Stephen Colbert and Jeffrey Goldberg on Full Body Scanners
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Stephen Colbert had a funny, pointed bit last night about the TSA’s full body scanners, featuring Atlantic correspondent Jeffrey Goldberg.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:53:15pm |
Joking aside, pilots and flight attendants get quite enough exposure to low-level radiation in their daily employment without adding more via the full-body scans several times a day. Since pilots have complete control of the aircraft at all times, there's no possible justification for subjecting them to these ridiculous body searches.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:54:44pm |
re: #1 tradewind
Be reassured-- the amount of radiation from the body scans is absolutely minute, incredibly tiny. So don't worry about that aspect.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:56:09pm |
I have to agree with Goldberg on this.
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recusancy Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:58:25pm |
re: #3 Dreggas
I have to agree with Goldberg on this.
Yup. Freedom is dangerous. Too bad it takes a Democrat to be in office for real murkins to start caring about civil liberties.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:58:27pm |
fuck the scanners. over priced toys produced by the well connected. i would prefer dogs at a huge savings to the taxpayer & much more reliable.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:59:01pm |
re: #2 Obdicut
So is a dental xray. So is a flight across country. But it's the cumulative exposure that counts, as well as the rads per exposure.
I'm sure I absorbed enough low-level on trans continental flights for years to equal lots of xrays, and I don't think crews should have to pass through them routinely.
As for the pilots, seriously: As Capt Sully says, ' They're in the cockpit at the controls...what's the point '?
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recusancy Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:00:01pm |
OT: Good article on where our debt has come from. It seems pretty one sided to me.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:01:47pm |
re: #6 tradewind
No, you're not understanding. it'd take a thousand exposures to equal a single x-ray. The amount of radiation they get from being that high in the atmosphere is much higher than they, or you, or anyone else, will get from the scanner.
There is no reason to be afraid of the radiation risk of the scanners. Don't believe me, believe The American College of Radiology, who say that there is no significant risk from them.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:02:11pm |
re: #4 recusancy
During the bush years, when this stuff was being passed, I used to ask righties to do a thought experiment when considering whether these were good ideas. The experiment came in the form of one simple question.
"Is this a power that you would want President Hillary to have?"
Of course that didn't change the outcome overall but it did make them think.
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Ojoe Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:05:26pm |
The purple dusk. Towercam, San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.
Maybe these body scanners will generate enough embarrassment to help with the obesity problem.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:05:49pm |
Welcome to pre 9-11 America. If they revoke the pat down and scanners I can guarantee another underwear bomber. Maybe this time they'll make the bomb correctly.
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elizajane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:07:32pm |
What I learned from watching this clip:
Guys are really, really nervous about letting other guys touch their bodies. Positively paranoiac. Terrified that some deeply repressed gayness will come out.
That must be why this little privacy hissy-fit is happening at the same time as the fuss about DADT. I get it now.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:08:11pm |
re: #8 Obdicut
I'm understanding the explanations , and I'm also not buying the reassurances. It's reminiscent of reading about the 1940'-50's physician endorsements of certain brands of cigarettes.... ' these are good for you'..... ' my patients prefer Luckies ' ,etc.
We could be witnessing another slow motion epidemic.
Regardless, harassing flight crews is futile and time-and-money wasting window dressing. Security theater, indeed.
This isn't done in Israel. Of course, they practice the eeeevvvil profiling, which is so much worse.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:08:35pm |
re: #6 tradewind
So is a dental xray. So is a flight across country. But it's the cumulative exposure that counts, as well as the rads per exposure.
I'm sure I absorbed enough low-level on trans continental flights for years to equal lots of xrays, and I don't think crews should have to pass through them routinely.
As for the pilots, seriously: As Capt Sully says, ' They're in the cockpit at the controls...what's the point '?
Then if you have taken trans continental flights, you certainly have seen security as rigid as our current security measures in this country, if not even stricter procedures.
These security measures are not an issue... people in most other countries have had to endure strict security policies for years.
Why do Americans get so fucking whiney about things like this? Would you prefer dropping out of the sky?
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:08:45pm |
re: #6 tradewind
So is a dental xray. So is a flight across country. But it's the cumulative exposure that counts, as well as the rads per exposure.
I'm sure I absorbed enough low-level on trans continental flights for years to equal lots of xrays, and I don't think crews should have to pass through them routinely.
As for the pilots, seriously: As Capt Sully says, ' They're in the cockpit at the controls...what's the point '?
Sully may have a point about the pilots and aircrew having to go through the AIT scanner however he's wrong about the radiation danger. Aircrews and passengers receive a does of about 0.238 mrem per hour on flights at altitude. While the dosage of an AIT machine is approximately 0.01. That means they are receiving 23.8 times the amount of radiation exposure during flight, per hour, versus the AIT scan. Pilots are aleady exceeding the limit of 0.5 mrem per year as established by the NRC. The amount that the AIT scanner would add is negligible.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:09:05pm |
re: #12 elizajane
How about ' paranoid that there are people employed here who really, really enjoy this shiite '?
Because that's the underlying insecurity for most people.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:10:06pm |
re: #12 elizajane
What I learned from watching this clip:
Guys are really, really nervous about letting other guys touch their bodies. Positively paranoiac. Terrified that some deeply repressed gayness will come out.
That must be why this little privacy hissy-fit is happening at the same time as the fuss about DADT. I get it now.
They're being children. I get patted down at club shows way more than I ever have getting on a plane
DON'T WORRY MR. MASCULINE TYPE A OUTRAGED BUZZCUT, YOU WON'T CATCH THE HOMO FROM A TSA WORKER
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:10:31pm |
re: #13 tradewind
Oh, just more rejection of science. Got it.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:11:53pm |
re: #18 WindUpBird
Yeah I've been patted down at clubs and even country fairs. As much as I do believe we are overdoing it on security, it's not like this is a new thing.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:11:59pm |
xkcd may have hit upon the solution to this.
You KNOW there have to be some backscatter fetishists out there. Rule 34, and all that.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:12:38pm |
re: #23 negativ
ROFLMAO.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:12:53pm |
re: #17 tradewind
How about ' paranoid that there are people employed here who really, really enjoy this shiite '?
Because that's the underlying insecurity for most people.
Man I am so glad I don't care if someone is enjoying watching my silhouette go through a backscatter X-ray device, they can save it for their scrapbook for all I care
If you want to worry about that, if you want that to take up your mental energy, have at it, I have far more important things to be concerned with, like whether I should get the gorgonzola bacon burger or the pulled pork next time I'm at my local pub
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:13:00pm |
Recall the terrorists who used their baby as a decoy in their attempt to blow up a plane. That is the level to which terrorists will go to attack us. That is not conjecture or speculation. That is the reality of the kind of people will do us harm if given even the slightest chance
If enhanced security is what we have to endure so that we might fly safely, understand the problem was not created by the TSA or this administration.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:13:08pm |
re: #14 Walter L. Newton
Then if you have taken trans continental flights, you certainly have seen security as rigid as our current security measures in this country, if not even stricter procedures.
These security measures are not an issue... people in most other countries have had to endure strict security policies for years.
Why do Americans get so fucking whiney about things like this? Would you prefer dropping out of the sky?
Look at how much Gas costs here against most places in Europe, isn't it like $6 in England?
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:13:22pm |
re: #19 albusteve
I'm not so much ambivalent, I see it as a sword of damocles.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:15:24pm |
re: #22 Dreggas
Yeah I've been patted down at clubs and even country fairs. As much as I do believe we are overdoing it on security, it's not like this is a new thing.
I think we're overdoing it which is why i'm WAY in favor of the new x-ray stsrems. Automates the process, makes it easier. Technology! Making our lives better!
But you know obvious republican concern because there's a guy from the other party in the white house, as obvious as an eclipse
re: #15 Ojoe
This is a particularly fragrant gem right here
THE REPUBLIC IS DOOMED, WEHHHH
Anyway, this is no way for a free people to live.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:15:31pm |
re: #14 Walter L. Newton
In some ways, although flight crews internationally are almost never subjected to the same security measures as passengers. We had different screening lines, and those are almost non-existent in the states.
I quit in 2002 because the kids were getting older and not as easy to leave for five days at a time, even with family, even twice a month, but I still fly frequently on a pass, and just anecdotally it seems as if crews are occasionally subject to even more rigorous screening than the general public.
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elizajane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:16:10pm |
re: #17 tradewind
How about ' paranoid that there are people employed here who really, really enjoy this shiite '?
Because that's the underlying insecurity for most people.
Oh come on. Only for guys.
I mean (TMI warning here) women have to have breast exams and gynecologist exams and PAP smears every single year and we've just realized that people don't go into these careers because it's FUN. It's routine and it's boring and anybody who's demented enough to imagine that the guard has been working this job for years just so he can touch THEIR amazingly wonderful nuts for two seconds through clothing, or ogle THEIR fuzzy silhouette on a scanner, is an egomaniac of the first order. A paranoid egomaniac.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:16:12pm |
re: #28 Dreggas
I'm not so much ambivalent, I see it as a sword of damocles.
it's all such trivial bullshit...I understand both sides well enough not to mock or name call people that are uncomfortable with it...privacy is a big deal
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:16:23pm |
re: #28 Dreggas
I'm not so much ambivalent, I see it as a sword of damocles.
You've been looking at copies of my x-ray scan again, haven't you. Ya know, I didn't get paid for that shit. I should sue.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:16:33pm |
I wonder if there's a way to have a tattoo show up on the backscatter radar
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:16:42pm |
re: #20 Obdicut
Actually, re the cigarettes, an example of how ' rejection of science ' was eventually exposed.
But nice talkin' to ya.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:17:14pm |
re: #35 tradewind
So you honestly think the American Society of Radiologists is lying? Or that they don't really understand radiation?
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:17:31pm |
re: #33 Slumbering Behemoth
I can seriously see a market for airport bodyscan porn.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:17:49pm |
re: #34 WindUpBird
I wonder if there's a way to have a tattoo show up on the backscatter radar
why would you wonder that?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:18:05pm |
IT'S AN EPIDEMIC
OF INCREDIBLY LOW POWERED X-RAYS
WHY I MIGHT GET CANCER IF I LIVE TO BE 700
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:18:45pm |
re: #34 WindUpBird
I wonder if there's a way to have a tattoo show up on the backscatter radar
Probably. Certain tattoo inks these days have metals in them for certain effects. Some people even get glow in the dark stuff implanted under their skin.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:18:47pm |
re: #37 Ojoe
It isn't.
Well, I'm sure when there's a Republican in the white house, it'll magically no longer be an issue to you :)
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:19:03pm |
re: #28 Dreggas
I'm not so much ambivalent, I see it as a sword of damocles.
The value of the sword is not that it fall, but rather, that it hangs.
*Snort*.
Keep in mind that neither the nudie x-ray nor the grope-a-thon would have stopped or even mildly inconvenienced the 9/11 hijackers.
The only thing that can stop terrorist attacks is intelligence, both in the cognitive sense, and in the information gathering sense. As usual, we're long on tech and short on intelligence, which is why we will eventually get hit again.
The most recent Yemeni plot was uncovered by intelligence, not by scanners or inspections.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:19:24pm |
Now I am starting to have second thoughts about this...
re: #31 elizajane
It's routine and it's boring and anybody who's demented enough to imagine that the guard has been working this job for years just so he can touch THEIR amazingly wonderful nuts for two seconds through clothing, or ogle THEIR fuzzy silhouette on a scanner, is an egomaniac of the first order.
... I mean, if their hearts are not really in it, why do I even bother putting on my best boxers?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:19:32pm |
re: #41 Killgore Trout
Probably. Certain tattoo inks these days have metals in them for certain effects. Some people even get glow in the dark stuff implanted under their skin.
I've seen that! I don't have the guts to do anything that weird, the only tattoos I really like are just simple designey black work.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:19:52pm |
re: #40 WindUpBird
IT'S AN EPIDEMIC
OF INCREDIBLY LOW POWERED X-RAYS
WHY I MIGHT GET CANCER IF I LIVE TO BE 700
Don't trust AMA and JAMA! They once endorsed Lucky Strike cigarettes! We're doomed I tells ya'!
/
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:19:52pm |
It is interesting to note the cognitive dissonance going on.
Notwithstanding the fact the scanner radiation is minute, there are those who would rather talk about that rather than the real threat of terrorism.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:19:56pm |
re: #26 researchok
Recall the terrorists who used their baby as a decoy in their attempt to blow up a plane.
[citation needed]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:20:54pm |
re: #39 albusteve
why would you wonder that?
because it'd be hilarious to have my ghostly torso that the guy running the x-ray machine is watching and then just a massive glowing tattoo on the screen
Why WOULDN'T I wonder that?
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:21:13pm |
re: #42 WindUpBird
Well, I'm sure when there's a Republican in the white house, it'll magically no longer be an issue to you :)
you are wrong to assume people here are as partisan as you...not so, and the continuous effort to frame every post, every comment as such is just plain dishonest...carry on, show us what you got again....you know the echo
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:21:21pm |
re: #38 Dreggas
I can seriously see a market for airport bodyscan porn.
That may be true. My only real objection to this thing is scanning minors. That part, if it happens, just doesn't sit well with me.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:21:32pm |
Like I said yesterday. If you're really that worried about radiation exposure from the AIT then don't fly because you're going to be bombarded far more with cosmic radiation then anything on the ground. Take the bus.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:21:32pm |
re: #36 Obdicut
So you honestly think the American Society of Radiologists is lying? Or that they don't really understand radiation?
//This is America damn it, I'm a free man who is entitled to his own opinions!
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:22:00pm |
re: #34 WindUpBird
I think there would be, after all it's not a true x-ray in the sense that it sees through you. Could have all kinds of fun punking them through the use of a sharpie before going through.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:22:00pm |
re: #49 WindUpBird
because it'd be hilarious to have my ghostly torso that the guy running the x-ray machine is watching and then just a massive glowing tattoo on the screen
Why WOULDN'T I wonder that?
wowee!....a cheap thrill
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:22:03pm |
re: #46 Gus 802
Don't trust AMA and JAMA! They once endorsed Lucky Strike cigarettes! We're doomed I tells ya'!
/
I guess 'tudes change a lot since 2001!
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:22:09pm |
re: #31 elizajane
Goes without saying that we are more used to the exposure than men, and that physicians are not in it for the peep show.
But just as occupations such as coaching and day care working sometimes attract a disproportionate number of child predators**, the same could be said of TSA friskers.
** don't start.... I know the majority of coaches and day care workers are wonderful people./
Reasonable people can certainly disagree.
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theheat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:22:16pm |
I hate flying, so I really hate the idea of being blown up by some other asshole, also flying. They can pat me down, stroke my fur the wrong way, smell my socks, radiate me, damage their fingers on my underwire bra - I don't give a rat's ass. All I know is flying without security is a bad idea. I want that security. I want to get to where I'm going in one piece. If that gives the next guy in line a stiffy or damages his manliness, they need to find another mode of transportation. Life's full of choices. They can choose something else.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:22:26pm |
re: #43 negativ
The value of the sword is not that it fall, but rather, that it hangs.
*Snort*.
Keep in mind that neither the nudie x-ray nor the grope-a-thon would have stopped or even mildly inconvenienced the 9/11 hijackers.
The only thing that can stop terrorist attacks is intelligence, both in the cognitive sense, and in the information gathering sense. As usual, we're long on tech and short on intelligence, which is why we will eventually get hit again.
The most recent Yemeni plot was uncovered by intelligence, not by scanners or inspections.
Really? X-Ray or pat downs wouldn't have uncovered the razor box cutters?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:22:44pm |
re: #50 albusteve
you are wrong to assume people here are as partisan as you...not so, and the continuous effort to frame every post, every comment as such is just plain dishonest...carry on, show us what you got again...you know the echo
I don't assume everyone is, i assume Ojoe is
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:23:51pm |
why is whether someone sees your silvery ghost torso on a screen scary to anyone
why is this even an issue
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:23:53pm |
re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth
I agree. But people would object to them being patted down as well. Again sword of damocles.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:23:58pm |
re: #48 negativ
[citation needed]
I don't know how good this place is, but it seems that there was some 'consideration' of such a thing.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:24:02pm |
re: #59 Walter L. Newton
Really? X-Ray or pat downs wouldn't have uncovered the razor box cutters?
Makes no difference; box cutters were kosher carry on before 9/11. Brings us back to intelligence.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:24:07pm |
re: #60 WindUpBird
I don't assume everyone is, i assume Ojoe is
Oh come on... there are more partisans here than just Ojoe. Don't be so tight.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:24:29pm |
re: #50 albusteve
you are wrong to assume people here are as partisan as you...not so,
Some of them are MUCH more partisan than WUB could ever be.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:24:32pm |
re: #60 WindUpBird
I don't assume everyone is, i assume Ojoe is
no, only those you disagree with, with, with
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:24:39pm |
re: #31 elizajane
Oh come on. Only for guys.
I mean (TMI warning here) women have to have breast exams and gynecologist exams and PAP smears every single year and we've just realized that people don't go into these careers because it's FUN. It's routine and it's boring and anybody who's demented enough to imagine that the guard has been working this job for years just so he can touch THEIR amazingly wonderful nuts for two seconds through clothing, or ogle THEIR fuzzy silhouette on a scanner, is an egomaniac of the first order. A paranoid egomaniac.
exactly this
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:24:49pm |
re: #64 negativ
Makes no difference; box cutters were kosher carry on before 9/11. Brings us back to intelligence.
So... what is wrong with the current procedures?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:25:38pm |
re: #52 Gus 802
Like I said yesterday. If you're really that worried about radiation exposure from the AIT then don't fly because you're going to be bombarded far more with cosmic radiation then anything on the ground. Take the bus.
Which really pisses me off. As much as I have flown, I have yet to mutate any really cool super powers. Even my power of hind sight is pretty mundane.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:25:46pm |
re: #59 Walter L. Newton
Really? X-Ray or pat downs wouldn't have uncovered the razor box cutters?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong--couldn't you bring a box cutter onto a place prior to 9/11? I seem to recall it being discussed in the aftermath that they didn't have to evade security at all with those.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:25:59pm |
re: #64 negativ
There was also the policy that during a high-jacking everyone was to remain calm and cooperate with the high jackers. They would issue demands and use the hostages to get their demands met. This was the first instance where the high-jackers took over the plane and did what they did.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:26:25pm |
Better stop eating bananas while you're at it:
Foods containing potassium-40 and
carbon-14.
A small fraction of potassium atoms (0.0118 percent according to NCRP Report 93) exist in the form of radioactive potassium-40. Eating potassium-rich foods exposes us to the radiation released as potassium-40 decays.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:26:34pm |
re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist
yes those were allowed.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:27:09pm |
re: #58 theheat
Every one of us wants that security. Especially me.... I fly a lot.
But the way we're going about it is juvenile and unsophisticated.
Subjecting an 80-year old lady to the same searches as a nineteen year old male because it's ' fair ' is time-wasting and silly. El Al has the correct profiling idea, and it is based on real data before the passenger ever hits the screening line.
And what are we going to do about cavity searches? Because those are surely as necessary, given that there has actually been a ' cavity bomber ' in the ME.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:27:48pm |
re: #58 theheat
They can pat me down, stroke my fur the wrong way, smell my socks, radiate me, damage their fingers on my underwire bra - I don't give a rat's ass.
Are you available friday night?
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:28:06pm |
Sleeping next to someone for 8 hours: 2 mrems
Exposure comes from the naturally radioactive potassium in the other person's body
That's 200x a 0.01 exposure.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:28:07pm |
re: #31 elizajane
Oh come on. Only for guys.
I mean (TMI warning here) women have to have breast exams and gynecologist exams and PAP smears every single year and we've just realized that people don't go into these careers because it's FUN. It's routine and it's boring and anybody who's demented enough to imagine that the guard has been working this job for years just so he can touch THEIR amazingly wonderful nuts for two seconds through clothing, or ogle THEIR fuzzy silhouette on a scanner, is an egomaniac of the first order. A paranoid egomaniac.
Really... I'm traveling to France in Jan., and from what my spies are telling me... people have been applying right and left for TSA jobs at the international terminal at Denver International just to have the privilege to grope me... come on... it happens... some of us are just "blessed" with this kind of attention...
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:28:28pm |
The scanner detects metal... the dog (that only costs a few bucks & requires no pension and very low maintainer) can check for explosives... the screener (assuming well trained and professional) will look for suspicious behavior.
2 outta 3 ain't bad.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:28:32pm |
re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist
Someone correct me if I'm wrong--couldn't you bring a box cutter onto a place prior to 9/11? I seem to recall it being discussed in the aftermath that they didn't have to evade security at all with those.
Evidently... my mistake.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:28:32pm |
re: #72 Dreggas
There was also the policy that during a high-jacking everyone was to remain calm and cooperate with the high jackers. They would issue demands and use the hostages to get their demands met. This was the first instance where the high-jackers took over the plane and did what they did.
Yeah. That was a very key issue, and an advantage no future terrorists will have. SOP was sit tight, stay calm, and go where they tell you. Years of experience said that was the best way to keep everyone on board alive.
Even so, people fought on that same day, once they realized what the stakes were, and in every opportunity since then, passengers have fought. (The guy who took down Reid springs to mind.)
A lot changes, fast, once.
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theheat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:28:37pm |
re: #76 Slumbering Behemoth
Ask Mr. Heat how many camels he'll take for trade.
//
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:29:13pm |
re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist
Some of them are MUCH more partisan than WUB could ever be.
I'm so partisan I never vote for Republicans
except that senator
except that house member a while back
except that treasurer
except that lady in my state district when I still lived in outer SE
it's pretty cool knowing local Oregon policy wonks personally, I get so much more of the real story behind the ballot measures and the smaller races and the land use and bridge funding wrangling, all that good stuff
if I'm partisan towards anything, I'm partisan to Oregon. We have reasonable republicans here! Chris Dudley, good guy, wasn't talking about secession even once!
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:29:25pm |
Brazil Nuts:
This is the world's most radioactive food due to high radium concentrations 1000-times that of average foods.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:29:25pm |
re: #69 Walter L. Newton
So... what is wrong with the current procedures?
Oh, I dunno. I don't fly, nor am I likely to do so any time soon, so it doesn't affect me at all. Maybe I'm just being contrary for the hell of it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:29:27pm |
re: #81 Walter L. Newton
Evidently... my mistake.
Given that I wasn't allowed to bring FENCING FOILS on board, many years before 9/11, always struck me as odd.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:29:48pm |
re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist
A Delta flight was escorted into PDX just last month because several box cutters were found in the restroom.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:30:02pm |
re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist
Some of them are MUCH more partisan than WUB could ever be.
I have been professionally trained but I must bow to WUB as a true master... he really believes.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:30:11pm |
re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist
Given that I wasn't allowed to bring FENCING FOILS on board, many years before 9/11, always struck me as odd.
I ran into that problem all the time.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:30:25pm |
re: #88 tradewind
A Delta flight was escorted into PDX just last month because several box cutters were found in the restroom.
Yes, but before 9/11 they were not contraband. Now, of course...
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:30:50pm |
re: #77 Gus 802
Sleeping next to someone for 8 hours: 2 mrems
That's 200x a 0.01 exposure.
Genuinely curious and too lazy to look it up: got any info on how much exposure a TSA worker who operates the machine all day, every day gets, and how well are they shielded?
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:30:54pm |
re: #79 brookly red
But the dogs have a tendency to sniff , which offends people, some groups more than others.//
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:31:21pm |
re: #89 brookly red
I have been professionally trained but I must bow to WUB as a true master... he really believes.
I believe I live in a pretty great place that is mostly run by democrats. It's called observation!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:31:35pm |
re: #93 tradewind
But the dogs have a tendency to sniff , which offends people, some groups more than others.//
So basically, we're pitting the dog lovers against the exhibitionists here, or what?
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:31:37pm |
re: #93 tradewind
But the dogs have a tendency to sniff , which offends people, some groups more than others.//
fuck em.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:31:50pm |
re: #92 negativ
Genuinely curious and too lazy to look it up: got any info on how much exposure a TSA worker who operates the machine all day, every day gets, and how well are they shielded?
Hmm. Good question.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:31:56pm |
re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist
There were regs re blade lengths on knives.
That probably snagged your foils.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:32:33pm |
re: #77 Gus 802
Sleeping next to someone for 8 hours: 2 mrems
That's 200x a 0.01 exposure.
but won't someone think about the free radicals?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:32:46pm |
re: #96 brookly red
fuck em.
Funny, that is EXACTLY how I feel about people who get whiny about getting patted down.
Of course, I'm in favor of using dogs, because dogs are wonderful, cheap, and thinking, which no scanner will be any time soon. But still, you know...
Fuck 'em.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:32:51pm |
re: #94 WindUpBird
I believe I live in a pretty great place that is mostly run by democrats. It's called observation!
CA voters say the exact same thing....
hahahaha!
what are they missing?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:33:18pm |
re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist
Funny, that is EXACTLY how I feel about people who get whiny about getting patted down.
Of course, I'm in favor of using dogs, because dogs are wonderful, cheap, and thinking, which no scanner will be any time soon. But still, you know...
Fuck 'em.
Wouldn't dogs be offensive to some religious sensibilities?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:33:21pm |
re: #98 tradewind
There were regs re blade lengths on knives.
That probably snagged your foils.
But they had no points or edges!
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:33:54pm |
re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist
So basically, we're pitting the dog lovers against the exhibitionists here, or what?
hey we can make the scans available upon request... and for 5 bucks we can take your picture with the doggie. Awww isn't he cute?
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Renaissance_Man Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:34:11pm |
re: #92 negativ
Genuinely curious and too lazy to look it up: got any info on how much exposure a TSA worker who operates the machine all day, every day gets, and how well are they shielded?
Whatever it is, I'm sure it's worth it for the opportunity to feel sweaty travelers up.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:34:21pm |
Correction. Occupational mrem exposure limit is 5,000 per year.
[Link: www.nrc.gov...]
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:35:01pm |
re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist
Wait, what? Who are the exhibitionists?
(Although I was amused to hear a woman on a radio show who said she was going to wear a... ummm... strap on thingy next time she flew just to see the look on the screeners' faces).
Dogs are always good. Here we use Belgian Malonoises, so pretty.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:35:10pm |
re: #104 brookly red
hey we can make the scans available upon request... and for 5 bucks we can take your picture with the doggie. Awww isn't he cute?
I would take the dog over the scan or the pat down in a heartbeat.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:35:23pm |
re: #104 brookly red
hey we can make the scans available upon request... and for 5 bucks we can take your picture with the doggie. Awww isn't he cute?
Like at the end of a ride at Disney World. And it would be a nice remembrance for your relatives just in case the plane does drop out of the sky and go splat.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:35:26pm |
re: #101 albusteve
CA voters say the exact same thing...
hahahaha!
what are they missing?
Absolutely nothing. I am entirely content in my little apartment by the Bay.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:35:49pm |
re: #94 WindUpBird
I believe I live in a pretty great place that is mostly run by democrats. It's called observation!
Observation... why yes of course. How do you type with your arms tied up?
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:36:02pm |
re: #106 Gus 802
Correction. Occupational mrem exposure limit is 5,000 per year.
[Link: www.nrc.gov...]
as an RT I had to wear a badge....so many rads and you were done for a while....the powers that be are very protective about exposure in the med business
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:36:03pm |
re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist
Of course, I'm in favor of using dogs, because dogs are wonderful, cheap, and thinking, which no scanner will be any time soon.
That's what we need, scanners that are self-aware!
"Ya know Behemoth, that's pretty impressive equipment your working with, but your junk would really 'pop' if you laid off of the beer for a while"
- Scanner T100
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:36:16pm |
re: #93 tradewind
But the dogs have a tendency to sniff , which offends people, some groups more than others.//
My dog, too, is strangely curious about this question.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:36:23pm |
re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist
FAA sez: Talk to the hand.
:)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:36:46pm |
How many dogs currently sit in shelters?
See...it works.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:36:54pm |
re: #101 albusteve
CA voters say the exact same thing...
hahahaha!
what are they missing?
about 6 billion... but who's counting.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:36:58pm |
re: #102 Walter L. Newton
Wouldn't dogs be offensive to some religious sensibilities?
It's an issue. Of course, the scanners are also offensive to some religious sensibilities, as we're discovering. My thought is that if you simply can't cope with the dogs, you can have a private pat down option. If you can't handle either, you probably won't like flying anyway.
I think the last time someone talked about this, we discussed those giant rats that find bombs in Africa. I don't know if anyone's religion has an issue with giant rats.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:37:05pm |
re: #108 EmmmieG
I would take the dog over the scan or the pat down in a heartbeat.
I'm not sure why they don't use dogs anymore. It's been a while since I've seen a dog in an airport.
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:37:48pm |
re: #102 Walter L. Newton
Wouldn't dogs be offensive to some religious sensibilities?
Just another form of the Terror Tax.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:38:07pm |
re: #112 albusteve
as an RT I had to wear a badge...so many rads and you were done for a while...the powers that be are very protective about exposure in the med business
Could be useful for frequent fliers maybe?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:38:16pm |
re: #105 Renaissance_Man
Whatever it is, I'm sure it's worth it for the opportunity to feel sweaty travelers up.
What a career.
Now, can someone explain to me, since I missed it in all the hubbub--have TSA actually changed their standard operation?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:38:20pm |
re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist
It's an issue. Of course, the scanners are also offensive to some religious sensibilities, as we're discovering. My thought is that if you simply can't cope with the dogs, you can have a private pat down option. If you can't handle either, you probably won't like flying anyway.
I think the last time someone talked about this, we discussed those giant rats that find bombs in Africa. I don't know if anyone's religion has an issue with giant rats.
You mean the Sumatran Rat-Monkey...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:38:22pm |
re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist
It's an issue. Of course, the scanners are also offensive to some religious sensibilities, as we're discovering. My thought is that if you simply can't cope with the dogs, you can have a private pat down option. If you can't handle either, you probably won't like flying anyway.
I think the last time someone talked about this, we discussed those giant rats that find bombs in Africa. I don't know if anyone's religion has an issue with giant rats.
I'll take the dog over the giant rat in a heart beat.
When did a giant rat ever star in a Disney movie?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:38:28pm |
re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist
But they had no points or edges!
You could TOTALLY give someone a nasty welt, though.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:38:41pm |
I like the dog sniffing option. Anyone know what their effective range is, to keep them 'away' from people who might object?
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:38:43pm |
re: #119 Killgore Trout
We use 'em down here. One at the entrance to each concourse, lying calmly like a statue.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:38:52pm |
re: #117 brookly red
about 6 billion... but who's counting.
sitting around content is exactly how CA sold the farm and nobody seemed to care....peace
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:38:52pm |
re: #107 tradewind
Wait, what? Who are the exhibitionists?
(Although I was amused to hear a woman on a radio show who said she was going to wear a... ummm... strap on thingy next time she flew just to see the look on the screeners' faces).
Dogs are always good. Here we use Belgian Malonoises, so pretty.
San Francisco airport uses beagles for drug sniffing. Very cute, but I have noted that their handlers need to remind them to sniff things OVER their heads.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:38:56pm |
re: #104 brookly red
hey we can make the scans available upon request... and for 5 bucks we can take your picture with the doggie. Awww isn't he cute?
well for that matter we can make the pat-downs available on request too... but your gonna need a credit card.
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:39:42pm |
re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist
It's an issue. Of course, the scanners are also offensive to some religious sensibilities, as we're discovering. My thought is that if you simply can't cope with the dogs, you can have a private pat down option. If you can't handle either, you probably won't like flying anyway.
I think the last time someone talked about this, we discussed those giant rats that find bombs in Africa. I don't know if anyone's religion has an issue with giant rats.
At some point, rules are rules.
I am also unaware of any religious dictums that make no exceptions for safety.
If there are, those adherents need to learn a new word: Greyhound.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:40:18pm |
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:40:30pm |
re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist
It depends on where you are... if you're at an airport with the new scanners ( which is what the fuss is about, and not all airports have 'em) and you set off the old-style metal detectors, you get a very thorough pat-down.
Make sure you have nothing on you that will set 'em off, and you're usually not going to get it.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:40:44pm |
re: #131 researchok
At some point, rules are rules.
I am also unaware of any religious dictums that make no exceptions for safety.
If there are, those adherents need to learn a new word: Greyhound.
you know I think this is all a plot to pimp amtrack....
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:41:00pm |
re: #108 EmmmieG
I would take the dog over the scan or the pat down in a heartbeat.
I would be such a pain in the ass. "Oh, what a pretty doggy! Is it a boy or girl? What's her name? Can I pet her? Please? Oh, what a good doggy! Can I give her a treat?"
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:41:06pm |
re: #121 Gus 802
Could be useful for frequent fliers maybe?
there is no threat of contamination, even for the pilots....zilch....but I'm not going to persecute somebody that is concerned because they are not hip to nuclear exposure
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:41:52pm |
re: #134 brookly red
you know I think this is all a plot to pimp amtrack...
Doesn't Amtrak also have enhanced security now?
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:42:18pm |
re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist
Okay, look, I love to visit your city, it's gorgeous, but really..... only there would they use a beagle that way.
A beagle IS his nose.... and too attached to it to be very discriminating, IMO.
But they are very non-threatening, the Snoopy vibe, so there's that...
:)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:42:22pm |
re: #137 researchok
Doesn't Amtrak also have enhanced security now?
The last time I rode the train I'm not sure if I even showed ID.
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:43:07pm |
re: #139 EmmmieG
The last time I rode the train I'm not sure if I even showed ID.
How long ago was that?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:43:07pm |
So awesome. Is there anything dogs can't do?
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:43:25pm |
re: #137 researchok
They've fitted the seat cushions with tire irons.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:43:29pm |
re: #137 researchok
Doesn't Amtrak also have enhanced security now?
yes... they actually ask for ID in the bar car.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:43:59pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:44:15pm |
re: #140 researchok
How long ago was that?
A few summers back. Way past when enhanced security was in place at the airport.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:44:21pm |
re: #141 Slumbering Behemoth
So awesome. Is there anything dogs can't do?
dogs make lousy pizza... some things just require thumbs.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:44:41pm |
re: #123 Walter L. Newton
You mean the Sumatran Rat-Monkey...
[Video]
And if one of those shows up at my airport, it is NOT sniffing me.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:45:00pm |
re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist
No. He has nothing on kittens.
Could we breed explosive-sniffing kittens?
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:45:11pm |
re: #141 Slumbering Behemoth
They're training dogs to detect certain cancers by smell ( melanomas vs basal cell/other skin conditions). And there are seizure dogs now as well. They can alert a patient or a parent when a seizure is imminent and get them to ground level.
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:45:20pm |
re: #145 EmmmieG
A few summers back. Way past when enhanced security was in place at the airport.
Gotcha.
I just cannot believe we are having a conversation about lessening security.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:45:42pm |
re: #148 EmmmieG
No. He has nothing on kittens.
Could we breed explosive-sniffing kittens?
No, No....
Explosive-sniffing Hello Kitty!
She finds anything, she becomes Ninja Hello Kitty!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:45:52pm |
re: #146 brookly red
dogs make lousy pizza... some things just require thumbs.
Whereas cats make excellent pizza, depending on which cuts you use.
/
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:46:14pm |
re: #150 researchok
No one is for lessening security ( except the bad guys). The issue is more actual security and less Security Theater.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:46:43pm |
re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist
Look at this guy. Isn't he adorable?
"According to trainers, a rat's sense of smell works just as well as a dog's to detect mines, and the creatures' small size gives them some big advantage on the minefield. Not only are they easier to feed and transport, "when they do find a mine, thier fur will burn for about 15 minutes, making it easy for us to pinpoit exactly where the mine was discovered" APOPO writes on its website."
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:46:56pm |
Dinner!
No cats involved.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:46:57pm |
re: #143 brookly red
yes... they actually ask for ID in the bar car.
and it actually works better than you think... (when Habid starts doing shots you know something is up)
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:47:07pm |
re: #153 tradewind
No one is for lessening security ( except the bad guys). The issue is more actual security and less Security Theater.
I understand what you are saying.
Post underwear bomber, are pat downs really theater?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:47:43pm |
re: #138 tradewind
Okay, look, I love to visit your city, it's gorgeous, but really... only there would they use a beagle that way.
A beagle IS his nose... and too attached to it to be very discriminating, IMO.
But they are very non-threatening, the Snoopy vibe, so there's that...
:)
Someone told me that they used them because they used to use German shepherds, and some Shoah survivors were freaked out by them. No idea if that's true. The little guys seem to do OK, but they may not be the best choice.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:48:50pm |
re: #149 tradewind
They're training dogs to detect certain cancers by smell ( melanomas vs basal cell/other skin conditions). And there are seizure dogs now as well. They can alert a patient or a parent when a seizure is imminent and get them to ground level.
There's a Jodi Picoult novel in which a lawyer has a seizure dog.
Dog's name is Judge, because he likes being able to say, "Sit down and be quiet, Judge."
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:49:16pm |
re: #154 Walter L. Newton
"According to trainers, a rat's sense of smell works just as well as a dog's to detect mines, and the creatures' small size gives them some big advantage on the minefield. Not only are they easier to feed and transport, "when they do find a mine, thier fur will burn for about 15 minutes, making it easy for us to pinpoit exactly where the mine was discovered" APOPO writes on its website."
Oh. How nice.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:49:33pm |
re: #141 Slumbering Behemoth
So awesome. Is there anything dogs can't do?
They can't play classical guitar. Cats can play classical guitar and the piano.
//
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:49:38pm |
re: #132 negativ
Haven't even clicked on that but if it's about the Iraq hero dog who died in AZ, you're just ruined my day for the second time ( first was when I heard it).
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:49:49pm |
re: #149 tradewind
They're training dogs to detect certain cancers by smell ( melanomas vs basal cell/other skin conditions). And there are seizure dogs now as well. They can alert a patient or a parent when a seizure is imminent and get them to ground level.
See this- dogs sniffing out cancer
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jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:49:52pm |
re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist
The BBC has a comment on them:
Sniffer dogs have been used in the UK to detect explosives, increasingly post-Madrid, but experts say the widespread use of beagles could be one answer. The dogs, made famous by cartoon character Snoopy, have been a hit at US airports such as Washington Dulles."Beagles are delightful and everyone goes 'Aaaah, they're cute, so it's not intrusive or scary," says security expert Bob Ayers, associate fellow of international think-tank Chatham House. "They are in keeping with the British tradition of policing - non-intrusive and non-threatening, unlike mastiffs or Rottweilers." [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:49:59pm |
re: #101 albusteve
CA voters say the exact same thing...
hahahaha!
what are they missing?
Ho ho ho my friends! El Rushbo from the gooolden microphone!
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:50:46pm |
re: #158 researchok
Do you really think the pat down would have found the underwear bomber's C-4?
Because I don't.
Here's what should have been stopped before it got to the gate: Teh Underwear Bombah.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:51:18pm |
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:51:30pm |
re: #167 tradewind
Do you really think the pat down would have found the underwear bomber's C-4?
Because I don't.
Here's what should have been stopped before it got to the gate: Teh Underwear Bombah.
I could not agree more.
But he wasn't.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:51:42pm |
well if your ever any kind of situation while traveling that requires a direct, immediate, and serious form of assistance just whip out a cigarette and pretend to light it a swat team will be there before you can say wtf?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:52:09pm |
re: #162 Gus 802
Bah. Cats play people, not pianos.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:52:28pm |
re: #167 tradewind
Do you really think the pat down would have found the underwear bomber's C-4?
Because I don't.
Here's what should have been stopped before it got to the gate: Teh Underwear Bombah.
That was PETN not C4.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:52:31pm |
re: #166 WindUpBird
Ho ho ho my friends! El Rushbo from the gooolden microphone!
speak English....you are not as clever as you think, you will pay the bill when it comes due once more having the opportunity to bow before your union and liberal masters....what happens when there is no more gravy?...who will you jest about then?
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:53:21pm |
re: #171 Slumbering Behemoth
Bah. Cats play people, not pianos.
Call the ambulance...
I have a bad case... of diarrhea.
//
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webevintage Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:53:31pm |
re: #148 EmmmieG
No. He has nothing on kittens.
Could we breed explosive-sniffing kittens?
We could, but they will only sniff if they feel like it....
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:53:54pm |
re: #171 Slumbering Behemoth
Bah. Cats play people, not pianos.
yes they play people but they make tennis racquet's...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:54:13pm |
re: #175 Gus 802
Actually, I find too much cat in my diet can be binding.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:54:28pm |
re: #173 Gus 802
That was PETN not C4.
I have not, for several years, been able to see the word(s?) C4 without singing the version of 'Rhinestone Cowboy' my father was warbling after Richard Reid's failed attempt:
With an airplane ticket, and some C4 in mah shoe...
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:55:07pm |
re: #169 researchok
And that is the crux of the problem, and what our cowering officials afraid of offending will not address with any effectiveness, because people will be offended. Occam's Razor may not allowed through security, but it should be applied to it.
I suppose that if there is, God forbid, another successful attack, it'll be addressed with a vengeance.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:55:09pm |
re: #174 albusteve
speak English...you are not as clever as you think, you will pay the bill when it comes due once more having the opportunity to bow before your union and liberal masters...what happens when there is no more gravy?...who will you jest about then?
Uh, Steve, he's not even a Californian.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:55:18pm |
re: #178 Slumbering Behemoth
Need to prepare them from scratch.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:55:54pm |
re: #178 Slumbering Behemoth
Actually, I find too much cat in my diet can be binding.
Ah but you probably never tried twice cooked Corgi.
//
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:56:13pm |
re: #8 Obdicut
Oh come on. With training and qualifications-They can have a gun in the cockpit if they wish. They are screened by the FAA and the airlines. All kinds of review. They are in control of the whole plane itself a weapon if used that way.
Exactly what do they think they are preventing by making the pilots and co pilots go through all this? IMO-It's just about appearances. Posturing of the most misleading kind.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:56:17pm |
re: #177 brookly red
yes they play people but they make tennis racquet's...
Ha! But "catgut" isn't really made from cat's guts...
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:56:55pm |
re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist
Uh, Steve, he's not even a Californian.
/neither are 4 million other people collecting "benefits" ... so?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:57:00pm |
re: #183 Gus 802
Nah. Dogs is fur working, cats is fur eatin'.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:57:28pm |
re: #187 brookly red
/neither are 4 million other people collecting "benefits" ... so?
WUB, are you collecting benefits in California? Tell the truth, now.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:57:38pm |
Looks like even the dog solution has some training issues to work out:
Dogs do err, on occasion. “Sometimes they’ll try to cheat,” Patrick Beltz, a longtime dog trainer and owner of California-based Work Dogs International, told MPR. “Other times, it can be really just a mistake. If they want to too bad, they might smell something.”An important factor in bomb-sniffing success is for the handler to know the dog’s signals very well, Beltz said. If the handler can’t tell if the dog is getting excited about explosives or another object, there could be a problem.
“It could be sausage somebody’s carrying to a family,” Beltz told MPR. “It’s a big difference between a dog showing, well, this smells good, versus saying ‘Whoa, I think I’m near [explosives].’
[Link: dogblog.dogster.com...]
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:58:01pm |
re: #184 Rightwingconspirator
Case in point: the Egypt Air L-10 taken down by the first officer. I guarantee you he didn't use a gun, or even a box cutter.... just shoved the old stick to the redline. And with the glass cockpits today, he wouldn't even have had to break a sweat like that.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:58:07pm |
re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist
Uh, Steve, he's not even a Californian.
I know that, neither am I or the other taxpayers around the country that will have to answer for CA stupidity and arrogant spending
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:59:08pm |
re: #184 Rightwingconspirator
Oh come on. With training and qualifications-They can have a gun in the cockpit if they wish. They are screened by the FAA and the airlines. All kinds of review. They are in control of the whole plane itself a weapon if used that way.
Exactly what do they think they are preventing by making the pilots and co pilots go through all this? IMO-It's just about appearances. Posturing of the most misleading kind.
there should be two armed people on every domestic flight
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:59:34pm |
re: #191 tradewind
Case in point: the Egypt Air L-10 taken down by the first officer. I guarantee you he didn't use a gun, or even a box cutter... just shoved the old stick to the redline. And with the glass cockpits today, he wouldn't even have had to break a sweat like that.
I don't think we are supposed to talk about that...
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:01:11pm |
OT, I have a question: What does a computer cookie actually do? And is there more than one type of cookie?
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ozbloke Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:01:21pm |
re: #193 albusteve
there should be two armed people on every domestic flight
Why?
How many arms do most Americans have?
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:01:39pm |
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:01:50pm |
re: #194 brookly red
I don't think we are supposed to talk about that...
"There is no analysis as to the cause of the crash." - NTSB
Anything else is pure speculation.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:02:30pm |
I definitely would not want to be flying this holiday season. There's a planned protest being promoted by Fox news and Alex Jones for people to resist airport security screenings. It doesn't take more than a few wingnuts to jam up the lines, get arrested, flights delayed while their luggage is removed from the planes, things get back up. They could really make a mess of things.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:02:53pm |
re: #197 researchok
It's the bastard child of an alien implant.//
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:02:59pm |
re: #201 Killgore Trout
I definitely would not want to be flying this holiday season. There's a planned protest being promoted by Fox news and Alex Jones for people to resist airport security screenings. It doesn't take more than a few wingnuts to jam up the lines, get arrested, flights delayed while their luggage is removed from the planes, things get back up. They could really make a mess of things.
Dumb fucks.
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elizajane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:03:43pm |
re: #192 albusteve
I know that, neither am I or the other taxpayers around the country that will have to answer for CA stupidity and arrogant spending
Last I heard, California was still #43 in the great game of who gets more money from the Feds than they pay in, as opposed say to Alaska, land of the hearty individualists, which I believe was #2. So enough with the whinging about how the rest of you are going to bail us out. We've been paying in way over our "fair share" and you don't hear us making a stink about that.
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:03:43pm |
re: #197 researchok
OT, I have a question: What does a computer cookie actually do? And is there more than one type of cookie?
generally, it's just some information about you that the remote server has stored on your computer so that it will be ahead of the game the next time that you visit that site
on the other hand, the fact that the remote server can store something on your hard drive without you being aware of it is kinda scary
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:03:51pm |
re: #197 researchok
It tracks your web site preferences and sets you up for advertising.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:03:52pm |
re: #184 Rightwingconspirator
I don't care whether or not the pilots undergo it.
I'm simply interested in putting the myth that the scans have significant amounts of radiation to rest.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:04:04pm |
re: #203 researchok
Dumb fucks.
Yeah, I think that's why the fines are so big. I suspect the TSA will throw the book at whoever tries to make trouble.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:04:04pm |
re: #200 Gus 802
"There is no analysis as to the cause of the crash." - NTSB
Anything else is pure speculation.
yeah... and flight 800 was an accident too.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:04:41pm |
re: #192 albusteve
I know that, neither am I or the other taxpayers around the country that will have to answer for CA stupidity and arrogant spending
For those of you observing the ongoing deep concern felt by many of our colleagues about the financial disaster that is the Late Great State of California...
Does anyone know where it's coming from? (Yes, yes, observation, common sense, reality...)
Whose relentless fixation on California's economy IS this? Whence does it come?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:04:42pm |
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:04:52pm |
re: #206 Rightwingconspirator
It tracks your web site preferences and sets you up for advertising.
To be clear- cookies track all web site preferences or just the site where the cookie originates?
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webevintage Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:04:57pm |
re: #7 recusancy
OT: Good article on where our debt has come from. It seems pretty one sided to me.
Of course it does, but no one seems to be paying any attention except Rachel Maddow because it goes against the narrative.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:04:57pm |
re: #204 elizajane
Last I heard, California was still #43 in the great game of who gets more money from the Feds than they pay in, as opposed say to Alaska, land of the hearty individualists, which I believe was #2. So enough with the whinging about how the rest of you are going to bail us out. We've been paying in way over our "fair share" and you don't hear us making a stink about that.
and somehow that washes CA's responsibility away?...good luck with that
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:06:21pm |
re: #209 brookly red
yeah... and flight 800 was an accident too.
Well, if you don't want to take the NTSB's word for it don't. Why the relief FO made the flight control inputs that he did was never determined. Everything else is pure speculation and neither technical or scientific.
[Link: www.ntsb.gov...]
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:06:24pm |
re: #201 Killgore Trout
Actually, the protest was mentioned first on CNN, and is the brainchild of one guy.
[Link: www.optoutday.com...]
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:06:25pm |
re: #212 researchok
To be clear- cookies track all web site preferences or just the site where the cookie originates?
/hey so you like em young... we don't judge here ;)
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:06:46pm |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I think that's why the fines are so big. I suspect the TSA will throw the book at whoever tries to make trouble.
Here's hoping.
What bugs the hell out of me is just how many people see this as 'civil disobedience'.
There are people (read: idiots) who believe they are the new Rosa Parks.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:06:50pm |
re: #207 Obdicut
I don't care whether or not the pilots undergo it.
I'm simply interested in putting the myth that the scans have significant amounts of radiation to rest.
Yep. Sully is wrong.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:06:51pm |
re: #204 elizajane
We've been paying in way over our "fair share" and you don't hear us making a stink about that.
I'm gonna start making a stink about all these bitchy little "redstaters" ungratefully sucking at California's tax teet. Watch me.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:07:08pm |
re: #207 Obdicut
Because at the end of the day, that's the real issue.//
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:08:20pm |
re: #221 tradewind
It's definitely better for people to understand that while their privacy is invaded they're not getting cancer at the same time, yes.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:08:35pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
Whose relentless fixation on California's economy IS this? Whence does it come?
The people who live in other states, afraid that the federal welfare they get from CA is gonna dry up, and they'll have to pay for their own highways with their own damn money.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:08:38pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
For those of you observing the ongoing deep concern felt by many of our colleagues about the financial disaster that is the Late Great State of California...
Does anyone know where it's coming from? (Yes, yes, observation, common sense, reality...)
Whose relentless fixation on California's economy IS this? Whence does it come?
you and your fellow citizens are a barometer for the rest of the country and in fact embrace it...so what's the plan to balance your budget over there?...when you figure it out let Illinois and Jersey and Michigan in on the plan...whine to the feds is not a plan, it's a shirk and you know it
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:09:32pm |
re: #201 Killgore Trout
I definitely would not want to be flying this holiday season. There's a planned protest being promoted by Fox news and Alex Jones for people to resist airport security screenings. It doesn't take more than a few wingnuts to jam up the lines, get arrested, flights delayed while their luggage is removed from the planes, things get back up. They could really make a mess of things.
I'm going to be "not nice" and hope that any wingnuts who try that at O'Hare or Midway get an introduction to "The Chicago Way" courtesy of CPD tasers.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:09:50pm |
re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm gonna start making a stink about all these bitchy little "redstaters" ungratefully sucking at California's tax teet. Watch me.
go for it
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:10:58pm |
California: We Pay Federal Taxes So You Don't Have To.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:11:20pm |
re: #200 Gus 802
Okay. I guess the fact that he grabbed the controls and yelled 'Alahu akbar ' ( on CVR) about a dozen times on the way down in the middle of a clear smooth flight is open to many different interpretations.
The Egyptian government raised holy hell when the investigation was about to be made public, and for who knows what reason, a compromise non-finding was left in there.
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:11:49pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
For those of you observing the ongoing deep concern felt by many of our colleagues about the financial disaster that is the Late Great State of California...
Does anyone know where it's coming from? (Yes, yes, observation, common sense, reality...)
Whose relentless fixation on California's economy IS this? Whence does it come?
they hate us - so, the rat wang media feeds their desire by making up the story that california is in deep trouble and taking more money from the federal government than other states - neither of which things is true
when we went over this subject only an hour ago b.r. couldn't come up with a reason that the ca was in any worse shape than any other state
in fact, it's in very good shape relative to the rest of the country
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:11:50pm |
re: #222 Obdicut
It's definitely better for people to understand that while their privacy is invaded they're not getting cancer at the same time, yes.
One more thing: After a week, there will be very few if any TSA agents who find any kind of thrill in touching anyone's 'junk', if they ever did to begin with.
It astounds me how many people believe their 'junk' is special.
If Freud were alive today....he'd have a field day.
(NO sarc tag)
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:13:02pm |
re: #207 Obdicut
That may well be correct, but we have been lied to before, and recently about risks by experts. Government experts. Like the EPA that downplayed the air hazards after 9/11. Or the military and agent orange.
I think the fact Drudge and the right wingnut ratings rabbits have run away with the story changes nothing except how we look at Drudge and the wingnuts. It takes nothing away from a healthy skepticism about pronouncements like "nothing to worry about" in brand new technology applied widely and often.
The facts as described by the Reuters-
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
As for the actual radiation dose, he said the typical backscatter machines deliver about 0.1 microsevert of radiation. The average chest X-ray, by comparison, delivers 100 microseverts of radiation, and a chest computed tomography or CT scan delivers 10,000 microseverts.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:13:10pm |
re: #226 Dark_Falcon
How could they decide who to tase?
I hope they don't do it either, but I don't think that there would be a reaction of force.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:13:15pm |
re: #228 Slumbering Behemoth
California: We Pay Federal Taxes So You Don't Have To.
if you know you pay more than your share of fed taxes, why in the world would there be so much treasure squandered via unfunded union mandates?...if you feel repressed, you went about it all wrong
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:14:13pm |
re: #232 researchok
Given the state of Americans-- overweight, sweaty, self-righteous-- I would think that there's little pleasure in pat-downs.
Take a look at the line in the airport next time you're there and think how many people you'd actually, consensually, like to get your mitts on.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:14:17pm |
re: #216 tradewind
Actually, the protest was mentioned first on CNN, and is the brainchild of one guy.
[Link: www.optoutday.com...]
Great idea that:
Osama bin Laden: So, are we set for "Opt Out Day"?
Al Qaeda Cell Leader: Yes, Emir. Our holy warriors will mingle with the protest crowds. If they get past the check points that way we will bring down airliners. If they are stopped, they will detonate then and there amid the crowd, Either way, we will turn the infidels protest against them.
For those who think this is harsh, I agree that it is. But a reminder is needed as to who the real enemy is.
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:14:39pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:15:05pm |
re: #233 Rightwingconspirator
The American Radiology Association should be trusted on issues of radiation. They're not Rudy Guiliani assuring everyone that the air is fine.
They're an independent professional body.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:15:21pm |
re: #238 researchok
Not according to Alex Jones.
Get with it, Gus.
/
Flight 800 was an outside job!!11ty
/
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:15:26pm |
re: #219 Gus 802
Did Sully base his point on radiation? I think he made the point about the fact they command an airplane as the big possible risk. I'll say it again-They can have pistols if they want. The screen is pointless.
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:16:07pm |
re: #236 Obdicut
Given the state of Americans-- overweight, sweaty, self-righteous-- I would think that there's little pleasure in pat-downs.
Take a look at the line in the airport next time you're there and think how many people you'd actually, consensually, like to get your mitts on.
Ain't that the truth.
After a few hours, they all start looking like my ex MIL
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jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:16:19pm |
re: #225 Gus 802
Uh. Flight 800 was an accident.
If it was a missile, like some people want to think, I don't see how the result would have been changed by an airport screening process.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:16:26pm |
re: #241 Rightwingconspirator
Did Sully base his point on radiation? I think he made the point about the fact they command an airplane as the big possible risk. I'll say it again-They can have pistols if they want. The screen is pointless.
He did. I already made my point that the pilots can very well be exempt from the scan.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:16:49pm |
re: #237 Dark_Falcon
Great idea that:
For those who think this is harsh, I agree that it is. But a reminder is needed as to who the real enemy is.
Agreed. The wingnuts might be able to get rid of the body scanners temporarily but after the first successful attack they'll be back for good. It's a fact of life.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:17:04pm |
We have a slick new image displaying script tonight, that uses a more sophisticated animation routine.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:17:04pm |
re: #235 albusteve
In a 14 year period, New Mexico has gotten nearly double back in fed. tax dollars then it has sent in.
Your state is my state's welfare burden. If you wanna bitch about the state of CA's budget, maybe tell your state to quit sucking at our teet.
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researchok Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:17:26pm |
re: #239 Obdicut
The American Radiology Association should be trusted on issues of radiation. They're not Rudy Guiliani assuring everyone that the air is fine.
They're an independent professional body.
Keep this up and you'll put Alex Jones out ouf business.
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SteveC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:17:52pm |
re: #236 Obdicut
Take a look at the line in the airport next time you're there and think how many people you'd actually, consensually, like to get your mitts on.
My cousin is co-owner of a T-shirt shop. I ought to call her tomorrow and suggest a new shirt:
Wanna touch my junk? $5
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:17:57pm |
re: #215 Gus 802
Oh, sorry.... I didn't pay close enough attention to that, thought you were still on Egypt Air. Yeah, there's no proof that TWA was anything else but accidental.
My bad.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:18:13pm |
re: #246 Charles
We have a slick new image displaying script tonight, that uses a more sophisticated animation routine.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:19:09pm |
re: #235 albusteve
if you know you pay more than your share of fed taxes, why in the world would there be so much treasure squandered via unfunded union mandates?...if you feel repressed, you went about it all wrong
It's squandered on states like yours that put one dollar into the pot and take out two. That's the Californian taxpayer's money you're buying candy with. You're welcome.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:19:16pm |
re: #250 tradewind
Oh, sorry... I didn't pay close enough attention to that, thought you were still on Egypt Air. Yeah, there's no proof that TWA was anything else but accidental.
My bad.
I was commenting on this [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:20:11pm |
re: #247 Slumbering Behemoth
In a 14 year period, New Mexico has gotten nearly double back in fed. tax dollars then it has sent in.
Your state is my state's welfare burden. If you wanna bitch about the state of CA's budget, maybe tell your state to quit sucking at our teet.
you make no sense...your argument is faulty and you know it...CA knows it has to support others, why then overspend within CA?...and none of that even matters now...somebody has to bail out CA again, the Stimulus was nowhere near enough
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:20:58pm |
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:21:31pm |
re: #252 Slumbering Behemoth
It's squandered on states like yours that put one dollar into the pot and take out two. That's the Californian taxpayer's money you're buying candy with. You're welcome.
if you really believe that other states have caused CA's woes, you might try secession
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:22:27pm |
re: #224 albusteve
you and your fellow citizens are a barometer for the rest of the country and in fact embrace it...so what's the plan to balance your budget over there?...when you figure it out let Illinois and Jersey and Michigan in on the plan...whine to the feds is not a plan, it's a shirk and you know it
excuse me, did your state balance its budget in the past year? most states recieved stimulus money that they used to help make up for their shortfalls - did you check to see whether or not your state got stimulus money just like ca?
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:22:42pm |
re: #253 Gus 802
Yeah, figured that out after the fact.... sorry.
Proving the old ' assume ' adage once again.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:23:31pm |
re: #254 albusteve
I make no sense? Maybe if states like yours could figure out how to live off of what they generate, rather than bumming from us, we'd all be happy.
Oh, but no. It's much easier to bitch about how everyone else is gonna be stuck bailing out CA, when CA has been bailing out states like yours for years.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:24:15pm |
re: #245 Killgore Trout
Agreed. The wingnuts might be able to get rid of the body scanners temporarily but after the first successful attack they'll be back for good. It's a fact of life.
I don't even think they'll manage that much. What Paulians are doing is giving Obama the chance to build up his cred in national security. Their antics threaten Republican dominance on the national security issue. How the rest of the party reacts will be interesting, since its not even all wingnuts that are protesting.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:24:36pm |
re: #239 Obdicut
That was the EPA not just Rudy. Would you not cite them as trustworthy on environmental issues? They said all that dust was not a big hazard in the days after 9/11. WRONG.
Reminding me as in the guy that just posted the real radiation numbers about that association (assuming Reuters has good data) is as pointless as screening pilots. And that assumes a properly working machine.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:25:17pm |
re: #256 albusteve
But they actually have contributed to the problem.... all those rich people who've emigrated to Oregon and Montana and Washington St, taking their tax base with 'em.//
There should be an exit tax. That'd show 'em.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:25:38pm |
re: #256 albusteve
if you really believe that other states have caused CA's woes, you might try secession
If you really think that CA is gonna be the cause of other states woes, rather than the sugar daddy to the welfare sucking states, you might try reason.
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SteveC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:26:20pm |
re: #256 albusteve
if you really believe that other states have caused CA's woes, you might try secession
The 2nd Civil War!
Wars end depressions/recessions, so we can get rid of California, erase their debts from the books, put people back to work AND end our economic troubles? Win-Win, people!
Gettysburg II: This Time it's Personal!
///.... many ///
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:27:11pm |
re: #264 Rightwingconspirator
That was the EPA not just Rudy. Would you not cite them as trustworthy on environmental issues? They said all that dust was not a big hazard in the days after 9/11. WRONG.
Reminding me as in the guy that just posted the real radiation numbers about that association (assuming Reuters has good data) is as pointless as screening pilots. And that assumes a properly working machine.
It's a lot easier to determine the radiological hazards of a full body scan then it was to determine the toxic hazards of the Ground Zero clean up site. What Reuters shows has already been stated and the dosage of those scans are very low since they primarily deal with back scatter xrays.
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ozbloke Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:27:29pm |
re: #246 Charles
We have a slick new image displaying script tonight, that uses a more sophisticated animation routine.
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Charles,
Using google chrome, it seems to have some artifacts, perhaps where you have made some backgrounds transparent.
Typically, black vertical lines
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:28:10pm |
re: #258 engineer dog
excuse me, did your state balance its budget in the past year? most states recieved stimulus money that they used to help make up for their shortfalls - did you check to see whether or not your state got stimulus money just like ca?
why are Ca's flooding into NM?...you are in denial...
as for NM, Richardson DOUBLED the size of govt in the last few years...he digs it, thinks he's a cool surfer dude...notice NM voted in a conservative governor this month...Bill has the same addiction to taxes, subsidies, and deficit spending as any other donk
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jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:28:11pm |
All this talk of secession is just another reason why Rick Perry is a scumbag.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:28:28pm |
re: #258 engineer dog
excuse me, did your state balance its budget in the past year? most states recieved stimulus money that they used to help make up for their shortfalls - did you check to see whether or not your state got stimulus money just like ca?
New Mexico has been getting stimulus money in the form of California taxpayer dollars for years and years.
We're the best sugar daddy ever. They shit on us all the time while spending our money.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:28:41pm |
re: #264 Rightwingconspirator
And the EPA is also not an independent body of professionals, whatever else they may be.
And even if the machine isn't working properly, the amount of radiation produced is going to be negligible. The sheer amount of power required in order to produce significant amounts of radiation wouldn't be possible to pass through to the machine. X-ray machines draw shitloads of power in order to deliver their radiation. Further, if the emitter was overactive in that regard, it'd be noticeable immediately unless, by some strange coincidence, the monitor was mis-calibrated to exactly the extent that the machine was malfunctioning.
Again: I don't care about whether or not pilots get screened. I do care that people not fearmonger about the amount of radiation produced by these machines.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:28:44pm |
re: #264 Rightwingconspirator
That was the EPA not just Rudy. Would you not cite them as trustworthy on environmental issues? They said all that dust was not a big hazard in the days after 9/11. WRONG.
Reminding me as in the guy that just posted the real radiation numbers about that association (assuming Reuters has good data) is as pointless as screening pilots. And that assumes a properly working machine.
and speaking a properly working machines I won't get on an Airbus... uhuh, no way.
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Sionainn Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:29:00pm |
re: #31 elizajane
Oh come on. Only for guys.
I mean (TMI warning here) women have to have breast exams and gynecologist exams and PAP smears every single year and we've just realized that people don't go into these careers because it's FUN. It's routine and it's boring and anybody who's demented enough to imagine that the guard has been working this job for years just so he can touch THEIR amazingly wonderful nuts for two seconds through clothing, or ogle THEIR fuzzy silhouette on a scanner, is an egomaniac of the first order. A paranoid egomaniac.
Well said.
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:29:00pm |
I've lost track in this thread, so who is yelling at whom, and what side should I be on?
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jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:29:38pm |
re: #277 b_sharp
Go with the sniffer dogs, they're going to win. Cheap and effective.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:30:01pm |
re: #277 b_sharp
I've lost track in this thread, so who is yelling at whom, and what side should I be on?
just shoot at whatever moves...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:30:30pm |
re: #270 albusteve
why are Ca's flooding into NM?
We're looking for all those damn fed. tax dollars you've been sucking off of us for years. Duh!
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SteveC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:30:43pm |
re: #277 b_sharp
I've lost track in this thread, so who is yelling at whom, and what side should I be on?
Just jump in when you are ready and hang on the best you can!
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webevintage Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:31:14pm |
re: #277 b_sharp
I've lost track in this thread, so who is yelling at whom, and what side should I be on?
the cats
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:31:17pm |
re: #270 albusteve
why are Ca's flooding into NM?...you are in denial...
as for NM, Richardson DOUBLED the size of govt in the last few years...he digs it, thinks he's a cool surfer dude...notice NM voted in a conservative governor this month...Bill has the same addiction to taxes, subsidies, and deficit spending as any other donk
i notice you didn't remotely answer my question
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:31:59pm |
re: #271 jaunte
If you're gonna mess with Texas for that reason, at least be fair and hate on VT as well...
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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elizajane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:32:04pm |
re: #277 b_sharp
I've lost track in this thread, so who is yelling at whom, and what side should I be on?
You should be on the side of non-paranoid California women who don't mind paying taxes but do mind being called names by red-state teat-suckers.
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SteveC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:32:16pm |
re: #282 b_sharp
Can you say 'prostate exam'? I knew you could.
So now I need my ticket, my ID, and my Insurance card???
I give up.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:32:27pm |
re: #261 Slumbering Behemoth
I make no sense? Maybe if states like yours could figure out how to live off of what they generate, rather than bumming from us, we'd all be happy.
Oh, but no. It's much easier to bitch about how everyone else is gonna be stuck bailing out CA, when CA has been bailing out states like yours for years.
the feds own half of NM....we take the rent
I've lived here about 7 years, and I'm no apologist for corrupt NM politics, which is legendary....and I'm not discrediting anybody personally, we are all in it together, only CA is in it deeper, too deep....but excuse me if I offend individuals, that's not my intent...but CA is a perfect illustration to use, and all eyes are on the state to see what happens....what's gonna happen?
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:33:00pm |
re: #270 albusteve
you are in denial
no, i'm in one of the most prosperous and economically dynamic areas of the united states
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:33:06pm |
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jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:34:18pm |
re: #285 tradewind
Texas isn't the problem, it's Perry.
These people are just a club for eccentrics:
[Link: vermontrepublic.org...]
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:34:30pm |
re: #286 elizajane
You should be on the side of non-paranoid California women who don't mind paying taxes but do mind being called names by red-state teat-suckers.
Just point me the right direction.
BTW, I was bottle fed.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:34:35pm |
re: #244 Gus 802
Radiation was not his sole point, I saw him cite the fact the plane is the big weapon.
Funny, if you are just looking about info on ionizing radiation, you get very good advice. All unnecessary exposure should be avoided. Simple good advice. But when wingnuts abuse information like this it becomes an unwelcome factoid. We have empowered Brietbart and Jones beyond their wildest dreams via that simple error.
Now we have the same anger rightly aimed at Drudge aimed at the Pilots Union.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:34:37pm |
re: #289 albusteve
the feds own half of NM...we take the rent
I've lived here about 7 years, and I'm no apologist for corrupt NM politics, which is legendary...and I'm not discrediting anybody personally, we are all in it together, only CA is in it deeper, too deep...but excuse me if I offend individuals, that's not my intent...but CA is a perfect illustration to use, and all eyes are on the state to see what happens...what's gonna happen?
New Mexico still has nothing on Illinois for corruption, though.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:34:43pm |
re: #280 Slumbering Behemoth
We're looking for all those damn fed. tax dollars you've been sucking off of us for years. Duh!
I warn you...if you invade, the consequences will be grave...just ask the sissy Texans
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:34:47pm |
re: #282 b_sharp
Can you say 'prostate exam'? I knew you could.
Here's the TSA agent for your pat down search.
//
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:34:49pm |
re: #286 elizajane
You should be on the side of non-paranoid California women who don't mind paying taxes but do mind being called names by red-state teat-suckers.
We're paying for some nasty S&M. We give them our money, and they suck at our nipples while beating us down and calling us names.
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:34:52pm |
re: #289 albusteve
the feds own half of NM...we take the rent
I've lived here about 7 years, and I'm no apologist for corrupt NM politics, which is legendary...and I'm not discrediting anybody personally, we are all in it together, only CA is in it deeper, too deep...but excuse me if I offend individuals, that's not my intent...but CA is a perfect illustration to use, and all eyes are on the state to see what happens...what's gonna happen?
ca will continue to be one of the most prosperous and economically dynamic states in the country
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elizajane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:35:00pm |
re: #291 engineer dog
no, i'm in one of the most prosperous and economically dynamic areas of the united states
I'm up-dinging you but sometimes in the halls of a California State university (even the so-called flagship campus) it's hard to remember that....
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:35:32pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:36:00pm |
re: #289 albusteve
the feds own half of NM...we take the rent
I've lived here about 7 years, and I'm no apologist for corrupt NM politics, which is legendary...and I'm not discrediting anybody personally, we are all in it together, only CA is in it deeper, too deep...but excuse me if I offend individuals, that's not my intent...but CA is a perfect illustration to use, and all eyes are on the state to see what happens...what's gonna happen?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
when you break the legislative process, you fuck up government
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:36:43pm |
re: #284 engineer dog
i notice you didn't remotely answer my question
must have been forgettable...you can try again if you want
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:36:51pm |
re: #273 Obdicut
I'm not arguing the reality of the radiation. And you skipped my question. Anyway enough on this I have guests arriving and dinner at hand.
Have a fine evening, enjoy the thread. I'm out.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:36:55pm |
re: #302 elizajane
I'm up-dinging you but sometimes in the halls of a California State university (even the so-called flagship campus) it's hard to remember that...
Here's a handy reminder: California has France's GDP: [Link: bigthink.com...]
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:37:00pm |
re: #296 Rightwingconspirator
Radiation was not his sole point, I saw him cite the fact the plane is the big weapon.
Funny, if you are just looking about info on ionizing radiation, you get very good advice. All unnecessary exposure should be avoided. Simple good advice. But when wingnuts abuse information like this it becomes an unwelcome factoid. We have empowered Brietbart and Jones beyond their wildest dreams via that simple error.
Now we have the same anger rightly aimed at Drudge aimed at the Pilots Union.
Well. I'm pretty sure it's only a matter of time before pilots and aircrew are exempt.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:37:16pm |
re: #298 albusteve
We're not invading. Considering the amount of money we've paid over the years, we already own that land many times over. We're gonna rename it New California. Or maybe California Lite. :P
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:37:24pm |
re: #309 Gus 802
Waaay overdue. Gotta go!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:37:26pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:37:53pm |
re: #307 Rightwingconspirator
I'd cite the EPA as very sound on environmental issues that aren't one-of-a-kind, unprecedented events, yes.
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SteveC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:37:58pm |
re: #301 engineer dog
ca will continue to be one of the most prosperous and economically dynamic states in the country
Next thing you know ol' Jed's a millionaire,
His family said "Jed! Move away from there!"
"California is the place you oughta be!'
So they loaded up the truck
and they moved to Beverly!
Hills, that is.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:38:08pm |
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:38:09pm |
re: #291 engineer dog
no, i'm in one of the most prosperous and economically dynamic areas of the united states
I'm thinking palm trees, nevertheless
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theheat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:38:48pm |
Update: one of the local Dems called me back and I'm slated for the next meeting. Had a really, really, nice long chat, and I can't wait to meet some of others from around here. I'm actually pretty excited. [blushes]
Whew. Relief.
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:38:58pm |
re: #299 Gus 802
Here's the TSA agent for your pat down search.
//
I'll take both the pat down and the prostate exam, please. Twice.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:39:04pm |
re: #308 jaunte
Let's just hope they don't share work ethics./
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:40:09pm |
re: #318 b_sharp
I'll take both the pat down and the prostate exam, please. Twice.
sorry there is a 6 month wait for prostate exams...
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sizzleRI Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:40:42pm |
re: #297 Dark_Falcon
My state totally beats Illinois for corruption, and we're run by Democrats! Sadly no one ever wants to beat on us in these threads, too small. And they say size doesn't matter. Boo.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:41:22pm |
re: #319 tradewind
Without a California tech work ethic, we wouldn't be here on this website, on these computers, having this conversation.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:41:32pm |
re: #297 Dark_Falcon
New Mexico still has nothing on Illinois for corruption, though.
read up...it's in the same league, easily....why do you think that statehood was resisted for 65yrs?....bunch of gangsters down here to this day...Bill Richardson is the most corrupt gov in this time...pure, 100% NM dirt
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brookly red Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:42:10pm |
re: #322 jaunte
Without a California tech work ethic, we wouldn't be here on this website, on these computers, having this conversation.
hmmm, let me think on that...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:42:11pm |
re: #322 jaunte
Without a California tech work ethic, we wouldn't be here on this website, on these computers, having this conversation.
Yep!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:42:43pm |
Well, my stomach seems to think it's dinner time, so I'm gonna make it shut up.
When those of you from other states drive home tonight on one of your roads or highways, and sit down to a nice meal with fresh produce, remember to thank a Californian for giving you many of those things. You're welcome.
Laters y'all.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:43:08pm |
re: #309 Gus 802
Well. I'm pretty sure it's only a matter of time before pilots and aircrew are exempt.
That would seem appropriate. They should be subject to periodic checks to ensure they are not keeping questionable company, but provided tham is done I have no problem exempting them.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:43:15pm |
re: #326 Slumbering Behemoth
Well, my stomach seems to think it's dinner time, so I'm gonna make it shut up.
When those of you from other states drive home tonight on one of your roads or highways, and sit down to a nice meal with fresh produce, remember to thank a Californian for giving you many of those things. You're welcome.
Laters y'all.
and don't forget the bay area thrash *_*
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Basho Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:44:05pm |
They're just private parts. Having some trained guy take a peek at it for two seconds won't give him the ability to put a curse on you. Sheesh.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:44:12pm |
We lead the world in the manufacture and defense of Granfalloons.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:44:14pm |
re: #301 engineer dog
ca will continue to be one of the most prosperous and economically dynamic states in the country
I hope so, but CA has fallen far already
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:44:19pm |
This is another massive media fail like the mysterious "missile" launch last week. The Media has been frothing over the salacious bogus groping videos from Drudge and Alex Jones without question. Are the American People Outraged?
The Full-Body Backlash
By NATE SILVER
As full-body scanners come into more widespread use in American airports (they will be phased in soon at the three major airports in the New York City metro region), they are also coming under more frequent criticism.
....
Just as we were posting this item, a new poll came in from CBS News showing 81 percent of Americans supporting the full body scans.
Outrageous outrage!
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:44:48pm |
re: #327 Dark_Falcon
That would seem appropriate. They should be subject to periodic checks to ensure they are not keeping questionable company, but provided tham is done I have no problem exempting them.
Identification would remain important. IOW, can't just let anyone through that "looks like a pilot".
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:45:22pm |
re: #315 brookly red
LOL@
[Link: www.mediaite.com...]
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:45:51pm |
re: #330 jaunte
We lead the world in the manufacture and defense of Granfalloons.
An upding just for the Vonnegut reference.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:45:56pm |
re: #326 Slumbering Behemoth
Well, my stomach seems to think it's dinner time, so I'm gonna make it shut up.
When those of you from other states drive home tonight on one of your roads or highways, and sit down to a nice meal with fresh produce, remember to thank a Californian for giving you many of those things. You're welcome.
Laters y'all.
Here in Illinois we grow quite a bit of produce of our own produce, and export a good deal more. And we get our cheese from Wisconsin. So you and we are even.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:46:16pm |
re: #332 Killgore Trout
This is another massive media fail like the mysterious "missile" launch last week. The Media has been frothing over the salacious bogus groping videos from Drudge and Alex Jones without question. Are the American People Outraged?
The Full-Body Backlash
By NATE SILVEROutrageous outrage!
It isn't the average person that buys this stuff, it's the sort of person who watches cable news and thinks it's actual information and that it's not craven manipulation. YOUR NUTS WILL BE JUGGLED BY TSA WORKERS, RUN
easily manipulated people get hysterical, whooo
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elizajane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:46:19pm |
re: #308 jaunte
Here's a handy reminder: California has France's GDP: [Link: bigthink.com...]
Thanks. Wonder how their universities are doing. I taught in a Dutch university last year and it made me really, really appreciate the University of California, bless its over-beaurocratized, inefficient, yet idealistic heart.
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SteveC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:46:49pm |
re: #329 Basho
They're just private parts. Having some trained guy take a peek at it for two seconds won't give him the ability to put a curse on you. Sheesh.
But they are MY private parts, and if you touch them you had better be female, single, hot, and ready to get nekked and do the Hokey-Pokey, 'cause that's what it's all about!
///
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:46:59pm |
re: #337 Dark_Falcon
Here in Illinois we grow quite a bit of produce of our own produce, and export a good deal more. And we get our cheese from Wisconsin. So you and we are even.
It varies per year. This is from 2008 when Florida was numero uno:
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:47:13pm |
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:47:19pm |
re: #322 jaunte
Easy, it was the French work ethic I was skewering.
Riots over raising retirement to 62/
Zut alors!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:47:47pm |
re: #301 engineer dog
ca will continue to be one of the most prosperous and economically dynamic states in the country
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jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:48:20pm |
re: #339 elizajane
That must have been a great experience. I've really enjoyed Holland when I've gotten to go there. What were the big differences you experienced at the university?
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:48:27pm |
re: #341 Gus 802
It varies per year. This is from 2008 when Florida was numero uno:
Which is from Illinois Is Trying. It Really Is. But the Most Corrupt State Is Actually . . .
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Basho Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:48:49pm |
Great job by Colbert, asking Jeff if he would ride Zero Security Airways. Really showed how much thought he put into his stupid argument.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:49:00pm |
re: #343 engineer dog
federal stimulus dollars, per capita
ca $1,635
nm $1,741
[Link: economix.blogs.nytimes.com...]
what is the point?...have you ever been out here by chance?
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elizajane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:49:12pm |
re: #337 Dark_Falcon
Here in Illinois we grow quite a bit of produce of our own produce, and export a good deal more. And we get our cheese from Wisconsin. So you and we are even.
You grow lots of grain. Unless you want a diet of bread ("let them eat cake!") you need the lovely Californian Central Valley for your fruits and veggies.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:49:43pm |
re: #344 tradewind
Yeah, that was pretty silly/inflexible, I thought.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:50:23pm |
re: #338 WindUpBird
It isn't the average person that buys this stuff, it's the sort of person who watches cable news and thinks it's actual information and that it's not craven manipulation. YOUR NUTS WILL BE JUGGLED BY TSA WORKERS, RUN
easily manipulated people get hysterical, whooo
However, WUB, it bears saying that the opinions of those who watch cable news matter more than those of ordinary people, because those who watch cable news are much more likely to vote.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:50:53pm |
re: #350 elizajane
You grow lots of grain. Unless you want a diet of bread ("let them eat cake!") you need the lovely Californian Central Valley for your fruits and veggies.
so what's the unemployment rate in your valley?...foreclosure rate?...when are they gonna open up the river for lettuce again?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:50:53pm |
re: #345 Dark_Falcon
have you ever even been to the bay area?
Do you know how much corporate and tech culture, how many decades of tech expertise is there? it's not going anywhere.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:51:14pm |
re: #350 elizajane
Or your ( hopefully) local farmers.
Think Globally, Eat Locally./
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:52:06pm |
re: #354 WindUpBird
How much Stanford, Caltech, UC Berkeley, UCLA there is, for that matter.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:52:19pm |
re: #277 b_sharp
I've lost track in this thread, so who is yelling at whom, and what side should I be on?
The questions tonight:
1. Should airline personnel have to be scanned?
2. Should anyone have to be scanned?
3. Instead of scanners, should we use dogs?
4. Instead of dogs, should we use giant rats?
5. Was Flight 800 an accident?
6. Should California be sawn off from the rest of the United States and made into a bird sanctuary?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:52:51pm |
re: #352 Dark_Falcon
However, WUB, it bears saying that the opinions of those who watch cable news matter more than those of ordinary people, because those who watch cable news are much more likely to vote.
I'd like to see that study, and does that study differentiate between people who don't wach cable news because they know that cable news is as reliable as a carnival barker, and those who simply don't watch news at all?
I'm specifically talking about people who watch cable news a lot, who are getting their "news" from heavily editorialized, lowest common denominator pundit shows.
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:52:51pm |
re: #351 jaunte
Yeah, that was pretty silly/inflexible, I thought.
Those weird French, always rioting. Look at what they did when Marie offered to let them eat cake.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:52:54pm |
re: #354 WindUpBird
Except in little bits and bytes, to Chinese labs..../
' We took it one piece at a time, and it didn't cost us a dime '.....
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ozbloke Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:54:02pm |
re: #357 SanFranciscoZionist
The questions tonight:
1. Should airline personnel have to be scanned?
2. Should anyone have to be scanned?
3. Instead of scanners, should we use dogs?
4. Instead of dogs, should we use giant rats?
5. Was Flight 800 an accident?
6. Should California be sawn off from the rest of the United States and made into a bird sanctuary?
Hi SFZ,
You forgot my #198
7. How many arms do most Americans have.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:54:03pm |
re: #332 Killgore Trout
This is another massive media fail like the mysterious "missile" launch last week. The Media has been frothing over the salacious bogus groping videos from Drudge and Alex Jones without question. Are the American People Outraged?
The Full-Body Backlash
By NATE SILVEROutrageous outrage!
It really is a media fail and once again CNN seems to be oddly following some of the hysterical coverage. This sort of reminds me of what Jon Stewart was talking about last week and how the media sells hysteria. They're not helping at all. Oh, and I have yet to see even one "groping" video. All the ones I've seen are Libertarian-dorks doing a lot of talking.
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:54:16pm |
re: #345 Dark_Falcon
sounds just like all the other predictions of imminent doom that i've heard about ca for the last 30 years
| 365 |
sizzleRI Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:54:28pm |
re: #341 Gus 802
Too funny, RI is way low on that list. I am going with the theory that its because we don't prosecute, never mind convict or corrupt politicians.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:54:41pm |
re: #356 Obdicut
How much Stanford, Caltech, UC Berkeley, UCLA there is, for that matter.
yes *_*
Fuck, Art Center in pasadena, people have no idea how many cars they drive, how many industrial designs they take for granted that were created from graduates of that single school.
I was told that to get into Art Center, I essentially needed to go to another art school just to have a portfolio good enough for them to even look at it. and I said UHHHH o_o
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:54:53pm |
re: #357 SanFranciscoZionist
The questions tonight:
1. Should airline personnel have to be scanned?
2. Should anyone have to be scanned?
3. Instead of scanners, should we use dogs?
4. Instead of dogs, should we use giant rats?
5. Was Flight 800 an accident?
6. Should California be sawn off from the rest of the United States and made into a bird sanctuary?
Can I just blanket answer all questions with a 'yes' and grab a beer?
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:55:14pm |
re: #349 albusteve
what is the point?...have you ever been out here by chance?
i live in ca
sorry the facts don't fit your ideas
i'm assuming you live in nm - am i wrong?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:55:45pm |
re: #310 Slumbering Behemoth
We're not invading. Considering the amount of money we've paid over the years, we already own that land many times over. We're gonna rename it New California. Or maybe California Lite. :P
I'm enjoying this. Perhaps too much.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:55:58pm |
re: #364 engineer dog
sounds just like all the other predictions of imminent doom that i've heard about ca for the last 30 years
forget about doom...how will CA pay it's bills?, like, what's the plan?
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:57:04pm |
re: #361 jaunte
Tumbrils at dawn!
Can we make it about 10ish? I hate waking up early, I tend to lose my head.
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theheat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:57:15pm |
re: #357 SanFranciscoZionist
The questions tonight:
1. Should airline personnel have to be scanned? / Yes
2. Should anyone have to be scanned? / Yes
3. Instead of scanners, should we use dogs?/ Terriers!
4. Instead of dogs, should we use giant rats?/ Rat Terriers!
5. Was Flight 800 an accident?/ Probably.
6. Should California be sawn off from the rest of the United States and made into a bird sanctuary?/ A series of wineries and art museums.
| 374 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:57:15pm |
re: #171 Slumbering Behemoth
Bah. Cats play people, not pianos.
I'll sing you a song, I'm the piano cat
I'll sing you a song right now
'Cause you look like you could use a melody
So sit back and hear me meow.
(courtesy of Kingdom of Loathing)
| 375 |
Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:57:28pm |
re: #357 SanFranciscoZionist
The questions tonight:
1. Should airline personnel have to be scanned?
2. Should anyone have to be scanned?
3. Instead of scanners, should we use dogs?
4. Instead of dogs, should we use giant rats?
5. Was Flight 800 an accident?
6. Should California be sawn off from the rest of the United States and made into a bird sanctuary?
1. No - But yes if their is suspicious behavior observed.
2. No since they are given the option for a pat down search. AIT is optimal.
3. Dogs can only locate traceable odors so they're severely limited.
4. Giant rats sounds cool but you know how people are.
5. Yes.
6. Yes ;)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:57:37pm |
re: #364 engineer dog
sounds just like all the other predictions of imminent doom that i've heard about ca for the last 30 years
There seem to be a lot of people who are emotionally invested in hating California
And haters gonna hate no matter what, it's one of the big eyeopening things about this blog versus the other online places I hang out, which are frequented by artists and coders and engineers and guys who, yep, often reside in California, because that's where so much of the American brain trust is. Seems like every day there's more hate-on and more CALIFORNIA IS DOOMED! HAR DE HAR!
| 377 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:57:48pm |
re: #342 Basho
Great post.
Thanks. I knew the videos were bogus but even I was starting to buy into the idea that there was massive outrage brewing just because the press was covering it. It's easy to get suckered into this stuff. Nobody's outraged and people are generally supportive of the body scanners. It's all manufactured bullshit.
| 378 |
engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:58:04pm |
state by state per capita share of federal stimulus
shows that ca per capita share of stimulus money was on the low end
so much for all of you guys' arguments about how we're sucking up the juice
| 379 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:58:15pm |
re: #371 albusteve
forget about doom...how will CA pay it's bills?, like, what's the plan?
get rid of this, for one: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 380 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:58:22pm |
re: #316 albusteve
I'm thinking palm trees, nevertheless
A dear friend of mine once turned down the opportunity to do some work at an American-owned mine in the HELLANDGONE of Colombia.
They told her, as part of the pitch, that Colombia isn't like they say on the news, it's, like, totally normal. The mine is like a resort! "We even have palm trees," the guy told her.*
Since then, "they even have palm trees" has been a bit of a running joke between us.
*Meanwhile a Colombian coworker was e-mailing her every fifteen minutes with graphic news stories from back home, titled PLEASE DON'T TAKE THAT JOB.
| 381 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:58:33pm |
re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm enjoying this. Perhaps too much.
yeah, CA picking on NM over fed dollars?....hahaha!
people need to get out more
| 382 |
Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:58:34pm |
Serious immigration reform could help the CA economy, but the GOP and Tea party will make sure no sane effort gets looked at.
| 383 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:58:44pm |
re: #350 elizajane
You grow lots of grain. Unless you want a diet of bread ("let them eat cake!") you need the lovely Californian Central Valley for your fruits and veggies.
I could deal with that loss of taste and variety in exchange for not owning someone else something. I'm fairly anti-California these days and as long as the Democrats have the state in their hands that's not likely to change. Jerry Brown might change my mind, and I'll give him a chance, but I do not expect he will succeed.
| 384 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:58:46pm |
re: #378 engineer dog
state by state per capita share of federal stimulus
shows that ca per capita share of stimulus money was on the low end
so much for all of you guys' arguments about how we're sucking up the juice
facts are hard!
| 385 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:59:38pm |
re: #383 Dark_Falcon
Could you deal with the loss of the internet?
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:00:07pm |
re: #371 albusteve
forget about doom...how will CA pay it's bills?, like, what's the plan?
oh, did your state have a budget surplus this year? how will your state pay its bills?
our budget crisis is over for the year and the money has been found
also, the state is not just made up of the state government, ya know...
| 387 |
Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:00:37pm |
| 388 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:00:55pm |
re: #376 WindUpBird
There seem to be a lot of people who are emotionally invested in hating California
And haters gonna hate no matter what, it's one of the big eyeopening things about this blog versus the other online places I hang out, which are frequented by artists and coders and engineers and guys who, yep, often reside in California, because that's where so much of the American brain trust is. Seems like every day there's more hate-on and more CALIFORNIA IS DOOMED! HAR DE HAR!
what a drama queen....hate!
your blog sensitivities are usually entertaining tho
| 389 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:00:56pm |
re: #386 engineer dog
oh, did your state have a budget surplus this year? how will your state pay its bills?
our budget crisis is over for the year and the money has been found
also, the state is not just made up of the state government, ya know...
I can't imagine how the CA hate-on would have been like on LGF in like 2006 or 2007, yowsa
| 390 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:01:08pm |
re: #371 albusteve
forget about doom...how will CA pay it's bills?, like, what's the plan?
Get back to us when NM and other states stop using CA's money to pay their bills.
/look at that, I can eat and type at the same time.
| 391 |
Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:01:08pm |
re: #385 WindUpBird
Could you deal with the loss of the internet?
We're going to have to when the next big CME hits in the next few years.
| 392 |
Basho Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:01:21pm |
Goldberg's rant was a great demonstration of everything wrong with America: Puritan rooted shame trumping common sense, the sense of entitlement that we should be able to fly 30,000 ft in the sky without being bothered, and of course, the scientific ignorance that people are getting zapped by RADIATION.
| 393 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:01:28pm |
re: #387 Obdicut
How can you be anti-a-state?
I don't really get that.
It's a state.
Well, San Francisco is apparently anti american because whatever I don't know
| 394 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:01:43pm |
re: #359 b_sharp
Those weird French, always rioting. Look at what they did when Marie offered to let them eat cake.
To you King Louie we say fooey.
You disappointed all of France.
But then what else could we expect
From a king in silk stockings
And pink satin pants.
You filled your stomach with chop suey.
And also crepe suzettes and steak.
And when they told your wife Marie
That nobody had bread, she said
"Let 'em eat cake."
We're gonna take you and the Queen
Down to the guillotine,
It's somewhere in the heart of town.
And when that fella's through
With what he's gonna do,
You'll have no place to hang your crown.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:01:43pm |
re: #363 Gus 802
It really is a media fail and once again CNN seems to be oddly following some of the hysterical coverage. This sort of reminds me of what Jon Stewart was talking about last week and how the media sells hysteria. They're not helping at all. Oh, and I have yet to see even one "groping" video. All the ones I've seen are Libertarian-dorks doing a lot of talking.
This is all a Drudge/Alex Jones perpetrated hoax. The lesson they've learned is that if they work together they call make these things happen. Get ready for more because they've been rewarded. They'll keep doing this until they end up like Breitbart's bogus videos.
| 396 |
Ojoe Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:01:47pm |
re: #29 WindUpBird
This blog is much diminished by puerile remarks such as yours.
| 397 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:01:52pm |
Out for the gym...re: #389 WindUpBird
I can't imagine how the CA hate-on would have been like on LGF in like 2006 or 2007, yowsa
You mean when it was partisan?
| 398 |
Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:02:10pm |
re: #395 Killgore Trout
This is all a Drudge/Alex Jones perpetrated hoax. The lesson they've learned is that if they work together they call make these things happen. Get ready for more because they've been rewarded. They'll keep doing this until they end up like Breitbart's bogus videos.
ACORN = TSA?
| 399 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:02:13pm |
re: #388 albusteve
what a drama queen...hate!
your blog sensitivities are usually entertaining tho
I could actually literally search through LGF and find the hate, but I know you don't care
| 400 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:02:13pm |
re: #394 SanFranciscoZionist
To you King Louie we say fooey.
You disappointed all of France.
But then what else could we expect
From a king in silk stockings
And pink satin pants.
You filled your stomach with chop suey.
And also crepe suzettes and steak.
And when they told your wife Marie
That nobody had bread, she said
"Let 'em eat cake."
We're gonna take you and the Queen
Down to the guillotine,
It's somewhere in the heart of town.
And when that fella's through
With what he's gonna do,
You'll have no place to hang your crown.
Alan Sherman fan... huh?
| 401 |
celticdragon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:02:14pm |
re: #12 elizajane
What I learned from watching this clip:
Guys are really, really nervous about letting other guys touch their bodies. Positively paranoiac. Terrified that some deeply repressed gayness will come out.
That must be why this little privacy hissy-fit is happening at the same time as the fuss about DADT. I get it now.
Actually, I think a lot of guys are also terrified of TSA assholes getting off on nude pix of their 17 year old daughters.
***************************
Last week, one of my flying partners (Captain with Skywest) was going through security at DEN with his 18 year daughter. As his daughter approached the detector, the TSO working the NoS said on his headset, "heads up, got a cutie for you." He then confronted the TSA clerk with what he said and that neither of us are going through the NoS. The TSA clerk said you must have misunderstood me.
He said pat-down was pretty evasive, and his daughter felt uncomfortable.
He is taking it up with Skywest, with this behavior. Normally, crews there go through a different screening area, but since he was with his daughter, he got to see the TSA clerks at their finest in Denver.
Its stoiries like this, is why I will not go through the NoS (radiation/health issues) and even refuse the the pat-down thus (if it happens while on duty) canceling the flight due to a hostile work environment.
**********
You don't have assume homophobia when you have idiots like this alerting each other that cute jailbait is on the way to leer at legally.
Check out some of the femal fliers or their male companions in the comments who have been singled out to have their boobs scanned or had their spouse/coworkers singled out for gratuitous boob scans.
Fuck that. I'll take the train.
| 402 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:02:22pm |
re: #386 engineer dog
oh, did your state have a budget surplus this year? how will your state pay its bills?
our budget crisis is over for the year and the money has been found
also, the state is not just made up of the state government, ya know...
golly, you dodged my question....ha!
can I ask again?
| 403 |
Ojoe Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:02:36pm |
re: #42 WindUpBird
Well, I'm sure when there's a Republican in the white house, it'll magically no longer be an issue to you :)
You are an idiot.
| 404 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:02:57pm |
re: #354 WindUpBird
have you ever even been to the bay area?
Do you know how much corporate and tech culture, how many decades of tech expertise is there? it's not going anywhere.
It can move and without reform it likely will. People aren't going to just let taxes rise without limit, they'll move to Arizona or Nevada instead. California needs pension reform, and very badly. It will be very painful, and good people will get screwed, but the whole state is hosed unless it fixes its finances and that means spending must decline.
| 406 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:03:05pm |
| 407 |
SteveC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:03:19pm |
re: #389 WindUpBird
I can't imagine how the CA hate-on would have been like on LGF in like 2006 or 2007, yowsa
WLGF-AM, this just coming over the news wires: the California Two Minute Hate is going into OVERTIME!
| 408 |
sizzleRI Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:03:41pm |
re: #383 Dark_Falcon
How can someone be anti a state in their country? Seriously, many people on this board get upset when comments are made about the south, but a general anti-California bias is ok? Weird.
| 409 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:03:45pm |
re: #378 engineer dog
state by state per capita share of federal stimulus
shows that ca per capita share of stimulus money was on the low end
so much for all of you guys' arguments about how we're sucking up the juice
Heh. California is the juice. Many other states depend on our tax dollars to cover their asses, and it makes them sick. They're like junkies who hate their dealer, but can't help themselves, can't keep themselves from coming back year after year.
| 411 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:04:33pm |
re: #381 albusteve
yeah, CA picking on NM over fed dollars?...hahaha!
people need to get out more
No, someone kicking around the 'true knowledge about California' meme a bit.
| 412 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:04:49pm |
re: #389 WindUpBird
I can't imagine how the CA hate-on would have been like on LGF in like 2006 or 2007, yowsa
who hates CA?....ever had kids?
wtf are you always talking hate?
| 413 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:04:50pm |
re: #396 Ojoe
This blog is much diminished by puerile remarks such as yours.
man, i know, and i'm always getting warned that i'll lose my account if I continue making them
OH WAIT, NEVER MIND THAT WAS YOU WHO GOT WARNED
so yeah, come back when you have something to say plz
| 414 |
tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:04:50pm |
re: #395 Killgore Trout
Alex and Drudge and Breitbart, Oh My!
You're scaring little children.
Isn't it hilarious to picture BB actually helping startup Huffpo?
| 415 |
engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:05:09pm |
re: #402 albusteve
golly, you dodged my question...ha!
can I ask again?
for the third time: didn't your state run a budget deficit too?
can you answer now or is it still too hard?
| 416 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:06:14pm |
re: #387 Obdicut
How can you be anti-a-state?
I don't really get that.
It's a state.
I'm anti-Louisiana, but only the part where my in-laws live. Not the part where Reine lives, or New Orleans, because, you know, New Orleans is cool.
Really, I'm just anti- about thirteen acres of Louisiana, owned by my husband's grandparents. And I'm willing to be tolerant of them, but only if we never have to visit again.
| 417 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:06:35pm |
re: #387 Obdicut
How can you be anti-a-state?
I don't really get that.
It's a state.
I'm more anti-machine politics, and I see Cali as being in the grips of such a machine. I don't hate California, I hate it's politics.
| 418 |
tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:06:49pm |
re: #404 Dark_Falcon
It's not only pensions and unions, although those are factors. It's boatloads of regulations that cripple economic growth and development, and mandates that cause businesses to run the other way.
| 419 |
engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:06:53pm |
the movie version:
CALIFORNIA YOU WILL DIE EPISODE 32 THIS TIME WE MEAN IT NO KIDDING WE GOTS MAGAZINE ARTICLES PROVING IT WILL REALLY HAPPEN THIS TIME
| 420 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:07:05pm |
re: #408 sizzleRI
How can someone be anti a state in their country? Seriously, many people on this board get upset when comments are made about the south, but a general anti-California bias is ok? Weird.
No it's not, really. Also, I think you'll find more folks here being vocal about sticking up for CA than the south in general.
| 421 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:07:10pm |
| 422 |
SteveC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:07:28pm |
re: #408 sizzleRI
How can someone be anti a state in their country? Seriously, many people on this board get upset when comments are made about the south, but a general anti-California bias is ok? Weird.
Roll with it. I'm in the South (have been all my life) and I make fun of us. Take the good natured ribbing, too.
| 423 |
elizajane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:07:51pm |
re: #394 SanFranciscoZionist
To you King Louie we say fooey.
You disappointed all of France.
But then what else could we expect
From a king in silk stockings
And pink satin pants.
You filled your stomach with chop suey.
And also crepe suzettes and steak.
And when they told your wife Marie
That nobody had bread, she said
"Let 'em eat cake."
We're gonna take you and the Queen
Down to the guillotine,
It's somewhere in the heart of town.
And when that fella's through
With what he's gonna do,
You'll have no place to hang your crown.
Alan Sherman!! Love it!!
You went the wrong way old King Louie
You made the population cry,
Coz all you did was sit and pet
with Marie Antoinette
in your place at Versailles
| 424 |
Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:08:07pm |
re: #404 Dark_Falcon
Dark, you have repeatedly proven that you don't actually understand the complexity of what is up with California budgets.
So can you please not make pronouncements about it?
It's really, pretty fucking dense and complicated.
| 425 |
Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:08:46pm |
re: #417 Dark_Falcon
I'm more anti-machine politics, and I see Cali as being in the grips of such a machine. I don't hate California, I hate it's politics.
You don't really understand California politics, Dark.
| 426 |
sizzleRI Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:08:52pm |
re: #420 Slumbering Behemoth
Fair. But I was just taken aback by DF's comment. Kind of blew my mind is all.
| 427 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:08:58pm |
re: #416 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm anti-Louisiana, but only the part where my in-laws live. Not the part where Reine lives, or New Orleans, because, you know, New Orleans is cool.
Really, I'm just anti- about thirteen acres of Louisiana, owned by my husband's grandparents. And I'm willing to be tolerant of them, but only if we never have to visit again.
Heh.
I'm anti-that general area of La. myself.
I'm just happy you don't want to get rid of the south, entirely.
Like a few do.
| 428 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:09:08pm |
re: #414 tradewind
Alex and Drudge and Breitbart, Oh My!
You're scaring little children.
Isn't it hilarious to picture BB actually helping startup Huffpo?
That's simply a black mark against HuffPo, though to be fair Ariana Huffington has never created a fraud like Breitbart's Shirley Sherrod travesty.
| 429 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:09:45pm |
re: #417 Dark_Falcon
I'm more anti-machine politics, and I see Cali as being in the grips of such a machine. I don't hate California, I hate it's politics.
If you hate 'machines' so much, start carrying around a monkey wrench.
| 430 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:09:49pm |
re: #419 engineer dog
the movie version:
CALIFORNIA YOU WILL DIE EPISODE 32 THIS TIME WE MEAN IT NO KIDDING WE GOTS MAGAZINE ARTICLES PROVING IT WILL REALLY HAPPEN THIS TIME
AND WE'LL ALL THROUGH A BIG FAT PARTY WHEN THAT EVIL STATE HAS SLID INTO THE SEA, TAKING MORE THAN HALF OR OUR FOOD SUPPLY WITH IT.
RICKETS AND SCURVY FOR EVERYONE! YIPPIE!!!
| 431 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:10:12pm |
re: #424 Obdicut
Dark, you have repeatedly proven that you don't actually understand the complexity of what is up with California budgets.
So can you please not make pronouncements about it?
It's really, pretty fucking dense and complicated.
Enlighten me.
| 432 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:10:17pm |
re: #400 Walter L. Newton
Alan Sherman fan... huh?
Won't you come home, Disraeli. Won't you come home.
Come home to Queen Victoria.
Don't leave that House of Commons, and that House of Lords.
Just sittin' waitin' for ya.
I'm gettin' awful lonesome, 'cause all I do
Is sit here reading Ethan Frome.
Now don't leave me flat,
The key to the palace is under the mat.
Disraeli, won't you please come home.
| 433 |
tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:10:33pm |
| 434 |
SteveC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:10:59pm |
re: #430 Slumbering Behemoth
RICKETS AND SCURVY FOR EVERYONE! YIPPIE!!!
Can i pass on the scurvy and get a double order of rickets?
| 435 |
sizzleRI Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:11:03pm |
re: #422 SteveC
Its funny, one of the first nights I posted I talked with Reine about how much I love the south, my mother and extended family are in Tennessee, have been since the 18th century. I'm not from California, I'm a New Englander, just thought the blatant CA-hate tonight was over the top.
| 436 |
Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:11:37pm |
re: #401 celticdragon
Why does that story change from a TSO agent to a TSA agent?
| 437 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:11:44pm |
anybody that tries to contrast for argument's sake, the differences between the economy of NM as opposed to that of CA is anal in the extreme...no two could be less like for comparison, what a joke...the differences mean nothing
| 438 |
Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:11:55pm |
re: #431 Dark_Falcon
Enlighten me.
We've been through this conversation many times before, Dark. I'm sick and tired of it.
Why do you think that you understand Californian politics?
| 439 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:12:27pm |
re: #430 Slumbering Behemoth
AND WE'LL ALL THROUGH A BIG FAT PARTY
Or "throw", as it were.
/I guess I can't eat and type at the same time.
| 440 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:12:35pm |
re: #435 sizzleRI
Its funny, one of the first nights I posted I talked with Reine about how much I love the south, my mother and extended family are in Tennessee, have been since the 18th century. I'm not from California, I'm a New Englander, just thought the blatant CA-hate tonight was over the top.
Yes you did do that with me.
And yes, anti-any state (or region) in general is very very tiresome.
How boring would life be if we were all the same, eh?
| 442 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:12:52pm |
re: #420 Slumbering Behemoth
No it's not, really. Also, I think you'll find more folks here being vocal about sticking up for CA than the south in general.
I don't know very much about the South. Except that my husband's in-laws are there. And they are all crazy as hell!
Other than that...
| 443 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:13:29pm |
re: #440 reine.de.tout
Yes you did do that with me.
And yes, anti-any state (or region) in general is very very tiresome.
How boring would life be if we were all the same, eh?
I'm anti-Idaho.
Damn potatoes.
/
| 444 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:13:45pm |
re: #442 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know very much about the South. Except that my husband's in-laws are there. And they are all crazy as hell!
Other than that...
You really gotta get to South Louisiana.
Whole different ambience.
| 445 |
tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:13:46pm |
re: #428 Dark_Falcon
I wouldn't be so sure....and now it's in the courts.
[Link: www.techdirt.com...]
| 446 |
jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:13:49pm |
re: #442 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know very much about the South. Except that my husband's in-laws are there. And they are all crazy as hell!
Hey, me too!
| 447 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:13:58pm |
re: #427 reine.de.tout
Heh.
I'm anti-that general area of La. myself.I'm just happy you don't want to get rid of the south, entirely.
Like a few do.
I have no issues with the South.
| 448 |
sizzleRI Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:14:02pm |
re: #440 reine.de.tout
Heh, I got a little hot there, not even sure why! I just wanted to make sure it didn't seem like I was taking a cut at the south tonight, especially since we'd had such a nice back and forth before.
| 449 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:14:14pm |
re: #434 SteveC
Can i pass on the scurvy and get a double order of rickets?
I had rickets once, made me look like a Neanderthal.
Choose scurvy and you get to ride on a pirate ship.
| 450 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:14:27pm |
re: #437 albusteve
anybody that tries to contrast for argument's sake, the differences between the economy of NM as opposed to that of CA is anal in the extreme...no two could be less like for comparison, what a joke...the differences mean nothing
Shove it, turkey. You cry and cry about CA, making claims without substance, then bitch like this when you get schooled? Pathetic.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:14:43pm |
re: #420 Slumbering Behemoth
No it's not, really. Also, I think you'll find more folks here being vocal about sticking up for CA than the south in general.
You're mah favorite sleepy elephant!
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tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:14:50pm |
re: #444 reine.de.tout
And da best dam food on the planet.
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SteveC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:15:02pm |
re: #443 Varek Raith
I'm anti-Idaho.
Damn potatoes.
/
The hell with West Virginia. They still sell cigarettes and beer to miners.
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sizzleRI Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:15:23pm |
re: #440 reine.de.tout
Kind of funny that I went from an individual state to an entire region, that's not right. Hmmm, will have to think on that.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:15:24pm |
re: #438 Obdicut
We've been through this conversation many times before, Dark. I'm sick and tired of it.
Why do you think that you understand Californian politics?
I know what I've read. You tell me there is more. I've made my nic blue, would you be willing to send me a link or two with your additional info?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:15:29pm |
re: #435 sizzleRI
Its funny, one of the first nights I posted I talked with Reine about how much I love the south, my mother and extended family are in Tennessee, have been since the 18th century. I'm not from California, I'm a New Englander, just thought the blatant CA-hate tonight was over the top.
I drove through Providence, once!
(Man, I am cosmopolitan...)
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jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:15:30pm |
re: #447 SanFranciscoZionist
We maintain the National Repository of Muggy.
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SteveC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:15:58pm |
re: #449 b_sharp
I had rickets once, made me look like a Neanderthal.
Choose scurvy and you get to ride on a pirate ship.
WAITER! Change my order....?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:16:51pm |
re: #444 reine.de.tout
You really gotta get to South Louisiana.
Whole different ambience.
I really would like to visit. I'd like to see New Orleans. I just don't know if I could EAT much in New Orleans. Someone who keeps kosher visiting the LA coast just seems like a waste of time.
I do like beignets. And coffee.
| 461 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:17:04pm |
To be fair, I'm more of a anti-humidity region kind of person.
You gots high humidity, I can'ts deals with its.
;)
| 462 |
Basho Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:17:13pm |
I'm not going through that xray because of my health.. I'll take the damn train. Oh no, I hear those overhead wires have electromagnetic RADIATION!! ahhhhhh
| 464 |
sizzleRI Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:17:29pm |
re: #457 SanFranciscoZionist
Haha, I visited San Francisco, oh about 13 years ago. I love your city! University of California Berkeley was my dream school. It was not to be.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:17:51pm |
re: #447 SanFranciscoZionist
I have no issues with the South.
I know.
And I have no issues with anywhere else. I love it all, actually.
It's a wonderful country we've got ourselves.
re: #448 sizzleRI
Heh, I got a little hot there, not even sure why! I just wanted to make sure it didn't seem like I was taking a cut at the south tonight, especially since we'd had such a nice back and forth before.
No probs! You were absolutely correct. Taking pot-shots at where people live is tiresome, no matter where it is. We all have our great things, and our warts. It's just the way it is, and personally, I'd much rather celebrate the good.
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:17:58pm |
re: #462 Basho
I'm not going through that xray because of my health.. I'll take the damn train. Oh no, I hear those overhead wires have electromagnetic RADIATION!! ahhh
And Brazil nuts! Watch the Brazil nuts!!
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:18:02pm |
re: #454 SteveC
The hell with West Virginia. They still sell cigarettes and beer to miners.
But they ran off Fred Phelps's crew, and then sang the 'country roads' song on the courthouse steps. How can you not like that?
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Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:18:49pm |
re: #461 Varek Raith
To be fair, I'm more of a anti-humidity region kind of person.
You gots high humidity, I can'ts deals with its.
;)
What are you some kind of climatist?
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:19:42pm |
re: #461 Varek Raith
To be fair, I'm more of a anti-humidity region kind of person.
You gots high humidity, I can'ts deals with its.
;)
My Louisiana adventure involved way too much humidity. I think that if I whispered "It's not the heat, it's the humanity," one more time, my husband was going to punch me.
That's because he couldn't punch his mother after she did the "You know why it's called a bayou? It's a river that's BY YOU!" for the fifteenth time.
| 470 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:19:53pm |
re: #451 reine.de.tout
Aw, *smooch*. You're my favorite... uh... whatever a "tout" is.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:19:56pm |
re: #456 Dark_Falcon
I know what I've read. You tell me there is more. I've made my nic blue, would you be willing to send me a link or two with your additional info?
I'm asking why you think that whatever it is you've read has sufficiently informed you on Californian politics to make pronouncements about it.
I don't feel like I understand politics anywhere that I don't live. I would think it very presumptuous of myself to think that I really did understand how politics worked somewhere else. I know that West Virginia elected Rand Paul. I don't really know why. I know that Bachman keeps getting re-elected. I have no idea why.
So reading what, exactly? What has your reading on California consisted of?
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:20:23pm |
re: #470 Slumbering Behemoth
Cherie, a tout is the whole enchilada!
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reine.de.tout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:20:24pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:20:46pm |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:21:07pm |
re: #470 Slumbering Behemoth
Aw, *smooch*. You're my favorite... uh... whatever a "tout" is.
It's everything!
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SteveC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:21:37pm |
re: #469 SanFranciscoZionist
That's because he couldn't punch his mother after she did the "You know why it's called a bayou? It's a river that's BY YOU!" for the fifteenth time.
Thats what the fastball did. It blue bayou! :)
| 477 |
tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:22:05pm |
re: #466 Gus 802
Well, if you don't want to get selenium poisoning, you really should limit 'em......
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:22:23pm |
re: #424 Obdicut
Dark, you have repeatedly proven that you don't actually understand the complexity of what is up with California budgets.
So can you please not make pronouncements about it?
It's really, pretty fucking dense and complicated.
Obdi....... you are like an expert on everything aren't you?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:22:41pm |
re: #471 Obdicut
I'm asking why you think that whatever it is you've read has sufficiently informed you on Californian politics to make pronouncements about it.
I don't feel like I understand politics anywhere that I don't live. I would think it very presumptuous of myself to think that I really did understand how politics worked somewhere else. I know that West Virginia elected Rand Paul. I don't really know why. I know that Bachman keeps getting re-elected. I have no idea why.
So reading what, exactly? What has your reading on California consisted of?
Mostly what I have read on CNN and in National Review and City Journal. I admit I know more about Illinois than California, but I feel that the fact that to Golden State has a public sector problem seems clear as day.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:23:06pm |
re: #475 reine.de.tout
So you're my favorite "everything"? Don't let your old man know.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:23:13pm |
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:23:22pm |
re: #417 Dark_Falcon
I'm more anti-machine politics, and I see Cali as being in the grips of such a machine. I don't hate California, I hate it's politics.
Calling the opposition a "machine" seems to be your preferred form of dehumanization. It's a greasy, uninstructive, know nothing catch all term for the policies you hate but somehow can not identify. You only do it because specificity is difficult and requires actual thought.
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SteveC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:24:36pm |
re: #480 Slumbering Behemoth
So you're my favorite "everything"? Don't let your old man know.
*Singing in Bee Gees falsetto voice*
Oh, I.....
I just want to be your everything
| 484 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:24:44pm |
there is no hate - there is only "asking questions..........."
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reine.de.tout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:24:49pm |
re: #469 SanFranciscoZionist
My Louisiana adventure involved way too much humidity. I think that if I whispered "It's not the heat, it's the humanity," one more time, my husband was going to punch me.
That's because he couldn't punch his mother after she did the "You know why it's called a bayou? It's a river that's BY YOU!" for the fifteenth time.
hehehe.
From today's local paper:
Our mention of folks in the Frozen Nawth getting confused about Louisiana words led Lorry ---- to tell this story:“My husband Bill returned to his hometown of Blytheville, Ark., for his 40th high school class reunion this past summer.
“For those who don’t know, Blytheville is located in the far northeast corner of Arkansas.
“He told his former classmates how much he loved living in Louisiana, and said two things made him fall in love with the state.
“First, he said, he took Cajun dance lessons; then he bought a bateau and began fishing in the swamps, where he got a firsthand look at how beautiful the state really is.
“After a brief silence, one of his friends said, ‘OK, if no one else is going to ask the question, I will. Just how do you fish with a backhoe?’ ”
| 486 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:25:10pm |
An economics and budget argument?
California should buy Boardwalk and Park Place and put hotels on them.
Money problem solved.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:25:21pm |
| 488 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:25:25pm |
Forget about the body scanners. Here's an idea I can get behind...
Fed up passengers demand child-free flights
| 489 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:25:45pm |
re: #486 Varek Raith
An economics and budget argument?
California should buy Boardwalk and Park Place and put hotels on them.
Money problem solved.
Go to Jail.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:25:55pm |
re: #478 Mr Pancakes
Obdi... you are like an expert on everything aren't you?
I'm nowhere near expert in Californian politics. I have a very rough approximate knowledge of it-- enough to know that it's insanely complicated.
| 494 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:26:53pm |
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albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:27:01pm |
re: #482 goddamnedfrank
Calling the opposition a "machine" seems to be your preferred form of dehumanization. It's a greasy, uninstructive, know nothing catch all term for the policies you hate but somehow can not identify. You only do it because specificity is difficult and requires actual thought.
I'll say one thing...you CA economy apologists are certainly aggressive!
IT"S GREASY!
I'm stealing that, thanks
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:27:17pm |
re: #490 Obdicut
I'm nowhere near expert in Californian politics. I have a very rough approximate knowledge of it-- enough to know that it's insanely complicated.
Could you then give me some outlines you think will be helpful? I promise to give them a respectful hearing.
| 497 |
Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:27:40pm |
re: #479 Dark_Falcon
Mostly what I have read on CNN and in National Review and City Journal. I admit I know more about Illinois than California, but I feel that the fact that to Golden State has a public sector problem seems clear as day.
And you seriously feel that that amount of reading means that you really understand Californian politics and the Californian budget?
California has problems with unfunded pension mandates, as do many states. That problem alone does not explain or account for California's budget troubles, in the least.
| 498 |
SteveC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:27:52pm |
re: #495 albusteve
I'll say one thing...you CA economy apologists are certainly aggressive!
IT"S GREASY!
I'm stealing that, thanks
Grease is the word!
| 499 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:27:58pm |
re: #492 Varek Raith
Damn.
And not one of those cool intergalatic jails with the freaky female robot guards - it'll be one with four lights.
| 500 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:28:07pm |
| 501 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:29:26pm |
re: #497 Obdicut
And you seriously feel that that amount of reading means that you really understand Californian politics and the Californian budget?
California has problems with unfunded pension mandates, as do many states. That problem alone does not explain or account for California's budget troubles, in the least.
good one....so, anyway, what's the plan to pay off the pensions...any ideas?
| 502 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:30:18pm |
re: #499 wozzablog
And not one of those cool intergalatic jails with the freaky female robot guards - it'll be one with four lights.
Five lights.
| 503 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:30:51pm |
re: #497 Obdicut
And you seriously feel that that amount of reading means that you really understand Californian politics and the Californian budget?
California has problems with unfunded pension mandates, as do many states. That problem alone does not explain or account for California's budget troubles, in the least.
how much is that?...50b?...more?
that is a small thing?....maybe I misunderstand
| 504 |
tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:31:01pm |
re: #478 Mr Pancakes
Only those things classified as 'really dense and complicated '.
| 505 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:31:09pm |
re: #501 albusteve
good one...so, anyway, what's the plan to pay off the pensions...any ideas?
Maybe a massive tax cut for the rich! I hear that stimulates the economy.
| 506 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:31:21pm |
| 507 |
Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:31:47pm |
OK I'll throw in a monkey wrench in the California argument. Two things that hurt California: a) Proposition 13 and b) growth limitations. The latter of which led to higher housing costs. I figure one will piss of the right and the other will piss of the left. Maybe I'm onto something. ;)
| 509 |
engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:32:07pm |
| 510 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:33:00pm |
re: #506 Varek Raith
Damn Cardassian mind games.
There is no problem with Cardassians that cannot be solved with the application of Quantum Torpedoes. >:D
| 511 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:33:01pm |
re: #508 b_sharp
Let's do away with money and go back to barter.
I'd buy that for a dollar, er... uh, chicken.
| 512 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:33:10pm |
You know, a thought just came to me, Charles have you ever considered going on the Daily show to Promote the new LGF cookbooks?
| 513 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:33:17pm |
re: #505 Killgore Trout
Maybe a massive tax cut for the rich! I hear that stimulates the economy.
the massiver, the better is what I heard
| 514 |
Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:34:02pm |
re: #505 Killgore Trout
Maybe a massive tax cut for the rich! I hear that stimulates the economy.
Of course they never tell you that the rich typically buy foreign goods. You know like European made cars, wines, furniture, clothing, etc. The rest is building which might include Canadian lumber products and undocumented labor. D'oh!
| 515 |
Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:34:05pm |
re: #496 Dark_Falcon
Dark, I have done so before. I'm sorry, but I have gone over and over Californian politics, and it has not made a dent on anyone that likes to slam California. They just go ahead and revert to blaming the public sector unions to the exclusion of anything else.
I would rather like you to understand that cursory reading isn't going to actually get you up to speed on the Californian economy, with the legislative tangle that's involved in creating the budget, with the many, many different political forces at work in Californian politics.
The shortest explanation for Californian's budget crisis: They depended on constant growth, and borrowed against it, instead of raising taxes or otherwise funding the spending in a responsible fashion.
| 516 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:34:12pm |
re: #511 Varek Raith
I'd buy that for a dollar, er... uh, chicken.
I'll see your chicken and raise you a magic bean.
| 517 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:34:22pm |
They could make a great deal of money off of LA by institution an ego tax.
(Used ito live in the area.)
| 518 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:34:27pm |
re: #511 Varek Raith
I'd buy that for a dollar, er... uh, chicken.
one of the great lines from Major Winchester in MASH -
"gentlemen - never accept personal chicks as a form of payment"
| 519 |
SteveC Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:34:52pm |
re: #509 engineer dog
what's a "public sector problem"?
I can't go! Now don't bring this up again, it's embarrassing to have to discuss it in public!
| 520 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:34:54pm |
re: #507 Gus 802
OK I'll throw in a monkey wrench in the California argument. Two things that hurt California: a) Proposition 13 and b) growth limitations. The latter of which led to higher housing costs. I figure one will piss of the right and the other will piss of the left. Maybe I'm onto something. ;)
the argument was, is there a legit reason to criticize CA econ policy?....keep your eye on the ball
| 521 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:34:58pm |
re: #505 Killgore Trout
Maybe a massive tax cut for the rich! I hear that stimulates the economy.
!
Zero taxes.
None.
Nada.
Zilch.
That should generate infinite cash, no?
I'll take the Nobel for economics now, thankyouverymuch.
| 523 |
tradewind Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:35:16pm |
re: #496 Dark_Falcon
It's a problem of OSHA on steroids, for one thing.
All the marvelous scientific and technical achievements and resulting businesses that reside in CA would never have a chance getting off the ground now in the regulatory environment that has sprung up in the past twenty years.
I'm sure Obdi can 'splain further.
Out.
| 524 |
Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:35:24pm |
re: #520 albusteve
the argument was, is there a legit reason to criticize CA econ policy?...keep your eye on the ball
I'm a free agent man! /
| 525 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:35:30pm |
re: #509 engineer dog
what's a "public sector problem"?
I'm going to wait for Obi's reply before answering. No disrespect, its just to keep things clearer for me.
| 526 |
Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:36:33pm |
re: #521 Varek Raith
!
Zero taxes.
None.
Nada.
Zilch.
That should generate infinite cash, no?
I'll take the Nobel for economics now, thankyouverymuch.
The Nobel or the Lew Rockwell?
/
| 527 |
bratwurst Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:36:46pm |
re: #508 b_sharp
Let's do away with money and go back to barter.
The people of the Nevada GOP had a chance to nominate someone who believed strongly in the classic American tradition of bartering chickens for health care, but they went with Sharron Angle instead.
| 528 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:36:53pm |
| 529 |
Lidane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:37:29pm |
Totally OT, but just in case folks hadn't seen this yet:
| 530 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:37:35pm |
re: #520 albusteve
the argument was, is there a legit reason to criticize CA econ policy?...keep your eye on the ball
Actually, the argument was started with you bitching about other state's taxpayers bailing CA out, when in fact CA has been bailing states like yours for years upon years.
| 531 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:38:04pm |
re: #515 Obdicut
Dark, I have done so before. I'm sorry, but I have gone over and over Californian politics, and it has not made a dent on anyone that likes to slam California. They just go ahead and revert to blaming the public sector unions to the exclusion of anything else.
I would rather like you to understand that cursory reading isn't going to actually get you up to speed on the Californian economy, with the legislative tangle that's involved in creating the budget, with the many, many different political forces at work in Californian politics.
The shortest explanation for Californian's budget crisis: They depended on constant growth, and borrowed against it, instead of raising taxes or otherwise funding the spending in a responsible fashion.
That bolded part is an exceptionally good way to put things. Your post is updinged and favorited, and it will be remembered.
| 532 |
Kruk Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:38:05pm |
re: #510 Dark_Falcon
There is no problem with Cardassians that cannot be solved with the application of Quantum Torpedoes. >:D
How very Borg.
| 535 |
Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:39:51pm |
re: #523 tradewind
Please name a regulation that has sprung up in the past 20 years that would have stopped these technological achievements.
Oh wait, what you're saying makes no sense given how much of California's technical achievements have come in the past twenty years.
Sheesh.
| 537 |
Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:40:29pm |
re: #531 Dark_Falcon
Okay. And why they did so-- the politics of it-- really is an amazingly complex tangle of politics, and it is not 'because the public sector unions made them do it'.
| 538 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:40:53pm |
re: #530 Slumbering Behemoth
Actually, the argument was started with you bitching about other state's taxpayers bailing CA out, when in fact CA has been bailing states like yours for years upon years.
so you knowingly overspend, presuming the feds would bail you out and return what's rightfully yours?....otherwise, what is your point?...I made mine, where will the money come from?...are you so humble, you defend others taking care of CA?...do you have a point, or just want to dis me?
| 539 |
Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:42:08pm |
re: #538 albusteve
California didn't assume the feds would bail them out. That's incorrect.
| 540 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:42:17pm |
| 541 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:42:32pm |
California AGAIN?
Damn.
Oh and Rush is still a hateful human being. "Juvenile delinquent President"
What the fuck.
| 542 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:42:49pm |
re: #523 tradewind
It's a problem of OSHA on steroids, for one thing.
All the marvelous scientific and technical achievements and resulting businesses that reside in CA would never have a chance getting off the ground now in the regulatory environment that has sprung up in the past twenty years.
I'm sure Obdi can 'splain further.
Out.
what?
Google. incorporated in 1998.
*sighs, rubs temples, contemplates the monolith of ignorance before him*
*pauses*
*gets a beer*
| 543 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:43:13pm |
re: #539 Obdicut
California didn't assume the feds would bail them out. That's incorrect.
it was a question, not a statement...you don't comprehend again?
| 544 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:43:14pm |
re: #535 Obdicut
Please name a regulation that has sprung up in the past 20 years that would have stopped these technological achievements.
Oh wait, what you're saying makes no sense given how much of California's technical achievements have come in the past twenty years.
Sheesh.
You're screaming into a cat 5 hurricane.
| 545 |
Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:43:52pm |
It's hard to grasp sometimes. California should be the richest state in the union considering it's beauty, coastline, ports, science and technical prowess, etc, etc. Instead it's broke. At the same time it also has some of the richest people in the world living there. I'm cornfused.
| 547 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:44:10pm |
re: #541 Stanley Sea
California AGAIN?
Damn.
Oh and Rush is still a hateful human being. "Juvenile delinquent President"
What the fuck.
It's always california
Because they were told to hate California because it's EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG WITH SPENDING OMG PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS TEACHERS SCHEMING ILLEGALS END THE FED RON PAUL GOLD OH GOD WHERE'S GROVER NORQUIST I NEED A HUG
| 548 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:44:11pm |
re: #537 Obdicut
Okay. And why they did so-- the politics of it-- really is an amazingly complex tangle of politics, and it is not 'because the public sector unions made them do it'.
We'll have to untangle it as the various parts of it come up. I'll listen to you when you talk about those. I don't promise I'll agree, but I will listen.
| 549 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:44:24pm |
re: #538 albusteve
you defend others taking care of CA?
No one is taking care of CA but CA. CA is taking care of you. CA has been bailing out your state and many others for years upon years. That's the point you refuse to acknowledge while making your false arguments.
| 550 |
Obdicut Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:44:44pm |
re: #545 Gus 802
California is in no way broke.
The state government isn't taking in as much tax money as it needs in order to fund expenditures.
The wealth that the state holds is still gigantic, titanic, and huge.
| 551 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:44:54pm |
re: #541 Stanley Sea
California AGAIN?
Damn.
Oh and Rush is still a hateful human being. "Juvenile delinquent President"
What the fuck.
I don't think I even whipped up the California argument this time. Or even egged it on much.
| 552 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:45:00pm |
re: #542 WindUpBird
what?
Google. incorporated in 1998.
*sighs, rubs temples, contemplates the monolith of ignorance before him*
*pauses*
*gets a beer*
Grab two.
| 553 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:45:06pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:45:14pm |
re: #545 Gus 802
It's hard to grasp sometimes. California should be the richest state in the union considering it's beauty, coastline, ports, science and technical prowess, etc, etc. Instead it's broke. At the same time it also has some of the richest people in the world living there. I'm cornfused.
Come to Illinois, then. We grow lots of corn here. :D
| 555 |
engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:45:46pm |
re: #538 albusteve
where will the money come from
the money came mostly from massive cuts in services, especially to schools
| 556 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:45:50pm |
re: #552 b_sharp
Grab two.
I chose the New Belgium Trippel, going back for the Domination Ninkasi IPA
| 557 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:45:54pm |
re: #545 Gus 802
We gotta pay for all those other states that ain't pulling their weight.
| 558 |
Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:46:42pm |
re: #550 Obdicut
California is in no way broke.
The state government isn't taking in as much tax money as it needs in order to fund expenditures.
The wealth that the state holds is still gigantic, titanic, and huge.
Good. Too much hype I guess. I left there when Deukmejian was governor. It really hasn't changed that much since I left. OK, prices went up as it did everywhere.
| 559 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:46:48pm |
re: #551 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't think I even whipped up the California argument this time. Or even egged it on much.
Has a life of its own obviously.
Always commented by folks who don't live in the beauty of it all.
| 560 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:47:11pm |
re: #545 Gus 802
It's hard to grasp sometimes. California should be the richest state in the union considering it's beauty, coastline, ports, science and technical prowess, etc, etc. Instead it's broke. At the same time it also has some of the richest people in the world living there. I'm cornfused.
Nice to meet you Confused, I'm Preposterously Uninformed.
| 561 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:47:12pm |
re: #540 Dark_Falcon
That's me, baby. Resistance is Futile, give in to the Chicago Way. ;)
I'll meet you have way by giving into your pizza style....
| 562 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:47:15pm |
re: #545 Gus 802
It's hard to grasp sometimes. California should be the richest state in the union considering it's beauty, coastline, ports, science and technical prowess, etc, etc. Instead it's broke. At the same time it also has some of the richest people in the world living there. I'm cornfused.
yes, it's too complicated for people like us...belie that cornfusion
| 564 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:48:11pm |
| 565 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:48:19pm |
re: #562 albusteve
yes, it's too complicated for people like us...belie that cornfusion
It sure as hell is complicated.
I'm not gonna even pretend to offer solutions/causes to California's problems.
| 566 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:49:09pm |
re: #550 Obdicut
California is in no way broke.
The state government isn't taking in as much tax money as it needs in order to fund expenditures.
The wealth that the state holds is still gigantic, titanic, and huge.
well, it can't pay it's way....not to split hairs
| 567 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:49:12pm |
re: #564 albusteve
maybe, I don't pay much attention to you
these internet arguing tactics of "man i totally don't even care" they predate my actual internet use, I was using this schtick on BBSes in 1992.
| 568 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:49:20pm |
re: #550 Obdicut
California is in no way broke.
The state government isn't taking in as much tax money as it needs in order to fund expenditures.
The wealth that the state holds is still gigantic, titanic, and huge.
California is a small version of America in a way, there's a democratic majority, but its ham strung by rules which make it so that a simple majority can't govern effectively.
(That and the entire rich people poor state thing...)
| 569 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:49:45pm |
re: #568 jamesfirecat
California is a small version of America in a way, there's a democratic majority, but its ham strung by rules which make it so that a simple majority can't govern effectively.
(That and the entire rich people poor state thing...)
Once more! with feeling! [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 570 |
engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:50:04pm |
re: #556 WindUpBird
I chose the New Belgium Trippel, going back for the Domination Ninkasi IPA
now yer talkin
personally, all my discretionary spending goes to support socialist belgium these days...
| 571 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:50:26pm |
re: #555 engineer dog
the money came mostly from massive cuts in services, especially to schools
what?...you punished the children?
| 572 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:50:35pm |
| 573 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:51:26pm |
re: #570 engineer dog
now yer talkin
personally, all my discretionary spending goes to support socialist belgium these days...
They do good stuff! I buy a lot of Oregon beers, but New Belgium makes the best reasonably priced trippel, and also that 1554 rocks. Also the mothership is good.
The Skinny Dip too...
| 574 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:51:30pm |
re: #557 Slumbering Behemoth
We gotta pay for all those other states that ain't pulling their weight.
RAMMING SPEED!
| 575 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:51:35pm |
re: #570 engineer dog
now yer talkin
personally, all my discretionary spending goes to support socialist belgium these days...
Duvel and Leffe :-p
| 576 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:52:03pm |
So... anybody on Facebook?
Anybody got friends from long ago (high school) you found on Facebook?
Anybody got friends from long ago (high school) you found on Facebook that you thought were really cool back in the day?
Anybody got friends from long ago (high school) you found on Facebook that you thought were really cool back in the day and now you realize that they are functionally illiterate?
I was just wondering.
It's not all bad, but wow... how some people get dressed in the morning is beyond me.
Is this cruel?
| 577 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:52:06pm |
re: #572 b_sharp
Don't get all wired about it, we're past cat 5, and past cat 5e and into cat 6.
I think I have cat 5e. I think...
I'm just happy not to have a screwball laptop with bad wifi anymore
| 578 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:52:26pm |
re: #553 WindUpBird
I have a partial coil of cat 5 that I've been unable to untangle for several years. It just sits there, making no sense.
| 579 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:52:27pm |
re: #545 Gus 802
It's hard to grasp sometimes. California should be the richest state in the union considering it's beauty, coastline, ports, science and technical prowess, etc, etc. Instead it's broke. At the same time it also has some of the richest people in the world living there. I'm cornfused.
I am KHORNEFUSED!
| 580 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:52:50pm |
re: #576 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm not on facebook because I honestly don't want people from high school finding me, heh :D
| 581 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:53:06pm |
re: #558 Gus 802
Good. Too much hype I guess. I left there when Deukmejian was governor. It really hasn't changed that much since I left. OK, prices went up as it did everywhere.
I saw a poll where 4/5th of the population has emmigrated to NM, leaving CA a wasteland...I'll find the link
| 582 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:54:13pm |
| 583 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:54:20pm |
re: #576 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So... anybody on Facebook?
Anybody got friends from long ago (high school) you found on Facebook?
Anybody got friends from long ago (high school) you found on Facebook that you thought were really cool back in the day?
Anybody got friends from long ago (high school) you found on Facebook that you thought were really cool back in the day and now you realize that they are functionally illiterate?I was just wondering.
It's not all bad, but wow... how some people get dressed in the morning is beyond me.
Is this cruel?
No - no it is not.
| 584 |
Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:54:49pm |
Anyway. The states with some of the biggest problems are still the Appalachian states. Yes, it's much better there than since the 60s but still could use some improvement. And of course there's always Mississippi. Now, I'm not talking about the people, or ideology but poverty and malnutrition. If you look into some Indian reservations it gets even worse.
| 585 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:55:00pm |
re: #582 WindUpBird
Awesome beers! But Not Cheap o_o;
at about 8% and 6.5% you don't need to drink all that much :p
| 586 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:55:05pm |
re: #581 albusteve
I saw a poll where 4/5th of the population has emmigrated to NM, leaving CA a wasteland...I'll find the link
I wondered where everyone had gone...no wonder it's so easy to find parking at the mall.
| 587 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:55:14pm |
re: #583 wozzablog
No - no it is not.
I think facebook is sorta like AOL in the 90's, the next giant wave of people who are now ONLINE! And REALLY DUMB! :D
| 588 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:55:42pm |
re: #323 albusteve
read up...it's in the same league, easily...why do you think that statehood was resisted for 65yrs?...bunch of gangsters down here to this day...Bill Richardson is the most corrupt gov in this time...pure, 100% NM dirt
Beautiful country though...
| 589 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:55:53pm |
re: #564 albusteve
maybe, I don't pay much attention to you
Sorry, Steve but that sort of passive-aggressive pushes even my buttons. Down ding.
| 590 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:56:20pm |
re: #586 SanFranciscoZionist
I wondered where everyone had gone...no wonder it's so easy to find parking at the mall.
Lol.
Reminds me of some of the TeaParty groups that said to avoid Metro in DC.
XD
| 591 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:56:26pm |
re: #585 wozzablog
at about 8% and 6.5% you don't need to drink all that much :p
True that!
I'm a big fan of Duvel, Golden Monkey Victory Trippel, Tripel Karmeleit, i can geek out about belgian beers forever ^_^
| 592 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:56:40pm |
re: #567 WindUpBird
these internet arguing tactics of "man i totally don't even care" they predate my actual internet use, I was using this schtick on BBSes in 1992.
Speak to the hand.
Yes, it is the one that was down my pants 10 minutes ago, so what?
| 593 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:57:04pm |
| 594 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:57:22pm |
re: #590 Varek Raith
Lol.
Reminds me of some of the TeaParty groups that said to avoid Metro in DC.
XD
///Don't go near the green line!
| 595 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:57:32pm |
re: #580 WindUpBird
I'm not on facebook because I honestly don't want people from high school finding me, heh :D
for some reason other kids at my highschool liked me and i have fond memories of other people. I must be just about the only person ever who actually enjoyed highschool :p
| 596 |
Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:57:33pm |
And if you love waves, surfing or the ocean watch this when you get the chance...
| 597 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:57:58pm |
re: #589 Dark_Falcon
Sorry, Steve but that sort of passive-aggressive pushes even my buttons. Down ding.
it's the truth
| 598 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:58:15pm |
re: #576 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So... anybody on Facebook?
Anybody got friends from long ago (high school) you found on Facebook?
Anybody got friends from long ago (high school) you found on Facebook that you thought were really cool back in the day?
Anybody got friends from long ago (high school) you found on Facebook that you thought were really cool back in the day and now you realize that they are functionally illiterate?I was just wondering.
It's not all bad, but wow... how some people get dressed in the morning is beyond me.
Is this cruel?
No.
| 599 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:58:52pm |
re: #587 WindUpBird
I think facebook is sorta like AOL in the 90's, the next giant wave of people who are now ONLINE! And REALLY DUMB! :D
And people with nothing but zynga application spam on their walls - sheesh
| 600 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:59:04pm |
re: #587 WindUpBird
I think facebook is sorta like AOL in the 90's, the next giant wave of people who are now ONLINE! And REALLY DUMB! :D
When I first went online from home, as opposed to school, I went with AOL. I have no idea what the early days must have been like, because people back then would actually make fun of you for having an AOL account. It was very odd. No one seems to notice any more.
| 601 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:59:11pm |
| 602 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:59:26pm |
re: #577 WindUpBird
I think I have cat 5e. I think...
I'm just happy not to have a screwball laptop with bad wifi anymore
WIFI is touted as the magic cure for too many wires, but does nothing but fail.
| 603 |
BryanS Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:59:34pm |
re: #550 Obdicut
California is in no way broke.
The state government isn't taking in as much tax money as it needs in order to fund expenditures.
The wealth that the state holds is still gigantic, titanic, and huge.
Are you saying the wealth of the state is in the wealth of the individuals? Or is there state owned property they could sell off? Thing about California is if they raise taxes, they will make it more attractive for some rich people to leave the state. I'd assume Hollywood and Silicon Valley wealth couldn't just up an leave as easily, but some would if taxes go up a lot.
| 604 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:00:07pm |
re: #600 SanFranciscoZionist
When I first went online from home, as opposed to school, I went with AOL. I have no idea what the early days must have been like, because people back then would actually make fun of you for having an AOL account. It was very odd. No one seems to notice any more.
We were worse - we were on compuserve :p
| 605 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:00:42pm |
re: #596 Gus 802
And if you love waves, surfing or the ocean watch this when you get the chance...
I have pictures of my kids with 7 foot waves crashing over them, right at the sand...VA Beach
just as an aside
| 606 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:00:44pm |
| 607 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:01:00pm |
| 608 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:01:02pm |
| 609 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:01:50pm |
re: #604 wozzablog
We were worse - we were on compuserve :p
One guy I know actually asked me if you could go to all webpages on AOL. I assume this is based on something. I never had a moment's trouble with it.
| 610 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:02:11pm |
| 611 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:02:27pm |
re: #586 SanFranciscoZionist
I wondered where everyone had gone...no wonder it's so easy to find parking at the mall.
It's all hype and fallacy. If half the BS people spout about CA were true, you and I would be living in Nevada on beach front property, surrounded in wealth and abundance.
| 612 |
BryanS Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:02:28pm |
re: #602 b_sharp
WIFI is touted as the magic cure for too many wires, but does nothing but fail.
Give me wired over wifi any day--for security and speed. Gigabit and not easily snooped versus a few 10s of megabits (if using 802.11n) and constant cracking of wireless security standards (wep is a joke, wpa has also been cracked, wpa2 for now seems kinda sorta ok).
| 613 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:02:34pm |
re: #603 BryanS
Are you saying the wealth of the state is in the wealth of the individuals? Or is there state owned property they could sell off? Thing about California is if they raise taxes, they will make it more attractive for some rich people to leave the state. I'd assume Hollywood and Silicon Valley wealth couldn't just up an leave as easily, but some would if taxes go up a lot.
NM has robbed CA blind with the movie business for decades...cheaper, easier, and much nicer people
| 614 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:03:31pm |
re: #609 SanFranciscoZionist
One guy I know actually asked me if you could go to all webpages on AOL. I assume this is based on something. I never had a moment's trouble with it.
We switched to aol years ago (finally getting rid of them now) - the software was diabolical pants - but once you could actually bypass it and not load it the connection was actually one of the most stable i've come across in consumer area.
| 615 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:03:41pm |
Hello lizards!
What's the topic this evening?
| 616 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:04:12pm |
I just found the most tasteless and hilarious twitter, I'm afraid to post it, hahaha
| 617 |
BryanS Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:04:15pm |
re: #613 albusteve
NM has robbed CA blind with the movie business for decades...cheaper, easier, and much nicer people
New Mexico? I never knew.
| 618 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:04:24pm |
re: #611 Slumbering Behemoth
It's all hype and fallacy. If half the BS people spout about CA were true, you and I would be living in Nevada on beach front property, surrounded in wealth and abundance.
which is exactly what's been happening for years
| 619 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:04:30pm |
re: #592 b_sharp
Speak to the hand.
Yes, it is the one that was down my pants 10 minutes ago, so what?
*hides*
| 620 |
jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:04:33pm |
re: #615 NJDhockeyfan
California, New Mexico and twisted pairs.
| 621 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:04:55pm |
SFZ, you still here?
Since you have a connection of sorts, to Louisiana,
Here are
a few
things
you might find of interest.
| 622 |
KingKenrod Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:05:05pm |
re: #7 recusancy
OT: Good article on where our debt has come from. It seems pretty one sided to me.
Ezra Klein sort of debunks the obvious implications of this. The real picture is very complex. Also, the role of inflation is ignored - governments can't borrow as easily when there is high inflation or inflation risk. Reagan's policies, for instance, caused a recession but at the same time lowered inflation 10%, which greatly reduced the cost of borrowing.
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
| 623 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:06:19pm |
re: #602 b_sharp
WIFI is touted as the magic cure for too many wires, but does nothing but fail.
Yes :(
Now I have an old school big black tower case that makes lots of noise and doesn't any mysterious power issues, with a big video card and an old wired ethernet thang and it's glorious.
| 624 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:06:30pm |
re: #617 BryanS
New Mexico? I never knew.
silent movies, westerns, were made here before Hollywood existed....Tom Mix and Bruce Cabot were both New Mexicans...the very first movie stars
| 625 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:06:36pm |
re: #613 albusteve
NM has robbed CA blind with the movie business for decades...cheaper, easier, and much nicer people
So has Socialist Canada :p
| 626 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:06:37pm |
also, screw wireless mice and keyboards. MOUSE LAG :(
| 627 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:07:11pm |
re: #589 Dark_Falcon
Sorry, Steve but that sort of passive-aggressive pushes even my buttons. Down ding.
DF you are cool man...... but you can't be everyone's friend.... stoppit!
| 628 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:07:16pm |
re: #618 albusteve
which is exactly what's been happening for years
Shit! I've been putting the wrong addresses on everything for years!
| 629 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:07:24pm |
re: #620 jaunte
California, New Mexico and twisted pairs.
I've been to California, I haven't been to NM, I tried to have some twisted fun with a pair of twins back in the good old days.
| 630 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:08:15pm |
re: #628 SanFranciscoZionist
Shit! I've been putting the wrong addresses on everything for years!
LGF is your address now...nothing else matters
| 631 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:08:17pm |
re: #618 albusteve
You keep pimpin' fallacies, with nothing of substance to back it up. Carry on.
| 632 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:08:22pm |
re: #621 reine.de.tout
SFZ, you still here?
Since you have a connection of sorts, to Louisiana,
Here are
a few
things
you might find of interest.
Thank you! Favorited for further browsing.
Did not know Lafitte was Jewish.
| 633 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:08:30pm |
re: #612 BryanS
Give me wired over wifi any day--for security and speed. Gigabit and not easily snooped versus a few 10s of megabits (if using 802.11n) and constant cracking of wireless security standards (wep is a joke, wpa has also been cracked, wpa2 for now seems kinda sorta ok).
'N' is supposed to give ~300 Mb speed. I've never seen it close. The 2.4GHz band, which is the same as cell phones, only has 3 non-overlapping channels. Try putting 5 g/n routers and a dozen cell phones in the same 2000sq ft building.
I gave up and wired it.
| 634 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:08:56pm |
re: #627 Mr Pancakes
DF you are cool man... but you can't be everyone's friend... stoppit!
it's cool...DF is my friend
| 635 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:09:10pm |
re: #604 wozzablog
We were worse - we were on compuserve :p
I had compuserve! But that was 20 years ago, and it was just inching along at like 2400 baud.
| 636 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:09:16pm |
re: #616 WindUpBird
I just found the most tasteless and hilarious twitter, I'm afraid to post it, hahaha
Post it!
| 637 |
jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:09:16pm |
re: #629 NJDhockeyfan
NM has some very cool spots.
Image: white-sands-500.jpg
| 638 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:09:28pm |
re: #627 Mr Pancakes
DF you are cool man... but you can't be everyone's friend... stoppit!
Don't listen to him DF, keep reaching for that brass ring...
| 639 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:09:36pm |
re: #631 Slumbering Behemoth
You keep pimpin' fallacies, with nothing of substance to back it up. Carry on.
you callin me a pimp?
MOM!
| 640 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:09:46pm |
| 641 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:10:34pm |
re: #636 Dark_Falcon
Post it!
racistAndre on twitter.
It's VERY TASTELESS
(and has hilarious hashtags)
| 642 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:11:27pm |
| 643 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:11:42pm |
re: #637 jaunte
NM has some very cool spots.
Image: white-sands-500.jpg
If you want a religious experience, drive through New Mexico at daybreak I couldn't put it into words.
| 644 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:12:10pm |
re: #623 WindUpBird
Yes :(
Now I have an old school big black tower case that makes lots of noise and doesn't any mysterious power issues, with a big video card and an old wired ethernet thang and it's glorious.
I'm putting together a new system for my music so I bought an Antec full size tower and 750w power supply. It has 5 large led fans that are damn near silent. I love it.
| 645 |
Digital Display Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:12:59pm |
At this point tonight..This thread is just like Rocky 2
You want Andrian to wake up from her coma..Or just die and get it over with...Most guys voted for dying
/Good evening lizards
| 646 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:13:11pm |
re: #644 b_sharp
I'm putting together a new system for my music so I bought an Antec full size tower and 750w power supply. It has 5 large led fans that are damn near silent. I love it.
MIGHTY!
that's right, you were talking about a RAID for recording. Awesome :D
| 647 |
jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:13:17pm |
re: #643 Mr Pancakes
Add to that: driving at daybreak in the New Mexico desert, after a heavy snowfall.
| 648 |
BryanS Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:13:22pm |
re: #633 b_sharp
'N' is supposed to give ~300 Mb speed. I've never seen it close. The 2.4GHz band, which is the same as cell phones, only has 3 non-overlapping channels. Try putting 5 g/n routers and a dozen cell phones in the same 2000sq ft building.
I gave up and wired it.
Those advertised speeds are BS--"over the air" rates and it is aggregate bandwidth--as in count both directions and add together to get throughput. Then you have to be like a couple feet from it. And ehtn you have to be the only device associated to the AP.
Cell phones aren't 2.4GHz and shouldn't interfere with wifi--unless you mean portable phones. But microwave ovens, portable phones, and some noisy florescent light ballasts can all freak out wifi networks.
| 649 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:13:43pm |
re: #644 b_sharp
Just so you know, if I ever get to the point where I'm recording, I'll be pestering you for nuggets of advice
| 650 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:13:53pm |
re: #641 WindUpBird
racistAndre on twitter.
It's VERY TASTELESS
(and has hilarious hashtags)
Quite teasing and post it. The worst I'll do is downding.
| 651 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:14:28pm |
re: #650 Dark_Falcon
Quite teasing and post it. The worst I'll do is downding.
it's posted! Go on twitter, that's the twitter account, it's right there
| 652 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:14:31pm |
re: #637 jaunte
NM has some very cool spots.
Image: white-sands-500.jpg
That's beautiful. We just have lots of trees here in the mountains of Virginia.
| 653 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:14:58pm |
re: #647 jaunte
Add to that: driving at daybreak in the New Mexico desert, after a heavy snowfall.
I have fond memories of Arizona too.
| 654 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:15:00pm |
re: #652 NJDhockeyfan
That's beautiful. We just have lots of trees here in the mountains of Virginia.
Steve no likey trees.
| 656 |
jaunte Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:15:52pm |
re: #652 NJDhockeyfan
I've been up around Front Royal, and that was pretty nice, too.
| 657 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:16:02pm |
| 658 |
BryanS Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:16:03pm |
re: #644 b_sharp
I'm putting together a new system for my music so I bought an Antec full size tower and 750w power supply. It has 5 large led fans that are damn near silent. I love it.
Antec makes decent power supplies. It's been a while since I've felt the need to build my own computer though. Since I'm not a gamer, I can get enough performance at a price point less than I can assemble one for. Of course if I install Linux and forgo the MS Windows "tax" , I might get close to the same price for a mid range desktop I build.
| 659 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:16:15pm |
re: #654 Varek Raith
Steve no likey trees.
They look better with leaves. All the leaves are gone now.
| 660 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:16:44pm |
| 661 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:16:45pm |
U.S. Population by State, 1790 to 2009
2009...
CA: 36,961,664
NV: 2,643,085
NM: 2,009,671
/shit, where did everyone go?
And guess which state has the largest population.
Myth: Busted.
| 662 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:16:53pm |
re: #659 NJDhockeyfan
They look better with leaves. All the leaves are gone now.
Leaves? What means leaves?
| 663 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:17:25pm |
| 664 |
prairiefire Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:18:03pm |
Crap! A person is trying to scam me out of a $200 doll. : P****
| 665 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:18:50pm |
re: #655 b_sharp
Wait till I get my pants back on.
That's not what I paid for. You keep those pants off or refund my money, bastard.
| 666 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:19:01pm |
re: #651 WindUpBird
it's posted! Go on twitter, that's the twitter account, it's right there
OMG he's my neighbor!
| 667 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:19:08pm |
re: #662 Mr Pancakes
Leaves? What means leaves?
Vinny Gambini: Mr. Crane, what are these pictures of?
Ernie Crane: My house and stuff.
Vinny Gambini: House and stuff. And what is this brown stuff on your window.
Ernie Crane: Dirt.
Vinny Gambini: Dirt. And what is this rusty, dusty, dirty looking thing that's covering your window?
Ernie Crane: That's a screen.
Vinny Gambini: A screen! It's a screen. And what are these really big things that are right in the middle of your view of the Sac-o-Suds and your kitchen window, what do we call these big things?
Ernie Crane: Trees?
Vinny Gambini: Trees, that's right, don't be afraid just shout 'em right out when you know 'em. And what are these thousands of little things that are on trees?
Ernie Crane: Leaves.
| 668 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:19:14pm |
re: #664 prairiefire
Crap! A person is trying to scam me out of a $200 doll. : P***
Why crap? Just say no.
| 669 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:19:38pm |
re: #649 WindUpBird
Just so you know, if I ever get to the point where I'm recording, I'll be pestering you for nuggets of advice
That's cool, I have a never ending supply of nuggets.
I have yet to steal my brother's Cakewalk software, so you'll have to wait until I figure it out.
| 671 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:19:53pm |
re: #647 jaunte
Add to that: driving at daybreak in the New Mexico desert, after a heavy snowfall.
really an unusual, awesome sight...the winter clouds over Sandia Peak, right behind me a few miles, become very dramatic in the winter
| 672 |
cliffster Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:20:01pm |
I opened LGF when the thread was on comment #666. That's some bad shit.
| 673 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:20:36pm |
re: #663 Varek Raith
Go sit in the drum circle.
Oh fuck... double upchuck.
Did you hear... I am now officially working the Sat./Sun. overnights, baby sitting self scan and stocking Aisle 7. The part time weekend guy busted out his knee, doctor won't let him work, told him he needs an operation, workman's comp won't approve a operation, he's between a rock and a hard place... guess who gets to work his shift until this is all worked out... moi.
Better than no job, but now not as good as it was... I rather just be cashiering during the week.
| 674 |
prairiefire Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:20:41pm |
re: #668 Mr Pancakes
Yeah, I did. It could freeze up my funds for the amount of the benjamins, though. Crazy doll people...
| 675 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:20:50pm |
re: #672 cliffster
I opened LGF when the thread was on comment #666. That's some bad shit.
We know you are of the devil........ repent!
| 676 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:21:24pm |
re: #670 Gus 802
[Video]
Interesting the internet travels you are enjoying right now.
When I was a kid in FL I had photos up in my room of all the hot surf spots in California. Now I live down the street from them. California yeah!
| 678 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:22:04pm |
ok. headed off now at 04:20am. have to be up in about 4hrs.
| 679 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:22:23pm |
| 680 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:22:55pm |
re: #654 Varek Raith
Steve no likey trees.
I saw a tree I really like once...have a picture right over there on the wall...it's a 200ft tall tulip, right behind D. Boone's grave in Frankfort, KY....the most beautiful, magnificent tree I ever saw
| 681 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:22:58pm |
re: #674 prairiefire
Yeah, I did. It could freeze up my funds for the amount of the benjamins, though. Crazy doll people...
I feel for you..... my ex wife (note I said ex) was really into Cabbage Patch Dolls in the day.... she wound up with some pretty seedy characters.
| 682 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:22:59pm |
re: #672 cliffster
I opened LGF when the thread was on comment #666. That's some bad shit.
You a numerologist or something?
| 683 |
cliffster Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:23:04pm |
re: #677 jaunte
Quick, spill some salt on your keyboard.
I've spilled beer on my keyboard quite a few times. Is beer the new salt?
| 684 |
Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:23:15pm |
re: #676 Stanley Sea
Interesting the internet travels you are enjoying right now.
When I was a kid in FL I had photos up in my room of all the hot surf spots in California. Now I live down the street from them. California yeah!
I find big wave surfing mesmerizing. That's North Shore in Hawaii though. :) Ken Bradshaw.
| 685 |
Digital Display Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:23:19pm |
| 686 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:23:38pm |
re: #672 cliffster
I opened LGF when the thread was on comment #666. That's some bad shit.
Just hang some garlic around your neck. You will be alright.
| 687 |
BryanS Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:23:43pm |
re: #673 Walter L. Newton
Oh fuck... double upchuck.
Did you hear... I am now officially working the Sat./Sun. overnights, baby sitting self scan and stocking Aisle 7. The part time weekend guy busted out his knee, doctor won't let him work, told him he needs an operation, workman's comp won't approve a operation, he's between a rock and a hard place... guess who gets to work his shift until this is all worked out... moi.
Better than no job, but now not as good as it was... I rather just be cashiering during the week.
If the guy busted his knee in the course of doing work, workmens comp should be covering it. I guess a lot of those laws and rules vary by state, but if the injury was related to the job the guy was doing and if that was in Wisconsin, there is no doubt workmens comp would have to cover any procedure deemed necessary by a competent doctor.
| 689 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:24:28pm |
re: #676 Stanley Sea
Interesting the internet travels you are enjoying right now.
When I was a kid in FL I had photos up in my room of all the hot surf spots in California. Now I live down the street from them. California yeah!
Right on dudette!
| 690 |
prairiefire Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:24:32pm |
Well, you guys have been having fun. I can hardly hear from the din.
| 691 |
Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:24:43pm |
re: #684 Gus 802
I find big wave surfing mesmerizing. That's North Shore in Hawaii though. :) Ken Bradshaw.
85 foot wave!
| 692 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:26:18pm |
re: #685 HoosierHoops
meet the new boss
Same as the old boss..
Not really. The pay is better, but the health plan is shittier.
| 693 |
Digital Display Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:26:40pm |
re: #691 Gus 802
85 foot wave!
That looks like Turtle bay on the North Shore..The ground shakes with every wave..Saw a woman's tennis championship there once..
| 694 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:26:56pm |
re: #687 BryanS
If the guy busted his knee in the course of doing work, workmens comp should be covering it. I guess a lot of those laws and rules vary by state, but if the injury was related to the job the guy was doing and if that was in Wisconsin, there is no doubt workmens comp would have to cover any procedure deemed necessary by a competent doctor.
It was work related... but I know for a fact that Colorado workman's comp will fight tooth and nail to DENY claims. Back in 89-90, I was part owner of a company, and I had to deal with workman's comp on a number of occasions, I ran handy men around the state doing minor maintenance on foreclosed properties... WC tried as hard as they could to NOT pay claims... no matter what.
| 695 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:27:07pm |
| 697 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:27:42pm |
re: #658 BryanS
Antec makes decent power supplies. It's been a while since I've felt the need to build my own computer though. Since I'm not a gamer, I can get enough performance at a price point less than I can assemble one for. Of course if I install Linux and forgo the MS Windows "tax" , I might get close to the same price for a mid range desktop I build.
I sell systems for a living so I have access to a hell of a range, but I wanted a specific look and performance, including the ability to overclock. Even though I've sold hundreds of OEM systems, I've still built probably close to fifty of my own systems over the last 25 years. It's just something I like doing.
Windoze doesn't really cost me anything, but I do use Linux and VMs.
| 698 |
Gus Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:27:54pm |
re: #693 HoosierHoops
That looks like Turtle bay on the North Shore..The ground shakes with every wave..Saw a woman's tennis championship there once..
Yeah, they say the big waves at Mavericks at Half Moon Bay will create seismic readings at Cal State.
| 699 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:27:59pm |
re: #694 Walter L. Newton
It was work related... but I know for a fact that Colorado workman's comp will fight tooth and nail to DENY claims. Back in 89-90, I was part owner of a company, and I had to deal with workman's comp on a number of occasions, I ran handy men around the state doing minor maintenance on foreclosed properties... WC tried as hard as they could to NOT pay claims... no matter what.
Oh, yeah. That's been my experience as well.
| 700 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:29:12pm |
For anyone who has a Facebook, I would like to inform you all of a really stupid new feature, if you are okay with it.
| 701 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:29:38pm |
re: #688 Varek Raith
Damn.
Yep... so I get most of my 20 hours in two overnights, and then a small 4 hour shift during the week (tomorrow for instance)... I guess it's not too bad... I don't have to deal with all the holiday busy, aisle 7 is cereal/coffee, not really back busting stocking, and I get most of the rest of the week off for other endeavors... it'll be fine for now.
| 702 |
BryanS Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:29:59pm |
re: #694 Walter L. Newton
It was work related... but I know for a fact that Colorado workman's comp will fight tooth and nail to DENY claims. Back in 89-90, I was part owner of a company, and I had to deal with workman's comp on a number of occasions, I ran handy men around the state doing minor maintenance on foreclosed properties... WC tried as hard as they could to NOT pay claims... no matter what.
Definitely sounds like Colorado is bad on workmens comp. Kind of defeats the purpose of workmens comp.
| 703 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:30:37pm |
re: #700 ProLifeLiberal
For anyone who has a Facebook, I would like to inform you all of a really stupid new feature, if you are okay with it.
I don't do FB but my wife is addicted to it.
| 704 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:31:05pm |
re: #698 Gus 802
Yeah, they say the big waves at Mavericks at Half Moon Bay will create seismic readings at Cal State.
CA is sooo cool...I love that place, and plan to move there when NM is destroyed by Renegade Space Lesbians From Planet G-Spot
| 705 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:31:12pm |
| 706 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:31:22pm |
re: #699 Varek Raith
Oh, yeah. That's been my experience as well.
Yep... I've never had to file a claim for myself, but in 20 years in Colorado, I've probably known at least a dozen people who had legit claims, and never got a cent or any coverage.
| 707 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:31:57pm |
re: #702 BryanS
Definitely sounds like Colorado is bad on workmens comp. Kind of defeats the purpose of workmens comp.
now I HATE Colorado....HATE!
| 708 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:32:53pm |
re: #706 Walter L. Newton
Yep... I've never had to file a claim for myself, but in 20 years in Colorado, I've probably known at least a dozen people who had legit claims, and never got a cent or any coverage.
you been there that long?
| 709 |
BryanS Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:33:30pm |
re: #697 b_sharp
I sell systems for a living so I have access to a hell of a range, but I wanted a specific look and performance, including the ability to overclock. Even though I've sold hundreds of OEM systems, I've still built probably close to fifty of my own systems over the last 25 years. It's just something I like doing.
Windoze doesn't really cost me anything, but I do use Linux and VMs.
It can be fun to be a tech snob at times--I like to ridicule people who use the combination if Windows with a Belkin wireless router to connect to the internet. I like to say that they're using their Windoesn't computer with a Belcan't router.
Oem system building has to be a tough business to be in--unless you can find a good niche like gamers or business clients.
| 710 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:33:41pm |
Ugh. the latest Steam update is very annoying. Shit keeps popping up and won't go away.
| 711 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:34:15pm |
Conservatives Spending Hours Voting For Bristol Palin To Get Back At ACORN
[Link: wonkette.com...]
heh
| 712 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:34:18pm |
re: #710 Killgore Trout
Ugh. the latest Steam update is very annoying. Shit keeps popping up and won't go away.
Steam?
| 713 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:34:37pm |
re: #682 Slumbering Behemoth
You a numerologist or something?
Well, he's not a Satanist that's for sure. :)
| 714 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:35:05pm |
re: #708 albusteve
you been there that long?
Yes, actually almost 21 years, moved here spring 1989 from Houston, Texas. Was in various towns in Texas from 1974-1989... before that, Northern New Jersey from 1964-1974 and Brooklyn New York from 1952-1964.
| 715 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:35:32pm |
Goodnight folks. I have to work in the morning after a boring 3 hour drive where the cruise control that should take over all driving, but only cares about speed, will not let me sleep.
| 716 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:35:57pm |
re: #711 Stanley Sea
Conservatives Spending Hours Voting For Bristol Palin To Get Back At ACORN
[Link: wonkette.com...]
heh
Everyone's got to have a hobby.
Granted, this one is a little weird, but also, presumably, short-term.
| 717 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:36:18pm |
re: #692 Slumbering Behemoth
Not really. The pay is better, but the health plan is shittier.
Well at least you have a health plan......... I have to wait till 2014.
| 718 |
prairiefire Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:36:31pm |
If you are close to 50 , have a base line colonoscopy, people! My hubby left a little bit of himself at the GI's office today. The dr sliced off an unfriendly looking little polyp.
| 719 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:36:43pm |
re: #712 NJDhockeyfan
It's a online gaming store thingy that functions as a hub to play games and play some games online. I'm not good at explaining.
| 720 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:36:52pm |
re: #709 BryanS
It can be fun to be a tech snob at times--I like to ridicule people who use the combination if Windows with a Belkin wireless router to connect to the internet. I like to say that they're using their Windoesn't computer with a Belcan't router.
Oem system building has to be a tough business to be in--unless you can find a good niche like gamers or business clients.
First Nations' businesses.
| 721 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:36:57pm |
re: #716 SanFranciscoZionist
Everyone's got to have a hobby.
Granted, this one is a little weird, but also, presumably, short-term.
Yeah, but if Bristol wins her mother will be even more insufferable.
| 722 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:37:40pm |
re: #704 albusteve
CA is sooo cool...I love that place, and plan to move there when NM is destroyed by Renegade Space Lesbians From Planet G-Spot
Bullshit.
You'd stay.
///
| 723 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:38:07pm |
re: #718 prairiefire
If you are close to 50 , have a base line colonoscopy, people! My hubby left a little bit of himself at the GI's office today. The dr sliced off an unfriendly looking little polyp.
Great for those who have insurance..... imagine what that would cost?
| 724 |
cliffster Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:38:09pm |
| 725 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:38:26pm |
| 726 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:39:05pm |
re: #714 Walter L. Newton
Yes, actually almost 21 years, moved here spring 1989 from Houston, Texas. Was in various towns in Texas from 1974-1989... before that, Northern New Jersey from 1964-1974 and Brooklyn New York from 1952-1964.
I gotta get back up there...soon come
| 727 |
BryanS Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:39:06pm |
| 728 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:39:44pm |
re: #726 albusteve
I gotta get back up there...soon come
You know the door is alway open... maybe spring... when it warms up a bit and the weather is not so wonky.
| 729 |
prairiefire Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:40:02pm |
re: #723 Mr Pancakes
I think around $1100. I'll be able to tell you when I see a statement. We will pay, maybe $240? Not sure.
| 730 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:40:31pm |
re: #721 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, but if Bristol wins her mother will be even more insufferable.
I'm reading the Jezebel take, hilarious. Check out Sister Sarah's twitter about Bristol's dance
| 731 |
prairiefire Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:40:46pm |
re: #728 Walter L. Newton
You know the door is alway open... maybe spring... when it warms up a bit and the weather is not so wonky.
Could he take the Amtrak, Walter?
| 732 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:40:54pm |
re: #729 prairiefire
I think around $1100. I'll be able to tell you when I see a statement. We will pay, maybe $240? Not sure.
$1100?...try ten times that much, or more
| 733 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:41:33pm |
| 734 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:41:39pm |
re: #721 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, but if Bristol wins her mother will be even more insufferable.
If she loses, it will be blamed on liberal sneakysnakes voting against her, so I don't think there's any way it can NOT be irritating. Except, probably not to me, since I don't watch DWTS.
| 735 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:42:19pm |
| 736 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:42:53pm |
re: #730 Stanley Sea
I'm reading the Jezebel take, hilarious. Check out Sister Sarah's twitter about Bristol's dance
I am having a very strange mental image of that, but perhaps it's set to a piece of music from the movie?
That's the only explanation I can come up with right now.
| 737 |
BryanS Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:42:56pm |
re: #734 SanFranciscoZionist
If she loses, it will be blamed on liberal sneakysnakes voting against her, so I don't think there's any way it can NOT be irritating. Except, probably not to me, since I don't watch DWTS.
What exactly makes Bristol a "star"?
| 738 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:43:24pm |
re: #729 prairiefire
I think around $1100. I'll be able to tell you when I see a statement. We will pay, maybe $240? Not sure.
$1100 is out of my price range........ if I have a major "anything" we go to Mexico.... the problem is (even though it's a lot cheaper) they want the money up front.
| 739 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:43:31pm |
re: #731 prairiefire
Could he take the Amtrak, Walter?
No... two Amtrak routes go through colorado... one in the northern end of the state (through Denver) an another through the southern end (through Trinidad)... but never the twain meets.
| 740 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:43:42pm |
| 741 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:44:09pm |
re: #737 BryanS
What exactly makes Bristol a "star"?
Well, her mother is Sarah Palin.
And she's done some bit parts on TV.
And she's a public service person for Candies.
I dunno. It's a thin resume, but I've never heard of half of the people in People magazine, either.
| 742 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:45:11pm |
re: #741 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, her mother is Sarah Palin.
And she's done some bit parts on TV.
And she's a public service person for Candies.I dunno. It's a thin resume, but I've never heard of half of the people in People magazine, either.
We're just not hip.
Or where it's at.
Or...
I've got no clue what I'm saying.
;)
| 743 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:45:24pm |
re: #739 Walter L. Newton
No... two Amtrak routes go through colorado... one in the northern end of the state (through Denver) an another through the southern end (through Trinidad)... but never the twain meets.
gotta take an Amtrac bus, I believe....from Raton?...it's a problem
| 744 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:45:51pm |
re: #736 SanFranciscoZionist
I am having a very strange mental image of that, but perhaps it's set to a piece of music from the movie?
That's the only explanation I can come up with right now.
I have no idea. Nada.
Just read that someone posted about voting 300 times for her using fake emails. Whatever these folks get off on I guess.
[Link: jezebel.com...]
As Steve says, American Idol politics full force.
| 745 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:47:30pm |
re: #744 Stanley Sea
I have no idea. Nada.
Just read that someone posted about voting 300 times for her using fake emails. Whatever these folks get off on I guess.
[Link: jezebel.com...]
As Steve says, American Idol politics full force.
Is this kind of like the Ron Paul Internet Poll Brigades???
XD
| 746 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:47:55pm |
re: #741 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, her mother is Sarah Palin.
And she's done some bit parts on TV.
And she's a public service person for Candies.I dunno. It's a thin resume, but I've never heard of half of the people in People magazine, either.
Her newest Candies ad was with "The Situation" from "Jersey Shore". Yick.
| 747 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:48:10pm |
re: #743 albusteve
gotta take an Amtrac bus, I believe...from Raton?...it's a problem
I think there is some sort of bus service to "bridge" the routes.
| 748 |
prairiefire Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:48:21pm |
re: #732 albusteve
We go to an Endoscopy, outpatient office and it is around $1100 to $1200. I think our GI Dr. is handsome. He is retired air force with a chiseled jaw.
Night, lizards.
| 749 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:48:31pm |
re: #746 Dark_Falcon
Her newest Candies ad was with "The Situation" from "Jersey Shore". Yick.
I have no clue what any of that is.
| 750 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:48:40pm |
re: #746 Dark_Falcon
Her newest Candies ad was with "The Situation" from "Jersey Shore". Yick.
Let me guess. He's going to stay a virgin until he's married?
//Oh, dear God.
| 751 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:49:06pm |
Nighty night... going to lie down and listen to Michael Medved...
| 752 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:49:11pm |
re: #744 Stanley Sea
I have no idea. Nada.
Just read that someone posted about voting 300 times for her using fake emails. Whatever these folks get off on I guess.
[Link: jezebel.com...]As Steve says, American Idol politics full force.
Could you PLEASE use different wording.
To be fair though, my family has taken to calling as many times as possible to make sure Bristol doesn't win.
| 753 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:49:16pm |
| 754 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:49:27pm |
re: #748 prairiefire
We go to an Endoscopy, outpatient office and it is around $1100 to $1200. I think our GI Dr. is handsome. He is retired air force with a chiseled jaw.
Night, lizards.
when I need heart surgery, I'll call
thanks
| 755 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:50:02pm |
re: #739 Walter L. Newton
No... two Amtrak routes go through colorado... one in the northern end of the state (through Denver) an another through the southern end (through Trinidad)... but never the twain meets.
Have they installed phone lines out there in Colorado yet or are you still using telegraphs?
| 756 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:50:06pm |
re: #749 Varek Raith
I have no clue what any of that is.
I would explain, but it's stupid, and I am embarrassed to understand any of it.
| 757 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:50:26pm |
re: #753 Dark_Falcon
Lucky you.
TV sucks.
I avoid it.
Makes me a bit clueless on certain subjects though.
| 758 |
cliffster Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:51:57pm |
Check out my new gig, selling shirts
I can also hook you up with one of those little muscle shocker things so you can get chiseled abs while watching football
| 759 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:52:15pm |
re: #747 Walter L. Newton
I think there is some sort of bus service to "bridge" the routes.
yeah, the train goes up from here, maybe to Trinidad, but turns east across Kansas, to St Louis and then Chicago...from there go anywhere
| 760 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:52:56pm |
re: #755 NJDhockeyfan
Have they installed phone lines out there in Colorado yet or are you still using telegraphs?
smoke signals
| 761 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:53:08pm |
re: #752 ProLifeLiberal
Could you PLEASE use different wording.
To be fair though, my family has taken to calling as many times as possible to make sure Bristol doesn't win.
At least we don't do elections like that. Just imagine.
| 762 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:53:37pm |
re: #756 SanFranciscoZionist
I would explain, but it's stupid, and I am embarrassed to understand any of it.
how sweet...that is just so nice
| 763 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:54:33pm |
re: #758 cliffster
Check out my new gig, selling shirts
I can also hook you up with one of those little muscle shocker things so you can get chiseled abs while watching football
lol.
That guy and Snookie (McCain's good buddy) actually rang the closing bell at the NYSE. Oh the humanity!
| 764 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:58:16pm |
re: #761 SanFranciscoZionist
At least we don't do elections like that. Just imagine.
In San Francisco they don't do that. Chicago has sometimes done it that way.
| 765 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:02:53pm |
I think I may have put my friend's life in danger. I told him to look at this video, and I think he might be dying from laughter right now.
| 766 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:06:35pm |
I'm in LA now, bonding with my moonbat sister. 5 of my kids are already here, my daughter from Israel is coming in tomorrow night. The funeral will be on Thursday.
My mom is holding up well. I think she really likes having her grandkids here.
| 767 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:08:31pm |
re: #766 Alouette
I'm in LA now, bonding with my moonbat sister. 5 of my kids are already here, my daughter from Israel is coming in tomorrow night. The funeral will be on Thursday.
My mom is holding up well. I think she really likes having her grandkids here.
Great to hear. Nothing can make someone feel better than being surrounded by family.
| 768 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:10:30pm |
My sister is sleeping in my dad's room, in his bed. She said, "what's the big deal? I changed the linens. I'm not superstitious."
Creepy as hell.
| 769 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:15:52pm |
re: #768 Alouette
How you holding up, sweetie?
| 771 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:22:27pm |
| 772 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:23:49pm |
Severe thunderstorm just came through.
Crazy.
| 774 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:25:34pm |
re: #770 Alouette
My sister is so freaking annoying.
The barking of a moonbat can be very hard on the ears.
| 775 |
cliffster Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:30:12pm |
all the news stories are about the election. all the commercials are viagra and cialis. election, erection, election, erection.. either way we're screwed
| 777 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:33:51pm |
| 778 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:35:33pm |
I mean, she is the original crunchy unshaven armpits hippie. Geez girl, go to a beauty parlor and get a facial! Get your hair done!
She is younger than me and she looks years older because of this "all natural graying hair no colors no perms" and "no makeup, no moisturizer, natural wrinkles" bullshit.
I'd tell her to go to the Zionist Mall and buy some Ahava stuff, but I don't want to get into an argument with her over BDS.
| 779 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:37:00pm |
re: #778 Alouette
I mean, she is the original crunchy unshaven armpits hippie. Geez girl, go to a beauty parlor and get a facial! Get your hair done!
She is younger than me and she looks years older because of this "all natural graying hair no colors no perms" and "no makeup, no moisturizer, natural wrinkles" bullshit.
I'd tell her to go to the Zionist Mall and buy some Ahava stuff, but I don't want to get into an argument with her over BDS.
Moonbat...hippie....no bra, right?
Are you sure you don't have one of my aunts down there?
| 780 |
Kragar Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:37:15pm |
re: #765 Slumbering Behemoth
I think I may have put my friend's life in danger. I told him to look at this video, and I think he might be dying from laughter right now.
Of course, he could also be describing a penis. Fits perfectly in the hand, rounded tip for easy entry...
| 781 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:38:08pm |
re: #778 Alouette
I mean, she is the original crunchy unshaven armpits hippie. Geez girl, go to a beauty parlor and get a facial! Get your hair done!
She is younger than me and she looks years older because of this "all natural graying hair no colors no perms" and "no makeup, no moisturizer, natural wrinkles" bullshit.
I'd tell her to go to the Zionist Mall and buy some Ahava stuff, but I don't want to get into an argument with her over BDS.
I saw a girl at a bus stop once that had a beard........ she was pulling on it.
| 782 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:38:51pm |
re: #781 Mr Pancakes
I saw a girl at a bus stop once that had a beard... she was pulling on it.
The beard ,, or the bus stop!?!?!
| 783 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:39:45pm |
re: #782 sattv4u2
The beard ,, or the bus stop!?!?!
The beard... she was really proud of it........ I was freaked out.
| 784 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:40:49pm |
re: #783 Mr Pancakes
The beard... she was really proud of it... I was freaked out.
How do you know she was proud of it?
Maybe she was trying to pull it off!!
| 785 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:41:34pm |
re: #784 sattv4u2
How do you know she was proud of it?
Maybe she was trying to pull it off!!
She was telling someone about it with a smile.
| 786 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:41:56pm |
re: #779 EmmmieG
Moonbat...hippie...no bra, right?
Are you sure you don't have one of my aunts down there?
I'm pretty sure she wears a bra, otherwise her tits would be hanging down around her knees.
| 787 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:42:18pm |
| 788 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:42:28pm |
re: #781 Mr Pancakes
I saw a girl at a bus stop once that had a beard... she was pulling on it.
Wait ,,, who had the beard ,, the girl ,, or the bus stop !?!?!
| 789 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:43:15pm |
re: #786 Alouette
I'm pretty sure she wears a bra, otherwise her tits would be hanging down around her knees.
Ah, then it's not one of my aunts.
My poor cousin is a hoot when you talk to her about what it was like to try and figure out female hygiene.
She (the cousin) rebelled against her mother by getting into things like waxing and facials and spas.
| 790 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:43:24pm |
re: #787 Dark_Falcon
That is weird.
Yea... that was weird...... but in the 70's..... although I haven't seen any girl with a beard since.
| 791 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:43:48pm |
| 792 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:46:29pm |
re: #789 EmmmieG
Ah, then it's not one of my aunts.
My poor cousin is a hoot when you talk to her about what it was like to try and figure out female hygiene.
She (the cousin) rebelled against her mother by getting into things like waxing and facials and spas.
Kids are going to rebel against the parent, even if that means they're just going mainstream. It's silly but often a key part of establishing their own identity.
| 793 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:47:35pm |
re: #792 Dark_Falcon
Kids are going to rebel against the parent, even if that means they're just going mainstream. It's silly but often a key part of establishing their own identity.
I never rebelled against my parents. I think I rebelled against the mainstream of teenager-hood. (Just invented that.) If it was popular, I didn't want it.
| 794 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:47:38pm |
re: #792 Dark_Falcon
Kids are going to rebel against the parent, even if that means they're just going mainstream. It's silly but often a key part of establishing their own identity.
Head that off at the pass...... hand on the burner always works.
/
| 795 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:48:44pm |
re: #793 EmmmieG
I never rebelled against my parents. I think I rebelled against the mainstream of teenager-hood. (Just invented that.) If it was popular, I didn't want it.
Which is not to say I didn't stockpile ammunition in case I needed it.
| 796 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:49:58pm |
re: #790 Mr Pancakes
Yea... that was weird... but in the 70's... although I haven't seen any girl with a beard since.
Was her name Sherry Glaser?
| 797 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:51:26pm |
| 798 |
elizajane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:51:52pm |
re: #793 EmmmieG
I never rebelled against my parents. I think I rebelled against the mainstream of teenager-hood. (Just invented that.) If it was popular, I didn't want it.
I did that too! And here I thought I was so unique.
I refused to wear blue jeans all the way through college because I'd decided they were a trite gesture of non-conformity. I was a snooty little so-and-so.
[Looks down at self today. Sighs.]
| 799 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:55:06pm |
re: #797 Mr Pancakes
Could have been but she had small boobies.
Well, that showcases your priorities.
| 800 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:55:22pm |
re: #797 Mr Pancakes
Could have been but she had small boobies.
Not Glaser then. Her boobs hang down past her belt buckle.
| 801 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:56:29pm |
re: #800 NJDhockeyfan
Not Glaser then. Her boobs hang down past her belt buckle.
My point then.......
| 802 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:59:53pm |
re: #799 Dark_Falcon
Well, that showcases your priorities.
Let's take our priorities to the new thread... shall we?
| 803 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:04:48pm |
Wellre: #778 Alouette
I mean, she is the original crunchy unshaven armpits hippie. Geez girl, go to a beauty parlor and get a facial! Get your hair done!
She is younger than me and she looks years older because of this "all natural graying hair no colors no perms" and "no makeup, no moisturizer, natural wrinkles" bullshit.
I'd tell her to go to the Zionist Mall and buy some Ahava stuff, but I don't want to get into an argument with her over BDS.
I guess I'm on the side of the bullshit then, along with just about everyone I know, hahaha
All my female friends are busying making art for a living, beauty is a bigger thing than just doing your hair to me *shrug*
| 804 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:18:29pm |
re: #803 WindUpBird
Everyone has their own point of view on things, but it's not exactly the kindest of acts to nitpick and gripe at someone who is venting about family issues while burying their father.
I humbly suggest you let this one slide.
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