Here’s a great segment of NPR’s World Café featuring an interview with Neil Finn of Crowded House about their fine new recording Intriguer, interspersed with three songs from the album played live in the studio: “Saturday Sun,” “Either Side Of The World,” and “Twice If You’re Lucky.”
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wee fury Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:04:50pm |
I have this music. It is so good . . . I downloaded it after your first recommendation, Charles. Thanks again.
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Renaissance_Man Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:18:09pm |
Apropos of nothing, as I look over the election results from Tuesday, I can't help but notice what a stunning failure by the Republicans it really is. I at first thought it was more of a stunning victory for the Democrats, but as I look more closely, I realise that it's more of an embarrassing failure by the Republicans than anything particularly impressive on the part of their opponents. It's a result that gives me some measure of hope for the future of public discourse in this nation.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:26:11pm |
REMEMBER, REMEMBER THE FIFTH OF NOVEMBER
A penny loaf to feed ol' Pope
A farthing cheese to choke him
A pint of beer to rinse it down
A faggot of sticks to burn him
Burn him in a tub of tar
Burn him like a blazing star
Burn his body from his head
Then we'll say ol' Pope is dead.
Hip hip hooray!
Hip hip hooray!
Always remember, never forget.
Namaste,y'all
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Velvet Elvis Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:31:19pm |
Joel McHale from The Soup was on The Today Show this morning.
He mocked Kathy Lee and Hoda to their faces. It's great.
[Link: tv.gawker.com...]
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freetoken Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:31:51pm |
re: #2 Renaissance_Man
I don't know. The GOP can ride revanchism for many years, upping the rhetoric as they go by into something very frothy (and violently so, if the anarchist elements of some of the Tea Partiers come to dominance.)
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Renaissance_Man Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:36:51pm |
re: #6 freetoken
I don't know. The GOP can ride revanchism for many years, upping the rhetoric as they go by into something very frothy (and violently so, if the anarchist elements of some of the Tea Partiers come to dominance.)
They can, but upping the rhetoric only hardens their current cultists more. It will lose them more ground than they can brainwash. This election demonstrated that - the crazy was at fever pitch and they sputtered at the polling booth. Amazing.
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Interesting Times Fri, Nov 5, 2010 9:46:17pm |
re: #7 Renaissance_Man
They can, but upping the rhetoric only hardens their current cultists more. It will lose them more ground than they can brainwash. This election demonstrated that - the crazy was at fever pitch and they sputtered at the polling booth. Amazing.
You must be referring to the Senate? Because they certainly didn't "sputter" in the House races, sad to say...
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Vambo Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:04:04pm |
I'm not a fan of Peggy Noonan, but I did enjoy that article linked on Alan Combes' blog where she calls Palin a "nincompoop". I smell a new de-motivational poster!
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bratwurst Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:12:33pm |
re: #11 freetoken
Had been meaning to ask you where the Christmas music was this year!
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freetoken Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:17:41pm |
re: #13 bratwurst
You should never give me an excuse to indulge myself... the others will hate you for it!
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elbruce Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:22:45pm |
re: #2 Renaissance_Man
Apropos of nothing, as I look over the election results from Tuesday, I can't help but notice what a stunning failure by the Republicans it really is. I at first thought it was more of a stunning victory for the Democrats, but as I look more closely, I realise that it's more of an embarrassing failure by the Republicans than anything particularly impressive on the part of their opponents. It's a result that gives me some measure of hope for the future of public discourse in this nation.
Go ahead and eat them Blue Dogs up, GOP. They was doing more harm than good anyways.
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freetoken Fri, Nov 5, 2010 11:22:54pm |
It's been quite warm in SoCal lately, e.g.
[Link: www.wrh.noaa.gov...]
Yesterday Lindbergh field set a high of 100F (unusual for being bayside). They've been measuring temps there since 1875:
SXUS76 KSGX 051855 AAA
RERSGX
RECORD EVENT REPORT...UPDATED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN DIEGO CA
1155 AM PDT FRI NOV 5 2010
...HIGHEST MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE RECORDS BROKEN OR TIED ON NOVEMBER 4...
...UPDATED TO ADD SANTA ANA...
LOCATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD PERIOD OF RECORD
ALPINE 92 90 IN 1976 SINCE 1951
LAGUNA BEACH 96 TIED 96 IN 1976 SINCE 1928
NEWPORT BEACH 92 85 IN 1976 SINCE 1929
SAN DIEGO (LINDBERGH) 100 97 IN 1976 SINCE 1875
SANTA ANA 98 97 IN 1949 SINCE 1906
VISTA 96 95 IN 1976 SINCE 1962
...HIGHEST MINIMUM TEMPERATURE RECORDS BROKEN OR TIED ON NOVEMBER 4...
LOCATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD PERIOD OF RECORD
ALPINE 64 60 IN 1997 SINCE 1951
LAGUNA BEACH 78 62 IN 1929 SINCE 1928
SAN DIEGO (LINDBERGH) 67 63 IN 2001 SINCE 1875
VISTA 62 60 IN 2001 SINCE 1962
TODAY WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT LINDBERGH FIELD RECORDED 100 DEGREES
DURING THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Nov 6, 2010 12:22:55am |
Where did everyone go?
Am I gonna havta link that wacked out Die Antwoord video?
/no, wait. that one should be held in reserve for when there's too many here.
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freetoken Sat, Nov 6, 2010 12:33:55am |
We're reading about the latest, ongoing "war":
Fed move receives global resistance
Thailand Splits With Emerging Markets Over Outlook for Fed Bond Purchases
In the meantime, here, have some music:
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Sat, Nov 6, 2010 1:26:10am |
Wow. Made the bottom 10 with votes from people I don't even know. You can all bite me. Douches. And I am sure this will get a down ding.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Nov 6, 2010 1:34:45am |
re: #20 Cannadian Club Akbar
Fuck you too. And if your tweegee still hurts, fork you some more.
/No idea what I'm talkin bout here. Peach!
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 2:08:25am |
re: #23 akaJD
Only a real class act shows up at 4am to insult somebody..You got nothing punk
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djameswrites Sat, Nov 6, 2010 2:11:05am |
Dagnabbit...the Beeb strike stuck me with old programming, boring stuff too. I Was hoping for BBC take on the ouster of Olberman, they tease it on the news...
Oh well, must settle for a glowing report on how Mugabe was so misunderstood that now ZImbabwe is a mess...
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Gus Sat, Nov 6, 2010 2:11:56am |
re: #23 akaJD
Wow. A real life anti-Jihadist chickenhawk with a website. Never seen that before.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 2:14:08am |
re: #26 Gus 802
Wow. A real life anti-Jihadist chickenhawk with a website. Never seen that before.
LOL probably the sock of a stalker peeping his head up from under a rock..
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Gus Sat, Nov 6, 2010 2:16:12am |
re: #27 HoosierHoops
LOL probably the sock of a stalker peeping his head up from under a rock..
The loser is still logged in.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 2:25:28am |
I'm watching a marathon of the show Cops...It's really funnier than heck the way people act
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Sat, Nov 6, 2010 3:00:01am |
It is effing cold here.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 3:03:52am |
re: #31 Obdicut
That show just makes me sad as hell.
I was looking for the show my friend was on so I could record it..He died 2 years ago of a heart defect.. He was a Sargent on the Speedway police.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Sat, Nov 6, 2010 3:05:37am |
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 3:09:39am |
re: #32 HoosierHoops
Aw.
Two cop friends of mine approached FOX with an idea for a show called Real COPs.
It'd show cops engaged in the real business of police work.
It'd consist of one minute of making an arrest, followed by half an hour of them sitting at desks filling out paperwork, twenty-five minutes of them waiting to testify at a trial, and five minutes of them testifying.
Somehow, Fox didn't leap at the idea.
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simoom Sat, Nov 6, 2010 3:49:06am |
Darlene McBride - Take Back America Tour (MADtv sketch from way back):
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Renaissance_Man Sat, Nov 6, 2010 4:43:22am |
re: #9 publicityStunted
You must be referring to the Senate? Because they certainly didn't "sputter" in the House races, sad to say...
Consider the circumstances. The American economy is in the worst shape it's been for half a century or more. All three branches of government were controlled by one party, which in this binary system you have leaves only one party to take the blame. Unemployment is at 10%. America remains mired in wars, and the people are now told it is patriotic to be against the war efforts. The most important powerbrokers in the US political system, the mass media, are at the very least cooperative with the memes of the right, and frequently nakedly partisan for them. The GOP has a propaganda machine that would be the envy of totalitarian regimes everywhere, and cultlike support among its base. They have had the ability to frame every single issue that has reached the national consciousness, and have done so for the past two years at least.
And yet, despite all that, despite every advantage and every historical indicator on their side, despite gains that were there for the taking in districts that they have historically owned and only recently lost, they failed to take both House and Senate, which is absolutely the norm in elections like this. They failed in races that were there for the taking, not just in the Senate, where these failures cost them control, but also in the House and in gubernatorial races. If this were football, and I know many voters consider politics to be basically like football where you cheer for your team and boo the other guys no matter what, this would be the equivalent of playing against a team that has most of its stars injured or sitting out, that's playing out the string and has nothing to gain, while having home field advantage and a frenzied partisan crowd, and conditions that suit your game and hinder the opposition's strengths, and despite all of that still only struggling home by a field goal in overtime.
It is hard to imagine the GOP having more advantages than they did in this election. Both Houses were there for the taking. Both Houses should have gone handily. Their most insane candidates snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. And it wasn't just completely insane candidates - other races that were basically locks, not just winnable, were still lost.
The media meme will of course be this 'Red Wave' nonsense. It makes great copy, it creates a great narrative, and it gives viewers what they expect. In the case of FOX, it gives the cult their expected result and fits their worldview as well. But if I were a GOP strategist I'd be deeply disappointed in this result. Frankly, it's a colossal failure.
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researchok Sat, Nov 6, 2010 4:49:16am |
re: #37 Renaissance_Man
The GOP results were a 'colossal failure'?
I guess the President has yet to be informed of that. He' still under the impression the Dems setback was a shellacking.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 5:00:59am |
Great piece in the New York Times about exports being a key to economic success. Really well-written and shows deep financial acumen.
Oh, and it's written by Barack Obama
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
I'd like to see any member of the GOP match that level of economic acuity.
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researchok Sat, Nov 6, 2010 5:02:55am |
re: #39 Obdicut
Great piece in the New York Times about exports being a key to economic success. Really well-written and shows deep financial acumen.
Oh, and it's written by Barack Obama
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
I'd like to see any member of the GOP match that level of economic acuity.
It's a good article.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 5:05:10am |
re: #40 researchok
It's also entirely non-partisan. It takes no swings, no jabs, lays no blame. That alone is a refreshing note in politics.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 5:22:23am |
Sorry if this was already posted here, but check out this article and its accompanying video: When the Water Ends
In addition to everything else, climate change is a national security problem.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 5:36:21am |
re: #34 Obdicut
Aw.
Two cop friends of mine approached FOX with an idea for a show called Real COPs.
It'd show cops engaged in the real business of police work.
It'd consist of one minute of making an arrest, followed by half an hour of them sitting at desks filling out paperwork, twenty-five minutes of them waiting to testify at a trial, and five minutes of them testifying.
Somehow, Fox didn't leap at the idea.
Back in the very early days (late 80s, early 90s) of the Fox show "COPS", they used to show pretty much what you're talking about. At some point, they dropped the "meanwhile, back at the station" segments.
COPS has filmed a lot of episodes in my city. That's not necessarily a point of pride. Also, it seems like every time a white hillbilly has a run-in with the law, he's invariably not wearing a shirt. What's the deal with white guys going topless?
Disclaimer: I'm a white guy; try not to be a hillbilly; usually wear a shirt of some kind; have only involved the police in my life on exceptionally rare occasions.
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 5:48:37am |
re: #41 Obdicut
It's also entirely non-partisan. It takes no swings, no jabs, lays no blame. That alone is a refreshing note in politics.
Maybe he doesn't take swings or place blame because he, and his party, is to blame that we don't have a FTA with S. Korea and Columbia? It's nice to see that after 3 years he's finally willing to "re-visit" this whole free trade stuff. I wonder what could have changed his mind?
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 5:51:12am |
re: #39 Obdicut
....
I'd like to see any member of the GOP match that level of economic acuity.
I didn't even touch that part of your comment because I'm assuming you misplaced the sarc tag. If not, I'd love to hear how you decided the president has a brilliant mind for economics. Maybe you have some actual evidence of his "economic acumen"?
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Taqyia2Me Sat, Nov 6, 2010 5:55:16am |
I especially like the part where partisanship is being put aside.
IMHO, we're past due for that...
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 5:59:51am |
re: #44 RogueOne
Maybe he doesn't take swings or place blame because he, and his party, is to blame that we don't have a FTA with S. Korea and Columbia? It's nice to see that after 3 years he's finally willing to "re-visit" this whole free trade stuff. I wonder what could have changed his mind?
Your fantasy world is a really strange one.
In what way has Obama been opposed to free trade in the past three years, Rogue?
Do you have any actual argument, or are you just going to be laying out your normal "Everything, absolutely everything, is the Democrats fault" line of assertion, unsupported, unreasoned, and often self-contradicted?
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:07:33am |
re: #48 Obdicut
As a presidential fan club member does your memory only go back to last Wednesday?
The free-trade fight
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
President George W. Bush was a big proponent of the bilateral agreement with South Korea, which both governments signed in 2007, but he couldn't persuade Congress to approve it. Obama seems an unlikely champion, especially since he criticized the deal during his 2008 presidential campaign.
Wiki:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The Democratic candidate Barack Obama opposed the KORUS FTA as `badly flawed' during his campaign, claiming it wouldn't do enough to increase U.S. auto sales. His criticism echoes the auto labor unions, which are fighting to defeat a trade bill that does nothing to redress the very problems they have complained of for years[14]. Obama has said he would vote against the FTA if it comes up for a vote in the U.S. Senate and would send it back to Korea if elected president
and finally....
Barack Obama on Free Trade
[Link: www.ontheissues.org...]
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:11:06am |
None of that addresses the fact that we still haven't ratified the Columbian deal either, need a bunch of links pointing out the president and his party are the ones responsible for that debacle also? It's only been 4 years now.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:14:20am |
re: #49 RogueOne
My memory actually goes back quite a long way, Rogue. I assume you're aware that issues around the FTA have continued to be negotiated by both the US and Korea. I assume you're also not naive enough to think that an agreement called the Free Trade Agreement represents an ideal of free trade; it's really weird that you call opposition to a specific free trade agreement opposition to free trade in general. Can you explain your reasoning on this?
I am very glad that you've dropped your strange pretense that you're non-partisan and not a GOP cheerleader. I'll give you points for your new-found honesty.
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:14:54am |
re: #50 RogueOne
Just for kicks:
Why Does Barack Obama Oppose the Colombian Free Trade Agreement?
[Link: www.digitaljournal.com...]
Obama Vows Opposition to Colombia Trade Deal
[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]
Obama Misleads on Colombia
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:15:45am |
re: #50 RogueOne
Why do you think we only have free trade agreements with only fourteen countries, Rogue?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:16:23am |
re: #46 RogueOne
Lordy, there are only 10 people logged into this thread. I've never seen it so desolate.
It's somewhere between 9:15am and 6:15am depending on your timezone. It's Saturday. Quit being EXACTLY LIKE ME and demanding that people get up and entertain you.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:17:34am |
Good morning Lizards. I just watched Rachel Maddow's clip on the other thread about keith olbermann. She makes some good points about FOX, but her protestations that MSNBC is somehow a paragon of objectivity compared to FOX was less than convincing. I believe olbermann will return to his spot on MSNBC and I believe he will become even more difficult to control than he has been throughout his career. I worked with him for 4 years and have seen his act up close. If history is any guide, he will take the chance he is eventually given (to return to his show) and blow it. Does anyone want to bet against me on that one?
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:18:38am |
re: #51 Obdicut
My memory actually goes back quite a long way, Rogue. I assume you're aware that issues around the FTA have continued to be re-negotiated by both the US and Korea. I assume you're also not naive enough to think that an agreement called the Free Trade Agreement represents an ideal of free trade; it's really weird that you call opposition to a specific free trade agreement opposition to free trade in general. Can you explain your reasoning on this?
I am very glad that you've dropped your strange pretense that you're non-partisan and not a GOP cheerleader. I'll give you points for your new-found honesty.
FTFY. Re-negotiation is going to continue for years while nothing gets done. That way he can continue to fool the gullible (hint, hint) without the need to piss off his union base.
2nd, I didn't say anything positive about the GOP in there did I? A little bit of projection again on your part. What I said is the statement that the president is an economic genius is goofy and completely unsupported by the facts and reality.
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:19:33am |
re: #54 negativ
It's somewhere between 9:15am and 6:15am depending on your timezone. It's Saturday. Quit being EXACTLY LIKE ME and demanding that people get up and entertain you.
I need to be amused damnit! Obdi is giving it the ol' college try at least.
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:22:11am |
re: #55 _RememberTonyC
All I could hear while watching the clip is my favorite "tu quoque, tu quoque!" bird.
For the record, I think the suspension is retarded. Is there anyone on the planet that doesn't know what side of the spectrum Olbermann supports?
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:23:59am |
re: #56 RogueOne
So I assume you're going to continue to dodge my actual questions, as usual, or pretend that I asked something I didn't. I no longer trust that you have any interest in actual debate, but are just trying to amuse yourself, bizarrely, by pretending that we're on crossfire and your role is to be hyperbolic and substanceless.
2nd, I didn't say anything positive about the GOP in there did I? A little bit of projection again on your part. What I said is the statement that the president is an economic genius is goofy and completely unsupported by the facts and reality.
Yes, I know that you lied, as usual, and claimed that I said that the president is an economic genius. I'm sorry I didn't take the time out to point out that you lied again. It's gotten to be rather the norm.
In terms of being a GOP cheerleader, I wasn't actually referring to that specific comment but your comment surrounding the election. If you're back to pretending that you're not constantly aligned with the GOP and against Democrats, that's disappointing, but unsurprising.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:25:37am |
Gentleman, you can't fight in here. This is the War Room!
re: #55 _RememberTonyC
I think I'd prefer that all media outlets stopped pretending to be objective and just declared their relative bias. There's nothing inherently wrong with bias. There is something wrong with bias disguised as objectivity. FAIR AND BALANCED!
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:26:56am |
re: #59 Obdicut
I didn't dodge anything, you just don't like the answer. You're the one doing the tap dance here and, really, not a very good one. I asked if there was anything to support your statement that the president is an economic genius and I'm still waiting for an answer. I would have kept my mouth shut about your post on the Obama statement if not for the over-the-top fan club statements you added in.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:28:11am |
re: #60 negativ
Exactly. People who pretend that objectivity can even be approached are just goddamn bizarre to me. It's a good goal, but the most important part for journalists is identifying what the challenge to their objectivity is, where it is they're coming from.
It's part of what made Murray Kempton such a powerhouse of a reporter. He was absolutely frank about his positions, his biases, and his commitments. He didn't in any way attempt to pretend that what you were getting wasn't the work of his mind, didn't try to pretend he was channeling the Spirit of Objective Journalism onto the page.
If you've never checked him out, he's awesome:
[Link: www.salon.com...]
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:29:38am |
re: #60 negativ
Gentleman, you can't fight in here. This is the War Room!
I think I'd prefer that all media outlets stopped pretending to be objective and just declared their relative bias. There's nothing inherently wrong with bias. There is something wrong with bias disguised as objectivity. FAIR AND BALANCED!
I find the bias pretty obvious even if it isn't spelled out in writing somewhere. If MSNBC thinks anyone is surprised Mr. Olbermann supports dem causes, sometimes financially, I think they're sadly mistaken. MSNBC has made a decent living the last few years turning themselves into the dem version of FoxNews. The only difference between their evening line-ups is MSNBC doesn't have the "When Animals Attack!" graphics and sound effects.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:29:44am |
re: #61 RogueOne
I didn't dodge anything, you just don't like the answer.
Here's the question you dodged:
I assume you're also not naive enough to think that an agreement called the Free Trade Agreement represents an ideal of free trade; it's really weird that you call opposition to a specific free trade agreement opposition to free trade in general. Can you explain your reasoning on this?
You also have dodged this one:
Why do you think we only have free trade agreements with only fourteen countries, Rogue?
Can you also explain why you're currently continuing to lie and claim that I stated that the president is an economic genius? Can you seriously not criticize me without resorting to lying?
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:30:42am |
re: #58 RogueOne
All I could hear while watching the clip is my favorite "tu quoque, tu quoque!" bird.
For the record, I think the suspension is retarded. Is there anyone on the planet that doesn't know what side of the spectrum Olbermann supports?
I give Rachel more credit than most because she proudly admits her political bias. But to say that MSNBC is "better" than FOX is only true if you feel moonbats are superior to wingnuts.
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:33:31am |
re: #64 Obdicut
Here's the question you dodged:
I assume you're also not naive enough to think that an agreement called the Free Trade Agreement represents an ideal of free trade; it's really weird that you call opposition to a specific free trade agreement opposition to free trade in general. Can you explain your reasoning on this?
You also have dodged this one:
Why do you think we only have free trade agreements with only fourteen countries, Rogue?
Can you also explain why you're currently continuing to lie and claim that I stated that the president is an economic genius? Can you seriously not criticize me without resorting to lying?
I gave you the evidence you needed to make the correct observations but you chose to stick to the party line. "Obama does like free-trade!" when there isn't any evidence to support the statement. He's bashed every FTA, including NAFTA, and doesn't have one vote in support of any of the FTA initiatives. He's weak on trade, he's weak on economic theory, and you can't show any evidence that I'm either mistaken or taking it out of context. He's blowing smoke here after taking a shellacking last week in part due to his economic policies. You want to believe the spin because you're not just a member of the fan club, but a client.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:34:09am |
re: #60 negativ
Gentleman, you can't fight in here. This is the War Room!
I think I'd prefer that all media outlets stopped pretending to be objective and just declared their relative bias. There's nothing inherently wrong with bias. There is something wrong with bias disguised as objectivity. FAIR AND BALANCED!
i think the viewing public has more or less figured it out. Of the three cable news channels, CNN (domestic) is closest to "objective," although CNN International is pretty far to the left of center. FOX is clearly right and MSNBC is clearly left. I have been a defender of FOX, but I have gravitated towards CNN in recent months, although I still sample all 3 networks. If I am watching Chris Matthews on MSNBC, I realize he is just as far left as Sean Hannity is far right on FOX.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:34:45am |
re: #65 _RememberTonyC
No, Tony. Fox really, really is both far more biased than MSNBC, and far more intellectually dishonest on many levels.
I mean, aside from the many ways that it can actually be demonstrated that Fox is entirely aligned with the GOP, wouldn't it be just amazingly statistically improbable for them to simply be equal?
I think you're mistaking a quality argument-- MSNBC tends to be aligned with the Democrats more than with the GOP-- with a quantity argument-- MSNBC is as aligned with the Democrats as Fox is with the GOP.
The former is true. The latter is not. Everything from NewsCorps donations to the GOP governor's fund, to the long string of GOP members who are also commentators on Fox, demonstrates this well. Interestingly enough, the only host on MSNBC who is an actual elected member of either party, is a Republican, Joe Scarborough.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:35:27am |
re: #66 RogueOne
And you dodge the questions yet again.
And you fail to explain why you lied about what I said.
Sad.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:38:17am |
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:39:14am |
re: #68 Obdicut
No, Tony. Fox really, really is both far more biased than MSNBC, and far more intellectually dishonest on many levels.
Stu Bykofsky: Olbermann fair? O'Reilly balanced? What we found
[Link: www.philly.com...]
BEFORE THE Democrats got battered in Tuesday's election, I decided to check out one of their favorite pincushions - the Fox News Channel's "fair and balanced" motto."Fair" can be subjective. "Balanced," less so. Airing contrary points of view is one element of being fair.
Last week, Monday through Friday, I recorded the flagship shows that lead Fox's and MSNBC's prime-time lineups: "The O'Reilly Factor" on right-leaning Fox, and "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" on left-leaning MSNBC. Rush Limbaugh calls it PMSNBC, while Olbermann refers to his competition as "Fix News" or "Faux News." These star-driven vehicles represent their networks.
.....
Here are the totals for the week:"The O'Reilly Factor" welcomed 20 guests from the right, 11 from the left and seven who were neutral. Left and neutral voices combined almost equaled those from the right.
"Countdown with Keith Olbermann" had 20 guests from the left, two neutral and not a single voice from the right. Zero voices of dissent.
So, if you never want to hear anyone challenge liberal views, lock in on Olbermann. While progressives disdain Fox's claim of being "fair and balanced," "The O'Reilly Factor" does present opposing views. O'Reilly will cut them off in midsentence, true, but he even does that to people who agree with him. (Shock therapy might help.) Olbermann seems unable to even listen to anything other than progressive orthodoxy.
Seems to be a lot of that going around...
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:40:31am |
re: #63 RogueOne
I find the bias pretty obvious even if it isn't spelled out in writing somewhere. If MSNBC thinks anyone is surprised Mr. Olbermann supports dem causes, sometimes financially, I think they're sadly mistaken. MSNBC has made a decent living the last few years turning themselves into the dem version of FoxNews. The only difference between their evening line-ups is MSNBC doesn't have the "When Animals Attack!" graphics and sound effects.
When comcast completes its takeover of 51% of NBC Universal, you will likely see some big changes at MSNBC. Steve Burke, CEO of comcast is a product of the former Capital Cities broadcasting company, which owned ABC before selling it to Disney about 15 years ago. Burke will see that while MSNBC is profitable, its ratings suck and it will become MORE profitable if it sheds its label of the far left news network. I think there will be a place for someone like Rachel Maddow, who is talented and bright. But Burke is a businessman who understands that the size of the audience is how you keep score in the world of TV. And if olbermann's ratings are trending down, he must either turn it around or he'll be looking for a new gig.
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:41:02am |
re: #67 _RememberTonyC
I refuse to watch any of it, I don't really like people blowing smoke up my ass. I watched CNN through most of the election evening, MSNBC was unwatchable and I knew what spin FOX was going to lay down so there wasn't much of a point there either.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:42:39am |
re: #70 sattv4u2
Well stated
and ,,, where ya been !?!?
been VERY busy with the start of NBA season, performance reviews, and the daily drama of my youngest son applying to colleges. I have lurked here and there, but my posts are down to a handful each week. Hope all is well with you!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:43:12am |
re: #73 RogueOne
I don't really like people blowing smoke up my ass
I can give you the number of a high end call girl I met in London once who has a great technique for doing that ,,
ummm,,,errr,, did I just type that out loud !?!?!?!
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:43:57am |
re: #72 _RememberTonyC
When comcast completes its takeover of 51% of NBC Universal, you will likely see some big changes at MSNBC. Steve Burke, CEO of comcast is a product of the former Capital Cities broadcasting company, which owned ABC before selling it to Disney about 15 years ago. Burke will see that while MSNBC is profitable, its ratings suck and it will become MORE profitable if it sheds its label of the far left news network. I think there will be a place for someone like Rachel Maddow, who is talented and bright. But Burke is a businessman who understands that the size of the audience is how you keep score in the world of TV. And if olbermann's ratings are trending down, he must either turn it around or he'll be looking for a new gig.
I disagree. They've managed to move up to 2nd in the ratings behind fox and they routinely kick CNN's numbers ass. They've found their niche, left wing watchers. Fox has the right sewn up, there isn't any way for them to pull viewers away from them in the evenings. They've done a good job in the mornings with Morning Joe. Did you see the smackdown yesterday between Glenn Greenwald and O'Donnell? It was great tv.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:44:32am |
re: #74 _RememberTonyC
been VERY busy with the start of NBA season, performance reviews, and the daily drama of my youngest son applying to colleges. I have lurked here and there, but my posts are down to a handful each week. Hope all is well with you!
Same here. Tis the season when all 4 Major Pro sports leagues are up and running (concluding with the end on the World Series)
PLUS ,, we have a contract to send up to 5 MLS games a night to Europe
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:44:41am |
re: #68 Obdicut
Obdi ... your argument makes perfect sense .... to a person with left of center tendencies. For those who differ with you politically, the argument is far less convincing. But you always state your points intelligently, thus I will always try to see your side.
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:44:54am |
re: #76 RogueOne
Greenwalds version of events:
[Link: www.salon.com...]
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:47:38am |
re: #76 RogueOne
I disagree. They've managed to move up to 2nd in the ratings behind fox and they routinely kick CNN's numbers ass. They've found their niche, left wing watchers. Fox has the right sewn up, there isn't any way for them to pull viewers away from them in the evenings. They've done a good job in the mornings with Morning Joe. Did you see the smackdown yesterday between Glenn Greenwald and O'Donnell? It was great tv.
I did not see it ... I'm decompressing from cable news after Tuesday night :)
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sattv4u2 Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:48:44am |
re: #80 _RememberTonyC
New Red Sox 1st baseman!!?!?
Let Beltre walk ,, ,, Kevin move back to 3rd!!
The San Diego Padres have acknowledged what was inevitable. They cannot afford to keep Adrian Gonzalez
[Link: www.boston.com...]
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:49:13am |
re: #77 sattv4u2
Same here. Tis the season when all 4 Major Pro sports leagues are up and running (concluding with the end on the World Series)
PLUS ,, we have a contract to send up to 5 MLS games a night to Europe
Tonight I have a 1:00am show .... ugh. But the Celtics look great so far and Kevin Garnett looks 3 years younger than he did last year. MLS soccer? Good for you and the company, but it is "minor league" soccer at best.
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darthstar Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:50:25am |
Good morning starshiny lizards...the earth says, "hello"
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:50:50am |
re: #81 sattv4u2
New Red Sox 1st baseman!!?!?
Let Beltre walk ,, ,, Kevin move back to 3rd!!
The San Diego Padres have acknowledged what was inevitable. They cannot afford to keep Adrian Gonzalez
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Beltre was great this year, he was the MVP of the team. Gonzalez is a good player, but he is a lefty hitter. I hope he learns how to use the wall in LF if he comes to Boston. I just hope the yankees don't get Cliff Lee.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:50:55am |
re: #82 _RememberTonyC
Tonight I have a 1:00am show ... ugh. But the Celtics look great so far and Kevin Garnett looks 3 years younger than he did last year. MLS soccer? Good for you and the company, but it is "minor league" soccer at best.
Celts blowing big leads is bothersome, but yes, Garnett looks good
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:52:14am |
re: #63 RogueOne
I find the bias pretty obvious even if it isn't spelled out in writing somewhere. If MSNBC thinks anyone is surprised Mr. Olbermann supports dem causes, sometimes financially, I think they're sadly mistaken. MSNBC has made a decent living the last few years turning themselves into the dem version of FoxNews. The only difference between their evening line-ups is MSNBC doesn't have the "When Animals Attack!" graphics and sound effects.
The only thing I'd argue with you about is that MSNBC doesn't have (as far as I know; happy to be shown wrong) a history of taking demonstrably false material and running around with it like a retard on pudding day.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:54:36am |
re: #76 RogueOne
I disagree. They've managed to move up to 2nd in the ratings behind fox and they routinely kick CNN's numbers ass. They've found their niche, left wing watchers. Fox has the right sewn up, there isn't any way for them to pull viewers away from them in the evenings. They've done a good job in the mornings with Morning Joe. Did you see the smackdown yesterday between Glenn Greenwald and O'Donnell? It was great tv.
we'll see. One thing I learned when I worked for Cap Cities is that they are some of the fairest corporate types in the TV business. If Burke sees programming on MSNBC that is TOO far out of the mainstream (on either side), he is going to have something to say about it.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:55:23am |
re: #78 _RememberTonyC
Obdi ... your argument makes perfect sense ... to a person with left of center tendencies. For those who differ with you politically, the argument is far less convincing.
But why is it less convincing? I'm perfectly willing to listen, but can you give an actual explanation of why?
MSNBC has a three hour long morning shoe hosted by an elected GOP member. It's really, really odd to me that it's called a far-left station with such regularity.
But far beyond that bit of moderation on the part of MSNBC, the main issue for me is that Fox is so extremely and dramatically biased, not just in its hosts and commentators, but in its direct news reportage. Charles has shown how often Fox repeats biased stories uncritically, and how their reportage on issues like, say, climate change, are uniformly from the position also held by the GOP-- with the added problem that this position is the factually inaccurate one.
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:57:27am |
Keith Olbermann - A Memorial Tribute
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:58:52am |
re: #85 sattv4u2
Celts blowing big leads is bothersome, but yes, Garnett looks good
Doc is managing minutes during the regular season. He needs guys like Big Baby, Marquis Daniels, and Nate Robinson to play meaningful minutes in case he has injury issues later in the season. If Doc kept his foot on the gas last night, Boston would have won more easily. I think it will be Miami vs Boston in the eastern finals unless they somehow end up playing each other before the conference finals. Our ratings are excellent so far, and I expect a huge season for the NBA.
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 6:59:16am |
re: #86 negativ
The only thing I'd argue with you about is that MSNBC doesn't have (as far as I know; happy to be shown wrong) a history of taking demonstrably false material and running around with it like a retard on pudding day.
I don't necessarily agree (Off the top of my head, maddow a couple weeks ago said a tx congressman got a warning about the okc bombing but kept his mouth shut) but that's a great line!
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:02:49am |
re: #88 Obdicut
But why is it less convincing? I'm perfectly willing to listen, but can you give an actual explanation of why?
MSNBC has a three hour long morning shoe hosted by an elected GOP member. It's really, really odd to me that it's called a far-left station with such regularity.
But far beyond that bit of moderation on the part of MSNBC, the main issue for me is that Fox is so extremely and dramatically biased, not just in its hosts and commentators, but in its direct news reportage. Charles has shown how often Fox repeats biased stories uncritically, and how their reportage on issues like, say, climate change, are uniformly from the position also held by the GOP-- with the added problem that this position is the factually inaccurate one.
It's less convincing because you see what you want to see. It's kind of like looking at art. I may think something is beautiful because of the technique of the painter. You may think it's ugly because you hate the colors. I would never sit here and tell you that FOX is a paragon of impartiality because it has PLENTY of imperfections. But I also see many warts on MSNBC that you might see as "beauty marks." Neither of us is 100% correct or 100% wrong.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:05:39am |
re: #90 _RememberTonyC
I got really annoyed watching their game with the Cavaliers, not because it was a bad game, but because the announcers were so entirely pro-Cavaliers, and just sucked at being announcers in general. Saying stupid shit like "They need to up their physical game" and "Making shots is great, but you need them to go in."
Even though the Celtics lost, that was a fun game. I really like Rondo; he's very fun to watch. And Big Baby had some stellar moments; he's got some hustle to him.
On the Cavs side, I thought Anderson Varejao looked really, really good, far better than I'd ever seen him play before.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:08:49am |
re: #90 _RememberTonyC
Tony! What up?
/How the heck did I miss a basketball Thread? shoot me now
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:08:57am |
re: #93 Obdicut
I got really annoyed watching their game with the Cavaliers, not because it was a bad game, but because the announcers were so entirely pro-Cavaliers, and just sucked at being announcers in general. Saying stupid shit like "They need to up their physical game" and "Making shots is great, but you need them to go in."
Even though the Celtics lost, that was a fun game. I really like Rondo; he's very fun to watch. And Big Baby had some stellar moments; he's got some hustle to him.
On the Cavs side, I thought Anderson Varejao looked really, really good, far better than I'd ever seen him play before.
Obdi .... you're an NBA fan .... bless you. The cavs announcers are horrible. Austin Carr, who is the analyst is just brutal. I have a warm spot for the cavs this year because their coach is a friend of mine and I really feel for the fans of Cleveland who are in a permanent state of misery.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:09:37am |
re: #94 HoosierHoops
Tony! What up?
/How the heck did I miss a basketball Thread? shoot me now
Whassup Dawg?! How ya been?
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Ojoe Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:12:16am |
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:12:28am |
i was about to bundle up and take a walk on this 43 degree Connecticut morning, but if we're gonna talk hoops ... I might just exercise my fingers on this keyboard!
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:13:31am |
re: #96 _RememberTonyC
Whassup Dawg?! How ya been?
Living the life Tony..Moved to a college town.. Norman..It's great but not one of these 40000 kids could drive a car if their life depended on it.. Pathetic Great to see ya
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:13:47am |
re: #92 _RememberTonyC
I'm sorry, Tony, but to me all you're saying is that everything is absolutely subjective. I don't find that a useful way to look at things at all.
For example, Fox used to be far less biased, and far less factually inaccurate, than it is now. It has changed greatly over the past few years. One of the best areas to see this is in climate change, where they are now openly and rather blatantly spreading disinformation on the topic.
So, I can say that Fox is more biased now than it has been in the past; it seems to me bewildering to leap to the automatic conclusion that MSNBC, or any other news source, has likewise changed in exactly the same measure over the same time.
This is what I mean by the quality vs. quantity distinction; MSNBC is definitely biased towards the Democratic side. But they have a degree of balance, as shown with the Morning Joe program alone, that Fox lacks. In addition, while Olberman is a fatuous Jerk, there is no one on MSNBC that has the idiotic, paranoid delusions of Beck, no one that promotes fringe societies like the Birch society, and the station as a whole doesn't present a completely false picture of a scientific issue-- climate change-- out of political affiliation.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:16:41am |
re: #98 _RememberTonyC
i was about to bundle up and take a walk on this 43 degree Connecticut morning, but if we're gonna talk hoops ... I might just exercise my fingers on this keyboard!
Today's game is OU vs. Texas A&M Football is big here..I've always been a big OSU hoops fan..But I don't tell anybody here
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:24:04am |
re: #100 Obdicut
I'm sorry, Tony, but to me all you're saying is that everything is absolutely subjective. I don't find that a useful way to look at things at all.
For example, Fox used to be far less biased, and far less factually inaccurate, than it is now. It has changed greatly over the past few years. One of the best areas to see this is in climate change, where they are now openly and rather blatantly spreading disinformation on the topic.
So, I can say that Fox is more biased now than it has been in the past; it seems to me bewildering to leap to the automatic conclusion that MSNBC, or any other news source, has likewise changed in exactly the same measure over the same time.
This is what I mean by the quality vs. quantity distinction; MSNBC is definitely biased towards the Democratic side. But they have a degree of balance, as shown with the Morning Joe program alone, that Fox lacks. In addition, while Olberman is a fatuous Jerk, there is no one on MSNBC that has the idiotic, paranoid delusions of Beck, no one that promotes fringe societies like the Birch society, and the station as a whole doesn't present a completely false picture of a scientific issue-- climate change-- out of political affiliation.
This is why I respect you, when you argue you have your evidence handy. But nobody watches all that crap on TV constantly or they'd have no life. So while everything you say is based on solid evidence, in the real world most people don't even watch 95% of it. I'm a TV producer and we do lots of research about our product. If you look at the viewing habits of Americans, our attention span is incredibly short. There are very succesful shows out there where the average viewer of that show watches around 11 minutes out of each hour. So while beck, hannity, and their competitors blather on and on, the fact is that a lot FEWER people are buying it than you think. And with the advent of the internet, lots of migration is taking place to online sources of news. And last time I checked, the left has excellent representation via kos, huffpo, and others including lgf.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:25:46am |
re: #101 HoosierHoops
Today's game is OU vs. Texas A&M Football is big here..I've always been a big OSU hoops fan..But I don't tell anybody here
boomerhoosier you are not! I was only in Norman once back in 1985 for some Big Eight hoops. I saw Danny Manning vs Wayman Tisdale at Lloyd Noble Center .... good times.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:27:00am |
re: #102 _RememberTonyC
I do often feel that the communication power of the TV is overrated compared to other distribution methods, definitely. However, sadly, the current state of ignorance on the part of the American public on climate change-- they're actually more uninformed and misinformed on the subject now versus five years ago-- shows that the various media that that lie has been pushed from, including Fox and other NewsCorp holdings, is definitely having an effect on the general public.
And now I need to go help an old lady move her guitar collection. That's something you don't get to say that often.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:28:11am |
re: #104 Obdicut
I do often feel that the communication power of the TV is overrated compared to other distribution methods, definitely. However, sadly, the current state of ignorance on the part of the American public on climate change-- they're actually more uninformed and misinformed on the subject now versus five years ago-- shows that the various media that that lie has been pushed from, including Fox and other NewsCorp holdings, is definitely having an effect on the general public.
And now I need to go help an old lady move her guitar collection. That's something you don't get to say that often.
all that and an eagle scout too :)
later Obdi
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lostlakehiker Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:38:03am |
re: #37 Renaissance_Man
Consider the circumstances. The American economy is in the worst shape it's been for half a century or more. All three branches of government were controlled by one party, which in this binary system you have leaves only one party to take the blame. Unemployment is at 10%.
[etc]
Their most insane candidates snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. And it wasn't just completely insane candidates - other races that were basically locks, not just winnable, were still lost.
The media meme will of course be this 'Red Wave' nonsense. It makes great copy, it creates a great narrative, and it gives viewers what they expect. In the case of FOX, it gives the cult their expected result and fits their worldview as well. But if I were a GOP strategist I'd be deeply disappointed in this result. Frankly, it's a colossal failure.
The GOP core philosophy of limited government and prudence is at odds with the ill-advised wish list of one of its major voting blocs, the social conservatives who want the government to get out of education because science doesn't suit their religious beliefs. This also hinders GOP institutional comprehension of the mismatch between their "prudence" principle, and their failure to accept the necessity to take prudent measures to limit AGW.
The demographics of the nation are shifting, with unstoppable momentum, to a mix in which the traditional GOP mainstay looms ever smaller. It's not just immigration. Biological "borders" erode as a result of intermarriage and class mobility. But class divisions remain, and the class structure of America is seeing the middle class split into two cadres---a lower-upper class that makes very good money, courtesy of well honed talent and maybe some privilege, and a struggling middle that must retrench and downscale its hopes and ambitions.
Given these circumstances, it's a wonder the GOP ever scores any sort of electoral success. Of course the GOP fails. But why did the Dems open the door so wide? Two years of enacting badly thought through health care reform, almost to the exclusion of effective steps to get the economy back on its feet, brought us to this point.
Wouldn't it be nice if the new permanent ruling party managed things well enough that the GOP had to come to grips with reality, especially with the realities of science, before it could once again make a difference on the national political scene?
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:39:32am |
ok ... it's up to a balmy 45 degrees in "the 860." gonna take that walk .... BBL
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:43:52am |
re: #89 RogueOne
Best TV host remix ever. Surprisingly catchy. I find it running through my head often while at work.
NOTE: Audio is extraordinarily NSFW
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:46:09am |
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:49:26am |
re: #108 negativ
Best TV host remix ever. Surprisingly catchy. I find it running through my head often while at work.
NOTE: Audio is extraordinarily NSFW
[Video]
that was AWESOME!
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 7:54:54am |
re: #109 RogueOne
I love that clip SO MUCH. Who hasn't experienced at least one workday that was completely sabotaged by a seemingly endless string of incompetence on the part of one's co-workers? It's all the more frustrating when they're inspiringly intelligent and reliable the other 364 days of the year, but somehow they all manage to pick the same day to make everything terrible.
Note: I have been the randomly incompetent co-worker. If one thinks they've never been the randomly incompetent co-worker, chances are one is the constantly incompetent co-worker.
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bratwurst Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:00:50am |
No video on this one, but perhaps the greatest freakout in sports history...Lee Elia as manager of the Chicago Cubs:
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:11:11am |
re: #112 bratwurst
No video on this one, but perhaps the greatest freakout in sports history...Lee Elia as manager of the Chicago Cubs:
Jim Mora
Post-election press conference with Jim Mora, head coach of the Democrats
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:12:32am |
re: #112 bratwurst
I don't really know anything about baseball (except that it's even more boring and slow-paced than televised golf), so I probably don't really understand all the particulars there, but did that guy just spend 3+ minutes viciously insulting the people who come and pay ridiculous amounts of money to sit and watch millionaires play a game? Or is there some backhistory I'm not aware of?
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Jadespring Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:14:42am |
re: #106 lostlakehiker
The demographics of the nation are shifting, with unstoppable momentum, to a mix in which the traditional GOP mainstay looms ever smaller. It's not just immigration. Biological "borders" erode as a result of intermarriage and class mobility. But class divisions remain, and the class structure of America is seeing the middle class split into two cadres---a lower-upper class that makes very good money, courtesy of well honed talent and maybe some privilege, and a struggling middle that must retrench and downscale its hopes and ambitions.
This sort of separation can also be a consequence of inadequate education which has some irony considering the position of the this weird politically driven anti-education, anti-intellectualism and anti-science meme that appears to be at play right now in some quarters. It's like shooting yourself in the foot without realizing you're holding the gun in the first place.
I've read many here comment about how the dysfunctional relationship with 'science' that the is coming out of the religious right wing quarters and supported at least with rhetoric by many of the current crop of right wing pols could lead to fall in the US's ability function relative to the rest of the world in terms of science and technological power of innovation. This is possible but I don't see it happening in the shorter term.
What is more likely to happen if this trend moves chugs along is a further separation (I would argue that it is already happening at a minor level) between classes of people and if particular states manage to gain the type of control that people are ranting about wanting between whole peoples growing up in those areas.
For every kid that isn't taught skills and knowledge that are usuable and usable in a world where higher paid jobs and higher paid depend on such knowledge (mobility) that leaves more room for kids who do get it, as well as less competition overall. They will be the ones with the ability to more easily pursue higher forms of education and get the jobs or create their own higher paying jobs.
Regardless of the problems with public education one of it's main functions and consequences is it equalizes the foundations and the accessibility to knowledge among a wide variety and class of people. If public education as a whole or in parts, say certain states and counties gets decimated, especially related to 'science' education as a whole is not going to disappear. Some kids will get what they need whether it's by being or purposely (as in parents move) in locales that do do it well or by having families that can pay for it in the private realm. Of course this already happens to a certain extent but if these people get their way it would likely happen even more.
Long-term it's quite easy to imagine a further polarization of 'elites, well educated' vs those with a more substandard knowledge base, possibly more state vs state conflict and more 'class' conflict.
It's the irony of what is really a self full-filling prophecy. The 'solutions' being proposed lead to more of what the people proposing the solutions appear to be complaining about in the first place.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:19:00am |
re: #89 RogueOne
Keith Olbermann - A Memorial Tribute
[Video]
It would seem one could make a far most tasteful tribute if they wished.
Not a fan?
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:21:40am |
re: #116 jamesfirecat
It would seem one could make a far most tasteful tribute if they wished.
Not a fan?
C'mon that was funny and mild. If they wanted to be rude they could have tossed in all sorts of Keiths past statements, starting with his assessment of scott brown.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:22:15am |
re: #115 Jadespring
I've read many here comment about how the dysfunctional relationship with 'science' that the is coming out of the religious right wing quarters and supported at least with rhetoric by many of the current crop of right wing pols could lead to fall in the US's ability function relative to the rest of the world in terms of science and technological power of innovation. This is possible but I don't see it happening in the shorter term.
It ought to be a national embarrassment that there aren't 10 Large Hadron Colliders in the US. It's disgraceful that our chief exports are warfare and Lady Gaga.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:22:50am |
re: #37 Renaissance_Man
Consider the circumstances. The American economy is in the worst shape it's been for half a century or more. All three branches of government were controlled by one party, which in this binary system you have leaves only one party to take the blame. Unemployment is at 10%. America remains mired in wars, and the people are now told it is patriotic to be against the war efforts. The most important powerbrokers in the US political system, the mass media, are at the very least cooperative with the memes of the right, and frequently nakedly partisan for them. The GOP has a propaganda machine that would be the envy of totalitarian regimes everywhere, and cultlike support among its base. They have had the ability to frame every single issue that has reached the national consciousness, and have done so for the past two years at least.
And yet, despite all that, despite every advantage and every historical indicator on their side, despite gains that were there for the taking in districts that they have historically owned and only recently lost, they failed to take both House and Senate, which is absolutely the norm in elections like this. They failed in races that were there for the taking, not just in the Senate, where these failures cost them control, but also in the House and in gubernatorial races. If this were football, and I know many voters consider politics to be basically like football where you cheer for your team and boo the other guys no matter what, this would be the equivalent of playing against a team that has most of its stars injured or sitting out, that's playing out the string and has nothing to gain, while having home field advantage and a frenzied partisan crowd, and conditions that suit your game and hinder the opposition's strengths, and despite all of that still only struggling home by a field goal in overtime.
It is hard to imagine the GOP having more advantages than they did in this election. Both Houses were there for the taking. Both Houses should have gone handily. Their most insane candidates snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. And it wasn't just completely insane candidates - other races that were basically locks, not just winnable, were still lost.
The media meme will of course be this 'Red Wave' nonsense. It makes great copy, it creates a great narrative, and it gives viewers what they expect. In the case of FOX, it gives the cult their expected result and fits their worldview as well. But if I were a GOP strategist I'd be deeply disappointed in this result. Frankly, it's a colossal failure.
My problem is that pathetically few Americans seem to get how the Senate works.
60 votes including a guy who ran against the current president, is by no means "total control" of the Senate, especially for the democrats who must be the gigantic tent party if the Republicans are the "big tent party" by comparison....
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jamesfirecat Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:24:11am |
re: #117 RogueOne
C'mon that was funny and mild. If they wanted to be rude they could have tossed in all sorts of Keiths past statements, starting with his assessment of scott brown.
Ehh I don't find it all that funny.
Doubly so considering the reasons he got suspended for.
If it had been some kind of on air freakout then I'd be more sympathetic to mocking him....
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:24:37am |
re: #119 jamesfirecat
My problem is that pathetically few Americans seem to get how the Senate works.
60 votes including a guy who ran against the current president, is by no means "total control" of the Senate, especially for the democrats who must be the gigantic tent party if the Republicans are the "big tent party" by comparison...
What they really needed was 70 votes then they could have really gotten stuff done.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:26:02am |
re: #121 RogueOne
What they really needed was 70 votes then they could have really gotten stuff done.
Its sad but its true...
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:26:06am |
re: #120 jamesfirecat
Ehh I don't find it all that funny.
Doubly so considering the reasons he got suspended for.
If it had been some kind of on air freakout then I'd be more sympathetic to mocking him...
Then you probably won't like this one either:
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bratwurst Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:26:31am |
re: #114 negativ
I don't really know anything about baseball (except that it's even more boring and slow-paced than televised golf), so I probably don't really understand all the particulars there, but did that guy just spend 3+ minutes viciously insulting the people who come and pay ridiculous amounts of money to sit and watch millionaires play a game? Or is there some backhistory I'm not aware of?
Well this was the 1983 Chicago Cubs, so there were probably a very small number of players making over a million dollars...but otherwise you are spot on.
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:28:57am |
re: #122 jamesfirecat
Its sad but its true...
LOL! You really need to stop reading the fan club newsletter. It's warping your mind./
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:31:55am |
I'm celebrating the end of a very good and productive week. My spouse and I are doing some shopping, dinner and a movie. Any decent movie ideas out there?
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:35:11am |
re: #126 RogueOne
I'm celebrating the end of a very good and productive week. My spouse and I are doing some shopping, dinner and a movie. Any decent movie ideas out there?
The Blind Side..
Hiya Hoosier!
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:36:13am |
I've said before (probably ad nauseum) that I dislike Olberman specifically because he seems to think he's Edward R. Murrow. However, he frustrates me for exactly the same reason that the contemptibly dishonest Michael Moore frustrates me: Sooner or later, he'll make a couple of really solid, strong arguments that I completely agree with, and that will make me hate him even more for forcing me to agree with him.
The same thing happened during the 2008 election. Someone asked for Matt Damon's opinion about Sarah Palin, and he wisely pointed out that Vladimir Putin plays no-shit hardball, and her folksy soccer mom bullshit is no match for that. Sarah Palin made me agree with Matt Fucking Damon. That's pretty much inexcusable.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:37:59am |
re: #125 RogueOne
LOL! You really need to stop reading the fan club newsletter. It's warping your mind./
What?
Do you know how many things Nancy Pelosi got passed in the house that died in the Senate?
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Jadespring Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:38:00am |
re: #128 negativ
Updinged for making me chuckle. I like laughing in the morning. :)
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jamesfirecat Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:38:29am |
re: #126 RogueOne
I'm celebrating the end of a very good and productive week. My spouse and I are doing some shopping, dinner and a movie. Any decent movie ideas out there?
Megamind looks good if you like animated comedies....
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:39:05am |
re: #129 jamesfirecat
What?
Do you know how many things Nancy Pelosi got passed in the house that died in the Senate?
Is "not enough of them" a good enough answer?
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:40:06am |
re: #131 jamesfirecat
Megamind looks good if you like animated comedies...
That we do. I was trying to decide between Red, Megamind, or Due Date.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:41:28am |
re: #132 RogueOne
Is "not enough of them" a good enough answer?
Hey if we had more votes in the Senate we would have gotten more stuff passed...
Now would it have been good for the country? That's an important issue, but it's not the one I'm debating.
I'm just saying that if we'd had more than 60 votes in the Senate America would have seen a more liberal agenda unfurl....
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:42:06am |
re: #127 HoosierHoops
The Blind Side..
Hiya Hoosier!
Howdy Hoops. You're going to miss Big Ten basketball this season. Can you believe they have Butler barely ranked in the top 20 in the pre-season polls? They're a top 10 team easy.
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bratwurst Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:42:14am |
re: #133 RogueOne
That we do. I was trying to decide between Red, Megamind, or Due Date.
Due Date got AWFUL reviews...I find that Zach Galafianakis to be much more annoying than funny personally.
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b_Snark Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:44:19am |
re: #39 Obdicut
Great piece in the New York Times about exports being a key to economic success. Really well-written and shows deep financial acumen.
Oh, and it's written by Barack Obama
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
I'd like to see any member of the GOP match that level of economic acuity.
As Canadian exports found out not too long ago, the fastest way to increase exports is to have a dollar lower than the standard, which is the US dollar. Unless the US devalues their dollar, increasing exports will be difficult up against other countries with strong technology sectors but with currency more affordable to importers than the US buck.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:45:09am |
re: #126 RogueOne
I'm celebrating the end of a very good and productive week. My spouse and I are doing some shopping, dinner and a movie. Any decent movie ideas out there?
Movies currently playing in theaters, no idea. I've heard from sources I trust that 127 Hours is really good. Movies on DVD that can be enjoyed at home on the comfy couch with a bottle or two of wine, I've got hundreds of suggestions.
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:47:27am |
re: #136 bratwurst
I've liked the few movies I've seen with him and Downey is always good. I love the Movies app from rotten tomatoes. It gives the audience poll for Due Date 72%. Red and Megamind @ 77%. We'll probably end up just winging it. Anyone see Paranormal Activity 2 yet? I didn't think the first one was all that good but I've heard this one is better.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:48:46am |
re: #128 negativ
I was so pissed to be standing up for him. Oh well, right and wrong transcend names and places.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:49:46am |
re: #135 RogueOne
Howdy Hoops. You're going to miss Big Ten basketball this season. Can you believe they have Butler barely ranked in the top 20 in the pre-season polls? They're a top 10 team easy.
I'll be back in May for the Indy 500.. Staying at Paulie's house...
Have fun tonight!
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:51:42am |
re: #138 negativ
Movies currently playing in theaters, no idea. I've heard from sources I trust that 127 Hours is really good. Movies on DVD that can be enjoyed at home on the comfy couch with a bottle or two of wine, I've got hundreds of suggestions.
I have a ton of DVD's. We do the wine/dvd/take-out (or pizza) thing at least once a week. Last night it was "The Ghost and Mr. Chicken". I love Don Knotts and it was only the 2nd Knotts movie my wife has seen. The other is one of my favs "The Private Eyes" with Tim Conway.
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:58:32am |
Billions are going to DIE!
[Link: www.purdue.edu...]
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Jadespring Sat, Nov 6, 2010 8:59:30am |
re: #143 RogueOne
Billions are going to DIE!
[Link: www.purdue.edu...]
Well as long as I'm not part of that statistic....
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:03:21am |
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:04:30am |
re: #145 negativ
Oh, HELL yes. Don Knotts was a god among men.
My wife got me a couple Don Knotts DVD packs for xmas last year. She loves me.
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Jadespring Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:06:10am |
Don Knotts didn't really do anything for me. Not my style I guess.
Not that I think less of people who he does do things for. :)
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:07:18am |
re: #147 Jadespring
Don Knotts didn't really do anything for me. Not my style I guess.
Not that I think less of people who he does do things for. :)
BURN THE BLASPHEMER!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:08:30am |
re: #148 negativ
BURN THE BLASPHEMER!
Don Knotts is like watching a mental breakdown that is about to happen... and nothing happens... again... and nothing happens... again...
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:13:27am |
This is my first weekend off since I moved here.. I've put up with kids at this apt. building playing their stereo's all night on the weekends..
I like living among 40000 college students till I find a house...
Tonight is my revenge.. I'll be unpacking my rig and Strat guitar..
Just when the parties start up with Rap music droning on for hours.. I'll turn up my Guitar and mega powered black widow speakers and teach them what real rock music sounds like..I can move air and shake walls and windows like they have never heard..go ahead turn that stereo up to 10.. It really won't matter..I have the power..They just don't know it yet..hehehe
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:16:53am |
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prairiefire Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:17:07am |
re: #151 HoosierHoops
Have some beer ready in case they knock on your door!
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:17:17am |
re: #151 HoosierHoops
Oh yeah get it ON!
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:19:25am |
re: #151 HoosierHoops
This is my first weekend off since I moved here.. I've put up with kids at this apt. building playing their stereo's all night on the weekends..
I like living among 40000 college students till I find a house...
Tonight is my revenge.. I'll be unpacking my rig and Strat guitar..
Just when the parties start up with Rap music droning on for hours.. I'll turn up my Guitar and mega powered black widow speakers and teach them what real rock music sounds like..I can move air and shake walls and windows like they have never heard..go ahead turn that stereo up to 10.. It really won't matter..I have the power..They just don't know it yet..hehehe
You might get this
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prairiefire Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:19:35am |
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Jadespring Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:20:01am |
re: #152 Killgore Trout
Obama India Trip: President Announces $10 Billion In Trade Deals Supporting 50,000 U.S. Jobs
Outrageous!
So even if the trip really does cost 200 million a day the pay off seems quite worth it. :)
That's a pretty high percentage made on investment.
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:20:11am |
re: #152 Killgore Trout
Obama India Trip: President Announces $10 Billion In Trade Deals Supporting 50,000 U.S. Jobs
Outrageous!
Is that a "thank god for the military industrial complex!" I hear?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:20:38am |
re: #151 HoosierHoops
I have a Marshall JCM 800 4x12 slant cab and a Carvin X100-B head that you can have on the cheap. You pay for shipping. Both are late '80s vintage.
The head needs some TLC. It needs a completely new set of tubes, the pots need to be cleaned, as well as the EQ sliders. It probably should be re-biased and just gone over in general. As it currently is, it blows fuses, so clearly there is something wrong with it. I haven't even powered it up in many years, just so you know.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:21:05am |
re: #151 HoosierHoops
This is my first weekend off since I moved here.. I've put up with kids at this apt. building playing their stereo's all night on the weekends..
I like living among 40000 college students till I find a house...
Tonight is my revenge.. I'll be unpacking my rig and Strat guitar..
Just when the parties start up with Rap music droning on for hours.. I'll turn up my Guitar and mega powered black widow speakers and teach them what real rock music sounds like..I can move air and shake walls and windows like they have never heard..go ahead turn that stereo up to 10.. It really won't matter..I have the power..They just don't know it yet..hehehe
We want a report tomorrow!
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:21:42am |
re: #160 reine.de.tout
Hello!
Hows things down south?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:22:29am |
re: #158 RogueOne
Is that a "thank god for the military industrial complex!" I hear?
Darpa and Skunkworks rule!
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:23:36am |
I have 2 spots in the bottom 10. Ya'll need to try harder!! And morning, Honcos!!
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:24:03am |
re: #156 prairiefire
I like Gene Wilder's melt downs.[Video]
Wilder might be the best comic actor of all time. Young Frankenstein, Blazing Saddles, Silver Streak, etc...
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:24:22am |
re: #154 Rightwingconspirator
Oh yeah get it ON!
There has been a bass line droning on for hours through the building..I'm usually at work...I figure some rock music tonight with " Real Amps" may affect them tonight...Cause my rig is louder than anything they have by multitudes.. And I don't play that well..
Bring the pain bitches!
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:27:55am |
re: #159 negativ
I have a Marshall JCM 800 4x12 slant cab and a Carvin X100-B head that you can have on the cheap. You pay for shipping. Both are late '80s vintage.
The head needs some TLC. It needs a completely new set of tubes, the pots need to be cleaned, as well as the EQ sliders. It probably should be re-biased and just gone over in general. As it currently is, it blows fuses, so clearly there is something wrong with it. I haven't even powered it up in many years, just so you know.
I sold a 6x10 cab last year..I'd love to have a 4x12 Marshall again
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b_Snark Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:29:33am |
re: #159 negativ
I have a Marshall JCM 800 4x12 slant cab and a Carvin X100-B head that you can have on the cheap. You pay for shipping. Both are late '80s vintage.
The head needs some TLC. It needs a completely new set of tubes, the pots need to be cleaned, as well as the EQ sliders. It probably should be re-biased and just gone over in general. As it currently is, it blows fuses, so clearly there is something wrong with it. I haven't even powered it up in many years, just so you know.
What does 'on the cheap' mean?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:29:35am |
A blast from the past...
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:29:44am |
aftrenoon everyone.
not long back from triumphing in a bout of honest sporting endeavor - and beer.
how're y'all?
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b_Snark Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:30:18am |
re: #166 HoosierHoops
I sold a 6x10 cab last year..I'd love to have a 4x12 Marshall again
So would I.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:30:46am |
re: #156 prairiefire
It's completely impossible for me to wrap my goofy little mind around the idea that Gene Wilder is currently almost 80 years old.
/it's FRONK-en-STEEN!
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b_Snark Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:33:16am |
re: #151 HoosierHoops
This is my first weekend off since I moved here.. I've put up with kids at this apt. building playing their stereo's all night on the weekends..
I like living among 40000 college students till I find a house...
Tonight is my revenge.. I'll be unpacking my rig and Strat guitar..
Just when the parties start up with Rap music droning on for hours.. I'll turn up my Guitar and mega powered black widow speakers and teach them what real rock music sounds like..I can move air and shake walls and windows like they have never heard..go ahead turn that stereo up to 10.. It really won't matter..I have the power..They just don't know it yet..hehehe
What amp do you use, and what's the power rating?
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RogueOne Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:33:34am |
I have work to do, You People enjoy yourselves.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:36:08am |
re: #172 b_sharp
What amp do you use, and what's the power rating?
I use a Peavy Studio pro miked up to my HK 1000 amp PA.. It's loud bro..Really stupid loud...
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:37:30am |
re: #167 b_sharp
What does 'on the cheap' mean?
It means I want to get rid of it; the buyer has a sort of realistic idea what s/he might expect to pay for it; and I'm not terribly opposed to entertaining lowball offers.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:39:44am |
re: #174 HoosierHoops
I use a Peavy Studio pro miked up to my HK 1000 amp PA.. It's loud bro..Really stupid loud...
Sela Ward was born in Meridian. Home of Peavy. I was there for a spell. Non of this matters.
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b_Snark Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:44:00am |
re: #174 HoosierHoops
I use a Peavy Studio pro miked up to my HK 1000 amp PA.. It's loud bro..Really stupid loud...
A 1000w amp should shake their socks.
I have two amps, a Peavey acoustic @ 200w and a Peavey Stereo @ 180w. Either of them can shake the china cabinet in the house from my shed outside.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:44:23am |
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b_Snark Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:45:31am |
re: #175 negativ
It means I want to get rid of it; the buyer has a sort of realistic idea what s/he might expect to pay for it; and I'm not terribly opposed to entertaining lowball offers.
Do you know what the weights are, so I can determine shipping costs?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:45:41am |
Steve Vai recorded a song called "Blue Powder" using the Carvin X100-B amp in nineteen-eighty-something. It was explicitly intended as a demonstration of the amp, and involved no pedals or post-processing. Guitar Player magazine featured it as a flexi-disc (if you remember GP flexidiscs and turntables, then holy shit you're old), and the song eventually ended up several years later on Vai's album, "Passion and Warfare".
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b_Snark Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:45:55am |
re: #176 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sela Ward was born in Meridian. Home of Peavy. I was there for a spell. Non of this matters.
Sela Ward always matters.
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:48:31am |
re: #178 Killgore Trout
Mom Upset Over Son's Assignment to Recite Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish
Outrageous!
oh good grief.
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b_Snark Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:49:09am |
re: #180 negativ
Steve Vai recorded a song called "Blue Powder" using the Carvin X100-B amp in nineteen-eighty-something. It was explicitly intended as a demonstration of the amp, and involved no pedals or post-processing. Guitar Player magazine featured it as a flexi-disc (if you remember GP flexidiscs and turntables, then holy shit you're old), and the song eventually ended up several years later on Vai's album, "Passion and Warfare".
[Video]
I not only remember flexidisks and turntables, I still have them. In boxes, but they're here.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:49:16am |
re: #179 b_sharp
Do you know what the weights are, so I can determine shipping costs?
No idea. I'd say "one zillion ounces". If you're actually serious about buying things you know in advance to be neglected and generally fucked up, email me at negativ at gmail d0t com.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:53:23am |
I love Via.. does anybody remember him cutting heads as the devils guitarist in Crossroads? I loved that scene.. The best all time guitarist smack down of all time
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webevintage Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:57:08am |
re: #178 Killgore Trout
Mom Upset Over Son's Assignment to Recite Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish
Outrageous!
For Spanish class.
And this woman is allowed to vote....
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Gus Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:57:55am |
re: #188 webevintage
For Spanish class.
And this woman is allowed to vote...
Another Fox News viewer no doubt.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:59:19am |
Well, at least nobody's getting waterboarded....
Yemen orders US-born cleric found 'dead or alive'
With his sudden trial and the arrest order, Yemen appears to be trying to show its American allies that it considers the cleric a serious threat.
Judge Mohsen Allwan ordered al-Awlaki to be "arrested by force, dead or alive" after he failed to appear for the start of his trial in Yemen on Tuesday. He was charged last week as a co-defendant in a surprise announcement as part of the trial of another man, Hisham Assem, who has been accused of killing a Frenchman in an Oct. 6 attack at an oil firm compound.
Al-Awlaki's name and that of a cousin, Othman al-Awlaki, were added as defendants in absentia.
According to the prosecution, Othman al-Awlaki had put Assem indirectly in e-mail contact with Anwar al-Awlaki.
In Tuesday's court session, Assem denied all charges and claimed he had been tortured in detention to make false confessions. He repeated those claims on Saturday.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:59:35am |
re: #188 webevintage
For Spanish class.
And this woman is allowed to vote...
Story is from Oklahoma..Who knew?
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:00:34am |
re: #16 freetoken
Many all time high records were set for the dates, all over SoCal. Downtown LA 113 as I recall. I'm tempted to get the 7D and get uphill a ways for some photography.
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Jadespring Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:01:24am |
re: #188 webevintage
For Spanish class.
And this woman is allowed to vote...
In Spanish class? LOL
I couldn't get the story to load. For some reason most of the time when I try to load up something from the Fox news site it causes my internet connection to hang in some sort holding pattern or disconnect entirely.
I'm starting to think it's developing some sort of sentience. "Look don't bother looking Jade, it's a waste of time..."
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:03:05am |
re: #193 Rightwingconspirator
Many all time high records were set for the dates, all over SoCal. Downtown LA 113 as I recall. I'm tempted to get the 7D and get uphill a ways for some photography.
I'm going to spend some money today,,What model camera would you recommend for an amateur? ( but wicked cool )
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webevintage Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:03:43am |
re: #192 HoosierHoops
Story is from Oklahoma..Who knew?
Heh.
It could have been Arkansas....
BTW, the comments after the article are mix of awesome sarcasm and crazy with a helping of crazy TeaParty sauce.
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Gus Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:03:51am |
re: #194 Jadespring
In Spanish class? LOL
I couldn't get the story to load. For some reason most of the time when I try to load up something from the Fox news site it causes my internet connection to hang in some sort holding pattern or disconnect entirely.
I'm starting to think it's developing some sort of sentience. "Look don't bother looking Jade, it's a waste of time..."
Yep, in Spanish class no less.
But Brenda Lyons, associate superintendent and public information officer for the Edmond School District, defended the class assignment, saying the school's language curriculum calls for students to translate and recite something that they are familiar with.
“The Pledge assignment has been in place for years.” Lyons told FoxNews.com. “It is written in the curriculum for Spanish that students need to learn something they are familiar with, like short phrases in the foreign language.”
She said students and parents were made aware of the assignment at the beginning of the school year, and added: “If a parent has an issue with an assignment and calls in advance of that assignment being given, then the student can be given an alternative assignment.”
This is the caliber of people we are dealing with today.
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jaunte Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:04:18am |
re: #178 Killgore Trout
Mom Upset Over Son's Assignment to Recite Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish
Outrageous!
She might also feel uncomfortable if the teacher assigned bible verses in Spanish, since it isn't the language of King James.
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Jadespring Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:07:10am |
re: #197 Gus 802
Thanks for posting some quotes from it. It still won't load up. :)
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:08:24am |
re: #195 HoosierHoops
SLR OK?
The Canon Rebel (well under $1000, maybe $700) is great, the new one is really good, great stills, 720 video...
Great deals abound on last years model. Better than the point and shooters. Good lens standard. The big difference from say the upmarket 50 or 60 D is its not as big and rugged. That's a smart compromise for the careful owner. It has plenty of megapixels and a good processor. Many pros carry the rebel for a backup body.
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Gus Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:08:40am |
re: #199 Jadespring
Thanks for posting some quotes from it. It still won't load up. :)
Try this one. There's also a video here where you can see this mental midget:
[Link: www.kfor.com...]
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craigs111 Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:11:47am |
Hll y lft-wng lsrs
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:13:09am |
re: #201 Gus 802
My version of the pledge in Spanish:
Juro fidelidad a la bandera de los Estados Unidos de América, y a la república que representa, una nación indivisible cón libertad y justicía para todós.
What is threatening about that? Does this woman understand that when you translate it into Spanish, it doesn't change "United States of America" to "Mexico"?
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Gus Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:13:14am |
re: #199 Jadespring
Thanks for posting some quotes from it. It still won't load up. :)
Here's a screen shot:
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:14:14am |
There is a mosquito the the room. Buzzz, buzz, swat. No more mosquito...
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:14:38am |
re: #202 craigs111
That's just sad.
I used to post on Fark. I decided Fark had gotten pretty stupid. So I stopped posting there.
I can't imagine the level of patheticness it takes to keep coming back to a blog you got banned from, over and over. It's self-abuse, and not in the fun way.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:18:37am |
re: #186 HoosierHoops
I love Via.. does anybody remember him cutting heads as the devils guitarist in Crossroads? I loved that scene.. The best all time guitarist smack down of all time
You mean the below. The guitar parts were played by Steve Vai and Ry Cooder.
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Semper Fi Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:19:12am |
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:19:18am |
So anyway in the news, Boeing is making out-going to be exporting 747's to India. Heh. I want to part time at a Boeing tech support call center for when one of their aircraft mechanics needs call center tech support.
"Sir, what is the serial number on the airplane? I have to verify Premium Support before I can help you."
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jaunte Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:22:24am |
re: #208 Obdicut
That's just sad.
I used to post on Fark. I decided Fark had gotten pretty stupid. So I stopped posting there.
I can't imagine the level of patheticness it takes to keep coming back to a blog you got banned from, over and over. It's self-abuse, and not in the fun way.
No woman = plenty of time.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:25:07am |
Good Morning Charles, thanks for the quick disemvowel. The post looks much better now.
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Semper Fi Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:28:30am |
re: #195 HoosierHoops
I'm going to spend some money today,,What model camera would you recommend for an amateur? ( but wicked cool )
Hello, Hoops.
I wouldn't make any moves in that direction without Charles' input.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:29:10am |
re: #212 Semper Fi
I remember. Thank you.
Actually, I remember the tune, didn't even know the origins of it... I was doing some googling this morning for my trip to France, came across the artist Serge Gainsbourg, looked him up, found his version of the song, and then the instrumental version by "Sounds Nice" and suddenly realized I had heard it before, actually sat down at the keyboard and played along with the YouTube video... I suspect I had played it with one of the many bands I was in between 1970-82... I've probably forgotten more music than I can remember.
What's even more interesting, look up Serge Gainsbourg... who physically looks like the bastard step child of Andrew Lloyd Weber and Woody Allen. Quite a "ladies man" even though, IMO, he looks like a troll.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: www.google.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:31:18am |
re: #217 Walter L. Newton
Correction
"like the bastard love child of Andrew Lloyd Weber or Woody Allen."
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:31:47am |
re: #211 negativ
You mean the below. The guitar parts were played by Steve Vai and Ry Cooder.
[Video]
The greatest guitar duel of all time recorded on film.. PERIOD!
It makes the devil went down to Georgia look like a third grade music class...
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:32:44am |
re: #216 Semper Fi
Hello, Hoops.
I wouldn't make any moves in that direction without Charles' input.
I asked Charles but he missed my post..I was going to order from Amazon
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Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:37:50am |
re: #220 HoosierHoops
I asked Charles but he missed my post..I was going to order from Amazon
Sorry, I was arguing with someone in the previous thread. Heh.
Do you need a pocket camera or a DSLR style? How "pro" do you need it to be?
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:41:48am |
re: #221 Charles
Sorry, I was arguing with someone in the previous thread. Heh.
Do you need a pocket camera or a DSLR style? How "pro" do you need it to be?
Believe it or not..I don't know about cameras.. Something cool for about 500 bucks...Does that buy me something of quality?
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prairiefire Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:41:49am |
re: #220 HoosierHoops
I really like our Canon
PowerShot SD780 IS
It can take shots like this:[Link: imgur.com...] outside
And like this:[Link: imgur.com...] inside
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:43:12am |
re: #222 HoosierHoops
That gets a really good point & shoot.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:43:30am |
re: #219 HoosierHoops
The greatest guitar duel of all time recorded on film.. PERIOD!
It makes the devil went down to Georgia look like a third grade music class...
She got right up and dressed herself and ate the banana
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:43:34am |
Not that anybody asked me, but I really like our new Canon Powershot 4500.
You will need a Speed Class 6 memory card.
Cool features: Take pictures or video with only one color, the rest black and white.
Pictures in sepia or black and white.
Slow-mo.
All the usual bells & whistles.
All I dislike is that it's a rechargeable canon battery, so you'll want to buy an extra.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:44:11am |
re: #222 HoosierHoops
Believe it or not..I don't know about cameras.. Something cool for about 500 bucks...Does that buy me something of quality?
If you can spend $500, I'd recommend the Canon G12:
Canon G12 10MP Digital Camera with 5x Optical Image Stabilized Zoom and 2.8 inch Vari-Angle LCD
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:45:58am |
re: #225 negativ
For those not in the know, Little Stevie Vai was the ripe old age of 19 at tthe time when this vidya was shot.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:47:05am |
I have the earlier model, the G10, and it's a terrific camera. Has many DSLR-style features to give you greater control if you need it, and a vastly superior lens to a pocket camera's.
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Gus Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:49:24am |
Take 2!
The Pledge of Allegiance - Spanish
Yo prometo lealtad a la bandera
de los estados Unidos de America,
y a la Republica que representa,
una Nacion bajo Dios,
entera,
con libertad y justicia para todos.
Now we all know this kook (or is that "these kooks") wouldn't have made an issue if it was in German or French class.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:49:33am |
re: #228 negativ
herpty derp, make that 22.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:50:26am |
re: #229 Charles
I have the earlier model, the G10, and it's a terrific camera. Has many DSLR-style features to give you greater control if you need it, and a vastly superior lens to a pocket camera's.
Sounds like a good camera to take sports shots with..Thanks Charles
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Semper Fi Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:52:48am |
re: #217 Walter L. Newton
Actually, I remember the tune, didn't even know the origins of it... I was doing some googling this morning for my trip to France, came across the artist Serge Gainsbourg, looked him up, found his version of the song, and then the instrumental version by "Sounds Nice" and suddenly realized I had heard it before, actually sat down at the keyboard and played along with the YouTube video... I suspect I had played it with one of the many bands I was in between 1970-82... I've probably forgotten more music than I can remember.
What's even more interesting, look up Serge Gainsbourg... who physically looks like the bastard step child of Andrew Lloyd Weber and Woody Allen. Quite a "ladies man" even though, IMO, he looks like a troll.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: www.google.com...]
Info is very interesting. I never knew the artists name until you provided with your post. I've heard it many times in the past and 'always' paused to let it take hold. I find it very pleasing and have played your post 3 times already. Regarding Serge, what a gifted man. The ladies were probably attracted by the depth of his soul.
Thanks again.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 6, 2010 10:54:28am |
re: #232 HoosierHoops
Sounds like a good camera to take sports shots with..Thanks Charles
A lot of the photos I've posted were taken with the G10.
Of course, for a bit more than $500 you could also get an entry-level Nikon DSLR like the D5000, if you want a more professional camera with interchangeable lenses and a much better image processor:
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:07:40am |
Back when you could still find competent labs who'd process film (i.e. about 5 years ago) you could buy a used Pentax K1000 with an f1.2 50mm lens for $30 and obtain results rivaling that of photographers using digital gear costing more than a new car.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:08:16am |
re: #235 negativ
Mmm, I had a Pentax K1000. Great freaking camera. Loved the way it felt, too.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:14:46am |
re: #213 Rightwingconspirator
So anyway in the news, Boeing is making out-going to be exporting 747's to India. Heh. I want to part time at a Boeing tech support call center for when one of their aircraft mechanics needs call center tech support.
"Sir, what is the serial number on the airplane? I have to verify Premium Support before I can help you."
Wouldn't that be outsourced too? Perhaps to Pakistan? :oops:
/
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:21:46am |
Taxed Enough Already?
On Friday, Cantor even rejected President Obama's call for additional tax breaks to spur hiring, such as a proposal to let businesses deduct their expenses more quickly.Republicans offer "a disciplined approach to removing uncertainty and to allowing the private sector to regain its footing and begin to grow again," Cantor said in an interview. "Trying to prod business to do what Washington wants is not what is needed. We need to rein in this desire of Washington to tell business how to grow."
That hands-off strategy - combined with GOP plans for an immediate and dramatic reduction in government spending - would do more harm than good, said Bill Gale, a senior fellow in economics studies at the Brookings Institution.
"I don't get what they think they're doing to stimulate the economy right now," Gale said. "I can understand that people are angry or upset about the economy. But I can't understand how that anger and anxiety has turned into this set of legislative proposals."
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:22:04am |
re: #235 negativ
Back when you could still find competent labs who'd process film (i.e. about 5 years ago) you could buy a used Pentax K1000 with an f1.2 50mm lens for $30 and obtain results rivaling that of photographers using digital gear costing more than a new car.
Still can. I'll keep my Leica IIIf & Summitar over any current digital. They have their place and some are damn good but nothing yet beats Pan F or Plus-X on a sunny day. Go large format and the disparity gets hard to believe. Of course, you either have to dunk your own (as I do) or pay a good lab (there are still more than a couple out there) but the results are well worth it. When we move next summer the Boss has promised a room for me and my Omega 4x5 enlarger.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:22:38am |
re: #238 Killgore Trout
oops missing link
Republicans map out their agenda of less
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:23:23am |
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bratwurst Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:28:02am |
re: #241 Obdicut
So they're even against tax cuts now?
What are they for?
Limiting Obama to one term!
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:28:54am |
re: #241 Obdicut
So they're even against tax cuts now?
What are they for?
I think they're just going to be ballast. Speedbumps on the road to the future. There's not much else they can co. They don't have an agenda that can work in the real world an they know it. They have no agenda, nothing they can deliver on and no plan for the future. There's nothing for them to do aside from slow everything down.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:30:20am |
re: #243 Killgore Trout
I guess their plan is to say that any proposal and policy is wrong and bad and stupid, and, since every policy or proposal has some negative outcomes, point to those and say "See, I told you so!".
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:30:57am |
re: #242 bratwurst
Limiting Obama to one term!
I don't see that happening. It's going to be quite a while before we see a Republican president again.
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bratwurst Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:33:04am |
re: #245 Killgore Trout
I don't see that happening. It's going to be quite a while before we see a Republican president again.
In spite of the events of this week, I tend to agree. I just cannot fathom who the GOP has that is crazy enough to win the primaries but sane enough to win the general.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:40:24am |
re: #246 bratwurst
I think Romney could manage it if he weren't a Mormon and would therefore turn off so many of the fundamentalist Christian base.
Not that I would want Romney to be president.
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bratwurst Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:43:12am |
re: #247 Obdicut
I think Romney could manage it if he weren't a Mormon and would therefore turn off so many of the fundamentalist Christian base.
Not that I would want Romney to be president.
He is a decent man (especially by comparison to other potential candidates), but it won't be lefties like us that shoot him down...it will be people to his right.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:44:51am |
re: #248 bratwurst
I don't think he's decent, after his recent pandering to those same fundies at the Values Voters summit.
[Link: www.religiondispatches.org...]
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allegro Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:54:00am |
re: #249 Obdicut
I don't think he's decent, after his recent pandering to those same fundies at the Values Voters summit.
I haven't thought he was decent since he decided it was a good idea to travel with his dog on the roof of his car and think it was an amusing story that the dog freaked out.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 6, 2010 11:54:15am |
Another awesome Tom Waits interview:
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 6, 2010 12:08:42pm |
And then, suddenly:
Behold the next ruler of North Korea!
Image: tYcl1.jpg
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Firstinla Sat, Nov 6, 2010 12:16:03pm |
re: #252 negativ
And then, suddenly:
Behold the next ruler of North Korea!
Image: tYcl1.jpg
He's already the same size as his predecessor, isn't he?
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albusteve Sat, Nov 6, 2010 12:21:11pm |
can Zenyatta go down undefeated?....I sure hope so, what a story
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SteveC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 12:33:17pm |
OT-
The Spirit of St. Louis starring Jimmy Stewart is starting on TCM right now.
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Bentis Fughazi Sat, Nov 6, 2010 12:34:48pm |
re: #75 sattv4u2
I don't really like people blowing smoke up my assI can give you the number of a high end call girl I met in London once who has a great technique for doing that ,,
Ah, you must be one of those "Family Values" Republicans.
/
ummm,,,errr,, did I just type that out loud !?!?!?!
You did, Oscar. You did.
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Quant Sat, Nov 6, 2010 12:35:43pm |
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Four More Tears Sat, Nov 6, 2010 12:44:25pm |
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albusteve Sat, Nov 6, 2010 12:46:44pm |
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Jadespring Sat, Nov 6, 2010 12:56:34pm |
I just had a personal experience with someone else board that I have know for years. I have always considered her a smart and intelligent person and one who generally has held a moderate worldview. Over the past few months though her viewpoint on most everything has been drastically shifting into what I can only describe as an over all fear of most everything (especially muslims and the threat of Islam) as well as a drastic change in her views on criminals and punishment. It's turning into basically lock up and throw away the key no matter what. Yesterday she even let out a rant about how 'whites' aren't even allowed to celebrate their culture anymore without it being called hate. The US is being over run by Mexicans apparently and this is one of the main reasons for the economic downturn in parts of the US. Her discussions have also been slowly turning into a succession of talking points rather then what they used to be, basically much more critical in analysis.
I had been really wondering what the heck was behind this change (I'm not the only one who has noticed) and I think I got a bit of insight into part of it at least. Purely anecdotal of course but I really can't help but see a connection. About six months ago her ailing Dad moved into her home and she stated that basically he spends his time, because he can't do anything else watching tv. She was complaining about how it was really annoying at first because he has it on all of the time but she eventually got used to it.
Anyone what to take a guess at what channel has been on the majority of the time?
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SteveC Sat, Nov 6, 2010 1:03:21pm |
re: #263 Jadespring
Anyone what to take a guess at what channel has been on the majority of the time?
VH1?
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albusteve Sat, Nov 6, 2010 1:04:18pm |
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allegro Sat, Nov 6, 2010 1:12:26pm |
re: #263 Jadespring
Yesterday she even let out a rant about how 'whites' aren't even allowed to celebrate their culture anymore without it being called hate.
How do whites celebrate their culture? What culture izzat? I mean, I can celebrate my Irish heritage and do most every St. Pat's day. I can celebrate my German heritage at Oktoberfest. I can celebrate my Cherokee heritage by going to a Pow Wow (oh wait - they aren't the white part). So really, what culture are whites celebrating?
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Jadespring Sat, Nov 6, 2010 1:22:43pm |
re: #266 allegro
How do whites celebrate their culture? What culture izzat? I mean, I can celebrate my Irish heritage and do most every St. Pat's day. I can celebrate my German heritage at Oktoberfest. I can celebrate my Cherokee heritage by going to a Pow Wow (oh wait - they aren't the white part). So really, what culture are whites celebrating?
Beats me. That whole line is just bogus as far as I'm concerned. Generalized statements like that one though come straight out of the white suprememist land of rhetoric and I was really shocked when I read it from her. I actually don't think she'd have any direct answer to those questions. Someone did ask for some specific example of something that she wanted to celebrate and people said was hateful but the answer just changed the subject into something about the problems with immigrants assimilating. You know it's just more about 'feeling' that this is the case rather then concrete examples or perhaps just repeating something that someone else has said without really thinking it through.
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allegro Sat, Nov 6, 2010 1:30:43pm |
re: #267 Jadespring
I find the whole white suprememist thing just sad. The hate is just a by-product I think, a focus so to speak, for people who think so little of themselves that the only thing they feel they have going for themselves is a lack of melanin.
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