Don Ross: Crazy
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Don Ross’s finger-picking skills are crazy. And so’s the song he’s covering in this new video.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Nov 14, 2010 5:54:41pm |
That open tuning is wild. A lot of close intervals.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 5:54:55pm |
if I recall, the great old bluesman, Charlie Patton was invited to his very first recording session...maybe in San Antonio, I forget, but a hotel somewhere... the boys switched on the old acetate recorder and told him to play whatever he wanted and Charlie promptly stood away from the bed, faced the corner of the walls and started playing the blues....notice where Don here is standing, with his back to an empty corner...players like that for reasons of acoustics, not because they are shy...Don hears something that he likes, right there in that particular spot
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Nov 14, 2010 5:55:49pm |
I am in awe of those who can play an instrument well.
Don Ross is CRAZY at picking the strings!
(And he knows it!)
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 5:57:48pm |
re: #2 Charles
That open tuning is wild. A lot of close intervals.
very, very nice stuff....I can never get enough of a great finger picker, and the piece ends right where it should
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Charles Johnson Sun, Nov 14, 2010 5:58:28pm |
Episode 3 of 'The Walking Dead' is on AMC tonight. A very well done adaptation of the graphic novel.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:06:35pm |
re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote
This is awesome!
Ludwig, do you know if one chain of hardware stores is better than the other's for disposing of compact florescent bulbs? My dad has two that finally conked out and he's not sure where to take them.
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LRonHoover Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:10:35pm |
The music posts are the best, I definitely never would have found out about Tommy Emmanuel or Jimmy Wahlsteen otherwise.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:13:17pm |
re: #7 Dark_Falcon
Ludwig, do you know if one chain of hardware stores is better than the other's for disposing of compact florescent bulbs? My dad has two that finally conked out and he's not sure where to take them.
If they sell them, they have to take them. I drop mine at the Walgreens drug store 2 blocks away.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:16:49pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:20:55pm |
Still dead, despite popular demand:
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Obdicut Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:24:33pm |
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engineer cat Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:24:34pm |
open tuning
fifths and fourths? i think i hear some kind of suspended fourth chord at the beginning when he is hitting all open strings...
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:25:44pm |
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:26:48pm |
re: #14 engineer dog
open tuning
fifths and fourths? i think i hear some kind of suspended fourth chord at the beginning when he is hitting all open strings...
always open tune your instrument with a fifth
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:28:07pm |
re: #6 Charles
Kit, Scott, & I forget the third brothers name.
Perkins they were. Played backup for Keith Jarret in LA.
Nice guys, very musical family. GREAT Trampoline in the hills.
A little younger than your vintage, Charles.
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engineer cat Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:30:07pm |
re: #16 albusteve
always open tune your instrument with a fifth
"bebop players flat their fifths - we just drink ours"
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:30:14pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:31:52pm |
re: #16 albusteve
If you can play a D7 chord for an hour straight, and maybe wiggle it one fret up or one fret down every once in a while, then you may have what it takes to be in the James Brown band. (Zombie stuff notwithstanding)
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:33:41pm |
re: #22 negativ
If you can play a D7 chord for an hour straight, and maybe wiggle it one fret up or one fret down every once in a while, then you may have what it takes to be in the James Brown band. (Zombie stuff notwithstanding)
re: #22 negativ
If you can play a D7 chord for an hour straight, and maybe wiggle it one fret up or one fret down every once in a while, then you may have what it takes to be in the James Brown band. (Zombie stuff notwithstanding)
I prefer the mosh pit
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:42:41pm |
Aw, Ruthie... tell me ya love me, like I want ya to!
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:42:49pm |
re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote
You have a weird email.
G'night folks.
Hard day,here.
must rest.
Be well,
Especially Ludwig!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:46:34pm |
re: #26 Floral Giraffe
You have a weird email.
G'night folks.
Hard day,here.
must rest.
Be well,
Especially Ludwig!
Goodnight, Floral. Hope tomorrow goes better for you.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:47:33pm |
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:49:54pm |
this is near perfection...Nirvana just didn't have enough musical ability to pull off even a cover of something like this....even when these guys are their sonic godfathers....maybe you were not born yet when this song hit the platter
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Stanghazi Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:50:02pm |
re: #29 albusteve
I don't do any of that stuff...the Seattle/grunge thing gags me
I pine for it to come back. Remember after Seattle Grunge we got Britney Spears et al. THAT gags me more. We're now stuck with GaGa? I'll take grunge any day.
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prairiefire Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:51:07pm |
re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote
Ludwig~ last night on TCM was Teresa Wright night. Favorite Years and Mrs. Minniver. I can now confirm that Mrs. M is my favorite war movie.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:51:09pm |
re: #31 Stanley Sea
I pine for it to come back. Remember after Seattle Grunge we got Britney Spears et al. THAT gags me more. We're now stuck with GaGa? I'll take grunge any day.
you are in a totally different musical room than me...I just don't relate
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darthstar Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:52:49pm |
re: #31 Stanley Sea
I refer to the Dave Matthews band types as "Cardigrunge."
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engineer cat Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:54:10pm |
jazz stopped evolving after weather report broke up
rock n roll died after grunge
modern hip hop is bland
i'm a cranky old bastard who's outta touch and living in the past
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:55:35pm |
re: #31 Stanley Sea
I pine for it to come back. Remember after Seattle Grunge we got Britney Spears et al. THAT gags me more. We're now stuck with GaGa? I'll take grunge any day.
Well at least grunge wasn't all marketing. There was at least some sense of innovation.
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Stanghazi Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:56:18pm |
re: #38 Dark_Falcon
Well at least grunge wasn't all marketing. There was at least some sense of innovation.
Exactly.
Now autotune and get off my dogdamn yard!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:57:46pm |
re: #36 engineer dog
jazz stopped evolving after weather report broke up
rock n roll died after grunge
modern hip hop is bland
i'm a cranky old bastard who's outta touch and living in the past
True, in most ways. U2 has had some good stuff since then, and the Stones have still toured several times. But who else other than those two groups is still intact and has any claim to greatness?
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 6:58:38pm |
re: #36 engineer dog
jazz stopped evolving after weather report broke up
rock n roll died after grunge
modern hip hop is bland
i'm a cranky old bastard who's outta touch and living in the past
pretty bold, yet wildly false claim...if you are so deep into grunge that you see nothing else out there that's quality rock and roll, you are not looking, or viewing the scores of killer posts I've put up
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:00:32pm |
re: #38 Dark_Falcon
Well at least grunge wasn't all marketing. There was at least some sense of innovation.
innovation?...drowning the listener with creepy, depressing minor chords and dead end lyrics?...not for me....very little was innovative musically IMO
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:02:15pm |
re: #40 Dark_Falcon
True, in most ways. U2 has had some good stuff since then, and the Stones have still toured several times. But who else other than those two groups is still intact and has any claim to greatness?
define greatness..the music business is a black hole that most do not survive...producers are not into greatness, they are into profit
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Stanghazi Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:02:36pm |
re: #42 albusteve
innovation?...drowning the listener with creepy, depressing minor chords and dead end lyrics?...not for me...very little was innovative musically IMO
come as you are!
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Virginia Plain Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:04:30pm |
Sunday night iTunes shuffle:
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darthstar Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:05:07pm |
I made the following comment to my wife today as we drove to the beach..."You know, the music on our favorite stations hasn't changed in the last 20 years or so...we still get U2, the Rolling Stones, etc. but instead of commercials for car stereo shops, we have to listen to advertisements for Varicose Vein treatment...and now, back to some rockin' sounds from Heart!"
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:06:04pm |
re: #40 Dark_Falcon
True, in most ways. U2 has had some good stuff since then, and the Stones have still toured several times. But who else other than those two groups is still intact and has any claim to greatness?
Let's see... off the top of my head & in no order...
Foo Fighters
Arcade Fire
Green Day
Cheap Trick
The Offspring
Garbage
Patti Smith
X
Peter Gabriel
My Chemical Romance
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:06:39pm |
re: #30 albusteve
Led Zep had two really, really good songs:
and a bunch of awful ones, and of course the awful ones were the ones that got popular. Could I perhaps interest you in donating to the Stairway to Heaven Obliteration Society?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:07:14pm |
re: #44 Stanley Sea
come as you are!
Yeah, but you don't have to ask if Keith Richards or The Edge will entertain you, because you know they will. Kurt Cobain had real talent, but he went down a dark path then killed himself.
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engineer cat Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:07:31pm |
re: #41 albusteve
pretty bold, yet wildly false claim...if you are so deep into grunge that you see nothing else out there that's quality rock and roll, you are not looking, or viewing the scores of killer posts I've put up
actually, i mostly listen to jazz 1917 - 1980, classical especially pre 1750, old timey country, and the real true original rhythm n blues, rock n roll, and soul 1948 - 1966. and jimi hendrix
i'm a cranky old bastard
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:09:05pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:09:17pm |
re: #47 wlewisiii
Let's see... off the top of my head & in no order...
Foo Fighters
Arcade Fire
Green Day
Cheap Trick
The Offspring
Garbage
Patti Smith
X
Peter Gabriel
My Chemical Romance
I'll give credit to the bolded ones, they've got real ability.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:09:56pm |
re: #48 negativ
Led Zep had two really, really good songs:
[Video]and a bunch of awful ones, and of course the awful ones were the ones that got popular. Could I perhaps interest you in donating to the Stairway to Heaven Obliteration Society?
Led Zep was a sensation back in 68/69....nobody had ever heard anything like it....Immigrant Song is the perfect precursor to grunge...but they ran out of gas early, maybe a few records
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b_sharp Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:10:38pm |
re: #36 engineer dog
jazz stopped evolving after weather report broke up
rock n roll died after grunge
modern hip hop is bland
i'm a cranky old bastard who's outta touch and living in the past
Since the past is always the past, the future isn't here yet and the present is always changing, you can't help but live in the past.
At least that is what I tell myself when pretending to be a curmudgeon.
Hey you, get off my lawn.
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Virginia Plain Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:10:42pm |
Another shuffle pick:
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:11:38pm |
re: #47 wlewisiii
Foo Fighters
Arcade Fire
Green Day
The Offspring
Peter Gabriel
One of these kids is not like the other ones
Tell me, can you pick which one?
One of these kids is not like the other ones
Guess before my song is done...
And now my song is done!
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:11:44pm |
re: #49 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, but you don't have to ask if Keith Richards or The Edge will entertain you, because you know they will. Kurt Cobain had real talent, but he went down a dark path then killed himself.
total bust...he was probably mentally sick and never diagnosed
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Stanghazi Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:12:51pm |
re: #53 albusteve
Led Zep was a sensation back in 68/69...nobody had ever heard anything like it...Immigrant Song is the perfect precursor to grunge...but they ran out of gas early, maybe a few records
See, that's what I got out of grunge. New and strong.
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b_sharp Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:13:37pm |
re: #48 negativ
Led Zep had two really, really good songs:
[Video]and a bunch of awful ones, and of course the awful ones were the ones that got popular. Could I perhaps interest you in donating to the Stairway to Heaven Obliteration Society?
You're gonna get downdinged if you keep this up.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:13:47pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
I'll give credit to the bolded ones, they've got real ability.
Good thing I can't give you a 1/2 plus ;) Just for that
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jaunte Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:14:00pm |
Roger Ebert tweets:
I have many, many questions about this animated short. Many. All beginning with "WTF !?!" [Link: j.mp...]
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:14:03pm |
re: #58 Stanley Sea
See, that's what I got out of grunge. New and strong.
you don't get it yet....old and weak...where is that genre today?, in the dustbin, no staying power
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b_sharp Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:14:22pm |
re: #47 wlewisiii
Let's see... off the top of my head & in no order...
Foo Fighters
Arcade Fire
Green Day
Cheap Trick
The Offspring
Garbage
Patti Smith
X
Peter Gabriel
My Chemical Romance
Where are the Red Hot Chili Peppers?
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:15:17pm |
re: #63 b_sharp
Where are the Red Hot Chili Peppers?
good question...a very clever bunch, those guys....and very talented
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:15:38pm |
re: #56 negativ
One of these kids is not like the other ones
Tell me, can you pick which one?
One of these kids is not like the other ones
Guess before my song is done...
And now my song is done!
They're all active and I think have real talent. That was the criteria DF used.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:16:50pm |
re: #59 b_sharp
You're gonna get downdinged if you keep this up.
Oh noes.
Perhaps I should explain how Bob Dylan is the most overrated hack ever to clog up the airwaves.
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Stanghazi Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:17:01pm |
re: #62 albusteve
you don't get it yet...old and weak...where is that genre today?, in the dustbin, no staying power
Steve, I will take this moment to respond and in turn insult you.
I am so sick of the Stones. Actually I was kind of sick of them in the 90's. I've heard every one of their songs more than 100 times. It has made me sick of them. Overmarketing over 20 years kills "staying power"
(heh, I hit post)
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Virginia Plain Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:17:10pm |
Another pick:
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b_sharp Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:18:03pm |
re: #62 albusteve
you don't get it yet...old and weak...where is that genre today?, in the dustbin, no staying power
Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, Audioslave.
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b_sharp Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:19:36pm |
re: #66 negativ
Oh noes.
Perhaps I should explain how Bob Dylan is the most overrated hack ever to clog up the airwaves.
No, I would agree with you.
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b_sharp Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:20:14pm |
re: #67 Stanley Sea
Steve, I will take this moment to respond and in turn insult you.
I am so sick of the Stones. Actually I was kind of sick of them in the 90's. I've heard every one of their songs more than 100 times. It has made me sick of them. Overmarketing over 20 years kills "staying power"
(heh, I hit post)
I was sick of them in the '70s.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:20:23pm |
re: #67 Stanley Sea
Steve, I will take this moment to respond and in turn insult you.
I am so sick of the Stones. Actually I was kind of sick of them in the 90's. I've heard every one of their songs more than 100 times. It has made me sick of them. Overmarketing over 20 years kills "staying power"
(heh, I hit post)
no insult to me...I'm too jolly
here's a suggestion...turn off your radio and go visit your local blues bar, you will thank me later I'll bet
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Stanghazi Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:21:14pm |
re: #72 albusteve
no insult to me...I'm too jolly
here's a suggestion...turn off your radio and go visit your local blues bar, you will thank me later I'll bet
advice taken. just need the place & time, which will happen.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:21:14pm |
re: #67 Stanley Sea
Steve, I will take this moment to respond and in turn insult you.
I am so sick of the Stones. Actually I was kind of sick of them in the 90's. I've heard every one of their songs more than 100 times. It has made me sick of them. Overmarketing over 20 years kills "staying power"
(heh, I hit post)
You're more appreciative than me - the last interesting Stones thing was Exile on Main Street AFAIC.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:21:14pm |
re: #66 negativ
Oh noes.
Perhaps I should explain how Bob Dylan is the most overrated hack ever to clog up the airwaves.
hahaha!...and I was thinking there was hope for you
NOT!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:21:38pm |
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Virginia Plain Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:21:51pm |
Just landed on this one:
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prairiefire Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:22:38pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:22:43pm |
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:23:31pm |
re: #74 wlewisiii
You're more appreciative than me - the last interesting Stones thing was Exile on Main Street AFAIC.
are you a GaGa head?...you are simply put of touch
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engineer cat Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:24:26pm |
re: #72 albusteve
no insult to me...I'm too jolly
here's a suggestion...turn off your radio and go visit your local blues bar, you will thank me later I'll bet
the blues is one genre that can never die or get boring
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:24:32pm |
Since we've brought up Peter Gabriel, let me post this:
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Virginia Plain Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:26:16pm |
From Mark Knopfler's latest release:
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:26:26pm |
re: #81 engineer dog
the blues is one genre that can never die or get boring
and there are plenty of younger players that are carrying the torch....the blues and it's bastard son, R and B have a ton of wiggle room
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:28:55pm |
re: #85 prairiefire
Thank you!
It's one of my favorite vids. That live version is much better than the radio version. As I understand it, he wrote that song to explain his feelings relating to his leaving Genesis.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:30:58pm |
re: #80 albusteve
are you a GaGa head?...you are simply put of touch
Gaga? Hardly, though I have a soft spot for Pink and No Doubt for that style. I also have a soft spot for Muddy Waters, Robert Johnson and a bunch of other good blues performers. I got tired of Jagger/Richards a long time ago though.
Time to go listen to some Husker Du, I think.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:31:20pm |
re: #82 Dark_Falcon
Since we've brought up Peter Gabriel, let me post this:
[Video]
Shaking the Tree....killer vid
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:31:54pm |
Can I talk about the "music" that I hate most? I was in a store today and they were playing...Christmas songs "scat style."
"Jingly dangle dingle doobie dibby dabby dingle bells, jingle dabby dingle all the waaayyeewayyeewayyee...
I ran screaming into the parking lot.
I hate "Jingle Bells" and I really, really, really hate "Jingle bells" "scat style"
Whose idea was that?
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b_sharp Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:32:52pm |
re: #89 Alouette
Can I talk about the "music" that I hate most? I was in a store today and they were playing...Christmas songs "scat style."
"Jingly dangle dingle doobie dibby dabby dingle bells, jingle dabby dingle all the waaayyeewayyeewayyee...
I ran screaming into the parking lot.
I hate "Jingle Bells" and I really, really, really hate "Jingle bells" "scat style"
Whose idea was that?
A committee.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:33:00pm |
re: #69 b_sharp
Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, Audioslave.
Layne Staley was a fantastic vocalist. If you do not agree, I will fight you.
Couldn't give half a shit about Peal Jam, however.
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Lidane Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:33:27pm |
re: #47 wlewisiii
Foo Fighters
Arcade Fire
Green Day
Peter Gabriel
My Chemical Romance
Of that list, I've kept my favorites. These days, the new Arcade Fire is in heavy rotation for me, and I'm already on pins and needles waiting for the new MCR. The songs I've heard from it are great. :D
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:35:08pm |
re: #87 wlewisiii
Gaga? Hardly, though I have a soft spot for Pink and No Doubt for that style. I also have a soft spot for Muddy Waters, Robert Johnson and a bunch of other good blues performers. I got tired of Jagger/Richards a long time ago though.
Time to go listen to some Husker Du, I think.
the Stones are in my blood...45 yrs
a part of me
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b_sharp Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:37:05pm |
re: #91 negativ
Layne Staley was a fantastic vocalist. If you do not agree, I will fight you.
[Video]Couldn't give half a shit about Peal Jam, however.
AiC is one of my favs.
Staley was morosely magnificent.
The new AiC is quite good, even without him.
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Lidane Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:38:50pm |
re: #91 negativ
Pearl Jam were stuck into the grunge category because they're from Seattle. They never fit that genre, IMO. They were always more of a straightforward rock band to me.
I really dug some of their later stuff, like Yield and Binaural more than the early albums, but it's all good. They're severely underrated, especially in terms of influence. In fact, I'd go so far as to wager that Pearl Jam have influenced more bands that came after them than Nirvana ever has.
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prairiefire Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:40:58pm |
re: #92 Lidane
Of that list, I've kept my favorites. These days, the new Arcade Fire is in heavy rotation for me, and I'm already on pins and needles waiting for the new MCR. The songs I've heard from it are great. :D
Did you see them on SNL? It might be on Youtube or the NBC website.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:41:47pm |
re: #93 albusteve
the Stones are in my blood...45 yrs
a part of me
That I can understand although it would be The Who for me.
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b_sharp Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:43:07pm |
re: #99 wlewisiii
That I can understand although it would be The Who for me.
Led Zep, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath here.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:45:11pm |
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Lidane Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:46:28pm |
re: #98 prairiefire
Did you see them on SNL? It might be on Youtube or the NBC website.
You mean Arcade Fire? Yeah, I saw them. I made it a point to DVR the show so I wouldn't miss it. Good thing, too. I spent all day yesterday geeking out at Austin Comic-Con, then went out to see friends I hadn't hung out with in a while.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:47:32pm |
re: #95 Lidane
Pearl Jam were stuck into the grunge category because they're from Seattle. They never fit that genre, IMO. They were always more of a straightforward rock band to me.
I really dug some of their later stuff, like Yield and Binaural more than the early albums, but it's all good. They're severely underrated, especially in terms of influence. In fact, I'd go so far as to wager that Pearl Jam have influenced more bands that came after them than Nirvana ever has.
Pearl Jam is listenable, at least most of the time....over the past decades, the music has split off and split off again, charting new sounds, hybriding older stuff, finding new ways to play the same strings and the same chords...like movies, when comparing bands, it all depends on the genre, even within a band....the Stones have recorded some of the sweetest ballads for example....really soft easy stuff, but the value of them is the style...make a ballad and still be the Stones...nobody has ever come as close to crossing so many barriers and doing it well with their signature riffs and sounds...nobody
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:47:32pm |
re: #78 prairiefire
That reminds me of The Triplets Of Belleville:
[Video]
That was one of the strangest movies I ever saw.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:47:33pm |
re: #97 Jimmah
Btw, Four Lions was released here in the states recently. A surprisingly thoughtful dark comedy but it will flop here in the States. Too bad.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:48:38pm |
re: #100 b_sharp
Led Zep, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath here.
all killer, innovative, confident groups in their own right
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:48:42pm |
re: #99 wlewisiii
That I can understand although it would be The Who for me.
Not the same thing sad to say, since the Stone have retained more of their ability than the Who. Mick Jagger's voice is not what it was, but he has lost much less than Roger Daltry.
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prairiefire Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:49:05pm |
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Jimmah Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:49:17pm |
re: #95 Lidane
Do you know of Glasgow's 'Teenage Fanclub'? The Scottish indie/post-punk scene was one of Nirvana's major influences. These guys were in turn influenced by people like Nirvana and Dinosaur Jr:
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Lidane Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:49:18pm |
re: #103 albusteve
over the past decades, the music has split off and split off again, charting new sounds, hybriding older stuff, finding new ways to play the same strings and the same chords...l
Welcome to music. That's how it's always been. You can go back through the classical masters and find the influences of the earlier composers on some of the later ones. Same goes for jazz, blues, world music, or anything else.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:50:30pm |
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:51:26pm |
re: #107 Dark_Falcon
Not the same thing sad to say, since the Stone have retained more of their ability than the Who. Mick Jagger's voice is not what it was, but he has lost much less than Roger Daltry.
they spent too much energy over too short a time period...a premier power trio that just burned out...it happens
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Stanghazi Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:53:03pm |
re: #112 Stanley Sea
[Video]
If anyone does Karoke, this is the ultimate song to do.
Better Man, Pearl Jam
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Lidane Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:53:06pm |
re: #108 prairiefire
Sounds like a good Sunday.
Saturday. I went to Comic-Con yesterday. Got to see Billy Dee Williams give a Q&A session, which was neat. Funniest moment came when a dad dared his 8-year old son to ask if Colt .45 really worked to get the ladies. It was hilarious.
Saw a few other folks in person, but I didn't pay for autographs or photos or anything. Still, it was a fun day. I even walked out with some Firefly/Serenity swag, which ruled. :D
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b_sharp Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:53:21pm |
re: #112 Stanley Sea
[Video]If anyone does Karoke, this is the ultimate song to do.
Thanks.
If I were a better man I might be able to sing.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:53:25pm |
re: #107 Dark_Falcon
Not the same thing sad to say, since the Stone have retained more of their ability than the Who. Mick Jagger's voice is not what it was, but he has lost much less than Roger Daltry.
True enough, but I can put a copy of Who's Next on and tomorrow is yesterday ;)
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:53:36pm |
i have to go to sleep. My first day of a new job is tomorrow
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:54:22pm |
re: #106 albusteve
BTW, Steve how do you feel about the Cowboys beating the Giants tonight? The win shocked me.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:54:28pm |
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:55:01pm |
re: #117 wlewisiii
True enough, but I can put a copy of Who's Next on and tomorrow is yesterday ;)
they peaked with that record...a bargain
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:55:09pm |
re: #112 Stanley Sea
[Video]If anyone does Karoke, this is the ultimate song to do.
I've never been much of a Pearl Jam fan. But that song is good.
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Lidane Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:55:15pm |
re: #109 Jimmah
Do you know of Glasgow's 'Teenage Fanclub'?
Yep. The only album of theirs I ever owned was Bandwagonesque, but I like what I've heard of their music.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:56:16pm |
re: #118 Alouette
i have to go to sleep. My first day of a new job is tomorrow
{Alouette} May your day be fun and profitable :)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:56:27pm |
re: #118 Alouette
i have to go to sleep. My first day of a new job is tomorrow
Knock 'em dead, Alouette.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:57:44pm |
re: #97 Jimmah
Knight Rider meets bhangra:
My Netflix queue has a lot of terrible Bollywood rubbish waiting in the wings. I fully realize that the plotlines are going to be tiresome and hackneyed, but it's a small price to pay in exchange for being able to ogle Aishwarya Rai for three hours without anyone calling the police.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:58:13pm |
re: #119 Dark_Falcon
BTW, Steve how do you feel about the Cowboys beating the Giants tonight? The win shocked me.
not me...they have oodles of talent, and the Gints really get frustrated with the Cowboys...notice how Kitna threw the ball with PROTECTION?...do your damned job or get off the field....I wanted to see Garrett take the job four seasons ago, but he wasn't ready
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Jimmah Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:59:19pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
Btw, Four Lions was released here in the states recently. A surprisingly thoughtful dark comedy but it will flop here in the States. Too bad.
Oh yeah - ice and I watched it here recently. I thought it was a really excellent movie, and hilarious too.
Some people, unfortunately seemed to think it was 'soft on radical Islam and terrorism' because it didn't flash the phrase 'evil destroyers of civilisation' up on the screen every few seconds or something like that. (Yeah that's my comment at the bottom, btw.)
I actually think it took an excellent approach in making jihadists look idiotic and seriously uncool. Scenes like the one where the jihadist couple are discussing how wonderful it is to blow oneself up for Allah with their young son were appropriately creepy. It's beyond me how anyone could see it as 'humanising terrorism'.
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b_sharp Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:59:21pm |
re: #124 wlewisiii
I've never been much of a Pearl Jam fan. But that song is good.
This is the song that turned me on to grunge.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:01:02pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:04:04pm |
re: #131 b_sharp
This is the song that turned me on to grunge.
[Video]
I've often said that every competent band has one truly great song in them. Some have more than one; many never find it. Jeremy was that moment for Pearl Jam.
I was never "into" grunge as such. I was from western Wisconsin and the Minneapolis scene (The Replacements, Husker Du, Urban Guerrillas, Soul Asylum, etc.) was the best to me.
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Kragar Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:04:54pm |
Well, I finished a complete playthru of Fallout New Vegas without firing a shot in anger. I would have had zero kills over all except I didn't realize the sonic array credited me with killing the ants in the Nellis Bunker. Absolute victory for the NCR and neutral karma for me and the end.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:05:26pm |
re: #129 albusteve
not me...they have oodles of talent, and the Gints really get frustrated with the Cowboys...notice how Kitna threw the ball with PROTECTION?...do your damned job or get off the field...I wanted to see Garrett take the job four seasons ago, but he wasn't ready
That's the real shock, since the Giants have a defense as good as that of the Bears and the Bears collapsed the Cowboy offensive line with ease. Getting rid of their head coach may prove the tonic the Cowboys needed. They still won't make the playoffs, but it may give them a better season.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:05:41pm |
re: #100 b_sharp
Led Zep, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath here.
Black Sabbath are on a completely different plane. I can understand why people are fans of Deep Purple and/or Led Zep, but Black Sabbath invented a whole sub-genre of rock music. Without Black Sabbath, there's no heavy metal.
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blueraven Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:05:43pm |
You know the bartenders all know my name
and they catch me when Im pulling up lame
Fumblin with the blues
Still a great song, over 30 years later
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Lidane Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:08:29pm |
re: #137 wlewisiii
The Replacements, Husker Du
Two incredible bands that are criminally ignored and underrated, especially The Replacements. Paul Westerberg doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:09:31pm |
re: #140 Dark_Falcon
That's the real shock, since the Giants have a defense as good as that of the Bears and the Bears collapsed the Cowboy offensive line with ease. Getting rid of their head coach may prove the tonic the Cowboys needed. They still won't make the playoffs, but it may give them a better season.
NY defense was #1 in the NFL today....the CBs put up 33 and 427 yrds...pfffttt!
I hate Yew Nork
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Jimmah Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:09:31pm |
re: #138 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Well, I finished a complete playthru of Fallout New Vegas without firing a shot in anger. I would have had zero kills over all except I didn't realize the sonic array credited me with killing the ants in the Nellis Bunker. Absolute victory for the NCR and neutral karma for me and the end.
I just finished it today too. Weird quests, overall, I think. No clear 'goodies' or 'baddies'. At one point ice asked me why I was running around turning people into prostitutes. I didn't have a good answer.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:10:05pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:10:26pm |
I guess I'm the only person here on a hot summers day that rolls down the windows and plays the the radio full blast to Tom Petty and sings as loud as possible..
Well she was an American Girl
Raised on promises
/That was me passing you up..
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Stanghazi Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:12:12pm |
re: #147 HoosierHoops
I guess I'm the only person here on a hot summers day that rolls down the windows and plays the the radio full blast to Tom Petty and sings as loud as possible..
Well she was an American Girl
Raised on promises
/That was me passing you up..
Hoops, we totally connect on Petty and that song in partic.
(you know he's from G-Ville?)
"out on 441"
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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:12:51pm |
re: #130 Jimmah
Oh yeah - ice and I watched it here recently. I thought it was a really excellent movie, and hilarious too.
Some people, unfortunately seemed to think it was 'soft on radical Islam and terrorism' because it didn't flash the phrase 'evil destroyers of civilisation' up on the screen every few seconds or something like that. (Yeah that's my comment at the bottom, btw.)
I actually think it took an excellent approach in making jihadists look idiotic and seriously uncool. Scenes like the one where the jihadist couple are discussing how wonderful it is to blow oneself up for Allah with their young son were appropriately creepy. It's beyond me how anyone could see it as 'humanising terrorism'.
Those were my thoughts as well. Most of the slapstick lol scenes were in the trailer and missed the point. The last 15 minutes of the movie really impressed me. The scene with the wanna be martyr, up late at night with his family has really stuck with me. His son says (without a hint of irony), "your soul will reach paradise before your head hits the ceiling" was something that really stuck with me along with the rendition scene while the credits are rolling. The movie was much more than I thought it would be.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:13:00pm |
re: #141 negativ
Without Black Sabbath, there's no heavy metal.
Without the genre known as "blues", there's no heavy metal. Led Zep was one of the first bands the term "heavy metal" was applied to.
But yeah, Sabbath is in a class by itself. They took this brand new thing and cranked it up to eleventy. Probably the only band of many that I spun to the point of addiction in my teens, and am still not sick of.
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Stanghazi Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:13:07pm |
re: #147 HoosierHoops
I guess I'm the only person here on a hot summers day that rolls down the windows and plays the the radio full blast to Tom Petty and sings as loud as possible..
Well she was an American Girl
Raised on promises
/That was me passing you up..
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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:14:39pm |
re: #138 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Absolute victory for the NCR and neutral karma for me and the end.
NCR apologist scum!
/I'm busy eradicating them now
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:14:46pm |
Ludwig, if you are still on, a big sarcastic thank you for mentioning the term 'otherkin' earlier. I'm reading forums now.
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Kragar Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:14:55pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:15:16pm |
re: #112 Stanley Sea
If anyone does Karoke, this is the ultimate song to do.
No. This instead:
Note: there's not enough alcohol on the planet to persuade me to engage in karaoke shenanigans.
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Kragar Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:15:38pm |
re: #153 Killgore Trout
NCR apologist scum!
/I'm busy eradicating them now
Did that last time.
Think I'll finally let Mr House live the next time.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:15:42pm |
re: #143 Lidane
Two incredible bands that are criminally ignored and underrated, especially The Replacements. Paul Westerberg doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves.
Here's a Paul Westerberg tidbit my wife showed me (she's a hardcore fan):
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Jimmah Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:16:08pm |
re: #125 Lidane
Yep. The only album of theirs I ever owned was Bandwagonesque, but I like what I've heard of their music.
Cool! Their biggest hit was a collaboration with De La Soul, from the soundtrack of "Judgement Night" :
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:18:40pm |
re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth
Without the genre known as "blues", there's no heavy metal. Led Zep was one of the first bands the term "heavy metal" was applied to.
But yeah, Sabbath is in a class by itself. They took this brand new thing and cranked it up to eleventy. Probably the only band of many that I spun to the point of addiction in my teens, and am still not sick of.
"I like smoke and lightning
heavy metal thunder"
Steppenwolf 68
the roots of 'heavy metal' precede Sabbath by a long ways
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:19:43pm |
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b_sharp Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:20:20pm |
re: #141 negativ
Black Sabbath are on a completely different plane. I can understand why people are fans of Deep Purple and/or Led Zep, but Black Sabbath invented a whole sub-genre of rock music. Without Black Sabbath, there's no heavy metal.
I'm not sure of that. Led Zep and Iron Butterfly were both 'heavy' back then and were also considered 'acid rock' at the time. I don't think the term 'heavy metal' was coined until later and there were several bands influential in its creation.
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Stanghazi Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:20:29pm |
re: #156 negativ
re: #156 negativ
No. This instead:
[Video]
Note: there's not enough alcohol on the planet to persuade me to engage in karaoke shenanigans.
Ha! I moved to a place where the local spot has major Karaoke every nite. It's a big deal. I was there one night and saw the professionals show up. I'll go back again though. I'll be the first girl to sing Better Man. (and I'll report back)
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b_sharp Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:21:12pm |
re: #147 HoosierHoops
I guess I'm the only person here on a hot summers day that rolls down the windows and plays the the radio full blast to Tom Petty and sings as loud as possible..
Well she was an American Girl
Raised on promises
/That was me passing you up..
Who? Tom Pretty?
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:22:22pm |
Smoked Turkey product recall. Possible contamination with Listeria monocytogenes.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:22:44pm |
re: #160 albusteve
the roots of 'heavy metal' precede Sabbath by a long ways
'Zactly what I was sayin'. They precede Steppenwolf by a long ways, as well.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:22:45pm |
re: #162 b_sharp
I'm not sure of that. Led Zep and Iron Butterfly were both 'heavy' back then and were also considered 'acid rock' at the time. I don't think the term 'heavy metal' was coined until later and there were several bands influential in its creation.
some say the Beatles 'Ticket to Ride' was the first metal tune...then 'Helter Skelter'...and that's one band....metal goes back a long way
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b_sharp Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:24:44pm |
re: #160 albusteve
"I like smoke and lightning
heavy metal thunder"
Steppenwolf 68the roots of 'heavy metal' precede Sabbath by a long ways
D'oh! I completely forgot about Steppenwolf.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:25:07pm |
re: #167 albusteve
I'd say Helter Skelter was more "punk" than "metal". Splitting hairs, I know, but there it is.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:25:24pm |
re: #159 Jimmah
Cool! Their biggest hit was a collaboration with De La Soul, from the soundtrack of "Judgement Night" :
[Video]
I vaguely remember that movie, mostly because it was set on the South Side of Chicago.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:25:29pm |
re: #164 b_sharp
Who? Tom Pretty?
I got a speeding ticket driving here..on Highway 44 west going around 90..
I was blasting Delbert McClinton full blast...
They should have let me off on general principles
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Jimmah Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:27:39pm |
re: #150 Killgore Trout
Those were my thoughts as well. Most of the slapstick lol scenes were in the trailer and missed the point. The last 15 minutes of the movie really impressed me. The scene with the wanna be martyr, up late at night with his family has really stuck with me. His son says (without a hint of irony), "your soul will reach paradise before your head hits the ceiling" was something that really stuck with me along with the rendition scene while the credits are rolling. The movie was much more than I thought it would be.
Agree with all of that. I also liked that it showed how acting on a bigoted/uninformed view which regards all religious muslims as terrorists is not only unjust but also plays into the hands of terrorists. I suspect that is what really irked the wingnuts who disliked the movie.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:29:08pm |
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:29:52pm |
re: #173 HoosierHoops
I got a speeding ticket driving here..on Highway 44 west going around 90..
I was blasting Delbert McClinton full blast...
They should have let me off on general principles
in Texas, they might have....here's some Delbert
buckle up
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Political Atheist Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:30:31pm |
Super clear night for photography. We just got back. Cold beer time!
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Jimmah Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:31:00pm |
re: #153 Killgore Trout
NCR apologist scum!
/I'm busy eradicating them now
I somehow ended up giving victory to the 'Yes Man', whom I especially hated. I was banking on having an option to fuck him up right at the end, but it didn't workout that way. Gaah.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:31:37pm |
re: #153 Killgore Trout
NCR apologist scum!
/I'm busy eradicating them now
I'm travelling with Cass, and we're planning to kill the shit out of every Legion slaver / rapist / self-absorbed asshole that has the misfortune to find him- or herself in our vicinity. We've got plenty of ammo and just enough whisky. We're going to settle in at the 188 Trading Post for the night. That girl "Veronica" can't seem to keep her eyeballs off Cass. I don't know whether to feel threatened or intrigued.
Anyway, as for YOU, I heard the Kings were looking for an errand boy. Run along now, shoo.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:34:00pm |
re: #174 Jimmah
Agree with all of that. I also liked that it showed how acting on a bigoted/uninformed view which regards all religious muslims as terrorists is not only unjust but also plays into the hands of terrorists. I suspect that is what really irked the wingnuts who disliked the movie.
I think its also that its a foreign movie that aims to teach a lesson. Many Americans don't want to hear lessons from foreigners just on general principals.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:34:02pm |
re: #176 albusteve
I think Delbert is the best..period
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freetoken Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:35:22pm |
Jeff Sharlet and Amy Sullivan discuss Beck, Geller, and associated idiocy:
[Link: bloggingheads.tv...]
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Stanghazi Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:35:59pm |
5 minutes ago via SocialOomph
CuriousLurker
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Retweeted by you and 1 other
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Kragar Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:37:05pm |
re: #180 negativ
I'm travelling with Cass, and we're planning to kill the shit out of every Legion slaver / rapist / self-absorbed asshole that has the misfortune to find him- or herself in our vicinity. We've got plenty of ammo and just enough whisky. We're going to settle in at the 188 Trading Post for the night. That girl "Veronica" can't seem to keep her eyeballs off Cass. I don't know whether to feel threatened or intrigued.
Anyway, as for YOU, I heard the Kings were looking for an errand boy. Run along now, shoo.
Veronica and Boone are my 2 favorite companions.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:37:15pm |
Four Lions - Jihadi Video (unused scene)
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Jimmah Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:38:53pm |
re: #182 Dark_Falcon
I think its also that its a foreign movie that aims to teach a lesson. Many Americans don't want to hear lessons from foreigners just on general principals.
The post I linked to was actually a British site -'Harry's Place'. I used to like it, but it's been getting increasingly wingnutty IMO. Don't see anything there by David T or Edmund Standing these days either.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:40:57pm |
re: #188 Jimmah
The post I linked to was actually a British site -'Harry's Place'. I used to like it, but it's been getting increasingly wingnutty IMO. Don't see anything there by David T or Edmund Standing these days either.
Just about every internet site seems to get pulled to one extreme or the other, unless they have very strong moorings.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:41:33pm |
re: #160 albusteve
"I like smoke and lightning
heavy metal thunder"
Steppenwolf 68the roots of 'heavy metal' precede Sabbath by a long ways
No.
Just because the guy from Steppenwolf said the phrase "heavy metal thunder" doesn't make his band a heavy metal band.
to the contrary:
to the other contrary:
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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:42:04pm |
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:42:21pm |
re: #183 HoosierHoops
I think Delbert is the best..period
myth has it that in the old days, on tour of Europe, Delbert taught a young John Lennon how to blow a harp....he has been everywhere, done everything and is certainly the pride of Texas...he rules, period
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:43:05pm |
re: #192 Killgore Trout
No shocker there.
Yeah. Fuck them all and the boat they floated in on. Bunch of whiny assed stupid asses.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:43:51pm |
re: #191 negativ
No.
Just because the guy from Steppenwolf said the phrase "heavy metal thunder" doesn't make his band a heavy metal band.
to the contrary:
[Video]
in the song, the lyric referred to choppers....but if you deny the significance and influence of Steppenwolf, you are mistaken
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Jimmah Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:44:23pm |
re: #189 Dark_Falcon
Just about every internet site seems to get pulled to one extreme or the other, unless they have very strong moorings.
They always had a seriously lax policy regarding what they would allow - even to the point of letting people from the BNP post there in the comments. Of course the idea was to expose their idiocy, but I think they got 'overton windowed'.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:44:38pm |
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:45:59pm |
re: #198 Gus 802
The douche in San Diego.
everybody in San Diego is a douch....be more specific
(what?)
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freetoken Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:46:11pm |
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freetoken Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:46:37pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:46:51pm |
re: #199 albusteve
everybody in San Diego is a douch...be more specific
(what?)
My AUNT lives in San Diego. Be polite.
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:47:04pm |
re: #199 albusteve
everybody in San Diego is a douch...be more specific
(what?)
Go look at Drudge. It's the link on Napolitano's image.
D-r-u-d-g-e.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:47:20pm |
re: #193 albusteve
myth has it that in the old days, on tour of Europe, Delbert taught a young John Lennon how to blow a harp...he has been everywhere, done everything and is certainly the pride of Texas...he rules, period
I read that story in a book called the Children of the Blues..Great book
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:48:26pm |
all the bad boys are standing in the shadows
all the good girls are home with broken hearts...
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:49:40pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:50:17pm |
re: #203 Gus 802
Go look at Drudge. It's the link on Napolitano's image.
D-r-u-d-g-e.
I won't look at this closely enough to determine if this person has a reasonable grudge. Either way, what would Drudge et al like to be done? Do they say we do not need airport security at all, or are there changes they would like to make?
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:50:53pm |
re: #204 HoosierHoops
I read that story in a book called the Children of the Blues..Great book
read Palmers masterpiece on the Delta blues...as for your book, I'm googling now
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:51:06pm |
re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist
I won't look at this closely enough to determine if this person has a reasonable grudge. Either way, what would Drudge et al like to be done? Do they say we do not need airport security at all, or are there changes they would like to make?
This garbage:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:51:55pm |
re: #206 albusteve
all the bad boys are standing in the shadows
all the good girls are home with broken hearts...
[Video]
So are the vampires mentioned in the first line of that verse fearsome vamps like in Blade or whiny emos like in Twlight?
///
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:53:29pm |
re: #210 albusteve
read Palmers masterpiece on the Delta blues...as for your book, I'm googling now
Children of the Blues...
that's Luther Allison on the cover, with his son Bernard....I met them both, at different times
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:53:37pm |
re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist
I won't look at this closely enough to determine if this person has a reasonable grudge. Either way, what would Drudge et al like to be done? Do they say we do not need airport security at all, or are there changes they would like to make?
The blowhards don't want to get scanned by the AIT machine. Then same said blowhards don't want to be manually searched. Said blowhards also try and equate being searched with sex and the really freaky ones try to compare being hand searched by the TSA to rape.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:54:57pm |
re: #214 Stanley Sea
HEY
Yeah. Speak with more respect to the woman who was on the front lines as Los Zetas surged north over the border.
/
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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:55:23pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:55:39pm |
re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist
I won't look at this closely enough to determine if this person has a reasonable grudge. Either way, what would Drudge et al like to be done? Do they say we do not need airport security at all, or are there changes they would like to make?
They're like Code Pink, SFZ. The point is not to actually do something, its to showcase their moral superiority and feed their fantasy of "fighting government tyranny".
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:56:10pm |
re: #216 Gus 802
The blowhards don't want to get scanned by the AIT machine. Then same said blowhards don't want to be manually searched. Said blowhards also try and equate being searched with sex and the really freaky ones try to compare being hand searched by the TSA to rape.
it's an intrusive failure, with little evidence it does any good....the entire TSA is a huge, wasteful bust...unlike you, I will not submit
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:56:13pm |
re: #215 albusteve
Children of the Blues...
that's Luther Allison on the cover, with his son Bernard...I met them both, at different times
And a year ago I offered to send you the book but you were too shy..It went to some one else...
I sure sent a lot of stuff away Steve
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Stanghazi Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:56:25pm |
re: #217 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. Speak with more respect to the woman who was on the front lines as Los Zetas surged north over the border.
/
We, and our own internet group held those fucking Zetas back.
What a night it was.
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:56:57pm |
re: #220 albusteve
it's an intrusive failure, with little evidence it does any good...the entire TSA is a huge, wasteful bust...unlike you, I will not submit
OK Be a TSA-truther for all I care.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:57:30pm |
re: #221 HoosierHoops
And a year ago I offered to send you the book but you were too shy..It went to some one else...
I sure sent a lot of stuff away Steve
I'm gonna buy it....and I'm thankful for your generosity
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:57:52pm |
Don't submit. Get blown up. Yeah, right. If Bushie was president we wouldn't be hearing half of what we're hearing.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:57:59pm |
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:58:29pm |
Anywho. Sorry to interrupt football night and the 2000th conversation on Tom Petty.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:59:27pm |
re: #227 Gus 802
Anywho. Sorry to interrupt football night and the 2000th conversation on Tom Petty.
such a turd
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:59:29pm |
re: #216 Gus 802
The blowhards don't want to get scanned by the AIT machine. Then same said blowhards don't want to be manually searched. Said blowhards also try and equate being searched with sex and the really freaky ones try to compare being hand searched by the TSA to rape.
So, are they willing to take the chance that more moderate measures may lead to terrorist incidents, in the name of freedom, or do they believe that the AIT machine and hand searches are ineffective?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 8:59:35pm |
re: #222 Stanley Sea
We, and our own internet group held those fucking Zetas back.
What a night it was.
The Adventures of the 119th Chairborne.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:00:43pm |
re: #230 Dark_Falcon
The Adventures of the 119th Chairborne.
I felt terrible for that lady in Laredo who barricaded herself in her house.
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:00:47pm |
re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist
So, are they willing to take the chance that more moderate measures may lead to terrorist incidents, in the name of freedom, or do they believe that the AIT machine and hand searches are ineffective?
I guess the former. Overall it's just another case of whiny ass Americans.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:01:50pm |
re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist
So, are they willing to take the chance that more moderate measures may lead to terrorist incidents, in the name of freedom, or do they believe that the AIT machine and hand searches are ineffective?
nuke me, I don't give a damn....
just leave me the hell alone
so how many terrorist attacks have been thwarted by the TSA?...exactly none, they are not as stupid as the sheep lined up at the terminals
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:02:23pm |
re: #186 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Veronica and Boone are my 2 favorite companions.
I hung around with Boone for a while. He's a weird dude. I fully understand that what happened to his wife could certainly mess a guy up. He just seems to be not fully aware of how messed up he is. He tried to fondle my junk while I was asleep. You and I both know that, out here in the desolate irradiated ruins of the American Dream, normal rules don't really apply. But we've got to hold on to some semblance of normality; otherwise, we all might as well just join up with the Fiends of the Powder Gangers.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:04:32pm |
re: #232 Gus 802
I guess the former. Overall it's just another case of whiny ass Americans.
just for that I need a urine sample from you...it's for your own good really
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:04:44pm |
re: #207 Gus 802
What is this VH-1?
/
YOU ASKED FOR IT
Everything that can be wrong with anything is wrong with that.
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:05:38pm |
re: #235 albusteve
just for that I need a urine sample from you...it's for your own good really
No problem. I piss enough to provide urine samples for all of NYC.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:06:26pm |
re: #232 Gus 802
I guess the former. Overall it's just another case of whiny ass Americans.
Well, the TSA does need some reforms, but the yelling and posturing of the Paulians is not the way to open such a discussion. But then again, its never been about actually getting things done with them.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:08:03pm |
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:08:10pm |
re: #236 negativ
YOU ASKED FOR IT
[Video]Everything that can be wrong with anything is wrong with that.
Blech. Sammy Hagar. What a bore.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:09:01pm |
re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist
I felt terrible for that lady in Laredo who barricaded herself in her house.
I feel sort of terrible for anyone who lives in Laredo. What's the story about the barricaded woman? (note: Rule 34 is stipulated)
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:09:35pm |
re: #239 Dark_Falcon
TMI, Gus.
I don't care. I tried sleeping before and I kept waking up every damn fucking hour. I also ran out of cigarettes this morning. I now fully capable of decapitating a chicken with my teeth.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:09:59pm |
re: #238 Dark_Falcon
Well, the TSA does need some reforms, but the yelling and posturing of the Paulians is not the way to open such a discussion. But then again, its never been about actually getting things done with them.
bull hockey....Americans need to scream their asses off at the govt, the louder the better...elected officials are hip to posturing, it's the first thing they learn...and further, you do not know what's in the heart of every person that yells....an affliction that overwhelms half the posts here
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:11:05pm |
re: #242 Gus 802
I don't care. I tried sleeping before and I kept waking up every damn fucking hour. I also ran out of cigarettes this morning. I now fully capable of decapitating a chicken with my teeth.
Thursday is National Quit Smoking Day....get on board
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:11:17pm |
re: #243 albusteve
bull hockey...Americans need to scream their asses off at the govt, the louder the better...elected officials are hip to posturing, it's the first thing they learn...and further, you do not know what's in the heart of every person that yells...an affliction that overwhelms half the posts here
Yes because every problem we face in America is ALL the governments fault.
All hail BP!
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:12:04pm |
re: #244 albusteve
Thursday is National Quit Smoking Day...get on board
If I quit it's because it's too damn expensive.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:12:35pm |
re: #245 Gus 802
Yes because every problem we face in America is ALL the governments fault.
All hail BP!
no, most of the problems I blame on you and your barefoot cousins
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:13:13pm |
re: #245 Gus 802
Yes because every problem we face in America is ALL the governments fault.
All hail BP!
Hail Malthus.
(trivia quiz - name the broadway musical that ends with that line above?)
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:13:26pm |
re: #247 albusteve
no, most of the problems I blame on you and your barefoot cousins
Yeah. Myself I blame it all on people over 55 years old.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:14:41pm |
re: #241 negativ
I feel sort of terrible for anyone who lives in Laredo. What's the story about the barricaded woman? (note: Rule 34 is stipulated)
A story got out on some of the more volatile blogs that the city of Laredo had been taken over by Los Zetas. The Laredo PD was denying this, and on the face of it it didn't seem real likely, but you know what the usual suspects are like.
Anyone, one of the people who believed this story told us that some female relative of his lived in Laredo, and she was barricaded inside her house, fearing for her life.
We always hoped she came out after it became clear that stories of the conquest of Laredo had been considerably overstated.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:17:01pm |
re: #246 Gus 802
If I quit it's because it's too damn expensive.
I'm a quitter, getting set up for Thurs...I take every little advantage, but I can buy primo tobacco out here for 3.50 a pack....it's about avoidance for me...when I quit, I don't want to look at it, smell it, be around other smokers...I quit drinking, change every habit connected with tobacco...yet I've never conquered the habit for longer than maybe three years...it will kill me no doubt
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:17:03pm |
re: #248 Walter L. Newton
Hail Malthus.
(trivia quiz - name the broadway musical that ends with that line above?)
I take it has something to do with urine?
/
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:17:50pm |
re: #248 Walter L. Newton
Hail Malthus.
(trivia quiz - name the broadway musical that ends with that line above?)
Hi Walter,
Did you ever see Sir Lawrence Olivier and Michael Caine in Sleuth.
If so what did you think of it?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:18:58pm |
re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist
So, are they willing to take the chance that more moderate measures may lead to terrorist incidents, in the name of freedom, or do they believe that the AIT machine and hand searches are ineffective?
It doesn't matter. The nutters will bitch about airport security measures going to far, then bitch about them not going far enough when an incident occurs. It's just immature "I hate Obama" spewing. Pathetic.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:19:56pm |
re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist
A story got out on some of the more volatile blogs that the city of Laredo had been taken over by Los Zetas. The Laredo PD was denying this, and on the face of it it didn't seem real likely, but you know what the usual suspects are like.
Anyone, one of the people who believed this story told us that some female relative of his lived in Laredo, and she was barricaded inside her house, fearing for her life.
We always hoped she came out after it became clear that stories of the conquest of Laredo had been considerably overstated.
take over Laredo?
man, somebody's been watching too much TV
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:23:14pm |
re: #255 albusteve
take over Laredo?
man, somebody's been watching too much TV
Yeah, and that TV was most likely Fox News.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:23:24pm |
Laredo is not some puny, dustblown, West Texas myth....it's a big ass town, FULL of cops and armed cowboys...Zeta should pick on some backwater, insigificant villa like San Diego, if you want to rule a whole town
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:25:12pm |
re: #253 ozbloke
Hi Walter,
Did you ever see Sir Lawrence Olivier and Michael Caine in Sleuth.
If so what did you think of it?
I saw the movie a long time ago... recently I worked on a production of the stage play when I was employed at the theatre... ran the tech for the show. If you like that kind of show, you might want to catch a live performance of "Accomplice" by Rupert Holmes (yes, the Pina Colada song guy), which spoofs the "how many combinations of possible killers can we get out of a cast of four." Very clever and very funny.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:25:26pm |
re: #254 Slumbering Behemoth
It doesn't matter. The nutters will bitch about airport security measures going to far, then bitch about them not going far enough when an incident occurs. It's just immature "I hate Obama" spewing. Pathetic.
nutters?
hahaha!
re read this and tell me who's the nutter
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:25:50pm |
re: #257 albusteve
Laredo is not some puny, dustblown, West Texas myth...it's a big ass town, FULL of cops and armed cowboys...Zeta should pick on some backwater, insigificant villa like San Diego, if you want to rule a whole town
The SEALs are based near San Diego. The Zetas would get their asses kicked up past their heads if they went near San Diego.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:27:14pm |
re: #256 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, and that TV was most likely Fox News.
who cares...that means nothing, if it wasn't Fox, it'd be somebody else...people are stupid, regardless of Fox or not
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:28:20pm |
Does anyone here regularly watch "House"?
In the event you are a regular watcher of House, I would greatly appreciate a dumbed-down explanation of the final 5 to 10 minutes of last Monday's episode. I watched it twice and I thoroughly fail to "get it."
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:29:05pm |
re: #260 Dark_Falcon
The SEALs are based near San Diego. The Zetas would get their asses kicked up past their heads if they went near San Diego.
good eye, scratch that idea
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:29:15pm |
re: #255 albusteve
take over Laredo?
man, somebody's been watching too much TV
It was on Examiner.com, but their source seemed to be a phone call with some militia dude in Texas...it got out of control very quickly. Meanwhile, Laredo PD was losing their minds with the calls coming in...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:29:42pm |
re: #259 albusteve
re read this and tell me who's the nutter
Easy peasy, lemon squezzie. The nutters are the ones who whine like little bitches no matter what happens. Did I stutter?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:29:43pm |
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:30:21pm |
re: #258 Walter L. Newton
I saw the movie a long time ago... recently I worked on a production of the stage play when I was employed at the theatre... ran the tech for the show. If you like that kind of show, you might want to catch a live performance of "Accomplice" by Rupert Holmes (yes, the Pina Colada song guy), which spoofs the "how many combinations of possible killers can we get out of a cast of four." Very clever and very funny.
Thanks Walter, I enjoyed Sleuth very much.
I thought the script was good, and acting superb.
I will see what I can find on 'Accomplice' in Oz.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:31:09pm |
re: #262 negativ
I watch but don't recall anything extraordinary.
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:31:11pm |
re: #264 SanFranciscoZionist
It was on Examiner.com, but their source seemed to be a phone call with some militia dude in Texas...it got out of control very quickly. Meanwhile, Laredo PD was losing their minds with the calls coming in...
good grief...Laredo is like a quarter million people alone...then the vast burbs...people are stupid
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:31:24pm |
re: #262 negativ
Does anyone here regularly watch "House"?
In the event you are a regular watcher of House, I would greatly appreciate a dumbed-down explanation of the final 5 to 10 minutes of last Monday's episode. I watched it twice and I thoroughly fail to "get it."
I haven't watched since the one where the kid swallows the dime.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:32:24pm |
re: #252 Gus 802
I take it has something to do with urine?
/
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Saw a live performance of that a few years ago. It was amusing, but less so than it should have been.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:33:12pm |
re: #267 ozbloke
Thanks Walter, I enjoyed Sleuth very much.
I thought the script was good, and acting superb.I will see what I can find on 'Accomplice' in Oz.
Good... it would probably never be made into a movie, because it requires a live audience, as even the audience becomes suspect in the murders... and it requires the ability to interact with the audience.
You may want to purchase a copy of the script...
[Link: www.samuelfrench.com...]
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albusteve Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:33:57pm |
re: #265 Slumbering Behemoth
Easy peasy, lemon squezzie. The nutters are the ones who whine like little bitches no matter what happens. Did I stutter?
waiting for the results from my Stutter Detector...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:33:59pm |
re: #270 Gus 802
I haven't watched since the one where the kid swallows the dime.
My little brother was on House?
(His coin got stuck, putrified, and had to be removed.)
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:34:40pm |
re: #274 EmmmieG
My little brother was on House?
(His coin got stuck, putrified, and had to be removed.)
Ouch. They cut out a section of his intestine?
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:36:00pm |
re: #272 Walter L. Newton
Good... it would probably never be made into a movie, because it requires a live audience, as even the audience becomes suspect in the murders... and it requires the ability to interact with the audience.
You may want to purchase a copy of the script...
[Link: www.samuelfrench.com...]
I was just looking at:
[Link: www.rupertholmes.com...]
It has a link to the script there.
Also the link I posted has embedded sound, the style of which reminded me of Sleuth immediately.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:36:17pm |
re: #275 Gus 802
Ouch. They cut out a section of his intestine?
No, it was higher up, in his esophagus, so I think they went down and pulled it out. He had been getting sick and couldn't get better, so they x-rayed.
This is, mind you, the same brother who has been forbidden by his wife ever to utter the words "Watch this," again, especially while driving his truck.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:38:01pm |
re: #277 EmmmieG
No, it was higher up, in his esophagus, so I think they went down and pulled it out. He had been getting sick and couldn't get better, so they x-rayed.
This is, mind you, the same brother who has been forbidden by his wife ever to utter the words "Watch this," again, especially while driving his truck.
Better to say "Watch this"as opposed to saying "Hold my beer. I got an idea".:)
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:38:32pm |
re: #277 EmmmieG
No, it was higher up, in his esophagus, so I think they went down and pulled it out. He had been getting sick and couldn't get better, so they x-rayed.
This is, mind you, the same brother who has been forbidden by his wife ever to utter the words "Watch this," again, especially while driving his truck.
He crashed his truck later in life?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:39:48pm |
re: #279 Gus 802
He crashed his truck later in life?
Yes. He's a wee bit of a redneck. Well, more than a wee bit.
This is also my baby brother, so later in life was, I think, twenty-two.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:48:05pm |
Dang. Thread-killer.
I would think that crashing your truck would be a good topic.
Not as much fun as the sister who crashed a car because she was checking out a guy on the side of the road, but still.
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:49:22pm |
re: #282 EmmmieG
Dang. Thread-killer.
I would think that crashing your truck would be a good topic.
Not as much fun as the sister who crashed a car because she was checking out a guy on the side of the road, but still.
Did he get hurt bad?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:50:28pm |
re: #284 Gus 802
Did he get hurt bad?
My brother? No. He's always been phenomenally lucky that way. He rolled a car once with no injuries to show for it.
The only thing hurt in my sister's crash was her pride.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:50:37pm |
re: #282 EmmmieG
I got a few 'road head' stories. Think that would liven the thread up, or just kill it more?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:51:03pm |
re: #286 Slumbering Behemoth
I got a few 'road head' stories. Think that would liven the thread up, or just kill it more?
Do I want to know what that means?
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Kragar Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:55:34pm |
I once spun out during rush hour traffic during a rain storm. Started in the far left lain, did 2 360 degree spins across 3 lanes and ended up pointing the right way on the right shoulder without a scratch on me.
Sat there for about 10 minutes before I worked up the nerve to drive again.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:58:07pm |
re: #287 EmmmieG
Do I want to know what that means?
If you don't already know, I'd wager you probably don't wanna. :P
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:58:31pm |
Hmmm...
Thread was moving before I got here.
Thread is dead now.
I think I am a thread Jonah tonight, and I need to go to bed anyway, so I will see you all later.
--drive safe
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:58:46pm |
re: #288 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I once spun out during rush hour traffic during a rain storm. Started in the far left lain, did 2 360 degree spins across 3 lanes and ended up pointing the right way on the right shoulder without a scratch on me.
Sat there for about 10 minutes before I worked up the nerve to drive again.
I take it during the spins you got tee see cars going by sideways and in varying directions?
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:59:35pm |
re: #290 EmmmieG
Hmmm...
Thread was moving before I got here.
Thread is dead now.
I think I am a thread Jonah tonight, and I need to go to bed anyway, so I will see you all later.
--drive safe
Typically shuts down around this time.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Nov 14, 2010 10:01:42pm |
re: #292 Gus 802
So this one time, I was on the highway with my girlfriend, driving her to her folk's house, and she gives me this "look"...
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 10:02:45pm |
re: #293 Slumbering Behemoth
So this one time, I was on the highway with my girlfriend, driving her to her folk's house, and she gives me this "look"...
What kind of look? The "oh shit we're about to a cement truck" look?
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Nov 14, 2010 10:06:03pm |
Oh well... just about ready to head to work... another overnight shift, and then two days off.
Night all...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Nov 14, 2010 10:06:59pm |
re: #294 Gus 802
Nah, more like the "How good are you at driving under extreme distraction?" look. Turns out, pretty damn good.
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Gus Sun, Nov 14, 2010 10:08:51pm |
re: #296 Slumbering Behemoth
Nah, more like the "How good are you at driving under extreme distraction?" look. Turns out, pretty damn good.
Aha. Got it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Nov 14, 2010 10:11:41pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Nov 14, 2010 10:27:53pm |
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deranged cat Sun, Nov 14, 2010 11:14:17pm |
Since we're on the subject of music.. I heard about a guy named "Hauschka" on NPR this weekend. he's a german pianist who puts various objects on the strings in a piano (called "Prepared Piano") with some really awesome results.
check it out!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Nov 14, 2010 11:34:41pm |
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Nov 15, 2010 12:17:56am |
re: #302 deranged cat
Since we're on the subject of music.. I heard about a guy named "Hauschka" on NPR this weekend. he's a german pianist who puts various objects on the strings in a piano (called "Prepared Piano") with some really awesome results.
check it out!
Here is a good example of prepared piano, Tori Amos playing Bells for Her Live at Montreal in '94. I had second row seats for the Seattle performance:
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:17:05am |
Richard Burton as first voice in Dylan Thomas's Under Milk Wood.
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deranged cat Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:18:16am |
re: #303 Slumbering Behemoth
hell yea man. as one of my friends said, "any time spent NOT listening to NPR in the car is time wasted"
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:38:36am |
Boker tov honcos!
Just checking in before I head out to work.
Heigh ho, heigh ho!
Still having problems with "zionistmall.com" domain name, it's not resolving to the new server. The hosting service told me to give them 24 hours for the new IP to propagate, then I'll be pissed.
In the meantime, you can still visit the Zionist Mall through the main portal. I added some new Ahava products, they make great stocking stuffers!
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:56:30am |
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:17:35am |
re: #309 Alouette
Wishing much success and only good luck on the new job!!!
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Fart Knocker Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:20:41am |
Good Morning Lizards!
A politician needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
- Winston Churchill
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:27:45am |
re: #310 Varek Raith
I'd like to be there when they meet God.
Well, not really. I kind of hope they meet God a lot sooner than I do.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:28:55am |
re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'd like to be there when they meet God.
Well, not really. I kind of hope they meet God a lot sooner than I do.
That would be pricless.
"Before you judge them, let me get some popcorn."
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HAL2010 Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:42:12am |
Afternoon!
That song was crazy, must have taken some practice!
On another note, here is music from my favourite computer game ever, Command and Conquer, with a North Korean military parade.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:04:34am |
re: #316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not only is the music terrible in this one, but something else is off.
Can't quite put my finger on it.
Likewise this one:
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:10:19am |
Here is a news story about my daughter's boyfriend.
Fell from a balcony and is now paralyzed.
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HAL2010 Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:14:47am |
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RogueOne Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:16:28am |
re: #310 Varek Raith
I assume you saw this?
Westboro protesters face jeers and slashed tires
[Link: www.tulsaworld.com...]
Shortly after finishing their protest at the funeral of Army Sgt. Jason James McCluskey of McAlester, a half-dozen protesters from Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan., headed to their minivan, only to discover that its front and rear passenger-side tires had been slashed.To make matters worse, as their minivan slowly hobbled away on two flat tires, with a McAlester police car following behind, the protesters were unable to find anyone in town who would repair their vehicle, according to police.
The minivan finally pulled over several blocks away in a shopping center parking lot, where AAA was called. A flatbed service truck arrived and loaded up the minivan. Assistant Police Chief Darrell Miller said the minivan was taken to Walmart for repairs.
Well played McAlester, well played.
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:23:12am |
re: #320 RogueOne
I normally do not cheer criminal damage to property, but:
Hurrah!
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RogueOne Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:37:47am |
re: #321 Taqyia2Me
I normally do not cheer criminal damage to property, but:
Hurrah!
I liked the fact that the whole town turned out to drown them out and then once the tires went flat (an act of god for all I know) no one would fix them for them.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:38:47am |
re: #324 RogueOne
I liked the fact that the whole town turned out to drown them out and then once the tires went flat (an act of god for all I know) no one would fix them for them.
They should have flipped the van.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:41:49am |
I was reading Oleg Budnitsky's brilliant article "The Intelligentsia Meets the Enemy: Educated Soviet Officers in Defeated Germany, 1945" (Kritika, 2009, vol. 10, no. 3) and came upon this bit:
“Jewish revanche” in Germany occurred unexpectedly, although participants in the action themselves were the last ones to think of it in precisely these terms. Elena Kogan was part of the group that was tasked with finding Hitler, or what remained of him. After the discovery of the remains, for a time she kept Hitler’s teeth, which were placed in a box that had held perfume or cheap jewelry (there was no safe on hand). Not for a moment could she take her eyes off the box, which contained the only incontrovertible proof of the identity of the burned body discovered in the courtyard of the Reichskanzlerei, and of Hitler. Kogan was annoyed that she had to drag around the box with Hitler’s teeth under her arm the whole time; it was inconvenient.The pathology examination of Hitler’s body was carried out under the supervision of the chief forensic expert of the First Belorussian Front, Lieutenant-Colonel Faust Iosifovich Shkaravskii. Even in his worst nightmare the Führer, who expended so much energy on the extermination of the Jews, could not have foreseen that his burned corpse would be opened up by a Jew with the symbolic name of Faust, and that a Jewish woman would drag his teeth around under her arm and, moreover, would be annoyed that they interfered with her celebrating the capitulation of the Third Reich.
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RogueOne Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:42:01am |
re: #325 Cannadian Club Akbar
Old School, that's what I like about you CCA.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:51:37am |
re: #326 Sergey Romanov
Who names their kid 'Faust', though? That's cheeky.
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Gus Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:52:26am |
Yawn, lame duck session begins in congress today. I think keep on Nancy Pelosi as minority leader is a big mistake. But, just like the GOP, the DNC will often go out of its way to prove that they too are the party of dinosaurs.
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RogueOne Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:53:12am |
re: #331 Gus 802
Like how quickly the Repubs have started backtracking on their vows to cut spending? It's a shocker, I know.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:54:02am |
PostWing Thought For The Day
True partisans can only see half the problem.
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Gus Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:54:15am |
re: #333 RogueOne
Like how quickly the Repubs have started backtracking on their vows to cut spending? It's a shocker, I know.
And the earmarks. Earmarks? Earmarks? Who said anything about cutting earmarks?
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:56:07am |
re: #335 Gus 802
And the earmarks. Earmarks? Earmarks? Who said anything about cutting earmarks?
/
Hello? Tap,tap, tap? Is this on?
//
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Gus Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:57:07am |
re: #336 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hello? Tap,tap, tap? Is this on?
//
[feedback]
Testing, testing, S, N, A, F, U.
/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:58:09am |
re: #330 Obdicut
Who names their kid 'Faust', though? That's cheeky.
Here's his photo:
[Link: www.pseudology.org...]
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Gus Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:59:31am |
So, after a historic loss in congress the Dems decide to keep their CEO. Something never change.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:59:47am |
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:00:42am |
re: #339 Gus 802
So, after a historic loss in congress the Dems decide to keep their CEO. Something never change.
They did get a ton of legislation passed in the face of huge amounts of obstructionism.
I don't like Pelosi. I'd rather she be replaced. But the Speaker's job is not to get lots of other Democrats elected, but to get legislation through the house.
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Gus Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:02:08am |
re: #341 Obdicut
They did get a ton of legislation passed in the face of huge amounts of obstructionism.
I don't like Pelosi. I'd rather she be replaced. But the Speaker's job is not to get lots of other Democrats elected, but to get legislation through the house.
You mean like the weak Wall Street reform legislation? Yeah, I suppose they passed some legislation.
Anyway, I should know better then to challenge the Democrats in this forum.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:03:15am |
re: #340 Obdicut
Wow, is that Hitler's corpse? Damn.
Yep.
I've never seen a dead monster before.
I'm sure you've seen something like this:
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cliffster Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:03:26am |
re: #339 Gus 802
So, after a historic loss in congress the Dems decide to keep their CEO. Something never change.
It makes sense to me. Democrats are taking the stance that the election had to do economic issues outside their control, not with people disapproving of their governing. If they get rid of Pelosi, it pokes a hole in that idea from the get go. I think keeping her as leader is the right move, as far as their strategy is concerned.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:04:05am |
re: #342 Gus 802
You mean like the weak Wall Street reform legislation? Yeah, I suppose they passed some legislation.
Anyway, I should know better then to challenge the Democrats in this forum.
Gus, for the love of god, things aren't black and white.
I think Pelosi should be replaced. I think that the weakness of Wall Street Reform is a very good example of why she should be replaced; legislation got through, but what was the quality of that legislation?
But in so far as the Democrats are a corporatist party that like legislation like that, Pelosi was successful.
In terms of what would be good for the American people, it'd be better not to have Pelosi.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:05:36am |
re: #343 Sergey Romanov
Yep.
I'm sure you've seen something like this:
OK, the pic doesn't work here but you get the point ;-)
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:07:12am |
re: #349 Sergey Romanov
You're right; I have seen that image of him. Disturbingly peaceful.
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cliffster Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:07:12am |
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Interesting Times Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:08:12am |
re: #345 Obdicut
I think Pelosi should be replaced. I think that the weakness of Wall Street Reform is a very good example of why she should be replaced; legislation got through, but what was the quality of that legislation?
But was that the fault of Pelosi, or the "where good legislation goes to die" Senate? From my vantage point, the House did the absolute best they could in the face of unified obstructionism from the GOP and their enablers in the Blue Dog caucus (who, by the way, got decimated the most in the midterm shellacking). The Dem base is fond of saying "when given the choice between Republican-lite and a real Republican, the real Republican wins every time" - in other words, Dems need to offer a compelling alternative instead of constantly going along with the rightward-moving Overton Window and simply trying to be a non-crazy version of the GOP.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:08:29am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:09:18am |
re: #350 Obdicut
You're right; I have seen that image of him. Disturbingly peaceful.
I take some solace in the fact that his last hours were spent in pain, alone.
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lawhawk Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:09:58am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Charlie Rangel's ethics trial opens up in the House today and if anyone thinks that it wont end with a slap on the wrist hasn't been paying attention.
Democrats need the live body and have weighed the pros-cons and found it to their advantage to keep him. Even GOPers know the utility of keeping Rangel around as a punching bag. They can raise funds against Democrats using Rangel's ethics lapses as a focus on Democrats' malfeasance.
So, it's in both parties' interests to keep him around even though had any one of us engaged in similar behavior, we'd have already been hauled before courts on tax evasion charges in multiple jurisdictions (NY, DC, and federal court on IRS tax evasion over a period of more than a decade) and then before courts in NY on corruption.
Instead, expect nothing more than a letter of censure or a reprimand. After all, Rangel's own constituents reelected him by a convincing landslide majority.
That's why this is a farce. And the joke is on us - and showcases the worst in the political system that cannot police itself effectively.
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cliffster Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:10:14am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:11:22am |
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:12:02am |
re: #352 publicityStunted
But was that the fault of Pelosi, or the "where good legislation goes to die" Senate?
Pelosi is a corporatist Democrat. She's fine with compromised legislation that benefits corporations above individuals.
From my vantage point, the House did the absolute best they could in the face of unified obstructionism from the GOP and their enablers in the Blue Dog caucus (who, by the way, got decimated the most in the midterm shellacking).
I agree with the last part, but not in the least with the first. The Democrats, including those in the House, completely balled-up the selling of health care reform. Yes, there was extreme FUD put out against it, but the case was not made at all well enough. They let it get away from them. And, because they did, they compromised the HCR bill down to a very weakened version of what we actually need.
The Dem base is fond of saying "when given the choice between Republican-lite and a real Republican, the real Republican wins every time" - in other words, Dems need to offer a compelling alternative instead of constantly going along with the rightward-moving Overton Window and simply trying to be a non-crazy version of the GOP.
I agree with that entirely. What I'm saying is that in many ways, Pelosi is a Republican-lite. Not on social issues, but on economic ones, the majority of the Democrats are corporatist and not willing to engage with the big solutions, the large changes that would actually make a difference.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:12:49am |
re: #354 Sergey Romanov
Yay.
By the way, I've always wanted to ask you what you think of Mikhail Bulgakov and Isaac Babel.
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cliffster Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:13:46am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:15:18am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:16:39am |
re: #359 Obdicut
Yay.
By the way, I've always wanted to ask you what you think of Mikhail Bulgakov and Isaac Babel.
Haven't read much Babel, though read enough about him. Bulgakov is great, but then again, I've read only M&M and short stories (Doctor's notes, Dog's heart etc.), i.e. the usual.
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darthstar Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:16:54am |
re: #361 Cannadian Club Akbar
Right up until the explosion. Just sayin.
/
Damn...I hate reading threads backward. What started out as a good conversation about illicit drugs winds back into a comment about body odor. It's like reverse evoloution, only different.
Mornin' everyone.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:19:47am |
re: #362 Sergey Romanov
The Master and Margarita is my favorite book of all time; I wish I could read the original, of course.
Babel is highly disturbing, and wonderful. He got tortured and killed on Stalin's orders, of course. One of my heroes.
My favorite quote of his:
“No iron can pierce the heart with such force as a period put just at the right place.”
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:21:03am |
re: #359 Obdicut
Yay.
By the way, I've always wanted to ask you what you think of Mikhail Bulgakov and Isaac Babel.
BTW, I recommend trying Bortko's "Heart of a dog", which is, as far as I'm concerned, a genial film, even though it's creator has gone bonkers lately and even joined the Communist party. It's on YT with engsubs:
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cliffster Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:21:41am |
re: #363 darthstar
Damn...I hate reading threads backward. What started out as a good conversation about illicit drugs winds back into a comment about body odor. It's like reverse evoloution, only different.
Mornin' everyone.
mornin'
ever watch The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? that movie is trippy. You should watch it.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:22:31am |
re: #365 Sergey Romanov
I don't understand how a Bulgakov fan can join the Communist Party-- or really any political party-- but I'll definitely watch it. Thanks. It's a great story, though one of the more depressing ones of Bulgakov's.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:24:09am |
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:26:13am |
re: #369 Sergey Romanov
Such profligacy of waste. It beggars the mind.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:26:51am |
re: #368 Obdicut
re: #368 Obdicut
I don't understand how a Bulgakov fan can join the Communist Party-- or really any political party-- but I'll definitely watch it. Thanks. It's a great story, though one of the more depressing ones of Bulgakov's.
I don't understand it either, but there you go. Recently Bortko also made M&M, but opinions on this one differ sharply. Here's a scene from Satan's ball (NVSFW):
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:28:43am |
Overnight temperatures warmed up last night. The frogs are singing this morning.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:34:54am |
This is getting a little attention this morning....
Geraldo ‘much more open minded’ about 9/11 thanks to NYC television ads
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:35:59am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:39:16am |
re: #374 Killgore Trout
This is getting a little attention this morning...
Geraldo ‘much more open minded’ about 9/11 thanks to NYC television ads
Good that they bring up Van Jones' resignation.
But really, once one goes with this "open-mindedness" thingie to the point of the brain falling out, everything goes - evolution denial, AGW denial, 9/11 "truth"...
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darthstar Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:41:24am |
re: #367 cliffster
mornin'
ever watch The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? that movie is trippy. You should watch it.
I couldn't. The idea of losing memories just freaks me the fuck out.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:43:20am |
re: #376 Sergey Romanov
Good that they bring up Van Jones' resignation.
But really, once one goes with this "open-mindedness" thingie to the point of the brain falling out, everything goes - evolution denial, AGW denial, 9/11 "truth"...
Other Fox hosts have been dabbling with 9-11 truth recently. I think it's an intentional change in direction form Fox management. A few Fox viewers will complain at first but they'll soon come to accept it as part of a larger agenda against the TSA and airport security screenings.
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lawhawk Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:46:43am |
re: #374 Killgore Trout
Geraldo should go lock himself in a frakkin' Capone vault. Then again, even if he did, there'd be nothing found in there because he's full of hot air (and himself).
The troofers long have focused on the collapse of 7WTC as being unexplainable because it collapsed hours after the Twin Towers collapsed, and ignore that there were multiple fires that were not being fought because of the precarious situation of debris from the Twin Towers still looming over the area - recall that hundreds of firefighters were killed in the tower collapses, and dozens of their vehicles were devastated as well. 7WTC had diesel generators and fuel tanks that fed those fires, and the building was heavily damaged from the collapsing North Tower (the same tower caused irreparable damage to Fiterman Hall - which is now in the process of being rebuilt across the street from the already rebuilt 7WTC).
The troofers focus on a couple of radio transmissions about firefighters pulling out of the towers - claiming that this was the call to pull the tower down - not to get firefighters out of harms' way because of the imminent collapse.
The entire scene after the collapsed twin towers was straight out of Dante's Inferno with fires and debris everywhere. And the precipitating event for the collapses were the planes striking both towers.
Moreover, the NIST report specifically dealt with the 7WTC collapse and noted that the collapses were due to structural damage to key structural members and prolonged exposure to fire that weakened the structures to the point of failure.
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Interesting Times Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:03:00am |
re: #378 Killgore Trout
Other Fox hosts have been dabbling with 9-11 truth recently. I think it's an intentional change in direction form Fox management. A few Fox viewers will complain at first but they'll soon come to accept it as part of a larger agenda against the TSA and airport security screenings.
"Geraldo Rivera and Glenn Beck have now changed their minds about 9/11 after the NIST videos were forced out. There is a fissure opening in the mainstream media now!"
-- posted on FB by an Alex Jones fan I happen to know
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:04:39am |
Wut? Beck also?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:04:42am |
re: #379 lawhawk
Some hot air readers are pissed about this but it's only because it's Geraldo. Kinda reminds me of when Steele first spoke out against the war in Afghanistan. There was initial outrage but the wingnuts soon fell into lockstep. I'll be the same with 9-11 truth.. Fox news hosts frequently appear on Alex Jones' show, Drudge links to infowars every day for weeks. Fox is testing 9-11 truth on weekends but it will soon become mainstream on their primetime shows.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:05:38am |
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:05:59am |
re: #381 Sergey Romanov
Wut? Beck also?
I've been reading your blog for the past day or so.
Most impressive work.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:12:36am |
Another reason for the acceptance of 9-11 truth....
George W. Bush Talks Bailout: No Regrets On TARP (VIDEO)
The Tea Party has no use for Bush and considers him part of the Cloward Piven conspiracy to destroy the country.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:15:04am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:16:10am |
re: #384 Varek Raith
I've been reading your blog for the past day or so.
Most impressive work.
Spasibo! We're an international team. Our most prolific writer, Roberto Muehlenkamp, is a German living in Portugal, Dr. Jon Harrison is a Briton residing in the US, Dr. Nick Terry is British, I'm Russian, and we also had Dr. Andrew E. Mathis (who has since stopped debating the deniers publicly), who is an American professor and the only Jewish member.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:18:59am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21:29am |
re: #389 Walter L. Newton
Who is ARC?
"Aktion Reinhardt Camps", the name of the former group running deathcamps.org.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:23:16am |
re: #355 lawhawk
Good morning!
Charlie didn't like the ethics hearing so he bolted...
Live-Blogging the Rangel Hearing: Rangel Walks Out
The public ethics trial of Representative Charles B. Rangel, Democrat of New York, on 13 charges of unethical behavior took a stunning turn Monday morning when Mr. Rangel walked out of the hearing 40 minutes after it began, complaining that it would be unfair to continue the process because he could no longer afford a lawyer.
And so, the hearing began without him.
The hearing, which comes after a two-year investigation of Mr. Rangel’s personal finances and fund-raising, began with the committee chairwoman and ranking Republican making somber opening statements.
But when Mr. Rangel was given the opportunity to make opening remarks, he complained that his lawyers withdrew from the case when he was unable to pay the $2 million bill he had run up or assure them that he could cover the additional $1 million it would cost to represent him at a hearing.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:24:52am |
re: #388 Killgore Trout
Heh. The store owner was a model of a level-headed small businessman, too.
Nice safe.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:25:37am |
re: #388 Killgore Trout
Soldiers Arrested After Locking Selves in Marijuana Dispensary During Attempted Robbery
Heh!
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:25:39am |
re: #391 NJDhockeyfan
Oh, you can afford a lawyer, Charlie. It may not be as fancy a lawyer as you're used to, but you can afford one.
[Link: www.cheaplawyers.com...]
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lawhawk Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:25:46am |
Meanwhile GOP Senator McConnell may once again hold up passage of the Zadroga 9/11 health compensation bill. Frakker.
The House already passed its legislation so it needs the Senate to pass in order for the President (who's already signaled his willingness to sign). Now's the time for Schumer and Gillinbrand and Menendez and Lautenberg to show that they know what they're doing and get the bill passed. Enough with the political tricks and get this legislation passed to deal with the continuing health problems for 9/11 responders.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:27:04am |
re: #394 Obdicut
Oh, you can afford a lawyer, Charlie. It may not be as fancy a lawyer as you're used to, but you can afford one.
[Link: www.cheaplawyers.com...]
The name of that site is just priceless.
;)
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:27:54am |
re: #390 Sergey Romanov
"Aktion Reinhardt Camps", the name of the former group running deathcamps.org.
And this is the website you reference?
[Link: www.deathcamps.org...]
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:28:24am |
re: #395 lawhawk
McConnell is getting attacked a lot from the right.
[Link: www.courier-journal.com...]
The bit from Bush's memoir's, which says that McConnell wanted Bush to bring troops home to help the GOP in the elections, is being talked about a lot.
I'm curious, though, why you focus on Schumer and the other Democrats while acknowledging that McConnell is the obstacle. Can you explain? What is it that you want them to do, exactly?
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lawhawk Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:29:20am |
re: #394 Obdicut
Tiny little violins for Rangel. He got himself into this mess. Let him do what so many of the rest of us would have to do to obtain a lawyer: take out loans to cover the costs. Or find a lawyer whose rates are lower.
And it's not like the House isn't going to expel him. They pretty much signaled that he's getting a slap on the wrist with a censure or reprimand. This is about him trying to play damage control and instead he comes off looking even worse (if that's possible) not that his constituents seem to mind one bit - they reelected him handily.
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lawhawk Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:31:03am |
re: #398 Obdicut
The NY and NJ delegations should be doing a whole lot more. Instead they whine and complain. If they were more effective in getting a deal done - this is politics after all - then this would not have dragged on for years.
McConnell is playing the politics more effectively than Schumer-
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:32:08am |
re: #400 lawhawk
The NY and NJ delegations should be doing a whole lot more. Instead they whine and complain. If they were more effective in getting a deal done - this is politics after all - then this would not have dragged on for years.
McConnell is playing the politics more effectively than Schumer-
There are some things one should not play politics with.
This is one of them.
Screw you, McConnell.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:34:51am |
re: #400 lawhawk
The NY and NJ delegations should be doing a whole lot more. Instead they whine and complain. If they were more effective in getting a deal done - this is politics after all - then this would not have dragged on for years.
McConnell is playing the politics more effectively than Schumer-
So you don't have any actual answer to what you want them to do. I figured as much.
The problem with McConnell blocking the legislation is not the Democrats. It's McConnell. The Democrats can't magically 'do a deal'. For some reason, you're blaming Democrats for the GOP not voting for the bill-- and further, casting them as whiners to boot. That's dumb as hell.
The Zadroga bill needs two Republican senators to sign on in order to pass. Insiders believe one is ready to join, but if McConnell said yes, many more likely would follow.
From the article:
The Zadroga bill needs two Republican senators to sign on in order to pass. Insiders believe one is ready to join, but if McConnell said yes, many more likely would follow."His vote is a lot more important than just his one vote - it's a lot more what he does as party leader," said one person involved in negotiations. "If he makes this a free vote, 10 or 15 Republicans will probably vote for it."
It needs two GOP senators. That's all. The Democrats are supporting it wholeheartedly. And yet somehow, the non-passage of the bill is the Democrat's fault.
Insane.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:35:07am |
re: #397 Walter L. Newton
And this is the website you reference?
[Link: www.deathcamps.org...]
This is the website that I mention in my #390. It has been overtaken by two assholes and it contains some forgeries, so it's no longer credible, for details see this.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:42:18am |
re: #399 lawhawk
Tiny little violins for Rangel. He got himself into this mess. Let him do what so many of the rest of us would have to do to obtain a lawyer: take out loans to cover the costs. Or find a lawyer whose rates are lower.
And it's not like the House isn't going to expel him. They pretty much signaled that he's getting a slap on the wrist with a censure or reprimand. This is about him trying to play damage control and instead he comes off looking even worse (if that's possible) not that his constituents seem to mind one bit - they reelected him handily.
Speaking of money for lawyers, do you think this will become another serious problem for Rangel?
Congressman Charles Rangel, whose ethics trial starts tomorrow, appears to have improperly used political-action committee money to pay for his defense.
Rangel tapped his National Leadership PAC for $293,000 to pay his main legal-defense team this year. He took another $100,000 from the PAC in 2009 to pay lawyer Lanny Davis.
Two legal experts told The Post such spending is against House rules.
"It's a breach of congressional ethics," one campaign-finance lawyer said.
Washington, DC, political lawyer Cleta Mitchell said there is "no authority for a member to use leadership PAC funds as a slush fund to pay for personal or official expenses."
Leadership PACs are typically used by politicians to donate money to other candidates.But Rangel seems to have run afoul of House ethics rules. Lawmakers are generally allowed to use campaign cash to pay their lawyers, but this is limited to money in their personal campaign committee and they must ask permission first, the campaign-finance lawyer said.
"The only campaign funds that a member may use to pay for congressional expenses are funds of his or her principal campaign committee -- not the funds of a leadership PAC or a multicandidate committee," according to the House Ethics Manual.
Legal fees tied to a campaign, election or performance of official duties are considered congressional expenses.
"Accepting money or payment for legal expenses from any other source, including a PAC, would be a gift and is barred by the House rules," the lawyer said.
The Ethics Committee had no comment. Rangel's office refused to comment on the PAC money.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:45:11am |
re: #403 Sergey Romanov
This is the website that I mention in my #390. It has been overtaken by two assholes and it contains some forgeries, so it's no longer credible, for details see this.
Geez, that Carmelo person acts an awful lot like a blog stalker.
Something we here are all too familiar with.
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lawhawk Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:46:11am |
re: #402 Obdicut
What can they do? They could have made a deal at any point on getting the legislation passed - by itself or as attached to any other piece of legislation. It's politics and the kind of deal that could have been done is as varied and infinite in possibility as anything else. McConnell is a roadblock to be sure, but a deal could be made.
Schumer isn't some neophyte. He's been around and knows how the politics gets done and how to make deals, and yet he hasn't come up with anything.
And yes, I can blame the Democrats if there is simply the need to get 1 vote. Where is Schumer and Reid and the rest of the Democrats to lean on the likes of McCain, Snowe, or any of the former Gang of 14 who are open to making some kind of deal?
As you say, they need only 2 GOPers to cross the aisle, and yet the Democrat leadership can't seem to find the one more to pressure by hook or crook. That's bad politics on the Democrats' side. Do they not have anything to trade off on this?
By the same token, there's plenty of blame for the GOP to be playing politics with this in the first place. McConnell could let this be a free vote, and if the Democrats give up something in return, they'd probably get this. It's how politics gets done as dirty as the whole thing is.
You want to blame McConnell - I blame both McConnell and obstructionist GOPers who play politics with this and ineffectual Democrats who are busy playing politics themselves and ignore the plight of these workers.
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lawhawk Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:47:00am |
re: #404 NJDhockeyfan
Not as far as this ethics trial is concerned. That additional problem could be brought in a separate ethics investigation at some point in the future (if at all).
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:50:35am |
re: #406 lawhawk
What can they do? They could have made a deal at any point on getting the legislation passed - by itself or as attached to any other piece of legislation. It's politics and the kind of deal that could have been done is as varied and infinite in possibility as anything else. McConnell is a roadblock to be sure, but a deal could be made.
So your real, actual answer is 'they could make a deal'. That's all you've got.
Schumer isn't some neophyte. He's been around and knows how the politics gets done and how to make deals, and yet he hasn't come up with anything.
I didn't realize you were privy to the private correspondence of Schumer. That must be awesome.
And yes, I can blame the Democrats if there is simply the need to get 1 vote. Where is Schumer and Reid and the rest of the Democrats to lean on the likes of McCain, Snowe, or any of the former Gang of 14 who are open to making some kind of deal?
This is insane. Where are the Democrats to lean on the GOP members? Why don't the GOP members simply do what's right and vote for it? Why is it up to the Democrats to force them to do so?
As you say, they need only 2 GOPers to cross the aisle, and yet the Democrat leadership can't seem to find the one more to pressure by hook or crook. That's bad politics on the Democrats' side. Do they not have anything to trade off on this?
Your partisanship is utterly clear. The GOP, en block, refuses to support a piece of legislation-- and your reaction is to blame the Democrats for not 'making a deal'.
You want to blame McConnell - I blame both McConnell and obstructionist GOPers who play politics with this and ineffectual Democrats who are busy playing politics themselves and ignore the plight of these workers.
Actually, you just blamed the Democrats. You say you blame the obstructionist GOPers, but your original post was only about how the Democrats suck because they can't make the deal. And you're still saying that. It's a nonsense argument.
Why won't the GOPers make a deal?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:55:37am |
re: #405 Varek Raith
Geez, that Carmelo person acts an awful lot like a blog stalker.
Something we here are all too familiar with.
There are still several fake blogs created by him from my name, easily found by googling. The thing is, Carmelo is (was) well-known on the Usenet as a vicious troll "Carmlo" (search at groups.google.com ). He was tormenting groups like alt.wicca and alt.pagan.
Here's a person describing him:
[Link: groups.google.com...]
The worst troll I've ever run up against was Carmelo Lisciotto,
known by many addresses, among them car...@hotmail.com. He lurked around
alt.pagan and alt.religion.wicca for about two years (and may still be
there, for all I know, since I unsubscribed those long ago). His gig
was posting inflammatory messages about burning the witches in the name
of God and wotnot, and he posted at least 200 times daily at his peak.
We actually thought he was legit until we saw him trolling alt.christnet
with "Hail Satan" posts, at which point he became more of a nuisance
than anything else. Killfiles were pretty effective against Carmelo,
provided you kept current with the various addresses he used, which he
changed about twice a month on average. "Minister Carm" apparently
found some kind of server that was religious-affiliated (and hence
wouldn't yank his account when we sent complaints to their abuse
address) at one point or another, which prompted the development of
about three moderated newsgroups, eventually.
I don't know why he decided to touch the topic of the Holocaust with his filthy hands, but that's the result.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:55:54am |
re: #408 Obdicut
So your real, actual answer is 'they could make a deal'. That's all you've got.
I didn't realize you were privy to the private correspondence of Schumer. That must be awesome.
This is insane. Where are the Democrats to lean on the GOP members? Why don't the GOP members simply do what's right and vote for it? Why is it up to the Democrats to force them to do so?
Your partisanship is utterly clear. The GOP, en block, refuses to support a piece of legislation-- and your reaction is to blame the Democrats for not 'making a deal'.
Actually, you just blamed the Democrats. You say you blame the obstructionist GOPers, but your original post was only about how the Democrats suck because they can't make the deal. And you're still saying that. It's a nonsense argument.
Why won't the GOPers make a deal?
Yeah, why are they opposed to this legislation?
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lawhawk Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:59:31am |
re: #408 Obdicut
That's all you have? Complaining that I can't come up with a deal and because I'm reading the politics of the situation as showing just how ineffectual the Democrats and Schumer and the NY delegation are in all this?
This should never have been politicized in the first place, but you'd like to ignore the fact that the Democrats did play games with the politics of the Act - relating to DADT.
There is, however, a major catch. Republicans are mounting a filibuster of the bill because Reid has also added an amendment to end the military's "don't ask, don't tell policy," and another to grant kids of illegal immigrants a chance at citizenship if they are in the armed services or college.Gillibrand won't be able to offer the 9/11 amendment unless the GOP relents on the filibuster.
"It's going to be tough to break the filibuster," admitted one Democratic aide. "But definitely, if we can get it done, we'd have a majority for the 9/11 bill."
It takes a three-fifths vote - 60 senators - to end a filibuster.
So, you want to ignore that part - that Reid wanted to include DADT in the measure, when a clean version would get passage?
Okay, we know where your loyalties are then.
Had Reid offered up a clean version without the bolded parts - this would have already passed. But since it hasn't, we've got you complaining about McConnell and the GOP when the politics is a wee bit more nuanced than you're willing to concede.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:59:54am |
re: #410 Varek Raith
It ends a tax break.
Under current law, certain payments (principally dividends, interest, and royalties) made by US-based entities to a parent company based overseas are subject to a 30 percent withholding tax. That requirement customarily is reduced or eliminated when the payment is made to a country with which the US has a tax treaty. Companies with parents based in tax haven countries are able to effectively bypass the withholding tax by routing payments through an affiliate in a tax treaty country, which then transfers the funds to the parent company. The provision would limit this practice by retaining the withholding tax on certain deductible payments (principally interest and royalties) to a foreign-based affiliate unless the tax would be reduced under a treaty if the payment were made directly to the company’s parent corporation.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:00:34am |
re: #410 Varek Raith
Yeah, why are they opposed to this legislation?
Simple.
As a GOP congressman said on the floor of the house -
"the rescue workers ran into the twin towers to save people - not to raise taxes".
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:01:29am |
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iossarian Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:02:54am |
re: #411 lawhawk
Had Reid offered up a clean version without the bolded parts - this would have already passed. But since it hasn't, we've got you complaining about McConnell and the GOP when the politics is a wee bit more nuanced than you're willing to concede.
Ho ho. So the reason the GOP is blocking the bill is homophobia? "We'd love to help the 9/11 workers but we can't because then we'd be abandoning our position of denying rights to gay people"?
That suddenly puts their obstructionism in a whole new light!
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:05:26am |
re: #414 Varek Raith
i'm trying to find the video. But yeah, it was that blatant.
this is a decent breakdown though
[Link: current.com...]
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Gus Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:05:56am |
re: #411 lawhawk
That's all you have? Complaining that I can't come up with a deal and because I'm reading the politics of the situation as showing just how ineffectual the Democrats and Schumer and the NY delegation are in all this?
This should never have been politicized in the first place, but you'd like to ignore the fact that the Democrats did play games with the politics of the Act - relating to DADT.
So, you want to ignore that part - that Reid wanted to include DADT in the measure, when a clean version would get passage?
Okay, we know where your loyalties are then.
Had Reid offered up a clean version without the bolded parts - this would have already passed. But since it hasn't, we've got you complaining about McConnell and the GOP when the politics is a wee bit more nuanced than you're willing to concede.
Which is contrary to what President Obama wanted. Obama didn't want legislation from congress repealing DADT. He first wanted a report from the Pentagon regarding its repeal which is still pending. Harry Reid's inclusion of this bill into the bloated Zadroga bill was pure political maneuvering.
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Gus Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:09:03am |
re: #415 iossarian
Ho ho. So the reason the GOP is blocking the bill is homophobia? "We'd love to help the 9/11 workers but we can't because then we'd be abandoning our position of denying rights to gay people"?
That suddenly puts their obstructionism in a whole new light!
DADT does not belong in the Zadroga bill. Sorry but Reid attaching that was pure political BS.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:09:33am |
re: #411 lawhawk
First of all, I'm not sure why pointing out that the GOP is also opposed to ending the DADT is supposed to show the Democrats in a bad light. You didn't really think that one through.
Second of all, you're conflating two things; The Democrats attempted to attach this 9/11 bill as an amendment onto a military funding bill because the GOP was blocking the 9/11 bill. The amendment in reference to DADT was also on the military funding bill, not the 9/11 bill.
So you are grossly mistaken when you say:
So, you want to ignore that part - that Reid wanted to include DADT in the measure, when a clean version would get passage?
A 'clean' version of the 9/11 bill is exactly what is being blocked in the Senate.
Do you understand this? The DADT amendment was not to the 9/11 bill, but to the military spending bill. So your contention is mistaken, I assume out of ignorance.
Can you please admit this error?
Here is the bill so that you can see there is no DADT amendment attatched.
[Link: thomas.loc.gov...]
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:10:14am |
re: #417 Gus 802
Which is contrary to what President Obama wanted. Obama didn't want legislation from congress repealing DADT. He first wanted a report from the Pentagon regarding its repeal which is still pending. Harry Reid's inclusion of this bill into the bloated Zadroga bill was pure political maneuvering.
It wasn't included in the Zadroga bill.
It was included in the military spending bill.
To which the Democrats also attempted to attach an amendment that was identical to the Zadroga bill.
Again, here is the Zadroga bill.
[Link: thomas.loc.gov...]
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lawhawk Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:10:24am |
re: #417 Gus 802
Exactly. Reid thought that by including other legislation in the popular Zadroga bill, he could get his own laundry list of priorities passed. Or score political points in the process by highlighting the GOP obstructionism. They got the GOP obstructionism down, but the folks who would be helped by the Zadroga Act are getting screwed by the politicians who do what they always do - act in their own self interest.
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webevintage Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:11:31am |
re: #395 lawhawk
Meanwhile GOP Senator McConnell may once again hold up passage of the Zadroga 9/11 health compensation bill. Frakker.
What an ass.
John McCain is an ass today too:
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
and that little rat O'Keeffe has managed to screw with another person's life and get away with it...so far:
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:11:32am |
re: #419 Obdicut
Oh fuck, I'm totally wrong and I apologize to Gus and Lawhawk.
Going to bury my head in some water now.
However, DADT still sucks.
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lawhawk Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:13:16am |
re: #423 Obdicut
That's alright. We all make mistakes and depending on the version, you would have been right. The Zadroga bill, had it been a completely clean bill, would have gotten widespread support, but that's precisely why it became larded up with other items and then later attached to the Defense bill.
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Gus Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:15:12am |
re: #423 Obdicut
Oh fuck, I'm totally wrong and I apologize to Gus and Lawhawk.
Going to bury my head in some water now.
However, DADT still sucks.
I agree that DADT sucks. And again it doesn't belong on the Zadroga bill. If the DADT amendment wasn't attached McConnell would probably support it. However, regardless of how I feel about DADT there will be those that oppose it and they have a right to make an up or down vote on that matter.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:16:25am |
Pam think Jews have a slave mentality and are unable to act in their own interest.....
UK: Israeli Embassy Takes Up Against Staunch Defenders of ...... Israel
A new "group" was recently formed by the British Board of Jewish Deputies, Holocaust Information Campaign, CST and the Israeli Embassy, among others, "to combat Jewish support for the English Defence League within the community."
Jewish Kameradschaftspolizei leadership in the UK have declared war on the pro-Israel, counter jihad group, the English Defense League. This just after the massive EDL demonstration in support of Israel. I have wrestled with the Jewicides at the CST, et al, so it is not surprising to see the usual humilated suspects prostrating themselves to Islamic supremacists, but what turned my head is "Israeli Embassy." Could this be true? Does the Israeli government know?
....
The only explanation I have for this illogical and seemingly self destructive behavior is that the Jews have not yet begun to internalize or intellectualize the very idea of working in their own self interest. They never had a "self interest." They were slaves for 400 years, and their base instinct is survival.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:17:21am |
re: #426 Killgore Trout
Pam think Jews have a slave mentality and are unable to act in their own interest...
UK: Israeli Embassy Takes Up Against Staunch Defenders of ... Israel
Good grief.
She is such an idiot.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:19:04am |
re: #426 Killgore Trout
Geez, that's what Rush says about African Americans. GMTA
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:19:23am |
re: #427 reine.de.tout
Good grief.
She is such an idiot.
I started to realize recently that she really doesn't like Jews much. She's almost antisemitic.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:19:52am |
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lawhawk Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:21:42am |
re: #426 Killgore Trout
For the love of G-d.
They never had a "self interest." They were slaves for 400 years, and their base instinct is survival.
400 years that occurred more than 2,000 years ago. Jews have come a long way since then. Survival has long been the self-interest involved, particularly since the Holocaust, which highlighted just how extremists can rise to power and result in slaughter of unimaginable proportions.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:28:57am |
PREET BHARARA, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and JANICE K. FEDARCYK, the Assistant Director-In-Charge of the New York Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation ( "FBI" ), announced today the unsealing of criminal charges against 17 alleged members of a long-running scheme that defrauded programs established to aid survivors of Nazi persecution out of more than $42 million. Employees of the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany ( the "Claims Conference" ), which administered the programs, were supposed to process and approve legitimate applications. Instead, they allegedly approved over 5,500 fraudulent applications, resulting in payouts to applicants who did not qualify for the programs. In exchange, these insiders kept a portion of the money for themselves and their coconspirators.
Manhattan U.S. Attorney PREET BHARARA said: "If ever there was a cause that you would hope and expect would be immune from base greed and criminal fraud, it would be the Claims Conference, which every day assists thousands of poor and elderly victims of Nazi persecution. Sadly, those victim funds were themselves victimized. Without the extraordinary cooperation of the Claims Conference in ferreting out this alleged scheme to defraud them, it never would have been exposed. We thank them for their assistance. With our partners at the FBI, we will bring to justice all those who would callously line their own pockets by looting a lifeline for Holocaust survivors."
FBI Assistant Director-in-Charge JANICE K. FEDARCYK said: "Each of the defendants played a role in creating, filing and processing fraudulent claims on behalf of non-qualifying applicants—and dividing up the spoils. Funds established and financed by the German government to aid Holocaust survivors were siphoned off by the greedy, and not paid out, as intended, to the worthy. This was a brazen miscarriage of the compensation programs."
I hope this group of scum spend the rest of their dreary days in prison.
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