Krauthammer Says ‘Liberals Are Obsessed with Palin’

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One of the saddest falls from sanity has been Charles Krauthammer’s. Of all the conservative pundits, he was frequently one of the most rational, back in the day, but now he’s completely controlled by the Obama Derangement Syndrome that has subsumed the entire right wing like a vampiric virus.

Here’s one of the silliest points he’s made yet, as he bashes the “liberal media” for being “obsessed with Sarah Palin,” at the same time as he works as an analyst for Fox News — where it’s all Sarah Palin, all the time — and as Palin puts herself and family in front of the cameras at every opportunity.

Krauthammer’s frustration probably stems from the fact that he doesn’t have much respect for Sarah Palin, and the last thing he wants is for her to run for President. But I predict that when she does, Krauthammer’s going to jump right on board and sing her praises like every other right wing pundit.

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1 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:50:58pm

Everyone who works at Fox is a liberal?

2 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:51:11pm

Yep, he’s most certainly fallen into deep ODS.
And wth was up with his “START is irrelevant” nonsense of an column?
Sheesh.

3 Transfromnation  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:51:54pm

An interesting question:

Is the media more obsessed with Sarah Palin, or is Sarah Palin more obsessed with the media?

4 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:55:40pm

re: #3 Transfromnation

An interesting question:

Is the media more obsessed with Sarah Palin, or is Sarah Palin more obsessed with the media?

I gave up and decided the entire concept was best explained thus….

5 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:59:05pm

There is a mesmerizing similarity between watching Palin and happening upon a violent car crash where the chance of seeing something grizzly and revolting but also riveting is embarrassingly high, yet there is fear associated with it as if the crash involved a tanker full of toxic gas.

6 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:01:07pm

Krauthammer is complaining about the show he’s on (as part of the Liberal Media) being obsessed with Palin, and using her to represent all of conservatism.

So what is Krauthammer representing on that show?

7 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:02:26pm

re: #3 Transfromnation

An interesting question:

Is the media more obsessed with Sarah Palin, or is Sarah Palin more obsessed with the media?

Yes.

To the media, Palin is the embarrassing relative about to fart at the table during a meal with your boss, and to Palin, the media is a source of attention, giving her narcissistic needs immediate gratification.

8 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:03:48pm

re: #2 Varek Raith

Yep, he’s most certainly fallen into deep ODS.
And wth was up with his “START is irrelevant” nonsense of an column?
Sheesh.

That was so stupid, it was too depressing to write about. For Krauthammer of all people to take such a blatantly illogical position purely out of partisan motives … really sad.

9 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:04:59pm

re: #8 Charles

That was so stupid, it was too depressing to write about. For Krauthammer of all people to take such a blatantly illogical position purely out of partisan motives … really sad.

But not surprising - i don’t think he’s been on top of things for quite some time now.

10 Stanley Sea  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:05:39pm

By saying this, he (as usual) side steps her ignorance that’s been on show for everyone to see. They just make it about liberals and in turn they foolishly wipe their hands of the ignorance they are putting in power. Shame on them.

11 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:06:18pm

She the GOP front runner.

Palin Leads GOP Prez Poll

Sarah Palin can win the Republican nomination for 2012—but she can’t win the presidency, according to the latest Quinnipiac poll. The nationwide poll found that Palin—who recently told Barbara Walters she could defeat President Obama—would narrowly win a primary involving the current most-likely GOP front-runners, but would be defeated by President Obama 48% to 40% in a general election, despite the fact that only 43% of voters believe Obama deserves a second term.

It isn’t liberal obsession that’s the problem. It’s the conservatives who are obsessed with this unelectable idiot.

12 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:09:35pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

She the GOP front runner.

Palin Leads GOP Prez Poll

It isn’t liberal obsession that’s the problem. It’s the conservatives who are obsessed with this unelectable idiot.

if she is nominated she will the the Republican’s McGovern in electoral terms.

13 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:10:23pm

Even among Republicans her support is weak among those with an education….
Palin Support Limited Among Wealthy, College-Educated Republicans

Three recent surveys of Republican primary voters suggest significant divides in support for Ms. Palin based on the educational attainment of the voter. A poll released this morning by Marist College show Ms. Palin as the first choice of 17 percent of Republicans who have not graduated from college, giving her a slight lead among that group. But her support is just 7 percent among Republican college graduates, which placed her fifth behind Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingirch and Chris Christie.

A Quinnipiac poll, likewise, finds Ms. Palin with the support of 22 percent of Republicans who have not graduated from college, but of 10 percent of those who have. A CNN poll, meanwhile — using a slightly different criterion that focuses on whether voters attended college, whether or not they graduated from it — finds Ms. Palin drawing 20 percent of Republican voters who haven’t attended college, but only 9 percent of those who have.

14 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:11:52pm

re: #12 wozzablog

if she is nominated she will the the Republican’s McGovern in electoral terms.

I don’t think any of the Republican candidates have a chance in 2012. I just can’t imagine today’s Republican party nominating a viable candidate.

15 Palmer_Eldritch  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:13:05pm

Krauthammer wrote that great column attacking creationism ([Link: www.washingtonpost.com…] but Palin ain’t no monkey’s uncle. The party of personal responsibility devolves into a dogmatic hive-mind…

16 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:13:38pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Even among Republicans her support is weak among those with an education…
Palin Support Limited Among Wealthy, College-Educated Republicans

Damn Elites. Them and their book learning, what do they know? They know nothing of the trials and tribulations of the common man.

17 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:14:34pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

I don’t think any of the Republican candidates have a chance in 2012. I just can’t imagine today’s Republican party nominating a viable candidate.

now we know why Obama sent John Huntsman to China…………


(conspiracy eleventy……………….)

18 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:15:28pm

Off-topic non-serious non-news,: I wonder if Medvedev is the first head of a state to officially use a smiley?

Don’t laugh, if we discuss Palin’s tweets, why not those of a man who she sees from her house?

19 elizajane  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:15:57pm

Every moderately sane person in the Republican party is obsessed with Palin, consumed by horror at the prospect that she could win the nomination. Columns about her—desperate attempts to undercut her—are becoming increasingly common on center-right websites. David Frum covers her almost as much as Andrew Sullivan does these days. Neither of them is exactly the “mainstream liberal media” that Chuckles (and Sarah herself) love to hate.

20 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:18:08pm

re: #18 Sergey Romanov

Off-topic non-serious non-news,: I wonder if Medvedev is the first head of a state to officially use a smiley?

Don’t laugh, if we discuss Palin’s tweets, why not those of a man who she sees from her house?

What’s he saying?

21 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:18:40pm

Is it obsession to say “I don’t want that” when someone keeps trying to serve you a huge pile of bullshit?

22 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:21:29pm

Consider this - and moreover, consider this for the next two years, whenever Republican politics are discussed. (Which, on this site, will be a lot.)

FOX decides who the next Republican candidate will be. Rush too, to an extent, but mostly FOX. With this US political system, in this 21st century, it has proven all too easy to subvert the process and disrupt the flow of information that has protected the popular vote till now. It does not matter what ‘the people’ want. It does not matter what the Republican establishment want. It does not matter what actual conservatives, or moderate Republicans want.

The voting core of the right is now a wholly media-controlled cult. And as such, many of the previous political barometers are irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what any given candidate does to position themselves, or to boost their resume. The real question is whether the powers that be at FOX decide it is better for them to promote a candidate that is broadly electable, or one that is not. (See Palin, Sarah.)

That’s the only question that matters from here on in. The Republican Party, as we once understood it, is no longer in control of their message, and their core voters are now controlled entirely by a media cult. It is a cult they must appease, even if they do not belong to it. And those who control the doctrines that this cult worship now decide the issues that confront the population.

Pray that they do not, in time, decide the direction of the country.

23 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:24:38pm

re: #20 Varek Raith

What’s he saying?

He is congratulating Tver Gov. Zelenin with his birthday, and wishes him to celebrate well and “kill the worm”. “To kill the worm” is an expression meaning to eat enough to be sated. In this context this is a joke that refers to the “Kremlin worm” incident, started by Zelenin.

Medvedev has also just retweeted a tweet by a satirical account “KremlinCherv” (i.e. “KremlinWorm”), which says “Thanks, Dmitry Anatolyevich! This is doubly enjoyable for us! After all, in some sense this is my celebration too! Please retweet!”.

The last tweet by KremlinCherv is in English:

Dear @BarackObama! Due to order of our President I am expecting to be eaten up in the woods of Tver. I beg you to grant me asylum in the US.
less than 20 seconds ago via web

24 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:26:24pm

g’night everybody

25 JamesWI  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:26:51pm

OT: I’m just having fun watching my Badgers beat the hell out of everyone.

26 AlexRogan  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:31:15pm

Fuck Krauthammer (and anyone with any juice in today’s GOP with half a brain) for signing on to this intellectually dishonest shit. If you want my respect, you have to earn it…at this point, very few GOP pols and pundits have any of my respect left, because the bulk of them are craven, power-hungry assholes, pumping the nativist, populist krayzee train for all it’s (perceived to be) worth

27 elizajane  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:31:49pm

re: #22 Renaissance_Man

Consider this - and moreover, consider this for the next two years, whenever Republican politics are discussed. (Which, on this site, will be a lot.)

FOX decides who the next Republican candidate will be. Rush too, to an extent, but mostly FOX. With this US political system, in this 21st century, it has proven all too easy to subvert the process and disrupt the flow of information that has protected the popular vote till now. It does not matter what ‘the people’ want. It does not matter what the Republican establishment want. It does not matter what actual conservatives, or moderate Republicans want.

The voting core of the right is now a wholly media-controlled cult. And as such, many of the previous political barometers are irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what any given candidate does to position themselves, or to boost their resume. The real question is whether the powers that be at FOX decide it is better for them to promote a candidate that is broadly electable, or one that is not. (See Palin, Sarah.)


Can you suggest a “broadly electable” candidate that Fox might feasibly support?

Mike “cop-killer-pardoner” Huckabee?
Mitt “can you say health care” Romney?
Newt “serial monogamy” Gingrich?
Rick “make homosexuality illegal” Santorum?

I can’t see Fox getting all tingly about some governor from the midwest who has ideas about balancing budgets. But go ahead, convince me otherwise.

28 theheat  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:32:19pm
But I predict that when she does, Krauthammer’s going to jump right on board and sing her praises like every other right wing pundit.

A whole lotta this.

ODS runs so deep, the GOP would spend every last dollar pimping Palin if they thought it would put a Republican in the WH. No matter how dangerously stupid, inept, and self-centered she is, they’d all rally behind her. If racists, liars, deniers, and right wing religious nuts don’t bother them, there’s little about Palin to cause the GOP concern.

I venture even Schwarzenegger and Lisa Murkowski would jump on the Palin train, if she’s the person ultimately nominated. The pooh-poohers can’t seem to help themselves when it comes to supporting their own party, no matter how godawful.

29 elizajane  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:33:45pm

re: #28 theheat

A whole lotta this.

ODS runs so deep, the GOP would spend every last dollar pimping Palin if they thought it would put a Republican in the WH. No matter how dangerously stupid, inept, and self-centered she is, they’d all rally behind her. If racists, liars, deniers, and right wing religious nuts don’t bother them, there’s little about Palin to cause the GOP concern.

I venture even Schwarzenegger and Lisa Murkowski would jump on the Palin train, if she’s the person ultimately nominated. The pooh-poohers can’t seem to help themselves when it comes to supporting their own party, no matter how godawful.


Sorry, but it will be a cold day in h*ll (or a hot one in Alaska) before the fair Lisa supports Lady Sarah. Not a chance.

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:35:09pm

re: #28 theheat

A whole lotta this.

ODS runs so deep, the GOP would spend every last dollar pimping Palin if they thought it would put a Republican in the WH. No matter how dangerously stupid, inept, and self-centered she is, they’d all rally behind her. If racists, liars, deniers, and right wing religious nuts don’t bother them, there’s little about Palin to cause the GOP concern.

I venture even Schwarzenegger and Lisa Murkowski would jump on the Palin train, if she’s the person ultimately nominated. The pooh-poohers can’t seem to help themselves when it comes to supporting their own party, no matter how godawful.

I just cannot see her getting that nomination.

31 theheat  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:36:59pm

re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist

I think her chances are at least 50-50. That’s shudder worthy.

32 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:40:14pm

Where is everybody, off shopping?

33 theheat  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:43:20pm

re: #32 b_sharp

Throwing leftovers in the microwave.

34 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:44:47pm

re: #32 b_sharp

Things always slow way down on Thanksgiving and Christmas weekends.

35 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:45:05pm

Looking at CK’s wiki entry, I see that he was a critic of ID creationism, so at least intellectually he was a head above other RW pundits (how I hate this word…). Yet he opposed Park51 on specious grounds, so morally he is on their average level as far as I’m concerned.

36 palomino  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:45:10pm

Are liberals any more obsessed with Palin than conservatives were with Obama starting in early 2007 when he announced his candidacy? Maybe a little, but given the fact that she or some member of her clan are fixtures on no fewer than three TV networks, is this any surprise?

And the mean stuff that liberals say about the half governor is at least based in fact (with the exception of the wacko theory that her baby was born of another mom).

Obama, due to his race and, even more so, his international connections was immediately the target of all manner of vicous rumormongering. And that hasn’t changed one iota.

37 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:45:40pm

re: #34 Charles

Things always slow way down on Thanksgiving and Christmas weekends.

But I’m bored.

It’s not Thanksgiving here.

38 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:48:22pm

re: #37 b_sharp

But I’m bored.

It’s not Thanksgiving here.

Do you celebrate St. Andrew’s Day? I just saw it on my calender and it says it’s for Canadians.

39 palomino  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:49:06pm

re: #25 JamesWI

OT: I’m just having fun watching my Badgers beat the hell out of everyone.

I thought that was a BASKETBALL score against Indiana. 83-20?

40 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:49:34pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

Do you celebrate St. Andrew’s Day? I just saw it on my calender and it says it’s for Canadians.

Only if a case of Guinness comes with it.

41 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:49:36pm

BTW, I know Thanksgiving is over, but I found this article just yesterday, while researching some issue:

[Link: www.stjohns.edu…]

Thanksgiving in Nuremberg (1945)

I liked this part:

Jackson
spoke briefly, explaining the American history and tradition of
Thanksgiving to his British, Russian and French colleagues.

[…]

Jackson asked two members of the United States staff to speak.
One, Captain Edmund A. Walsh, was in civilian life Father Walsh, S.J., vice
president of Georgetown University and rector of its School of Foreign
Service. The other, U.S. Army Chaplain Henry F. Gerecke, was a Lutheran
pastor assigned to minister to prisoners who were Protestants. On that
morning, Chaplain Gerecke offered a Thanksgiving prayer. As he spoke,
most of those present, including the IMT judges, the senior Soviet
prosecutors and the not-particularly-religious Justice Jackson, folded their
hands and bowed their heads.

There is a photo.

42 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:52:28pm

re: #35 Sergey Romanov

Looking at CK’s wiki entry, I see that he was a critic of ID creationism, so at least intellectually he was a head above other RW pundits (how I hate this word…). Yet he opposed Park51 on specious grounds, so morally he is on their average level as far as I’m concerned.

This is why I said Krauthammer was frequently one of the most rational right wing pundits.

He didn’t deny the existence of human-caused climate change, either. But lately he has also joined the partisan GOP denial brigade on this too.

At this rate, he may end up a believer in Biblical creationism before too much longer.

43 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:54:41pm

re: #42 Charles

This is why I said Krauthammer was frequently one of the most rational right wing pundits.

He didn’t deny the existence of human-caused climate change, either. But lately he has also joined the partisan GOP denial brigade on this too.

At this rate, he may end up a believer in Biblical creationism before too much longer.

He’s following the golden egg laying goose picking up whatever plops out.

44 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:57:11pm

Hey Jimmah.

How are you and Ice doing?

45 SpaceJesus  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:06:10pm

sharing a country with these people sure is something sometimes

46 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:09:50pm

I more or less gave up on Loonwatch after their absolutely idiotic attack on Zionism. Still, I’m checking them from time to time since they do post interesting info sometimes, like this bit:

[Link: www.loonwatch.com…]

It’s not up-to-date but offers an interesting perspective. One could argue with this - e.g. a comparison could be not by a number of incidents but by a number of victims. Still this should be taken into account when discussing the threat of Islamic terrorism.

There is also European data:

[Link: www.loonwatch.com…]

47 JamesWI  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:13:45pm

re: #39 palomino

I thought that was a BASKETBALL score against Indiana. 83-20?

The other day, we had a basketball game where the score at the half was 17-10 Wisconsin. I think we ended up winning with 50-something points.

Our football team wins with basketball scores, and our basketball team wins with football scores.

48 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:21:29pm

OK, I’m off to see the Helen Keller The Musical SP episode. BBL.

49 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:22:29pm

The day after an elbow tp the face….

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

U.S. President Barack Obama watches a college basketball game at Howard University November 27, 2010 in Washington, DC. President Barack Obama attended the game between Howard University and Oregon State, which is coached by his brother in law Craig Robinson.

He must have good healthcare coverage.

50 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:22:35pm

Eek! They’re starting to multiply!

Is Rick Perry The Next Sarah Palin?

If Palin is Caribou Barbie, who is Perry? Armadillo Ken? Will he quit halfway through his new term and go on Fox News with Pilsbury DoughBeck and fellow Texan Alex Jones? “Goodhair and the Troofers” does have a certain ring to it.

51 palomino  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:22:37pm

re: #47 JamesWI

The other day, we had a basketball game where the score at the half was 17-10 Wisconsin. I think we ended up winning with 50-something points.

Our football team wins with basketball scores, and our basketball team wins with football scores.

Which may be why I now like college football more than college hoops. Go Badgers (and anybody else who can put up 83 points on the gridiron).

52 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:23:30pm

‘Liberals Are Obsessed with Palin the Unbelievable Quantity of Morons on Fox News’

53 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:23:34pm

re: #47 JamesWI

The other day, we had a basketball game where the score at the half was 17-10 Wisconsin. I think we ended up winning with 50-something points.

Our football team wins with basketball scores, and our basketball team wins with football scores.

OU vs. OSU in 40 minutes…Should be crazy in Oklahoma within the hour..
/What’s new? LOL

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:24:50pm

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel

Eek! They’re starting to multiply!

Is Rick Perry The Next Sarah Palin?

If Palin is Caribou Barbie, who is Perry? Armadillo Ken? Will he quit halfway through his new term and go on Fox News with Pilsbury DoughBeck and fellow Texan Alex Jones? “Goodhair and the Troofers” does have a certain ring to it.

Rick Perry has an actual political career behind him. He can’t be Sarah.

55 blueraven  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:24:51pm

re: #18 Sergey Romanov

Off-topic non-serious non-news,: I wonder if Medvedev is the first head of a state to officially use a smiley?

Don’t laugh, if we discuss Palin’s tweets, why not those of a man who she sees from her house?

What do you think of Medvedev? I confess to being pretty ignorant about Russian politics. I did watch an extended interview with him on CNN once. He came across as very intelligent, thoughtful and quite likable.
How does he “poll” with the Russian people as opposed to Putin?

56 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:26:20pm
Krauthammer’s frustration probably stems from the fact that he doesn’t have much respect for Sarah Palin, and the last thing he wants is for her to run for President.

That’s the money shot.

As CJ points out, as a reasonably sane conservative Krauthammer has to wake up every day to yet more media focus on Palin. That’s very, very depressing (I know first hand).

Where Krauthammer slips is when he blames the media for keeping Palin in the news. They are not to blame, of course. Palin and her minions do everything they can to stay in front of the cameras.

The media has been broadcasting train and car wrecks from the beginning of time. Why would they stop now?

As for Krauthammer himself, I disagree with CJ somewhat. While Krauthammer does at times ride in the wrong lane, not all of his criticisms of the administration are off base and simply criticizing some policies are not always examples of ODS. There is a tendency on the left (as there is on the right) to take the position that ‘my guy is always right’. That attitude is what sank the right two years ago and the same attitude was why in no small measure, the mid terms went the way they did.

In politics, no one is always right. That’s pretty much the only sure thing.

57 KingKenrod  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:29:09pm

Krauthammer is right, liberals are obsessed with Palin. Whether the right wing is also obsessed with her in a positive way is irrelevant to his point that the left has PDS big time. Just look at the number of anti-Palin posts in this blog and others, the number of negative mentions she gets by celebrities, and in the MSM. All the attention just makes her a bigger hit on the right.

And Krauthammer doesn’t have have ODS either. Just two weeks ago he defended Obama’s India trip while the rest of the right wing were coming up with the usual dumbassery.

58 blueraven  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:30:55pm

re: #56 researchok

That’s the money shot.

As CJ points out, as a reasonably sane conservative Krauthammer has to wake up every day to yet more media focus on Palin. That’s very, very depressing (I know first hand).

Where Krauthammer slips is when he blames the media for keeping Palin in the news. They are not to blame, of course. Palin and her minions do everything they can to stay in front of the cameras.

The media has been broadcasting train and car wrecks from the beginning of time. Why would they stop now?

As for Krauthammer himself, I disagree with CJ somewhat. While Krauthammer does at times ride in the wrong lane, not all of his criticisms of the administration are off base and simply criticizing some policies are not always examples of ODS. There is a tendency on the left (as there is on the right) to take the position that ‘my guy is always right’. That attitude is what sank the right two years ago and the same attitude was why in no small measure, the mid terms went the way they did.

In politics, no one is always right. That’s pretty much the only sure thing.

I might agree to a point.
But how do you account for his comments that the START treaty is irrelevant?

59 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:31:37pm

re: #56 researchok

…..not all of his criticisms of the administration are off base and simply criticizing some policies are not always examples of ODS. There is a tendency on the left (as there is on the right) to take the position that ‘my guy is always right’. That attitude is what sank the right two years ago and the same attitude was why in no small measure, the mid terms went the way they did.

In politics, no one is always right. That’s pretty much the only sure thing.

I haven;t seen much rational criticism of Obama. It’s tough to sort through all the bullshit and bogus stories.Especially when it comes to complicated issues like healthcare and economics the fact checking is really difficult for most peopl. I kinda stopped paying attention.

60 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:32:31pm

re: #57 KingKenrod

Krauthammer is right, liberals are obsessed with Palin

nobody would be paying much attention to her if there weren’t millions of idiots who actually believe that she should be president of the united states and are actively working to bring this about

61 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:32:54pm

re: #57 KingKenrod

Just two weeks ago he defended Obama’s India trip while the rest of the right wing were coming up with the usual dumbassery.


I really don’t see that as great achievement. I think you’re setting the bad a little low.

62 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:33:27pm

re: #58 blueraven

I might agree to a point.
But how do you account for his comments that the START treaty is irrelevant?

I disagree with him on that, for sure.

That said, START won’t fall apart without a treaty for a few more years.

The outrage is the anatganism is only for domestic consumption.

The GOP want to sign the the treaty- they don’t want to give the Dems credit for anything.

63 blueraven  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:33:59pm

re: #57 KingKenrod

Krauthammer is right, liberals are obsessed with Palin. Whether the right wing is also obsessed with her in a positive way is irrelevant to his point that the left has PDS big time. Just look at the number of anti-Palin posts in this blog and others, the number of negative mentions she gets by celebrities, and in the MSM. All the attention just makes her a bigger hit on the right.

And Krauthammer doesn’t have have ODS either. Just two weeks ago he defended Obama’s India trip while the rest of the right wing were coming up with the usual dumbassery.

BS! It is Palin that is obsessed with the media. If she is out of print for a day or two she will do something to get her name out there. She is an insecure hack to put it bluntly.

64 theheat  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:34:25pm

re: #57 KingKenrod

Calling a quitter a quitter, or an idiot an idiot, a liar a liar, or a shallow attention seeking attention hound an attention hound is PDS - it falls more under “documentary,” similar to “weather report.”

65 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:34:44pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

bad= bar
/ugh

66 Political Atheist  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:35:13pm

re: #42 Charles

Independent is a state of mind not merely a lack of party affiliation. The Indy state of mind takes it’s own look at events, facts and opinions expressed. The partisan is spared all that hard thinking. Spared the embarrassment of disagreement and debate. After all that takes so much effort.

Mr Krauthammer needs to take a step back and re-assert his own mind, his own intelligence. It’s in there just needs to be recovered.

67 theheat  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:35:13pm

re: #64 theheat

PIMF - is not PDS

68 elizajane  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:35:41pm

re: #63 blueraven

BS! It is Palin that is obsessed with the media. If she is out of print for a day or two she will do something to get her name out there. She is an insecure hack to put it bluntly.

Agree. If Obama spent as much time as she does obsessing over (and tweeting about) every negative thing any media figure says about him, he wouldn’t have time to be president. Kind of like how she didn’t have time to be governor.

69 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:36:23pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

I haven;t seen much rational criticism of Obama. It’s tough to sort through all the bullshit and bogus stories.Especially when it comes to complicated issues like healthcare and economics the fact checking is really difficult for most peopl. I kinda stopped paying attention.

Yes, there is a shortage of cogent criticism, but it is there. How to pay to health care comes immediately to mind as does the implementation programs and the waivers.

Then there is the domestic monetary policy, a whole other can of worms.

In both those cases, a gradual approach makes more sense in my opinion.

70 Gus  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:36:30pm

Obsessed? The only people that are really obsessed with Sarah Palin are her fans and a significant portion of the GOP base. She’s on TV daily; has her own reality TV show; Facebook; Twitter; on book after another; book signing appearances which also included a nationwide bus tour; appearances on Fox News; radio interviews; etc.

This is all the workings of her own PR campaign which began in earnest after she quit being governor of Alaska. It’s only natural that she get attention because Sarah Palin LLC puts a great deal of effort into getting that attention. It’s also natural that she will also get negative attention and it might not necessarily be an obsession but a morbid or critical fascination.

Palin get more attention than Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, and Britiney Spears combined. Although to update this more she gets more attention than Justin Bieber. She is indeed a popular figure and negative press and attention comes with the territory. And unlike Justin Bieber, Sarah Palin is making an effort to the change the lives of the American people and many of us are damn well opposed to those changes.

Deal with it.

71 blueraven  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:36:48pm

re: #62 researchok

I disagree with him on that, for sure.

That said, START won’t fall apart without a treaty for a few more years.

The outrage is the anatganism is only for domestic consumption.

The GOP want to sign the the treaty- they don’t want to give the Dems credit for anything.

What? Are you serious?

We need the treaty to verify nuclear material. This is the only way to account for material that could go to rogue regimes, and it is dangerous to stall this treaty.

72 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:37:08pm

re: #63 blueraven

BS! It is Palin that is obsessed with the media. If she is out of print for a day or two she will do something to get her name out there. She is an insecure hack to put it bluntly.

She’s not insecure- she is obsessed.

Big, big difference.

73 elizajane  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:38:41pm

re: #72 researchok

She’s not insecure- she is obsessed.

Big, big difference.

Insecure AND self-obsessed.

74 blueraven  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:39:35pm

re: #72 researchok

She’s not insecure- she is obsessed.

Big, big difference.

She is awfully defensive for a “secure” person. I’ll stick with insecure and obsessed.

75 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:39:59pm

re: #71 blueraven

What? Are you serious?

We need the treaty to verify nuclear material. This is the only way to account for material that could go to rogue regimes, and it is dangerous to stall this treaty.

Yes.

START goes back decades and has never been a matter that either side has gone back on.

It is not dangerous to drag our feet on START for domestic political purposes. The Russians will not immediately go to war footing in the absence of a treaty. To imply that is absurd.

It is stupid.

76 Gus  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:42:14pm

re: #57 KingKenrod

Krauthammer is right, liberals are obsessed with Palin. Whether the right wing is also obsessed with her in a positive way is irrelevant to his point that the left has PDS big time. Just look at the number of anti-Palin posts in this blog and others, the number of negative mentions she gets by celebrities, and in the MSM. All the attention just makes her a bigger hit on the right.

And Krauthammer doesn’t have have ODS either. Just two weeks ago he defended Obama’s India trip while the rest of the right wing were coming up with the usual dumbassery.

Too bad. Palin wants to change America. She’s going to get hammered and that’s only natural. Palin fan boys just need to grow a pair and accept that reality.

I seem to recall a never ending obsession with Michael Moore and Keith Olbermann during the Bush years. And on the political end the obsession with Ted Kennedy and Al Gore was never ending and exists to this day.

It’s hilarious that the wingnuts are going to complain about this (somebody call a whambulance!) considering the daily fauxtrages about the president right down to what he puts in his sandwich. That’s the real obsession and it’s not coming from the left.

77 blueraven  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:43:29pm

re: #75 researchok

Yes.

START goes back decades and has never been a matter that either side has gone back on.

It is not dangerous to drag our feet on START for domestic political purposes. The Russians will not immediately go to war footing in the absence of a treaty. To imply that is absurd.

It is stupid.

I did not imply that there would be war with Russia. I said nuclear material can get in the wrong hands.

Stupid?

78 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:44:08pm

BBL

79 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:45:12pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

I haven;t seen much rational criticism of Obama. It’s tough to sort through all the bullshit and bogus stories.Especially when it comes to complicated issues like healthcare and economics the fact checking is really difficult for most peopl. I kinda stopped paying attention.

How true that is. It makes the meme of ‘if only Obama had listened to the American people, the election would have been different’ even more laughable.

Those ‘American people’ who this meme references are angry because they think he wants to kill their grandmother. They’re angry because taxes pay for their healthcare and education for their grandkids. They’re angry because he hangs Christmas ornaments on his tree. They’re angry because he goes to his daughter’s soccer game. They’re angry because his wife grows vegetables. They’re angry because he gives inspirational speeches to their kids. They’re angry because they see crescents in the logoes of government agencies. They’re angry because a third of the US Navy apparently accompanies him on trips overseas, where he apparently grovels to foreign dictators and plots to overthrow the United States.

In short, they are angry because he is President, and because they’re told to be.

Which of these issues should he listen to the American people about?

80 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:45:48pm

re: #77 blueraven

I did not imply that there would be war with Russia. I said nuclear material can get in the wrong hands.

Stupid?

Yes.

Nuclear material falling into the wrong hands has been a problem for a long time and will continue to be a problem for a long time to come.

Signing a single START treaty in a series of of other treaties will not change that.

81 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:46:42pm

palin: presidential ambition taste on a ‘dancing with the stars” mental ability budget

82 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:48:47pm

re: #75 researchok

Yes.

START goes back decades and has never been a matter that either side has gone back on.

It is not dangerous to drag our feet on START for domestic political purposes. The Russians will not immediately go to war footing in the absence of a treaty. To imply that is absurd.

It is stupid.

There are no inspectors on the ground in Russia.
There won’t be until the treaty is signed.
Understand?

83 Gus  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:48:57pm

re: #81 engineer dog

palin: presidential ambition taste on a ‘dancing with the stars” mental ability budget

Sarah Palin: you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. Or, you can put lipstick on a sows ear but you still can’t turn it into a silk purse.

//

84 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:49:50pm

re: #79 Renaissance_Man

How true that is. It makes the meme of ‘if only Obama had listened to the American people, the election would have been different’ even more laughable.

Those ‘American people’ who this meme references are angry because they think he wants to kill their grandmother. They’re angry because taxes pay for their healthcare and education for their grandkids. They’re angry because he hangs Christmas ornaments on his tree. They’re angry because he goes to his daughter’s soccer game. They’re angry because his wife grows vegetables. They’re angry because he gives inspirational speeches to their kids. They’re angry because they see crescents in the logoes of government agencies. They’re angry because a third of the US Navy apparently accompanies him on trips overseas, where he apparently grovels to foreign dictators and plots to overthrow the United States.

In short, they are angry because he is President, and because they’re told to be.

Which of these issues should he listen to the American people about?

That is teh state of politics today.

Remember the outrage over the Patriot Act?

Today, we still have that (and it’s been reinforced) and it has been enhanced. Why is there no noise? Because Obama has done a bang up when it comes to national security. He has constantly done the right thing when it comes to keeping the nation safe.

Sometimes, it has a lot to do with who is driving the bus.

85 blueraven  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:50:56pm

re: #80 researchok

Yes.

Nuclear material falling into the wrong hands has been a problem for a long time and will continue to be a problem for a long time to come.

Signing a single START treaty in a series of of other treaties will not change that.

It is not the be all, end all, but not signing it isn’t helpful. It is dangerous politically and practically. If we cant count on negotiated treaty’s because of petty domestic politics, then why would other nations even want to negotiate with us. Talk about your stupid!

86 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:50:59pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Sarah Palin: you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. Or, you can put lipstick on a sows ear but you still can’t turn it into a silk purse.

//

You can cast pearls before swine, but only if they have a silk purse to put them in (with the lipstick).

87 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:51:05pm

re: #82 Varek Raith

There are no inspectors on the ground in Russia.
There won’t be until the treaty is signed.
Understand?

Not only that but other nations may be reluctant to enter into treaties with us if the GOP is just going to play partisan games with them.
It’s completely irresponsible.

88 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:51:48pm

re: #82 Varek Raith

There are no inspectors on the ground in Russia.
There won’t be until the treaty is signed.
Understand?

Yeah, START has been a dismal failure till now- in a post Soviet world.

Look, I’m all for signing the START treaty, now. See my previous remarks on the subject.

As disgusted as I am with GOP, I’m also a realist.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:52:18pm

I find Sarah Palin infinitely hilarious, and I find a certain amount of vindictive enjoyment in watching this woman I was told was supposed to be a rockstar turn into this mess.

Does that count as obsession?

90 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:54:22pm

re: #88 researchok

On what grounds do you base START as a failure?

91 blueraven  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:54:57pm

re: #88 researchok

Yeah, START has been a dismal failure till now- in a post Soviet world.

Look, I’m all for signing the START treaty, now. See my previous remarks on the subject.

As disgusted as I am with GOP, I’m also hyper partisan a realist.

Whatever is good for the party!

92 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:54:59pm

re: #85 blueraven

It is not the be all, end all, but not signing it isn’t helpful. It is dangerous politically and practically. If we cant count on negotiated treaty’s because of petty domestic politics, then why would other nations even want to negotiate with us. Talk about your stupid!

Yes, I have said the same thing previously.

Now, please explain- how does not signing this latest treaty negate all the other treaties.

Further, what does this have to do with negotiating other treaties?

93 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:56:02pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

I find Sarah Palin infinitely hilarious, and I find a certain amount of vindictive enjoyment in watching this woman I was told was supposed to be a rockstar turn into this mess.

Does that count as obsession?

I don’t really find her funny, her voice is one of the most unpleasant things I’ve ever heard, the squeaky folksy I’m-just-a-rube-like-you cadence makes me wince. But I find the fact that there’s a significant portion of this country that wants to see her as president to be hysterical

94 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:56:41pm

re: #91 blueraven

Whatever is good for the party!

No, that’s not what I said.

Further, pretty much anyone here will tell you the last thing I am is highly partisan.

Why on earth would you deliberately mischaracterize what I said and believe?

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:57:31pm

re: #93 WindUpBird

if I had to listen to 20 minutes of a jackhammer, or TV snow, or maybe that looping emergency broadcast alert thing, in order to avoid listening to a 20 minute Palin speech, I would totally pick the former

96 dr. luba  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 4:58:33pm

re: #3 Transfromnation

Is the media more obsessed with Sarah Palin, or is Sarah Palin more obsessed with the media?

As someone else has pithily noted: Yes.

97 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:00:05pm

re: #92 researchok

Further, what does this have to do with negotiating other treaties?


Other countries go into negotiations with the President seeing that the legislature will not always ratify them for partisan motives. The other countries enter negotiations with a lower opinion of how well the US can follow through.

Simples.

98 bratwurst  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:00:56pm

re: #57 KingKenrod

Krauthammer is right, liberals are obsessed with Palin. Whether the right wing is also obsessed with her in a positive way is irrelevant to his point that the left has PDS big time. Just look at the number of anti-Palin posts in this blog and others, the number of negative mentions she gets by celebrities, and in the MSM. All the attention just makes her a bigger hit on the right.


So is it safe to assume you will be blaming the left when you get stuck with her as your nominee in about 18 months?

99 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:01:01pm

re: #90 Varek Raith

On what grounds do you base START as a failure?

I do not view START as a failure- it has been highly successful, in fact.

My view is that not signing this next chapter of START is stupid because the opposition is strictly political. The GOP does not want to give Obama any kind of ‘win’ and I believe this in fact will hurt them in the end. People are tired of highly partisan political behavior that makes DC look like a frat house.

I don’t believe START is any danger of failing. I do believe the Russians are having a good laugh at how stupid the GOP is.

100 Gus  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:02:15pm

re: #98 bratwurst

So is it safe to assume you will be blaming the left when you get stuck with her as your nominee in about 18 months?

I wouldn’t be surprised. That what they said about John McCain. They claimed that the MSM made McCain the candidate for the GOP.

101 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:03:15pm

re: #97 wozzablog

Other countries go into negotiations with the President seeing that the legislature will not always ratify them for partisan motives. The other countries enter negotiations with a lower opinion of how well the US can follow through.

Simples.

The record of US Treaties and negotiations goes back a long way and will gio on long after this Obama/START episode.

So far, treaties signed by Obama have been well received. START is more visible and that’s why the GOP is stamping their feet.

102 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:04:27pm

re: #95 WindUpBird

if I had to listen to 20 minutes of a jackhammer, or TV snow, or maybe that looping emergency broadcast alert thing, in order to avoid listening to a 20 minute Palin speech, I would totally pick the former

I’d turn off the TV.
/

103 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:05:15pm

re: #93 WindUpBird

I don’t really find her funny, her voice is one of the most unpleasant things I’ve ever heard, the squeaky folksy I’m-just-a-rube-like-you cadence makes me wince. But I find the fact that there’s a significant portion of this country that wants to see her as president to be hysterical

Can you imagine Fran Drescher as a candidate?

104 blueraven  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:07:02pm

re: #92 researchok

Yes, I have said the same thing previously.

Now, please explain- how does not signing this latest treaty negate all the other treaties.

Further, what does this have to do with negotiating other treaties?

Oh jeez, nevermind. If you dont see how this could be harmful to future treaty negotiations, I cant explain.

Suffice to say its never really been held up to politics like this before. It has been about what is in our national interest.

105 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:07:06pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

I find Sarah Palin infinitely hilarious, and I find a certain amount of vindictive enjoyment in watching this woman I was told was supposed to be a rockstar turn into this mess.

Does that count as obsession?

Oh, go ahead, go ahead - tell me “I told you so! - neener neener!”.
*sigh*
I’ll deal with it.

106 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:07:45pm

re: #101 researchok

The record of US Treaties and negotiations goes back a long way and will gio on long after this Obama/START episode.

So far, treaties signed by Obama have been well received. START is more visible and that’s why the GOP is stamping their feet.

The present GOP has difficulties with more than just this treaty. The key points in the Treaty of Tripoli are completely anathema to them as well.

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:08:35pm

re: #105 reine.de.tout

Oh, go ahead, go ahead - tell me “I told you so! - neener neener!”.
*sigh*
I’ll deal with it.

Naah, no point my being a jerk about it.

//

108 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:08:45pm

re: #95 WindUpBird

if I had to listen to 20 minutes of a jackhammer, or TV snow, or maybe that looping emergency broadcast alert thing, in order to avoid listening to a 20 minute Palin speech, I would totally pick the former

liberal obsession…………….. ////

109 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:09:21pm

re: #105 reine.de.tout

Oh, go ahead, go ahead - tell me “I told you so! - neener neener!”.
*sigh*
I’ll deal with it.

If it makes you feel better, I won’t.
Seeing as how I don’t like a major political party destroying itself.
That isn’t good for the republic.
:/

110 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:10:18pm

re: #109 Varek Raith

If it makes you feel better, I won’t.
Seeing as how I don’t like a major political party destroying itself.
That isn’t good for the republic.
:/

yeah but……yeah but……….yeah but…………. tea party……..ashes……..phoenix……100 year minority……

112 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:11:20pm

re: #104 blueraven

Oh jeez, nevermind. If you dont see how this could be harmful to future treaty negotiations, I cant explain.

Suffice to say its never really been held up to politics like this before. It has been about what is in our national interest.

Please explain.

There have been delays to START before and the world didn’t come to an end.

As I repeatedly said, I do agree that START ought to be signed now. I also believe that not signing now will also cause the GOP all kinds of grief down the road.

113 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:12:25pm

re: #111 Varek Raith

U.S., South Korea have begun navy exercises that North Korea calls provocative, a South Korea military source says.

Now that scares the shit out me.

Lots layers.

114 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:13:06pm

re: #113 researchok

Now that scares the shit out me.

Lots layers.

Indeed.
All eyes should be on the Koreas.
I got a bad feeling about this.

115 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:14:55pm

re: #106 wozzablog

The present GOP has difficulties with more than just this treaty. The key points in the Treaty of Tripoli are completely anathema to them as well.

Yes.

All in the name of political theater.

I will say this: If the GOP doesn’t clean up it’s act now, they’ll lose the next election. Obama will sail through- and I won’t object one bit.

At that point, the GOP will have to reinvent themselves, much as the Dems did in the 70’s.

116 blueraven  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:15:04pm

re: #112 researchok

Please explain.

There have been delays to START before and the world didn’t come to an end.

As I repeatedly said, I do agree that START ought to be signed now. I also believe that not signing now will also cause the GOP all kinds of grief down the road.

It called negotiating in good faith. That is the concept that if destroyed through petty politics, will be very difficult to regain.

117 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:18:39pm

re: #114 Varek Raith

Indeed.
All eyes should be on the Koreas.
I got a bad feeling about this.

Yeah, me too.

Big time.

No one will say it, but every time we ask the Chinese to intervene, they want to extract something from us. Further, there is the racial aspect here. For the Russians, the Chinese and even the NK’s there is that subtle undertone.

Personally, I’d like to see Obama kick ass, for a whole lot of reasons.

Silence only prolongs the status quo.

118 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:19:20pm

re: #115 researchok

Yes.

All in the name of political theater.

I will say this: If the GOP doesn’t clean up it’s act now, they’ll lose the next election. Obama will sail through- and I won’t object one bit.

At that point, the GOP will have to reinvent themselves, much as the Dems did in the 70’s.

there don’t seem to be many adults left in the GOP power structure - if they are they are so far underground as to be inconsequential.

The level of purgeing that happened in the GOP from the bottom to the top from councilmen to senate leaves no indications that grownups will be back at any point soon.

No grown up political party messes up by appointing someone like O’Donnell who is so far out of touch with her constituency in a year you should be winning back the senate.

119 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:19:49pm

re: #116 blueraven

It called negotiating in good faith. That is the concept that if destroyed through petty politics, will be very difficult to regain.

On that I agree.

We are becoming as petty as these failed nations, oppressive regimes.

It is outrageous.

120 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:21:34pm

re: #118 wozzablog

there don’t seem to be many adults left in the GOP power structure - if they are they are so far underground as to be inconsequential.

The level of purgeing that happened in the GOP from the bottom to the top from councilmen to senate leaves no indications that grownups will be back at any point soon.

No grown up political party messes up by appointing someone like O’Donnell who is so far out of touch with her constituency in a year you should be winning back the senate.

That’s right on the money.

That’s why I said the GOP will have to reinvent themselves and cut off the ties to the failed past.

The Dems did it successfully and the GOP will have to do the same.

No question about it.

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:22:44pm

Over at the Stalker blog’s stalker sub=blog, they’re describing Somalia as a ‘rival civilization’. Well, I think they mean Islam, but from the context, it’s quite hard to be sure.

If Somalia is a rival, we’re in worse shape than I thought.

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

122 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:23:20pm

re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist

Over at the Stalker blog’s stalker sub=blog, they’re describing Somalia as a ‘rival civilization’. Well, I think they mean Islam, but from the context, it’s quite hard to be sure.

If Somalia is a rival, we’re in worse shape than I thought.

///

They meant in the Free Market sense.
///

123 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:24:14pm

re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist

Over at the Stalker blog’s stalker sub=blog, they’re describing Somalia as a ‘rival civilization’. Well, I think they mean Islam, but from the context, it’s quite hard to be sure.

If Somalia is a rival, we’re in worse shape than I thought.

///

Like living inside a Salvador Dali painting.

124 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:24:29pm

re: #122 Varek Raith

They meant in the Free Market sense.
///

LOLOL

125 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:25:41pm

re: #120 researchok

That’s right on the money.

That’s why I said the GOP will have to reinvent themselves and cut off the ties to the failed past.

The Dems did it successfully and the GOP will have to do the same.

No question about it.

The most recent Democratic revolution that got back the senate was kickstarted by Howard Dean implementing a 50 state stratergy at the DNC and picking candidates like Heath Schuler who were more conservative than modern urban democrats - but who were not total package enough for the GOP.

The GOP needs to select candidates who are anti-gun/pro-choice/pro-immigration and in some places pro-healthcare. Its the only way they can remain a relevant national party.

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:26:09pm

Ah, what the hell, they’re not helping me on NANOWRIMO’s site, I’m gonna ask you guys.

OK. Here’s the deal, people. Setting: England, around 1200. Kidnap victim is home. She saw who really killed the guy, and it wasn’t her dad, who is in jail for the murder. Dad CONFESSED to the murder because the real bad guys have something big on him, namely that he is no longer legally a Jew, having converted in fear of his life ten years back. Bad guys are still out there. The law enforcement of medieval England, such as it was, is in hot pursuit of them. I need to neutralize them so they cannot ruin Dad’s life.

Possibilities:

1. Just let them get killed somehow.

2. Have the old priest who did the baptism under fear of his life pop up and say the baptism was invalid…I have a character who could step into this role happily.

3. IDEAS?

Nothing wildly satisfying is springing to mind, and I gotta get somewhere with this, because the long scene where Dad confesses all to my MC is winding down.

I’m also considering having my MC catch up to them before the law does and help them get out of England to protect her cousin from their revelations, then having the boat sink.

127 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:27:07pm

re: #125 wozzablog

That fact is going to tear the GOP asunder! Or, at least befuddle them for awhile.

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:27:57pm

re: #122 Varek Raith

They meant in the Free Market sense.
///

There’s a delicious Paul Lawrence Dunbar poem written in the voice of a slave preacher in the 19th century, who talks about Moses, and the Exodus, and all its miracles, but keeps reassuring that he’s only talking about freedom in the Biblical sense.

129 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:30:45pm

re: #125 wozzablog

The most recent Democratic revolution that got back the senate was kickstarted by Howard Dean implementing a 50 state stratergy at the DNC and picking candidates like Heath Schuler who were more conservative than modern urban democrats - but who were not total package enough for the GOP.

The GOP needs to select candidates who are anti-gun/pro-choice/pro-immigration and in some places pro-healthcare. Its the only way they can remain a relevant national party.

Right- and there is the Blue Dog contingent. Fiscal responsibility will be the watchword for the foreseeable future (can you say Social Security and medicare reform?).

I was referring the huge shift in the 70’s when the Dems cleaned house, got rid of the ‘Ole south’ and started with a clean slate, without the likes of George Wallace, Bull Connor, et al.

GOP has got to do the same.

130 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:30:56pm

re: #127 prairiefire

That fact is going to tear the GOP asunder! Or, at least befuddle them for awhile.

Which is why they lose from here on out.
.

131 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:31:00pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

Ways to die in 1200 England, hmmm. About 200 years too late for a Viking attack at sea:[Link: www.viking.no…]

132 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:32:25pm

re: #129 researchok

Right- and there is the Blue Dog contingent. Fiscal responsibility will be the watchword for the foreseeable future (can you say Social Security and medicare reform?).

I was referring the huge shift in the 70’s when the Dems cleaned house, got rid of the ‘Ole south’ and started with a clean slate, without the likes of George Wallace, Bull Connor, et al.

GOP has got to do the same.

I know - i was just updating it for the young’uns around here………..

(also i’m only in my twenties, lol)

133 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:33:15pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, what the hell, they’re not helping me on NANOWRIMO’s site, I’m gonna ask you guys.

OK. Here’s the deal, people. Setting: England, around 1200. Kidnap victim is home. She saw who really killed the guy, and it wasn’t her dad, who is in jail for the murder. Dad CONFESSED to the murder because the real bad guys have something big on him, namely that he is no longer legally a Jew, having converted in fear of his life ten years back. Bad guys are still out there. The law enforcement of medieval England, such as it was, is in hot pursuit of them. I need to neutralize them so they cannot ruin Dad’s life.

Possibilities:

1. Just let them get killed somehow.

2. Have the old priest who did the baptism under fear of his life pop up and say the baptism was invalid…I have a character who could step into this role happily.

3. IDEAS?

Nothing wildly satisfying is springing to mind, and I gotta get somewhere with this, because the long scene where Dad confesses all to my MC is winding down.

I’m also considering having my MC catch up to them before the law does and help them get out of England to protect her cousin from their revelations, then having the boat sink.

1. Have a deus ex machina like the priest, or another character with royal connections, simply call off the law enforcement.

2. Have said law enforcement catch him and hear the story. At that point, one of said law enforcement abruptly lets him go. Expose either at that point or at the end that the person who let him go experienced exactly the same himself.

3. Have him actually caught and have his life ruined, as a poignant heartbreaker for the main character, or setup for the sequel.

134 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:34:59pm

re: #132 wozzablog

I know - i was just updating it for the young’uns around here…

(also i’m only in my twenties, lol)

Only in your 20’s? Well, you missed some interesting times.

The South shall we say… had a hard time letting go… (insert political insanity here)

135 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:40:52pm

re: #134 researchok

Only in your 20’s? Well, you missed some interesting times.

The South shall we say… had a hard time letting go… (insert political insanity here)

And it still ain’t fixed down there.

Not until the Southern Strategy becomes a thing of the past.

136 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:41:53pm

re: #130 wozzablog

Which is why they lose from here on out.
.

I have to tell you, like Obama.

On defence and national security I’m with him all the way.

My issues with him are fiscal- how he’s going to pay for everything at one shot and not have everything implode is a pipe dream.

For the most part, his healthcare plan is pretty good and would IMO would work if it were phased in.

For example, costs are high at birth/childhood and end of life.

Have healthcare from prenatal till12 and then from say. 60 onwards. This would allow many of the problems to be worked out and managed- and of course, there will be issues that need to be resolved.

Then, every five years, add five years to the age brackets.

That makes the most sense to me. It both fiscally and managerially responsible and addresses a real need.

137 elizajane  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:42:54pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, what the hell, they’re not helping me on NANOWRIMO’s site, I’m gonna ask you guys.

OK. Here’s the deal, people. Setting: England, around 1200. Kidnap victim is home. She saw who really killed the guy, and it wasn’t her dad, who is in jail for the murder. Dad CONFESSED to the murder because the real bad guys have something big on him, namely that he is no longer legally a Jew, having converted in fear of his life ten years back. Bad guys are still out there. The law enforcement of medieval England, such as it was, is in hot pursuit of them. I need to neutralize them so they cannot ruin Dad’s life.

Possibilities:

1. Just let them get killed somehow.

2. Have the old priest who did the baptism under fear of his life pop up and say the baptism was invalid…I have a character who could step into this role happily.

3. IDEAS?

Nothing wildly satisfying is springing to mind, and I gotta get somewhere with this, because the long scene where Dad confesses all to my MC is winding down.

I’m also considering having my MC catch up to them before the law does and help them get out of England to protect her cousin from their revelations, then having the boat sink.

If Dad has confessed, how is being a Jew going to exonerate him?

The priest idea sounds like it would work.

I did NaNoWriMo five years ago! I got a really terrible 95,000-word draft out of it. Still trying to revise it into something publishable.

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:44:18pm

re: #137 elizajane

If Dad has confessed, how is being a Jew going to exonerate him?

The priest idea sounds like it would work.

I did NaNoWriMo five years ago! I got a really terrible 95,000-word draft out of it. Still trying to revise it into something publishable.

We know that he didn’t do it. We know they did. We have a witness. But they can still make Dad’s life very, very difficult if it’s know he’s a convert.

Father Boniface would LOVE to help out—he’s a helpful guy—but I’m not sure he’s what’s needed right now.

139 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:46:35pm

re: #135 wozzablog

And it still ain’t fixed down there.

Not until the Southern Strategy becomes a thing of the past.

I live in the South now.

In some ways, it is better than it’s ever been and in others it has barely changed- at least those are my observations.

The politics are as dirty as ever, only now, IMO, they are more exploitative. The ‘good ole boys’ may no longer be segregated but they are still the ‘good ole boys’.

Here in NC for example, John Edwards isn’t hated- he’s reviled. In the previous election, he couldn’t carry his own county- and downm here, that says a whole lot!

140 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:47:42pm

re: #136 researchok

I have to tell you, like Obama.

On defence and national security I’m with him all the way.

My issues with him are fiscal- how he’s going to pay for everything at one shot and not have everything implode is a pipe dream.

For the most part, his healthcare plan is pretty good and would IMO would work if it were phased in.

For example, costs are high at birth/childhood and end of life.

Have healthcare from prenatal till12 and then from say. 60 onwards. This would allow many of the problems to be worked out and managed- and of course, there will be issues that need to be resolved.

Then, every five years, add five years to the age brackets.

That makes the most sense to me. It both fiscally and managerially responsible and addresses a real need.

The healthcare package as passed is slated to reduce the long term debt and deficit.
Massive changes need to happen to medicare and medicaid though to make things better - cost benefit of treatments and drugs needs much higher consideration, over prescribing, pshysican shopping…..etc etc etc

Legislatively kids are on their parents policies til 27 and then a gap until medicare kicks in…… between those two points its up to the individual to find healthcare with the aid of tax breaks.

141 Amory Blaine  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:48:04pm

Krauthammer has no independent thought. When Heritage tells him to jump he asks how high.

142 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:49:21pm

re: #141 Amory Blaine

Krauthammer has no independent thought. When Heritage tells him to jump he asks how high.

shilling in the name of……….(cue the phat guitar chords…….)

143 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:51:40pm

re: #139 researchok

I live in the South now.

In some ways, it is better than it’s ever been and in others it has barely changed- at least those are my observations.

The politics are as dirty as ever, only now, IMO, they are more exploitative. The ‘good ole boys’ may no longer be segregated but they are still the ‘good ole boys’.

Here in NC for example, John Edwards isn’t hated- he’s reviled. In the previous election, he couldn’t carry his own county- and downm here, that says a whole lot!

I live an ocean away and by golly i loathe John Edwards - i quite liked his run for president, but when everything came out about his running around while Elizabeth was recovering he became dead to me.

144 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:54:30pm

re: #140 wozzablog

The healthcare package as passed is slated to reduce the long term debt and deficit.
Massive changes need to happen to medicare and medicaid though to make things better - cost benefit of treatments and drugs needs much higher consideration, over prescribing, pshysican shopping…etc etc etc

Legislatively kids are on their parents policies til 27 and then a gap until medicare kicks in… between those two points its up to the individual to find healthcare with the aid of tax breaks.

IMO, it’s too much too soon.

Also, physician reimbursements do need to go up, but that will only add to costs.

Although my work is outside the insurance schema (I do private research only) I have sympathies for a lot of my colleagues. Some MD’s I know are no longer accepting medicare patients and swear they will opt out of any system that will impact their income.

American MD’s are different from their European counterparts (my dad is a psychiatrist in the UK). Here, doctors are top income earners. In the UK, even with opt out MD’s are more ‘middle class’ (albeit somewhat higher earners nowadays.

No one talks about the necessary cultural shift that accompanies the kinds of changes Obama is proposing- the politics precludes it.

Ah, the world we live in.

145 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:57:12pm

re: #144 researchok

Perhaps you see it as too much, too soon, from your conservative perspective. It seemed many conservative commentators were saying before the election, “just make it stop!”

146 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:57:33pm

re: #143 wozzablog

I live an ocean away and by golly i loathe John Edwards - i quite liked his run for president, but when everything came out about his running around while Elizabeth was recovering he became dead to me.

That was the least of it!

Here, he blamed for rising health care costs because he went into state court, deliberately lied about MD’s being responsible for Cerebral Palsy and created a whole lawsuit industry.

Then there are the real estate deals (oh, dirty dealin’!) and in his new house in Chapel Hill, the help had to use the back entrance.

Oh, there are stories…lol

147 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:00:18pm

re: #145 prairiefire

Perhaps you see it as too much, too soon, from your conservative perspective. It seemed many conservative commentators were saying before the election, “just make it stop!”

Not all. I like the idea of healthcare reform if for no other reason it is necessary.

My issues are purely fiscal. There is no way we can pay for all this and not get burned.

That’s why there are so many waivers being issued and that in the next election will be the biggest albatross the Dems will have to carry.

See my 136.

148 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:02:19pm

re: #144 researchok

IMO, it’s too much too soon.

Also, physician reimbursements do need to go up, but that will only add to costs.

Although my work is outside the insurance schema (I do private research only) I have sympathies for a lot of my colleagues. Some MD’s I know are no longer accepting medicare patients and swear they will opt out of any system that will impact their income.

American MD’s are different from their European counterparts (my dad is a psychiatrist in the UK). Here, doctors are top income earners. In the UK, even with opt out MD’s are more ‘middle class’ (albeit somewhat higher earners nowadays.

No one talks about the necessary cultural shift that accompanies the kinds of changes Obama is proposing- the politics precludes it.

Ah, the world we live in.

I don’t know - in the UK more often than not being a doctor is a labour of love - a true vocation. What we see here of your system is doctors going into it for the money - anathema here.

Obama may be guilty of expecting too much of people who have pledged to help other people but are honestly thinking of their own bottom line and the wad of cash in their pocket.

149 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:03:30pm

re: #146 researchok

I don’t doubt it.

150 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:03:44pm

re: #147 researchok

My issues are purely fiscal. There is no way we can pay for all this and not get burned.

Pay for all what?

151 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:03:59pm

re: #145 prairiefire

Perhaps you see it as too much, too soon, from your conservative perspective. It seemed many conservative commentators were saying before the election, “just make it stop!”

By the way, I’m less conservative than I am a right leaning centrist. (yeah, I’m also pro gay marriage). There is a difference.

For me, economics and national security are my main and equal concerns.

Second in foreign policy. I think Obama has done OK, on that, but again, he’s had to face issues we don’t talk about.

All in all, he’s pretty stand up.

152 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:06:32pm

Oh man, I miss my wife when she’s away. Nothing feels right.

Going to bed early.

153 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:08:44pm

re: #152 Obdicut

Ain’t No Sunshine” by Bill Withers:

Youtube Video
154 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:10:20pm

re: #148 wozzablog

I don’t know - in the UK more often than not being a doctor is a labour of love - a true vocation. What we see here of your system is doctors going into it for the money - anathema here.

Obama may be guilty of expecting too much of people who have pledged to help other people but are honestly thinking of their own bottom line and the wad of cash in their pocket.

EXACTLY.

Medicine as practiced here is very different than at home.

On the other hand, UK hospitals are shall we say, places that often bring back 19th images and memories ( I loved the story about how in keeping ER response times down, patients were kept in ambulances for hours because the clock didn’t start ticking till they came through the doors! God bless British ingenuity!)

I do know first hand that save for a few showpiece institutions, mental health care facilities are far ess than up to date.

The problem is money. At some point, the Brits will have to prioritize. We can’t fund everything. I don’t have to tell you what we are paying for.

155 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:12:44pm

re: #150 Obdicut

Pay for all what?

Health care.

I want to see the programs phased in.

See my 136.

And if wife is gone, get a pizza delivered. Comfort food, you know?

156 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:15:48pm

re: #154 researchok

EXACTLY.

Medicine as practiced here is very different than at home.

On the other hand, UK hospitals are shall we say, places that often bring back 19th images and memories ( I loved the story about how in keeping ER response times down, patients were kept in ambulances for hours because the clock didn’t start ticking till they came through the doors! God bless British ingenuity!)

I do know first hand that save for a few showpiece institutions, mental health care facilities are far ess than up to date.

The problem is money. At some point, the Brits will have to prioritize. We can’t fund everything. I don’t have to tell you what we are paying for.


The brits have already prioritised - many many time over spending reviews have occurred and particularly (unfortunately for me) mental health has been bottom of the list of priorities.

In the UK everyone has access to a base level of care a general practitioner, optician (subsidised), dentist (subsidised), ER, consultants and everything else under the sun - but they are seen on the basis of need.
The system is already rationed and patients are already internally tiered as to level of care needed/urgency.

Very very very few of us would change our system to an entirely private model.

The vast majority of stories about people waiting in ambulances were vastly overblown.

157 Amory Blaine  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:16:15pm

At what point will it be cheaper for families to have one member become doctors for their needs than it will be to go to a doctor. Not long I recon.

158 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:20:40pm

re: #156 wozzablog

The brits have already prioritised - many many time over spending reviews have occurred and particularly (unfortunately for me) mental health has been bottom of the list of priorities.

In the UK everyone has access to a base level of care a general practitioner, optician (subsidised), dentist (subsidised), ER, consultants and everything else under the sun - but they are seen on the basis of need.
The system is already rationed and patients are already internally tiered as to level of care needed/urgency.

Very very very few of us would change our system to an entirely private model.

The vast majority of stories about people waiting in ambulances were vastly overblown.

I don’t know what the optimal system might look like- although an updated and hybridized public/private system may work.

That said, I do know more could be spent on medicine but only of a few ‘third rail’ rail issues are addressed. Certainly the ‘dole’ is a lot larger than it ought to be. How to address that is another issue.

Education too must be addressed (notice the tiptoeing here).

159 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:25:02pm

re: #158 researchok

I don’t know what the optimal system might look like- although an updated and hybridized public/private system may work.

That said, I do know more could be spent on medicine but only of a few ‘third rail’ rail issues are addressed. Certainly the ‘dole’ is a lot larger than it ought to be. How to address that is another issue.

Education too must be addressed (notice the tiptoeing here).

Unemployment payments here are already less generous than most places in the western world - the US excluded.

Education - doesn’t have too many structural problems, other than continual top down change. One lot of changes is fully implemented until the next fad comes along. All that being said - out test scores are comparable to most western world economies of our size.

Masses of investment into the NHS went into paying private companies to manage and build hospitals that were then leased back to the sate. Massive massive waste all because the New Labour government didn’t want to be seen as too left wing and so decided to prop up massive giveaways to private firms.

160 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:27:25pm

Too much to answer now, but overall IMO, the status quo is not acceptable.

We’ve slipped- and that doesn’t bode well for our future.

161 researchok  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:29:39pm

Back

162 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:30:10pm

re: #160 researchok

Too much to answer now, but overall IMO, the status quo is not acceptable.

We’ve slipped- and that doesn’t bode well for our future.

The UK and the US will at somepoint meet in the middle you will come left on public services and we will go right. What sort of system emerges is anyones guess.

Anyhews.

G’night.

163 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 7:26:56pm
Of all the conservative pundits, he was frequently one of the most rational, back in the day,

Krauthammer, rational? What has changed is Charles’ perspective. Krauthammer has been off the deep end for well over a decade.

164 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 8:01:24pm

re: #163 Talking Point Detective

Any conservative who doesn’t toe the “intelligent design” line — and is willing to call it BS — qualifies as one of the most rational. Non-creationist conservatives are almost as rare as the dodo bird. (In other words, extinct.)

Krauthammer also was against Sarah Palin from the beginning.

My point is that there are signs of independent thought there.

165 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 8:24:14pm

re: #164 Charles

Granted, he may not toe the party line on every issue, and sure, he’s able to at least build a reasonably intelligent argument, as opposed to the blatant demagoguery of Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, et. al. - but he’s been a “lib” basher from way back.

He was against Palin because he thought it was a questionable political move due to her thin resume (he said it negated McCain’s best weapon against Obama), but he praised her as an “admirable and formidable woman” and spoke of her ability to “energize” the base while appealing to opponents.

Apparently, to Krauthammer, associating Obama with terrorists was just a fine way for the GOP to appeal to their base - he just wanted someone with a longer resume to be throwing out the red meat.

166 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 8:37:46pm

Krauthammer, on Fox News explaining that charges of racism in the Tea Party is a sign of desperation by people who know they are losing the debate; dealing from the bottom of the deck,and the “last refuge of the liberal scoundrel.”

[Link: www.breitbart.tv…]

167 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 8:54:31pm

Here’s an example of Krauthammer’s ODS from March of 2008 - after Obama’s “speech on race.”

Youtube Video

He was among the first to be infected with ODS.

168 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 9:05:59pm

How ironic:

At 3:54, with reference to Sarah Palin, Krauthammer says “Look at us, we’re talking about nothing else.”

Youtube Video

On a Fox News panel right after Palin resigned as governor.

He’s a first class fraud.

169 DrDee  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:08:12pm

It’s the way you say it. Let’s just go to the meat, ” … only 43% of voters believe Obama deserves a second term.” The intent of the message is to show that President Obama is undeserving of a second term because just over 40% of those polled felt that way. Did you see that? Let me run that past you again, “just over 40%.” See how neatly I cut the number, making it impossible to know if “just over” 40 percent is 40.01% or 45%; by the same token, a liberal interpretation of that same poll could go several ways also. Seeing that 43% of those polled thought the President Obama did not deserve a second term, then simple math tells us that 57% thinks he does, a 13 point difference. Right? Maybe. Using one number does not tell us much. Using the same number from a different perspective could have a liberal spin if the poll had multiple degrees such as ‘not sure,’ ‘strongly believe,’ etc. The reader has no idea of what the poll covered and that is the writer’s intent, depending which side of the aisle writes the check. Yes, Virginia, they are biased, bought and paid for and that is why they call it the corporate media.

170 Radical Rafe  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:04:21pm
But I predict that when she does, Krauthammer’s going to jump right on board and sing her praises like every other right wing pundit.

How does one offer a wager on the Internet?

I don’t think Krauthammer is that crass. He’d know how two-faced that would either make him look or reveal him to be, neither of which do I think he’d let happen. I haven’t seen that he’s a GOP spokeshole on the level of Hannity, etc. and I predict he’d recuse himself from any appearance where he’d be either implicitly or explicitly expected to “sing her praises”. He might talk about how she’d be preferable to the other guy in the general election (assuming that other guy is Obama) but during the GOP primaries I expect him to come down quite hard on Palin. Which, of course, is fine by me.

171 jea62  Mon, Nov 29, 2010 5:00:05am

Liberals are ABSOLUTELY obsessed with Palin - read dailykos lately? She is far better than Bush at generating the derangement from the left.


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