Breaking: Keith Olbermann Suspended from MSNBC Indefinitely

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News is just coming in that MSNBC President Phil Griffin has suspended Keith Olbermann indefinitely without pay, for making political contributions to three Democratic candidates…

UPDATE at 11/5/10 11:01:30 am:

CNN reports:

(CNN) - Keith Olbermann, MSNBC’s primetime firebrand host, has been suspended indefinitely for violating the ethics policies of his employer earlier this year when he donated to three Democrats seeking federal office, MSNBC announced Friday.

“I became aware of Keith’s political contributions late last night. Mindful of NBC News policy and standards, I have suspended him indefinitely without pay,” MSNBC President Phil Griffin said in a statement. …

The contributions may have violated an NBC policy that requires employers of the news organization to obtain permission ahead of any political donations or activities that could be deemed as a conflict of interest. CNN institutes a similar policy.

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514 comments
1 Kragar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:50:55am

And the wingnut blog gloatfest begins...NOW.

2 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:51:10am

Compare this to:

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

FoxPAC: Fox News' corporate parent gave Republican Governors Association $1 million

3 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:52:19am

For the record, I think Olberman was a blowhard who often did a disservice to good arguments by making them personal.

But anyone gloating over this is going to have to consider that MSNBC is acting with integrity here.

Which goes rather wildly against the actions of Fox.

4 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:53:11am
MSNBC political personality Keith Olbermann is getting some attention today for donating to three Congressional campaigns. Among them, Southern Arizona’s own Democratic Reps. Raúl Grijalva and Gabrielle Giffords.

The left-leaning cable talk show host gave the maximum individual contribution of $2,400 to each of them, plus Senate candidate Jack Conway, who lost the Kentucky seat to Rand Paul.

[...]

5 webevintage  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:53:32am

Huh?

6 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:54:05am

re: #3 Obdicut

Mhm. I think this is well-deserved. Apparently it wasn't against their rules for him to do it, but he was supposed to disclose it to MSNBC first. Honestly, I won't even talk about the Fox contributions. This blog has been over that ad nauseum.

7 jaunte  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:56:09am

Time for everyone to incorporate.

8 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:56:23am

re: #4 wrenchwench

Holy shit, it's true. How the hell did I miss that one? So glad I don't live in Kentucky right now.

9 SteveC  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:56:49am
News is just coming in that MSNBC President Phil Griffin has suspended Keith Olbermann indefinitely without pay, for making political contributions to three Democratic candidates…

No matter your political stance, that is a HOLY SHIT! moment.

10 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:56:54am

re: #7 jaunte

Time for everyone to incorporate.

That Jon Stewart skit is starting to seem like a really good idea.

11 Slap  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:56:57am

Well, maybe he'll go back to what he does best -- sportscasting. I remember being incredibly disappointed that he switched to non-sports.

12 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:57:09am

Anybody who loves AZ SB1070 hates Raul Grijalva and Gabrielle Giffords. Grijalva barely won, and Gifford's race is still too close to call.

13 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:58:15am

This is making non sense to me. I get why Juan Williams was released from further service from NPR since his position was supposed to be neutral in his reporting. However, KO was never neutral nor was there any such intent. His show and commentary was always representative of the left/progressive viewpoint. Is MSNBC claiming some kind of bizarro conflict of interest?

14 Kragar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:58:41am

Republicans haven't controlled as many state legislatures since 1928.

Of course we all know what happened the next year.

15 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:59:20am

re: #8 Slumbering Behemoth

Holy shit, it's true. How the hell did I miss that one? So glad I don't live in Kentucky right now.

I'm glad I don't live in Arizona, which was under consideration when I moved to New Mexico.

16 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:00:47am

re: #13 allegro

It does seem odd. It's not like he maintained any pretense of being unbiased. Perhaps there is more to this than MSNBC is letting on.

17 webevintage  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:00:48am

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Republicans haven't controlled as many state legislatures since 1928.

Of course we all know what happened the next year.

The poor and working class in this country are in for a world of hurt for the foreseeable future.

18 rwmofo  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:02:25am

Yawn. They'll sort it out over the weekend, hug it out and everything will look the same there as it did yesterday.

19 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:02:47am

re: #13 allegro

This is making non sense to me. I get why Juan Williams was released from further service from NPR since his position was supposed to be neutral in his reporting. However, KO was never neutral nor was there any such intent. His show and commentary was always representative of the left/progressive viewpoint. Is MSNBC claiming some kind of bizarro conflict of interest?

See the update above -- apparently, he violated MSNBC's ethics policy.

(Fox News has no ethics policy, or if they do it's routinely ignored.)

20 insanity police  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:02:51am

Wait, he was a democrat?

21 Kragar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:03:41am

re: #17 webevintage

The poor and working class in this country are in for a world of hurt for the foreseeable future.

Leader of Senate: All fellow members of the Roman senate hear me. Shall we continue to build palace after palace for the rich? Or shall we aspire to a more noble purpose and build decent housing for the poor? How does the senate vote?
Entire Senate: FUCK THE POOR!

22 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:03:59am

Now if they can get rid of that jackass Ed Shultz and expand Rachel Maddow to 3 hours, that would be a win!

23 webevintage  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:04:25am

re: #19 Charles

See the update above -- apparently, he violated MSNBC's ethics policy.

(Fox News has no ethics policy, or if they do it's routinely ignored.)

Obviously or Bill O would not have a job there.
(i mean really is sexual harassment not a reason to fire someone at FOX?)

24 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:04:37am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Leader of Senate: All fellow members of the Roman senate hear me. Shall we continue to build palace after palace for the rich? Or shall we aspire to a more noble purpose and build decent housing for the poor? How does the senate vote?
Entire Senate: FUCK THE POOR!

History of the World Part II?

25 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:05:23am

waiting for Sarah Palin to defend Keith's freedom of speech...

26 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:05:37am

re: #2 Obdicut

Compare this to:

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

FoxPAC: Fox News' corporate parent gave Republican Governors Association $1 million

Just what I was going to say. At Fox, they pre-deduct your "contribution" from your pay I'll bet.

27 Cineaste  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:05:45am

I love that Fox News has no ethics policy.

28 Intenzity  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:06:02am

He will not lose his show for this.

Prediction:
He will sit out for a week, MSNBC will say they reviewed all his broadcasts and found that there was no bias in his coverage of those particular races or candidates, he did not help influence the election in that way.

He will do a special commentary admitting he was wrong and then he will be back on the air in....say, a week.

29 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:06:23am

re: #25 JasonA

waiting for Sarah Palin to defend Keith's freedom of speech...

Will Sarah Palin refudiate MSNBC's actions against Keith Olbermann?

//

30 Kragar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:06:28am

re: #24 PT Barnum

History of the World Part II?

Part I

31 fire at night  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:06:28am

I would laugh very heartily if he got offered a job by Fox News and took it.

32 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:06:35am

re: #19 Charles

(Fox News has no ethics policy)

That looks right.

33 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:07:19am

I first started watching Keith during the 2008 election season. While I thought he was funny at times, I stopped watching when it became obvious that he had let his ego get away from him. The pseudo-Murrow farewell, the over blown Special Comments, and the pretension just got to me after while. He deserves kudos for introducing Rachel Maddow to the world, as she is one of the best people out there for pointing out the absurdity of what is going on in politics right now.

34 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:07:59am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Part I

I was hoping for a part II

35 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:08:13am

now any political contributions made by any other on-air news and opinion personalities working for, ah... any other networks... can be considered relevant news items

36 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:08:25am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Part I

It's good to be da king!

37 Intenzity  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:08:32am

re: #33 PT Barnum

I first started watching Keith during the 2008 election season. While I thought he was funny at times...

Why is everyone writing eulogies?

He ain't gonna get fired.

38 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:09:28am

re: #33 PT Barnum

Keith satisfies the angry liberal in me at times, I won't lie. But it seems like he's getting what he deserves with this. I doubt it'll last long.

39 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:09:30am

re: #37 Intenzity

Can I borrow your psychic rock when you're done with it?

40 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:09:50am

re: #31 fire at night

I would laugh very heartily if he got offered a job by Fox News and took it.

Buddy cop movie: Hannity & Olberman FTW!
/For The Weird

41 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:10:11am

re: #17 webevintage

The poor and working class in this country are in for a world of hurt for the foreseeable future.

That's more serious than you latch on to. GOP economic theories have only gotten more crazy since then. Paul is in charge of the Fed for G-d's sake.

Let's get it clear, GOP pro business means making certain that pesky laws or mere morality do not get in the way of squeezing out that last cent of profit, this quarter, and fuck the future.

They gave us the SnL crisis, the largest deficits in our history, the Wall Street crash, Enron and a whole lot more.

Right now they are going to see how much more the environment can be utterly destroyed. They will have their profits and you will have less arable land and drinking water - but what economy has things like food and water at its base? Silly liberals think that you need those things to sustain a nation.

42 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:10:29am

Drudge linking to Alex Jones again

DETAILS: TSA Fondles Women, Children Refusing Airport Naked Body Scanners...
43 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:10:29am

re: #25 JasonA

waiting for Sarah Palin to defend Keith's freedom of speech...

I want to see all those who were leaping to defend Juan Williams leap forwards for Olbermann.

Oh wait:
[Link: hotair.com...]

They're busy talking about his hypocrisy, and conflating Fox News corporate donations with his personal ones.

Huge surprise.

44 Kragar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:10:35am

re: #34 PT Barnum

I was hoping for a part II

SEE...
A Viking Funeral.
Hitler...ON ICE!
JEWS...IN...SPACE!

Youtube Video
45 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:11:04am

via atrios @ eschaton

BUCHANAN, PATRICK
MCLEAN,VA 22101 SELF/COLUMNIST/WRITER 7/29/06 $1,000 Mountjoy, Richard (R)
BUCHANAN, PATRICK
MC LEAN,VA 22101 POLITICAL COMMENTATOR 5/31/05 $250 Allen, George (R)
BUCHANAN, PATRICK J
MCLEAN,VA 22101 SELF/AUTHOR/WRITER 12/26/07 $500 Schiffer, Paul R (R)
BUCHANAN, PATRICK J MR
MCLEAN,VA 22101 SELF EMPLOYED/POLITICAL COMMONTATOR 3/12/08 $250 Jones, Walter B Jr (R)
BUCHANAN, PATRICK J MR
MCLEAN,VA 22101 SELF EMPLOYED AND VARIOUS MEDIA COM 4/21/05 $250 America First National Cmte (3)

46 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:11:32am

I keep coming back to the fact that now corporations are people with unlimited free speech/money but now people aren't people with even limited free speech/money.

I swear I feel like I woke up in alternate universe. Or something.

47 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:11:58am

re: #45 engineer dog

He's a Republican though.

48 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:12:52am

re: #46 allegro

I keep coming back to the fact that now corporations are people with unlimited free speech/money but now people aren't people with even limited free speech/money.

I swear I feel like I woke up in alternate universe. Or something.

Our sky is blue. What color are you expecting to see?

49 jaunte  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:13:10am

re: #45 engineer dog

Comparing his contributions to Obermann's makes Buchanan seems like a cheapskate.

50 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:14:05am

re: #45 engineer dog

via atrios @ eschaton

BUCHANAN, PATRICK
MCLEAN,VA 22101 SELF/COLUMNIST/WRITER 7/29/06 $1,000 Mountjoy, Richard (R)
BUCHANAN, PATRICK
MC LEAN,VA 22101 POLITICAL COMMENTATOR 5/31/05 $250 Allen, George (R)
BUCHANAN, PATRICK J
MCLEAN,VA 22101 SELF/AUTHOR/WRITER 12/26/07 $500 Schiffer, Paul R (R)
BUCHANAN, PATRICK J MR
MCLEAN,VA 22101 SELF EMPLOYED/POLITICAL COMMONTATOR 3/12/08 $250 Jones, Walter B Jr (R)
BUCHANAN, PATRICK J MR
MCLEAN,VA 22101 SELF EMPLOYED AND VARIOUS MEDIA COM 4/21/05 $250 America First National Cmte (3)

From the FEC:

BUCHANAN, PATRICK
MC LEAN, VA 22101
POLITICAL COMMENTATOR

ALLEN, GEORGE
VIA FRIENDS OF GEORGE ALLEN
05/31/2005 250.00 25020252574

BUCHANAN, PATRICK
MC LEAN, VA 22101
SELF-EMPLOYED/POLITICAL COMMENTAT

BENTLEY, HELEN DELICH
VIA BENTLEY FOR CONGRESS INC
08/08/2002 250.00 22992040027

BUCHANAN, PATRICK
MCLEAN, VA 22101

BUCHANAN, PATRICK J
VIA BUCHANAN REFORM INC
03/31/2005 0.00 26950270899
03/31/2005 0.00 25971194171
03/31/2005 0.00 26950054005
03/31/2005 26000.00 25990982708
03/31/2005 26000.00 25970598020

BUCHANAN, PATRICK
MCLEAN, VA 22101
SELF/COLUMNIST/WRITER

MOUNTJOY, RICHARD L
VIA MOUNTJOY FOR US SENATE
07/29/2006 1000.00 26020891637

BUCHANAN, PATRICK
MCLEAN, VA 22209

BUCHANAN, PATRICK J
VIA BUCHANAN REFORM INC
03/06/2000 -500.00 20990101613
03/06/2000 -500.00 20990101613

BUCHANAN, PATRICK J
MCLEAN, VA 22101
CNN

DROLESKEY, THOMAS A
VIA DROLESKEY FOR SENATE '98
09/01/1998 500.00 98020202461

BUCHANAN, PATRICK J
MCLEAN, VA 22101
POLITICAL COMMENTATOR

RAVOTTI, WILLIAM ANTHONY
VIA RAVOTTI FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
03/25/1997 250.00 97032164619

BUCHANAN, PATRICK J
MCLEAN, VA 22101
SELF/AUTHOR/WRITER

SCHIFFER, PAUL RAYMOND
VIA SCHIFFER FOR CONGRESS
12/26/2007 500.00 28039624752

BUCHANAN, PATRICK J MR
MCLEAN, VA 22101

SPADEA, BILL
VIA BILL SPADEA FOR CONGRESS
09/25/2004 250.00 24981357408

BUCHANAN, PATRICK J MR.
MCLEAN, VA 22101
PJB ENTERPRISES/COMMENTATOR

SPADEA, BILL
VIA BILL SPADEA FOR CONGRESS
03/15/2004 500.00 24991078335

BUCHANAN, PATRICK J.
MCLEAN, VA 22101

BUCHANAN, PATRICK J
VIA BUCHANAN REFORM INC
02/22/1999 1000.00 22991799752

SPADEA, BILL
VIA BILL SPADEA FOR CONGRESS
09/13/2004 500.00 24981357408

BUCHANAN, PATRICK J. MR.
MCLEAN, VA 22101
SELF EMPLOYED AND VARIOUS MEDIA C

AMERICA FIRST NATIONAL COMMITTEE
04/21/2005 250.00 25990879807

BUCHANAN, PATRICK J. MR.
MCLEAN, VA 22101
SELF EMPLOYED/POLITICAL COMMONTAT

JONES, WALTER B.
VIA WALTER JONES COMMITTEE
03/12/2008 250.00 28990891409

Total Contributions: 56500.00

51 TheAntichrist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:14:21am

re: #2 Obdicut

Compare this to:

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

FoxPAC: Fox News' corporate parent gave Republican Governors Association $1 million

Comcast, NBC's parent company, also donates millions to politicians and political parties. This isn't something exclusive to Fox.

-------------------------------------------------------------

I am kind of surprised MSNBC is going after Olbermann for this, it's not like he doesn't wear his political opinions on his sleeve and he certainly isn't portrayed as some impartial newscaster.

52 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:14:28am

OMG. I really detest Olberman's on screen personae and antics. Nobody makes me dive for the remote faster. (It's a tie among several)

But I have a legal issue to raise-How is is media persons lose the right to donate? What's next not allowed party membership?
Not allowed to vote?
These individuals rights are central to democracy. It looks like illegal "ethics standards" to me.

53 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:14:52am
HANNITY, SEAN
, NY 11743

PIRRO, JEANINE F
VIA PIRRO FOR SENATE INC
02/17/2006 -2100.00 26020273535

HANNITY, SEAN
OSYTER BAY, NY 11771
FOX NEWS/BROADCASTER

GOMEZ, JOHN B MR.
VIA JOHN GOMEZ FOR CONGRESS
05/01/2010 2400.00 10930984497
05/01/2010 2400.00 10930984496

HANNITY, SEAN
OYSTER BAY, NY 11771
FOX NEWS/TALK HOST

MANY INDIVIDUAL CONSERVATIVES HELPING ELECT LEADERS EVERYWHERE (MICHELEPAC)
08/31/2010 5000.00 10931302436

HANNITY, SEAN MR
LLOYD HARBOR, NY 11743

PIRRO, JEANINE F
VIA PIRRO FOR SENATE INC
10/28/2005 -2100.00 26020052975
10/28/2005 2100.00 26020052975
10/28/2005 4200.00 26020052975

Total Contributions: 11900.00

54 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:15:05am

re: #39 Obdicut

Eek! Psychic rocks!

55 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:15:08am

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SEE...
A Viking Funeral.
Hitler...ON ICE!
JEWS...IN...SPACE!


[Video]

I have always loved Jews in space . The blaster cannon saying Kosher always gave me a giggle. Eat this Darth Shaygitz! LOL

56 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:15:10am

re: #45 engineer dog

Fucking hell. Buchanan gave money to Schiffer? That asshole is one of the people most responsible for the swift boat thing, and just a general enormous prick.

Oh wait why am I surprised, it's Buchanan.

57 jaunte  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:15:29am

re: #52 Rightwingconspirator

It's legal, it's just a private deal he made with his employer.

58 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:16:26am

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SEE...
A Viking Funeral.
Hitler...ON ICE!
JEWS...IN...SPACE!


[Video]

Otherwise known as Spaceballs
Druish Princess

59 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:16:52am

re: #58 PT Barnum

Otherwise known as Spaceballs
Druish Princess

She really didn't look very Druish.

60 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:17:22am

re: #51 TheAntichrist

Are you claiming those Comcast donations are all to the Democrats? Because that would be untrue.

I think you're rather missing the point of the Fox donations.

61 Kragar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:17:55am

re: #58 PT Barnum

Otherwise known as Spaceballs
Druish Princess

Funny, she didn't look Druish.

62 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:17:56am

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Guess I know what I'll be doing this weekend.
/

63 Nick Schroeder  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:18:15am

Holy shit, I had no idea Keith Olbermann supported Democrats until this shocking revelation.

64 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:18:29am

re: #62 Slumbering Behemoth

Guess I know what I'll be doing this weekend.
/

Trying to get a job with the TSA?

65 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:19:05am

OT Incoming:

Pence: Voters Don’t Want Democrats And Republicans ‘To Work Better Together’

PENCE: I’m going to ensure that Republicans come out of the gate and seize this moment, we’ve really been given a second chance at a first impression and I’m going to tell them that we have to rise to the challenge with principle and conviction and not with this attitude that you saw coming from the White House yesterday and from some other quarters on the establishment left in Washington which was that somehow the message of the election was that they want Democrats and Republicans to work better together, to get along — good heavens.

66 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:19:22am

That MSNBC holds their employees to ethics standards proves something bad about the liberal media, I just know it!

67 webevintage  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:20:03am

The problem is not that he made contributions it is that he did not let his employer know before hand that he was going to make them.

68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:20:03am

re: #64 PT Barnum

No. Refusing full body scans at the airport.

69 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:21:33am
On Oct. 28, Olbermann gave $2,400—the maximum individual donation—to Arizona Democratic Reps. Gabrielle Giffords and Raul Grijalva. That same day, Grijalva appeared on Olbermann's show.

That doesn't look good....

The video.

Grijalva appears at 2:30.

70 chordata  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:21:39am

HEADLINES
Democrats finally take a stand. Fire Olbermann.

71 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:21:41am

re: #65 Gus 802

...not with this attitude that you saw coming from the White House yesterday and from some other quarters on the establishment left in Washington which was that somehow the message of the election was that they want Democrats and Republicans to work better together, to get along — good heavens.

But... but... it's all Obama's fault cuz he won't let the Reps have a seat at the table! He tapes their mouths shut so they can't offer opinions! He... he... yanno, won't let them have a say about nuthin no times!

72 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:22:25am

Just got off of a facebook argument with a wingnut acquaintance who told me "You never have anything nice to say about conservatives."

This after I chided the Republicans for being a bunch of whiners. It seems like every other word out of their mouth is how they're being persecuted for their beliefs by the media, by companies and by the sekrit muzlims.

Reminded me of this:

Youtube Video
73 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:24:37am

re: #71 allegro

But... but... it's all Obama's fault cuz he won't let the Reps have a seat at the table! He tapes their mouths shut so they can't offer opinions! He... he... yanno, won't let them have a say about nuthin no times!

I think the time has come for President's Question Time (like the PM's question time in the British Parliament). I'm willing to bet that the GOP wouldn't like it as Obama owned them pretty much when they tried it during the health care debate.

74 Kragar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:26:16am

re: #72 PT Barnum

David Cross on Conservatives;

Youtube Video
75 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:26:42am

re: #73 PT Barnum

I think the time has come for President's Question Time (like the PM's question time in the British Parliament). I'm willing to bet that the GOP wouldn't like it as Obama owned them pretty much when they tried it during the health care debate.

No doubt why it hasn't happened again and won't. As good as that was for Obama, I imagine he isn't hesitant. He certainly did own them. It was such a pleasure to watch.

76 leftynyc  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:27:17am

re: #52 Rightwingconspirator

OMG. I really detest Olberman's on screen personae and antics. Nobody makes me dive for the remote faster. (It's a tie among several)

But I have a legal issue to raise-How is is media persons lose the right to donate? What's next not allowed party membership?
Not allowed to vote?
These individuals rights are central to democracy. It looks like illegal "ethics standards" to me.


I'm not sure I'm doing this right but I'm trying to answer #52

Keith has made a point of saying he wont vote because he feels it will be unethical. That said, while he's not my favorite MSNBC personality (Rachel, Rachel, Rachel), I will be writing Griffen about this as I think it's an unfair standard.

77 TheAntichrist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:29:23am

re: #60 Obdicut

Are you claiming those Comcast donations are all to the Democrats? Because that would be untrue.

I think you're rather missing the point of the Fox donations.

I think Comcast donates to whoever they think will help Comcast. Much the same as Fox News parent News Corp does. Fox News is just one component of News Corp, and not the biggest one either. News Corp owns Showtime, National Geographic Channel, Fox Sports, 20th Century Fox, and many others. I doubt Fox News accounts for even 5% of News Corp revenue.

78 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:29:47am

The story is a tempest in teapot.

Contributions or not, it isn't as if Oblermann's political leanings were unknown.

There has been no real breach of trust here.

79 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:30:51am

re: #77 TheAntichrist

How much did News Corp donate to the Democratic Governor's Association?

80 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:31:50am

re: #78 researchok

There's been one, if there's a clear policy that he needs to be transparent about donations and clear it with them first.

But that's between him and MSNBC-- not between him and his viewing public.

81 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:31:55am

Anyway. MSNBC should drop the suspension. Otherwise, I think Olbermann has a case.

82 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:32:16am

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He's raggin' on Teabaggers, not conservatives damnit! False advertising.
/

83 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:32:45am

re: #76 leftynyc

I can not believe I am standing up for Keith Olberman. But I am damn it this is wrong, wrong , wrong. Love to know who else let a media company disenfranchise them from participation the the election, apart from flapping their gums. Nobody should have to give up participating over an employer anymore than giving it up over any other kind of voter donor intimidation.

84 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:32:48am

I've got a crazy idea. How about replacing him with a show that covers real news with thoughtful analysis instead of another gimmicky news themed variety hour.

85 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:33:14am

re: #80 Obdicut

There's been one, if there's a clear policy that he needs to be transparent about donations and clear it with them first.

But that's between him and MSNBC-- not between him and his viewing public.

Yes, I should have been more clear. I agree whole heartedly.

86 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:33:51am

re: #84 Killgore Trout

I've got a crazy idea. How about replacing him with a show that covers real news with thoughtful analysis instead of another gimmicky news themed variety hour.

No, they need a pundit in that spot. :)

87 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:34:32am

re: #84 Killgore Trout

I've got a crazy idea. How about replacing him with a show that covers real news with thoughtful analysis instead of another gimmicky news themed variety hour.

So prop 19 did pass where you are.

//

88 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:34:50am

re: #84 Killgore Trout

I've got a crazy idea. How about replacing him with a show that covers real news with thoughtful analysis instead of another gimmicky news themed variety hour.

Unfortunately no-one* wants to watch those.

* "no-one" ~= "a very small number of people"

89 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:34:54am

One of my projects this weekend, after Shabbos, is to put up a large post about frakking, the loop-holes in the clean air act of 2005, the grievous dangers is represents to public health (brain lesions, cancers, disintegration of lung tissue, organ failure), pristine land turned to moonscapes, farms contaminated, and streams with nothing larger than microorganisms living in them.

Everyone needs to know about this and understand fully what the GOP is going to try to force on you.

90 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:35:04am

re: #13 allegro

This is making non sense to me. I get why Juan Williams was released from further service from NPR since his position was supposed to be neutral in his reporting. However, KO was never neutral nor was there any such intent. His show and commentary was always representative of the left/progressive viewpoint. Is MSNBC claiming some kind of bizarro conflict of interest?

Further investigation is required, methinks.

I am skeptical. For all we know, perhaps a new king is in power (behind the scenes, that is).

91 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:35:12am

re: #77 TheAntichrist

Don't forget MySpace.

92 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:35:22am

re: #84 Killgore Trout

I've got a crazy idea. How about replacing him with a show that covers real news with thoughtful analysis instead of another gimmicky news themed variety hour.

That show is already on another network, it's called the Daily Show with John Stewart.

93 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:35:40am

For the record I think it's a pretty ridiculous standard to hold Keith to. We need to have a greater understanding of punditry vs. journalism in this country. Jon Stewart is less biased than Keith.

94 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:36:20am

Don't worry folks. Just remember, it's always darkest just before it goes totally black.

95 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:36:32am

re: #62 Slumbering Behemoth

Guess I know what I'll be doing this weekend.
/

Did you ever find a recipe for mashed sweet potatoes? If not, I can post one for you.

96 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:36:39am

Of course, methane release in the long run is one of the biggest feedbacks in AGW as well, and the way the companies get the methane from frakking releases far more methane than they ever capture.

IT is so much that it bubbles out of the ground and causes tap water to burn in certain areas.

97 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:36:46am

re: #87 researchok

So prop 19 did pass where you are.

//

My clock is stuck at 4:20

98 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:36:49am

re: #89 LudwigVanQuixote

Okay, but can we at least agree to refer to it as "fracking?" My mind sees something else when you say "frakking..."

99 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:37:07am

re: #90 eclectic infidel

Further investigation is required, methinks.

I am skeptical. For all we know, perhaps a new king is in power (behind the scenes, that is).

Same boss since 2008: Phil Griffin.

100 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:37:15am

re: #96 LudwigVanQuixote

Of course, methane release in the long run is one of the biggest feedbacks in AGW as well, and the way the companies get the methane from frakking releases far more methane than they ever capture.

IT is so much that it bubbles out of the ground and causes tap water to burn in certain areas.

Yes, but what about the economy?

///

101 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:37:31am

The Fever Swamp has at least 9 active strings going on this story.

102 rwmofo  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:37:34am

I don't want to see Olbermann punished. Hopefully he's on air Monday night to continue what he does: Show his open hatred for more than half the country. He's being paid $millions to do this five nights a week. ...and MSNBC does exactly what to try to get out of the ratings basement? He invites conservatives/Republicans on to debate him - ummm, never. Most lefties at least try at times to hide their contempt for Americans, but Olbermann gleefully takes the mask off. Stupid voters. Keep Olbermann on air. He reminds us what the rest (NBC/CBS/ABC/Democrat party) are saying when they're off camera.

103 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:37:53am

re: #95 oaktree

Did you ever find a recipe for mashed sweet potatoes? If not, I can post one for you.

I'll be happy to look at what ever you have, kind sir or madame.

104 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:38:06am

re: #102 rwmofo

You are like a parody of an unhinged wingnut.

105 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:38:27am

Fox News personalities would never, EVER be caught giving contributions to political candidates/causes.

Oh wait.

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106 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:38:28am

re: #102 rwmofo

I don't want to see Olbermann punished. Hopefully he's on air Monday night to continue what he does: Show his open hatred for more than half the country. He's being paid $millions to do this five nights a week. ...and MSNBC does exactly what to try to get out of the ratings basement? He invites conservatives/Republicans on to debate him - ummm, never. Most lefties at least try at times to hide their contempt for Americans, but Olbermann gleefully takes the mask off. Stupid voters. Keep Olbermann on air. He reminds us what the rest (NBC/CBS/ABC/Democrat party) are saying when they're off camera.

If anyone needs a handy definition of the term "projection", look no further.

107 leftynyc  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:39:06am

re: #83 Rightwingconspirator


Me either but I'm on the left side of the aisle. He royally pissed me off during the primaries with his harrangue against Hillary and I still haven't forgiven him. Especially infuriating is that they are defending Scarborough's contributions to a Republican because they're friends.

108 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:39:27am

re: #104 Obdicut

You are like a parody of an unhinged wingnut.

ummm...I'm not sure he's joking.

109 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:39:41am

re: #99 Gus 802

Same boss since 2008: Phil Griffin.

I got that from associated reading material, but I'm just wondering if there are new influences in the mix.

Moving away from conspiracy theories though, are such contributions sans disclosure to said employer really a deal breaker? Is the [indefinite] suspension really necessary?

110 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:39:58am

re: #98 JasonA

Okay, but can we at least agree to refer to it as "fracking?" My mind sees something else when you say "frakking..."

That was on purpose.

Understand that you are a small person, a little person, if your kids get cancer, or your brain deteriorates from the toxins in your water, it is because you were just not worth preserving. Your, and your children's sacrifices to the alter of corporate profit will not even be acknowledged - after all it was your due to your rightful masters.

The GP understands what your place is, and so many willing sacrifices acknowledge the order by voting them in.

111 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:40:28am

re: #107 leftynyc

Me either but I'm on the left side of the aisle. He royally pissed me off during the primaries with his harrangue against Hillary and I still haven't forgiven him. Especially infuriating is that they are defending Scarborough's contributions to a Republican because they're friends.

I question whether Hillary would have even won, much less been any more liberal about things. Obama and Hillary both are more pragmatic than that. They are only seen as liberal because the right wing has become so right.

112 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:40:41am

re: #102 rwmofo

I don't want to see Olbermann punished. Hopefully he's on air Monday night to continue what he does: Show his open hatred for more than half the country. He's being paid $millions to do this five nights a week. ...and MSNBC does exactly what to try to get out of the ratings basement? He invites conservatives/Republicans on to debate him - ummm, never. Most lefties at least try at times to hide their contempt for Americans, but Olbermann gleefully takes the mask off. Stupid voters. Keep Olbermann on air. He reminds us what the rest (NBC/CBS/ABC/Democrat party) are saying when they're off camera.

It's a niche audience. Advertisers like it and MSNBC has every right in the world to after it for those ad dollars, such as they are. It's not as though Olbermann's biases are a secret. He has no pretense of being fair and balanced, though he is no worse than certain folks who do.

113 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:41:38am

Who here would sign away their right to donate politically for their job?
(Assuming you have other prospects)

Who here finds that appropriate to demand? I find it odious at best.
Love to see an electoral intimidation/interference complaint aimed at the policy.

114 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:41:59am

re: #104 Obdicut

You are like a parody of an unhinged wingnut.

He's not joking Obdi.

115 leftynyc  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:42:07am

re: #102 rwmofo

I get it. You're the comedienne here. I'm new and still trying to figure things out.

116 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:42:20am

re: #112 Shiplord Kirel

It's a niche audience. Advertisers like it and MSNBC has every right in the world to after it for those ad dollars, such as they are. It's not as though Olbermann's biases are a secret. He has no pretense of being fair and balanced, though he is no worse than certain folks who do.

This is true, but on the other hand, I didn't see Olbermann resorting to the flat out lies and deceptions (presenting film or pictures from a different day as the crowd for their rallies, for example) the way Fox has.

117 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:42:42am

re: #114 LudwigVanQuixote

I know. Thus the 'like'. He's a living monument to Poe's Law.

118 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:42:51am

Right wing loons on Twitter have already cooked up a conspiracy theory for this:

MSNBC firing of Olbermann for contributing to Democrats is PR ploy to cover their tracks on how leftist they really are. Matthews? #tcot #RS

Yeah, that must be it. MSNBC is trying to cover up their leftist bias.

119 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:43:10am

re: #109 eclectic infidel

I got that from associated reading material, but I'm just wondering if there are new influences in the mix.

Moving away from conspiracy theories though, are such contributions sans disclosure to said employer really a deal breaker? Is the [indefinite] suspension really necessary?

I don't know. The only things I can think of off hand are a) his right to privacy and b) freedom of association. Of course that can change when one is employed by a private employer. Do we expect and should we expect journalists to be apolitical?

120 webevintage  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:43:16am

re: #102 rwmofo

Most lefties at least try at times to hide their contempt for Americans, but Olbermann gleefully takes the mask off. Stupid voters. Keep Olbermann on air. He reminds us what the rest (NBC/CBS/ABC/Democrat party) are saying when they're off camera.

Huh?
and WTH "contempt"?
You know that "lefties" are fucking Americans too...right?

121 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:43:27am

re: #102 rwmofo

want some cheese with that whine? You poor, oppressed person you.

122 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:43:39am

re: #117 Obdicut

I know. Thus the 'like'. He's a living monument to Poe's Law.

That's getting added to the list of laws on my blog. Thanks.

123 reidr  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:43:43am

re: #33 PT Barnum

I first started watching Keith during the 2008 election season. While I thought he was funny at times, I stopped watching when it became obvious that he had let his ego get away from him. The pseudo-Murrow farewell, the over blown Special Comments, and the pretension just got to me after while. He deserves kudos for introducing Rachel Maddow to the world, as she is one of the best people out there for pointing out the absurdity of what is going on in politics right now.

I started watching him around 2004, I think. I appreciated that he was a counter to Fox and covered important stories that no one else would. (The post-9/11 media was utterly [ahem] cowed and pathetic, of course.) His ego did get out of control, but he has been a bit better in the last year or so. I like Maddow, but I'm just not ready to add another hour of that kind of show to my tivo!

124 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:44:17am

re: #113 Rightwingconspirator

Who here would sign away their right to donate politically for their job?
(Assuming you have other prospects)

As a former government employee - both federal and state at different times - I wasn't allowed to openly campaign for any politician or party. I don't recall any restrictions on what I might do with my donation dollars on a personal level. If there were any, I guess it's a good thing I didn't get caught. ;)

125 darthstar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:44:26am

Well, this sucks.

126 leftynyc  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:44:28am

re: #111 PT Barnum


I firmly believe that she would have won - the comparison with Palin would have been enough to put her over the top. But she is pragmatic (as is Obama) - maybe not as liberal as I am but I think she would have made a fine President and would have fought the right harder than Obama has - she certainly has enough experience with them.

127 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:44:30am

re: #39 Obdicut

Can I borrow your psychic rock when you're done with it?

I have some crystal balls you can have.

128 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:44:32am

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

I'll be happy to look at what ever you have, kind sir or madame.

====
Mashed Sweet Potatoes (serves 4)

4 tbsp unsalted butter, cut into 4 pieces (1/2 stick)
2 tbsp heavy cream (half and half will do)
1/2 tsp salt
1 tsp sugar
2 pounds sweet potatoes; (about 2 large or 3 medium)

1. Peel quarter length-wise and cut sweet potatoes cross-wise into 1/4 inch thick slices. Equal size pieces help it cook evenly.

2. Combine the butter, cream, salt, sugar, and sweet potatoes in a 3- to 4- quart saucepan. Cover and cook over low heat, stirring occasionally, until the potatoes fall apart when poked with a fork. (35-45 minutes)

3. Off the heat, mash the sweet potatoes in the saucepan with a potato masher. Stir in a pinch of black pepper and serve immediately.
====

I like this recipe for two reasons -
1. It's good for handling large sweet potatoes that won't bake that well in-skin.
2. It's a bit of a fire-and-forget recipe that you can start on the stove and then proceed with other dishes while the potatoes cook on the low heat.

Recipe itself is from the The New Best Recipe cookbook. I thought I was an OK cook, and then I starting reading this...
[Link: www.cooksillustrated.com...]

129 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:44:38am

re: #120 webevintage

Huh?
and WTH "contempt"?
You know that "lefties" are fucking Americans too...right?

Again, projection. He thinks this way about his political opponents, therefore he assumes that his political opponents think this way about him.

130 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:44:44am

re: #123 reidr

Drop Keith, pick up Rachel.

131 TheAntichrist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:44:51am

re: #79 Obdicut

How much did News Corp donate to the Democratic Governor's Association?

Why is this relevant? Frankly, I'd rather corporations donate to groups they're philosophically aligned with rather than blatantly buying political favors.

From December's deal announcement through August, contributions from Comcast’s political action committees to federal candidates and political parties amounted to $1.1 million, up from $682,450 in the same period two years earlier, Bloomberg said, citing Federal Election Commission data.

Ninety-one of the 99 House members and three of the five senators who wrote to the FCC in support of the big media deal received donations from Comcast in the current election cycle, sometimes within days of the letters to the FCC, Bloomberg said.


[Link: www.hollywoodreporter.com...]

At least News Corps contributions weren't such a transparent reward for political favors.

132 TheAntichrist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:46:01am

re: #91 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't forget MySpace.

MySpace still exists?!

;)

133 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:47:15am

re: #113 Rightwingconspirator

Who here would sign away their right to donate politically for their job?
(Assuming you have other prospects)

Who here finds that appropriate to demand? I find it odious at best.
Love to see an electoral intimidation/interference complaint aimed at the policy.

It's fairly common in some fields. Government employees and military are limited in the level of political activity they can participate in. MSNBC (and probably most real news organizations) have rules about political donations. MSNBC is pretty far left so don't think their audience minds the favoritism. I don't think it's a big deal but I applaud the network for enforcing its standards.

134 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:47:15am

re: #131 TheAntichrist

Why is this relevant?

Because the question is about bias. News Corp is blantantly biased towards the GOP, and its donation history shows that.

Whereas Comcast is simply spreading money around in the odious wall all corporations do, on both sides of the aisle.


At least News Corps contributions weren't such a transparent reward for political favors.

You're joking, right? You don't think there's an alignment of political favors between the GOP and Fox News?

135 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:47:32am

re: #118 Charles

Sure had me fooled. Why, I forgot all about their librul by-ass for all of like ten minutes.
/

136 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:47:35am

re: #119 Gus 802

I don't know. The only things I can think of off hand are a) his right to privacy and b) freedom of association. Of course that can change when one is employed by a private employer. Do we expect and should we expect journalists to be apolitical?

Journalists are people too. My preference is for objective reporting first and foremost. That said, they should be able to donate their time and money as they see fit. So do I expect them to be apolitical? No. Should I? I don't know if that's realistic.

137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:48:43am

re: #128 oaktree

Thank you, good sir or madame.

138 leftynyc  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:49:19am

Here's how NBC is explaining how Scarborough gets away with doing the same thing.

Joe Scarborough, host of the "Morning Joe" talk show and the evening newscast "Scarborough Country," $4,200 in March 2006 to Derrick Kitts, Republican candidate for the House from Oregon. ... A spokesperson for NBC, Jeremy Gaines, replied to questions sent to Scarborough. "Yes, he did make a donation to Derrick Kitts. Kitts is an old friend of Joe's. Joe hosts an opinion program and is not a news reporter."

139 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:50:01am

re: #136 eclectic infidel

Journalists are people too. My preference is for objective reporting first and foremost. That said, they should be able to donate their time and money as they see fit. So do I expect them to be apolitical? No. Should I? I don't know if that's realistic.

Yeah. Well, I know Olbermann isn't apolitical nor objective in the academic sense. It's a bit of a non-starter, with me, to say that his contributions show me that he's a partisan personality. That was always clear.

140 reidr  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:50:13am

re: #130 JasonA

Drop Keith, pick up Rachel.

That would probably be the smart thing to do. But if Lawrence O'Donnell were to replace Keith, I'd be torn.

141 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:50:16am

re: #138 leftynyc

Wait, Olberman is a reporter, not an opinion-program dude?

Okay, now NBC is looking kinda bizarre. That's some strange reasoning.

142 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:50:19am

re: #138 leftynyc

Here's how NBC is explaining how Scarborough gets away with doing the same thing.

Joe Scarborough, host of the "Morning Joe" talk show and the evening newscast "Scarborough Country," $4,200 in March 2006 to Derrick Kitts, Republican candidate for the House from Oregon. ... A spokesperson for NBC, Jeremy Gaines, replied to questions sent to Scarborough. "Yes, he did make a donation to Derrick Kitts. Kitts is an old friend of Joe's. Joe hosts an opinion program and is not a news reporter."

Huh? KO's show is all about opinion.

143 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:50:23am

re: #138 leftynyc

Here's how NBC is explaining how Scarborough gets away with doing the same thing.

Joe Scarborough, host of the "Morning Joe" talk show and the evening newscast "Scarborough Country," $4,200 in March 2006 to Derrick Kitts, Republican candidate for the House from Oregon. ... A spokesperson for NBC, Jeremy Gaines, replied to questions sent to Scarborough. "Yes, he did make a donation to Derrick Kitts. Kitts is an old friend of Joe's. Joe hosts an opinion program and is not a news reporter."

HUH? Olbermann is a news reporter? Countdown is a news program?

144 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:50:52am

re: #141 Obdicut

Wait, Olberman is a reporter, not an opinion-program dude?

Okay, now NBC is looking kinda bizarre. That's some strange reasoning.

IOKIYAR apparently.

145 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:51:08am

re: #140 reidr

That would probably be the smart thing to do. But if Lawrence O'Donnell were to replace Keith, I'd be torn.

Lawrence would be a good selection. He's not afraid to call people out when they're full o shit.

146 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:51:18am

re: #128 oaktree

I'm doing Thanksgiving with some friends. I like the simplicity of this recipe. Thanks.

147 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:51:30am

Water is so essential to life. If I told you that someone would take away your source of breathable air - and it was truly serious (actually it is in terms of ocean anoxia and SO2 blooms, but that is another issue) but you realized it was not a joke, you would hopefully get upset.

Yet the masses are content to not worry about water so polluted that bugs can't live in it, that catches fire, and over the scale of whole water tables. When this comes East, millions of people will be affected. BP is one of the major players in this along with Haliburton. Shall we look at their public health and safety records?

I repeat the effects of fracking are - long term: massive increase in methane release, dramatically accelerating AGW. Short term: if you are one of those unlucky millions when this goes bad and unregulated like it is out west, brain lesions, cancers, organ failures (all you guys, out there, due to solvent concentrations and heavy metals in your water supply organ failure means THAT organ fails too!) genetic defect increases and death.

But the GOP will keep the government from protecting you from the evil greed that sees the profit of your sacrifices. That people aren't screaming about this has me astonished.

148 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:51:37am

re: #138 leftynyc

Here's how NBC is explaining how Scarborough gets away with doing the same thing.

Joe Scarborough, host of the "Morning Joe" talk show and the evening newscast "Scarborough Country," $4,200 in March 2006 to Derrick Kitts, Republican candidate for the House from Oregon. ... A spokesperson for NBC, Jeremy Gaines, replied to questions sent to Scarborough. "Yes, he did make a donation to Derrick Kitts. Kitts is an old friend of Joe's. Joe hosts an opinion program and is not a news reporter."

Olbermann is a news reporter?

149 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:52:52am

The whole notion of an objective, neutral, or unbiased press is a fiction started by the Associated Press and other wire services in the 19th century.
It would have been an alien concept to the Founding Fathers.

Before the wire services (and for years afterward), almost every newspaper proudly proclaimed its political allegiance on the editorial page, the front page, and often from the masthead. AP, though, fed news to a large number of outlets with varying and conflicting orientations. It therefore had to proclaim the neutrality of its stories to be salable. As time went on, the wire service policy became the industry norm, just as the AP style manual became the standard for reporters.

150 Kragar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:53:56am

re: #147 LudwigVanQuixote

I stand by my opinion that millions will have to die before anything gets acted upon.

151 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:54:19am

re: #131 TheAntichrist

At least News Corps contributions weren't such a transparent reward for political favors.

On the Fox payroll: Palin, Huckabee, Gingrich, Santorum. Their salaries should count as political contributions, as should every minute of time they get on the air.

152 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:54:33am

re: #149 Shiplord Kirel

Yeah. I don't want an objective reporter, or at least, one who's deluded enough to think that they're objective.

I want one who's honest about where they're coming from.

Murray Kempton is one of my heroes.

153 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:55:33am

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I stand by my opinion that millions will have to die before anything gets acted upon.

Millions within a short period of time (2 years or less), or what?

154 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:55:35am

re: #131 TheAntichrist

Why is this relevant? Frankly, I'd rather corporations donate to groups they're philosophically aligned with rather than blatantly buying political favors.

[Link: www.hollywoodreporter.com...]

At least News Corps contributions weren't such a transparent reward for political favors.

You have the roles of buyer and seller reversed. Fox doesn't need to placate the GOP by buying favors. The GOP needs to placate Fox, because Fox is their direct line to their base, their propaganda platform, their sword, and their shield. The GOP isn't shit without Fox, and they know it.

155 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:56:05am

re: #152 Obdicut

Yeah. I don't want an objective reporter, or at least, one who's deluded enough to think that they're objective.

I want one who's honest about where they're coming from.

Murray Kempton is one of my heroes.

It's like they're saying, "I'm such an expert on politics that you should trust my reporting, even though I don't know enough to have an opinion."

156 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:56:54am

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DEMOCRATIC SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
10/17/2006 250.00 26020912903

157 reidr  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:57:21am

re: #102 rwmofo

I don't want to see Olbermann punished. Hopefully he's on air Monday night to continue what he does: Show his open hatred for more than half the country. ...

Wow, he really bothers you. I can't wait to hear what you think of Hannity, Malkin, et al!

158 Kragar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:57:44am

re: #153 eclectic infidel

Millions within a short period of time (2 years or less), or what?

Basically. Without mass bodies lining the streets, I have faith in the majority of people being able to shrug it off and go about their business.

Of course I'm a cynical bastard.

159 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:57:51am

re: #156 Gus 802

SCHULTZ, ED
NEW YORK, NY 10019

DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE
11/05/2004 270.00 24981650006

SCHULTZ, ED
NEW YORK, NY 10019
SELF EMPLOYED/WRITER/ACTOR

MOVEON.ORG POLITICAL ACTION
08/12/2006 250.00 26960475185
07/19/2007 250.00 28990106583

SCHULTZ, ED
NEW YORK, NY 10019
THE ED SCHULTZ SHOW/HOST

DEMOCRATIC SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
09/30/2006 250.00 26020872949

SCHULTZ, ED M
NEW YORK, NY 10019
SELF-EMPLOYED/WRITER

DEMOCRATIC SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
10/17/2006 250.00 26020912903

We can dream. MSNBC: fire Schultz next, and stop trying to emulate the retard right wing fringe.

160 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:59:16am

re: #159 Fozzie Bear

Agreed I can't stand Ed.

161 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:59:19am

I'm kinda creeped out over this policy of "asking permission". I can hear it now...

KO: Please may I contribute to XXX campaign, pretty please?

Boss: NO!

KO: Why not? I wanna, pretty please?

Boss: No cuz I said so, that's why, now get back to work.

162 garhighway  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:59:28am

OT: Good news and bad news:

Jobs report better than expected (good)

Sparky Anderson passed away (bad).

163 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:59:53am

Remember, folks -- It wasn't the donations that actually got Olbermann suspended. It was the fact that he apparently didn't inform MSNBC about them.

164 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:00:09pm

re: #163 Charles

Remember, folks -- It wasn't the donations that actually got Olbermann suspended. It was the fact that he apparently didn't inform MSNBC about them.

OK

165 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:01:04pm

Saves me the trouble of cross referencing MSNBC anchors, commentators and correspondents against FEC records. :)

166 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:01:06pm

re: #163 Charles

Remember, folks -- It wasn't the donations that actually got Olbermann suspended. It was the fact that he apparently didn't inform MSNBC about them.

*nods*

It would be very helpful if we could actually read his employment contract with MSNBC.

167 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:01:15pm

re: #163 Charles

According to the statement you posted in the update, it wasn't about informing them it was about getting permission. There is a difference... isn't there?

168 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:01:24pm

News people ought not be deprived of their right to support candidates of their choice. Supporting a candidate is not 'unethical'.

However, because they are in a position of influence, full disclosure of political contributions ought to be mandatory.

169 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:02:22pm

Without pay no less. Gee, that must be costing him, what, about $200 million a day?
/

170 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:02:50pm

re: #167 allegro

According to the statement you posted in the update, it wasn't about informing them it was about getting permission. There is a difference... isn't there?

Right, he was supposed to inform them in advance and obtain permission.

171 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:03:07pm

re: #168 researchok

I should have noted 'full public disclosure'.

172 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:04:11pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Saves me the trouble of cross referencing MSNBC anchors, commentators and correspondents against FEC records. :)

Getting a jump start on the weekend?
//

173 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:04:33pm

An update on Pamela Geller's new "free speech" hero.....
Man Who Sent Threat To IL Mosque Sentenced To Year In Prison
Here's the email.....

Close down the CIMIC [Central Illinois Mosque and Islamic Center] by May 12th, or it will be closed for you. the muslims that attend it are not to be seen in public with their beards or hijabs. tell them to get rid of such things. failure to comply will result in much tribulations for you and muslims in the region. i am not afraid to do whatever it takes to eradicate islam. WHATEVER it takes.


Yikes!

174 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:05:18pm

re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth

Thank you, good sir or madame.

Oh I almost forgot, this recipe is also Feline Overlord approved!

I think once butter/dairy goes into a recipe one or both cats have an interest in giving it a good looking over. And one or the other has been know to eat at least a bit of the following:
biscuits
cooked peas
cooked corn
spaghetti (light on the sauce)
chicken corn chowder (leftovers of this get OM NOM NOM treatment)
cheese (both sharp and mild)

And this is besides the normal attack mode when chicken, fish, or bacon is cooked.

175 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:05:54pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

An update on Pamela Geller's new "free speech" hero...
Man Who Sent Threat To IL Mosque Sentenced To Year In Prison
Here's the email...


Yikes!

Right. She's sticking up for the right to threaten Muslims.

176 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:06:06pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

An update on Pamela Geller's new "free speech" hero...
Man Who Sent Threat To IL Mosque Sentenced To Year In Prison
Here's the email...


Yikes!

Pam Sez....

The Department of Justice is enforcing sharia and abandoning rule of law.


Ha!

177 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:06:44pm

re: #146 eclectic infidel

I'm doing Thanksgiving with some friends. I like the simplicity of this recipe. Thanks.

My brother and I are both of the belief that heavy sugaring (or heaven forbid marshmallow creme) is a food crime when applied to sweet potatoes.

178 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:07:53pm

re: #177 oaktree

Word! They're quite tasty without all that crap.

179 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:08:51pm

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I stand by my opinion that millions will have to die before anything gets acted upon.

You may be right. However with things like trashed eco systems, AGW and destroyed water supplies, by the time that happens it is too late. It is not just too late for the dead, but too late to fix and too late to prevent from getting much worse.

What people really don't get is that planet scale systems have unbelievable inertia. Once you go down a certain path far enough it is like pushing a boulder down hill. You are not stopping it from rolling further. We as a species do not have to years to keep pushing - let alone push harder.

We are already committed to the loss of nations like Bangladesh. There is nothing we can do to save them. Those millions will be flooded out and their agriculture that was not claimed by the seas, will fail from heat waves and being drowned by intensified monsoons. More land will go under water and monsoons in that region will continue to cause massive flooding that washes away homes and crops. Where will those people go? Of course they are poor, brown and not Christian so no one really cares in the West. And don't anyone dare tell me that we in the West do care. We already pulled the trigger on their plight. Where will those millions go?

The horrible summer we had this year was mitigated somewhat by particulates the volcanic eruption. Even so, the monsoon but over six million Pakistanis out of their homes after suffering heat waves that reached to 128 degrees F, the Russian crops failed to an extent that they halted grain exports, and Chinese crops failed sufficiently to cause their food prices to jump. As it is now we are already seeing disease vectors migrate in major ways. Spain, France and Italy are seeing cases of Dengue fever which used to be something people in Africa worried about.

We are committed to more and more of this.

If we stop pushing the boulder now, it will most likely stop rolling in a place where we can deal with the results. If we continue pushing long enough, that boulder (to abuse the analogy) ends up squashing our entire civilization by the time it comes to rest. Releasing vast amounts of methane from sloppy extraction techniques on a national scale is a huge effect since we have some of the largest methane reserves. In terms of the immediate suffering of thousands (already! from being poisoned by this process) or even the millions likely to suffer from poisoning, the long term effects, make that statistic pale in comparison.

We do not have the time for the situation to get so intolerable that even the average Fox viewing idiot is convinced. By the time that happens we will have committed to vastly worse and there will be no way to stop it.

180 Interesting Times  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:09:41pm

re: #177 oaktree

My brother and I are both of the belief that heavy sugaring (or heaven forbid marshmallow creme) is a food crime when applied to sweet potatoes absolutely anything.

Stick it to Big High-Fructose Corn Syrup!

181 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:09:49pm

re: #175 Charles

Right. She's sticking up for the right to threaten Muslims.

Just be careful scrolling down the front page of her site today. She's posting bloody pictures of dead babies again.

182 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:11:17pm

re: #163 Charles

supposedly he did disclose them. Keith gave griffin an opening to go after him and griffin took it. Of course when that whiney ass bitch Scarborough did the same thing it was ok because Scarborough was a long time friend of the person he contributed to. Same goes for Buchanan, of course Buchanan probably got away with it because he just gets paid to throw in his two cents on things.

I aggree with others who said Keith went over the top at times and I haven't watched him in ages (or really watched any news besides what i read online) but this sounds like they found a way to dump him and they took it since Griffin was known to not want MSNBC to be identified as too liberal or some such crap.

183 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:11:33pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Pam Sez...


Ha!

She really is job security for her therapist.
/

184 sadhu  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:12:40pm

back back back back back

185 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:14:22pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Pam Sez...

Ha!

Prosecuting someone for making threats is "enforcing sharia and abandoning rule of law"? No wait this is Pamela Geller we're talking about.

And she's the one that want to prosecute people for making threats based on make-believe emails from crazy professors in North Jersey.

186 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:14:58pm

re: #57 jaunte

I'm no lawyer! I would have hoped "ethics" (gag) like this would be unenforceable. This si not "ethics". Ethics would simply require fair disclosure. I bet he wishes he could have or would have donated anonymously. This points out why anonymous donations are a tough call.

187 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:16:15pm

re: #168 researchok

News people ought not be deprived of their right to support candidates of their choice. Supporting a candidate is not 'unethical'.

However, because they are in a position of influence, full disclosure of political contributions ought to be mandatory.

I would be happy with mandatory full disclosure for all contributions, personal or corporate, over a certain relatively low dollar amount, either to candidates or to issue groups.

However, the Citizen's United ruling means that such a law would now be considered an unconstitutional infringement of the first amendment. How spending money to buy propaganda to influence elections became legally synonymous with having a conversation in your own home will never make sense to me.

If you want to be really pissed off, read about Clarence Thomas' wife's recent activities, and contemplate that her husband's decision directly financially benefits both of them.

188 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:16:39pm

re: #66 Obdicut

I am having a hard time equating disenfranchisement with their idea of ethics.

189 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:16:44pm

DJI

11,397.15
-37.69 (-0.33%)

The DOW is down! Damn Republicans.

//

190 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:20:05pm

re: #55 LudwigVanQuixote

I have always loved Jews in space . The blaster cannon saying Kosher always gave me a giggle. Eat this Darth Shaygitz! LOL

But, but blaster cannon don't work in the vacuum of space!

191 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:20:26pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

Just be careful scrolling down the front page of her site today. She's posting bloody pictures of dead babies again.

Nothing gets Geller's crackpot readers worked up like dozens of large, graphic dead baby pictures. She obviously hunts for them and saves them, since she recycles them often.

The woman is a disgusting moral toad.

192 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:21:06pm

I think that post was so important, I am going to correct all my typos, clarify it, and repost it. People have to understand this. This is life and death. It is already life and death NOW.

With things like trashed eco systems, AGW and destroyed water supplies, by the time the average American sees the catastrophic effects at home, it is too much late. It is not just too late for the dead, but too late to fix and too late to prevent from getting much worse.

What people really don't get is that planet scale systems have unbelievable inertia. Once you push ecosystems far enough, it is like pushing a boulder down hill. All kinds of effects cascade and reinforce each other and the deterioration spirals out of control into a new equilibrium. One you push a boulder over a ledge, you are not stopping it from rolling further. We as a species, do not have two years to keep pushing - let alone push harder.

We are already committed to the loss of nations like Bangladesh. There is nothing we can do to save them. Those millions will be flooded out and their agriculture, that was not claimed by the seas, will fail from heat waves and being drowned by intensified monsoons. More land will go under water at an increasing rate, and ever more severe monsoons in that region will continue to cause massive flooding that washes away homes and crops.

Where will those people go? Of course they are poor, brown and not Christian so no one really cares in the West. Don't anyone dare tell me that we in the West do care. We already pulled the trigger on their plight.Where will those millions go? A large percentage of them will die. We already murdered them.

The horrible summer we had this year was mitigated somewhat by particulates the volcanic eruption. Even so, the monsoons put over six million Pakistanis out of their homes after suffering heat waves that reached to 128 degrees F, the Russian crops failed to an extent that they halted grain exports, and Chinese crops failed sufficiently to cause their food prices to jump. As it is now we are already seeing disease vectors migrate in major ways. Spain, France and Italy are seeing cases of Dengue fever which used to be something people in Africa worried about.

We are already committed to more and more of this.

If we stop pushing the boulder now, it will most likely stop rolling in a place where we can deal with the results. If we continue pushing long enough, that boulder (to abuse the analogy) ends up squashing our entire civilization by the time it comes to rest.

Releasing vast amounts of methane from sloppy extraction techniques on a national scale is a huge effect since we have some of the largest methane reserves. In terms of the immediate suffering of thousands (already! from being poisoned by this process) or even the millions likely to suffer from poisoning, the long term effects, make that statistic pale in comparison.

We do not have the time for the situation to get so intolerable that even the average Fox viewing idiot is convinced. By the time that happens we will have committed to vastly worse and there will be no way to stop it.

193 leftynyc  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:21:06pm

re: #182 Dreggas

Does that really make sense? They just gave an even more outspoken liberal (Lawerence O'Donnell) his own show at 10PM so they want to fire the one who has the highest ratings? I'm thinking this may just be signal that MSNBC has an actual ethics policy vs fox who has no ethics period. I expect Keith back on the air by Thanksgiving the latest.

194 Interesting Times  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:22:08pm

re: #179 LudwigVanQuixote

Freetoken posted this drought forecast earlier - when you look at them, note that a reading of -4 or below is considered extreme drought:

Drought conditions now

Drought conditions in 20 years

Drought conditions in 50 years

I'm not even going to bother with the image for 2090, since America is pretty much a desert by 2060 anyway.

195 webevintage  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:22:12pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

An update on Pamela Geller's new "free speech" hero...
Man Who Sent Threat To IL Mosque Sentenced To Year In Prison
Here's the email...


Yikes!

Hmmmm, I wonder if Pam would say the same thing if the person being threatened via email was her.
What say you Pammy, would you still spew about "free speech"?

196 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:22:18pm

re: #190 Alouette

But, but blaster cannon don't work in the vacuum of space!

Why not? They just wouldn't make noise you could hear. Of course I have no idea what a blaster cannon is supposed to be blasting.

197 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:23:03pm

re: #187 Fozzie Bear

I would be happy with mandatory full disclosure for all contributions, personal or corporate, over a certain relatively low dollar amount, either to candidates or to issue groups.

However, the Citizen's United ruling means that such a law would now be considered an unconstitutional infringement of the first amendment. How spending money to buy propaganda to influence elections became legally synonymous with having a conversation in your own home will never make sense to me.

If you want to be really pissed off, read about Clarence Thomas' wife's recent activities, and contemplate that her husband's decision directly financially benefits both of them.

Good points.

However, is Thomas Clarence's wife a public figure? Is her position one of influence? How far do we go? Are spouses of campaign contributing corporate CEO's public figures? How about the spouses of unions leaders who distribute campaign funds- are they too public figures?

I do agree the question is loaded. I don't have the answers, but no matter, really. No resolution will satisfy all the interested parties.

198 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:24:38pm

re: #196 LudwigVanQuixote

Why not? They just wouldn't make noise you could hear. Of course I have no idea what a blaster cannon is supposed to be blasting.

But it looks so cool!

199 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:25:03pm

re: #194 publicityStunted

Freetoken posted this drought forecast earlier - when you look at them, note that a reading of -4 or below is considered extreme drought:

Drought conditions now

Drought conditions in 20 years

Drought conditions in 50 years

I'm not even going to bother with the image for 2090, since America is pretty much a desert by 2060 anyway.

Excellent post.

Most people should understand that crops need water to grow. Most people should understand that even with [plenty of water (from irrigation) that massive heat snaps will still kill crops and cause them to fail, like they did in Russia this year.

Now if only people would understand that you really can't irrigate on a large scale when you depend on melt waters that are no longer there, and your water table has been used up or poisoned. Another place that we have pulled the trigger on already is Nevada BTW.

200 Kragar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:25:36pm

re: #196 LudwigVanQuixote

Why not? They just wouldn't make noise you could hear. Of course I have no idea what a blaster cannon is supposed to be blasting.

But the vibrations and heat discharge of the weapon could transfer thru the hull and you could possibly hear side effects from that.

201 leftynyc  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:25:55pm

re: #192 LudwigVanQuixote

I love your passion on this topic and wish we could bang everyone who doesn't think it's a big deal over the head with your facts. Unfortunately, Tuesday's election means at least another two years of treating our air, seas and lands as a sewer.

Wishing you a wonderful Shabbos.

202 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:26:08pm

re: #200 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But the vibrations and heat discharge of the weapon could transfer thru the hull and you could possibly hear side effects from that.

True that.

203 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:26:41pm

re: #201 leftynyc

I love your passion on this topic and wish we could bang everyone who doesn't think it's a big deal over the head with your facts. Unfortunately, Tuesday's election means at least another two years of treating our air, seas and lands as a sewer.

Wishing you a wonderful Shabbos.

Ahhh yes. The irony of what you wrote is so relevant.

204 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:26:54pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

If a soldier needs permission to donate to a candidate, well I find that dead wrong. Gotta disagree here KT, as much as we all abhor interferences with voting and campaigning, well this is another key right in my view.

205 Interesting Times  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:27:09pm

re: #197 researchok

"If You Think Money Is Speech, Try Paying Your Visa Bill With an Essay."

206 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:27:11pm

re: #192 LudwigVanQuixote

I think that post was so important, I am going to correct all my typos, clarify it, and repost it. People have to understand this. This is life and death. It is already life and death NOW.

With things like trashed eco systems, AGW and destroyed water supplies, by the time the average American sees the catastrophic effects at home, it is too much late. It is not just too late for the dead, but too late to fix and too late to prevent from getting much worse.

What people really don't get is that planet scale systems have unbelievable inertia. Once you push ecosystems far enough, it is like pushing a boulder down hill. All kinds of effects cascade and reinforce each other and the deterioration spirals out of control into a new equilibrium. One you push a boulder over a ledge, you are not stopping it from rolling further. We as a species, do not have two years to keep pushing - let alone push harder.

We are already committed to the loss of nations like Bangladesh. There is nothing we can do to save them. Those millions will be flooded out and their agriculture, that was not claimed by the seas, will fail from heat waves and being drowned by intensified monsoons. More land will go under water at an increasing rate, and ever more severe monsoons in that region will continue to cause massive flooding that washes away homes and crops.

Where will those people go? Of course they are poor, brown and not Christian so no one really cares in the West. Don't anyone dare tell me that we in the West do care. We already pulled the trigger on their plight.Where will those millions go? A large percentage of them will die. We already murdered them.

The horrible summer we had this year was mitigated somewhat by particulates the volcanic eruption. Even so, the monsoons put over six million Pakistanis out of their homes after suffering heat waves that reached to 128 degrees F, the Russian crops failed to an extent that they halted grain exports, and Chinese crops failed sufficiently to cause their food prices to jump. As it is now we are already seeing disease vectors migrate in major ways. Spain, France and Italy are seeing cases of Dengue fever which used to be something people in Africa worried about.

We are already committed to more and more of this.

If we stop pushing the boulder now, it will most likely stop rolling in a place where we can deal with the results. If we continue pushing long enough, that boulder (to abuse the analogy) ends up squashing our entire civilization by the time it comes to rest.

Releasing vast amounts of methane from sloppy extraction techniques on a national scale is a huge effect since we have some of the largest methane reserves. In terms of the immediate suffering of thousands (already! from being poisoned by this process) or even the millions likely to suffer from poisoning, the long term effects, make that statistic pale in comparison.

We do not have the time for the situation to get so intolerable that even the average Fox viewing idiot is convinced. By the time that happens we will have committed to vastly worse and there will be no way to stop it.

Lots of good points here. The Bangladesh reference (as well as those islands in the pacific that are slowly 'sinking' are watershed events that are being ignored.

Still, unless China and India get on board, I don't see how anything we can do will make a difference.

In many ways, we really are playing for time.

207 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:27:29pm

re: #192 LudwigVanQuixote

You should post this as an LGF Page.

208 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:28:06pm

re: #200 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But the vibrations and heat discharge of the weapon could transfer thru the hull and you could possibly hear side effects from that.

Or a clever fire control system could use aural cues to indicate whether the weapon was working properly. "pew pew pew" vs "wah wah"...

;)

209 simoom  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:28:17pm

re: #163 Charles

Remember, folks -- It wasn't the donations that actually got Olbermann suspended. It was the fact that he apparently didn't inform MSNBC about them.

As I recall, back during the '08 election, some NBC News personalities where quite upset with MSNBC because they felt their election coverage was overly partisan, causing the McCain/Palin campaign to give both networks the cold shoulder, both to be called out in stump speeches and both to be booed by GOP audiences. The end result is they raised a stink and had both Olbermann and Mathews pulled from anchoring debate/election coverage.

So MSNBC had Olbermann back to anchoring their midterm coverage a few days ago, and I wouldn't be surprised if that re-triggered the old animosities at the parent network. Perhaps someone then took a look at opensecrets, found Olbermann's donations and then raised hell with the management?

210 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:28:28pm

re: #207 Charles

You should post this as an LGF Page.

Will do.

211 leftynyc  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:28:56pm

re: #203 LudwigVanQuixote

I wasn't really going for irony. My whole family has been screaming about the environment for a very long time and I've gotten to the point where I'm so discouraged about our government actually doing anything about it, posts like yours make me want to cry.

212 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:29:25pm

re: #206 researchok

Still, unless China and India get on board, I don't see how anything we can do will make a difference.

Yeah, that's the spirit. Let's nobody do nuthin and we can all kiss each others' asses goodbye. Are you serious?

213 celticdragon  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:29:32pm

re: #191 Charles

Nothing gets Geller's crackpot readers worked up like dozens of large, graphic dead baby pictures. She obviously hunts for them and saves them, since she recycles them often.

The woman is a disgusting moral toad.

Good God. How effing sick do you have to be to do that.

214 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:30:42pm

re: #206 researchok

Lots of good points here. The Bangladesh reference (as well as those islands in the pacific that are slowly 'sinking' are watershed events that are being ignored.

Still, unless China and India get on board, I don't see how anything we can do will make a difference.

In many ways, we really are playing for time.

Step 3 of the right wing's opposition to doing anything about climate change, right here.

1) Deny it's happening.

2) Claim "a little warming might be good for the planet".

3) "If China and India do nothing, there's no point in us doing anything."

4) Repeat from 1).

215 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:31:31pm

re: #212 allegro

Yeah, that's the spirit. Let's nobody do nuthin and we can all kiss each others' asses goodbye. Are you serious?

You missed my point.

I'm in agreement with LVQ's argument.

I was only noting that in order to successfully address the issues he raises we have to get China and India on board- no easy task.

216 Interesting Times  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:31:51pm

re: #213 celticdragon

re: #191 Charles

Nothing gets Geller's crackpot readers worked up like dozens of large, graphic dead baby pictures. She obviously hunts for them and saves them, since she recycles them often.

The woman is a disgusting moral toad.

Good God. How effing sick do you have to be to do that.

As Operation Rescue and other groups of that ilk.

217 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:32:31pm

re: #215 researchok

You missed my point.

I'm in agreement with LVQ's argument.

I was only noting that in order to successfully address the issues he raises we have to get China and India on board- no easy task.

The thing is, China is taking it more seriously than we are. That's just sad.

218 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:32:32pm

re: #214 iossarian

Step 3 of the right wing's opposition to doing anything about climate change, right here.

1) Deny it's happening.

2) Claim "a little warming might be good for the planet".

3) "If China and India do nothing, there's no point in us doing anything."

4) Repeat from 1).

I'm sorry I'm not the adversary you want me to be.

219 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:33:06pm

re: #214 iossarian

Step 3 of the right wing's opposition to doing anything about climate change, right here.

1) Deny it's happening.

2) Claim "a little warming might be good for the planet".

3) "If China and India do nothing, there's no point in us doing anything."

4) Repeat from 1).

And it boils down to "economics, economics, economics". Especially for the short term. If we cut back we lose money. If China and India don't while we do they gain advantage. If it's a false alarm (yea, right) and we cut back we lose money.

And remember that we're #1. And a world leader as well...

220 Interesting Times  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:33:33pm

re: #215 researchok

I was only noting that in order to successfully address the issues he raises we have to get China and India on board- no easy task.

China's actually doing a much better job than the US at present.

221 Kragar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:33:41pm

re: #208 oaktree

Or a clever fire control system could use aural cues to indicate whether the weapon was working properly. "pew pew pew" vs "wah wah"...

;)

Like when I swapped by buddy's "You've got mail" alert to "HEY, I'M LOOKING AT PORNO!"?

It was accurate.

222 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:33:51pm

I am so pissed I am late to this thread.

223 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:34:06pm

Fingergate!

Fischer Accuses Obama Of "Flipping Off" His Enemies
Submitted by Kyle on November 5, 2010 - 10:59am

I don't expect much from the Religious Right ... and I expect even less from the likes of the AFA's Bryan Fischer. But sometimes I still have to marvel at the conspiracies that he is able to dream up, like his new claim that President Obama has been subtly "flipping off" his enemies...

224 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:34:35pm

re: #217 Fozzie Bear

The thing is, China is taking it more seriously than we are. That's just sad.

Yes, the irony here is quite notable.

I can only hope China's stated commitment is real. I say that because they are bringing new coal power plants online at a record pace- and that is just one area that will at some point, have to be addressed.

225 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:35:09pm

re: #219 oaktree

And it boils down to "economics, economics, economics". Especially for the short term. If we cut back we lose money. If China and India don't while we do they gain advantage. If it's a false alarm (yea, right) and we cut back we lose money.

And remember that we're #1. And a world leader as well...

They only gain a short term advantage by doing so. In the long term, it hurts them more to not be prepared with a functioning energy infrastructure not so dependent on carbon-based fuels in the longer term.

And Chna is actually working on doing just that, while we focus on the next fiscal quarter and call it "long term thinking".

226 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:35:31pm

re: #218 researchok

I'm sorry I'm not the adversary you want me to be.

Maybe not as an individual. But the fact is, we have to do something ourselves and just ignore what other people are doing.

My post was (of course) partly sarcastic, but it reflects the reality that, just when you think you've managed to convince people to get past 1) and 2) in the list, and you're debating 3), some other nutter from Oklahoma pops up and you're right back to 1) again.

227 celticdragon  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:36:03pm

re: #207 Charles

You should post this as an LGF Page.


I agree.

228 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:36:41pm

re: #220 publicityStunted

China's actually doing a much better job than the US at present.

Yes, I saw that.

The problem is that Chinese industry and growth are very complicated. The demands for power, for example, have led to a record breaking number of coal fueled power plants coming online.

Like I said, I hope their commitment is more than cosmetic.

229 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:37:49pm

Outrage over little boy in girl costume! (Video)

'Sarah,' mother of a boy who dressed as a girl for Halloween, and clinical psychologist, Dr. Jeff Gardere.

230 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:38:07pm

re: #228 researchok

Like I said, I hope their commitment is more than cosmetic.

At least the Chinese government has made a commitment if for no other reason than there are big $ in it. In the U.S.? "Climate Gone"

231 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:39:48pm

re: #228 researchok

Yes, I saw that.

The problem is that Chinese industry and growth are very complicated. The demands for power, for example, have led to a record breaking number of coal fueled power plants coming online.

Like I said, I hope their commitment is more than cosmetic.

China and India's emissions per capita were still a lot lower than the US's the last time I checked.

I think we can start to make noise about what they're doing once we've got our per-capita emissions down to theirs.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

232 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:39:59pm

re: #229 Gus 802

Benny Hill where arrre yooouuu?

233 sagehen  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:40:04pm

re: #109 eclectic infidel

I got that from associated reading material, but I'm just wondering if there are new influences in the mix.

Moving away from conspiracy theories though, are such contributions sans disclosure to said employer really a deal breaker? Is the [indefinite] suspension really necessary?


Since donation disclosures are available to the public on-line -- I'd think his channel has a right not to be blindsided.

Remember that West Wing episode when CJ got angry at Sam and Josh not for what they'd done, but that she had to first hear about it when she was questioned at the podium? It's that sort of thing.

234 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:40:17pm

re: #230 allegro

At least the Chinese government has made a commitment if for no other reason than there are big $ in it. In the U.S.? "Climate Gone"

When I first saw the headline I thought it said "Climate Gore" -- which when I read the story about Rove's address I realized was essentially the same thing...

235 apox  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:40:20pm

Mos Def - New World Water

One of my favorites and one that seems to ring truth as time goes on.

236 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:40:56pm

re: #229 Gus 802

Outrage over little boy in girl costume! (Video)

Weird, dude. Do you follow me around the interwebs or something. I was reading that woman's blog post about this just yesterday.

237 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:41:04pm

re: #226 iossarian

Maybe not as an individual. But the fact is, we have to do something ourselves and just ignore what other people are doing.

My post was (of course) partly sarcastic, but it reflects the reality that, just when you think you've managed to convince people to get past 1) and 2) in the list, and you're debating 3), some other nutter from Oklahoma pops up and you're right back to 1) again.

Well, I have nothing to do with the nutters.

I whole heatedly agree that action has to be taken, but do maintain we aren't an island. We need to do things in conjunction with other nations in a coordinated way if we are going to face the issues head on. For example, we don't need to keep building power plants. James Bay, in Quebec is an enormous resource we can tap into. I recall reading that resource, when finally completed, could supply all the electricity to the US east of the Mississippi.

We have to have a coordinated plan. That's all I'm saying.

238 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:41:41pm

re: #231 iossarian

China and India's emissions per capita were still a lot lower than the US's the last time I checked.

I think we can start to make noise about what they're doing once we've got our per-capita emissions down to theirs.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Right- but their numbers are rising.

239 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:42:15pm

re: #237 researchok


We have to have a coordinated plan. That's all I'm saying.

So you agree that we should sign on to international agreements limiting the emission of greenhouse gasses?

240 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:42:20pm

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

Weird, dude. Do you follow me around the interwebs or something. I was reading that woman's blog post about this just yesterday.

Did you? Yeah, I came across that picture yesterday. Looked at it for a second and though to myself "looks like a boy" and kept on web surfing. Didn't even phase me.

241 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:42:32pm

re: #230 allegro

Chinese commitments have the half life of rice paper in a typhoon. Do not be fooled.

242 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:43:38pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Pam Sez...


Ha!

Integrity is not Pam's strong point.

243 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:43:39pm

re: #239 iossarian

So you agree that we should sign on to international agreements limiting the emission of greenhouse gasses?

Yes, I do.

That said, the onus has to be borne equally.

244 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:43:41pm

re: #238 researchok

Right- but their numbers are rising.

OK, so how about we sign an agreement whereby they freeze their per-capita emissions and we reduce ours to the same level as them?

245 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:44:58pm

re: #244 iossarian

OK, so how about we sign an agreement whereby they freeze their per-capita emissions and we reduce ours to the same level as them?

No problem here.

Question- How do we enforce the commitment? What kind of penalties should there be for non compliance?

246 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:45:51pm

re: #240 Gus 802

Read her post when you have the time. She sounds like an awesome mom.

247 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:45:58pm

re: #241 Rightwingconspirator

Chinese commitments have the half life of rice paper in a typhoon. Do not be fooled.

China is heavily subsidizing green technology. I don't much care about their motivations. We're doing... what? Not even paying lip service anymore according to the new House majority. They are announcing "climate gone" with glee.

248 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:45:59pm

re: #245 researchok

No problem here.

Question- How do we enforce the commitment? What kind of penalties should there be for non compliance?

We don't and can't enforce anything. We just do it ourselves, and continue to beg, plead, cajole, and threaten, knowing that at least we are gigantic hypocrites for trying.

249 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:46:20pm

re: #248 Fozzie Bear

pimf *aren't

250 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:47:30pm

re: #229 Gus 802

Outrage over little boy in girl costume! (Video)

I just read about this on Facebook. I applaud the mother for defending her kid's decision.

251 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:47:36pm

re: #247 allegro

China is heavily subsidizing green technology. I don't much care about their motivations. We're doing... what? Not even paying lip service anymore according to the new House majority. They are announcing "climate gone" with glee.

They will own our energy sector in 20 years, because they will have fully developed technologies implemented by the time we finally develop the political will to regulate fossil fuels enough that alternatives become economically compelling.

252 theheat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:47:44pm

re: #229 Gus 802

I made Little Heat so realistic a couple times it made the other mothers sorta grossed out. Scared the hell out of the other little kids. (I had years of source material to draw from.)

But if he wanted to be Daphne from Scooby Doo, I would have been totally cool with it.

253 HC4BO  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:48:48pm

" CNN institutes a similar policy. "

==========================


Funny. CNN felt the need to put that in there ...


IF this were say a hannity on Fox, he may be signing a new 9 digit contract right about now ...

254 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:49:11pm

re: #245 researchok

No problem here.

Question- How do we enforce the commitment? What kind of penalties should there be for non compliance?

Well, a rough sketch would be that you have a development fund/bank into which countries pay fees for exceeding their per-capita emissions allowance, and which makes contributions to projects that reduce emissions.

255 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:49:26pm

re: #248 Fozzie Bear

We don't and can't enforce anything. We just do it ourselves, and continue to beg, plead, cajole, and threaten, knowing that at least we are gigantic hypocrites for trying.

OK, let's assume we are in it by ourselves.

The best we can really do is make things better here. On that I agree 100%. I'm all for more sustainability In the long run, we'll be better off for it in a whole lot of ways.

Now suppose a major polluter wants to export his widgets in the US. Should we penalize him and refuse because his manufacturing process contributes to a large carbon footprint?

256 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:49:27pm

re: #244 iossarian

All of that ignores what also has to happen to turn AGW around. -We have to curtail coal and wood burning. The largest part of the undeveloped/tribal world has to be uplifted to clean heat too or the effort fails. Long term it appears that has to happen by any means available.

Six or eight billion can each only have a fraction of the footprint we been used to since the population was less than three billion. Daunting. Very daunting.

257 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:50:13pm

re: #254 iossarian

Well, a rough sketch would be that you have a development fund/bank into which countries pay fees for exceeding their per-capita emissions allowance, and which makes contributions to projects that reduce emissions.

I like that. Let's hope collection enforcement works. Also, who submits the numbers?

258 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:50:38pm

re: #252 theheat

I made Little Heat so realistic a couple times it made the other mothers sorta grossed out. Scared the hell out of the other little kids. (I had years of source material to draw from.)

But if he wanted to be Daphne from Scooby Doo, I would have been totally cool with it.

That's an adorable costume.

I know plenty of mothers who dressed their 3-year-old sons as Queen Esther and I never heard anyone complain about it.

259 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:50:40pm

re: #255 researchok

Now suppose a major polluter wants to export his widgets in the US. Should we penalize him and refuse because his manufacturing process contributes to a large carbon footprint?

yes

260 theheat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:50:49pm

re: #214 iossarian

3) "If China and India do nothing, there's no point in us doing anything."

That one is so, so old. I think it must have been etched on stone tablets and standard issue for the GOP, because I have been hearing it for years.

261 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:50:54pm

In 20-30 years, admitting you were a republican in the 20-teens will be tantamount to saying you were a communist or a skinhead.

History will not be kind th the current incarnation of the GOP. If they are lucky, the mob won't literally tear them to pieces should they really succeed in gutting our economy and environment over the next decade.

262 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:51:49pm

re: #259 allegro

yes

I agree.

263 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:52:07pm

re: #257 researchok

I like that. Let's hope collection enforcement works. Also, who submits the numbers?

I don't see why you wouldn't use the IEA numbers, at least to start with.

Obviously people will try to skirt the regulations and fudge their numbers, this kind of thing happens all the time with any kind of international treaty. But you're still in a much better place than you would be with no treaty at all.

Anyway, it's a moot point for at least the next two years.

264 webevintage  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:52:15pm

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

Weird, dude. Do you follow me around the interwebs or something. I was reading that woman's blog post about this just yesterday.

Yeah...she was much nicer then me to the other mothers who would have gotten nothing but a STFU comment...BUT and have no idea why, people like that have never screwed with me.
It might be because I am so open to sharing my opinions that they know I won't pay any attention to them anyway.

265 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:52:49pm

re: #263 iossarian

I don't see why you wouldn't use the IEA numbers, at least to start with.

Obviously people will try to skirt the regulations and fudge their numbers, this kind of thing happens all the time with any kind of international treaty. But you're still in a much better place than you would be with no treaty at all.

Anyway, it's a moot point for at least the next two years.

I agree on all counts.

266 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:52:56pm

re: #246 Slumbering Behemoth

Read her post when you have the time. She sounds like an awesome mom.

Just finished. She is for sure. And the young boy is going to church pre-school and the father is a police detective and he's cool with it too. Overall they sound very healthy.

267 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:53:07pm

re: #247 allegro

Sure they are. It took big subsidies to retool for CFL bulb production. That we buy.

268 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:53:29pm

Same Sex Pair on Israel's Dancing With the Stars

Pat Robertson could not be reached for comment.
/and by "could not be reached", I mean fuck his opinion

269 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:54:05pm

re: #255 researchok

OK, let's assume we are in it by ourselves.

The best we can really do is make things better here. On that I agree 100%. I'm all for more sustainability In the long run, we'll be better off for it in a whole lot of ways.

Now suppose a major polluter wants to export his widgets in the US. Should we penalize him and refuse because his manufacturing process contributes to a large carbon footprint?

We should tariff those good, in my opinion. Trade on an uneven playing field creates trade imbalances, which impoverish nations. As we have seen. But, I have been in favor of using tariffs or the threat of tariffs for quite some time now to deal with the issues of employment and currency imbalances. This isn't a popular position, but I think that is part of why we are in the shit we are in. We yanked out our teeth and sat down to negotiate with wolves. Should we be surprised we got fucked?

270 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:54:46pm

re: #261 Fozzie Bear

History will not be kind th the current incarnation of the GOP. If they are lucky, the mob won't literally tear them to pieces should they really succeed in gutting our economy and environment over the next decade.

Do you really think most people are paying attention? Cuz I guarantee you they are not. It's hard enough for most to get through their days with work and family obligations. Unless conditions direct affect them and mack them flat in the kisser they are someone else's problem.

How do I know this? 35 years of environmental activism.

271 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:56:12pm

Actually, you might be on to something.

All free trade agreements ought to be subject to carbon emission and other pollution benchmarks

272 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:56:12pm

re: #270 allegro

Do you really think most people are paying attention? Cuz I guarantee you they are not. It's hard enough for most to get through their days with work and family obligations. Unless conditions direct affect them and mack them flat in the kisser they are someone else's problem.

How do I know this? 35 years of environmental activism.

A propaganda industry can only keep people under so deep of a spell for so long. Eventually, people don't believe anything you say, and that tends to happen right around the time they don't have anything left to lose.

A disenfranchised and angry people is a very dangerous thing.

273 garhighway  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:56:34pm

re: #218 researchok

I'm sorry I'm not the adversary you want me to be.

I'm sorry you're willing to let someone else's bad behavior stop you from doing the right thing.

274 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:56:48pm

re: #271 researchok

Actually, you might be on to something.

All free trade agreements ought to be subject to carbon emission and other pollution benchmarks

Fozzie, that was to you.

275 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:57:21pm

re: #273 garhighway

I'm sorry you're willing to let someone else's bad behavior stop you from doing the right thing.

He clarified.

276 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:57:23pm

re: #271 researchok

Actually, you might be on to something.

All free trade agreements ought to be subject to carbon emission and other pollution benchmarks

Please, please, please run for office on a GOP ticket. No sarc.

277 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 12:59:29pm

re: #276 iossarian

Please, please, please run for office on a GOP ticket. No sarc.

The Chamber of Commerce would destroy his campaign with billions in donations.

There is no way for a candidate that endorses tariffs to win high office in the US. It's not possible. Thus, the agenda is set. Tariffs are no longer on the list of acceptable options in politics in the US. Large corporations wouldn't like that, and frankly, they own our political system now.

278 leftynyc  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:00:41pm

re: #268 Slumbering Behemoth

Same Sex Pair on Israel's Dancing With the Stars

Pat Robertson could not be reached for comment.
/and by "could not be reached", I mean fuck his opinion


You can be sure that whatever evil falls on Israel (G-d forbid) in the next few months will be blamed on this by Robertson and his moronic ilk.

279 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:02:04pm

re: #276 iossarian

Please, please, please run for office on a GOP ticket. No sarc.

LOLOL

That would never work. I pretty much piss just about everyone off. In politics, I ride my own pony.

280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:02:18pm

Keith... dumbass.
(me hates the fringies)
(all of thems)

281 JeffM70  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:02:26pm

I'm on the fence with this one because Olbermann is not a journalist and does not pretend to be non-partisan. Ethically speaking he still should have disclosed the donations.


Over at Crooks and Liars they are pointing out that Comcast, MSNBC's new owners gave heavily to the Anschutz Group this year, which two of the Democrats Olbermann gave money to. Comcast gave to the RGA. Suggest maybe there's more to this suspension that his donations. At the very least, the increasing control of the media by a few corporations should make everyone uncomfortable.

282 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:03:17pm

re: #281 JeffM70

At the very least, the increasing control of the media by a few corporations should make everyone uncomfortable.

No, no, it's the government you should be afraid of. Corporations just want to make you happy.

283 redbird250  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:03:24pm

Keith will do the talk show tour,
More people will hear about what he is all about,
He will come back to bigger ratings.

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:03:37pm

re: #279 researchok

I wonder how long it would take me to tell someone to "Go fuck yourself" if I were an elected official.

Could probably be counted in the nano-seconds.

285 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:04:03pm

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wonder how long it would take me to tell someone to "Go fuck yourself" if I were an elected official.

Could probably be counted in the nano-seconds.

LOL- clearly, we must be related.

286 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:04:13pm

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wonder how long it would take me to tell someone to "Go fuck yourself" if I were an elected official.

Could probably be counted in the nano-seconds.

You ARE Dick Cheney! KNEW IT!

287 JeffM70  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:04:39pm

re: #282 iossarian

No, no, it's the government you should be afraid of. Corporations just want to make you happy.

I believe that with all my heart.

288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:05:11pm

re: #282 iossarian

That seems to be forgotten with regularity.

289 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:05:13pm

re: #278 leftynyc

You can be sure that whatever evil falls on Israel (G-d forbid) in the next few months will be blamed on this by Robertson and his moronic ilk.

Not to mention Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef.

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:05:29pm

re: #286 iossarian

neener

291 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:05:40pm

Most comments there are pretty nice but I just came across this sicko:

John says:
November 5, 2010 at 2:00 pm

I am truely inspiered. I’m inspired to find an island large enough to put all of you freaks on… use helicopters to douse you all in gasoline… and let my 5 year son light the match that would solve alot of this world’s problems.

292 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:07:13pm

re: #207 Charles

You should post this as an LGF Page.

Done, expanded and with links to papers to back the claims.

293 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:07:30pm

re: #277 Fozzie Bear

The Chamber of Commerce would destroy his campaign with billions in donations.

There is no way for a candidate that endorses tariffs to win high office in the US. It's not possible. Thus, the agenda is set. Tariffs are no longer on the list of acceptable options in politics in the US. Large corporations wouldn't like that, and frankly, they own our political system now.

Maybe, but I like Iossarians' idea.

Tie import penalties to carbon footprint and pollution indexes.

If China wants to export to Walmart, that's the deal.

If 'Peggy' from Citibank in Dehli wants to keep her credit card customer service job, she'll have to pressure her government to do the right thing.

It both a top down/bottom up proposition.

294 _remembertonyc  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:08:28pm

There's a story on this on the NY Times web site and it says MSNBC essentially used olbermann as a sacrificial lamb in it's plan to show MSNBC is different from FNC because they won't allow contributions as FNC does. I think that while that is probably true, I know Keith and if he returns to the air on MSNBC, he will become even more hardened in his position and likely FORCE them to fire him eventually.

I can't do a link to the NYT story, but the column is called "Media Decoder."

295 researchok  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:10:44pm

re: #294 _remembertonyc

There's a story on this on the NY Times web site and it says MSNBC essentially used olbermann as a sacrificial lamb in it's plan to show MSNBC is different from FNC because they won't allow contributions as FNC does. I think that while that is probably true, I know Keith and if he returns to the air on MSNBC, he will become even more hardened in his position and likely FORCE them to fire him eventually.

I can't do a link to the NYT story, but the column is called "Media Decoder."

Juan Williams got $2 million after being fired. Maybe Olbermann is smartert than he looks.
/

296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:11:56pm

OT... this is always fun... wasting some time in a hotel lobby... afternoon free "snacks" were just put out.

It's a geriatric stampede.

Nice hotel too. These folks have money.

I love watching old people and free food.

297 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:12:57pm

re: #296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT... this is always fun... wasting some time in a hotel lobby... afternoon free "snacks" were just put out.

It's a geriatric stampede.

Nice hotel too. These folks have money.

I love watching old people and free food.

I must be an old person then, because I fucking love a free meal. Then again, I love meals in general, so maybe i'm the wrong guy to cite on this one.

298 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:13:16pm

re: #272 Fozzie Bear

A propaganda industry can only keep people under so deep of a spell for so long. Eventually, people don't believe anything you say, and that tends to happen right around the time they don't have anything left to lose.

A disenfranchised and angry people is a very dangerous thing.

Especially if they're hungry and/or thirsty from not having sufficient safe food or water.

299 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:13:30pm

re: #237 researchok

What you have been writing on this has been somewhat nutty from the start. After the disastrous monsoons and crop failures this year, China, Russia and India have had something of a change of heart.

Also, bringing politics to a scientific discussion is already admitting defeat for a righty.

It does not matter how hard you think making a change is or who you have to convince. It must be done. The consequences of not doing so are too sever.

In short, there is nothing in your possible quiver - even if you had your facts straight, that could possibly outweigh saving our civilization as we know it, and billions of lives.

300 webevintage  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:14:30pm

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wonder how long it would take me to tell someone to "Go fuck yourself" if I were an elected official.

Could probably be counted in the nano-seconds.

I don't know how they do it.
The things that would come out of my mouth if I was a politician.
There is no way I could sit on a committee that has some fool explaining why climate change is not real without just saying "you have got to be fucking kidding me?".

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302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:16:17pm

re: #297 Fozzie Bear

I must be an old person then, because I fucking love a free meal. Then again, I love meals in general, so maybe i'm the wrong guy to cite on this one.

The day of the Haiti earthquake; I was in a hotel "Hawthorne Suites" free dinner is put out. There was obviously an old people conference in town... I'm still thinking the stamped of walkers and Orthopedic shoes may have caused it.

I was on LGF that night. This was before I knew of the depth of the destruction. Was funny up until then.

303 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:16:40pm

re: #293 researchok

Maybe, but I like Iossarians' idea.

Tie import penalties to carbon footprint and pollution indexes.

If China wants to export to Walmart, that's the deal.

If 'Peggy' from Citibank in Dehli wants to keep her credit card customer service job, she'll have to pressure her government to do the right thing.

It both a top down/bottom up proposition.

I would say also tie them to wages, such that if Chinese company X pays its workers 10 dollars an hour less than what you would have to pay american workers making a similar product, and the product takes 3 man-hours to make, then there is a 30 dollar tariff per unit on the import.

304 Halman  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:16:41pm

I am out here....Charles, remove me from your membership...

305 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:16:42pm

re: #300 webevintage

Especially if one has to hear it from that gomer Inhofe.

306 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:17:07pm

re: #300 webevintage

I don't know how they do it.
The things that would come out of my mouth if I was a politician.
There is no way I could sit on a committee that has some fool explaining why climate change is not real without just saying "you have got to be fucking kidding me?".

Some do say that. Their fate? See Grayson, Alan.

307 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:17:34pm

re: #304 Halman

Blah, blah, blah.

308 _remembertonyc  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:18:24pm

re: #295 researchok

Juan Williams got $2 million after being fired. Maybe Olbermann is smartert than he looks.
/

He is smart, but totally nuts.

309 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:18:44pm

I did not bake a pie today, because yesterday I baked 8 weeks' worth of Shabbat challah. I did bake a nice streusel coffee cake.

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:19:00pm

re: #304 Halman

We were wondering when you'd finally go.

311 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:19:08pm

I never understood why people can't just stop coming here, rather than flouncing in some dramatic fashion. I've "stealth flounced" like 10 times, as in, quietly acknowledge that i'm getting pissed and take a self-imposed break. Is it really so hard to just walk away from the keyboard?

312 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:19:22pm

re: #309 Alouette

I did not bake a pie today, because yesterday I baked 8 weeks' worth of Shabbat challah. I did bake a nice streusel coffee cake.

You do this just to torture us, don't you?

313 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:19:51pm

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We were wondering when you'd finally go.

Really? I'd never noticed that nic before.

314 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:20:06pm

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We were wondering when you'd finally go.

Why just the other day when I had Ice on the phone I asked her, "so, when do you think Halman is going to flounce?"

//

315 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:20:27pm

re: #304 Halman

"Cancel your own god damn subscription!"
- William F. Buckley Jr.

316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:20:33pm

re: #311 Fozzie Bear
Yes. Yes it is.

re: #312 allegro
Yes. Yes she does.

317 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:20:37pm

re: #41 LudwigVanQuixote

That's more serious than you latch on to. GOP economic theories have only gotten more crazy since then. Paul is in charge of the Fed for G-d's sake.

Let's get it clear, GOP pro business means making certain that pesky laws or mere morality do not get in the way of squeezing out that last cent of profit, this quarter, and fuck the future.

They gave us the SnL crisis, the largest deficits in our history, the Wall Street crash, Enron and a whole lot more.

Right now they are going to see how much more the environment can be utterly destroyed. They will have their profits and you will have less arable land and drinking water - but what economy has things like food and water at its base? Silly liberals think that you need those things to sustain a nation.

Conservatives need to consider a hard reset. Teddy Roosevelt's ghost is going to haunt today's crop. EVERY economy has food and water at its base. No food, no water, no economy.

Liberals would have better luck bringing wavering conservatives back from this insanity if they'd be more open to conservative-style approaches to liberal ends.

Say we want to limit CO2 emissions.

Fix 1: Ban breathing.
Fix 2: Ban the use of coal.
Fix 3: Ban the use of coal except when the government gives permission. Exceptions made on a case by case basis.
Fix 4: Ban the use of coal beyond a set quota, companies allowed to trade within that quota.
Fix 5: Tax the use of coal, and use the proceeds to fund general revenue.
Fix 6: Tax the use of coal, and use the proceeds to fund development of wind/solar/nuclear.
Fix 7: Tax the use of coal, and use the proceeds to reimburse consumers for the average extra cost they'd incur if they consumed an average amount of electricity. Those who used less would come out ahead; those who used more would come out behind.

Fix 1 is ridiculous, but it's the liberal solution taken to its logical extreme. Fixes 2, 3, 4 are anathema to conservatives and not really very good approaches in any case. Assuming they could be implemented, which they can't because conservatives have the votes to block them.
Fixes 5, 6, 7 are approaches that might be something conservatives could swallow.

To the extent that conservatives are reading this post, hear and believe: AGW is real. You do not want a series of crop failures. The four horsemen ride if it comes to that, and questions of tax rates and stock options become moot. You have got to grasp that above all else, the earth itself, with a climate that suits our species, must be conserved. Lose that and lose everything.

To the extent that liberals are reading this post, give a thought to this: accept any solution to AGW that conservatives will sign on to. Even if it's not much of a fit for your wider agenda. The earth itself, with a climate that suits our species, must be conserved. Lose that, even if it's mostly the fault of conservatives, and all is lost.

318 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:21:06pm

re: #309 Alouette

I did not bake a pie today, because yesterday I baked 8 weeks' worth of Shabbat challah. I did bake a nice streusel coffee cake.

I need to befriend some local jews. I'm curious about kosher food. I dated a russian jewish woman for years, but her family's eating habits were decidedly russian, not so much kosher.

319 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:21:43pm

re: #3 Obdicut

For the record, I think Olberman was a blowhard who often did a disservice to good arguments by making them personal.

But anyone gloating over this is going to have to consider that MSNBC is acting with integrity here.

Which goes rather wildly against the actions of Fox.

Get outta my head man!!!!!

320 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:21:54pm

re: #309 Alouette

I did not bake a pie today, because yesterday I baked 8 weeks' worth of Shabbat challah. I did bake a nice streusel coffee cake.

How much challah is that, exactly?

Useless tid bit of amusing information:

On Grand Ave in Oakland, CA, there's a Jewish bakery that has a gimmick painted on the outside of the window "Every Day is a Challah Day."

321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:22:51pm

re: #313 iossarian

re: #314 Gus 802

211 comments. He was my best friend.

"I am going to miss him."
-Dr. Peter Venkhman, Ghostbusters.

322 celticdragon  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:23:29pm

re: #304 Halman

What? No ad hominems and remarks about how the site changed?
Strictly an amateur flounce. No passion in it at all.

323 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:23:51pm

re: #317 lostlakehiker


Fix 5: Tax the use of coal, and use the proceeds to fund general revenue.
Fix 6: Tax the use of coal, and use the proceeds to fund development of wind/solar/nuclear.
Fix 7: Tax the use of coal, and use the proceeds to reimburse consumers for the average extra cost they'd incur if they consumed an average amount of electricity. Those who used less would come out ahead; those who used more would come out behind.

Fixes 5, 6, 7 are approaches that might be something conservatives could swallow.

Which conservative politicians do you know who would consider any of those fixes? Signing on to any of these at the moment means instant primary from the Club for Growth.

I mean, it's nice to imagine that there are "conservatives" out there who would go for these solutions, but have we really seen any self-designated conservatives voting this way, at all, in the last 10 years?

324 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:24:01pm

re: #322 celticdragon

What? No ad hominems and remarks about how the site changed?
Strictly an amateur flounce. No passion in it at all.

Flounce again but this time with feeling!

/

325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:24:57pm

Later knuckleheads!

326 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:24:58pm

re: #317 lostlakehiker

Fix 5: Tax the use of coal, and use the proceeds to fund general revenue.
Fix 6: Tax the use of coal, and use the proceeds to fund development of wind/solar/nuclear.
Fix 7: Tax the use of coal, and use the proceeds to reimburse consumers for the average extra cost they'd incur if they consumed an average amount of electricity. Those who used less would come out ahead; those who used more would come out behind.
...
Fixes 5, 6, 7 are approaches that might be something conservatives could swallow.

Have you been paying attention at all? Tax? Really?

327 webevintage  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:25:33pm

re: #306 allegro

Some do say that. Their fate? See Grayson, Alan.

I really liked Grayson, but I think he lost because of that "Taliban Dan" commercial.

329 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:26:26pm

re: #323 iossarian

Which conservative politicians do you know who would consider any of those fixes? Signing on to any of these at the moment means instant primary from the Club for Growth.

I mean, it's nice to imagine that there are "conservatives" out there who would go for these solutions, but have we really seen any self-designated conservatives voting this way, at all, in the last 10 years?

To many "conservatives" today, especially the actively committed ones, this doesn't matter anyway because Jesus is coming back soon. Won't they be surprised when they find out He and Teddy Roosevelt were the same person?

330 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:26:41pm

re: #317 lostlakehiker

The GOP will never accept any form of tax, tariff, adjustment, credit system, or any other mechanism which could reasonably make it more expensive to pollute. Ever. Not in a million years.

Congratulations, you are becoming a "liberal" in the hard-right parlance of American politics.

331 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:26:52pm

re: #206 researchok

Lots of good points here. The Bangladesh reference (as well as those islands in the pacific that are slowly 'sinking' are watershed events that are being ignored.

Still, unless China and India get on board, I don't see how anything we can do will make a difference.

In many ways, we really are playing for time.

India and China are thinking about it. China has a huge investment in wind power and they're second or third in the world, after the U.S. and maybe after Germany? Britain? China is also forging ahead with solar power. They're more under the gun than the U.S., in the sense that they get hit harder sooner than we do as this unfolds. For one thing, they don't have as much leeway with their food supply as we do.

India isn't as big a problem just yet because India doesn't use nearly as much coal as China. But India has to be looking at the recent floods in Pakistan and fretting. It's bad luck to have 20% of your population get flooded out and lose its crop.

But the way things are going, that scenario isn't bad luck. It's just normal luck. The new normal sucks. And this is just the beginning.

China will come aboard if the U.S. agrees, with teeth and for real, that we're in as long as they're in.

332 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:27:18pm

re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Later knuckleheads!

Be well, sizzle chest.

333 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:27:23pm

A "Keith Olberman got suspended" flounce. What are the odds? Should I drop a dollar on the Lotto today?

334 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:27:42pm

re: #304 Halman

Too late. Looks like "me" has already been blocked!

me
This user is blocked.

Karma: 187
Registered since: May 15, 2007 at 6:09 pm

No. of comments posted: 554
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Recent comments

335 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:29:36pm

re: #330 Fozzie Bear


Congratulations, you are becoming a "liberal" in the hard-right parlance of American politics.

I'm not sure whether it's a good thing or a bad thing that so many of the rightward-leaning commenters on this site are basically espousing views that would render them persona non grata in the GOP.

Tax carbon! Spend the revenue on improving infrastructure!

336 celticdragon  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:29:40pm

re: #324 Gus 802

Flounce again but this time with feeling!

/

It seems this malcontent just showed up in the middle of a thread he has not participated in at all to flounce. He doesn't even seem to have been active since 2007.

What the deuce? He just ran out of assholish things to do today?

337 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:30:05pm

It was such a tender beginning...

312 Halman 3/28/2008 12:52:43 pm PDT

I viewed the film earlier today. The reality of the film did not live up to many expectations. Was somewhat tame. I do give Wilder praise for his boldness and true grit. The cowardice actions of the EU is expected. BTW I am a new hatchling and this is my first post. Have been a regular at LGF for about 2 years.

338 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:30:15pm

re: #328 publicityStunted

Ha ha...this cartoon from The Economist says it all when it comes to the issue of "Bipartisanship"

That's pretty damn funny.

339 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:30:47pm

re: #336 celticdragon

It seems this malcontent just showed up in the middle of a thread he has not participated in at all to flounce. He doesn't even seem to have been active since 2007.

What the deuce? He just ran out of assholish things to do today?

Yeah. About the only thing I've seen him do this week is a few down dings.

340 JeffFX  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:31:02pm

re: #336 celticdragon

upding for "what the deuce."

341 webevintage  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:31:12pm

re: #322 celticdragon

What? No ad hominems and remarks about how the site changed?
Strictly an amateur flounce. No passion in it at all.

Really.
Where were the crazy !!!!111!!!! or calling everyone "lesbians and bitches" or maybe a rant about Pelosi and Obambi?
If you are gonna mention that you are leaving the least you could do was entertain me on the way out the door.

342 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:32:10pm

re: #339 Gus 802

Yeah. About the only thing I've seen him do this week is a few down dings.

Dinging just isn't as satisfying as it used to be.

343 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:32:46pm

re: #337 wrenchwench

It was such a tender beginning...

[snif]

344 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:32:53pm

re: #341 webevintage

Nah, he just really, really loves Olberman, and this post has him all verklempt and weepy.

345 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:33:49pm

re: #344 Slumbering Behemoth

Nah, he just really, really loves Olberman, and this post has him all verklempt and weepy.

Really. So Halman is really an Olbermann fan. Man's got to stick together.

346 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:33:50pm

As per request, I have made a new page:

A matter of life and death

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I expanded my previous post and backed my claims with all sorts of hard science papers of the sort that "conservative" people never read.

The good lizards at LGF do read actual science though. Anyone who thinks what I wrote was too harsh or overly pessimistic needs to look at the data, the numbers and the analysis first. Everything I claimed is now referenced.

It is not my opinions I am reporting. I am reporting facts.

As to so called conservative solutions...

IF IT DOES NOT FIX THE PROBLEM IT IS NOT A SOLUTION. WRAP YOUR BRAIN AROUND HOW BAD THE PROBLEM REALLY IS BEFORE BEING SO CAVILER.

347 leftynyc  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:35:36pm

Back to Olbermann for a moment. I got this from another blog. Apparently the excuse Griffen is using that Keith violated NBC ethics rules is BS - MSNBC hasn't had to answer to those rules for quite some time. I really don't know anything about Gawker but if they're reliable, another hmmmmm moment.

[Link: gawker.com...]

348 elizajane  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:36:47pm

re: #345 Gus 802

Really. So Halman is really an Olbermann fan. Man's got to stick together.

They must come out swinging their hockey sticks...

349 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:37:47pm

re: #304 Halman
Dear Daddy,

I hate you!

Love, Halman

350 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:38:08pm

re: #347 leftynyc

Who knows. I've been rather suspicious of their integrity since they breathlessly posted an anonymous "kiss & tell" story regarding a politician.

351 Pickles  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:38:27pm

Well it seems pretty hypocritical to fire him for the contribution aspect. It's not like he's been hiding his feelings about the candidates or his philosophy. I mean come on. This just seems like a red herring. I could be wrong of course...

352 leftynyc  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:39:56pm

re: #309 Alouette

I did not bake a pie today, because yesterday I baked 8 weeks' worth of Shabbat challah. I did bake a nice streusel coffee cake.

Swoon!!! Homemade challah? You wouldn't happen to be in the New York area would you?

Wishing you a great Shabbos.

353 celticdragon  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:40:03pm

re: #348 elizajane

They must come out swinging their hockey sticks...


Sounds like a game of Brockian Ultra Cricket..

354 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:40:32pm

re: #318 Fozzie Bear

I need to befriend some local jews. I'm curious about kosher food. I dated a russian jewish woman for years, but her family's eating habits were decidedly russian, not so much kosher.

Get yourself invited to a Chabad House Shabbat supper. Or, just show up.

355 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:41:15pm

re: #247 allegro

China is heavily subsidizing green technology. I don't much care about their motivations. We're doing... what? Not even paying lip service anymore according to the new House majority. They are announcing "climate gone" with glee.

Well, we have more wind power up and running than China does, and we're building more. We're also moving fairly quickly toward CF and then LED lighting. For all our failures in the public sphere, the sheer incentives to efficiency and the advantages of "free fuel" are driving the U.S. toward a high-efficiency, more-green fuel cycle.

We can ramp this up. We won't be starting from scratch.

356 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:42:18pm

Woot!

Image: 999x.jpg

Swiss pilot Yves Rossy, the first man in the world to fly under a jet-fitted wing, speeds through the air performing a looping after launching from a hot air balloon on November 5, 2010 above Bercher, western Switzerland. Rossy jumped out of a hot air ballon at about 2,000 meters height.

357 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:42:50pm

I have not yet heard the results of my job interview from Wednesday. I am very confident in my abilities. They told me I might not hear from them until next week.

358 sagehen  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:43:15pm

re: #327 webevintage

I really liked Grayson, but I think he lost because of that "Taliban Dan" commercial.

He lost because he was a bad fit for his district; that commercial was a desperation move when it was already clear he was going to lose.

359 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:43:28pm

re: #356 Gus 802

Woot!

Image: 999x.jpg

More here.

360 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:43:43pm

re: #355 lostlakehiker

We can ramp this up. We won't be starting from scratch.

Sure we can. We could have decades ago and if we had we would be essentially energy independent today.

Will we? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

(sorry, I am feeling VERY cynical today. Can't imagine why.)

361 theheat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:46:39pm

re: #330 Fozzie Bear

The GOP will never accept any form of tax, tariff, adjustment, credit system, or any other mechanism which could reasonably make it more expensive to pollute. Ever. Not in a million years.

I object to one thing, it would be at least two million years. Or, sometime around the twelfth of never.

They'll do anything for the environment so long as it doesn't cost a dime, add a millisecond of inconvenience, or mean they have to stop polluting. Everything else is good to go. But that. But everything else is cool. 'Cept that.

362 JamesWI  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:47:54pm

Funny, for someone who apparently wants nothing to do with the site, and wants Charles to ban him, "Halman" still is viewing this page.

363 JeffFX  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:48:04pm

re: #360 allegro

We suffered a major setback on the road to energy-independence when Reagan was elected. We knew what we had to do in the 70's, and even had solar-panels on the White-House as an example to us all. Then the Republicans won, oil became temporarily less expensive, and it was like everyone forgot our situation.

364 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:48:24pm

re: #356 Gus 802

Woot!

Image: 999x.jpg

Video.

Swiss Rocket Man Soars with Wingsuit

Youtube Video
365 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:48:50pm

re: #363 JeffFX

We suffered a major setback on the road to energy-independence when Reagan was elected. We knew what we had to do in the 70's, and even had solar-panels on the White-House as an example to us all. Then the Republicans won, oil became temporarily less expensive, and it was like everyone forgot our situation.

... and Reagan had the solar panels removed.

366 theheat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:49:08pm

re: #363 JeffFX

And there was piles and piles of money to be made in the oil business, and anything related to the oil business.

367 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:50:11pm

re: #366 theheat

And James Watt, Interior Secretary, said conservation was a waste of money cuz the rapture would be here soon.

368 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:50:36pm

re: #330 Fozzie Bear

The GOP will never accept any form of tax, tariff, adjustment, credit system, or any other mechanism which could reasonably make it more expensive to pollute. Ever. Not in a million years.

Congratulations, you are becoming a "liberal" in the hard-right parlance of American politics.

My ambition is to be Nixon to China. Anyhow, the GOP did stand for limiting emissions of lead from auto gasoline. If the issue is framed correctly, opposing the necessary steps becomes political suicide.

The national climate defense act of 2011, anybody?

And then there's this: when playing, say, bridge, if you face a difficult situation as declarer, you have to think if there's any way the cards could lie, consistent with what you know for a fact, and any line of play based on the assumption that the cards do in fact sit as you hope, that permits you to make the contract. And then you play it like that.

There's no POINT assuming that conservatives will never, ever, allow civilization to scrape by this looming disaster. Because they've got enough backers, enough people who by innate disposition and long cultural immersion are not going to ever become liberals across the board, that brushing all conservative opposition aside and simply governing without any regard to what they think, is not feasible.

Conservatives have to be educated to the reality of what's afoot, and won over to some response that they can cope with accepting. Liberals have to recognize that any port in a storm will do, even if the solution chosen is, among the alternatives that would work, one that's more to the liking of conservatives than to the liking of liberals.

369 bratwurst  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:50:53pm

What a dumb thing for Olbermann to do, he deserves whatever punishment he gets.

However, I can't help but notice that conservatives love to have it both ways when it comes to MSNBC. They constantly obsess over their ratings, frequently drawing the dubious conclusion that Fox News Channel's huge rating advantage renders MSNBC utterly irrelevant, At the same time, conservatives here and elsewhere were decrying MSNBC's election coverage by complaining it was not "fair and balanced". If the network is so irrelevant, why do you even pay attention who they chose to feature on their election coverage?

370 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:51:27pm

re: #365 allegro

... and Reagan had the solar panels removed.

Some guy was talking upthread about spite. Can you imagine the sheer idiocy that would lead you to dismantle an improvement simply for the sake of sending a message to your backers that you're going to oppose any progress that might reduce their profits?

371 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:51:41pm

re: #367 allegro

And James Watt, Interior Secretary, said conservation was a waste of money cuz the rapture would be here soon.

Love that song!
//

Youtube Video
372 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:52:03pm

re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Later knuckleheads!

Are you channeling Wilbon?

373 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:52:59pm

re: #368 lostlakehiker

There's no POINT assuming that conservatives will never, ever, allow civilization to scrape by this looming disaster.

Who is assuming?

Climate Gone

374 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:53:33pm

re: #362 JamesWI

Funny, for someone who apparently wants nothing to do with the site, and wants Charles to ban him, "Halman" still is viewing this page.

It's just that he can't let go of his love for Keith Olbermann. I should post a pic for him to gush over.

375 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:54:53pm

re: #354 Alouette

Get yourself invited to a Chabad House Shabbat supper. Or, just show up.

Here's all he needs to know ... Most Jews eat Chinese food on Christmas. Any other questions?

376 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:55:08pm

re: #373 allegro

Who is assuming?

Climate Gone

This, a thousand times.

It is simply delusional to think that conservative leaders are going to come around to doing something meaningful about climate change.

If you want to continue to enable that, knock yourself out, but don't have the cheek to ask people to be polite to you while you do.

377 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:56:49pm

re: #376 iossarian

If you want to continue to enable that, knock yourself out, but don't have the cheek to ask people to be polite to you while you do.

Thank you. I am fighting my need to go on a serious tear.

378 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:58:18pm

re: #377 allegro

Thank you. I am fighting my need to go on a serious tear.

I am seriously done with the whole "you have to be nice to conservatives while they fuck everything up, otherwise their feelings will be hurt and they will not cooperate with you" shtick.

AS IF COOPERATION WAS IN THEIR FUCKING DICTIONARY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

379 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 1:58:35pm

GOP investigation plans are built on Fox News falsehoods

Also a few wingnut sites today are calling for an end to NASA funding because they promote a global warming agenda.

380 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:00:16pm

They probably figure right wing propaganda pays more so they are going to "adjust" their line up.

381 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:01:38pm

re: #380 Amory Blaine

They probably figure right wing propaganda pays more so they are going to "adjust" their line up.

Funny, that's exactly the suspicion that has been niggling at me since I heard about this.

382 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:01:44pm

re: #378 iossarian

AS IF COOPERATION WAS IN THEIR FUCKING DICTIONARY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Um... :waves hello:
/I know, I know. I'm not a politician, nor in a position of power...

383 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:01:45pm

re: #379 Killgore Trout

GOP investigation plans are built on Fox News falsehoods

Also a few wingnut sites today are calling for an end to NASA funding because they promote a global warming agenda.

BlackPantherPartyAcornVoterFraudGlobalWarmingConsipracyBirthCertificateSanFranciscoValuesRealAmericansBillAyersSecretMuslimMoonLandings...

We could just solve these problems if the liberals would stop making everything into a "political football"!

384 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:07:19pm

re: #382 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #378 iossarian

AS IF COOPERATION WAS IN THEIR FUCKING DICTIONARY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Um... :waves hello:
/I know, I know. I'm not a politician, nor in a position of power...

Are you voting for those who are? If so, that is your position.

385 iossarian  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:07:26pm

OK, I'm out of here. But before I go, I would like to apologize to people who define themselves as "conservative" and who genuinely do want to cooperate on such important issues as global warming, ending childhood poverty, sensible immigration reform and so on.

Please understand that when I shout about "conservatives", I mean the people in the GOP, who have absolutely no interest in making any progress on these fronts, and who simply want to hand over as much of the wealth in this country as possible to the top 1% of society.

I am truly sorry if I offend people. It would be nice if the word "conservative" was not associated with the kind of behavior I am talking about. My biggest sadness is for the fact that (I believe that) the "good" kind of conservative has lost a viable political outlet for his/her views over the past 20 years.

Have a good weekend, everyone.

386 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:07:35pm

re: #379 Killgore Trout

GOP investigation plans are built on Fox News falsehoods

Also a few wingnut sites today are calling for an end to NASA funding because they promote a global warming agenda.

Holy Inquisition!

387 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:08:17pm

re: #384 allegro

Are you voting for those who are? If so, that is your position.

Are you being hostile, or just assuming you know how I vote? Or am I just reading you wrong?

388 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:08:31pm

I am getting out of here too. Shabbos comes and I have things to do before the sun sets.

Please please look at the big post I made. I have all sorts of hard evidence for my claims on it.

390 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:14:27pm

re: #359 Gus 802

More here.


jetman.com
Home page here

391 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:14:40pm

re: #386 Shiplord Kirel

Holy Inquisition!

I'm actually not that worked up about the investigations. I'm a little more concerned about Ron Paul and the Fed. I think he's going to make as big of a mess as he can.

392 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:14:44pm

re: #304 Halman

I am out here...Charles, remove me from your membership...

Nah, make him "stay", just out of spite.

393 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:15:10pm

re: #387 Slumbering Behemoth

Are you being hostile, or just assuming you know how I vote? Or am I just reading you wrong?

Am I being hostile? Oh yes, to the GOP who are making it impossible to move this country forward to address much-needed problems that are getting worse by the day.

I am not assuming how you vote. Whoever you vote for is stating your agreement with their positions. If that is the GOP, then that is the platform you are stating your agreement with.

Every time I come here I see some conservatives say "but not me!" and then state their support for the GOP. I'm sorry, I just don't see how one can have it both ways. By voting Republican, you have assigned your voice.

394 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:15:35pm

re: #392 negativ

Nah, make him "stay", just out of spite.

It's working so far!

395 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:17:30pm

re: #26 LudwigVanQuixote

Just what I was going to say. At Fox, they pre-deduct your "contribution" from your pay I'll bet.

sorta like Huey Long's "deduct box"?

Every state employee who depended on Long for a job was expected to pay a portion of his or her salary at election time directly into Long's political war-chest, which raised $50,000 to $75,000 each election cycle. These funds were kept in a famous locked "deduct box" to be used at Long's discretion for political purposes.

Actually, the deducts were taken from every person on payday . . .

396 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:17:53pm

Crap.
I'm playing like I'm SFZ here, way behind . . .

397 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:18:05pm

re: #393 allegro

Cool off for a second, and take a moment to contemplate the fact that "conservative" and "republican" are not always synonymous.

398 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:18:11pm

re: #386 Shiplord Kirel

Holy Inquisition!

You're doing it wrong!

EVERYBODY expects the GOP Inquisition!

;)

399 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:22:05pm

re: #386 Shiplord Kirel

I remember when the GOP championed space exploration/research. (No I do NOT need a walker, or Ensure) Heh. Check this wiki out...
[Link: www.google.com...]

Reagan acted famously on acid rain. Set the stage for Co2 restrictions to just be the next chapter in pollution controls after acid rain, ozone and COx regulations.

These bastards stole my party. Pushed me to indy status, likely forever.

400 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:22:49pm

re: #397 Slumbering Behemoth

Cool off for a second, and take a moment to contemplate the fact that "conservative" and "republican" are not always synonymous.

They are when a vote is cast for a Republican today. Once upon a time one could vote for a party member whose personal stance was most fitting with one's own and know that that representative would vote against others of the party when there was disagreement. That isn't happening now in the Republican party. That is the kiss of death that loses them the next election.

A vote for a Republican now is a vote for lock-step with the party platform that, as we have seen, is quite clearly stated as to what they intend to do and not do. I'm sorry conservatives have no choices today. It sucks for everyone. But there it is.

401 albusteve  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:23:24pm

re: #397 Slumbering Behemoth

Cool off for a second, and take a moment to contemplate the fact that "conservative" and "republican" are not always synonymous.

of course not...the continued connection gets old, imo

402 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:24:46pm

re: #393 allegro

{{allegro}} Liberals and progressives in America are feeling very frustrated after the elections. The thing is, all those folks who voted for Republicans were expressing their (mostly) heartfelt, definite political opinion.
It's their American right. As my mom and I were saying today, we have to respect that and not just call them "stupid."
Think of how all those voters in 2008 were feeling the exact way you do now.

403 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:26:09pm

OK, I'm outa here till Saturday night.

404 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:27:49pm

re: #401 albusteve

of course not...the continued connection gets old, imo

Another shocka... "conservative" and "religious" are also not always synonymous. But I know you knew that already.

405 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:28:05pm

re: #402 prairiefire

{{allegro}} Liberals and progressives in America are feeling very frustrated after the elections. The thing is, all those folks who voted for Republicans were expressing their (mostly) heartfelt, definite political opinion.
It's their American right. As my mom and I were saying today, we have to respect that and not just call them "stupid."
Think of how all those voters in 2008 were feeling the exact way you do now.

Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you.

Those conservatives who are here, at LGF, have tried very hard to see the Obama administration in a non-partisan light, giving credit where due, refusing to assign blame when it's not warranted.

Those who could NOT do that have gone off the deep end. I'd hate to see any of our more liberal LGF'ers do the same thing at this time.

406 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:28:09pm

re: #402 prairiefire

It's their American right. As my mom and I were saying today, we have to respect that and not just call them "stupid."

Yes, it is their right. I also have not called them "stupid." I have said that when one casts a vote for a representative, one has assigned that representative their voice. To later say "but not me" and try to distance from the position one voted for is disingenuous.

407 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:28:38pm

re: #403 Alouette

OK, I'm outa here till Saturday night.

Good Shabbos! I am out too.

Final version of the page here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Free, Gus, Obdi, please keep it clean from riffraff while I'm gone.

408 theheat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:29:08pm

re: #379 Killgore Trout

They can redirect all that crazy science money from NASA to abstinence education.

409 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:29:12pm

re: #407 LudwigVanQuixote

Good Shabbos! I am out too.

Final version of the page here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Free, Gus, Obdi, please keep it clean from riffraff while I'm gone.

Later LVQ. Although I am ready for a nap!

410 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:30:07pm

re: #406 allegro

Yes, it is their right. I also have not called them "stupid." I have said that when one casts a vote for a representative, one has assigned that representative their voice. To later say "but not me" and try to distance from the position one voted for is disingenuous.

You'd be correct, assuming that you know how those people voted.

411 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:30:19pm

re: #407 LudwigVanQuixote

Good Shabbos! I am out too.

Final version of the page here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Free, Gus, Obdi, please keep it clean from riffraff while I'm gone.

Ohh and Slumbering Behemoth and Publicity Stunted too! Thanks guys.

412 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:30:28pm

re: #406 allegro

Right, you did not call them "stupid."

413 theheat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:31:05pm

re: #389 Killgore Trout

Such a pig. The lipstick isn't making a damn bit of difference.

414 albusteve  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:31:23pm

re: #404 Slumbering Behemoth

Another shocka... "conservative" and "religious" are also not always synonymous. But I know you knew that already.

I'm a non believing conservative...I don't much fit in anywhere

415 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:31:56pm

re: #406 allegro

Yes, it is their right. I also have not called them "stupid." I have said that when one casts a vote for a representative, one has assigned that representative their voice. To later say "but not me" and try to distance from the position one voted for is disingenuous.

OR, it could be that no one candidate will reflect every single one of my positions, and so I vote for the best possible one in my opinion (or in the case of the recent election, the one whose dishonesty affected his family not his constituents, rather than the one whose dishonesty affected his constituents but not his family).
Sometimes it's just not much of a choice. And yes, I will feel free to distance myself from positions I do not like, regardless of who I voted for.

It's OK to do.

416 Gus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:34:29pm

Nap time - later folks.

417 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:34:44pm

re: #415 reine.de.tout

Only on rare occasions do we have a truly great candidate at hand the fully represents our view and is of the "right" Er "Correct" party. All else is a compromise, or as I did on about 1/3rd of my ballot I witheld my vote. "Abstain" is legit sometimes. Sure I voted. Just not everything on there. I voted where I knew what was up, or at least had confidence.

418 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:35:20pm

re: #415 reine.de.tout

OR, it could be that no one candidate will reflect every single one of my positions, and so I vote for the best possible one in my opinion (or in the case of the recent election, the one whose dishonesty affected his family not his constituents, rather than the one whose dishonesty affected his constituents but not his family).
Sometimes it's just not much of a choice. And yes, I will feel free to distance myself from positions I do not like, regardless of who I voted for.

It's OK to do.

And I'll add . . .
I promise not to bitch at you if you distance yourself from policy positions by politicians who you seem you might supportive of.

419 freetoken  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:35:44pm

re: #379 Killgore Trout

GOP investigation plans are built on Fox News falsehoods

Also a few wingnut sites today are calling for an end to NASA funding because they promote a global warming agenda.

That's because one of the committees that oversees NASA is to be headed by this guy.

420 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:35:54pm

re: #404 Slumbering Behemoth

Another shocka... "conservative" and "religious" are also not always synonymous. But I know you knew that already.

Liberals like pie.

421 albusteve  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:36:21pm

trimming the budget, my style...

[Link: thehill.com...]

422 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:36:39pm

re: #417 Rightwingconspirator

Only on rare occasions do we have a truly great candidate at hand the fully represents our view and is of the "right" Er "Correct" party. All else is a compromise, or as I did on about 1/3rd of my ballot I witheld my vote. "Abstain" is legit sometimes. Sure I voted. Just not everything on there. I voted where I knew what was up, or at least had confidence.

It is very rare, actually I'd say it's never happened, to have a single candidate who I'm on board with 100%. The only way that would happen would be if I were the candidate!

423 albusteve  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:37:07pm

re: #420 Jeff In Ohio

Liberals like pie.

and they often use pie as a weapon....despicable eh?

424 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:37:12pm
Halman

This user is blocked.

Registered since: Oct 17, 2007 at 6:12 pm
No. of comments posted: 211
No. of Pages posted: 0

*sniff*

/

425 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:37:32pm

re: #420 Jeff In Ohio

Liberals like pie.

Bread pudding with caramel sauce, please.

426 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:37:41pm

re: #420 Jeff In Ohio

Liberals like pie.

Liar! Liberals don't like pie, they like other people's pie.
/

427 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:37:41pm

re: #424 wrenchwench

*sniff*

/

*double sniff*

He contributed so much!
/

428 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:37:59pm

re: #426 Slumbering Behemoth

Liar! Liberals don't like pie, they like other people's pie.
/

yer playin' with fire, there, SB.

429 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:38:31pm

re: #423 albusteve

and they often use pie as a weapon...despicable eh?

I think that's called assault.

430 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:39:04pm

re: #415 reine.de.tout

OR, it could be that no one candidate will reflect every single one of my positions, and so I vote for the best possible one in my opinion (or in the case of the recent election, the one whose dishonesty affected his family not his constituents, rather than the one whose dishonesty affected his constituents but not his family).
Sometimes it's just not much of a choice. And yes, I will feel free to distance myself from positions I do not like, regardless of who I voted for.

It's OK to do.

You are correct, of course. Total agreement is never going to happen. I guess what makes me most crazy is the number of conservatives who say that their overriding concerns are the deficit/big spending while saying they are socially liberal and environmentally concerned and still vote Republican. It seems to me a total disconnect from reality.

431 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:39:51pm

re: #428 reine.de.tout

I guess, but I included a sarc tag to show that I was saying that in a "tongue in cheek" manner.

I don't know how to do a "tongue in cheek" tag.

432 albusteve  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:40:28pm

re: #429 Jeff In Ohio

I think that's called assault.

yes, the assault pie should be banned

433 freetoken  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:41:04pm

Part of the attack on science by the wingnuts is to label scientific groups and bodies with the now pejorative "Big", as in this Fox headline:

Does Big Science Want a Change in Congress?

And sure enough, in the comments to that article, some nut chimes in with the hoped for comment:

ceeslouis 4 days ago
Science is no longer about facts or truth, if it ever was, it's about money & power.

434 jaunte  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:41:17pm

re: #427 reine.de.tout

*double sniff*

He contributed so much!
/

I guess I'll have to repurpose the special campaign to get Halman to buy a cookbook.

435 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:41:33pm

re: #426 Slumbering Behemoth

Liar! Liberals don't like pie, they like other people's pie.
/

I've started a pie collective. The people in it have no idea. It's fun! Bakunin is giggling.

436 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:42:10pm

re: #430 allegro

You are correct, of course. Total agreement is never going to happen. I guess what makes me most crazy is the number of conservatives who say that their overriding concerns are the deficit/big spending while saying they are socially liberal and environmentally concerned and still vote Republican. It seems to me a total disconnect from reality.

hehehe.
lemme make your head explode:
I'm socially conservative.
I'm environmentally concerned.
I do worry about spending/deficits (no matter who's bringing them on us).
I want gov't out of the way, so we can each live as liberally or as conservatively as we wish.

I will vote R or D, depending.

437 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:42:38pm

re: #434 jaunte

I guess I'll have to repurpose the special campaign to get Halman to buy a cookbook.

ROFL!
We'll have to come up with a spayshul sales pitch!

438 Lateralis  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:42:47pm

re: #430 allegro

It is not a disconnect from reality if their priority is deficit/big spending.

439 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:43:10pm

re: #315 Slumbering Behemoth

"Cancel your own god damn subscription!"
- William F. Buckley Jr.

You just gave me a humorous idea. The Flounce Feature. Coming to a blog near you. Just click and pick a classic lame flounce from a short list of the worst, your flounce is auto posted and your account is gone. Except the flounce comment would never really appear sparing us all the faux drama. ....

440 freetoken  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:43:28pm

Indeed, perhaps we can expect Bratfart to create yet another website called "Big Science" wherein we will learn of all the nasty scams and hoaxes (such as evolution and AGW) foisted upon the real America.

441 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:43:46pm

re: #438 Lateralis

It is not a disconnect from reality if their priority is deficit/big spending.

Were you paying attention to those issues during the Bush administration?

442 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:43:54pm

re: #433 freetoken

BIG SCIENCE IS RIPPING US OFF!!!

ceeslouis 4 days ago
Science is no longer about facts or truth, if it ever was, it's about money & power.

Of course, I can see it all so clearly now. How did I miss noticing all those super wealthy, super powerful scientists everywhere?
/

443 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:44:16pm

re: #429 Jeff In Ohio

I think that's called assault.

Assault and buttery

444 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:45:19pm

re: #443 Rightwingconspirator

Assault and buttery

The moonbat pie foundation is always flakey.

445 Lateralis  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:47:23pm

re: #441 allegro

yep. Didn't like what he did on that front at all. 2008 elections were a result of the wars and his complete lack fiscal restraint.

446 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:47:40pm

re: #444 Jeff In Ohio

The moonbat pie foundation is always flakey.

You only say that because you've been Morello Cherry picking comments.

447 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:48:46pm

re: #436 reine.de.tout

hehehe.
lemme make your head explode:
I'm socially conservative.
I'm environmentally concerned.
I do worry about spending/deficits (no matter who's bringing them on us).
I want gov't out of the way, so we can each live as liberally or as conservatively as we wish.

I will vote R or D, depending.

There are plenty of socially consdrvative and religious people who are serious about maintaining God's creation.

Back when Clinton was actually running a surplus, Rush Limbaugh criticized him over it becasue it meant that the government was taking more money from it than it needed to operate and that was unjust.

Now the government is just taking the money from our grandchildren...

448 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:49:31pm

re: #445 Lateralis

yep. Didn't like what he did on that front at all. 2008 elections were a result of the wars and his complete lack fiscal restraint.

Do you believe the Republicans currently serving will do anything differently?

449 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:50:25pm

re: #446 Slumbering Behemoth

Youtube Video
450 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:50:25pm

re: #448 allegro

I should add, those ABOUT to serve as well.

451 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:51:45pm

re: #446 Slumbering Behemoth

You only say that because you've been Morello Cherry picking comments.

Stop meringue-ing me.

452 Lateralis  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:53:21pm

re: #448 allegro

I don't have much faith in politicians. If they don't follow through with their promises on exercising fiscal restraint there will be another big swing in 2012.

453 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:54:09pm

re: #451 Jeff In Ohio

Stop meringue-ing me.

I'm just trying to get a pizza the action.

454 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:56:31pm

re: #2 Obdicut

Compare this to:

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

FoxPAC: Fox News' corporate parent gave Republican Governors Association $1 million

Magical Balance Fairy?

455 freetoken  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:58:10pm

re: #454 Walter L. Newton

Magical Balance Fairy?

No, Walter, that is not what Obdicut is doing. Rather, it's just the opposite. It's the asymmetry that exposes the hypocrisy.

456 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:59:20pm

re: #454 Walter L. Newton

Magical Balance Fairy?

Far from it. The comparison is completely unbalanced.

457 webevintage  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:01:21pm

On Twitter:
@chrislhayes: OK: I'm not filling in on Countdown tonight because I didn't feel comfortable doing it given the circumstances.

458 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:01:52pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And the wingnut blog gloatfest begins...NOW.

Let 'em gloat. He broke the rules, he's suspended, BFD.

Please contrast my position with that of the wingnut who would tearfully and to the end defend any conservative human being who had done, well, anything.

Then again, I have never seen Olbermann, so my only impression of him is the Ben Affleck impersonation on SNL.

459 Lidane  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:01:52pm

Late to this thread, but how soon before the wingnuts move for Maddow to be suspended without pay for her political contributions?

460 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:03:31pm

re: #459 Lidane

Late to this thread, but how soon before the wingnuts move for Maddow to be suspended without pay for her political contributions?

Man, she was pissed Tuesday night. I don't blame her.

461 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:04:01pm

re: #457 webevintage

On Twitter:
@chrislhayes: OK: I'm not filling in on Countdown tonight because I didn't feel comfortable doing it given the circumstances.


I'm sure a test pattern will do just fine in the ratings.

462 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:04:03pm

re: #460 prairiefire

Man, she was pissed Tuesday night. I don't blame her.

Pissed about what?

463 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:05:02pm

re: #453 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm just trying to get a pizza the action.

Let's not mince words.

464 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:05:10pm

foodpickle

Tweet @foodpickle a question from anywhere — your stove, the grocery aisle, a dinner party. We'll @reply or d.m. you the responses.

465 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:07:23pm

re: #464 Killgore Trout

foodpickle

Will they help me with the pie puns?

/racking my brain....

466 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:08:49pm

I'm ambivalent about Olbermann's suspension. On the one hand, it seems like this is a BS reason to suspend him; if MSNBC thought it would damage anyone's perception of Olbermann's impartiality, they're delusional. Nobody thinks Olbermann is impartial. He's probably the least impartial person on TV.

On the other hand, if it really was in his contract and he did fail to follow the proper procedure, then tough luck for Keith. It looks as if MSNBC wanted to send him a message, and found an excuse to do it.

It might also have something to do with this:

MSNBC Overhaul in The Works?

467 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:09:33pm

re: #465 wrenchwench

Will they help me with the pie puns?

/racking my brain...

Speaking of pie: Booze Pie

Taeuber discovered that you could use a simple formula to make the pie in the flavor of almost any cocktail you wanted (3 eggs to 1 cup cream to 1/2 cup liquor). Among the ones he came up with were the Fifth Avenue (apricot brandy and brown creme de cacao), the Shady Lady (coffee-flavored brandy and triple sec) and Taeuber's favorite, the Pink Squirrel (made with creme de almond and white creme de cacao). Each pie had a corresponding crust made with graham crackers, gingersnaps or chocolate cookies.

468 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:11:30pm

I think one of the things that attracts me to Rescue Me is the severe, even clinical social dysfunction exhibited by the characters.

469 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:11:37pm

re: #467 Killgore Trout

Speaking of pie: Booze Pie

I'm not much of a drinker, but I'd like to eat a Brandy Alexander.

470 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:12:10pm

re: #457 webevintage

On Twitter:
@chrislhayes: OK: I'm not filling in on Countdown tonight because I didn't feel comfortable doing it given the circumstances.

It's going to be MSBC news anchor Thomas Roberts.

471 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:13:31pm

re: #466 Charles

That site has very annoying ads. The one on top of the text won't go away.

472 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:14:11pm

re: #469 wrenchwench

I was going to make Caramelized Butternut Squash Wedges with a Sage Hazelnut Pesto but hazel nuts were $10 a pound at the grocery store today. Insane.

473 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:15:07pm

re: #472 Killgore Trout

I was going to make Caramelized Butternut Squash Wedges with a Sage Hazelnut Pesto but hazel nuts were $10 a pound at the grocery store today. Insane.

Can't you use walnuts instead?

474 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:15:15pm

re: #471 wrenchwench

That site has very annoying ads. The one on top of the text won't go away.

I didn't see that for some reason. Try turning off Javascript and reload the page.

475 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:16:54pm

re: #463 wrenchwench

Let's not mince words.

I refuse to sit idly by while you sling your rube barbs at me!

476 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:17:11pm

re: #473 eclectic infidel

Can't you use walnuts instead?

Probably. I think I have some almonds around somewhere.

477 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:19:31pm

re: #474 Charles

I didn't see that for some reason. Try turning off Javascript and reload the page.

If I highlight the text I can read it. I don't want to ask for the tutorial on turning off Javascript. Was there a date on that article?

478 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:20:50pm

re: #465 wrenchwench

Will they help me with the pie puns?

/racking my brain...


Yes, we pecan

479 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:20:55pm

re: #399 Rightwingconspirator

I remember when the GOP championed space exploration/research. (No I do NOT need a walker, or Ensure) Heh. Check this wiki out...
[Link: www.google.com...]

Reagan acted famously on acid rain. Set the stage for Co2 restrictions to just be the next chapter in pollution controls after acid rain, ozone and COx regulations.

These bastards stole my party. Pushed me to indy status, likely forever.

I remember the Sputnik panic of 1957;

The GOP attitude has changed because their base has shifted to people who think NASA gets 24% of the budget and "spends hundreds of billions of dollars looking for UFOs," as one televangelist put it (unfortunately in a printed newsletter, so no link).

480 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:22:37pm

re: #477 wrenchwench

If I highlight the text I can read it. I don't want to ask for the tutorial on turning off Javascript. Was there a date on that article?

Here's a better post at C&L: [Link: crooksandliars.com...]

The button to turn off Javascript should be in your browser settings somewhere. Safari has it in Preferences->Security.

I often turn Javascript off/on when I'm visiting some sites with those ads that walk, fly, or ooze slowly across the text you're trying to read.

481 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:23:16pm

re: #423 albusteve

and they often use pie as a weapon...despicable eh?

But also delicious!

Note, Medea Benjamin has herself been pied, by a group called Bakers Without Borders.

They should not be confused with the Biotic Baking Brigade.

I wish to God I was making these names up.

482 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:24:34pm

re: #465 wrenchwench

Will they help me with the pie puns?

/racking my brain...

I see what you did there.

483 elizajane  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:26:29pm

re: #466 Charles

I'm ambivalent about Olbermann's suspension. On the one hand, it seems like this is a BS reason to suspend him; if MSNBC thought it would damage anyone's perception of Olbermann's impartiality, they're delusional. Nobody thinks Olbermann is impartial. He's probably the least impartial person on TV.

The news that Olbermann isn't impartial is right up there today with the news that Rasmussen polls aren't impartial. My jaw just DROPPED when I discovered these two shocking facts.
Now who's going to fire Rasmussen?

484 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:26:37pm

Note that the latest update at C&L does have a statement from Comcast saying they had no part in this decision. And they point out some mistakes in the original C&L post - Anschutz is not involved in Comcast management, although he is a major shareholder and partner.

485 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:27:01pm

re: #479 Shiplord Kirel

I remember the Sputnik panic of 1957;

The GOP attitude has changed because their base has shifted to people who think NASA gets 24% of the budget and "spends hundreds of billions of dollars looking for UFOs," as one televangelist put it (unfortunately in a printed newsletter, so no link).


And they think that the word environmental needs the word "whacko" in order to complete it.

And that these EW's are tree-hugging lunatics who would have us live in lean-tos and wipe our butts with dry leaves, subsist on government handouts and do nothing but look for rare species to preserve in order to prevent logging operations, dam or road construction.

486 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:27:18pm

re: #466 Charles

So what are they going to do? Try and be FOX-lite? That's so not going to work for them, CNN couldn't even do it.

487 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:27:40pm

re: #482 Slumbering Behemoth

I see what you did there.


Make the pun higher!

488 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:28:37pm

re: #480 Charles

I really, really hope that MSNBC isn't making itself over to become FoxLite.

I can't believe how quickly journalism imploded during my lifetime.

489 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:30:00pm

What are the wingnuts gonna do if someone more sane, measured, intelligent, and also liberal takes Olbermann's time slot?

490 allegro  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:31:19pm

re: #488 Obdicut

I can't believe how quickly journalism imploded during my lifetime.

Ain't that the truth. I grew up with Walter Cronkite and Huntley & Brinkley. But then there was no money in the news back then - it was just something the networks were required to do, I think. Once the money entered the picture, there went the integrity of the news. Funny how that always seems to happen.

491 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:31:19pm

re: #472 Killgore Trout

I was going to make Caramelized Butternut Squash Wedges with a Sage Hazelnut Pesto but hazel nuts were $10 a pound at the grocery store today. Insane.

Wait--isn't Oregon the biggest producer of hazelnuts on the planet? Try another store!

492 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:31:24pm

Holy Shnikeys

Anyone find other source for this?

493 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:31:55pm

re: #489 Slumbering Behemoth

Maddow should get her own damn network. One of the few journalists worth a damn.

494 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:32:06pm

OOPS.

Y'all might get a chuckle:

LAFAYETTE — The Lafayette Parish Sheriff’s Office said that two deputies were fired today after an internal affairs investigation revealed that both had been driving a patrol unit that ended up submerged in a pond following a private party at a deputy’s home on Oct. 23.

The incident occurred after the two deputies took turns driving a patrol unit through open fields following a private party at a home in southwest Lafayette Parish, said Lt. Craig Stansbury, spokesman for the Sheriff’s Office.

At some point, one of the deputies unintentionally drove the unit into a pond located on the residence, Stansbury said.

A watch commander with the Sheriff’s Office was notified at about 2 a.m., Stansbury said.

The vehicle received water damage and had to be towed out of the pond, Stansbury said."

495 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:32:55pm

re: #494 reine.de.tout

OOPS.

Y'all might get a chuckle:

Reminiscent of the Choir Boys.

496 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:33:04pm

re: #492 Amory Blaine

Holy Shnikeys

Anyone find other source for this?

Bomb Threat Knocks Randi Rhodes Off The Air
Share

497 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:34:16pm

re: #19 Charles

See the update above -- apparently, he violated MSNBC's ethics policy.

(Fox News has no ethics policy, or if they do it's routinely ignored.)

Fox News might not have but their parent company News Corp. seems to have a "Standards of Business Conduct" which refers to some issues which could arguably be called ethical.

498 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:34:18pm

I've got it.

MSNBC should follow the Fox model of hiring attractive women and having them dress in revealing clothing.

But-- suckerpunch-- they'll actually be delivering insightful, in-depth stories. While in hottubs, giving each other massages.

selling out with integrity.

499 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:34:19pm

re: #493 Obdicut

She does bring the "smart". I'm allowed to compliment her, right?/

500 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:34:31pm

re: #491 wrenchwench

Wait--isn't Oregon the biggest producer of hazelnuts on the planet? Try another store!

Yeah, I can usually find them for 4-5 bucks a pound. I'll try another store next week. I planted 3 hazel nut trees in my yard earlier this fall so next year it shouldn't be a problem.

502 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:36:43pm

At least, probably, Olbermann did not donate to any Whigs.

: )

503 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:37:27pm

re: #501 Killgore Trout

Laser Control of Headless Fruit Flies Uncovers Secrets of the Mind
Hooray! OMG!

Headless zombies! They'll be invincible!

504 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:37:38pm

Olbermann has always been such a weiner, "The Wurst Person in the World."

505 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:38:48pm

re: #498 Obdicut

Girls in hot tubs? Who'da thunk it. Why, that man's a genius! Write him a check!

506 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:40:11pm

re: #504 solomonpanting

This is the pie pun thread, sir. The sausage pun thread is downstairs.
/

507 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:40:49pm

Science Cheerleaders Perform at the USA Science and Engineering Festival

Youtube Video

"Goooooo Science!"
508 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:41:29pm

MSNBC Overhaul in The Works?

too bad. actually, keith is my favorite, altho i was also pissed off at him when he was ranking on hillary

as for the rightward drift, all i can say is that despite the millions of propoganda victims we have in this country, a one-point-of-view press has never been shown to totally control people's thought. survivors of nazi and soviet press control became quite cynical, believed nothing they were told, and did their best to learn to read between the lines

did i mention that we have millions of propoganda victims in this country?

509 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:44:34pm

re: #507 Killgore Trout

Sorta busts the "cheerleaders are vapid" myth. Moar plz.

510 zephirus  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 4:42:17pm

re: #41 LudwigVanQuixote

The Union of Concerned Scientists has some quotes from the new freshman crop of deniers:

"With the possible exception of Tiger Woods, nothing has had a worse year than global warming. We have discovered that a good portion of the science used to justify "climate change" was a hoax perpetrated by leftist ideologues with an agenda."
—Todd Young, new congressperson from Indiana

"I absolutely do not believe that the science of man-caused climate change is proven. Not by any stretch of the imagination. I think it’s far more likely that it’s just sunspot activity or something just in the geologic eons of time where we have changes in the climate." —Ron Johnson, new senator from Wisconsin

"I think we ought to take a look at whatever the group is that measures all this, the IPCC, they don't even believe the crap." —Steve Pearce, new congressperson from New Mexico

"It's a bigger issue, we need to watch 'em. Not only because it may or may not be true, but they're making up their facts to fit their conclusions. They've already caught 'em doing this." —Rand Paul, new senator from Kentucky

"There isn't any real science to say we are altering the climate path of the earth." —Roy Blunt, new senator from Missouri

It renders one speechless.

511 Timmeh  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:22:17pm

Why is this even an issue?

He's a well-known partisan opinion-monger.

512 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:04:46pm

re: #3 Obdicut

For the record, I think Olberman was a blowhard who often did a disservice to good arguments by making them personal.

But anyone gloating over this is going to have to consider that MSNBC is acting with integrity here.

Which goes rather wildly against the actions of Fox.

I give MSNBC credit for acting honestly and correctly. But I cannot help but sing this song at Olbermann's misfortune:

Youtube Video
513 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:24:55pm

From Salon:

Interestingly, Olbermann is not the only prominent TV host to contribute to a politician this cycle. Sean Hannity of Fox gave $5,000 to Rep. Michele Bachmann's PAC over the summer, as Salon reported at the time. In response to that reveleation, Fox told a Minnesota newspaper:

Fox News programming head Bill Shine said there's no company policy against talk show personalities giving to candidates, but said Hannity would disclose the donation when Bachmann appears.

"It always good to remember that he's not a journalist, he's a conservative TV host," Shine said. "If he wants to donate to a candidate, he certainly can."


H/T: TPM

514 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:28:58pm

Also, googling for hannity journalist gives hilarious results.


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