Lolz... Here's the best comment from your '07 post. I still don't understand how this place did a 180 (for the most part) so quickly on matters regarding Islam.

Breaking news!

Obama cinches Democratic nomination.

The Terrorists Have Won!
(Subtext:) Now we must all become lesbians in veils, or habits!

I shall go out and purchase a veil immediately. It could become a habit.

I can see why this picture offends some people.

Everyone knows the real terrorist always fly wearing full Bedouin robes, a turban, a scimitar, and travel with their harem of veiled wives.

I figure that Drudge was probably treating this like a stock photo - not unlike the photos of scanner images of folks who have gone through the full body scanners. Multiple intentions likely: make folks think that this was a new photo, even though it was taken on September 20, 2007 in Detroit or that it renews the outrage against the TSA, or both (and I'm sure I'm leaving out a few things here).

The purpose of using this photo is to continue attacking what Drudge perceives to be a major problem with TSA security and screening using those full body scanners, even though the scanners themselves were seen as the better alternative to the pat-downs such as the one in the photo above.

It is curious though that he's saying that the terrorists won in 2010 when the TSA was formed in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks and these pat-downs and screenings were instituted in the wake of 9/11 - when civil libertarians were themselves saying the terrorists won with the screenings and invasion of privacy concerns over the fully body screeners. Now, Drudge has taken hold of the same meme as an attack against the Obama Administration, which is continuing the Bush policy on the same front.

Drudge Report... Deceptive? Next you're going to tell me that the tabloid mags near the register at my local supermarket are lying to me...

There are more than a few posts in the linked LGF '07 thread that absolutely turned my stomach, including people extolling the virtues of Robert Spencer, and others spouting blatantly racist statements (that got freaking updinged). Statements that likely would get people BANNED today.
It's worth noting that a majority of those commenting are now blocked accounts.

There's always Greyhound, for the true libertarian.

"We don't want to have our junk touched; we ride the bus."

re: #8 jaunte

There's always Greyhound, for the true libertarian.

"We don't want to have our junk touched; we ride the bus."

I thought riding Greyhound was a guaranteed way to have your junk touched?

re: #3 elizajane

Now we must all become lesbians in veils, or habits!

Can do! I intend to keep all of my OEM parts, though. Hope that's not a deal breaker.

re: #5 lawhawk
"The purpose of using this photo is to continue attacking what Drudge perceives to be a major problem with blah blah blah..."

Do you really think there is some introspective analysis within Drudge's tiny tiny brain when he posts his images and headlines of propaganda?

He does it to illicit a response, not to provoke an conversation.

If it's a conversation he wants, and thinks he is receiving, then he thinks a conversation consists of one person repeating the same thing over and over in a higher and higher volume.

He isn't saying anything beyond instilling doubt. He's doctoring headlines, and altering the meaning behind photos and stories as he usually does... I get upset when people accuse Drudge (or the many people that read him) of being legitimate.

junk, the new slang for penis...I suppose, therefore, a vagina is garbage

re: #7 RadicalModerate

I agree. This place has changed.

re: #13 Major Tom

I agree. This place has changed.

Its been an improvement. Trust me, I know.

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, you have to stay on guard, keep an eye out, stay wary, but that should be second nature after the steady outrage diet.

Alex Jones is now using the same pic at infowars.

re: #16 Killgore Trout

You go places I fear to tread.

re: #12 albusteve

"Junk" is gender neutral, and it ain't new. You've never heard the phrase "junk in the trunk"?

Add to that the FauxRage about the '3 year old accosted by TSA.' That's making the rounds in my circles but I can't find any non-partisan information on it.

re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth

"Junk" is gender neutral, and it ain't new. You've never heard the phrase "junk in the trunk"?

no, not that I recall

Almost on-topic:

Photos from Mecca circa 1880:
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah but when a girl refers to her junk, I get weirded out. Maybe that's not rational...

re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth

"Junk" is gender neutral, and it ain't new. You've never heard the phrase "junk in the trunk"?

Or the immortal Beavis and Butthead episode with "KICK ME IN THE JUNK! YEAAA!"

re: #13 Major Tom

This place has changed.

TROLL!!!
/

re: #19 BigPapa

The news reporters child?

ain't the innernet wunderful?

i suppose the idea is that looking at your penis is more of an invasion of privacy than reading your emails and looking through your business records...

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or the immortal Beavis and Butthead episode with "KICK ME IN THE JUNK! YEAAA!"

You're so close, it was "kick me in the Jimmy!"

re: #5 lawhawk

It is curious though that he's saying that the terrorists won in 2010 when the TSA was formed in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks and these pat-downs and screenings were instituted in the wake of 9/11 - when civil libertarians were themselves saying the terrorists won with the screenings and invasion of privacy concerns over the fully body screeners. Now, Drudge has taken hold of the same meme as an attack against the Obama Administration, which is continuing the Bush policy on the same front.

The people making noise about TSA procedures aren't offering workable alternatives, they're just complaining.

re: #5 lawhawk

I figure that Drudge was probably treating this like a stock photo - not unlike the photos of scanner images of folks who have gone through the full body scanners.

Hot Air was outraged over this Outrageous video yesterday detailing the out of control TSA
Video: TSA body-searches a three-year-old girl
Drudge was pimping the same video which has now been removed. What they failed to tell their readers is that the video was at least a year old.

The video below was posted in 2009. It shows a TSA goon molesting a three year old girl.

They are dredging up old outrages and pretending they are new.

re: #28 RogueOne

You're so close, it was "kick me in the Jimmy!"

[Video]

You are correct, I was thinking "Dead man on campus."

I hang my head in shame.

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I can see why this picture offends some people.

Everyone knows the real terrorist always fly wearing full Bedouin robes, a turban, a scimitar, and travel with their harem of veiled wives.

An observation: Not one of the (mostly deceased) terrorists I saw in Iraq was wearing anything resembling traditional or stereotyped Muslim garb. Most of them wore various western style work clothes or black ninja suits and BDU outfits, or some mix of the three. There were reportedly some female suicide bombers who wore hijab but I never saw any of them, at least not in a condition that would allow for an evaluation of dress.

Lizards, I was so excited to tell you all about my first day on the mew job, but when I came home I found out that my dad has just passed away.

He was 91 years old and a WW2 Pacific US Navy vet.

I'm in shock, it still hasn't hit yet.

re: #22 Major Tom

Yeah but when a girl refers to her junk, I get weirded out. Maybe that's not rational...

The only thing that they could call it that would weird me out would be 'penis'.

well, america was fun while it lasted. allah akbar i guess

re: #33 Alouette

Sorry for your loss.

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Hot Air was outraged over this Outrageous video yesterday detailing the out of control TSA
Video: TSA body-searches a three-year-old girl
Drudge was pimping the same video which has now been removed. What they failed to tell their readers is that the video was at least a year old.

They are dredging up old outrages and pretending they are new.

BTW that video was before the naked body scanners were in use here in the US. The kid set off the metal detector several times before being patted down. It's a bogus outrage.

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel

An observation: Not one of the (mostly deceased) terrorists I saw in Iraq was wearing anything resembling traditional or stereotyped Muslim garb. Most of them wore various western style work clothes or black ninja suits and BDU outfits, or some mix of the three. There were reportedly some female suicide bombers who wore hijab but I never saw any of them, at least not in a condition that would allow for an evaluation of dress.

Its almost like their trying to blend in.

re: #33 Alouette

Lizards, I was so excited to tell you all about my first day on the mew job, but when I came home I found out that my dad has just passed away.

He was 91 years old and a WW2 Pacific US Navy vet.

I'm in shock, it still hasn't hit yet.

Shit. I'm so sorry.

re: #33 Alouette

I'm very sorry to hear that - my condolences to you and your family.

re: #35 SpaceJesus

"I, for one, welcome our new insect Muslim overlords",
/

re: #35 SpaceJesus

well, america was fun while it lasted. allah akbar i guess

Admiral Akbar to you as well.

re: #33 Alouette

{ { {Alouette} } }

I'm so sorry, dear.

re: #33 Alouette

Lizards, I was so excited to tell you all about my first day on the mew job, but when I came home I found out that my dad has just passed away.

He was 91 years old and a WW2 Pacific US Navy vet.

I'm in shock, it still hasn't hit yet.

I'm sorry to hear that Alouette.

re: #33 Alouette

So sorry to hear that.

re: #33 Alouette

Lizards, I was so excited to tell you all about my first day on the mew job, but when I came home I found out that my dad has just passed away.

He was 91 years old and a WW2 Pacific US Navy vet.

I'm in shock, it still hasn't hit yet.

My condolences.

re: #33 Alouette

My condolences to you, your family and friends.

re: #33 Alouette

Lizards, I was so excited to tell you all about my first day on the mew job, but when I came home I found out that my dad has just passed away.

He was 91 years old and a WW2 Pacific US Navy vet.

I'm in shock, it still hasn't hit yet.

so sorry...losing a dad is just the worst

re: #33 Alouette

My condolences to you and yours. I am sorry to hear of your loss.

re: #33 Alouette

Very sad. Will be thinking of you and your family.

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Hot Air was outraged over this Outrageous video yesterday detailing the out of control TSA
Video: TSA body-searches a three-year-old girl
Drudge was pimping the same video which has now been removed. What they failed to tell their readers is that the video was at least a year old.

They are dredging up old outrages and pretending they are new.

Definitely all the rage. (RAGE, get it?? :>)

Last week, a Facebook friend posted a Fox News clip, dated Aug 2010, about the Muslims in MN taking over because the cabbies are refusing to transport passengers who carry alcohol or dogs. This is such an old story and they've already passed laws to stop the cabbies from doing this by suspending and/or revoking their licenses. The law was passed in May 2007, btw.

However, you won't find that information on Fox News who is telling everyone that we're being taken over by... SHARIA LAW... AAALALALALALA!

That didn't stop every moron from writing on my friends Facebook some of the most vile things about Muslims. So this little voice in the dark printed a couple articles about the law. NO we are not falling to Sharia law and YES Fox News is designed to put your panties in a twist.

No more chatter after that.

Her brother gave me an Upding. The only one of her friends. I always liked him anyway :p

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Hot Air was outraged over this Outrageous video yesterday detailing the out of control TSA
Video: TSA body-searches a three-year-old girl
Drudge was pimping the same video which has now been removed. What they failed to tell their readers is that the video was at least a year old.

They are dredging up old outrages and pretending they are new.

That's kind of comforting. Evidently nothing outrageous has happened in the past several years.

re: #33 Alouette

Lizards, I was so excited to tell you all about my first day on the mew job, but when I came home I found out that my dad has just passed away.

He was 91 years old and a WW2 Pacific US Navy vet.

I'm in shock, it still hasn't hit yet.

Oh my... my condolences to you and your family.

re: #33 Alouette

alav hashalom

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

agreed. i've been lurking here and posting sporadically for about 10 years (quite a bit before the registration started). anyway, i've always enjoyed reading and gleaning info from the posts and links. Charles really has a top notch blog here. one of the few refuges of sanity in the blogosphere. is that a word?

Alouette, my condolences.

re: #33 Alouette
my condolences. the ranks of the greatest generation is dwindling.

re: #55 mojo9

agreed. i've been lurking here and posting sporadically for about 10 years (quite a bit before the registration started). anyway, i've always enjoyed reading and gleaning info from the posts and links. Charles really has a top notch blog here. one of the few refuges of sanity in the blogosphere. is that a word?

Reading back the sanity was pretty sparse pre '08. It's quite good now.

re: #33 Alouette

I'm so sorry for your loss. Condolences and, (if its not too personal,) {{{hugs}}} to you and your family.

I just ran across a tool for looking up previous uses of an image file, popped over to LGF to share this sleuthing tool, and it's even on topic!

[Link: www.tineye.com...]

re: #33 Alouette

i'm so sorry, dear lady-

sorry to hijack the thread.

re: #62 Alouette

sorry to hijack the thread.

I don't mind...I feel for you, I was devastated when my dad passed away

re: #62 Alouette

sorry to hijack the thread.

There's no hijacking. Family ties and people we care about are what make everything else worthwhile. Without that, what's the point of anything?

Here is something which I don't get, and this must be because my knowledge of the American paranoidal style is not that deep: why TSA?

re: #62 Alouette

sorry to hijack the thread.

Not hijacking! A chance for some lizardly empathy. Virtual communities matter.

re: #62 Alouette

sorry to hijack the thread.

Don't, friend. Interrupting a conversation about Drudge to offer my condolences isn't a hijack, it's the natural order of things. Hell, you could have told me that your pet cricket had passed away and I'd still have ranked it higher than Drudge;)

...Makes me want to call my father... If I could only have a conversation with the old man without it devolving into a treasonous rant about illegal immigration, lazy union workers, or how I need to read about Cloward and Piven...

re: #65 Sergey Romanov

Here is something which I don't get, and this must be because my knowledge of the American paranoidal style is not that deep: why TSA?

it doesn't make a ton of sense to me either, if that helps...

re: #33 Alouette

Lizards, I was so excited to tell you all about my first day on the mew job, but when I came home I found out that my dad has just passed away.

He was 91 years old and a WW2 Pacific US Navy vet.

I'm in shock, it still hasn't hit yet.

Sorry to hear that. It's one of the worst things to happen in life, but it does sound like had a full life, and lived to a nice old age. I hope you can take some comfort in that.

re: #65 Sergey Romanov

Here is something which I don't get, and this must be because my knowledge of the American paranoidal style is not that deep: why TSA?

Airports and flying and all that.

I can understand frisking for weapons at the DMV. Who hasn't fantasized about blowing up the DMV.

(I'm not supposed to say that, am I.)

re: #67 Aceofwhat?

Hell, you could have told me that your pet cricket had passed away and I'd still have ranked it higher than Drudge;)

True, that.

re: #65 Sergey Romanov

because screw Obama, that's why... ///

OK, fine. No more AIT scans and no more pat down searches. There's no terrorist threat anymore. Return things to the way they were before last December. Make sure we communicate this to the terrorists around the world while we're at it. Yep, that's it. Drudge and the libertarians won.

re: #73 Major Tom

because screw Obama, that's why... ///

"What is this? I don't even"/

re: #65 Sergey Romanov

Here is something which I don't get, and this must be because my knowledge of the American paranoidal style is not that deep: why TSA?

because government surveillance is only ok under republican administrations, silly

Or here's another idea. Only subject "Arab looking people" to AIT scans and pat down searches. Also, since the "Christmas bomber" was black, add blacks to those that will only have to go through the AIT scanner and pat down searches. This was, Drudge and the rest of the libertarians can create a new line at the airport. One that reads "whites only."

re: #76 engineer dog

because government surveillance is only ok under republican administrations, silly

yep.

re: #33 Alouette

{{{Alouette}}}

re: #77 Gus 802

Or here's another idea. Only subject "Arab looking people" to AIT scans and pat down searches. Also, since the "Christmas bomber" was black, add blacks to those that will only have to go through the AIT scanner and pat down searches. This was, Drudge and the rest of the libertarians can create a new line at the airport. One that reads "whites only."

sooner or later, some degree of profiling will become necessary

Here is the story uploaded last August about how Sharia law is taking over in Minnesota.

Except that it's not.

And the story is 3 years old and not even an issue.

re: #80 albusteve

sooner or later, some degree of profiling will become necessary

Put Steve in the pro "white's only" column.

re: #77 Gus 802

Or here's another idea. Only subject "Arab looking people" to AIT scans and pat down searches. Also, since the "Christmas bomber" was black, add blacks to those that will only have to go through the AIT scanner and pat down searches. This was, Drudge and the rest of the libertarians can create a new line at the airport. One that reads "whites only."

OT, that was a great link you posted earlier.

End of life issues are a huge and important topic,

TY

A Twitter #tcot comment:

If obongo and the libtards would stop kissing Muslim ass the TSA would not have to do these things to us.

re: #80 albusteve

sooner or later, some degree of profiling will become necessary

How about "people wanting to fly on airplanes" as a reasonable starting point?

re: #83 researchok

OT, that was a great link you posted earlier.

End of life issues are a huge and important topic,

TY

Yeah. I had to pull out the tissues. OK, I used my t-shirt.

re: #84 Charles

A Twitter #tcot comment:

Yea, because Bush had no relationship with the Saudis.

Oy vey es mere.

re: #80 albusteve

sooner or later, some degree of profiling will become necessary

I agree. Due to the recent increase in right-wing violence, I suggest we start by placing registered GOP voters under surveillance.

re: #76 engineer dog

because government surveillance is only ok under republican administrations, silly

I.e. for the same systemic reason Fox News promotes 9/11 "truth". Got it.

re: #84 Charles

If obongo and the libtards would stop kissing Muslim ass the TSA would not have to do these things to us.

Dopey. Even if one grants that silly premise, there's no reason to think it would affect flight security.

re: #84 Charles

"If people would just stop kissing Satan's ass, the Catholic church would not have to exorcise us".

re: #84 Charles

A Twitter #tcot comment:

Yep, that's the bottom line according to them. Which is what I alluded to in my sarcastic #77. And the Christmas bomber also throws in another race into the mix but of course they'd never publicly admit to wanting to profile black males in the airport. Many would say they already do -- everywhere.

re: #80 albusteve

sooner or later, some degree of profiling will become necessary

i think that's what the background algorithms are for, as opposed to obvious practices which scream "if you dress up like X, we won't search you!"

re: #84 Charles

A Twitter #tcot comment:

Taking it to its logical conclusion this is a call for total genocide.

re: #82 recusancy

Put Steve in the pro "white's only" column.

you forgot the sarc tag

re: #91 Slumbering Behemoth

"If people would just stop kissing Satan's ass, the Catholic church University of Texas would not have to exorcise us".

LOL

re: #88 iossarian

I agree. Due to the recent increase in right-wing violence, I suggest we start by placing registered GOP voters under surveillance.

I can turn on my web cam if you like. FAIR WARNING: I'm not wearing any pants.

Honestly, of all the invasions of privacy that you could complain about, airport security has got to be the most ridiculous.

[begin rant]
I never minded when El Al interviewed every passenger in great detail about their travel plans, or when--during the IRA's heyday--every third carry-on bag at Heathrow was hand-searched. I couldn't care less when some bored airport employee pats me down. I do not obsess about what some pervert might be doing with my x-ray, for G**'s sake. I've trained my kids, since they were 5 years old, to wear shoes that can be swiftly removed at check-points and not to carry scissors in their backpacks when we travel. (I admit, there was a small meltdown once when a plastic Barbie scissor was appropriated at check-in...). I only shrugged when I forgot the liquid container rule and lost a very expensive bottle of perfume. I mean, I'd like to travel safely. I don't care that security rules tend to be reactive. React! That's good!
[end rant]

re: #97 Slumbering Behemoth

I can turn on my web cam if you like. FAIR WARNING: I'm not wearing any pants.

That's not a warning, THAT'S A PROMISE!

OT, I once worked with someone who used to regularly get that the wrong way round - she'd say "that's not a promise, it's a threat", e.g., when people took her stuff from the fridge.

re: #33 Alouette

{{{Alouette}}}

I'm so sorry.

re: #82 recusancy

Put Steve in the pro "white's only" column.

it's about stopping crime, not skin color...this response perpetuates the myth that profiling is inherently racist, which I do not believe...profiling could be construed as bigotry/racist for sure tho

re: #84 Charles

A Twitter #tcot comment:

It's nice that the Tormented Crazies On Twitter are all grouped into one tag.

re: #77 Gus 802

Or here's another idea. Only subject "Arab looking people" to AIT scans and pat down searches. Also, since the "Christmas bomber" was black, add blacks to those that will only have to go through the AIT scanner and pat down searches. This was, Drudge and the rest of the libertarians can create a new line at the airport. One that reads "whites only."

But, but, but... The shoe bomber was half white. Shit, now we're back to square one.
/

Sooo... Matt... if someone's wearing a headscarf they're a terrorist?

re: #93 Aceofwhat?

i think that's what the background algorithms are for, as opposed to obvious practices which scream "if you dress up like X, we won't search you!"

I defer to Lawhawk, who knows more about Israeli security at Ben Gurion...I think it was him who wrote several posts about it

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

But, but, but... The shoe bomber was half white. Shit, now we're back to square one.
/

Can't you see, he's white on the LEFT side! /Star Trek TOS flashback. Roddenberry was less racist and more modern than these clowns 40 years ago.

re: #101 albusteve

it's about stopping crime, not skin color...this response perpetuates the myth that profiling is inherently racist, which I do not believe...profiling could be construed as bigotry/racist for sure tho

Your thinking on the matter would probably change if you fit into the group most likely to be profiled. How do you accomplish it without bigotry/racism?

re: #104 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sooo... Matt... if someone's wearing a headscarf they're a terrorist?

by that logic, i am reppin' the Crips when on the tennis court...

re: #84 Charles

A Twitter #tcot comment:

I'm embarrassed to say I'm conservative now thanks to morans like that.

re: #107 recusancy

Your thinking on the matter would probably change if you fit into the group most likely to be profiled. How do you accomplish it without bigotry/racism?

Racism has nothing to do with it. It's a security fail. if you could search all 34yo white males and thereby greatly increase airline security, i'd be all for it.

re: #101 albusteve

it's about stopping crime, not skin color...this response perpetuates the myth that profiling is inherently racist, which I do not believe...profiling could be construed as bigotry/racist for sure tho

But the end result would be that it would be based on race or immutable traits. Therefore the TSA would only target ME looking people and blacks (males only perhaps). Therefore you would be subjecting all of these people to scrutiny as opposed to the public at large. Then we start swimming in civil rights waters and we would be looking at a deluge of lawsuits against the TSA. If it were to become SOP then the obvious move for a terrorist organization would be to recruit a white extremist to carry out their bombing or hijacking. This obvious logical conclusion should already be apparent to the terrorists. What stopping them from recruiting a white extremist?

re: #105 albusteve

I defer to Lawhawk, who knows more about Israeli security at Ben Gurion...I think it was him who wrote several posts about it

Unless it's changed, they do random searches. But the weird thing, which I think is still in effect, you can't tell who are the federal agents there. They completely blend in with the crowds. There are Army guys with guns (all over Israel there are Army guys with guns), but the "regular looking guys" you could never pick them out of a crowd like you can with some of the federal agents in the U.S.

They also do random searches of the LEAST possible looking suspect. So yea, the nun would get frisked over the guy in the robe.

re: #109 BigPapa

I'm embarrassed to say I'm conservative now thanks to morans like that.

I'm no longer a republican or a conservative because of people like that.

re: #29 jaunte

The people making noise about TSA procedures aren't offering workable alternatives, they're just complaining.

Many of the people who make noises about the TSA procedures are frustrated by procedures that often seem to be nothing more than a p.r. reaction to the terrorists' last failed attempt (e.g., has anyone, including a child, boarded a flight recently without taking off his/her shoes first) or that seems immediately to be revised by exceptions that make no sense from a security standpoint (e.g., you can't bring liquid on board, unless it is in small amounts or appears to be baby formula; never mind that small amounts can always be combined into larger amounts). Granted, much of the real security is what we don't see, but it is not wrong to think that much of what TSA does is simply for show, an opiate for the masses to borrow a phrase.

My girlfriend (in 2005 I think) wore big laced up boots to the Airport. The woman on line behind us got really snippy when it took a while for my GF to take the boots off. I kind of shrugged and mouthed, 'sorry,' to her. She then said, 'guess you forgot we're at war.' 'Yeah.' I said (rolling my eyes). She then doubled down on her comment and said (rather loudly) she could of had a bomb in her shoes.' ...and then turned bright red. Her husband smacked her in the arm, and the TSA guy near to her pointed to her and had her pulled out of the line... My girl and I caught up with her outside of security, and I said, 'You know, you shouldn't say things like that in an airport, especially when we're at war...' She was pissed... It was funny.

re: #33 Alouette

Lizards, I was so excited to tell you all about my first day on the mew job, but when I came home I found out that my dad has just passed away.

He was 91 years old and a WW2 Pacific US Navy vet.

I'm in shock, it still hasn't hit yet.

A moment of silence from one old US Navy vet to another who made a much greater difference.

My condolences to you and yours, Alouette.

re: #110 Aceofwhat?

Racism has nothing to do with it. It's a security fail. if you could search all 34yo white males and thereby greatly increase airline security, i'd be all for it.

If you as a 34yo white male were a minority then you wouldn't be throwing that request out there so easily. It's easy to say you would submit to something when you know, in reality, it won't effect you the same as everyone else.

Wow, that was exciting. After all the work I did thinking and typing and typing and thinking in the dictionary thread, I leaned back and closed my eyes for a second and next thing you know there's 85 more posts there and a spanking new thread with its own posts.

With all that excitement, I think I need a nap.

re: #115 Major Tom

My girlfriend (in 2005 I think) wore big laced up boots to the Airport. The woman on line behind us got really snippy when it took a while for my GF to take the boots off. I kind of shrugged and mouthed, 'sorry,' to her. She then said, 'guess you forgot we're at war.' 'Yeah.' I said (rolling my eyes). She then doubled down on her comment and said (rather loudly) she could of had a bomb in her shoes.' ...and then turned bright red. Her husband smacked her in the arm, and the TSA guy near to her pointed to her and had her pulled out of the line... My girl and I caught up with her outside of security, and I said, 'You know, you shouldn't say things like that in an airport, especially when we're at war...' She was pissed... It was funny.

heh. serves her right.

me, i only get upset about shoes like that when people don't have them halfway off by the time it's their turn...

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel

Reminds one of the idiots who attacked Sikhs after 9/11 because they knew that the turban signified a terrorist.

Now if I were running things, each passenger would be issued a hospital gown with little paper slippers, their personal belongings bagged, screened and held until the plane landed and they would be locked into their seats by security attendents on the flight.

Then again, I'm an asshole, but nobody would be fucking around on my flights.

I asked to get the naked scan the first time I saw them in Heathrow a few years ago. At the time they were selecting random people from the metal detector line. The naked scanner line was shorter an I thought it was kinda cool so I volunteered.

re: #33 Alouette

Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

The most irritating part of much of the far Right's newfound respect for civil liberties, at least concerning how far to go in the pursuit of national security, is that you don't have to look too far in blog posts and comment sections to see what they're really advocating -- restricting the enhanced screening techniques to folks that match a specific racial, ethnic or religious profile. So, "Civil liberties for 'us', and not for 'them'.

It takes an impressive lack of empathy to on the one hand refer to the patdowns as 'sexual assault' or 'child molestation', and the scanners as 'porno scanners' capable of producing 'child porn', and then not experience any cognitive dissonance as you comment,
"Why is are they doing this to decent, regular Americans? Focus on the people who everyone knows might actually be terrorists!"

re: #121 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now if I were running things, each passenger would be issued a hospital gown with little paper slippers, their personal belongings bagged, screened and held until the plane landed and they would be locked into their seats by security attendents on the flight.

Then again, I'm an asshole, but nobody would be fucking around on my flights.

Con Air?

re: #122 Killgore Trout

I asked to get the naked scan the first time I saw them in Heathrow a few years ago. At the time they were selecting random people from the metal detector line. The naked scanner line was shorter an I thought it was kinda cool so I volunteered.

Did they ask you if you lost your derringer to an old war injury?

re: #117 recusancy

If you as a 34yo white male were a minority then you wouldn't be throwing that request out there so easily. It's easy to say you would submit to something when you know, in reality, it won't effect you the same as everyone else.

give me a break. the point is that if racial profiling in airline security actually worked, i'd be all for it. because it's not racist.

what IS racist is to employ racial profiling when it's ineffective, or worse, harmful to security.

and no, i really am throwing that request out there that easily. currently i fly out on Tuesdays and fly back on Fridays. every. single. week.

you?

re: #121 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe the TSA should experiment with wearing white lab coats at one airport and see if the complaints die down a little.

re: #122 Killgore Trout

I asked to get the naked scan the first time I saw them in Heathrow a few years ago. At the time they were selecting random people from the metal detector line. The naked scanner line was shorter an I thought it was kinda cool so I volunteered.

You just want everyone to look at your junk.

re: #33 Alouette

Lizards, I was so excited to tell you all about my first day on the mew job, but when I came home I found out that my dad has just passed away.

He was 91 years old and a WW2 Pacific US Navy vet.

I'm in shock, it still hasn't hit yet.

My thoughts are with you.

re: #84 Charles

That's a good example of the sentiment I was addressing in #124.

re: #119 Aceofwhat?

It was her first time traveling by air since 9/11... She's never done that again, and everytime we are in security she, or I bring up those sexy sexy boots. Oh yeah they were time consuming too.

I also notice than on Alex Jones' radio show today he hosted the same 9-11 truthers that were on Fox this weekend. It's a revolving door between alex Jones and Fox. I think it's safe to assume the wingnuts have been completely assimilated.

re: #33 Alouette

Lizards, I was so excited to tell you all about my first day on the mew job, but when I came home I found out that my dad has just passed away.

He was 91 years old and a WW2 Pacific US Navy vet.

I'm in shock, it still hasn't hit yet.

Dyan Emet.

May G-d comfort you among the other mourners of Zion and Jerusalem.

My thoughts and prayers are with you Alouette.

re: #125 albusteve

Con Air?

They did it wrong.

re: #124 simoom

The most irritating part of much of the far Right's newfound respect for civil liberties, at least concerning how far to go in the pursuit of national security, is that you don't have to look too far in blog posts and comment sections to see what they're really advocating -- restricting the enhanced screening techniques to folks that match a specific racial, ethnic or religious profile. So, "Civil liberties for 'us', and not for 'them'.

It takes an impressive lack of empathy to on the one hand refer to the patdowns as 'sexual assault' or 'child molestation', and the scanners as 'porno scanners' capable of producing 'child porn', and then not experience any cognitive dissonance as you comment,
"Why is are they doing this to decent, regular Americans? Focus on the people who everyone knows might actually be terrorists!"

Exactly! And another reason that the "Fear of Sharia Law" videos from years ago and being pushed forth again.

re: #129 marjoriemoon

You just want everyone to look at your junk.

Bonus!

re: #135 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They did it wrong.

closest I could think of...fun movie anyway

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Bonus!

perfect

re: #121 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now if I were running things, each passenger would be issued a hospital gown with little paper slippers, their personal belongings bagged, screened and held until the plane landed and they would be locked into their seats by security attendents on the flight.

Then again, I'm an asshole, but nobody would be fucking around on my flights.

The we can slip them into capsules under heavy sedation. That way they can be treated like cargo. You get the extra advantage of not requiring in-flight entertainment, catering, and added passenger plane loads.

/

re: #132 Major Tom

It was her first time traveling by air since 9/11... She's never done that again, and everytime we are in security she, or I bring up those sexy sexy boots. Oh yeah they were time consuming too.

that's because you're a smart, rational person. that would be as opposed to the numbnuts i stand behind every week who require 5 minutes to undo their belt, shoes, wallet, jacket, phone, crap, more crap, etc...like the whole procedure just snuck up on them or something.

Here comes the inquisition...

Transportation Security Administration Oversight Hearing

re: #33 Alouette

I am so sorry for your loss.

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Bonus!

lol My husband would be the first in line, believe me.

re: #84 Charles

A Twitter #tcot comment:

Wow - a racial slur and an anti-Muslim rant all in one post. And yet these security measures were all put in place by Bush to show us how safe we are from those terrorists...

Jeeesh.

If you want airport security, do it like the Israelis. If you don't do that, don't whine when it doesn't work, or is obviously just for show.

re: #141 Aceofwhat?

that's because you're a smart, rational person. that would be as opposed to the numbnuts i stand behind every week who require 5 minutes to undo their belt, shoes, wallet, jacket, phone, crap, more crap, etc...like the whole procedure just snuck up on them or something.

I have not been on an airline in over ten years. (This puts me before the 9-11 attacks, and therefore before the new security procedures.)

Nowhere to go.

My family lives here, and we've only gone on vacation within driving distance.

re: #140 Gus 802

The we can slip them into capsules under heavy sedation. That way they can be treated like cargo. You get the extra advantage of not requiring in-flight entertainment, catering, and added passenger plane loads.

/

No, you offer a fully sedated trip as an option and make them pay for it as an added feature.

re: #145 LudwigVanQuixote

Wow - a racial slur and an anti-Muslim rant all in one post. And yet these security measures were all put in place by Bush to show us how safe we are from those terrorists...

Jeeesh.

If you want airport security, do it like the Israelis. If you don't do that, don't whine when it doesn't work, or is obviously just for show.

Out of curiosity are Muslims allowed to be Israeli security agents?

re: #147 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, you offer a fully sedated trip as an option and make them pay for it as an added feature.

People with small children and toddlers would pay for it.

The last time I traveled by air I went through the full body scanner. I always set the alarm off due to my bionic knee. The full body scanner took 1/3rd the time over a full pat down.
I'd much rather have the full body scan and then land on a runway than to not have the scan and land in pieces in a cornfield.

re: #127 Aceofwhat?

I'm pretty stationary.

re: #149 EmmmieG

I'd pay for it on flights with small children or toddlers.

re: #33 Alouette

My heartfelt condolences to you, Alouette. May he rest in peace.

re: #152 Dreggas

I'd pay for it on flights with small children or toddlers.

The Phish fans would pay for it regardless of the conditions.

/

re: #140 Gus 802

Multipass?

re: #129 marjoriemoon

You just want everyone to look at your junk.

I'm just glad we don't have to watch him pulling noodles . . .

re: #33 Alouette

Lizards, I was so excited to tell you all about my first day on the mew job, but when I came home I found out that my dad has just passed away.

He was 91 years old and a WW2 Pacific US Navy vet.

I'm in shock, it still hasn't hit yet.

Ha’makom yinachem etchem be’soch shar avehei Tzion ve’Yerushalim.

-May the Omnipresent console you among the other mourners of Zion and Jerusalem.

re: #82 recusancy

There is all sorts of profiling that is not based upon racist stereotypes and that is essential to criminal justice and national security. I remember well my criminal justice professor, who pointed out that we should avoid using hard-case American Tourister luggage because it was part of the drug courier profile used by the DEA. And while experienced security personnel will tell you that racial profiling is over-rated as a means of detecting potential terrorists, it is one element in a larger mix of factors that, our liberal sensibilities aside, should not easily be dismissed.

re: #140 Gus 802

The we can slip them into capsules under heavy sedation. That way they can be treated like cargo. You get the extra advantage of not requiring in-flight entertainment, catering, and added passenger plane loads.

/

And that means the rest of us get extra peanuts.

re: #146 EmmmieG

I have not been on an airline in over ten years. (This puts me before the 9-11 attacks, and therefore before the new security procedures.)

Nowhere to go.

My family lives here, and we've only gone on vacation within driving distance.

We fly quite a bit. We both hate it. When you're young it's fun, an adventure. Get to look at odd people you'd never seen before. Now it's just a giant pain and it gets worse every day.

I've taken to drinking. Not enough to get hammered, just enough not to care. Really takes that edge off.

re: #159 researchok

And that means the rest of us get extra peanuts.

You'll get nothing and LIKE IT!

re: #148 recusancy

Out of curiosity are Muslims allowed to be Israeli security agents?

Probably Druze. Not Muslim exactly, but Arab Israelis. They serve in the Army anyway.

re: #161 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You'll get nothing and LIKE IT!

Dad? Is that you?

re: #160 marjoriemoon

We fly quite a bit. We both hate it. When you're young it's fun, an adventure. Get to look at odd people you'd never seen before. Now it's just a giant pain and it gets worse every day.

I've taken to drinking. Not enough to get hammered, just enough not to care. Really takes that edge off.

It's fun when you're young, single, and only responsible for you. It's a pain in the tush when you have children. When we did fly, when the kids were younger, I used to envy the bored people. I would have given anything to be bored.

re: #155 lawhawk

Ooo Brucie. He's on My List.

re: #160 marjoriemoon

We fly quite a bit. We both hate it. When you're young it's fun, an adventure. Get to look at odd people you'd never seen before. Now it's just a giant pain and it gets worse every day.

I've taken to drinking. Not enough to get hammered, just enough not to care. Really takes that edge off.

Back when I had more money than children, I always used my frequent flyer miles to upgrade to business class. It was wonderful! The only problem was that I never got any sleep on long-haul flights because I was too busy drinking champagne and watching excellent films.

Now, of course, we are in steerage, usually at the back of the plane. I notice that they always put large families with small children back there. It just about guarantees that somebody will throw up at any turbulance...

re: #148 recusancy

Out of curiosity are Muslims allowed to be Israeli security agents?

I have no direct knowledge either way. However, I would be shocked if there were a blanket policy against them, since I know for a fact that Israeli Arabs and Israeli Arab Muslims serve in the IDF.

If I'm not mistaken the radiation dosage from flying at 30-40,000 feet exceeds that of the AIT scanner. Oh here's this:

• Mammogram: 30 mrem
• Chest X-ray: 10 mrem
• CT Scan (head and body): 1100 mrem
• Dental X-ray: 10 mrem
• Using natural gas in home: 9 mrem/year
• Air travel per 1,600 km: 1 mrem
• Flight from Vancouver to Halifax (approximately 4,443 km): 2.78 mrem
• Luggage scanner: 0.002 mrem
• Body scanner: 0.01 mrem

So if you really don't want to be irradiated don't fly, period.

re: #114 sliv_the_eli

it is not wrong to think that much of what TSA does is simply for show, an opiate for the masses to borrow a phrase.

That is why it was coined "security theater" by professionals long ago. And remember that lots of money is being made by those in favor with politicians who gain as well by keeping the status quo.

The TSA and it's efforts to protect us are hamstrung under present US laws. We could put an end to the majority of TSA theatrics in a heartbeat but it would mean authorizing and turning on an "Able Danger" on steroids and the use of appropriate personnel to take action within the US. I would love to see it happen from the technology side but the risks are great on the Constitutional side. It ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

re: #168 Gus 802

Which means a 1600 KM flight results in a radiation exposure of 100 times that of an AIT scanner.

Of course, now we're talking science and technology being introduced as a rational argument for irrational crowds.

re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote

I have no direct knowledge either way. However, I would be shocked if there were a blanket policy against them, since I know for a fact that Israeli Arabs and Israeli Arab Muslims serve in the IDF.

I just wondered because in the dead thread from '07 linked above a bunch of commentors were saying that they aren't allowed.

re: #105 albusteve

I defer to Lawhawk, who knows more about Israeli security at Ben Gurion...I think it was him who wrote several posts about it

I have read/seen a number of interviews with Israeli security personnel over the years and, to a one, they will tell you that profiling solely on the basis of ethnicity or appearance does not work, because the terrorists will simply find some sympathetic patsy to do their dirty work for them. There are, in fact, complex algorithms that go into the profile. Many may recall a number of years ago when TSA announced that they would no longer ask passengers if they packed their own bags, etc. ElAl's former head of security was interviewed at about the time and pointed out that the question wasn't asked because they expected a "Columbo moment", but rather because it gave their trained security an opportunity to view the passenger's mannerisms when responding.

re: #151 recusancy

I'm pretty stationary.

So flying twice per week, i'd usually go through security faster if i could be in a special "high-risk" line. So yes. I am absolutely saying that i'd love to be part of an oft-targeted group if doing so would improve overall security, and i'm quite serious. The faster process > the extra attention.

re: #171 recusancy

I just wondered because in the dead thread from '07 linked above a bunch of commentors were saying that they aren't allowed.

I am pretty certain they are wrong.

Then you have radar and microwave radiation. Radar can cause all kinds of future health problem when exposed directly. You also have microwave radiation from cell phone hub which typically dot the airport landscape.

re: #33 Alouette

I am going to be doing some learning tonight.

Could you give me his name, so I can do some study in his honor?

Also, is there any particular learning that he particularly liked so that my friends and I could make some time to study it?

re: #173 Aceofwhat?

So flying twice per week, i'd usually go through security faster if i could be in a special "high-risk" line. So yes. I am absolutely saying that i'd love to be part of an oft-targeted group if doing so would improve overall security, and i'm quite serious. The faster process > the extra attention.

If you were in the high risk line it would go slower for you. It'd go faster for everyone else. You would begin to feel unwelcome in your own country.

re: #111 Gus 802

If it were to become SOP then the obvious move for a terrorist organization would be to recruit a white extremist to carry out their bombing or hijacking. This obvious logical conclusion should already be apparent to the terrorists. What stopping them from recruiting a white extremist?

Nothing. In fact, the ties between white, European extremist groups and Arab terrorist groups has a long history. Groups such as the IRA, Baader-Meinhoff gang, Red Army faction and others had close ties and trained with the PLO during the 1970's. There is an infamous case of a Japanese terrrorist team being hired to commit a terrorist act at Ben Gurion airport years ago, as well. That is why racial profiling, by itself, does not work and why intelligence (the spy type, not just high SAT scores) is a critical aspect of airport security.

re: #122 Killgore Trout

I asked to get the naked scan the first time I saw them in Heathrow a few years ago. At the time they were selecting random people from the metal detector line. The naked scanner line was shorter an I thought it was kinda cool so I volunteered.

You just like showing off your junk.

re: #168 Gus 802

And a Mammogram result in 3000X the exposure of an AIT scan. That means you would have to get 3000 AIT scans to equal one Mammogram or theoretically 1,500 round trips.

re: #175 Gus 802

Then you have radar and microwave radiation. Radar can cause all kinds of future health problem when exposed directly. You also have microwave radiation from cell phone hub which typically dot the airport landscape.

Don't forget TV and computer radiation.

Too much exposure results in Palinesque and Olbermann like behavior.

re: #179 Slumbering Behemoth

You just like showing off your junk.

If you had junk like mine, you'ld want to show it off too.

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If you had junk like mine, you'ld want to show it off too.

Whatever you say, Tiny.
//

re: #177 recusancy

If you were in the high risk line it would go slower for you. It'd go faster for everyone else. You would begin to feel unwelcome in your own country.

nope. it's usually faster when i get the random full-on search. was i not clear about that?

bbiam

re: #183 researchok

Whatever you say, Tiny.
//

Ironic nicknames are ironic.

re: #181 researchok

Don't forget TV and computer radiation.

Too much exposure results in Palinesque and Olbermann like behavior.

Here's typical cosmic radiation exposure by altitude:

* at sea level: 26 mrem
* 0- 1,000 feet: 28 mrem
* 1- 2,000 feet: 31 mrem
* 2- 3,000 feet: 35 mrem
* 3-4,000 feet: 41 mrem
* 4-5,000 feet: 47 mrem
* 5-6,000 feet: 52 mrem
* 6-7,000 feet: 66 mrem
* 7-8,000 feet: 79 mrem
* 8-9,000 feet: 96 mrem

More here:

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re: #128 jaunte

They would, but they would have to change the color after Labor Day. And in this day of fiscal responsibility, that just wouldn't work.

re: #186 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ironic nicknames are ironic.

LOL

I know.

God be with you, Alouette.

re: #187 Gus 802

Here's typical cosmic radiation exposure by altitude:

* at sea level: 26 mrem
* 0- 1,000 feet: 28 mrem
* 1- 2,000 feet: 31 mrem
* 2- 3,000 feet: 35 mrem
* 3-4,000 feet: 41 mrem
* 4-5,000 feet: 47 mrem
* 5-6,000 feet: 52 mrem
* 6-7,000 feet: 66 mrem
* 7-8,000 feet: 79 mrem
* 8-9,000 feet: 96 mrem

More here:

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I'm moving into my basement.

I need to protect what little there is,

re: #145 LudwigVanQuixote

If you want airport security, do it like the Israelis. If you don't do that, don't whine when it doesn't work, or is obviously just for show.

Finding and training that many people for the entire US airport system. Whew! I think the TSA would have to recruit from the entire US population base. From what I have experienced I think they would have an overwhelming undoable challenge by qualifying and hiring from within to man even one hub let alone the entire national system.

re: #191 researchok

I'm moving into my basement.

I need to protect what little there is,

Not the basement! Radon! You can't win.

re: #184 Aceofwhat?

nope. it's usually faster when i get the random full-on search. was i not clear about that?

Are you in the high risk line?

re: #147 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, you offer a fully sedated trip as an option and make them pay for it as an added feature.

I heard George Soros was backing the legalization of marijuana in California because he was starting up an airline offering exactly such flights between LA and Vegas.

re: #193 Gus 802

Not the basement! Radon! You can't win.

It's all over for me now.

Pull the plug.

re: #192 Bobibutu

Finding and training that many people for the entire US airport system. Whew! I think the TSA would have to recruit from the entire US population base. From what I have experienced I think they would have an overwhelming undoable challenge by qualifying and hiring from within to man even one hub let alone the entire national system.

And yet, Israel manages it with a much smaller population base, a much smaller budget and actually greater international travel per capita than in the US.

re: #196 researchok

It's all over for me now.

Pull the plug.

If we pull the plug on you, what can we expect to leak out?

re: #176 LudwigVanQuixote

I am going to be doing some learning tonight.

Could you give me his name, so I can do some study in his honor?

Also, is there any particular learning that he particularly liked so that my friends and I could make some time to study it?

My father's name Pinchas ben Pinchas

I know it's kind of unusual for a son to have the same name as his father. My grandfather passed away in the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 while my grandmother was still carrying my dad.

re: #193 Gus 802

Not the basement! Radon! You can't win.

I bequeath you all mu Richard Nixon and Barry Goldwater memorabilia.

I know I can count on you to dispaly them proudly.

re: #196 researchok

It's all over for me now.

Pull the plug.

"No way am I going through one of those AIT scanner. They expose you to radiation. You know like the bomb they dropped on Hiroshima?!?"

"Can I bum a light?"

//

re: #201 Gus 802

"No way am I going through one of those AIT scanner. They expose you to radiation. You know like the bomb they dropped on Hiroshima?!?"

"Can I bum a light?"

//

Gauloises, I presume?

I think it's funny that libertarians are worried about radiation exposure when they also think you should be able to smoke 12 packs a day.

I know. It's because the gUbErNmEnt is forcing you to get exposed (to that miniscule amount).

/

re: #148 recusancy

Out of curiosity are Muslims allowed to be Israeli security agents?

Wouldn't an answer to this question defeat the purpose?

re: #199 Alouette

My father's name Pinchas ben Pinchas

I know it's kind of unusual for a son to have the same name as his father. My grandfather passed away in the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 while my grandmother was still carrying my dad.

Thank you. Tonight, there will be Jews learning in honor of Pinchas ben Pinchas.

To all Jewish Lizards, if you are interested in doing a mitzvah, take a moment sometime tonight to learn anything from the Tradition - at whatever your level is. It could even be surfing the Chabad or Aish website, and have in mind Alouette's father when you learn some Torah.

re: #203 Gus 802

I think it's funny that libertarians are worried about radiation exposure when they also think you should be able to smoke 12 packs a day.

I know. It's because the gUbErNmEnt is forcing you to get exposed (to that miniscule amount).

/

What- now you are looking for logic?

re: #206 researchok

What- now you are looking for logic?

Yeah. I get the feeling none of my arguments would work.

re: #169 Bobibutu

That is why it was coined "security theater" by professionals long ago. And remember that lots of money is being made by those in favor with politicians who gain as well by keeping the status quo.

The TSA and it's efforts to protect us are hamstrung under present US laws. We could put an end to the majority of TSA theatrics in a heartbeat but it would mean authorizing and turning on an "Able Danger" on steroids and the use of appropriate personnel to take action within the US. I would love to see it happen from the technology side but the risks are great on the Constitutional side. It ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

The great experiment of our generation is for government to find a way to engage in assymetrical warfare with the terrorists without making a mockery of the civil liberties that are the great promise of this Nation.

re: #207 Gus 802

Yeah. I get the feeling none of my arguments would work.

I'm not talking to you.

How could you turn down my Nixon/Goldwater memorabilia?
//

re: #197 LudwigVanQuixote

And yet, Israel manages it with a much smaller population base, a much smaller budget and actually greater international travel per capita than in the US.

Can we say they are more compellingly motivated and their path from decision to implementation is much, much more efficient than ours?

re: #209 researchok

I'm not talking to you.

How could you turn down my Nixon/Goldwater memorabilia?
//

Now more than ever.

/

re: #207 Gus 802

Yeah. I get the feeling none of my arguments would work.

You're looking for something that hasn't existed since Buckley died.

re: #208 sliv_the_eli

The great experiment of our generation is for government to find a way to engage in assymetrical warfare with the terrorists without making a mockery of the civil liberties that are the great promise of this Nation.

Nicely put.

re: #197 LudwigVanQuixote

And yet, Israel manages it with a much smaller population base, a much smaller budget and actually greater international travel per capita than in the US.

All correct, except they also have to deal with a much smaller number of travelers through their airports and other border crossings. I seem to recall reading a few years back that this is why the Israeli system cannot be simply cut-and-pasted into the U.S.' transportation system.

re: #212 researchok

And I really wish I were kidding about that.

re: #215 researchok

And I really wish I were kidding about that.

Papa Buckley. Maybe what the TSA needs to do is start a more aggressive public education campaign. Pamphlets, TV spots, etc.

re: #216 Gus 802

Papa Buckley. Maybe what the TSA needs to do is start a more aggressive public education campaign. Pamphlets, TV spots, etc.

Yes, but it won't matter.

Reflexive rejection is in play.

re: #217 researchok

Yes, but it won't matter.

Reflexive rejection is in play.

Yep. The TSA is of the antichrist and all that jazz.

re: #218 Gus 802

Yep. The TSA is of the antichrist and all that jazz.

You would think security is the one issue we could agree.

Obama has done a bang up job and then some- and yet there are a lot of people who want to see him fail, even in that.

That's dysfunction of the highest order.

re: #218 Gus 802

Yep. The TSA is of the antichrist and all that jazz.

The antichrist will not wear polyester.

Yet another link to Prison Planet on Drudge. Another article by truthers Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones. Gotta love it.

re: #221 Gus 802

Yet another link to Prison Planet on Drudge. Another article by truthers Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones. Gotta love it.

When I think of the faces of the victims of terror, I have that image of the fireman carrying that little dead girl in Oklahoma City.

How is it possible that that politics has become so partisan that there are those who want to see that again?

re: #222 researchok

When I think of the faces of the victims of terror, I have that image of the fireman carrying that little dead girl in Oklahoma City.

How is it possible that that politics has become so partisan that there are those who want to see that again?

They're deranged? Most of them probably never fly and just sit in their mother's basement eating 20 pound bags of Cheetos™. Here's a comment I found at Prison Planet:

# Gladiator Says:
November 15th, 2010 at 11:11 am

The Gestapo POLICE can already ask you for your papers. ANY time they want,anywhere they want, and to who they want. where have you all been…sleep at the wheel again. Homeland Security Act has created a seamless law enforcement tool with no restrictions. No warrants,no mouth piece, no legal procedings. They have FEMA camps all over the world. All the Nazi prick has to say is I think this person is a threat to national security…you notice I said think. no evidence,no clue just I think. Same scene diffrent country and year. The goosesteppers already have people put away in these prisons for the non political correct. I say KILL THEM ALL and let the Devil sort them out,not God. cause they all going to hell anyway. FUC OBAMA .FUC BUSH,FUC Clinton and Regan..They all in the same club. LIARS CLUB run by wall street and the Rothschilds.SEMPER FI and let FREEDOM ring.

re: #214 sliv_the_eli

All correct, except they also have to deal with a much smaller number of travelers through their airports and other border crossings. I seem to recall reading a few years back that this is why the Israeli system cannot be simply cut-and-pasted into the U.S.' transportation system.

In absolute numbers certainly. I am not certain though that is true when scaled to the size of Israel.

I really do not know, and I do not claim to be an expert on this. However, I have been through Ben Gurion and flown on El Al.

Ben Gurion is smaller than O Hare or LA or NY - it is about the size of Reagan National.

It is not clear to me that they have so very many more security people than Reagan.

It is clear though that the Israeli security poeple are much more professional and have substantially more training and discipline.

re: #223 Gus 802

LIARS CLUB run by wall street and the Rothschilds

... and Colonel Sanders before he went tads up.

re: #223 Gus 802

They're deranged? Most of them probably never fly and just sit in their mother's basement eating 20 pound bags of Cheetos™. Here's a comment I found at Prison Planet:

Sick bastards.

Sick, sick, sick.

That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

re: #223 Gus 802

They're deranged? Most of them probably never fly and just sit in their mother's basement eating 20 pound bags of Cheetos™. Here's a comment I found at Prison Planet:

The guy probably has a tattoo that reads "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus".

re: #225 Obdicut

... and Colonel Sanders before he went tads up.

I hated the Col with his wee beady eyes. "Oh, you'll buy my chicken."

re: #226 researchok

Sick bastards.

Sick, sick, sick.

That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

Correction: Sick and evil.

Gotta run all. Have a good evening.

re: #229 researchok

Correction: Sick and evil.

Now you are starting to sound like me. Watch it there buddy ;)

re: #231 LudwigVanQuixote

Now you are starting to sound like me. Watch it there buddy ;)

I'm going back on meds.

//

Alouette,

I am saddened to hear of your loss, my condolences to you and your family.
Peace be with you.

What is wrong with the TSA searching someone dressed as a Nun?

1. They are a terrorist trying to waltz thru security without being searched because of fear of offending a powerful western religion and they probably have five pounds of explosive on them, (three of them anally11!!!11).

2. It is an actually Catholic Nun in which case she probably has a four-six year old hidden beneath her skirt that she is taking to met his/her 'new father' in Italy, the Pope. After all you know what they say, "What happens in Italy stays in Italy, right?

///I should apologize to those offended by my comment, but then again why shoul...err...I'll apologize later maybe... :p

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I can see why this picture offends some people.

Everyone knows the real terrorist always fly wearing full Bedouin robes, a turban, a scimitar, and travel with their harem of veiled wives.

No Real Terrorist would ever dress up like a Catholic nun! They think they'd go to HELL if they did that!

//I'm sure the sister is a nice lady. But folks, that could be Jihad Jane in a habit. Get real.

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I can see why this picture offends some people.

Everyone knows the real terrorist always fly wearing full Bedouin robes, a turban, a scimitar, and travel with their harem of veiled wives.

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TERRORIST!

re: #33 Alouette

Lizards, I was so excited to tell you all about my first day on the mew job, but when I came home I found out that my dad has just passed away.

He was 91 years old and a WW2 Pacific US Navy vet.

I'm in shock, it still hasn't hit yet.

Oy, gottenyu. Holding you so close, Babushka...

re: #77 Gus 802

Or here's another idea. Only subject "Arab looking people" to AIT scans and pat down searches. Also, since the "Christmas bomber" was black, add blacks to those that will only have to go through the AIT scanner and pat down searches. This was, Drudge and the rest of the libertarians can create a new line at the airport. One that reads "whites only."

That's what a lot of people truly want. Somehow set it up so only people who can legitimately be seen as threats get searched.

This will last until the first Chechen/Bosnian/convert-from-Wichita terrorist pulls off a spectacular (God willing, only attempted) attack on U.S. soil.

re: #92 Gus 802

Yep, that's the bottom line according to them. Which is what I alluded to in my sarcastic #77. And the Christmas bomber also throws in another race into the mix but of course they'd never publicly admit to wanting to profile black males in the airport. Many would say they already do -- everywhere.

Someone once suggested, here I think, having everyone with an Arabic first name take a separate line.

All I could think of was a long line of business travellers, about my age, phones out--"Yes, this is Dr. Rashid Jefferson, have I reached the NAACP? GREAT. Let me tell you where I am."

re: #98 elizajane

Honestly, of all the invasions of privacy that you could complain about, airport security has got to be the most ridiculous.

[begin rant]
I never minded when El Al interviewed every passenger in great detail about their travel plans, or when--during the IRA's heyday--every third carry-on bag at Heathrow was hand-searched. I couldn't care less when some bored airport employee pats me down. I do not obsess about what some pervert might be doing with my x-ray, for G**'s sake. I've trained my kids, since they were 5 years old, to wear shoes that can be swiftly removed at check-points and not to carry scissors in their backpacks when we travel. (I admit, there was a small meltdown once when a plastic Barbie scissor was appropriated at check-in...). I only shrugged when I forgot the liquid container rule and lost a very expensive bottle of perfume. I mean, I'd like to travel safely. I don't care that security rules tend to be reactive. React! That's good!
[end rant]

But surely, according to the wingnut fantasy, El Al sweeps everyone who's not an Arab terrorist RIGHT ON BOARD?

No?

Aw, shucks.

re: #222 researchok

When I think of the faces of the victims of terror, I have that image of the fireman carrying that little dead girl in Oklahoma City.

How is it possible that that politics has become so partisan that there are those who want to see that again?

Bailey, or Bailee I think her name was? Her mother was a very young girl at the time, in her early twenties.

A horrible tragegy.

About those TSA full-body scans... does anyone know anything about what kind of radiation is used? I assume the dose is very low and safe? I mean, of course we can all trust the government to not endanger our health... right?

It would be one of the absurdities of the current times if these full-body scans do little (if anything) to make air travel objectively safer, but do have a minor public-health impact. Even with very low radiation doses, that's a lot of people, and a lot of flights, every day!

re: #242 Ming

About those TSA full-body scans... does anyone know anything about what kind of radiation is used? I assume the dose is very low and safe? I mean, of course we can all trust the government to not endanger our health... right?

It would be one of the absurdities of the current times if these full-body scans do little (if anything) to make air travel objectively safer, but do have a minor public-health impact. Even with very low radiation doses, that's a lot of people, and a lot of flights, every day!

Did you read the thread?

Try #168 and down from there.

re: #33 Alouette

Lizards, I was so excited to tell you all about my first day on the mew job, but when I came home I found out that my dad has just passed away.

He was 91 years old and a WW2 Pacific US Navy vet.

I'm in shock, it still hasn't hit yet.

So sorry about your dad Alouette. Take time to grieve his loss. Know that you are in my thoughts and prayers.

The Breitbart-O'Keefe-Drudge axis of right-wing agit-prop bullshitting...

re: #223 Gus 802

They're deranged? Most of them probably never fly and just sit in their mother's basement eating 20 pound bags of Cheetos™. Here's a comment I found at Prison Planet:

Just to hell with those Alex Jones fans. The bulk of these NWO-tards strike me as people who just realized you couldn't publicly be an antisemite without too much backlash anymore, so they moved paranoid obsessions elsewhere. Yet the antisemitic roots are always showing...

The sad part of this is that people locked in the Fox News/Drudge bubble will believe anything negative about Obama and the Dems. I guess ignorance is bliss.

Maybe Drudge just had a "Pamela Geller Moment," after polishing off a 5th of vodka.

I am just as against these new scanners and techniques but misleading people will only hurt the cause. But seriously, if a TSA employee started squeezing my balls I'd probably start screaming.