say an anti-Taliban, pro-government group known as a peace committee had formed in the area and the attack targeted some of its members.

433 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:39:12am

re: #429 Alouette

How about putting the toy into the McSalad?

This is exactly what the "ban" proposes - that the toy can only be used in meals that meet certain nutritional standards.

434 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:40:01am

re: #431 Obdicut

I'm fine with them banning it. I just don't want anyone to be smug in the illusion that it's actually addressed the problem or done any significant amount of good whatsoever.

Corporations just got Citizen's United. They will probably get another ruling taking away their day in court against corporations. The factory farms are going to continue to chew up the environment, and their output will not be affected one whit by this ban.

Yeah. On the crazy scale Citizen's United makes what I consider the "Happy Meal Bullshit" pale in comparison.

435 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:40:03am

there is zero nutritional value to small fries, re: #429 Alouette

How about putting the toy into the McSalad?

that'd be great.

436 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:41:01am

re: #430 iossarian

No. Comparisons don't have to be exact, they have to show similarities. But you make a fair request below:

OK, I will. If cheese companies were in a massive campaign to encourage kids to demand cheese all the time instead of healthier options, I would say that it would be reasonable to restrict that campaign.

Cheese companies are in a massive campaign to encourage kids to demand cheese.

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
Youtube Video
437 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:41:07am

re: #433 iossarian

This is exactly what the "ban" proposes - that the toy can only be used in meals that meet certain nutritional standards.

But of course it's more fun to debate the bogus talking point that the nanny state is taking my junk food away.

And on that note, BBL.

438 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:41:43am

Or this stupidity:

Obama's '$200 Million a Day' India Trip Myth - Anderson Cooper

439 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:41:50am

re: #437 iossarian

It's more fun, actually, to point out that you have no actual reason to believe this ban will result in a positive outcome that you desire.

440 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:41:54am

re: #436 Obdicut

Yup, and these commercials could eventually fall under the same "nutritional standards" regulations as the Happy Meal.

Really BBL now.

441 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:42:08am

Good morning lizards!

Some breaking news to start your day...

NASA Glenn Research Center on lockdown after reports of gunfire

CLEVELAND - Brook Park police have been called to NASA Glenn Research Center. NewsChannel5's Paul Kiska reported that at least eight cruisers are at the scene and emergency sirens are going off.

NewsChannel5 got reports that there is a gunman inside building 77. The building is on lockdown. There are two ambulances on standby. They are being kept at the main gate to the facility.

A viewer who has connections inside the building said there were reports of shots fired. An e-mail into newsnet5.com said he is communicating with someone in the building who said one person has been shot and the shooter currently unaccounted for.

A spokeswoman for NASA Glenn said that there is an unverified report of a possible activity involving a gun. Katherine Martin said Glenn is implementing proper action for employees and facilities. The whole center is on lockdown.

Several people are standing outside the building. They are not wearing coats.

No other information is being released.

442 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:43:10am

re: #439 Obdicut

It's more fun, actually, to point out that you have no actual reason to believe this ban will result in a positive outcome that you desire.

Oh, I think that the fact that the fast food lobby opposes the regulation tells you exactly what effect they think it will have. This is just Citizens' United on a smaller scale, and I'm surprised you're defending it.

Really really BBL.

443 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:44:08am

And Snopes was already on it:

Will President Obama's November 2010 trip to India cost the U.S. $200 million per day? [Link: bit.ly...]

444 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:45:04am

re: #440 iossarian

How about instead of fantasizing about being able to restrict advertising in a way that's obviously completely out of our reach because of decisions like Citizens United, we concentrate on the important stuff? When you have absolutely no idea whether or not the ban will produce the effect you desire, it is a foolish thing to support the ban. It uses political capital. There is not an infinite supply of that.

445 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:46:23am

re: #443 Gus 802

And Snopes was already on it:

Will President Obama's November 2010 trip to India cost the U.S. $200 million per day? [Link: bit.ly...]

Drudge headlines this morning are hilarious...

Coconuts removed from trees...

REPORT: US military to build kilometer-long bomb-proof tunnel - so Obama can go to Gandhi museum...

Visit criticized for 'over-the-top' spending...

446 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:46:58am

re: #442 iossarian

I'm surprised that you're either not bothering to read my comments or flat-out lying and saying I'm defending 'it', whatever 'it' is in that sentence to you.

I'm saying that these sorts of bans are wastes of political capital that do nothing to address serious problems and may not actually have any effect whatsoever.

You have descended very, very quickly to patronization and insults on this topic. I suggest you reconsider that.

447 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:47:30am

re: #445 Killgore Trout

and yet no amount of security spending was ever too much for the last president.

hmmmm.

448 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:48:14am

re: #438 Gus 802

Or this stupidity:

Obama's '$200 Million a Day' India Trip Myth - Anderson Cooper

34 Warships!
XD

449 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:48:25am

re: #445 Killgore Trout

Drudge headlines this morning are hilarious...

I was just looking at that. Methinks it's more bullshit. "Kilometer-long bomb-proof tunnel"?

The tunnel would be a kilometre long and measure 12ft by 12ft — enough to let Obama’s cavalcade pass through. The tunnel would be centrally air-conditioned, fitted with close-circuit television cameras, and will be heavily guarded at every point, including, of course, its entry and exit.

Oh brother.

450 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:49:12am

re: #449 Gus 802

I was just looking at that. Methinks it's more bullshit. "Kilometer-long bomb-proof tunnel"?

Oh brother.

ha!

451 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:49:39am

re: #449 Gus 802

I was just looking at that. Methinks it's more bullshit. "Kilometer-long bomb-proof tunnel"?

Oh brother.

Here's the whole article. Read it. It's rather pathetic.

It could give a sense of superior American organisation, or be an indicator of a deep-set persecution complex. It could also be a manifestation of Uncle Sam’s penchant for a show of strength.

The matter pertains to US president Barack Obama’s planned visit to Mani Bhavan —the Gandhi museum — on November 6, soon after he reaches Mumbai. On Monday, US secret agents visited the museum to plan Obama’s security detail.

They were accompanied by officers of Mumbai Police and civic officials of the D ward (where Mani Bhavan is located). While inspecting the route and the buildings lining up the route to the museum, the Americans detected a skyscraper near Peddar road and also found the area to be highly populated.

Since it is difficult to monitor such a congested area, they came up with a quick solution which left the Indians accompanying them amazed: A bomb-proof over-ground tunnel — to be installed by US military engineers in just an hour.

The tunnel would be a kilometre long and measure 12ft by 12ft — enough to let Obama’s cavalcade pass through. The tunnel would be centrally air-conditioned, fitted with close-circuit television cameras, and will be heavily guarded at every point, including, of course, its entry and exit.

Details about when exactly the tunnel would be made were not forthcoming. But officials said that the str

ucture would be dismantled immediately after Obama leaves the area.

452 Tigger2005  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:50:19am

I just saw that Sarah Palin has come out with a "It's morning in America" ad...

No, Sarah, that's the last flash of sunlight as the Enlightenment sinks below the horizon.

If you even know what the Enlightenment was.

453 Interesting Times  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:51:04am

re: #438 Gus 802

Or this stupidity:

Obama's '$200 Million a Day' India Trip Myth - Anderson Cooper

The right wing noise machine has raised "fool some of the people all of the time" to an absolute art form. Instead of being outraged at things that actually are outrageous (like Citizens United, and the RATS on the supreme court likely deciding to remove your right to file class action lawsuits), people are endlessly distracted with stupid, trivial boy-who-cried-wolf absurdities.

It's as if America is a room in which actual murders occurred, and there are actual bloodstains on the walls, but we can't see them because Fox/Breitbart/Limbaugh/the GOP spilled red paint over everything.

454 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:52:06am

re: #449 Gus 802

They're going to run into problems if they're measuring length in meters and width and height in feet, I can tell them that.

/

"Later that day, Obama will be enjoying meals literally ripped from the hands of starving peasants. Anyone who looks at him cross-eyed will be shot, and seven billion dollars will be spent on rain-dispersal technology so that as he emerges from the centrally-air conditioned tunnel (scented with myrrh at the blasphemous cost of seven million dollars) the sunlight will strike his face."

455 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:52:38am

re: #453 publicityStunted

The right wing noise machine has raised "fool some of the people all of the time" to an absolute art form. Instead of being outraged at things that actually are outrageous (like Citizens United, and the RATS on the supreme court likely deciding to remove your right to file class action lawsuits), people are endlessly distracted with stupid, trivial boy-who-cried-wolf absurdities.

It's as if America is a room in which actual murders occurred, and there are actual bloodstains on the walls, but we can't see them because Fox/Breitbart/Limbaugh/the GOP spilled red paint over everything.

quit telling americans what to be outraged about.

don't you know we have corporate media shills for that.

why do you want to increase the unemployment rate by doing their job for them?..........

456 Tigger2005  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:53:06am

re: #454 Obdicut

They're going to run into problems if they're measuring length in meters and width and height in feet, I can tell them that.

/

"Later that day, Obama will be enjoying meals literally ripped from the hands of starving peasants. Anyone who looks at him cross-eyed will be shot, and seven billion dollars will be spent on rain-dispersal technology so that as he emerges from the centrally-air conditioned tunnel (scented with myrrh at the blasphemous cost of seven million dollars) the sunlight will strike his face."

That's outrageous!!!
//

457 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:53:18am

re: #454 Obdicut

They're going to run into problems if they're measuring length in meters and width and height in feet, I can tell them that.

/

"Later that day, Obama will be enjoying meals literally ripped from the hands of starving peasants. Anyone who looks at him cross-eyed will be shot, and seven billion dollars will be spent on rain-dispersal technology so that as he emerges from the centrally-air conditioned tunnel (scented with myrrh at the blasphemous cost of seven million dollars) the sunlight will strike his face."

Yeah, and it's going to be air conditioned.

//The wingnuts will believe every word though.

458 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:54:26am

re: #457 Gus 802

Yeah, and it's going to be air conditioned.

//The wingnuts will believe every word though.

and installed in just an hour.............

459 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:55:04am

re: #429 Alouette

How about putting the toy into the McSalad?

I say put live scorpions and centipedes in Happy Meals.

460 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:55:26am

re: #458 wozzablog

and installed in just an hour...

Oh shit. The Daily Mail has all of the myths on one page.

461 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:56:19am

Daily Mail is a wingnut favorite though.

462 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:56:45am

re: #457 Gus 802

What I can believe:

US army engineers can slap down a big bombproof tunnel, throw in some closed circuit cameras, and have it be ventilated.

Then they'll dismantle it and use it again, and again, over and over, rather than ritually burning it. Because obviously this thing, if it exists, already exists and isn't being created by Army wizards out of the fundament.

463 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:58:31am

re: #461 Gus 802

Daily Mail is a wingnut favorite though.

one of those media outlets where you can pretty much ignore anything they say is an outrage.

good example "man fined £5.000 for putting his bins out on the wrong day". - except he was fined £50 for the bins and £4,950 for none payment of fines after months of being an ass.

464 darthstar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:58:32am

re: #438 Gus 802

Or this stupidity:

Obama's '$200 Million a Day' India Trip Myth - Anderson Cooper

If it's stupid enough, you can assume that the anti-Obama people (and I mean all of them - no exceptions) will believe it at some level. The "more rational" ones will say "200million is a little high to believe, but I can't believe the president is taking a vacation in this economy" (of course, it's a diplomatic mission and G20 summit, not a vacation, but if he didn't go these same intelligent Obama critics would be upset that he wasn't representing America abroad).

465 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:58:39am

re: #429 Alouette

How about putting the toy into the McSalad?

Would be an interesting experiment to see if the salad sales went up and Happy Meal sales dropped in the same proportion.

466 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:59:03am

I really like the "guarded at both ends" part, as though that's some paranoid or weird thing.

"Nah, we don't normally put up any security for places the president is going to be. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?"

467 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:59:08am

re: #462 Obdicut

What I can believe:

US army engineers can slap down a big bombproof tunnel, throw in some closed circuit cameras, and have it be ventilated.

Then they'll dismantle it and use it again, and again, over and over, rather than ritually burning it. Because obviously this thing, if it exists, already exists and isn't being created by Army wizards out of the fundament.

Yeah.

Here's my take on it. There won't be any tunnel.

It's all urban terrain and if they were building a tunnel like that they better have been diggin 6 months ago.

468 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:59:53am

re: #465 oaktree

Some of their salads have more calories in them than the Big Macs, and are just as unhealthy.

Restricting stuff at the end-consumer level is really not the best way to address corporate malfeasance.

469 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:00:56am

re: #440 iossarian

Yup, and these commercials could eventually fall under the same "nutritional standards" regulations as the Happy Meal.

Really BBL now.

There's an idea. Commercials will be held to a new "intellectual nutritional" standard whereas all commercials must contain useful intellectual content.

470 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:01:03am

re: #445 Killgore Trout

Drudge headlines this morning are hilarious...

Election nearly wipes out white Southern Dems...
Earthquakes dog Clinton on overseas trips...
SHOWDOWN: FOXNEWS Turned Off At Local Gym...

471 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:01:08am

re: #467 Gus 802

Oh, I just figured it'd be an above-ground tunnel, like:

Image: Hartland%20Covered%20Bridge%202.jpg

Except not a covered bridge, obviously, unless the Army is going for style points.

472 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:01:29am

re: #468 Obdicut

Some of their salads have more calories in them than the Big Macs, and are just as unhealthy.

Restricting stuff at the end-consumer level is really not the best way to address corporate malfeasance.

the salads are fine. its the optional salad dressings that are the problem.

473 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:02:30am

re: #472 wozzablog

Sure. But people put the dressings on the salads, so the problem remains.

474 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:03:04am

re: #452 Tigger2005

I just saw that Sarah Palin has come out with a "It's morning in America" ad...

No, Sarah, that's the last flash of sunlight as the Enlightenment sinks below the horizon.

In the West, towards Russia ya know...

475 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:03:12am

re: #471 Obdicut

Oh, I just figured it'd be an above-ground tunnel, like:

Image: Hartland%20Covered%20Bridge%202.jpg

Except not a covered bridge, obviously, unless the Army is going for style points.

Actually. I think I figured it out. Maybe.

It's going to be a cotton tunnel.

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

476 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:03:17am

re: #473 Obdicut

Sure. But people put the dressings on the salads, so the problem remains.

Only if they don't understand about the dressing.

477 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:06:36am

NASA gives 'all clear' signal at Ohio facility that was on lockdown, officials tell CNN.

478 darthstar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:06:42am

re: #471 Obdicut

Oh, I just figured it'd be an above-ground tunnel, like:

Image: Hartland%20Covered%20Bridge%202.jpg

Except not a covered bridge, obviously, unless the Army is going for style points.

It'll be a special, mobile, bomb proof kilometer long tunnel and they'll keep moving it along with the President so he never has to exit the tunnel. Every time he wants to turn a corner, at least 1/2 kilometer of homes and buildings in each direction will have to be destroyed to make way for the tunnel's progress.

479 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:07:38am

re: #476 wozzablog

Only if they don't understand about the dressing.

If they're eating at MacDonald's, they're not really showing that they understand nutritional stuff that well.

And besides, they have plenty of meat-laden 'salads'.

[Link: www.livestrong.com...]

Still 320 crappy, fat-filled calories.

[Link: www.livestrong.com...]

Better on the calories, but still cholesterol out the wazzoo and a nice bucket of fat.

480 Interesting Times  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:08:23am

re: #476 wozzablog

Only if they don't understand about the dressing.

I hate salad dressing, especially the thick, "creamy" varieties. Drowning crisp, fresh lettuce leaves in viscous, syrupy goo, thus rendering them limp and slimy? Delectable. /

481 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:09:01am

re: #475 Gus 802

I think it's probably some sort of security thingy that the Army engineers figured out a long time ago. probably got pioneered in the Green Zone in Iraq.

I really, really love the outrage about it being guarded at both entrances. That part is hilarious to me.

482 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:11:21am

re: #481 Obdicut

I think it's probably some sort of security thingy that the Army engineers figured out a long time ago. probably got pioneered in the Green Zone in Iraq.

I really, really love the outrage about it being guarded at both entrances. That part is hilarious to me.

Yeah, but he's going to be above ground everywhere else? Doesn't make any sense. Something got lost in translation. Plus, consider the source. This is more Drudge BS.

483 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:12:34am

re: #481 Obdicut

I think it's probably some sort of security thingy that the Army engineers figured out a long time ago. probably got pioneered in the Green Zone in Iraq.

I really, really love the outrage about it being guarded at both entrances. That part is hilarious to me.

It's actually a "idea plant" by the USAF so that some dictator will adapt it and use it for gallivanting around his capital with a false sense of security. Then, when we decide to finally overthrow him via military means we time the attack to correspond with one of his trips in the mobile tunnel/bunker and hit it with a nice "bunker buster" bomb. And since it's essentially a long reinforced container it will act very nicely to contain the blast and guarantee that said dictator and his entourage get mashed/incinerated.

How's that?

///

484 darthstar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:12:40am

re: #481 Obdicut

I think it's probably some sort of security thingy that the Army engineers figured out a long time ago. probably got pioneered in the Green Zone in Iraq.

I really, really love the outrage about it being guarded at both entrances. That part is hilarious to me.

Jet-pack wearing ninjas, too.

485 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:13:05am

re: #482 Gus 802

Oh, it's definitely BS. I'm just saying that even if they are putting up some security tunnel, so what? They're not building it out of child's skulls and unicorn hair.

Like a project that's twelve feet by twelve feet by a kilometer is a big deal to the Army engineers, or would require some expensive bespoke manufacturing.

486 Stanghazi  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:13:24am

NASA sources say reports of gunman in Cleveland facility was a 'drill' - NBC

487 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:13:25am

re: #412 wozzablog

nobody is saying you can't feed your kid nutritionally shit garbage - just that there shouldn't be a toy in the box the shit comes with.

I have to ask this, because I'm genuinely curious:

Why do you care if there is a toy that comes with the food I buy?

488 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:14:05am

Drudge's site's format sucks.

489 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:14:08am

re: #484 darthstar

I swear, Obama is so arrogant, demanding that he be guarded and that not every random person can come up to him when he's visiting the house of a man who was killed by a terrorist.

490 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:14:34am

re: #485 Obdicut

Oh, it's definitely BS. I'm just saying that even if they are putting up some security tunnel, so what? They're not building it out of child's skulls and unicorn hair.

Like a project that's twelve feet by twelve feet by a kilometer is a big deal to the Army engineers, or would require some expensive bespoke manufacturing.

Right. It's funny. I'm pretty sure most of the Drudge readers are wondering where in Indiana is the Gandhi museum.

491 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:14:54am

I'm not as nervous as some about the extremist gop taking power but Ron Paul scares the fuck out of me...

Youtube Video

He's a true believer and if he can destroy the economy he will. This is very dangerous.

492 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:15:17am

re: #488 Varek Raith

Drudge's site's format sucks.

Needs rainbow colors and flashing text.

//

493 darthstar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:15:18am

re: #483 oaktree

Smart corks dropped from Stealth Bombers. They're like smart bombs, only they're just big corks. We cork both ends of the tunnel and voila! Problem solved.

494 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:15:46am

re: #491 Killgore Trout

He's a True Believer.

The debt ceiling is going to be a fucking stressful, nailbiting time. If the GOP leadership makes any noise about not raising the ceiling, the economy is going to implode. Again.

495 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:16:12am

Oh. And during my reading last night some idiots said they're bringing 2 B-52s for Obama's trip.

They're on drugs. The wingnuts that is.

496 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:17:21am

GOP takes baby steps towads dramatic suicide

497 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:17:35am

re: #490 Gus 802

Right. It's funny. I'm pretty sure most of the Drudge readers are wondering where in Indiana is the Gandhi museum.

I guess they'd wonder why there is such a fuss about jobs being outsourced there. It's still in the United States...

498 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:17:39am

Alright. I need to dive back into work, and the comedy value of the wingnuts is starting to pall compared to the fact that they may very well trash our economy on principle very soon.

499 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:18:02am

re: #487 reine.de.tout

I have to ask this, because I'm genuinely curious:

Why do you care if there is a toy that comes with the food I buy?

I don't care. Its the san franciscans who do care (apparently).

Personally I don't like the idea of incentivinsing children to want to eat unhealthily is a good thing with the increase of diabetes and obesity in society.

I don't think there is a problem with the toy in the meal per-se, however - all things on moderation.

500 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:18:36am

re: #464 darthstar

Or that whatever military support being provided is not necessary. Should we forget that the Indian government has been under threat from Islamic terrorists from Pakistan including LeT and other Islamic terror groups that have carried out spectacular attacks including the Mumbai bombings/mass casualty attacks on the top hotels in Mumbai?

Considering that the 7th Fleet operates in the Indian Ocean, including off the coast of India (5th fleet operates in the Persian Gulf and part of the Indian Ocea) and would be available to provide logistics and support for AF1 and its support fleet of aircraft to protect the members of the G20. It's not inconceivable that some of those assets will supplement the Indian military's own forces, but those forces are already there. There's no way that 34 ships would be involved. I can envision a carrier task force being tasked to provide support, but that's not 34 ships. In fact, the 7th fleet (which includes coincidentally the USS John S. McCain) has fewer than 34 ships for all of its operational area (which includes all waters off the coast of Asia out to the central Pacific west of Hawaii).

Providing security for such a major gathering isn't cheap, but it's nowhere near $2 billion or even $200 million a day. The source of the $200 million a day claim is apparently an anonymous source reported by the Press Trust of India.

The more I think of this, the more I think someone screwed up with the conversion - 200 million rupees is roughly $4.5 million.

That cost would be more in line with 2009 G20 meeting costs in the UK, which ran about $30 million for the event for the host country. However, other G20 meeting security costs were far higher.

501 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:20:09am

re: #494 Obdicut

He's a True Believer.

The debt ceiling is going to be a fucking stressful, nailbiting time. If the GOP leadership makes any noise about not raising the ceiling, the economy is going to implode. Again.

I think they'll do it. As a whole they know that it would collapse the economy and they'll lose the next election. My concern with Paul is how much power he can wield on his own. If he can use his committee to undermine the Fed he will do it.

502 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:20:11am

Ugh. Another stupid sunny day in Denver.

503 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:21:31am

re: #502 Gus 802

Ugh. Another stupid sunny day in Denver.

i love Denver. Was there earlier in the year. It was a great place. The winter was milder than it was in london, eng.

504 darthstar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:21:48am

re: #489 Obdicut

I swear, Obama is so arrogant, demanding that he be guarded and that not every random person can come up to him when he's visiting the house of a man who was killed by a terrorist.

Truth be told, they'd be happy if he traveled without security.

505 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:22:47am

re: #503 wozzablog

i love Denver. Was there earlier in the year. It was a great place. The winter was milder than it was in london, eng.

Too much sun. I'm used to it though but it is boring. Denver weather is boring despite what people say.

506 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:23:03am

re: #499 wozzablog

I don't care. Its the san franciscans who do care (apparently).

Personally I don't like the idea of incentivinsing children to want to eat unhealthily is a good thing with the increase of diabetes and obesity in society.

I don't think there is a problem with the toy in the meal per-se, however - all things on moderation.

Honestly:
The toy was never the deciding factor for my daughter. In other words, she never said, "Let's go to Mcdonald's so I can get a toy". If we did go to McDonald's, the toy was a distraction that kept her quiet for a bit, while she ate.

Usually I got the meal to go, tossed the soft drink, got home and gave her the burger (bun and meat patty) with milk, then I gave her the fries if she at half the burger. Once she had eaten half the burger, she was usually not hungry enough to eat more than a couple of fries (rather than the whole thing).

People just need to use their heads.

507 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:25:01am

re: #506 reine.de.tout


People just need to use their heads.

Unfortunately more people don't. It's why the instances of child hood diabetes and obesity are on the rise.

508 calochortus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:25:59am

re: #499 wozzablog

I don't care. Its the san franciscans who do care (apparently).

Personally I don't like the idea of incentivinsing children to want to eat unhealthily is a good thing with the increase of diabetes and obesity in society.

I don't think there is a problem with the toy in the meal per-se, however - all things on moderation.

Actually, there is a problem. At least one study has shown that young children think foods associated with "licensed characters" actually taste better, so it is reasonable to assume these sorts of toys are a strong incentive to eat less healthy foods.


The study was conducted on forty 4-6 year olds and used three pairs of identical food. The food used in the study were graham crackers, gummy fruit snacks, and carrots. One half of each pair included a popular cartoon character and the other half did not. According to the results:

“Children significantly preferred the taste of foods that had popular cartoon characters on the packaging, compared with the same foods without characters. Most children selected the food sample with a licensed character on it for their snack.”

509 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:26:41am

re: #505 Gus 802

Too much sun. I'm used to it though but it is boring. Denver weather is boring despite what people say.

I enjoyed the sun - it made a nice change. The blazing sun with the lowish temps was a nice combo for me.
I like the sun but hate heat.

510 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:26:52am

re: #500 lawhawk

The 34 ships has already been debunked. It was obvious from the beginning that it was false. They didn't send out a specific task force to the area. Reason being is because they're already there and one being the USS Abraham Lincoln.

511 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:27:17am

re: #508 calochortus

Actually, there is a problem. At least one study has shown that young children think foods associated with "licensed characters" actually taste better, so it is reasonable to assume these sorts of toys are a strong incentive to eat less healthy foods.

I have a great incentive for the kid to not eat unhealthy Happy Meals... the parent says NO. Novel?

512 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:27:40am

When my kids where younger, they definitely wanted the toy. I buy the Madame Alexander Happy meal dolls by themselves to sell them on Ebay.
So there is a toy, meh. What my kids really want are the french fries.

513 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:27:53am

Wingnuts are funny. You'll get one guy that was in the Navy for 20 years fixing radios but on the internet he's an admiral.

//

514 Stanghazi  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:27:54am

Police: NASA employee got an automated security test call saying there's a man with a gun, but didn't hear the message say "this is a test"

oops

515 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:28:19am

re: #511 Walter L. Newton

I have a great incentive for the kid to not eat unhealthy Happy Meals... the parent says NO. Novel?

If the parent knows basic nutrition - far too many don't though.

516 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:31:19am

re: #514 Stanley Sea

Police: NASA employee got an automated security test call saying there's a man with a gun, but didn't hear the message say "this is a test"

oops

Obama's fault!

/Wingnut

/

517 laZardo  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:33:51am

re: #500 lawhawk

It's interesting how India is turning to just about everyone for investing in security technology. Russia for fighter jets, Israel for other weapons, etc.

518 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:35:57am

re: #515 wozzablog

If the parent knows basic nutrition - far too many don't though.

There is nutritional information on labels, there are public services ads on the radio and TV, there are food pyramids, food squares, food polygons and 14 dimensional food cubes... there are food lunch programs, teachers, there are labels and information in English, Spanish and French... there is certainly enough information out there for most people to be at least nominally informed of what is good for you and what is not good for you (in moderation).

What are you suggesting... the American public is stupid, not capable of understanding something... stupid... they need some nanny to hold their hands and show them how to get up every day, feed their kids, put on their clothes, educate them...

Next you'll be suggesting we make certain foods or combinations of food illegal... oh wait...

I have an idea... if it tastes good... spit it out.

519 calochortus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:36:43am

re: #511 Walter L. Newton

I have a great incentive for the kid to not eat unhealthy Happy Meals... the parent says NO. Novel?

Great idea. We occasionally went to McDonalds, but not often. It worked fine for us. I don't know how many kids you have, and how you handled it,but marketing to young children is, by and large, quite effective and a lot of people don't give a lot of thought to what is in fast food. Its quick, easy, cheap, and makes the kid happy. That's as far as the thought goes. I haven't given a lot of thought to such laws, but they aren't banning fast food for children, just removing an incentive to buy it. It doesn't seem draconian.

520 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:42:01am

re: #519 calochortus

Great idea. We occasionally went to McDonalds, but not often. It worked fine for us. I don't know how many kids you have, and how you handled it,but marketing to young children is, by and large, quite effective and a lot of people don't give a lot of thought to what is in fast food. Its quick, easy, cheap, and makes the kid happy. That's as far as the thought goes. I haven't given a lot of thought to such laws, but they aren't banning fast food for children, just removing an incentive to buy it. It doesn't seem draconian.

As soon as I see the government remove cigarettes from the open market... I'll start considering rules and regulations on marketing and foods.

521 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:42:50am

re: #512 prairiefire

When my kids where younger, they definitely wanted the toy. I buy the Madame Alexander Happy meal dolls by themselves to sell them on Ebay.
So there is a toy, meh. What my kids really want are the french fries.

Which is why I would put the fries to the side; and allow them only when half the burger had been eaten.

522 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:43:16am

Opinions needed...

Thinking of going to see "Salt" at the discount cinema today... short of spoilers (and no, I don't care if Jolie is hot)... how's the movie?

523 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:43:31am

re: #511 Walter L. Newton

I have a great incentive for the kid to not eat unhealthy Happy Meals... the parent says NO. Novel?

That used to happen all the time when I was a kid. I'd go off and start begging for something or to go somewhere in "Pennsylvania Dutch Country" and my parents would say NO!

524 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:44:43am

Happy Meal Nutrition Information

525 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:45:36am

re: #522 Walter L. Newton

Opinions needed...

Thinking of going to see "Salt" at the discount cinema today... short of spoilers (and no, I don't care if Jolie is hot)... how's the movie?

I didn't see it, but daughter did.
She fell asleep.

526 laZardo  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:45:58am

re: #522 Walter L. Newton

Opinions needed...

Thinking of going to see "Salt" at the discount cinema today... short of spoilers (and no, I don't care if Jolie is hot)... how's the movie?

Not exactly TEH SPECTACULAR, but it makes for okay summer popcorn fare with a few decent twists.

527 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:46:40am

re: #525 reine.de.tout

re: #526 laZardo

Thanks... I guess I can go and eat and then sleep:)

528 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:47:35am

re: #527 Walter L. Newton

re: #526 laZardo

Thanks... I guess I can go and eat and then sleep:)

Review at RottenTomatoes.

No spoilers.

529 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:47:38am

It should be legal to forcibly remove with poultry shears the lips of persistent workplace whistlers. That is all.

530 calochortus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:48:13am

re: #520 Walter L. Newton

As soon as I see the government remove cigarettes from the open market... I'll start considering rules and regulations on marketing and foods.

Great. Perfection in all areas or nothing. Whatever.

531 webevintage  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:48:32am

Why do TeaGOP Party types hate the Department of Education and always say we should get rid of it?
This is a serious question, not being sarcastic...

532 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:49:11am

re: #514 Stanley Sea

Police: NASA employee got an automated security test call saying there's a man with a gun, but didn't hear the message say "this is a test"

oops

Worse has happened. In the early 70s the Emergency Broacast net accidentally sent a valid attack warning, and no one reacted. I love the code word for the end of civilization.

[Link: conelrad.blogspot.com...]

533 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:50:45am

re: #531 webevintage

Why do TeaGOP Party types hate the Department of Education and always say we should get rid of it?
This is a serious question, not being sarcastic...

Because it's a failure, like everything else the government does. Our kids would be intelligenter if only their parents could teach them about the 6,000 year old earth...

534 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:51:09am

re: #518 Walter L. Newton

There is nutritional information on labels, there are public services ads on the radio and TV, there are food pyramids, food squares, food polygons and 14 dimensional food cubes... there are food lunch programs, teachers, there are labels and information in English, Spanish and French... there is certainly enough information out there for most people to be at least nominally informed of what is good for you and what is not good for you (in moderation).

What are you suggesting... the American public is stupid, not capable of understanding something... stupid... they need some nanny to hold their hands and show them how to get up every day, feed their kids, put on their clothes, educate them...

Next you'll be suggesting we make certain foods or combinations of food illegal... oh wait...

I have an idea... if it tastes good... spit it out.

i haven't suggested making certain food combos illegal.

Is the american public "stupid" - your word - no more than they are in the UK or any other nation with a rising and looming public health crisis.

[Link: www.nourishinteractive.com...]

535 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:51:14am

Oh, 180-day-old Happy Meal, why won’t you rot?

“My friend said that was crazy, and that I should not believe everything I read online,” Davies recalled. “He believed it would mold or rot within two to three days if left out on the counter.”

So, Davies and her friend decided to bet on it. She bought a Happy Meal and brought it home on April 10. Her plan: Photograph the meal daily, send the pictures to her friend and win a bet.

She began posting her Happy Meal photos on Facebook and Flickr — and it soon became clear that this was going to be one tedious photography project. So, she started photographing the burger and fries every week or two instead of daily.

About four months into the project, the world began to notice. Davies has been stunned by the attention received for her little project to entertain her friends and win a bet.

Along the line, some have wondered whether the photos are in fact real. Could it be that this is some kind of a hoax?

“All I can say is that this hamburger has been sitting in my living room for over 180 days,” Davies said. “Go buy your own and take it home and put it on your book shelf and call me in a week. You will see that I didn’t make this up.”

536 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:51:21am

I've seen people take their kids into liquor stores.

Bad idea.

537 calochortus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:51:29am

re: #531 webevintage

Why do TeaGOP Party types hate the Department of Education and always say we should get rid of it?
This is a serious question, not being sarcastic...

I think it has to do with getting the Federal government out of local issues and the reduction of bureaucracy and "red tape". Also it is relatively new and therefore suspect.

538 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:51:46am

Marijuana should not be smoked until the person reaches age 21.

539 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:51:56am

re: #528 reine.de.tout

Review at RottenTomatoes.

No spoilers.

Thanks... sound like a really "busy" movie, with a far-fetched plot, and a lot of macho (er... macha?)... sounds like getaway material... may be fun... for 2.50, can't be a total waste.

540 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:52:30am

re: #535 goddamnedfrank

Oh, 180-day-old Happy Meal, why won’t you rot?

perfectly normal - nothing to see here, move along.

541 Jadespring  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:54:19am

Growing up we occasionally got to go to McDonald's for a Happy Meal. It was considered a treat and put into the same category as getting candy, pop, chips and sugary cereal. Didn't happen to often though of course when it did it was exciting. We were given the message that it was pretty much junk and only for the occasional consumption. I chose to have a few birthday parties in the McDonald's caboose. We only got any of that stuff on special occasions, usually some sort of holiday or party. The only time we got a sugary cereal for instance was for Christmas morning.

542 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:54:55am

re: #536 Gus 802

I've seen people take their kids into liquor stores.

Bad idea.

Probably... but at the same time... my Dad use to take me into the neighborhood bar in Brooklyn, in those days a lot of bars would have a free luncheon spread, I was well aware of the difference... this was a bar... the booze is for adults... the food and cokes are for everyone... and you don't drink this stuff until you are of legal age... and I never did... it was clear to me.

Wasn't hard to instill those rules in me.

543 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:54:57am

Parents raise children. Not city council.

544 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:55:05am

re: #531 webevintage

Why do TeaGOP Party types hate the Department of Education and always say we should get rid of it?
This is a serious question, not being sarcastic...

They think it's am over reach of Federal government. They don't like national education standards because they want to teach creationism in science class. They also oppose what they see as liberal bias in history classes.

545 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:56:37am

re: #544 Killgore Trout

They think it's am over reach of Federal government. They don't like national education standards because they want to teach creationism in science class. They also oppose what they see as liberal bias in history classes.

not helped by pseudo intellectual hacks like David Horowitz ginning up the "concern".

546 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:56:37am

Full Metal Jacket: The Jelly Doughnut

Youtube Video
547 laZardo  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:56:51am

re: #535 goddamnedfrank

Oh, 180-day-old Happy Meal, why won’t you rot?

I saw the extras after Supersize Me. I swear those fries will survive a nuclear apocalypse.

548 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:57:24am

re: #543 Gus 802

Parents raise children. Not city council.

We're on the same page today, at least on this issue... what happened :)

549 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:58:10am

re: #548 Walter L. Newton

We're on the same page today, at least on this issue... what happened :)

The Rally to Restore Sanity worked.

550 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:58:54am

re: #548 Walter L. Newton

We're on the same page today, at least on this issue... what happened :)

I've go limits you know. I actually hate taxes and think the IRS is a bunch of pricks. True story! ;)

551 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:59:02am

re: #546 Gus 802

Soundboard from FMJ.

552 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:00:08am

re: #549 Decatur Deb

The Rally to Restore Sanity worked.

Didn't have any fucking effect on me... don't even like Stewart or Colbert... what's a good word... ah... smug...

I think I'm talking common sense here...

553 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:00:47am

anyways, laters.

554 Jadespring  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:01:05am

re: #552 Walter L. Newton

Didn't have any fucking effect on me... don't even like Stewart or Colbert... what's a good word... ah... smug...

I think I'm talking common sense here...

Common sense is relative.

555 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:01:40am

re: #552 Walter L. Newton

Didn't have any fucking effect on me... don't even like Stewart or Colbert... what's a good word... ah... smug...

I think I'm talking common sense here...

Same ding, mon.

556 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:02:00am

BIAB...

557 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:02:21am

Crazy Pam is outraged.....
Obama's Department of [In]Justice and Sharia Prosecutes Infidels for "Hate" Speech Crimes

And so it begins. This is an outrage. An infidel was prosecuted by Obama's Department of Justice and sent to jail for a year for saying in an email that he would “do WHATEVER it takes to eradicate Islam.” So what? A year in prison? A $3,000 fine?
...
The prosecution of Sobolevskiy is by far the worst, and Judge David G. Bernthal, referring to the defendant’s crime as “an act of terror,” is in need of immediate removal. Nuts.

I do not advocate for violence or ugly email missives, but a year in jail for them? This is something altogether different. The Department of Justice is enforcing sharia and abandoning rule of law.


The story is here: Washington - Maryland Man Sentenced To 1 Year For Sending Threatening Email to Illinois Mosque

558 webevintage  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:02:26am

re: #536 Gus 802

I've seen people take their kids into liquor stores.

Bad idea.

Why?
Would it be better to leave them sitting in the car on a hot summer day?
We've never hid our liquor or pretended we didn't drink with our kid and even though he is 18 now he is still not stealing our booze even though it is right there on the shelf in the kitchen and beer is in the fridge.
When I was a kid we were at the VFW hall a lot and could go up to the bar and get a "Shirley Temple" if I wanted.

559 calochortus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:02:51am

re: #554 Jadespring

Common sense is relative.

I run the other way as fast as I can when someone (like a politician) brings up "common sense solutions".

560 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:04:50am

re: #558 webevintage

Why?
Would it be better to leave them sitting in the car on a hot summer day?
We've never hid our liquor or pretended we didn't drink with our kid and even though he is 18 now he is still not stealing our booze even though it is right there on the shelf in the kitchen and beer is in the fridge.
When I was a kid we were at the VFW hall a lot and could go up to the bar and get a "Shirley Temple" if I wanted.

I grew up sitting on the bar in a family "grill", watching the Sat Night Fights on B&W TV. I barely drink and don't box. (DT's in the family helped.)

561 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:05:06am

re: #559 calochortus

I run the other way as fast as I can when someone (like a politician) brings up "common sense solutions".

It's easy to be afraid of something you have no clue about.

562 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:05:29am

Warning. If anyone visits Pam's site today be prepared. She's posting blood and gore pics again.

563 calochortus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:06:18am

re: #561 Walter L. Newton

OK, I walked right into that one. Maybe I need more coffee this morning.

565 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:11:50am

re: #564 laZardo

Can The Twilight Saga (Literally) Stop A Bullet?


[Video]

I'll remember this video the next time I worry if I have too much free time on my hands.

567 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:16:48am

re: #562 Killgore Trout

Warning. If anyone visits Pam's site today be prepared. She's posting blood and gore pics again.

I just noticed this on her page:

We will raise the voting age to 21. Military excluded. If "children" are still on their parents health-care at 26, maybe 21 is too low.

When the hell did this become an issue?

568 laZardo  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:19:30am

re: #565 JasonA

At least he's doing some good for the world. q;

569 Jadespring  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:20:36am

re: #547 laZardo

I saw the extras after Supersize Me. I swear those fries will survive a nuclear apocalypse.

When I started making more of my own bread one of the things I had to get used to was the difference between it and typical grocery store bread in how long it takes to go bad and get moldly, especially in the summer months.

570 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:23:33am

re: #569 Jadespring

When I started making more of my own bread one of the things I had to get used to was the difference between it and typical grocery store bread in how long it takes to go bad and get moldly, especially in the summer months.

The Army's Natick Labs does the research work on MREs. For years, the Holy Grail was a peanut butter-and-jelly sandwich that would stay edible for a few years. I don't think they made it.

571 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:38:08am

re: #544 Killgore Trout

They think it's am over reach of Federal government. They don't like national education standards because they want to teach creationism in science class. They also oppose what they see as liberal bias in history classes.

The Dept of Ed has nothing to do with those things.
Those things are determined by local school boards.

I'm flummoxed by the determination of some to pound the Dept of Ed and call for its abolishment. It's not a huge agency. It has minimal influence. It keeps records and statistics, and disseminates information and grant funds.

572 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:52:51am

re: #571 reine.de.tout

The Dept of Ed has nothing to do with those things.
Those things are determined by local school boards.

I'm flummoxed by the determination of some to pound the Dept of Ed and call for its abolishment. It's not a huge agency. It has minimal influence. It keeps records and statistics, and disseminates information and grant funds.

My boss is convinced that the DOE inflicts a pile of "unfunded mandates" on schools. Therefore he wants it abolished. I didn't go deeper since it was neither the time nor place to get into a politics discussion with him.

573 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:16:41am

re: #567 JasonA

I just noticed this on her page:

When the hell did this become an issue?

The young tend to be more liberal. That's why she takes that position.

574 JeffFX  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:42:20pm

re: re: #567 JasonA

Pam:We will raise the voting age


I love how the mentally ill talk about what "we" will do. I see it a lot on the internet, and there is no "we" to do anything. Just a sad, delusional individual with maybe a handful of pathetic followers. Yet they think they're in charge of something.


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