Sen. Lugar and the Tea Party

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Republican Senator Richard Lugar will probably be one of the last relatively sane GOP politicians thrown under the bus by the Tea Party wackos — they’ve already purged most of the non-crazies: Senator Lugar Charts His Course Against the Winds.

Mr. Lugar’s willingness to buck his party is leading to talk that he will face a primary challenge from a Tea Party candidate when he runs for re-election in 2012. It is a possibility that Mr. Lugar, who said the current environment in Washington was “disappointing” and “without a doubt” the most polarized he had seen since joining the Senate in 1977, understands clearly even as he declines to modify his positions. …

Even after the midterm rout that will remove many long-serving members from Congress, the idea that Mr. Lugar would be vulnerable to a primary challenge is a chilling notion to many Republicans, a symbol of symbolism gone too far.

“If Dick Lugar,” said John C. Danforth, a former Republican senator from Missouri, “having served five terms in the U.S. Senate and being the most respected person in the Senate and the leading authority on foreign policy, is seriously challenged by anybody in the Republican Party, we have gone so far overboard that we are beyond redemption.”

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33 comments
1 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:19:12am

I’m glad some of them are finally speaking up, better late than never. Though, it’s too late. The GOP needs to burn down it’s Big Tent and start anew.

2 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:20:28am

OMG! Moderation!

Mr. Lugar’s recent breaks with his party have stirred the attention of Indiana Tea Party groups, who have him in their sights. “Senator Lugar has been an upstanding citizen representing us in D. C.,” said Diane Hubbard, a spokeswoman for the Indianapolis Tea Party. “But over the years, he has become more moderate in his voting.”

Removing him “will be a difficult challenge,” Ms. Hubbard conceded. “But we do believe it’s doable, and we think the climate is right for it and we believe it is a must.”

3 jaunte  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:20:33am
Mr. Lugar’s recent breaks with his party have stirred the attention of Indiana Tea Party groups, who have him in their sights. “Senator Lugar has been an upstanding citizen representing us in D. C.,” said Diane Hubbard, a spokeswoman for the Indianapolis Tea Party. “But over the years, he has become more moderate in his voting.”


Moderation is now a sin.

4 Merryweather  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:20:34am
“If Dick Lugar,” said John C. Danforth, a former Republican senator from Missouri, “having served five terms in the U.S. Senate and being the most respected person in the Senate and the leading authority on foreign policy, is seriously challenged by anybody in the Republican Party, we have gone so far overboard that we are beyond redemption.”

What he said, but again it only seems to be former Republican office holders that are clear-sighted. It won’t make any difference at all until a current Republican starts calling the GOP out.

5 HoosierHoops  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:27:21am

Luger is respected and loved in Indiana.. He will be reelected.. ( I hope)

6 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:27:59am

re: #4 Merryweather

Look what happened to Rove. Even though is is speaking up again a little.

IMO a party collapse or fundamental reformation takes time. Time to happen, and time to see if it sticks. We are only halfway through that cycle. 2012 results will tell the real story. Given even modest improvement of the economy, populist anger will dissipate.

7 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:28:27am

Lugar is someone who you can respect without agreeing on significant issues, an intellectual, the opposite of Palin.

8 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:32:08am

re: #3 jaunte

Moderation is now a sin.

Of course it is. Moderation is compromising with evil. Evil cannot be compromised with. /

Well done, Sen Lugar. He’s obviously read and understood Burke’s Speech to the Electors of Bristol.

Especially this part.

Certainly, gentlemen, it ought to be the happiness and glory of a representative to live in the strictest union, the closest correspondence, and the most unreserved communication with his constituents. Their wishes ought to have great weight with him; their opinion, high respect; their business, unremitted attention. It is his duty to sacrifice his repose, his pleasures, his satisfactions, to theirs; and above all, ever, and in all cases, to prefer their interest to his own. But his unbiassed opinion, his mature judgment, his enlightened conscience, he ought not to sacrifice to you, to any man, or to any set of men living. These he does not derive from your pleasure; no, nor from the law and the constitution. They are a trust from Providence, for the abuse of which he is deeply answerable. Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.

9 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:39:57am

I am struck by two glaring facts. They fly in the face of the results in 49 states.

One-It’s nearly impossible to win the Presidency without California.

Two- The Tea Party and the GOP both got their butts kicked very badly in California. The Democrats gained seats in the executive, legislative and judicial.

The LA Times Pundits were talking about how the CA GOP is not just hurt, not just in a coma but in fact DEAD. Talked about how the lack of progressive compromise killed it.

So Sarah is going to win the Primary and take Ca?
ROFL. Win without Ca? Better take about 40 other states too. You can not win on Texas alone.

10 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:43:49am

re: #9 Rightwingconspirator

The horrid economy fueled populist discontent. The GOP, had it been a real alternate platform with some compelling ideas, would have gained more seats in the House and won the Senate. The TeaParty failed.

Unless there’s a serious double dip to the economy 2012 will be a great reckoning.

11 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:51:21am

MSM dimwits sit around and wonder why they keep getting duped by Drudge….
Kurtz wonders if Matt Drudge is “America’s assignment editor?”
They completely miss the fact that Drudge is getting his stories from conspiracy sites like Alex Jones and World Net Daily and the videos were made my libertarian extremist nut jobs. Idiots.

12 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:55:59am

re: #10 BigPapa

The horrid economy fueled populist discontent. The GOP, had it been a real alternate platform with some compelling ideas, would have gained more seats in the House and won the Senate. The TeaParty failed.

Unless there’s a serious double dip to the economy 2012 will be a great reckoning.

There is a bit of a problem. Voters, for some reason, instinctively like a divided government. They really like different parties in the executive and legislative branches. Republicans will probably continue to make gains and eventually take the senate no matter how dangerously crazy they get. They’ll interpret their gains as a sign that their brand of crazy is working.

I think the Republican extremist ideas will keep them out of the White House for quite some time but that means they’ll be in control of the legislative branch until they get their shit together.

13 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:56:00am

re: #11 Killgore Trout

MSM dimwits sit around and wonder why they keep getting duped by Drudge…
Kurtz wonders if Matt Drudge is “America’s assignment editor?”
They completely miss the fact that Drudge is getting his stories from conspiracy sites like Alex Jones and World Net Daily and the videos were made my libertarian extremist nut jobs. Idiots.

It’s amazing to see the influence these conspiracy freaks have on the right wing and the news in general — and nobody seems to notice or care.

14 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 9:57:05am

re: #13 Charles

It’s amazing to see the influence these conspiracy freaks have on the right wing and the news in general — and nobody seems to notice or care.

The MSM is shockingly vapid and completely missing the point.

15 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:06:10am

re: #13 Charles
re: #14 Killgore Trout


Only when ratings coincide with the saner truth of events will they turn around. Given corporate demands for ratings/ad revenue/quarterly performance will that turn around. Fox is all about the partisan right, MSNBC is all about the partisan left, and CNN keeps doing “Balloon Boy” style news. On TV and online.

News bureaus need to be independent. Separate and shielded from the reality show promoting memo to the anchor from corporate PR-. “On tonight’s news, who will step up in Survivor”

I’m not holding my breath. But if the public steps up the cable and broadcasters will adjust accordingly, and fast. As fast as they pick up a Lady Gaga gossip news item.

16 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:20:17am

WikiLeaks under attack, it says, as new leak looms


The site is experiencing a distributed denial of service (DDOS) attack, it said. That’s an effort to make a website unavailable to users, normally by flooding it with requests for data.
17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:23:39am

Guardian has the goods up, it seems.

18 blueraven  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:23:57am

The media needs to stop worrying about looking like they are partisan and tell the damn truth.

19 D. Tomeric  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:24:38am

Well if there’s one good thing that came of this recent round of tea party stupidity it’s that finally my republican grandmother has finally disavowed her party. I’ve been telling her for years that the party of Goldwater exists in name only, and it took hearing her co-workers trashing Lugar and the START treaty for her to finally admit it.

As for wikileaks: I’m surprised it’s a DDOS attack and not a targeted assassination campaign. If the information about to be released is as bad as they’re claiming I highly doubt an untraceable suppression campaign, no matter how high-profile, would really be out of the question.

20 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:25:10am

Der Spiegel cover:

Image: spiegelgoodbig.jpg

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:26:42am

NYT:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

22 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:34:51am
American officials sharply warned Germany in 2007 not to enforce arrest warrants for Central Intelligence Agency officers involved in a bungled operation in which an innocent German citizen with the same name as a suspected militant was mistakenly kidnapped and held for months in Afghanistan. A senior American diplomat told a German official “that our intention was not to threaten Germany, but rather to urge that the German government weigh carefully at every step of the way the implications for relations with the U.S.”
23 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:37:45am

re: #21 Sergey Romanov

NYT:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

All those “revelations” look like pretty mundane stuff to me. There might be some local scandals but most of that stuff looks pretty unimportant to me. Wikileaks’ last document dump was the same thing. Nothing newsworthy, They’re just dumping documents to make trouble.

24 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:39:18am

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Agreed. Just so much hype both from Assange (“rewrite history”) and from the StaDep.

25 RogueOne  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:40:28am

re: #5 HoosierHoops

Luger is respected and loved in Indiana.. He will be reelected.. ( I hope)

easily re-elected.

26 Very Very Urban  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:40:55am

The election of Barack Obama, the rise of the tea party, and the discovery of Andrew Sullivan has really instilled an understanding, admiration, and certain affinity for true conservative beliefs. Living in Texas doesn’t hurt but the contrast between sane conservatives and the Tea Party types has moderated me quite a bit.

27 Amory Blaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:51:30am

“If Dick Lugar,” said John C. Danforth, a former Republican senator from Missouri, “having served five terms in the U.S. Senate and being the most respected person in the Senate and the leading authority on foreign policy, is seriously challenged by anybody in the Republican Party, we have gone so far overboard that we are beyond redemption.”

Welcome to the party Mr. Danforth. However a challenge to Dick Lugar is a symptom.

Your party is already beyond redemption.

28 Lidane  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:53:06am

re: #19 Brew Dad

The right-wing slamming of START is both asinine and blindingly stupid. The so-called “Party of Reagan” is wasting valuable time assailing something he proposed first just to give Obama a political black eye. It’s ridiculous.

29 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 10:58:03am

re: #25 RogueOne

easily re-elected.

Will he need to win the primary first?

30 Very Very Urban  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 11:01:08am

re: #27 Amory Blaine

I wouldn’t say the GOP is beyond redemption but I think the GOP getting creamed in 2012 is corrective they will sorely need after the hubris they are displaying now.

31 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 11:12:51am

For the Tea Party/Right wing folks, there is no moderate.

If you’re anything besides christian, theocratic and vehemently anti-obama, you’re part of the socialist, communist, radical leftist agenda.

32 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 1:01:43pm

william f buckley …. you are missed

33 RogueOne  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:12:55pm

re: #29 prairiefire

Will he need to win the primary first?

Yes but if someone does challenge Lugar they aren’t going to win. Lugar is immensely popular around here, he’s probably the most popular political figure in the state. Indiana likes incumbents, Bayh would have won easily if he had chosen to stick around.


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