Sarah Palin Kills An Animal, TeaBag Leader Urges Her to Run for RNC Chair

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Following the bizarre, bloody episode of her reality show in which she killed and butchered a caribou…

…the founder of Tea Party Nation, Judson Phillips, is urging Sarah Palin to run for chairman of the Republican National Committee.

“In order for the tea party, conservative movement to be successful, we have to have someone conservative running the GOP,” Phillips told POLITICO. “She is the perfect candidate. If she does not try, I am afraid we will end up with just another establishment flunky running the party and the [Republicans in name] will control the party again.”

Judson Phillips’s idea of a “conservative,” by the way, isn’t just someone who hacks animals to pieces in front of a TV camera — Phillips believes only people who own property should be allowed to vote.

The Founding Fathers originally said, they put certain restrictions on who gets the right to vote. It wasn’t you were just a citizen and you got to vote. Some of the restrictions, you know, you obviously would not think about today. But one of those was you had to be a property owner. And that makes a lot of sense, because if you’re a property owner you actually have a vested stake in the community. If you’re not a property owner, you know, I’m sorry but property owners have a little bit more of a vested interest in the community than non-property owners.

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197 comments

_RememberTonyC Mon, Dec 6, 2010 11:57:46am

i think barbara bush had much better advice for palin …

bubba zanetti Mon, Dec 6, 2010 11:59:17am

UNGULATES REFUDIATE

Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:00:20pm

I just watched this a few minutes ago. She misses about a half dozen times. Why do they bother whispering? Since when do caribou run towards gunfire?

Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:00:57pm

Well, its not like she’ll have a problem quitting if things get tough.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:02:21pm

re: #3 Killgore Trout

Yeah, she didn’t bother zeroing the scope, apparently.

There’s a bunch of animals that don’t really get spooked by gunfire, or, if they do, don’t really know what the hell to do and kind of mill around. Caribou might be one of those.

I think she’d make a great RNC chair, for the modern RNC. She’s a good fit for that position. but can she make enough off of it?

engineer cat Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:04:01pm

I am afraid we will end up with just another establishment flunky running the party

“establishment flunky”???

it’s 50 years later, and now the “revolutionaries” are members of Students For A Less Democratic Society

JeffM70 Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:04:08pm

She didn’t really miss. The lame-stream media just edited the clip to make it appear that way. In reality she killed that caribou 5 times and used her teeth to tear out its heart.

Varek Raith Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:04:38pm

Good grief.
Now I know who trained Storm Troopers how to aim…

Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:05:04pm

By the way, I’m not squeamish about slaughtering animals for food. I know where the meat I eat comes from.

But killing and chopping up an animal on TV to make money and advance a political career is about as despicable a thing as I can imagine.

Four More Tears Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:06:31pm

He’s comin’ right at us!

Four More Tears Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:07:05pm

Oh, I just met Summer in Second Life. She says hi!

Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:07:54pm

Just my 2 cents from a film point of view.

You don’t actually see Sarah shoot a caribou in that clip.

You have one segment with her firing her shots, “You missed. You shot high.”

Then you have another segment of a caribou on the ridge, finally getting shot, including an edited “scope view” shot.

A few splices, redubbing, and voila. Sarah shot a caribou.

Fozzie Bear Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:08:27pm

When I was in college, there was this strange group of socially awkward douchebags that met every week in the student union building to talk about such topics as why McCarthy was really an american hero, to protest the alleged liberal bias of their teachers, and generally flop and flail about rhetorically in a desperate plea for attention and sympathy for their feigned and phony perpetual victimhood. (I.e., the Young Republican’s Club) Now they run the GOP.

How much worse could it be if Sister Sarah ran it? Not much worse, really.

recusancy Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:09:00pm

In other news I just got a notice that my healthcare premiums are going down next month as a result of Obama Care.

Four More Tears Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:09:08pm

Only the mightiest of warriors can lead the GOP to true victory!

Varek Raith Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:10:21pm

re: #15 JasonA

Only the mightiest of warriors can lead the GOP to true victory!

Have fun fighting the rancor!
Metaphorically and literally speaking, of course.
;)

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:11:21pm

Good grief! What’s the range here? That’s a decent-looking rifle, scope sight, solid rest. If this were a soldier in my unit, he or she would be scheduled for remedial range time or an eye exam, maybe both.

Romantic Heretic Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:12:00pm

re: #16 Varek Raith

Have fun fighting the rancor!
Metaphorically and literally speaking, of course.
;)

Fight it? Hell, she’ll feed it.

With fresh caribou of course. /

Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:12:14pm

I’m thinking of the thought process that went into this stunt:

Palin Handler: We need something that shows you are a tough and woodsy mama grizzly. Your supporters need to know that you will unflinchingly slaughter the enemies of America, both foriegn and domestic. We need something that makes you look rugged and independent. Something that makes you look frontier.

Palin: I could shoot and fillet some Tina Fey, you betcha! That bitch has it coming after all she said about me!

Palin handler: Or you could waste a caribou. It shows good Christians that you believe in man’s dominion over nature. It shows that you support the second ammendment and it will make hippies cry! It shows enironmentalists that real Americans know how to love the great outdoors by using the great outdoors. It’s brilliant!

Palin: Great! I can’t wait, but how long will I have to be outside? Its cold out there and this show is doing terrible things to my wardrobe and my twitter time!

Palin Handler: Don’t worry. We’ll set it up so you can’t miss. If you do, we’ll make certain that there is a back up beast if you do miss!

Palin: OK but you know I’ve never really shot rifle before.

Palin Handler: Really… OK great! We can get your dad on the trip. It will show you bonding with your father over a little wholesome slaughter and gun worship. If you aren’t the best shot, it will play well with your base when your dad gives you sage advice on how to kill things for the hell of it.
After all, you are a girl.

Palin: Of course I’m a girl! I can’t wait to shoot! I’ll just imagine it’s Tina Fey! What do I do one I’ve shot it.?

Palin Handler: Keep imagining it’s Tina Fey.

Talking Point Detective Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:12:39pm

She lives near Russia and she can butcher animals.

What other qualifications could be needed to head the RNC?

Fozzie Bear Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:12:49pm

Sarah never abandoned her secessionist roots. She just did what she could to bring the GOP closer to her original position: that the US government is illegitimate, and should be broken up.

If you want to be a revolutionary, you have to be prepared to live off the land. I think she would last about 5 days.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:14:16pm

I’m calling bullshit. I don’t think she even hit the caribou. Its staged.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:14:45pm

re: #7 JeffM70

She didn’t really miss. The lame-stream media just edited the clip to make it appear that way. In reality she killed that caribou 5 times and used her teeth to tear out its heart.

And that was really hard to do, because Chuck Norris was doing push ups at the time and it kept moving the Earth down and fucking with her aim.

Varek Raith Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:14:58pm

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m calling bullshit. I don’t think she even hit the caribou. Its staged.

Caribou-gate!

Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:15:22pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just my 2 cents from a film point of view.

You don’t actually see Sarah shoot a caribou in that clip.

You have one segment with her firing her shots, “You missed. You shot high.”

Then you have another segment of a caribou on the ridge, finally getting shot, including an edited “scope view” shot.

A few splices, redubbing, and voila. Sarah shot a caribou.

This is true. I also notice that the clip of the animal being shot is edited to cut out the actual moment of impact.

SpaceJesus Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:15:25pm

constitutional argument on prop 8 in 9th circuit

c-span.org

Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:16:04pm

re: #24 Varek Raith

Caribou-gate!

Edited for television: “Steve, shoot the fucking thing. We can cut that later, right?”

Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:17:14pm

re: #9 Charles

By the way, I’m not squeamish about slaughtering animals for food. I know where the meat I eat comes from.

But killing and chopping up an animal on TV to make money and advance a political career is about as despicable a thing as I can imagine.

I’m not so much bothered by that but I do suspect a bit of reality show creative license. These “reality” shows often set these things up to advance a story line. I have to wonder if that was a farm hunt with semi domesticated animals. The Fins do that with reindeer and it’s an accepted practice but it’s not really a “hunt”.

elizajane Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:17:20pm

No, no, it’s not that ALL caribou are unafraid of guns. It’s that THIS particular caribou, knowing that she was about to give her life for the good of Sarah Palin, stood still and waited to be killed. Kind of along the lines of ancient sacrificial victims. There is biblical precedent.

Remember, ALL dumb animals do what Sarah Palin wants.
(Or, “just reload”.)

FWIW, my mother’s cousin hunted big game in Africa with a bow and arrow. Really truly. And the animals did not stand still as he fitted extra arrows. (He was testing sporting equipment, but still, he did it.)

Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:17:36pm

re: #25 Charles

This is true. I also notice that the clip of the animal being shot is edited to cut out the actual moment of impact.

You also hear multiple shots. At least Dad Palin was firing too.

“Good girl… You’ve learned to kill innocent creatures for no reason other than a publicity stunt! Now show us what a lady you are by slathering yourself with that creature’s gastrointestinal tract!”

“I’m so proud! You bet!”

Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:17:47pm

re: #25 Charles

This is true. I also notice that the clip of the animal being shot is edited to cut out the actual moment of impact.

It would also explain why is wasn’t spooked. Sarah took her shots, then they filmed another caribou as it was getting shot. Cut and paste, the Great White Huntress bags a caribou.

Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:19:16pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

I’m not so much bothered by that but I do suspect a bit of reality show creative license. These “reality” shows often set these things up to advance a story line. I have to wonder if that was a farm hunt with semi domesticated animals. The Fins do that with reindeer and it’s an accepted practice but it’s not really a “hunt”.

Here’s TV chef Gordon Ramsay shooting a reindeer….

Youtube Video

Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:19:35pm

re: #30 LudwigVanQuixote

You also hear multiple shots. At least Dad Palin was firing too.

“Good girl… You’ve learned to kill innocent creatures for no reason other than a publicity stunt! Now show us what a lady you are by slathering yourself with that creature’s gastrointestinal tract!”

“I’m so proud! You bet!”

I’m rooting for the parasites even now.

recusancy Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:20:05pm

re: #25 Charles

This is true. I also notice that the clip of the animal being shot is edited to cut out the actual moment of impact.

To be fair on that point I was watching Swamp People on History (they hunt gators) and every time they shot a gator the camera would cut away so as not to show the actual bullet entering. It may just be a company policy not to show it.

allegro Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:20:15pm

Bludgeoning fish, slaughtering caribou… such delightful entertainment. So sorry I missed it.//

Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:20:57pm

re: #35 allegro

Bludgeoning fish, slaughtering caribou… such delightful entertainment. So sorry I missed it.//

Next week: Baby seal clubbing

allegro Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:21:42pm

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Next week: Baby seal clubbing

Fun for the whole family!

Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:21:58pm

re: #34 recusancy

To be fair on that point I was watching Swamp People on History (they hunt gators) and every time they shot a gator the camera would cut away so as not to show the actual bullet entering. It may just be a company policy not to show it.

Critters tend to scream when they get shot.

That sort of takes the wooohah out of it for the rubes.

Play KT’s video in 32

webevintage Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:22:23pm

Jesus people what do you expect?
How else can Sarah and Todd support their big ass family if not by killing the food God so thoughtfully placed there for them?
I mean it is not like they have grocery stores in Alaska…..
/

Yeah, I kinda figured this show would have some very, very good editing to show Sarah doing any number of things she really can’t do.
Are the ratings any good (besides the first episode)?
Are most people watching for comedy?

Stanley Sea Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:22:31pm

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Next week: Baby seal clubbing

No, next week it’s Kate plus 8. Maybe Sr. Sarah will make the kids cry.

recusancy Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:23:00pm

re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote

Yup. People love the fantasy of it. Not the full reality.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:23:03pm

re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote

Critters tend to scream when they get shot.

That sort of takes the wooohah out of it for the rubes.

Play KT’s video in 32

Thats simple, sound editing. No need to distress the viewer at home.

Fozzie Bear Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:23:18pm

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the actual caribou kill were staged to appear as though Palin did it. Then again, it’s immaterial. The entire thing is staged, and nobody denies that.

We have a politician, running her race for president (lets not pretend this is anything other than part of her race for president) from within a fucking reality show. So, you have the Discovery Channel and Fox News essentially financing, managing, and publicizing her campaign.

This is politics as spectacle. This is “ouch my balls”, made real.

We live in fucking idiocracy.

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:23:31pm

She still doesn’t rate on the scale of GOP bad-assery: Teddy Roosevelt shot thousands of critters (and some Spaniards) but Dick Cheney topped them all by shooting a lawyer.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:23:41pm

re: #39 webevintage

The ratings have dropped hugely, and the really bad news is that those who are watching are in the older viewers segment— almost nobody in the slots advertisers actually want.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:24:21pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

No, next week it’s Kate plus 8. Maybe Sr. Sarah will make the kids cry.

Please, if Palin thought it would advance her career, she would club and gut those kids on national television. After watching this video the one thing that comes to my mind is that other creatures and other people are not so real to Sarah.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:25:09pm

re: #43 Fozzie Bear

It reminds me of Dukakis in that tank. That level of “What the fuck?” absurdity.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:26:33pm

Ludwig,

Rewatched it. All the audio is coming from Sarah’s feed, so either the Caribou was “shot” so far away you wouldn’t hear it, it didn’t scream, or their was no sound to be heard when they recorded the audio.

Fozzie Bear Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:26:57pm

re: #46 LudwigVanQuixote

Please, if Palin thought it would advance her career, she would club and gut those kids on national television. After watching this video the one thing that comes to my mind is that other creatures and other people are not so real to Sarah.

A classic symptom of antisocial personality disorder.

Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:28:01pm

re: #34 recusancy

To be fair on that point I was watching Swamp People on History (they hunt gators) and every time they shot a gator the camera would cut away so as not to show the actual bullet entering. It may just be a company policy not to show it.

Which is weird, because they then proceeded to skin and hack the animal to pieces, very graphically.

sagehen Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:29:33pm

re: #44 Shiplord Kirel

She still doesn’t rate on the scale of GOP bad-assery: Teddy Roosevelt shot thousands of critters (and some Spaniards) but Dick Cheney topped them all by shooting a lawyer.

And then the lawyer apologized.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:29:42pm

re: #49 Fozzie Bear

Let’s not go nuts here with the DSMIV categorizations.

Shooting an animal and not feeling that bad about it is not antisocial behavior. Especially at long range.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:29:51pm

re: #50 Charles

Which is weird, because they then proceeded to skin and hack the animal to pieces, very graphically.

One of those wierd taboos. You can show up to the moment of death, and you can see the remains and afterwards, but the actual moment of death is cut away from. Happens on many documentary type shows.

Stanley Sea Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:31:28pm

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of those wierd taboos. You can show up to the moment of death, and you can see the remains and afterwards, but the actual moment of death is cut away from. Happens on many documentary type shows.

The children! The children!

recusancy Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:31:52pm

re: #50 Charles

Which is weird, because they then proceeded to skin and hack the animal to pieces, very graphically.

I guess they can show it alive and they can show it dead but they can’t show the transition from one to the other.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:32:58pm

So just to put this in perspective:

Iran is pushing ahead with a nuclear program.

30,000 children died lat night because of hunger or malnutrition related complications.

Darfur is still happening.

Climate change is happening now and already claiming lives and livelihoods and it will only continue to get much, much worse until it is utterly catastrophic, unless we act.

And… And…

We are watching a malignant narcissist bitch writhe around in caribou guts, like a jello wrestler in Hannibal Lecter’s wet dreams.

And… Half of this country thinks this creature should be president.

Fozzie Bear Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:32:58pm

re: #52 Obdicut

Let’s not go nuts here with the DSMIV categorizations.

Shooting an animal and not feeling that bad about it is not antisocial behavior. Especially at long range.

I’m speaking more to the observation that other people don’t seem to be 100% real to SP. Of course, it’s impossible to slap a diagnosis on her based on a TV show.

But there is definitely something to the epic number of feuds she has gotten herself involved in, and the completely dismissive tone she takes to those that aren’t “one of us”. Everything is “friend or foe” to her, and it’s not a sign of a healthy mind.

SpaceJesus Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:33:09pm

re: #54 Stanley Sea

are you arguing for prop 8?

Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:34:09pm

re: #52 Obdicut

Let’s not go nuts here with the DSMIV categorizations.

Shooting an animal and not feeling that bad about it is not antisocial behavior. Especially at long range.

That is true. However, shooting an animal and gutting it with so much “gusto” just as a publicity stunt is a sign that things are fucked up.

recusancy Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:34:10pm

re: #56 LudwigVanQuixote

She’s gung-ho, bomb ‘em to bits on your first issue there.

sagehen Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:34:40pm

re: #56 LudwigVanQuixote

And… ~~Half of this country~~ 30% of Republicans, including the management at Fox, thinks this creature should be president.

ftfy

Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:36:52pm

I stated in a past thread that the GOP represents the left wing of the conservative movement. Putting Sarah at the head of the GOP would bring it in line with the conservatives.

Eat what you kill…

Stanley Sea Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:37:49pm

re: #58 SpaceJesus

are you arguing for prop 8?

lol. Wrong thread!

Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:38:00pm

Other people are wondering about this too…
Sarah Palin the TV Star Exposes Sarah Palin the Fake Hunter

For starters, Palin and pa head out on a long hunt without bothering to sight in Palin’s rifle, a mistake no serious hunter would ever make. Why Palin’s dad chose for her a “varmint rifle” for a caribou hunt and why Palin, an admitted “moose hunter,” would not question such a gun’s appropriateness is never answered.

From there, numerous bungles along the way to finally downing the caribou show a hunting tourist who, at worst, appears to pose a genuine danger to fellow outdoorsmen.
…
In the episode, Palin uses a second gun, which, thanks to good video editing, she uses to down the animal in one shot.

But knowledgeable hunters would have all recoiled in horror watching Palin immediately place her finger on the trigger of the “hot” Savage 110 as it was handed to her. Keeping one’s finger off the trigger until the very moment of the shot is the first lesson any responsible hunter ever learns.

But Palin’s inexperience with guns is in no way more obvious than when she is handed the rifle and she asks, “Does it kick?” It was an exchange Brad Schlegel took note of, writing on Palin’s Facebook wall, “‘does the rifle kick’ what kind of a question is that? Doesn’t matter if it kicks or not you shoot it the same. That was a girly question momma griz.”

Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:38:18pm

re: #61 sagehen

ftfy

Anything more than .00002% is too much. 30% tells us this country has a 30% useless population.

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:38:39pm

Here’s a tip, Sarah: If you really want to impress us by shooting something, go to Afghanistan and bag some Taliban. Our guys could help you with your shooting, too, though having a target that will shoot back does wonders for one’s concentration.

Michael Orion Powell Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:38:44pm

Some of the restrictions, you know, you obviously would not think about today. But one of those was you had to be a property owner. And that makes a lot of sense, because if you’re a property owner you actually have a vested stake in the community. If you’re not a property owner, you know, I’m sorry but property owners have a little bit more of a vested interest in the community than non-property owners.

This I find alot freakier than anything that Palin did. What’s going on the Right is a hyper-aggressive nationalism that wants to re-unite and recreate an America they think they’ve lost due to the outside world and groups within the United States. Yes, that is a large part of what Adolf Hitler sought through German National Socialism.

As for Palin killing a caribou, I have an uncle who is very progressive but lives an extremely conservative lifestyle. He raises his own chickens and slaughters them. Unless I’m about to go vegetarian and stop eating meat that is packaged synthetically so that the bloody process doesn’t occur up close, I don’t think there’s a place to judge.

Lanzman Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:40:24pm

Crikey. Did any of you people actually watch the show? Palin took four shots at the caribou with her father’s rifle, which he assured her was sighted in properly. She missed all four times, shooting high. She then took a shot with the guide’s rifle and dropped the animal. Checking back at their camp showed that her dad’s rifle was in fact not sighted in correctly.
I also find it fascinating that so many of you seem shocked that a hunter, having bagged the game she was after, would then field-dress the carcass to pack out the meat. Have none of you ever been deer hunting? Keep in mind that this hunt took place out in the wilds of Alaska, which Palin’s party reached via light aircraft. It’s not like they could just skip back to a car and tie the critter to the fender.
Note that the above assumes that the whole deal was not staged by political handlers. In fact, I’d be quite surprised if it had been, since even the putative “moderate centrists” here at LGF are expressing horror at a fairly common American activity. This wasn’t a trophy hunt, it was to get meat. Some folks actually like fresh venison once in a while.
Sheesh.

Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:41:17pm

Property, as in real estate? What a share interest in any company that holds any real estate?

And what about literacy tests?

recusancy Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:41:28pm

re: #65 LudwigVanQuixote

Anything more than .00002% is too much. 30% tells us this country has a 30% useless population.

That’s a bit much even for me. I here that and I think “expendable”.

Fozzie Bear Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:42:32pm

re: #65 LudwigVanQuixote

Anything more than .00002% is too much. 30% tells us this country has a 30% useless population.

“The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of who will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.”

There is a theory that about 27% of the population is batshit insane. I know FDL isn’t popular here, but this is an interesting observation, plucked from FDL:

27 Percenters – Those Americans who will predictably vote against their own best interests. In his seminal post on the Crazification Factor, John Rogers used the 2004 Obama/Keyes senate race as a measure: “Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That’s crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% Crazification Factor in any population.”

Now for the poll results (PDF).

The Quitter:
Very Negative/Somewhat Negative – 43%
Neutral – 24%
Very Positive/Somewhat Positive – 29%

The Decider:
Very Negative/Somewhat Negative – 50%
Neutral – 21%
Very Positive/Somewhat Positive – 29%

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:43:04pm

re: #67 OrionXP

I think the criticism is really just about placing the killing inside the reality TV show, where it’s supposed to have some sort of significance.

I have no problem with hunters. I have no problem with people butchering animals. I love venison and wild-caught hare.

I do have a problem with anyone on any reality TV show that’s basically a vanity self-promotion, regardless of what they’re doing.

In reference to property ownership, you’re very right, and it’s also quite true that, obviously, the economy has changed a lot since those days. Not only do many people rent for long periods of time now simply because it makes the most economic sense, but they’re often the more fiscally responsible people for doing so. I don’t get people who think that the situations that existed at the birth of the nation bear any resemblance to modern ones. There’s so much difference.

Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:43:08pm

re: #68 Lanzman

It is all highly symbolic: Those first four shots stand for the 2008 campaign, Miller in Alaska, O’Donnel in Delaware and Angle in Nevada.

All she needs to do is change weapons and she will be dead on target…

Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:43:23pm

Sarah pretending to shoot a deer to impress baby boomers isn’t really news.

Finding out that Christopher Lee, at the age of 87, has a heavy metal album, now thats news.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:43:59pm

re: #68 Lanzman

his wasn’t a trophy hunt, it was to get meat.

No. It was to feature it on her TV show.

webevintage Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:44:48pm

re: #68 Lanzman

In fact, I’d be quite surprised if it had been, since even the putative “moderate centrists” here at LGF are expressing horror at a fairly common American activity. This wasn’t a trophy hunt, it was to get meat. Some folks actually like fresh venison once in a while.
Sheesh.

Thank you Sarah….

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:45:59pm

re: #68 Lanzman

By the way, you do know that you can’t zero in a rifle for someone else, right? You really have to do it yourself. The way you hold it is going to be different.

SpaceJesus Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:46:41pm

give the caribou guns

Fozzie Bear Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:46:48pm

re: #68 Lanzman

Crikey. Did any of you people actually watch the show? Palin took four shots at the caribou with her father’s rifle, which he assured her was sighted in properly. She missed all four times, shooting high. She then took a shot with the guide’s rifle and dropped the animal. Checking back at their camp showed that her dad’s rifle was in fact not sighted in correctly.
I also find it fascinating that so many of you seem shocked that a hunter, having bagged the game she was after, would then field-dress the carcass to pack out the meat. Have none of you ever been deer hunting? Keep in mind that this hunt took place out in the wilds of Alaska, which Palin’s party reached via light aircraft. It’s not like they could just skip back to a car and tie the critter to the fender.
Note that the above assumes that the whole deal was not staged by political handlers. In fact, I’d be quite surprised if it had been, since even the putative “moderate centrists” here at LGF are expressing horror at a fairly common American activity. This wasn’t a trophy hunt, it was to get meat. Some folks actually like fresh venison once in a while.
Sheesh.

The horror expressed is that a major candidate for president is on a reality show, shooting animals, not because she has to, or even has any clue what she is doing (she doesn’t. nobody who understands guns touches the trigger when not sighted in on a target) but because it is political spectacle.

Reality TV isn’t a suitable forum for politics, unless your goal is to convince morons to vote for you, which in the case, is exactly what is going on.

lawhawk Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:47:32pm

re: #43 Fozzie Bear

If we’re going that route, might as well go all in. Jackass Johnny Knoxville for President! After all, if he can take a shot to the nads, he has the stones to deal with Putin. /

Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:47:33pm

re: #68 Lanzman

Keep in mind that this hunt took place out in the wilds of Alaska, which Palin’s party reached via light aircraft.

Don’t believe everything you see on “reality” TV shows. Think about the stuff you don’t see in that clip. Probably at least 3 camera men with heavy professional cameras. Soundman, boom mic operator, A producer, director, etc. There were probably 8-10 people carrying heavy equipment and I sorta doubt they’re wandering the wild tundra with all that gear waiting for Palin to track and kill a caribou.

sagehen Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:47:47pm

re: #72 Obdicut

In reference to property ownership, you’re very right, and it’s also quite true that, obviously, the economy has changed a lot since those days. Not only do many people rent for long periods of time now simply because it makes the most economic sense, but they’re often the more fiscally responsible people for doing so. I don’t get people who think that the situations that existed at the birth of the nation bear any resemblance to modern ones. There’s so much difference.

“Property” meant something different back then, too. It didn’t necessarily mean real estate. A car is a valuable thing.

garhighway Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:47:51pm

re: #14 recusancy

In other news I just got a notice that my healthcare premiums are going down next month as a result of Obama Care.

Commie.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:49:08pm

re: #82 sagehen

And back then, people didn’t tend to have debt in the way we do now. There’s just no end of ways things are different.

I own no house. I own very little. I also have no debt of any kind. From a lot of perspectives, that puts me ahead of someone with a house and a mortgage.

Who has more ‘property’, me or them?

Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:50:21pm

re: #14 recusancy

In other news I just got a notice that my healthcare premiums are going down next month as a result of Obama Care.

Just wait until a Death Panel gives your granda the thumbs-down…

bubba zanetti Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:50:56pm

re: #79 Fozzie Bear

Reality TV isn’t a suitable forum for politics, unless your goal is to convince morons to vote for you, which in the case, is exactly what is going on.

And every day Idiocracy becomes less of a parody and more of a prophecy.

recusancy Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:51:04pm

TLC really has gone backwoods freakshow. They either have baby factories, midgets, freak medical conditions, over sexualized toddlers, people who didn’t know they were pregenant, polygamy, and now Bama Belles.

sagehen Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:51:09pm

re: #85 ralphieboy

Just wait until a Death Panel gives your granda the thumbs-down…

In Arizona, the death panels are giving thumbs down to people in their 30’s, with dependent minor children.

AlexRogan Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:51:34pm

re: #68 Lanzman

Crikey. Did any of you people actually watch the show? Palin took four shots at the caribou with her father’s rifle, which he assured her was sighted in properly. She missed all four times, shooting high. She then took a shot with the guide’s rifle and dropped the animal. Checking back at their camp showed that her dad’s rifle was in fact not sighted in correctly.
I also find it fascinating that so many of you seem shocked that a hunter, having bagged the game she was after, would then field-dress the carcass to pack out the meat. Have none of you ever been deer hunting? Keep in mind that this hunt took place out in the wilds of Alaska, which Palin’s party reached via light aircraft. It’s not like they could just skip back to a car and tie the critter to the fender.
Note that the above assumes that the whole deal was not staged by political handlers. In fact, I’d be quite surprised if it had been, since even the putative “moderate centrists” here at LGF are expressing horror at a fairly common American activity. This wasn’t a trophy hunt, it was to get meat. Some folks actually like fresh venison once in a while.
Sheesh.

I have no problem with someone hunting for something they’re going to eat (or give to others to eat); racks and skins are a nice bonus. My dad hunted and fished and I have more than a few friends and family that hunt and fish, so it’s not anathema to me at all.

My issue with this particular hunt (and I’m sure that other Lizards are in the same boat as me) is that this was pure PR, done for the cameras and packaged for TV for Sarah’s adoring fans. From what I’ve seen, her supposed hunter creds are quite suspect, because it seems she doesn’t respect or know how to treat firearms,

This “hunt” was to bolster her redneck bonifides, as it were…at she failed miserably.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:53:10pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Don’t believe everything you see on “reality” TV shows. Think about the stuff you don’t see in that clip. Probably at least 3 camera men with heavy professional cameras. Soundman, boom mic operator, A producer, director, etc. There were probably 8-10 people carrying heavy equipment and I sorta doubt they’re wandering the wild tundra with all that gear waiting for Palin to track and kill a caribou.

Of course it was a set up shot. What else could it have been?

Of course think about that aspect too…

OK Sarah show us how manly you are… Shoot this semi domesticated rang beast we herded over the hill.

webevintage Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:53:52pm

I don’t think anyone here cares that the Palins hunt.
I don’t.
Hunting does not bother me at all (unless you are my idiot neighbor who has crossed over onto my property to shoot at something that might be a pet) and I like venison.

What is annoying is the whole “salt of the earth real American mama grizzly killing things to feed her family” bullshit we are getting fed on a reality show (a fucking reality show) that is supposed to be about Alaska, but in reality is about how awesome Sarah Palin is. It is a FREE political advertisement each and every week for her and her TeaGOP party followers.
And killing animals to make her seem more “real” turns my stomach….

And the fact that there are folks who think that things on a reality show are actually “real” amazes me.
I promise you that the mom on Kate Plus 8 is not raising those kids all alone….

Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:54:37pm

re: #87 recusancy

TLC really has gone backwoods freakshow. They either have baby factories, midgets, freak medical conditions, over sexualized toddlers, people who didn’t know they were pregenant, polygamy, and now Bama Belles.

Ahhh yes, TLC, teaching the world about America’s lowest common denominator.

webevintage Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:55:29pm

re: #14 recusancy

In other news I just got a notice that my healthcare premiums are going down next month as a result of Obama Care.

Well that can not be true.
President Palin (and the whole GOP) has told me that HCR will raise my rates and cause life as we know it to end.

recusancy Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:55:34pm

re: #87 recusancy

TLC really has gone backwoods freakshow. They either have baby factories, midgets, freak medical conditions, over sexualized toddlers, people who didn’t know they were pregenant, polygamy, and now Bama Belles.

Where’s Walter to tell me not to make fun of freakshows?

Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:55:44pm

re: #88 sagehen

In Arizona, the death panels are giving thumbs down to people in their 30’s, with dependent minor children.

I looked into that. These “Death Panels” seem to have been put in place by a Republican legislature…

scienceprogress.org

Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:55:55pm

“Hunters” don’t routinely have a film crew of city folks with them making noise and stinking up the place at they search for game.

BongCrodny Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:55:57pm

re: #87 recusancy

TLC really has gone backwoods freakshow. They either have baby factories, midgets, freak medical conditions, over sexualized toddlers, people who didn’t know they were pregenant, polygamy, and now Bama Belles.

Doesn’t TLC stand for The Learning Channel?

Exactly what are we learning here?

Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:56:35pm

re: #90 LudwigVanQuixote

Of course it was a set up shot. What else could it have been?

Of course think about that aspect too…

OK Sarah show us how manly you are… Shoot this semi domesticated rang beast we herded over the hill.

If she shot it.

Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:57:17pm

re: #94 recusancy

Where’s Walter to tell me not to make fun of freakshows?

I didn’t notice you making fun of very special people. You were simply recounting the kind of shows you spend your time watching.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:57:40pm

re: #97 BongCrodny

Doesn’t TLC stand for The Learning Channel?

Exactly what are we learning here?

That the American lowest common denominator has sunk even lower.

Maybe it was always that low and is only now rising to the surface, since there is no longer a sense of shame at being an utterly shallow, self absorbed, crazy, ignorant, moron. It is hard to say.

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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:58:35pm

re: #68 Lanzman

OMG NO I HAVE NEVER BEEN DEER HUNTING!!11!! BUT ONCE I PEED IN MY PANTS WHEN A BLACK KID YELLED “WHAT YOU DOING!”

However, I did shoot at a squirrel with a 22 once, though. My granny bagged it with her 12 gauge and we had it for dinner. She didn’t need to do a field dressing on TV. We had okra with it. Can I be president?

Granny / Jeff In Ohio ‘12,

Palin / Fetus Inna Jar Never!!11!!

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Interesting Times Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:58:59pm

Sarah isn’t the only destructive substance coming out of Alaska…

Accelerated Wildfires Unlocking Carbon in Alaskan Soils, Study Finds

This is the first study to reveal that fires in the Alaskan interior - an area spanning 18.5 million hectares - have become more severe in the past 10 years, and have released much more carbon into the atmosphere than was stored by the region’s forests over the same period.

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webevintage Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:59:03pm

I’d rather spend my time watching cats play pattycake…..

Youtube Video

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recusancy Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:59:37pm

re: #99 Walter L. Newton

LOLz

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JeffM70 Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:00:02pm

re: #97 BongCrodny

Doesn’t TLC stand for The Learning Channel?

Exactly what are we learning here?

It’s inflicted with the disease that is reality tv. A&E is similarly afflicted.

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elizajane Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:00:29pm

re: #88 sagehen

In Arizona, the death panels are giving thumbs down to people in their 30’s, with dependent minor children.

Only illegal ones, and they don’t count.

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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:01:07pm

re: #106 elizajane

Only illegal ones, and they don’t count.

Only non-property owners, or those with negative equity…

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lawhawk Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:01:30pm

re: #91 webevintage

There’s nothing real about reality shows. Nothing. Not even the DYI shows that purport to show DIY renovations are real. They’re staged, condensed, cut, edited to within a photon of their original existence, and then further edited for time.

Big deal that Palin went out on a hunt, or that she bagged a caribou, or took more than a couple of shots to do so (and after using someone else’s rifle that was not properly sighted for her).

What’s the point?

It isn’t that she shot the caribou. It’s that she’s burnishing her bonafides to her adoring fans. They aren’t going to care that it took however many shots to take down that caribou or that it was stage managed by handlers/network to sanitize/condense/edit down the hunt to the bare minimum. Some may begin questioning her purported skills based on this, but that’s (the skills) are immaterial.

This is about maintaining her profile in media. Discovery is capitalizing on her fame/VP run as a ratings ploy - and it works in both their favor for the show to be a success. Cynical? Absolutely, but that’s also the simplest answer.

Watch for other politicians to jump on this bandwagon too.

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garhighway Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:01:52pm

re: #97 BongCrodny

Doesn’t TLC stand for The Learning Channel?

Exactly what are we learning here?

How to get people to watch TV.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:02:09pm

I refuse to watch that show, but from the descriptions of what happened, as a hunter, I just have to say WOW. If I ever took a rifle from someone and put my finger inside the trigger guard my father would have kicked my ass. Further the basic argument of sighting in a rifle before use either with a scope or with iron sites, if it’s not sighted in properly you miss which kind of defeats the purpose. But even beyond that it’s just plain dangerous, you don’t know what’s behind the target and what would happen if you missed. And no, the argument of it being the alaskan tundra doesn’t hold water.

As for hunting Caribou, if it’s the same as hunting elk, it’s not uncommon to use a long range rifle where the animal is less likely to hear the shot. From what I have heard from people who have hunted both, they have an incredible sense of smell and hearing and can pick up on someone from a close distance. Then again I saw video from a friend of mine in Alaska bow hunting during the caribou migration, the animals moved while the people were just standing there picking the one they wanted, no real “hunting” involved.

Given that this was for TV I think the whole thing was a canned hunt.

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:02:41pm

re: #109 garhighway

How to get people to watch TV.

Considering the rating drop on her show, not so much.

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lawhawk Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:02:52pm

re: #93 webevintage

My rates are going up. My manager’s rates are going up even more because he falls into Cadillac plan territory in his coverages - and our company has deemed that high income employees are to pay even more.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:03:04pm

re: #97 BongCrodny

How NOT to hunt?

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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:03:19pm

re: #68 Lanzman

I tried to head off this reaction with comment #9, but I should have known it wouldn’t matter.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:04:10pm

I was disgusted when candidate John Kerry went out to kill geese just for show… but, because I didn’t think it was something that he normally did.

Part of me wants to give a pass to Sarah because she is part of a animal killing culture.

But, well… I’m still pretty disgusted.

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garhighway Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:04:34pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Considering the rating drop on her show, not so much.

She needs to tweak the formula. Instead of shooting a caribou, she needs to beat a hobo to death with a hammer. THAT’LL fill the seats!

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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:05:28pm

re: #115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was disgusted when candidate John Kerry went out to kill geese just for show… but, because I didn’t think it was something that he normally did.

Part of me wants to give a pass to Sarah because she is part of a animal killing culture.

But, well… I’m still pretty disgusted.

Good point. As I recall there were also allegations that he didn’t kill the bird he was pictured with.

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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:06:55pm

re: #116 garhighway

LOL. How about Hobo Joe?

Image: web-260574.jpg

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:06:59pm

re: #116 garhighway

She needs to tweak the formula. Instead of shooting a caribou, she needs to beat a hobo to death with a hammer. THAT’LL fill the seats!

/

When can we start calling in to vote people out of the house?

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:07:30pm

re: #115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was disgusted when candidate John Kerry went out to kill geese just for show… but, because I didn’t think it was something that he normally did.

Part of me wants to give a pass to Sarah because she is part of a animal killing culture.

But, well… I’m still pretty disgusted.

Kerry did not exploit his geese hunting outings…

But those bloody details were kept far away from the watchful eyes of the 35 reporters and photographers who had been roused early in the morning and hauled out to the farm where Mr. Kerry was to hunt.

washingtontimes.com

Kerry is not known for bragging about his accomplishments like Ms. Sarah is.

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:08:16pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

And he also failed basic gun safety.

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sagehen Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:08:35pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Good point. As I recall there were also allegations that he didn’t kill the bird he was pictured with.

And that the outfit he was wearing probably still had the price tags tucked into the collar and cuffs.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:10:59pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

I didn’t believe he killed them.

Either way… killing a critter to say “Look how bad-ass I am” just ruffles my feathers.

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recusancy Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:12:31pm

re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I didn’t believe he killed them.

Either way… killing a critter to say “Look how bad-ass I am” just ruffles my feathers.

People do dumb shit to appeal to the voters. See Obama bowling.

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Romantic Heretic Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:12:36pm

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of those wierd taboos. You can show up to the moment of death, and you can see the remains and afterwards, but the actual moment of death is cut away from. Happens on many documentary type shows.

That’s because we North Americans don’t want to actually see death. We can handle living things and dead things but the moment of death? Nope. Nuh uh. Don’t wanna know.

It’s because death is something we have no power over and being among the worst control freaks in history being reminded there are things we can’t affect frightens us no end.

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:13:23pm

re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I didn’t believe he killed them.

Either way… killing a critter to say “Look how bad-ass I am” just ruffles my feathers.

Flint tipped spear versus a grizzly bear, bad ass.

Scoped hunting rifle versus a herd animal, not so much.

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albusteve Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:13:26pm

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“Hunters” don’t routinely have a film crew of city folks with them making noise and stinking up the place at they search for game.

you don’t really search for caribou…generally they wander along in small herds, not moving too fast, even in migration….you know where they are, so you just set up according to sun and wind and wait for the biggest one to stroll by….then bag it

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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:14:52pm

Another nuance: if you are living out in the wilderness off the grid and need to stock your larder, then hunting is fine.

If you are living off book and TV royalties, you don’t need to hunt for meat…

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:15:11pm

re: #127 albusteve

you don’t really search for caribou…generally they wander along in small herds, not moving too fast, even in migration…you know where they are, so you just set up according to sun and wind and wait for the biggest one to stroll by…then bag it

Sounds quite challenging. Wait for the big dumb animal to wander into your sights. Wow.

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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:15:42pm

re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sounds quite challenging. Wait for the big dumb animal to wander into your sights. Wow.

Just what she is doing with the GOP elephant…

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garhighway Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:16:02pm

re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sounds quite challenging. Wait for the big dumb animal to wander into your sights. Wow.

More harvesting than hunting, from the sound of it.

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albusteve Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:17:34pm

re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sounds quite challenging. Wait for the big dumb animal to wander into your sights. Wow.

exactly….you can get a monster if you have the patience…big whoop

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webevintage Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:20:37pm

re: #112 lawhawk

My rates are going up. My manager’s rates are going up even more because he falls into Cadillac plan territory in his coverages - and our company has deemed that high income employees are to pay even more.

My rates went up too.
But they went up last year and the year before and the year before that and they year before that…..

Has nothing to do with HCR (which has not really begun yet) and everything to do with the fact that insurance companies raise their rates every year.

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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:22:37pm

re: #133 webevintage

Has nothing to do with HCR (which has not really begun yet) and everything to do with the fact that insurance companies raise their rates every year.

No, it is Obama’s fault.

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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:22:57pm

re: #68 Lanzman

Sorry, she’s a poor shot & a worse hunter. Thank god she’s nowhere near my hunting grounds.

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onyx Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:23:50pm

“…if you’re a property owner you actually have a vested stake in the community.” This is just common sense. It further stands to reason that the more property you own, the greater your vested stake in the community, and hence the greater the voting power you deserve. Mr. Trump, who do you think should be the next governor of New York?

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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:24:26pm

I watched the clip again and I’m pretty sure it’s fake. The last thing her father says before the last shot is “wait until he turns broadsides and stops.”. But the fatal shot shown is head on, not broadside.

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:25:41pm

re: #133 webevintage

My rates went up too.
But they went up last year and the year before and the year before that and they year before that…

Has nothing to do with HCR (which has not really begun yet) and everything to do with the fact that insurance companies raise their rates every year.

Really…

And AARP adds that it’s changing copayments and deductibles to avoid a 40 percent tax on high-cost health plans that takes effect in 2018 under the law. Aerospace giant Boeing also has cited the tax in asking its workers to pay more. Shifting costs to employees lowers the value of a health care plan and acts like an escape hatch from the tax.

news.yahoo.com

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SpaceJesus Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:25:57pm

Dia-beetus

labs.slate.com

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Fozzie Bear Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:26:43pm

Sarah Palin’s political dominance is proof to me that we really are living in the matrix, and the computers have decided it would be fun to torture me.

Excuse me while I go stare at spoons.

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lawhawk Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:28:20pm

re: #140 Fozzie Bear

There is no spoon. Just wait til that bakes your noodle.

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Fozzie Bear Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:28:45pm

re: #139 SpaceJesus

Dia-beetus

[Link: labs.slate.com…]

Holy crap, the bible belt is like ground zero of some kind of diabetes epidemic.

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bubba zanetti Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:29:18pm

re: #140 Fozzie Bear

Sarah Palin’s political dominance is proof to me that we really are living in the matrix, and the computers have decided it would be fun to torture me.

And if it’s not the matrix, you can take solace that Skynet will soon be able to hunt you down:

Youtube Video

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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:29:35pm

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

You missed this part:

AARP officials said medical inflation is the main reason employee costs will be going up. The health care law is “a small part,” said David Certner, legislative affairs director.

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SpaceJesus Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:30:10pm

re: #142 Fozzie Bear

Deep fried Snickers bars at Sunday breakfast after church

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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:30:13pm

Palin shoots a caribou

Here’s the unedited clip…

Youtube Video

After six misses at 1:50 the guy says. “He’s not going to go anywhere. Get settled in Sarah”. They seem to know that caribou is not going to escape and they have all day to shoot at it.

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SpaceJesus Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:31:30pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

Caribou is a metaphor for the GOP base that will stand around stupidly and accept anything that Sarah does.

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shutdown Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:32:39pm

I believe that Sarah “Deadeye” Palin should have as many public or quasi-public offices as possible before the elections. The more exposure this ridiculous human gets, the greater the likelihood that she does herself some irreparable damage.

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Fozzie Bear Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:32:56pm

re: #141 lawhawk

There is no spoon. Just wait til that bakes your noodle.

HOLY CRAP I JUST BROKE A VASE IN MY OFFICE

not really but that would be awesome

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Fozzie Bear Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:34:45pm

re: #148 imp_62

I believe that Sarah “Deadeye” Palin should have as many public or quasi-public offices as possible before the elections. The more exposure this ridiculous human gets, the greater the likelihood that she does herself some irreparable damage.

She QUIT her last elected position. Anybody she runs against in the future has that, just waiting for them, like a gigantic political gift, all wrapped up and waiting to be delivered.

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:35:26pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

Palin shoots a caribou

Here’s the unedited clip…

[Video]

After six misses at 1:50 the guy says. “He’s not going to go anywhere. Get settled in Sarah”. They seem to know that caribou is not going to escape and they have all day to shoot at it.

I watched that clip… I recognize that caribou. That’s a set up. That’s a stunt caribou. I worked on a local independent film where we hired that caribou for various scenes, including scene where the caribou takes a broadside from a moving vehicle… that caribou did a perfect roll over the hood of the truck and there was nary a scratch on him.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:36:14pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

they edited out the chain holding it in place…

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albusteve Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:36:15pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

I watched the clip again and I’m pretty sure it’s fake. The last thing her father says before the last shot is “wait until he turns broadsides and stops.”. But the fatal shot shown is head on, not broadside.

not the shot you want anyway…the best way to drop the animal is broadside or slightly oblique…the round goes in, through the heart and right out….not to travel lengthwise…any deer hunter knows that

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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:36:58pm

re: #20 Talking Point Detective

She lives near Russia and she can butcher animals.

What other qualifications could be needed to head the RNC?

How about the ability to spell RNC?

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shutdown Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:38:15pm

re: #150 Fozzie Bear

She QUIT her last elected position. Anybody she runs against in the future has that, just waiting for them, like a gigantic political gift, all wrapped up and waiting to be delivered.

She only quit to put herself at the service of a greater slice of the US public. She is a public servant through and through.
//

Oh ye gods. I threw up in my mouth a little after writing this.

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SpaceJesus Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:39:26pm

re: #155 imp_62

I know you’re being sarcastic, but it felt so good to pretend you weren’t then down ding you.

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shutdown Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:40:13pm

re: #156 SpaceJesus

I know you’re being sarcastic, but it felt so good to pretend you weren’t then down ding you.

Heheh. that’s as good a reason as any.

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Stanley Sea Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:40:36pm

Sr. Sarah’s statement regarding the RNC:

I respect the desire to have someone in charge of the RNC who understands the wishes of the conservative grassroots and understands that power resides with the people and not the vested interests in DC. However, the primary role of the RNC chair seems be that of fundraiser-in-chief, and there are others who would probably be much more comfortable asking people for money than I would be, and they would definitely enjoy it more.

ha ha ha ha ha

zero self awareness.

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Kronocide Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:41:04pm

re: #155 imp_62

She only quit to put herself at the service of a greater slice of the US public. She is a public servant through and through.

I know you were being sarcastic but her defense of the action will be that she had to leave office so she could fight the ‘lamestream media attacks’ on her.

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albusteve Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:41:25pm

re: #147 SpaceJesus

Caribou is a metaphor for the GOP base that will stand around stupidly and accept anything that Sarah does.

they will put antlers on the elephant logo next

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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:41:30pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

I watched the clip again and I’m pretty sure it’s fake.

It is plausible enough for reality television (or Fox News, whichever bids highest), and those who criticize it are just bitter elitists…

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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:43:37pm

re: #159 BigPapa

I know you were being sarcastic but her defense of the action will be that she had to leave office so she could fight the ‘lamestream media attacks’ on her.

In other words, she couldn’t stand the heat and got out of the kitchen…

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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:43:49pm

re: #153 albusteve

not the shot you want anyway…the best way to drop the animal is broadside or slightly oblique…the round goes in, through the heart and right out…not to travel lengthwise…any deer hunter knows that

Yeah. I’m pretty sure you aren’t supposed to shoot them head on because the breast plate is tough to penetrate.

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albusteve Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:44:23pm

re: #158 Stanley Sea

Sr. Sarah’s statement regarding the RNC:

ha ha ha ha ha

zero self awareness.

just playing the humble card, another fine quality for the chair…she’d take that job in a heartbeat

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shutdown Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:44:55pm

re: #159 BigPapa

I know you were being sarcastic but her defense of the action will be that she had to leave office so she could fight the ‘lamestream media attacks’ on her.

That’s why I want her to put herself out there in positions of actual responsibility as much as possible. The more frequently she fails, and the more spectacularly so, the better off we will all be in the long run. I don’t think there is any danger of her actually succeeding at anything with a true operational component.

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shutdown Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:45:31pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Yeah. I’m pretty sure you aren’t supposed to shoot them head on because the breast plate is tough to penetrate.

Damn. Caribou wear body armour now? Alaska is a tough state, you betcha.

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Charleston Chew Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:45:38pm

If you’re not a property owner, you know, I’m sorry but property owners have a little bit more of a vested interest in the community than non-property owners.

And yet people with money are always the ones that leave when a neighborhood goes downhill.

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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:45:45pm

Of course Palin is to stupid to consider that the unedited footage of her reality show “hunt” will probably turn up if she runs for president.

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reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:45:50pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

I watched the clip again and I’m pretty sure it’s fake. The last thing her father says before the last shot is “wait until he turns broadsides and stops.”. But the fatal shot shown is head on, not broadside.

I noticed that too. Of course, it could be the animal didn’t know what “broadside” means and simply didn’t cooperate.

Setting up a kill for no better reason than you’ve got that scene scripted into your “reality” show for the impact of it, is not sportsmanlike, not one bit.

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Charleston Chew Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:46:08pm

re: #167 Charleston Chew

Meant that first part to be a quote.

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Lidane Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:46:23pm

re: #158 Stanley Sea

Palin to English Translation: Hell no, I don’t want that job. The only money I want to raise is for myself. Being RNC chair wouldn’t pay enough and the money would go to RINOs and people I can’t stand.

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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:46:57pm

re: #152 Dreggas

they edited out the chain holding it in place…

I suspect it was a fenced in area.

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Fozzie Bear Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:47:06pm

re: #159 BigPapa

I know you were being sarcastic but her defense of the action will be that she had to leave office so she could fight the ‘lamestream media attacks’ on her.

The easy response to that would be “If Mrs. Palin can’t handle criticism from the Media and continue on performing her duties as Governor of Alaska, how can we trust that she can handle the pressures of the office of the president, THE most demanding and difficult job in American politics. If my opponent has such a thin skin that she feels the need to fight every critic directly, then she wouldn’t last a week as president. Grow up, Mrs. Palin, this job isn’t for children.”

My point is, there’s no way to defend against attack on the basis of actually having quit your last political job. It’s a SERIOUS handicap.

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albusteve Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:47:09pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Yeah. I’m pretty sure you aren’t supposed to shoot them head on because the breast plate is tough to penetrate.

correct..you want to penetrate the soft tissue of vital organs, the heart or aorta complex….above and a bit behind the shoulder

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albusteve Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:48:57pm

re: #169 reine.de.tout

I noticed that too. Of course, it could be the animal didn’t know what “broadside” means and simply didn’t cooperate.

Setting up a kill for no better reason than you’ve got that scene scripted into your “reality” show for the impact of it, is not sportsmanlike, not one bit.

kill it, eat it….any other reason is egotistical bullshit

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reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:49:07pm

re: #159 BigPapa

I know you were being sarcastic but her defense of the action will be that she had to leave office so she could fight the ‘lamestream media attacks’ on her.

And that’s no defense at all.
All I’ve seen her do is gallivant around doing book signings and speeches, giving more and more ammunition to those who “attack” her.

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Fozzie Bear Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:49:38pm

I’d vote for her if she hunted caribou with her bare hands. THAT is how you get my respect.

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Lidane Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:49:43pm

re: #173 Fozzie Bear

The easy response to that would be “If Mrs. Palin can’t handle criticism from the Media and continue on performing her duties as Governor of Alaska, how can we trust that she can handle the pressures of the office of the president, THE most demanding and difficult job in American politics.”

Exactly. It’s the single best, and most devastating criticism of her, because it’s entirely valid. She couldn’t even finish a single term in office as governor of a state with a smaller population than Austin, Texas. Why in the hell should anyone expect her to finish out a single term as President, which is that much harder?

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SpaceJesus Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:50:00pm

re: #173 Fozzie Bear

And the conservative white knight response would be, “oh, well, she just needs a strong Christian man as vice president to get through all that criticism and she’ll be just fine.”

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kirkspencer Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:50:06pm

re: #150 Fozzie Bear

She QUIT her last elected position. Anybody she runs against in the future has that, just waiting for them, like a gigantic political gift, all wrapped up and waiting to be delivered.

Not just quit, but did so because the press was being mean. Ask Obama, Clinton, and both Bush’s about their experience with mean reporters, none of whom experienced that much different than their predecessors.

waaaah.

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shutdown Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:50:28pm

BTW the person who came up with the term “lamestream media” is a marketing genius, the execrable application of his or her talents aside.

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albusteve Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:50:56pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

I suspect it was a fenced in area.

I doubt it…there are millions of caribou up there, wandering along their migratory path…a local would tell you pretty much exactly where the heard is at any given time…drive out to them and bang away

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Lidane Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:52:08pm

re: #180 kirkspencer

Not just quit, but did so because the press was being mean. Ask Obama, Clinton, and both Bush’s about their experience with mean reporters, none of whom experienced that much different than their predecessors.

Seriously. She quit because she couldn’t handle the media criticism and scrutiny, and people think she should run for President? LMAO. She wouldn’t last a week before she was giving a televised speech from the Oval Office crying about the lamestream media. =P

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albusteve Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:52:33pm

re: #182 albusteve

maybe not millions….more like tons I think…tons of caribou

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whitebeach Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:55:04pm

Can’t these people afford to do even a moderately real-looking fake?

I don’t know about caribou. I do know about deer. One unnatural sight, scent, or sound and they’re gone. Have caribou actually survived all these years by parading along a ridgeline like targets in a shooting gallery, then staying right there while five or six shots are fired at them? BS. This was some semidomesticated and maybe even tethered animal.

As for the rifle that supposedly wasn’t “sighted in,” how many clean shots, firing from a rest, do you need to take before you realize this? Maximum of two. My guess is that she simply didn’t know that in shooting either uphill or downhill, you need to aim a little low. (Yeah, sounds paradoxical, but it’s true.)

I won’t even get into the gun safety issues, except to say that even Dick Cheney would be a little nervous around Sarah. But then, maybe he was a half mile beyond that ridgeline and dodging incoming. Who knows? I guarantee Sarah didn’t.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:59:26pm

In the strict scientific sense we all feed on death - even vegetarians. ~Mr. Spock, Star Trek, “Wolf in the Fold”

(Just saw that for the first time.)

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Poiks Mon, Dec 6, 2010 2:29:07pm

re: #124 recusancy

People do dumb shit to appeal to the voters. See Obama bowling.

Or HRC doing a shot of Crown Royal

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Poiks Mon, Dec 6, 2010 2:30:45pm

re: #180 kirkspencer

Not just quit, but did so because the press was being mean. Ask Obama, Clinton, and both Bush’s about their experience with mean reporters, none of whom experienced that much different than their predecessors.

waaah.

It was (and is) all about the Benajmins.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Dec 6, 2010 2:37:13pm

South Park can be so prophetic sometimes.

South Park Video

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Spocomptonite Mon, Dec 6, 2010 3:12:06pm

re: #7 JeffM70

She didn’t really miss. The lame-stream media just edited the clip to make it appear that way. In reality she killed that caribou 5 times and used her teeth to tear out its heart.

She didn’t kill it 5 times. There were actually 5 caribou all in a line that were exactly the same shape and size of the caribou they were standing in front of, and she killed them all with one shot.

However, the show was pressed for time so they edited out the gutting of the other 4 caribou and of her personally hauling off all 5 caribou on her shoulders.
///
Actually a bit of my soul died watching that video of that caribou die as a publicity stunt. And I’m not even against hunting. I feel like I need to cuddle a cat or feed all the animals at the Humane Society now, and even then I’m not sure it would help.

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sagehen Mon, Dec 6, 2010 3:54:41pm

re: #164 albusteve

just playing the humble card, another fine quality for the chair…she’d take that job in a heartbeat

No she won’t.

The RNC chair’s annual salary is less than she makes in a month at Fox, and she wouldn’t be able to charge for speeches.

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sagehen Mon, Dec 6, 2010 3:57:07pm

re: #169 reine.de.tout

Setting up a kill for no better reason than you’ve got that scene scripted into your “reality” show for the impact of it, is not sportsmanlike, not one bit.

Neither is shooting wolves from a helicopter, or licensing bear kills at what used to be an eco-tourist zone where they put food out for bears to safely come eat while people took pictures.

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darthstar Mon, Dec 6, 2010 4:16:28pm

If she didn’t close her eyes every time she pulled the trigger, she might have taken that Caribou down on the first shot.

And how doped up was that thing that it didn’t run after the first shot?

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wheat-dogghazi Tue, Dec 7, 2010 2:22:05am

re: #135 wlewisiii

Or in the property next to mine. I used to live near a wooded area, and folks liked to go deer hunting there. I was trusting their shooting skills and the tree cover from having a slug whizzing through my front window. If it had been Sarah hunting, I would have taken a short trip away from home.

I’m not a hunter, but even I could tell the whole shooting thing was staged. I wasn’t watching closely enough to see how Sharpshootin’ Sarah handled the rifles, but learning that she put her finger on the trigger as soon as she was handed the gun marks her a wannabe “live off the lander.” Fake through and through.

Not that her adoring fans care. She could have accidentally shot a cameraman, and they’d still defend her, saying he got in the way.

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wheat-dogghazi Tue, Dec 7, 2010 2:27:34am

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Simple answer: the grassy knoll.

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_modok_ Tue, Dec 7, 2010 5:47:32am

This woman’s blog revolves around her hatred of Palin. She called Alaska Fish and Game Department because she did not believe the hunting claims:

http://malialitman.wordpress.com/2010/09/17/that-dog-dont-hunt/

“4. According to the Alaska Fish and Game Department, as of September 16, 2010 there was no record of a hunting license for Sarah Palin.

5. Upon further inquiry I was advised by the person employed with the Alaska Fish and Game Department that Sarah Palin had not held a license for 2008 or 2009.”

The other stuff she says about Caribou season being open is interesting too, but perhaps others comments about a game farm are right…I personally don’t know if you can shoot a Caribou out of season on a farm or not. I guess if they sell Caribou meat it does not matter how you kill it.

I saw some other article that pointed out that when Sarah did take out a license she gave the tag to a family friend so he could get more game (which though illegal is not an uncommon practice — at least it is for deer). Of course that source was from an interview involving troopergate, so it may not be too reliable.

It is clear as day that she does not hunt and I am guessing rarely fishes based on her comments (does this rifle kick). Her children also seem to be completely in the dark in the fishing episode, which I think makes it fairly obvious they don’t fish often (though I am guessing Todd does ;) ).

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KayInMaine Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:09:42am

Let me guess…the caribou are fed donuts for weeks on end and all Sarah did was what Dick Cheney does: pull up, get out of the car, and then shoot the animal who loves people now!

I didn’t watch the video obviously. LOL Sarah in my eyes has never cut the gut of a fish nor has she really killed an animal to eat. Sorry, but beauty pageant winners aren’t like this!

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