A 19-year old naturalized US citizen born in Somalia has been arrested in Oregon, in a plot to blow up a car bomb at a Christmas tree lighting ceremony.
But he was never even close to actually carrying out the plot; the FBI has been on to him for more than a year, and the “car bomb” was stocked with mock explosives. I wonder how the right wing blogs will turn this into a defeat for the Obama administration?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 27, 2010 9:49:59am |
Notice how they became aware of his activities….
According to an arrest warrant affidavit written by an FBI special agent, Mohamud was in e-mail communication in August 2009 with a person believed to be involved in terrorist activities. In December, that person was “located in the northwest frontier province of Pakistan,” the affidavit states.The two communicated regularly, the affidavit states, and “using coded language, they discussed the possibility of Mohamud traveling to Pakistan to prepare for violent jihad.”
They were almost certainly using the Patriot act provision that allows wiretapping of US citizens when the other end of the conversation is overseas. OMG! Wireetapping citizens!
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insanity police Sat, Nov 27, 2010 9:50:03am |
Good thing so many of these terrorists are stupid and unsuccessful. Still scary that this guy was trying to kill innocent people.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Nov 27, 2010 9:52:23am |
They won’t go after Obama immediately. They’ll say “KILLER BLACK MUSLIMS ARE OUT TO IMPOSE SHARIA!!1” And when Obama refuses to overreact to their “ELEVENTY!!1” rhetoric, they’ll say he will not do so because “HE’S A SEKRIT MOOSLIM!!!11”. That way they can give Pam the Shrieking Harpy and the Nirthers their fodder at the same time.
Putting myself in those people’s shoes makes my feet feel so dirty. /
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Nov 27, 2010 9:52:27am |
I am only guessing but some of those members of the “right” wing will say that this person should have never been naturalized. I personally do not see how America can prevent that. America has welcomed people from all over; if we were to stop that this country will be a much poorer place. I for one do not want that to happen.
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jaunte Sat, Nov 27, 2010 9:52:31am |
the FBI has been on to him for more than a year, and the “car bomb” was stocked with mock explosives. I wonder how the right wing blogs will turn this into a defeat for the Obama administration?
“Obama administration drags heels on arresting Oregon bomber!”
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Nov 27, 2010 9:53:44am |
re: #2 insanity police
Hello. Haven’t seen you in a while. Glad to have you here.
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Nov 27, 2010 9:54:20am |
Clearly since Obama’s FBi has known about this for more than a year and they waited till a Christmas tree lighting ceremony to thwart this terrorist, this is further evidence of the Liberal Attack on Christmas (LAC™).
Happy Holidays!
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BishopX Sat, Nov 27, 2010 9:54:23am |
I’m betting on claims that this was going to be a false flag operation exposed by some brave oath keeper type.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 27, 2010 9:57:59am |
Meanwhile, Pamela Geller is sticking up for the rights of genocidal Serbian war criminals again today.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:02:25am |
re: #9 Charles
Meanwhile, Pamela Geller is sticking up for the rights of genocidal Serbian war criminals again today.
The Stalkers do that too. I wonder how long it’ll be today before they post about how grateful they are for her support. Scum of a feather flock together.
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BishopX Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:05:22am |
re: #1 Killgore Trout
Turns out a local tipped the FBI off about him. From the NYTimes:
The official said agents began investigating Mohamud after receiving a tip from someone who was concerned about the teenager. The official declined to provide any more detail about the relationship between Mohamud and that source.
The FBI monitored Mohamud’s e-mail. They found that he was in e-mail contact with people overseas and was asking how he could travel to Pakistan and join the fight for jihad, according to an FBI affidavit.
Mohamud, a student at Oregon State University, e-mailed a friend living in Pakistan who had been a student in Oregon in 2007-2008, according to the official. The FBI’s affidavit says the friend in Pakistan referred him to another associate, but gave him an invalid e-mail address that Mohamud tried repeatedly to use unsuccessfully. The official said FBI agents saw that as an opportunity and e-mailed Mohamud in response, claiming to be associates of his friend, the former student.
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rwmofo Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:05:43am |
re: #1 Killgore Trout
Notice how they became aware of his activities…
They were almost certainly using the Patriot act provision that allows wiretapping of US citizens when the other end of the conversation is overseas. OMG! Wireetapping citizens!
It will be interesting to see who will rush to defend this guy for having his privacy violated - or something.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:06:49am |
re: #8 BishopX
I’m betting on claims that this was going to be a false flag operation exposed by some brave oath keeper type.
Glenn Beck might have an Alex Jones-like conspiracy for this but one thing missing from right wing reaction to the story is praise for the DHS. They now see the DHS as an evil entity.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:07:16am |
re: #3 Dark_Falcon
They won’t go after Obama immediately. They’ll say “KILLER BLACK MUSLIMS ARE OUT TO IMPOSE SHARIA!!1” And when Obama refuses to overreact to their “ELEVENTY!!1” rhetoric, they’ll say he will not do so because “HE’S A SEKRIT MOOSLIM!!!11”. That way they can give Pam the Shrieking Harpy and the Nirthers their fodder at the same time.
Putting myself in those people’s shoes makes my feet feel so dirty. /
This Somali guy got started young, so maybe she can tie it in with yesterday’s screed* warning about Muslim schoolchildren attending Christian schools in Europe. Apparently they’re dangerous agents of Islamic supremacism.
The wingnuts don’t seem to have any compunctions about going after children these days (Obama’s daughters & TSA, WBC protesting children’s funerals, etc.), so I wouldn’t put it past them to go after Muslim kids as well.
*Google cache link
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:07:41am |
re: #12 rwmofo
It will be interesting to see who will rush to defend this guy for having his privacy violated - or something.
Try reading the comment here…
[Link: www.oregonlive.com…]
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:07:43am |
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Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:08:46am |
Hot Air is fear-mongering like crazy over this incident, of course. Mocking the FBI for calling it an isolated incident (even though they’ve been tracking the guy since August 2009 and would certainly know if it wasn’t), and telling their already crazed readers that terrorists are out to get them and might strike anywhere at any time.
Not even a hint of appreciation that law enforcement stopped this guy before he even got started.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:09:11am |
re: #13 Killgore Trout
Glenn Beck might have an Alex Jones-like conspiracy for this but one thing missing from right wing reaction to the story is praise for the DHS. They now see the DHS as an evil entity.
And that’s why they’ll use conspiracy theories. The mainstream GOP will briefly praise the FBI and move on, but the wingnuts will try to find some anti-Obama angle, and they’ll try to draw the rest of the party their way with the anti-immigrant hook.
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:09:58am |
re: #1 Killgore Trout
Notice how they became aware of his activities…
They were almost certainly using the Patriot act provision that allows wiretapping of US citizens when the other end of the conversation is overseas. OMG! Wireetapping citizens!
Don’t any of these guys know anything about PGP or encryption in general?
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jaunte Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:10:42am |
re: #9 Charles
Geller has remarkably bad taste in friends.
Mr. Seselj, who in the past would sometimes brandish a pistol at fellow politicians, also sent a verbal message from the courtroom. “Destiny, history, did not allow me to come to power on time,” he said. “If I had, everything would have been different.”
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
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wrenchwench Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:12:11am |
re: #17 Charles
Not even a hint of appreciation that law enforcement stopped this guy before he even got started.
No appreciation for law enforcement from “the other side” either.
…Wow, what kind of complex network would it take for a Somalia-born US citizen to envision, develop, and then carry out such a huge and complex attack in a large public place with so many innocents gathered? Why, of course, one enabled by the FBI….
I don’t read FDL, so I don’t know whether there’s any sarcasm or satire here, or whether it’s just outrageous outrage.
…How long are we going to let the cowboys shoot up our country with their false terror plots and operations that would go nowhere without their instigation, planning, and coercion? How long will we allow our own federal constabulary to justify its own recklessly inflated budget by permitting actions like this to develop, fester, and grow operational in our midst?This is terror, pure and simple. State-sponsored terror. Big-splash terror designed to make people compliant and fearful, and grateful to their federal government — in a city which has not yet installed the Rapiscan porno-scanners at our airport.
Someone needs to put an end to it.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:14:54am |
re: #14 CuriousLurker
This Somali guy got started young, so maybe she can tie it in with yesterday’s screed* warning about Muslim schoolchildren attending Christian schools in Europe. Apparently they’re dangerous agents of Islamic supremacism.
The wingnuts don’t seem to have any compunctions about going after children these days (Obama’s daughters & TSA, WBC protesting children’s funerals, etc.), so I wouldn’t put it past them to go after Muslim kids as well.
*Google cache link
Good find. The only thing I would need to ask is not to lump the WBC Phelps Klan in with the wingnuts. Phelps and co are despised pretty much universally, and have no significant support within the Tea Party crowd.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:15:36am |
re: #19 Conservative Moonbat
Don’t any of these guys know anything about PGP or encryption in general?
Probably not, thankfully. Or by the time someone did tell him about it, the FBI was already onto him.
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rwmofo Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:16:09am |
re: #15 Walter L. Newton
Try reading the comment here…
[Link: www.oregonlive.com…]
OK, I had a look. The commentors are comparing this guy to Tim McVeigh and the Crusades. Heh. Thanks for reminding me that I don’t have the spare time to scroll through the comments sections of multiple news sources. “Teh Crazy” is way too easy to find.
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BishopX Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:17:18am |
Has anyone found anyhting out about how tis kid got his citizenshipre: #21 wrenchwench
This is just a recycled talking point. Several of the previous terror plots in the US had major governmental logistics support as part of the sting operation. In this case it seems like the only things the feds did was to take his bomb components and return a “bomb”, unlike several previous cases where the feds have apparently supplied everything from the target to the the weapon.
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Kronocide Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:17:28am |
re: #17 Charles
Hot Air is fear-mongering like crazy over this incident, of course. Mocking the FBI for calling it an isolated incident (even though they’ve been tracking the guy since August 2009 and would certainly know if it wasn’t), and telling their already crazed readers that terrorists are out to get them and might strike anywhere at any time.
Not even a hint of appreciation that law enforcement stopped this guy before he even got started.
I suspect a correlation between people who see it as you describe and those who are most likely to spin disdain at the TSA, mocking security measures as ‘security theater.’
They’re not happy unless they’re unhappy.
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:18:18am |
re: #21 wrenchwench
No appreciation for law enforcement from “the other side” either.
I don’t read FDL, so I don’t know whether there’s any sarcasm or satire here, or whether it’s just outrageous outrage.
There are a few people at FDL worth reading. The majority are off the wall bonkers. I know Marxists who have saner worldviews.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:19:22am |
re: #19 Conservative Moonbat
Don’t any of these guys know anything about PGP or encryption in general?
Probably not. These guys are amateur wannabes who are looking to the pros in Al Qaeda to tell them how it’s done. The guys in Pakistan are more concerned with their own safety and avoiding drone strikes and they really don’t give a shit is some schmuck in the West gets arrested.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:19:44am |
re: #21 wrenchwench
No appreciation for law enforcement from “the other side” either.
I don’t read FDL, so I don’t know whether there’s any sarcasm or satire here, or whether it’s just outrageous outrage.
Stories like this cause the crazies to come out and spew. They meet and breed, and from those matings come unholy hybrid theories so crazy they rarely live long.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:20:27am |
re: #21 wrenchwench
That’s probably not sarcasm on FDL. Alex Jones is making the same points today on Infowars.
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mr.fusion Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:23:18am |
re: #17 Charles
Not even a hint of appreciation that law enforcement stopped this guy before he even got started.
Same as when they nailed that guy in Houston who was literally trying to pull the trigger to blow up a mock explosive…..
Of course they’ll still bring up the debunked story that torturing KSM prevented the mythical attack on the Liberty Tower…..
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palomino Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:24:00am |
re: #12 rwmofo
It will be interesting to see who will rush to defend this guy for having his privacy violated - or something.
Actually that won’t be particularly interesting because it’s not going to happen. At least not from anyone remotely near the mainstream. Sometimes the equivalency you seek simply doesn’t exist.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:25:26am |
re: #30 Killgore Trout
That’s probably not sarcasm on FDL. Alex Jones is making the same points today on Infowars.
Someone such make those two sites carry a warning banner: “Warning: Moronic Convergance In Progress”.
/Kidding, mostly
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rwmofo Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:29:37am |
re: #32 palomino
Actually that won’t be particularly interesting because it’s not going to happen. At least not from anyone remotely near the mainstream. Sometimes the equivalency you seek simply doesn’t exist.
Why do I get the feeling that your view of “mainstream” is about 100 miles left of Joe Lieberman?
…and I don’t recall seeking any equivalency. I’ll let you run with that one.
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gamark Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:30:02am |
re: #19 Conservative Moonbat
Don’t any of these guys know anything about PGP or encryption in general?
My knowledge of such things is fairly shallow. How do you envision PGP being helpful in this case? With any public/private key encryption, the weak point is the key exchange. How would someone seeking to communicate with a stranger authenticate that stranger? Seems to me that if the kid wanted to use PGP, the FBI would have happily supplied him with their pubilc key.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:30:52am |
re: #22 Dark_Falcon
Good find. The only thing I would need to ask is not to lump the WBC Phelps Klan in with the wingnuts. Phelps and co are despised pretty much universally, and have no significant support within the Tea Party crowd.
I didn’t mention the TP, nor did I say that WBC has any support within it. A wingnut is a wingnut as far as I’m concerned.
1. wingnut
n. An outspoken, irrational person with deeply-held, nominally conservative, political views. A person who chooses on principle to be flagrantly ignorant. A “right-wing nut”.
Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Fred Phelps are examples of the wingnut element in modern America.
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palomino Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:33:05am |
re: #18 Dark_Falcon
And that’s why they’ll use conspiracy theories. The mainstream GOP will briefly praise the FBI and move on, but the wingnuts will try to find some anti-Obama angle, and they’ll try to draw the rest of the party their way with the anti-immigrant hook.
Is there really such a clear delineation in your party between the establishment and the wing nuts? And is the establishment really the dominant force?
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JeffFX Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:41:21am |
re: #36 CuriousLurker
I didn’t mention the TP, nor did I say that WBC has any support within it. A wingnut is a wingnut as far as I’m concerned.
1. wingnut
n. An outspoken, irrational person with deeply-held, nominally conservative, political views. A person who chooses on principle to be flagrantly ignorant. A “right-wing nut”.
Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Fred Phelps are examples of the wingnut element in modern America.
It would be tough to categorize Phelps as right-wing. He has the all too common right-wing hatred of gay people, or anyone different from them, but would a right-winger protest soldier’s funerals? I see him as just nuts.
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Randall Gross Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:45:50am |
re: #17 Charles
Hot Air is fear-mongering like crazy over this incident, of course. Mocking the FBI for calling it an isolated incident (even though they’ve been tracking the guy since August 2009 and would certainly know if it wasn’t), and telling their already crazed readers that terrorists are out to get them and might strike anywhere at any time.
Not even a hint of appreciation that law enforcement stopped this guy before he even got started.
Here’s the straight up just the facts PR from the FBI:
[Link: portland.fbi.gov…]
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:50:06am |
re: #17 Charles
Hot Air is fear-mongering like crazy over this incident, of course. Mocking the FBI for calling it an isolated incident (even though they’ve been tracking the guy since August 2009 and would certainly know if it wasn’t), and telling their already crazed readers that terrorists are out to get them and might strike anywhere at any time.
Not even a hint of appreciation that law enforcement stopped this guy before he even got started.
For a mess of the wingnuts “law enforcement” has NO place in fighting terrorism. A “law enforcement approach” reveals a “pre 9/11 mindset”, or some such.
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AlexRogan Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:50:43am |
re: #17 Charles
Hot Air is fear-mongering like crazy over this incident, of course. Mocking the FBI for calling it an isolated incident (even though they’ve been tracking the guy since August 2009 and would certainly know if it wasn’t), and telling their already crazed readers that terrorists are out to get them and might strike anywhere at any time.
Not even a hint of appreciation that law enforcement stopped this guy before he even got started.
To the most extreme wingnuts, LEOs and the military seem to be convenient political pawns, useful only until they interfere with their quest for political power. They say they support LEOs/the miltary, until they fall for the black helicopter crap…then, LEOs/the military become the enemy.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:52:27am |
re: #37 palomino
Is there really such a clear delineation in your party between the establishment and the wing nuts? And is the establishment really the dominant force?
Is there a clear delineation between the establishment ACLU and the anti-security loons at Fire Dog Lake? Both parties have their nuts, and the internet has made them more powerful.
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AlexRogan Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:53:10am |
re: #40 wozzablog
For a mess of the wingnuts “law enforcement” has NO place in fighting terrorism. A “law enforcement approach” reveals a “pre 9/11 mindset”, or some such.
That’s something the Rush hammered the Clinton administration for a lot in regards to the first WTC bombers, the USS Cole, etc. IIRC.
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Taqyia2Me Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:56:43am |
The Patriot Act appears to have worked exactly as planned in this case.
I am glad for this.
No matter who is president or whoever tries to make political hay from it.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:57:56am |
re: #38 JeffFX
It would be tough to categorize Phelps as right-wing. He has the all too common right-wing hatred of gay people, or anyone different from them, but would a right-winger protest soldier’s funerals? I see him as just nuts.
To me wingnut ≠ right-wing; wingnut = bat guano crazy far-right fringe consumed by hatred. Like Geller, Phelps, etc. Maybe I need to revise my definition. Or maybe those people need their own special category. I dunno, somehow just plain old “crazy” doesn’t seem sufficient.
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JeffFX Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:59:30am |
re: #40 wozzablog
For a mess of the wingnuts “law enforcement” has NO place in fighting terrorism. A “law enforcement approach” reveals a “pre 9/11 mindset”, or some such.
I realized that mainstream Republicans were totally out of control when Cheney mocked Democrats for preparing indictments against terrorists while Republicans prepared for war. Some people prefer violence over a civilized approach, and I’ll have no part of that.
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palomino Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:02:56am |
re: #34 rwmofo
Why do I get the feeling that your view of “mainstream” is about 100 miles left of Joe Lieberman?
…and I don’t recall seeking any equivalency. I’ll let you run with that one.
You probably get that feeling because you’re a right wing mofo 10,000 miles to the right of Jim Demint.
As for no equivalency, I call total bullshit. Your #12 is nothing more than a reverse iteration of the last sentence of Charles’s original post.
Your response to “Tom Delay convicted” was “Charlie Rangel!! Charlie Rangel!!”. I guess that’s not equivalency seeking either, huh?
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:04:45am |
re: #46 JeffFX
I realized that mainstream Republicans were totally out of control when Cheney mocked Democrats for preparing indictments against terrorists while Republicans prepared for war. Some people prefer violence over a civilized approach, and I’ll have no part of that.
Whenever i debated them i just asked them about whether they wanted cruise missile attacks on US homes or homes in allied countries when all the FBI had to do was ask for local cops to go in. The answers got progressively weirder.
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wrenchwench Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:06:10am |
re: #45 CuriousLurker
To me wingnut ≠ right-wing; wingnut = bat guano crazy far-right fringe consumed by hatred. Like Geller, Phelps, etc. Maybe I need to revise my definition. Or maybe those people need their own special category. I dunno, somehow just plain old “crazy” doesn’t seem sufficient.
That speaks to the reaction one sometimes sees to the term here. Some posters who I don’t think are wingnuts take the word personally.
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JeffFX Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:06:18am |
re: #45 CuriousLurker
To me wingnut ≠ right-wing; wingnut = bat guano crazy far-right fringe consumed by hatred. Like Geller, Phelps, etc. Maybe I need to revise my definition. Or maybe those people need their own special category. I dunno, somehow just plain old “crazy” doesn’t seem sufficient.
Phelps is consumed by hatred alright, and ruined his children and their children with his irrational beliefs, but I don’t think there’s any political alignment there. He’s just about his own little wackjob cult. Geller may be the same, but at least pretends to be aligned with far-right monsters, so wingnut would seem to fit perfectly there.
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researchok Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:07:17am |
OT, I’m fascinated by the goings on in South Korea.
I suspect a lot of these very visible protests are orchestrated for maximum PR value. Nevertheless, these protests do represent an escalation.
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tradewind Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:10:19am |
Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving.
Portland: home of the world’s lamest terrorist.
Thank heavens.
The reason he was never ’ close to carrying it out ’ had nothing to do with lack of zeal for jihad: he was really, really excited about blowing up tons of families with children. That the plot was suggested and set up by a sting doesn’t negate the intent.
Hope the feds continue to root out these whack jobs, one by one.
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palomino Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:11:07am |
re: #42 Dark_Falcon
Is there a clear delineation between the establishment ACLU and the anti-security loons at Fire Dog Lake? Both parties have their nuts, and the internet has made them more powerful.
Oh please. The Dems are in no danger of being taken over by fire dog lake, or any other obscure lefty group that has 50 members. Your party meanwhile is in the process of mainstreaming the John Birch Society, along with the anti-AGW, anti-evolution crowd and other assorted flat earthers.
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JeffFX Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:12:41am |
re: #48 wozzablog
Whenever i debated them i just asked them about whether they wanted cruise missile attacks on US homes or homes in allied countries when all the FBI had to do was ask for local cops to go in. The answers got progressively weirder.
That’s what happens when someone supports a team rather than understanding the issues. When confronted by anything contradicting what their team-leaders said, they think they’re being persecuted and respond irrationally.
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tradewind Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:13:38am |
re: #54 palomino
It appears the latest ’ shellacking ’ (POTUS’ description, not mine ) included a really serious attempt at purging the Democrats of any moderates within sight.
Keep up the good work.
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Gus Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:13:45am |
re: #17 Charles
Hot Air is fear-mongering like crazy over this incident, of course. Mocking the FBI for calling it an isolated incident (even though they’ve been tracking the guy since August 2009 and would certainly know if it wasn’t), and telling their already crazed readers that terrorists are out to get them and might strike anywhere at any time.
Not even a hint of appreciation that law enforcement stopped this guy before he even got started.
Don’t look now but the Hot Air minions are now complaining about the DOJ domain seizures of piracy websites. It was posted by Allahpundit Allahdunce and of course they took the lead from lead truther site, Drudge Report. AP ups the paranoia by including this little conspiracy:
The potential problem with COICA, then, is that by codifying a “too much piracy” test, it might encourage the feds to expand the hazy standard they’re already basically using.
Won’t be long before Hot Air starts quoting Alex Jones directly.
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tradewind Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:15:09am |
re: #57 Gus 802
The problem is that the description ’ isolated incident ’ implies that there aren’t any more out there like this one.
Anyone want that bet?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:15:58am |
re: #58 tradewind
The problem is that the description ’ isolated incident ’ implies that there aren’t any more out there like this one.
Anyone want that bet?
Not really. What they are saying is that it’s not part of a larger plot.
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JeffFX Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:16:38am |
re: #56 tradewind
It appears the latest ’ shellacking ’ (POTUS’ description, not mine ) included a really serious attempt at purging the Democrats of any moderates within sight.
Keep up the good work.
Except the Democrats are mostly moderates, and are only seen as leftist by people who are so far right they fell off the political landscape.
A lot of conservative democrats lost to teabagger nitwits, so the party has moved a little to the left, but that’s not the Democrat’s doing.
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:17:08am |
re: #56 tradewind
It appears the latest ’ shellacking ’ (POTUS’ description, not mine ) included a really serious attempt at purging the Democrats of any moderates within sight.
Keep up the good work.
huh?
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elizajane Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:17:16am |
re: #17 Charles
Hot Air is fear-mongering like crazy over this incident, of course. Mocking the FBI for calling it an isolated incident (even though they’ve been tracking the guy since August 2009 and would certainly know if it wasn’t), and telling their already crazed readers that terrorists are out to get them and might strike anywhere at any time.
Not even a hint of appreciation that law enforcement stopped this guy before he even got started.
HotAir? Try the acrid, open racism spewing forth on Michelle Malkin’s blog, and even on Ann Althouse, who I thought of as having some sense of decency.
Or maybe, don’t try it.
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tradewind Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:17:35am |
re: #59 Killgore Trout
Oh well then…. as long as they’re sure.//
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:17:46am |
re: #60 JeffFX
Except the Democrats are mostly moderates, and are only seen as leftist by people who are so far right they fell off the political landscape.
A lot of conservative democrats lost to teabagger nitwits, so the party has moved a little to the left, but that’s not the Democrat’s doing.
The left-left-left-left-left wing of the Democratic party is the Green Party. Its a whole other party.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:18:24am |
There was another EDL riot in the UK today.
Jewish man complains about EDL using Israel flag
I found myself standing next to a Jewish man when I was filming this. He said he found it disgusting that the EDL was using the Israel flag.
The audio is lousy but it’s easy to understand why Jews don’t like violent mobs running around waving Israeli flags.
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tradewind Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:18:30am |
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JeffFX Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:19:16am |
re: #66 tradewind
Yeah, that’s what the booted moderate Dems said, too.
As they lost general elections to wingnuts.
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Gus Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:19:33am |
re: #59 Killgore Trout
Not really. What they are saying is that it’s not part of a larger plot.
AP is trying to fabricate another plot!
The deeper issue here is why Torrent-Finder gets nuked while a site like YouTube, which hosts plenty of infringing content on its own servers, only has to deal with takedown notices for individual files under the DMCA.
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:21:06am |
re: #66 tradewind
Yeah, that’s what the booted moderate Dems said, too.
Booted by independents and an increased republican vote.
Left wing democrats didn’t - except in the case of Blanche Lincoln - kill off the blue dogs.
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tradewind Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:23:33am |
re: #67 JeffFX
You may be right. Now that Pelosi is minority leader, she may pay just as careful attention to the moderate remnant of her party as she has to her base.
Then again, probably not.
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Lidane Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:24:56am |
re: #66 tradewind
Yeah, that’s what the booted moderate Dems said, too.
Moderate Dems that were kicked out in GENERAL ELECTIONS by independents, Republicans, and other moderates. Unlike moderate Republicans, who were kicked out in primaries by the wingnuts.
Try again.
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rwmofo Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:26:20am |
re: #47 palomino
You probably get that feeling because you’re a right wing mofo 10,000 miles to the right of Jim Demint.
As for no equivalency, I call total bullshit. Your #12 is nothing more than a reverse iteration of the last sentence of Charles’s original post.
Your response to “Tom Delay convicted” was “Charlie Rangel!! Charlie Rangel!!”. I guess that’s not equivalency seeking either, huh?
Heh. People like you really cheer me up. Thanks.
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:26:45am |
re: #70 tradewind
You may be right. Now that Pelosi is minority leader, she may pay just as careful attention to the moderate remnant of her party as she has to her base.
Then again, probably not.
Pelosi’s won 150-43. Three quarters of the caucus who voted voted for her.
Yup - she is out of touch.
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tradewind Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:28:04am |
re: #71 Lidane
Unlike moderate Republicans, who were kicked out in primaries by the wingnuts.
…..You mean like Whitman and Fiorina?
Nah, they were rejected in the General by people intent on repeating the same experiment expecting different results, and you know how that ends.
Speaking of experiments, cauldron on the stove says ’ It’s Soup ‘.
Have a nice weekend.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:28:39am |
re: #50 JeffFX
Phelps is consumed by hatred alright, and ruined his children and their children with his irrational beliefs, but I don’t think there’s any political alignment there. He’s just about his own little wackjob cult. Geller may be the same, but at least pretends to be aligned with far-right monsters, so wingnut would seem to fit perfectly there.
Ah, I see where we’re differing. I guess I need to clarify: I don’t necessarily view the term wingnut as connoting a far-right political alignment (though I suspect most would lean that way). I guess my definition is more about the mindset & aggressive behavior, like this.
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Lidane Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:28:43am |
re: #73 wozzablog
You’re trying to bring facts into a rant about Pelosi and about how the Dems are so far out of touch that they need a map back to DC? Good luck with that. :)
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Gus Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:29:02am |
re: #73 wozzablog
Pelosi’s won 150-43. Three quarters of the caucus who voted voted for her.
Yup - she is out of touch.
Meh. I would have voted with the 43.
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tradewind Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:29:29am |
re: #73 wozzablog
No, she’s totally in touch with her sheeple.
It’s the rest of the country she has a hard time understanding.
Maybe next time.
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palomino Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:29:58am |
re: #56 tradewind
It appears the latest ’ shellacking ’ (POTUS’ description, not mine ) included a really serious attempt at purging the Democrats of any moderates within sight.
Keep up the good work.
Wow, it’s as if you’ve already forgotten that your party just nominated certifiable lunatics like Angle and O’Donnell. Or that Palin is a frontrunner for the GOP nod. Or that your party’s far right is being drowned out by the far far right.
there was no purge in the Dem party. Moderates in moderate to conservative districts just lost in a GOP year. It’s what happens whenever the pendulum swings back. But your suggestion that there is equivalent insanity in the current mainstream of the Dem party is just a right wing fantasy.
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Lidane Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:30:22am |
re: #78 tradewind
And I’m sure the Republicans understand “the rest of the country”, right?
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rwmofo Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:31:16am |
re: #59 Killgore Trout
Not really. What they are saying is that it’s not part of a larger plot.
Yeah. It appears that they knew this kid wasn’t ready to strike, so they “worked with him” for a while in order to determine the size of his network. When they figured out he was essentially a lone ranger, they wrapped it up.
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Lidane Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:31:20am |
re: #79 palomino
But your suggestion that there is equivalent insanity in the current mainstream of the Dem party is just a right wing fantasy.
It’s a desperate attempt at summoning the Magical Balance Fairy. Too bad reality doesn’t support it.
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:31:46am |
re: #78 tradewind
No, she’s totally in touch with her sheeple.
It’s the rest of the country she has a hard time understanding.
Maybe next time.
150 Dems in the house are sheeple - disciples of a speaker who past a raft legislation that advanced the presidents agenda/
And Jon Boenhers toadies and sycophants are lions?……….
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palomino Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:33:54am |
re: #66 tradewind
Yeah, that’s what the booted moderate Dems said, too.
The Dems still have a moderate wing. The entirety of the current GOP moderate wing appears to be Chris Christie and the ghost of Mitt Romney circa 1998.
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palomino Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:34:35am |
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Gus Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:34:54am |
re: #83 wozzablog
150 Dems in the house are sheeple - disciples of a speaker who past a raft legislation that advanced the presidents agenda/
And Jon Boenhers toadies and sycophants are lions?…
Wingnuts and Republicans aside here’s the problem:
PRINCETON, NJ — Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s favorable rating is down seven percentage points since May to 29%, a new low for her since assuming the top congressional post.
Image: sp84bfu500qzhsxsefslsa.gif
Now I’m not endorsing what TW is saying but the poll numbers don’t lie. Putting Pelosi back in as minority leader is a liability.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:38:10am |
Some pics from the EDL riot today…
Postcard from Preston
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:38:31am |
re: #86 Gus 802
The minorty leader isn’t really all that much of a factor when the President is of the same party.
Pelosi got through a tonne of legislation in favor of the Presidents agenda. She was very effective. A lot of democrats didn’t like her for the hodgepodge that was the healthcare bill - but it didn’t mean they wanted Heath Schuler.
She was a succesful speaker in terms of bills passed but rubbed people the wrong way.
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palomino Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:40:10am |
re: #74 tradewind
…You mean like Whitman and Fiorina?
Nah, they were rejected in the General by people intent on repeating the same experiment expecting different results, and you know how that ends.
Speaking of experiments, cauldron on the stove says ’ It’s Soup ‘.
Have a nice weekend.
You don’t know Cali. Moderate Republicans can win here—see Ahhnold.
But both Meg and Carly were weak candidates who did a poor job of moving back to the center. Hence their crappy showings on election day.
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Gus Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:41:51am |
re: #88 wozzablog
The minorty leader isn’t really all that much of a factor when the President is of the same party.
Pelosi got through a tonne of legislation in favor of the Presidents agenda. She was very effective. A lot of democrats didn’t like her for the hodgepodge that was the healthcare bill - but it didn’t mean they wanted Heath Schuler.
She was a succesful speaker in terms of bills passed but rubbed people the wrong way.
That’s a good point regarding Schuler. Then it becomes a matter of Pelosi vs. him. I am not familiar with Schuler so in the end maybe it was the good choice.
All eyes will be on Boehner as Majority Leader so there really won’t be so much pressure on Pelosi anymore. Boehner of course has already prove to be a numbskull.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:46:07am |
I’m out too. Lunch beckons.
Later, lizards…
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palomino Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:48:29am |
re: #91 Gus 802
That’s a good point regarding Schuler. Then it becomes a matter of Pelosi vs. him. I am not familiar with Schuler so in the end maybe it was the good choice.
All eyes will be on Boehner as Majority Leader so there really won’t be so much pressure on Pelosi anymore. Boehner of course has already prove to be a numbskull.
Schuler is a good guy. But he’s a southern rural conservative and thus makes less sense in a party that’s urban and northern/coastal.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:55:52am |
re: #38 JeffFX
It would be tough to categorize Phelps as right-wing. He has the all too common right-wing hatred of gay people, or anyone different from them, but would a right-winger protest soldier’s funerals? I see him as just nuts.
Papa Phelps has run for local office as a democrat a handful of times. These assholes are so far out there, they just don’t fit into a left/right political scheme. You have to invent a whole new category for shit birds like them. Blight Wing?
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palomino Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:56:24am |
re: #88 wozzablog
The minorty leader isn’t really all that much of a factor when the President is of the same party.
Pelosi got through a tonne of legislation in favor of the Presidents agenda. She was very effective. A lot of democrats didn’t like her for the hodgepodge that was the healthcare bill - but it didn’t mean they wanted Heath Schuler.
She was a succesful speaker in terms of bills passed but rubbed people the wrong way.
Very true, and something that republicans seem to be in denial about due to election results that have made them giddy and erect.
Congressional elections happen once every two years, but legislation like what just got passed happens only once every two generations. Republicans won big in the short term but they lost long term.
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Fozzie Bear Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:58:59am |
The Bush administration fails to stop an attack, about which it was repeatedly warned, which kills thousands: hero.
The Obama administration succeeds in stopping an attack: traitor.
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JeffFX Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:09:11pm |
re: #95 palomino
Very true, and something that republicans seem to be in denial about due to election results that have made them giddy and erect.
The weird thing is they don’t seem to understand that they botched the election by letting the wingnuts take over. They should have been able to easily take the Senate, and failed utterly.
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Kronocide Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:09:47pm |
re: #96 Fozzie Bear
The Bush administration fails to stop an attack, about which it was repeatedly warned, which kills thousands: hero.
The Obama administration succeeds in stopping an attack: traitor.
House votes (any) new legislation:Obama a Muslim/Communist traitor
Dog pees on fire hydrant: Obama a Muslim/Communist traitor
Largest black hole ever found in our section of the Milky Way: Obama a Muslim/Communist traitor
I sense a pattern here…
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Kronocide Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:10:59pm |
re: #97 JeffFX
The weird thing is they don’t seem to understand that they botched the election by letting the wingnuts take over. They should have been able to easily take the Senate, and failed utterly.
Dude you’re getting a phone all from Mama Grizzly if you don’t take it back. Then she’ll scold you about ‘the people’ and Blue Bloods.
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Renaissance_Man Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:13:59pm |
re: #97 JeffFX
The weird thing is they don’t seem to understand that they botched the election by letting the wingnuts take over. They should have been able to easily take the Senate, and failed utterly.
I’ve been saying this since the elections. These results are really very poor for Republicans - it’s a tremendous failure. Given every single possible advantage, the scale of which this country has never seen, they still could not do what even the polls suggested they should have done. An enormous boondoggle.
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JeffFX Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:14:35pm |
re: #99 BigPapa
Dude you’re getting a phone all from Mama Grizzly if you don’t take it back. Then she’ll scold you about ‘the people’ and Blue Bloods.
I would love to see Google Voice try to create a transcript of a message from her.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:14:40pm |
Well, this is something you don’t see everyday…
Photographic Evidence Proves That Squid Can Fly
“From our observations it seemed like squid engaged in behaviors to prolong their flight,” she said. “One of our co-authors saw them actually flapping their fins. Some people have seen them jetting water while in flight. We felt that ‘flight’ is more appropriate because it implies something active.”
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Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:17:29pm |
re: #102 Slumbering Behemoth
Well, this is something you don’t see everyday…
Now that they can fly I bet the US Navy can recruit them, arm them with warheads, and use them to hunt Somali pirates!
:)
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BishopX Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:18:44pm |
Dolphin launched, squid guided, human approved!
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Stanley Sea Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:21:20pm |
re: #102 Slumbering Behemoth
Well, this is something you don’t see everyday…
Comment:
I for one, welcome our flappy finned tentacled overlords.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:26:11pm |
EDL chanting “Burn a Mosque” in Preston
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:32:47pm |
Another something you don’t see everyday…
The Jimi Hendrix of the ukelele?
Jump to the 0:40 mark and you’ll see what I mean.
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Radical Rafe Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:45:05pm |
I wonder how the right wing blogs will turn this into a defeat for the Obama administration?
I wonder why that would matter?
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Stanley Sea Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:45:32pm |
TheBullGator
No Native American has ever done the tomahawk chop to celebrate anything ever. Just saying.
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wrenchwench Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:46:58pm |
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lostlakehiker Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:47:55pm |
I wonder how the right wing blogs will turn this into a defeat for the Obama administration?
Forever? This is a victory for the Obama administration. Job well done. Say thanks, give credit, and be gracious. It’s the right thing to do, and it’s the right strategy even if all you care about is winning in 2012.
Those who visibly and nakedly put partisan politics ahead of country are visibly and nakedly unfit for high office or any public trust.
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lostlakehiker Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:51:48pm |
re: #103 oaktree
Now that they can fly I bet the US Navy can recruit them, arm them with warheads, and use them to hunt Somali pirates!
:)
And if you get all technical, these are rocket-propelled flying squid!
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:52:34pm |
re: #109 Stanley Sea
TheBullGator
No Native American has ever done the tomahawk chop to celebrate anything ever. Just saying.
There must be a few FSU and Atlanta Braves fans out there.
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lostlakehiker Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:53:56pm |
re: #4 PhillyPretzel
I am only guessing but some of those members of the “right” wing will say that this person should have never been naturalized. I personally do not see how America can prevent that. America has welcomed people from all over; if we were to stop that this country will be a much poorer place. I for one do not want that to happen.
There is an alternative: be selective about who immigrates. We can close our doors to people who hail from areas that are hotbeds of terrorism: Sri Lanka, Somalia, etc, while keeping out the welcome mat for those who show promise of making good citizens.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:55:30pm |
re: #114 lostlakehiker
That’s incredibly, incredibly un-American.
You know what those places are also hotbeds of? People who are terrorized, who need safe refuge. Political and religious refugees.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:57:27pm |
The foiling of this plot is a victory for everyone. Obama wins because it happened on his watch. And the fact that our law enforcement system worked as it did should make us all happy. More than anything else, the whole country wins.
But the 800 lb elephant in the room still looms large. Does anyone want to guess what that might be? And is our reluctance to discuss it frankly and honestly something we can afford to do?
It’s a tough conversation, but people of good will should be able to engage in it without being labeled as bigots. And that label is thrown around far too frequently for my taste. Sometimes it DOES apply, but not ALWAYS.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Nov 27, 2010 12:59:52pm |
re: #116 _RememberTonyC
There is no reluctance to discuss it. There is a huge threat from Islamic terrorists. Nobody had ever denied it. I do not get where the idea comes from that people pussyfoot around this issue. It’s simply untrue.
What is said, and what is true, is that Islamic terrorists are not the only threat that we face, and that if we concentrate solely on them, that will quickly come to grief.
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HoosierHoops Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:00:40pm |
re: #115 Obdicut
That’s incredibly, incredibly un-American.
You know what those places are also hotbeds of? People who are terrorized, who need safe refuge. Political and religious refugees.
It’s like saying everybody from LA is a gang banger…
I have a friend that came here from the Ivory Coast…He has a heart of gold and I find it my privilege to know him
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:03:28pm |
re: #117 Obdicut
Yep. There are plenty of Timothy McVeigh types out there. If we don’t keep vigil they will take the opportunity to strike at their ‘enemies.’
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:03:57pm |
re: #118 HoosierHoops
It’s always humbling me to talk to immigrants from Somalia, Palestine, the Ivory Coast, Serbia, and to hear their very simple, very deep love for this country; a country of peace and opportunity. A country with law, and rule of order. Whatever our blemishes, we are still a beacon of hope for the world.
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Radical Rafe Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:05:31pm |
re: #116 _RememberTonyC
Very well said Tony and I echo every word.
My wording of the 800 lb. question in the room —- how do we distinguish the Muslims/Islamists/jihadists who will attempt something like this from those who won’t? —- before they actually attempt it and ultimately succeed at it?
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Political Atheist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:06:46pm |
Pages tech note for Charles,
The slideshow in this Page somehow includes an image from this Page.
Anything I should do differently?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:07:30pm |
re: #22 Dark_Falcon
Good find. The only thing I would need to ask is not to lump the WBC Phelps Klan in with the wingnuts. Phelps and co are despised pretty much universally, and have no significant support within the Tea Party crowd.
The Phelpsers are, as far as I can tell, pretty much unique in having no support from anybody at all. Given that there are people out there who will express support for Serbian war criminals, Hitler, and Hamas, this is most impressive.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:07:32pm |
re: #117 Obdicut
There is no reluctance to discuss it. There is a huge threat from Islamic terrorists. Nobody had ever denied it. I do not get where the idea comes from that people pussyfoot around this issue. It’s simply untrue.
What is said, and what is true, is that Islamic terrorists are not the only threat that we face, and that if we concentrate solely on them, that will quickly come to grief.
No beef from me, but look at the stakes in this game. You have to play the odds and try to be fair, without being stupid. So if the numbers tell you that certain groups may be more likely to engage in bad behavior, you really need to pay close attention. I agree that threats are everywhere and not confined to any single group. But if you were betting on a football game, you’d want the best intelligence possible to help you set the betting line and where you will put your money. And sizing up our enemies involves similar research and knowledge of past trends.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:07:57pm |
re: #120 Obdicut
It’s always humbling me to talk to immigrants from Somalia, Palestine, the Ivory Coast, Serbia, and to hear their very simple, very deep love for this country; a country of peace and opportunity. A country with law, and rule of order. Whatever our blemishes, we are still a beacon of hope for the world.
I often wonder what folks like that think of the concept of “American Exceptionalism”.
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Political Atheist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:08:49pm |
re: #122 Rightwingconspirator
Darn
This one
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
and this one
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:11:01pm |
re: #40 wozzablog
For a mess of the wingnuts “law enforcement” has NO place in fighting terrorism. A “law enforcement approach” reveals a “pre 9/11 mindset”, or some such.
And yet, I suspect that if we were to set military personnel across the land to investigate and haul in terrorists…to patrol bus stations…to manage the airline security…these people would not, for some weird reason, be pleased.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:11:50pm |
re: #117 Obdicut
There is no reluctance to discuss it. There is a huge threat from Islamic terrorists. Nobody had ever denied it. I do not get where the idea comes from that people pussyfoot around this issue. It’s simply untrue.
What is said, and what is true, is that Islamic terrorists are not the only threat that we face, and that if we concentrate solely on them, that will quickly come to grief.
Good points. On that note I highly recommend Four Lions which is now out in the US. Most of the slapstick stuff is in the trailer but it’s actually a very though provoking social commentary. Like most homegrown terrorists these guys are not really observant fundamentalists. Most of them are morons who latch on to the violent aspects of Islam to empower themselves because they feel inadequate and they find the bad ass aspects of Islam empowering. It’s one of the unique features of Islam. With Judaism, Christianity Buddhism, etc there isn’t much of a macho tradition for young men to latch on to.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:12:01pm |
re: #124 _RememberTonyC
So if the numbers tell you that certain groups may be more likely to engage in bad behavior, you really need to pay close attention.
Yes. Which is why we pay close attention to extremist Muslims, extremist anti-abortion activists, radical black separatists, white supremacists, etc. Those are the ‘groups’. The ‘group’ is not Muslims in general, or pro-life people in general. It is definitely true that thanks to the radical nature of Islam in the Middle East— in large part stemming from our allies, Saudi Arabia— Islamic terrorism is the largest international threat, and bears the most watching. But it should not and cannot occupy our full attention.
But if you were betting on a football game, you’d want the best intelligence possible to help you set the betting line and where you will put your money
But we’re not. We’re dealing with people’s lives. We place no single bet. To do so is foolish.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:15:52pm |
re: #65 Killgore Trout
There was another EDL riot in the UK today.
Jewish man complains about EDL using Israel flag
[Video]
The audio is lousy but it’s easy to understand why Jews don’t like violent mobs running around waving Israeli flags.
I was waving an Israeli flag yesterday, in downtown San Francisco. We were extremely orderly and nonviolent, and were very well received by everyone. One of the anti-fur activists let us photograph him with his pet chicken in front of an Israeli flag.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:16:00pm |
re: #126 recusancy
Where are we failing at this?
I think in some respects, our foreign policy is not making this situation better. I believe that we need to be willing to fuck with some people. But I think our President can only plead for diplomacy up to a point. After that, he needs to kick somebody’s ass to show the bad guys he has the cojones to do it. After he kicks some strategically important butt, he can bargain better because the bad guys know he’s not afraid to drop the hammer. I like the drone strategy and agree it should continue, but we need to keep the heat on in other ways so we never look timid.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:16:29pm |
re: #129 Killgore Trout
With Judaism, Christianity Buddhism, etc there isn’t much of a macho tradition for young men to latch on to.
Well, I’d somewhat disagree, historically. There is an enormous historical tradition of Christians being conquerers, warriors, and violent persecutors of heretics. The secular revolution of the Enlightenment is what sapped that from Christianity. Why the Enlightenment didn’t penetrate the Middle East is a complex story, but I don’t feel it’s one that can be blamed largely on Islam’s resitance; the political power structures were what resisted.
In modern macho, It’s nice to see most ordinary Christians repelled by that asshole Fischer’s comments about the Medal of Honor. It’s disappointing to see him not more widely repudiated.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:16:49pm |
re: #132 _RememberTonyC
What has he not done that you would have him do?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:17:41pm |
re: #81 rwmofo
Yeah. It appears that they knew this kid wasn’t ready to strike, so they “worked with him” for a while in order to determine the size of his network. When they figured out he was essentially a lone ranger, they wrapped it up.
Sounds like it was nicely done, from the bit I’ve read.
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Virginia Plain Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:17:43pm |
I’ll take productive upright people from terrorist hotbeds over some American born schmucks. And if US citizens go rogue, well that’s what law enforcement is for.
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AlexRogan Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:18:56pm |
re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist
And yet, I suspect that if we were to set military personnel across the land to investigate and haul in terrorists…to patrol bus stations…to manage the airline security…these people would not, for some weird reason, be pleased.
That or harp about “jackbooted thugs” taking over…
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:19:19pm |
re: #94 Slumbering Behemoth
Papa Phelps has run for local office as a democrat a handful of times. These assholes are so far out there, they just don’t fit into a left/right political scheme. You have to invent a whole new category for shit birds like them. Blight Wing?
There’s only, like fifteen of them, so I’m not sure they have to be fit into a category—they’re just a phenomenon.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:19:34pm |
re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist
I was waving an Israeli flag yesterday, in downtown San Francisco. We were extremely orderly and nonviolent, and were very well received by everyone. One of the anti-fur activists let us photograph him with his pet chicken in front of an Israeli flag.
Of course you were … Civilized people act that way. As for the chicken … He was lucky everyone had leftover turkey on Friday.
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recusancy Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:19:46pm |
re: #132 _RememberTonyC
Take it easy on the ‘24’ fantasies. haha
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:20:04pm |
re: #97 JeffFX
The weird thing is they don’t seem to understand that they botched the election by letting the wingnuts take over. They should have been able to easily take the Senate, and failed utterly.
I’m OK with that!
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:20:31pm |
re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist
And for as contemptible and shitty as Phelps is, they’re a sideshow. I highly doubt they’ll ever become violent. They have their twisted, shitty little thing that they do. They get their jollies through screaming hate.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:21:24pm |
re: #100 Renaissance_Man
I’ve been saying this since the elections. These results are really very poor for Republicans - it’s a tremendous failure. Given every single possible advantage, the scale of which this country has never seen, they still could not do what even the polls suggested they should have done. An enormous boondoggle.
I wouldn’t say that. They did pretty well, but the enormous sweep they should have had was held back by the Tea Party situation. Something to think about for the future.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:21:58pm |
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:24:32pm |
re: #134 Obdicut
What has he not done that you would have him do?
I’d like it if he did something about Turkey slipping into a dangerous place. Turkey is in NATO and Iran should not be getting into bed with a country like that. Obama should show some toughness with them through leadership via NATO.
I’d like it if he laid off Netanyahu and put some pressure on the Pals a bit more. He coddles them and it shows timidity. By pressing Israel so much while asking little of the pals, he allows the bad guys to dig in their heels while getting nothing in return for Israel.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:24:50pm |
re: #133 Obdicut
Well, I’d somewhat disagree, historically. There is an enormous historical tradition of Christians being conquerers, warriors, and violent persecutors of heretics. The secular revolution of the Enlightenment is what sapped that from Christianity. Why the Enlightenment didn’t penetrate the Middle East is a complex story, but I don’t feel it’s one that can be blamed largely on Islam’s resitance; the political power structures were what resisted.
In modern macho, It’s nice to see most ordinary Christians repelled by that asshole Fischer’s comments about the Medal of Honor. It’s disappointing to see him not more widely repudiated.
My favorite response to Fischer on his site began with “To call you what you deserve would require the use of profanity.”
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:25:05pm |
re: #145 _RememberTonyC
I’d like it if he did something about Turkey slipping into a dangerous place.
Again: What would you have him do?
I’d like it if he laid off Netanyahu and put some pressure on the Pals a bit more.
Again: What would you have him do?
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:25:53pm |
re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist
I wouldn’t say that. They did pretty well, but the enormous sweep they should have had was held back by the Tea Party situation. Something to think about for the future.
Angle and O’Donnell should have walked the GOP into the senate majority.
I laughed long and hard.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:26:10pm |
re: #140 recusancy
Take it easy on the ‘24’ fantasies. haha
LOL … But seriously … Words have more impact when backed up by the threat of action.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:27:14pm |
re: #142 Obdicut
And for as contemptible and shitty as Phelps is, they’re a sideshow. I highly doubt they’ll ever become violent. They have their twisted, shitty little thing that they do. They get their jollies through screaming hate.
I don’t think they’ll become violent unless, and this is my only concern, Phelps has a stroke and suffers personality change, or is succeeded by a different sort of personality. Right now, they are absolutely gleeful that they can use the law to make others suffer, and will never give up that advantage for the less charged satisfaction of just blowing shit up.
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:27:21pm |
re: #149 _RememberTonyC
LOL … But seriously … Words have more impact when backed up by the threat of action.
against Turkey?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:28:00pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
That’s true. He might die and one of his equally-deranged sons or daughters might take over and lash out after all those crazy years of repression. What a fucking bunch of mad dogs.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:28:50pm |
re: #147 Obdicut
Again: What would you have him do?
Again: What would you have him do?
Obdi … Do you agree these are shortcomings in our policy? Isn’t it the govt’s job to make sure turkey doesn’t become another Iran? Don’t ask me how to fix it, ask the guys whose job it is to fix it. And they do need to do better.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:29:54pm |
re: #151 wozzablog
against Turkey?
Hopefully not against turkey. But we need to do a better job of sorting out friends from enemies and act accordingly.
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recusancy Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:31:12pm |
re: #149 _RememberTonyC
LOL … But seriously … Words have more impact when backed up by the threat of action.
I wasn’t laughing with you. Your bold keyboard brigade toughness is humorous.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:31:59pm |
re: #153 _RememberTonyC
I’m asking the guy who’s apparently saying that there’s something we should be doing, but can’t actually say what it is.
Saying “They need to do better” is not an actual criticism. Reality intrudes. It’d be great if we could ‘put pressure’ on Turkey and avert what looks like might be its slippage into a more hardline Islamic state. But how? These are not simple things, they do not have simple answers, and the threat of force is not a panacea for all.
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General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:32:05pm |
re: #134 Obdicut
President Obama is probably doing as much ass-kicking as he can without pissing off major powers/allies. The drone strikes in Pakistan are a touchy issue for many as it does involve violating Pakistan’s sovereignty, even though they don’t have any kind of real control over that region. The government there might not mind such strikes, but the people most likely do, and if such strikes were to be expanded past that area, it’s going to cause major headaches for pretty much everyone involved.
Granted, I’m not as up on the political situation in Pakistan as I probably should, but from what I can remember of the drone strikes, there have been protests by the Pakistani population at times over them (or my mind could be making that up).
For the Korean situation, diplomacy is the only route we can go with as unstable of a mindset as the entire NK regime is with access to nukes. Just got to hope SK doesn’t do anything rash and really inflame the NKs.
Diplomacy sucks, but it sure prevents a lot of massive headaches worldwide.
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:33:04pm |
re: #154 _RememberTonyC
Hopefully not against turkey. But we need to do a better job of sorting out friends from enemies and act accordingly.
It’s not a with us/against us world out there.
There are so many shades of grey that it’s untrue. Treating people who are playing both sides against the middle as “the enemy” willl only mean they stop playing our side against the middle.
And Turkey has a fierce secular tradition and an army that will hold to those values if the religious class gets too powerful.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:33:39pm |
re: #156 Obdicut
I’m asking the guy who’s apparently saying that there’s something we should be doing, but can’t actually say what it is.
Saying “They need to do better” is not an actual criticism. Reality intrudes. It’d be great if we could ‘put pressure’ on Turkey and avert what looks like might be its slippage into a more hardline Islamic state. But how? These are not simple things, they do not have simple answers, and the threat of force is not a panacea for all.
What’s going on in Turkey is probably internal, and the obvious hope is that it will be settled internally. Were I president, I would be having a lot of low-key phone conferences, and staying in touch, but doing nothing, certainly not yet, that would get the Turks’ backs up.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:33:49pm |
re: #155 recusancy
I wasn’t laughing with you. Your bold keyboard brigade toughness is humorous.
It is the simple law of the jungle. Someone who does nothing but talk eventually has to back up their talk with action. Otherwise, they are not taken seriously. Ronald Reagan did this well. Obama can learn from some of Reagan’s actions.
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:36:32pm |
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:37:03pm |
re: #156 Obdicut
I’m asking the guy who’s apparently saying that there’s something we should be doing, but can’t actually say what it is.
Saying “They need to do better” is not an actual criticism. Reality intrudes. It’d be great if we could ‘put pressure’ on Turkey and avert what looks like might be its slippage into a more hardline Islamic state. But how? These are not simple things, they do not have simple answers, and the threat of force is not a panacea for all.
How? We could start by letting them know they are risking their membership in NATO by getting too close to Iran. If they feel they have nothing to lose by playing a double game with Iran against our interests, we should get our other NATO allies together and have a little chat with turkey’s leaders. That would be a start, don’t you think?
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:37:23pm |
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:37:25pm |
re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist
My main annoyance with Fischer is that he’s the head of an organization that’s closely linked with the GOP, and that fucking sucks. I can’t believe that they’re that close with a group that is this hate-filled. I want to see the GOP completely cut off all ties with the AFA. But the dominionist wing of the GOP is completely in bed with the AFA.
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]
[Link: joemygod.blogspot.com…]
What I don’t understand is why the GOP members who aren’t aligned with that crazy side of the party don’t attack it. It’s almost completely taken over anyway. Maybe they’re just already defeated.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:37:38pm |
re: #133 Obdicut
Well, I’d somewhat disagree, historically. There is an enormous historical tradition of Christians being conquerers, warriors, and violent persecutors of heretics. The secular revolution of the Enlightenment is what sapped that from Christianity. Why the Enlightenment didn’t penetrate the Middle East is a complex story, but I don’t feel it’s one that can be blamed largely on Islam’s resitance; the political power structures were what resisted.
In modern macho, It’s nice to see most ordinary Christians repelled by that asshole Fischer’s comments about the Medal of Honor. It’s disappointing to see him not more widely repudiated.
True. The Christian warrior traditions are historical and not widely celebrated today. I think the White Nationalist “christian Identity” movement is an attempt to revive that and appeal to disaffected violent young males.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:37:51pm |
re: #160 _RememberTonyC
It is the simple law of the jungle. Someone who does nothing but talk eventually has to back up their talk with action. Otherwise, they are not taken seriously. Ronald Reagan did this well. Obama can learn from some of Reagan’s actions.
Obama is conducting wars on two front, albeit one is currently scaling down. He is conducting strikes inside Pakistan, and the USS George Washington aircraft carrier strike group is en route to the Yellow Sea to play war game in the full view of Asia. Call me crazy, but this looks like action, in the areas where action may do some good.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:38:32pm |
re: #162 _RememberTonyC
How? We could start by letting them know they are risking their membership in NATO by getting too close to Iran. If they feel they have nothing to lose by playing a double game with Iran against our interests, we should get our other NATO allies together and have a little chat with turkey’s leaders. That would be a start, don’t you think?
How sure do you feel that this conversation is not already happening?
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recusancy Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:38:35pm |
re: #163 _RememberTonyC
Defeating the USSR
So we should do nothing, talk tough and wait for financial collapse?
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wrenchwench Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:39:42pm |
re: #160 _RememberTonyC
It is the simple law of the jungle. Someone who does nothing but talk eventually has to back up their talk with action. Otherwise, they are not taken seriously. Ronald Reagan did this well. Obama can learn from some of Reagan’s actions.
I think Obama has surpassed Reagan in some areas, or maybe he just hasn’t had the opportunity to make the big errors Reagan made yet. We’ve had no Iran-Contra type scandal, no hasty departure from a country after a barracks full of Marines was blown up.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:39:51pm |
re: #162 _RememberTonyC
What makes you think Turkey hasn’t already been told that it’s risking its NATO membership?
SFZ is entirely right; this is an internecine political struggle inside Turkey, between the more secular groups and the more religious, culturalist groups. The latter don’t give a shit about NATO membership; they’d like it if Turkey had their membership revoked.
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:40:36pm |
re: #163 _RememberTonyC
Defeating the USSR
The current GOP house has a plan to do that all over again - not taking the debate on the nuke treaty, but the enemy are not presently any one entity comparable to the USSR.
And, forgive me, but which of America’s current enemies has the potential to destroy the world a thousand times over?.
And Regan defeated the Soviets by massive unfunded spending on the Military which forced the Soviets into bankruptcy.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:40:46pm |
re: #158 wozzablog
It’s not a with us/against us world out there.
There are so many shades of grey that it’s untrue. Treating people who are playing both sides against the middle as “the enemy” willl only mean they stop playing our side against the middle.
And Turkey has a fierce secular tradition and an army that will hold to those values if the religious class gets too powerful.
Erdogan is a dangerous man and I hope the military is able to dial him back, because it looks more dangerous in that country every day with him at he helm. That is why the NATO card might have to be played. The generals get it.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:40:47pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:41:12pm |
re: #169 wrenchwench
We’ve had no Iran-Contra type scandal, no hasty departure from a country after a barracks full of Marines was blown up.
An interesting thought. Things might be very different if we maintained a presence in Lebanon.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:42:02pm |
re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist
Obama is conducting wars on two front, albeit one is currently scaling down. He is conducting strikes inside Pakistan, and the USS George Washington aircraft carrier strike group is en route to the Yellow Sea to play war game in the full view of Asia. Call me crazy, but this looks like action, in the areas where action may do some good.
So you feel everything is AOK and under control?
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wrenchwench Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:43:11pm |
re: #175 _RememberTonyC
So you feel everything is AOK and under control?
Damn you set the bar high. When has it ever been?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:43:29pm |
re: #175 _RememberTonyC
So you feel everything is AOK and under control?
No, but everything never is. I don’t see evidence that we’re screwing up too badly right now, given everything that’s going on.
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Renaissance_Man Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:43:44pm |
re: #176 wrenchwench
Damn you set the bar high. When has it ever been?
When Republicans are in office, silly!
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:43:57pm |
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SteveC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:45:07pm |
re: #3 Dark_Falcon
..Pam the Shrieking Harpy and the Nirthers
Too complicated to be a band name… *thinking*
“Lord High Commander! General Rastus reports that he has met heavy opposition in the Northeast Quadrant! He says that his men are falling back and very well may be overrun!”
“Tell Rastus to rally his troops at the tree line and hold on. Tell him I’m sending the 135th Nirther Brigade into the fight. And Major, if they aren’t enough… prepare to activate the Shrieking Harpy.”
“Jumpin’ - ! As you wish, my Lord!”
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:45:31pm |
re: #171 wozzablog
The current GOP house has a plan to do that all over again - not taking the debate on the nuke treaty, but the enemy are not presently any one entity comparable to the USSR.
And, forgive me, but which of America’s current enemies has the potential to destroy the world a thousand times over?.
And Regan defeated the Soviets by massive unfunded spending on the Military which forced the Soviets into bankruptcy.
China can obliterate a good deal of the world. And while we are closely tied to them economically, they may well have more leverage over us than the USSR ever did. They are a dangerous adversary. I am not saying Obama has an easy job. Lord knows, none of us could do it. But he does have the job and he needs to rise to the occasion.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:45:47pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:45:58pm |
re: #179 b_sharp
Reagan defeated the USSR?
Hulk Hogan beat Nikolai Volkoff, isn’t that the same thing?
/:P
Peace out, folks. Hope y’all have a great weekend.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:46:30pm |
re: #183 Aceofwhat?
Hey girl. You watching this cluster[bleep]?
It’s sort of hypnotic. Also, the woman who writes for Mudflats is very funny. And I have learned many things about life in Alaska from reading her.
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recusancy Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:46:37pm |
Yellow Elephants living in a action movie fantasy who worship St. Reagan still exist. Good to know.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:47:06pm |
re: #176 wrenchwench
Damn you set the bar high. When has it ever been?
Only in the movies. But pointing out areas for “improvement” is something we all should do.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:47:37pm |
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:47:51pm |
Gonna bid you adieu for now … Have a good one.
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wrenchwench Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:48:56pm |
I’m sure we can turn this into some kind of analogy to world affairs:
I’ve been slaving for days to decorate my store windows for Christmas. They’re making a contest out of it this year, although I always do pretty nice windows. So I went for a walk on my lunch break to look for inspiration and check out the competition. THERE ISN’T ANY. Except for the vintage clothing store that always has killer windows. Now I’m uninspired.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:48:57pm |
re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist
It’s sort of hypnotic. Also, the woman who writes for Mudflats is very funny. And I have learned many things about life in Alaska from reading her.
I’m glad you are reading that, she writes very hilariously. Crap sandwich with crap bread too.
(Ace was asking about the Gator game although :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:49:49pm |
re: #191 Stanley Sea
I’m glad you are reading that, she writes very hilariously. Crap sandwich with crap bread too.
(Ace was asking about the Gator game although :)
I’m terribly sorry, I have a cold.
//
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General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:51:26pm |
Remember, there’s a lot that is probably going on behind the scenes that we may never know until (1) someone spills the beans to the media or (2) well after a result from such actions are taken place. President Obama and his team probably have had talks with Turkey, but have kept much of the discussion matter quiet for politically sensitive reasons. Hell, a lot of diplomatic discussions are kept quiet for politically sensitive reasons and we don’t know about them. That’s why it seems like nothing is being done to the outsiders, while, for all we know, Obama’s on his 5th set of stitches because of all of the talking he’s been doing, either with his team or foreign diplomats.
Not everything can be solved quite simply. If we’re too aggressive in regards to Turkey, the Islamists would use that to fan the flames among the population and that would come to some big headaches to not only the US, but the entire region.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:51:58pm |
re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist
It’s sort of hypnotic. Also, the woman who writes for Mudflats is very funny. And I have learned many things about life in Alaska from reading her.
Ahaa, you think too highly of me, my friend…i was asking miss Sea if she was watching this mess of a Florida-Florida State game, as opposed to the mess named Palin…i am unfortunately running low on the sort of pejoratives necessary to describe madame Palin without having to repeat myself.
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SteveC Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:53:09pm |
re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist
I’m terribly sorry, I have a cold.
*emailing mom’s chicken soup to SFZ.*
*SFZ receives an email attachment of a semi-clear broth, rice, and small chunks of meat and thinks “What in the world…?”*
Seriously, hope you feel better!
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:54:23pm |
re: #193 commadore183
i’m sorry if you’ve explained this already, but is there a story behind ‘commadore’ with an “a”?
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b_sharp Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:54:48pm |
re: #194 Aceofwhat?
Ahaa, you think too highly of me, my friend…i was asking miss Sea if she was watching this mess of a Florida-Florida State game, as opposed to the mess named Palin…i am unfortunately running low on the sort of pejoratives necessary to describe madame Palin without having to repeat myself.
Palin is a figment of her own imagination, an hallucination imposed upon the writhing masses.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:55:48pm |
It’s 62 degrees here with wind blowing. brrrrrrr.
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:56:47pm |
re: #197 b_sharp
Palin is a figment of her own imagination, an hallucination imposed upon the writhing masses.
i knew we were all just guilty of projection………….
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wrenchwench Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:57:49pm |
re: #198 Stanley Sea
It’s 62 degrees here with wind blowing. brrr.
Californian.
It’s more like 42 here. And more wind, too, I’ll bet. And I’m still wussy from my 18 years in your lovely state.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:58:26pm |
re: #200 wrenchwench
Californian.
It’s more like 42 here. And more wind, too, I’ll bet. And I’m still wussy from my 18 years in your lovely state.
I’m basically frozen.
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General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:59:35pm |
re: #196 Aceofwhat?
Misspelled it lol . Wish I could have a better story than that, but that’s it.
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wrenchwench Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:59:48pm |
re: #201 Stanley Sea
I’m basically frozen.
It’s all relative, isn’t it?
Back to the uninspiring windows….
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b_sharp Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:00:23pm |
re: #198 Stanley Sea
It’s 62 degrees here with wind blowing. brrr.
I feel for you.
Well, no I don’t.
Subtract ~30F from your temp and you have mine.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:00:32pm |
re: #197 b_sharp
Palin is a figment of her own imagination, an hallucination imposed upon the writhing masses.
not bad. my current rotating Palin description is ‘Palin: a person currently serving as the reminder that many of the traits often derided as “elitist” are in fact desirable qualities in a leader’.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:01:45pm |
re: #204 b_sharp
I feel for you.
Well, no I don’t.
Subtract ~30F from your temp and you have mine.
Sorta balmy for this time of year, isn’t it?
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:01:47pm |
re: #160 _RememberTonyC
Illegally invading two sovereign countries that were no danger to the US?
Oh, and the US did not defeat the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union defeated itself. When a nation spend 30%+ of its GDP on arms its economy is going to implode.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:03:08pm |
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b_sharp Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:04:43pm |
re: #206 Aceofwhat?
Sorta balmy for this time of year, isn’t it?
Did I forget to mention that’s the temperature inside the house? I have no idea what the temp is outside, our mercury thermometer is frozen solid.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:07:41pm |
re: #209 b_sharp
Did I forget to mention that’s the temperature inside the house? I have no idea what the temp is outside, our mercury thermometer is frozen solid.
oooh. Cannot imagine.
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:09:14pm |
re: #208 Aceofwhat?
illegally?
idonotthinkitmeanswhatyouthinkitmeans…
Oh? Had either Panama or Grenada attacked US soil or forces? Under international law it is only legal for one country to fight another in self defence.
So yeah, those invasions were illegal.
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:10:02pm |
re: #211 Romantic Heretic
Oh? Had either Panama or Grenada attacked US soil or forces? Under international law it is only legal for one country to fight another in self defence.
So yeah, those invasions were illegal.
HM the Queen still hasn’t forgiven the US for that whole Greneda thing.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:15:29pm |
Hey Ace - what’s going through my head?
The Nancy Kerrigan tape - why? why? why?
(remember?)
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wrenchwench Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:16:21pm |
re: #203 wrenchwench
Back to the uninspiring windows…
Heh. I just found out the window judging was supposed to be LAST night, but they’re doing it again tonight because “some weren’t ready…”
Back to work!
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General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:21:26pm |
Cargo plane with 8 on board crashes in Karachi, Pakistan
KARACHI, Pakistan — A cargo plane crashed into a residential area of Pakistan’s largest city soon after takeoff Sunday, setting off a huge blaze. The aircraft had eight crew on board, the civil aviation authority said,
Casualties on the ground appeared likely.
An Associated Press reporting team at the scene said several buildings were on fire and loud explosions were being heard. The plane came down in a housing complex for Naval officers, the reporters said.
Aviation authority spokesman Pervais George said the Russian-made cargo plane was heading to Sudan when it came down two minutes after take off. He said he could not confirm any information on casualties.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:21:32pm |
re: #213 Stanley Sea
Hey Ace - what’s going through my head?
The Nancy Kerrigan tape - why? why? why?
(remember?)
hilarious
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Stanley Sea Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:24:08pm |
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:25:03pm |
re: #198 Stanley Sea
It’s 62 degrees here with wind blowing. brrr.
It’s 73 degrees down here in Chula Vista……. but with the wind chill factor it feels like 72 degrees…… a bit on the chilly side.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:25:28pm |
This is kinda cool…
This Guy Crashed a Thanksgiving Party Because He Got an Accidental E-Mail Invite(with videos)
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Stanley Sea Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:25:44pm |
re: #218 Mr Pancakes
It’s 73 degrees down here in Chula Vista… but with the wind chill factor it feels like 72 degrees… a bit on the chilly side.
I’m in Mission Hills! I think a storm is coming thru?
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elizajane Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:26:11pm |
re: #144 Stanley Sea
The Mudflats continues:
Mudflats
I read Palin’s book so u don’t have to - Chapter 1, Part 1 (aka the first half of the crap sandwich) [Link: bit.ly…] #p2 #palin #books
That link was brilliant. Hilarious blow-by-blow account of the first 17 pages of Palin’s book. Example:
“It is a hideous conservative screed, punctuated with “like my Dad used to say” or “I remember when I was a little girl and…” just to make you think it’s plausible that it might have been written by her, if you allowed yourself to believe for one flat second that she’s ever even remotely thought about anything contained in this chapter.
O, ye who doubt that the intellectually curious mind of Sarah Palin was pondering and researching the demise of the Soviet Union as a new mother with an infant baby … read on.
Page 1 – When she was elected Governor, a friend gave her a picture of Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. It hung on her office wall when she was in Juneau, and today it hangs on her office wall in Wasilla. “Call it corny, but Mr. Smith is one of my favorite movies.”
[Hmmm. I don’t remember the part where Jefferson Smith quit halfway through his term, and traveled the country making millions in a book deal and promoting divisiveness. But thanks for ruining the movie for me anyway.]”
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:26:19pm |
re: #220 Stanley Sea
I’m in Mission Hills! I think a storm is coming thru?
It kinda has that feel doesn’t it?
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Stanley Sea Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:30:00pm |
re: #221 elizajane
That link was brilliant. Hilarious blow-by-blow account of the first 17 pages of Palin’s book. Example:
“It is a hideous conservative screed, punctuated with “like my Dad used to say” or “I remember when I was a little girl and…” just to make you think it’s plausible that it might have been written by her, if you allowed yourself to believe for one flat second that she’s ever even remotely thought about anything contained in this chapter.
O, ye who doubt that the intellectually curious mind of Sarah Palin was pondering and researching the demise of the Soviet Union as a new mother with an infant baby … read on.
Page 1 – When she was elected Governor, a friend gave her a picture of Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. It hung on her office wall when she was in Juneau, and today it hangs on her office wall in Wasilla. “Call it corny, but Mr. Smith is one of my favorite movies.”
[Hmmm. I don’t remember the part where Jefferson Smith quit halfway through his term, and traveled the country making millions in a book deal and promoting divisiveness. But thanks for ruining the movie for me anyway.]”
You must start frequenting the Mudflats. I loved her opening line:
OK, I’m saying it flat out. This chapter was crap. It was like a crap sandwich, only the bread was also crap. Crap on crap with a side of crap.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:33:40pm |
re: #211 Romantic Heretic
Oh? Had either Panama or Grenada attacked US soil or forces? Under international law it is only legal for one country to fight another in self defence.
So yeah, those invasions were illegal.
The US offered justification, however flimsy it may or may not have been. On what do you base your assertion that the justification wasn’t up to ‘international law’ snuff?
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Varek Raith Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:34:32pm |
Way to forget you LGF password there, Varek.
9_9
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:37:14pm |
re: #217 Stanley Sea
hahaha. I have to laugh somehow.
i especially like who you’ve cast in the role of Tonya Harding there…
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:39:42pm |
re: #224 Aceofwhat?
The US offered justification, however flimsy it may or may not have been. On what do you base your assertion that the justification wasn’t up to ‘international law’ snuff?
Reagans chief lawyer was John Yoo?………..
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:40:15pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:52:12pm |
off to dinner with family and then some evening tennis. good evening, all-
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:04:19pm |
re: #116 _RememberTonyC
The foiling of this plot is a victory for everyone. Obama wins because it happened on his watch. And the fact that our law enforcement system worked as it did should make us all happy. More than anything else, the whole country wins.
But the 800 lb elephant in the room still looms large. Does anyone want to guess what that might be? And is our reluctance to discuss it frankly and honestly something we can afford to do?
It’s a tough conversation, but people of good will should be able to engage in it without being labeled as bigots. And that label is thrown around far too frequently for my taste. Sometimes it DOES apply, but not ALWAYS.
Here’s a proposal as to how to conduct such a discussion. Don’t discuss “a religion”. Discuss political religion. Political Islam is a huge threat to peace. Much more so than political Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc., although they all suck. Just don’t touch personal Islam, personal Christianity, personal Judaism, etc. - religions as they’re practiced by individuals. There isn’t much difference between them on this level anyway.
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Max Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:29:55pm |
Funny how both militant Muslims and Christians want to destroy America and build a theocracy by attacking the country on Obama’s watch.
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anand Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:26:51pm |
Charles, I’d beg to differ. It’s a good thing that the FBI intervened. If they hadn’t, we’d have had another Faisal Shahzad on our hands.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Nov 27, 2010 7:47:48pm |
I wonder how the right wing blogs will turn this into a defeat for the Obama administration?
I haven’t seen any right wing blogs doing that but I did see kooky Alex Jones’ blog & lefty blog Firedoglake blame the FBI for setting up this poor misguided yute.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:52:04am |
re: #233 NJDhockeyfan
Alex Jones is now embraced on the right-wing.
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Pacificlady Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:55:46am |
Kudos to the FBI. I wasn’t in Portland that evening, but had some friends that were there. The man was obviously determined to kill Americans. I guess coming here from Somali to live under America’s freedom and be educated with my tax dollars wasn’t good enough. F**k him. Trail him and if guilty, execute him.I only feel sorry for his parents and the Oregon Somalian community. People will paint the community with a broad brush.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:18:30am |
re: #232 anand
Charles, I’d beg to differ. It’s a good thing that the FBI intervened. If they hadn’t, we’d have had another Faisal Shahzad on our hands.
You’d beg to differ with what? Where did I say it wasn’t a good thing the FBI intervened, and why would you even think that was my opinion?
Good grief.
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notonanyday Sun, Nov 28, 2010 12:50:51pm |
And the obligatory spasm of hate (story from The Oregonian):
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