Rangel Found Guilty on Ethics Charges

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To no one’s surprise, New York Democrat Charles Rangel has been found guilty of ethics violations.

Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.) has been found guilty on 11 ethics charges, ending a two-year investigation into his personal finances.

A special eight-member panel of the House ethics committee, after deliberating for roughly six hours, found that there was “clear and convincing evidence” that Rangel had violated House ethics on 11 of the 13 charges he faced heading into a rare public ethics trial.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:19:15am

As annoying as it will be to hear the right crow about this, I am glad he was found guilty and it shows that dems at least make the effort to police their own.

Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:20:40am

So this is the part where the wingnuts howl in victory and scream for blood, followed up with shrill outrage that no matter what the punishment turns out to be, it fell short.

NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:20:48am

Drain that swamp!

theheat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:21:14am

Not surprised he's guilty, because he's a lifetime uberdouche, but surprised he was actually found guilty. Knock me over with a feather.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:21:19am

OT but great one-two punch from Maddow/Stewart to McCain

Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:21:27am

He should get an extra slap for whining that he couldn't afford a lawyer.

Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:22:00am

This is all Pelosi's doing.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:22:11am

re: #6 Obdicut

he should have done what the rest of us usually have to do, get a public defender.

Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:22:31am

Hey Dreg, get your new game yet?

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:24:10am

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A friend of mine actually got me to start playing WoW. Honestly, I like it so far. The story is pretty good and the UI is pretty nice plus it seems like the devs listen to the players. Granted it's only going to hold me over until the 40k MMO, Diablo III, or the second part of Starcraft II comes out but so far I am digging it.

DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:24:51am

What would the outcome have been for a private citizen (not of the legislature) who was guilty of the same offenses?

Anyone?

Is Rangle still on the hook for tax charges in addition to the action taken today?

I don't take him for the resign in shame type.

DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:25:53am

re: #10 Dreggas

A friend of mine actually got me to start playing WoW. Honestly, I like it so far...

Get back to us when you are taking fluids intravenously and wearing depends so you don't miss any game play. /

Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:26:15am

re: #10 Dreggas

A friend of mine actually got me to start playing WoW.

/tear

Youtube Video

Big Steve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:26:42am

Lets see.....a one day senate hearing.....a stylized flounce out of chambers by Rangel.....a soon to be announced minor punishment. Anyone else suspect the fix is in? This has been entirely engineered to make it go away quick.

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:28:00am

re: #10 Dreggas

A friend of mine actually got me to start playing WoW. Honestly, I like it so far. The story is pretty good and the UI is pretty nice plus it seems like the devs listen to the players. Granted it's only going to hold me over until the 40k MMO, Diablo III, or the second part of Starcraft II comes out but so far I am digging it.

Last year my daughter got me into "Farmville." Thank goodness we both did rehab and I have been Farmville free for 6 months 2 weeks 4 days and 16 hours.

Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:28:29am

re: #14 Big Steve

Lets see...a one day senate hearing...a stylized flounce out of chambers by Rangel...a soon to be announced minor punishment. Anyone else suspect the fix is in? This has been entirely engineered to make it go away quick.

I don't think so. Pelosi said she was going to drain the swamp. There's not as many Democrats in the swamp after their drubbing in the election... not much to drain... these things will go very quickly.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:28:46am

re: #12 DaddyG

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL. Actually I am pretty good at getting off the computer. I have computer time scheduled then time with the wife and even go out on the weekends. I am not a new comer to MMO's been playing Age of Conan for 3 years and still made time for normal things.

Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:29:01am

My kids found my old stash of D&D books, they're trying to drag me back in.

DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:29:53am

re: #17 Dreggas You are a stronger person than I. I can't even get near role playing games without getting sucked in for long periods of time. Heck bubble shooter even sucks me in.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:30:25am

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If D&D Online had been set in FR instead of the the setting they did choose, I probably would be playing it.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:30:58am

re: #19 DaddyG

Don't get me wrong, I log a lot of hours playing, but I do leave the desk to take care of normal every day things.

Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:31:41am

re: #10 Dreggas

A friend of mine actually got me to start playing WoW. Honestly, I like it so far. The story is pretty good and the UI is pretty nice plus it seems like the devs listen to the players. Granted it's only going to hold me over until the 40k MMO, Diablo III, or the second part of Starcraft II comes out but so far I am digging it.

Having been a former WoW player, I will say it was plenty of fun until I got tired of grinding through the umpteenth quest to go kill 50 whatevers.

I switched to DDO (Dungeons and Dragons online) and like it a lot better. Not so grindy, and lends itself better to pickup gaming where I found that being a solo was a lot harder in WoW.

Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:33:51am

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My kids found my old stash of D&D books, they're trying to drag me back in.

I'm going to try to get an online P&P game going. I found some great FREE rules online that are much more rules light that definitely appeal.

www.basicfantasy.org

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:34:29am

re: #22 PT Barnum

I don't mind quest grinding. I got tired of the grinding in Age of Conan since it was, literally, the same quests over and over for the lvl 80 faction stuff. Soloing hasn't been completely headache free, I have died a few times (which is a good thing) actually had to work on pulling and such. Plus I enjoy PvP and there is a point to it in WoW, same goes for guilds, in Age of Conan any race could be a member of any guild and there was never the level of tension between races. In WoW it appears that Horde sticks with Horde etc.

Big Steve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:34:45am

re: #16 Walter L. Newton

I don't think so. Pelosi said she was going to drain the swamp. There's not as many Democrats in the swamp after their drubbing in the election... not much to drain... these things will go very quickly.

You're probably right. But damn...I just wish for once when a Democrat was caught wrong doing it wasn't for tax evasion. Gives the right too much to crow about.

cliffster Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:35:04am

Why didn't he just resign? This shit just makes a mockery out of him. Walking out of his hearing, talking about not being able to get a lawyer.. stupid. I made a mistake, I got caught.. done. It's not the end of the world - you're 80 years old, dude, go hang out with your great grandkids.

Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:35:12am

re: #20 Dreggas

If D&D Online had been set in FR instead of the the setting they did choose, I probably would be playing it.

I guess I have been out of the whole P&P game so long that setting didn't make any difference to me. Of course, I'm an old school player, meaning as a DM I wrote my own world and dungeons.

Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:35:39am

re: #20 Dreggas

If D&D Online had been set in FR instead of the the setting they did choose, I probably would be playing it.

Agreed. They made the same mistake with their movie.

"You've got a half dozen campaign setting with years of history and backstory with thousands of people who already love them, and you went with this?"

DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:36:26am

Give 'em the old rangle dazzle
Rangle dazzle 'em
Give 'em a bill with earmarked cash in it
And the reaction will be passionate
Give 'em the old habeus corpus
Make 'em call you in
How can they see with bullsquat in their eyes?

What if your holdings are offshore?
What if, in fact, you're just a bore?

Rangle dazzle 'em
And they'll never catch wise!

Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:36:53am

re: #24 Dreggas

I don't mind quest grinding. I got tired of the grinding in Age of Conan since it was, literally, the same quests over and over for the lvl 80 faction stuff. Soloing hasn't been completely headache free, I have died a few times (which is a good thing) actually had to work on pulling and such. Plus I enjoy PvP and there is a point to it in WoW, same goes for guilds, in Age of Conan any race could be a member of any guild and there was never the level of tension between races. In WoW it appears that Horde sticks with Horde etc.

You end up doing the same dungeons over and over again in DDO, but the nice thing is you can do them with a different group each time, which really makes the whole thing much more interesting, I usually try to play with as many newbies as I can find and not give them any clues that I know what I'm doing either.

theheat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:37:17am

re: #25 Big Steve

For every Dem popped for money problems, there's probably 20 family values GOPS banging their mistress or letting another man rest his testicles on his chin. Fortunately, many times there's someone with a camera.

Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:37:45am

re: #14 Big Steve

Lets see...a one day senate hearing...a stylized flounce out of chambers by Rangel...a soon to be announced minor punishment. Anyone else suspect the fix is in? This has been entirely engineered to make it go away quick.

None of this will immunize him from Treasury.

NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:37:57am

re: #25 Big Steve

You're probably right. But damn...I just wish for once when a Democrat was caught wrong doing it wasn't for tax evasion. Gives the right too much to crow about.

I got one for ya. Rep. William Jefferson of Louisiana wasn't busted for tax evasion. He was caught taking bribes.

Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:38:24am

re: #31 theheat

For every Dem popped for money problems, there's probably 20 family values GOPS banging their mistress or letting another man rest his testicles on his chin. Fortunately, many times there's someone with a camera.

It's the hypocrisy, stupid!

Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:38:48am

re: #27 PT Barnum

I guess I have been out of the whole P&P game so long that setting didn't make any difference to me. Of course, I'm an old school player, meaning as a DM I wrote my own world and dungeons.

I actually used the Paladium Fantasy setting using Chaosium RPG rules to run a really great campaign for about 2 years. Plus I pulled in references from about a dozen different literary, historic and fantasy works.

Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:39:44am

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Agreed. They made the same mistake with their movie.

"You've got a half dozen campaign setting with years of history and backstory with thousands of people who already love them, and you went with this?"

Man have I been out of the scene that long? The only settings I remember are Greyhawk and Raven something.

albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:39:46am

re: #31 theheat

For every Dem popped for money problems, there's probably 20 family values GOPS banging their mistress or letting another man rest his testicles on his chin. Fortunately, many times there's someone with a camera.

just can't shake the partisan angle?...what a bunch of butthurt

cliffster Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:40:39am

re: #31 theheat

For every Dem popped for money problems, there's probably 20 family values GOPS banging their mistress or letting another man rest his testicles on his chin. Fortunately, many times there's someone with a camera.

is it illegal to let a man rest his testicles on your chin?

Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:41:39am

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I actually used the Paladium Fantasy setting using Chaosium RPG rules to run a really great campaign for about 2 years. Plus I pulled in references from about a dozen different literary, historic and fantasy works.

Chaosium was one of the best. But for just plain getting through combat quick and simplicity, I still like the first edition AD&D rules. Once they started getting nutty with all the supplements, etc, I just lost interest.

But my style of play was to use the rules to help move the plot along rather than to make the game a real time strategy game with single man units.

ihateronpaul Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:41:57am

snooooore

Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:42:01am

re: #36 PT Barnum

Man have I been out of the scene that long? The only settings I remember are Greyhawk and Raven something.

Official D&D realms included

Greyhawk
Ravenloft
Dragonlance
Forgotten Realms
Dark Sun
Planescape

There were also a few third party realms available as well.

theheat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:42:16am

re: #34 PT Barnum

re: #37 albusteve

From an entertainment angle, I'm saying there's been many more of one in the news than the other. And yes, I find it entertaining when a career crook like Rangel gets busted, and when some family values guy with a wandering penis makes the front page. But one happens more often than the other. Way more often.

DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:43:38am

re: #31 theheat

Its not really a happy day for anyone when an elected official gets caught with his or her hands in the cookie jar, till, mistress, etc.

Given the GOPs talent for debauchery and the Dems talent for graft while all the time railing against the very things they do; the line from Hamlet: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." may be a good barometer of public officials shenanigans.

Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:44:19am

re: #39 PT Barnum

Chaosium was one of the best. But for just plain getting through combat quick and simplicity, I still like the first edition AD&D rules. Once they started getting nutty with all the supplements, etc, I just lost interest.

But my style of play was to use the rules to help move the plot along rather than to make the game a real time strategy game with single man units.

2d Edition went crazy with the supplements towards the end and 3rd edition went that way from the start.

I remain a fan of the basic core 2d edition rules, though we tended to do away with level restrictions for demihumans.

theheat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:44:28am

re: #43 DaddyG

I'm happy. Happy they're caught.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:44:38am

I guess they left him swinging in the wind until November.

DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:44:51am

re: #37 albusteve

just can't shake the partisan angle?...what a bunch of butthurt

Echoes of the magical balance fairy.

Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:45:00am

re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Official D&D realms included

Greyhawk
Ravenloft
Dragonlance
Forgotten Realms
Dark Sun
Planescape

There were also a few third party realms available as well.

I think I got disgusted about the time they started on the whole "official" bullshit. To me it was just a way to get people to spend money on supplements.

But as my campaigns were mostly short term and of fairly small scope, they all pretty much featured the generic midieval fantasy setting and I focused more on the characters and situations.

Best time I had was the Monty Python and the Holy Grail campaign which I ended up running at GenCon back when it was still being held in Kenosha WI (78 or 79 if I recall)

DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:45:29am

re: #45 theheat

I'm happy. Happy they're caught.

Good point.

DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:46:55am

re: #38 cliffster

is it illegal to let a man rest his testicles on your chin?

One needs to rest them somewhere during a thorough TSA patdown. /

Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:47:50am

re: #48 PT Barnum

I think I got disgusted about the time they started on the whole "official" bullshit. To me it was just a way to get people to spend money on supplements.

But as my campaigns were mostly short term and of fairly small scope, they all pretty much featured the generic midieval fantasy setting and I focused more on the characters and situations.

Best time I had was the Monty Python and the Holy Grail campaign which I ended up running at GenCon back when it was still being held in Kenosha WI (78 or 79 if I recall)

Monty Python runs were the best.

"Ahead of you on the path is a scene of utter carnage, bodies strewn about, organs hanging from trees. Make a perception check."

/dice roll, makes it

"You see a small rabbit hop across the trail."

"SHIT! RUN!"

Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:47:51am

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

2d Edition went crazy with the supplements towards the end and 3rd edition went that way from the start.

I remain a fan of the basic core 2d edition rules, though we tended to do away with level restrictions for demihumans.

The big gain in my mind was when they got rid of the negative Armor Classes and just went to something a little easier to calculate. Everyone did THAC0 anyway, but that is the one change that made it a lot easier.

Runequest was a lot of fun, as was Call of Cthulhu. GURPS was a great concept but after taking an hour to get through a combat that would have taken 5 minutes in D&D I gave up on it.

theheat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:48:29am

re: #38 cliffster

Not illegal, but they often need to be pushed out of the way when the restee is signing their name to some kind of anti-gay propaganda. More of a nuisance, really.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:49:28am

re: #52 PT Barnum

The big gain in my mind was when they got rid of the negative Armor Classes and just went to something a little easier to calculate. Everyone did THAC0 anyway, but that is the one change that made it a lot easier.

I didn't like THAC0 one bit. I like what they did in 3.0 and forward. I do believe they did make things to roll dependent but if you have a DM who can spin a tale and a group that will get into character a bit then it is a lot of fun.

Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:49:49am

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Monty Python runs were the best.

"Ahead of you on the path is a scene of utter carnage, bodies strewn about, organs hanging from trees. Make a perception check."

/dice roll, makes it

"You see a small rabbit hop across the trail."

"SHIT! RUN!"

We even did better than that. We had a lumberjack (was actually a Ranger) Woger the Wanger who really wanted to be a Paladin. "My mother sent me to lumberjack school in the Petrified Forest. Do you realize what it's like to cut down the same tree for 5 years!?"

I never wanted to be a lumberjack
I wanted to be a PALADIN
with my best +5 holy sword by my side
I'd sing sing sing

and it went downhill from there.

albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:50:30am

re: #47 DaddyG

Echoes of the magical balance fairy.

what's that?....another veiled old meme?, that one party is less honest than the other?...

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:50:41am

re: #55 PT Barnum

I'm a paladin and I'm ok
I sleep all night and pray all day

Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:50:47am

re: #54 Dreggas

I didn't like THAC0 one bit. I like what they did in 3.0 and forward. I do believe they did make things to roll dependent but if you have a DM who can spin a tale and a group that will get into character a bit then it is a lot of fun.

That's what I enjoyed the most. My games tended to be a lot more like improvisational theatre with dice rolls.

Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:51:00am

re: #52 PT Barnum

The big gain in my mind was when they got rid of the negative Armor Classes and just went to something a little easier to calculate. Everyone did THAC0 anyway, but that is the one change that made it a lot easier.

Runequest was a lot of fun, as was Call of Cthulhu. GURPS was a great concept but after taking an hour to get through a combat that would have taken 5 minutes in D&D I gave up on it.

Yeah, GURPS was nuts. I like the Chaosium system because it did away with figuring XP and it did away with ridiculous HP issues. A cultist with a sword was a serious opponent whether you were a new recruit or a seasoned veteran. None of the the D&D issue of "I've got 89 hit points, he's got 6. I'll be right back" nonsense.

cliffster Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:51:29am

re: #53 theheat

Not illegal, but they often need to be pushed out of the way when the restee is signing their name to some kind of anti-gay propaganda. More of a nuisance, really.

ha! that's pretty funny, but the visual is starting to get a little too clear. please stop now. please

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:52:06am

Bachmann: It's not an earmark if it's for my district

Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:52:53am

re: #55 PT Barnum

We even did better than that. We had a lumberjack (was actually a Ranger) Woger the Wanger who really wanted to be a Paladin. "My mother sent me to lumberjack school in the Petrified Forest. Do you realize what it's like to cut down the same tree for 5 years!?"

I never wanted to be a lumberjack
I wanted to be a PALADIN
with my best +5 holy sword by my side
I'd sing sing sing

and it went downhill from there.

We had an evoker named Tim who only ever learned firespells and would cast them at the drop of a hat.

The local druids were not fond to Tim marketing his "Fireball Fun in the Forest" vacation package.

Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:54:31am

re: #57 Dreggas

I'm a paladin and I'm ok
I sleep all night and pray all day

Actually the song went like this

I'm a paladin and I'm okay
I drink all night and I fight all day
I cut down trolls
I chop them up
I like to eat what's left
And if you're not a good guy
your skull I'll have to cleft

I'm a paladin and I'm Okay
I fight all night and I pray all day
I cut down foes
I smite them down
I give the men a treat
I put on women's clothing
and Walk along the street

I'm a paladin and I'm okay
I pray all night and I sleep all day
I wear fishnets
and thigh high boots
and smoke a big a big cigar
I wish I'd been a fellah
just like my dear papar.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:55:33am

re: #63 PT Barnum

ROFLMAO

Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:55:48am

As usual, late to the party. And Rangel is a douche.

Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:55:54am

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, GURPS was nuts. I like the Chaosium system because it did away with figuring XP and it did away with ridiculous HP issues. A cultist with a sword was a serious opponent whether you were a new recruit or a seasoned veteran. None of the the D&D issue of "I've got 89 hit points, he's got 6. I'll be right back" nonsense.

Drop me a line sometime (link on my website) love to share old war stories.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:56:01am

re: #25 Big Steve

You're probably right. But damn...I just wish for once when a Democrat was caught wrong doing it wasn't for tax evasion. Gives the right too much to crow about.

Democrats tax evade. Republicans get caught in sleazy hotels with people they're not married to. These are the RULES. You want us to start breaking the RULES?

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:57:08am

re: #38 cliffster

is it illegal to let a man rest his testicles on your chin?

No, but it is very embarrassing if you've made a career of campaigning against such.

Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:57:13am

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

Democrats tax evade. Republicans get caught in sleazy hotels with people they're not married to. These are the RULES. You want us to start breaking the RULES?

/

At least the Republicans get something out of it!!
///

DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:57:20am

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

Democrats tax evade. Republicans get caught in sleazy hotels with people they're not married to. These are the RULES. You want us to start breaking the RULES?

/

And Tea Party candidates are upset when their government benefits take 30 days to kick in.

I'm seeing a pattern emerge.

McSpiff Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:57:40am

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

Democrats tax evade. Republicans get caught in sleazy hotels with people they're not married to. These are the RULES. You want us to start breaking the RULES?

/

Maybe if Republicans didn't have such commitment issues they wouldn't be trying to ban gay marriage...

Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:57:48am

Another video from alex Jones to get the wingnuts riled up....
TSA NOW PUTS HANDS DOWN PANTS: PART OF NEW SCREENING

Youtube Video

Dance, wingnuts! Dance!

Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:57:55am

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, GURPS was nuts. I like the Chaosium system because it did away with figuring XP and it did away with ridiculous HP issues. A cultist with a sword was a serious opponent whether you were a new recruit or a seasoned veteran. None of the the D&D issue of "I've got 89 hit points, he's got 6. I'll be right back" nonsense.

I dunno, the dice could mess with ya anyway. I had a single Hobgoblin with 1 hit point take out an entire party through a series of improbabledice rolls. He went down in group history as the Samurai Hobgoblin.

What, me worry? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:58:53am

re: #24 Dreggas

I don't mind quest grinding. I got tired of the grinding in Age of Conan since it was, literally, the same quests over and over for the lvl 80 faction stuff. Soloing hasn't been completely headache free, I have died a few times (which is a good thing) actually had to work on pulling and such. Plus I enjoy PvP and there is a point to it in WoW, same goes for guilds, in Age of Conan any race could be a member of any guild and there was never the level of tension between races. In WoW it appears that Horde sticks with Horde etc.

PvP in WoW is super intense. A heck of a lot of fun, but it was consuming me. I had to let it go.

Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:59:16am

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Another video from alex Jones to get the wingnuts riled up...
TSA NOW PUTS HANDS DOWN PANTS: PART OF NEW SCREENING

[Video]
Dance, wingnuts! Dance!

That got the headline slot at Drudge! Woot!

LMAO The on hallowed conservative news aggregator, Drudge, is now linking to Alex Jones.

DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:59:18am

re: #72 Killgore Trout

TSA NOW PUTS HANDS DOWN PANTS: PART OF NEW SCREENING!

No extra charge for happy ending. /

lawhawk Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:59:18am

re: #4 theheat

Not surprised he's guilty, because he's a lifetime uberdouche, but surprised he was actually found guilty. Knock me over with a feather.

Oh, that he was guilty was not in doubt. The panel was hinting that the facts of the case were undisputed and indisputable. The only question is what the punishment will be. After all, Rangel admitted to a bunch of the issues - the rent stabilized apartment mess, the tax issues, but disputed that he did anything wrong with the lobbying for the Rangel Center at CUNY.

The only question is whether he gets the slap on the wrist or gets expelled. I think he ultimately deserves expulsion - after all, he was chair of the very committee that sets tax policy and yet he broke the law and avoided paying taxes over a period of years that shows he blatantly disregarded the very law he was writing.

Yet, at the same time, his constituents had no problem reelecting him. That's perhaps the bigger story here. They reelected him in 2008, after the allegations came to light, they reelected him in 2010 in the primary and then general election. Voters had 4 chances to send him packing, and refused in each instance. That's absolutely incredible for a situation - the tax avoidance/evasion - that would hit most anyone with significant penalties and possibly jail.

cliffster Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:59:42am

re: #61 Dreggas

Bachmann: It's not an earmark if it's for my district

that's particularly annoying - they aren't really earmarks if they are important? what a crock.

Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:00:10am

re: #75 Gus 802

That got the headline slot at Drudge! Woot!

LMAO The on hallowed conservative news aggregator, Drudge, is now linking to Alex Jones.

Lol!

recusancy Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:01:20am

re: #77 lawhawk

The problem with the primary was that he had too many opponents watering down the anti-Rangel vote.

Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:01:24am

Uh oh.

Ring guilty on five counts in Abramoff bribery case
By Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 16, 2010

A federal jury Monday convicted Washington lobbyist Kevin A. Ring on five of eight counts related to the Jack Abramoff bribery and influence-peddling scandal, handing a victory to the Justice Department unit charged with fighting corruption in government.

After a two-week trial and three days of deliberation, the D.C. panel of eight men and four women found Ring guilty on charges of conspiracy, fraud and illegal gratuities related to his work with disgraced lobbyist Abramoff and Ring's former boss, then-Rep. John T. Doolittle (R-Calif.).

The jury acquitted Ring, of Kensington, on three counts of fraud in his dealings with John C. Albaugh, chief of staff to then-Rep. Ernest J. Istook Jr. (R-Okla.), who recanted his testimony against Ring shortly before trial.

Continues.

Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:02:45am

re: #73 PT Barnum

I dunno, the dice could mess with ya anyway. I had a single Hobgoblin with 1 hit point take out an entire party through a series of improbabledice rolls. He went down in group history as the Samurai Hobgoblin.

Dragonlance campaign. We had a minotaur gladiator charge a green dragon, deliver 86 points of damage in a single hit and it was still up. It was me, then the dragon. So the noble bard swings his sword, barely hits and scratches the dragon for 1 points. The dragon fell over dead. It only had 87 hit points and it passed its system shock roll for massive damage.

Of course, history recorded the tail as the noble bard defeating the dragon with his faithful, but somewhat dim, minotaur companion, because hey, are you going to belief the talking cow or the charming half elf with a ring of human influence and a skill specialization in story telling?

Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:03:18am

re: #79 Killgore Trout

Lol!

GOP, meet (part of) the new base: 911 was an inside job!!11ty

Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:03:35am

My radio just said a man from Massachusetts was charged in the Time Square attempted bombing. Support.

Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:04:03am

re: #75 Gus 802

This new cooperation between Drudge and Alex Jones has reached a whole new level over the past few weeks. Drudge has been headlining everything Alex Jones has been throwing out no matter how worthless or obscure. Some internet radio show nobody has ever heard of before makes an unsubstantiated claim and it's national news? Google the radio show. They don't even have a webpage. This is just insanity.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:04:09am

re: #82 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL

Ericus58 Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:04:41am

re: #77 lawhawk

"Yet, at the same time, his constituents had no problem reelecting him. That's perhaps the bigger story here. They reelected him in 2008, after the allegations came to light, they reelected him in 2010 in the primary and then general election. Voters had 4 chances to send him packing, and refused in each instance. That's absolutely incredible for a situation - the tax avoidance/evasion - that would hit most anyone with significant penalties and possibly jail."

THIS.

Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:04:47am

re: #82 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dragonlance campaign. We had a minotaur gladiator charge a green dragon, deliver 86 points of damage in a single hit and it was still up. It was me, then the dragon. So the noble bard swings his sword, barely hits and scratches the dragon for 1 points. The dragon fell over dead. It only had 87 hit points and it passed its system shock roll for massive damage.

Of course, history recorded the tail as the noble bard defeating the dragon with his faithful, but somewhat dim, minotaur companion, because hey, are you going to belief the talking cow or the charming half elf with a ring of human influence and a skill specialization in story telling?

Love it!

Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:05:17am

re: #83 Gus 802

GOP, meet (part of) the new base: 911 was an inside job!!11ty

//

I really want to rip the soul patch off of the little bitch who made "Loose Change".

Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:05:28am

re: #85 Killgore Trout

This new cooperation between Drudge and Alex Jones has reached a whole new level over the past few weeks. Drudge has been headlining everything Alex Jones has been throwing out no matter how worthless or obscure. Some internet radio show nobody has ever heard of before makes an unsubstantiated claim and it's national news? Google the radio show. They don't even have a webpage. This is just insanity.

This would be the 3rd one for Drudge. They're on a roll with this rage against the Republican created TSA.

albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:06:32am

re: #87 Ericus58

"Yet, at the same time, his constituents had no problem reelecting him. That's perhaps the bigger story here. They reelected him in 2008, after the allegations came to light, they reelected him in 2010 in the primary and then general election. Voters had 4 chances to send him packing, and refused in each instance. That's absolutely incredible for a situation - the tax avoidance/evasion - that would hit most anyone with significant penalties and possibly jail."

THIS.

obviously dems support and even encourage illegal activity in govt...it just comes natural

What, me worry? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:06:37am

re: #82 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think I love you.

wrenchwench Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:07:57am

Live MOH ceremony.

researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:08:34am

re: #81 Gus 802

Uh oh.

Ring guilty on five counts in Abramoff bribery case
By Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 16, 2010

The never ending story.

Four More Tears Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:09:07am

re: #90 Gus 802

This would be the 3rd one for Drudge. They're on a roll with this rage against the Republican created TSA.

*leans back and puffs on his pipe*
I remember the ole days, when if a man spoke aloud, and thought that the security stuff was getting a little out o' hand, he was told that we needed to take this terrorism thing seriously. That my way would put us all in perilous danger.

Funny how times change. In, like, less than a decade.

Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:09:21am

re: #88 PT Barnum

Love it!

Other highlights of the campaign, foiling a Draconian ambush thru the use of the ventriloquism spell.

Using cantrip to make the Kender think he had a spirit guide.

After defeating a second dragon, the party recuperating, not realizing for a good 30 minutes that the bard had beaten feet back to the dragon's horse to call dibs.

Jadespring Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:09:55am

re: #82 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

:D LOL
I'd love to get into playing again. So much fun. I don't know anyone around here who does though.

DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:09:59am

re: #90 Gus 802

This would be the 3rd one for Drudge. They're on a roll with this rage against the Republican created TSA.

It's an excuse to run fuzzy breast and penis pictures.

The outrage over the pat downs is limited (as revealed by recent polling).

Shortly after 9/11 I flew from Atlanta to Colorado Springs and back. On the way home a young handsome security agent was patting down anyone who caused the metal detector to go off. I was asked to take off my shoes and belt and submit to a pat down. I cooperated while an older woman behind me in line watched. When she got to the security gate she chimed in a sing song voice. "Oh goodie its my turn!" The handsome young security guard blushed brightly.

Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:10:17am

re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar

I really want to rip the soul patch off of the little bitch who made "Loose Change".

Dylan Avery? Alex Jones was the executive producer for Loose Change. Right now Drudge is linking to an article by Paul Joseph Watson (in addition to Jones). Regarding Watson:

In 2001, Watson and Jones launched their newest project, the International Conspiracy, a virtual band meant to rival the highly popular Gorillaz. Their debut album, "International Conspiracy (album)|International Conspiracy" failed to rival the Gorillaz own self-titled debut album, however. In light of this, Watson began work on a film to promote the band, entitled the Global Conspiracy Tour, starring himself and Alex Jones going on a road trip with David Icke, to see the International Conspiracy on tour.

Re David Icke:

Icke, David. Added 9/30/01. In an essay on his Web site titled "Alice in Wonderland and the WTC disaster," conspiracy theorist and anti-Semite David Icke writes, "If you are looking for the force behind the U.S. atrocities, just ask: who benefits?" According to Icke, the September 11 attacks were the doing of the Illuminati, "the force that seeks to control this world and introduce its global fascist state." Although the world was moving towards global centralized fascism, Icke writes, it was not moving fast enough to suit the elites, who saw opposition to their globalization plans growing. As a result, they planned something of "enormous magnitude" that would "so devastate the collective human mind" that "solutions" could be offered that "would advance the agenda in a colossal leap almost overnight." According to Icke, Osama Bin Laden, though "deeply misguided," is no more responsible for the attacks than Icke was. He was the equivalent of Lee Harvey Oswald, a convenient villain upon which the crime could be blamed.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:10:37am

re: #5 Dreggas

OT but great one-two punch from Maddow/Stewart to McCain

This was brilliant! You should make a page about it.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:11:11am

re: #95 JasonA

*leans back and puffs on his pipe*
I remember the ole days, when if a man spoke aloud, and thought that the security stuff was getting a little out o' hand, he was told that we needed to take this terrorism thing seriously. That my way would put us all in perilous danger.

Funny how times change. In, like, less than a decade.

To be fair, I think Alex Jones has always been foaming about the same things, it's just that right-aligned wingnuts didn't used to take him seriously.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:12:21am

re: #100 LudwigVanQuixote

feel free to throw one up, am at work and a bit busy

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wrenchwench Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:12:30am

re: #93 wrenchwench

Live MOH ceremony.

President Obama awards Staff Sergeant Salvatore Giunta, U.S. Army, the Medal of Honor

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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:12:37am

re: #99 Gus 802

I hate all of them and could prolly kick all their asses. But then, I'm in a bad mood.:)

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Political Atheist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:12:38am

re: #70 DaddyG

And some old patterns remain.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

How the heck do you ignore 2 of the the biggest contributors to the deficit and call it a deficit reduction plan?

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Jadespring Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:13:00am

re: #100 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey hey.

I got Mass Effect 2 on Saturday. After the discussion last week I couldn't turn it down when I found the collectors edition at a store for thirty bucks. Then I couldn't stop playing it until I finished last night. :)

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cliffster Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:13:04am

Quantitative Easing Explained

Youtube Video

The Fed is run by the Ben Bernanke

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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:13:16am

re: #104 Cannadian Club Akbar

I hate all of them and could prolly kick all their asses. But then, I'm in a bad mood.:)

Yeah. I can't stand all of those truthers. Damn freaks.

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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:13:39am

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

To be fair, I think Alex Jones has always been foaming about the same things, it's just that right-aligned wingnuts didn't used to take him seriously.

Oh I'm not criticizing Jones. He's been the same nutcase he's always been. It's the people who've decided to change their minds on this particular issue that seem ridiculous to me. (Looking at you, Drudgeypoo.)

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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:14:25am

re: #90 Gus 802

This would be the 3rd one for Drudge. They're on a roll with this rage against the Republican created TSA.

I also think this whole thing ties in with Fox making the editorial decision to start advocating for 9-11 truth on their weekend shows over the past month or so.

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:14:35am

re: #97 Jadespring

:D LOL
I'd love to get into playing again. So much fun. I don't know anyone around here who does though.

Drop me a line...I'm very serious about starting a virtual P&P group. The nice thing is there are some very good virtual gametable tools that make it a lot easier than it used to be.

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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:14:47am

re: #109 JasonA

Oh I'm not criticizing Jones. He's been the same nutcase he's always been. It's the people who've decided to change their minds on this particular issue that seem ridiculous to me. (Looking at you, Drudgeypoo.)

And Breitbart. Doesn't Breitbart still have a hand in Drudge. (Pun intended)

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Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:15:11am

re: #107 cliffster

Quantitative Easing Explained

[Video]

The Fed is run by the Ben Bernanke

I expect a Dragonball Z style show down between Ben and Ron in the near future.

We are currently in the middle of a 10 episode power up while they talk shit back and forth to one another.

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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:15:41am

re: #110 Killgore Trout

I also think this whole thing ties in with Fox making the editorial decision to start advocating for 9-11 truth on their weekend shows over the past month or so.

Really?

I mean really?

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Jadespring Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:16:07am

re: #109 JasonA

I know a couple of whacked out lefties who are always citing Jones et al. One of the silver linings with wingnuts hyping Jones is I get to bug them now about being allies with the righties. They HATE that.

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Jadespring Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:16:46am

re: #111 PT Barnum

Drop me a line...I'm very serious about starting a virtual P&P group. The nice thing is there are some very good virtual gametable tools that make it a lot easier than it used to be.

I'd love that if it was possible!

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:16:54am

re: #110 Killgore Trout

I also think this whole thing ties in with Fox making the editorial decision to start advocating for 9-11 truth on their weekend shows over the past month or so.

OK, what do THEY think the troof is? The troofers I'm aware of blame the government. Are they really ready to throw poor ol' George W. Bush THAT far under the proverbial bus?

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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:17:16am

re: #115 Jadespring

I know a couple of whacked out lefties who are always citing Jones et al. One of the silver linings with wingnuts hyping Jones is I get to bug them now about being allies with the righties. They HATE that.

My BIL is a Jones freak. I hate that fact.

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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:17:18am

re: #61 Dreggas

Bachmann: It's not an earmark if it's for my district

These earmark wars are going to be fun.

I'll bring the Jiffy-pop.

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recusancy Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:17:34am

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, what do THEY think the troof is? The troofers I'm aware of blame the government. Are they really ready to throw poor ol' George W. Bush THAT far under the proverbial bus?

George who?

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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:17:52am

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, what do THEY think the troof is? The troofers I'm aware of blame the government. Are they really ready to throw poor ol' George W. Bush THAT far under the proverbial bus?

After what he did to McConnell...

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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:18:12am

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, what do THEY think the troof is? The troofers I'm aware of blame the government. Are they really ready to throw poor ol' George W. Bush THAT far under the proverbial bus?

Inside job. Rule the Middle East. War Machine. Blah...

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Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:18:51am

re: #61 Dreggas

Bachmann: It's not an earmark if it's for my district

Has she given back the money the con artist gave her yet?

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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:18:59am

re: #121 JasonA

After what he did to McConnell...

Or what McConnell tried to do with Bush? The troop draw down to get GOP votes in 2006?

Gets confusing.

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What, me worry? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:19:00am

re: #111 PT Barnum

Drop me a line...I'm very serious about starting a virtual P&P group. The nice thing is there are some very good virtual gametable tools that make it a lot easier than it used to be.

I haven't forgotten you PT. I'm just not into MMOs these days, but if I change my mind, you'll be the first to know :)

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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:19:07am

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My kids found my old stash of D&D books, they're trying to drag me back in.

You know you want to. Pathfinder is an excellent version that's in print too... ;)

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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:19:14am

re: #114 JasonA

Really

9-11 Trutherism Comes to Fox News

Fox News Continues to Promote 9-11 Truth

Fox News hires another friend of 9-11 Conspiracy Lunatic Alex Jones

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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:20:10am

re: #20 Dreggas

If D&D Online had been set in FR instead of the the setting they did choose, I probably would be playing it.

I'd love it if it were even Greyhawk. But Eberon is just meh.

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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:20:17am

re: #127 Killgore Trout

Really

9-11 Trutherism Comes to Fox News

Fox News Continues to Promote 9-11 Truth

Fox News hires another friend of 9-11 Conspiracy Lunatic Alex Jones

That's not Fox News! That's Geraldo!!11ty

No true Scotsman...

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Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:20:17am

re: #126 wlewisiii

You know you want to. Pathfinder is an excellent version that's in print too... ;)

I've actually got the entire run of 2d edition books on CD.

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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:21:00am

re: #124 Gus 802

Or what McConnell tried to do with Bush? The troop draw down to get GOP votes in 2006?

Gets confusing.

Well yeah, there is that way of looking at it too. Still surprised Bush put that in the book though.

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:21:02am

re: #116 Jadespring

I'd love that if it was possible!

Very much so...I'm looking at Fantasy Grounds and a ventrillo server.

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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:21:28am

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, what do THEY think the troof is? The troofers I'm aware of blame the government. Are they really ready to throw poor ol' George W. Bush THAT far under the proverbial bus?

Yes, although I suspect they'll work George Soros into the plot. Alex Jones can still blame the Jews and Fox viewers can blame the Jewish Puppet Master as exposed by Beck last week. Everybody will be happy with that middle ground.

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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:22:00am

re: #131 JasonA

Well yeah, there is that way of looking at it too. Still surprised Bush put that in the book though.

McConnell's a weasel.

Sorry weasels.

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:22:10am

re: #125 marjoriemoon

I haven't forgotten you PT. I'm just not into MMOs these days, but if I change my mind, you'll be the first to know :)

I'm actually working on a more live person to person virtual paper and pencil game. Much more fun and a lot more interactive in the long run.

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:22:37am

For many Texans, it's permanently 1983.

Plano ISD has scrapped plans to remove a humanities textbook after a couple complained about photos of ancient nude sculptures and other works of art.

The couple noted 49 images they consider objectionable in a PowerPoint presentation they sent to the district. Many were of Greek and Roman sculptures depicting frontal male nudity. Among the more modern images they cite are photographs of Michelangelo's David and The Kiss by Auguste Rodin, along with reproductions of paintings including The Birth of Venus by Sandro Botticelli, The Rape of the Daughters of Leucippus by Peter Paul Rubens, The Third of May 1808 , by Francisco Goya, The Picnic by Edouard Manet, and The Swimming Hole by Thomas Eakins.
Rozann Marquis and her husband, Jeremy, said they have decided to initiate that review.

"It's my kid's welfare. I'll do whatever I need to do," Jeremy Marquis said.

The couple, whose 14-year-old daughter takes the class, say the college-level textbook reveals the darkest of artistic expressions.

Good going, genius. You're kid's studying college-level material at age 14, and rather than being overjoyed, you're terrified that she's going to see a marble dong or an 18th century painting of of boobies. Also, imagine being 14, and your hysterical parents have a conniption that makes national news. As if that weren't enough, you had the unmitigated audacity to make a frickin PowerPoint presentation, which by itself should be grounds for a restraining order.

Abby Krach said she considers herself "a pretty innocent 15-year-old." But the humanities student at Jasper High School said the book amounts to a paper tour through an art museum.

"It would be ridiculous for us to learn about Greek art without ever looking at some of its most famous and significant statues," she said. "It's just as ridiculous as removing everybody's book because of one parent complaint."

Her book sat open Monday night as she prepared for the next day's test.

"All they are is nude men, standing," she said.

... which demonstrates in part why she's in a G&T class.

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Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:22:57am

My happiest D&D moment;

"OK Kragar, I'll let you play a Lawful Evil character and we'll see how it goes."

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Nervous Norvous Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:23:13am

re: #137 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My happiest D&D moment;

"OK Kragar, I'll let you play a Lawful Evil character and we'll see how it goes."

LOL

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cliffster Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:23:27am

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I expect a Dragonball Z style show down between Ben and Ron in the near future.

We are currently in the middle of a 10 episode power up while they talk shit back and forth to one another.

The whining will burst eardrums the world over

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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:23:50am

re: #136 negativ

Is this now a boob thread instead of a geek thread?
///

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Jadespring Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:24:29am

re: #132 PT Barnum

Just dropped you a line. :)

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Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:26:31am

re: #138 PT Barnum

LOL

The best part? My chief ally in most party disputes was the Paladin, because we were both lawful, he could not make a sense motive test to save his life (ironically, if he made it, it likely would have ended his life soon after) and if he did use sense evil, there was always something much worse than me around.

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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:27:07am

My favorite D&D moment: I was playing a mad (crazy) mage who had been impressed into service. The captain paid us for a job with pouches full of, like, a hundred copper pieces maybe. Mage not happy. Mage makes his up to a rooftop in the city's poor quarter, casts Fool's Gold on the copper pieces and starts tossing them to the masses starting a riot :D

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What, me worry? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:27:09am

re: #135 PT Barnum

I'm actually working on a more live person to person virtual paper and pencil game. Much more fun and a lot more interactive in the long run.

Really? I have this ball and cup thing I can share with you if you want.

:p Sorry I couldn't help myself.

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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:28:43am

re: #133 Killgore Trout

Yes, although I suspect they'll work George Soros into the plot. Alex Jones can still blame the Jews and Fox viewers can blame the Jewish Puppet Master as exposed by Beck last week. Everybody will be happy with that middle ground.

Looks like they're still confused about the Alex Jones connection at, surprise, Hot Air:

Glenn Beck, Joseph Farah, Michelle Bachmann, and . . . Alex Jones?

Of course written by the wingnut master of denial, Robert Stacy McCain.

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What, me worry? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:29:49am

re: #136 negativ

I was just reading about this at lunch time.

"Darkest of artistic expressions". Wow. I'm guessing these folks are not a lot of fun in the boudoir.

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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:30:18am

re: #145 Gus 802

I have a $10,000 bounty on Farah's mustache.

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DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:30:28am

re: #146 marjoriemoon

I was just reading about this at lunch time.

"Darkest of artistic expressions". Wow. I'm guessing these folks are not a lot of fun in the boudoir.

Its hard to tell with the lights off and everyones eyes closed you know. /

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DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:31:51am

re: #93 wrenchwench

Live MOH ceremony.

That was very very cool. Thank you for linking.

My son is in the process of signing up this week. Getting his first taste of government paperwork. Heh.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:31:57am

My favorite D&D character is my namesake. He was a Drow Necromancer/Death Priest in the Ravenloft setting, oh and he was NE. Needless to say he had to make a lot of dark curse/gift checks. When I stopped playing him he was a paranoid schizophrenic with god like intelligence (thanks Contraption) and had to drink blood every day. His skin was scaly but he had vampiric charisma (the powers checks) and was a LOT of fun. The other player who played his companion was a CE dwarven fighter who happened to be a were-badger....loads of fun.

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:32:13am

re: #99 Gus 802

David Icke and the Reptillian Agenda

Youtube Video

The New World Order is made up of blood-drinking lizard people.

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Jadespring Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:33:11am

re: #146 marjoriemoon

I was just reading about this at lunch time.

"Darkest of artistic expressions". Wow. I'm guessing these folks are not a lot of fun in the boudoir.

There was a girl in one of my art history classes in Uni who got upset at all of the 'pornography' and eventually dropped the class because of it. I don't think she lasted that long in the school either.

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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:33:22am

re: #151 negativ

David Icke and the Reptillian Agenda

Youtube Video

The New World Order is made up of blood-drinking lizard people.

George Norrie? Is that you?
//I love Coast to Coast

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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:34:28am

re: #145 Gus 802

Looks like they're still confused about the Alex Jones connection at, surprise, Hot Air:

Glenn Beck, Joseph Farah, Michelle Bachmann, and . . . Alex Jones?

Of course written by the wingnut master of denial, Robert Stacy McCain.

It's amazing to watch Hot Air, Instapudit, Pajamas Media, Fox, all the wingnuts and even the Republican party all simultaneously dancing to Alex Jones' tune. None of them are even questining this stuff. There was some brief fake outrage over Geraldo embracing 9-11 truth this weekend but it was all quickly forgotten as they all expressed outrageous antigovernment outgrage from the New Alex Jones videos. They are all sucked in.

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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:35:14am

re: #154 Killgore Trout

I think it depends on who exactly is doing the embracing.

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Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:35:38am

And then we had the Star Wars RPG from West End Games.

"No, for the last time, your code names cannot be Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie and Obiwan"

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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:36:41am

I see Drudge found a new link to the old video about the little girl and the TSA.

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Nick Schroeder Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:36:52am

I guess I'm one jaded sonofabitch, but I would be surprised if there was a single member of Congress that you couldn't find guilty of some kind of ethical violation. Maybe a handful in the House, but 'creative ethics' seems like a prerequisite for the Senate.

I know this is kind of Alex Jones-y of me, but I always feel like these are show trials set up as punishment for stepping out of line, and that's why it seems like, unless you get busted being a gay Republican, 9 times out of 10 you keep your job and maybe lose your seat on some committee.

Not trying to excuse whatever Rangel did (I honestly haven't read the details), or playing the 'both sides are the same' card, just opining on how I always perceive these ethics hearings.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:37:26am

Student kicked out of High School for being gay in Oklahoma.

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avanti Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:37:26am

re: #149 DaddyG

That was very very cool. Thank you for linking.

My son is in the process of signing up this week. Getting his first taste of government paperwork. Heh.

I loved the off script comment about the solider, "I really like this guy" He is very humble and soft spoken medal of honor winner.

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sliv_the_eli Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:37:34am

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

Which is why Gary Hart and Jim McGreevey, nor John McCain, were the real mavericks.

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wrenchwench Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:38:43am

re: #149 DaddyG

That was very very cool. Thank you for linking.

My son is in the process of signing up this week. Getting his first taste of government paperwork. Heh.

I liked seeing the previous honorees in the audience. That's quite an exclusive club he's joining. Mr. w told me about an honoree he served with in the Navy. That guy didn't have to do anything he didn't want to do. The others would have waited on him hand and foot, if he wanted.

Best wishes to your son. Sets the bar for the younger siblings.

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sliv_the_eli Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:39:02am

re: #76 DaddyG

No extra charge for happy ending. /

This is why security should never be left to the airlines. They would charge for the happy ending.

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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:39:18am

re: #159 Dreggas

Student kicked out of High School for being gay in Oklahoma.

It gets worse.

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Big Steve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:39:52am

re: #136 negativ
I was about 14 when Mother of Big Steve (who was an artist) took me to the Cleveland Art Musuem. I remember being stunned out of my boredom by a large painting by Jacque Louie David called Cupid and Pysche Cupid. In the painting the teenage looking Pysche is laying in post coital bliss upon a couch while the equally teenage Cupid is rolling off the couch with THE MOST shit eating "I just got laid" look ever recorded in history. That was my epiphanous moment when art appreciation became a passion.

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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:40:02am

re: #154 Killgore Trout

It's amazing to watch Hot Air, Instapudit, Pajamas Media, Fox, all the wingnuts and even the Republican party all simultaneously dancing to Alex Jones' tune. None of them are even questining this stuff. There was some brief fake outrage over Geraldo embracing 9-11 truth this weekend but it was all quickly forgotten as they all expressed outrageous antigovernment outgrage from the New Alex Jones videos. They are all sucked in.

Yep. Ideology by consensus or blog decree. Drudge of course sets the tone. Typically, Fox News follow Drudge. The lower rung right wing blogs will follow both. Whatever news is promoted by drudge become the general consensus or meme of the day which sometimes morphs into urban legends. Human beings are social animals so the need to fit in requires those within the right wing blogging group to adhere to that consensus through peer pressure. Therefore, in the case of the current TSA hysteria, if you want to call yourself "a true right wing" person as defined by these groups you have to be against the TSA; AIT scans; pat downs searches; and believes everything that Alex Jones tells you by way of the blog king maker, Drudge Report.

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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:40:27am

re: #159 Dreggas

Student kicked out of High School for being gay in Oklahoma.

a bit misleading, don't you think?....the issue is residency

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lostlakehiker Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:40:50am

re: #136 negativ

For many Texans, it's permanently 1983.

Plano ISD has scrapped plans to remove a humanities textbook after a couple complained about photos of ancient nude sculptures and other works of art.

Good going, genius. You're kid's studying college-level material at age 14, and rather than being overjoyed, you're terrified that she's going to see a marble dong or an 18th century painting of of boobies. Also, imagine being 14, and your hysterical parents have a conniption that makes national news. As if that weren't enough, you had the unmitigated audacity to make a frickin PowerPoint presentation, which by itself should be grounds for a restraining order.

... which demonstrates in part why she's in a G&T class.

What's the worst that could happen? Teen sexuality finds a focus in that art. Oh, horrors. Billy finds Venus desirable, Sarah-Jane finds David desirable. The usual teen results follow, but honestly, Billy and Sarah-Jane could've imprinted on worse.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:40:59am

re: #167 albusteve

Uh-huh.

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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:41:28am

re: #159 Dreggas

The story looks like there's more to it than just the gay part. There's discipline problems and the like.

More research needed.

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DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:41:55am

re: #162 wrenchwench Thanks - he's going in a couple of years older since he served a 2 year mission - but he's excited, level headed about it and ready to work in order to serve and in return gain access to college funds and leadership opportunitites. He's aiming for officer eventually.

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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:41:59am

re: #167 albusteve

a bit misleading, don't you think?...the issue is residency

Gee, I thought an 18 year old could live wherever they damn well pleased.

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lawhawk Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:42:55am

re: #156 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can I be Mr. White? Because I hate Mr. Pink?

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Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:43:27am

re: #157 Killgore Trout

I see Drudge found a new link to the old video about the little girl and the TSA.

Wow, the top screaming headline at Drudge is actually a link to Alex Jones. Outstanding. Drudge has gone all the way crazy now.

I wonder if Andrew Breitbart is still posting articles at Drudge Report, or if this is all coming from Matt.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:44:05am

re: #172 JasonA

Gee, I thought an 18 year old could live wherever they damn well pleased.

But not necessarily go to school in whatever district they damn well please. If the girlfriend is in a different district, they may well have a case.

Despite the hurtful crap they are alleged to have said to the kid.

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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:44:38am

re: #173 lawhawk

Can I be Mr. White? Because I hate Mr. Pink?

/

Everyone wants to be Mr. Black...

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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:44:43am

re: #172 JasonA

But they can't live wherever they want and go to school wherever they want.

Seriously, I am 100% gay rights, but this story may not hinge on the orientation of the teens at all.

Gay teenagers are completely capable of being kicked out for legitimate reasons too.

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Big Steve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:45:24am

re: #174 Charles

Wow, the top screaming headline at Drudge is actually a link to Alex Jones. Outstanding. Drudge has gone all the way crazy now.

I wonder if Andrew Breitbart is still posting articles at Drudge Report, or if this is all coming from Matt.

I suspect that Drudge is not really all that conservative but he is totally about website hits.

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sliv_the_eli Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:45:49am

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, what do THEY think the troof is? The troofers I'm aware of blame the government. Are they really ready to throw poor ol' George W. Bush THAT far under the proverbial bus?

GWB, Masons, Elders of Zion, The Bedrock Buffalo Lodge #43, etc, etc. Makes no difference to them, because truf is more important than truth.

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lostlakehiker Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:45:53am

re: #69 Cannadian Club Akbar

At least the Republicans get something out of it!!
///

Tax free money is also "something".

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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:46:05am

re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist

But not necessarily go to school in whatever district they damn well please. If the girlfriend is in a different district, they may well have a case.

Despite the hurtful crap they are alleged to have said to the kid.

Okay, but neither the diary nor the linked article made me think that was the case.

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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:47:37am

re: #172 JasonA

Gee, I thought an 18 year old could live wherever they damn well pleased.

wrong...there are contingencies

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:47:39am

re: #181 JasonA

Okay, but neither the diary nor the linked article made me think that was the case.

Not reading that closely--may well be they DON'T have a case. Sorry, grading frantically. I have a foot of grading, and the kids are starting to whine.

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DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:48:10am

re: #172 JasonA

Gee, I thought an 18 year old could live wherever they damn well pleased.

It may be the school cannot let them enroll if they are not residing in the boundaries the school serves. We had an issue trying to grandfather our kids into their school with a cross town move. We loved the school and wanted them to finish 6th grade before moving them to the new Jr. High but the district said no way.

There is an issue here that resides with the family and their daughter. Why did she feel compelled to live with the girlfriend and not the family. Was she kicked out? Or was she just rebelling for reasons other than sexuality?

If the live in arrangment was because of a family rift then the school could have been in deep trouble admitting her outside of the boundary.

There just isn't enough info. here to know.

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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:48:28am

re: #174 Charles

Wow, the top screaming headline at Drudge is actually a link to Alex Jones. Outstanding. Drudge has gone all the way crazy now.

I wonder if Andrew Breitbart is still posting articles at Drudge Report, or if this is all coming from Matt.

I don't know but the level of coordination between Drudge and Alex Jones is amazing. That big Headline on Drudge was posted within 10-15 minutes after Alex Jones posted it on infowars.

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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:48:30am

FEC Report:

DRUDGE, MATT
MIAMI BEACH, FL 33141

RNC REPUBLICAN NATIONAL STATE ELECTIONS COMMITTEE
01/31/2001 2358.00 21990043180

Total Soft Money: 2358.00

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RadicalModerate Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:51:24am

re: #136 negativ

For many Texans, it's permanently 1983.

Plano ISD has scrapped plans to remove a humanities textbook after a couple complained about photos of ancient nude sculptures and other works of art.

Good going, genius. You're kid's studying college-level material at age 14, and rather than being overjoyed, you're terrified that she's going to see a marble dong or an 18th century painting of of boobies. Also, imagine being 14, and your hysterical parents have a conniption that makes national news. As if that weren't enough, you had the unmitigated audacity to make a frickin PowerPoint presentation, which by itself should be grounds for a restraining order.

... which demonstrates in part why she's in a G&T class.

From reading this story, it smells like something the Liberty Institute would be behind.

For those of you who didn't see the story last week, they're the Plano, TX-based James Dobson/Focus on the Family legal arm who spend their time doing things like defending exorcisms in school workplaces.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

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Nick Schroeder Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:51:36am

re: #174 Charles

Wow, the top screaming headline at Drudge is...

This description of the Drudge frontpage should only be used when the Obamunist Nazi usurper regime does something egregious enough to warrant siren.gif. :P

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sliv_the_eli Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:51:38am

re: #171 DaddyG

Thanks - he's going in a couple of years older since he served a 2 year mission - but he's excited, level headed about it and ready to work in order to serve and in return gain access to college funds and leadership opportunitites. He's aiming for officer eventually.

If I may be so bold, please pass along the thanks in advance of the entire LGF community for your son's service and our wishes that he serve and return safely from wherever he is posted.

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engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:52:46am

i refuse to click on drudge and up his hit count

my project to ignore the rest of winguttia isn't going as well, tho...

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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:52:56am

re: #184 DaddyG

I'l gladly eat my hat if it's a case of her living outside of the school's boundaries, but that wasn't mentioned in the article or in the clip that aired on the news. And since she's 18 I don't understand how her family enters into the equation. *shrug*

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wrenchwench Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:54:39am

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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:54:49am

re: #185 Killgore Trout

I don't know but the level of coordination between Drudge and Alex Jones is amazing. That big Headline on Drudge was posted within 10-15 minutes after Alex Jones posted it on infowars.

wow, it's a conspiracy how ironic.
I will read Drudge, but even I won't read Jones.

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lawhawk Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:55:38am

re: #190 engineer dog

popurls.com or news.google.com are some of the better aggregators, and I'm sure there are a bunch others (but I don't want to give away all my tips and tricks).

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DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:55:53am

re: #189 sliv_the_eli

If I may be so bold, please pass along the thanks in advance of the entire LGF community for your son's service and our wishes that he serve and return safely from wherever he is posted.

Thank you. I will let him know. I am happy to see him choose the service. Uncle (my brother) is USAF and Grandpa was US Army.

Its kind of hard to se him go away right after his return from the mission but I am excited about his future. We all feel that his service will be more than well compensated for by the opportunities the military provide. He is also realistic about the risk and work that is involved.

I will be bursting my buttons when I see him in his dress uniform for the first time. Grandpa sent him an OCS patch from his training days and told him to hang on to it when he felt stressed as evidence that others succeeded before him and that he will too.

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DaddyG Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:57:44am

re: #191 JasonA

I'l gladly eat my hat if it's a case of her living outside of the school's boundaries, but that wasn't mentioned in the article or in the clip that aired on the news. And since she's 18 I don't understand how her family enters into the equation. *shrug*

Something definately stinks. I don't know of any situation (short of drugs or violence) where I'd encourage my child to live outside our home if they were still in school. College included if they were attending in town.

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sliv_the_eli Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:58:38am

re: #195 DaddyG

Thank you. I will let him know. I am happy to see him choose the service. Uncle (my brother) is USAF and Grandpa was US Army.

Its kind of hard to se him go away right after his return from the mission but I am excited about his future. We all feel that his service will be more than well compensated for by the opportunities the military provide. He is also realistic about the risk and work that is involved.

I will be bursting my buttons when I see him in his dress uniform for the first time. Grandpa sent him an OCS patch from his training days and told him to hang on to it when he felt stressed as evidence that others succeeded before him and that he will too.

As they say in Brooklyn, may you shep much nachas.

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theheat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:58:58am

re: #136 negativ

High art: cowshit on baked clay ground. Add rainbows. Stir.

I was a student of art history, which - surprise - parallels real history. But the fundies want none of that, of course. And while they have no problems with aborted fetus photos and bloody Jesus and tales of virgins, and live in the make believe world of abstinence, a nude classic is cause to clutch their pearls.

It offends me greatly. The fact they are hell-bent on denying history, or anything considered beautiful, offends me.

PS - And a couple of my best friends, both male and female, were nude models (myself included). There's nothing freaky about it except the freaks that thrive on freaking the fuck out. And they can stand in line to kiss my bare bum.

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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 16, 2010 12:00:06pm

It's obvious that this full body scanner thing is really important to the American people.

Oh, wait...

Poll: 4 in 5 Support Full-Body Airport Scanners

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What, me worry? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 12:09:31pm

re: #196 DaddyG

Something definately stinks. I don't know of any situation (short of drugs or violence) where I'd encourage my child to live outside our home if they were still in school. College included if they were attending in town.

DOWN WITH POORLY WRITTEN ARTICLES. And Yes, I have to scream that. Drives me batty.

In that very short article it says two things. First:

Two female high school students in Oklahoma are firing back at their school for refusing to let them graduate after discovering the two are a couple.

Then it says:

School administrators defended their stance, saying neither of the former students filed complaints,...

So which is it?

Then, just to make you really crazy, they lead you to believe the principal said this, which clearly, s/he did no such thing.

"The principal will say, Well, you're gay." ...

Not DID say, but WILL say. She's making something up here.

So if it's an issue of living within the school boundary, which it could very well be, we don't know.

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_RememberTonyC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:01:36pm

this is a big yawner to me. he was guilty as hell, thus the histrionics by Charlie. but please spare me the "dems policing their own" bullshit. if they really did that, this exercise in justice could have taken place BEFORE the election just 14 days ago. the Dems could have done that and still come out OK because Rangel would have won reelection even after being found guilty. By delaying the proceedings, the Dems showed they were just as craven as the GOP.

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Lidane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:39:06pm

re: #61 Dreggas

Bachmann: It's not an earmark if it's for my district

Typical NIMBY posturing. The only people who get earmarks are the other greedy assholes bringing money into their districts to win re-election. She is somehow immune.

It's like the people who say that Congress is corrupt except for the 20+ year veteran bringing in millions of dollars a year.

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Lidane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:41:13pm

Also, re: Charlie Rangel -- I'm not surprised he's guilty. He should have been bounced out on his ass years ago. Failing that, when these charges surfaced, he should have resigned with the excuse of spending time with his family and maintained some dignity.

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Tinian Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:52:09pm

It's not like he lied to America in order to start an illegal war for oil.

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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:39:24am

re: #204 Tinian

Magical Balance Fairy Sleeper!

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