Disturbing New Ice Sheet Calculations Suggest Faster Sea Level Rise

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A disturbing story about recent scientific findings in Greenland and Antarctica: As Glaciers Melt, Science Seeks Data on Rising Seas.

TASIILAQ, Greenland — With a tense pilot gripping the stick, the helicopter hovered above the water, a red speck of machinery lost in a wilderness of rock and ice.

To the right, a great fjord stretched toward the sea, choked with icebergs. To the left loomed one of the immense glaciers that bring ice from the top of the Greenland ice sheet and dump it into the ocean.

Hanging out the sides of the craft, two scientists sent a measuring device plunging into the water, between ice floes. Near the bottom, it reported a temperature of 40 degrees. It was the latest in a string of troubling measurements showing that the water was warm enough to melt glaciers rapidly from below.

“That’s the highest we’ve seen this far up the fjord,” said one of the scientists, Fiammetta Straneo.

The temperature reading was a new scrap of information in the effort to answer one of the most urgent — and most widely debated — questions facing humanity: How fast is the world’s ice going to melt?

The answer to the question seems to be: a lot faster than previously thought possible.

As a result of recent calculations that take the changes into account, many scientists now say that sea level is likely to rise perhaps three feet by 2100 — an increase that, should it come to pass, would pose a threat to coastal regions the world over.

And the calculations suggest that the rise could conceivably exceed six feet, which would put thousands of square miles of the American coastline under water and would probably displace tens of millions of people in Asia.

The scientists say that a rise of even three feet would inundate low-lying lands in many countries, rendering some areas uninhabitable. It would cause coastal flooding of the sort that now happens once or twice a century to occur every few years. It would cause much faster erosion of beaches, barrier islands and marshes. It would contaminate fresh water supplies with salt.

In the United States, parts of the East Coast and Gulf Coast would be hit hard. In New York, coastal flooding could become routine, with large parts of Queens and Brooklyn especially vulnerable. About 15 percent of the urbanized land in the Miami region could be inundated. The ocean could encroach more than a mile inland in parts of North Carolina.

Abroad, some of the world’s great cities — London, Cairo, Bangkok, Venice and Shanghai among them — would be critically endangered by a three-foot rise in the sea.

Read the whole article… and also check out the accompanying slideshow.

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131 comments
1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:37:25pm

but as we all know Global Warming is a hoax perpetrated by Al Gore! Drill Baby Dril!!!Eleventy1

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2 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:40:29pm

The New York Times has gotten it wrong again from some sort of curse that prevents it from accurately reporting science. They lowball it significantly.

GIS Analysis of Global Impacts
from Sea Level Rise

Future sea level rise caused by climate change would disrupt
the physical processes, economic activities, and social systems
in coastal regions. Based on a hypothetical global sea level
increase of one to six meters, we developed GIS methods to
assess and visualize the global impacts of potential inundation
using the best available global datasets. After susceptible
areas were delineated, we estimated that the size of the areas
is between 1.055 (one meter) to 2.193 million km2 (six meters).
Population in the susceptible areas was estimated to range
from 108 (one meter) to 431 million (six meters) people.
Among the seven land-cover types in the susceptible areas,
forest and grassland account for more than 60 percent for all
the increments of sea level rise. A suite of interactive visualization
products was also developed to understand and
communicate the ramifications of potential sea level rise.

1 meter is a lot more damaging than indicated by the NYT article and the 2 meter range - which now appears likely means around 200 million flooded out.

3 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:46:25pm

Yowza. 3-6 feet is a nightmare.

4 researchok  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:46:54pm

re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote

The New York Times has gotten it wrong again from some sort of curse that prevents it from accurately reporting science. They lowball it significantly.

[Link: www.scientificamerican.com…]

GIS Analysis of Global Impacts
from Sea Level Rise

1 meter is a lot more damaging than indicated by the NYT article and the 2 meter range - which now appears likely means around 200 million flooded out.

I shall take your word on it- too much technical stuff for me to absorb in a short read.

That said, South Florida is screwed, looks like,

5 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:48:53pm

Also:

In my post:

littlegreenfootballs.com

I linked to several papers that discuss the spread of disease vectors with changing climates and I pointed out there that we are seeing cases of dengue fever in Italy France and Spain.

Since that post, we have seen it in Miami.

medicalnewstoday.com

Also harder data than NYT and links to just how bad the ice sheet loss is can be found here:

littlegreenfootballs.com

6 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:50:46pm

re: #3 Aceofwhat?

here’s a pretty good site that shows what would happen with sea levels rising between 1 and 7 meters.

7 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:51:26pm

re: #4 researchok

I shall take your word on it- too much technical stuff for me to absorb in a short read.

That said, South Florida is screwed, looks like,

Well that and NY, most of the Eastern Seaboard, Washington, and LA - but who’s counting.

I honestly won’t mourn Houston and Galveston. GOP types who deny this is happening deserve to be flooded out and then forced to flee into the desert their state will become. However - by the time that happens to them - all the civilized places will be hit too.

8 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:52:48pm

re: #4 researchok

That said, South Florida is screwed, looks like,

of course they are, but with the help of people like Marco Rubio and the power of the free market they will all be saved thanks to increased sales in house boats…

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9 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:53:33pm

re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote

Have I become an AGW pessimist?

They (coastals) better start relocating. Pretending a carbon treaty now will save Bangladesh or low lying NY in 2080 sounds like a fantasy. Even if the carbon reduction goals goals are met
most of what they predict is already in the system. Latent heat in the oceans, etc. And the population is not slowing its growth rate either.

How does 2100 (at nine billion?) have a carbon footprint like 1930 or less to turn the trends around?

10 researchok  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:55:15pm

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

Well that and NY, most of the Eastern Seaboard, Washington, and LA - but who’s counting.

I honestly won’t mourn Houston and Galveston. GOP types who deny this is happening deserve to be flooded out and then forced to flee into the desert their state will become. However - by the time that happens to them - all the civilized places will be hit too.

Yo raise an interesting point.

Historically, most great cities have been built within close proximity to seaports.

I wonder if/how climate change will impact that as well as a host of other human activities/cultures/societies.

Interesting, you know?

11 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:55:16pm

re: #6 Dreggas

here’s a pretty good site that shows what would happen with sea levels rising between 1 and 7 meters.

Such things are fine as far as they go - but they neglect storm surges and teh increased frequency of extreme weather.

A 1 meter rise (which is lowball) + a big hurricane could wipe out all of a city like Boston.

12 APox  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:55:32pm

So, where do I need to move to sit atop my perch looking down at all the deniers?

/

13 researchok  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:56:14pm

re: #12 APox

So, where do I need to move to sit atop my perch looking down at all the deniers?

/

Des Moines.
/

14 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:57:14pm

re: #11 LudwigVanQuixote

Such things are fine as far as they go - but they neglect storm surges and teh increased frequency of extreme weather.

A 1 meter rise (which is lowball) + a big hurricane could wipe out all of a city like Boston.

i think that a rise of 1-2m is a catastrophe, but i don’t get the segue to extreme weather…forgive me if i’ve missed a recent post of yours.

15 researchok  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:58:55pm

re: #9 Rightwingconspirator

Have I become an AGW pessimist?

They (coastals) better start relocating. Pretending a carbon treaty now will save Bangladesh or low lying NY in 2080 sounds like a fantasy. Even if the carbon reduction goals goals are met
most of what they predict is already in the system. Latent heat in the oceans, etc. And the population is not slowing its growth rate either.

How does 2100 (at nine billion?) have a carbon footprint like 1930 or less to turn the trends around?

You have to wonder if a single catastrophic event might result in a better outcome than a slow, creeping event.

16 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:59:30pm

re: #8 Dreggas

of course they are, but with the help of people like Marco Rubio and the power of the free market they will all be saved thanks to increased sales in house boats…

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Of course! Don’t anyone dare to doubt the power of the Invisible Hand of the Free Market. Or it will team up with its friend, Invisible Pink Unicorn, and kick your ass!

tinyurl.com

17 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:59:53pm

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

Well that and NY, most of the Eastern Seaboard, Washington, and LA - but who’s counting.

I honestly won’t mourn Houston and Galveston. GOP types who deny this is happening deserve to be flooded out and then forced to flee into the desert their state will become. However - by the time that happens to them - all the civilized places will be hit too.

Aside from the rush of American illegal immigrants potentially invading my province I live in an area that will weather the coming climate upheaval better than most, and I’m of an age where I’ll be dead before most of the problems occur, but I’m seriously worried about my grandson’s future. He’s already under the gun with his autism, I have no idea how he will cope with the crap that’s coming his way.

18 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:01:05pm

Heh.

re: #12 APox


This link shows what sea level means to us in graphic terms, same source Wired went with…

flood.firetree.net

19 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:01:07pm

re: #10 researchok

Yo raise an interesting point.

Historically, most great cities have been built within close proximity to seaports.

I wonder if/how climate change will impact that as well as a host of other human activities/cultures/societies.

Interesting, you know?

Vienna will no longer be unique.

20 researchok  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:02:21pm

re: #19 b_sharp

Vienna will no longer be unique.

I assume you meant to say Venice.

Vienna is home of pastry. I’d move heaven and earth to protect that.
/

21 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:04:10pm

re: #20 researchok

I assume you meant to say Venice.

Vienna is home of pastry. I’d move heaven and earth to protect that.
/

Why yes, yes I did.

I think.

Either Venice or Venus, I’m not sure which.

22 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:04:45pm

re: #10 researchok

Yo raise an interesting point.

Historically, most great cities have been built within close proximity to seaports.

I wonder if/how climate change will impact that as well as a host of other human activities/cultures/societies.

Interesting, you know?

Well know is difficult to use in such a case.

Is it possible that some centers of culture and learning will escape calamity and be a sort of Noah’s ark - perhaps in Canada or Sweden? I hope so.

However, for most, get real with certain facts. Economies will crash because there will not be enough food and the places that have the most of our capital investment will be underwater. Manhattan real estate prices will become zeroed out for example.

But most importantly, no economy can function without the basics of food water and shelter being met.

There will simply not be enough food for the populace. There will be vast regions where there will simply not be enough water. Pipe dreams of desalinization are just that, pipe dreams - impossible to do over such a scale for so many people. There is no way to power it without thousands of reactors dedicated to desalinizing and pumping water over a pile network that would make the Alaska pipeline look like tinker toys.

Do people who can not get enough food and water just go off and die quietly?
What if they are Americans?

You can bet those Texans are going to suddenly feel entitled to water from up north. Do the people up North give it to them when they do not have enough? And what about all those former New Yorkers? Where do they go?

So what happens is very simple.

People will fight and die over food and water. Diseases will spread like wild fire and the ever spiraling effects of AGW after tipping points will lead to a global collapse of our civilization as we know it.

Billions will die as a result.

Will we cross an oceanic oxygen tipping point?

I don’t know. If we do though, it really does not matter at all, because civilization will go down the tubes before the oxygen runs out, and then - as the oceans die, the left over motorcycle barbarians will asphyxiate on their own planet - and we will become extinct.

23 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:06:13pm

re: #14 Aceofwhat?

i think that a rise of 1-2m is a catastrophe, but i don’t get the segue to extreme weather…forgive me if i’ve missed a recent post of yours.

More heat and water vapor in the atmosphere means more extreme weather events.

We are already seeing very many more hurricanes, heat waves and tropical storms.

Extreme weather + higher ocean means bigger floods during a storm surge.

24 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:06:40pm

Semi-offtopic:
here is a creepy but effective Soviet interpretation of Bradbury’s “There will come soft rains” with English subs (Uzbekfilm, 1984):

Youtube Video

25 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:08:25pm

re: #9 Rightwingconspirator

Have I become an AGW pessimist?

They (coastals) better start relocating. Pretending a carbon treaty now will save Bangladesh or low lying NY in 2080 sounds like a fantasy. Even if the carbon reduction goals goals are met
most of what they predict is already in the system. Latent heat in the oceans, etc. And the population is not slowing its growth rate either.

How does 2100 (at nine billion?) have a carbon footprint like 1930 or less to turn the trends around?

1. The technology exists to prevent the worst of it. We just need the will to do so and the capacity to get past the lies of fossil fuel companies and their politicians.

2. It is just a matter of the right people having the will.

3. Bangladesh is already screwed. There is nothing we can do about it.

26 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:11:18pm

re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote

More heat and water vapor in the atmosphere means more extreme weather events.

We are already seeing very many more hurricanes, heat waves and tropical storms.

Extreme weather + higher ocean means bigger floods during a storm surge.

huh? i keep seeing a lot of these.

nature.com

27 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:13:43pm

re: #22 LudwigVanQuixote

Well know is difficult to use in such a case.

Is it possible that some centers of culture and learning will escape calamity and be a sort of Noah’s ark - perhaps in Canada or Sweden? I hope so.

However, for most, get real with certain facts. Economies will crash because there will not be enough food and the places that have the most of our capital investment will be underwater. Manhattan real estate prices will become zeroed out for example.

But most importantly, no economy can function without the basics of food water and shelter being met.

There will simply not be enough food for the populace. There will be vast regions where there will simply not be enough water. Pipe dreams of desalinization are just that, pipe dreams - impossible to do over such a scale for so many people. There is no way to power it without thousands of reactors dedicated to desalinizing and pumping water over a pile network that would make the Alaska pipeline look like tinker toys.

Do people who can not get enough food and water just go off and die quietly?
What if they are Americans?

You can bet those Texans are going to suddenly feel entitled to water from up north. Do the people up North give it to them when they do not have enough? And what about all those former New Yorkers? Where do they go?

So what happens is very simple.

People will fight and die over food and water. Diseases will spread like wild fire and the ever spiraling effects of AGW after tipping points will lead to a global collapse of our civilization as we know it.

Billions will die as a result.

Will we cross an oceanic oxygen tipping point?

I don’t know. If we do though, it really does not matter at all, because civilization will go down the tubes before the oxygen runs out, and then - as the oceans die, the left over motorcycle barbarians will asphyxiate on their own planet - and we will become extinct.

/ And that is the good news

28 researchok  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:15:45pm

re: #22 LudwigVanQuixote

Well know is difficult to use in such a case.

Is it possible that some centers of culture and learning will escape calamity and be a sort of Noah’s ark - perhaps in Canada or Sweden? I hope so.

However, for most, get real with certain facts. Economies will crash because there will not be enough food and the places that have the most of our capital investment will be underwater. Manhattan real estate prices will become zeroed out for example.

But most importantly, no economy can function without the basics of food water and shelter being met.

There will simply not be enough food for the populace. There will be vast regions where there will simply not be enough water. Pipe dreams of desalinization are just that, pipe dreams - impossible to do over such a scale for so many people. There is no way to power it without thousands of reactors dedicated to desalinizing and pumping water over a pile network that would make the Alaska pipeline look like tinker toys.

Do people who can not get enough food and water just go off and die quietly?
What if they are Americans?

You can bet those Texans are going to suddenly feel entitled to water from up north. Do the people up North give it to them when they do not have enough? And what about all those former New Yorkers? Where do they go?

So what happens is very simple.

People will fight and die over food and water. Diseases will spread like wild fire and the ever spiraling effects of AGW after tipping points will lead to a global collapse of our civilization as we know it.

Billions will die as a result.

Will we cross an oceanic oxygen tipping point?

I don’t know. If we do though, it really does not matter at all, because civilization will go down the tubes before the oxygen runs out, and then - as the oceans die, the left over motorcycle barbarians will asphyxiate on their own planet - and we will become extinct.

Any move inland would have a whole new set of requirements.

Firstly, unless we live within a few hundred miles of the equator, we will need technology and energy to survive. I am of course referring to large numbers of people. Smaller groups can and have lived in climatic extremes but that is the exception and not the rule. That said, even those groups had to rely on proximity to the oceans.

You can be sure that in a worst case scenario, people will not go quietly- Darwin at work, so speak. That said, I’m more concerned with anything less than a worst case scenario. The slow deterioration of a society is far less predictable, with possible large scale migrations, integrations of languages, cultures, etc.

If I knew that were coming I’d stock up on items to trade- coffee, salt, sugar. cigarettes,matches, etc. All inexpensive but all things ‘necessary’ for a civilized society to endure. I’d even get reloading equipment and learn to make bullets.

I don’t know enough about the hard sciences to speak with certainty but the possible human behaviors are fascinating.

Makes for an interesting discussion.

29 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:18:14pm

re: #26 Aceofwhat?

huh? i keep seeing a lot of these.

[Link: www.nature.com…]

Perhaps LVQ should have qualified his statement a bit, the frequency of stronger storms will go up but the overall count will likely go down.

His point is still valid, areas in low lying areas will suffer greater flooding because the amount of moisture in the storm will be higher as will the wind speeds, both which contribute to total damage caused.

30 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:24:34pm

re: #29 b_sharp

Perhaps LVQ should have qualified his statement a bit, the frequency of stronger storms will go up but the overall count will likely go down.

His point is still valid, areas in low lying areas will suffer greater flooding because the amount of moisture in the storm will be higher as will the wind speeds, both which contribute to total damage caused.

“areas in low lying areas”? Redundant am I.
Sheesh.

31 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:24:36pm

Man to security: Don’t ‘touch my junk’

Youtube Video

32 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:26:32pm

re: #29 b_sharp

Perhaps LVQ should have qualified his statement a bit, the frequency of stronger storms will go up but the overall count will likely go down.

His point is still valid, areas in low lying areas will suffer greater flooding because the amount of moisture in the storm will be higher as will the wind speeds, both which contribute to total damage caused.

This study, and others like it, say the opposite; the frequency of hurricanes may decrease, with the frequency of less-powerful storms increasing.

I’m not saying it’s a reason to celebrate AGW, don’t get me wrong. It’s just a part of the puzzle that i’ve been casually interested in. I had thought that a long-held climatology axiom was that the severity of storms should increase in correlation with an increase in the difference between tropical and polar temperatures.

So as AGW begins to make our lives quite worse, it does so by warming the poles faster than the tropics, which (i thought) would not necessarily correlate with more intense, more frequent tropical storms.

Of course, we may find the opposite to be true…it’s just that i hadn’t seen anything so conclusive on the subject yet, so i asked LVQ (who is eminently more well-read than I on this subject, to no one’s surprise).

33 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:26:34pm

re: #31 ozbloke

Man to security: Don’t ‘touch my junk’


[Video]

My junk.

Image: queen_west_bike_junk_close.jpg

34 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:27:53pm

re: #33 b_sharp

My junk.

Image: queen_west_bike_junk_close.jpg

b_sharp,

You should be proud, thats some junk.

35 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:28:39pm

re: #31 ozbloke

Don’t grope me bro!

//

36 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:28:47pm

re: #33 b_sharp

My junk.

Image: queen_west_bike_junk_close.jpg

That’s my kind of junk.

37 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:30:32pm

re: #33 b_sharp

My junk.

Image: queen_west_bike_junk_close.jpg

but how do you get it in your trunk…

38 Flounder  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:30:44pm

Ok, so I split a cord of firewood and changed the oil in my car, now the hard part; the wifey wants a new radio for her truck, now to pick one. Any suggestions or brands to stay away from?

39 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:31:05pm
40 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:31:55pm

re: #38 Shropshire_Slasher

Ok, so I split a cord of firewood and changed the oil in my car, now the hard part; the wifey wants a new radio for her truck, now to pick one. Any suggestions or brands to stay away from?

Get a satellite radio. I have XM and I love it.

41 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:34:05pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Why is the Anti-TSA video taper lying?

Thanks KT

42 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:35:06pm

re: #32 Aceofwhat?

This study, and others like it, say the opposite; the frequency of hurricanes may decrease, with the frequency of less-powerful storms increasing.


I don’t see this in the abstract you linked. Do you have access to the complete paper?

I’m not saying it’s a reason to celebrate AGW, don’t get me wrong. It’s just a part of the puzzle that i’ve been casually interested in. I had thought that a long-held climatology axiom was that the severity of storms should increase in correlation with an increase in the difference between tropical and polar temperatures.

I don’t think the answer is known for sure. This is one of the unsettled areas.

43 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:35:21pm

in short, mother earth has an invisible hand of her own, and she’s all set to whack us a really big one with it

44 Flounder  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:35:34pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout
Thats the reason she wants new, she has Sirius radio, but can only get it thru the FM receptor, which doesn’t work in cities. I’m thinkin Alpine, Iam a Blaupunkt fan but they are hard to find…

45 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:38:36pm

re: #32 Aceofwhat?

This study, and others like it, say the opposite; the frequency of hurricanes may decrease, with the frequency of less-powerful storms increasing.

I’m not saying it’s a reason to celebrate AGW, don’t get me wrong. It’s just a part of the puzzle that i’ve been casually interested in. I had thought that a long-held climatology axiom was that the severity of storms should increase in correlation with an increase in the difference between tropical and polar temperatures.

So as AGW begins to make our lives quite worse, it does so by warming the poles faster than the tropics, which (i thought) would not necessarily correlate with more intense, more frequent tropical storms.

Of course, we may find the opposite to be true…it’s just that i hadn’t seen anything so conclusive on the subject yet, so i asked LVQ (who is eminently more well-read than I on this subject, to no one’s surprise).

Ace, remember that these are more intense storm surges off of an already higher base sea level.

46 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:38:49pm

re: #41 ozbloke

This whole thing stinks. There are three videos stoking this outrage (all of them turned up throught 9-11 conspiracy nut Alex Jones. The first video made by a girl who works for a conspiracy anti-government radio show. She lied about the incident, tsa published cctv film to prove it. The socond video of a kid is over a year old, The kid set off the metal detector multiple times and need to be patted down.
Now this guy, whose story doesn’t add up and keeps changing.
It’s all bogus.

47 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:40:41pm

re: #42 b_sharp

I don’t see this in the abstract you linked. Do you have access to the complete paper?

I don’t think the answer is known for sure. This is one of the unsettled areas.

If you google the title in Scholar, you can get the PDF for free from Penn State.

from page two of the article:

In the warm-climate runs, our model generates substantially
fewer tropical storms (−27%) and hurricanes (−18%) (Fig. 3,
Supplementary Information, Fig. S3). Comparing 27 warm-climate
seasons with the control, 22 years have a decrease in tropical
storms, 3 have an increase and 2 show no change. Major
hurricane counts decrease by 8%.

granted, i’m not taking this as gospel. but if, as you say, this is one of the unsettled areas (as i had been led to believe), then LVQ had other reasons for saying what he did and it’d be a learning opportunity for me.

48 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:41:43pm

re: #45 LudwigVanQuixote

Ace, remember that these are more intense storm surges off of an already higher base sea level.

And perhaps more importantly, storm surges into areas not designed to handle them. I’m with you there. That’s bad news.

49 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:41:55pm

re: #47 Aceofwhat?

If you google the title in Scholar, you can get the PDF for free from Penn State.

from page two of the article:

granted, i’m not taking this as gospel. but if, as you say, this is one of the unsettled areas (as i had been led to believe), then LVQ had other reasons for saying what he did and it’d be a learning opportunity for me.

Thanks.

50 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:42:46pm

BBL

51 blueraven  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:45:49pm

OT-kinda

Although it will not help us to solve AGW (or anything else) in the USA if our education system doesn’t start doing better in math and science quickly!
The graph in this article showing percentage of students taking advanced math classes is just disturbing.

theatlantic.com

52 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:46:33pm

Oh noes! What will Glenn Beck do about this?
Soros increased gold positions in third quarter
Is it a trap? A conspiracy? Buy gold? Dump gold? What to do?

53 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:48:56pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

This whole thing stinks. There are three videos stoking this outrage (all of them turned up throught 9-11 conspiracy nut Alex Jones. The first video made by a girl who works for a conspiracy anti-government radio show. She lied about the incident, tsa published cctv film to prove it. The socond video of a kid is over a year old, The kid set off the metal detector multiple times and need to be patted down.
Now this guy, whose story doesn’t add up and keeps changing.
It’s all bogus.

fortunately for the sane, AJ is as subtle as a trebuchet…

54 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:50:36pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Oh noes! What will Glenn Beck do about this?
Soros increased gold positions in third quarter
Is it a trap? A conspiracy? Buy gold? Dump gold? What to do?

on this page, there is a link to:

Why gold is a bad investment
Precious metal lures susceptible buyers into a Midas crush

“Gold is going up because people are buying it, and people are buying it because it’s going up,” said Leonard Kaplan, president of Prospector Asset Management in Evanston, Ill., and a longtime gold trader

good to know o_O

55 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:52:40pm

re: #54 engineer dog

There has been talk about a gold bubble for a while now. Soros does have a reputation for “pump and dump” trading. If there’s a gold bubble he can pop it and make shitloads of money.

56 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:53:31pm

Crazy Pam Squeals…..

I just got my healthcare renewal form. My rates are up over 30% across the board and that’s with a $5,700 deductible. Impeach the liar. He really makes me sick — oops, I can’t afford to get sick.


Heh.

57 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:54:05pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

This whole thing stinks. There are three videos stoking this outrage (all of them turned up throught 9-11 conspiracy nut Alex Jones. The first video made by a girl who works for a conspiracy anti-government radio show. She lied about the incident, tsa published cctv film to prove it. The socond video of a kid is over a year old, The kid set off the metal detector multiple times and need to be patted down.
Now this guy, whose story doesn’t add up and keeps changing.
It’s all bogus.

I accept that, thanks again KT.

Frankly, the outrages are become tiresome and boring, I’m hoping it will be like the boy who cried wolf before 2012.

Though I’m not confident. In this modern world with 5 minute attention spans we expect things, and we expect them now. Its my explanation for the mid term election results.

58 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:55:32pm
59 Stanley Sea  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:57:29pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

In that vein, I spent a little time in my local paper’s comment section…

Oh help!

60 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:07:11pm

“That’s the highest we’ve seen this far up the fjord,” said one of the scientists, Fiammetta Straneo

i want a date with a woman named Fiametta

61 darthstar  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:07:16pm

Speaking of glacial movement…my promotion (mentioned here last summer) became official today…hence my absence from posting as I’m officially department fire services…only two or three more blazes to put out this week…sheesh.

I think I’ll go play in traffic for a while, and see you all later.

62 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:08:37pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

Beck pimps for the Birch Society again…
Beck: Skousen’s The 5000 Year Leap is “a book that woke me up”

we need more conservatives to write things like this (skip down to where he gets to Beck…you’ll scarcely believe you’re reading the Weekly Standard)

weeklystandard.com

63 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:09:07pm

re: #61 darthstar

Speaking of glacial movement…my promotion (mentioned here last summer) became official today…hence my absence from posting as I’m officially department fire services…only two or three more blazes to put out this week…sheesh.

I think I’ll go play in traffic for a while, and see you all later.

Troy Smith FTW…i toldz ya! i toldz ya…

64 albusteve  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:16:22pm

re: #48 Aceofwhat?

And perhaps more importantly, storm surges into areas not designed to handle them. I’m with you there. That’s bad news.

that would include the entire LA gulf…

65 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:17:02pm

Oh.Good.Grief.

Am watching the Maddow show on what a POS Mitch McConnell is over troops in Iraq and what Bush said about him wanting troops home for the 2006 mid-terms.

Sheesh.

*under the bus*

66 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:18:10pm

re: #65 wozzablog

(sorry to go OT and not trying to derail anything, i was just logged in while watching…….eessh)

67 albusteve  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:24:47pm

re: #62 Aceofwhat?

we need more conservatives to write things like this (skip down to where he gets to Beck…you’ll scarcely believe you’re reading the Weekly Standard)

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com…]

what’s their circulation?…probably fairly obscure to the average voter, which is why Beck has the upper hand…just grab the remote and click yourself into oblivion

68 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:27:43pm

re: #67 albusteve

what’s their circulation?…probably fairly obscure to the average voter, which is why Beck has the upper hand…just grab the remote and click yourself into oblivion

oh, sure. but i’m looking for folks (who make up for a smaller circulation with actual credibility) to call a spade a spade, so this was a welcome find.

69 freetoken  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:28:55pm

To me one of the important pieces of information about this story is that the satellite resources (for measuring some of Earth’s systems) are dwindling - end-of-service of a satellite does not mean a new one gets launched to replace it.

Satellites are expensive and they represent a significant share of the budget for the study of Earth science. Constricting budgets (expected) for this kind of science will mean fewer satellites.

As for sea level rise itself - as inevitable as it is (and the more we discover the more inevitable it appears), I can’t help but wonder if the slow pace of these kind of changes will still keep nations from doing what is needed.

Let’s face it, most of us will be dead by 2050 and even by then, in 40 years, sea level rise will have only amounted to a few inches.

I’ve pretty much given up on any hope that we (in the US) or the other major emitters of greenhouse gases will sharply curtail our emissions.

Climate change is just too slow to matter in politics (outside of being a target/rallying-point.)

70 albusteve  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:29:12pm

re: #68 Aceofwhat?

oh, sure. but i’m looking for folks (who make up for a smaller circulation with actual credibility) to call a spade a spade, so this was a welcome find.

yes it was, no doubt….a quiet voice in a wilderness of deceit

71 albusteve  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:31:52pm

re: #69 freetoken

To me one of the important pieces of information about this story is that the satellite resources (for measuring some of Earth’s systems) are dwindling - end-of-service of a satellite does not mean a new one gets launched to replace it.

Satellites are expensive and they represent a significant share of the budget for the study of Earth science. Constricting budgets (expected) for this kind of science will mean fewer satellites.

As for sea level rise itself - as inevitable as it is (and the more we discover the more inevitable it appears), I can’t help but wonder if the slow pace of these kind of changes will still keep nations from doing what is needed.

Let’s face it, most of us will be dead by 2050 and even by then, in 40 years, sea level rise will have only amounted to a few inches.

I’ve pretty much given up on any hope that we (in the US) or the other major emitters of greenhouse gases will sharply curtail our emissions.

Climate change is just too slow to matter in politics (outside of being a target/rallying-point.)

no problem…we will evolve
some of us will be guppies, some will be trout…
but I agree, way to late now

72 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:34:23pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

You are quite correct. The ETF’s have exacerbated this risk big time. They hold a ridiculous amount of metal to back their paper. It’s huge. If/when they profit take, 20% to 30% of the market value goes away. Couple that with a bank sell off and look out.

73 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:36:05pm

re: #69 freetoken

To me one of the important pieces of information about this story is that the satellite resources (for measuring some of Earth’s systems) are dwindling - end-of-service of a satellite does not mean a new one gets launched to replace it.

Satellites are expensive and they represent a significant share of the budget for the study of Earth science. Constricting budgets (expected) for this kind of science will mean fewer satellites.

As for sea level rise itself - as inevitable as it is (and the more we discover the more inevitable it appears), I can’t help but wonder if the slow pace of these kind of changes will still keep nations from doing what is needed.

Let’s face it, most of us will be dead by 2050 and even by then, in 40 years, sea level rise will have only amounted to a few inches.

I’ve pretty much given up on any hope that we (in the US) or the other major emitters of greenhouse gases will sharply curtail our emissions.

Climate change is just too slow to matter in politics (outside of being a target/rallying-point.)

I disagree. Storm surges and crop failures will happen much more before then. We already saw a terrible Russian and Chinese harvest.

Places like Mexico and the Southwest will start to seriously run out of water long before then.

It is just that before anyone acts we will have already committed to much worse than if we had acted now.

74 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:36:50pm

Hot Air is linking to this in the Headlines section….
‘Naked scanners’: Lobbyists join the war on terror
By: Timothy P. Carney

But this is government we’re talking about. A program or product doesn’t need to be effective, it only needs to have a good lobby. And the naked-scanner lobby is small but well-connected.


What follows is a serious of contracts awarded the day after an attack attempt and various other conspiracy nonsense about Bush.

then…

Even if the Christmas Day bomber had succeeded, the number would be under 3,500.

Those are horrible deaths. But in that same period, more than 150,000 people have been murdered in the United States. We haven’t put the entire U.S. on lockdown — or even murder capitals like Detroit, New Orleans and Baltimore.

While reducing the murder rate to zero is very desirable, we also understand that the costs, in terms of liberty and resources, are too great. But when it comes to air travel, 9/11 seems to have stripped away our ability to put things in perspective.

Politicians feed into that paranoia with their rhetoric. And lobbyists and government contractors feed on the paranoia.

Who is Timothy P. Carney?

Carney attended a course in summer 1999 and has subsequently been a “reporter, Evans/Novak Political Report, editor, Human Events Online, reporter, Human Events, published in Wall Street Journal Europe, National Review Online, Brainwash, Labor Watch, WorldNetDaily, Doublethink, The American Conservative, LewRockwell.com, appeared on ‘Talk Back Live’ (CNN)

I really think we’ve arrived at the Ron Paul/conservative convergence this week.

75 researchok  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:36:50pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

There has been talk about a gold bubble for a while now. Soros does have a reputation for “pump and dump” trading. If there’s a gold bubble he can pop it and make shitloads of money.

I’d like to know if he shorted gold.

76 HypnoToad  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:37:30pm

With slowly rising sea levels, it will be interesting to see when individuals, institutions and governments start to react to it. One of the first indicators might be insurance companies refusing coverage for property below a certain elevation. Then lenders won’t make loans to build on such land. As that land loses value, owners will start selling it to the unwary, or start thinking of who to sue if they can’t. Government will see a loss of revenue from formerly valuable property.
Moving to higher ground will be obvious and simple for some, but what about low areas with considerable infrastructure? (I’m just talking about the U.S. for now) Do we protect places like New Orleans from the elements in an ultimately losing effort, or abandon them and build elsewhere? Do we dismantle, salvage or move major structures or installations? I imagine that there will be considerable environmental damage if we just let the sea swamp cities, refineries and the like. A lot of jobs might be created, a huge new relocation industry. Can we pay for any of this if life is harder?

77 freetoken  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:38:53pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

… Soros does have a reputation for “pump and dump” trading. If there’s a gold bubble he can pop it and make shitloads of money.

Well, if he’s holding gold then if he “popped” the bubble he would lose a lot of money.

If you want to manipulate gold and make money with one going down one would have to short it.

78 researchok  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:39:28pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Hot Air is linking to this in the Headlines section…
‘Naked scanners’: Lobbyists join the war on terror
By: Timothy P. Carney


What follows is a serious of contracts awarded the day after an attack attempt and various other conspiracy nonsense about Bush.

then…

Who is Timothy P. Carney?

I really think we’ve arrived at the Ron Paul/conservative convergence this week.


We have reached a point where in the name of politics, deaths are acceptable if they will undermine political adversaries.

How did this happen?

79 Stanley Sea  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:41:19pm

re: #78 researchok

We have reached a point where in the name of politics, deaths are acceptable if they will undermine political adversaries.

How did this happen?

Team mentality run amok.

80 albusteve  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:41:33pm

re: #78 researchok

We have reached a point where in the name of politics, deaths are acceptable if they will undermine political adversaries.

How did this happen?

like the Roman senate…kill your opponents for your greater good

81 cliffster  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:44:32pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

This whole thing stinks. There are three videos stoking this outrage (all of them turned up throught 9-11 conspiracy nut Alex Jones. The first video made by a girl who works for a conspiracy anti-government radio show. She lied about the incident, tsa published cctv film to prove it. The socond video of a kid is over a year old, The kid set off the metal detector multiple times and need to be patted down.
Now this guy, whose story doesn’t add up and keeps changing.
It’s all bogus.

I travel quite a bit. My junk never comes into play. Shoes off, belt off, empty pockets. Done and done.

82 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:45:24pm

re: #81 cliffster

I travel quite a bit. My junk never comes into play.


You’re not trying hard enough.
/

83 Gus  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:45:42pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Check this out on the TSA-truther:

littlegreenfootballs.com

84 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:48:44pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Check this out on the TSA-truther:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I just replied. I think that deserves its own page.

85 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:49:21pm

re: #81 cliffster

I travel quite a bit. My junk never comes into play. Shoes off, belt off, empty pockets. Done and done.

1. track pants = win. comfortable, and no belt
2. when there’s no time to change (when you need to look nice stepping off of the plane), stuff the belt into your carry-on at home. one less thing to remove when you’re trying to hurry…

86 cliffster  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:53:03pm

re: #85 Aceofwhat?

1. track pants = win. comfortable, and no belt
2. when there’s no time to change (when you need to look nice stepping off of the plane), stuff the belt into your carry-on at home. one less thing to remove when you’re trying to hurry…

Usually, in the States, I can check in, freshen up, head to wherever. Been going to south South America a bit lately. Take off at ~9pm, try (unsuccessfully) to sleep in slacks and nice shirt. Arrive in the morning, no sleep and wrinkled clothes take a taxi straight to wherever. That gig is a drag.

87 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:54:13pm
88 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:56:07pm

re: #86 cliffster

Usually, in the States, I can check in, freshen up, head to wherever. Been going to south South America a bit lately. Take off at ~9pm, try (unsuccessfully) to sleep in slacks and nice shirt. Arrive in the morning, no sleep and wrinkled clothes take a taxi straight to wherever. That gig is a drag.

youch. that makes me feel better about flying from Jax to Ohio and back nearly every week…

89 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:58:57pm

re: #62 Aceofwhat?

we need more conservatives to write things like this (skip down to where he gets to Beck…you’ll scarcely believe you’re reading the Weekly Standard)

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com…]

Perhaps the sane parts of the GOP are awakened at last. They are very much needed.

90 cliffster  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:00:44pm

re: #88 Aceofwhat?

youch. that makes me feel better about flying from Jax to Ohio and back nearly every week…

nah, man, that bit’s no fun either. A few years back, I was doing Austin -> Denver nearly every week for about a year. That’ll drag on your life. And your marriage ;)

91 Stanley Sea  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:02:20pm

Track pants! They’d better be nice ones Ace.

92 albusteve  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:05:13pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

Perhaps the sane parts of the GOP are awakened at last. They are very much needed.

if they are indeed sane, they would be a small minority inside DC…what a pit of self interest and showmanship…the dems have gone over the cliff and their losing strategy is to take as many others with them as possible…there is little sanity inside the beltway…R or D matters not, unless you are the typical LGF commenter…this ridiculous notion that the GOP is the current inspiration for all things wrong is childish partisanship, the exact thing they blame the GOP for…it just goes round and round…I hate em all, regardless of their affiliation

93 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:06:37pm

re: #91 Stanley Sea

Track pants! They’d better be nice ones Ace.

Very understated…a nice solid navy blue. My pumas set them off nicely;)

94 ausador  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:08:20pm

I don’t see why we need to worry about this, the incoming Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Illinois Congressman John Shimkus did a very good of explaining how God promised never to flood the earth again after the little fit he threw back during Noah’s time.

See, no need to worry at all, because God promised he would never ever kill lots of people in a flood again…oh wait…what about Johnstown, what about the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami? Not that I’m saying God lied, nope I would never do that, I’m just saying that apparently we have yet to gain a perfect understanding of his will.

Maybe these people who think they can speak for God need to recheck their premise on that idea? Just sayin…

(BTW good evening folks :) )

95 cliffster  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:09:44pm

re: #91 Stanley Sea

Track pants! They’d better be nice ones Ace.

well hello Ms Sea, how you be?

96 albusteve  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:11:12pm

re: #94 ausador

I don’t see why we need to worry about this, the incoming Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Illinois Congressman John Shimkus did a very good of explaining how God promised never to flood the earth again after the little fit he threw back during Noah’s time.

See, no need to worry at all, because God promised he would never ever kill lots of people in a flood again…oh wait…what about Johnstown, what about the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami? Not that I’m saying God lied, nope I would never do that, I’m just saying that apparently we have yet to gain a perfect understanding of his will.

Maybe these people who think they can speak for God need to recheck their premise on that idea? Just sayin…

(BTW good evening folks :) )

they speak for god, I speak for Howdy Doody…same thing….there is no higher will, just us feeble bipedal heathens

97 Stanley Sea  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:11:33pm

re: #95 cliffster

well hello Ms Sea, how you be?

Hey Cliff! I’m good! Gators suck this year and that’s most important. Politics eh..same ole really.

How are you? Didn’t know you were hitting South America!

98 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:14:30pm

re: #24 Sergey Romanov

An amazing video. Thanks for posting it. I jsut shared it on my FB page. It’s mind blowing that this was done in 1984 (and more than slightly ironic).

99 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:14:38pm

Just something to giggle at:

Sonrk, AKA Iapyx AKA My little pony AKA Larry, a man who has a disturbing appreciation for early 80’s little girls’s toys,

wrote:

Oh well. There goes another mime down the Johnson…

He meant meme. Specifically he meant that everyone sane in America is wrong about the meme of the SoCon bias of the teabags.

However. I rather like this, and with Charles’ sense of humor hopefully entertained, I am going to run with it.

Charles Johnson - MIME SLAYER!

As he looked at the bullet riddled, bloodstained, black and white striped corpse and the rictus of pain frozen on the thick white cake painted face, Charles lit a cigar from the still smoking barrel of his Tommy gun and thought - “A mime is a terrible thing to waste.”

Charles put a gagged mime into a small plexi-glass box on the sidewalk. The mime died in the open and no one noticed.

100 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:15:55pm

re: #94 ausador

yeah. not a proud moment, there…

101 cliffster  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:22:50pm

re: #97 Stanley Sea

Hey Cliff! I’m good! Gators suck this year and that’s most important. Politics eh..same ole really.

How are you? Didn’t know you were hitting South America!

If I took all the attention I gave politics and put it into my job and my home, I’d be CEO, Dad Of The Year, and yard-of-the-month to boot.

Yeah, South America is a new gig. My company is trying to really move into Central/South America in a big way, and we got a customer with presence in almost every country signed up with a regional deal. I’m trying to stay in the line of fire there for the opportunity it brings. For starters, it forces me to get my spanish skilz back. I also like making contacts there because it’s a growing economy.

Really, though, it’s always been a dream of mine to try and bring technology to some of the beautiful central and south american countries to help those countries skip some of the industrial nonsense that destroys the natural beauty they have. The more their economies can bring in money through things like software engineering, the less they have to chop down forests. This bit I’m doing now isn’t that by any means, but it helps me to meet some people who can maybe help me get into that sort of thing.

102 Gus  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:24:23pm

bbl

103 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:27:39pm

re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote

I’m guessing said troll meant meme going down a drain. Though a mime going down a Johnson is a pretty funny visual. Sometimes typos can be downright inspired. Teh stoopid can be entertaining. Reminds me of a fav Kafka story…

104 Stanley Sea  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:28:16pm

re: #101 cliffster

If I took all the attention I gave politics and put it into my job and my home, I’d be CEO, Dad Of The Year, and yard-of-the-month to boot.

Yeah, South America is a new gig. My company is trying to really move into Central/South America in a big way, and we got a customer with presence in almost every country signed up with a regional deal. I’m trying to stay in the line of fire there for the opportunity it brings. For starters, it forces me to get my spanish skilz back. I also like making contacts there because it’s a growing economy.

Really, though, it’s always been a dream of mine to try and bring technology to some of the beautiful central and south american countries to help those countries skip some of the industrial nonsense that destroys the natural beauty they have. The more their economies can bring in money through things like software engineering, the less they have to chop down forests. This bit I’m doing now isn’t that by any means, but it helps me to meet some people who can maybe help me get into that sort of thing.

Wow. Really excellent.

I used to work with people in Montevideo and Asuncion (Insurance biz) We hired a lady from Bogota to do our translations though, so I never interacted. sad.

Such an intriguing thing to do, enjoy it!

105 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:28:22pm

re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote

Just something to giggle at:

Sonrk, AKA Iapyx AKA My little pony AKA Larry, a man who has a disturbing appreciation for early 80’s little girls’s toys,

wrote:

He meant meme. Specifically he meant that everyone sane in America is wrong about the meme of the SoCon bias of the teabags.

However. I rather like this, and with Charles’ sense of humor hopefully entertained, I am going to run with it.

Charles Johnson - MIME SLAYER!

As he looked at the bullet riddled, bloodstained, black and white striped corpse and the rictus of pain frozen on the thick white cake painted face, Charles lit a cigar from the still smoking barrel of his Tommy gun and thought - “A mime is a terrible thing to waste.”

Charles put a gagged mime into a small plexi-glass box on the sidewalk. The mime died in the open and no one noticed.

Hey I didn’t know Charles was fully versed in The Chicago Way…

/I’m kidding, of course. But given my historical bent, the Thompson submachinegun and Chicago are linked quite closely.

106 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:33:05pm

re: #103 Irenicum

I’m guessing said troll meant meme going down a drain. Though a mime going down a Johnson is a pretty funny visual. Sometimes typos can be downright inspired. Teh stoopid can be entertaining. Reminds me of a fav Kafka story…

Ohh he surely meant meme, and even with the correct word, his writing is the usual insanely stupid rubbish.

The meme in question is that teabags care about Socon issues. He denies that this is true. Because you know, it isn’t like all the big teabag candidates and speakers aren’t Socon or anything…

Remember, this is an “engineer” who doesn’t think that water expands when it gets hot, can’t do calculus and doesn’t understand how a termos works. He is also convinced that the Golan heights are flat and that the Israelis blew up a convoy of Syrian tanks recently up there based on a youtube video of a Swedish missile test.

This is a retard so insecure that he needs several versions of himself to agree with himself when he posts in order to make him seem like he is right and that he is popular since “people” agree with him.

I am mostly concerned though why he has such a penchant for little girl toys from the 80s.

107 cliffster  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:35:10pm

re: #104 Stanley Sea

Wow. Really excellent.

I used to work with people in Montevideo and Asuncion (Insurance biz) We hired a lady from Bogota to do our translations though, so I never interacted. sad.

Such an intriguing thing to do, enjoy it!

thanks! well, I’ll work on my spanish, but that last part of that will probably never happen.

Coming upon the time in our lives
where the little dreams live but the big dreams die

— Eliza Gilkyson

hell, now I’m depressed ;)

108 Stanley Sea  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:36:54pm

re: #107 cliffster

thanks! well, I’ll work on my spanish, but that last part of that will probably never happen.

Coming upon the time in our lives
where the little dreams live but the big dreams die

— Eliza Gilkyson

hell, now I’m depressed ;)

stop!

109 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:39:21pm

re: #106 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh he surely meant meme, and even with the correct word, his writing is the usual insanely stupid rubbish.

The meme in question is that teabags care about Socon issues. He denies that this is true. Because you know, it isn’t like all the big teabag candidates and speakers aren’t Socon or anything…

Remember, this is an “engineer” who doesn’t think that water expands when it gets hot, can’t do calculus and doesn’t understand how a termos works. He is also convinced that the Golan heights are flat and that the Israelis blew up a convoy of Syrian tanks recently up there based on a youtube video of a Swedish missile test.

This is a retard so insecure that he needs several versions of himself to agree with himself when he posts in order to make him seem like he is right and that he is popular since “people” agree with him.

I am mostly concerned though why he has such a penchant for little girl toys from the 80s.

And the fact that its the wrong toy is what’s even funnier. Back in the 80’s my younger sister was a fan of a toy line called “Rainbow Brite”, and as a result of our needing to share the VCR I had to watch some of that line’s programs. The picture “My Little Ponytail” uses is of a horse character called “Starlight” and is not in any way part of the “My Little Pony” product line.

Even in choosing avatars, “snork” produces a FAIL.

110 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:45:42pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

And the fact that its the wrong toy is what’s even funnier. Back in the 80’s my younger sister was a fan of a toy line called “Rainbow Brite”, and as a result of our needing to share the VCR I had to watch some of that line’s programs. The picture “My Little Ponytail” uses is of a horse character called “Starlight” and is not in any way part of the “My Little Pony” product line.

Even in choosing avatars, “snork” produces a FAIL.

Well then there was this great line from Snork AKA Mylittlepony AKA Iapyx AKA Larry:

Rabbi Ludwig: God Practices Collective Punishment

Because you know, in the Bible that Larry reads, G-d doesn’t do collective punishment - like the ten plagues in Egypt or that bit with Sodom and Gomorrah or the time he caused the Flood…

I mean how dumb does someone need to be?

How seriously dumb?

Of course, he showed an inability to even comprehend what was written in the piece of mine he was attempting to “debate.” But what else is new?

Like I said, what I really want to know is why a failed engineer in his 50’s has such a penchant for 80’s girls toys.

111 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:55:11pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Ohhh Minos AKA Savage, AKA Rhonda Beater has gotten into the act. They are pissed. Whatever will we do?

112 Just never mind.  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:58:03pm

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

You’d better mourn the loss of the Southern California Coast.
It’s really beautiful.
*smooch either way, Sir.*

113 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:59:42pm

re: #112 Floral Giraffe

You’d better mourn the loss of the Southern California Coast.
It’s really beautiful.
*smooch either way, Sir.*

I do mourn it.

*smooch*

114 Just never mind.  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:01:45pm

re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote

Just something to giggle at:

Sonrk, AKA Iapyx AKA My little pony AKA Larry, a man who has a disturbing appreciation for early 80’s little girls’s toys,

wrote:

He meant meme. Specifically he meant that everyone sane in America is wrong about the meme of the SoCon bias of the teabags.

However. I rather like this, and with Charles’ sense of humor hopefully entertained, I am going to run with it.

Charles Johnson - MIME SLAYER!

As he looked at the bullet riddled, bloodstained, black and white striped corpse and the rictus of pain frozen on the thick white cake painted face, Charles lit a cigar from the still smoking barrel of his Tommy gun and thought - “A mime is a terrible thing to waste.”

Charles put a gagged mime into a small plexi-glass box on the sidewalk. The mime died in the open and no one noticed.

You are in RARE form, tonight, Sir.
It’s a pleasure!

115 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:04:59pm

re: #111 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh Minos AKA Savage, AKA Rhonda Beater has gotten into the act. They are pissed. Whatever will we do?

We shall wonder aloud at why he no longer has a CDL, then it watch him go berserk. It’ll be smashingly good fun!

116 Stanley Sea  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:05:57pm

re: #112 Floral Giraffe

You’d better mourn the loss of the Southern California Coast.
It’s really beautiful.
*smooch either way, Sir.*

Well compared to Florida, at least we have cliffs. :( I know.

117 Just never mind.  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:09:43pm

re: #111 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh Minos AKA Savage, AKA Rhonda Beater has gotten into the act. They are pissed. Whatever will we do?

I swear, I wonder, if they all aren’t the same person, having conversations with themselves. Kinda like a 2 headed ogre.
At least we’re all real people.
There’s just something WRONG with the Swampers.

118 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:14:17pm

And now “Basil the Banana” no mocks my quote about snork’s FAIL of an avatar. Sadly, he lacks the ap-peel needed to make his attack really hit home. :D

119 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:30:22pm

re: #117 Floral Giraffe

I swear, I wonder, if they all aren’t the same person, having conversations with themselves. Kinda like a 2 headed ogre.
At least we’re all real people.
There’s just something WRONG with the Swampers.

Well, in the case of Larry AKA Snork AKA My Little Pony AKA Iapyx, that is exactly the case.

So it is with Minos AKA Savage and Daedalus AKA Rodent.

They have to write to themselves to seem important.

In reality given the vast number of socks these freaks has it may well be fewer than ten of them all writing and posting each other’s alternate identities - and their own (we see that every Iapyx thread multiple times and ways) - just to seem like someone cares.

They are fervent though.

120 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:31:58pm

re: #119 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, in the case of Larry AKA Snork AKA My Little Pony AKA Iapyx, that is exactly the case.

So it is with Minos AKA Savage and Daedalus AKA Rodent.

They have to write to themselves to seem important.

In reality given the vast number of socks these freaks has it may well be fewer than ten of them all writing and posting each other’s alternate identities - and their own (we see that every Iapyx thread multiple times and ways) - just to seem like someone cares.

They are fervent though.

I just think of them as an Energizer Bunny powered by hate.

121 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:32:24pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

I just think of them as an Energizer Bunny powered by hate.

Cheetos and cheap beer more likely.

122 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:35:51pm

re: #121 LudwigVanQuixote

Cheetos and cheap beer more likely.

Now, now! I’ll have you know that Rodan got drunk on tequila, not on anything as weak as beer.

/must I?

123 danhenry1  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:39:14pm

And I had to just finish reading, Flood, Stephen Baxter. Talk about fast rising water

124 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:43:00pm

OHHH Snork AKA My Little Pony is at it some more….

I’m beginning to realize that he doesn’t understand the meaning of the word “billion”. It’s like algebra. In the US, it’s 10^9. In the UK, it’s 10^12. Law firms are expensive, but not that expensive.

I could point out that the whole lawfirm quote wasn’t mine - but that kind of reading comprehension is not the issue. We’ve known for some time that the freaks there can’t read.

What amuses me also is they think that my mocking of a serendipitous typo was the point.

But pointing it out has hurt them.

Snork wants us to know that he knows the definition of a Billion and that in the old commonwealth usage it is a different number than the standard one used by scientists around the world.

He’s threatened now.

And they were so quiet about how Reagan, Thatcher and Bush Sr. were pro AGW action.

125 Just never mind.  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:08:14pm

re: #124 LudwigVanQuixote

OHHH Snork AKA My Little Pony is at it some more…

I could point out that the whole lawfirm quote wasn’t mine - but that kind of reading comprehension is not the issue. We’ve known for some time that the freaks there can’t read.

What amuses me also is they think that my mocking of a serendipitous typo was the point.

But pointing it out has hurt them.

Snork wants us to know that he knows the definition of a Billion and that in the old commonwealth usage it is a different number than the standard one used by scientists around the world.

He’s threatened now.

And they were so quiet about how Reagan, Thatcher and Bush Sr. were pro AGW action.

Maybe they just want a SERIOUS SPANKING SESSION with us, Sir.
They need to try to practice OBEDIENCE!
LOL!
We could take requests, they’re in need of training!
Hiya Snork! Or Larry, or whatever your name is!

126 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:43:52pm

Peter D Ward’s new book Flooded Earth tells us what’s cooking.

Us.
Our planet.

We’ve already crossed the point of no return with respect to the Greenland ice cap, in his view. It’s gone. Right now, it’s still there. But so is a snow man, at the outset of a sunny day. Not gonna last.

We are labeled Cassandras. I am not sure what a Cassandra is. But I know what I am: scared.

Ward expects sea level to be 3 to 5 feet above its 2000 level by 2130 or so. Current rates of increase are far too modest to yield that result. His point is that the current decline of the Greenland ice cap is the beginning of a much more rapid decline. That more rapid melting, the result of a vicious cycle, will, in his view, drive sea levels up.

What’s 3 feet? In the world’s major deltas, it’s a lot. If the land rises only very gradually from the sea, say, 1 feet in five miles, then 3 feet is fifteen miles. A lot of what had been good farming land, 30 miles inland, will now be only 15 miles inland, and it will be awash in salt water every time a typhoon pushes sea level another 5 feet higher for the duration of the storm.

The warming is also expected to affect crop yields. Not everybody’s a loser: Canada up 12%, Europe +4%…

Mexico, down 24%, Pakistan down 26%, India down 31%.

Houston, we have a problem.

We also have a testable prediction: soon, the Northwest passage will be a reality every summer. And Ward is not just an author. He’s a scientist. He knows a lot more than he can fit in a book for a general audience.

127 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:53:11pm

re: #76 HypnoToad

With slowly rising sea levels, it will be interesting to see when individuals, institutions and governments start to react to it. One of the first indicators might be insurance companies refusing coverage for property below a certain elevation. Then lenders won’t make loans to build on such land. As that land loses value, owners will start selling it to the unwary, or start thinking of who to sue if they can’t. Government will see a loss of revenue from formerly valuable property.
Moving to higher ground will be obvious and simple for some, but what about low areas with considerable infrastructure? (I’m just talking about the U.S. for now) Do we protect places like New Orleans from the elements in an ultimately losing effort, or abandon them and build elsewhere? Do we dismantle, salvage or move major structures or installations? I imagine that there will be considerable environmental damage if we just let the sea swamp cities, refineries and the like. A lot of jobs might be created, a huge new relocation industry. Can we pay for any of this if life is harder?

The thing to do now is to be wary of putting effort into structures that are supposed to hold up for a century or more, but are sited at elevations of less than 3 feet or that serve such elevations.

Galveston and New Orleans will have to be abandoned. In military terms, these are untenable positions. What now stands there remains useful for the time being, but if and when it’s destroyed, don’t rebuild. And get the damned evacuation plans right. As sea levels rise, evacuation becomes iffier unless skill levels rise faster.

Miami is also untenable if sea levels rise as much as must be expected. New York city? Tough call.

IF we have a secure energy source, then our bountiful resources of iron ore and our technological prowess will enable us to keep putting new stuff, however much we need, in place, far enough inland that its useful life will be done before the sea gets there.

Stuff we intend to keep basically forever [e.g. nuclear waste dumps] should be put above 100 feet. If all the icecaps melt, sea level could rise a LOT. That would take several centuries, but forever means, at a minimum, several centuries.

128 Interesting Times  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:54:30pm

re: #126 lostlakehiker

The warming is also expected to affect crop yields. Not everybody’s a loser: Canada up 12%, Europe +4%…

I don’t see how that’s possible if current drought predictions hold.

129 friarstale  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:12:01am

Oh my God!
We’re all gonna die!

With a tense pilot gripping the stick…

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0066214130</?tag=littlegreenfo-20

130 Ming  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:12:44am

Rising sea levels may affect Israel… all that land along the Mediterranean…

131 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:12:57am

I’m holding onto future oceanfront property here in North Georgia. /


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