European Leaders Appeal to GOP Not to Block START

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The Republican Party is getting so crazy they’re starting to scare the whole world.

LISBON, Portugal (CNN) – Several nations once in the shadow of the Iron Curtain have a message for Republicans in Congress: Don’t stop New START before it starts.

Making their appeal on behalf of the U.S.-Russian nuclear arms control treaty, the foreign ministers of Denmark, Norway, Latvia, Bulgaria, Hungary and Lithuania crashed a Saturday press conference by a senior U.S. administration official about talks with Afghan President Hamid Karzai. While President Barack Obama has said ratifying the treaty should be a top priority for Congress, key Republican senators have said they don’t think a vote on it should be held before the new Congress convenes in January.

Danish Foreign Minister Lene Espersen said she spearheaded the media blitz to “make the Republican Party aware of how important this is.”

“If (New) START is not ratified, it will have a real impact on European security,” she said. “We hope we can sign it as soon as possible.”

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theheat Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:17:17pm

The Republican Party is getting so crazy they’re starting to scare the whole world.

They've been scaring me long enough. You know what they say about shit: it runs downhill. Welcome to our flavor of crazy, Europe.

Kragar Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:18:21pm

Well, we all know how the GOP responds to anything from those socialist degenerates from Europe.
/

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:19:38pm

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

yep, now it will never be ratified.

researchok Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:27:27pm

There is absolutely no reason to block START. These treaties have no history of grief of any kind.

This all about political posturing and an unwillingness to give Obama any kind of credit, even when it is warranted.

Obama has a stellar record on national security. He has shown his willingness to buck his base if it means compromise. He has kept many Bush policies in place and in some instances, fortified them.

The GOP ought to show the same kind of character.

albusteve Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:28:28pm

I don't see how not signing at this time makes the US "more vulnerable" and that a few more weeks will make any difference...but what is McCain talking about with regard to "needing more discussion"?...the dems have promised the money for nuclear upgrades and maintenance etc...I think the GOP wants to take the reins from the WH and carry the ball on their own terms, but there doesn't seem to be any other terms that they are making public

Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:31:44pm

re: #5 albusteve

It's the worst side of obstructionism. The GOP can dick around on health care all it wants without impacting strategic relationships. This is a whole 'nother thing. Just ask Rep Lugar.

Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:37:36pm

Aw heck with it
SNIP-LONGISH

But it is Sen. Lugar's stance on New START that went over badly with Republican colleagues. When Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl on Tuesday announced his opposition to a ratification vote this year, the other members of the GOP caucus took their cue from him to push the issue into the new Senate. The lame duck docket is full as is, and Sen. Kyl wants firmer promises from the Administration on nuclear modernization and missile defense before taking up the treaty with Russia.

Sen. Lugar, who prides himself on his non-proliferation work over the years, came out in favor of New START early on. That wasn't surprising. But Republicans were taken aback by his willingness to join the White House PR push this week, and especially his harsh words for the GOP caucus. "At the moment, the Republican caucus is tied up in a situation where people don't want to make choices," he said. "No one wants to be counted." Mr. Lugar is the lone Republican to support ratification now, which leaves the White House at least seven votes short of the required two-thirds in the Senate.

Okami Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:38:29pm

My guess is they want to wait until the new congress is in session, then make up some reason why Obama's proposal is bad, then introduce a nearly identical proposal and try to take all the credit.

Or they could be trying to let terrorists get a nuke, so they can complain about how weak Obama is on terrorism. I really can't tell.

Kragar Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:39:31pm

THE FALLOUT OF KYL'S BETRAYAL

They disregard the pleas of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and listen to the confused misjudgments of a buffoon from Arizona. They assume the public isn't paying attention, so there won't be political consequences. They expect this to hurt the foreign policy power of the United States, but they're fine with that since there's a Democratic president.

When it comes to Russia, inspection of the country's long-range nuclear bases will remain suspended indefinitely; the country's hard-liners will be emboldened; and Russia's willingness to cooperate with U.S. on Iran or on Afghanistan will likely disappear.

But in the bigger picture, countries around the globe will see this as a reminder that negotiating with the United States is pointless, since the country is burdened with a Republican Party that puts partisan hatred above the country's interests. It hurts American credibility in ways that are hard to even gauge.

Sleep well, Jon Kyl. Dream of the time when the United States had the respect and stature to lead the world.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:41:17pm

Robert Gates is fer it... So, I am. I trust his judgment more than elected officials.

Here's the article.

Nervous Norvous Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:41:38pm

Afternoon all.

Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:41:51pm

re: #4 researchok

The thing that separates the "loyal opposition" from craven partisanship is the willingness to acknowledge when the other side has it right. Obama has START as good as it gets given negotiations. And we have no loyal opposition to offer. Think about that. Not good at all..

HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:42:02pm

I don't get what the Senate Republicans exempting Lugar are thinking at all. I believe if I am not mistaken that nearly all the living former secretaries of states from both parties administrations have urged ratification. I have a lot of respect for Senator Lugar for how he's handled this though. The others I think are being party hacks in the worst way and the cynic in me sees them doing just so they can push a narrative to their base about Obama being "weak" on national security.

APox Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:44:07pm

Comment from "TOTAL FACT" on article:

WHo in Hades oputside of Obama said that the Republicans was going to stop START. You people overreact so muc you are pitiful. By now you surely should be able to not believe everything the Democrats want to put out. The Republicans and the Tea Partiers are so ready for treaty pacts with Russia. We have to have solid friends like Great Britan, Canada, France, Italy, Israel, an hopefully Russia. Obama has sold our sole to the devil in the Red Chinese. He is also Islamic so therefore his alliance lies with the Middle Eastern countries. Don't count on him to do anything responsible for the U.S.

............

My brain just exploded.

HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:45:44pm

re: #14 APox

Comment from "TOTAL FACT" on article:

WHo in Hades oputside of Obama said that the Republicans was going to stop START. You people overreact so muc you are pitiful. By now you surely should be able to not believe everything the Democrats want to put out. The Republicans and the Tea Partiers are so ready for treaty pacts with Russia. We have to have solid friends like Great Britan, Canada, France, Italy, Israel, an hopefully Russia. Obama has sold our sole to the devil in the Red Chinese. He is also Islamic so therefore his alliance lies with the Middle Eastern countries. Don't count on him to do anything responsible for the U.S.

...

My brain just exploded.

What a dumbass turd. Seriously, it hurts my head to see how ignorant people are. It's a matter of public fact that no Republican senator outside of Senator Lugar has declared support for ratifiying this treaty. Seriously, the anti Obama paranoia is some crazy shit

Varek Raith Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:46:45pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

What a dumbass turd. Seriously, it hurts my head to see how ignorant people are. It's a matter of public fact that no Republican senator outside of Senator Lugar has declared support for ratifiying this treaty. Seriously, the anti Obama paranoia is some crazy shit

So many in the GOP need an existential enemy.
Be it Russia or China.

Nervous Norvous Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:48:00pm

re: #14 APox

Obama has sold our sole to the devil in the Red Chinese.

Do they like their sole grill or fried? Or was it for a bunch of Nikes being made in one of the factories there?

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:48:23pm

Obama has sold our sole to the devil in the Red Chinese.

Fuckin' hell! So that's what happened to my missing shoes. Jokes on them, they were made in Red China to begin with. Ha!
/:P

APox Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:49:01pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

What a dumbass turd. Seriously, it hurts my head to see how ignorant people are. It's a matter of public fact that no Republican senator outside of Senator Lugar has declared support for ratifiying this treaty. Seriously, the anti Obama paranoia is some crazy shit

It's just fucking RIDICULOUS. There was another comment that someone had posted:

"This is my daily prayer:

Dear CIA please do to Obama what you did to Kennedy."

The fact people just willingly say awful stuff like that shows where we are at. There are so many big and important things happening in this generation and nobody is really rising up against the tide of bullshit paranoia and falsehoods.

You are "out there" if you believe in global warming.
You are "out there" if you believe in religious tolerance (in regards to Muslims/Juan Williams)
You are "out there" if you support our president.

Everything Obama touches is suddenly suspect. It's quite tiring.

Nervous Norvous Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:49:03pm

re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth

Fuckin' hell! So that's what happened to my missing shoes. Jokes on them, they were made in Red China to begin with. Ha!
/:P

Beat ya to it..and added a fish reference to boot!

Nervous Norvous Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:50:38pm

Hey Jade...you get my email?

HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:51:34pm

re: #19 APox

It's just fucking RIDICULOUS. There was another comment that someone had posted:

"This is my daily prayer:

Dear CIA please do to Obama what you did to Kennedy."

The fact people just willingly say awful stuff like that shows where we are at. There are so many big and important things happening in this generation and nobody is really rising up against the tide of bullshit paranoia and falsehoods.

You are "out there" if you believe in global warming.
You are "out there" if you believe in religious tolerance (in regards to Muslims/Juan Williams)
You are "out there" if you support our president.

Everything Obama touches is suddenly suspect. It's quite tiring.

Oh sheesh and today as I am sure you know is the 47th anniversary JFK was killed too. It's really messed up. I mean I can understand people who disagree with Obama just fine. But the people who actually think he's out to Islamize this counry and make us in to the Soviet Union are insane and impossible to have rational conversations with.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:52:25pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

I don't remember where I was.

Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:52:50pm

re: #8 Okami

My guess is they want to wait until the new congress is in session, then make up some reason why Obama's proposal is bad, then introduce a nearly identical proposal and try to take all the credit.

Or they could be trying to let terrorists get a nuke, so they can complain about how weak Obama is on terrorism. I really can't tell.

I'm positive your second idea is spot on... that's certainly what they are intending to have happen.

Geeeesssshhhhh...

elizajane Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:53:08pm

Here's what I find really weird. The GOP are doing this ONLY because it pushes the buttons of Obama and his supporters. It doesn't actually do much, if anything, in a direct way for the Republicans with their own supporters. It's not as if there had been a huge Tea Party outcry over the new START treaty; and what's more, there is still no outcry. Drudge, Townhall, HotAir, all the usual suspects are pretty much silent on this topic. Nobody in the larger Republican constituency gives a rat's *ss about what happens in Europe. This is just a little Capitol Hill tiff with massive implications for European security.

The pettiness is staggering, if that's not an oxymoron.

Jadespring Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:53:46pm

re: #21 PT Barnum

Hey Jade...you get my email?

Yes I did. I've been so busy the past couple of days plus my internet has been wonky that I haven't been able to reply yet. So sorry.

Long story short, I'll be a guinea pig. :)

APox Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:53:51pm

re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't remember where I was.

I was still swimming.

/ :P

SteveC Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:54:02pm

Danish Foreign Minister Lene Espersen said she spearheaded the media blitz to “make the Republican Party aware of how important this is.”
“If (New) START is not ratified, it will have a real impact on European security,” she said. “We hope we can sign it as soon as possible.”

Interpretation: Whenever people get all pissy at each other, they tend to have it out in the center of Europe. Things get broken and people get hurt.

We're tired of being the world's field of battle.

SteveC Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:57:06pm

re: #27 APox

I was still swimming.

/ :P

I remember walking into the bedroom with my dad and walking out with my mom!

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:57:18pm

re: #25 elizajane

that's the point. The base want the republicans to do nothing but oppose Obama. That's been obvious from day one and is more obvious after this last election cycle. The base doesn't care what they might "get out of it" because what they get is to see Obama "stopped" and, hopefully in their eyes, humiliated.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 22, 2010 1:57:43pm

re: #29 SteveC

That is funny.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:00:00pm

re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was alive... just not aware. Probably napping. Just over a year old.

Firstinla Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:02:09pm

re: #30 Dreggas

that's the point. The base want the republicans to do nothing but oppose Obama. That's been obvious from day one and is more obvious after this last election cycle. The base doesn't care what they might "get out of it" because what they get is to see Obama "stopped" and, hopefully in their eyes, humiliated.

It goes back to Limbaugh's "Of course I want Obama to fail." What he probably said off-mike was: "And I don't give a fuck who gets hurt in the process."

_RememberTonyC Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:03:49pm

When nations like Latvia, Bulgaria, and Hungary feel this is a good thing, I give them more credence than places like Norway. The democracies that are former soviet satellites have more credibility on this issue than the norweigans (or the republicans in this country) since they have recently lived under real tyranny and understand dealing with Russia better than others. So we really need to heed what those countries say on this.

albusteve Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:03:56pm

re: #33 Firstinla

It goes back to Limbaugh's "Of course I want Obama to fail." What he probably said off-mike was: "And I don't give a fuck who gets hurt in the process."

yes, probably

SteveC Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:04:42pm

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albusteve Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:06:09pm

re: #34 _RememberTonyC

When nations like Latvia, Bulgaria, and Hungary feel this is a good thing, I give them more credence than places like Norway. The democracies that are former soviet satellites have more credibility on this issue than the norweigans (or the republicans in this country) since they have recently lived under real tyranny and understand dealing with Russia better than others. So we really need to heed what those countries say on this.

I think it's safe to say that treaty or not, the US will rescue Europe from itself one more time...they may hate us but they certainly respect our muscle

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:06:31pm

I'm glad at least Europe is noticing how crazy parts of our country are

Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:08:33pm

Will it fly?
Lockheed Martin Samarai monocopter UAV

Liveleak Video

Damn.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:10:19pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

KILGORE I JUST CAN'T CONSIDER YOU AMURICAN

j/k that thing is awesome and bizarre :D

HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:10:31pm

re: #34 _RememberTonyC

When nations like Latvia, Bulgaria, and Hungary feel this is a good thing, I give them more credence than places like Norway. The democracies that are former soviet satellites have more credibility on this issue than the norweigans (or the republicans in this country) since they have recently lived under real tyranny and understand dealing with Russia better than others. So we really need to heed what those countries say on this.

Good point there. I agree 100%.

Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:11:57pm

re: #5 albusteve

...but what is McCain talking about with regard to "needing more discussion"?...

Remember what he had to say about DADT.

Stanghazi Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:12:40pm

re: #29 SteveC

I remember walking into the bedroom with my dad and walking out with my mom!

I have never heard that one before! I think I've heard a lot too!

Saved for future use, thank you.

Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:13:53pm

re: #40 WindUpBird

KILGORE I JUST CAN'T CONSIDER YOU AMURICAN

j/k that thing is awesome and bizarre :D

Heh. You're in Southeast, right?
I ate at Over the Top Burger on Se 50th today. Possibly the best burger I've even had. I got the boar burger. $9 and very worth it.

Stanghazi Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:15:48pm

re: #38 WindUpBird

I'm glad at least Europe is noticing how crazy parts of our country are

It's fucking embarrassing, and dangerous.

SteveC Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:17:17pm

If you read the novel Warday, you may remember that Europe survived the nuclear exchange pretty much untouched. All of Europe - even the Warsaw Pact counties - had seen the US and the USSR becoming more and more belligerent and started signing secret treaties. The secret treaties stipulated that in case of an escalation, local forces would invade US/USSR bases on their soil and seize control. Then both sides would be contacted and informed that Europe was sitting this one out.

Doesn't seem quite so far fetched now.

Stanghazi Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:22:15pm

Check out this image from the recent Simpson's episode!!!

albusteve Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:23:06pm

re: #46 SteveC

If you read the novel Warday, you may remember that Europe survived the nuclear exchange pretty much untouched. All of Europe - even the Warsaw Pact counties - had seen the US and the USSR becoming more and more belligerent and started signing secret treaties. The secret treaties stipulated that in case of an escalation, local forces would invade US/USSR bases on their soil and seize control. Then both sides would be contacted and informed that Europe was sitting this one out.

Doesn't seem quite so far fetched now.

nobody is going to attack anybody with nukes, regardless of this treaty

SteveC Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:25:23pm

re: #48 albusteve

nobody is going to attack anybody with nukes, regardless of this treaty

Didn't say they were. Warday is a novel.

Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:28:39pm

re: #48 albusteve

nobody is going to attack anybody with nukes, regardless of this treaty

Major powers? Agreed. NK, or Iran, not so much.

Stanghazi Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:34:06pm

We're all fighting the shopping bug, ie. not going to the next thread.

kirkspencer Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:34:11pm

For what it's worth, I'm using this as my touchstone for the next two years.

I hope enough Republicans agree and the treaty gets ratified. I fear it won't. And if they won't ratify this - this treaty that's almost exactly what they wanted and which is clearly a national good - then I have little hope of reasonableness when more tests are faced.

I have little hope that they'll laugh at King's proposition to define a clause. Nothing much, just declaring that illegal immigrants are not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" for the purposes of the 14th amendment and birthright citizenship. (shades of creating a third grouping between combatant and non-combatant for the Geneva accords.) If that doesn't disturb you, you've not been paying attention to LudwigVanQuixote (hope I spelled that right).

I have little hope that they'll raise the debt ceiling. At which time for the first time in almost 200 years the "full faith and credit" of the United States will NOT be behind our debts.

I have little hope they'll do anything, any single thing, which might reflect well on Obama.

If they will not pass this treaty, it will be proof positive in my eyes that the current representation of the Republican party will have placed their party above their nation.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope they ratify it, or failing to do so still resist the other issues.

But I've learned to my sorry that the GOP of the past couple of years never takes the high road. I'm pessimistic it'll change now.

An adventure is something miserable happening to someone else somewhere else, preferably somewhen else. Welcome to the adventure.

Gus Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:37:45pm

Missile defense shield proposed for Europe. Missile defense also going up in Poland. The START treaty limiting deployed nuclear delivery vehicles to 700 - more than enough to destroy most of China and Russia combined. Defense spending currently going through congress is about to set a record. All of this done under the Obama administration.

My question to the congressional GOP is what the feck more do you want out of our military capabilities?

sagehen Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:38:25pm

re: #8 Okami

My guess is they want to wait until the new congress is in session, then make up some reason why Obama's proposal is bad, then introduce a nearly identical proposal and try to take all the credit.

Or they could be trying to let terrorists get a nuke, so they can complain about how weak Obama is on terrorism. I really can't tell.

They want to hold the treaty hostage for more tax cuts.

They're just that crass.

albusteve Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:39:59pm

re: #54 sagehen

They want to hold the treaty hostage for more tax cuts.

They're just that crass.

they are running out of time to say so, if that's the point...

Gus Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:44:42pm

~~Major Kong~~ Senator Jon Kyl Rides the Bomb

Youtube Video

Fitting.

jordash1212 Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:45:52pm

The best argument (although not entirely convincing) I've heard against START is that you wouldn't keep employees around 2 or 3 months after they were fired to keep writing checks. Similarly, someone in the GOP might say it's best to wait until the newly elected officials take their seats. If it's that important of a treaty, then it can wait 2 months.

I fear that the GOP is doing everything to reject Obama's policy. This kind of categorical rejection is so transparent and will only shoot the GOP in the foot come the 2012 elections (so should we tell them?). As to whether or not we should actually ratify START, I've yet to hear a convincing strategic argument against it.

Kragar Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:53:26pm

re: #57 jordash1212

The best argument (although not entirely convincing) I've heard against START is that you wouldn't keep employees around 2 or 3 months after they were fired to keep writing checks. Similarly, someone in the GOP might say it's best to wait until the newly elected officials take their seats. If it's that important of a treaty, then it can wait 2 months.

I fear that the GOP is doing everything to reject Obama's policy. This kind of categorical rejection is so transparent and will only shoot the GOP in the foot come the 2012 elections (so should we tell them?). As to whether or not we should actually ratify START, I've yet to hear a convincing strategic argument against it.

Except the treaty could have been ready months ago, but the GOP stalled and been tossing up roadblocks the whole time.

jordash1212 Mon, Nov 22, 2010 3:12:04pm

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Then why the sudden outcry?

engineer cat Mon, Nov 22, 2010 3:17:36pm

they want to wait until the new congress is in session so they can delay and obstuct it properly

Kragar Mon, Nov 22, 2010 3:22:22pm

re: #59 jordash1212

Then why the sudden outcry?

Just because someone notices a problem for the first time, doesn't mean the problem hadn't been there for a long time.

SpaceJesus Mon, Nov 22, 2010 4:24:41pm

enemies of civilization

blueraven Mon, Nov 22, 2010 4:24:47pm

re: #59 jordash1212

Then why the sudden outcry?

Just a guess...per the recent election, now they think they have more power and are trying to make a statement. Something like: We can, and will block anything this President does whether it is good for the country or not.

SteelGHAZI Mon, Nov 22, 2010 4:26:52pm

And yet, they will likely still hold firm, blocking it simply because the President is for it.

blueraven Mon, Nov 22, 2010 4:29:42pm

re: #48 albusteve

nobody is going to attack anybody with nukes, regardless of this treaty

Maybe not, but it sends a powerful message to the likes of Putin, who would probably be just as happy if we didn't seal the deal.

Varek Raith Mon, Nov 22, 2010 4:31:34pm

re: #65 blueraven

Maybe not, but it sends a powerful message to the likes of Putin, who would probably be just as happy if we didn't seal the deal.

The GOP is in favor of letting Putin have more nukes.
Awesome.

celticdragon Mon, Nov 22, 2010 4:49:10pm

Making their appeal on behalf of the U.S.-Russian nuclear arms control treaty, the foreign ministers of Denmark, Norway, Latvia, Bulgaria, Hungary and Lithuania crashed a Saturday press conference by a senior U.S. administration official about talks with Afghan President Hamid Karzai

Fucking wonderful. That practically guaranteed the GOP will block START to the death now. No way in hell are they going to risk looking like they caved to those "effete soshulist Europeans".

I need a drink.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 22, 2010 11:59:28pm

re: #66 Varek Raith

The GOP is in favor of letting Putin have more nukes.
Awesome.

Two more years of these dumbasses! Oh man, I can't wait to see what crazy thing they'll say next

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Nov 23, 2010 12:47:42am

re: #69 Harpofitz

So you showed up at the end of a dead thread to ask this, at 3:30 AM EST, without bothering to look at the site, in order to ask that? Really? There is nothing odd abut that.

Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 23, 2010 7:25:25am

re: #66 Varek Raith

The GOP is in favor of letting Putin have more nukes.
Awesome.

i read that as "Palin".

Just sayin'.

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