Louisiana Creationists Want to Ban Biology Textbooks That Teach Evolution

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Since Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal signed the anti-evolution “Louisiana Science Education Act,” the sponsors of this law have been oddly silent; but now the other shoes are starting to drop, as a group of citizens backed by the Christian Louisiana Family Forum (there’s that “family” word again) are attacking the state’s proposed biology textbooks because they teach evolution without giving equal time to creationism. Laurie Lebo explains:

The Baton Rouge Advocate reported this week that a state panel is scheduled to review the issue Friday after the state’s school board held off adopting the biology I and biology II textbooks due to the complaints.

Winston White, one of the residents who complained about the books, said, “It’s like Charles Darwin and his theory is a saint. You can’t touch it.”

It’s worth noting that White is the son of Darrell White, who was one of the Louisiana Family Forum founders. This move is all part of an ongoing broader strategy, one that the LFF, which is affiliated with Focus on the Family, has been behind since the beginning.

Darrell White also told the Advocate that the textbooks don’t comply with the anti-evolution law known as the “Louisiana Science Education Act,” which the Family Forum helped write and successfully lobbied for in 2008. The LSEA instructs educators to promote “critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories being studied including, but not limited to, evolution, the origins of life, global warming, and human cloning.” It also allows teachers and school districts to use “supplemental textbooks,” which are just code words for creationist and pro-intelligent design materials. …

In written comments to state officials, David Mathers, of West Monroe, said he would “like to see intelligent design explained as an alternate theory to the theory of evolution.”

Curt Eberts, of Monroe, made the same point. He faulted a biology textbook he reviewed for lacking material on the concept of intelligent design.

And it gets more ridiculous, because the state panel that’s supposed to review these anti-science complaints includes the chief sponsors of the anti-evolution law. Nice.

Who is on this panel that will review the complaints Friday and make recommendations to the state school board? According to the National Center for Science Education:

The council includes a state senator and a state representative appointed by the governor; interestingly, the legislators presently on the council are Senator Ben W. Nevers (D-District 12) and Representative Frank A. Hoffman (R-District 15), who were the chief sponsors of the LSEA in the Louisiana Senate and House of Representatives in 2008.

Anybody want to place a bet on what the panel will recommend?

UPDATE at 11/12/10 4:57:50 pm:

A bulletin from the NCSE:

This just in: Louisiana’s Textbook/Media/Library/Advisory Council met today and voted 8 to 4, recommending that the Board of Education and Secondary Education (BESE) adopt the high school life science textbooks that creationists have been opposing. In short, the Council endorsed the original recommendation from the science textbook committee.

But this is at best a brief victory. The real battle will come when BESE meets on December 9. Stay tuned.

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314 comments
1 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:18:36pm

Jindal = another person I can’t believe I was supposed to take seriously as Presidential material.

2 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:22:01pm

When someone asks, “What is the harm in these laws that allow ‘alternate’ views in the classroom?”, here it is.

Many of those who supported the Louisiana Science and Education Act (a huge misnomer if I ever heard one), proclaimed loudly that this was not a stealth pro-creationism, anti-evoluation law.

And, well as it turns out, it actually isn’t particularly stealthy, but the law most definitely is anti-evolution, pro-creationism.

And it didn’t take ‘em all that long to make their agenda clear.

3 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:22:56pm

re: #2 reine.de.tout

My spelling sucks in that comment, forgive me please.
My keys are sticking. Yeah, that’s it.

4 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:24:07pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Jindal = another person I can’t believe I was supposed to take seriously as Presidential material.

I’ve been trying to sound an alarm about Jindal for a couple of years now.
I could have saved my breath - he will do himself in.

5 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:24:35pm

So they really want kids to learn that Jesus walked with dinosaurs?

6 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:25:37pm

gosh, what’s an atheist to do?

7 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:26:22pm

When their kids can’t get into university or function there and they realize their schooling resembles that of a third world nation, change- and sanity, will return to Louisiana.

8 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:27:26pm

It’s like Albert Einstein and his theory are saints. You can’t touch it with the
alternative “ether” theory, even though angels are well known by Creation Physicists to be Ethereal Beings.

9 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:28:33pm

re: #8 lostlakehiker

It’s like Albert Einstein and his theory are saints. You can’t touch it with the
alternative “ether” theory, even though angels are well known by Creation Physicists to be Ethereal Beings.

New meaning to ‘Magical Thinking’.
/

10 darthstar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:28:33pm

This topic is so much more fun than Pamela Geller.

11 darthstar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:28:48pm

re: #6 albusteve

gosh, what’s an atheist to do?

evolve.

12 darthstar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:29:57pm

re: #8 lostlakehiker

It’s like Albert Einstein and his theory are saints. You can’t touch it with the
alternative “ether” theory, even though angels are well known by Creation Physicists to be Ethereal Beings.

Creation Physicists? Is that another way of saying “Ignorant fucktards?”

13 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:30:47pm

re: #11 darthstar

evolve.

heh….me thinks the feds will have to step in here someday…civilized heads and all that…one word comes to mind, defund

14 darthstar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:30:47pm

re: #9 researchok

New meaning to ‘Magical Thinking’.
/

Speaking of which, I saw Avatar last night for the first time. Not a bad movie…not a great movie, but not a bad movie. I like Sigourney Weaver in blue.

15 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:32:20pm

re: #7 researchok

When their kids can’t get into university or function there and they realize their schooling resembles that of a third world nation, change- and sanity, will return to Louisiana.

New Orleans, home of the Original Drum Circle

16 darthstar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:32:29pm

re: #13 albusteve

heh…me thinks the feds will have to step in here someday…civilized heads and all that…one word comes to mind, defund

Nah, just consider Louisiana a source for future unskilled workers. Tell them “God wants you to dig ditches in Montana” and put them on a bus.

17 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:33:24pm

To me, it’s not that compicated. Darwin and his theories are scientific. Hence why they are taught in science classes. I wouldn’t feel that Darwin should be taught in a class about religions so why on earth should creationism be taught in a class about science? Saying God created the earth is not science. Pure and simple. And yeah the word “Family” in an organization makes me nervous too Charles.

18 darthstar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:33:34pm

re: #7 researchok

When their kids can’t get into university or function there and they realize their schooling resembles that of a third world nation, change- and sanity, will return to Louisiana.

I’ve been to third world countries. They teach biology to their kids.

19 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:34:07pm

DULL VICTORY

in the week after the recent election, i noticed something strange about my usual wingnut correspondants: they weren’t full of even more of their typically vainglorious triumphalism than usual, as i expected. as a matter of fact, they seemed more beat than anything else. now, it seems, there is some quantification about post election attitudes that may explain this curious phenom. basically, it seems that the public is significantly less enthusiastic about 2010 than they were about 2008 and even 1994. overall, support for republicans after this election cycle seems to measure at 10 - 12% less than for republicans in 1994 and democrats in 2008:


Poll: Disenchantment Remains After Midterms

While 40 percent do say they are pleased by the election outcome, that’s a significantly smaller percentage than the 58 percent who were pleased following the 2006 midterm elections. … historic victory. Fewer people today say they are happy about the Republican victory, approve of the GOP’s plans for the future, and far fewer believe Republicans will be successful in getting their programs passed into law.

Despite their gains in last week’s elections, Republicans are seen less favorably than Democrats overall. Forty-six percent of Americans have a favorable view of Democrats, matching the percentage who have an unfavorable view. The favorability rating for Republicans is 42 percent, with their unfavorable rating at 48 percent

But while most Americans want both President Obama and Congressional Republicans to work toward compromise on a range of issues, they are skeptical that compromise will come. And they blame the GOP: While 73 percent say Mr. Obama will try to work with Republicans, just 45 percent say Republicans will try to work with the president


Mixed Reactions to Republican Midterm Win
Public Less Happy Than After 2006 and 1994 Elections

The public, voters and non-voters alike, has a subdued reaction to the Republican Party’s midterm election victory. Four years ago, the response to the Democrats regaining full control of Congress was far more positive, as it was in 1994 when the GOP won a historic victory. Fewer people today say they are happy about the Republican victory, approve of the GOP’s plans for the future, and far fewer believe Republicans will be successful in getting their programs passed into law

The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted Nov. 4-7 among 1,255 adults, finds 48% saying they are happy that the Republican Party won control of the House while 34% are unhappy. Four years ago, 60% said they were happy the Democrats won full control of Congress, compared with just 24% who were unhappy. That mirrored the public’s reaction in December 1994 to the GOP winning control of Congress for the first time in 40 years (57% happy vs. 31% unhappy).

In the current survey, 52% of those who said they voted in the Nov. 2 election were happy with the outcome compared with 42% of non-voters. Still, more voters in 2006 – 60% – said they were happy with the Democrats’ victory.

The public has a mixed reaction to the Republican policies and plans for the future: 41% approve, while nearly as many (37%) disapprove. Approval is somewhat greater among voters (45%) than among non-voters (35%). But on balance, both the general public and voters express less positive views of the GOP’s policies than they did of the Democrats’ proposals after the 2006 election.

20 darthstar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:35:43pm

re: #19 engineer dog

40% happy, 58% unhappy…that sounds awfully scientific…can you show me where those numbers appear in the Bible?

21 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:37:53pm

re: #14 darthstar

Speaking of which, I saw Avatar last night for the first time. Not a bad movie…not a great movie, but not a bad movie. I like Sigourney Weaver in blue.

I agree, it was OK. The preachiness turned me off and made it somewhat predictable.

I wasn’t the debacle the righties made it out to be.

22 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:38:59pm

If you want to teach your children creationism fine but biblical teachings do not belong in public schools. It’s that simple. If these people want their kids to learn creationism than they should enroll them in schools that do. I mean is it really that complicated for these people. Agh. I am not anti religion or even an atheist btu this crap bugs me.

23 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:39:01pm

re: #18 darthstar

I’ve been to third world countries. They teach biology to their kids.

Not s much in many Muslim countries, sadly.

24 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:40:01pm

time to unleash the hounds on these nutters…start with a volley of scathing mockery followed by a cream pie

25 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:41:02pm

re: #24 albusteve

time to unleash the hounds on these nutters…start with a volley of scathing mockery followed by a cream pie

I wish it were that easy.

They want to play the lead in the martyr role.

26 dragonfire1981  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:41:38pm

If they are going to include Christian teachings, they should darned well include teachings from other religions too. There’s plenty of theories about how the planet and universe and human beings came into existence.

27 allegro  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:42:39pm

re: #26 dragonfire1981

If they are going to include Christian teachings, they should darned well include teachings from other religions too. There’s plenty of theories about how the planet and universe and human beings came into existence.

I believe they do that. It’s called Comparative Religions. Just where it belongs.

28 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:42:43pm

re: #26 dragonfire1981

If they are going to include Christian teachings, they should darned well include teachings from other religions too. There’s plenty of theories about how the planet and universe and human beings came into existence.

hmruph :) like they’re going to support allowing non Christian theories. Why, that’s Marxism.

29 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:44:02pm

re: #25 researchok

I wish it were that easy.

They want to play the lead in the martyr role.

so what, protecting our children is too important…these freaks have discovered their own road to rightousness and now they want to kick my door in and cram me full of their fantastic tripe…it’s utterly intolerable and we’ll see what’s to be done with it

30 webevintage  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:44:35pm

re: #14 darthstar

Speaking of which, I saw Avatar last night for the first time. Not a bad movie…not a great movie, but not a bad movie. I like Sigourney Weaver in blue.

It was just so, damn long.
And the General(?) in charge was just so over the top crazy that I think I found it a bit more humorous then Cameron might have wanted….it became almost a parody of itself.
But it was so very, very pretty….

31 Kragar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:44:54pm

I guess they’ve gotten past their “Teach the controversy” gimmick.

32 webevintage  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:46:02pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

If you want to teach your children creationism fine but biblical teachings do not belong in public schools. It’s that simple. If these people want their kids to learn creationism than they should enroll them in schools that do. I mean is it really that complicated for these people. Agh. I am not anti religion or even an atheist btu this crap bugs me.

but, but, but secularism is a religion doncha’ know….
/

33 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:46:19pm

Biology is biology and religion is religion & never the twain shall meet.

Apologies to Kipling.

34 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:47:11pm

re: #6 albusteve

gosh, what’s an atheist to do?

Confront and engage the creeping darkness.

35 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:48:23pm

re: #32 webevintage

but, but, but secularism is a religion doncha’ know…
/

Yep and usually rabble rabble something about how the Nazis were secularists.

36 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:48:30pm

re: #19 engineer dog

The Republicans are on probation & they better know it.

37 Kragar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:48:44pm

Creationist geology must be great.

Well, we’re studying the Grand Canyon, which you can see from the sedimentary layers, was formed over dozens of decades.

38 allegro  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:48:59pm

re: #34 eclectic infidel

Confront and engage the creeping darkness.

Or light a fattie and retire from teaching biology… worked for me. ;)

39 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:50:06pm

Heh, I wonder what a creationist biology test would be. Do you get an A if you write God for all the answers? I mean it would be easier to study than all those theories so I’d probably do better on exams heh.

40 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:50:21pm

I’m not disagreeing.

But that is how it will play out- the persecution of religious people.

41 allegro  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:50:42pm

re: #37 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Creationist geology must be great.

Well, we’re studying the Grand Canyon, which you can see from the sedimentary layers, was formed over dozens of decades 40 days during the Great Flood.

I think you just failed Creationist Geo 101

42 Kragar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:50:45pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

Yep and usually rabble rabble something about how the Nazis were secularists.

Except Hitler spoke positively of Germany’s christian heritage and promoted the idea of an Aryan Christ.

43 Kragar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:51:13pm

re: #41 allegro

I think you just failed Creationist Geo 101

Thank God.

44 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:51:58pm

re: #42 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Except Hitler spoke positively of Germany’s christian heritage and promoted the idea of an Aryan Christ.

Yep. They actually use the Soviet Union’s atheism more as an arguement though there was that one nut who said seperation of church and state was a concept invented by Hitler.

45 cliffster  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:52:07pm

these people need to a little think

46 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:52:41pm

re: #34 eclectic infidel

Confront and engage the creeping darkness.

re: #40 researchok

I’m not disagreeing.

But that is how it will play out- the persecution of religious people.

re: #40 researchok

I’m not disagreeing.

But that is how it will play out- the persecution of religious people.

then right thinking punchers better start to speak out now

47 allegro  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:55:09pm

One thing that infrequently gets noted is that every time this nonsense comes up again a few more science teachers say “screw this” and leave the profession. It just isn’t worth it.

48 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:55:31pm

The Stupid ERV has obviously been reactivated in these people.

Quick, someone bioengineer an off switch.

49 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:56:12pm

re: #12 darthstar

Creation Physicists? Is that another way of saying “Ignorant fucktards?”

Well, for the sake of brevity and levity, maybe so. In the real world, there are no creation physicists, not that insist that ether is real and that relativity is wrong.

There are creation biologists, and they’re not just characters out of a home for the mentally challenged. They’re quite a bit smarter than the average bear. They’ve got the SAT scores, a mastery of the periodic table, and the USCF ratings to prove it. They are the scientific equivalent of the literary worlds’ “straight A illiterates”. These are the types who get the grammar right, who structure their paragraphs correctly, laying out a thesis, adducing evidence for it, and summarizing a conclusion. Without ever once actually thinking. Such an essay has no soul, no bite, no tang. Its salt has no savor, to steal a biblical metaphor. But that misses the point of the metaphor—-in modern terms, we would say that it looks like salt but is not in fact sodium chloride, and will not perform the metabolic functions for which sodium and chlorine ions are required.

To the multitude who either cannot understand science, or haven’t the time to spare to understand it, this straight A ability to present a coherent rationale, superficially tenable and written well enough to merit a “5” on an AP exam, they are persuasive. Every indicator of merit that resonates with the victim audience signals probity, ability, and truthiness. Whether they know themselves to be frauds or not, frauds they are. But their scam is not to part people from their money, but from their grip on reality. From their ability to participate in national policy making, standing on some firm ground. From their long-range future.

50 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:57:44pm

re: #24 albusteve

time to unleash the hounds on these nutters…start with a volley of scathing mockery followed by a cream pie

Only if the cream pie is well past its best before date and is full of mold.

51 Nick Schroeder  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:58:44pm

Typical LGF Pro-Human-Pig-Hybrid claptrap I’ve grown to expect from you, Charles. :P

52 allegro  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:58:51pm

re: #50 b_sharp

Only if the cream pie is well past its best before date and is full of mold.

A few fat maggots would be a nice spicy addition as well.

53 webevintage  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:01:00pm

re: #45 cliffster

these people need to a little think

We all know what thinking leads too….
/

54 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:01:34pm

Where’s Clarence Darrow when you need him?

55 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:01:48pm

re: #46 albusteve

re: #40 researchok

re: #40 researchok

then right thinking punchers better start to speak out now

No argument from me.

56 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:02:49pm

re: #6 albusteve

gosh, what’s an atheist to do?

///Pray, pray like you have never prayed before!

57 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:03:29pm

re: #50 b_sharp

Only if the cream pie is well past its best before date and is full of mold.

No, no no. You don’t get it. Throwing a fine, well made cream pie is the essence of the joke and the mockery. Throwing garbage at somebody is without class. It’s illegal in a way that throwing good harmless stuff at them isn’t, though both are “assault” if going by the letter of the law.

And to spoil the joke and go all scientific, throwing away real, valuable, nice things that anybody would rather eat than throw signals that you’re serious. There’s no better signal than a signal that carries a cost.

The visceral creamy goodness of a pie has more emotional zip than if some random thing of value that loses its value upon throwing were thrown. The viewer can just taste it, the reader too. How strongly you must feel, to throw that away!

58 Nick Schroeder  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:04:15pm

Downvoting nancy can rest easy tonight, I was being facetious. It’s how I avoid the general feelings of malaise and despair that articles like this bring about.

59 cliffster  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:05:26pm

re: #57 lostlakehiker

I’ll bet your house is very tidy, and your handwriting immaculate.

60 darthstar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:06:27pm

re: #58 Nick Schroeder

Downvoting nancy can rest easy tonight, I was being facetious. It’s how I avoid the general feelings of malaise and despair that articles like this bring about.

I thought it was funny. Pig-human hybrids…everyone knows you only breed people with domesticated animals.

61 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:06:58pm

re: #57 lostlakehiker

No, no no. You don’t get it. Throwing a fine, well made cream pie is the essence of the joke and the mockery. Throwing garbage at somebody is without class. It’s illegal in a way that throwing good harmless stuff at them isn’t, though both are “assault” if going by the letter of the law.

And to spoil the joke and go all scientific, throwing away real, valuable, nice things that anybody would rather eat than throw signals that you’re serious. There’s no better signal than a signal that carries a cost.

The visceral creamy goodness of a pie has more emotional zip than if some random thing of value that loses its value upon throwing were thrown. The viewer can just taste it, the reader too. How strongly you must feel, to throw that away!

Their ideas are past their best before date, they’re archaic, they’ve ‘gone bad’, they’re potentially toxic and will make society ill.

62 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:07:14pm

re: #60 darthstar

I thought it was funny. Pig-human hybrids…everyone knows you only breed people with domesticated animals.

Are sheep domesticated in New Zealand?

63 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:07:39pm

re: #60 darthstar

I thought it was funny. Pig-human hybrids…everyone knows you only breed people with domesticated animals.

And mice!

64 darthstar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:07:51pm

re: #62 Conservative Moonbat

Are sheep domesticated in New Zealand?

No, but they make up half of the student body at universities in Montana.
/

65 darthstar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:08:59pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

And mice!

Mice with functioning human brains! Thank you, Christine O’Donnell. I’m so looking forward to your reality TV show, “Am I Smarter than a Wiccan?”

66 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:09:12pm

re: #30 webevintage

It was just so, damn long.
And the General(?) in charge was just so over the top crazy that I think I found it a bit more humorous then Cameron might have wanted…it became almost a parody of itself.
But it was so very, very pretty…

It was a technical tour de force. That alone earns it several stars. But honestly, carbon fiber reinforced skeleton or not, any creature that is made of matter is going to be messed up big time by the concentrated, on target fire of crew served weapons. The battle scenes are just ridiculous.

And turn it around…with that kind of biological wizardry, from the point of view of the defending planet, why not send swarms of lethal-sting bees, equipped with stingers that can penetrate skin-thick high tech armor? It wouldn’t be a fight at all. The human infantry would be dead in seconds, downed by a cloud of bugs.

67 Kronocide  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:09:24pm

One of these guys is a Democrat? Must be different in swamp country.

68 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:11:18pm

re: #61 b_sharp

Their ideas are past their best before date, they’re archaic, they’ve ‘gone bad’, they’re potentially toxic and will make society ill.

Yes. Yes. Of course. But are we serious or aren’t we? If we’re serious, we mock as best we can. That takes a good cream pie. You can’t mock right if you’re the humorless, bitter sort.

Even humorless, dour me understands that, at least in theory.

69 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:11:40pm

You know where I think this will lead, should they give equal time to teaching creationism? Parents of every religion will demand that their version of creation be given equal time as well, which will then mean that evolution won’t get its share. I know, I know, they only want to teach the Christian version, I’m just sayin’… unintended legal consequences and all that.

Do these yahoos EVER think this stuff through?

70 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:11:59pm

re: #67 BigPapa

One of these guys is a Democrat? Must be different in swamp country.

swamp country is certainly different, but it’s the over riding heritage of the people, not the political party

71 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:12:46pm

re: #51 Nick Schroeder

Typical LGF Pro-Human-Pig-Hybrid claptrap I’ve grown to expect from you, Charles. :P

imma vote for the inclusion of turducken science in biology textbooks

72 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:13:07pm

re: #68 lostlakehiker

Yes. Yes. Of course. But are we serious or aren’t we? If we’re serious, we mock as best we can. That takes a good cream pie. You can’t mock right if you’re the humorless, bitter sort.

Even humorless, dour me understands that, at least in theory.

You’re sucking all the fun out of being bitter.:P

73 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:13:23pm

Oh crickey. Another man has been shot to death by OPD.

74 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:13:34pm

re: #66 lostlakehiker

It was a technical tour de force. That alone earns it several stars. But honestly, carbon fiber reinforced skeleton or not, any creature that is made of matter is going to be messed up big time by the concentrated, on target fire of crew served weapons. The battle scenes are just ridiculous.

And turn it around…with that kind of biological wizardry, from the point of view of the defending planet, why not send swarms of lethal-sting bees, equipped with stingers that can penetrate skin-thick high tech armor? It wouldn’t be a fight at all. The human infantry would be dead in seconds, downed by a cloud of bugs.

Maybe the humans made sure to bring RAID with them…

75 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:13:38pm

re: #69 CuriousLurker

You know where I think this will lead, should they give equal time to teaching creationism? Parents of every religion will demand that their version of creation be given equal time as well, which will then mean that evolution won’t get its share. I know, I know, they only want to teach the Christian version, I’m just sayin’… unintended legal consequences and all that.

Do these yahoos EVER think this stuff through?

with god on their side, they don’t need to….after all, the Rupture is coming sooner than later

76 darthstar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:14:14pm

re: #69 CuriousLurker

You know where I think this will lead, should they give equal time to teaching creationism? Parents of every religion will demand that their version of creation be given equal time as well, which will then mean that evolution won’t get its share. I know, I know, they only want to teach the Christian version, I’m just sayin’… unintended legal consequences and all that.

Do these yahoos EVER think this stuff through?

Of course they don’t. I’m just hoping the LOLcat Bible gets adopted for their curriculum:

Boreded Ceiling Cat makinkgz Urf n stuffs

1 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.

2 Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.

3 At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz.4 An Ceiling Cat sawed teh lite, to seez stuffs, An splitted teh lite from dark but taht wuz ok cuz kittehs can see in teh dark An not tripz over nethin.5 An Ceiling Cat sayed light Day An dark no Day. It were FURST!!!1


[Link: www.lolcatbible.com…]

77 darthstar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:15:03pm

re: #75 albusteve

with god on their side, they don’t need to…after all, the Rupture is coming sooner than later

The Rupture…when the world’s appendix goes floop!

78 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:16:29pm

re: #59 cliffster

I’ll bet your house is very tidy, and your handwriting immaculate.

Oh, you are so, so wrong. On my table there’s an empty coke can, a dozen pens, debris from envelopes and subscription envelopes, a staper, an apple core I’ve not got up to toss, paper, paper, more paper, a canteen that really ought to be put away, floss, scotch tape, two books, some batteries, wait, three books. And so on.

I’m not cut out to throw cream pies. I’d just argue the merits and volley facts at them. But whoever does throw the pie should make absolutely sure that it’s not an assault in any real sense, but really truly a good clean healthy tasty tasteless joke.

79 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:16:47pm

re: #73 eclectic infidel

Oh crickey. Another man has been shot to death by OPD.

never bring a pot scale to a gunfight

80 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:17:15pm

Let us not waste cream pies on creationists. That’s what FRUITCAKES are for!

81 darthstar  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:21:47pm

re: #80 eclectic infidel

Let us not waste cream pies on creationists. That’s what FRUITCAKES are for!

My mother makes the best 103 kiloton fruitcake.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:21:53pm

re: #73 eclectic infidel

Oh crickey. Another man has been shot to death by OPD.

Damnit.

83 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:23:54pm

re: #81 darthstar

My mother makes the best 103 kiloton fruitcake.

The wife just finished making three last night. They’re now soaking in rum.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:23:54pm

re: #81 darthstar

My mother makes the best 103 kiloton fruitcake.

Every year, my MIL’s partner, the lady who died this fall, would have us sent a fruitcake from some place in Texas she liked.

My husband would eat them out of the tin with his hands, because, well, I don’t like fruitcake, so why wouldn’t he?

This year, he was looking at fruitcake in the grocery store, and I was teasing him, and he said, “With MIL2 gone, I don’t think we’ll get one this year, so maybe we should buy our own.”

I gotta order a fruitcake from that place in Texas.

85 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:25:15pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

Every year, my MIL’s partner, the lady who died this fall, would have us sent a fruitcake from some place in Texas she liked.

My husband would eat them out of the tin with his hands, because, well, I don’t like fruitcake, so why wouldn’t he?

This year, he was looking at fruitcake in the grocery store, and I was teasing him, and he said, “With MIL2 gone, I don’t think we’ll get one this year, so maybe we should buy our own.”

I gotta order a fruitcake from that place in Texas.

Now I be sad.

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:26:39pm

re: #85 b_sharp

Now I be sad.

Me too. This is going to be hard.

And MIL1 is having a real hard time of it. And is refusing to move to TN to stay with my SIL, which was the original plan.

87 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:26:57pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

I think there are far more bad fruitcakes made then there are good ones.

88 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:27:52pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

Me too. This is going to be hard.

And MIL1 is having a real hard time of it. And is refusing to move to TN to stay with my SIL, which was the original plan.

Give her time.

89 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:28:16pm

re: #69 CuriousLurker

Curious, what do you make of this?

Muslim Group Advises Women Wearing Hijabs to Allow TSA ‘Enhanced Pat Downs’ Only on Head and Neck Area

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has issued a travel warning to Muslim airline passengers on U.S. aircraft in response to the Transportation Safety Administration’s “enhanced pat down” policy that went into effect in late October.

CAIR said Muslims who object to full-body scans for religious reasons should know their rights if they are required to undergo a pat-down, including asking for the procedure to be done in a private place. In addition, CAIR offered a “special recommendation” for Muslim women who wear a hijab, telling them they should tell the TSA officer that they may be searched only around the head and neck.

90 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:28:16pm

re: #81 darthstar

My mother makes the best 103 kiloton fruitcake.

I used to think jokes about fruitcakes and their density were just some leftover Vaudevillian shtick until I actually saw one. Douglas Adams might suggest that there is a holiday fruitcake at the center of the Milky Way.

91 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:28:26pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

There are also Trappist monks down on the Big Sur coast at New Camoldoli, and they make a dynamite fruit cake too.

92 Kronocide  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:29:10pm

re: #73 eclectic infidel

Oh crickey. Another man has been shot to death by OPD.

And in the second paragraph the lawyer for Oscar Grant/Mehserle Shooting is quoted…. color me cynical.

93 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:29:38pm

re: #89 researchok

Hang on, let me go read it…

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:29:45pm

re: #89 researchok

Curious, what do you make of this?

Muslim Group Advises Women Wearing Hijabs to Allow TSA ‘Enhanced Pat Downs’ Only on Head and Neck Area

I think that TSA is probably not going to sign on to this recommendation. Not to cast suspicion on grandmas in hijab, but there are more places to put stuff that you’re not supposed to take on a plane in the rest of your clothes than in your head and neck area.

95 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:30:01pm

re: #89 researchok

Curious, what do you make of this?

Muslim Group Advises Women Wearing Hijabs to Allow TSA ‘Enhanced Pat Downs’ Only on Head and Neck Area

The first half of that is personally reasonable (telling them what rights they have), but are the rest of us only allowed to be searched around the head and neck as well? Because otherwise what makes them so special?

96 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:30:53pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

The first half of that is personally reasonable (telling them what rights they have), but are the rest of us only allowed to be searched around the head and neck as well? Because otherwise what makes them so special?

Religious freedom.

97 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:31:48pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

The first half of that is personally reasonable (telling them what rights they have), but are the rest of us only allowed to be searched around the head and neck as well? Because otherwise what makes them so special?

multi culti!

98 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:32:40pm

re: #89 researchok

Given the state of the airlines, plus the hassles of the TSA, I can’t begin to understand why anyone would voluntarily fly anywhere for any reason.

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:32:59pm

re: #96 b_sharp

Religious freedom.

I don’t get it. If you need to get patted down by TSA, doesn’t that include a full-body pat-down, if the option is a full-body scan?

(Thinking, now, for some reason, of a dear friend who spent two hours in a small, windowless room at Heathrow airport, before a bright British Air employee asked if American bras had metal in them.)

100 FQ Kafir  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:33:53pm
Charles Darwin and his theory is a saint. You can’t touch it.”

Because it doesn’t need touching. It’s fine just like it is. Leave it alone.

These people are going in exactly the wrong direction.

101 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:35:43pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t get it. If you need to get patted down by TSA, doesn’t that include a full-body pat-down, if the option is a full-body scan?

(Thinking, now, for some reason, of a dear friend who spent two hours in a small, windowless room at Heathrow airport, before a bright British Air employee asked if American bras had metal in them.)

next up….OBGYN’s for the females

102 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:36:09pm

A hidden computer database? Say it isn’t so, Sheriff Joe![Link: www.azcentral.com…]

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:36:26pm

re: #101 albusteve

next up…OBGYN’s for the females

Ya wanna hear what the males are getting?

//

104 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:36:53pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

Every year, my MIL’s partner, the lady who died this fall, would have us sent a fruitcake from some place in Texas she liked.

My husband would eat them out of the tin with his hands, because, well, I don’t like fruitcake, so why wouldn’t he?

This year, he was looking at fruitcake in the grocery store, and I was teasing him, and he said, “With MIL2 gone, I don’t think we’ll get one this year, so maybe we should buy our own.”

I gotta order a fruitcake from that place in Texas.

Order the fruitcake.

Every year, we get a catalog from Hickory Farms.

While my husband’s grandfather was alive, we would send him a basket “from the kids” because that ornery old cuss wouldn’t take anything from us. The kids? Anything.

I get sad when I see the catalog.

105 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:37:39pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t get it. If you need to get patted down by TSA, doesn’t that include a full-body pat-down, if the option is a full-body scan?

(Thinking, now, for some reason, of a dear friend who spent two hours in a small, windowless room at Heathrow airport, before a bright British Air employee asked if American bras had metal in them.)

It seems to me that religious conventions frequently supersede secular rules.

106 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:38:15pm

re: #105 b_sharp

It seems to me that religious conventions frequently supersede secular rules.

In America?

107 cliffster  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:38:16pm

re: #78 lostlakehiker

hehe, well it’s good to know you’ve got everything sorted out when pie throwing is concerned.

108 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:38:20pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

Ya wanna hear what the males are getting?

//

No.

It hurts just thinking about it.

109 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:39:08pm

re: #101 albusteve

next up…OBGYN’s for the females

Can we get a prescription and a few tests out of it?

110 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:39:24pm

re: #100 FQ Kafir

Because it doesn’t need touching. It’s fine just like it is. Leave it alone.

These people are going in exactly the wrong direction.

The funny thing is - and they’d know this if they knew the first thing about how the process of science is actually conducted - “Darwin and his theory” have had the hell touched out of them in the 150 years since On the Origin of Species was published. It’s been touched and groped and poked and prodded like the only woman on a pirate ship (or a 9 year old girl who just set off the metal detector at LAX, if we wish to stay topical).

111 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:39:43pm

re: #89 researchok

Watch out for the torpedos. Torpedos can pack a real punch, do a lot of damage.

We live in an insane PC world.

112 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:40:28pm

re: #104 EmmmieG

And I should add that he liked his grandfather ornery, and grinned when Grandpa cussed him out, and keeps trying to edge his way into becoming Grandpa.

I told him he can when he’s 70.

113 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:43:49pm

re: #104 EmmmieG

Order the fruitcake.

Every year, we get a catalog from Hickory Farms.

While my husband’s grandfather was alive, we would send him a basket “from the kids” because that ornery old cuss wouldn’t take anything from us. The kids? Anything.

I get sad when I see the catalog.

I am by no means a “survivalist”. OK I do keep candles, bottled water & caned food handy… but I also keep a few fruit cakes in the back of the closet, you know, just in case.

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:44:11pm

re: #105 b_sharp

It seems to me that religious conventions frequently supersede secular rules.

When it comes to airline security?

115 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:44:17pm

Given the usual flexibility and humor of the TSA, I imagine that any woman who refuses a pat down is going to miss her flight, regardless of her religion.

116 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:44:46pm

re: #109 EmmmieG

Can we get a prescription and a few tests out of it?

“Thank you for flying with ParanoiaAir, and your Pap smear is negative. Have a nice day!

117 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:45:34pm

re: #113 brookly red

I am by no means a “survivalist”. OK I do keep candles, bottled water & caned food handy… but I also keep a few fruit cakes in the back of the closet, you know, just in case.

In anticipation of melee combat?

118 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:45:36pm

Glad to drop in for a few minutes, but now I have to go to a meeting I’d rather not attend.

Have fun without me.

119 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:45:38pm

re: #115 EmmmieG

Given the usual flexibility and humor of the TSA, I imagine that any woman who refuses a pat down is going to miss her flight, regardless of her religion.

she should….it’s one or the other
otherwise stay home and get outa the way

120 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:45:47pm

re: #89 researchok

I’m not clear on where they got this from:

In addition, CAIR offered a “special recommendation” for Muslim women who wear a hijab, telling them they should tell the TSA officer that they may be searched only around the head and neck.

Who made the “special recommendation”? That’s not going to work.

From the article:

“It is TSA’s policy that passengers should be screened by an officer of the same gender in a professional, respectful manner,” the policy reads.

I generally wouldn’t have a problem with the enhanced pat-down if it’s done in private by someone of the same gender, EXCEPT…

From the CAIR page the article links to:

The enhanced pat-down involves a much more intrusive manual search of passengers’ bodies by TSA officers. Passengers who have undergone the new pat-down procedure have reported feeling humiliated by a search they describe as invasive and that has involved TSA officers touching the face and hair, the groin area and buttocks, and in between and underneath breasts.

I’d definitely have a problem with that. If that was the case, I simply wouldn’t fly unless it was a matter of life & death (as that would trump the modesty rules).

From the article:

“It is a violation of clear Islamic teaching that men or women be seen naked by other men and women,” the ruling states. “Islam highly emphasizes haya (modesty) and considers it part of the faith. The Qu’ran has commanded the believers, both men and women, to cover their private parts.”

This is true. A full body scan is out, regardless of the gender of the scanner.

121 bratwurst  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:45:48pm

re: #111 Ojoe

We live in an insane PC world.

Not me…I have a Mac!

122 calochortus  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:45:56pm

Hi all.

I gotta say, it never ceases to amaze me how very limited some people’s view of an all powerful deity is. And how fractured their world view is as well-new antibiotics needed for a new bacterium? Bring it on. Organisms you can see with the naked eye changing? Never!

123 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:46:01pm

re: #111 Ojoe

Watch out for the torpedos. Torpedos can pack a real punch, do a lot of damage.

We live in an insane PC world.

damn the torpedoes…

124 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:46:24pm

re: #106 prairiefire

In America?

Yes. Churches don’t pay taxes. People can opt out of fighting in wars if their religion forbids it. Students can opt out of classes because of religious beliefs. If I remember correctly, there are some communities where being an atheist disqualifies you from public office.

There are quite a few little things where religion is considered above the non-religious.

125 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:46:39pm

re: #91 Ojoe

I think the place is “New Camaldoli,” spelled like that.
(monks with fruitcakes)


(New Camaldoli website. Will start with audio of chanting.)

And, tonight’s towercam sunset, San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.

BBL

126 cliffster  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:46:45pm

re: #109 EmmmieG

Can we get a prescription and a few tests out of it?

careful what you ask for. airport mammograms, anyone? gentlemen, turn your head and cough

127 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:47:39pm

re: #113 brookly red

I am by no means a “survivalist”. OK I do keep candles, bottled water & caned food handy… but I also keep a few fruit cakes in the back of the closet, you know, just in case.

Weapons, just like Dwarf bread.

128 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:47:47pm

re: #117 negativ

In anticipation of melee combat?

You have to bash an intruder’s teeth out?

129 calochortus  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:47:58pm

re: #124 b_sharp

Yes. Churches don’t pay taxes. People can opt out of fighting in wars if their religion forbids it. Students can opt out of classes because of religious beliefs. If I remember correctly, there are some communities where being an atheist disqualifies you from public office.

There are quite a few little things where religion is considered above the non-religious.

Yes, but requiring a religion to hold office is unconstitutional. As a practical matter, it is true for most public offices above the level of dog catcher.

130 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:48:42pm

re: #117 negativ

In anticipation of melee combat?

a slice of fruitcake in a tube sock is what actually killed Goliath…

there, know you know the truth.

131 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:49:05pm

re: #126 cliffster

It is a good thing the shoe bomber did not carry his charge in his underpants.

Oh wait.

BBL really.

132 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:49:55pm

re: #129 calochortus

Yes, but requiring a religion to hold office is unconstitutional. As a practical matter, it is true for most public offices above the level of dog catcher.

So what are the odds of an atheist POTUS being elected to office in this century?

133 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:50:04pm

re: #131 Ojoe

It is a good thing the shoe bomber did not carry his charge in his underpants.

Oh wait.

BBL really.

I think he may have established for all time that that is more dangerous to the underpants-wearer than those around the underpants-wearer.

134 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:50:33pm

re: #128 prairiefire

You have to bash an intruder’s teeth out?

no I have a #11 wrench for that…

135 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:50:47pm

re: #132 eclectic infidel

Well not one who says he is. I think we could have a functional atheist at this point however.

136 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:51:12pm

re: #124 b_sharp

Yes. Churches don’t pay taxes. People can opt out of fighting in wars if their religion forbids it. Students can opt out of classes because of religious beliefs. If I remember correctly, there are some communities where being an atheist disqualifies you from public office.

There are quite a few little things where religion is considered above the non-religious.


Some communities include the states of Arizona, Maryland, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.

Happily, the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution nullifies those laws:


“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.”

Or at least it does until they repeal it.

137 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:51:22pm

Late coming into this thread, but there’s something worth mentioning here.

The Louisiana Family Forum was founded by current Family Research Council President Tony “I get my mailing lists from David Duke” Perkins. Their ties to the AFA and FRC are well-documented.

138 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:51:24pm

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

What a burn.

Ah, BBL. I will try anyhow.

139 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:51:29pm

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

When it comes to airline security?

Is the Pope searched and subject to the same security as you or me? How about a Cardinal, or a Monk like the Dalai Lama?

140 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:52:05pm

re: #132 eclectic infidel

So what are the odds of an atheist POTUS being elected to office in this century?

after BO, anything is possible

141 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:52:45pm

re: #139 b_sharp

Is the Pope searched and subject to the same security as you or me? How about a Cardinal, or a Monk like the Dalai Lama?

What about a nun on her way to conference on nursing?

142 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:52:49pm

re: #121 bratwurst

Not me…I have a Mac!

yuppy scum

143 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:52:51pm

re: #140 albusteve

Ridi Obamaccio

144 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:53:20pm

re: #135 Ojoe

Well not one who says he is. I think we could have a functional atheist at this point however.

Exactly. The moment the person is honest, it’ll be all over for him/her.

145 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:53:29pm

re: #139 b_sharp

Turn up the heat & fly naked.

146 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:53:54pm

re: #145 Ojoe

Turn up the heat & fly naked.

then fly united!

147 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:54:07pm

re: #132 eclectic infidel

So what are the odds of an atheist POTUS being elected to office in this century?

An honest and open atheist? Probably pretty poor.

148 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:55:23pm

re: #139 b_sharp

Is the Pope searched and subject to the same security as you or me? How about a Cardinal, or a Monk like the Dalai Lama?

I don’t want to think about what the Chinese gov would do to the Dalai Lama if they could get their hands on him.

The most overt religious exception I see are the little Jehovah Witness kids at my kids’ school who don’t participate in parties or celebrations of anything. They still have to meet equal academic requirements.

149 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:55:29pm

SFZ, do you happen to know what the Orthodox Jewish position would be on the full body scanner/enhanced pat-down thing? Just curious.

150 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:55:53pm

re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist

What about a nun on her way to conference on nursing?

I don’t know, you tell me.

151 calochortus  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:56:24pm

re: #132 eclectic infidel

So what are the odds of an atheist POTUS being elected to office in this century?

A century is a long time, but I’d say in the next 50 years or so it is extremely unlikely. People suffer from the misconception that religion is what keeps people living a moral life, therefore you simply can’t trust an atheist.

152 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:56:33pm

re: #145 Ojoe

Turn up the heat & fly naked.

I have problem with that.

153 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:56:47pm

re: #146 albusteve

then fly united!

Nor that.

154 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:57:39pm

re: #149 CuriousLurker

SFZ, do you happen to know what the Orthodox Jewish position would be on the full body scanner/enhanced pat-down thing? Just curious.

I have seen Jewish women go into a private room for a full pat down.

I suspect pragmatism rules the day.

155 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:57:59pm

re: #152 b_sharp

I have problem with that.

I have no problem with that.

156 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:58:22pm

re: #152 b_sharp

I have problem with that.

I can just see your sorry ass standing there at the carousel waiting for your clothes to come out…

157 calochortus  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:59:18pm

re: #145 Ojoe

Turn up the heat & fly naked.

Maybe that would help with the increase in obesity…

158 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 4:59:49pm

re: #156 brookly red

I can just see your sorry ass standing there at the carousel waiting for your clothes to come out…

Hey, it’s not my fault, it’s cold in here!

159 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:00:14pm

re: #157 calochortus

Yes it sure would.

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:00:54pm

re: #149 CuriousLurker

SFZ, do you happen to know what the Orthodox Jewish position would be on the full body scanner/enhanced pat-down thing? Just curious.

Honestly, I don’t know. I think it would be acceptable to most, as long as it was a same-sex viewer or patter, and I myself would consider it appropriate since the intention is to save lives.

I don’t know, however, what, say, a Satmar take on the whole thing would be.

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:01:06pm

re: #150 b_sharp

I don’t know, you tell me.

I think she gets searched like everyone else.

162 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:01:29pm

re: #158 b_sharp

Hey, it’s not my fault, it’s cold in here!

OK, but please refrain from greeting the children…

163 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:01:54pm

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

Honestly, I don’t know. I think it would be acceptable to most, as long as it was a same-sex viewer or patter, and I myself would consider it appropriate since the intention is to save lives.

I don’t know, however, what, say, a Satmar take on the whole thing would be.

I would prefer an opposite sex patter downer.

164 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:02:25pm

re: #7 researchok

When their kids can’t get into university or function there and they realize their schooling resembles that of a third world nation, change- and sanity, will return to Louisiana.

So in about twelve years, then.

We can’t afford to wait that long.

165 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:02:53pm

Speaking of pat downs, a relative of mine was once randomly pulled out of a line at an airport for luggage inspection. He described it as a SNAFU affair because he was traveling with his spouse, daughter, nephew and son-in-law and they were trying to catch a flight home. His spouse had the keys to the luggage so the TSA agents broke the locks and according to him, ransacked the luggage, dumping everything out. When he objected to it, he was taken to another room that had armed guards and he was then questioned on his whereabouts, destination, etc.

Why the fuck does the TSA have this kind of authority? This relative has no criminal history, and is an army veteran.

166 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:02:59pm

re: #163 b_sharp

I would prefer an opposite sex patter downer.

It could be part of your religion to require that.

167 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:03:19pm

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

I think she gets searched like everyone else.

I wish we would employ more dogs… bring in the dogs

168 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:03:19pm

re: #162 brookly red

OK, but please refrain from greeting the children…

Hey there Billy, would you like a candy?

169 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:03:30pm

re: #132 eclectic infidel

So what are the odds of an atheist POTUS being elected to office in this century?

Atheists identified as America’s most distrusted minority

Obliquely related:

Atheist ministers struggle with leading the faithful

170 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:04:13pm

re: #166 Ojoe

It could be part of your religion to require that.

Best idea I’ve heard all day.

171 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:04:27pm

re: #167 brookly red

Boston Terriers would be excellent TSA Dogs, would liven up the place.

172 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:04:31pm

re: #168 b_sharp

Hey there Billy, would you like a candy?

you are a Senator aren’t you?

173 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:05:04pm

re: #170 b_sharp

“Increase & Multiply.”

174 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:05:25pm

re: #172 brookly red

you are a Senator aren’t you?

I just play one on TV.

175 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:06:34pm
176 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:06:42pm

re: #164 Obdicut

So in about twelve years, then.

We can’t afford to wait that long.

I blame Jindal.

How can an elected leader (even a religious whack job like him) facilitate the loss of a generation of kids?

177 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:06:52pm

re: #169 negativ

Atheists identified as America’s most distrusted minority

Obliquely related:

Atheist ministers struggle with leading the faithful

Yeah. I remember reading the report with respect to the first link.

With regard to the second, that is rough. This quote resonates with me though:

“Reading the Bible is what led me not to believe in God,” he said.
178 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:07:24pm

A note for any African-American mail carriers out there - If you are assaulted by a crazed person who slaps you and goes on a racist tirade (and you have recorded video evidence), you may very well be fired for it.

Caught on camera: Woman’s vile racist rant at black postman (but HE was fired)

A black postman who secretly filmed a customer as she slapped him then called him a ‘n*****’ has been fired from his job.
The unnamed woman brands the mail carrier a ‘f****** n****** thief’ then threatens to lock him up for life because he will not give her a delivery card back.
During a vile four-minute rant she tells him blacks are more stupid than whites before leaning into the cab of his delivery van and repeatedly slapping him.
[…]
‘Do you want me to lock you up for life you a******’ she says and adds: ‘I’m not prejudiced but right now I’m getting real pissed off.’
Asked why she used such an insult, the woman replies: ‘Because you’re
acting like a n*****’.
The postman asks: ‘Why did you call me the N-name?’ She replies: ‘Because you’re acting like a moron. Call me a n***** if you like I
don’t care’.
The postman remains calm but becomes increasingly exasperated and says he has to leave to deliver other customers’ mail.
The woman replies: ‘They’ll kill you…the white people. For not doing
what I need you to do right now.
‘You n*****s turn on each other, you’re stupid. I’m not hurting you,
you’re hurting me. I’m standing out here in the cold in my socks trying to get my card back..I don’t believe you’re doing this to me.’
The footage temporarily cuts out as the woman leans in then slaps the postman. She then launches into a sick attempt to ‘educate’ the postman about his ethnicity.
‘The black women are against the black men because they’ve been
exploited so much…they work against black men underneath it all,’
she says.
‘You’re going to turn on me. Your IQs are lower so the people you need
to help you you don’t believe in…my mother taught at a black school. I taught at a black school, all the IQs were lower’.

The woman was investigated by local police and not charged.

179 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:07:28pm

re: #165 eclectic infidel

Why the fuck does the TSA have this kind of authority? This relative has no criminal history, and is an army veteran.

Because (possibly not in the correct order):
1. As a society, we have willingly institutionalized fear and cowardice.
2. Osama won the war on 9/12/01.

180 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:07:35pm

re: #176 researchok

I blame Jindal.

How can an elected leader (even a religious whack job like him) facilitate the loss of a generation of kids?

they are not ‘lost’ yet….slow down

181 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:07:52pm

re: #171 Ojoe

Boston Terriers would be excellent TSA Dogs, would liven up the place.

I would trust Terrier before I would trust a million dollar gadget with a questionable person monitoring it…

182 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:08:06pm

re: #176 researchok

I blame Jindal.

How can an elected leader (even a religious whack job like him) facilitate the loss of a generation of kids?

Because the Religious Right have steadily worked at increasing their power for almost 30 years now.

183 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:08:26pm

Boston Terrier surfing wipeout.
Dog-a-bunga!

184 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:08:50pm

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

Honestly, I don’t know. I think it would be acceptable to most, as long as it was a same-sex viewer or patter, and I myself would consider it appropriate since the intention is to save lives.

I don’t know, however, what, say, a Satmar take on the whole thing would be.

I saw a Hasidic woman in the exact scenario you describe. She went with a female TSA officer into a private room.

No big deal was made.

185 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:08:50pm

re: #174 b_sharp

I just play one on TV.

they all do…

186 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:08:59pm

“Reading the Bible is what led me not to believe in God,” he said.

odd, reading the Bible had the opposite effect on me….gimme an old Archie anyday

187 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:10:23pm

re: #186 albusteve

“Reading the Bible is what led me not to believe in God,” he said.

odd, reading the Bible had the opposite effect on me…gimme an old Archie anyday

misread that…after reading the Bible, I knew I was okay…

188 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:10:24pm

re: #179 negativ

Because (possibly not in the correct order):
1. As a society, we have willingly institutionalized fear and cowardice.
2. Osama won the war on 9/12/01.

ouch…

189 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:10:36pm

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

Honestly, I don’t know. I think it would be acceptable to most, as long as it was a same-sex viewer or patter, and I myself would consider it appropriate since the intention is to save lives.

I don’t know, however, what, say, a Satmar take on the whole thing would be.

Interesting. I hadn’t thought of it from the saving lives perspective, although that’s obviously what it’s intended to do.

I suppose if a well respected Islamic scholar ruled that it was okay, some women might do it (especially if it was to go on Hajj). Overall though, I think many would avoid it. I know I would—I’m not keen on anyone getting in my personal space, much less groping me or looking through my clothes with a body scanner.

Then again, I haven’t been in a plane since 1997, so it’s mostly a non-issue for me.

190 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:13:10pm

re: #178 RadicalModerate

A note for any African-American mail carriers out there - If you are assaulted by a crazed person who slaps you and goes on a racist tirade (and you have recorded video evidence), you may very well be fired for it.

Caught on camera: Woman’s vile racist rant at black postman (but HE was fired)

The woman was investigated by local police and not charged.

The world is fucking upside down.

191 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:13:28pm

next up from the TSA’s bag of tricks….analyze this

192 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:16:09pm

re: #179 negativ

Because (possibly not in the correct order):
1. As a society, we have willingly institutionalized fear and cowardice.
2. Osama won the war on 9/12/01.

1. terrorist incident on airplane
2. restrict privacy rights, relating this measure vaguely to terrorist attack
3. institute more intrusive security screenings for airline travellers
4. wait for americans to forget that they ever had more privacy
5. ???

193 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:17:55pm

re: #191 albusteve

next up from the TSA’s bag of tricks…analyze this


[Video]

we neutralized the Soviet threat with deterrence… just a thought.

194 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:20:07pm

re: #193 brookly red

we neutralized the Soviet threat with deterrence… just a thought.

spending them into submission which reduced their economy to ruins didn’t hurt the cause either.

195 cliffster  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:20:10pm

Just chill out and let the TSA take care of you, they know what they’re doing. First and foremost, check ID. Many a terrorist plot was foiled because they couldn’t get a good fake ID. Next, only people with boarding passes get through to the gates. Can’t have a friend along to the gates for last-minute terror plotting. Rest easy.

196 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:20:11pm

re: #190 b_sharp

The world is fucking upside down.

Indeed.

197 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:20:11pm

re: #192 engineer dog

1. terrorist incident on airplane
2. restrict privacy rights, relating this measure vaguely to terrorist attack
3. institute more intrusive security screenings for airline travellers
4. wait for americans to forget that they ever had more privacy
5. ???

5. use the IRS to subdue the populace

198 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:20:25pm

re: #193 brookly red

we neutralized the Soviet threat with deterrence… just a thought.

The Soviet Union neutralized itself.

The best you can say is they spent themselves broke on weapons.

199 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:21:13pm

re: #169 negativ

Atheist ministers struggle with leading the faithful

He and Jack said that when speaking to parishioners, they tried to stick to the sections of the Bible that they still believed in — the parts about being a good person

funny, that’s the part that i believe in, too

200 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:21:59pm

re: #197 albusteve

5. use the IRS to subdue the populace

Fluoridate the water!

201 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:22:07pm

re: #197 albusteve

5. use the IRS to subdue the populace

Now my advice to those who die…

Declare the pennies on your eyes….

202 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:22:13pm

re: #192 engineer dog

The most efficient response in my opinion would have been a “disproportionate” one in late 2001, and it would have been over.

Now we have these lingering effects, and it is no way for a free people to live.

But that is just my opinion.

203 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:22:47pm

re: #193 brookly red

we neutralized the Soviet threat with deterrence… just a thought.

that’s how we defeated communist china, also… um…

204 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:23:11pm

re: #202 Ojoe

The most efficient response in my opinion would have been a “disproportionate” one in late 2001, and it would have been over.

Now we have these lingering effects, and it is no way for a free people to live.

But that is just my opinion.

What does a “disproportionate” response mean exactly?

205 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:23:14pm

re: #202 Ojoe

The most efficient response in my opinion would have been a “disproportionate” one in late 2001, and it would have been over.

Now we have these lingering effects, and it is no way for a free people to live.

But that is just my opinion.

A “disproportionate” response against whom?

206 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:23:19pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Fluoridate the water!

well, they subdued me a couple of times

207 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:24:04pm

re: #202 Ojoe

The most efficient response in my opinion would have been a “disproportionate” one in late 2001, and it would have been over.

Now we have these lingering effects, and it is no way for a free people to live.

But that is just my opinion.

“disproportionate”

sounds to me like you wanted to nuke somebody. ??? how would this have helped?

208 webevintage  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:24:09pm

re: #102 prairiefire

A hidden computer database? Say it isn’t so, Sheriff Joe![Link: www.azcentral.com…]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

209 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:24:14pm

Against the wahabbi.

But that is as far as I’m going to take this.

210 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:24:34pm

re: #198 b_sharp

The Soviet Union neutralized itself.

The best you can say is they spent themselves broke on weapons.

Exactly. They could not deal with the if you do that, we will do this equation.

We should offer the same to our challengers,,,

211 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:24:56pm

re: #207 engineer dog

Not nuke, no way on that.

212 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:25:05pm

re: #209 Ojoe

Against the wahabbi.

But that is as far as I’m going to take this.

So what we should have nuked Iraq/Afghanistan?

213 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:25:23pm

re: #211 Ojoe

Not nuke, no way on that.

Then what did you intend exactly?

214 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:25:44pm

re: #189 CuriousLurker

Interesting. I hadn’t thought of it from the saving lives perspective, although that’s obviously what it’s intended to do.

I suppose if a well respected Islamic scholar ruled that it was okay, some women might do it (especially if it was to go on Hajj). Overall though, I think many would avoid it. I know I would—I’m not keen on anyone getting in my personal space, much less groping me or looking through my clothes with a body scanner.

Then again, I haven’t been in a plane since 1997, so it’s mostly a non-issue for me.

I think the Christmas Day underwear bomber guy has pretty much set the tone, at least for a while.

Same thing happened with Richard Reid, the shoe bomber.

Ah, the world we live in.

215 webevintage  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:26:08pm

re: #178 RadicalModerate

A note for any African-American mail carriers out there - If you are assaulted by a crazed person who slaps you and goes on a racist tirade (and you have recorded video evidence), you may very well be fired for it.

Caught on camera: Woman’s vile racist rant at black postman (but HE was fired)

The woman was investigated by local police and not charged.

And I guess this gets a WTF? and that is one crazy ass racist rant.

(but I assume he got fired for putting the tape on YouTube)

216 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:26:52pm

re: #203 engineer dog

that’s how we defeated communist china, also… um…

China is not trying to take down our airliners…

217 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:27:02pm

re: #180 albusteve

they are not ‘lost’ yet…slow down

I hope you are right. I really, really do.

218 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:27:06pm

re: #192 engineer dog

1. terrorist incident on airplane
2. restrict privacy rights, relating this measure vaguely to terrorist attack
3. institute more intrusive security screenings for airline travellers
4. wait for americans to forget that they ever had more privacy
5. ???

AQ need never succeed in an attack against us ever again, and they’ll be just as effective as if they had.

Some guy tries to light his shoe bomb: now your shoes get the once-over.
Threat of liquid explosives: no more tiny shampoo bottles for you.
Underwear bomb: electronic strip search and genital grope by government employee.
And now I guaran-damn-tee you that if you try to airmail someone a used Laserjet 3, it’s not going to arrive at its destination in one piece.

Never mind that none of those techniques are ever going to be tried again, ever.

If I were a terrorist and really wanted to fuck things up, I would make sure my plots failed and got discovered as often as possible. I would create bombs in the shape of diapers. I’d make eyeglasses bombs, hearing aid bombs, artificial hip bombs, bombs that look like boarding tickets. By manipulating several ways in which the security apparatus would predictably react in the dumbest way possible, I think it would be entirely possible to pretty much bring mass transit and any form of cargo shipping to a practical bureaucratic stand-still.

219 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:27:40pm

re: #213 jamesfirecat

I would have gone after Wahabbi religious centers, and with plenty, plenty, plenty of warning.

And I would have said to the Islamic world, “Find your reformer.”

Anyway that’s it for now.

220 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:27:59pm

re: #215 webevintage

And I guess this gets a WTF? and that is one crazy ass racist rant.

(but I assume he got fired for putting the tape on YouTube)

He didn’t post the tape on Youtube until after he was fired - he states in the story also that he still hasn’t found out why he was discharged.

221 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:28:56pm

re: #219 Ojoe

I would have gone after Wahabbi religious centers, and with plenty, plenty, plenty of warning.

And I would have said to the Islamic world, “Find your reformer.”

Anyway that’s it for now.

So you’d suggest we attack our “ally” Saudi Arabia for example?

If you didn’t want to discuss your opinions you shouldn’t have brought them to the table.

222 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:29:12pm

re: #216 brookly red

China is not trying to take down our airliners…

Like the airliner the US took down?

223 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:29:14pm

re: #216 brookly red

China is not trying to take down our airliners…

worse - they’re stealing all our factories

224 webevintage  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:29:38pm

re: #220 RadicalModerate

He didn’t post the tape on Youtube until after he was fired - he states in the story also that he still hasn’t found out why he was discharged.

ahhhh, thanks, my bad for reading so fast.
I’m reading here and watching the latest South Park Cthulhu episode at the same time.

225 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:30:05pm

re: #223 engineer dog

worse - they’re stealing all our factories

well no we are giving it to them. big dif.

226 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:30:52pm

re: #218 negativ

AQ need never succeed in an attack against us ever again, and they’ll be just as effective as if they had.

Some guy tries to light his shoe bomb: now your shoes get the once-over.
Threat of liquid explosives: no more tiny shampoo bottles for you.
Underwear bomb: electronic strip search and genital grope by government employee.
And now I guaran-damn-tee you that if you try to airmail someone a used Laserjet 3, it’s not going to arrive at its destination in one piece.

Never mind that none of those techniques are ever going to be tried again, ever.

If I were a terrorist and really wanted to fuck things up, I would make sure my plots failed and got discovered as often as possible. I would create bombs in the shape of diapers. I’d make eyeglasses bombs, hearing aid bombs, artificial hip bombs, bombs that look like boarding tickets. By manipulating several ways in which the security apparatus would predictably react in the dumbest way possible, I think it would be entirely possible to pretty much bring mass transit and any form of cargo shipping to a practical bureaucratic stand-still.

The AQ has let loose the spectre of paranoia - western cultures are running scared.

227 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:32:01pm

re: #226 b_sharp

The AQ has let loose the spectre of paranoia - western cultures are running scared.

Terrorism doesn’t actually have to kill or injure anyone. The point is the terror.

228 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:33:10pm

I have just been informed that I must either pick up the pizza, or sleep on the couch… I guess we can discuss the use of force later.

229 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:33:44pm

the difference in fighting terrorists is that they don’t all live together in the country of terroristiana, wearing terroristian uniforms

this means that “just killing them all” is not a practical proposition

230 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:33:52pm

re: #227 wozzablog

Terrorism doesn’t actually have to kill or injure anyone. The point is the terror.

BOO!

231 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:34:41pm

re: #221 jamesfirecat

So you’d suggest we attack our “ally” Saudi Arabia for example?

If you didn’t want to discuss your opinions you shouldn’t have brought them to the table.

bullshit….make your own rules for yourself

232 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:34:44pm

re: #230 brookly red

BOO!

I just crapped my pants.

233 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:34:49pm

re: #225 brookly red

well no we are giving it to them. big dif.

who is this “we” you are talking about? it ain’t me

234 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:35:30pm

re: #229 engineer dog

the difference in fighting terrorists is that they don’t all live together in the country of terroristiana, wearing terroristian uniforms

this means that “just killing them all” is not a practical proposition

well then again if they had no team to support… oh but that is harsh, & I must pick up the pizza.

235 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:36:45pm

re: #220 RadicalModerate

Just found this on the Boston Globe, and it appears that the USPS is attempting to cover its tracks:

Mailman who taped Hingham woman making racist comments was not fired, official says

HINGHAM – A former mailman who was allegedly slapped and subjected to a racist rant by a local resident was not fired as a result of the incident, officials at the US Postal Service said today.

Police said the letter carrier, Hugson Jean, 48, of Roslindale, who apparently posted video clips of the incident on YouTube that have been watched by more than 100,000 people, ultimately decided not to press charges against the woman, whom police identified as 60-year-old Erika Winchester.

The videos attracted attention this week after they were posted on websites including Gawker The Huffington Post, and The Smoking Gun. Some of the reports suggested Jean was fired as a result of the incident.

But Christine Dugas, a spokeswoman for the US Postal Service’s Office of the Southeast New England District in Providence, said Jean was a temporary letter carrier who had been hired to work from February through November 2009.

“His length of employment with the Postal Service had absolutely nothing at all to do with this incident,” she said, adding that his supervisor contacted Hingham police after the incident. “It’s not even closely related.”

236 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:37:05pm

EDL founder charged with Muslim poppy protest assault


The founder of the English Defence League (EDL) has been charged with assaulting a police officer during a confrontation with Islamic protesters.

Stephen Lennon, 27 of Luton, was held as the Muslims Against Crusades group burnt poppies in Kensington, west London, during a two-minute silence to mark the anniversary of Armistice Day.

Five other members of EDL have been arrested on suspicion of affray.

Two Muslim protesters have been arrested for public order offences.

237 cliffster  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:37:22pm

re: #218 negativ

Just release some chatter that there’s a plot to smuggle explosives in boxes of condoms. The West may never recover.

238 SteveC  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:37:52pm

“All of the hospitals in Port-au-Prince are overflowing with patients”

There is no cholera in living memory in Haiti and thus little knowledge of the disease. This means there are a lot of misconceptions and rumors flying around which has caused panic in the population.

239 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:37:53pm

Facebook Sting Results In Palestinian held For Criticism Of Islam

A mysterious blogger who set off an uproar in the Arab world by claiming he was God and hurling insults at the Prophet Muhammad is now behind bars — caught in a sting that used Facebook to track him down.
The case of the unlikely apostate, a shy barber from this backwater West Bank town, is highlighting the limits of tolerance in the Western-backed Palestinian Authority — and illustrating a new trend by authorities in the Arab world to mine social media for evidence.

Residents of Qalqiliya say they had no idea that Walid Husayin — the 26-year-old son of a Muslim scholar — was leading a double life.

Known as a quiet man who prayed with his family each Friday and spent his evenings working in his father’s barbershop, Husayin was secretly his anti-religious opinions on the Internet during his free time…

240 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:38:07pm

re: #230 brookly red

BOO!

eeeek

241 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:38:45pm
242 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:39:27pm

re: #178 RadicalModerate

A note for any African-American mail carriers out there - If you are assaulted by a crazed person who slaps you and goes on a racist tirade (and you have recorded video evidence), you may very well be fired for it.

Caught on camera: Woman’s vile racist rant at black postman (but HE was fired)

The woman was investigated by local police and not charged.

Yikes!
Insane bitch belongs in prison.
Video, for those who want to see (warning: really, REALLY vile racism and obscenity).
Part 1

Part 2

(Disclaimer: My ex-wife lives in Massachusetts, but this isn’t her)

243 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:39:52pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Crisis averted: Mayor vetoes San Francisco ban on Happy Meals with toys

overweight kids can sleep easily in their increasingly undersized beds tonight……… :p

244 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:40:06pm

re: #214 researchok

I think the Christmas Day underwear bomber guy has pretty much set the tone, at least for a while.

Same thing happened with Richard Reid, the shoe bomber.

Ah, the world we live in.

I think we’re doing it wrong and the Israelis are doing it right (i.e. focusing on behavior), however I don’t know if their system would be viable here.

This is also an excellent book—it makes you realize that much of what’s done is done primarily to make us FEEL safer: Beyond Fear: Thinking Sensibly About Security in an Uncertain World

245 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:41:04pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Crisis averted: Mayor vetoes San Francisco ban on Happy Meals with toys

whew!….all hail Buzz Lightyear!

246 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:41:11pm

re: #237 cliffster

Just release some chatter that there’s a plot to smuggle explosives in boxes of condoms. The West may never recover.

Ebola laced condoms. HIV laced condoms. Condoms laced with gay bacteria (it makes people gay).

Take your pick.

247 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:41:41pm

re: #240 wozzablog

eeek

see that is the difference… BOO can be answered by eeek, or Blam, Blam, Blam… issues either way.

248 SteveC  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:42:12pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Crisis averted: Mayor vetoes San Francisco ban on Happy Meals with toys

The Beanie Babies are saved!

249 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:42:12pm

Drudge still has his link to Alex Jones at the top of the page. It’s been like two weeks of promotion for the 9-11 truth movement.

250 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:44:32pm

Big ups to all the people posting Pages today. Great, great stuff.

251 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:44:46pm

re: #222 b_sharp

Like the airliner the US took down?

So long ago. We Americans have short memories.

252 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:44:56pm

laters all.

the gf has just got online.

253 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:45:08pm

re: #247 brookly red

see that is the difference… BOO can be answered by eeek, or Blam, Blam, Blam… issues either way.

You sound like a cartoonist!

254 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:45:18pm

re: #93 CuriousLurker

Hang on, let me go read it…

It is one crazy story.

It seems to me as if these dysfunctional regimes will do anything- including coopting the religion to maintain an iron fisted rule.

This has been going on a for a long time in the region. The real victims are the Arabs themselves.

There was a time Islam produced art, poetry, literature, etc. Mosques were magnificent examples of creative religious expression.

Nowadays, mosques are dark, drab and colorless, expressions of wahabbi dour influence.

And guess who paid the price for this ‘rebranding’ of Islam?

255 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:45:21pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout

EDL founder charged with Muslim poppy protest assault

I’m sure this all makes sense on some planet.

256 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:45:52pm

re: #250 Charles

Big ups to all the people posting Pages today. Great, great stuff.

Yeah, today was a particularly good day in the pages. Lot’s of great stuff.

257 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:46:40pm

You know what would be a great feature, if someone wants to take it on? (I may do it myself…)

A weekly LGF Page that just links to the week’s best Pages. A carnival of Pages, if you will. There’s so much good stuff being posted, it would be really nice to have a kind of digest to help people find the best Pages.

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:46:58pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout

EDL founder charged with Muslim poppy protest assault

As the clock struck 1100 GMT, Islamic protesters burned a model of a poppy and chanted “British soldiers burn in hell”.

While not making light of anything to do with the EDL, frankly, I’d rather they be swinging at people like this than family having egg and chips at Papa’s John’s, or whatever that place is called.

259 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:47:10pm

re: #254 researchok

It is one crazy story.

It seems to me as if these dysfunctional regimes will do anything- including coopting the religion to maintain an iron fisted rule.

This has been going on a for a long time in the region. The real victims are the Arabs themselves.

There was a time Islam produced art, poetry, literature, etc. Mosques were magnificent examples of creative religious expression.

Nowadays, mosques are dark, drab and colorless, expressions of wahabbi dour influence.

And guess who paid the price for this ‘rebranding’ of Islam?

Cyrus’s Persians were the first great multi culti powerhouse….long ago before they were stricken

260 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:47:23pm

re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m sure this all makes sense on some planet.

I was thinking the same thing: “Poppies? Huh?”

261 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:47:51pm

re: #244 CuriousLurker

I think we’re doing it wrong and the Israelis are doing it right (i.e. focusing on behavior), however I don’t know if their system would be viable here.

This is also an excellent book—it makes you realize that much of what’s done is done primarily to make us FEEL safer: Beyond Fear: Thinking Sensibly About Security in an Uncertain World

The Israelis are less of a target nowadays because of the perception they are always on their toes (and in fact, they probably are).

On the other hand, we are just one big fat juicy steak as far as the fringe lunatic element are concerned.

262 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:48:13pm

re: #257 Charles

You know what would be a great feature, if someone wants to take it on? (I may do it myself…)

A weekly LGF Page that just links to the week’s best Pages. A carnival of Pages, if you will. There’s so much good stuff being posted, it would be really nice to have a kind of digest to help people find the best Pages.

Home run idea.

263 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:50:00pm

re: #259 albusteve

Cyrus’s Persians were the first great multi culti powerhouse…long ago before they were stricken

Have you been doing some reading?/

Hope you are in good spirits, tonight. Keith Richards has an autobiography out:[Link: www.amazon.com…]

264 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:50:26pm

re: #89 researchok

Curious, what do you make of this?

Muslim Group Advises Women Wearing Hijabs to Allow TSA ‘Enhanced Pat Downs’ Only on Head and Neck Area

If my mother has to go through this, then everybody has to go through it. It’s only in force for her because the law has to be equal; everyone knows that she herself is not a threat.

So, if the law is equal for all, let it be equal. Period. No exceptions. None. Never.

265 albusteve  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:50:58pm

re: #263 prairiefire

Have you been doing some reading?/

Hope you are in good spirits, tonight. Keith Richards has an autobiography out:[Link: www.amazon.com…]

I’ve read a couple of teasers….I know what the kids will give me for Christmas

266 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:51:30pm

re: #254 researchok

It is one crazy story.

It seems to me as if these dysfunctional regimes will do anything- including coopting the religion to maintain an iron fisted rule.

This has been going on a for a long time in the region. The real victims are the Arabs themselves.

There was a time Islam produced art, poetry, literature, etc. Mosques were magnificent examples of creative religious expression.

Nowadays, mosques are dark, drab and colorless, expressions of wahabbi dour influence.

And guess who paid the price for this ‘rebranding’ of Islam?

You must be talking about a different story. I was reading the one about the TSA stuff. But, yeah, the rebranding hasn’t worked out well for the average Muslim in the street in many countries.

267 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:51:33pm

re: #259 albusteve

Cyrus’s Persians were the first great multi culti powerhouse…long ago before they were stricken

I have long maintained the biggest victims of Islamism are Muslims.

They have been abused for decades by regimes that have completely coopted the religion.

In these nations, clerics are paid by the state and these clerics, coincidentally, reflect the state’s interests.

What do you suppose would happen to a cleric who got up and said, “You know, maybe terrorism is a lousy idea and maybe democracy is the way we ought to go”.

At the every best, said cleric would be out of a job.

268 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:51:46pm

re: #257 Charles

A carnival of Pages

That was a really great movie.

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:51:56pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Crisis averted: Mayor vetoes San Francisco ban on Happy Meals with toys

Oh thank God!!

(And I say this as someone who once spent a week of lunch breaks trying to find the GERMAN limited-edition beanie babies for a friend’s nieces at every McDonald’s in downtown San Francisco.)

270 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:52:16pm

re: #257 Charles

I’d go for that, but “best” of the week is pretty subjective. Nominations would help…

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:53:12pm

re: #248 SteveC

The Beanie Babies are saved!

Gavin looks so noble as he saves the Happy Meals from destruction!

(Stay tuned for much fun over who will be SF’s next mayor, now that Gavin’s got a brand new gig.)

272 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:54:20pm

re: #266 CuriousLurker

You must be talking about a different story. I was reading the one about the TSA stuff. But, yeah, the rebranding hasn’t worked out well for the average Muslim in the street in many countries.

Yeah- sorry I just picked the comment and hit reply. I wasn’t referring to that earlier story.

I recall you read my post in Islam. As it happens, I was talking to Anas (my friend) just today. He was having a tough day. That made more reflective.

273 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:54:33pm

re: #260 CuriousLurker

I was thinking the same thing: “Poppies? Huh?”

Symbols for Remembrance Day in Britain. Support for the troops and veterans.

274 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:54:45pm

re: #257 Charles

You know what would be a great feature, if someone wants to take it on? (I may do it myself…)

A weekly LGF Page that just links to the week’s best Pages. A carnival of Pages, if you will. There’s so much good stuff being posted, it would be really nice to have a kind of digest to help people find the best Pages.

I wouldn’t mind doing it as long as it could be on a Sunday.

275 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:55:08pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout

EDL founder charged with Muslim poppy protest assault

I initially read that as “puppy protest” and wondered how anyone could protest a puppy.

276 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:55:11pm

re: #261 researchok

The Israelis are less of a target nowadays because of the perception they are always on their toes (and in fact, they probably are).

On the other hand, we are just one big fat juicy steak as far as the fringe lunatic element are concerned.

We still aren’t as good in terms of airport security as Britain was BEFORE 9/11, if you ask me. We simply don’t want to do this properly.

277 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:55:28pm

re: #269 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh thank God!!

(And I say this as someone who once spent a week of lunch breaks trying to find the GERMAN limited-edition beanie babies for a friend’s nieces at every McDonald’s in downtown San Francisco.)

LOLOL

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:57:05pm

re: #277 researchok

LOLOL

They had them for different countries, and my friend wanted the German ones, because her nieces live in Germany and…it made sense at the time. I ate a lot of Filet-O-Fish. It’s a big family, and they only had the Irish ones at several places.

279 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:57:59pm

re: #260 CuriousLurker

I was thinking the same thing: “Poppies? Huh?”

Poppies!

280 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:58:10pm

re: #270 Rightwingconspirator

I’d go for that, but “best” of the week is pretty subjective. Nominations would help…

Yeah, it would be kinda cool if there was a “nominate” button that would tally up votes. Page views could be inflated, and up-dings aren’t always the best indicator of a good story… maybe retweets… (just thinking out loud)

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:58:14pm

Stupidest Glenn Beck quote on Soros I have identified so far:

“Along with currencies, Soros also collapses regimes. With his Open Society Fund… Soros has helped fund the Velvet Revolution in the Czech Republic, the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine, the Rose Revolution in Georgia. He also helped to engineer coups in Slovakia, Croatia, and Yugoslavia. So what is his target now? Us. America.”

282 researchok  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:58:27pm

re: #278 SanFranciscoZionist

They had them for different countries, and my friend wanted the German ones, because her nieces live in Germany and…it made sense at the time. I ate a lot of Filet-O-Fish. It’s a big family, and they only had the Irish ones at several places.

The things we do for family and friends…

283 blueraven  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:58:36pm

OT…Joe Miller files suit in wrong court

Wasn’t he the former AG of Alaska or something?

284 brookly red  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:59:13pm

re: #253 prairiefire

You sound like a cartoonist!

I did at onetime work in the comic book industry… It is a very effective means of communications.

285 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:59:24pm

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

I think she gets searched like everyone else.

She would be searched like everyone else.

WARNING: The comment section there might contain some vile comments.

286 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:59:48pm

re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist

Stupidest Glenn Beck quote on Soros I have identified so far:

“Along with currencies, Soros also collapses regimes. With his Open Society Fund… Soros has helped fund the Velvet Revolution in the Czech Republic, the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine, the Rose Revolution in Georgia. He also helped to engineer coups in Slovakia, Croatia, and Yugoslavia. So what is his target now? Us. America.”

Why hasn’t that man been committed yet?

287 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:01:33pm

re: #285 reine.de.tout

She would be searched like everyone else.

WARNING: The comment section there might contain some vile comments.

But the photo itself brings to mind an interesting question.

CL -
I read the discussion about what should apply when Muslim women must be searched.
Do the same rules apply to Muslim women who are TSA employees and who are the searchers, not the searchees?

288 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:01:40pm

re: #280 CuriousLurker

Sure and maybe two or three of us discussing the possibilities each week.

289 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:02:00pm

re: #279 RadicalModerate

Poppies!


[Video]

!!
Memories of Saturday morning wake-n-bake, with entertainment supplied by Dr. Demento. That must have been about 15 years ago. I remember because I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time.

290 celticdragon  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:03:58pm

re: #5 eclectic infidel

So they really want kids to learn that Jesus walked with and his pals rode into Jerusalem on dinosaurs?

The Apatosaurus thought the palm fronds were nicely crunchy.

291 SteveC  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:04:30pm

re: #270 Rightwingconspirator

I’d go for that, but “best” of the week is pretty subjective. Nominations would help…

Having hosted the three major Healthcare blog carnivals, I’ve learned that being chosen to be in the carnival is always subjective, with the weekly host/editor having the final say. When I hosted Grand Rounds (The blog carnival for blogging doctors) I got 30 submissions. I had already decided that I would use everything submitted that didn’t seem to be whacko; my blog normally appeals to a very limited audience (Families affected by a Heart Defect) and I wanted to gather as much attention as possible. I never explicitly said it, but if you submitted something, you were in.

But I have seen other editions of Grand Rounds - hosted by other bloggers - have ten entries, max. Just by observation you know a blog carnival is subject to the whims of the host.

292 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:07:15pm

re: #286 b_sharp

Why hasn’t that man been committed yet?

I just want him to be made to take a modern history course by the courts. For his own good.

293 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:07:16pm

Mozilla has screwed the pooch with Firefox 4 if they insist on removing the status bar. I’ve had the habit of reading the url in the status bar before clicking links since Netscape 2.0. The url is still displayed on mouseover, but now they put it in pale text in the address bar alongside whatever’s already displayed there. Not easy to read. I’m sure that seems about as inconsequential as anything can be, but I like it the way I like it, and it’s especially frustrating that they made the sudden change without making it optional. That’s 75% of the reason why I got fed up with Ubuntu.

NEVER MIND.

We now return you to regular programming, already in progess.

294 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:07:50pm

re: #287 reine.de.tout

But the photo itself brings to mind an interesting question.

CL -
I read the discussion about what should apply when Muslim women must be searched.
Do the same rules apply to Muslim women who are TSA employees and who are the searchers, not the searchees?

You mean in relation to the rule below? If so, then yes where full body scans are concerned. Not sure about the pat-downs (my aversion to that is personal; I have no idea what the Islamic rule on it might be if both are male/female).

“It is a violation of clear Islamic teaching that men or women be seen naked by other men and women,” the ruling states. “Islam highly emphasizes haya (modesty) and considers it part of the faith. The Qu’ran has commanded the believers, both men and women, to cover their private parts.”

295 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:07:54pm

re: #280 CuriousLurker

Yeah, it would be kinda cool if there was a “nominate” button that would tally up votes. Page views could be inflated, and up-dings aren’t always the best indicator of a good story… maybe retweets… (just thinking out loud)

Well, if you check the top of the page in the ‘Show Top Rated Pages’ drop-down menu, you can sort the Pages by various fields, like rating, # of comments, etc. That would give you plenty of material.

I think it really should be on Friday afternoon, though, an end of the week Happy Hour type thing.

Anyway, I’m just throwing the idea out there - if someone wants to run with it, you could own the feature and I’d promote it to the front page.

296 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:09:08pm

re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist

I just want him to be made to take a modern history course by the courts. For his own good.

Cognitive dissonance will defeat all training.

297 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:09:40pm

re: #293 negativ

Mozilla has screwed the pooch with Firefox 4 if they insist on removing the status bar. I’ve had the habit of reading the url in the status bar before clicking links since Netscape 2.0. The url is still displayed on mouseover, but now they put it in pale text in the address bar alongside whatever’s already displayed there. Not easy to read.

Gah! *headdesk*

I hope somebody creates an extension to put things back the way they were.

298 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:09:52pm

re: #289 negativ


uh, shit. Now that I think about it, 1988 was more like 22 years ago*. Time is a cruel mistress.

299 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:09:53pm

re: #293 negativ

Mozilla has screwed the pooch with Firefox 4 if they insist on removing the status bar. I’ve had the habit of reading the url in the status bar before clicking links since Netscape 2.0. The url is still displayed on mouseover, but now they put it in pale text in the address bar alongside whatever’s already displayed there. Not easy to read. I’m sure that seems about as inconsequential as anything can be, but I like it the way I like it, and it’s especially frustrating that they made the sudden change without making it optional. That’s 75% of the reason why I got fed up with Ubuntu.

NEVER MIND.

We now return you to regular programming, already in progess.

I use it too.

300 cliffster  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:10:47pm

re: #293 negativ

two words: Chrome.

301 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:10:55pm

re: #294 CuriousLurker

You mean in relation to the rule below? If so, then yes where full body scans are concerned. Not sure about the pat-downs (my aversion to that is personal; I have no idea what the Islamic rule on it might be if both are male/female).

Yah, I have the same personal aversion. Thanks for the response!

302 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:11:18pm

re: #295 Charles

Ah, okay, Friday won’t work or me—my work schedule is too unpredictable. Sounds like a great idea though.

303 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:11:19pm

re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist

Stupidest Glenn Beck quote on Soros I have identified so far:

“Along with currencies, Soros also collapses regimes. With his Open Society Fund… Soros has helped fund the Velvet Revolution in the Czech Republic, the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine, the Rose Revolution in Georgia. He also helped to engineer coups in Slovakia, Croatia, and Yugoslavia. So what is his target now? Us. America.”

I thought we Americans were happy about the Velvet Revolution in the Czech Republic.

304 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:12:19pm

re: #301 reine.de.tout

Yah, I have the same personal aversion. Thanks for the response!

My pleasure! ;o)

305 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:12:59pm

re: #303 prairiefire

I thought we Americans were happy about the Velvet Revolution in the Czech Republic.

Well, I thought so too, but apparently Glenn liked the totalitarian Communist government that it overthrew, and feels that Soros is a bit of busy-body.

306 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:14:07pm

re: #279 RadicalModerate

LOL

307 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:18:01pm

re: #300 cliffster

two words: Chrome.

Not until somebody makes a web developer toolbar for it. At least not for me.

308 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:18:40pm

re: #300 cliffster

two words: Chrome.

Dude, that’s like, nine words.

I’ve been using Chrome for the most part in Windows. Firefox has a couple of extensions that I sorta need. They’ll eventually have rough parallels in Chrome.

Complaints about Chrome:
Terrible bookmark management
Can’t open “search Google for {highlighted text}..” tabs in background
Lacks built-in ability to disable stupid Javascript annoyances

But, all software sucks anyway.

309 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:20:30pm

re: #303 prairiefire

I thought we Americans were happy about the Velvet Revolution in the Czech Republic.

re: #303 prairiefire

I thought we Americans were happy about the Velvet Revolution in the Czech Republic.

The Velvet Revolution brought about the death of Communism in the Czech Republic.

310 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:21:27pm

re: #309 negativ

re: #303 prairiefire

The Velvet Revolution brought about the death of Communism in the Czech Republic.

So…a very, very good thing. Beck is still a shit.

311 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:22:52pm

re: #303 prairiefire

I thought we Americans were happy about the Velvet Revolution in the Czech Republic.

It all depends on where the money’s coming from, I guess…

312 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 6:25:21pm

re: #310 prairiefire

So…a very, very good thing. Beck is still a shit.

Also note:

Frank Zappa’s Czech connection

When Zappa was invited to Prague by Vaclav Havel in January 1990, he was reportedly shocked at his instant popularity, as well as by how well people knew his music—in the 1970s and 1980s Czechs listened to Zappa thanks to albums that were smuggled into communist Czechoslovakia via secret networks that transported literature, music, and even musical instruments.

313 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Nov 12, 2010 8:59:21pm

re: #102 prairiefire

A hidden computer database? Say it isn’t so, Sheriff Joe![Link: www.azcentral.com…]

They’ve developed a system that basically tracks where they are working versus where they are being paid, and they did not update the official database, which led to the potential problems,” Wilson said. “I think they deliberately hid this info from us.”

The employee-tracking database was in a secure criminal-justice computer system accessible only to the Sheriff’s Office. Control of access to that system, known as ICJIS, has been the subject of a long-running and expensive legal battle during the past two years.

County administrators say they were puzzled by the sheriff’s willingness to sue over what they viewed as minor issues related to control of the ICJIS system. The fight by the sheriff to block county access to the system has cost more than $1.6 million.

County officials believe Sheriff’s Chief Deputy David Hendershott sought to limit access to the system to hide the shadow payroll records it contained. Those records showed that potentially hundreds of employees who did no work in the jails were being paid with detention funds.


Read more: [Link: www.azcentral.com…]

Freaky. o_o

314 Rich Wilson  Sat, Nov 13, 2010 4:43:26pm

Why is this tagged ‘Republican Party’ but not ‘Democratic Party’? Hey, I’m as left as they come, but this stupidity is a bi-partisan effort, and it is a mistake to treat it as anything else.


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