Washington Times Loon: US Should Kill Assange

WingnutsDecember 2010 • Views: 27,642

Among the other Wikileaks-related craziness this week, Washington Times columnist/loon Jeffrey Kuhner called for the Obama administration to kill Julian Assange.

Kuhner is one of the most rabid columnists at the Washington Times (and that’s saying plenty). In September we featured another wacky Kuhner column, saying that Obama was “imposing a socialist dictatorship” and should be immediately impeached: Rage Candy for the Teabag Base.

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jamesfirecat Sun, Dec 5, 2010 11:51:24am

Does this idiot really thing Assange already hasn't hand picked a successor in case something happens to him?

Even if you grant him his premise, his conclusion won't solve anything...

jamesfirecat Sun, Dec 5, 2010 11:53:09am

"America is no longer feared or respected."

Boom.

Right there.

The fact that he thinks America needs to be or should be "feared" this is what is wrong with this man's thought process in a nut shell...

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 11:54:56am

Yeah, that would go over well. If we did that we might as well dress up Obama in a general's uniform much like Augusto Pinochet.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 5, 2010 11:55:50am

re: #3 Gus 802

Yeah, that would go over well. If we did that we might as well dress up Obama in a general's uniform much like Augusto Pinochet.

Mysteriously, I suspect that would not please this gentleman either.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 11:55:52am

Charles, thank you for principled stance.

As far as I'm concerned, those calling for his assassination should be dealt with as inciters to murder.

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Dec 5, 2010 11:55:59am

If you have a broken pipe under your bathroom, you don't start at the curb where the water is running into the gutter.

Obdicut Sun, Dec 5, 2010 11:56:48am

That was extra-ranty.

I find this bit hilarious:

Mr. Obama, however, could not be bothered with any of this. For him, foreign policy is a distraction - something to be crammed into his schedule as he seeks to transform America into a multicultural social democracy.

Um. We are a multicultural democracy. I'm not sure what the word 'social' is doing in there, but we're pretty social. I get out a lot.

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Dec 5, 2010 11:57:48am

AArrghhh! PIMF!
"If you want to fix a broken pipe under your bathroom...."

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 11:58:10am

re: #4 SanFranciscoZionist

Mysteriously, I suspect that would not please this gentleman either.

Yeah. No doubt his assassination fantasies also involves a military coup first taking place in the USA installing Generalissimo Sarah Palin. Then the assassination.

Jimmah Sun, Dec 5, 2010 11:58:12am

The Guardian's Alan Rushbriger revealed that a Washington Times journalist actually requested the wikileaks files from him (and was denied) a few days before this outburst:

[Link: twitter.com...]

PhillyPretzel Sun, Dec 5, 2010 11:58:25am

Kuhner is one of the most rabid columnists at the Washington Times. What do you expect from someone who foaming at the mouth?

Bob Dillon Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:00:12pm

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel

AArrghhh! PIMF!
"If you want to fix a broken pipe under your bathroom..."

We got your logic anyway. ;-)

Taqyia2Me Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:00:38pm

re: #10 Jimmah

Now THAT is rich!

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:00:46pm

MM on Kuhner:

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Lidane Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:01:02pm

re: #7 Obdicut

Um. We are a multicultural democracy.

Pfft. There you go again, admitting that we've got more than just straight, white, Christian landowners in this country. Shame on you. Don't you know that talking about those things is hurtful and persecutes the majority?

I'm not sure what the word 'social' is doing in there, but we're pretty social. I get out a lot.

He forgot to add the "-ist" to the word social. Remember -- multiculturalism = socialism, don'tcha know.

jamesfirecat Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:02:11pm

re: #7 Obdicut

That was extra-ranty.

I find this bit hilarious:

Um. We are a multicultural democracy. I'm not sure what the word 'social' is doing in there, but we're pretty social. I get out a lot.

Nazism is bad being, and being a Nazi must be bad.

Therefore, if Socialism is bad, being Social must be bad!

I R a genius!

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:02:17pm

Kuhner: Obama is a "cultural Muslim who is promoting an anti-American" agenda

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:02:22pm

I wonder if Assange has any good dirt on the Moonies (I mean better than we already have)?

jamesfirecat Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:02:45pm

re: #9 Gus 802

Yeah. No doubt his assassination fantasies also involves a military coup first taking place in the USA installing Generalissimo Sarah Palin. Then the assassination.

I believe you mean High Protector of the Faith Sarah Palin infidel...

Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:03:27pm

re: #5 Sergey Romanov

Charles, thank you for principled stance.

As far as I'm concerned, those calling for his assassination should be dealt with as inciters to murder.

eh, it's generally our custom to let people say what they want. but yeah, i'm not proud that i have to call him a fellow citizen.

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:04:12pm

re: #14 Sergey Romanov

MM on Kuhner:

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Let me guess. He also admires Putin and reads Pravda. Kuhner that is.

jamesfirecat Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:04:21pm

re: #20 Aceofwhat?

eh, it's generally our custom to let people say what they want. but yeah, i'm not proud that i have to call him a fellow citizen.

You Australians get all the weird global power players, you've already got Rupert Mudroch and this guy, I'm surprised Soros isn't from there as well....

Obdicut Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:05:11pm

re: #22 jamesfirecat

Ace isn't Australian. He was talking about this reporter dude, I think.

Lidane Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:05:41pm

re: #10 Jimmah

The Guardian's Alan Rushbriger revealed that a Washington Times journalist actually requested the wikileaks files from him (and was denied) a few days before this outburst:

[Link: twitter.com...]

Which, of course, explains the outburst.

For all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over WikiLeaks and Julian Assange, people still want all the gory details so they can jockey for that Pulitzer or some other form of recognition. Hell, Luap Nor was on Fox salivating over the possibility of WL going after the Fed.

jamesfirecat Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:05:48pm

re: #23 Obdicut

Ace isn't Australian. He was talking about this reporter dude, I think.

Oh sorry Pronoun trouble.

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:05:54pm

Yet another shock jock wingnut.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:06:02pm

Select MM headlines:

Wash. Times' Kuhner: "Like many on the progressive left, Mr. Obama is an anti-American political thug"
November 28, 2010 12:00 pm ET

In Wash. Times op-ed, Kuhner smears Soros as an "enemy of democracy and America"
October 29, 2010 7:55 am ET

Wash. Times' Kuhner baselessly smears NYC imam as an "unrepentant militant Muslim"
August 06, 2010 1:03 pm ET

Kuhner's latest anti-Obama tirade: Obama is a "cultural Muslim" who is "betraying the Jews"
July 09, 2010 6:39 am ET

Savage sub Kuhner: Obama "is a dictator," wants to "destroy corporate America and create a green socialist utopia"
June 16, 2010 2:00 pm ET

Kuhner’s latest tirade smears Obama as a Jew-killing dictator wannabe
June 15, 2010 3:29 pm ET

Savage fill-in Kuhner: "I believe that secretly [Obama] wants the Israelis and the Jews to be wiped off the face of the Earth"
June 15, 2010 12:32 pm ET

OK, I'm tired, there's much more.

Obdicut Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:06:45pm

re: #27 Sergey Romanov

Darn liberal media!

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:07:23pm

re: #21 Gus 802

This must be a joke but I'm not getting it. :)

Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:08:30pm

re: #23 Obdicut

Ace isn't Australian. He was talking about this reporter dude, I think.

Yep. Found out that i have a little Swiss in me, though, in addition to the majority German and minority English. Extended family on my dad's side is having fun on ancestry.com lately.

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:09:03pm

re: #29 Sergey Romanov

This must be a joke but I'm not getting it. :)

Oh. You know how many on the right admire Putin. An assassination sounds like something Putin would support. And Pravda, another wingnut favorite, would feed his secret conspiratorial thoughts.

Obdicut Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:09:05pm

re: #30 Aceofwhat?

Found out that i have a little Swiss in me

What you do in your spare time is no concern of mine.

jamesfirecat Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:09:47pm

re: #29 Sergey Romanov

This must be a joke but I'm not getting it. :)

Putin knows how to "deal" with journalists.

And it doesn't involve tagging them unlike how he deals with tiger's....
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Kronocide Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:10:08pm

What do you expect when all the pundits were saying 'clear and present danger' and 'treason' ad nauseum as soon as this broke?

This is like the mildly racist joke told at the party that is merely the toe in the water: if some laugh and others don't respond with a counter, then it turns up to the blatantly racist joke.

This is the toe in the water.

avanti Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:10:48pm

Meanwhile at the American family association, Democrats are labeled pagans because we don't go nuts about retailers using happy holidays to cover the season from Thanksgiving to New Years instead of Merry Christmas.

"Bottom line: it’s increasingly looking like that while the Republican party wants to be the home of the faith-based community and those who cherish historic American values, the Democrat party wants to be the home of the atheists, agnostics, pagans, and secular fundamentalists. Good luck with that."

I'm somewhat surprised by the critical comments to his rant though.
Pagans.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:11:01pm

re: #31 Gus 802

I didn't notice any love for Putin from the American right, quite the contrary. As for Pravda, do you mean pravda.ru?

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:12:15pm

re: #36 Sergey Romanov

I didn't notice any love for Putin from the American right, quite the contrary. As for Pravda, do you mean pravda.ru?

Yep. They love Pravda for the AGW denialist angle.

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:12:34pm

PFC Bradley Manning is going to be a guest of Uncle Sam for a long time, but what about the various higher-ups who designed a system that allowed an obscure clerk in a combat zone to access sensitive State and Defense department diplomatic cables? How about the idiots who let Manning's classified access stand even after he was convicted of assaulting a fellow soldier and reduced a grade in rank?

If nothing else, this case so far demonstrates the near-complete collapse of accountability in the higher levels of the national security establishment in recent years. During World War2, something like 250 generals were removed from command for cause. In the current war, only two, Janis Karpinski of Abu Ghraib fame and Stanley McChrystal, have been sacked.

Kragar Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:12:41pm

You know, for a fascist, Obama sure doesn't understand the whole "Kill all your enemies deal." Plus, he keeps dragging his feet on stealing all our guns.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:12:48pm

re: #33 jamesfirecat

Well, I didn't see any evidence that the top tier "deals" this way with the journalists (CTs aside). His more wild underlings like Kadyrov may have a hand in it, of course.

Obdicut Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:12:50pm

re: #36 Sergey Romanov

There's actually quite a bit of affection for Putin by some of the more deranged people on the 'right'. He's a strong leader, apparently, who stands up to Muslims. It doesn't make any sense, but there you have it.

Fozzie Bear Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:14:50pm

re: #10 Jimmah

The Guardian's Alan Rushbriger revealed that a Washington Times journalist actually requested the wikileaks files from him (and was denied) a few days before this outburst:

[Link: twitter.com...]

Um... he can't go download it himself? Are his arms and legs broken?

Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:14:51pm

re: #32 Obdicut

What you do in your spare time is no concern of mine.

although it does help explain why i look so good in hose...

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:14:53pm

re: #37 Gus 802

Well, I keep telling people that Pravda.ru is not the Pravda of the commie period, they just have the same name, it's not any kind of an official/state or even respectable publication. So may stick with Alex Jones as well.

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:15:07pm

re: #41 Obdicut

There's actually quite a bit of affection for Putin by some of the more deranged people on the 'right'. He's a strong leader, apparently, who stands up to Muslims. It doesn't make any sense, but there you have it.

Yeah. They really fell in love with him when he went shirtless. Call it a man crush I guess. Seriously though they admire Putin's nationalism and saber rattling tendencies.

jamesfirecat Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:15:43pm

re: #41 Obdicut

There's actually quite a bit of affection for Putin by some of the more deranged people on the 'right'. He's a strong leader, apparently, who stands up to Muslims. It doesn't make any sense, but there you have it.

Not to go all Godwin but I'm sure there were Americans who approved of the way that Hitler was standing up to the commies before Pearl Harbor and Germany declaring war on us.....

Sometimes the enemy of our enemy is a f***ing asshole who hates everyone...

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:17:17pm

re: #41 Obdicut

There's actually quite a bit of affection for Putin by some of the more deranged people on the 'right'. He's a strong leader, apparently, who stands up to Muslims. It doesn't make any sense, but there you have it.

Well, when I've seen some on the right (and I don't mean anonymous stalker comments or Pammie) questioning NATO's 1999 campaign and siding with Milosevic because they were against Muslims, for the first time I was even surprised.

Cap'n Magic Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:18:47pm

And now Wikileaks has put out another 'insurance' file, AES-256 encrypted.

Watch the lights dim in DC as the puzzle palace tries to crack this one....

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:20:22pm

Freeper comment:

An ex-KGB Putin, a person who would probably cut my throat and not think twice, a man who was our enemy for how ever long the cold war was on... and I respect him more than my own leader.

Lidane Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:23:27pm

re: #35 avanti

Oh lawd. I guess by his logic, I should have caused a scene in the Apple Store earlier when the techie who was looking at my phone smiled and wished me a happy holiday as I walked out the door.

Also, I'm amazed the AFA hasn't noticed the GOP's Happy Holidays ornament. You'd think that Fischer would want to whine about that.

BishopX Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:23:45pm

Wikileaks has not publicly released all of the 251,000 cables they have. To date they've released about a thousand of them. Currently there are 6, possibly seven, organizations with complete access to the cables. These are WL, Der Spigel, Le Monde, El Pais, The Guardian and the New York Times. The New York Times has spoken to the state dept about them, so presumably the state dept knows which cables wikileaks has. WL asked CNN and the WSJ to sign NDA's with 100,000 dollar penalties for early disclosure, they refused.

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:24:01pm

You can also look here.

Most of the wingnut admiration for Putin stems from the alpha male vs. beta male concept. Hot Air frequently promotes the notion of the superiority of alpha males -- even though Hot Air is effectively run by beta males like Ed Morrissey, RS McCain and Allahpundit.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:24:22pm

re: #49 Gus 802

You know, Putin's regime is a conservative one. I don't mean the American definition which includes the fiscal component. But Russia is now ruled by moderate social conservatives and I don't like it a bit. (The United Russia party does openly call itself a conservative party, BTW). So I get why freeper-level people may like him on a personal level.

BishopX Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:24:59pm

re: #42 Fozzie Bear

re: #51 BishopX

My 51 was supposed to be in response to Fozzie's 42, PIMF.

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:26:03pm

re: #49 Gus 802

Freeper comment:

The wing-nut-o-sphere has pretty well settled on the "Obama is behind wikileaks" meme for now.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:26:29pm

re: #47 Sergey Romanov

Well, when I've seen some on the right (and I don't mean anonymous stalker comments or Pammie) questioning NATO's 1999 campaign and siding with Milosevic because they were against Muslims, for the first time I was even surprised.

It's horrifying. I haven't seen it yet outside the very crazy crazy fringe, but even there, it is deeply disturbing.

jamesfirecat Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:27:02pm

re: #52 Gus 802

You can also look here.

Most of the wingnut admiration for Putin stems from the alpha male vs. beta male concept. Hot Air frequently promotes the notion of the superiority of alpha males -- even though Hot Air is effectively run by beta males like Ed Morrissey, RS McCain and Allahpundit.

You say that like its unheard of to have women support the patriarchy some people are happy to stand in line and be second best, just so long as it gives them solid proof that they're not the pack's omega....

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:27:14pm

re: #53 Sergey Romanov

You know, Putin's regime is a conservative one. I don't mean the American definition which includes the fiscal component. But Russia is now ruled by moderate social conservatives and I don't like it a bit. (The United Russia party does openly call itself a conservative party, BTW). So I get why freeper-level people may like him on a personal level.

I'm sure they also admire the official homophobia and the return of power by the Orthodox Church reminiscent of Czarist days.

Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:27:32pm

re: #52 Gus 802

You can also look here.

Most of the wingnut admiration for Putin stems from the alpha male vs. beta male concept. Hot Air frequently promotes the notion of the superiority of alpha males -- even though Hot Air is effectively run by beta males like Ed Morrissey, RS McCain and Allahpundit.

huh. that's interesting. what do they consider an 'alpha male', i wonder...

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:27:44pm

re: #49 Gus 802

Freeper comment:

TRANSLATION: "I worship power and cruelty, as long as I imagine they are wielded on behalf of white people like myself. I would have adored Hitler. I have no fucking clue why anyone would want to live in a democracy, or give rights to people unlike themselves."

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:29:03pm

re: #59 Aceofwhat?

huh. that's interesting. what do they consider an 'alpha male', i wonder...

Putin, Dirty Harry, Rambo, Reagan, Bush...

Obdicut Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:30:21pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a weird obsession with 'leaders' too. They need to be led. It's kinda unAmerican, to me.

Virginia Plain Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:31:15pm

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

I wonder if Assange has any good dirt on the Moonies (I mean better than we already have)?

Well, before the recent megaleaks about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the cables, Wikileaks hosted secret documents from different cults such as the Church of Scientology and the Church of Latter Day Saints. If I'm not mistaken, there were also some Moonie documents, but I mostly paid attention to the Scientology documents. In fact, I am trying to find the previous documents that Wikileaks had before this year. I can't find them.

Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:31:26pm

re: #61 Gus 802

Putin, Dirty Harry, Rambo, Reagan, Bush...

So...everyone...

Batman Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:31:47pm

re: #46 jamesfirecat

Sometimes the enemy of our enemy is a f***ing asshole who hates everyone...

That's going to be a quote for the ages, with another attribution to that Anonymous guy.

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:32:01pm

re: #57 jamesfirecat

You say that like its unheard of to have women support the patriarchy some people are happy to stand in line and be second best, just so long as it gives them solid proof that they're not the pack's omega...

I don't do the alpha/beta male thing. What I do find funny though is that they're always idolizing some nebulous alpha male ideal while being a bunch of couch potatoes. Or in this case, task chair potatoes.

webevintage Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:32:20pm

re: #38 Shiplord Kirel

PFC Bradley Manning is going to be a guest of Uncle Sam for a long time, but what about the various higher-ups who designed a system that allowed an obscure clerk in a combat zone to access sensitive State and Defense department diplomatic cables? How about the idiots who let Manning's classified access stand even after he was convicted of assaulting a fellow soldier and reduced a grade in rank?

I'm just amazed that there is not a pop up box somewhere on some computer security guy's system that says "some low level dude is downloading thousands of documents, can he proceed?" or am I making assumptions about computer systems and what can be done?

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:33:39pm

re: #64 Aceofwhat?

So...everyone...

They usually don't mention alpha males much. Typically it's framed around a) beta males are bad and b) Obama is a beta male. I think it all started with some stupid book or blog post.

Fozzie Bear Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:33:48pm

Christianity needs to take a lesson from Judaism, and lighten up a little.

Kragar Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:34:19pm

re: #67 webevintage

I'm just amazed that there is not a pop up box somewhere on some computer security guy's system that says "some low level dude is downloading thousands of documents, can he proceed?" or am I making assumptions about computer systems and what can be done?

Yes.

Lidane Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:35:01pm

re: #66 Gus 802

What I do find funny though is that they're always idolizing some nebulous alpha male ideal while being a bunch of couch potatoes. Or in this case, task chair potatoes.

Yep. It's no different than the Rambo/Gen. Patton/Jack Bauer fetish that many of these same douchebags carry around. It's always the armchair generals who want to shed the most blood and be the Big Dog. It's how they overcompensate for their lousy life choices.

jamesfirecat Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:35:22pm

re: #65 nonsense

That's going to be a quote for the ages, with another attribution to that Anonymous guy.

///Hey you all know it was me who said it first! If we can't put it down with my internet name on it then what's the point of saying it?

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:35:50pm

re: #71 Lidane

Yep. It's no different than the Rambo/Gen. Patton/Jack Bauer fetish that many of these same douchebags carry around. It's always the armchair generals who want to shed the most blood and be the Big Dog. It's how they overcompensate for their lousy life choices.

I would have been a Marine!

If I didn't have flat feet.

Obdicut Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:36:24pm

re: #69 Fozzie Bear

Heh. Love it.

To be fair, Hanukkah is a really, really minor Jewish holiday.

The real weirdness, to a lot of Jews, is that Christmas is so commercialized. Religiously observant Jews take their important holidays, like Yom Kippur, are observed very seriously. Nobody commercializes it; it'd get you reviled even by secular Jews.

Kragar Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:36:29pm

re: #73 Gus 802

I would have been a Marine!

If I didn't have flat feet.

//

I do have flat feet, and it doesn't stop you from enlisting.

Batman Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:36:37pm

re: #72 jamesfirecat

///Hey you all know it was me who said it first! If we can't put it down with my internet name on it then what's the point of saying it?

--Anonymous

Fozzie Bear Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:36:51pm

re: #67 webevintage

I'm just amazed that there is not a pop up box somewhere on some computer security guy's system that says "some low level dude is downloading thousands of documents, can he proceed?" or am I making assumptions about computer systems and what can be done?

It is a trivial matter to set up a file server to log access to files, and to flag certain patterns of access as suspicious. Your assumption is totally warranted.

I don't know about other server OS's, but linux is set up by default to track logins, so clearly, to ask the government to carefully track file access is hardly asking for them to take extraordinary measures.

Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:37:10pm

re: #68 Gus 802

They usually don't mention alpha males much. Typically it's framed around a) beta males are bad and b) Obama is a beta male. I think it all started with some stupid book or blog post.

Oh, i gotcha. It's some stupid proof of inadequacy so nebulous that it can't ever be refuted, only asserted. I should have expected as ~~much~~ little...thanks.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:37:33pm

re: #58 Gus 802

I'm sure they also admire the official homophobia and the return of power by the Orthodox Church reminiscent of Czarist days.

Of course. I must say that on the level of words Putin often says very correct things. For example, when asked by a Nashi activist during some meeting if it wouldn't be better to give more power to the Church and to unite the State and the Church because the sects degrade the society (and apparently because it's a fount of good and morality, y'know), Putin was very clear - "democratic values are more important". Of course, words are words, and whatever happens in practice is more important.

Kragar Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:39:01pm

re: #74 Obdicut

8 Questions Gentiles Love Asking About Hanukkah

Well, the menorah is out of storage, my refrigerator is stocked with frozen latkes, and there are dreidels festively strewn across my dining room table. Yep, all of that can mean only one thing: IT'S CHRISTMAS TIME! Well, sure it's Hanukkah too, but I hardly think the contents of my Jewish home mean anything to the world at large. Still, the more observant of you might have noticed sad little Hanukkah displays occupying half a shelf at your local drug store or card shop, while the adjoining aisles explode with an orgasmic offering of candy canes, stockings, and dancing Santas.

And in your curiosity, you might have turned and asked some of the following questions to a neighboring Hebrew. Lord knows I get these ever year, so I thought I'd take care of them all in one shot.

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:39:20pm

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I do have flat feet, and it doesn't stop you from enlisting.

Oh. I just looked. Guess I was wrong all of these years.

OK, I could have been a fighter pilot but I didn't pass the color perception test!

Obdicut Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:39:53pm

re: #78 Aceofwhat?

Even if such things as beta and alpha males actually existed-- of course Obama would be a goddamn Alpha male. He fucking won the race for the president. How much more alpha can you get? He won by saying "I'm the best".

Sheesh.

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:41:57pm

re: #82 Obdicut

Even if such things as beta and alpha males actually existed-- of course Obama would be a goddamn Alpha male. He fucking won the race for the president. How much more alpha can you get? He won by saying "I'm the best".

Sheesh.

It's dumb. I've know strong men with stereotypical beta qualities and docile men with stereotypical alpha qualities.

b_sharp Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:42:02pm

re: #79 Sergey Romanov

Of course. I must say that on the level of words Putin often says very correct things. For example, when asked by a Nashi activist during some meeting if it wouldn't be better to give more power to the Church and to unite the State and the Church because the sects degrade the society (and apparently because it's a fount of good and morality, y'know), Putin was very clear - "democratic values are more important". Of course, words are words, and whatever happens in practice is more important.

A man isn't what he says, he's what he does. Too many people seeking strong confirmation of their bias either ignore that, don't understand it or think only of applying it to the 'others'.

Kragar Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:42:16pm

re: #81 Gus 802

Oh. I just looked. Guess I was wrong all of these years.

OK, I could have been a fighter pilot but I didn't pass the color perception test!

But you could still have been infantry. In fact, color blind people have an advantage in some situations

Color blindness is usually classed as a mild disability, but in certain situations, color blind individuals have an advantage over those with normal color vision. There are some studies which conclude that color blind individuals are better at penetrating certain color camouflages and it has been suggested that this may be the evolutionary explanation for the surprisingly high frequency of congenital red-green color blindness.

Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:42:52pm

re: #77 Fozzie Bear

It is a trivial matter to set up a file server to log access to files, and to flag certain patterns of access as suspicious. Your assumption is totally warranted.

I don't know about other server OS's, but linux is set up by default to track logins, so clearly, to ask the government to carefully track file access is hardly asking for them to take extraordinary measures.

I am not suggesting that they are using a standard ftp server, but by default most ftp servers would log download times/dates/ips.

webevintage Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:43:12pm

re: #77 Fozzie Bear

It is a trivial matter to set up a file server to log access to files, and to flag certain patterns of access as suspicious. Your assumption is totally warranted.

I don't know about other server OS's, but linux is set up by default to track logins, so clearly, to ask the government to carefully track file access is hardly asking for them to take extraordinary measures.

Thanks.
This has been one of the things I have been wondering ever since we found out about Manning.

Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:44:12pm

re: #82 Obdicut

Even if such things as beta and alpha males actually existed-- of course Obama would be a goddamn Alpha male. He fucking won the race for the president. How much more alpha can you get? He won by saying "I'm the best".

Sheesh.

well, that's exactly why we need to keep these definitions under wraps. we couldn't have folks like this elitist figuring out that he meets all of our criteria for an alpha male, except for the part where we dislike him intensely/

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:44:13pm

re: #84 b_sharp

I would apply this mostly to feel-good rhetoric. I a person says, in so many words, "I'm an evil asshole", I'll believe him first. ;-)

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:44:20pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But you could still have been infantry. In fact, color blind people have an advantage in some situations

OK, what's the number on this plate?

Image: Colorblind4.png

Virginia Plain Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:44:56pm

re: #90 Gus 802

Either 44 or 49.

Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:44:57pm

re: #83 Gus 802

It's dumb. I've know strong men with stereotypical beta qualities and docile men with stereotypical alpha qualities.

as long as we're agreed that tennis players are clearly alpha/

Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:45:54pm

re: #84 b_sharp

A man isn't what he says, he's what he does. Too many people seeking strong confirmation of their bias either ignore that, don't understand it or think only of applying it to the 'others'.

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Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:46:00pm

re: #91 Virginia Plain

Either 44 or 49.

I can't see a thing.

Mark Winter Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:46:11pm

I really wish WL had been able to release classified Russian or Chinese files before they released U.S. files. The debate would have been interesting, to say the least.

The person of Assange underwhelms me. Why the U.S. is so keen to make him a martyr is hard to understand.

Imagine some wacko really managed to kill him. The U.S. would face more damage than all these files could achieve.

Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:46:40pm

re: #90 Gus 802

OK, what's the number on this plate?

Image: Colorblind4.png

Note: Because of variations in computer displays, these illustrations must not be used for diagnosis of color-blindness. An inability to see the numbers on a computer display is not necessarily indicative of color blindness. Only official tests administered in person are reliable for diagnosis.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:47:21pm

re: #95 Mark Winter

The probability that he would release anything else would be decreased ;-)

Taqyia2Me Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:47:42pm

re: #94 Gus 802

I can't see a thing.

Me either.

Fozzie Bear Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:47:49pm

re: #86 ozbloke

I am not suggesting that they are using a standard ftp server, but by default most ftp servers would log download times/dates/ips.

Yep. As does Apache by default, as well as OpenSSH. Pretty much every kind of server there is can log access, and most do by default, without having to change anything.

There is absolutely no technical reason why what Manning did shouldn't have immediately thrown up giant red flags.

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Kragar Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:48:12pm

Assumptions of widespread use of linux in the U.S. government are highly misplaced.

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Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:48:28pm

re: #91 Virginia Plain

Either 44 or 49.

It's allegedly 49. ;)

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:49:12pm

re: #96 Gus 802

Probably 49 (the second numeral kinda curves at the top on the left). The second version is 44.

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Kragar Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:49:18pm

re: #94 Gus 802

I can't see a thing.

Comes in more handy when in a forest environment and you can clearly see the guys in green/brown cammies trying to sneak into position.

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Fozzie Bear Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:49:46pm

re: #100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Assumptions of widespread use of linux in the U.S. government are highly misplaced.

Isn't windows server, even versions as old as NT server, at least capable of basic logging abilities too? I don't have a clue personally, but I imagine it is. I would be rather amazed if it weren't.

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theheat Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:49:54pm

This many years after Iraq and Afghanistan, armchair quarterbacking about who needs to be killed next has lost its luster, I'm afraid. I can still get excited about blasting a bunch of really bad guys to oblivion, but these calls to jump off the couch and start blastin' any ole person of inconvenience has become old. More than that, it gets old when that becomes the acid test of a POTUS' mettle, whether they're willing to kill any ole body at the drop of a hat. Too "Off with their head!" / Alice in Wonderland for me.

Tired of it. Tired of the chest out, fist in the air, dumb as a piece of fucking wood approach to everything.

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b_sharp Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:50:52pm

re: #101 Gus 802

It's allegedly 49. ;)

I saw it as 49. The second digit is slightly narrower than the first.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:50:59pm

re: #100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Assumptions of widespread use of linux in the U.S. government are highly misplaced.

yeah, but you can log access and downloads in the old IBM databases, too. i'm no programmer but i've spent more than a little time mucking around in those old things looking for data.

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b_sharp Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:51:32pm

re: #104 Fozzie Bear

Isn't windows server, even versions as old as NT server, at least capable of basic logging abilities too? I don't have a clue personally, but I imagine it is. I would be rather amazed if it weren't.

Yes they are.

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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:51:58pm

re: #100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Assumptions of widespread use of linux in the U.S. government are highly misplaced.

Please, please don't tell me they use windows.

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Kragar Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:52:09pm

Take every movie you've seen about high tech computers in the government or military, special operating systems, special database programs and security systems.

Now throw out 99.9% of them and replace it with Windows with a few open market third party security options.

You're now a lot closer to how the computer network actually looks.

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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:52:13pm

re: #104 Fozzie Bear

Isn't windows server, even versions as old as NT server, at least capable of basic logging abilities too? I don't have a clue personally, but I imagine it is. I would be rather amazed if it weren't.

It's best to use EFS encryption on a server with sensitive data.. Doesn't matter how you try to steal it...But this is the Government we are talking about.

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Amory Blaine Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:52:22pm

Is this still America? Whats next, bread lines and gulags?

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Virginia Plain Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:52:29pm

re: #101 Gus 802

It's allegedly 49. ;)

Yeah, I'm going to go with that.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:52:31pm

re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Take every movie you've seen about high tech computers in the government or military, special operating systems, special database programs and security systems.

Now throw out 99.9% of them and replace it with Windows with a few open market third party security options.

You're now a lot closer to how the computer network actually looks.

dammit

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Mark Winter Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:52:33pm

re: #97 Sergey Romanov

Could be. WL would revert to anonymity, which would be safer for everyone.

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Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:52:54pm

re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Comes in more handy when in a forest environment and you can clearly see the guys in green/brown cammies trying to sneak into position.

Yeah. Anyway, these forms are considered color deficiency as opposed to being full blow color blind. Well, that's what I always thought to myself. Color blind sounds pretty harsh considering I just have a red and green deficiency .

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b_sharp Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:53:03pm

re: #107 Aceofwhat?

yeah, but you can log access and downloads in the old IBM databases, too. i'm no programmer but i've spent more than a little time mucking around in those old things looking for data.

My eyes are going, or my brain is getting mushy. I saw that as mucking around looking for a date. Ain't no wimmins inside a 'puter.

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Kronocide Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:54:15pm

re: #105 theheat

Tired of it. Tired of the chest out, fist in the air, dumb as a piece of fucking wood approach to everything.

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!

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Kragar Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:54:17pm

re: #107 Aceofwhat?

yeah, but you can log access and downloads in the old IBM databases, too. i'm no programmer but i've spent more than a little time mucking around in those old things looking for data.

Logs are a great thing if you 1) know what to look for and 2) have someone actively going thru the logs to do it. Attack threshold is another issue. Some security measure are only set to go off if a certain activity hits so many hits per cycle. If you know what you're doing and keep below the threshold, you'll never hit the alarms.

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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:55:20pm

This story even has the mention of the word Lion, I wonder what the Inn was really called?

Pub-goers snowed in for eight days

Heavy snow that has swept Britain over the past two weeks has left many people stranded, but some have been luckier than others.

One couple was trapped for eight days inside a pub by a huge snowdrift.

The Lion Inn in North Yorkshire is one of the highest-altitude pubs in England.

The couple and five staff had to stay put until they were rescued by a snowplough.

Britain is struggling to cope with its earliest widespread winter snowfall since 1993, with airports, major train lines and trunk roads all disrupted.

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Fozzie Bear Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:55:51pm

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Logs are a great thing if you 1) know what to look for and 2) have someone actively going thru the logs to do it. Attack threshold is another issue. Some security measure are only set to go off if a certain activity hits so many hits per cycle. If you know what you're doing and keep below the threshold, you'll never hit the alarms.

One would think 200k+ documents being downloaded by a single PFC would throw up some flags. One would think.

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jamesfirecat Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:56:15pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But you could still have been infantry. In fact, color blind people have an advantage in some situations

I thought color blindness was an advantage because it meant you had less overall information to process so that you could deal with what you actually were seeing faster...

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Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:59:49pm

re: #116 Gus 802

Yeah. Anyway, these forms are considered color deficiency as opposed to being full blow color blind. Well, that's what I always thought to myself. Color blind sounds pretty harsh considering I just have a red and green deficiency .

In all likelihood, you are either protanomalous or deuteranomalous, probably the former.

How's about that for big words?

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Kragar Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:59:51pm

re: #121 Fozzie Bear

One would think 200k+ documents being downloaded by a single PFC would throw up some flags. One would think.

Is there any evidence he downloaded them all at once? Another option would be if he had access to any backup devices. A backup of a server is made. The backup could be copied separate from the network and restored to another platform disconnected from the network entirely. That will probably be determined in the investigations.

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Fozzie Bear Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:00:04pm

re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Take every movie you've seen about high tech computers in the government or military, special operating systems, special database programs and security systems.

Now throw out 99.9% of them and replace it with Windows with a few open market third party security options.

You're now a lot closer to how the computer network actually looks.

This is true, but among those open market third party security option must be more than a few programs that are capable of detecting that a PFC downloaded hundreds of thousands of documents, and notifying someone. I mean, even if they are running on Windows 3.1, it's still possible to place limits on access.

All i'm saying is old tech is no excuse for this happening.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:01:00pm

re: #117 b_sharp

My eyes are going, or my brain is getting mushy. I saw that as mucking around looking for a date. Ain't no wimmins inside a 'puter.

i get 27 emails each day contradicting that very statement/

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Fozzie Bear Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:01:04pm

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is there any evidence he downloaded them all at once? Another option would be if he had access to any backup devices. A backup of a server is made. The backup could be copied separate from the network and restored to another platform disconnected from the network entirely. That will probably be determined in the investigations.

Then the question becomes, why did a PFC have access to raw backups?

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Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:02:05pm

re: #123 Aceofwhat?

In all likelihood, you are either protanomalous or deuteranomalous, probably the former.

How's about that for big words?

Yeah. I see color and always stop for red lights and gun it when it turns yellow or green.

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Kronocide Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:03:08pm

Cool thing to make a difference. Run climate prediction experiments on your computer.

I have two computers, my work PC can be left on during the day to run these.

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Kragar Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:03:13pm

re: #125 Fozzie Bear

This is true, but among those open market third party security option must be more than a few programs that are capable of detecting that a PFC downloaded hundreds of thousands of documents, and notifying someone. I mean, even if they are running on Windows 3.1, it's still possible to place limits on access.

All i'm saying is old tech is no excuse for this happening.

If you past an orchard and start taking apples by the basketload, someone is probably going to stop you.

If you walk by the orchard every day and take 1, you're not as likely to be noticed and probably have a lot more than 1 basket in the long run.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:03:24pm

re: #128 Gus 802

Yeah. I see color and always stop for red lights and gun it when it turns yellow or green.

//

nice. yellow means 'speed up' to me, too...

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Gus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:03:25pm

Back later.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:04:50pm

huh. how about them Browns?

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SpaceJesus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:04:59pm

Oh the comments at Fox News are all about this right now. Slasher Assange fanfic central.

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Kragar Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:05:28pm

re: #127 Fozzie Bear

Then the question becomes, why did a PFC have access to raw backups?

Question 1) Was that even how he did it?

Question 2) You think we're going to stick someone high ranking or important baby-sitting something as routine as simple backup management? No, you stick the low man on the job to watch them go at night and he'll call in the senior guys if something goes wrong.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:08:40pm

Something funny. This photo is real:

Image: x_7e77281b.jpg

Russian All-People Stalinist Monarchic Movement

ROSMD

Under Stalin's banner,
Under Lord's control
To overcome the kikeish yoke and
To build socialism again,
But for the glory of our God
Lord Jesus Christ!

This is of course written by a fringe probably mentally ill person, but it's a quintessence of the modern Russian national-patriotism.

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albusteve Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:09:54pm

re: #131 Aceofwhat?

nice. yellow means 'speed up' to me, too...

illegal in some states...NM, I think can ticket you for that....problem is drivers here will actually slam on their brakes at the yellow light....pesky ABQ drivers, very polite but unpredictable

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Obdicut Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:10:04pm

re: #134 SpaceJesus

It's another wingnutlarity. They're demanding Obama kill Assange, while claiming he's responsible for it and criticizing him based on information inside it and for it getting out in the first place.

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BishopX Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:11:25pm

There are currently 837 of the 251,287 documents released so far. Of these 837, 291 are classified as secret, another 400 of which are classified as confidential.

Note that a higher proportion of the released documents are classified as secret (35%) than in the entire 251,287 documents (6%).

Note that WL is releasing the cables in conjunction with media articles about the cables from five newspapers. At least one of which is asking the us government for redactions.

My guess is that this is a face saving thing. The WL gets to stick it to the man while refraining from serious damage, and the US government gets to be very, very clear about how this is wrong while still controlling the damage.

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albusteve Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:12:01pm

re: #138 Obdicut

It's another wingnutlarity. They're demanding Obama kill Assange, while claiming he's responsible for it and criticizing him based on information inside it and for it getting out in the first place.

wingnutlarity?....lame dude
anyway Assange should be hunted down, prosecuted and put away for 40yrs...kinda hard to deny the treason aspect

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Amory Blaine Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:12:43pm

Comment from the WT Article:

This is the American equivalent of issuing a 'fatwah'. Disgusting.

The very idea of some journalist proposing the murder of a citizen instead of a trial for a crime, is outrageous.

Some people are embarrased over Wikileaks, so what?

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Obdicut Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:13:05pm

re: #140 albusteve

Steve, someone who's not American can't commit treason against America. That's not how it works.

How is wingnutlarity lame, exactly?

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Lidane Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:13:22pm

re: #140 albusteve

wingnutlarity?...lame dude
anyway Assange should be hunted down, prosecuted and put away for 40yrs...kinda hard to deny the treason aspect

Except that Assange is Australian, not American. It's very easy to deny the treason aspect when he's not even a citizen of this country.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:13:24pm

re: #140 albusteve

wingnutlarity?...lame dude
anyway Assange should be hunted down, prosecuted and put away for 40yrs...kinda hard to deny the treason aspect

There is no treason aspect. Dude's a foreign national.

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SpaceJesus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:13:56pm

re: #138 Obdicut

I went over there to fuck with them by asking what they would do if Assange's cables also had information on Obama's Kenyan citizenship. Heads exploded in such a way never before seen on the intertubes.

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SpaceJesus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:14:29pm

re: #140 albusteve

what?

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:15:01pm

re: #143 Lidane

What's sad is that comments like this are not that rare. I mean, people calling for him to be charged with treason don't even know what it is - how f'ed up is that.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:16:04pm

re: #145 SpaceJesus

I went over there to fuck with them by asking what they would do if Assange's cables also had information on Obama's Kenyan citizenship. Heads exploded in such a way never before seen on the intertubes.

But did they have an answer for you?

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Yukon Digger Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:16:18pm

We have one of those up here in Canada too.

WikiLeaks founder calls for Flanagan charge

Actually if you Wiki him, he's one of your own who somehow did not serve in the Vietnam War.

I'm just a dumb bushhippy and don't have much to add to this site but I can't thank you enough Charles and crew, for providing sanity in this time of bad craziness.

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albusteve Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:17:04pm

re: #142 Obdicut

Steve, someone who's not American can't commit treason against America. That's not how it works.

How is wingnutlarity lame, exactly?

yeah, I forgot that part (stupid moment)...but I think the feds response to the whole affair has been somewhat weak, I'd like to see the admin be more outspoken....as for the other, I can't pronounce it!

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albusteve Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:17:43pm

re: #146 SpaceJesus

what?

brain fart...my bad

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Amory Blaine Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:18:15pm

Can't wait to see how President Gingrich will deal with issues like this.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:18:32pm

re: #147 Sergey Romanov

(Actually there's been kind of a funny precedent with f'ed up jurisdictions. A lot of Nazi war criminals in Soviet hands got charged under the USSR/RSFSR criminal codes - I have copies of Topf engineers' interrogations (those who constructed Auschwitz ovens and ventilation in gas chambers) and they didn't even set their feet on the USSR territory, their crimes were in Poland and Germany, yet they got tried under the Soviet law. Go figure.)

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Lidane Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:19:16pm

re: #147 Sergey Romanov

What's sad is that comments like this are not that rare. I mean, people calling for him to be charged with treason don't even know what it is - how f'ed up is that.

It's a consequence of right-wing talking points since 9/11. Every bit of dissent and/or disagreement was equated with treason, when treason's got a very specific legal definition and guidelines for it. As a result, you have a lot of idiots and blowhards calling for Assange to be executed for treason when he's not even an American to begin with.

I get the outrage over WikiLeaks, but seriously-- a simple bit of fact checking and a few minutes of reading will tell even the simplest dope that none of this is treason on Assange's part.

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SpaceJesus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:19:39pm

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

a couple dozen different ones ranging from "oh that would be ok" to "shut up commie" to "so long as the troops are ok"

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Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:19:46pm

re: #140 albusteve

wingnutlarity?...lame dude
anyway Assange should be hunted down, prosecuted and put away for 40yrs...kinda hard to deny the treason aspect

he's australian, isn't he?

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Amory Blaine Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:20:29pm

re: #154 Lidane

It's a consequence of right-wing talking points since 9/11. Every bit of dissent and/or disagreement was equated with treason, when treason's got a very specific legal definition and guidelines for it. As a result, you have a lot of idiots and blowhards calling for Assange to be executed for treason when he's not even an American to begin with.

I get the outrage over WikiLeaks, but seriously-- a simple bit of fact checking and a few minutes of reading will tell even the simplest dope that none of this is treason on Assange's part.

Yeah I remember them days. Being called a traitor for not swallowing all the spoon fed lies. Ahhh the good old days.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:20:45pm

re: #142 Obdicut

How is wingnutlarity lame, exactly?

It's not cool unless you wear it with hose.

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SpaceJesus Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:21:20pm

re: #152 Amory Blaine

Watch as gay marriage becomes legal in 2013. Marry Assange, wait for him to get cancer, then divorce him on his deathbed while cheating on him.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:22:55pm

re: #145 SpaceJesus

I went over there to fuck with them by asking what they would do if Assange's cables also had information on Obama's Kenyan citizenship. Heads exploded in such a way never before seen on the intertubes.

i have this terrible suspicion that you'd be a riot to have a few beers with. i say 'terrible' because i have it on good authority that you're the antichrist. so it's a little conflicting.

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Amory Blaine Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:23:07pm

re: #142 Obdicut