Tonight’s musical interlude features the kind of performance that traumatizes guitar players: Paul Gilbert doing “Will My Screen Door Stop Neptune” from his new album Fuzz Universe.External Image
The guitar solo in this one is a jaw-dropping example of Shreddus Maximus. Listening to it may cause permanent alterations to your genome.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Nov 8, 2010 5:26:15pm |
I have a new page up - eviscerating and I do mean eviscerating our favorite nutty Lord, Monckton.
It is sort of the ultimate resource for taking that clown down.
Dr. John Abraham of St. Thomas University in Minnesota, a researcher into thermal fluids, took the time to utterly and thoroughly debunk "Lord" Christopher Monckton and the pseudo science, open lies and distortions he peddles. He made a presentation and gave a talk that utterly debunks Monkton's trash. What makes this presentation so amazing is that he tracked down each false slide of Monkton's and each cherry picked quote. This is the single most thorough and academic evisceration of Monkton's fraud I have ever seen.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 5:28:26pm |
re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote
I have a new page up - eviscerating and I do mean eviscerating our favorite nutty Lord, Monckton.
It is sort of the ultimate resource for taking that clown down.
Dr. John Abraham of St. Thomas University in Minnesota, a researcher into thermal fluids, took the time to utterly and thoroughly debunk "Lord" Christopher Monckton and the pseudo science, open lies and distortions he peddles. He made a presentation and gave a talk that utterly debunks Monkton's trash. What makes this presentation so amazing is that he tracked down each false slide of Monkton's and each cherry picked quote. This is the single most thorough and academic evisceration of Monkton's fraud I have ever seen.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I think I will get the vegetable lo main & maybe a shrimp roll...
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wrenchwench Mon, Nov 8, 2010 5:31:42pm |
As the proprietor of the Used CD Store across the street, himself a guitarist, would say, "Oh, he's one of those wailey-wailey guitarists." I don't know whether I spelled that correctly.
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Usually refered to as anyways Mon, Nov 8, 2010 5:32:08pm |
Can someone please remind me why I shouldn't be jealous, envious and want to hunt him down and break his fingers?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 5:32:36pm |
re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote
I have a new page up - eviscerating and I do mean eviscerating our favorite nutty Lord, Monckton.
It is sort of the ultimate resource for taking that clown down.
Dr. John Abraham of St. Thomas University in Minnesota, a researcher into thermal fluids, took the time to utterly and thoroughly debunk "Lord" Christopher Monckton and the pseudo science, open lies and distortions he peddles. He made a presentation and gave a talk that utterly debunks Monkton's trash. What makes this presentation so amazing is that he tracked down each false slide of Monkton's and each cherry picked quote. This is the single most thorough and academic evisceration of Monkton's fraud I have ever seen.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Good stuff. The problem, as I see it, is that those who follow Monkton will just dismiss the data as "self-serving babble by a university leftist". They won't listen, because that would mean admitting their error.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 5:33:17pm |
re: #5 ozbloke
Can someone please remind me why I shouldn't be jealous, envious and want to hunt him down and break his fingers?
cause it would be wrong?
and besides, you can't handle his chicks ;)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Nov 8, 2010 5:34:35pm |
re: #6 Dark_Falcon
Good stuff. The problem, as I see it, is that those who follow Monkton will just dismiss the data as "self-serving babble by a university leftist". They won't listen, because that would mean admitting their error.
Perhaps, but others will listen and the way to fight a liar is to prove he is a liar.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 8, 2010 5:35:40pm |
In the solo he plays a string of uninterrupted 32nd notes for about 20 seconds, and it sounds like he's picking every one. It's pretty astounding.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 8, 2010 5:42:01pm |
What's his guitar on the album cover. Looks cool, almost like a Gretsch or something.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 5:45:48pm |
re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote
Perhaps, but others will listen and the way to fight a liar is to prove he is a liar.
Quite Concur. Hopefully, this makes a dent.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 8, 2010 5:52:03pm |
re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote
I did like his last appearance, here.
Left you a note downstairs.
Nice guitar work, thanks for posting this, Charles!
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 8, 2010 5:52:29pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
What's his guitar on the album cover. Looks cool, almost like a Gretsch or something.
It's one of his Ibanez signature models:
[Link: www.ibanez.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 8, 2010 5:53:27pm |
re: #4 wrenchwench
Doesn't matter, your meaning was communicated clearly!
Waley? Wailey?
Potato, potatoe!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:05:07pm |
I updated the Monckton post with Sinclair's updated Monckton videos.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:08:19pm |
Evening all.....It's another banner day. Starting to look for a new job tomorrow. Still have the old one, but not sure how long it's going to last at this point.
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:08:43pm |
Fuzz Universe
cool! - impinges on the fusion universe in that some of the arpeggios in his tune remind me a bit of mahavishnu's inner mounting flame, although his playing is very different than mclaughlin's. quite the technician with that intense articulation!
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:12:49pm |
re: #17 engineer dog
Sounds Steve Vai-esque. Crisp as can bee.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:13:29pm |
re: #16 PT Barnum
Evening all...It's another banner day. Starting to look for a new job tomorrow. Still have the old one, but not sure how long it's going to last at this point.
things are picking up... businesses are beginning to exhale.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:18:07pm |
Evening lizards!
Watching MNF and happy to hear about the Cowboys replacing coach Wade Phillips earlier today. I like Jason Garret. I hope he earns a full time gig on that position.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:18:19pm |
re: #19 brookly red
things are picking up... businesses are beginning to exhale.
Oh, now they are. Right.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:18:46pm |
re: #13 Charles
It's one of his Ibanez signature models:
[Link: www.ibanez.com...]
Nice. A lot of the Ibanez models still look tacky to me but they're getting better.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:19:25pm |
re: #19 brookly red
things are picking up... businesses are beginning to exhale.
I know..I'm starting to get more calls from recruiters.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:19:38pm |
re: #14 Floral Giraffe
Doesn't matter, your meaning was communicated clearly!
Waley? Wailey?
Potato, potatoe!
Email sent to you. Take your time in answering.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:20:55pm |
re: #23 PT Barnum
I know..I'm starting to get more calls from recruiters.
I had 4 interviews since the election.. coincidence?
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:23:15pm |
re: #25 brookly red
I had 4 interviews since the election.. coincidence?
4 interviews in 6 days. When did they call you, Nov. 1st?
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:24:03pm |
re: #25 brookly red
I had 4 interviews since the election.. coincidence?
Congratulations!
Now, LAND that job!
Best wishes!
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:24:39pm |
re: #26 prairiefire
4 interviews in 6 days. When did they call you, Nov. 1st?
no I network on LinkedIn.com... a fine resource if your serious.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:26:42pm |
re: #27 Floral Giraffe
Congratulations!
Now, LAND that job!
Best wishes!
Thanks but more than likely it will just be freelance... full-time jobs = healthcare and that is sooo not happening.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:27:22pm |
'waterboarding' saved British lives
Thankfully the practice has been halted.
/just stirring the pot while waiting for my bird to cook.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:28:34pm |
re: #29 brookly red
Thanks but more than likely it will just be freelance... full-time jobs = healthcare and that is sooo not happening.
Not these days, you're going to have to wait a few years for the reforms to kick in. Socialism!
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:28:43pm |
re: #25 brookly red
I had 4 interviews since the election.. coincidence?
Here. Take some of my karma.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:29:52pm |
re: #29 brookly red
Thanks but more than likely it will just be freelance... full-time jobs = healthcare and that is sooo not happening.
I hope you get SHOCKED with an awesome offer!
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:29:57pm |
re: #31 Killgore Trout
Not these days, you're going to have to wait a few years for the reforms to kick in. Socialism!
actually I am not thinking so...
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:30:09pm |
re: #30 Killgore Trout
'waterboarding' saved British lives
Thankfully the practice has been halted.
/just stirring the pot while waiting for my bird to cook.
game hen?
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:32:22pm |
Holy Crap..That was like John Mclaughlin on Roids in the 70's!
Beautiful technique..I think I just got a tingle up my leg..
*wink*
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:33:05pm |
re: #37 HoosierHoops
Holy Crap..That was like John Mclaughlin on Roids in the 70's!
Beautiful technique..I think I just got a tingle up my leg..
*wink*
LOL!
*waves*
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:33:40pm |
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:34:43pm |
re: #31 Killgore Trout
Not these days, you're going to have to wait a few years for the reforms to kick in. Socialism!
well that would be cool, but my landlord kinda wants to get paid now.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:35:14pm |
re: #39 brookly red
re: #34 Floral Giraffe
well thank you of course, but the mere fact that businesses are stopping lay-offs & starting to hire consultants is a good sign... we may see real jobs happening by the summer.
I'm seeing a real job happen next week.
AND...it's a perm, not a contract! With healthcare! Dental too!
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:36:20pm |
re: #41 Alouette
I'm seeing a real job happen next week.
AND...it's a perm, not a contract! With healthcare! Dental too!
excellent! I wonder what changed to improve things???
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:36:59pm |
re: #37 HoosierHoops
I followed a navy convertible A4 for HOURS in messed up traffic today.
Thought of you. Cute car, is it a good one?
And, do you fit under the cabriolet hood?
Looks kinda small to me.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:38:08pm |
re: #41 Alouette
I'm seeing a real job happen next week.
AND...it's a perm, not a contract! With healthcare! Dental too!
I got my benefits info today. Now I have to see if my doctor is covered. They won't kick in till next month though, so I've got to sell enough to cover them.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:39:08pm |
re: #25 brookly red
I had 4 interviews since the election.. coincidence?
Who cares! Score the gig. Good luck dude.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:39:22pm |
re: #44 Dark_Falcon
I got my benefits info today. Now I have to see if my doctor is covered. They won't kick in till next month though, so I've got to sell enough to cover them.
what are you selling? you have a good network here...
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:40:56pm |
re: #47 Stanley Sea
I'm still on the look out for new ones.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:41:29pm |
re: #43 Floral Giraffe
I followed a navy convertible A4 for HOURS in messed up traffic today.
Thought of you. Cute car, is it a good one?
And, do you fit under the cabriolet hood?
Looks kinda small to me.
I'm wavering.. What do you think of this?
[Link: www.eskridgelexus.com...]
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:41:46pm |
re: #31 Killgore Trout
Not these days, you're going to have to wait a few years for the reforms to kick in. Socialism!
Better to have no insurance and die than be cured by a socialist! That's called standing on principle.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:43:04pm |
re: #46 brookly red
what are you selling? you have a good network here...
Conference seats. My field is Defense, which is why I don't talk much about it here. Nobody here is in my field. Still, I finally got a sale last week, and my promotion kicked in this month, which was the raise I was hoping for. I still have much to do, but I've got faith that I can sell what I need.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:43:58pm |
re: #50 palomino
Better to have no insurance and die than be cured by a socialist! That's called standing on principle.
And then being layed out horizontal, on principal. LOL.
Windy enough for ya? Might stop by the intersection Friday BTW...
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:44:24pm |
re: #50 palomino
Better to have no insurance and die than be cured by a socialist! That's called standing on principle.
huff all you want, the business community is responding favorably to the election results... and personally I need my pay check more than your principals. Sorry dude.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:45:15pm |
re: #43 Floral Giraffe
I followed a navy convertible A4 for HOURS in messed up traffic today.
Thought of you. Cute car, is it a good one?
And, do you fit under the cabriolet hood?
Looks kinda small to me.
the A4 is the same platform as the Passat, they're cool and (usually) AWD and have best interior in class
beware the Audi repair bill though o_o
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:45:44pm |
re: #51 Dark_Falcon
Conference seats. My field is Defense, which is why I don't talk much about it here. Nobody here is in my field. Still, I finally got a sale last week, and my promotion kicked in this month, which was the raise I was hoping for. I still have much to do, but I've got faith that I can sell what I need.
Oh, I don't know. I've got a daughter who will be 13 soon. I do run a lot of Defense./
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:45:47pm |
re: #51 Dark_Falcon
Conference seats. My field is Defense, which is why I don't talk much about it here. Nobody here is in my field. Still, I finally got a sale last week, and my promotion kicked in this month, which was the raise I was hoping for. I still have much to do, but I've got faith that I can sell what I need.
hmmm, your business prospects seem to have improved a bit lately.
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:45:56pm |
re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote
I have a new page up - eviscerating and I do mean eviscerating our favorite nutty Lord, Monckton.
It is sort of the ultimate resource for taking that clown down.
Dr. John Abraham of St. Thomas University in Minnesota, a researcher into thermal fluids, took the time to utterly and thoroughly debunk "Lord" Christopher Monckton and the pseudo science, open lies and distortions he peddles. He made a presentation and gave a talk that utterly debunks Monkton's trash. What makes this presentation so amazing is that he tracked down each false slide of Monkton's and each cherry picked quote. This is the single most thorough and academic evisceration of Monkton's fraud I have ever seen.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I watched that several months ago and then took a quick look at the 'Lard's' response. It was a masterful stroke that the Lard simply has no answer for.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:46:08pm |
re: #53 brookly red
huff all you want, the business community is responding favorably to the election results... and personally I need my pay check more than your principals. Sorry dude.
And the straw man is completed.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:46:17pm |
re: #49 HoosierHoops
ALWAYS better to buy a used car.
You'd look good in whatever you drove.
Now, about that OK weather.
Do you really want a convertible?
(Personal prejudice against Audi, since college.
HATED helping to replace the brake pads.
Want to be honest here...
LOL!)
*smooch*
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:46:29pm |
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:47:39pm |
re: #58 prairiefire
And the straw man is completed.
the straw man don't pay my bills... wanna try again?
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bratwurst Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:47:43pm |
re: #53 brookly red
huff all you want, the business community is responding favorably to the election results... and personally I need my pay check more than your principals. Sorry dude.
Do you think you would have had fewer interviews if the GOP had only taken 40 seats in the House? Could you have had another one if Reid had lost? Let's break this down.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:49:04pm |
re: #56 brookly red
hmmm, your business prospects seem to have improved a bit lately.
Maybe, but I'm not so sure. Some of our events are for other parts of the government as well as DoD. A Republican Congress can be relied upon to pass the Defense budget, but the rest of the government might be stuck on continuing resolutions and that would hurt me.
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:49:35pm |
re: #52 Rightwingconspirator
And then being layed out horizontal, on principal. LOL.
Windy enough for ya? Might stop by the intersection Friday BTW...
We went from summer to winter in two days.
Problem with the Studio City rallies is that one side has only the same three tea partiers every week, and the other side (although more crowded) is still protesting primarily the wars.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:50:32pm |
re: #50 palomino
Better to have no insurance and die than be cured by a socialist! That's called standing on principle.
You are right! Socialism has worked so wonderful for the Cuban and Venezuelan folks. We need to be more like them!
//
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:50:41pm |
re: #62 bratwurst
Do you think you would have had fewer interviews if the GOP had only taken 40 seats in the House? Could you have had another one if Reid had lost? Let's break this down.
why? why would I play your game? the business world just breathed a sigh of relief and maybe I can get some work now... no I don't feel the need to play that game.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:51:05pm |
re: #49 HoosierHoops
If it were my money and I wanted an upscale convertible, I'd just get a used BMW M3 convertible from the mid 2000s :D
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:51:30pm |
re: #53 brookly red
huff all you want, the business community is responding favorably to the election results... and personally I need my pay check more than your principals. Sorry dude.
Don't apologize, dude! It's not like you support people who want to overturn health care.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:51:59pm |
re: #63 Dark_Falcon
Maybe, but I'm not so sure. Some of our events are for other parts of the government as well as DoD. A Republican Congress can be relied upon to pass the Defense budget, but the rest of the government might be stuck on continuing resolutions and that would hurt me.
well all we can do is hope that it changes...
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:52:03pm |
re: #51 Dark_Falcon
Conference seats. My field is Defense, which is why I don't talk much about it here. Nobody here is in my field. Still, I finally got a sale last week, and my promotion kicked in this month, which was the raise I was hoping for. I still have much to do, but I've got faith that I can sell what I need.
Ever since the break-in last week, Zedushka is talking about buying a big-ass shotgun.
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:53:15pm |
re: #65 NJDhockeyfan
You are right! Socialism has worked so wonderful for the Cuban and Venezuelan folks. We need to be more like them!
//
try germany, england, sweden, or denmark
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:53:32pm |
re: #68 palomino
Don't apologize, dude! It's not like you support people who want to overturn health care.
well of course I do... look around you, I am not the only one.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:53:46pm |
re: #70 Alouette
If I may...
Think better locks and windows first. So nobody can sneak in.
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bratwurst Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:54:44pm |
re: #68 palomino
Don't apologize, dude! It's not like you support people who want to overturn health care.
But...but...don't you know he's a registered Democrat?!?!?!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:54:52pm |
re: #72 brookly red
well of course I do... look around you, I am not the only one.
You're right, there's all kinds of people who don't understand health care who want to overturn it. There's an incredible number of uninformed people in this country.
You know what's awesome?
Recission.
Do you know what recission is without looking it up?
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:55:22pm |
re: #73 Rightwingconspirator
If I may...
Think better locks and windows first. So nobody can sneak in.
I put rods in all the downstairs window frames.
I personally would not want to get close enough to an intruder to use a gun, or a baseball bat, or a marble rolling pin.
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:56:11pm |
re: #70 Alouette
Ever since the break-in last week, Zedushka is talking about buying a big-ass shotgun.
Why?
Did you wake up during the last break-in?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:56:13pm |
re: #63 Dark_Falcon
Maybe, but I'm not so sure. Some of our events are for other parts of the government as well as DoD. A Republican Congress can be relied upon to pass the Defense budget, but the rest of the government might be stuck on continuing resolutions and that would hurt me.
That "defense budget" or at least military apropreations bill currently has a repeal of DADT attached to it, so I wouldn't be counting on Republicans to pass it any time soon....
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:56:49pm |
re: #65 NJDhockeyfan
You are right! Socialism has worked so wonderful for the Cuban and Venezuelan folks. We need to be more like them!
//
Israel has "socialized" health care the last time I checked...
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:56:57pm |
re: #73 Rightwingconspirator
If I may...
Think better locks and windows first. So nobody can sneak in.
Think alarm, biological or otherwise.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:57:45pm |
re: #80 jamesfirecat
Israel has "socialized" health care the last time I checked...
Well, that's it, we can't be friends with them anymore
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:57:55pm |
re: #77 b_sharp
Why?
Did you wake up during the last break-in?
Zedushka was sneaking a cigarette in the garage with he heard something, thought it was raccoons in the garbage cans.
I am glad he did not confront the intruders, they could have beat him up with his own cane.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:58:15pm |
re: #82 WindUpBird
Well, that's it, we can't be friends with them anymore
///Typical Liberal Anti-Semitism!
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:58:15pm |
re: #65 NJDhockeyfan
You are right! Socialism has worked so wonderful for the Cuban and Venezuelan folks. We need to be more like them!
//
You don't get sarcasm unless there's a tag, huh? The joke is that the right conveniently sees HCR as socialism despite the fact they themselves came up with these ideas back in the 90s. And where were the right's cries of socialism when Mitt signed the same package into law in MA?
And way to put up straw men, where did I say anything about Venezuela?
But now that you've brought up Cuba, it's a shame that a country that backwards in most respects has both a higher literacy rate and a longer life expectancy than we do.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:58:46pm |
re: #75 WindUpBird
You're right, there's all kinds of people who don't understand health care who want to overturn it. There's an incredible number of uninformed people in this country.
You know what's awesome?
Recission.
Do you know what recission is without looking it up?
yes that is true but then there are the millions who just flipped the house... but of course you are so much smarter than all of us. Look we can debate this till hell freezes over but the people have spoken.
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:58:59pm |
re: #80 jamesfirecat
Israel has "socialized" health care the last time I checked...
actually, every industrialized democracy in the world has more 'socialized' health care than the united states
there is no less-socialized country for the u.s. to look to as a model
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:59:04pm |
re: #76 Alouette
The thing is make it impossible to get in quietly. That deters them, and gets you time to call for help, bail out, or hole up in a safe room or at least a safer room. Behind another locked door. With or without a gun. Guns require some training then practice. And they too can be stolen.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:59:21pm |
re: #80 jamesfirecat
Israel has "socialized" health care the last time I checked...
and a population of about 5 million...
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:59:37pm |
re: #72 brookly red
well of course I do... look around you, I am not the only one.
The thing I don't get is why you'd be happy about last Tuesday's elections. I mean cuz you're a lifelong Democrat, right?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:00:14pm |
re: #85 palomino
You don't get sarcasm unless there's a tag, huh? The joke is that the right conveniently sees HCR as socialism despite the fact they themselves came up with these ideas back in the 90s. And where were the right's cries of socialism when Mitt signed the same package into law in MA?
And way to put up straw men, where did I say anything about Venezuela?
But now that you've brought up Cuba, it's a shame that a country that backwards in most respects has both a higher literacy rate and a longer life expectancy than we do.
No! I was told AMERICA IS THE BEST AT EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE AMERICA AND WE'RE THE PRETTIEST
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PhillyPretzel Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:00:27pm |
re: #88 Rightwingconspirator
Also make sure you have a good cordless or cell Phone.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:00:31pm |
re: #86 brookly red
yes that is true but then there are the millions who just flipped the house... but of course you are so much smarter than all of us. Look we can debate this till hell freezes over but the people have spoken.
The people have spoken but what the f*** they mean is still up for debate.
Do they want healthcare reform taken away? Do they want fiscal government spending, do they want a So-Con agenda?
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:01:01pm |
re: #80 jamesfirecat
Israel has "socialized" health care the last time I checked...
So does virtually every other industrialized country in the world. Even Japan.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:01:03pm |
re: #89 brookly red
and a population of about 5 million...
So you admit it works fine for a small population?
In that case why can't we make it work for a bigger one?
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:01:23pm |
re: #83 Alouette
Zedushka was sneaking a cigarette in the garage with he heard something, thought it was raccoons in the garbage cans.
I am glad he did not confront the intruders, they could have beat him up with his own cane.
I guess my point is that the opportunities to actually confront criminals in your own home, when you are prepared for them, are rare. In most cases, you are either not aware that they are there or you are a distance from your weapon of choice.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:01:39pm |
re: #87 engineer dog
actually, every industrialized democracy in the world has more 'socialized' health care than the united states
there is no less-socialized country for the u.s. to look to as a model
Dubai?
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bratwurst Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:01:40pm |
re: #93 jamesfirecat
The people have spoken but what the f*** they mean is still up for debate.
Do they want healthcare reform taken away? Do they want fiscal government spending, do they want a So-Con agenda?
By the fact that Sharron Angle lost I hope we can at least draw the conclusion that the people of Nevada are not looking for "second amendment remedies"!
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:02:24pm |
re: #90 palomino
The thing I don't get is why you'd be happy about last Tuesday's elections. I mean cuz you're a lifelong Democrat, right?
right so I appreciate the will of the people being manifest
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:02:26pm |
re: #89 brookly red
and a population of about 5 million...
Damn, you got down-dinged for that comment. Tough crowd tonight.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:02:27pm |
It's been quite some time since I've eaten a turnip. They're actually quite delicious.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:02:48pm |
re: #98 bratwurst
By the fact that Sharron Angle lost I hope we can at least draw the conclusion that the people of Nevada are not looking for "second amendment remedies"!
///But she said that second amendment remedies were what you got when the people didn't vote Republican, so they clearly want them by virtue of not electing her at the ballot box!
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:03:26pm |
re: #88 Rightwingconspirator
The thing is make it impossible to get in quietly. That deters them, and gets you time to call for help, bail out, or hole up in a safe room or at least a safer room. Behind another locked door. With or without a gun. Guns require some training then practice. And they too can be stolen.
I don't want a gun, I just want a new TV.
I put my dough board in the window where the robbers gained access. That is a heavy board and the window don't open even if they break the lock.
I have a nice collection of ceramic pitchers on the other windowsill.
Oh, and the bathroom window, there's a crowbar in the frame.
Laundry room: jugs of bleach on the windowsill. Maybe I'll add a jug of ammonia, just to make it interesting. (that makes chlorene)
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:03:46pm |
re: #78 jamesfirecat
That "defense budget" or at least military apropreations bill currently has a repeal of DADT attached to it, so I wouldn't be counting on Republicans to pass it any time soon...
That'll get taken off. Ultimately it needs to pass and with the election over Reid has no further incentive to keep that attachment.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:03:55pm |
re: #95 jamesfirecat
So you admit it works fine for a small population?
In that case why can't we make it work for a bigger one?
Must be that american exceptionalism I keep hearing about.
"Sorry guys. We're the Republican party! All those advances other countries make? We're too stupid to make that work. I mean, we're really dumb and we reflect your own stupidity as well! Look at Michele Bachmann! I mean, she's barely able to write her own name! She's just like us!"
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:04:12pm |
re: #92 PhillyPretzel
Also make sure you have a good cordless or cell Phone.
Excellent point.
Cell phone and the extra keys you can give to cops through your bedroom window, that way they can clear your house without bashing in the door. Damn wireless phones get disconnected just by taking on off the hook. Or pulling the phone cable.
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:04:12pm |
re: #97 jamesfirecat
Dubai?
Dubai’s public health care is run by the Department of Health and Medical Services (DOHMS). It provides free or very low cost medical services for UAE residents
[Link: www.expatforum.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:04:16pm |
re: #94 palomino
So does virtually every other industrialized country in the world. Even Japan.
Who want's to be like every other country? I am proud of living in the greatest country in the world and there is a reason why most people want to come to America. We are the best.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:04:23pm |
re: #100 NJDhockeyfan
Damn, you got down-dinged for that comment. Tough crowd tonight.
lack of argument is lack of argument
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:04:42pm |
re: #95 jamesfirecat
So you admit it works fine for a small population?
In that case why can't we make it work for a bigger one?
well I don't know why it doesn't work, it seems good on paper... but then so did the Soviet Union... who knew?
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bratwurst Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:04:54pm |
re: #102 jamesfirecat
///But she said that second amendment remedies were what you got when the people didn't vote Republican, so they clearly want them by virtue of not electing her at the ballot box!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:05:06pm |
re: #61 brookly red
the straw man don't pay my bills... wanna try again?
Straw man don't pay my bills either, and the magical economy cure doesn't seem to have reached here yet.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:06:04pm |
re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist
Straw man don't pay my bills either, and the magical economy cure doesn't seem to have reached here yet.
Ain't no silver bullet. We gotta just grind it out.
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Ericus58 Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:06:10pm |
re: #9 Charles
In the solo he plays a string of uninterrupted 32nd notes for about 20 seconds, and it sounds like he's picking every one. It's pretty astounding.
I really enjoy good guitar work - thanks Charles.
Many of us wish we had just a small part of this skill...
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:06:11pm |
re: #100 NJDhockeyfan
Damn, you got down-dinged for that comment. Tough crowd tonight.
hey a million down dings does not change one house seat... the people have spoken
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:06:13pm |
re: #104 Dark_Falcon
That'll get taken off. Ultimately it needs to pass and with the election over Reid has no further incentive to keep that attachment.
F*** that.
I hope Obama Vetoes it then.
DADT repeal is something even your average republican is in favor of.
The sooner we get that stupid law off the books the better....
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Ron Paul Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:06:16pm |
re: #103 Alouette
How about using a fence charger? that should give you some warning.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:06:29pm |
re: #110 WindUpBird
lack of argument is lack of argument
Not worthy of a down-ding though. I usually only down-ding for trolls and assholes.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:06:29pm |
re: #111 brookly red
well I don't know why it doesn't work, it seems good on paper... but then so did the Soviet Union... who knew?
But it works in a nation of 5 million doesn't it?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:06:33pm |
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:06:53pm |
re: #109 NJDhockeyfan
We are the best.
except that we are rated dead last in overall healthcare for our children
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Ericus58 Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:07:08pm |
re: #16 PT Barnum
Evening all...It's another banner day. Starting to look for a new job tomorrow. Still have the old one, but not sure how long it's going to last at this point.
Best to you, good luck.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:07:10pm |
re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist
Straw man don't pay my bills either, and the magical economy cure doesn't seem to have reached here yet.
well talk to the people in power...
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:07:30pm |
re: #109 NJDhockeyfan
Who want's to be like every other country? I am proud of living in the greatest country in the world and there is a reason why most people want to come to America. We are the best.
If paying more per person while having an average shorter lifespan means we're "the greatest country in the world" than frankly China is welcome to that particular honor....
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:07:34pm |
re: #109 NJDhockeyfan
Who want's to be like every other country? I am proud of living in the greatest country in the world and there is a reason why most people want to come to America. We are the best.
The best what?
By what standards?
By whose standards?
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SteveC Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:07:39pm |
Aw, shit -
120 suspected cases of cholera in Haiti's capital
At least 114 of the people suspected of having the disease in the capital are in the Cite Soleil slum, the expansive oceanside shantytown at the capital's far northeastern edge and its closest point to the valley.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:08:06pm |
NHS bosses failed to tackle blunders that led to the deaths of up to 1,200 patients, a public inquiry heard yesterday.The accusation was made on the opening day of the full investigation into one of Britain's biggest health care scandals.
Mid-Staffordshire NHS Trust chiefs, doctors and nurses will have to explain why patients were often left starving and lying in their own filth without water or pain relief. But the inquiry was delayed when furious Will O'Neil, whose dad died in the trust's care, staged a protest.
He refused to move from a lawyer's chair after victims' families were excluded from the main hearing room at Stafford Council's HQ.
Julie Bailey, who founded campaign group Cure The NHS after losing her mother at Stafford hospital, said: "Will lost his dad in 2008 and hasn't got any answers as to what happened.
"He wasn't happy with arrangements and felt he was left out of the process." Appalling standards at the trust's Stafford and Cannock Chase hospitals led to the horrific death toll between 2005 and 2008.
Inquiry chairman Robert Francis QC said: "We are here because of the terrible service inflicted on so many patients and their families."
Leading counsel Tom Kark QC added: "The purpose is to focus on how it was allowed to go on so long."
Wonderful socialist health care in the UK!
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:08:07pm |
re: #122 engineer dog
except that we are rated dead last in overall healthcare for our children
report here:
[Link: www.unicef.org...]
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SteveC Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:08:45pm |
re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist
Straw man don't pay my bills either, and the magical economy cure doesn't seem to have reached here yet.
I put out fresh straw and a bowl of baked apples, but it hasn't popped up here, either.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:08:52pm |
re: #109 NJDhockeyfan
Who want's to be like every other country? I am proud of living in the greatest country in the world and there is a reason why most people want to come to America. We are the best.
People from even more messed up countries than us want to come here to improve their station, so that makes us the best? Huh?
So when I was driving a rusted out 78 corolla, and I ditched it for a 1989 Celebrity wagon that had 120,000 miles on it and no paint left on the hood, and I was overjoyed to do so because at least it had a 6 cylinder and it started every time I turned the key...
that means that's the best car on earth? :D
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:08:58pm |
re: #126 b_sharp
The best what?
By what standards?
By whose standards?
We are the best at being the fattest.
Awesome. 9_9
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:09:00pm |
re: #109 NJDhockeyfan
Who want's to be like every other country? I am proud of living in the greatest country in the world and there is a reason why most people want to come to America. We are the best.
I won't argue with that, but I would suggest that not having universal health care is not one of the REASONS we are the best.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:09:09pm |
re: #120 jamesfirecat
But it works in a nation of 5 million doesn't it?
maybe... but they all do "public service". I guess we could draft Doctors & Nurses... but I think some would object.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:09:21pm |
re: #101 Killgore Trout
It's been quite some time since I've eaten a turnip. They're actually quite delicious.
just threw up a little in my mouth
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:09:32pm |
re: #128 NJDhockeyfan
Wonderful socialist health care in the UK!
Do you have any similar complaints about Israel's socalized healthcare?
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Linden Arden Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:09:56pm |
This is too delicious to not pass on - Rand Paul has already betrayed the Teabaggers ----
In a bigger shift from his campaign pledge to end earmarks, he tells me that they are a bad “symbol” of easy spending but that he will fight for Kentucky’s share of earmarks and federal pork, as long as it’s doled out transparently at the committee level and not parachuted in in the dead of night. “I will advocate for Kentucky’s interests,” he says.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:10:01pm |
re: #103 Alouette
LOL. Innovative thinking. How about this-Those jugs are plastic right? Try some cheap glass for flowers or candles... anyway if they fall they break. Noisy and sharp. Sharp to step on. Heh. One way to get DNA.
Plus, if you get a earthquake, chlorine is not a consequence you want.
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researchok Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:10:12pm |
You think your job is tough?
After 45 years of 16-hour work days, an Israeli scholar has finally completed his life's work — a translation of the entire Talmud, one of Judaism's most important texts, to make it accessible to ordinary people.
Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz began his translation and commentary on the Talmud in 1965. This week he is publishing the last book of his 46-volume series.
Steinsaltz has written some 60 books on subjects like zoology and theology, but his translation of the Talmud from Aramaic to Hebrew, adding his own comments, marks his crowning achievement.The monumental work gives modern Jews a glimpse into the often obscure texts of the detailed rabbinical commentaries on biblical laws that obligate observant Jews.
In a radio interview Monday, Steinsaltz said his motto is: "Let my people know."
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:10:16pm |
re: #93 jamesfirecat
The people have spoken but what the f*** they mean is still up for debate.
Do they want healthcare reform taken away? Do they want fiscal government spending, do they want a So-Con agenda?
No, clearly they hate Obama and all his policies. It's a complete rejection of all government--the people want and end to social security, medicare, public schools and most of all interstate highways.
Actually one reason they voted how they did is that most Americans think Obama raised their taxes. Of course we know that the opposite is true, but the gop won the (phony) messaging wars in this cycle.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:10:47pm |
re: #119 NJDhockeyfan
Not worthy of a down-ding though. I usually only down-ding for trolls and assholes.
I downding full exchanges more so than individual posts, that's just how I do it!
If a train of thought is uninformed and makes no sense and is riddled with straw men and just outright falsehoods, then I downding the whole conversation.
If I'm doing it wrong, I'm sure the guy who runs the blog will tell me
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:10:47pm |
re: #128 NJDhockeyfan
Wonderful socialist health care in the UK!
People don't die of blunders in US hospitals?
How much in malpractice insurance do your doctors pay?
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Stanghazi Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:10:58pm |
re: #119 NJDhockeyfan
Not worthy of a down-ding though. I usually only down-ding for trolls and assholes.
heh
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:11:02pm |
re: #134 brookly red
maybe... but they all do "public service". I guess we could draft Doctors & Nurses... but I think some would object.
So in other words you'd argue that Israel's system of socalized healthcare only works because it's a lot like the one we have set up for verterans, except applied to the entire country (which makes a certain amount of sense for Israel given what they had/have to put up with...)?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:11:06pm |
re: #132 Varek Raith
We are the best at being the fattest.
Awesome. 9_9
We are GREAT at being fat. Hell yeah!
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:11:30pm |
re: #125 jamesfirecat
If paying more per person while having an average shorter lifespan means we're "the greatest country in the world" than frankly China is welcome to that particular honor...
Fuck China. All the poisonous dog food & lead coated toys for kids doesn't impress me at all. Never mind the human organs they sell from prisoners they kill.
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:11:54pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:12:12pm |
re: #140 palomino
No, clearly they hate Obama and all his policies. It's a complete rejection of all government--the people want and end to social security, medicare, public schools and most of all interstate highways.
Actually one reason they voted how they did is that most Americans think Obama raised their taxes. Of course we know that the opposite is true, but the gop won the (phony) messaging wars in this cycle.
THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:12:20pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:12:25pm |
re: #145 WindUpBird
We are GREAT at being fat. Hell yeah!
Except that we can't even win at competitive eating contests anymore, the Japanese have invented a smaller more efficient stomach....
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SteveC Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:12:25pm |
re: #137 Linden Arden
This is too delicious to not pass on - Rand Paul has already betrayed the Teabaggers ---
This is the big leagues, son. Everybody here is bigger, faster, and they were all superstars back home. Learn to play the game at this level or you'll be knocked on your ass.
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:12:37pm |
re: #99 brookly red
right so I appreciate the will of the people being manifest
So you must have been thrilled back in 2008, right? Not only did one of your own party get elected prez, but almost twice as many people "manifested their will."
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:12:45pm |
re: #131 WindUpBird
People from even more messed up countries than us want to come here to improve their station, so that makes us the best? Huh?
So when I was driving a rusted out 78 corolla, and I ditched it for a 1989 Celebrity wagon that had 120,000 miles on it and no paint left on the hood, and I was overjoyed to do so because at least it had a 6 cylinder and it started every time I turned the key...
that means that's the best car on earth? :D
What's stopping you from moving to what you think is a better country?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:12:52pm |
re: #150 jamesfirecat
Except that we can't even win at competitive eating contests anymore, the Japanese have invented a smaller more efficient stomach...
Actually, didn't we take that title back?
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:13:14pm |
re: #110 WindUpBird
lack of argument is lack of argument
the arguments have been argued & the people have spoken... as much as I dislike the source, I think the term butthurt applies here.
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:13:40pm |
re: #128 NJDhockeyfan
Wonderful socialist health care in the UK!
clearly it would be utterly impossible to find a similar story in every other country in the world, including the u.s.
//
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:14:48pm |
re: #144 jamesfirecat
So in other words you'd argue that Israel's system of socalized healthcare only works because it's a lot like the one we have set up for verterans, except applied to the entire country (which makes a certain amount of sense for Israel given what they had/have to put up with...)?
no I would say I don't have a f'n clue to their policies... I do how ever know that we just voted on ours.
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:14:59pm |
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bratwurst Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:15:11pm |
re: #153 NJDhockeyfan
What's stopping you from moving to what you think is a better country?
Coming up next: "If you love those other countries so much, why don't you marry them?"
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:15:11pm |
re: #156 engineer dog
clearly it would be utterly impossible to find a similar story in every other country in the world, including the u.s.
//
John Galt has always cured my pre-existing conditions!
/
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webevintage Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:15:11pm |
re: #142 b_sharp
People don't die of blunders in US hospitals?
But those are free market hospitals that kill people, not socialist hospitals run by the over-reaching liberty stealing government.
/
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:15:12pm |
re: #155 brookly red
the arguments have been argued & the people have spoken... as much as I dislike the source, I think the term butthurt applies here.
we get to speak every two years and the message seems to change quite a bit
stay tuned
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:15:19pm |
re: #156 engineer dog
clearly it would be utterly impossible to find a similar story in every other country in the world, including the u.s.
//
Then they are just sob stories meant to force socialism upon us.
/wingnut
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:15:52pm |
re: #91 WindUpBird
No! I was told AMERICA IS THE BEST AT EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE AMERICA AND WE'RE THE PRETTIEST
That could be the Sarah Palin spokesmodel credo.
Not to defend Palin, but now that the election is over, we're starting to hear the big boys in the gop distance themselves from her. They got what they needed from her, so now it's time to make sure their nightmare of a Palin-whoever ticket doesn't come to fruition.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:15:59pm |
re: #153 NJDhockeyfan
What's stopping you from moving to what you think is a better country?
The fact that I live in an awesome and vibrant and incredible city, that far far far makes up for the fact that the country as a whole is full of people throwing tantrums based on what they hear from mouthbreathers on talk radio.
Note that Portland does a lot differently than almost any other city in the US...which not coincidentally makes it a better place to live.
All politics is local, you see. And My local politicians are awesome. They're smart wonks with advanced degrees, some with three or four advanced degrees. They don't steer the country, but they steer my town, and my town rocks, so here I am!
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Ericus58 Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:16:16pm |
re: #92 PhillyPretzel
Also make sure you have a good cordless or cell Phone.
Cell Phone only, cordless is prone to being cut.
Always have a cell handy.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:16:18pm |
re: #152 palomino
So you must have been thrilled back in 2008, right? Not only did one of your own party get elected prez, but almost twice as many people "manifested their will."
yes, the people spoke... and now they have spoke again. nothing (mortal) is forever.
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SteveC Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:16:49pm |
Aw shit, part 2 -
Cholera case with no travel link
They have not traveled in over a year and have had no contact with anyone from the Artibonite region or St. Marc.
If that proves to be true, Cholera is in the local water supply.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:16:56pm |
re: #157 brookly red
no I would say I don't have a f'n clue to their policies... I do how ever know that we just voted on ours.
Yeah the problem though is that the people voted in a binary fashion when there are countless issues that are shades of grey.
Should we not look for more indepth meaning in the votes cast in the mid term election or should we just f***ing give Republicans whatever they want for managing to get a majority in the house?
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:17:16pm |
re: #101 Killgore Trout
It's been quite some time since I've eaten a turnip. They're actually quite delicious.
Agreed. Parsnips and celery root are even better, if you're a root vegetable kind of guy like me (I prefer the non-green veggies).
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:17:34pm |
re: #117 jamesfirecat
F*** that.
I hope Obama Vetoes it then.
DADT repeal is something even your average republican is in favor of.
The sooner we get that stupid law off the books the better...
He won't. That was just a stunt. Ultimately, the appropriations will pass, without the repeal.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:17:38pm |
re: #159 bratwurst
Coming up next: "If you love those other countries so much, why don't you marry them?"
Basically, I don't need to move to another country to live in a place that reflects my values. Portland reflects my values.
I would DEFINITELY choose to move to another country before I'd live in a lot of the US.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:17:56pm |
re: #167 brookly red
yes, the people spoke... and now they have spoke again. nothing (mortal) is forever.
And the GOP is making the same mistake they did in 1994.
Assuming the country gave them a mandate.
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:18:40pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:18:47pm |
re: #173 Varek Raith
And the GOP is making the same mistake they did in 1994.
Assuming the country gave them a mandate.
ad they'll use that mandate to throw a fit because they were made to sit in the back of Air Force One, hah
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:19:00pm |
re: #164 palomino
That could be the Sarah Palin spokesmodel credo.
Not to defend Palin, but now that the election is over, we're starting to hear the big boys in the gop distance themselves from her. They got what they needed from her, so now it's time to make sure their nightmare of a Palin-whoever ticket doesn't come to fruition.
Use her and lose her, the brutes.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:19:07pm |
I don't know how to do this.
I am NOT going to break.
It can be done.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:19:27pm |
re: #173 Varek Raith
And the GOP is making the same mistake they did in 1994.
Assuming the country gave them a mandate.
there is truth to that, there is no mandate only a desperate cry for help...
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:19:40pm |
re: #169 jamesfirecat
Yeah the problem though is that the people voted in a binary fashion
XOR is the only logical operator allowed in voting
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:19:46pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
He won't. That was just a stunt. Ultimately, the appropriations will pass, without the repeal.
And if it does I will be wagging my finger at Obama for being a bad liberal and shouting my head off at the Republicans for being jackasses.
Dark, please do not call our attempts to allow people of homosexual orientation who love their country enough to want to live and die defending it either at home or abroad just "a stunt".
Nancy Pelosi was not riding a motorcycle through a flaming ring for votes, she was trying to secure a basic human right for people who have been denied it for far too long....
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:19:50pm |
re: #109 NJDhockeyfan
Who want's to be like every other country? I am proud of living in the greatest country in the world and there is a reason why most people want to come to America. We are the best.
First off, where else have you lived?
Second, I don't want us to be like every other country. I want us to have statistically superior quality of life indicators compared to places as fucked up as Cuba. Is that un-American to ask?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:19:51pm |
re: #164 palomino
That could be the Sarah Palin spokesmodel credo.
Not to defend Palin, but now that the election is over, we're starting to hear the big boys in the gop distance themselves from her. They got what they needed from her, so now it's time to make sure their nightmare of a Palin-whoever ticket doesn't come to fruition.
Oh yeah, they do not want that, I guess the new thing is they're blaming her for getting her hands all over senate races and losing the GOp the senate
which you know, they have a point!
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:20:24pm |
re: #177 Floral Giraffe
I don't know how to do this.
I am NOT going to break.
It can be done.
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:20:52pm |
re: #181 palomino
First off, where else have you lived?
Second, I don't want us to be like every other country. I want us to have statistically superior quality of life indicators compared to places as fucked up as Cuba. Is that un-American to ask?
Acknowledging shortcomings is Unamerican!
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:20:55pm |
re: #169 jamesfirecat
Yeah the problem though is that the people voted in a binary fashion when there are countless issues that are shades of grey.
Should we not look for more indepth meaning in the votes cast in the mid term election or should we just f***ing give Republicans whatever they want for managing to get a majority in the house?
gawd your so smart... it is done, deal with it.
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:21:19pm |
re: #178 brookly red
there is truth to that, there is no mandate only a desperate cry for help...
i'm amused that so many people say they want to be saved from the banning of the right of insurance companies to refuse to insure them
they desperately want to be allowed to be refused any insurance, it seems
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Mich-again Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:21:30pm |
Cool song. I liked it. The sound and style of the guitar work reminds me of Eddie Van Halen on the Fair Warning CD, which is my favorite one from VH. Then again, he sounds a bit like Al Di Meola at times too.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:21:52pm |
re: #186 engineer dog
i'm amused that so many people say they want to be saved from the banning of the right of insurance companies to refuse to insure them
they desperately want to be allowed to be refused any insurance, it seems
hahaha yes
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:22:23pm |
re: #186 engineer dog
i'm amused that so many people say they want to be saved from the banning of the right of insurance companies to refuse to insure them
they desperately want to be allowed to be refused any insurance, it seems
hey it is what it is, the people have spoken.
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SteveC Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:22:31pm |
re: #180 jamesfirecat
Nancy Pelosi was not riding a motorcycle through a flaming ring for votes, she was trying to secure a basic human right for people who have been denied it for far too long...
Is there any chance she would do that? And would it be on TV?
//Hell, I'll even spring for Pay-Per-View!
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:22:47pm |
re: #183 Varek Raith
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
One of my favs.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:23:24pm |
re: #185 brookly red
gawd your so smart... it is done, deal with it.
I will be dealing with it, and currently am.
Part of my way of dealing with it is to try and read the tea leaves of what this event meant.
Or do you have some kind of direct psychic hot line to the will of the American majority nation wide that can tell me exactly what the 2010 election meant?
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:23:57pm |
re: #189 brookly red
hey it is what it is, the people have spoken.
Not very loudly, as the Dems still control the Senate.
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:23:58pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:23:58pm |
re: #177 Floral Giraffe
I don't know how to do this.
I am NOT going to break.
It can be done.
What's wrong?
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:24:11pm |
re: #189 brookly red
hey it is what it is, the people have spoken.
i thought they said "more cowbell!"
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:24:34pm |
re: #192 jamesfirecat
I will be dealing with it, and currently am.
Part of my way of dealing with it is to try and read the tea leaves of what this event meant.
Or do you have some kind of direct psychic hot line to the will of the American majority nation wide that can tell me exactly what the 2010 election meant?
it meant that we didn't like the status quo...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:24:38pm |
re: #189 brookly red
hey it is what it is, the people have spoken.
re: #155 brookly red
the arguments have been argued & the people have spoken... as much as I dislike the source, I think the term butthurt applies here.
re: #116 brookly red
hey a million down dings does not change one house seat... the people have spoken
re: #86 brookly red
yes that is true but then there are the millions who just flipped the house... but of course you are so much smarter than all of us. Look we can debate this till hell freezes over but the people have spoken.
You know what I love most about you dude, is you really keep switching it up on us, I just don't know what you're going to say next
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:24:45pm |
re: #153 NJDhockeyfan
What's stopping you from moving to what you think is a better country?
Really? You're gonna take the "America, love it or leave it" route? Are you a Toby Keith fan?
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TedStriker Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:25:06pm |
re: #137 Linden Arden
This is too delicious to not pass on - Rand Paul has already betrayed the Teabaggers ---
TPers to Rand Paul: "But..but...YOU'VE CHANGED!!!11ty"
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:25:26pm |
Is anybody else suffering from the "cold in the eye and look like a zombie" virus? Everyone in KC is.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:25:42pm |
re: #199 palomino
Really? You're gonna take the "America, love it or leave it" route? Are you a Toby Keith fan?
AMERICA IS THE BEST AND CAN NOT BE IMPROVED FURTHER.
ALL ATTEMPTS TO DO SO WILL BE MET WITH IRRATIONAL HOSTILITY.
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:25:46pm |
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:25:58pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:26:04pm |
re: #197 brookly red
it meant that we didn't like the status quo...
Maybe that was because the Status Quo wasn't liberal enough....
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:26:12pm |
re: #199 palomino
Really? You're gonna take the "America, love it or leave it" route? Are you a Toby Keith fan?
hahahaha did you know he has a restaurant in Vegas? it looked like a Fox News set, it was like all massive LCD screens and red white and blue chrome and neon, it was magnificent in its tastelessness, it was almost fine art
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:26:38pm |
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:26:42pm |
re: #181 palomino
First off, where else have you lived?
Second, I don't want us to be like every other country. I want us to have statistically superior quality of life indicators compared to places as fucked up as Cuba. Is that un-American to ask?
The irony is that then these same American institutions that are behind those memes will then move their manufacturing to countries like Cuba.
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:26:50pm |
re: #153 NJDhockeyfan
What's stopping you from moving to what you think is a better country?
is this a perfect country which couldn't possible be improved?
isn't the republican party also full of schemes that they want to try out to change and improve the united states?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:26:58pm |
re: #180 jamesfirecat
And if it does I will be wagging my finger at Obama for being a bad liberal and shouting my head off at the Republicans for being jackasses.
Dark, please do not call our attempts to allow people of homosexual orientation who love their country enough to want to live and die defending it either at home or abroad just "a stunt".
Nancy Pelosi was not riding a motorcycle through a flaming ring for votes, she was trying to secure a basic human right for people who have been denied it for far too long...
People do not have a "basic human right" to join the Army. And I'm not entirely opposed to repeal, but holding need appropriations hostage is not the way. And I do need that bill to pass, but I won't advocate the GOP simply folding. I propose that the DREAM act remain attached and DADT be taken up separately.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:28:04pm |
This track is awesome! I just got round to listening to it.
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bratwurst Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:28:11pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:28:15pm |
Many countries allow homosexuals to serve openly.
Guess what?
Nothing bad happened.
The GOP needs to deal with this fact.
As does the DoD.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:28:45pm |
re: #209 engineer dog
is this a perfect country which couldn't possible be improved?
isn't the republican party also full of schemes that they want to try out to change and improve the united states?
I wonder if my link to a liberal government socialist streetcar in Portland stunned him into silence
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:28:47pm |
New page up:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:28:47pm |
you know I feel so important... I can make a whole on-line community jump jiggy just by saying a simple truth, the people have spoken. Why is that such an issue?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:29:05pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:29:18pm |
re: #213 Varek Raith
Many countries allow homosexuals to serve openly.
Guess what?
Nothing bad happened.
The GOP needs to deal with this fact.
As does the DoD.
Then again, we all know why the military is so reluctant.
They are overtly religious.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:29:41pm |
re: #205 jamesfirecat
Maybe that was because the Status Quo wasn't liberal enough...
then perhaps less republicans would have been elected?
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:29:45pm |
re: #213 Varek Raith
Many countries allow homosexuals to serve openly.
Guess what?
Nothing bad happened.
The GOP needs to deal with this fact.
As does the DoD.
First step would be for the GOP to acknowledge the homosexuals within their ranks -- and there are many. Until then, I see a long road ahead.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:30:46pm |
re: #210 Dark_Falcon
People do not have a "basic human right" to join the Army. And I'm not entirely opposed to repeal, but holding need appropriations hostage is not the way. And I do need that bill to pass, but I won't advocate the GOP simply folding. I propose that the DREAM act remain attached and DADT be taken up separately.
“all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—
all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:31:18pm |
re: #220 Gus 802
First step would be for the GOP to acknowledge the homosexuals within their ranks -- and there are many. Until then, I see a long road ahead.
Their base won't like that!
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:31:34pm |
re: #219 brookly red
then perhaps less republicans would have been elected?
It's far simpler than that.
The people are pissed at the Ds.
They elected the Rs.
Simple.
Of course, it's also stupid.
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SteveC Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:31:42pm |
re: #214 WindUpBird
I wonder if my link to a liberal government socialist streetcar in Portland stunned him into silence
If it didn't, Oregon's new basketball court sure will!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:31:44pm |
re: #216 brookly red
you know I feel so important... I can make a whole on-line community jump jiggy just by saying a simple truth, the people have spoken. Why is that such an issue?
Another ball!
High score!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:31:57pm |
re: #210 Dark_Falcon
People do not have a "basic human right" to join the Army. And I'm not entirely opposed to repeal, but holding need appropriations hostage is not the way. And I do need that bill to pass, but I won't advocate the GOP simply folding. I propose that the DREAM act remain attached and DADT be taken up separately.
Why are you slightly opposed to repeal Dark?
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:32:13pm |
re: #222 WindUpBird
Their base won't like that!
They're in denial too since the right wing Christian community is also filled with scores of gay men. Unfortunately for them many are closeted.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:32:22pm |
re: #221 WindUpBird
all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,all Men are created equal,
I strongly support your right to serve... please let me know when you apply.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:32:43pm |
re: #224 SteveC
If it didn't, Oregon's new basketball court sure will!
That is the most stoner-approved basketball court I've ever seen
WE'RE LIKE UPSIDE DOWN
IN THE WOODS
PLAYING HOOPS
IT'S LIKE WE'RE FLYING THROUGH THE ASTRAL FOREST OF SPACETIME
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:32:55pm |
re: #228 brookly red
I strongly support your right to serve... please let me know when you apply.
lol
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:33:08pm |
re: #216 brookly red
you know I feel so important... I can make a whole on-line community jump jiggy just by saying a simple truth, the people have spoken. Why is that such an issue?
The fact that 'the people have spoken' isn't the problem. Actually there isn't a problem, it's just that your repetition is a bit amusing.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:33:30pm |
re: #219 brookly red
then perhaps less republicans would have been elected?
The idea is that when Liberals think we aren't being represented by the people in power we get depressed and stay stay home and don't bother to vote, which leads to the conservative base showing up to vote and taking over.
Why do you think that Democrats lead Republicans in just about every poll except those among "Likely voters"?
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:33:31pm |
You'll never get rich, you son of a bitch, you're in the Army now!
/
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:33:39pm |
re: #226 jamesfirecat
Why are you slightly opposed to repeal Dark?
basically, he's okay with it as long as nobody ever fights for it
We're being uppity!
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SteveC Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:34:01pm |
re: #229 WindUpBird
That is the most stoner-approved basketball court I've ever seen
WE'RE LIKE UPSIDE DOWN
IN THE WOODS
PLAYING HOOPS
IT'S LIKE WE'RE FLYING THROUGH THE ASTRAL FOREST OF SPACETIME
I'm too dizzy to shoot....
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:34:06pm |
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:34:47pm |
re: #180 jamesfirecat
And if it does I will be wagging my finger at Obama for being a bad liberal and shouting my head off at the Republicans for being jackasses.
Dark, please do not call our attempts to allow people of homosexual orientation who love their country enough to want to live and die defending it either at home or abroad just "a stunt".
Nancy Pelosi was not riding a motorcycle through a flaming ring for votes, she was trying to secure a basic human right for people who have been denied it for far too long...
How dare you call health care a basic human right? Only the Europeans, Canadians, Japanese and South Koreans believe such nonsense. Why would we want to be lumped in with such losers?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:34:50pm |
re: #237 brookly red
awww come on you would like the uniforms, and you would Lovvve the boots.
actually, army boots are a great deal, friend of mine in a band scored some pre-broken in for almost nothing from a surplus store
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:35:56pm |
re: #193 prairiefire
Not very loudly, as the Dems still control the Senate.
In a reasonable, albeit slightly tea-ed up voice.
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:36:16pm |
re: #235 WindUpBird
basically, he's okay with it as long as nobody ever fights for it
We're being uppity!
I think it has something to do with the pocketbook.
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:37:35pm |
re: #206 WindUpBird
hahahaha did you know he has a restaurant in Vegas? it looked like a Fox News set, it was like all massive LCD screens and red white and blue chrome and neon, it was magnificent in its tastelessness, it was almost fine art
That's tacky even for Vegas. And who needs fine art when you've got lots of bright shiny objects?
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:37:38pm |
re: #239 WindUpBird
actually, army boots are a great deal, friend of mine in a band scored some pre-broken in for almost nothing from a surplus store
Pre-broken in, and he didn't have to pay extra? Righteous.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:37:48pm |
re: #239 WindUpBird
actually, army boots are a great deal, friend of mine in a band scored some pre-broken in for almost nothing from a surplus store
but seriously you want to serve right? I mean deep in your heart you want to defend your country right? Your indignation comes from your desire to serve, dose it not?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:38:15pm |
re: #238 palomino
How dare you call health care a basic human right? Only the Europeans, Canadians, Japanese and South Koreans believe such nonsense. Why would we want to be lumped in with such losers?
We were talking about DADT not the healthcare actually... so the write to take up arms and be respected for serving in defense of ones country is the right in question....
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:38:48pm |
re: #216 brookly red
you know I feel so important... I can make a whole on-line community jump jiggy just by saying a simple truth, the people have spoken. Why is that such an issue?
it's all in the context.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:38:57pm |
re: #216 brookly red
you know I feel so important... I can make a whole on-line community jump jiggy just by saying a simple truth, the people have spoken. Why is that such an issue?
Not at all jiggy.
Wondering how many downdings such a statement would have gotten a person election night before this last--same Batcave, different Bataudience.
But hardly jiggy.
Everyone went to the ballots...again. It's always kind of fun.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:39:12pm |
re: #232 jamesfirecat
The idea is that when Liberals think we aren't being represented by the people in power we get depressed and stay stay home and don't bother to vote, which leads to the conservative base showing up to vote and taking over.
Why do you think that Democrats lead Republicans in just about every poll except those among "Likely voters"?
I don't care why it happened... it happened.
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:39:16pm |
re: #244 brookly red
but seriously you want to serve right? I mean deep in your heart you want to defend your country right? Your indignation comes from your desire to serve, dose it not?
Don't be an ass Brookly, you know bloody well his indignation comes from gays being treated like crap.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:39:28pm |
You can tell a lot about a town by the way it values reading
So yeah, sorry NJD, I'm here to stay. This country can go 99% red and I'll be here in the 1%, drinking my locally brewed organic heavy ale and checking out my locally grown death metal bands and riding around on my socialist MAX train :D
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:39:51pm |
re: #244 brookly red
but seriously you want to serve right? I mean deep in your heart you want to defend your country right? Your indignation comes from your desire to serve, dose it not?
It doesn't have to.
I'm a catnip smoking Liberal.
I don't have to do marijauna or want to in order to realize that it is less dangerous than other non illegal substances, so clearly if we are not hypocrites it should be legalized.
I don't have to be gay or want to serve to know that we are doing something wrong if we bar gays who want to serve from the army just because of their homosexuality...
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:39:53pm |
"What's all this demand for good wages and health care? That's damn socialism. Why that's damn socialism. You should move to Cuba or China. Now, about that manufacturing facility we're moving to China..."
//
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:40:12pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:40:37pm |
re: #248 brookly red
I don't care why it happened... it happened.
Those who don't learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:40:49pm |
re: #244 brookly red
but seriously you want to serve right? I mean deep in your heart you want to defend your country right? Your indignation comes from your desire to serve, dose it not?
obvious troll is obvious
I know you don't care that queers get kicked out of the military, their careers ruined their pensions taken away
But some of us, we sorta believe that whole...whadayacall it, constitution thing! I know that makes me a commie!
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:40:53pm |
re: #252 Gus 802
"What's all this demand for good wages and health care? That's damn socialism. Why that's damn socialism. You should move to Cuba or China. Now, about that manufacturing facility we're moving to China..."
//
It's the tax code's fault that we have to avoid our taxes!
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:41:28pm |
re: #251 jamesfirecat
It doesn't have to.
I'm a catnip smoking Liberal.
I don't have to do marijauna or want to in order to realize that it is less dangerous than other non illegal substances, so clearly if we are not hypocrites it should be legalized.
I don't have to be gay or want to serve to know that we are doing something wrong if we bar gays who want to serve from the army just because of their homosexuality...
huhhhh, it always comes down to pot with you...
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:42:15pm |
re: #257 brookly red
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:42:16pm |
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:42:23pm |
re: #255 WindUpBird
obvious troll is obvious
I know you don't care that queers get kicked out of the military, their careers ruined their pensions taken away
But some of us, we sorta believe that whole...whadayacall it, constitution thing! I know that makes me a commie!
so your signing up tomorrow?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:42:48pm |
re: #257 brookly red
huhhh, it always comes down to pot with you...
You say that like there's something wrong with it.
Would you like me to try and find a way to compare DADT to abortion instead?
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:43:02pm |
re: #256 Varek Raith
It's the tax code's fault that we have to avoid our taxes!
Right. Those pricks will keep 1000 execs and management in the USA and then have 40,000 employees in 3rd world countries and call themselves an "American company."
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:43:12pm |
re: #257 brookly red
huhhh, it always comes down to pot with you...
Of course, the people have spoken.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:43:25pm |
re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist
Not at all jiggy.
Wondering how many downdings such a statement would have gotten a person election night before this last--same Batcave, different Bataudience.
But hardly jiggy.
Everyone went to the ballots...again. It's always kind of fun.
My peeps in oregon won! I'm actually feeling pretty okay about it. National elections were sort of crap, but Kitshaber is back in the seat. If a state and a county and a district are reflected by its leaders, I'm proud of mine.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:43:27pm |
re: #244 brookly red
but seriously you want to serve right? I mean deep in your heart you want to defend your country right? Your indignation comes from your desire to serve, dose it not?
My indignation comes from knowing a woman who writes:
I served proudly, and out. Those were some of the best years of my life. I am saddened by the fact that not only can I not marry, I can no longer serve my country, if I should chose to again. Very sad...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:43:48pm |
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:44:38pm |
re: #260 brookly red
so your signing up tomorrow?
What's your point? That's like saying you can't talk about abortion unless you want to get pregnant tomorrow. Or something.
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A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:44:58pm |
I'm going to bugger off, this thread smells like ass.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:45:13pm |
re: #267 Gus 802
What's your point? That's like saying you can't talk about abortion unless you want to get pregnant tomorrow. Or something.
Or you can't have a war unless you have served...
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:45:15pm |
re: #263 b_sharp
Of course, the people have spoken.
well lets hope they can remember it tomorrow, dude.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:45:19pm |
re: #257 brookly red
huhhh, it always comes down to pot with you...
Law of averages. It never comes down to pot with me.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:45:43pm |
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:46:26pm |
re: #261 jamesfirecat
You say that like there's something wrong with it.
Would you like me to try and find a way to compare DADT to abortion instead?
well yes that would be interesting... go for it.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:46:40pm |
re: #260 brookly red
so your signing up tomorrow?
Would you say the same thing to a Black man who argued that people of African decent should be allowed to serve in the US army during the civil war?
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:46:45pm |
re: #260 brookly red
so your signing up tomorrow?
you mean like Cheney and Limbaugh? you're actually holding a commenter at LGF to a higher standard than them? just surreal.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:46:45pm |
re: #267 Gus 802
What's your point? That's like saying you can't talk about abortion unless you want to get pregnant tomorrow. Or something.
His point is massive deflection.
From what?
Beats the hell out of me.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:47:18pm |
re: #271 SanFranciscoZionist
Law of averages. It never comes down to pot with me.
well your not a pot head... how is that law of averages?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:47:28pm |
re: #271 SanFranciscoZionist
Law of averages. It never comes down to pot with me.
I'm way more interested in the fact that there's people in prison for pot, than I am about the legalization thereof. if I had to choose between letting all the non-violent pot offenders out of jail and legalizing, I'd start with the former.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:48:08pm |
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:48:10pm |
re: #274 jamesfirecat
Would you say the same thing to a Black man who argued that people of African decent should be allowed to serve in the US army during the civil war?
the drugs have taken their toll...
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:48:22pm |
re: #273 brookly red
well yes that would be interesting... go for it.
How about you address my point first, that it is possible for someone to stand up for Person A's right to do action X while having no interest in doing action X yourself.
You know the entire "I don't agree with what you're doing, but I'll fight to the death for your right to do it!" Deal....
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:48:41pm |
re: #277 brookly red
well your not a pot head... how is that law of averages?
Some are, some ain't. We all have our interests.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:48:55pm |
re: #267 Gus 802
What's your point? That's like saying you can't talk about abortion unless you want to get pregnant tomorrow. Or something.
are you stoned too?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:49:04pm |
re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist
Some are, some ain't. We all have our interests.
Health care is my #1, above gay rights, actually
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:49:16pm |
re: #280 brookly red
the drugs have taken their toll...
Care to explain why my analogy is not an apt one?
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:49:47pm |
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:50:51pm |
re: #283 brookly red
are you stoned too?
I have no idea what you're talking about. Actually, I wish I was stoned -- it's been a long time.
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sizzleRI Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:51:00pm |
re: #260 brookly red
I know I am new and you have no reason to believe me, but you are asking so I will respond. I am a second year law student who would love to serve as a JAG officer. I have other gay friends who will receive they're commission when they graduate, but I cannot lie about myself, and its not so easy as just not "telling". I would have to deny my girlfriend, hopefully one day my wife.
My stepfather, a former army officer, sends me emails all the time linking to various JAG internships. He always begins the missives by promising me that this "fucking stupid" law will be gone any day. We are out here, and we do want to serve.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:51:53pm |
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:52:00pm |
re: #285 jamesfirecat
Care to explain why my analogy is not an apt one?
well we could start with the fact that (openly) black men were allowed to serve... but do I have to?
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:52:09pm |
re: #286 Varek Raith
Yep, you're just trolling.
What I'd like to know is why?
Why are you acting like this, brookly?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:52:11pm |
re: #288 sizzleRI
I know I am new and you have no reason to believe me, but you are asking so I will respond. I am a second year law student who would love to serve as a JAG officer. I have other gay friends who will receive they're commission when they graduate, but I cannot lie about myself, and its not so easy as just not "telling". I would have to deny my girlfriend, hopefully one day my wife.
My stepfather, a former army officer, sends me emails all the time linking to various JAG internships. He always begins the missives by promising me that this "fucking stupid" law will be gone any day. We are out here, and we do want to serve.
Cheers :) Hope it happens soon
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:52:43pm |
re: #289 prairiefire
Trollin' and rollin'.
Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'
Keep those doggies trollin'
Rawhide!
/
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:53:01pm |
re: #286 Varek Raith
Yep, you're just trolling.
I am literally looking at what kind of striped stockings to buy in another window, let me know when he stops repeating himself :D
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:53:21pm |
re: #288 sizzleRI
I know I am new and you have no reason to believe me, but you are asking so I will respond. I am a second year law student who would love to serve as a JAG officer. I have other gay friends who will receive they're commission when they graduate, but I cannot lie about myself, and its not so easy as just not "telling". I would have to deny my girlfriend, hopefully one day my wife.
My stepfather, a former army officer, sends me emails all the time linking to various JAG internships. He always begins the missives by promising me that this "fucking stupid" law will be gone any day. We are out here, and we do want to serve.
The ranks of republicans like me who think this is one fucking stupid law are growing. And i'm both sorry and ashamed that it was ever passed in the first place, for what that's worth from some random interwebz guy who you don't know from Jack...
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bratwurst Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:53:30pm |
re: #295 WindUpBird
I am literally looking at what kind of striped stockings to buy in another window, let me know when he stops repeating himself :D
Take your time.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:54:06pm |
re: #226 jamesfirecat
Why are you slightly opposed to repeal Dark?
Because I think it will be badly received by the troops. Right now the Army is predominately rural, and the South is also over-represented. I worry that gayness being introduced will cause troops we need to leave and hurt our recruiting numbers. We need effective soldiers and right now they mostly come from socially conservative places.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:54:09pm |
re: #291 Varek Raith
What I'd like to know is why?
Why are you acting like this, brookly?
acting like what ? not marching in lock step? what are you talking about? because I have a different opinion? does that frighten you or something?
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Mich-again Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:54:13pm |
Conan's new show debuts tonight. I have waited since he left NBC for this day. W00t! The king is back.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:54:28pm |
re: #290 brookly red
well we could start with the fact that (openly) black men were allowed to serve... but do I have to?
Yeah they were allowed to serve eventually but not at the start of the war...."
Besides at the moment your point seems to be that if you aren't in favor of actually doing something you can't support other peoples right to do it.
Is that REALLY what your arguing and if not could you clarify what your point is?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:54:30pm |
re: #297 bratwurst
Take your time.
Dammit! These are out of stock! They look like a malfunctioning Atari
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:55:28pm |
re: #291 Varek Raith
What I'd like to know is why?
Why are you acting like this, brookly?
I don't care why it happened... it happened.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:55:30pm |
re: #295 WindUpBird
I am literally looking at what kind of striped stockings to buy in another window, let me know when he stops repeating himself :D
updinged because i can't think of anyone else who could toss that sentence out and i'd nod my head without skipping a beat..."yep, WUB buying stockings, i'm watching football, all is right in the world"
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:55:38pm |
re: #294 Gus 802
Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'
Keep those doggies trollin'
Rawhide!/
and uhh what exactly do you mean by trolling? do you mean disagreeing with you?
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:56:18pm |
re: #295 WindUpBird
I heart striped stockings. Very Goth.
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:56:23pm |
re: #305 brookly red
and uhh what exactly do you mean by trolling? do you mean disagreeing with you?
Would you guess I was playing along with Prairiefire's comment? Probably not.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:56:29pm |
re: #305 brookly red
and uhh what exactly do you mean by trolling? do you mean disagreeing with you?
You are trolling by not addressing other's points.
Instead you throw out, "are you stoned" bullshit.
Hence, trolling.
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bratwurst Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:56:43pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
I worry that gayness being introduced will cause troops we need to leave and hurt our recruiting numbers.
I don't know how to break this to you...you might want to sit down...the fact is...and I know this will come as a shock...there is plenty of REAL LIVE GAYNESS in the military RIGHT NOW. As you read this, actual military personal are having GAY SEX. All we are introducing is honesty.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:56:57pm |
re: #301 jamesfirecat
Yeah they were allowed to serve eventually but not at the start of the war..."
Besides at the moment your point seems to be that if you aren't in favor of actually doing something you can't support other peoples right to do it.
Is that REALLY what your arguing and if not could you clarify what your point is?
my point is if you wallow in trivia eventually you will find a peanut... wft are you talking about?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:56:59pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Because I think it will be badly received by the troops. Right now the Army is predominately rural, and the South is also over-represented. I worry that gayness being introduced will cause troops we need to leave and hurt our recruiting numbers. We need effective soldiers and right now they mostly come from socially conservative places.
F*** them.
I think that we should shit can those sorry homophobic sons of bitches the moment they raise their voice.
I would honestly rather have Blackwater goons who are in it for the money serving us than people who can't abide serving alongside people who are motivated by pride, honor and love for ones country if they happen to like people of the same gender.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:57:18pm |
re: #303 jamesfirecat
I don't care why it happened... it happened.
I think he's been pretty subdued, actually. Unless I missed a burst of euphoria last Wed.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:57:38pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:58:28pm |
re: #310 brookly red
my point is if you wallow in trivia eventually you will find a peanut... wft are you talking about?
My point is that DADT is a horrible thing and should be done away with. Don't you agree?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:58:44pm |
re: #304 Aceofwhat?
updinged because i can't think of anyone else who could toss that sentence out and i'd nod my head without skipping a beat..."yep, WUB buying stockings, i'm watching football, all is right in the world"
I'm adding to the rich pageant!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:59:25pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Because I think it will be badly received by the troops. Right now the Army is predominately rural, and the South is also over-represented. I worry that gayness being introduced will cause troops we need to leave and hurt our recruiting numbers. We need effective soldiers and right now they mostly come from socially conservative places.
Aren't guys in the military supposed to be disciplined?
I thought that was how it worked, you like, follow orders and stuff
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sizzleRI Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:59:38pm |
re: #296 Aceofwhat?
Hey, I know there are many republicans like you out there, some of my gay friends that will serve/currently serve are republicans! And I'm not a Clinton apologist. I do think that at the time, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" seemed like the right compromise. It wasn't. But 1993 was a long time ago, in gay rights' years at least.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:59:46pm |
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brookly red Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:59:50pm |
Wow... how many of you does it take to make one point?
I am going to go now and let you guys ponder the universe...
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:00:02pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Because I think it will be badly received by the troops. Right now the Army is predominately rural, and the South is also over-represented. I worry that gayness being introduced will cause troops we need to leave and hurt our recruiting numbers. We need effective soldiers and right now they mostly come from socially conservative places.
By the way Dark nothing personal, but would I be wrong to say the following might have been said Circa 1940 or so....
"Because I think it will be badly received by the troops. Right now the Army is predominately rural, and the South is also over-represented. I worry that gayness blacks being introduced will cause troops we need to leave and hurt our recruiting numbers. We need effective soldiers and right now they mostly come from socially conservative places."
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:00:14pm |
re: #302 WindUpBird
Dammit! These are out of stock! They look like a malfunctioning Atari
the Psuper Psili aren't too bad...but some of these look good from far away and then you get close and it's too dorky...i'm looking at you, poker-themed stripes. really...we couldn't design anything a little more metal than a freaking card deck?
look, see, now you've got me looking too...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:01:04pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:02:07pm |
re: #311 jamesfirecat
F*** them.
Sorry, I had to down-ding you for that comment toward out troops. That is disgusting.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:02:23pm |
re: #322 Aceofwhat?
the Psuper Psili aren't too bad...but some of these look good from far away and then you get close and it's too dorky...i'm looking at you, poker-themed stripes. really...we couldn't design anything a little more metal than a freaking card deck?
look, see, now you've got me looking too...
Oh Sock Dreams is crazy addictive, it's genius, and even if you just want "normal" socks they have the most comfortable normal socks ever
And yeah, i like stripes. :D Not into the goofy novelty prints!
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:02:30pm |
re: #323 WindUpBird
in deep space blue or something similar, maybe. the bright ones don't shimmer as well, at least on print.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:02:48pm |
re: #324 NJDhockeyfan
Sorry, I had to down-ding you for that comment toward out troops. That is disgusting.
So is denying the rights of gays to serve.
Actually, it's far worse.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:03:55pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Because I think it will be badly received by the troops. Right now the Army is predominately rural, and the South is also over-represented. I worry that gayness being introduced will cause troops we need to leave and hurt our recruiting numbers. We need effective soldiers and right now they mostly come from socially conservative places.
meh. i think it's way past due. accepting this will be the easiest thing their drill sergeant asks them to do in four years...if this is the hardest part of being a soldier, we've accidentally become France//
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:04:00pm |
re: #324 NJDhockeyfan
Sorry, I had to down-ding you for that comment toward out troops. That is disgusting.
My comment was aimed at the homophobes who can't even bring themselves to stomach the idea of having gay people serve alongside them and would rather quit than serve alongside them.
If you feel that still deserves a down ding then that is your chioce.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:04:09pm |
re: #324 NJDhockeyfan
Sorry, I had to down-ding you for that comment toward out troops. That is disgusting.
yes, because we should totally just passively accept insitutional bigotry in the armed forces that is 100% counter to the constitution, just sort of the cost of doing business
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:05:41pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Because I think it will be badly received by the troops. Right now the Army is predominately rural, and the South is also over-represented. I worry that gayness being introduced will cause troops we need to leave and hurt our recruiting numbers. We need effective soldiers and right now they mostly come from socially conservative places.
First, that raises my hackles a little, since that is exactly the reasoning that was given not to integrate--and now, I doubt many soldiers we want can imagine an unintegrated service.
Secondly, I seriously do not think that troops will leave over this. These guys are already serving with gay soldiers, and they know it. They'll stomp off in a hissy if it's not a secret any more?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:05:56pm |
re: #328 sizzleRI
Love those!!!
They're awesome and then I'd have to build an outfit completely around them, which is the danger of Sock Dreams *_*
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:06:38pm |
re: #327 Varek Raith
So is denying the rights of gays to serve.
Actually, it's far worse.
No, it's not. Our military members are putting their lives on the line every day. I could care less what their beliefs are on anything while they are getting shot at. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:06:56pm |
re: #309 bratwurst
I don't know how to break this to you...you might want to sit down...the fact is...and I know this will come as a shock...there is plenty of REAL LIVE GAYNESS in the military RIGHT NOW. As you read this, actual military personal are having GAY SEX. All we are introducing is honesty.
I hope they are enjoying themselves. And using appropriate protection.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:07:17pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Because I think it will be badly received by the troops. Right now the Army is predominately rural, and the South is also over-represented. I worry that gayness being introduced will cause troops we need to leave and hurt our recruiting numbers. We need effective soldiers and right now they mostly come from socially conservative places.
DF - I think it's not at all a good assumption to make, that rural folks and Southern folks are automatically so anti-gay they will refuse to serve, or leave the armed forces. Seriously.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:07:33pm |
re: #334 NJDhockeyfan
No, it's not. Our military members are putting their lives on the line every day. I could care less what their beliefs are on anything while they are getting shot at. You should be ashamed of yourself.
It is they who should be ashamed of themselves if they fear gays.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:08:13pm |
re: #334 NJDhockeyfan
No, it's not. Our military members are putting their lives on the line every day. I could care less what their beliefs are on anything while they are getting shot at. You should be ashamed of yourself.
An I'm ashamed that so many support bigotry in the Armed Forces.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:08:13pm |
re: #317 WindUpBird
Aren't guys in the military supposed to be disciplined?
I thought that was how it worked, you like, follow orders and stuff
"We can make them walk TOWARD hell.
We just can't make them serve with blacks/women/gays."
Somehow this line of reasoning has never struck me as all that realistic.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:08:22pm |
re: #334 NJDhockeyfan
No, it's not. Our military members are putting their lives on the line every day. I could care less what their beliefs are on anything while they are getting shot at. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Doubling down!
Got it, we understand
The military members who put their lives on the line who are then outed, kicked out of the armed forces and their lives essentially ruined?
Guess some people are still a lil more equal than others under the law
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:08:38pm |
re: #321 jamesfirecat
By the way Dark nothing personal, but would I be wrong to say the following might have been said Circa 1940 or so...
"Because I think it will be badly received by the troops. Right now the Army is predominately rural, and the South is also over-represented. I worry that
gaynessblacks being introduced will cause troops we need to leave and hurt our recruiting numbers. We need effective soldiers and right now they mostly come from socially conservative places."
And I likely would have been one of the ones saying it. You know how little I like the possibility of upheavals. I much prefer to do things slowly, and wait for attitudes to change. That said, I'd like to see what repeal would cost and what we'd gain, numbers wise. That would at least give me all the facts.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:09:11pm |
re: #334 NJDhockeyfan
No, it's not. Our military members are putting their lives on the line every day. I could care less what their beliefs are on anything while they are getting shot at. You should be ashamed of yourself.
So you don't care what kind of men/women defend you from outside threats?
Down that path lies the way to a military dictatorship if you ask me.
I want the men who fight for my country to be better than me in every way imaginable.
But hey I guess that just makes me an Elitist...
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:09:11pm |
re: #334 NJDhockeyfan
No, it's not. Our military members are putting their lives on the line every day. I could care less what their beliefs are on anything while they are getting shot at. You should be ashamed of yourself.
i dunno, man. we should keep this discussion to a dull roar so that passions don't get too inflamed. further, about the only belief i feel comfortable spurning in our armed forces is that the person to the left or to the right is somehow unworthy to serve despite their being physically qualified.
discrimination is not belief. i think that's where James was going, and if i'm right, i'm (gulp) right there with him.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:09:36pm |
re: #324 NJDhockeyfan
Sorry, I had to down-ding you for that comment toward out troops. That is disgusting.
That wasn't aimed at the troops.
That was aimed at homophobes who would discard the uniform they wear rather than wear it alongside gay men and women.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:10:52pm |
re: #337 Varek Raith
It is they who should be ashamed of themselves if they fear gays.
That doesn't mean they deserve to have someone say F*** them about any of them. That's Markos Moulitsas range.
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sizzleRI Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:10:55pm |
re: #333 WindUpBird
I can already tell that entire website is going to make me convince myself that my jeans/black tank top/hoodie sweatshirt look totally needs so many fancy thigh high socks! Damn you!!!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:10:56pm |
re: #341 Dark_Falcon
And I likely would have been one of the ones saying it. You know how little I like the possibility of upheavals. I much prefer to do things slowly, and wait for attitudes to change. That said, I'd like to see what repeal would cost and what we'd gain, numbers wise. That would at least give me all the facts.
You're a good egg Dark, it takes a lot of courage for a man to admit that he's on the wrong side of history...
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:11:01pm |
The Army should be ashamed for kicking out Arabic translators for being gay.
Way to hurt our national security.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:11:38pm |
re: #345 NJDhockeyfan
That doesn't mean they deserve to have someone say F*** them about any of them. That's Markos Moulitsas range.
Always back to Kos
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:11:59pm |
re: #348 Varek Raith
The Army should be ashamed for kicking out Arabic translators for being gay.
Way to hurt our national security.
No, that's good!
What's disgusting is saying the word fuck on a blog :D
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:12:39pm |
re: #350 WindUpBird
No, that's good!
What's disgusting is saying the word fuck on a blog :D
I cuss like a sailor.
Good thing I tone it down on LGF!
:)
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:12:40pm |
re: #348 Varek Raith
The Army should be ashamed for kicking out Arabic translators for being gay.
Way to hurt our national security.
That + ashamed of assuming that the men and women already serving can't handle it. I, for one, believe that our armed forces are made of sterner stuff than this.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:13:16pm |
re: #334 NJDhockeyfan
No, it's not. Our military members are putting their lives on the line every day. I could care less what their beliefs are on anything while they are getting shot at. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Our gay military members are also putting their lives on the line every day, and their courage and sacrifice needs to be honored equally with every other soldier's.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:13:16pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:13:23pm |
re: #352 Aceofwhat?
That + ashamed of assuming that the men and women already serving can't handle it. I, for one, believe that our armed forces are made of sterner stuff than this.
Exactly.
The world will not end...
Yet.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:13:39pm |
re: #352 Aceofwhat?
That + ashamed of assuming that the men and women already serving can't handle it. I, for one, believe that our armed forces are made of sterner stuff than this.
They are indeed, regardless of where they come from, rural, southern or not.
What you say is true.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:13:52pm |
re: #346 sizzleRI
I can already tell that entire website is going to make me convince myself that my jeans/black tank top/hoodie sweatshirt look totally needs so many fancy thigh high socks! Damn you!!!
The skirt+hoodie look works! I stomp around sci-fi cons with zany stripes, it's a thing I dig :D
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:14:27pm |
re: #351 Varek Raith
I cuss like a sailor.
Good thing I tone it down on LGF!
:)
It's the videogames. I barely recognize myself when i'm gaming alone and zig when i should have zagged...i sound like the dad from A Christmas Story...
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:14:39pm |
re: #353 SanFranciscoZionist
Our gay military members are also putting their lives on the line every day, and their courage and sacrifice needs to be honored equally with every other soldier's.
Their sacrifice should be honored more, for they do those things in a system which conspires against them, fighting against the foe without and within.....
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:14:51pm |
re: #356 reine.de.tout
They are indeed, regardless of where they come from, rural, southern or not.
What you say is true.
yes, and it was your comment that led my train of thought down that path...thanks!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:15:19pm |
re: #348 Varek Raith
The Army should be ashamed for kicking out Arabic translators for being gay.
Way to hurt our national security.
That was just ludicrous.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:15:19pm |
re: #353 SanFranciscoZionist
Our gay military members are also putting their lives on the line every day, and their courage and sacrifice needs to be honored equally with every other soldier's.
Yes they are. I am including all out brave soldiers. Saying F*** them is over the line IMO.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:16:14pm |
re: #345 NJDhockeyfan
That doesn't mean they deserve to have someone say F*** them about any of them. That's Markos Moulitsas range.
He was referring to those who would leave the service simply because DADT was repealed.
Do we really want them if they ragequit over repealing DADT?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:16:19pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
Only when it applies.
Yeah, i can't imagine why someone would be pissed off and emotional about institutional bigotry
Guess we should just be real happy with it and accept it and just be totally cool with second-class citizens who are constantly under threat of having their careers destroyed!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:16:36pm |
re: #347 jamesfirecat
You're a good egg Dark, it takes a lot of courage for a man to admit that he's on the wrong side of history...
I don't think history has sides. Progress can be reversed, technology can be lost. I'm not for bigotry, I'm just someone who prefers to act slowly and carefully most of the time. I worry about things going wrong, a lot.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:16:40pm |
re: #362 NJDhockeyfan
Yes they are. I am including all out brave soldiers. Saying F*** them is over the line IMO.
Goalposts: moved
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:16:54pm |
re: #363 Varek Raith
He was referring to those who would leave the service simply because DADT was repealed.
Do we really want them if they ragequit over repealing DADT?
Goalposts: moved back to original location
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:17:13pm |
re: #352 Aceofwhat?
That + ashamed of assuming that the men and women already serving can't handle it. I, for one, believe that our armed forces are made of sterner stuff than this.
"They can't handle the truth!"
(Kid from Yankton, S.D.: "If you mean that Garcia is a homo, I can too handle the truth! My mom watches Will and Grace all the time!")
"Shaddup kid! THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH."
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:17:16pm |
re: #362 NJDhockeyfan
Yes they are. I am including all out brave soldiers. Saying F*** them is over the line IMO.
What about the soldiers who are currently on trail for killing civilians.
If they were found guilty would it be okay to say "F*** them"?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:17:34pm |
re: #365 Dark_Falcon
I don't think history has sides. Progress can be reversed, technology can be lost. I'm not for bigotry, I'm just someone who prefers to act slowly and carefully most of the time. I worry about things going wrong, a lot.
To some of us, things have been going wrong for a long time on this issue
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:18:04pm |
re: #362 NJDhockeyfan
Yes they are. I am including all out brave soldiers. Saying F*** them is over the line IMO.
I disagree, I think it was aimed at a specific and hypothetical group.
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:18:26pm |
re: #350 WindUpBird
No, that's good!
What's disgusting is saying the word fuck on a blog :D
Oh go piss up a rope!
///////
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:18:36pm |
re: #364 WindUpBird
Yeah, i can't imagine why someone would be pissed off and emotional about institutional bigotry
Guess we should just be real happy with it and accept it and just be totally cool with second-class citizens who are constantly under threat of having their careers destroyed!
Are you saying the military supports anti-gay bigotry?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:18:48pm |
re: #365 Dark_Falcon
I don't think history has sides. Progress can be reversed, technology can be lost. I'm not for bigotry, I'm just someone who prefers to act slowly and carefully most of the time. I worry about things going wrong, a lot.
I believe in the words of Martin Luther King... the arc of the universe may be long, but it bends toward justice...
If much of the "progress" we've made over the last century was reversed the world would be a much sadder place.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:19:07pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:19:18pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:19:24pm |
re: #373 NJDhockeyfan
Are you saying the military supports anti-gay bigotry?
Among anti non-Christian, yes, to a degree.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:19:44pm |
re: #373 NJDhockeyfan
Are you saying the military supports anti-gay bigotry?
I would say that the military ENFORCES anti-gay bigotry at the present time. I would like them to cut it the hell out.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:20:12pm |
re: #373 NJDhockeyfan
Are you saying the military supports anti-gay bigotry?
As long as DADT is in place, they absolutely do. Second class citizenship status. All people are apparently not created equal, because if a dude loves a dude, he can have his career destroyed. straight up.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:20:55pm |
re: #377 Varek Raith
Among anti non-Christian, yes, to a degree.
I should find that story about the Jewish guy who was being harrassed in the military by a particularly strident protestant chaplain
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sizzleRI Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:20:58pm |
re: #336 reine.de.tout
Absolutely. One of the things I admire so much about the military is the importance of mission above prejudice. I see no reason to believe that service members won't fall in line, just as they always do. These men and women are risking their lives! Do people really believe that sharing quarters with openly gay (just to remember that is the issue, gays are still in, just closeted) soldiers is scarier than risking your life, limb, perhaps sanity for your country?
And, because I know the south is always mentioned as the uneducated rubes who cannot accept differences, I need to say that is not my experience. My mother and her entire side of the family live in central Tennessee. At least for my cousins my age, there is no question that gays should be able to serve and there won't be massive problems. That the military is better than that. And these are people who are by NO means liberal. Complete meltdowns on Facebook after Obama's election and the passing of healthcare and a myriad of other issues. But on gays serving in the military? No arguments.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:21:30pm |
re: #376 WindUpBird
yep!
Holy fuck, the hate for our military by the progressives on here is awful tonight. You guys aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:22:21pm |
re: #362 NJDhockeyfan
Yes they are. I am including all out brave soldiers. Saying F*** them is over the line IMO.
May I say however, that the context in which James used such words is different: Markos Moulitsas used the words "Screw them." to refer to his indifference to the murders of 4 military contractors who were ambushed and horribly killed in Falluja. James used the F-word to refer to someone be discharged from the armed forces. That's not really the same thing.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:22:50pm |
re: #382 NJDhockeyfan
Holy fuck, the hate for our military by the progressives on here is awful tonight. You guys aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
Goalposts: moved outside the arena, down the street, onto the interstate, took the pier exit, currently sitting under about 95ft of water
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:23:21pm |
re: #379 WindUpBird
As long as DADT is in place, they absolutely do. Second class citizenship status. All people are apparently not created equal, because if a dude loves a dude, he can have his career destroyed. straight up.
DADT was President Clinton's bill, wasn't it? Blame the Democrats for that, not the military.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:23:59pm |
re: #381 sizzleRI
Absolutely. One of the things I admire so much about the military is the importance of mission above prejudice. I see no reason to believe that service members won't fall in line, just as they always do. These men and women are risking their lives! Do people really believe that sharing quarters with openly gay (just to remember that is the issue, gays are still in, just closeted) soldiers is scarier than risking your life, limb, perhaps sanity for your country?
And, because I know the south is always mentioned as the uneducated rubes who cannot accept differences, I need to say that is not my experience. . . .
ah, a newbie with a good southern experience!
You don't know how much I appreciate that (Louisiana here).
Plus, my dad grew up in Kentucky, I've traced the family back to the Revolutionary War, absolutely NO inbreeding at all, anywhere along the line, which would surprise some here.
Welcome aboard, though I'm sure we will disagree on something at some point, it's how it goes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:23:59pm |
re: #382 NJDhockeyfan
Holy fuck, the hate for our military by the progressives on here is awful tonight. You guys aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
Are you serious?
DADT is a terrible, outdated policy that is actively hurting people in the military. It's bigotry, it's ugly, and it has to go.
The defense that we need bigotry to keep some marginal soldiers who won't want to serve any more once it's no longer a straight man's army cuts no bait with me at all. They can hit the road, if they really exist.
And I ain't no progressive.
This is 'hate for our military' on what planet?
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:24:04pm |
re: #382 NJDhockeyfan
Holy fuck, the hate for our military by the progressives on here is awful tonight. You guys aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
I don't get it, man. I mean, if it's your opinion that saying "f--- the soldiers who wouldn't serve alongside a gay soldier" is too strong, fine, that's your opinion...but it's not exactly a party-line progressive coalition lined up against you.
You know me - constructive disagreement is the spice of life, but i'm just having trouble understanding how i'm hating on the military here.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:24:12pm |
re: #383 Dark_Falcon
May I say however, that the context in which James used such words is different: Markos Moulitsas used the words "Screw them." to refer to his indifference to the murders of 4 military contractors who were ambushed and horribly killed in Falluja. James used the F-word to refer to someone be discharged from the armed forces. That's not really the same thing.
I don't even mean for them to be discharged from the armed forces.
I mean "F*** them and don't let the door hit their asses on the way out. If they would quit because we've let gays in and served openly, then the sooner our army sees the last of them, the better off we are..."
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:24:15pm |
re: #385 NJDhockeyfan
DADT was President Clinton's bill, wasn't it? Blame the Democrats for that, not the military.
Goalposts: sailing in international waters
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:24:23pm |
re: #382 NJDhockeyfan
Holy fuck, the hate for our military by the progressives on here is awful tonight. You guys aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
Saying that military supports anti-gay bigotry equals hate for the military? In other words the only "correct" answer is to say the military does not. Because to acknowledge the institutional homophobia equals hatred for the military.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:24:50pm |
re: #385 NJDhockeyfan
DADT was President Clinton's bill, wasn't it? Blame the Democrats for that, not the military.
Wow, I was wondering when this would come up.
DADT is horrible.
But what came before it was even worse.
Clinton took a step forward.
It's time for another, much longer one....
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:24:54pm |
re: #386 reine.de.tout
ah, a newbie with a good southern experience!
You don't know how much I appreciate that (Louisiana here).
Plus, my dad grew up in Kentucky, I've traced the family back to the Revolutionary War, absolutely NO inbreeding at all, anywhere along the line, which would surprise some here.Welcome aboard, though I'm sure we will disagree on something at some point, it's how it goes.
I had a good southern experience! Went to a sci-fi con in Kentucky
nerds are really the same everywhere
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:24:59pm |
re: #385 NJDhockeyfan
DADT was President Clinton's bill, wasn't it? Blame the Democrats for that, not the military.
I do blame Clinton for that. Also the land mines. You shoulda heard some of the shit I called Bill Clinton back when this was going through.
And I LOVE Bill.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:25:19pm |
re: #390 WindUpBird
Goalposts: sailing in international waters
they'd better watch it...i hear the waters off of Somalia can be dicey/
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:25:46pm |
re: #382 NJDhockeyfan
You know what?
Bugger off.
I do not hate the military.
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:25:53pm |
Poisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well) is a logical fallacy where adverse information about a target is pre-emptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing everything that the target person is about to say. Poisoning the well can be a special case of argumentum ad hominem, and the term was first used with this sense by John Henry Newman in his work Apologia Pro Vita Sua.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:25:58pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:26:23pm |
re: #394 SanFranciscoZionist
I do blame Clinton for that. Also the land mines. You shoulda heard some of the shit I called Bill Clinton back when this was going through.
And I LOVE Bill.
I'm more mad at Bill for helping deregulate the financial industry, but yes, not a fan!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:26:36pm |
re: #393 WindUpBird
I had a good southern experience! Went to a sci-fi con in Kentucky
nerds are really the same everywhere
Reine, you know what my southern experience was like--but I expect it could have happened anywhere that families are crazy.
//The scenery was very pretty, and everyone was super-friendly and had nice accents.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:27:05pm |
re: #382 NJDhockeyfan
Holy fuck, the hate for our military by the progressives on here is awful tonight. You guys aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
I'm not seeing any hate for the military, NJD, but a lack of respect for any military folks who would be so traumatized by having to serve with gay folks that they would leave (or not enlist in the first place) - unlike DF, I suspect that is a very small group of people.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:27:37pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:27:50pm |
re: #401 reine.de.tout
I'm not seeing any hate for the military, NJD, but a lack of respect for any military folks who would be so traumatized by having to serve with gay folks that they would leave (or not enlist in the first place) - unlike DF, I suspect that is a very small group of people.
This.
I really believe not even a hundred would leave the forces if DADT were repealed.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:28:29pm |
re: #396 Varek Raith
You know what?
Bugger off.
I do not hate the military.
No, I think I'll stay. I served in the military, my family did the same, and my brother in law is currently in Afghanistan dodging bullets & bombs. People who talk shit about them rubs me the wrong way.
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sizzleRI Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:28:32pm |
re: #398 WindUpBird
Toe socks! They have toe socks, I have missed them. Although, strangely, I like mittens for my hands. The world needs all kinds I suppose.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:28:50pm |
re: #401 reine.de.tout
I'm not seeing any hate for the military, NJD, but a lack of respect for any military folks who would be so traumatized by having to serve with gay folks that they would leave (or not enlist in the first place) - unlike DF, I suspect that is a very small group of people.
Reine and Ace: not exactly your party-line progressive ticket...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:28:57pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:29:01pm |
re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist
Reine, you know what my southern experience was like--but I expect it could have happened anywhere that families are crazy.
//The scenery was very pretty, and everyone was super-friendly and had nice accents.
Well . . .
I toldja that part of our good state is NOT my fave place in the world. Seriously. It brings us folks like Swaggart . . . and, well - your family situation was a bit strange.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:29:24pm |
re: #405 sizzleRI
Toe socks! They have toe socks, I have missed them. Although, strangely, I like mittens for my hands. The world needs all kinds I suppose.
Oh yeah! My friends all get their toe socks through Sock Dreams :D
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:29:25pm |
re: #404 NJDhockeyfan
No, I think I'll stay. I served in the military, my family did the same, and my brother in law is currently in Afghanistan dodging bullets & bombs. People who talk shit about them rubs me the wrong way.
But you have no problem labeling us anti military?
Figures.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:29:43pm |
re: #405 sizzleRI
Toe socks! They have toe socks, I have missed them. Although, strangely, I like mittens for my hands. The world needs all kinds I suppose.
toe socks feel good for a half-hour and then they make my feet sweaty.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:31:22pm |
re: #404 NJDhockeyfan
No, I think I'll stay. I served in the military, my family did the same, and my brother in law is currently in Afghanistan dodging bullets & bombs. People who talk shit about them rubs me the wrong way.
Unless you, your family, or your brother are homophobes who would quit the service if DADT was repealed I wasn't talking shit about them.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:31:22pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:31:57pm |
re: #404 NJDhockeyfan
No, I think I'll stay. I served in the military, my family did the same, and my brother in law is currently in Afghanistan dodging bullets & bombs. People who talk shit about them rubs me the wrong way.
My father served.
Two of my 3 brothers served.
The third brother is gay. All of the above small-southern-town, socially conservative folks perfectly OK with gay folks. And all would be pretty pissed off at anyone doing any harm to or discriminating against gays.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:32:04pm |
So does criticizing government spending mean you're anti-American?
Just so we're clear
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:32:31pm |
re: #413 NJDhockeyfan
If the shoe fits.
So, I'm anti military for pointing out that kicking people out of said military for being gay is bigoted?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:32:32pm |
re: #412 jamesfirecat
Unless you, your family, or your brother are homophobes who would quit the service if DADT was repealed I wasn't talking shit about them.
Goalposts: moving back towards shore
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:33:55pm |
re: #412 jamesfirecat
Unless you, your family, or your brother are homophobes who would quit the service if DADT was repealed I wasn't talking shit about them.
Nobody in my family is like that. When they are in the front lines with bullets whizzsing by I don't give a shit what their beliefs are in anything and I'm sure I disagree with most of them on everything. I respect them and would never say F*** them about anything.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:35:38pm |
re: #418 NJDhockeyfan
Nobody in my family is like that. When they are in the front lines with bullets whizzsing by I don't give a shit what their beliefs are in anything and I'm sure I disagree with most of them on everything. I respect them and would never say F*** them about anything.
You are intentionally distorting what he said.
Why?
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:35:53pm |
re: #414 reine.de.tout
My father served.
Two of my 3 brothers served.
The third brother is gay. All of the above small-southern-town, socially conservative folks perfectly OK with gay folks. And all would be pretty pissed off at anyone doing any harm to or discriminating against gays.
There were gays stationed at the AF base I was at. Nobody cared, we were all on the same team trying to protect our country from the Soviets.
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sizzleRI Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:35:59pm |
re: #386 reine.de.tout
Honestly, the south is just family to me. In the way that I can say mean things about my mom, but no one else can? Yeah, that is pretty much exactly how I feel about the south. I live in Boston now, and I love it (Rhode Islander originally), but please, spare me from the liberals up here who live in one of the most segregated cities in the world. I told a school friend of mine how much I loved Charleston, South Carolina and would love to live there, and her response was "Can't you just feel the racism??!". I was floored. We go to a law school that has 10 black students in a population of 900, in a city that tops the list of segregated systems.
As far as inbreeding goes, well its Tennessee, so you know, even in the south I know its reputation. Anyway, my grandmother was really into genealogy and made sure to let me know that my grandfather's ancestors married first cousins, but that was totally normal in those small mountain towns. However, when I asked about her family, the response was "of course not!"
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:37:48pm |
re: #413 NJDhockeyfan
If the shoe fits.
If you think Varek is anti-military, then you're smoking something a good bit stronger than James' catnip.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:37:51pm |
re: #418 NJDhockeyfan
Nobody in my family is like that. When they are in the front lines with bullets whizzsing by I don't give a shit what their beliefs are in anything and I'm sure I disagree with most of them on everything. I respect them and would never say F*** them about anything.
That's your choice then.
I feel that there are some actions the men in our armed services can commit that are worthy of me saying "F*** them"
For example the guards in Guantanamo who stripped prisoners naked and made them form human pyramids... f*** them, America should be better than that sort of stupid shit!
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:38:17pm |
re: #419 Varek Raith
You are intentionally distorting what he said.
Why?
I'm not distorting shit. I have total of respect for everyone in our military unlike some here obviously.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:38:46pm |
re: #422 sizzleRI
Honestly, the south is just family to me. In the way that I can say mean things about my mom, but no one else can? Yeah, that is pretty much exactly how I feel about the south. I live in Boston now, and I love it (Rhode Islander originally), but please, spare me from the liberals up here who live in one of the most segregated cities in the world. I told a school friend of mine how much I loved Charleston, South Carolina and would love to live there, and her response was "Can't you just feel the racism??!". I was floored. We go to a law school that has 10 black students in a population of 900, in a city that tops the list of segregated systems.
As far as inbreeding goes, well its Tennessee, so you know, even in the south I know its reputation. Anyway, my grandmother was really into genealogy and made sure to let me know that my grandfather's ancestors married first cousins, but that was totally normal in those small mountain towns. However, when I asked about her family, the response was "of course not!"
LOL.
Actually, marrying first cousins was not uncommon; and actually, it generally does no harm whatsoever.
anyhow - welcome aboard (again), I hope you enjoy it here.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:39:31pm |
re: #426 NJDhockeyfan
I'm not distorting shit. I have total of respect for everyone in our military unlike some here obviously.
I respect those in our military who deserve respect, which is most of them.
Some, do not deserve respect.
Like those on trial for hunting civilians in Afghanistan.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:41:35pm |
re: #429 NJDhockeyfan
I bet that makes you feel so proud to find reasons to say F*** them about our military. How progressive!
How do you feel about those people in uniform who commit such actions?
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:41:48pm |
re: #424 Dark_Falcon
If you think Varek is anti-military, then you're smoking something a good bit stronger than James' catnip.
I so wanted to be a Captain of a Navy DD.
But no!
They wouldn't have me.
:(
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:42:15pm |
re: #428 Varek Raith
I respect those in our military who deserve respect, which is most of them.
Some, do not deserve respect.
Like those on trial for hunting civilians in Afghanistan.
The uniform itself endows a certain degree of respect on a man, above and beyond his own deeds.
If he fucks up badly, it goes the other way too, because he has not just disgraced himself, but the uniform and what it represents.
This all goes for girls, too, but the gender-neutral language makes it seem less solemn and stuff.
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:42:40pm |
re: #425 jamesfirecat
That's your choice then.
I feel that there are some actions the men in our armed services can commit that are worthy of me saying "F*** them"
For example the guards in
Guantanamowho stripped prisoners naked and made them form human pyramids... f*** them, America should be better than that sort of stupid shit!
Abu Ghraib
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:43:12pm |
re: #431 Varek Raith
I so wanted to be a Captain of a Navy DD.
But no!
They wouldn't have me.
:(
I still may try the Coast Guard...
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:43:18pm |
re: #428 Varek Raith
I respect those in our military who deserve respect, which is most of them.
Some, do not deserve respect.
Like those on trial for hunting civilians in Afghanistan.
If some of them committed murder, rape, or something like that then they deserve to go to jail for their crimes. I'm not talking about them. There are very few criminals in our military but they can't stop them all.
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:44:05pm |
re: #429 NJDhockeyfan
I bet that makes you feel so proud to find reasons to say F*** them about our military. How progressive!
Are you tone deaf or something? Anyone that violates the UCMJ to that degree is not worthy of respect. Our military is not defined by those that transgress accepted norms of social behavior both inside the military and outside the military.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:44:09pm |
re: #429 NJDhockeyfan
I bet that makes you feel so proud to find reasons to say F*** them about our military. How progressive!
And the conversation went down, down, down, as the flames leaped higher...
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:45:13pm |
re: #431 Varek Raith
I so wanted to be a Captain of a Navy DD.
But no!
They wouldn't have me.
:(
I wanted to be a fighter pilot but they wouldn't let me. Back them they required all pilots to have 20/20 vision. I don't know if it's still that way.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:45:37pm |
re: #435 NJDhockeyfan
If some of them committed murder, rape, or something like that then they deserve to go to jail for their crimes. I'm not talking about them. There are very few criminals in our military but they can't stop them all.
I am talking about them.
Criminals in uniform.
Bigots in uniform.
These people disgrace the uniform of the United States of America and even if they would give up their lives to defend it, they still end up standing against everything they claim to be fighting for by clinging to their beliefes....
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:46:11pm |
re: #439 NJDhockeyfan
I wanted to be a fighter pilot but they wouldn't let me. Back them they required all pilots to have 20/20 vision. I don't know if it's still that way.
They did in 2002.
I tried.
Dammit.
Of course, they rightfully saw my migraines as a liability, as did the Navy.
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:47:10pm |
re: #423 Gus 802
Just repeal DADT and be done with it.
my only connection to the army is that i worked for them for a couple of years, but i got the impression that most army folks wouldn't give a half a shit about somebody being gay
i tend to think that it is people outside of the army that really care about it, not people in the army
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:47:50pm |
re: #440 jamesfirecat
I am talking about them.
Criminals in uniform.
Bigots in uniform.
These people disgrace the uniform of the United States of America and even if they would give up their lives to defend it, they still end up standing against everything they claim to be fighting for by clinging to their beliefes...
So you think soldiers who do not support homosexuality are equal to criminals? For real?
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:49:43pm |
re: #441 Varek Raith
They did in 2002.
I tried.
Dammit.
Of course, they rightfully saw my migraines as a liability, as did the Navy.
Migrains I can understand. I would think glasses would be fine but I guess they don't fuck around with who they want to fly those million dollar fighters. Too bad, I really wanted to fly.
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Gus Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:50:20pm |
re: #442 engineer dog
my only connection to the army is that i worked for them for a couple of years, but i got the impression that most army folks wouldn't give a half a shit about somebody being gay
i tend to think that it is people outside of the army that really care about it, not people in the army
Everything would still be based on personalities -- the individual. In most cases fellow soldiers won't know a thing if they're dealing with a private individual. Most people are too caught up in their own lives to care about who their peers are having sex with.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:50:53pm |
re: #443 NJDhockeyfan
So you think soldiers who do not support homosexuality are equal to criminals? For real?
I think someone who would leave the service because he doesn't want to have to share that honor with someone whose private life he doesn't support is a person the service can do without.
I also think he is a rare person, and not the normative figure he is sometimes made out to be when we're discussing this issue.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:51:09pm |
re: #444 NJDhockeyfan
Migrains I can understand. I would think glasses would be fine but I guess they don't fuck around with who they want to fly those million dollar fighters. Too bad, I really wanted to fly.
Honest, sir, I thought that bird was a MiG-29!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:51:53pm |
re: #443 NJDhockeyfan
So you think soldiers who do not support homosexuality are equal to criminals? For real?
No.
I consider Criminals in uniform to be the worst of the worst and they should be prosecuted for their crimes.
The bigots in uniform I feel should be forced to deal with something else entirely... making the choice between putting up or shutting up on their bigotries as they find themselves serving along side openly gay and lesbian soldiers...
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palomino Mon, Nov 8, 2010 8:53:40pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Because I think it will be badly received by the troops. Right now the Army is predominately rural, and the South is also over-represented. I worry that gayness being introduced will cause troops we need to leave and hurt our recruiting numbers. We need effective soldiers and right now they mostly come from socially conservative places.
Right now more than two-thirds of Americans want DADT to be repealed, including a clear majority of conservatives.
How is your point different from the arguments used in the 1940s to keep the military segregated by race? The only difference I see is that public opinion back then supported segregation. Now the public opposes DADT.
Placating bigotry shouldn't be a viable option.
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TedStriker Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:06:26pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Because I think it will be badly received by the troops. Right now the Army is predominately rural, and the South is also over-represented. I worry that gayness being introduced will cause troops we need to leave and hurt our recruiting numbers. We need effective soldiers and right now they mostly come from socially conservative places.
If soldiers (and prospective soldiers) can't put their love of country and drive to serve it through the armed forces above personal distaste and hatred for what other soldiers do in their private lives (legally), then I'd rather they choose not to serve/enlist.
Homosexuality isn't a character flaw or mental disorder, it's simple biology...I can do without those who can't get through their hangups and dogma to understand that.
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TedStriker Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:09:51pm |
re: #443 NJDhockeyfan
You can read and understand English, right? Learn to parse, because I got what james was saying right off...
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TedStriker Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:11:54pm |
re: #437 SanFranciscoZionist
And the conversation went down, down, down, as the flames leaped higher...
And it burns, burns, burns, a ring of fire...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:11:59pm |
re: #443 NJDhockeyfan
So you think soldiers who do not support homosexuality are equal to criminals? For real?
English comprehension was never your strong suit puck. He didn't say that at all.
There are some really good books about a dog named spot and seeing him run that are on your level. You should practice.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:19:05pm |
re: #454 LudwigVanQuixote
That's the kind of insult Rodan would hurl. Ludwig is not a "pathological liar" and you know it!
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:21:03pm |
re: #456 Dark_Falcon
That's the kind of insult Rodan would hurl. Ludwig is not a "pathological liar" and you know it!
He is as far as I'm concerned. As long as he stands by all the lies he said about me without proof he will remain a liar.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:21:10pm |
re: #456 Dark_Falcon
That's the kind of insult Rodan would hurl. Ludwig is not a "pathological liar" and you know it!
This thread is like a Lovecraft novel, normal sane people keep going crazy for no clear reaosn....
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sizzleRI Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:31:46pm |
re: #443 NJDhockeyfan
I want no part of your, well whatever it is, with Ludwig. Honestly.
But do you really think most of us angry with DADT and its defenders are picking on the military? I don't think that "soldiers who do not support homosexuality" are criminals. I also do not think that the question is about supporting homosexuality (whatever the fuck that means), but just accepting their fellow gay soldiers who are already serving, but who would really like to stop living in fear about anyone finding out or making an issue of it. I understand that you have served, so I am curious if you knew gays who were trying to hide their lives. Because the gays I know, and their partners; well it was a very stressful situation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:32:01pm |
re: #458 jamesfirecat
This thread is like a Lovecraft novel, normal sane people keep going crazy for no clear reaosn...
It does have that quality, no? The professor walks toward the door, and then begins to rave and scream and claw at the air...
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bratwurst Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:36:01pm |
re: #460 SanFranciscoZionist
It does have that quality, no? The professor walks toward the door, and then begins to rave and scream and claw at the air...
You were in the class I was teaching today?!?!?!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:39:02pm |
re: #456 Dark_Falcon
Oops, linked to the wrong post. Sorry.
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sizzleRI Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:46:31pm |
re: #460 SanFranciscoZionist
I love this. In fairness, even though its a great reference, I'm think I'm happier because I've visited his grave.
That sounds creepy.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 8, 2010 10:21:22pm |
re: #455 NJDhockeyfan
The resident pathological liar appears!
hahaha are you just going to follow Mandy and Bagua on out of here
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