Audio: Richard Holbrooke on ‘Evil Incarnate’

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NPR’s Fresh Air had a piece on the death of veteran US diplomat Richard Holbrooke yesterday, with an audio clip from 1998 featuring Holbrooke talking about his 13-hour negotiation with genocidal Serbian war criminals Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic.

Holbrooke said it was the only time in his life that he felt the presence of “evil incarnate.” It’s an interesting listen:

It should be noted that one of the loudest voices currently defending these murderous monsters in the United States is none other than Pamela “Shrieking Harpy” Geller, who has posted dozens of articles whitewashing their crimes, often sourced from known far right Serbian apologists.

Google it if you don’t believe me.

Geller’s support for these vicious killers only makes sense if you remember that most of the victims of Milosevic, Mladic, and Karadzic were … Muslims.

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510 comments
1 samuraishake  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:45:15pm

Ugh, I couldn’t imagine what it would feel like talking to someone so evil. I’d imagine it would be like trying to interrogate Ted Bundy…or something like that…

2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:46:11pm

There have been just too many of “The worst people who have ever lived.”

3 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:46:22pm

Anyone who doubts that these voices are truly anti-Muslim, rather than anti-jihadi need look no further than the increasing whitewashing of the Balkan war.

BareNakedIslam is now running a piece about how ‘Muslims’—not Kosovars or Bosnians—were supposedly organ harvesting from prisoners during the war. I got linked to this on Facebook, and I will NOT go over there to see what proof or lack thereof they may have, because I might explode.

These people are bigoted evil bastards. And that goes for Pam too, and lots.

4 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:47:47pm

re: #1 samuraishake

Ugh, I couldn’t imagine what it would feel like talking to someone so evil. I’d imagine it would be like trying to interrogate Ted Bundy…or something like that…

Worse. Bundy was evil, but he was an aberration in his society.

These guys were leaders in theirs, and are still being hailed by people who don’t know they’re fucked-up murder groupies.

5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:48:43pm

re: #4 SanFranciscoZionist

Preach on sistah!

6 samuraishake  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:49:04pm

re: #3 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, those Pam types will do anything to justify killing a Muslim. I wonder when her followers will catch on. I’m sure at some point she’ll test them by flat out saying it, but until then I think they’re just as blinded by rage…

7 samuraishake  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:50:15pm

re: #4 SanFranciscoZionist

True; it’s nearly impossible to come up with a comparison to this, as few in the world stand on their level.

8 jamesfirecat  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:51:29pm

Wow… I’m gonna bring up someone who is on the on the other side of the interaction with Jews to make me not want to go try and grow taller with the aid of a noose….

How many of you people know the story of Chiune Sugihara?

9 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:52:49pm

re: #8 jamesfirecat

Wow… I’m gonna bring up someone who is on the on the other side of the interaction with Jews to make me not want to go try and grow taller with the aid of a noose…

How many of you people know the story of Chiune Sugihara?

I do. A great man.

10 brookly red  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:55:15pm

I have a departed friend who’s name was Tyrone. I would like to remember him by posting one of his favorite sayings…

“there are some people who you just don’t say please to”

11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:57:08pm

re: #8 jamesfirecat

Just read a bit. Wow. Righteous Among the Nations indeed.

Gosh, I love LGF!

12 SpaceJesus  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:57:39pm

Anybody that defends these types or associates with people who defend these types is not fit to call themselves anything but evil pieces of shit.

13 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:58:08pm

re: #10 brookly red

I recommend listening to the clip - sometimes there are hard reasons to talk with these people. Holbrooke did it to help bring accountability for their victims.

14 Idle Drifter  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:59:00pm

I can only imagine sitting directly across from Stalin and Hitler as possible worse. And Stalin was an “Ally” after the Soviet Union was invaded.

15 brookly red  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:59:39pm

re: #13 Charles

I recommend listening to the clip - sometimes there are hard reasons to talk with these people. Holbrooke did it to help bring accountability for their victims.

I will do so…

16 jamesfirecat  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:01:32pm

re: #11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just read a bit. Wow. Righteous Among the Nations indeed.

Gosh, I love LGF!

Oskar Schindler saved 1,200 people, and he got a movie made about him.

Chiune Sugihara saved almost six times that many, and his neighbors didn’t know what he had done until Jews from all over the world showed up at his funeral to pay his respects….

I just can’t imagine having that kind of humility… to do something so great and yet to be so nonchalant about it…

17 Idle Drifter  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:04:18pm

re: #16 jamesfirecat

Oskar Schindler saved 1,200 people, and he got a movie made about him.

Chiune Sugihara saved almost six times that many, and his neighbors didn’t know what he had done until Jews from all over the world showed up at his funeral to pay his respects…

I just can’t imagine having that kind of humility… to do something so great and yet to be so nonchalant about it…

Now I feel bad because I didn’t know about Chuine Sugihara. How many people of outstanding character got screwed out of history? Too many.

18 jamesfirecat  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:08:47pm

re: #17 Idle Drifter

Now I feel bad because I didn’t know about Chuine Sugihara. How many people of outstanding character got screwed out of history? Too many.

There’s a cracked article for that….


[Link: www.cracked.com…]

19 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:08:58pm

Great topic and interview, thanks Charles. Illuminating.

20 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:12:17pm

Chiune Sugihara from Wikipedia via The Free Dictionary.com. [Link: encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com…]

21 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:13:53pm

re: #3 SanFranciscoZionist

Anyone who doubts that these voices are truly anti-Muslim, rather than anti-jihadi need look no further than the increasing whitewashing of the Balkan war.

BareNakedIslam is now running a piece about how ‘Muslims’—not Kosovars or Bosnians—were supposedly organ harvesting from prisoners during the war. I got linked to this on Facebook, and I will NOT go over there to see what proof or lack thereof they may have, because I might explode.

These people are bigoted evil bastards. And that goes for Pam too, and lots.


wow that’s horrifying

22 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:14:39pm

re: #12 SpaceJesus

Anybody that defends these types or associates with people who defend these types is not fit to call themselves anything but evil pieces of shit.

Are you thinking of who I’m thinking of

23 Ericus58  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:16:15pm

re: #3 SanFranciscoZionist

Anyone who doubts that these voices are truly anti-Muslim, rather than anti-jihadi need look no further than the increasing whitewashing of the Balkan war.

BareNakedIslam is now running a piece about how ‘Muslims’—not Kosovars or Bosnians—were supposedly organ harvesting from prisoners during the war. I got linked to this on Facebook, and I will NOT go over there to see what proof or lack thereof they may have, because I might explode.

These people are bigoted evil bastards. And that goes for Pam too, and lots.

As I drove home today from work, I was listening to NPR which was broadcasting PRI’s The World. One of the headliners”
Kosovo rejects Hashim Thaci organ-trafficking claims
“The Kosovo government has reacted angrily to a draft report alleging that serving leaders are responsible for crimes including organ-trafficking.
The Council of Europe report names Hashim Thaci - prime minister and wartime political leader of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) - 27 times.
The human rights body’s inquiry reinforces several aspects of a 2009 BBC report into similar allegations.
Kosovo’s authorities have rejected the claims as “baseless and defamatory”.
The draft report, which is due to be published on Thursday, is the result of a two-year investigation by the special rapporteur of the Council of Europe, Dick Marty.
The EU’s police and justice mission in Kosovo (Eulex) said it would look carefully at its findings.”

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…]

24 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:18:23pm

re: #23 Ericus58

That’s why their US allies are promoting the story too. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

25 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:22:10pm

re: #2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There have been just too many of “The worst people who have ever lived.”

I have a feeling we’re just getting started.

26 brookly red  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:23:34pm

re: #25 Amory Blaine

I have a feeling we’re just getting started.

care for a top 10 list?

27 SpaceJesus  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:24:10pm

re: #22 WindUpBird


and then some

28 researchok  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:26:04pm

Should the Israelis deal with Hamas?

Holbrooke, et al, were third parties. Mladic and Karadic weren’t hunting Americans, unlike Hamas for who a primary goal is the eradicatoin not just of the State of Israel, but of Jews as well.

The Israelis deal with the PA because they have formalized recognition of Israel- ostensibly.

Hamas is a whole other ballgame, is it not?

29 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:26:37pm

re: #26 brookly red

care for a top 10 list?

Um… Caligula, Megatron, Boss Hogg, Dr. Laura, and The Master Control Program from Tron

30 laZardo  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:27:16pm

re: #2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There have been just too many of “The worst people who have ever lived.”

“You either die young, or live long enough to see yourself turn into a villain.”

/batman theme here

31 jamesfirecat  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:28:12pm

re: #29 WindUpBird

Um… Caligula, Megatron, Boss Hogg, Dr. Laura, and The Master Control Program from Tron

LUCA BLIGHT!

LUCA BLIGHT!

Oh and Professor Hojo

32 brookly red  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:28:14pm

re: #28 researchok

Should the Israelis deal with Hamas?

Holbrooke, et al, were third parties. Mladic and Karadic weren’t hunting Americans, unlike Hamas for who a primary goal is the eradicatoin not just of the State of Israel, but of Jews as well.

The Israelis deal with the PA because they have formalized recognition of Israel- ostensibly.

Hamas is a whole other ballgame, is it not?

Harshly IMO.

33 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:28:43pm

re: #30 laZardo

“You either die young, or live long enough to see yourself turn into a villain.”

/batman theme here

Ask and you shall receive

34 samuraishake  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:29:51pm

re: #33 WindUpBird

Speaking of super heroes, has anyone seen Pam Gellar in her “Wonderwoman” costume? I nearly dry-heaved.

35 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:29:52pm

re: #29 WindUpBird

oh yeah, and Scott Stapp from Creed

that guy’s worse than Stalin

36 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:30:00pm

re: #29 WindUpBird

Um… Caligula, Megatron, Boss Hogg, Dr. Laura, and The Master Control Program from Tron

Beulah Balbricker!!!!!

37 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:30:05pm

re: #34 samuraishake

Speaking of super heroes, has anyone seen Pam Gellar in her “Wonderwoman” costume? I nearly dry-heaved.

Not looking not looking

38 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:30:33pm

re: #36 Amory Blaine

YEAH!

Also, Dean Wormer!

39 jamesfirecat  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:31:03pm

re: #38 WindUpBird

YEAH!

Also, Dean Wormer!

The time has come for someone to put their foot down… and that foot is me….

40 Ericus58  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:31:20pm

re: #24 Charles

That’s why their US allies are promoting the story too. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

So, the claims being investigated of KLA activities into possible organ trafficing and Mob-like activities are not worth looking at?
This has been brought up by several groups for the past two years.

This is not to paint all Kosovo’s in this light, nor ethnic muslims in the region. It’s one specific group that happens to now run the country.

41 samuraishake  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:31:21pm

re: #37 WindUpBird

Not looking not looking

Good. It’s like the Ark from “Raiders of the Lost Ark.” Except instead of melting Nazi’s faces off, it turns them on.

42 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:31:40pm

re: #36 Amory Blaine

remember the Porky’s atari 8-bit computer game?

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:32:04pm

re: #39 jamesfirecat

The time has come for someone to put their foot down… and that foot is me…

one of the best fucking quotes of all time

that and “I’m not kidding! This is my job!”

44 laZardo  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:34:19pm

re: #37 WindUpBird

I’ve seen all kinds of bizarre furry fetishes.

And I still don’t want to look at that.

45 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:34:32pm

re: #42 WindUpBird

remember the Porky’s atari 8-bit computer game?


[Video]

That’s awesome!!

46 Linden Arden  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:35:15pm

Although I barely recollect it - the GOP opposed the Balkan intervention by Clinton/NATO in the 90s.

Yet now in these polarized times I suspect the GOP approved the slaughter of Muslims by Balkan Christians back then.

Why else would the GOP oppose this humanitarian war from the 1990s?

As a finance guy this is not my specialty - yet questions linger.

47 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:35:27pm

This is my very serious proposal for a Shadow LGF where the banned can be happy, and frolic amongst those of their demeanor:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:36:34pm

re: #44 laZardo

I’ve seen all kinds of bizarre furry fetishes.

And I still don’t want to look at that.

Well, at the end of the day, furries are escapists. And there’s no escaping from Pam Geller showing it all off. That’s a vision that will haunt you late at night in your darkened apartment

49 jamesfirecat  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:37:04pm

re: #47 WindUpBird

This is my very serious proposal for a Shadow LGF where the banned can be happy, and frolic amongst those of their demeanor:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Don’t they already do that on the Stalker blogs?

50 jamesfirecat  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:37:36pm

re: #44 laZardo

I’ve seen all kinds of bizarre furry fetishes.

And I still don’t want to look at that.

You know there are a lot of other crazy fetishes on the internet, you don’t always have to go straight for the furries…

51 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:37:42pm

re: #49 jamesfirecat

Don’t they already do that on the Stalker blogs?

Well, except for the happy frolicing part.

52 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:38:37pm

re: #49 jamesfirecat

Don’t they already do that on the Stalker blogs?

this is different. This more like a sink drain :D The idea is the banned aren’t BANNED, they just get flushed down to Bizarro LGF, and their logins still work! They just take them there instead of here :D

53 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:38:41pm

Marvel Boycotted by White Supremacists

Fundamentalist group Council of Conservative Citizens joined a boycott of the Kenneth Branagh-directed ‘Thor’, because, according to the group, Elba has no right to be playing Norse god Heimdel, because all Norse gods, real people who exist, are Aryan.

“It’s not enough that Marvel attacks conservatives values, now mythological Gods must be re-invented with black skin,” they write. “It seems that Marvel Studios believes that white people should have nothing that is unique to themselves.”

Another post attacks Marvel’s ‘Black Panther’ series for sympathizing with independent South Africa, and Kyle Rogers, who heads the Council’s South Carolina chapter, lamented, “Marvel has taken their anti-white, radical campaign even further. They cast a black man as a Norse Deity.” These people are horrible.

The Council, which calls the States “an integral part of European civilization and the European people,” and insists “the American people and government should remain European in their composition and character,” a more polite way of saying “white is right,” has now organized an online boycott of ‘Thor,’ Marvel and common decency.

54 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:39:12pm

re: #50 jamesfirecat

You know there are a lot of other crazy fetishes on the internet, you don’t always have to go straight for the furries…

haha lazardo and I have an understanding

55 laZardo  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:40:11pm

re: #50 jamesfirecat

You know there are a lot of other crazy fetishes on the internet, you don’t always have to go straight for the furries…

Believe me, I’ve seen those too.

/been on 4chan since 2007. ;_; And on their ‘wiki’ ED since 2006.

56 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:41:13pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Marvel Boycotted by White Supremacists

By way of rebuttal, let me be the first to say fuck them.

57 jamesfirecat  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:41:35pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Marvel Boycotted by White Supremacists

Wow just when you think Marvel’s numbers couldn’t get any worse….

Do White Supremacists buy that many comics in the first place?

58 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:41:43pm

re: #42 WindUpBird

remember the Porky’s atari 8-bit computer game?


[Video]

Makes me want to pull my old Ataris out of storage.

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:42:14pm

re: #23 Ericus58

As I drove home today from work, I was listening to NPR which was broadcasting PRI’s The World. One of the headliners”
Kosovo rejects Hashim Thaci organ-trafficking claims
“The Kosovo government has reacted angrily to a draft report alleging that serving leaders are responsible for crimes including organ-trafficking.
The Council of Europe report names Hashim Thaci - prime minister and wartime political leader of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) - 27 times.
The human rights body’s inquiry reinforces several aspects of a 2009 BBC report into similar allegations.
Kosovo’s authorities have rejected the claims as “baseless and defamatory”.
The draft report, which is due to be published on Thursday, is the result of a two-year investigation by the special rapporteur of the Council of Europe, Dick Marty.
The EU’s police and justice mission in Kosovo (Eulex) said it would look carefully at its findings.”

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…]

Ah, thanks.

60 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:44:26pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

61 Ericus58  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:44:29pm

re: #46 Linden Arden

Although I barely recollect it - the GOP opposed the Balkan intervention by Clinton/NATO in the 90s.

Yet now in these polarized times I suspect the GOP approved the slaughter of Muslims by Balkan Christians back then.

Why else would the GOP oppose this humanitarian war from the 1990s?

As a finance guy this is not my specialty - yet questions linger.

Way over the top. You are out-of-line.

“In Western countries, opposition to NATO’s intervention was mainly from the libertarian right, mostly from the far left. In Britain, the war was opposed by many prominent conservative figures including former UK Foreign Secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind, former Chancellor of the Exchequer Norman Lamont, and journalists Peter Hitchens and Simon Heffer, whereas opposition on the left was confined to The Morning Star newspaper and left wing MPs like Tony Benn and Alan Simpson.:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Not to mention the Chinese who played this was an attempt by the US to spread it’s influence… course, it didn’t help that we bombed their building.

62 laZardo  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:44:48pm

re: #52 WindUpBird

this is different. This more like a sink drain :D The idea is the banned aren’t BANNED, they just get flushed down to Bizarro LGF, and their logins still work! They just take them there instead of here :D

Why not just automatically redirect them to the TimeCube website and spare the effort of coding all that trash?

63 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:45:36pm

re: #50 jamesfirecat

You know there are a lot of other crazy fetishes on the internet, you don’t always have to go straight for the furries…

Because CSI showed us that furries are teh eeevil.

64 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:45:43pm

re: #40 Ericus58

So, the claims being investigated of KLA activities into possible organ trafficing and Mob-like activities are not worth looking at?
This has been brought up by several groups for the past two years.

This is not to paint all Kosovo’s in this light, nor ethnic muslims in the region. It’s one specific group that happens to now run the country.

No, it’s clearly relevant and important. I want every damn war criminal out there run down and kicked in the ass. However, it’s being used by certain parties to paint Muslims—not the KLA, but Muslims—as the bad guys of the conflict. These are the same people who shrug off atrocities by Christian groups in the same war. They claim Srbrenica was self defense. They have an agenda, and that agenda is to condemn Muslims.

The asshole who posted this to my Facebook added “Thanks, Bill Clinton, for supporting the wrong side.”

65 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:45:44pm

re: #58 b_sharp

Makes me want to pull my old Ataris out of storage.

Image: combat.jpg

66 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:46:44pm

re: #63 b_sharp

Because CSI showed us that furries are teh eeevil.

Entourage didn’t help.

67 brookly red  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:47:38pm

re: #63 b_sharp

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

no TV, no problem.

68 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:48:00pm

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Image: combat.jpg

I may have that one.

69 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:48:14pm

re: #67 brookly red

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

no TV, no problem.

70 laZardo  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:48:40pm

re: #63 b_sharp

Because CSI showed us that furries are teh eeevil.

Remixed intro:
“What the hell is a furry dead-a’ gunshot wounds doin’ out on the highway?”
“It looks like someone…has declared open season.

71 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:50:35pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Marvel Boycotted by White Supremacists

No brown ink in their comic boooks dammit!!!1!1!!

72 prairiefire  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:50:36pm

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

Gah, I can hardly stomach Facebook anymore. I only have a handful of liberal “Friends”, lots of conservative high school classmates.

73 Ericus58  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:50:45pm

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

No, it’s clearly relevant and important. I want every damn war criminal out there run down and kicked in the ass. However, it’s being used by certain parties to paint Muslims—not the KLA, but Muslims—as the bad guys of the conflict. These are the same people who shrug off atrocities by Christian groups in the same war. They claim Srbrenica was self defense. They have an agenda, and that agenda is to condemn Muslims.

The asshole who posted this to my Facebook added “Thanks, Bill Clinton, for supporting the wrong side.”

No, the US DID support the right side in coming to the aid of the Kosovo’s - Clinton had it right. Srbrenica was terrible… and if memory serves me right, A NATO force under the command of a European pretty much stayed on the sidelines during the whole terrible episode. Sure, they were out-gunned but they did nothing to remotely halt the slaughtering.

I was still in the USN reserves… I very much remember some of the oplanning that went on in case my unit was called up.

74 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:52:35pm

re: #71 Amory Blaine

No brown ink in their comic boooks dammit!!!1!1!!

Lucas Cage is right out.

75 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:52:59pm

U.S. Tries to Build Case for Conspiracy by WikiLeaks

WASHINGTON — Federal prosecutors, seeking to build a case against the WikiLeaks leader Julian Assange for his role in a huge dissemination of classified government documents, are looking for evidence of any collusion in his early contacts with an Army intelligence analyst suspected of leaking the information.

ustice Department officials are trying to find out whether Mr. Assange encouraged or even helped the analyst, Pfc. Bradley Manning, to extract classified military and State Department files from a government computer system. If he did so, they believe they could charge him as a conspirator in the leak, not just as a passive recipient of the documents who then published them.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:53:04pm

And on the lighter side of interfaith conflicts…

Well, maybe not. I’m worried about what will happen to the woman.

A man had sex with a Filipina three times while trying to convert her to Islam, a criminal court heard yesterday.

MGG, an Egyptian who lives in Abu Dhabi, appeared before the Abu Dhabi Criminal Court of First Instance charged with having sex outside of wedlock.

77 darthstar  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:54:03pm

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Image: combat.jpg

I liked Combat okay, but Space Invaders from the 78 version of Atari was the best…of course, a year or two later, Nintendo came out with their 8-bit game console, with simulated animation (Dungeons and Dragons where the stick figure actually looked like he was running)…and that was the shit, man…that was hi-tech.

78 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:54:28pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

Well if it took 3x ….

79 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:54:49pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

And on the lighter side of interfaith conflicts…

Well, maybe not. I’m worried about what will happen to the woman.

A man had sex with a Filipina three times while trying to convert her to Islam, a criminal court heard yesterday.

MGG, an Egyptian who lives in Abu Dhabi, appeared before the Abu Dhabi Criminal Court of First Instance charged with having sex outside of wedlock.

I’ve never thought of using sex to convert people. I wonder what it would take to convert a few ladies to atheism?

80 brookly red  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:55:26pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

And on the lighter side of interfaith conflicts…

Well, maybe not. I’m worried about what will happen to the woman.

A man had sex with a Filipina three times while trying to convert her to Islam, a criminal court heard yesterday.

MGG, an Egyptian who lives in Abu Dhabi, appeared before the Abu Dhabi Criminal Court of First Instance charged with having sex outside of wedlock.

I am thinking a forth time…

81 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:56:28pm

re: #75 ozbloke

U.S. Tries to Build Case for Conspiracy by WikiLeaks

WASHINGTON — Federal prosecutors, seeking to build a case against the WikiLeaks leader Julian Assange for his role in a huge dissemination of classified government documents, are looking for evidence of any collusion in his early contacts with an Army intelligence analyst suspected of leaking the information.

ustice Department officials are trying to find out whether Mr. Assange encouraged or even helped the analyst, Pfc. Bradley Manning, to extract classified military and State Department files from a government computer system. If he did so, they believe they could charge him as a conspirator in the leak, not just as a passive recipient of the documents who then published them.

I was just reading that one. There’s some interesting stuff in there.It looks like they have chat logs of conversations between Assange and Manning.

82 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:57:02pm

re: #80 brookly red

I am thinking a forth time…

FORTH?

83 shai_au  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:57:27pm

I’ve just been reading some DADT threads over at Hot Air.

The bile is astounding.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:57:57pm

re: #79 b_sharp

I’ve never thought of using sex to convert people. I wonder what it would take to convert a few ladies to atheism?

What’s the worst thing that could happen? If you fail, it’s not like the other atheists will flog you over it. Plus, you’ll have had sex.

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:58:23pm

re: #80 brookly red

I am thinking a forth time…

Never give up! That’s the message God is sending by not softening her heart on the first three tries!

86 brookly red  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:58:38pm

re: #79 b_sharp

I’ve never thought of using sex to convert people. I wonder what it would take to convert a few ladies to atheism?

/well if they don’t scream OMG I guess you are there dude…

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:59:03pm

And, from another Facebook pal:

I overheard someone recounting how he brought his daughter to shul one shabbos wearing a summery dress with a hem that ended above the child’s knee. The rabbi, a bemedalled guardian of Torah-true Judaism, protested in the name of the Lord asking this father to remove his daughter from the house of God. The father responded, “how about you stop looking at my six year old daughter’s legs?”

88 jamesfirecat  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:59:04pm

re: #79 b_sharp

I’ve never thought of using sex to convert people. I wonder what it would take to convert a few ladies to atheism?

You don’t want to use to convert ladies to atheism. Cause if you’re doing your job right they’re bound to see God at the end.

(Bah-dum-tish)

89 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:00:37pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

I was just reading that one. There’s some interesting stuff in there.It looks like they have chat logs of conversations between Assange and Manning.

And I believe a time for Assange’s appeal has been set for tomorrow.

90 brookly red  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:01:22pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

Never give up! That’s the message God is sending by not softening her heart on the first three tries!

I am worried more by the precedent…

why did you do -_________ to that person?

uhhh I was trying to convert them?

Oh, OK carry on.

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:03:29pm

re: #90 brookly red

I am worried more by the precedent…

why did you do -___ to that person?

uhhh I was trying to convert them?

Oh, OK carry on.

Ya know, as long as it’s consensual, missionaries can knock themselves out.

I’m not saying I’d convert to Islam because I had a really great backrub, but I wouldn’t presume to stop someone from trying. If they really felt it was their religious duty.

(I’m also not saying I’d convert to Islam if someone did my dishes. But once again…)

92 Ericus58  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:06:19pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

Ya know, as long as it’s consensual, missionaries can knock themselves out.

I’m not saying I’d convert to Islam because I had a really great backrub, but I wouldn’t presume to stop someone from trying. If they really felt it was their religious duty.

(I’m also not saying I’d convert to Islam if someone did my dishes. But once again…)

Tell him to get off the couch and get busy busting up some suds ;)

93 brookly red  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:06:21pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

Ya know, as long as it’s consensual, missionaries can knock themselves out.

I’m not saying I’d convert to Islam because I had a really great backrub, but I wouldn’t presume to stop someone from trying. If they really felt it was their religious duty.

(I’m also not saying I’d convert to Islam if someone did my dishes. But once again…)

/I suggest we refrain from disusing and pretend not to know each other…

94 What, me worry?  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:06:31pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

And, from another Facebook pal:

I overheard someone recounting how he brought his daughter to shul one shabbos wearing a summery dress with a hem that ended above the child’s knee. The rabbi, a bemedalled guardian of Torah-true Judaism, protested in the name of the Lord asking this father to remove his daughter from the house of God. The father responded, “how about you stop looking at my six year old daughter’s legs?”

Well, I heard another person’s cousin’s brother say it didn’t happen that way at all.

95 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:08:14pm

re: #86 brookly red

/well if they don’t scream OMG I guess you are there dude…

More like ‘what the hell is that?’

Which is pretty secular I guess.

96 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:08:56pm

1 degree of separation.

Middle: Richard Holbrooke
Right: Rep. Benjamin Gilman
Left: Alouette’s son, “The UNRabbi”

97 laZardo  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:10:12pm

brb late breakfast

98 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:10:13pm

UK police investigate WikiLeaks supporters

“Earlier this year the Metropolitan Police Service received a number of allegations of ‘denial-of-service’ cyber attacks against several companies by a group calling themselves Anonymous. We are investigating these criminal allegations and our investigation is ongoing,” the Met said in a statement.

“The Metropolitan Police Service is monitoring the situation relating to recent and ongoing denial of service attacks and will investigate where appropriate.”

An internet advisory group to the European Union also warned on Wednesday that the spate of leaks, attacks and counter-attacks raised “important implications for information security”.

99 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:10:50pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

And, from another Facebook pal:

I overheard someone recounting how he brought his daughter to shul one shabbos wearing a summery dress with a hem that ended above the child’s knee. The rabbi, a bemedalled guardian of Torah-true Judaism, protested in the name of the Lord asking this father to remove his daughter from the house of God. The father responded, “how about you stop looking at my six year old daughter’s legs?”

Look at my twenty-three year old daughter’s legs. Please! She wants you to.

100 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:11:37pm

re: #99 Alouette

Look at my twenty-three year old daughter’s legs. Please! She wants you to.

We need photos.

101 lostlakehiker  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:12:45pm
the victims of Milosevic, Mladic, and Karadzic were … Muslims.

Oh, evil incarnate casts a wider net than that. Milosevic looted Yugoslavia wholesale, concentrating all the wealth in Serb hands by various tricks that a national government can play on the provinces.

When these rose in rebellion, he waged war on them. Before the war on Bosnia, there was the war on Croatia. Catholics took their turn in the gunsights of Milosevic and his henchmen, and that turn came to an end only with a military victory by the Croats.

Movie titled “Vukovar”

102 lostlakehiker  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:14:12pm

re: #99 Alouette

Look at my twenty-three year old daughter’s legs. Please! She wants you to.

Women’s legs are proof that God loves men and wants them to be happy.

103 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:16:37pm

Programming alert:

I have no experience coding html and I need to link input fields on a web page to MySQL. How do I do it?

104 brookly red  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:17:35pm

re: #103 b_sharp

see w3schools.org

105 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:18:08pm

EU seeks proof that Kosovo military group harvested organs

A European investigator alleges that the Kosovo Liberation Army sold detainees’ kidneys and that Prime Minister Hashim Thaci was once the boss of a criminal underworld behind such grisly trade.

106 brookly red  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:18:20pm

re: #102 lostlakehiker

Women’s legs are proof that God loves men and wants them to be happy.

/so then vocal chords are…

107 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:18:30pm

re: #103 b_sharp

Programming alert:

I have no experience coding html and I need to link input fields on a web page to MySQL. How do I do it?

You set up a DSN on your server and make an ODBC call to your database using a SQL command.

108 lostlakehiker  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:19:51pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Marvel Boycotted by White Supremacists

I’ll go a little way out on to the limb of atheism and witness that there is no God named Thor. Neither a White Thor, nor a Black Thor, nor even a Puthy Running Thor.

109 brookly red  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:20:19pm

re: #107 Alouette

You set up a DSN on your server and make an ODBC call to your database using a SQL command.

or you could hire Alouette…

110 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:20:47pm

re: #104 brookly red

see w3schools.org

Thanks Brookly.

111 lostlakehiker  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:21:03pm

re: #106 brookly red

/so then vocal chords are…

More proof—-laughter and song involve vocal chords.

112 brookly red  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:21:26pm

re: #108 lostlakehiker

I’ll go a little way out on to the limb of atheism and witness that there is no God named Thor. Neither a White Thor, nor a Black Thor, nor even a Puthy Running Thor.

/lightning kills one in park, film at 11:00…

113 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:21:31pm

re: #103 b_sharp

Programming alert:

I have no experience coding html and I need to link input fields on a web page to MySQL. How do I do it?

Not sure where to start as it can’t be explained here and I only know PHP.

The values of your form fields will be in the $_POST array and you can access them via their names. Does that help any?

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:21:51pm

re: #108 lostlakehiker

I’ll go a little way out on to the limb of atheism and witness that there is no God named Thor. Neither a White Thor, nor a Black Thor, nor even a Puthy Running Thor.

I’d mention this story to some of my Asatru friends, but I’m afraid their heads would explode.

115 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:22:59pm

re: #107 Alouette

You set up a DSN on your server and make an ODBC call to your database using a SQL command.

Why didn’t I think of that? ;P

My server is Linux, not Windoz.

116 What, me worry?  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:23:10pm

re: #108 lostlakehiker

I’ll go a little way out on to the limb of atheism and witness that there is no God named Thor. Neither a White Thor, nor a Black Thor, nor even a Puthy Running Thor.

Somewhere Stan Lee is LFAO :>

117 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:23:41pm

re: #108 lostlakehiker

I’ll go a little way out on to the limb of atheism and witness that there is no God named Thor. Neither a White Thor, nor a Black Thor, nor even a Puthy Running Thor.

Anthropologically speaking, Thor is just as much a God as any other faith, even though his period of active worship has passed.

He’s about as valid as any other God

118 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:25:04pm

re: #113 CuriousLurker

Not sure where to start as it can’t be explained here and I only know PHP.

The values of your form fields will be in the $_POST array and you can access them via their names. Does that help any?

yah, gives me a starting point.

119 What, me worry?  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:25:14pm

re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Anthropologically speaking, Thor is just as much a God as any other faith, even though his period of active worship has passed.

He’s about as valid as any other God

Yea, but they all don’t have a bitchin hammer.

120 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:26:22pm

re: #118 b_sharp

yah, gives me a starting point.

I can email you a PHP example if you want.

121 Ericus58  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:26:30pm

re: #102 lostlakehiker

Women’s legs are proof that God loves men and wants them to be happy.

I always thought that pertained to beer… but I approve!

122 lostlakehiker  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:27:06pm

re: #16 jamesfirecat

Oskar Schindler saved 1,200 people, and he got a movie made about him.

Chiune Sugihara saved almost six times that many, and his neighbors didn’t know what he had done until Jews from all over the world showed up at his funeral to pay his respects…

I just can’t imagine having that kind of humility… to do something so great and yet to be so nonchalant about it…

The interesting thing about Schindler is that he wasn’t a born saint. He was a man of several failings, faithless in marriage and prone to bad business judgment. Most of us aren’t outstanding at anything, and we never make much of a splash. Not that there’s anything shameful in that; most of the flow of a river is not in the spray, not in the rapids, maybe not even in the channel but as seepage in the mud alongside. Our name is legion.

But the flip side of that is, if fate puts you in a position to do something big, know that you don’t have to be big to do it. You can be mortal. You can be flawed up one side and down the other. S’OK. Just do it.

123 brookly red  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:27:32pm

re: #121 Ericus58

I always thought that pertained to beer… but I approve!

the beer has to get here somehow…

124 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:27:39pm

re: #119 marjoriemoon

Yea, but they all don’t have a bitchin hammer.

Ball pein hammers just don’t quite cut it.

125 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:28:16pm

re: #120 CuriousLurker

I can email you a PHP example if you want.

Yes, that would be a help.

126 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:29:00pm

re: #122 lostlakehiker

The interesting thing about Schindler is that he wasn’t a born saint. He was a man of several failings, faithless in marriage and prone to bad business judgment. Most of us aren’t outstanding at anything, and we never make much of a splash. Not that there’s anything shameful in that; most of the flow of a river is not in the spray, not in the rapids, maybe not even in the channel but as seepage in the mud alongside. Our name is legion.

But the flip side of that is, if fate puts you in a position to do something big, know that you don’t have to be big to do it. You can be mortal. You can be flawed up one side and down the other. S’OK. Just do it.

Ideas of sainthood vary.

The Catholic Church would not consider Schindler a saint, and Maximilian Schell would not be mentioned at Yad Vashem.

127 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:30:02pm

re: #125 b_sharp

Yes, that would be a help.

K, give me about 15 minutes to fix a cuppa coffee and dig one up. I’ll send it to the b_sharp addy as a zip attachment.

128 Ericus58  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:32:32pm

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

EU seeks proof that Kosovo military group harvested organs

I think there is enough evidence to support that crimes were committed on both sides - The Serbs having a much larger proportion.

War is War.

129 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:32:37pm

I watched “Hell’s Kitchen” for the first (and last) time. They should call it “The 3 Stooges in a Restaurant.”

Curley won.

130 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:32:39pm

re: #122 lostlakehiker

The interesting thing about Schindler is that he wasn’t a born saint.

To me, this is the most important part of his story. He wasn’t a saint after the war either. But when it counted the very most, he lived up to being human. And that is the most godlike any of us can be.

131 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:33:42pm

re: #122 lostlakehiker

The interesting thing about Schindler is that he wasn’t a born saint.

Everybody is born a saint. They just screw it up later.

132 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:34:32pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

K, give me about 15 minutes to fix a cuppa coffee and dig one up. I’ll send it to the b_sharp addy as a zip attachment.

Thanks.

133 brookly red  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:35:17pm

re: #131 Alouette

Everybody is born a saint. They just screw it up later.

and I have some screwing up to do…

later all.

134 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:36:25pm

re: #129 Alouette

I watched “Hell’s Kitchen” for the first (and last) time. They should call it “The 3 Stooges in a Restaurant.”

Curley won.

It was a really bad season this year. I think the show is played out. Some of Gordon Ramsay’s UK shows have been pretty good, the US versions aren’t that great.

135 lostlakehiker  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:36:35pm

re: #73 Ericus58

No, the US DID support the right side in coming to the aid of the Kosovo’s - Clinton had it right. Srbrenica was terrible… and if memory serves me right, A NATO force under the command of a European pretty much stayed on the sidelines during the whole terrible episode. Sure, they were out-gunned but they did nothing to remotely halt the slaughtering.

I was still in the USN reserves… I very much remember some of the oplanning that went on in case my unit was called up.

Being outgunned is not a license to surrender. Time and again, a few men with the nerve to make a fight of it have twisted the tail of history.

Had the Dutch stood their ground, there might well not have been a massacre at Srebrenica. Bullies like easy meat, not a fight that even if they win it will be just the prelude to a bigger fight they can’t win.

Had the Dutch stood their ground and died fighting, that would have fairly quickly brought NATO into the war. Within a week or two, a U.S./Dutch/Danish/British/Danish task force would have been at the gates of Milosevic’s official residence to bring him in for trial. And depose him.

The Germans would, for historical reasons, have been given the less than challenging task of managing the supply lines through Germany and transport of the wounded to hospitals there.

Fighting when the fight is hopeless is not for everybody. The Dutch desire to escape with their own skins is understandable. But they did miss a chance to do the right thing.

136 jaunte  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:39:18pm

Chuck Jordan, Innovative G.M. Designer, Dies at 83

“We deal with design — an intangible and emotional subject,” he said in an interview with Automotive News at the time of his retirement in 1992. “There are no rules or steps to success. It’s a matter of opinion. This isn’t research or engineering with computer programs and hard data.

“Words may not communicate it exactly. You gotta see it and feel it. We deal with an emotion.”

Mr. Jordan fought to retain the pre-eminence of designers in Detroit decision-making, against engineers, brand managers and market researchers. He loathed focus groups.

“A good designer doesn’t need Mr. and Mrs. Zilch from Kansas telling him what to do.”
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:40:16pm

re: #129 Alouette

I watched “Hell’s Kitchen” for the first (and last) time. They should call it “The 3 Stooges in a Restaurant.”

Curley won.

I love that show. I also like “Master Chef”.

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:41:00pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

It was a really bad season this year. I think the show is played out. Some of Gordon Ramsay’s UK shows have been pretty good, the US versions aren’t that great.

I didn’t like this season as well, no. The irritating woman with the glasses and the blond hair was, well, irritating.

139 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:43:19pm

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

I didn’t like this season as well, no. The irritating woman with the glasses and the blond hair was, well, irritating.

I was kind of cheering for the fat girl to win, and she did.

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:45:06pm

re: #139 Alouette

I was kind of cheering for the fat girl to win, and she did.

Nona? Oh, good.

141 Ericus58  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:45:17pm

Army ‘birther’ changes course, says he’d deploy

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Putz.

142 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:45:47pm

re: #141 Ericus58

Army ‘birther’ changes course, says he’d deploy

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Putz.

Well, that’s mighty…never mind. I won’t say it.

143 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:46:17pm

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

I didn’t like this season as well, no. The irritating woman with the glasses and the blond hair was, well, irritating.

My problem with the show is that you can’t tell who the good chefs are. Some people are there because of personality and some are there because they can cook.
The UK version of reality shows have just a little more reality to them.

144 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:48:17pm

re: #55 laZardo

Believe me, I’ve seen those too.

/been on 4chan since 2007. ;_; And on their ‘wiki’ ED since 2006.

You’re on ED? My friends are but I’m not :D

145 What, me worry?  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:49:16pm

As a slight interruption… if you haven’t thought about it already, it would be nice to remember LGF this time of year with a little holiday “cheer” for Charles. Especially if you post often or have Pages. He works awfully hard all year long so we can have the privilege of posting our own inane ramblings.

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming :>

146 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:51:49pm

re: #145 marjoriemoon

And, for $10 a month you can view LGF ad free. Way less than you cable TV bill, and the content is superior.
Sure, I’ll shill for Charles.
He doesn’t do it enough for himself, IMHO.
Thanks for the poke, Marjoriemoon!

147 What, me worry?  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:52:48pm

re: #146 Floral Giraffe

And, for $10 a month you can view LGF ad free. Way less than you cable TV bill, and the content is superior.
Sure, I’ll shill for Charles.
He doesn’t do it enough for himself, IMHO.
Thanks for the poke, Marjoriemoon!

Backatcha, babe!

148 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:53:24pm

re: #147 marjoriemoon

Backatcha, babe!

*Ouch, not so hard*
///

149 What, me worry?  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:54:44pm

re: #148 Floral Giraffe

*Ouch, not so hard*
///

Totally unsolicited, but I figure everyone can use a poke now and again.

150 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:55:32pm

You two crazy kids.

151 Ericus58  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:55:40pm

Thanks for the evening, all. Be well and happy.

152 jamesfirecat  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:57:52pm

re: #141 Ericus58

Army ‘birther’ changes course, says he’d deploy

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Putz.

“A number of supporters who have been present throughout the court martial, which began Tuesday, said they were disappointed with the court martial and the fact that a military judge refused to let Lakin present evidence about Obama’s birth certificate during it,”

Oh joy…

153 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:00:06pm

re: #152 jamesfirecat

“A number of supporters who have been present throughout the court martial, which began Tuesday, said they were disappointed with the court martial and the fact that a military judge refused to let Lakin present evidence about Obama’s birth certificate during it,”

Oh joy…

Damn Officers not letting them put Obama on trial.
///

154 What, me worry?  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:02:45pm

Speaking of Holbrooke, my mom sent me this today.

Richard Holbrooke was a friend to Israel

Born to a mother whose family was Jewish, he grew up an atheist but an idealist. He was not prominently involved in American-Israeli relations, but in a column in the Washington Post two years ago, he wrote that President Truman should be admired for having recognized Israel as a state in 1948.

His article also shed light on the deep animosity of the State Department towards Israel that has plagued Israeli governments ever since.

“In the celebrations next week surrounding Israel’s 60th anniversary, it should not be forgotten that there was an epic struggle in Washington over how to respond to Israel’s declaration of independence on May 14, 1948,” Holbrooke wrote.

Holbrooke added that despite the arguments and political considerations, “Israel was going to come into existence whether or not Washington recognized it. But without American support from the very beginning, Israel’s survival would have been at even greater risk…. Truman’s decision, although opposed by almost the entire foreign policy establishment, was the right one — and despite complicated consequences that continue to this day, it is a decision all Americans should recognize and admire.”

Read the whole thing when you can.

155 What, me worry?  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:06:22pm

Off to bed. Sleep well my lizard brethren.

156 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:09:43pm

I’m off to bed too.

CuriousLurker, if you are still around, you can send that snippet whenever you want. I really appreciate the help.

The email addy is b_sharp at beadtothebone dot ca

157 freetoken  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:18:51pm

I’m feeling an overwhelming need to go doomer.

158 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:22:02pm

re: #157 freetoken

I’m feeling an overwhelming need to go doomer.


159 TedStriker  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:34:58pm

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

By way of rebuttal, let me be the first to say fuck them.

Motion seconded…

160 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:46:37pm

American wanted poster for Milosevic, Mladic, and Karadic.

Milosevic was turned over the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in 2001 and died in his cell in 2006. Karadic was captured in 2008 and is in jail awaiting the completion of his trial. Mladic is still at large, though there are many rumors of his death. The American reward still stands and Serbia is offering 10 million Euros.

161 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:48:59pm

re: #156 b_sharp

I’m off to bed too.

CuriousLurker, if you are still around, you can send that snippet whenever you want. I really appreciate the help.

The email addy is b_sharp at beadtothebone dot ca

Okay. In case you check back for some reason, it’s been sent.

162 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:49:59pm

I guess I’m gonna go too. Nite, lizards.

163 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:56:17pm

re: #141 Ericus58

Army ‘birther’ changes course, says he’d deploy

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Putz.

Hey, Lakin, you sorry-ass deserter, you haven’t made a statement of anything but your own gullibility. You sacrificed you career, disgraced your family, and abandoned your fellow soldiers to advance the career of a cheap hustler named Joseph Farah and his lowest common denominator nut-site, World Net Daily. It was a lot for nothing.

164 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:58:47pm

re: #30 laZardo

“You either die young, or live long enough to see yourself turn into a villain.”

/batman theme here

I think the quote was “You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”

165 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:59:11pm

I dig smart chicks….
Doodling in Math Class: Infinity Elephants

166 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:04:07pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

I dig smart chicks…
Doodling in Math Class: Infinity Elephants

[Video]

the subject of the day in her notes looks like it says ‘WTF series’

167 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:05:13pm

고등학생의하루


Namaste, y’all
168 TedStriker  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:11:58pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

I dig smart chicks…
Doodling in Math Class: Infinity Elephants

[Video]

She’s a cutie…women with brains are hot

See also: Danica McKeller (Winnie from The Wonder Years)…actress, published mathematician, and author.

169 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:31:06pm

And to all the Stalkers out there who think that Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic are heroes because they were killing Muslims, I say that you’re sick and depraved and should seriously take a look at who you’re defending. But of course you won’t do that. I’ll just be more butthurt and hate, as usual.

Genocidal murders are not heroes, and people who think they are are themselves evildoers.

170 BryanS  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:36:04pm

I haven’t really gotten wound up by the Pam Geller shrieking harpy meme on this blog, but I read a posting on her site as suggested in the google link in the lead. I skipped all her protestation posts claiming she was not defending mass murderers and read a post from July 10/11 where she defends mass murderers. Damn, is she crazy.

171 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:38:13pm

re: #170 BryanS

I haven’t really gotten wound up by the Pam Geller shrieking harpy meme on this blog, but I read a posting on her site as suggested in the google link in the lead. I skipped all her protestation posts claiming she was not defending mass murderers and read a post from July 10/11 where she defends mass murderers. Damn, is she crazy.

It’s not really insanity, its utter hate. She thinks that Muslims have no rights that Christians or Jews should be bound to respect. She thinks as long as someone is Muslim, they are subhuman. This is exactly the same mindset as the jihadis we are fighting.

172 BryanS  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:40:35pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

It’s not really insanity, its utter hate. She thinks that Muslims have no rights that Christians or Jews should be bound to respect. She thinks as long as someone is Muslim, they are subhuman. This is exactly the same mindset as the jihadis we are fighting.

It is—a real eye for an eye mentality. There are serious problems within the Muslim faith, to be sure, but most Muslims are not jihadis.

173 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:41:56pm

re: #172 BryanS

It is—a real eye for an eye mentality. There are serious problems within the Muslim faith, to be sure, but most Muslims are not jihadis.

Agreed. But Geller thinks that the key to stopping monsters is to become a monster yourself.

174 BryanS  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:45:28pm

re: #173 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. But Geller thinks that the key to stopping monsters is to become a monster yourself.

ANd nothing has changed on her site since July. It’s gotten even more rabid. Just looking at her current front page, it is all anti Muslim screeching. Shrieking harpy really is the best description for her.

175 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:47:36pm

re: #174 BryanS

ANd nothing has changed on her site since July. It’s gotten even more rabid. Just looking at her current front page, it is all anti Muslim screeching. Shrieking harpy really is the best description for her.

Quite Concur.

176 BryanS  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:49:40pm

Quiet night.

177 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:51:51pm

re: #176 BryanS

Quiet night.

The sane ones are out doing their Christmas shopping instead of sitting here avoiding work. (like me)

178 BryanS  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:52:56pm

re: #177 EmmmieG

The sane ones are out doing their Christmas shopping instead of sitting here avoiding work. (like me)

But there are 10 days left yet…the shopping can wait another week :)

179 BryanS  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:54:05pm

Just reviewing the front page posts, I see Michael Moore continues to beclown himself by bailing out ASSange.

180 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:54:07pm

re: #178 BryanS

But there are 10 days left yet…the shopping can wait another week :)

I know people who finish in August.

181 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:54:14pm

That was fascinating. Can’t imagine what it was like for Holbrooke and the others to have to actually meet face to face with people like that. It disturbs me that some people really have no problem with what Milosevic did in the Balkans because his victims were Muslims. They have not learned the lessons the world learned in the Holocaust. Sad to hear of Mr. Holbrooke’s death. Most of his career was before I was really in to global affairs.

182 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:54:52pm

re: #178 BryanS

Spoken like a TRUE male.
Get it done, with a list.
Then you have time to wrap it.

183 BryanS  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:55:13pm

re: #180 EmmmieG

I know people who finish in August.

I hate shopping in general—put it off as long as I can and try to get it all done at once.

184 BryanS  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:56:29pm

re: #182 Floral Giraffe

Spoken like a TRUE male.
Get it done, with a list.
Then you have time to wrap it.

lol…yup.

185 freetoken  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:56:48pm

re: #178 BryanS

But there are 10 days left yet…the shopping can wait another week :)

Well, you’ve only got 9 more shopping days left…

186 BryanS  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:58:53pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

That was fascinating. Can’t imagine what it was like for Holbrooke and the others to have to actually meet face to face with people like that. It disturbs me that some people really have no problem with what Milosevic did in the Balkans because his victims were Muslims. They have not learned the lessons the world learned in the Holocaust. Sad to hear of Mr. Holbrooke’s death. Most of his career was before I was really in to global affairs.

Holbrooke was one of those rare high profile officials respected across the political spectrum. It does seem his departure will be sorely missed by the US and all the parties he worked with in the Afghani neighborhood.

187 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:59:44pm

re: #185 freetoken

I am so very very glad that I am not in retail anymore.
The last 5-6 years have just well, not been good.
And, the only way to try to pry the money out of consumers pockets is discounting. NOT a good way to make profits

188 lostlakehiker  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:02:02pm

re: #168 talon_262

She’s a cutie…women with brains are hot

See also: Danica McKeller (Winnie from The Wonder Years)…actress, published mathematician, and author.

There’s more, of course. prize winner as an undergrad to boot

189 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:02:32pm

re: #187 Floral Giraffe

I am so very very glad that I am not in retail anymore.
The last 5-6 years have just well, not been good.
And, the only way to try to pry the money out of consumers pockets is discounting. NOT a good way to make profits

You and me both, sister. I finally got that sale at work I was looking for, and I may get another tomorrow. I have much better working environment now than I did at Sprint. I loved my co-workers and the commute was easy, but dealing with irate customers is the pits.

190 BryanS  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:03:47pm

re: #187 Floral Giraffe

I am so very very glad that I am not in retail anymore.
The last 5-6 years have just well, not been good.
And, the only way to try to pry the money out of consumers pockets is discounting. NOT a good way to make profits


All those “specials” marking things down 50+ % makes me wonder who actually ever pays 100% ? The specials are just marketing ploys.

191 freetoken  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:08:09pm

re: #187 Floral Giraffe

I am so very very glad that I am not in retail anymore.
The last 5-6 years have just well, not been good.

Roaming around the San Diego region one can find many stores - small ones, large ones - that have gone out of business these last few years. There’s certainly no shortage of available commercial real estate around here.

I do think the big-box retail chains have changed retail enough that we don’t see store owners as people anymore. The other day I bought a birthday gift for a family member, and got it at a specialty shop where the owner still sits behind the counter helping customers.

192 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:08:36pm

re: #190 BryanS

Yes, as a buyer, one of the things we strategized was the pricing.
My family all got one gift for Christmas, the rest came at the 50% off after Christmas pricing. It’s an artificial holiday, way over commercialized.

193 freetoken  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:09:08pm

re: #190 BryanS

The supermarkets have been using the artificial “real price” ploy for some years now. When I see something on sale I also notice the non-sale “price” sometimes magically goes up.

194 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:10:56pm

re: #191 freetoken

Roaming around the San Diego region one can find many stores - small ones, large ones - that have gone out of business these last few years. There’s certainly no shortage of available commercial real estate around here.

I do think the big-box retail chains have changed retail enough that we don’t see store owners as people anymore. The other day I bought a birthday gift for a family member, and got it at a specialty shop where the owner still sits behind the counter helping customers.

Yes, the retail world is very different, than it was 5 years ago.
Personal attention, and personal buying makes or breaks a small store.
And for the most part, they are either very small stores, or huge chains.
There’s not a lot in between.

195 freetoken  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:12:42pm

re: #192 Floral Giraffe

It’s an artificial holiday, way over commercialized.

Winter solstice:

196 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:13:44pm

re: #193 freetoken

The supermarkets have been using the artificial “real price” ploy for some years now. When I see something on sale I also notice the non-sale “price” sometimes magically goes up.

SHOCKA!
Now, watch the price between chains! Here in LALA land, ALbertsons is desperately trying to “rebrand” itself, mostly with higher prices.

197 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:17:11pm

re: #196 Floral Giraffe

SHOCKA!
Now, watch the price between chains! Here in LALA land, ALbertsons is desperately trying to “rebrand” itself, mostly with higher prices.

Here in Chicagoland, they do business as Jewel. I do most of my grocery shopping there, though, since they have the products I like. For the more rare items my mother sometimes seeks (I seldom cook, so I can just make do with standard items), my parents will go to Whole Foods or Treasure Island.

198 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:21:19pm

Be well, sleep tight.
As KT says, Namaste.

199 freetoken  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:22:16pm

re: #196 Floral Giraffe

Over the years I’ve often shopped at Albertson’s - for a supermarket chain they were the local competition to the Von’s, both before and after Safeway bought out the Von’s stores/brands.

The one company that I think has horrible service and stores is Kroeger, and their brands here (Ralph’s, Food4Less) can have quite crappy stores outside of the tony areas (La Jolla.) I can see where Albertson’s could position themselves up-market from Ralph’s.

I miss my local produce and food markets I used in Japan. The food was better. Yes, it really was, especially the produce.

The local chain “Boney’s” was bought out years ago by the “organic” food giant and while it offers a different selection of produce overall it is not much of an improvement over what I find in the supermarkets.

There are few small produce outlets around San Diego that might sell food grown in the county, but none are near me. I know of one owned by an organic farmer in north county but I doubt he’ll stay in business much longer as he is near retirement and there is no one to take over.

200 Soap_Man  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:26:09pm

Just passing through, but I thought the crowd here would enjoy this. Part of the Onion’s People of the Year thing:

Terry Jones - Could Have At Least Manned Up And Burned One Koran

With the gaze of the whole world fixed on his small Gainesville, FL–based Dove World Outreach Center this Sept. 11, Pastor Terry Jones shocked an anxious media by calling off his threat to burn 200 copies of the Koran, which is bullshit, really, because the guy should have at least had the balls to torch one measly copy. Right? If Jones, or anyone, wants to get a few hundred million people all riled up on the anniversary of a major national tragedy by saying he’s going to burn a Koran, he’d better step up to the goddamn plate and burn a fucking Koran. Just to show the world he’s not wasting everybody’s time, if for no other reason. At least hold a match up to it and make a few hand motions like you’re gonna do it, you know? Jesus Christ, something! Instead, Terry Jones totally wimped out in front of dozens of international news crews who were all just sitting there waiting patiently to catch one holy book going up in flames. Just one! But nope. He couldn’t do it. In the end, 2010’s biggest coward simply didn’t have the stones to go through with it. Pussy.

201 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:42:17pm

The Assumption Song

202 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 11:03:42pm

Goodnight, all.

203 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 15, 2010 11:14:07pm

re: #168 talon_262

She’s a cutie…women with brains are hot

oh my god!

i followed the link and took a look at vi hart’s page - she says she’s a math major and a musician. so i watcher her mobius strip music box video, which is very cool. then right at the end in the credits it says recording by eric demain

eric demain!

he’s a professor of computer science at MIT who i’ve been watching giving half of the lectures in MIT’s analysis of algorithms course, available for auditing on video thru iTunes! teh cool! now i know who he hangs out with!

204 TedStriker  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:22:15am

re: #199 freetoken

Over the years I’ve often shopped at Albertson’s - for a supermarket chain they were the local competition to the Von’s, both before and after Safeway bought out the Von’s stores/brands.

The one company that I think has horrible service and stores is Kroger, and their brands here (Ralph’s, Food4Less) can have quite crappy stores outside of the tony areas (La Jolla.) I can see where Albertson’s could position themselves up-market from Ralph’s.

I miss my local produce and food markets I used in Japan. The food was better. Yes, it really was, especially the produce.

The local chain “Boney’s” was bought out years ago by the “organic” food giant and while it offers a different selection of produce overall it is not much of an improvement over what I find in the supermarkets.

There are few small produce outlets around San Diego that might sell food grown in the county, but none are near me. I know of one owned by an organic farmer in north county but I doubt he’ll stay in business much longer as he is near retirement and there is no one to take over.

Kind of funny you should mention Kroger, since that’s who Walter works for ;-P

205 freetoken  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:24:31am

re: #204 talon_262

Kind of funny you should mention Kroger, since that’s who Walter works for ;-P

well, maybe they’re fine in Colorado, but their stores here are often the worst.

206 freetoken  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:27:05am
207 freetoken  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:41:42am
208 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:48:55am

It is only when we have the courage to face things exactly as they are, without any sort of self-deception or illusion, that a light will develop out of events, by which the path to success may be recognized.

- i ching

209 freetoken  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:04:12am

re: #208 engineer dog

… by which the path to success may be recognized.

I do know this - we are on the path towards Christmas.

210 freetoken  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:15:33am
211 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:38:33am

Trapped In My Basement Faq

Why don’t you call the police or fire department?

I don’t support the police, fire department or any institution funded by taxes, since taxation is a form of slavery. As an act of civil disobedience, I haven’t paid any taxes since I graduated college by refusing to get a job. (In case you’re wondering how I pay my bills, I made a substantial amount of money in a business venture I can’t disclose the nature of. And I get monthly disability checks.) In keeping with the spirit of this protest, I don’t want to contact the authorities at this time.

212 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:39:02am

Oh, and warning: Picture of a fat man in a thong in above link.

213 rwdflynavy  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:39:19am
214 ryannon  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:41:00am

re: #208 engineer dog

It is only when we have the courage to face things exactly as they are, without any sort of self-deception or illusion, that a light will develop out of events, by which the path to success may be recognized.

- i ching

re: #208 engineer dog

It is only when we have the courage to face things exactly as they are, without any sort of self-deception or illusion, that a light will develop out of events, by which the path to success may be recognized.

- i ching


In time of difficulties, we must not lose sight of our achievements.

- Mao Tse-Tung

215 rwdflynavy  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:41:17am
216 rwdflynavy  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:44:35am

Off to the 5 sided wind tunnel. 1-2 inches of snow this afternoon. A light dusting shuts this place down, so getting home should be fun!

Later Lizards!

217 freetoken  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:28:39am

Gaahhh… looks like it’ll be raining here all week… I guess I better haul the umbrella wherever I roam.

For the east coast morning crowd I’ll leave a little bit of Erroll Garner:

218 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:45:12am

I’m not a big fan of Sarah Palin. However I don’t want to spread false info about her. I just saw a document that rates her IQ at 82. Is that possible? Has anyone else seen this? I saw it at scribd.com. I would link it but the whole 14 pg document is pretty damning.

219 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:46:38am

re: #218 Amory Blaine

No, it’s not true.

220 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:47:32am

re: #218 Amory Blaine

Also, IQ tests are bullshit anyway. Judge her on her actual actions and words; much better than some poorly conceived abstraction of intelligence.

221 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:48:30am

re: #219 Obdicut

No, it’s not true.

Thanks for the confirmation.

222 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:51:19am

Heh. Let me put it this way: I’ve worked with developmentally disabled people. There are a lot of them who I would consider better fit for office than Sarah Palin. Why? Because they actually know their own limitations. When they can’t figure something out or are confused, they asked people they know and trust to help them; and from what I’ve seen, that sort of judgement does not depend on the same sort of intelligence.

223 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:51:34am

re: #220 Obdicut

Also, IQ tests are bullshit anyway. Judge her on her actual actions and words; much better than some poorly conceived abstraction of intelligence.

I do judge her on her words and actions.

224 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:53:38am

re: #222 Obdicut

I have a family member with Down Syndrome. I’d vote for her.

225 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:53:52am

re: #223 Amory Blaine

I just hate IQ tests and any other form of measuring intelligence that focuses so narrowly on one form of ‘intelligence’.

226 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:54:43am

re: #224 Amory Blaine

I have a family member with Down Syndrome. I’d vote for her.

I mean my family member.

227 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:05:38am

Morning, all

228 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:13:30am

Recently I saw this news:

[Link: www.spc.rs…]

His Holiness Irinej, Serbian Patriarch visited last night the Belgrade synagogue Sukat Shalom and on that occasion he lit one of eight candles in a traditional ceremony regarding Hanukkah - the Jewish holiday of freedom and lights. Besides His Holiness, candles were also lit by President of Republic of Serbia Mr. Boris Tadic, His Grace Bishop Irinej of Backa, Mufti of Serbia Haji Efendi Jusufspahic, His Excellency Apostolic Nuncio Mr. Orlando Antonini, Minister of Faith Dr. Bogoljub Sijakovic, President of Jewish youth of Serbia Mr. Danijel Bogunovic and Honorary President of the Association of the Jewish Communities of Serbia Mr. Aca Singer.

The presence of the Mufti and the Patriarch at the Hanukkah celebration is a good sign (esp. the Patriarch, since this actually goes against the ancient apostolic canons 70 and 71 and this caused a bit of a stir among fundies throughout the world). So there is hope for Serbia. Whereas there is no hope for Pam Geller, her supporters and genocide deniers-defenders.

229 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:17:07am

re: #228 Sergey Romanov

Recently I saw this news:

[Link: www.spc.rs…]

The presence of the Mufti and the Patriarch at the Hanukkah celebration is a good sign (esp. the Patriarch, since this actually goes against the ancient apostolic canons 70 and 71 and this caused a bit of a stir among fundies throughout the world). So there is hope for Serbia. Whereas there is no hope for Pam Geller, her supporters and genocide deniers-defenders.

Will there be recessionals? Is there an ‘old rite’ movement within the church as there is with the Catholic Church?

230 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:17:34am

re: #229 researchok

Repurcussions

PIMF

231 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:23:10am

re: #229 researchok

Will there be recessionals? Is there an ‘old rite’ movement within the church as there is with the Catholic Church?

I don’t know about the Serbian church, but I assume there are fundies in each confession. I don’t think there will be any repercussions except among these same fundies, who are already likely to think that the top hierarchy is “Jewified” or some crap like that.

232 freetoken  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:25:17am

re: #218 Amory Blaine

It’s a ball passed around by commenters on blogs. Right now Huffpo has some going claiming her IQ is 83 (not 82.)

I seriously doubt, assuming she actually ever did take an IQ test, that the results are still available somewhere or public. I know the last time I took one was in 3rd grade, and the only record of it that exists is in the grade school records (of which I have a copy.)

233 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:45:44am

re: #220 Obdicut

Also, IQ tests are bullshit anyway. Judge her on her actual actions and words; much better than some poorly conceived abstraction of intelligence.

So…
My IQ of Eleventy-one is…
Meaningless?!?!
I iz sad panda.
:(
/

234 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:49:25am

re: #233 Varek Raith

Heh. Seriously, IQ is just one way of measuring intelligence. And some people suck at taking IQ tests. And some people don’t take them seriously when they take them.

Obviously, the scores mean something. But I do not want to live in a society where we use such tests as an actual proxy for judging people.

235 rwdflynavy  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:54:23am

re: #233 Varek Raith

So…
My IQ of Eleventy-one is…
Meaningless?!?!
I iz sad panda.
:(
/

but your midichlorians are off the charts!

237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:02:53am

re: #224 Amory Blaine

We could use a Department of Hugs. There is no hug like the hug from a person with Down’s Syndrome.

238 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:03:42am

re: #234 Obdicut

Heh. Seriously, IQ is just one way of measuring intelligence. And some people suck at taking IQ tests. And some people don’t take them seriously when they take them.

Obviously, the scores mean something. But I do not want to live in a society where we use such tests as an actual proxy for judging people.

What, exactly is it that “IQ Tests” are supposed to measure? In the past, IQ test results have been used to justify racism, eugenics and forced sterilization, not to mention groups of self-proclaimed “elites” who base their overall human superiority on their ability to achieve high test scores.

IQ tests can not predict if someone has an aptitude for the creative arts, interpersonal or entrepreneurial skills, or physical stamina. IQ tests can only measure a person’s ability to solve certain types of puzzles or compete at 3D chess.

239 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:04:12am

Heh. One of the Russian sources ‘exposed’ by WL cables (leaked uncensored through Shamir) is a politologist Vladimir Pribylovsky. In his last blog posting he describes his visit to the Japanese embassy yesterday (Emperor’s birthday or something). So every second person there who was asking questions began with jokes like “Don’t think about it, Assange won’t learn anything!” and “A couple of words for WikiLeaks?” :-))

240 Flounder  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:07:56am

Good moring all. Imagine my surprise yesterday when I said I was already sick of winter…in the fall. Oh well.

242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:40:02am

re: #239 Sergey Romanov

Ah! The humor ensues.

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:42:04am

re: #234 Obdicut

I found that I had a very high IQ in Jr. High School.

At that moment I found out? IQ tests lost all validity for me.

244 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:44:56am

re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have a friend who scores massively high on IQ tests, and I can beat him at any card game, board game, or, really, any other game. He can analyze problems, but he can’t form any sort of strategy based off of that analysis.

They’re such a limited measure. I hate all that kind of crap when it’s seriously used to determine people’s future.

245 Flounder  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:47:53am

re: #244 Obdicut
Kinda reminds me of a girl who graduated high school at the top of her clas (600 +/- kids), and didn’t know how to start a car.

246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:48:49am

re: #244 Obdicut

I simply can not function in the abstract. The maths befuddle me to no end with the exception of rudimentary addition subtraction multiplication and division.

Was (am) a high functioning math illiterate.

247 McSpiff  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:58:50am

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I simply can not function in the abstract. The maths befuddle me to no end with the exception of rudimentary addition subtraction multiplication and division.

Was (am) a high functioning math illiterate.

Its funny the guys I know who are the total opposite. No problem with high level calculus, but can’t get the arithmetic right for the life of them.

248 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:59:18am

I could never take tests well. Still can’t

We’re doing performance reviews at work this week. I can barely “pass” (for my level) the written test

OTOH ,,we have to demonstrate (hands on) various equipment here, how to set up and use then for different circumsatances, the signal flow to and/or from and trouble shooting if there’s a “fault” mshown on the equipment

THAT I ace!

249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:02:13am

re: #247 McSpiff

The bwain is funny.

250 apox  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:06:22am

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Marvel Boycotted by White Supremacists

I always like to read comments under articles to see the cesspool of Internet anonymity …

“Andrew Belonsky, I’ll never forget your name you dirty animal jew. You fucking no good **** whore pig jew moses pieces of shit”

How charming.

251 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:16:37am

re: #250 apox
Ugh.
May as well stare into the bottom on an outhouse.

252 Flounder  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:18:57am

re: #251 Rightwingconspirator
Hey, I’m eating breakfast here!

253 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:19:54am

re: #252 Shropshire_Slasher

Hey, I’m eating breakfast here!

In an outhouse!?!?!

International OutHouse of Pancakes!!

254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:19:57am

re: #252 Shropshire_Slasher

Having chocolate oatmeal?

255 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:21:29am

re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Having chocolate oatmeal?

with raisins!!!

256 APox  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:21:31am

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

Broke and fanatical!

The fact that this is what we could go to is awfully scary.

And if you read the woman’s story she isn’t having an abortion because it wasn’t the right time (not that that reasoning is any less acceptable to me) but because she has CANCER. Good grief.

257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:22:10am

re: #255 sattv4u2

with raisins!!!

And peanuts!

258 Flounder  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:22:59am

re: #253 sattv4u2

re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Multi-tasking, but its tough with the laptop and all.

259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:23:28am

re: #252 Shropshire_Slasher

Ahem.

re: #253 sattv4u2

re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #255 sattv4u2

re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You are welcome.

260 Flounder  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:24:38am

can’t… stop…. lauging…..

261 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:26:18am

re: #252 Shropshire_Slasher

Sorry…

262 Flounder  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:27:24am

Dinner is corn-eyed brown trout.

263 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:51:05am

re: #256 APox

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

Broke and fanatical!

The fact that this is what we could go to is awfully scary.

And if you read the woman’s story she isn’t having an abortion because it wasn’t the right time (not that that reasoning is any less acceptable to me) but because she has CANCER. Good grief.

Having an abortion in Ireland carries a penalty of life imprisonment.”

Seems a bit medieval to me…..

264 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:57:03am

And on that note, the long (slippery) ride home beckons

265 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:07:16am

re: #263 Ericus58

Having an abortion in Ireland carries a penalty of life imprisonment.”

Seems a bit medieval to me…

///Hey I think I found where we can suggest all of Socons should move to!

266 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:13:31am

re: #265 jamesfirecat

///Hey I think I found where we can suggest all of Socons should move to!

Ahh… think there might be some push-back on that in regards to which side of the “Christian” house you reside in….

267 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:15:17am

re: #265 jamesfirecat

///Hey I think I found where we can suggest all of Socons should move to!

Only if you promise to take them there.

268 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:17:12am

Hall of Fame Pitcher Bob Feller passes away

He led the league in victories six times and strikeouts seven times.

Feller won 266 games, struck out 2,581 batters, won 62 percent of his decisions, pitched three no-hitters, 12 one-hitters and 44 shutouts and won a pitchers’ Triple Crown.

He produced those numbers despite missing nearly four seasons because of military service. His hitch in the Navy — Feller enlisted the day after Pearl Harbor — began after he had led the AL in victories for three seasons — 24, 27 and 25 in 1939-1941 — and before he led two more times with 26 and 20 in 1946 and 1947. He won 22 games in 1951, 12 years after the first of his six 20-win seasons. One can only imagine where four more full seasons, even if they were pedestrian, would have put his final numbers.

Feller was one of the best ever.

269 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:26:33am

re: #268 rwmofo

Hall of Fame Pitcher Bob Feller passes away

He led the league in victories six times and strikeouts seven times.

Feller won 266 games, struck out 2,581 batters, won 62 percent of his decisions, pitched three no-hitters, 12 one-hitters and 44 shutouts and won a pitchers’ Triple Crown.

He produced those numbers despite missing nearly four seasons because of military service. His hitch in the Navy — Feller enlisted the day after Pearl Harbor — began after he had led the AL in victories for three seasons — 24, 27 and 25 in 1939-1941 — and before he led two more times with 26 and 20 in 1946 and 1947. He won 22 games in 1951, 12 years after the first of his six 20-win seasons. One can only imagine where four more full seasons, even if they were pedestrian, would have put his final numbers.

Feller was one of the best ever.

Interesting… in one of the many variations that Abbott and Costello developed of their penultimate comedy routine “Who’s on First,” they once include a segment (as an aside to the regular routine) about Feller…

Abbott: “This is the hat Feller wears.”
Costello: Which Feller?”
Abbott: “Why, the Feller that pitches for the Cleveland Indians…”
Costello: “Which Feller are you talkin’ about!?”
And so on until …
Abbott: “This bat was made for Slaughter.”
Costello: “Haven’t you got one that was made for baseball?”
Abbott: “No, when I say Slaughter, I mean Enos Slaughter! Everyone knows Slaughter. Enos Slaughter.”
Costello: “Well maybe he knows Slaughter, but I don’t!”

FYI.

270 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:30:55am

Kosovo Prime Minister accused of being ringleader in mob organization that carries out drug trade and even organ harvesting:

The prime minister of Kosovo is the capo of a shady underworld organization responsible for smuggling weapons, drugs and even human organs across Eastern Europe, according to a European inquiry on organized crime reviewed by The Guardian.

The Council of Europe’s report, which the Guardian said cited FBI and other intelligence sources, alleged that henchmen from Prime Minister Hashim Thaci’s inner circle smuggled Serbian prisoners into Albania after the Kosovo war in the late 1990s and murdered them for their organs, which were then sold on the black market.

The report also alleged that Thaci controls much of the heroin trade in the region and has been involved with other “illicit criminal enterprises” for more than a decade, The Guardian reported.

Thaci says that he’ll sue the European investigators for claiming that while he was a KLA boss, he had kidneys taken from prisoners.

271 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:32:09am

Poll: Assessment of Afghanistan War Sours

ABC News/Washington Post Poll: Record Six in 10 Say it’s ‘Not Worth Fighting’
272 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:33:25am

re: #270 lawhawk

I’m always suspicious about organ harvesting claims. Do you think it;s a credible allegation?

273 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:34:12am

re: #268 rwmofo

The greats from that generation could have had truly stupendous numbers had they not devoted some of their prime years to the military effort. That includes Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio, and countless others.

274 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:35:24am

We suck….
An experiment in varying blog audiences

by Barrett Brown on December 15, 2010

Each time I cross-post something I have written here to another blog and view the receptions that an honest attempt at dialog receives elsewhere compared to how it is received here, I grow to appreciate The League even more than I already have since before I was kindly invited to write here.

275 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:36:29am

re: #272 Killgore Trout

This is a claim that goes back some number of years. The EU investigations haven’t turned up evidence, but this investigator seems to think that there is:

Marty, a Swiss senator, led a team of investigators to Kosovo and Albania in 2009, following allegations of organ trafficking published in a book by former UN War Crimes tribunal prosecutor Carla Del Ponte who said she was given information by Western journalists.

Marty’s investigation found that there were a number of detention facilities in Albania, where both Kosovan opponents of the KLA and Serbs were allegedly held once the hostilities in Kosovo were over in 1999, including a “state-of-the-art reception center for the organized crime of organ trafficking.”

EU investigators looking into claims that organ harvesting took place in northern Albania have said they found no proof of the allegations. The EU police force in Kosovo on Wednesday called for those with evidence to come forward.

276 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:37:54am

re: #270 lawhawk

Kosovo Prime Minister accused of being ringleader in mob organization that carries out drug trade and even organ harvesting:

Thaci says that he’ll sue the European investigators for claiming that while he was a KLA boss, he had kidneys taken from prisoners.

We had a discussion last night about this topic.
The focus is on the KLA during the Kosovo War and it’s ensuing activities being in power of the government.

277 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:37:55am

re: #274 Killgore Trout

We suck…
An experiment in varying blog audiences

by Barrett Brown on December 15, 2010

Ruh-Roh!

279 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:40:31am

Former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick charged under 38-count indictment.

“The indictment also charges Kwame Kilpatrick, Bernard Kilpatrick and Bobby Ferguson of defrauding donors to non-profit organizations, including the Kilpatrick Civic Fund.”

“They would ask donors to provide money to these funds, and instead of enriching the lives of Senior Citizens or children or residents of the city of Detroit — instead, using the funds for their personal benefit for expenses like yoga classes, spa treatments, golf clubs,” (according to U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade)

I had to play “Name that Party” with this article, because the Detroit CBS affiliate didn’t see the need to include the word “democrat.”

280 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:40:42am

re: #274 Killgore Trout

We suck…
An experiment in varying blog audiences

by Barrett Brown on December 15, 2010

Yes, I grew tired of THAT experiment.

Somehow I have a hard time taking Antiwar.com and Justin Raimondo seriously in any context other than ridicule.

282 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:41:20am

re: #272 Killgore Trout

I’m always suspicious about organ harvesting claims. Do you think it;s a credible allegation?

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]
Horrors of KLA prison camps revealed

and -

“Allegations of organ-trafficking against the KLA were first published by the former prosecutor of the Hague International War Crimes Tribunal, Carla del Ponte, in 2008.”
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…]

283 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:43:04am

re: #278 Killgore Trout

Mandate! What if Obama’s healthcare law required every American to buy a gun? How’d you feel about that?

Well then I’d probably buy one and shrug my shoulders and buy a 20 gauge that I could use for arm exercises (because my upper body strength is pretty pathetic) and skeet shooting, from what I understand wouldn’t it be sort of like what they do in Sweden (or was it Switzerland?) where everyone has to devote at least some time to training in the military…

284 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:43:41am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

Poll: Assessment of Afghanistan War Sours

It would be a tragic mistake of epic proportions if the US and NATO walk away prior to the establishment of a government based on good governance… and the elimination of safe havens in Pakistan for the Taliban/AQ.

285 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:45:19am

re: #279 rwmofo

Former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick charged under 38-count indictment.

“The indictment also charges Kwame Kilpatrick, Bernard Kilpatrick and Bobby Ferguson of defrauding donors to non-profit organizations, including the Kilpatrick Civic Fund.”

“They would ask donors to provide money to these funds, and instead of enriching the lives of Senior Citizens or children or residents of the city of Detroit — instead, using the funds for their personal benefit for expenses like yoga classes, spa treatments, golf clubs,” (according to U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade)

I had to play “Name that Party” with this article, because the Detroit CBS affiliate didn’t see the need to include the word “democrat.”

Mayor of Detroit is a non-partisan office.

286 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:45:19am

re: #274 Killgore Trout

We suck…
An experiment in varying blog audiences

by Barrett Brown on December 15, 2010

/yawn

287 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:45:43am

re: #278 Killgore Trout

It wouldn’t make much sense. Guns are something that really aren’t that useful; on very rare occasions they are. They also have some inherent dangers with them. That’s a rather flawed metaphor.

288 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:50:04am

re: #286 Ericus58

/yawn

More about me.

/

289 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:51:34am

re: #286 Ericus58

/yawn

That “yawn” is trademarked by me, I would appreciate if you wouldn’t use it :)

290 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:51:36am

re: #287 Obdicut

It wouldn’t make much sense. Guns are something that really aren’t that useful; on very rare occasions they are. They also have some inherent dangers with them. That’s a rather flawed metaphor.

“Guns are something that really aren’t that useful; on very rare occasions they are.”

Honestly to give the devil his do I think you could also describe Heathcare as being something that isn’t that useful except on those rare ocassions when if you need it YOU REALLY NEED IT.

That said your second point still stands, that making it so that everyone of legal age and of proper mental facilities owns a gun comes with its own risks…

291 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:52:25am

AK-47S FOR EVERYONE!!!

292 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:53:59am

re: #288 Gus 802

More about me.

/

Barrett Brown’s comments are elitist bullshit. The only “experiment” he is conducting is if he is intellectually capable of dealing with open debate versus the echo chamber over at “The League.” Here’s my abstract on that experiment… “he can’t compete at LGF”

293 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:55:16am

re: #290 jamesfirecat

Honestly to give the devil his do I think you could also describe Heathcare as being something that isn’t that useful except on those rare ocassions when if you need it YOU REALLY NEED IT.

No you couldn’t.

A) Many people rely on healthcare daily, for their entire lives.

B) Aside from that, most people will have various medical crises throughout their life.

294 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:55:53am

re: #280 Gus 802

Yes, I grew tired of THAT experiment.

Somehow I have a hard time taking Antiwar.com and Justin Raimondo seriously in any context other than ridicule.

I gave it a shot but I don’t think there’s enough common ground between myself and an anti American Anarchist. He claims he’s trying to have an honest discussion and maybe he believes that but all I see is bogus stories from al Jazeera, obscure conspiracies about state sponsored terrorism and silly dreams about the nations of the world collapsing.
His open activist support for groups engaged in illegal activities crosses a line for me. At least Vlaams belang and creationists weren’t advocating criminal activity.

295 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:56:45am

re: #284 Ericus58

It would be a tragic mistake of epic proportions if the US and NATO walk away prior to the establishment of a government based on good governance… and the elimination of safe havens in Pakistan for the Taliban/AQ.

Yeah, we have to wrap it up soon. The public is getting tired.

296 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:59:07am

re: #293 Obdicut

No you couldn’t.

A) Many people rely on healthcare daily, for their entire lives.

B) Aside from that, most people will have various medical crises throughout their life.

Sorry need to clear my head a bit..

You are right, in retrospect as a life long sufferer of ADHD I need some form of healthcare in order to cover the cost of my meds if nothing else for example.

That’s only anecdotal evidence but of course but at the very least I’m in no position to say that I only very rarely need healthcare….

297 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:59:21am

re: #294 Killgore Trout

I gave it a shot but I don’t think there’s enough common ground between myself and an anti American Anarchist. He claims he’s trying to have an honest discussion and maybe he believes that but all I see is bogus stories from al Jazeera, obscure conspiracies about state sponsored terrorism and silly dreams about the nations of the world collapsing.
His open activist support for groups engaged in illegal activities crosses a line for me. At least Vlaams belang and creationists weren’t advocating criminal activity.

I think some of the logic here was “if you don’t like Robert Stacy McCain you surely must support (i.e. like) Julian Assange.”

298 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:00:13am

The school board is stupid.
They’re closing an hour early because of the snow.
Right at the time the storm will be at its’ worse.
Why even bother opening?
The roads are already bad…
9_9

299 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:00:43am

re: #297 Gus 802

I think some of the logic here was “if you don’t like Robert Stacy McCain you surely must support (i.e. like) Julian Assange.”

Which is the opposite of the problem LGF used to have if I understand some of Charles’ interviews correctly…

Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right.
Here I am,
stuck in the middle with you….

300 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:01:21am
301 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:01:22am

re: #291 Varek Raith

Imagine the consequences, lego style…

302 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:01:42am

re: #299 jamesfirecat

Which is the opposite of the problem LGF used to have if I understand some of Charles’ interviews correctly…

Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right.
Here I am,
stuck in the middle with you…

In that case, you’re sitting on the roof!
Get the hell out!
:P

303 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:02:47am

re: #299 jamesfirecat

Here I am,
stuck in the middle with you…

Santas in the chimney? /

304 jaunte  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:03:06am

re: #294 Killgore Trout

I’ve had a hard time following the logic of his arguments.

305 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:03:15am

re: #294 Killgore Trout

I gave it a shot but I don’t think there’s enough common ground between myself and an anti American Anarchist. He claims he’s trying to have an honest discussion and maybe he believes that but all I see is bogus stories from al Jazeera, obscure conspiracies about state sponsored terrorism and silly dreams about the nations of the world collapsing.
His open activist support for groups engaged in illegal activities crosses a line for me. At least Vlaams belang and creationists weren’t advocating criminal activity.

I’ve always enjoyed being in a brown study.

306 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:03:39am

re: #299 jamesfirecat

Which is the opposite of the problem LGF used to have if I understand some of Charles’ interviews correctly…

Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right.
Here I am,
stuck in the middle with you…

All anti-Jihadists must like Geert Wilders.

//

307 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:05:11am

re: #289 Walter L. Newton

That “yawn” is trademarked by me, I would appreciate if you wouldn’t use it :)

where do I send the royalties check?
/

308 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:05:18am

re: #297 Gus 802

I think some of the logic here was “if you don’t like Robert Stacy McCain you surely must support (i.e. like) Julian Assange.”

Good point.

309 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:08:41am

Highest Waterfall In A Kayak: 189 Ft. [VIDEO]

[Link: www.dump.com…]

serious pucker factor…

310 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:11:09am

re: #302 Varek Raith

In that case, you’re sitting on the roof!
Get the hell out!
:P

See. This just proves that atheists are one monolithic group that agree on everything.

//

311 darthstar  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:11:10am

Mornin’ everyone… I made marshmallows last night. Just got done cutting them up. Got 128 of the fluffy little fuckers from a 9x9 pan.

312 jaunte  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:13:05am

re: #309 Ericus58

I’ll bet he had a good nap right after he got out of the water.

313 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:17:40am

re: #312 jaunte

I’ll bet he had a good nap right after he got out of the water.

I’m trying to get my head around the g-forces his body would have been subjected to - specifically around the torso from possible contact with the combing of his kayak upon impact. Perhaps the surrounding water he rode down (he took the path of the largest water spill plume) enabled his entry to be less impactive since the water falling would break the surface of the body of water it was spilling into.

314 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:18:04am

re: #309 Ericus58

Highest Waterfall In A Kayak: 189 Ft. [VIDEO]

[Link: www.dump.com…]

serious pucker factor…

The guy is an idiot.

Really.

Updinged because of incredibleness.

315 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:18:39am

No snow.

316 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:18:48am

re: #312 jaunte

I’ll bet he had a good nap right after he got out of the water.

I’ll bet he did a load of laundry, too.

Big load.

317 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:19:12am

Well… here’s a bit of perspective that I hadn’t read about Mr. Marty until now:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…]

“Mr Marty is identified as a man who has always opposed Kosovan independence, and is now collaborating with Serbia in a conspiracy to discourage any more countries from recognising Kosovo.

Only 72 of the 192 members of the UN have so far done so. The first task of the new government elected last Sunday will be to begin the much delayed discussions with Serbia on normalising relations, and officials in Pristina fear the ground is being prepared to make them more pliable.

A string of other “coincidences” are being put forward in the Kosovan capital, to explain the exact timing of Mr Marty’s report. One idea doing the rounds in Pristina, is that if the government remains in firm denial, it has no choice but to sue Mr Marty for slander.

The European Union officials in both Brussels and Pristina have challenged the author of the report to come up with his evidence.

“The ball is in Mr Marty’s court now,” said one Pristina source.”

318 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:19:48am

re: #315 Gus 802

No snow.

Got snow here.
You can haul it away.
Free, of course.

319 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:19:59am

re: #315 Gus 802

No snow.

Can’t say the same. We got a dusting…butr on Monday, I’m supposed to be in Norfolk/VA Beach. They are expecting 6-12 inches, I’m told.

We’ll see.

320 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:20:38am

re: #315 Gus 802

No snow.

We had about a half an inch up here, and weather still says we’ll get another 1-2 this afternoon/evening, but I’m not holding my breath. It’s sunny and 19 degrees (f) right now.

Flip side, it’s going to be frigid tonight up here, in the single digits.

321 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:21:50am

re: #320 Walter L. Newton

We had about a half an inch up here, and weather still says we’ll get another 1-2 this afternoon/evening, but I’m not holding my breath. It’s sunny and 19 degrees (f) right now.

Flip side, it’s going to be frigid tonight up here, in the single digits.

Damn, Walter- single digits.

Damn.

322 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:23:45am

re: #321 researchok

Damn, Walter- single digits.

Damn.

Yep… and I’ll be out in it… got a 5:45pm to 9:45pm shift tonight. It’s gonna be chilly when I leave work.

323 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:24:42am

re: #320 Walter L. Newton

We had about a half an inch up here, and weather still says we’ll get another 1-2 this afternoon/evening, but I’m not holding my breath. It’s sunny and 19 degrees (f) right now.

Flip side, it’s going to be frigid tonight up here, in the single digits.

That’s not fair.
It’s warmer where you are than it is here!
Jerk.
:P

324 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:25:02am

re: #317 Ericus58

Well… here’s a bit of perspective that I hadn’t read about Mr. Marty until now:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…]

“Mr Marty is identified as a man who has always opposed Kosovan independence, and is now collaborating with Serbia in a conspiracy to discourage any more countries from recognising Kosovo.

Only 72 of the 192 members of the UN have so far done so. The first task of the new government elected last Sunday will be to begin the much delayed discussions with Serbia on normalising relations, and officials in Pristina fear the ground is being prepared to make them more pliable.

A string of other “coincidences” are being put forward in the Kosovan capital, to explain the exact timing of Mr Marty’s report. One idea doing the rounds in Pristina, is that if the government remains in firm denial, it has no choice but to sue Mr Marty for slander.

The European Union officials in both Brussels and Pristina have challenged the author of the report to come up with his evidence.

“The ball is in Mr Marty’s court now,” said one Pristina source.”

This whole revelations industry is getting out of hand.

Pakistan was accused of releasing phony documents re India and Indian generals being ‘genocidal’.

325 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:25:32am

re: #322 Walter L. Newton

Yep… and I’ll be out in it… got a 5:45pm to 9:45pm shift tonight. It’s gonna be chilly when I leave work.

Your a hearty lot out there.

326 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:26:00am

re: #323 Varek Raith

That’s not fair.
It’s warmer where you are than it is here!
Jerk.
:P

I hear that.

327 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:27:03am

re: #323 Varek Raith

That’s not fair.
It’s warmer where you are than it is here!
Jerk.
:P

You called me a jerk? You… you… er… you Varek you.

328 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:29:25am

re: #327 Walter L. Newton

You called me a jerk? You… you… er… you Varek you.

329 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:29:43am

re: #320 Walter L. Newton

We had about a half an inch up here, and weather still says we’ll get another 1-2 this afternoon/evening, but I’m not holding my breath. It’s sunny and 19 degrees (f) right now.

Flip side, it’s going to be frigid tonight up here, in the single digits.

High of 30 in Denver today. No big deal. As you know we sometimes get into these patterns were they predict snow and we get nothing. Less than a week till winter begins.

330 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:30:18am

re: #329 Gus 802

Where not were. Gribbit.

331 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:31:17am

re: #325 researchok

Your a hearty lot out there.

My husky Wolfie is hearty. I’m sitting in a home office, surrounded by ceiling height bookshelves, full of books that offer decent insulation, with a computer that is never shuts off (heat), and a electric heater… I’m not hearty, I’m toasty.

Living room is toasty with a high capacity pellet stove in the fireplace. The rest of the house, a bit chilly. I’ll take a nap later before work, bedrooms are a bit chilly, being at the back of the house away from the pellet stove, but an electric blanket keeps the bed toasty.

Like I say… the husky is hearty.

332 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:32:25am

re: #329 Gus 802

High of 30 in Denver today. No big deal. As you know we sometimes get into these patterns were they predict snow and we get nothing. Less than a week till winter begins.

Yeah, but when guys get blizzards…you get blizzards.

When they say Denver is snowed in, they aren’t kidding. I read about some record storms out there, from the 80’s and 90’s.

That, and I recall the runway that went over the highway. I bought a few postcards of that one.

Surreal.

333 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:33:46am

Important news on the effort to repeal DADT!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

334 cenotaphium  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:38:06am

This is indeed emblematic of why I always distance myself from “critics of Islam”. The issue is so marred with those who would use it only as a vessel for the same hatred and bigotry they claim to be opposing. And what they would demand of muslims, they themselves refuse to do - distance themselves and renounce the unvarnished racism and evil deeds of their alleged comrades.

It strikes me that this isn’t unique to the opposition against Islam. In the far right resurgence in Europe, people are keen to label themselves as “concerned” about immigration, immigrants (well, muslims and africans), but in no way motivated by racism. This may very well be true in many cases. But again, the refusal to make a clean break with members who cross the line, or supporters who are actual neo-nazi party members makes me distance myself from that issue as well.
I find the attitude of “well, we can’t be held responsible if some racists happen to agree with us” to be utterly unsatisfactory, especially in topics which lie so close to the path of intolerance.

And it breaks my heart, because I believe all topics should be open to debate, and both immigration and the bad sides of Islam are very important topics that deserve to be illuminated and discussed in earnest. Though never at the price of enabling those who would condone ethnic cleansing, as the example of Geller seems to show.

335 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:38:54am

re: #329 Gus 802

High of 30 in Denver today. No big deal. As you know we sometimes get into these patterns were they predict snow and we get nothing. Less than a week till winter begins.

I thought the inch or so we got yesterday evening would have kept the traffic down at the supermarket. No way… out of 141 stores in this division, the Conifer store is something like 21st in sales. We’re damn busy, considering we are in a rural area, medium dense area, but not like in the heart of Denver (or any medium/large city).

And the Safeway a mile away, at “rush hour” you could drive a truck down the aisles and not hit anyone.

It’s been about a month since I worked a weeknight evening, since they have been giving me most of my hours on those weekend overnights, but I suddenly realized, the overnights, at least considering overall physical labor, is actually more laid back.

Last night I checked for a solid 2 1/2 hours before they were able to break me. And we don’t have the European style check stands, where the customer empties their baskets onto a conveyor belt. We have to bend and stand and empty the baskets ourselves.

Busy… busy… busy…

336 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:40:38am

re: #332 researchok

Yeah, but when guys get blizzards…you get blizzards.

When they say Denver is snowed in, they aren’t kidding. I read about some record storms out there, from the 80’s and 90’s.

That, and I recall the runway that went over the highway. I bought a few postcards of that one.

Surreal.

Wait two days and it’ll be 50 degrees and sunny.

337 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:42:30am

re: #332 researchok

Yeah, but when guys get blizzards…you get blizzards.

When they say Denver is snowed in, they aren’t kidding. I read about some record storms out there, from the 80’s and 90’s.

That, and I recall the runway that went over the highway. I bought a few postcards of that one.

Surreal.

They removed that bridge… FAA said it was too dangerous. Now the planes just cross the highway. They use gates like railroad crossings. Someone tried to run the gate last month, impaled his car on the tip of a 747 and ended up in Toronto.

338 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:42:56am

re: #335 Walter L. Newton

I thought the inch or so we got yesterday evening would have kept the traffic down at the supermarket. No way… out of 141 stores in this division, the Conifer store is something like 21st in sales. We’re damn busy, considering we are in a rural area, medium dense area, but not like in the heart of Denver (or any medium/large city).

And the Safeway a mile away, at “rush hour” you could drive a truck down the aisles and not hit anyone.

It’s been about a month since I worked a weeknight evening, since they have been giving me most of my hours on those weekend overnights, but I suddenly realized, the overnights, at least considering overall physical labor, is actually more laid back.

Last night I checked for a solid 2 1/2 hours before they were able to break me. And we don’t have the European style check stands, where the customer empties their baskets onto a conveyor belt. We have to bend and stand and empty the baskets ourselves.

Busy… busy… busy…

Everytime they predict snow my Safeway always turned into a mad rush scene. People thinking that they’re going to be snowed in for the next couple of days or something. I’ve done it too only to have it snow that night and then the day after it’s like I said above, 50 degrees and sunny.

339 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:43:54am

re: #337 Walter L. Newton

They removed that bridge… FAA said it was too dangerous. Now the planes just cross the highway. They use gates like railroad crossings. Someone tried to run the gate last month, impaled his car on the tip of a 747 and ended up in Toronto.

PFFFTTTT!!!
I can beat that 747!
Hold my beer…

340 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:47:23am

re: #338 Gus 802

Everytime they predict snow my Safeway always turned into a mad rush scene. People thinking that they’re going to be snowed in for the next couple of days or something. I’ve done it too only to have it snow that night and then the day after it’s like I said above, 50 degrees and sunny.

I know… happens all the time. I’m not sure of the mentality that has developed over weather events. It’s like it’s some sort of “extreme” sport. Really, I think all the hype that weather gets on channels like “The Weather Channel” and the reality shows about chasing storms and chasing tornados and chasing this and that, it’s all sort of turned a lot of people into some Pavlovian puppy, responding to every little inconvenience like the end of the world was coming.

We’ve elevated normal everyday incidences into code red ville.

341 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:47:27am

re: #337 Walter L. Newton

They removed that bridge… FAA said it was too dangerous. Now the planes just cross the highway. They use gates like railroad crossings. Someone tried to run the gate last month, impaled his car on the tip of a 747 and ended up in Toronto.

I thought the airport was shut down to make room for housing development.

342 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:49:25am

re: #341 researchok

I thought the airport was shut down to make room for housing development.

Oh… you’re talking about ancient history… you’re talking about Stapleton Airport. Yes, that closed a long time ago.

I was kidding about the crossing gate anyway.

343 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:49:30am

re: #334 cenotaphium

This is indeed emblematic of why I always distance myself from “critics of Islam”. The issue is so marred with those who would use it only as a vessel for the same hatred and bigotry they claim to be opposing. And what they would demand of muslims, they themselves refuse to do - distance themselves and renounce the unvarnished racism and evil deeds of their alleged comrades.

It strikes me that this isn’t unique to the opposition against Islam. In the far right resurgence in Europe, people are keen to label themselves as “concerned” about immigration, immigrants (well, muslims and africans), but in no way motivated by racism. This may very well be true in many cases. But again, the refusal to make a clean break with members who cross the line, or supporters who are actual neo-nazi party members makes me distance myself from that issue as well.
I find the attitude of “well, we can’t be held responsible if some racists happen to agree with us” to be utterly unsatisfactory, especially in topics which lie so close to the path of intolerance.

And it breaks my heart, because I believe all topics should be open to debate, and both immigration and the bad sides of Islam are very important topics that deserve to be illuminated and discussed in earnest. Though never at the price of enabling those who would condone ethnic cleansing, as the example of Geller seems to show.

There is no more civil and serious debate in Europe than there is here.

Sadly.

344 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:50:28am

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

Oh… you’re talking about ancient history… you’re talking about Stapleton Airport. Yes, that closed a long time ago.

I was kidding about the crossing gate anyway.

I need to get out there.

So you can’t beat me up anymore.

345 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:51:58am

re: #344 researchok

I need to get out there.

So you can’t beat me up anymore.

I’m not trying to beat you up. Most of what comes out of my mouth is a mixture of facts and sarcasm, with tongue firmly planted in my cheek.

346 cenotaphium  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:52:08am

re: #244 Obdicut

I have a friend who scores massively high on IQ tests, and I can beat him at any card game, board game, or, really, any other game. He can analyze problems, but he can’t form any sort of strategy based off of that analysis.

They’re such a limited measure. I hate all that kind of crap when it’s seriously used to determine people’s future.

The best comment I’ve seen on IQ test is that they clearly show how good you are.. at solving IQ tests.
Worse than the misunderstanding that a high IQ means you are objectively “intelligent” is the attempts to try to show racial differences on the grounds of IQ test performance. And indeed, such differences could be shown. They were especially high when no attempt was made to try to develop a comparable test for the local culture. Try solving a Rubik’s cube when you think the objective is to make patterns. :/

I have an exceptionally high IQ. Like everyone on the internet.

347 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:52:23am

Sen. Brown will back DADT repeal, bringing the number of Senators to 61.

Massachusetts Republican Scott Brown today voiced his support for a stand-alone repeal of the military’s Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, bringing the bill one vote over the 60-vote threshold that it will need to reach if and when the Senate votes on the measure in the coming weeks.

“Sen. Brown accepts the Pentagon’s recommendation to repeal the policy after proper preparations have been completed. If and when a clean repeal bill comes up for a vote, he will support it,” said Brown spokesperson Gail Gitcho.

Brown’s backing means that – on paper – supporters of the repeal have 61 senators in favor of the bill. On Wednesday Republicans Olympia Snowe of Maine and Lisa Murkowski both announced their support for the stand-alone repeal. The House passed the clean repeal on Wednesday and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has vowed to bring it to a vote in the Senate before the end of the year.

348 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:52:44am

re: #340 Walter L. Newton

I know… happens all the time. I’m not sure of the mentality that has developed over weather events. It’s like it’s some sort of “extreme” sport. Really, I think all the hype that weather gets on channels like “The Weather Channel” and the reality shows about chasing storms and chasing tornados and chasing this and that, it’s all sort of turned a lot of people into some Pavlovian puppy, responding to every little inconvenience like the end of the world was coming.

We’ve elevated normal everyday incidences into code red ville.

I know. People will get dressed like they’re going to be exposed to subzero temperature for 12 hours to get from their car to the door of their store. Most modern inhabitants of the urban landscape overreact to cold events.

It is a bit of sport for some. I’ve gotten calls from my parents asking me “so, I heard you really got a lot of snow, you aunt so and so think you should move out of Denver, they get too much snow.” Then I’ll respond, “what snow?”

349 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:57:37am

So… for those world travelers out there, here’s another event I’ve added to our Paris vacation coming up. This is something I’ve never done in Paris before, and it sound interesting to say the least. Social networking the old fashion way…


SUNDAY DINNERS IN PARIS WITH JIM HAYNES

It is not that common to go to a dinner party and invite yourself and then have to introduce yourself to the host on the night because you have never met them before. However, this is the situation that most guests are in when they go for dinner on Sunday night at Jim Haynes Parisian home. Before the latest trend of “underground” restaurants were even a twinkle in their fathers eye Jim was serving dinner to up to sixty strangers every Sunday night at his atelier in Paris. In fact, Jim has been putting on Sunday dinners for the last 30 years.

[Link: www.gourmet-chick.com…]

And the suggested donation partly goes to supporting the dinners and the rest goes to Paris arts groups and other various charities like Amnesty International.

I’m looking forward to the dinner and to meeting Mr. Haynes.

350 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:57:43am

re: #218 Amory Blaine

I’m not a big fan of Sarah Palin. However I don’t want to spread false info about her. I just saw a document that rates her IQ at 82. Is that possible? Has anyone else seen this? I saw it at scribd.com. I would link it but the whole 14 pg document is pretty damning.

I seriously doubt it. I think she’s quite a bright woman, she’s just a damn fool.

351 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:59:40am

re: #238 Alouette

What, exactly is it that “IQ Tests” are supposed to measure? In the past, IQ test results have been used to justify racism, eugenics and forced sterilization, not to mention groups of self-proclaimed “elites” who base their overall human superiority on their ability to achieve high test scores.

IQ tests can not predict if someone has an aptitude for the creative arts, interpersonal or entrepreneurial skills, or physical stamina. IQ tests can only measure a person’s ability to solve certain types of puzzles or compete at 3D chess.

I am phobic about IQ tests. I took one in the fourth grade, and ended up in the ‘gifted and talented’ program in middle school, with some of the most awful people I’ve ever met.

352 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:59:58am

re: #348 Gus 802

I know. People will get dressed like they’re going to be exposed to subzero temperature for 12 hours to get from their car to the door of their store. Most modern inhabitants of the urban landscape overreact to cold events.

It is a bit of sport for some. I’ve gotten calls from my parents asking me “so, I heard you really got a lot of snow, you aunt so and so think you should move out of Denver, they get too much snow.” Then I’ll respond, “what snow?”

It’s seems to be a common response that the rest of the country thinks Denver stays snowed in for the winter. Denver gets less snow than some east coast cities and areas.

During a normal winter, Denver may have two or three large snow events a year.

And once in a while, like 2006-2007, you get a blizzard every weekend for 6 weeks straight. But that’s rare.

353 Bubblehead II  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:01:00am

Morning Lizards. This is interesting.

IAF jets intercept unidentified object near Dimona reactor

IDF sources say unmanned object had an engine, was flying in closed airspace in Dead Sea area; shots fired after Air Force considers possible damage; army looking into incident.

354 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:02:17am

re: #352 Walter L. Newton

It’s seems to be a common response that the rest of the country thinks Denver stays snowed in for the winter. Denver gets less snow than some east coast cities and areas.

During a normal winter, Denver may have two or three large snow events a year.

And once in a while, like 2006-2007, you get a blizzard every weekend for 6 weeks straight. But that’s rare.

Yeah. I think for people that live outside of Denver the city encompasses a 500 mile radius. Plus outside news outlets will report something from Vail and sign off as the local affiliate “from Denver.”

355 RogueOne  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:03:18am

re: #347 lawhawk

There should be at least 70 votes if people forget about their party for one damn vote and instead focus on their conscience.

356 RogueOne  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:04:50am

re: #353 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards. This is interesting.

IAF jets intercept unidentified object near Dimona reactor

IDF sources say unmanned object had an engine, was flying in closed airspace in Dead Sea area; shots fired after Air Force considers possible damage; army looking into incident.

From the pages link:


re: #1 Decatur Deb

Elves report Santa overdue from maintenance test flight.

357 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:05:05am

re: #354 Gus 802

Yeah. I think for people that live outside of Denver the city encompasses a 500 mile radius. Plus outside news outlets will report something from Vail and sign off as the local affiliate “from Denver.”

No kidding. Now, outside the city, up here, and further up and west, yes, a large snow event is common, on a weekly basis. But once again, on rare winters, like this one, certain areas have way below normal snow level. In Conifer, we normally should have seen a few 1 foot plus snow storms already… starting as early as Sept.

We’ve had under 6 inches total so far.

358 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:05:13am

re: #345 Walter L. Newton

I’m not trying to beat you up. Most of what comes out of my mouth is a mixture of facts and sarcasm, with tongue firmly planted in my cheek.

I know.

I forgot my sarc tag!

359 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:05:37am

re: #355 RogueOne

There should be at least 70 votes if people forget about their party for one damn vote and instead focus on their conscience.

Yes there would, shame John McCain can’t live up to that promise he made about “Country First”.

360 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:05:56am

re: #353 Bubblehead II

Hamas and Fatah have both been flirting with obtaining UAVs of their own. I’d consider this a possible intel op by Hamas to determine Israeli defenses of their nuclear infrastructure.

361 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:06:58am

Remember folks, you wouldn’t have heard this interview if it weren’t for NPR, and the GOP is doing everything it can to yank NPR’s funding. NPR does some of the best journalism out there. Keep that in mind next time you hear a bunch of wingers screaming their heads off about “liberal bias”.

362 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:06:59am

re: #272 Killgore Trout

I’m always suspicious about organ harvesting claims. Do you think it;s a credible allegation?

That is my question too. There’s been a lot of allegations of Israel doing the same, none of which have panned out, and the Soviet Union spent years spreading ‘baby parts’ rumors about the US kidnapping children from Latin America and slaughtering them.

It’s not to say it’s impossible, but it’s a fairly common political slander, and aside from China’s use of executed prisoners as a source of organs, I’ve never really seen evidence emerge from the accusations.

363 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:07:39am

re: #358 researchok

I know.

I forgot my sarc tag!

Hmmm…
4/10 for effort.
:P

364 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:07:41am

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

No kidding. Now, outside the city, up here, and further up and west, yes, a large snow event is common, on a weekly basis. But once again, on rare winters, like this one, certain areas have way below normal snow level. In Conifer, we normally should have seen a few 1 foot plus snow storms already… starting as early as Sept.

We’ve had under 6 inches total so far.

We had a rain shower yesterday — late afternoon. Wasn’t much. Looked out my window before and made note of the mountains (foothills) which are brown instead of white.

365 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:07:59am

re: #361 Fozzie Bear

Remember folks, you wouldn’t have heard this interview if it weren’t for NPR, and the GOP is doing everything it can to yank NPR’s funding. NPR does some of the best journalism out there. Keep that in mind next time you hear a bunch of wingers screaming their heads off about “liberal bias”.

Liberal bass… liberal bass… yea… I just caught me some liberal bass!!

366 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:08:28am

re: #297 Gus 802

I think some of the logic here was “if you don’t like Robert Stacy McCain you surely must support (i.e. like) Julian Assange.”

I think they’re both scum. What does that make me?

367 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:09:16am

re: #366 SanFranciscoZionist

I think they’re both scum. What does that make me?

A dyed in the wool Lizard.

/

368 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:09:24am

re: #366 SanFranciscoZionist

I think they’re both scum. What does that make me?

A Lizard

369 RogueOne  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:09:28am

re: #359 jamesfirecat

Yes there would, shame John McCain can’t live up to that promise he made about “Country First”.

McCain was originally against it before he was for it (when running for prez) and now he’s against it again. Flip-flip-flopper but he wasn’t the guy in charge. That honor belongs to Mr. Reid. I’ll refrain from calling him any of the names that pop into the top of my head.

370 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:09:41am

re: #366 SanFranciscoZionist

I think they’re both scum. What does that make me?

Secretive Yankee sympathizer.

371 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:09:45am

re: #367 Gus 802

A dyed in the wool Lizard.

/

dang, ya got me

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:10:14am

re: #347 lawhawk

Sen. Brown will back DADT repeal, bringing the number of Senators to 61.

Good for Scott Brown. The truck man has worked out better than I feared.

373 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:10:18am

re: #294 Killgore Trout

….. maybe he believes that but all I see is bogus stories from al Jazeera……


I like them, makes me feel good… all of those “all powerful jewish cabal” stuff always raises my spirits.

/kidding tag

374 Bubblehead II  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:10:39am

re: #356 RogueOne

Had to scroll all the way back up to the top to see that it had been posted. Dang!

375 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:10:39am

re: #365 Walter L. Newton

Liberal bass… liberal bass… yea… I just caught me some liberal bass!!

That damn GOP is everywhere!

//

376 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:11:26am

re: #346 cenotaphium

The best comment I’ve seen on IQ test is that they clearly show how good you are.. at solving IQ tests.
Worse than the misunderstanding that a high IQ means you are objectively “intelligent” is the attempts to try to show racial differences on the grounds of IQ test performance. And indeed, such differences could be shown. They were especially high when no attempt was made to try to develop a comparable test for the local culture. Try solving a Rubik’s cube when you think the objective is to make patterns. :/

I have an exceptionally high IQ. Like everyone on the internet.

My IQ averages about 133 over several tests, but my EQ is probably in the single digits, and my true social ability is in negative territory. They really are not good tests.

377 RogueOne  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:11:37am

re: #374 Bubblehead II

Had to scroll all the way back up to the top to see that it had been posted. Dang!

I loved the DD quote so much I wanted to share.

378 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:11:50am

re: #364 Gus 802

We had a rain shower yesterday — late afternoon. Wasn’t much. Looked out my window before and made note of the mountains (foothills) which are brown instead of white.

If I go down the road to 285, and then south on 285 to the Richmond Hill overpass… I can see a lot of white all along the continental divide. But it seems that the good storms are hanging up on the divide and not tumbling over and moving east.

It’s the Jet stream. It’s so north this year, it’s not pushing the storms too far south, they hit the divide, go north, skip north of here, head across the upper midwest, like they did a few days ago, and Minnesota got hammered.

379 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:12:45am

re: #361 Fozzie Bear

NPR does some of the best journalism out there.

If that is true, and I am not saying it isn’t…. then they should be able to stand without public funding. I mean if you believe that the BEST would find an audience… a big audience…

380 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:12:51am

re: #365 Walter L. Newton

Liberal bass… liberal bass… yea… I just caught me some liberal bass!!

Oh???
Where’s Killgore when ya need him???

381 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:13:19am

re: #376 b_sharp

My IQ averages about 133 over several tests, but my EQ is probably in the single digits, and my true social ability is in negative territory. They really are not good tests.

I took an online ‘test’ that gave me some quite high number, don’t remember—but it was heavy on language questions. I speak really, really good English.

One that was heavy on math or spatial relationships would have given me something much much lower.

It’s all a question of what you’re actually testing.

382 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:13:32am

re: #379 Buck

If that is true, and I am not saying it isn’t… then they should be able to stand without public funding. I mean if you believe that the BEST would find an audience… a big audience…

If that was true… Coors would have gone out of business a long time ago.

383 Bubblehead II  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:13:56am

re: #360 lawhawk

Possible, but I am going to give it the 24 hr rule and see what else is reported about it or who tries to take credit for it.

384 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:13:59am

re: #379 Buck

If that is true, and I am not saying it isn’t… then they should be able to stand without public funding. I mean if you believe that the BEST would find an audience… a big audience…

Only if people are interested /want to hear the truth…

The fact that Fox News leads the raitings war right now would suggest otherwise…l

385 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:14:25am

I’ll be scarce for a few days—our family does its Christmas a week early so the kids and grandkids can scatter to their in-laws.

On a related note: Why the hell does a mop require 4 AA batteries and a tri-lingual instruction manual?

BBL

386 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:14:36am

re: #384 jamesfirecat

Only if people are interested /want to hear the truth…

The fact that Fox News leads the raitings war right now would suggest otherwise…l

Is that the Bonnie Raitings War?

387 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:15:01am

re: #384 jamesfirecat

Only if people are interested /want to hear the truth

The fact that Fox News leads the raitings war right now would suggest otherwise…l

That’s subjective.

388 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:15:47am

re: #379 Buck

If that is true, and I am not saying it isn’t… then they should be able to stand without public funding. I mean if you believe that the BEST would find an audience… a big audience…

Where did you get the idea that market share has any relationship whatsoever with quality? Moreover, why do you think, as your response would imply, that there shouldn’t be any such thing as public broadcasting?

389 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:16:06am

re: #387 Gus 802

That’s subjective.

Oh boy…

390 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:18:51am

re: #382 Walter L. Newton

If that was true… Coors would have gone out of business a long time ago.

But it’s the Banquet of Beers!

391 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:18:56am

re: #387 Gus 802

That’s subjective.

Which may, or may not, be handled.

392 cenotaphium  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:19:25am

re: #381 SanFranciscoZionist

I took an online ‘test’ that gave me some quite high number, don’t remember—but it was heavy on language questions. I speak really, really good English.

One that was heavy on math or spatial relationships would have given me something much much lower.

It’s all a question of what you’re actually testing.

One of the big education changes here in Sweden is the shift from a 2/3 focus on language to a 2/3 focus on math on the equivalent to the SATs. The reasoning is fairly sound, in that there should be more emphasis on actual ability to solve problems, rather than the ability to use fancy words to explain how you could have solved the problem, but preferred not to.

Which puts me in the awkward position of approving a change that will actually hamper my own scores. Oh well.

393 Bubblehead II  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:19:47am

re: #377 RogueOne

Thanks.

394 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:20:22am

re: #391 Varek Raith

Which may, or may not, be handled.

• YMMV.
• Void where prohibited by law.
• Consult your physician.

Free brochure.

395 rwdflynavy  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:22:51am

re: #394 Gus 802

• YMMV.
• Void where prohibited by law.
• Consult your physician.

Free brochure.

Please listen closely as our menu options have changed.

396 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:23:05am

It would appear that a single case of HIV has been cured through stem-cell transplantation.

397 cenotaphium  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:23:14am

re: #385 Decatur Deb

On a related note: Why the hell does a mop require 4 AA batteries and a tri-lingual instruction manual?

I bet it vibrates. That’s a big thing now apparently. I bought what I thought was an ordinary toothbrush, but lo and behold, it could vibrate. That is, there are no moving parts on the brush, like on a real electric toothbrush.. the damn thing just shakes in your hand.
Which makes me look at it awkwardly, since it seems to be closer in function to a vibe rather than a brush.

I guess that’s one way of actually making mopping fun, if only it didn’t also necessitate further use of said mop.

398 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:23:44am

re: #394 Gus 802

• YMMV.
• Void where prohibited by law.
• Consult your physician.

Free brochure.

Consult your doctor immediately if it last more than four hours.

399 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:24:10am

re: #397 cenotaphium

It makes you wonder about the brooms in Harry Potter.

400 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:24:17am

re: #388 Fozzie Bear

Where did you get the idea that market share has any relationship whatsoever with quality? Moreover, why do you think, as your response would imply, that there shouldn’t be any such thing as public broadcasting?

I think I was very clear. I know that the prevailing thought around here is the “Masses are Asses”. I just don’t agree.

In a more perfect world, I should be entitled to that opinion, without being attacked.

401 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:24:42am

re: #398 Varek Raith

Consult your doctor immediately if it last more than four hours.

“Come to my office immediately!”

“I can’t doc’. Can’t put my pants on.”

//

402 cenotaphium  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:26:09am

re: #399 Fozzie Bear

It makes you wonder about the brooms in Harry Potter.

Did you see the article about the actual vibrating toy brooms? Apparently the kids liked them..

Image: hpbroomstick.JPG

403 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:26:21am

re: #400 Buck

What are you talking about?

404 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:26:23am

re: #401 Gus 802

“Come to my office immediately!”

“I can’t doc’. Can’t put my pants on.”

//

Patient: It has been like this for more than five hours. Nurse, can you give me something for it?

Nurse: How about half my salary and my pension?

405 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:26:29am

re: #400 Buck

I think I was very clear. I know that the prevailing thought around here is the “Masses are Asses”. I just don’t agree.

In a more perfect world, I should be entitled to that opinion, without being attacked.

If the “masses are asses,” then who do you think listens to NPR, only the far left intellectual elite?

406 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:27:00am

re: #396 Fozzie Bear

It would appear that a single case of HIV has been cured through stem-cell transplantation.

Crossing fingers. Damn. If it works…

407 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:27:02am

re: #402 cenotaphium

Did you see the article about the actual vibrating toy brooms? Apparently the kids liked them..

Image: hpbroomstick.JPG

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The last paragraph is the kicker.

408 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:27:34am

re: #400 Buck

I think I was very clear. I know that the prevailing thought around here is the “Masses are Asses”. I just don’t agree.

In a more perfect world, I should be entitled to that opinion, without being attacked.

Fox News is the most wildly watched news network in America (as they oft remind us.)

Fox News programming is full of lies, half truths, and right wing propaganda (as Charles is in turn oft to remind us)

Draw what conclusion you feel are appropriate….

409 rwdflynavy  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:27:37am

re: #405 Walter L. Newton

If the “masses are asses,” then who do you think listens to NPR, only the far left intellectual elite?

Coffee house hipsters with turtlneck sweaters.
//

410 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:28:13am

re: #351 SanFranciscoZionist

I am phobic about IQ tests. I took one in the fourth grade, and ended up in the ‘gifted and talented’ program in middle school, with some of the most awful people I’ve ever met.

I made a comment here somewhere in the last couple months very similar to this one—except it was third grade. I opted out of the gifted program after 7th grade.

411 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:28:18am

re: #405 Walter L. Newton

If the “masses are asses,” then who do you think listens to NPR, only the far left intellectual elite?

You mean like Randi Rhodes and Naomi Wolf?

412 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:28:26am

re: #400 Buck

I think I was very clear. I know that the prevailing thought around here is the “Masses are Asses”. I just don’t agree.

In a more perfect world, I should be entitled to that opinion, without being attacked.

Is there something about NPR which you feel is unfit for the masses?

413 rwdflynavy  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:28:42am

re: #408 jamesfirecat

Fox News is the most wildly watched news network in America (as they oft remind us.)

Fox News programming is full of lies, half truths, and right wing propaganda (as Charles is in turn oft to remind us)

Draw what conclusion you feel are appropriate…

widely too.

414 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:28:50am

re: #388 Fozzie Bear

Where did you get the idea that market share has any relationship whatsoever with quality? Moreover, why do you think, as your response would imply, that there shouldn’t be any such thing as public broadcasting?

Given the purchasing habits of consumers, I see no reason at all to believe that there is any correlation between quality, usefulness, or benefit of a product and its popularity.

415 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:28:54am

re: #412 Fozzie Bear

Is there something about NPR which you feel is unfit for the masses?

IT’S WIBERAL!!!

416 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:29:07am

re: #409 rwdflynavy

Coffee house hipsters with turtlneck sweaters.
//

Cigarettes, bongo drums, and berets.

417 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:29:23am

re: #397 cenotaphium

I bet it vibrates. That’s a big thing now apparently. I bought what I thought was an ordinary toothbrush, but lo and behold, it could vibrate. That is, there are no moving parts on the brush, like on a real electric toothbrush.. the damn thing just shakes in your hand.
Which makes me look at it awkwardly, since it seems to be closer in function to a vibe rather than a brush.

I guess that’s one way of actually making mopping fun, if only it didn’t also necessitate further use of said mop.

I’m a guy, that feature is lost on me. (Actually the damn thing spits fluid on the floor in front of itself. I could do that.)

418 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:30:00am

re: #415 Varek Raith

IT’S WIBERAL!!!

If you’re going to use the word liberal, at least spell it correctly… “It’s socialist!!!”

419 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:30:04am

I wish coffee houses had those things, again. Now they’re just dead quiet with a bunch of people on their electronic devices.

420 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:30:16am

My wife sent me this.

If you have raised kids (or been one), and gone through the pet syndrome, including toilet flush burials for dead goldfish, the story below will have you laughing out LOUD!

I had to take my son’s lizard to the vet.

Here’s what happened:

Just after dinner one night, my son came up to tell me there was “something wrong” with one of the two lizards he holds prisoner in his room.

“He’s just lying there looking sick,” he told me. “I’m serious,Dad. Can you help?”

I put my best lizard-healer expression on my face and followed him into his bedroom. One of the little lizards was indeed lying on his back, looking stressed. I immediately knew what to do.

“Honey,” I called, “come look at the lizard!”
“Oh, my gosh!” my wife exclaimed. “She’s having babies.”

“What?” my son demanded. “But their names are Bert and Ernie, Mom!”

I was equally outraged.

“Hey, how can that be? I thought we said we didn’t want them to reproduce,” I said accusingly to my wife.

“Well, what do you want me to do, post a sign in their cage?” she inquired. (I think she actually said this sarcastically!)

“No, but you were supposed to get two boys!”

“Yeah, Bert and Ernie!” my son agreed.

“Well, it’s just a little hard to tell on some guys, you know,” she informed me. (Again with the sarcasm!)

By now the rest of the family had gathered to see what was going on. I shrugged, deciding to make the best of it.

“Kids, this is going to be a wondrous experience,” I announced. “We’re about to witness the miracle of birth.”

“Oh, gross!” they shrieked.

We peered at the patient. After much struggling, what looked like a tiny foot would appear briefly, vanishing a scant second later.

“We don’t appear to be making much progress,” I noted.

“It’s breech,” my wife whispered, horrified.

“Do something, Dad!” my son urged.

“Okay, okay.” Squeamishly, I reached in and grabbed the foot when it next appeared, giving it a gentle tug. It disappeared. I tried several more times with the same results.

“Should I call 911?” my eldest daughter wanted to know.

“Maybe they could talk us through the trauma.” (You see a pattern here with the females in my house?)

“Let’s get Ernie to the vet,” I said grimly. We drove to the vet with my son holding the cage in his lap.

“Breathe, Ernie, breathe,” he urged.

The vet took Ernie back to the examining room and peered at the little animal through a magnifying glass.

“What do you think, Doc, a C-section?” I suggested scientifically.

“Oh, very interesting,” he murmured. “Mr. and Mrs. Cameron, may I speak to you privately for a moment?”

I gulped, nodding for my son to step outside.

“Is Ernie going to be okay?” my wife asked.

“Oh, perfectly,” the vet assured us. “This lizard is not in labor. In fact, that isn’t EVER going to happen. Ernie is a boy. You see, Ernie is a young male. And occasionally, as they come into maturity, like most male species, they um . . um … masturbate. Just the way he did, lying on his back.” He blushed, glancing at my wife.

We were silent, absorbing this.

“So, Ernie’s just, just … excited,” my wife offered.

“Exactly,” the vet replied, relieved that we understood.

More silence. Then my vicious, cruel wife started to giggle. And giggle. And then even laugh loudly.

Tears were now running down her face. “It’s just … that …I’m picturing you pulling on its … its… teeny little …”

She gasped for more air to bellow in laughter once more.

“That’s enough,” I warned. We thanked the vet and hurriedly bundled the lizard and our son back into the car. He was glad everything was going to be okay.

“I know Ernie’s really thankful for what you did, Dad,” he told me.

“Oh, you have NO idea,” my wife agreed, collapsing with laughter.

421 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:30:38am

re: #418 Walter L. Newton

If you’re going to use the word liberal, at least spell it correctly… “It’s socialist!!!”

Silence, ☭!

422 rwdflynavy  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:30:39am

re: #416 Gus 802

Cigarettes, bongo drums, and berets.

Don’t forget the ennui.
//

423 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:30:53am

re: #406 SanFranciscoZionist

Crossing fingers. Damn. If it works…

Here’s hoping they can apply what they learned from that one patient to a broader pool of patients. I’m reminded of the South Park episode where they discover a cure for HIV, and that cure consists of injecting huge amounts of cash into patients.

424 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:31:38am

re: #419 Gus 802

I wish coffee houses had those things, again. Now they’re just dead quiet with a bunch of people on their electronic devices.

No shit. Ever catch some of those places in East Denver. I remember a time when you could debate issues with total strangers and no one was a bit insulted that you had an opinion different than theirs.

No you can’t even raise an eyebrow if you yelled “fire.”

425 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:31:48am

re: #416 Gus 802

Cigarettes, bongo drums, and berets.

All of a sudden I’m jonesing for a smoke- and I quit years ago.

426 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:32:30am

re: #403 Obdicut

What are you talking about?

Really? Do I have to summarize my every post? Can’t you follow the thread?

NPR has the best reporting.
AS the best it should have an audience that would support it financially in the same way that other broadcasters do.

James commented that the fact that FOX NEWS gets high ratings suggests that a majority don’t want that quality (truth he called it).

It is my opinion that the prevailing “truth” here is that if FOX has the biggest audience, then they must be stupid. That smart people would not watch FOX News.

Anyway, now you are caught up….

427 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:32:34am

re: #420 b_sharp

My wife sent me this.

I LOLed.

428 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:32:37am

re: #425 researchok

All of a sudden I’m jonesing for a smoke- and I quit years ago.

Was it the berets that did it?

429 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:33:12am

re: #424 Walter L. Newton

No shit. Ever catch some of those places in East Denver. I remember a time when you could debate issues with total strangers and no one was a bit insulted that you had an opinion different than theirs.

No you can’t even raise an eyebrow if you yelled “fire.”

The weird part is that if you say anything loud they seem to get upset even if you happen to be on their side. It’s like this blue blood atmosphere in most places.

430 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:33:23am

re: #412 Fozzie Bear

Is there something about NPR which you feel is unfit for the masses?

Not at all. I never said any such thing.

431 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:33:29am

I said blue blood!

Tea Party!

//

432 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:34:44am

re: #428 Fozzie Bear

Was it the berets that did it?

Yeah…I had visions of packets Gauloises littering too small tables surrounded by too many chairs.

433 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:34:52am

re: #426 Buck

Really? Do I have to summarize my every post? Can’t you follow the thread?

NPR has the best reporting.
AS the best it should have an audience that would support it financially in the same way that other broadcasters do.

James commented that the fact that FOX NEWS gets high ratings suggests that a majority don’t want that quality (truth he called it).

It is my opinion that the prevailing “truth” here is that if FOX has the biggest audience, then they must be stupid. That smart people would not watch FOX News.

Anyway, now you are caught up…

I love how James disagrees with you, and therefore the ‘prevailing ‘truth” can be determined from that.

And can you stop accusing people of not following the thread if your opinions don’t make sense to them?

434 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:35:42am

re: #405 Walter L. Newton

If the “masses are asses,” then who do you think listens to NPR, only the far left intellectual elite?

I didn’t say that. Thank you for putting words in my mouth.

435 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:36:15am

McDonald’s is the most popular restaurant ever!
Therefore, they have the best food ever!

436 Bubblehead II  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:37:35am

re: #406 SanFranciscoZionist

Crossing fingers. Damn. If it works…

Here is an article about this that goes a little further in depth about this case.

Report: Transplant may have cured man of AIDS

“It’s an interesting proof-of-concept that with pretty extraordinary measures a patient could be cured of HIV,” but it is far too risky to become standard therapy even if matched donors could be found, said Dr. Michael Saag of the University of Alabama at Birmingham.

Sorry.

437 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:37:57am

re: #434 Buck

I didn’t say that. Thank you for putting words in my mouth.

You’re sarcasm meter is broken… fix it.

438 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:38:07am

re: #433 SanFranciscoZionist

I love how James disagrees with you, and therefore the ‘prevailing ‘truth” can be determined from that.

And can you stop accusing people of not following the thread if your opinions don’t make sense to them?

Wait I’ve been designated as the official voice of LGF?

I must make to only use this great power vested within me to fight for truth justice and the American way!

439 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:38:27am

re: #437 Walter L. Newton

You’re sarcasm meter is broken… fix it.

Lol, you’d think people would’ve caught on by now.
;)

440 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:39:42am

re: #400 Buck

I think I was very clear. I know that the prevailing thought around here is the “Masses are Asses”. I just don’t agree.

In a more perfect world, I should be entitled to that opinion, without being attacked.

Being ‘attacked’ as you put it is nothing more (or less) than our invitation to you to argue your point with sound reasoning.

You are certainly entitled to an opinion in areas where opinions matter, but in other areas, not so much if there is substantive evidence your opinion is ill informed.

441 rwdflynavy  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:39:44am

re: #438 jamesfirecat

Wait I’ve been designated as the official voice of LGF?

I must make to only use this great power vested within me to fight for truth justice and the American way!

You Da Man!

442 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:39:56am

re: #433 SanFranciscoZionist

I love how James disagrees with you, and therefore the ‘prevailing ‘truth” can be determined from that.

And can you stop accusing people of not following the thread if your opinions don’t make sense to them?

I see, so I can’t have an opinion?

How many times during the last election did people here call the voters stupid? How many times have FOX viewers been called stupid? How many times have people here suggested the tea party supporters are stupid?

But hey…. let’s see where this goes…. You don’t support James in his feeling that FOX news is not real news, and is widely watched? And that would mean that most of the people watching cable news are ?????

443 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:40:42am

re: #406 SanFranciscoZionist

Crossing fingers. Damn. If it works…

Four years and counting.

444 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:41:30am

re: #442 Buck

How’d you plot that course???

SFZ said no such thing…

445 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:42:03am

re: #438 jamesfirecat

Wait I’ve been designated as the official voice of LGF?

I must make to only use this great power vested within me to fight for truth justice and the American way!

You probably just have to go to the bathroom… take a piss and get over it.

446 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:42:52am

re: #442 Buck

I see, so I can’t have an opinion?

How many times during the last election did people here call the voters stupid? How many times have FOX viewers been called stupid? How many times have people here suggested the tea party supporters are stupid?

But hey… let’s see where this goes… You don’t support James in his feeling that FOX news is not real news, and is widely watched? And that would mean that most of the people watching cable news are ???

No, you have an opinion. Some people here are not agreeing with it.

And I think Fox is a crap network. I think people watch it for various reasons, and I suspect most of them do so not because they are ‘stupid’, but because Fox reinforces their beliefs about the world, and caters to their prejudices. This is something that most people, regardless of intelligence, find appealing.

447 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:42:54am

Everyone is speaking in Esperanto again.

/

448 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:42:59am

re: #435 Varek Raith

McDonald’s is the most popular restaurant ever!
Therefore, they have the best food ever!

No, not at all what is being said. Try this: the restaurant that DOES have the best food ever should be able to compete and find enough customers to stay in business.

449 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:43:25am

re: #447 Gus 802

Everyone is speaking in Esperanto again.

/

I can speak Elven.
:P

450 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:43:46am

re: #406 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #426 Buck


It is my opinion that the prevailing “truth” here is that if FOX has the biggest audience, then they must be stupid. That smart people would not watch FOX News..

I think you’ve rather got that backwards. FOX sends out a lot of disinformation, and therefore people who watch FOX learn a lot of things that are factually incorrect. It doesn’t have anything to do with native intelligence at all. It does mean that people who watch FOX are demonstrably more ill-informed than others.

In fact, if you read the thread, you’ll find people, like myself, arguing against the idea of any single measure of intelligence.

451 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:44:10am

re: #449 Varek Raith

I can speak Elven.
:P

They need you down at the woodshop.

452 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:44:15am

re: #396 Fozzie Bear

That’s a seriously overblown story as the purported cure is most likely a fluke of a stem cell therapy, chemotherapy, and a bone marrow transplant and the specific circumstances of the patient’s genetics. Instead of taking retrovirals, the guy now takes the anti-rejection drugs. It’s a time consuming and costly procedure that may eventually lead to other treatment paths, but it isn’t the breakthrough that some headlines were screaming.

453 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:44:30am

re: #450 Obdicut

Whoops, sorry, SFZ, friendly fire on that post.

454 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:44:42am

re: #449 Varek Raith

Just wait until I bust out the Vogon poetry.

455 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:44:50am

re: #426 Buck

Really? Do I have to summarize my every post? Can’t you follow the thread?

NPR has the best reporting.
AS the best it should have an audience that would support it financially in the same way that other broadcasters do. (1)

James commented that the fact that FOX NEWS gets high ratings suggests that a majority don’t want that quality (truth he called it).

It is my opinion that the prevailing “truth” here is that if FOX has the biggest audience, then they must be stupid. That smart people would not watch FOX News. (2)

Anyway, now you are caught up…

(1) - For that to be true, it would have to also be true that something as important and beneficial as superior journalism would be valued sufficiently by the market that ‘the best reporting should get the best financial support’. There is no reason to believe this. There is no reason to believe that quality or benefit of a product has any correlation with market share or popularity.

(2) - Smart people may indeed watch FOX. Being a FOX believer has nothing to do with intelligence, per se, just as belonging to a UFO cult has nothing to do with intelligence per se. Being a FOX believer only requires the desire to have ones preconceived opinions reinforced without exposure to contradictory facts, which naturally has a wide appeal.

456 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:45:14am

re: #448 Buck

No, not at all what is being said. Try this: the restaurant that DOES have the best food ever should be able to compete and find enough customers to stay in business.

NPR would succeed competitively without the small amount of government funding they receive.

However, the drive to lift that funding is pretty obviously partisan, if not revenge-driven. Nu, what else is new in Washington?

457 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:45:41am

re: #442 Buck

I see, so I can’t have an opinion?

How many times during the last election did people here call the voters stupid? How many times have FOX viewers been called stupid? How many times have people here suggested the tea party supporters are stupid?

But hey… let’s see where this goes… You don’t support James in his feeling that FOX news is not real news, and is widely watched? And that would mean that most of the people watching cable news are ???

… satisfied with having their ideological views supported by a major network.

… comfortable with the version of a story they get on Fox and not inclined to find out if there is another side of the story.

… content with having all the news presented to them all tied up in neat little knots, with no challenges to their world view.

Oh… I’m sorry, was I complicating my answer… I’ll make it simple… they word you are looking for is…

LAZY.

458 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:45:56am

re: #450 Obdicut

re: #426 Buck

I think you’ve rather got that backwards. FOX sends out a lot of disinformation, and therefore people who watch FOX learn a lot of things that are factually incorrect. It doesn’t have anything to do with native intelligence at all. It does mean that people who watch FOX are demonstrably more ill-informed than others.

In fact, if you read the thread, you’ll find people, like myself, arguing against the idea of any single measure of intelligence.

I think that’s it…FOX is a disinformation channel in many ways.

459 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:46:19am

I watch Fox all the time.

House
American Dad
Family Guy

460 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:46:49am

re: #459 Gus 802

I watch Fox all the time.

House
American Dad
Family Guy

Big whoop, wanna fight about it?

461 Gus  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:47:49am

re: #460 Varek Raith

Big whoop, wanna fight about it?

You can’t disenfranchise me!

462 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:48:15am

re: #459 Gus 802

I watch Fox all the time.

House
American Dad
Family Guy

Hey I honestly still like the Simpsons.

And Sarah Connor Chronicles was pretty cool also because it had Summer Glau…

463 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:48:48am

re: #462 jamesfirecat

Hey I honestly still like the Simpsons.

And Sarah Connor Chronicles was pretty cool also because it had Summer Glau

She can kick my ass anytime…
Wait…what?

464 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:49:59am

re: #444 Varek Raith

How’d you plot that course???

SFZ said no such thing…

Wow,

She said “I love how James disagrees with you, and therefore the ‘prevailing ‘truth” can be determined from that.”

She seems to have taken that from my summary. I only mentioned James in that summary because it was a summary of relevant posts in this thread. So I tried to show how it wasn’t just James, without spending the next 8 hours searching and cutting and pasting.

If you don’t think that calling a majority of cable news viewers as prejudiced, ill informed (etc) can be said as the “masses are asses” that is fine with me.

465 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:51:06am

re: #464 Buck

But Buck, it is demonstrably true that the watchers of FOX are ill-informed, and it’s rather easy to see how they got that way, given the disinformation FOX puts out. What is confusing you about this?

466 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:52:21am

re: #464 Buck

Seemed to have touched a nerve, eh?
It’s no different than the crap the right spews about Obama supporters. Or the crap the right spews about unions.

467 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:53:39am

re: #426 Buck

Really? Do I have to summarize my every post? Can’t you follow the thread?

NPR has the best reporting.
AS the best it should have an audience that would support it financially in the same way that other broadcasters do.

James commented that the fact that FOX NEWS gets high ratings suggests that a majority don’t want that quality (truth he called it).

It is my opinion that the prevailing “truth” here is that if FOX has the biggest audience, then they must be stupid. That smart people would not watch FOX News.

Anyway, now you are caught up…

Two errors.

If the ‘vote’, meaning monetary support, is split between a number of candidates, then each one will have fewer votes than their unique opposite, therefore Fox having big numbers does not mean it is the best, it means its competition on the right is fewer in number than the networks either on the left or centre.

That there are so many flocking to Fox means they are getting something from having their biases stroked, and that happens with all people of all intelligence levels, so you are wrong when claiming we can only view them as stupid according to your logic.

This might help in your next argument.

468 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:54:36am

re: #466 Varek Raith

Seemed to have touched a nerve, eh?
It’s no different than the crap the right spews about Obama supporters. Or the crap the right spews about unions.

My Magical Balance Fairy is hotter than yours!
Image: butterfly-m-by-kjun.jpg
XD

469 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:55:09am

re: #464 Buck

Wow,

She said “I love how James disagrees with you, and therefore the ‘prevailing ‘truth” can be determined from that.”

She seems to have taken that from my summary. I only mentioned James in that summary because it was a summary of relevant posts in this thread. So I tried to show how it wasn’t just James, without spending the next 8 hours searching and cutting and pasting.

If you don’t think that calling a majority of cable news viewers as prejudiced, ill informed (etc) can be said as the “masses are asses” that is fine with me.

Buck, let’s see where this goes. Do you think that FOX news is not biased, often unfactual, and pandering to the fears and prejudices of their target audience?

Note, ‘MSNBC isn’t perfect either’ is not an answer to this question.

470 cenotaphium  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:55:20am

re: #448 Buck

No, not at all what is being said. Try this: the restaurant that DOES have the best food ever should be able to compete and find enough customers to stay in business.

I think the fundamental problem here is that you are creating some sort of platonic ideal scenario for what would drive the success behind the restaurant/news outlet, based solely on one factor. Do you really need to have it spelled out how this will fail to match reality?
You could have the best food in the world and not do any business at all if no one knew that you had a store. A party that is better at marketing can outsell a superior product anytime. (Hey, that’s one additional axis for your little thought experiment! I bet we could find more!)

This is probably what I hate most about “market” based argumentation. It’s always some abstract idealistic scenario used to justify what you personally hold to be true, regardless of reality.

471 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:57:14am

re: #455 Renaissance_Man

(1) - For that to be true, it would have to also be true that something as important and beneficial as superior journalism would be valued sufficiently by the market that ‘the best reporting should get the best financial support’.

Nope, that is a logical leap. The best reporting should be able to find financial support in the same way that other broadcasters do. Does not mean they get more, just that they should be able to find support without taxpayers.


(2) - Smart people may indeed watch FOX. Being a FOX believer has nothing to do with intelligence, per se, just as belonging to a UFO cult has nothing to do with intelligence per se. Being a FOX believer only requires the desire to have ones preconceived opinions reinforced without exposure to contradictory facts, which naturally has a wide appeal.

Really? You want to stand on that? It is really that simple? Of course you are saying that those beliefs are just as right as any others correct? I mean you are not making any judgement on those beliefs. OK, lets go with that.

472 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:58:04am

re: #420 b_sharp

My wife sent me this.

Lizards are reptiles. They lay eggs. This whole story is BS.

473 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:58:14am

re: #452 lawhawk

That’s a seriously overblown story as the purported cure is most likely a fluke of a stem cell therapy, chemotherapy, and a bone marrow transplant and the specific circumstances of the patient’s genetics. Instead of taking retrovirals, the guy now takes the anti-rejection drugs. It’s a time consuming and costly procedure that may eventually lead to other treatment paths, but it isn’t the breakthrough that some headlines were screaming.

It has to do with the genetics of the donor.

474 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:59:33am

re: #469 SanFranciscoZionist

Buck, let’s see where this goes. Do you think that FOX news is not biased, often unfactual, and pandering to the fears and prejudices of their target audience?

Note, ‘MSNBC isn’t perfect either’ is not an answer to this question.

Why not? Why is all media outlets show some bias, and make mistakes NOT an answer?

NPR never shows a bias?

475 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:00:11am

re: #471 Buck


Really? You want to stand on that? It is really that simple? Of course you are saying that those beliefs are just as right as any others correct? I mean you are not making any judgement on those beliefs. OK, lets go with that.

Stop sniping and state your own opinion, please.

476 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:00:41am

re: #474 Buck

Why not? Why is all media outlets show some bias, and make mistakes NOT an answer?

NPR never shows a bias?

Because FOX is worse about it than any other network.

477 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:02:18am

re: #476 jamesfirecat

Because FOX is worse about it than any other network.

ACORN!
SEIU THUGS!
SOROS!
I HAVE A SPLINTER!

478 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:02:19am

re: #474 Buck

Why not? Why is all media outlets show some bias, and make mistakes NOT an answer?

NPR never shows a bias?

Sure, they probably do. FOX lies, hires demagogue lunatics, and openly slants their coverage to a set political agenda. Pouting about how mean people here are does not change that.

What do you want from this discussion?

479 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:02:45am

re: #467 b_sharp

…..therefore Fox having big numbers does not mean it is the best….

I didn’t say they were the best. It would be crazy to suggest that.

SO, that would make your argument based on a straw man.

480 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:03:36am

re: #474 Buck

Why not? Why is all media outlets show some bias, and make mistakes NOT an answer?

NPR never shows a bias?

You keep making the same errors of logic. Again, go here.

481 cenotaphium  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:03:42am

re: #472 Alouette

Lizards are reptiles. They lay eggs. This whole story is BS.

Not true. There are several species who have live birth.

Here’s an interesting case of a species diverging into both live birth and egg laying, depending on the climate.
[Link: news.nationalgeographic.com…]

482 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:04:44am

re: #479 Buck

I didn’t say they were the best. It would be crazy to suggest that.

SO, that would make your argument based on a straw man.

The argument goes like this.

FOX is not just “not the best” it is actively the worst when it comes to “informing” its viewers.

Yet it has the best raitings.

This suggests an inverse relationship between informing viewiers/listeners and the amount of people who will watch /listen even if it is only one example.

However if correct it provides a very good reason for why NPR needs and deserves government funding.

483 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:05:17am

re: #478 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure, they probably do. FOX lies, hires demagogue lunatics, and openly slants their coverage to a set political agenda. Pouting about how mean people here are does not change that.

What do you want from this discussion?

Well, IF that was true, then what would that mean for the people that cannot seem to see that? I mean what do you think about people who watch FOX news all the time, and think that FOX news is unbiased?

Asses?

484 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:07:37am

re: #483 Buck

Funny…
You can’t seem to discuss that FoxNews openly and blatantly misinforms…
You have to deflect…
Why is that, I wonder?

485 RogueOne  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:07:52am

re: #447 Gus 802

Everyone is speaking in Esperanto again.

/

Sounds like someone might be a closet bob and tom fan?

486 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:08:22am

re: #483 Buck

Well, IF that was true, then what would that mean for the people that cannot seem to see that? I mean what do you think about people who watch FOX news all the time, and think that FOX news is unbiased?

Asses?

Ah, that’s what you want, for me to say that I think FOX viewers are stupid. But I’ve already told you what I think about FOX viewers. Confirmation bias is a powerful, powerful thing.

And yes, some of them are probably as dumb as a box of rocks. Am I making you happy yet?

FOX’s product is pandering crap. It is popular not because it is quality news, but because it is quality partisan entertainment. I don’t think there is really a way to argue with this, and you’re certainly not making much of a case for them—just complaining that we shouldn’t be so mean.

487 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:08:28am

re: #482 jamesfirecat

The argument goes like this.

FOX is not just “not the best” it is actively the worst when it comes to “informing” its viewers.

Yet it has the best raitings.

This suggests an inverse relationship between informing viewiers/listeners and the amount of people who will watch /listen even if it is only one example.

However if correct it provides a very good reason for why NPR needs and deserves government funding.

I am speechless. I would just beg you to print your post out, and place it somewhere safe…. look at it again in 20 years. I don’t think it will make as much sense to you as it clearly does now.

488 cenotaphium  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:09:25am

re: #483 Buck

Well, IF that was true, then what would that mean for the people that cannot seem to see that? I mean what do you think about people who watch FOX news all the time, and think that FOX news is unbiased?

Asses?

It makes them misinformed, according to what we know to be better information.
You are trying way too hard to make this into a confrontational issue. What is your endgame here? You want someone to be angry and write that they just don’t like people who watch Fox? What’ll that prove?

489 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:10:14am

re: #488 cenotaphium

It makes them misinformed, according to what we know to be better information.
You are trying way too hard to make this into a confrontational issue. What is your endgame here? You want someone to be angry and write that they just don’t like people who watch Fox? What’ll that prove?

Confirmation bias!
Oh, noes! The space-time continuum is imploding!

490 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:10:30am

Buck, yes or no. Do you think people watch FOX because they appreciate its quality, unbiased, well-researched reporting of the news of the day?

491 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:10:51am

re: #487 Buck

I am speechless. I would just beg you to print your post out, and place it somewhere safe… look at it again in 20 years. I don’t think it will make as much sense to you as it clearly does now.

How about you try and take a deep breath and explain to me why what said is wrong?

492 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:11:14am

re: #483 Buck

Well, IF that was true, then what would that mean for the people that cannot seem to see that? I mean what do you think about people who watch FOX news all the time, and think that FOX news is unbiased?

Asses?

I told you earlier… LAZY.

493 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:12:27am

re: #423 Fozzie Bear

Here’s hoping they can apply what they learned from that one patient to a broader pool of patients. I’m reminded of the South Park episode where they discover a cure for HIV, and that cure consists of injecting huge amounts of cash into patients.

What a coincidence.

494 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:16:46am

re: #490 SanFranciscoZionist

Buck, yes or no. Do you think people watch FOX because they appreciate its quality, unbiased, well-researched reporting of the news of the day?

I am not defending FOX news (that would be silly here), or it’s viewers (equally absurd thing to do here)……Because most of the people here think…..well, like you do.

495 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:17:15am

re: #494 Buck

I am not defending FOX news (that would be silly here), or it’s viewers (equally absurd thing to do here)…Because most of the people here think…well, like you do.

Buck defending Fox news is silly anywhere.

496 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:17:24am

re: #456 SanFranciscoZionist

NPR would succeed competitively without the small amount of government funding they receive.

However, the drive to lift that funding is pretty obviously partisan, if not revenge-driven. Nu, what else is new in Washington?

I appreciatethe way programming is done at npr. The constant commercial breaks of commercial radio interrupts the flow of thought into snippets that have little intellectual depth.

497 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:17:42am

re: #483 Buck

Well, IF that was true, then what would that mean for the people that cannot seem to see that? I mean what do you think about people who watch FOX news all the time, and think that FOX news is unbiased?

Asses?

That question has been answered half a dozen times in this thread.

498 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:17:52am

re: #494 Buck

I am not defending FOX news (that would be silly here), or it’s viewers (equally absurd thing to do here)…Because most of the people here think…well, like you do.

So, instead, you are just sulking about how bigoted we are?

I’ve stated my opinion. You won’t state yours, you just keep pressuring people to say something mean about FOX viewers.

499 cenotaphium  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:20:35am

re: #494 Buck

I am not defending FOX news (that would be silly here), or it’s viewers (equally absurd thing to do here)…Because most of the people here think…well, like you do.

So you are complaining about homogeneity by refusing to go against the grain? Sounds like a winning strategy right there.

500 Buck  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:21:40am

re: #482 jamesfirecat

OK, let me try.

FOX is not just “not the best” it is actively the worst when it comes to “informing” its viewers.

Your opinion.


Yet it has the best raitings.

Close to a fact…. but not really. Best rating in Cable news. Not anywhere near the best ratings.


This suggests an inverse relationship between informing viewiers/listeners and the amount of people who will watch /listen even if it is only one example.

No relationship suggested at all, because your first point is just your opinion, with nothing to really back it up. And the second part isn’t even supported by fact.

SO your conclusion is simply make up smoke.

501 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:22:25am

re: #494 Buck

I am not defending FOX news (that would be silly here), or it’s viewers (equally absurd thing to do here)…Because most of the people here think…well, like you do.

That’s incredibly pouty and passive-aggressive, even for you.

I would just beg you to print your post out, and place it somewhere safe… look at it again in 24 hours. I don’t think it will seem anywhere near as adult to you as it clearly does now.

502 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:22:42am

re: #500 Buck

OK, let me try.

Your opinion.

Close to a fact… but not really. Best rating in Cable news. Not anywhere near the best ratings.

No relationship suggested at all, because your first point is just your opinion, with nothing to really back it up. And the second part isn’t even supported by fact.

SO your conclusion is simply make up smoke.

Okay then tell you what. What network do you feel is the worst news Network?

If I can objectively prove that Fox is the worst would I have a leg to stand on?

503 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:22:52am

re: #494 Buck

I am not defending FOX news (that would be silly here), or it’s viewers (equally absurd thing to do here)…Because most of the people here think…well, like you do.

That stick you’re trying to poke SFZ with, just ain’t big enough.

504 cenotaphium  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:25:36am

re: #503 b_sharp

That stick you’re trying to poke SFZ with, just ain’t big enough.

I don’t like to complain about the size of a man’s stick, but I’d suggest he try speaking softer.

505 TedStriker  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:25:37am

re: #285 Alouette

Mayor of Detroit is a non-partisan office.

Same here in Nashville, IIRC…

506 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:30:30am

re: #361 Fozzie Bear

Remember folks, you wouldn’t have heard this interview if it weren’t for NPR, and the GOP is doing everything it can to yank NPR’s funding. NPR does some of the best journalism out there. Keep that in mind next time you hear a bunch of wingers screaming their heads off about “liberal bias”.

I don’t think my point could have been better reinforced in any other way. Thank you Buck.

507 APox  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:52:35am

MSNBC: WE LEAN FORWARD

FOX NEWS: WE STEP FORWARD!!!!!11!1!1!

Fox news is focused on profits and high ratings which is great, but I like the idea of NPR maybe being a little less shock value oriented and more focused on actual journalism, like this great piece!

508 CaptainMongles  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:09:59am

There is no such thing as evil.

509 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:58:51pm

re: #508 CaptainMongles

Deep.

510 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:15:51pm

re: #508 CaptainMongles

There is no such thing as evil.

Right. And gravity is an illusion.


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