Gawker Publishes Assange’s Leaked Creepy Emails
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I don’t know what to say about this, except “yeesh.” The Creepy, Lovesick Emails of Julian Assange.
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cenotaphium Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:39:01pm |
The leaks from Assanges private life are oddly satisfying, in a turnabout is fair play way.
Though I suppose we should really condemn it. Individuals and corporations or nations aren't really on a level field.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:39:34pm |
Assange got her phone number, and her license number, without her permission or knowledge, and wouldn't tell her how. But she says she didn't feel threatened.
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Surabaya Stew Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:39:53pm |
The WikiLeaks poohbah gets leaked upon...how fitting!
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lawhawk Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:39:55pm |
Abounding dramatic strangeness (first use of tag).
Indeed.
It certainly plays in to his whole creepy/stalkerish vibe. It also shows Assange as someone who likes to show off his intellectual superiority and then has a superwide ego to match. When things don't go his way? That's where he shows his true colors.
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yasharki Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:40:06pm |
Obdicut: if these emails are real I owe you an apology sir. Assange's a freak it seems, and capable of charges he's been jailed for.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:41:29pm |
re: #4 Charles
Assange got her phone number, and her license number, without her permission or knowledge, and wouldn't tell her how. But she says she didn't feel threatened.
Stalker much?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:41:55pm |
The words Creepy Old Dude are going through my head. Assange is my age. When I was 34, I looked at 19 year-olds and saw...babysitters for my kids.
Grow up.
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wrenchwench Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:43:14pm |
re: #4 Charles
Assange got her phone number, and her license number, without her permission or knowledge, and wouldn't tell her how. But she says she didn't feel threatened.
Perhaps because she was 19 then, and hasn't reconsidered it much in the 6 years since then.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:43:39pm |
The whole "I should expect that from one of your station/class" thing just weirds me out to a large degree.
Serious mental health issues there.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:45:00pm |
I get the distinct impression that Assange has a problem with seeing human beings as human beings.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:45:34pm |
re: #9 EmmmieG
39 here, and recently had occasion to holler "Get off the lawn" at a couple of pukes riding their bikes on the grass.
Ugh. Black socks and khakis shorts can't be far behind.
/
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:46:18pm |
re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The whole "I should expect that from one of your station/class" thing just weirds me out to a large degree.
Serious mental health issues there.
Yeah, that reference to class is rather telling.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:46:21pm |
Anyone interested in the source of these leaks?
I couldn't find any at gawker?
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:47:04pm |
re: #16 ozbloke
Anyone interested in the source of these leaks?
I couldn't find any at gawker?
I think it was the girl who received them.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:47:06pm |
re: #16 ozbloke
It seems clear Gawker is saying the girl who received these emails is the source.
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Big Steve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:47:13pm |
Assange pitching woo......I should not have looked! uugh
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:47:15pm |
re: #16 ozbloke
Anyone interested in the source of these leaks?
I couldn't find any at gawker?
I think the girl wants to remain anonymous.
:P
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cenotaphium Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:47:36pm |
Serious question: does this really change anything? Not just these emails, of course, but the rest of the charges as well. How intertwined are WikiLeaks and Assange? Does the founder being a sleazebag change the releases either way?
I think the coverage will certainly sway some people, there might be a need for a change of leadership at the end of this. The outlet will remain, and it will be determined how big a part Assange had in getting information to flow in. Otherwise it seems inconsequential to the operations of the site.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:49:14pm |
re: #21 cenotaphium
The answer to that lies in "What is Wikileaks"? The biggest thing to come out of WIkileaks is the leaking of the information from Manning. It appears, at any rate, that that came about due to contact between Manning and Assange. Whether Manning would have leaked the information anyway is not, actually, a sure thing.
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mojo9 Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:49:17pm |
re: #21 cenotaphium
oh, so what if he's a romantic quadraplegic. he's on a mission!//////
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Big Steve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:49:26pm |
re: #9 EmmmieG
The words Creepy Old Dude are going through my head. Assange is my age. When I was 34, I looked at 19 year-olds and saw...babysitters for my kids.
Grow up.
LOL.....yes now that 53 year old Big Steve is divorced.....I have but one rule, I only date women born in the 1950's.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:49:35pm |
re: #18 Obdicut
It seems clear Gawker is saying the girl who received these emails is the source.
No urls on the emails, no nothing, 'Elizabeth' said it, lets run with it?
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:50:04pm |
You know, when I'm courting a woman, writing mathematical equations and making fun of her for not figuring them out just doesn't seem the way to go for some reason.
"HAHA, You know what they say about men who do this kind of math?"
"They don't get laid much?"
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:50:05pm |
re: #21 cenotaphium
Serious question: does this really change anything? Not just these emails, of course, but the rest of the charges as well. How intertwined are WikiLeaks and Assange? Does the founder being a sleazebag change the releases either way?
I think the coverage will certainly sway some people, there might be a need for a change of leadership at the end of this. The outlet will remain, and it will be determined how big a part Assange had in getting information to flow in. Otherwise it seems inconsequential to the operations of the site.
And then, of course, there is that little matter of the Holocaust denier and his son, too.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:50:57pm |
re: #24 Big Steve
LOL...yes now that 53 year old Big Steve is divorced...I have but one rule, I only date women born in the 1950's.
I think you could go into the 60's and still be within reasonable territory. Women in their 40's are fully grown up, or at least they should be.
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:51:21pm |
re: #24 Big Steve
LOL...yes now that 53 year old Big Steve is divorced...I have but one rule, I only date women born in the 1950's.
The guideline is 1/2 your age plus 7, so you could be dating 33 year olds.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:51:25pm |
re: #25 ozbloke
No urls on the emails, no nothing, 'Elizabeth' said it, lets run with it?
Its not like their is a worldwide group who might seek her out and make her life a living hell for speaking out against Assange or anything.
OH WAIT, there is.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:52:13pm |
There, Their and They're is the bane of my mortal existence.
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mojo9 Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:52:17pm |
re: #29 b_sharp
i've heard that too. wonder what the rationale is.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:52:27pm |
re: #25 ozbloke
No urls on the emails, no nothing, 'Elizabeth' said it, lets run with it?
Yes, they could be fakes. The likelihood of that seems rather on the low side.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:52:44pm |
re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
There, Their and They're is the bane of my mortal existence.
You mean 'are'.
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cenotaphium Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:53:00pm |
re: #25 ozbloke
No urls on the emails, no nothing, 'Elizabeth' said it, lets run with it?
These emails may well turn out to be true, but Gawker and associated sites aren't above pure mudslinging for hits. So yeah.. teaspoon of salt until verified.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:53:20pm |
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:53:33pm |
re: #4 Charles
Assange got her phone number, and her license number, without her permission or knowledge, and wouldn't tell her how. But she says she didn't feel threatened.
"They chatted until the bar closed, and Assange walked Elizabeth back to the small town where she lived with her parents. "
Phone directory?
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:54:21pm |
re: #35 cenotaphium
Really? When has Gawker fabricated anything before?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:55:00pm |
re: #29 b_sharp
The guideline is 1/2 your age plus 7, so you could be dating 33 year olds.
So I could be dating 26.5 year olds?
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Ericus58 Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:55:04pm |
I see Ozbloke has posted a page about John Conyers and his thoughts/words concerning Assange and wikileaks.
Seems he is defending this.
Good ole Johnny....
I'd comment on the Page entry but the company filters picked up the tag and blocked it.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:55:34pm |
re: #38 Obdicut
Really? When has Gawker fabricated anything before?
The O'Donnell date night thing right before the election was fishy.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:56:30pm |
re: #33 Obdicut
Yes, they could be fakes. The likelihood of that seems rather on the low side.
Why is that?
Because you trust the gawker I will guess.
Are they beyond being used?
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uncah91 Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:57:44pm |
If you follow the links and read what he wrote about himself on his blog, he confirms the whole "creep" factor all on his own. Unless we think the iq.org stuff is faked as well.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:57:48pm |
re: #29 b_sharp
The guideline is 1/2 your age plus 7, so you could be dating 33 year olds.
A 60 year old and a 37 year old would look odd. He's old enough to be her father. Literally.
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Big Steve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:57:52pm |
One thing that has amazed me about Assange and his supporters and that is how suprised they seem at the reaction. I got to tell you that people who are high up in governments, are really really serious people. And they will not take things lightly like having their e-mails exposed. For example does anyone not think that Hillary Clinton is not going to somehow, someday, someway grind Assange into flour?
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:57:53pm |
re: #40 Ericus58
I see Ozbloke has posted a page about John Conyers and his thoughts/words concerning Assange and wikileaks.
Seems he is defending this.
Good ole Johnny...I'd comment on the Page entry but the company filters picked up the tag and blocked it.
Can you show me any of my words that are defending it?
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:59:06pm |
re: #9 EmmmieG
The words Creepy Old Dude are going through my head. Assange is my age. When I was 34, I looked at 19 year-olds and saw...babysitters for my kids.
Grow up.
The Prophet says that the ideal age for a wife is half the man's age plus seven years.
I was 36 when I married, my wife was 25.
36 / 2 = 18 + 7 = 25.
Allah be praised!!!
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:01:15pm |
re: #32 mojo9
i've heard that too. wonder what the rationale is.
I don't care, it sounds good to me.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:01:28pm |
re: #44 EmmmieG
A 60 year old and a 37 year old would look odd. He's old enough to be her father. Literally.
True, but I won't judge. To each their own.
/BTW, here's a 60 year old I wouldn't mind looking odd with. :)
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Ericus58 Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:01:31pm |
re: #46 ozbloke
Can you show me any of my words that are defending it?
You have mistaken my post, sorry.
I was referring to John defending the leaks, not you.
Re-reading my post and I can see that could be possible.
No harm intended.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:01:33pm |
Again, where did these emails come from?
Elizabeth says she didn't keep the reply to a previous email:
Elizabeth doesn't remember how she responded and no longer has her reply, but it was probably dismissive because "I wasn't into him," she said.
No where in the article does suggest Elizabeth was the source.
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Big Steve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:01:37pm |
The best part of the whole Assange "rape" reports are the police reports where both women indicated that the sex was nothing special!
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:01:56pm |
Looks like Gawker has been attacked? I can't get it to load.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:02:43pm |
re: #51 Ericus58
You have mistaken my post, sorry.
I was referring to John defending the leaks, not you.
Re-reading my post and I can see that could be possible.No harm intended.
Sorry, I'm defensive, I have been accused of being a supporter more than once.
No harm, no foul.
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uncah91 Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:02:53pm |
Did Assange write this on IQ.org?
After my state sponsored stay at ANU, I ended up at a backpackers filled with some of the 900 Christians from the Australian University Christian Convergence. Most were young women and I turned, somewhat disgracefully, into a sort of Chesterton's Hardy, the village atheist, brooding and blaspheming over the village idiot, while they, for their part, tried to convert me with the rise and fall their bosoms.
One of the devout was the lovely daughter of a New Castle minister. At some point in my unintended wooing of her, she looked up, fluttered her eyelids and said 'Oh, you know so much! I hardly know anything!'. 'That is why you believe in God," I explained. This conversational brutality took her breath away and she swooned. I was exactly what she secretly longed for; a man willing to openly disagree with her father. All along she had needed a man to devote herself to. All along she had failed to find a man worthy of being called a man, failed to find a man who would not bow to gods, so she had chosen a god unworthy of being called a god, but who would not bow to a man.
http://gawker.com/5620888/the-sexual-demigod-wikileaks-founder-worshipped-by-christian-women
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:03:00pm |
re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth
True, but I won't judge. To each their own.
/BTW, here's a 60 year old I wouldn't mind looking odd with. :)
Yes, but isn't she an immortal Greek goddess or something?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:04:14pm |
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:04:50pm |
re: #44 EmmmieG
A 60 year old and a 37 year old would look odd. He's old enough to be her father. Literally.
But it's not up to us, it's up to them isn't it?
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:05:12pm |
re: #58 b_sharp
If your wife will let you.
If it means I quit bugging her and let her play her game? Its a distinct possibility.
///
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:05:27pm |
this just gets more and more bizarre!
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Big Steve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:06:35pm |
re: #54 Talking Point Detective
Looks like Gawker has been attacked? I can't get it to load.
I am getting there just fine.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:06:55pm |
re: #44 EmmmieG
A 60 year old and a 37 year old would look odd. He's old enough to be her father. Literally.
I know a couple, friends of my parents, where the dude is 40 and the woman is 62, they're perfect, honest to god :D he's sorta quite bookish teacher nerd type, she's sort of a younger-acting-than-she-looks movie fiend and pop culture addict. yes, 60 year olds watch Adult Swim!
My parents like them because they're like an exact cross between their own demeanor, and that of their children :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:07:16pm |
re: #64 WindUpBird
I know a couple, friends of my parents, where the dude is 40 and the woman is 62, they're perfect, honest to god :D he's sorta quite bookish teacher nerd type, she's sort of a younger-acting-than-she-looks movie fiend and pop culture addict. yes, 60 year olds watch Adult Swim!
My parents like them because they're like an exact cross between their own demeanor, and that of their children :D
meaning they kinda act like me and my brother
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:08:22pm |
re: #52 ozbloke
Again, where did these emails come from?
Elizabeth says she didn't keep the reply to a previous email:
Elizabeth doesn't remember how she responded and no longer has her reply, but it was probably dismissive because "I wasn't into him," she said.No where in the article does suggest Elizabeth was the source.
How would they know that Elizabeth said that she wasn't into him if she wasn't the source?
Is your position they're fabricating the entire thing from whole cloth?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:08:26pm |
re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth
True, but I won't judge. To each their own.
/BTW, here's a 60 year old I wouldn't mind looking odd with. :)
I would be straight for Helen mirren o_o man she looks rad in The Tempest trailers
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:08:33pm |
re: #64 WindUpBird
I know a couple, friends of my parents, where the dude is 40 and the woman is 62, they're perfect, honest to god :D he's sorta quite bookish teacher nerd type, she's sort of a younger-acting-than-she-looks movie fiend and pop culture addict. yes, 60 year olds watch Adult Swim!
My parents like them because they're like an exact cross between their own demeanor, and that of their children :D
I wouldn't mind a proxy for 'Adult Swim', I have heard it mentioned and seen it linked here many times, but can not get to views the vids, I have tried a number of proxies...
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:08:40pm |
re: #64 WindUpBird
I know a couple, friends of my parents, where the dude is 40 and the woman is 62, they're perfect, honest to god :D he's sorta quite bookish teacher nerd type, she's sort of a younger-acting-than-she-looks movie fiend and pop culture addict. yes, 60 year olds watch Adult Swim!
My parents like them because they're like an exact cross between their own demeanor, and that of their children :D
What the heck is Adult Swim?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:08:47pm |
re: #64 WindUpBird
I know a couple, friends of my parents, where the dude is 40 and the woman is 62, they're perfect, honest to god :D he's sorta quite bookish teacher nerd type, she's sort of a younger-acting-than-she-looks movie fiend and pop culture addict. yes, 60 year olds watch Adult Swim!
My parents like them because they're like an exact cross between their own demeanor, and that of their children :D
I guess I find it weird because my father is 23 years older than me, which means if my mother had a heart attack and died and he started dating again, by this standard he would be dating women younger than me.
I would find that odd.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:09:23pm |
also, i would be straight for Tilda Swinton. She's only 50 though
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:09:53pm |
re: #42 ozbloke
Why is that?
Because you trust the gawker I will guess.
Are they beyond being used?
I don't 'trust' them. I think it'll be deeply embarrassing for them if this is fake.
So your position is that a third party fabricated these emails and sent them to Gawker?
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:10:28pm |
re: #71 WindUpBird
also, i would be straight for Tilda Swinton. She's only 50 though
Huh? You're confusing me.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:10:31pm |
re: #68 ozbloke
I wouldn't mind a proxy for 'Adult Swim', I have heard it mentioned and seen it linked here many times, but can not get to views the vids, I have tried a number of proxies...
get them off torrents I guess?
Adult swim is just Cartoon Network's late night programming, it's just what they call the cartoons for stoners. Metalocalypse, Squidbillies, Robot Chicken, Sealab 2021, Aqua Teen, Venture Bros, Home Movies, etc.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:10:58pm |
UAE hotel erects 11-million-dollar Christmas tree
ABU DHABI (AFP) – Christmas came in extravagant fashion to the Muslim desert emirate of Abu Dhabi as a glitzy hotel unveiled a bejewelled Christmas tree valued at more than 11 million dollars on Wednesday.
It is the "most expensive Christmas tree ever," with a "value of over 11 million dollars," said Hans Olbertz, general manager of Emirates Palace hotel, at its inauguration.
...
Asked if the tree might offend religious sensibilities in the United Arab Emirates, where the vast majority of the local population is Muslim, Olbertz said he did not think it would. "It's a very liberal country," he said.The hotel has had a Christmas tree up in previous years, but this year "we said we have to do something different," and the hotel's marketing team hatched the plan, said Olbertz.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:10:58pm |
re: #73 b_sharp
Huh? You're confusing me.
Just following the thread of why a 30 year old would date a 60 year old :D
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:11:24pm |
re: #68 ozbloke
I wouldn't mind a proxy for 'Adult Swim', I have heard it mentioned and seen it linked here many times, but can not get to views the vids, I have tried a number of proxies...
Same here, though I simply download what I like from other venues ;-)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:11:47pm |
re: #69 b_sharp
What the heck is Adult Swim?
it's Cartoon Netwrok's more adult/stoner friendly/artsy cartoons they show late at night.
This being my favorite: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:12:05pm |
I hooked up with a woman 20 years older than me for a while. It was great.
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:12:08pm |
re: #76 WindUpBird
Just following the thread of why a 30 year old would date a 60 year old :D
I would think you would prefer Harrison Ford.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:12:27pm |
I really don't care about age differences except when the older person is trying to intimidate or otherwise take advantage of the age difference.
In this exchange of emails, it's clear that the sender-- who I feel is probably, but might not be, Assange-- is definitely doing that.
It kind of sounds like he read "The Method" or something and thinks the way to get women is to belittle them.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:12:34pm |
re: #66 Obdicut
How would they know that Elizabeth said that she wasn't into him if she wasn't the source?
Is your position they're fabricating the entire thing from whole cloth?
No its my position that I can not verify any of the emails.
When Assange was mentioned recently over the 'Dating Site', I went to the source the story linked and found the profile for Assange.
I then went to the webarchive and looked for an copy from around the time of the post 2006/2007. I couldn't find any link to it.
I did not post about it, and I did not mention it till now.
If I question this article, does that imply I believe Gawker is lying?
Is that the only possibility?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:12:52pm |
re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
not quite onion territory :D
"Dubai erects 500 ft tall Christmas Tree made out of Bronzed Aston Martin DB7s"
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:13:13pm |
re: #74 WindUpBird
get them off torrents I guess?
Adult swim is just Cartoon Network's late night programming, it's just what they call the cartoons for stoners. Metalocalypse, Squidbillies, Robot Chicken, Sealab 2021, Aqua Teen, Venture Bros, Home Movies, etc.
Ah, Metalocalypse...
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:13:35pm |
re: #78 WindUpBird
it's Cartoon Netwrok's more adult/stoner friendly/artsy cartoons they show late at night.
This being my favorite: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Robot Chicken is hilarious and my grandson loves the Venture Bros.
I had never heard them collectively called adult swim before.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:13:55pm |
re: #81 Obdicut
I really don't care about age differences except when the older person is trying to intimidate or otherwise take advantage of the age difference.
In this exchange of emails, it's clear that the sender-- who I feel is probably, but might not be, Assange-- is definitely doing that.
It kind of sounds like he read "The Method" or something and thinks the way to get women is to belittle them.
They whole trying to make her feel bad about her class and not knowing how to do things just screams "Dick move" to me.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:13:59pm |
re: #71 WindUpBird
also, i would be straight for Tilda Swinton. She's only 50 though
Oh, I'd be all kinds of crooked and dirty for her.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:14:19pm |
re: #80 b_sharp
I would think you would prefer Harrison Ford.
Thinbk he's awesome, but not really sexy to me. I like swishy. Old dudes I'd be attracted to...um... mostly rock stars who haven't fallen apart? I'd have to think on that
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:14:22pm |
Gawker seems to also have gotten ahold of a dating site where he had a profile. It's also... em... interesting.
You'll have to copy the link to see it.
Under the heading "I spend a lot of time thinking about" he writes:
Changing the world through passion, inspiration and trickery.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:14:32pm |
re: #82 ozbloke
No its my position that I can not verify any of the emails.
You can't actually verify any email that you get from anyone else, unless it's cryptographically secure.
If I question this article, does that imply I believe Gawker is lying?
Is that the only possibility?
That's why I'm asking you to state your position.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:14:41pm |
re: #72 Obdicut
I don't 'trust' them. I think it'll be deeply embarrassing for them if this is fake.
So your position is that a third party fabricated these emails and sent them to Gawker?
I'm actually not trying to draw conclusions, just trying to verify the article against something.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:14:43pm |
re: #88 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh, I'd be all kinds of crooked and dirty for her.
How many times have I seen orlando *_*
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:14:55pm |
re: #82 ozbloke
No its my position that I can not verify any of the emails.
When Assange was mentioned recently over the 'Dating Site', I went to the source the story linked and found the profile for Assange.
I then went to the webarchive and looked for an copy from around the time of the post 2006/2007. I couldn't find any link to it.
I did not post about it, and I did not mention it till now.
If I question this article, does that imply I believe Gawker is lying?
Is that the only possibility?
Just because you don't find something at webarchive doesn't mean it's fake (I know you're not saying this, but I have to point this out). I would also take non-verified things with a bit of salt. Is gawker known as a totally reliable source?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:15:30pm |
re: #86 b_sharp
Robot Chicken is hilarious and my grandson loves the Venture Bros.
I had never heard them collectively called adult swim before.
they have excellent taste!
Adult swim is just the block of programming and the "imaging", the stuff betwene episodes, the little cartoon network stoner jokes
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:15:58pm |
re: #89 WindUpBird
Thinbk he's awesome, but not really sexy to me. I like swishy. Old dudes I'd be attracted to...um... mostly rock stars who haven't fallen apart? I'd have to think on that
He's not sexy to me either. Scarlet Johanson, on the other hand...
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:16:01pm |
re: #92 ozbloke
I'm actually not trying to draw conclusions, just trying to verify the article against something.
What would constitute proof, for you?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:16:06pm |
re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Here's a Christmas Tree story to match your CTS:
Copper Thieves Burn Down Birmingham City Christmas Tree
[Link: leftinalabama.com...]
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:16:08pm |
re: #81 Obdicut
I really don't care about age differences except when the older person is trying to intimidate or otherwise take advantage of the age difference.
In this exchange of emails, it's clear that the sender-- who I feel is probably, but might not be, Assange-- is definitely doing that.
It kind of sounds like he read "The Method" or something and thinks the way to get women is to belittle them.
Could be, but in my experience men respond this way when their egos have been hurt and it would seem that she was off-putting from the get-go.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:16:26pm |
re: #80 b_sharp
I would think you would prefer Harrison Ford.
oh oh! Got one. Joe perry from Aerosmith. Old? yes. Still hot? YES
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:16:33pm |
re: #95 WindUpBird
they have excellent taste!
Adult swim is just the block of programming and the "imaging", the stuff betwene episodes, the little cartoon network stoner jokes
Venture Bros is a glittering gem of the modern age.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:17:03pm |
re: #99 marjoriemoon
Yeah. That's why I said 'trying'. It obviously didn't work, but it seems like he's trying to play up his experience and intelligence and, most offensively, class, against hers.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:17:14pm |
re: #100 WindUpBird
dudes who dress like gypsy travelling guitar gods, what can I say
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:17:53pm |
re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Venture Bros is a glittering gem of the modern age.
Those two guys are just SO GOOD at what they do
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:18:34pm |
re: #99 marjoriemoon
Could be, but in my experience men respond this way when their egos have been hurt and it would seem that she was off-putting from the get-go.
As a dude, that's something I've never been able to understand. I mean, no one likes rejection, but that's no reason to get belittling or abusive.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:19:01pm |
Oh, this is my reminder that everyone should see Black Swan in the theater and not just because um of what I like about it
It really is a stunning film *_*
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:19:46pm |
I see Assange hid his profile at okcupid.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:20:35pm |
re: #85 Sergey Romanov
BRUTAL
I know the bands those characters are based on. metalocalypse was sorta like brendan Small reaching into my head and going "OH MAN! LET'S DO A THING!" heavy metal comedy cartoon with real music!
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:20:39pm |
re: #94 Sergey Romanov
Just because you don't find something at webarchive doesn't mean it's fake (I know you're not saying this, but I have to point this out). I would also take non-verified things with a bit of salt. Is gawker known as a totally reliable source?
I don't know how reputable Gawker is.
I am just looking for more than one place claiming somthing, its worse than a story that is on multiple sites all linking each other.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:20:56pm |
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Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:21:07pm |
Well since this thread has veered off topic already, I have a tech question. Anybody else using Safari for Windows XP Pro run into the problem of pull down menus flickering? I am running a dual monitor set up and when it happens, it also screws with the video on the second monitor. It's like the refresh rate is all screwed up. I know it's safari as the problem with the second monitor clears up when I reset Safari and exit and then reset it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:21:13pm |
re: #109 ozbloke
I don't know how reputable Gawker is.
I am just looking for more than one place claiming somthing, its worse than a story that is on multiple sites all linking each other.
data chaff *_*
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:22:22pm |
re: #97 Obdicut
What would constitute proof, for you?
Are anonymous sources good enough proof for you?
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:22:27pm |
re: #108 WindUpBird
BRUTAL
I know the bands those characters are based on. metalocalypse was sorta like brendan Small reaching into my head and going "OH MAN! LET'S DO A THING!" heavy metal comedy cartoon with real music!
"I woke up...with a clown's hand...in my pants. Thats how my day has been."
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:22:40pm |
re: #105 Slumbering Behemoth
As a dude, that's something I've never been able to understand. I mean, no one likes rejection, but that's no reason to get belittling or abusive.
I don't get it either. Ego, testosterone? It's mostly a guy thing, I think.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:23:07pm |
re: #38 Obdicut
Really? When has Gawker fabricated anything before?
Right, Gawker never fabricates, they just pay people to publish their anonymous unsubstantiated allegations regarding famous people's sex lives, c.f. "I had a one night stand with Christine O'Donnell." Oh, but it's completely different when a man is the target.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:23:18pm |
re: #109 ozbloke
I can't, however, recall a single time that Gawker has had to retract a claim they've made. It may have happened, of course. And the O'Donnell date night story probably didn't go down the way the person said it did-- but it did, in fact, happen to some extent. Though I'd like to restress I found Gawker printing that story unfathomably shitty.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:24:06pm |
re: #115 marjoriemoon
I don't get it either. Ego, testosterone? It's mostly a guy thing, I think.
Not really. I've had some women get weird on me when I've rejected their advances. But it is definitely more common among the male of the species.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:24:27pm |
re: #113 ozbloke
Are anonymous sources good enough proof for you?
A lot of the time, yes. That is how a lot of accurate information comes out-- anonymous sources.
But you didn't answer my question. What would you consider proof?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:25:06pm |
I'm considering allowing people to edit their comments. Any opinions from the crowd on whether this would be a good thing, bad thing, or the end of civilization as we know it?
Editability would stop after 7 days.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:25:26pm |
re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"I woke up...with a clown's hand...in my pants. Thats how my day has been."
ahahahahahahahah dying
I love love love the one with Mike Patton playing the straitedge Snakes and Barrels singer
Also, the nu-metal rap band? That was Mastodon doing the voice acting IIRC
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:25:54pm |
re: #120 Charles
I'm considering allowing people to edit their comments. Any opinions from the crowd on whether this would be a good thing, bad thing, or the end of civilization as we know it?
Editability would stop after 7 days.
I'd like editability for like 20 minutes
just enough to go OH WHOOPS and correct typos and flubbed links :P
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:26:07pm |
re: #120 Charles
I'm considering allowing people to edit their comments. Any opinions from the crowd on whether this would be a good thing, bad thing, or the end of civilization as we know it?
Editability would stop after 7 days.
But yeah I think it's a good idea
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:26:27pm |
re: #120 Charles
I think it might give some bad actors the ability to "memory hole" crappy or abusive comments.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:27:00pm |
Tests he's taken:
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
Permanent copy:
[Link: backupurl.com...]
Profile:
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
[Link: backupurl.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:27:20pm |
re: #117 Obdicut
I can't, however, recall a single time that Gawker has had to retract a claim they've made. It may have happened, of course. And the O'Donnell date night story probably didn't go down the way the person said it did-- but it did, in fact, happen to some extent. Though I'd like to restress I found Gawker printing that story unfathomably shitty.
I think gawker is a bit like the Enquirer. Very manipulative, but I think corporate knows they can't libel/slander.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:27:20pm |
re: #120 Charles
It would be convenient to have an edit function, but same day or shorter would probably be enough.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:27:47pm |
re: #120 Charles
Like WUB, I'd like a few minutes to polish my unPIMFed masterpieces. There might be contention on comments changed after a hot exchange.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:28:08pm |
re: #116 goddamnedfrank
Right, Gawker never fabricates, they just pay people to publish their anonymous unsubstantiated allegations regarding famous people's sex lives, c.f. "I had a one night stand with Christine O'Donnell." Oh, but it's completely different when a man is the target.
Oh geez, not the 'poor men get attacked by the dastardly women' thing again.
The two situations are not in the least bit comparable. Assange is attached to the website, Wikileaks, which leaks private information, including private emails. At least the irony level has got to get to you.
I don't think gender really enters into it, but if you want to spend your time white-knighting for males, have at it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:28:13pm |
re: #124 Slumbering Behemoth
I think it might give some bad actors the ability to "memory hole" crappy or abusive comments.
maybe 5 minutes :D enough to edit quickly, but not enough to go back and redact
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:28:20pm |
re: #120 Charles
I'm considering allowing people to edit their comments. Any opinions from the crowd on whether this would be a good thing, bad thing, or the end of civilization as we know it?
Editability would stop after 7 days.
I think it'd get abused.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:28:31pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:28:31pm |
re: #125 Sergey Romanov
Heh, several days ago I characterized anon/4chan as chaotic neutral. Here's Assange:
The Alignment Test Chaotic Neutral
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:28:54pm |
re: #128 Decatur Deb
Like WUB, I'd like a few minutes to polish my unPIMFed masterpieces. There might be contention on comments changed after a hot exchange.
also, maybe the original comment should be stored? So it can't be truly memoryholed.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:29:11pm |
re: #120 Charles
I'm considering allowing people to edit their comments. Any opinions from the crowd on whether this would be a good thing, bad thing, or the end of civilization as we know it?
Editability would stop after 7 days.
It would be a good thing if 1. comments were editable; 2. editability would stop in 1-2 minutes.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:29:12pm |
re: #120 Charles
I'm considering allowing people to edit their comments. Any opinions from the crowd on whether this would be a good thing, bad thing, or the end of civilization as we know it?
Editability would stop after 7 days.
Your database would be grateful, you will reduce your tables from all my PIMF entries on my comments.
Yours Faithfully, Illiterate Aussie.
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:29:14pm |
re: #115 marjoriemoon
I don't get it either. Ego, testosterone? It's mostly a guy thing, I think.
Men are more primal and prone to attack when threatened. It's a function of our current culture that physical violence is no longer a part of that response (in most cases). A threat can be anything from physical violence to a woman laughing at our man parts.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:29:18pm |
The Nation States are falling! V for Vendetta! Ron Paul!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:29:34pm |
re: #135 Sergey Romanov
It would be a good thing if 1. comments were editable; 2. editability would stop in 1-2 minutes.
Or or! if the comment SAYS "edited on" like ebay or whatever
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:29:41pm |
re: #120 Charles
I'm considering allowing people to edit their comments. Any opinions from the crowd on whether this would be a good thing, bad thing, or the end of civilization as we know it?
Editability would stop after 7 days.
Good idea. I'm on board. Kinda beats posting a second post to clarify, especially when you've left out one "little" word like "NOT".
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:29:51pm |
re: #120 Charles
I'm considering allowing people to edit their comments. Any opinions from the crowd on whether this would be a good thing, bad thing, or the end of civilization as we know it?
Editability would stop after 7 days.
I would say wipe karma on re-edits. Keep people from trying to game the system.
And maybe 24-48 hour window only.
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Mardukhai Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:29:53pm |
Anybody know how to cure the results.google redirect virus? Anti-virus and malware programs just ignore it.
I'm almost sympathizing with the Iranians right about now.
(I'm not a serious hacker, just computer literate.)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:29:56pm |
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:30:12pm |
re: #120 Charles
I'm considering allowing people to edit their comments. Any opinions from the crowd on whether this would be a good thing, bad thing, or the end of civilization as we know it?
Editability would stop after 7 days.
Good thing.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:30:40pm |
re: #132 goddamnedfrank
Full email headers.
Email headers can be faked as well. Is that just a level you think that a fraud wouldn't go to?
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Taqyia2Me Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:30:45pm |
re: #120 Charles
I have certainly posted a few things I wish I had waited and counted to ten before posting.
Now I pretty much count to ten first as a default.
Your suggestion would be great for such obvious grammatical errors that twist the actual context and meaning of a post.
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webevintage Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:31:09pm |
How could not send creepy emails?
I think he looks like the kind of guy who goes around muttering "it puts the lotion on its skin, or it gets the hose again".....
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:31:11pm |
re: #139 WindUpBird
Or or! if the comment SAYS "edited on" like ebay or whatever
It's not an "or", it goes without saying and complementary.
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:31:26pm |
re: #137 b_sharp
Men are more primal and prone to attack when threatened. It's a function of our current culture that physical violence is no longer a part of that response (in most cases). A threat can be anything from physical violence to a woman laughing at our man parts.
Has anyone actually laughed at your man parts? I mean pointing and snickering, ok, but laughing?
LOLL!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:31:31pm |
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:31:48pm |
re: #132 goddamnedfrank
Full email headers.
I'm sure the hacktivists would love to see full email headers. It would give them a new target for a few days worth of lulz.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:31:56pm |
re: #124 Slumbering Behemoth
I think it might give some bad actors the ability to "memory hole" crappy or abusive comments.
Maybe, but it wouldn't take long to figure out that someone was doing that.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:31:59pm |
re: #129 Obdicut
Oh geez, not the 'poor men get attacked by the dastardly women' thing again.
The two situations are not in the least bit comparable. Assange is attached to the website, Wikileaks, which leaks private information, including private emails. At least the irony level has got to get to you.
I don't think gender really enters into it, but if you want to spend your time white-knighting for males, have at it.
The "irony level" was pegged during the Christine O'Donnell stunt too, considering her incessant moralizing against pre-marital sex and masturbation. Doesn't really change anything.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:32:10pm |
re: #145 Obdicut
Email headers can be faked as well. Is that just a level you think that a fraud wouldn't go to?
Reliability of gawker. I don't read it, so I don't know. Is it considered a responsible, reliable site?
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:32:15pm |
re: #147 webevintage
How could not send creepy emails?
I think he looks like the kind of guy who goes around muttering "it puts the lotion on its skin, or it gets the hose again"...
PUT THE LOTION IN THE BASKET!
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webevintage Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:32:53pm |
re: #147 webevintage
How could not send creepy emails?
I think he looks like the kind of guy who goes around muttering "it puts the lotion on its skin, or it gets the hose again"...
See like right there...I could use an edit to add HE in the first line.....
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:33:31pm |
re: #119 Obdicut
A lot of the time, yes. That is how a lot of accurate information comes out-- anonymous sources.
But you didn't answer my question. What would you consider proof?
Any evidence that may help to establish the truth of what is being claimed.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:33:39pm |
re: #154 Sergey Romanov
Reliability of gawker. I don't read it, so I don't know. Is it considered a responsible, reliable site?
Agree with Obdicut on this -- I think Gawker's been pretty slimy with some of the stuff they've posted, but I don't think they've ever been found to have actually faked something like this.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:34:26pm |
re: #137 b_sharp
A threat can be anything from physical violence to a woman laughing at our man parts.
Well, when you paint it up to look like a little clown, what do you expect?
/
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:34:49pm |
re: #154 Sergey Romanov
I can't recall any time they've had to retract something.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:34:59pm |
re: #158 Charles
Agree with Obdicut on this -- I think Gawker's been pretty slimy with some of the stuff they've posted, but I don't think they've ever been found to have actually faked something like this.
In any case, if it's a fake, we will hear about it from JA. (Which is not to say that he might not try to brand the real email as fakes.)
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webevintage Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:36:03pm |
PSA of the day:
[Link: jezebel.com...]
Please dudes, no more penis pictures.....
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Surabaya Stew Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:36:24pm |
re: #120 Charles
I'm considering allowing people to edit their comments. Any opinions from the crowd on whether this would be a good thing, bad thing, or the end of civilization as we know it?
Editability would stop after 7 days.
How about just a 5 minute window to edit comments? For instance, to correct typos or bad punctuation?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:38:20pm |
re: #163 Surabaya Stew
How about just a 5 minute window to edit comments? For instance, to correct typos or bad punctuation?
There-Their-They're... aaargh!
Of course, that's some of the fun.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:38:27pm |
re: #120 Charles
It would be nice to be able to correct typo's and bad links, but 7 days is way to long. Maybe no more than 30 min max to prevent abuse.
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simoom Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:38:35pm |
re: #120 Charles
I'm considering allowing people to edit their comments. Any opinions from the crowd on whether this would be a good thing, bad thing, or the end of civilization as we know it?
Editability would stop after 7 days.
I'd prefer something more like 5 minutes, as I usually catch my grammar mess-ups just after posting. Alternatively, though I'd imagine this would be a PITA to code, a wiki like history on comments that were edited after the first 5 minutes or so. Or perhaps even making the editing window effected by Karma to prevent shenanigans (example: 5 min after the first 50 Karma, 1hr after 200, 7 days after 1000). :P
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:38:55pm |
OK, general consensus is shorter edit time.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:39:00pm |
re: #162 webevintage
PSA of the day:
[Link: jezebel.com...]Please dudes, no more penis pictures...
FUCK YEAH!
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jc717 Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:39:32pm |
re: #29 b_sharp
The guideline is 1/2 your age plus 7, so you could be dating 33 year olds.
That's a French thing. They're also OK with mistresses.
IMHO, age doesn't matter as long as you're both consenting adults.
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:39:44pm |
re: #141 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I would say wipe karma on re-edits. Keep people from trying to game the system.
And maybe 24-48 hour window only.
And give away toasters when Karma hits a certain level.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:40:16pm |
re: #170 jc717
That's a French thing. They're also OK with mistresses.
IMHO, age doesn't matter as long as you're both consenting adults.
Yep. It's not anybody's business, really.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:40:32pm |
re: #168 Charles
OK, general consensus is shorter edit time.
Perhaps also a marker to show a comment has been edited, just a * or some other tag.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:40:39pm |
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:41:12pm |
re: #149 marjoriemoon
Has anyone actually laughed at your man parts? I mean pointing and snickering, ok, but laughing?
LOLL!
All too often.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:41:21pm |
re: #153 goddamnedfrank
I'm sorry, but I think you're comparing two different categories there.
Christine O'Donnell, crazy-brained person that she is, was laughed at for her positions on masturbation and pre-marital sex. She stated herself that she went through a period of promiscuity in college and then 'revirginized'-- a rather insane statement. Her sexuality was already a topic of ridicule and abuse. I cannot recall, however, her saying that the details of the sex lives of others ought to be public knowledge. Can you?
Assange has been part of an organization dedicated to leaking private information. His private information is now (probably) being leaked. That is a rather specific level of irony.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:41:48pm |
re: #173 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Perhaps also a marker to show a comment has been edited, just a * or some other tag.
I was thinking of a note in a small font at the bottom of the comment. "Edited: [date]"
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:41:57pm |
re: #168 Charles
OK, general consensus is shorter edit time.
And a notation that abuse is bannable, even if you're doing it for the lulz.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:43:17pm |
re: #120 Charles
I'm considering allowing people to edit their comments. Any opinions from the crowd on whether this would be a good thing, bad thing, or the end of civilization as we know it?
Editability would stop after 7 days.
Can we continue to make typo and spelling errors without having to edit, or are other Lizards going to start ostracizing those who deem to let each comment stand as it is? I like my lousy spelling and mangled word usage.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:43:27pm |
re: #178 Obdicut
Can I edit someone else's comments?
/
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:43:39pm |
re: #178 Obdicut
And a notation that abuse is bannable, even if you're doing it for the lulz.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:43:53pm |
re: #167 simoom
I'd prefer something more like 5 minutes, as I usually catch my grammar mess-ups just after posting. Alternatively, though I'd imagine this would be a PITA to code, a wiki like history on comments that were edited after the first 5 minutes or so. Or perhaps even making the editing window effected by Karma to prevent shenanigans (example: 5 min after the first 50 Karma, 1hr after 200, 7 days after 1000). :P
I thought about an edit history, but if the edit window's only a few minutes that would be kind of superfluous.
Karma buys longer edit times - interesting idea.
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Mardukhai Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:43:56pm |
Second time:
Anybody know how to cure the results.google redirect virus? Anti-virus and malware programs just ignore it.
I'm almost sympathizing with the Iranians right about now.
(I'm not a serious hacker, just computer literate.)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:43:56pm |
This of course means I will no longer be able to make fun of hilarious typos. I haz a sad. :(
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:44:21pm |
re: #160 Obdicut
I can't recall any time they've had to retract something.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:45:14pm |
re: #182 Charles
I thought about an edit history, but if the edit window's only a few minutes that would be kind of superfluous.
Karma buys longer edit times - interesting idea.
Maybe also: if one has even a single downding, the ability evaporates for this comment.
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:45:16pm |
re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth
Well, when you paint it up to look like a little clown, what do you expect?
/
A party.
It was a killer clown, btw.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:45:46pm |
re: #184 Slumbering Behemoth
This of course means I will no longer be able to make fun of hilarious typos. I haz a sad. :(
I'm fine with typos. Its just when I leave out a major point or forget a modifier which completely alters the meaning of the post, it would be nice to have.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:45:59pm |
re: #183 Mardukhai
Second time:
Anybody know how to cure the results.google redirect virus? Anti-virus and malware programs just ignore it.
I'm almost sympathizing with the Iranians right about now.
(I'm not a serious hacker, just computer literate.)
Try here:
[Link: www.ehow.com...]
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Slap Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:47:07pm |
re: #103 WindUpBird
As a straight 53, I commend your taste in older women.
Helen Mirren is a force of nature, gorgeous beyond words, no matter her age....
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:47:12pm |
re: #188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'm fine with typos. Its just when I leave out a major point or forget a modifier which completely alters the meaning of the post, it would be nice to have.
But, those are my favorite.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:48:38pm |
re: #190 Slap
As a straight 53, I commend your taste in older women.
Helen Mirren is a force of nature, gorgeous beyond words, no matter her age...
Took my 14 yr old to see "Excaliber". He's been a fan ever since.
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Slap Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:49:31pm |
re: #192 Decatur Deb
It doesn't hurt that she's a magnificent actress, to boot....!
("Cal" will break your heart....)
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jc717 Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:49:52pm |
re: #125 Sergey Romanov
Tests he's taken:
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
Permanent copy:
[Link: backupurl.com...]
Profile:
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
[Link: backupurl.com...]
Love the CN alignment. Perfect fit.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:51:35pm |
re: #186 Sergey Romanov
Maybe also: if one has even a single downding, the ability evaporates for this comment.
But that would render any post negative about Nancy Pelosi uneditable .
//
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:51:42pm |
This is weird...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:52:48pm |
re: #190 Slap
She obviously had a blast filming "Red".
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:53:06pm |
re: #185 goddamnedfrank
Sure. It's possible. But hell, most newspapers print retractions rather regularly these days. I don't think Gawker has a reputation for false stories, at all.
The likeliest 'fake' explanation for me is that this "Elizabeth" is actually an Anon doing some serious lulzing and setting them up the bomb.
But it seems unlikely.
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webevintage Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:53:51pm |
hahahahahahaha
My husband walked in the door and said I need you to put some lotion on my back and I just started to cackle....
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Alexzander Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:53:55pm |
My thoughts on editing:
- Definitely include a note mentioning the time of edit.
- Very small window of editing time, maybe even five minutes? Enough to fix an obvious spelling error etc, but not enough to retroactively alter the history of the conversation.
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Slap Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:53:57pm |
re: #197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
On my "must see soon" list. On top of it, actually.....
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:55:26pm |
re: #198 Obdicut
Sure. It's possible. But hell, most newspapers print retractions rather regularly these days. I don't think Gawker has a reputation for false stories, at all.
The likeliest 'fake' explanation for me is that this "Elizabeth" is actually an Anon doing some serious lulzing and setting them up the bomb.
But it seems unlikely.
Is it possible it could come from someone who is against Assange?
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Ojoe Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:56:30pm |
Mr. No Secrets, Hey You!
Get a load of this ! !
ROFLMAO
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:57:02pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:58:08pm |
re: #202 ozbloke
Is it possible it could come from someone who is against Assange?
Sure. It's possible. But if so, it's very well done, as this doesn't really show Assange behaving terribly, just a little.. off. As a smear goes, it would be a rather light one, especially since the girl involved is saying it wasn't a big deal.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:59:06pm |
re: #188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'm fine with typos. Its just when I leave out a major point or forget a modifier which completely alters the meaning of the post, it would be nice to have.
Speaking of which, I got this fortune at lunch today:
Image: unfortunate.jpg
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:00:04pm |
Right, so these anonymously supplied emails are supposed to lend credence to the rape allegations against Assange, when he hasn't actually been charged yet with a crime and at least one of his Swedish accusers has stated that she never intended for him to be charged with rape at all:
"It is quite wrong that we were afraid of him. He is not violent, and I do not feel threatened by him," she told the newspaper in an interview that did not identify her by name. "The responsibility for what happened to me and the other girl lies with a man who had attitude problems with women."
Dude has attitude problems and we hate him for publishing the leaked documents we entrusted to a teenage PFC who struck an officer. Let's treat as fact everything bad that every anonymous person on the internet has to say about him.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:00:08pm |
In a really weird way, this makes the allegations of serious sexual misconduct against Allange less believable for me, and it seems more likely, now, that he just tends to vastly misread women and is a little Lenny-ish with them.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:02:06pm |
re: #205 Obdicut
Sure. It's possible. But if so, it's very well done, as this doesn't really show Assange behaving terribly, just a little.. off. As a smear goes, it would be a rather light one, especially since the girl involved is saying it wasn't a big deal.
Though it does 'taint' how Assange is seen by the world when there are warrants out for him, no?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:02:17pm |
re: #207 goddamnedfrank
Right, so these anonymously supplied emails are supposed to lend credence to the rape allegations against Assange, when he hasn't actually been charged yet with a crime and at least one of his Swedish accusers has stated that she never intended for him to be charged with rape at all:
Dude has attitude problems and we hate him for publishing the leaked documents we entrusted to a teenage PFC who struck an officer. Let's treat as fact everything bad that every anonymous person on the internet has to say about him.
I don't relate it to the inflated rape charges at all. It's an object lesson in privacy.
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:02:29pm |
OK, now I really am going to drive home, in the dark, on an icy highway.
I'm too old for this shit.
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webevintage Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:03:13pm |
My other funny of the day.
Over on ProjectRunGay the guys like to put up picture of Mrs. O and discuss how lovely she looks.
Today we got to see her in her vintage dress doing some Christmas thing:
[Link: tomandlorenzo2.blogspot.com...]
In the comments (which really are always so nice) some anymouse wrote:
""i like that they dressed white children as christmas slaves."
I know I should maybe be offended, but really that needs to be an LOL caption on that picture.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:03:45pm |
re: #209 ozbloke
My point is it doesn't really taint him any more than the original charges did, and in fact, it kind of paints him as just a super-awkward dude who gets hurt by rejection and cries about it. There's nothing seriously danger-stalker here, he just can't take the hint this girl isn't that into him and is insulting in the end when he does get the message.
If anything, it rather humanizes him and makes him seem less threatening than hearing the (not quite true) statement that he's accused of rape.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:05:17pm |
re: #213 Obdicut
My point is it doesn't really taint him any more than the original charges did, and in fact, it kind of paints him as just a super-awkward dude who gets hurt by rejection and cries about it. There's nothing seriously danger-stalker here, he just can't take the hint this girl isn't that into him and is insulting in the end when he does get the message.
If anything, it rather humanizes him and makes him seem less threatening than hearing the (not quite true) statement that he's accused of rape.
You don't think people could now see him as a 'serial offender'?
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:06:01pm |
re: #214 ozbloke
You don't think people could now see him as a 'serial offender'?
Serial offender of what?
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:06:41pm |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:07:08pm |
re: #214 ozbloke
You don't think people could now see him as a 'serial offender'?
I don't see any offense in the courtship emails, just persistent ineptitude.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:08:15pm |
re: #211 b_sharp
OK, now I really am going to drive home, in the dark, on an icy highway.
I'm too old for this shit.
Drive carefully, by the way did you get your php/mysql sorted?
I know CL was sending you some examples, I can help if you need more.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:08:24pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:09:00pm |
re: #216 ozbloke
Harassing females in a way that is 'not normal'.
It's pretty normal to not get the hint a girl isn't into you. Unfortunately normal. Creepy, but normal.
There's very little relationship between writing pretentious flirty emails to a younger girl trying to get her to jump on you because you're cool and mysterious and good at math, and what he's accused of in Sweden.
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Stanghazi Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:10:44pm |
re: #212 webevintage
THANKS for turning me onto that site!!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:10:52pm |
re: #220 Obdicut
That might not be a public perception, though. E.g. Charles characterizes the emails as creepy. Some commenters think he is a freak because of them.
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wrenchwench Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:11:01pm |
re: #220 Obdicut
It's pretty normal to not get the hint a girl isn't into you. Unfortunately normal. Creepy, but normal.
There's very little relationship between writing pretentious flirty emails to a younger girl trying to get her to jump on you because you're cool and mysterious and good at math, and what he's accused of in Sweden.
What about the acquiring of the license plate and phone numbers?
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:11:14pm |
re: #220 Obdicut
It's pretty normal to not get the hint a girl isn't into you. Unfortunately normal. Creepy, but normal.
There's very little relationship between writing pretentious flirty emails to a younger girl trying to get her to jump on you because you're cool and mysterious and good at math, and what he's accused of in Sweden.
What might seem normal to you, may not be true for everyone.
If it were, you wouldn't have to spend as much time as you do here at LGF, explaining your points and other peoples fallacies.
But then you know that...
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:12:21pm |
My man Nate at 538 has a very objective look at the rape charges, though it's a
bit of a read. Bottom line--the charges are overplayed BS, even if true.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:12:24pm |
re: #222 Sergey Romanov
Well, I do too. Or rather, I recognize the type of person that email is portraying. But it's not 'rapist'. It's more 'capable of not understanding that consent can be (or even would be) withdrawn during sex'. It makes him, to me, appear less a skilled manipulator and more a totally inept manipulator.
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blueraven Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:12:54pm |
re: #214 ozbloke
You don't think people could now see him as a 'serial offender'?
In much the same way that many of the leaks perpetrated by Assange can be interpreted in different ways. It is in the "eyes" of the beholder.
I didnt see anything particularly nefarious in these emails. He doesn't do rejection well.
The point is, these emails as well as the wikileaks were meant to be private. They were not written in a manner that might be open to all kinds of scrutiny.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:13:27pm |
re: #6 lawhawk
Abounding dramatic strangeness (first use of tag).
Indeed.
It certainly plays in to his whole creepy/stalkerish vibe. It also shows Assange as someone who likes to show off his intellectual superiority and then has a superwide ego to match. When things don't go his way? That's where he shows his true colors.
Exactly. I was stunned by his e-mail to her after she didn't take kindly to his phone call:
Your reaction to my phone call lacked dignity and has stung me. You seemed above such trivialities. It saddens me to have misjudged you. . . "
What, he thought if he insulted her she would change her mind?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:13:51pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:15:03pm |
re: #6 lawhawk
Abounding dramatic strangeness (first use of tag).
Indeed.
It certainly plays in to his whole creepy/stalkerish vibe. It also shows Assange as someone who likes to show off his intellectual superiority and then has a superwide ego to match. When things don't go his way? That's where he shows his true colors.
Wow... truer words I've never seen... I've met a few people like that... even met some of them here on LGF in the past.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:15:24pm |
re: #226 Obdicut
Again, I agree, but that's not necessarily how the public at large will see it. There already are examples of the connection between the emails and the probability of the charges being true being made. Not that I care, but I just think this was ozbloke's point.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:15:49pm |
re: #220 Obdicut
It's pretty normal to not get the hint a girl isn't into you. Unfortunately normal. Creepy, but normal.
There's very little relationship between writing pretentious flirty emails to a younger girl trying to get her to jump on you because you're cool and mysterious and good at math, and what he's accused of in Sweden.
LGF is the sanest blog I've read, and you have people who support you 99% of the time, including me, challenging this view.
And I know they do not support Assange.
| 233 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:16:24pm |
Anyone know where I can get leeches for medical use?
| 234 |
Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:16:59pm |
re: #225 Decatur Deb
Well, I think what Nate is saying is that Assange is being prosecuted because he's Assange, and not some random dude. I think that is true; that if he had been a tourist who took off a condom during sex with a Swedish girl and then went back home that it's unlikely Interpol would put out an alert.
I disagree, however, that that has any effect on the probability of the actual charges. I can't even follow his reasoning as to why it would. As well as the pool of actually brought charges that he's measuring this against, there is an ocean of charges that could be brought, but aren't.
| 235 |
Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:17:34pm |
re: #207 goddamnedfrank
Right, so these anonymously supplied emails are supposed to lend credence to the rape allegations against Assange, when he hasn't actually been charged yet with a crime and at least one of his Swedish accusers has stated that she never intended for him to be charged with rape at all:
Dude has attitude problems and we hate him for publishing the leaked documents we entrusted to a teenage PFC who struck an officer. Let's treat as fact everything bad that every anonymous person on the internet has to say about him.
Assange said: "There has never been a single page provided to me in English and, until two weeks ago, not a single page whatsoever provided in any form to my Swedish counsel – even in Swedish. This is a clear, clear abuse of process."
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
But let's not get worked up. A failed flirting that happened 6 years ago proves it all.
I'm now going back to reading Kafka "The Process"
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:17:39pm |
re: #226 Obdicut
Well, I do too. Or rather, I recognize the type of person that email is portraying. But it's not 'rapist'. It's more 'capable of not understanding that consent can be (or even would be) withdrawn during sex'. It makes him, to me, appear less a skilled manipulator and more a totally inept manipulator.
OK, on a second reading you may even agree with this, because you know what the charges are, yet in the public's mind it may be just "rape" (as normally understood). So I guess it's difficult to predict the reaction, too many assumptions.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:17:49pm |
re: #233 Walter L. Newton
Anyone know where I can get leeches for medical use?
Wife (RN) says any large medical supply house. Shipment in this weather might be a problem.
| 238 |
Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:18:00pm |
re: #231 Sergey Romanov
I don't think most people actually know what he's been charged with. As usual, people tend to have a surface understanding.
Most people think he's been charged with straight-up rape, I think.
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blueraven Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:18:18pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:18:40pm |
re: #237 Decatur Deb
Wife (RN) says any large medical supply house. Shipment in this weather might be a problem.
Thanks... I have an idea.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:18:40pm |
re: #235 Mark Winter
But let's not get worked up. A failed flirting that happened 6 years ago proves it all.
Who has said this proves anything at all?
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:18:41pm |
re: #233 Walter L. Newton
Anyone know where I can get leeches for medical use?
Probably need to check with a home remedy or alternative therapy medical forum or site.
What for?
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:19:05pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:19:17pm |
Sergey, are you here? I don't see you logged in but I see comments from you . . .
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:19:21pm |
re: #238 Obdicut
I don't think most people actually know what he's been charged with. As usual, people tend to have a surface understanding.
Most people think he's been charged with straight-up rape, I think.
Has he been officially charged with anything yet? I thought they were just seeking to question him in order to establish whether to charge him.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:19:37pm |
re: #238 Obdicut
I don't think most people actually know what he's been charged with. As usual, people tend to have a surface understanding.
Most people think he's been charged with straight-up rape, I think.
GET OUTTA MY MIND!!!1 :)
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:19:49pm |
re: #238 Obdicut
I don't think most people actually know what he's been charged with. As usual, people tend to have a surface understanding.
Most people think he's been charged with straight-up rape, I think.
I bet thats true.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:19:50pm |
re: #243 goddamnedfrank
Then maybe you should be talking to the person who wrote that comment about it, and not to me?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:20:01pm |
re: #234 Obdicut
Well, I think what Nate is saying is that Assange is being prosecuted because he's Assange, and not some random dude. I think that is true; that if he had been a tourist who took off a condom during sex with a Swedish girl and then went back home that it's unlikely Interpol would put out an alert.
I disagree, however, that that has any effect on the probability of the actual charges. I can't even follow his reasoning as to why it would. As well as the pool of actually brought charges that he's measuring this against, there is an ocean of charges that could be brought, but aren't.
I'm not statistician enough to challenge his rationale. It's a really neat way to introduce math into the issue, though.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:20:11pm |
re: #233 Walter L. Newton
leeches.biz
[Link: www.leeches.biz...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:20:21pm |
re: #244 reine.de.tout
Sergey, are you here? I don't see you logged in but I see comments from you . . .
Heh. Wow.
That's just how I roll.
//
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Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:20:23pm |
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:21:21pm |
re: #238 Obdicut
I don't think most people actually know what he's been charged with. As usual, people tend to have a surface understanding.
Most people think he's been charged with straight-up rape, I think.
Didn't one of the lawyers say he had unprotected sex with a sleeping woman?
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:21:29pm |
re: #238 Obdicut
I don't think most people actually know what he's been charged with. As usual, people tend to have a surface understanding.
Most people think he's been charged with straight-up rape, I think.
He has not been charged with anything yet.
| 255 |
Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:21:30pm |
re: #247 ozbloke
Now, personally, I think that someone who agrees to use a condom and then removes it during sex should, actually, be charged with rape. To me, that is rape. And being an awkward doofus head doesn't relieve responsibility for that.
However, it'd not, I think, the definition of rape either in Sweden or here.
| 256 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:21:36pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:22:21pm |
re: #250 jaunte
leeches.biz
[Link: www.leeches.biz...]
Seven bucks a piece... never mind... I'll do it myself.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:23:26pm |
I have to say that this one made my day.
Reporters Jump Senators For Perceived Earmark Hypocrisy
Asshat Senators John Cornyn (R-TX), and John Thune (R-SD) were in the Senate press gallery yesterday, attempting another grandstanding attempt against earmarks.
The senators came to criticize Senate Democrats for their just unveiled $1.25 trillion spending plan for the federal government's fiscal year 2011, which is already underway.
Among the objects of the senators' scorn were the earmarks, requests by lawmakers for money for particular projects, in the omnibus spending bill.Said Thune:
The bill's loaded up with pork projects, and it shouldn't get a vote... The bill contains pork projects for everything from salmon studies to improved grapes — not that there's anything wrong with those things, but it shouldn't come at the expense of bankrupting the country.
However, things didn't go exactly as planned:
REPORTER: Senator Cornyn, the bill contains many earmarks that you requested.SEN. CORNYN: Pardon me?
REPORTER: The bill contains many earmarks that you requested. I mean,why are you opposing this bill when there are things that you called for in there?
SEN. CORNYN: I intend to vote against those earmarks because I think the American people sent a message on November the 2nd saying they want a new way of operating in Washington. And our Republican conference passed an earmark moratorium for the next two years, but it's pretty clear that the appropriators want to try to slip in earmarks for this year through this omnibus bill.
The cat and mouse game was just beginning. After a few more minutes on other issues, a reporter circled back to earmarks. This time it was Thune's turn.
REPORTER: Senator Thune, I was just looking at the list of earmark requests that you made this year. It adds up to over a hundred millions dollars. Have you asked that those earmarks be removed... ?
SEN. THUNE: I haven't asked that they be removed from it, but I'm going to vote against it, just like Senator Cornyn is. And —
REPORTER: But why haven't you asked that they be removed?
SEN. THUNE: Well, those projects were projects that were vetted.Those are projects that we — I mean, I support those projects. But I don't support this bill, nor do I support the process by which this bill was put together. And as John said, most of us voted, Republicans did, at our conference on a resolution that we would not request earmarks. So my way of expressing that is to vote against the legislation.
REPORTER: So why not ask that they be removed...?
SEN. THUNE: Well, I — we're going to — we're going to try and vote this thing down. I mean, I don't know how you — how you get them out now other than amending the bill. You know, the bill's infront of us.
This was just the first exchange. The reporters hammered Cornyn and Thune for a good ten minutes before they could extricate themselves from the conference.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:23:50pm |
re: #255 Obdicut
Now, personally, I think that someone who agrees to use a condom and then removes it during sex should, actually, be charged with rape. To me, that is rape. And being an awkward doofus head doesn't relieve responsibility for that.
However, it'd not, I think, the definition of rape either in Sweden or here.
How about "charged with something"? "Rape" has a meaning and a set of emotion-laden responses.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:24:16pm |
re: #253 Charles
Didn't one of the lawyers say he had unprotected sex with a sleeping woman?
Yes.
And actually, I'm wrong, that can be considered rape in Sweden.
Apologies.
A second woman has accused Assange of having sex with her without a condom while he was a guest at her Stockholm home and she was asleep.
[Link: www.wtop.com...]
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:24:29pm |
re: #255 Obdicut
Now, personally, I think that someone who agrees to use a condom and then removes it during sex should, actually, be charged with rape. To me, that is rape. And being an awkward doofus head doesn't relieve responsibility for that.
However, it'd not, I think, the definition of rape either in Sweden or here.
Agreed 100%
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Surabaya Stew Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:24:49pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:26:02pm |
re: #259 Decatur Deb
Meh, now that I've read more carefully and see one of the charges is having sex with one of the women while she's asleep, I'm fine with the language of 'the charge being 'rape'.
And just so I don't have to defend things that are unsaid:
He might be guilty. He might be innocent. I don't know. I'm not willing to judge. If these emails are real, and I think they are, what it shows is a man who's bad at reading women.
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Political Atheist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:27:30pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:27:40pm |
Turns out I was the person who had the 'surface understanding'.
I'm wishing for a longer edit time now.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:28:21pm |
re: #264 Obdicut
Meh, now that I've read more carefully and see one of the charges is
As far as I understand it, there are allegations or accusations, not charges yet.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:28:26pm |
re: #264 Obdicut
"One of the allegations". We have little or no concrete info about a vastly contaminated news story. (When I say I'm agnostic, I don't just mean it theologically.)
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:28:52pm |
re: #267 000G
As far as I understand it, there are allegations or accusations, not charges yet.
Sigh. I'm using 'charges' as in 'statements that were made alleging that something occurred'.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:29:17pm |
re: #264 Obdicut
Meh, now that I've read more carefully and see one of the charges is having sex with one of the women while she's asleep, I'm fine with the language of 'the charge being 'rape'.
Except that he hasn't actually been charged yet, the Swedes want him to answer questions, so by charge you mean allegation. In as much as such an allegation is going to be near impossible to prove, they're probably hoping for a confession.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:29:52pm |
re: #266 Obdicut
Turns out I was the person who had the 'surface understanding'.
I'm wishing for a longer edit time now.
It wouldn't have helped - the discussion progressed quite quickly. (Which is why I suggested 1-2 minutes...)
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:29:56pm |
re: #268 Decatur Deb
I know. I was just trying to clear up the mess that I'd made when I foolishly asserted that rape wasn't being alleged. One of the allegations is sex with a sleeping woman, and that can be held as 'rape' in Sweden, from what I've read.
I also think that such a thing is, in fact, rape.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:31:26pm |
re: #251 Sergey Romanov
Heh. Wow.
That's just how I roll.
//
Weird (you're invisible! In the user list anyhow, strange).
I went to your blog that you link in your profile and was played around.
I came across this.
And then I did some searches and followed links around and came across this.
Then this.
What's that all about?
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Political Atheist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:31:34pm |
re: #272 Obdicut
I know. I was just trying to clear up the mess that I'd made when I foolishly asserted that rape wasn't being alleged. One of the allegations is sex with a sleeping woman, and that can be held as 'rape' in Sweden, from what I've read.
I also think that such a thing is, in fact, rape.
Would that not be rape here? As in lacking consent? More so than the condom slip I would think.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:31:36pm |
re: #272 Obdicut
I know. I was just trying to clear up the mess that I'd made when I foolishly asserted that rape wasn't being alleged. One of the allegations is sex with a sleeping woman, and that can be held as 'rape' in Sweden, from what I've read.
I also think that such a thing is, in fact, rape.
We need better language. That usage really threatens women who have faced terrifying traumatic situations.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:31:37pm |
I damn near killed myself today being very stupid. I've been struggling with a holly tree on my parking strip for 12 years. It's too big for me too take down by myself but I try to keep it trimmed below the utility lines. I tried to take a big chunk off today and it fell wrong and hung up on the high voltage line directly above me. Luckily those power lines support a lot more weight than I thought.
That was a close call worthy of a Darwin award.
I'm going to have it removed professionally.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:31:41pm |
re: #270 goddamnedfrank
Yes, almost any allegation of rape where significant time has passed is nearly impossible to prove one way or another.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:32:19pm |
re: #273 reine.de.tout
Weird (you're invisible! In the user list anyhow, strange).
I went to your blog that you link in your profile and was played around.
I came across this.
And then I did some searches and followed links around and came across this.
Then this.
What's that all about?
Here we go again. Should I show her the discusssions at meta.wikimedia.org?
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:33:05pm |
re: #273 reine.de.tout
Sergey needs a FAQ.
I'll let him explain, but I vouch absolutely for his integrity and trustability.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:34:20pm |
re: #274 Rightwingconspirator
Would that not be rape here? As in lacking consent? More so than the condom slip I would think.
yes, of course....any breech of consent is rape in every state I believe
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:34:24pm |
Maybe this will shed some more light on Assange's amorous personality...
Loving a leakster: Assange's apparent online dating life
(CNN) -- In the winter of 2006, Julian Assange was apparently looking for a date.
He had just launched WikiLeaks, a little online operation with big ambitions. Assange hoped it would exemplify a value he held high: All information should be public, no matter how sensitive or embarrassing. Only then could justice be served and corruption end.
All in all, he seemed to think he was a pretty good catch.
[snip]
In addition, Harrison (his OKcupid alias - Walt)answered the site's "match questions," which show that he's 27 percent more arrogant, 12.3 percent kinkier and 10.5 percent "less capitalistic" than OkCupid's 7 million members.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:34:43pm |
re: #276 Killgore Trout
I damn near killed myself today being very stupid. I've been struggling with a holly tree on my parking strip for 12 years. It's too big for me too take down by myself but I try to keep it trimmed below the utility lines. I tried to take a big chunk off today and it fell wrong and hung up on the high voltage line directly above me. Luckily those power lines support a lot more weight than I thought.
That was a close call worthy of a Darwin award.
I'm going to have it removed professionally.
By the way, the up ding wasn't for nearly killing yourself, but for the decision to seek professional help ;)
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:35:01pm |
re: #275 Decatur Deb
Well, I think it'd fall under 'date rape'. I dunno. You're right that it's different from a rapist who's doing it as an expression of anger or dominance and trying to hurt women, rather than, perhaps, vastly misreading the situation and thinking consent has been obtained.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:35:21pm |
re: #276 Killgore Trout
I damn near killed myself today being very stupid. I've been struggling with a holly tree on my parking strip for 12 years. It's too big for me too take down by myself but I try to keep it trimmed below the utility lines. I tried to take a big chunk off today and it fell wrong and hung up on the high voltage line directly above me. Luckily those power lines support a lot more weight than I thought.
That was a close call worthy of a Darwin award.
I'm going to have it removed professionally.
OMG.
You are so lucky.
Glad you're OK.
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:35:44pm |
re: #270 goddamnedfrank
Except that he hasn't actually been charged yet, the Swedes want him to answer questions, so by charge you mean allegation. In as much as such an allegation is going to be near impossible to prove, they're probably hoping for a confession.
The Swedish prosecution wasn't interested in hearing his answers while he was in Sweden. Nor were they telling him what the allegations actually were.
Before he left the country he asked for permission. When he was gone the Swedish issued an arrest warrant and STILL would not tell him what the allegations were.
Offers to be interviewed in the Swedish embassy in London were turned down.
His legal bill is now up to 60000 pounds, this before he even knew what kind of allegations he needed to defend himself against.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:35:52pm |
re: #278 000G
Here we go again. Should I show her the discusssions at meta.wikimedia.org?
Has this been covered before?
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:35:58pm |
re: #281 Walter L. Newton
Maybe this will shed some more light on Assange's amorous personality...
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Only 27% more arrogant, I don't think he was trying.
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Political Atheist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:36:26pm |
re: #276 Killgore Trout
Oh boy, glad you are fine.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:36:27pm |
re: #273 reine.de.tout
Weird (you're invisible! In the user list anyhow, strange).
I went to your blog that you link in your profile and was played around.
I came across this.
And then I did some searches and followed links around and came across this.
Then this.
What's that all about?
It's about what is written in the first link. A bit more explanations in the comments in this thread:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
#390 and replies, esp. #409.
Also:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
#33
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:36:49pm |
re: #281 Walter L. Newton
Maybe this will shed some more light on Assange's amorous personality...
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
the voyeur element here is quite amusing, don't you think?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:36:57pm |
re: #279 Obdicut
Sergey needs a FAQ.
I'll let him explain, but I vouch absolutely for his integrity and trustability.
OK.
I was just "axing" (as so many here say).
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:37:02pm |
Posted this on the wrong thread. Yes, I need the edit feature.
If Nate Silver is to be believed, and he is very jealous of his reputation, the normal penalty in Sweden for the alleged crime is $715. That says a lot about the link from his alleged actions in bed to his actions on the political scene. (Which I don't support as I understand them at the moment.)
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Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:37:03pm |
re: #273 reine.de.tout
Weird (you're invisible! In the user list anyhow, strange).
I went to your blog that you link in your profile and was played around.
I came across this.
And then I did some searches and followed links around and came across this.
This should be interesting.
Then this.
What's that all about?
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:37:44pm |
re: #283 Obdicut
Well, I think it'd fall under 'date rape'. I dunno. You're right that it's different from a rapist who's doing it as an expression of anger or dominance and trying to hurt women, rather than, perhaps, vastly misreading the situation and thinking consent has been obtained.
I'm fairly sure that using a woman's condtion, whether it be drunk, under the influence of drugs or medication, or asleep, as a cover to have sex is still considered rape.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:38:04pm |
re: #289 Sergey Romanov
Seriously you should link to a concise explanation in your profile. That guy really did a number on you in terms of Google searches. Sucks.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:38:28pm |
re: #277 Obdicut
Yes, almost any allegation of rape where significant time has passed is nearly impossible to prove one way or another.
Great, so now we can address the legal propriety of arresting someone, holding them on £240,000 bail, facing extradition based on an allegation, not a charged crime, that's inherently nearly impossible to prove without a confession.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:38:48pm |
re: #290 albusteve
the voyeur element here is quite amusing, don't you think?
Yes... he's either a hero or a traitor in peoples eyes, but when it comes to his private life... there doesn't seem any hesitation to lay it all out on the table... interesting. Humans are odd creatures.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:39:43pm |
re: #258 RadicalModerate
forgot to mention - Racheel Maddow included video of this beatdown of Cornyn/Thune in last night's show.
Jump to 4:50 in the video for the juicy parts.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:39:44pm |
re: #286 reine.de.tout
Has this been covered before?
Let's just say that Sergey is a little bit of an internet celebrity in his own right...
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:39:53pm |
re: #296 goddamnedfrank
I'm not certain why the possibility of successful prosecution enters into it. Can you explain how that effects the legal propriety?
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:39:55pm |
re: #296 goddamnedfrank
Great, so now we can address the legal propriety of arresting someone, holding them on £240,000 bail, facing extradition based on an allegation, not a charged crime, that's inherently nearly impossible to prove without a confession.
Your forgot, perhaps for a charge that would bring a $700 odd dollar fine.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:41:54pm |
re: #301 ozbloke
The charge of having sex with a woman while asleep is rather more serious, I believe, and would amount to more than a fine.
But i've been wrong about this quite a bit, so maybe I should shut up.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:43:43pm |
re: #291 reine.de.tout
OK.
I was just "axing" (as so many here say).
No prob, that's what the google poisoning is intended for. If you search for me, you'll find several fake blogs written as if from my name, though the content is rather obvious.
Anyhoo, here's a recent link, the Jewish Chronicle online, which quotes Nick:
[Link: www.thejc.com...]
I'm also mentioned quite a lot by the deniers, e.g. one of the leading ones has recently written a whole article basically about me:
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
I've been also attacked by such deniers as Juergen Graf, Thomas Dalton, Fritz Berg, "denierbud" (the maker of the disgusting "One Third of the Holocaust" video), so the author of that attack page to which you link has a "good" company.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:44:23pm |
re: #302 Obdicut
The charge of having sex with a woman while asleep is rather more serious, I believe, and would amount to more than a fine.
But i've been wrong about this quite a bit, so maybe I should shut up.
At the risk of being flippant, that depends on when she fell asleep.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:44:29pm |
re: #302 Obdicut
The charge of having sex with a woman while asleep is rather more serious, I believe, and would amount to more than a fine.
But i've been wrong about this quite a bit, so maybe I should shut up.
Bugger, the up ding was not for suggesting you would shut up.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:45:09pm |
re: #297 Walter L. Newton
Yes... he's either a hero or a traitor in peoples eyes
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:45:15pm |
re: #295 Obdicut
Seriously you should link to a concise explanation in your profile. That guy really did a number on you in terms of Google searches. Sucks.
It's all very very confusing. So much back and forth - and there is a "deathcamps" site and a "death-camps" site (with a dash - that doesn't seem to exist anymore). Information lost and found and saved and archived - very confusing.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:45:39pm |
re: #305 Decatur Deb
At the risk of being flippant, that depends on when she fell asleep.
fucking a woman without waking her up is kinda unique...how do they do that?
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:45:43pm |
re: #301 ozbloke
Your forgot, perhaps for a charge that would bring a $700 odd dollar fine.
Plus non-recoverable personal legal fees of currently 60000 pounds (93000 USD)
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:46:42pm |
re: #304 Sergey Romanov
No prob, that's what the google poisoning is intended for. If you search for me, you'll find several fake blogs written as if from my name, though the content is rather obvious.
Anyhoo, here's a recent link, the Jewish Chronicle online, which quotes Nick:
[Link: www.thejc.com...]
I'm also mentioned quite a lot by the deniers, e.g. one of the leading ones has recently written a whole article basically about me:
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
I've been also attacked by such deniers as Juergen Graf, Thomas Dalton, Fritz Berg, "denierbud" (the maker of the disgusting "One Third of the Holocaust" video), so the author of that attack page to which you link has a "good" company.
My question on this sort of stuff is - why? What's the point of all of that?
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:46:50pm |
re: #310 Mark Winter
Plus non-recoverable personal legal fees of currently 60000 pounds (93000 USD)
Noted.
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JeffFX Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:47:33pm |
re: #309 albusteve
fucking a woman without waking her up is kinda unique...how do they do that?
Drugs, alcohol, or a very small penis.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:47:35pm |
re: #308 reine.de.tout
Yet another version:
Sergey's scholarly attacks on Holocaust Revisionism and defense of historical accuracy garner him enemies among the revisionists and among the dilettantes who don't actually care about the true history of the Holocaust.
As to why?
From the deniers, because they're Holocaust Deniers. Scum.
From the dilettantes-- because he wounds their pride when he points out their errors.
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Political Atheist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:48:18pm |
re: #308 reine.de.tout
It's all very very confusing. So much back and forth - and there is a "deathcamps" site and a "death-camps" site (with a dash - that doesn't seem to exist anymore). Information lost and found and saved and archived - very confusing.
Shows how hard it is to defend your reputation on the ever more stalkerized internet. Where the first Amendment spirit gives the haters real advantage without recourse by the sane.
Kudos to you Sergey for standing up to it all.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:49:03pm |
re: #295 Obdicut
Seriously you should link to a concise explanation in your profile. That guy really did a number on you in terms of Google searches. Sucks.
Concur. If it hadn't been for your post, the links Rein had posted would have me believing he was a H.D.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:49:36pm |
re: #311 reine.de.tout
My question on this sort of stuff is - why? What's the point of all of that?
The point of google poisoning? You might as well ask why there are LGF stalkers :-) But there is a semi-rational reason - the posting you linked to first discredits Chis Webb and, by implication, his "Holocaust Research And Education Trust" which they run together with Lisciotto. So the point is to sow doubt.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:50:34pm |
re: #309 albusteve
fucking a woman without waking her up is kinda unique...how do they do that?
A very small penis.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:51:49pm |
re: #316 Rightwingconspirator
Shows how hard it is to defend your reputation on the ever more stalkerized internet. Where the first Amendment spirit gives the haters real advantage without recourse by the sane.
Kudos to you Sergey for standing up to it all.
I don't really give a damn. I do use my real name here and at forums, but it's hard to tie it to my real life person. So it doesn't harm me personally, unless situations like this one arise, but in such situations I can explain things, so it's no skin off my nose. Of course, I will take some counter-measures in the future, but I'm not in a hurry.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:51:53pm |
re: #311 reine.de.tout
My question on this sort of stuff is - why? What's the point of all of that?
Nationalism bears strange fruit, convictions and alliances.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:53:32pm |
Here's Carmelo's fake blogspot profile of myself, BTW:
[Link: www.blogger.com...]
Pretty transparent.
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:53:40pm |
re: #312 ozbloke
Noted.
As of today, of course. They will be piling up.
I don't think he has much of a chance to avoid extradition to Sweden. The European Arrest Warrant is quite a unique thing since it doesn't require the party requesting extradition to provide ANY evidence. The allegations simply need to fit a certain crime category. "Rape" is one of them but Sweden allows for actions being defined as rape that no other European country would.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:53:40pm |
re: #300 Obdicut
I'm not certain why the possibility of successful prosecution enters into it. Can you explain how that effects the legal propriety?
Pure allegation is a matter for civil courts, where the burden of proof is much lower. Prosecutors have discretion, but they have a duty to their constituents not to pursue cases which cannot possibly win, c.f. Mike Nifong. It's improper because it forces the defendant(s) to spend time and resources defending themselves against a court case the prosecutor knows lacks merit.
Also, Ken Buck:
"This case was not prosecutable as found not only by all the law enforcement agencies in Weld County but also by the Boulder district attorney's office," Loftus told ABC News. "So this is just Progress Now trying to politicize this. Unfortunately there are cases that you just can't prosecute because they're not -- there's not a chance that the jury would find a conviction. That's just how it goes with a district attorney's office."
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:57:01pm |
re: #323 Mark Winter
As of today, of course. They will be piling up.
I don't think he has much of a chance to avoid extradition to Sweden. The European Arrest Warrant is quite a unique thing since it doesn't require the party requesting extradition to provide ANY evidence. The allegations simply need to fit a certain crime category. "Rape" is one of them but Sweden allows for actions being defined as rape that no other European country would.
Also I found this interesting:
The decision to challenge Mr Assange's bail was taken by British prosecutors acting on behalf of the Swedish authorities, but they were forced to defend this decision after the Swedes said they had not been consulted.
"The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) acts here as agents of the government seeking extradition, in this case the Swedish government," Britain's chief state prosecutor Keir Starmer told the BBC.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:57:08pm |
re: #324 goddamnedfrank
Pure allegation is a matter for civil courts, where the burden of proof is much lower.
I'm really not sure what you mean by this.
Prosecutors have discretion, but they have a duty to their constituents not to pursue cases which cannot possibly win
I'm sorry, but as you said, a confession would, in fact, allow the case to be won.
It's improper because it forces the defendant(s) to spend time and resources defending themselves against a court case the prosecutor knows lacks merit.
So we should not attempt to criminally prosecute any allegations of rape where an evidence kit is not available?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:01:05pm |
LOL, found yet another one:
[Link: www2.blogger.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:02:22pm |
re: #120 Charles
I'm considering allowing people to edit their comments. Any opinions from the crowd on whether this would be a good thing, bad thing, or the end of civilization as we know it?
Editability would stop after 7 days.
I think 5-10 minutes to proofread would be enough. And an editedstamp, maybe?
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Political Atheist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:02:43pm |
O/T
Re-cut a Patrick Polk video, and put it up at Vimeo. This time I really went for a certain look, and added a lot of my own footage.
It's a big HD file. It's practice and a test of both my new system and Patrick's tolerance for my humble efforts. For your entertainment this afternoon...
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:03:37pm |
re: #326 Obdicut
I'm really not sure what you mean by this.
I'm sorry, but as you said, a confession would, in fact, allow the case to be won.
So we should not attempt to criminally prosecute any allegations of rape where an evidence kit is not available?
I think the idea is rather not to continue with prosecuting when there is very little chance that you will ever get a conviction.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:05:10pm |
re: #326 Obdicut
I'm really not sure what you mean by this.
If you can't present evidence beyond a reasonable doubt you're asking to have the case thrown out.
I'm sorry, but as you said, a confession would, in fact, allow the case to be won.
Yes, it would, assuming one can be secured. However jailing someone because they haven't confessed yet turns a system of civil rights on it's head.
So we should not attempt to criminally prosecute any allegations of rape where an evidence kit is not available?
We should not attempt to prosecute an allegation that is completely unsupported by any circumstantial or physical evidence. It doesn't have to be official forensically documented aftermath, but it has to be something more than just the allegation by itself.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:05:31pm |
re: #330 Mark Winter
I think the idea is rather not to continue with prosecuting when there is very little chance that you will ever get a conviction.
I'm sorry, but police do actually get a lot of people confessing to crimes that they've committed. So i'm not sure why you're saying there's very little change that they would get a conviction.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:07:01pm |
re: #331 goddamnedfrank
If you can't present evidence beyond a reasonable doubt you're asking to have the case thrown out.
Yes. But the case isn't on trial yet. They want to question him.
We should not attempt to prosecute an allegation that is completely unsupported by any circumstantial or physical evidence.
Really? Not even to interview the subject and attempt to get a confession?
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:07:04pm |
re: #325 ozbloke
Also I found this interesting:
The decision to challenge Mr Assange's bail was taken by British prosecutors acting on behalf of the Swedish authorities, but they were forced to defend this decision after the Swedes said they had not been consulted."The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) acts here as agents of the government seeking extradition, in this case the Swedish government," Britain's chief state prosecutor Keir Starmer told the BBC.
Yes they actually are not allowed to judge whether the Swedish allegations have any merits as long as the papers are correctly filled out.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:07:49pm |
re: #329 Rightwingconspirator
O/T
Re-cut a Patrick Polk video, and put it up at Vimeo. This time I really went for a certain look, and added a lot of my own footage.It's a big HD file. It's practice and a test of both my new system and Patrick's tolerance for my humble efforts. For your entertainment this afternoon...
cool...I like the colors and shadow effect
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:09:01pm |
re: #332 Obdicut
I'm sorry, but police do actually get a lot of people confessing to crimes that they've committed. So i'm not sure why you're saying there's very little change that they would get a conviction.
Referring to the sleeping sex allegation.
In the case of Assange, he is denying the allegations, and if I read correctly this act occurred after consenting sex.
How does this get proved, what is the chance of success?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:09:23pm |
re: #120 Charles
I'm considering allowing people to edit their comments. Any opinions from the crowd on whether this would be a good thing, bad thing, or the end of civilization as we know it?
Editability would stop after 7 days.
Are you still taking comments on this?
Here's what I see:
If you allow editing after a comment is posted, and someone responds to my comment BEFORE I've edited it, then they may feel the need to go back and edit their response if it makes no sense in relation to my edited one - could set up a frantic round of editing.
Are you considering letting the comment sit for a period of time, 15-20 seconds during which editing would be allowed, before it's posted?
The "preview" function should work as an "editing" tool; people need to use it more IMO.
I'm not convinced this would add anything of value.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:10:41pm |
re: #327 Sergey Romanov
LOL, found yet another one:
[Link: www2.blogger.com...]
LOL.
Sergey Romanoff
Gender: Male
Occupation: Author of unethical blogs
Location: I pretend to live in Moscow : Russia
Wishlist
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:11:28pm |
re: #338 reine.de.tout
Not much creativity there, eh? :)
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:13:01pm |
re: #333 Obdicut
Yes. But the case isn't on trial yet. They want to question him.
Really? Not even to interview the subject and attempt to get a confession?
The subject in question DID try to clear his name associated in more than a million google entries BUT
- Wasn't told what the allegations were
- Was refused an interview by the Swedish prosecutor who had reopened the case, for three weeks, and this despite repeatedly asking for one.
- After leaving the country the prosecutor who refused the interview changes her mind and now wants to question Assange but STILL refuses to tell him or his legal counsel in Sweden what the allegations are. She still expects him to go on another trip to Sweden. He should have been glad that this was not New Zealand.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:13:14pm |
re: #336 ozbloke
I haven't actually seen him deny the charges. Has he straight up said that it didn't occur?
Whether or not it occurred after consenting sex has no bearing on whether or not it was consensual.
It is really true that the police get people to confess, even when they don't have any evidence.
Now, again, I think it's obvious that Assange is being treated specially, and if this had been a random British tourist they would not have been arrested and held without bail.
There is also confusion as to why Sweden didn't pick him up for questioning originally. It is good to keep in mind, though, that Sweden has a terrible record on prosecuting rape and tends towards inaction on that score.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:13:46pm |
re: #333 Obdicut
Really? Not even to interview the subject and attempt to get a confession?
Interrogation is not prosecution. Calling for someone's arrest, then refusing to allow the question and answer session to be taken at your embassy, when seeking the answers to those very questions is ostensibly the reason for the material witness warrant itself is a banana republic stunt. They're telling Assange that he has to not confess on their soil before he has rights again.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:14:06pm |
Assange is even more socially inept than Keith olbermann ... And that is saying something.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:14:10pm |
re: #334 Mark Winter
Yes they actually are not allowed to judge whether the Swedish allegations have any merits as long as the papers are correctly filled out.
Mark, the same newspaper on the 15 Dec reported it this way:
A British judge granted Mr Assange, who is wanted in Sweden for questioning over alleged sex crimes, bail of 200,000 pounds ($316,000).
But prosecutors representing Swedish authorities quickly said they would appeal against the bail decision and Judge Howard Riddle said Mr Assange must remain in custody until a new hearing is held within the next 48 hours.
Even if Sweden had not appealed, Mr Assange's lawyer, Mark Stephens, said the court had demanded that those standing bail come up with 200,000 pounds in cash before he could be freed - and this was unlikely to be raised immediately.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:15:46pm |
re: #342 goddamnedfrank
That part is definitely different and special.
However, that doesn't answer the question I asked.
You said:
We should not attempt to prosecute an allegation that is completely unsupported by any circumstantial or physical evidence.
And I'm asking if that means that the police should not attempt to get a confession in cases where there isn't circumstantial or physical evidence.
As you have pointed out, this isn't actually being prosecuted yet. He's not on trial, nor, apparently, charged. Though at this point it's really hard to tell what the hell is going on.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:16:30pm |
re: #339 Sergey Romanov
Not much creativity there, eh? :)
None.
What is creative, however, is how you remain invisible in the user's list while logged in. LOL.
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:18:07pm |
re: #344 ozbloke
Mark, the same newspaper on the 15 Dec reported it this way:
A British judge granted Mr Assange, who is wanted in Sweden for questioning over alleged sex crimes, bail of 200,000 pounds ($316,000).
But prosecutors representing Swedish authorities quickly said they would appeal against the bail decision and Judge Howard Riddle said Mr Assange must remain in custody until a new hearing is held within the next 48 hours.
Even if Sweden had not appealed, Mr Assange's lawyer, Mark Stephens, said the court had demanded that those standing bail come up with 200,000 pounds in cash before he could be freed - and this was unlikely to be raised immediately.
Yes I suppose that if that had been a British case, bail conditions would have been much lower. But the British want to make extra sure that they fulfill their obligations with the European Arrest Warrant.
The current bail obligations are uncalled for, given that we're talking about allegations that in the UK would amount to sexual molestation, maybe.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:18:08pm |
re: #346 reine.de.tout
None.
What is creative, however, is how you remain invisible in the user's list while logged in. LOL.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:20:13pm |
re: #347 Mark Winter
I'm sorry, but can you support the contention that in Britain having sex with a woman while she's asleep and therefore incapable of consenting would amount to sexual molestation?
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:20:26pm |
re: #341 Obdicut
I haven't actually seen him deny the charges. Has he straight up said that it didn't occur?
It's positively wise to remain silent, at least BEFORE you know what the allegations are that you are supposed to deny.
Every lawyer will tell you that.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:20:30pm |
re: #345 Obdicut
And I'm asking if that means that the police should not attempt to get a confession in cases where there isn't circumstantial or physical evidence.
And I'm telling you again that interrogation is not prosecution. Police normally are only allowed to hold people for a limited amount of time before having to charge or release them. If there is no confession during that time, usually 24 hours here in the US - 72 hours with cause, then they must be released.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:23:01pm |
re: #341 Obdicut
I haven't actually seen him deny the charges. Has he straight up said that it didn't occur?
Whether or not it occurred after consenting sex has no bearing on whether or not it was consensual.
It is really true that the police get people to confess, even when they don't have any evidence.
Now, again, I think it's obvious that Assange is being treated specially, and if this had been a random British tourist they would not have been arrested and held without bail.
There is also confusion as to why Sweden didn't pick him up for questioning originally. It is good to keep in mind, though, that Sweden has a terrible record on prosecuting rape and tends towards inaction on that score.
Mr. Assange has denied wrongdoing, saying that he had consensual relations with the two women, whom he met during a trip to Sweden that he made in a bid to establish a haven for himself and WikiLeaks under Sweden’s broad press freedoms.
Having had consenting sex earlier in the evening would mean ruling out a lot of evidence that can used in other cases of rape. That I suppose was a big part of my point. It would seem it will come done to he said she said.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:23:31pm |
re: #349 Obdicut
I'm sorry, but can you support the contention that in Britain having sex with a woman while she's asleep and therefore incapable of consenting would amount to sexual molestation?
no consent is rape...pretty simple
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:24:16pm |
And JFYI here's Carmelo Lisciotto, "Holocaust Education and Archival Research Team"'s founding member and webmaster being all buddy-buddy with the HD scum at CODOH, peddling his crap:
[Link: tinyurl.com...]
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:26:07pm |
re: #347 Mark Winter
Yes I suppose that if that had been a British case, bail conditions would have been much lower. But the British want to make extra sure that they fulfill their obligations with the European Arrest Warrant.
The current bail obligations are uncalled for, given that we're talking about allegations that in the UK would amount to sexual molestation, maybe.
It seems to me neither the Swedes or the UK want to have this on their hands.
Each pointing the finger at the other for the appeal.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:28:23pm |
re: #351 goddamnedfrank
And I'm telling you again that interrogation is not prosecution.
That doesn't answer the question I'm asking, though. Unless what you mean is that a confession would be strong evidence and obviously we should prosecute if a confession is obtained. Is that what you're saying?
Police normally are only allowed to hold people for a limited amount of time before having to charge or release them. If there is no confession during that time, usually 24 hours here in the US - 72 hours with cause, then they must be released.
I agree absolutely that the conditions of him being held prior to questioning are extraordinary. Sweden may have an actual case to make about why the questioning has to occur back in Sweden, and they may or may not have good reason for why they didn't bother to question him before he left. I don't know.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:28:43pm |
Can anyone tell me what happens now?
Assange has been freed on bail until what?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:31:04pm |
And of course Carmelo is a wingnut:
[Link: www.worldshooter.com...]Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:17 am Post subject: Condi Vs. Colin
All,
I must admit I am pleasantly surprised at the way Condileeza Rice has taken the bull by the horns as our country's new Secretary of State!
In her short tenure thus far she has outshown that lame ass Colin Powell on all accounts.
I find it nothing short of amazing that African American women are so far superior to African American males in ambition, tact, level of execution, etc.
I was pullin for Powell as Bush's guy early on but this clown lost me somewhere in the mix of things.
All I can say about Condi is "Go GIRL GO"!
OK, I'm done with this topic.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:35:43pm |
re: #356 Obdicut
That doesn't answer the question I'm asking, though. Unless what you mean is that a confession would be strong evidence and obviously we should prosecute if a confession is obtained. Is that what you're saying?
Yes absolutely, a confession, especially one signed before witnesses, is strong evidence.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:38:09pm |
re: #359 goddamnedfrank
Yes absolutely, a confession, especially one signed before witnesses, is strong evidence.
Okay. Then I think it's obvious it would have been the best thing for the police to interview Assange when he was still in Sweden, and to see if a confession resulted.
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:46:38pm |
re: #349 Obdicut
I'm sorry, but can you support the contention that in Britain having sex with a woman while she's asleep and therefore incapable of consenting would amount to sexual molestation?
I would really need to read what the woman REALLY said. But from what I have read (and I don't know whether this is true) the woman in question never claimed that she was raped or that the sex (including that sex in the morning) was non-consensual.
Just that he did not wear a condom in the morning. It's really difficult to speculate but the most plausible event seems to me - and I don't know whether its true or not - that he'd wake up in the morning, has a pretty naked girl next to him he had sex with a few hours before. Maybe she was asleep first, maybe drowsy, maybe she gave consent when she fully woke up only discovering later that he did not wear a condom. She never claimed that the sex itself in the morning was non-consensual. She made breakfast for him in the morning, they joked about pregnancy and she bought him his train ride home.
In America, he would not even have to contend the allegations. They need to be proven and as long that this is just the tale of the girl, there's no chance he'll ever get convicted of anything. Even in Sweden I guess.
Just with the other woman they might want to establish a pattern of behavior and although they can never prove what really happen they might just let "plausibility" win.
The case is so difficult because sex without a condom may be considered "mild" rape or coercion in Sweden. But then, if a woman does not want sex without a condom, she just says: You won't go in here, man. If he continues, it's rape, and the condom is irrelevant.
But if sex was consensual, the only way to make the condom issue relevant is that he "tricked" the women into believing that he wore a condom. The first case seems hopeless. The condom broke and Assange claims that he did only notice afterwards. That's quite credible, at least hard to refute. Shit happens.
The second case is trickier, but at some point in the morning I suppose the woman in question did wake up and gave consent. She - once again - never claimed that the morning sex was against her consent. Only the prosecution alleged that this might be "rape".
And no, sex with a woman who is (still) asleep doesn't have to be rape. If you have a girlfriend who has told you time and again that she loves to be woken up this way it certainly isn't. If you take advantage of an unknown drunken girl in the street or on your sofa it certainly is rape. But very often, this is very hard to prosecute because it's very difficult to prove that the girl was too drunk to give consent. Happens a lot both in the UK and in Sweden. Binge parties on Friday evening, and a big headache on Saturday morning.
So the circumstances really matter. Obviously you want to know the allegations first before you respond to them. Especially if the difference is freedom or 4 years in jail.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:47:19pm |
This is hilarious....
WikiLeaks: Anonymous hierarchy emerges
But inside Anonymous, the Guardian has found that the organisation is more hierarchical – with a hidden cabal of around a dozen highly skilled hackers co-ordinating attacks across the web.
....
One member said the group's "command and control" centres are invite-only, adding: "It's to protect people, but if you have proven trustworthy you get invited – it's not hard to do. It's not some elitist structure but a way to keep the press and the odd bit of law enforcement seeing who issues commands."Members of the group and outside experts such as Gabriella Coleman, a New York University professor who has studied Anonymous, estimate that up to 1,000 people are members of the broader network, who make their computers available to co-ordinated cyber attacks. But the majority of members – put at 99% by one insider – have virtually no influence over the direction of the group or its strategy.
I wonder how high up or friend Barret Brown is? He seems to know the leaders and he might be one of them.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:49:04pm |
re: #362 Killgore Trout
This is hilarious...
WikiLeaks: Anonymous hierarchy emerges
I wonder how high up or friend Barret Brown is? He seems to know the leaders and he might be one of them.
So much for the 'spontaneous reaction' aspect of all this.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:49:39pm |
re: #362 Killgore Trout
It's not an 'elitist structure' but 99% of the participants have no influence.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:49:43pm |
re: #357 ozbloke
Can anyone tell me what happens now?
Assange has been freed on bail until what?
Until the court rules on his extradition or he runs. I think he'll run.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:51:20pm |
re: #365 Killgore Trout
Until the court rules on his extradition or he runs. I think he'll run.
/I don't think he has the votes...
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:51:22pm |
I'm reading that the chairman doesn't feel any law has been broken.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:51:52pm |
re: #361 Mark Winter
I would really need to read what the woman REALLY said. But from what I have read (and I don't know whether this is true) the woman in question never claimed that she was raped or that the sex (including that sex in the morning) was non-consensual.
Well, one of the women is cited as saying that Assange had sex with her while she was asleep and in a helpless state.
It's really difficult to speculate but the most plausible event seems to me - and I don't know whether its true or not - that he'd wake up in the morning, has a pretty naked girl next to him he had sex with a few hours before. Maybe she was asleep first, maybe drowsy, maybe she gave consent when she fully woke up only discovering later that he did not wear a condom.
If she was asleep at the start then, according to Swedish law, that does classify as rape.
And no, sex with a woman who is (still) asleep doesn't have to be rape. If you have a girlfriend who has told you time and again that she loves to be woken up this way it certainly isn't.
That certainly isn't the case here.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:52:01pm |
re: #363 researchok
So much for the 'spontaneous reaction' aspect of all this.
It was all pretty obvious bullshit. A dozen or so leaders. The authorities almost certainly know who they are and have been watching them for quite a while. I wonder if they'll end up in a nice country club prison or do they go to regular prison.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:52:49pm |
re: #365 Killgore Trout
Until the court rules on his extradition or he runs. I think he'll run.
I bet you a week of cleaning ashtray's here after the o'night threads that he won't.
You up for it?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:53:24pm |
re: #369 Killgore Trout
It was all pretty obvious bullshit. A dozen or so leaders. The authorities almost certainly know who they are and have been watching them for quite a while. I wonder if they'll end up in a nice country club prison or do they go to regular prison.
If they dozen leaders are smart, they would have posted the idea, then just sat back and not taken part in the attacks themselves, and then there isn't really much of a trail is there?
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:53:54pm |
re: #370 ozbloke
I bet you a week of cleaning ashtray's here after the o'night threads that he won't.
You up for it?
It is kinda hard to run when your face is in every newspaper...
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:54:01pm |
re: #365 Killgore Trout
Until the court rules on his extradition or he runs. I think he'll run.
The appeal against bail said that there was a fear that Assange would abscond if released, despite bail having been set at £240,000. Justice Duncan Ousley pointed out that Assange’s solicitors had been voluntarily instructed to contact the police shortly after he arrived in the UK and that this would not be the actions of a man likely to abscond.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:54:29pm |
re: #372 brookly red
It is kinda hard to run when your face is in every newspaper...
Tell that to Osama
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:54:38pm |
re: #362 Killgore Trout
This is hilarious...
WikiLeaks: Anonymous hierarchy emerges
I wonder how high up or friend Barret Brown is? He seems to know the leaders and he might be one of them.
This story will telegraph the 'leaders' that the authorities are probably on to them.
I imagine the most serious problems will be coming to an end as these lowlifes recognize the party is about to end.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:55:20pm |
re: #365 Killgore Trout
Until the court rules on his extradition or he runs. I think he'll run.
I think he'd like to, which is why I believe every agency on the planet has him pinned down
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:55:57pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:56:16pm |
re: #371 jamesfirecat
If they dozen leaders are smart, they would have posted the idea, then just sat back and not taken part in the attacks themselves, and then there isn't really much of a trail is there?
They probably don't even post the idea themselves. They probably get a middleman to do it for them. But the planing and orders are still issued from the top and they'll get much more serious charges than the kids who actually carry out the attacks for them.
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:56:21pm |
re: #368 Obdicut
Well, one of the women is cited as saying that Assange had sex with her while she was asleep and in a helpless state.
I would find it strange that everyone seems to know what the woman said except Assange's defense team
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:56:22pm |
re: #369 Killgore Trout
It was all pretty obvious bullshit. A dozen or so leaders. The authorities almost certainly know who they are and have been watching them for quite a while. I wonder if they'll end up in a nice country club prison or do they go to regular prison.
Depends where they are, i guess.
Here, they'll do soft time.
In Europe that really doesn't exist, for the most part.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:57:10pm |
re: #378 Killgore Trout
They probably don't even post the idea themselves. They probably get a middleman to do it for them. But the planing and orders are still issued from the top and they'll get much more serious charges than the kids who actually carry out the attacks for them.
Well yeah, but once again, if they didn't post the ideas, and they didn't take part in the attack... what kind of a case can we have against them?
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:57:30pm |
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:57:55pm |
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:58:02pm |
re: #360 Obdicut
Okay. Then I think it's obvious it would have been the best thing for the police to interview Assange when he was still in Sweden, and to see if a confession resulted.
Exactly, if a person confesses to a crime it should be held against them.
However if a person is specifically told they can leave a country they shouldn't be subject to arrest outside its borders simply because they haven't confessed yet to a crime they haven't even been charged with, especially if securing that confession is the only possible way to charge them. I feel like I'm watching Catch-22, or Brazil.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:58:50pm |
re: #379 Mark Winter
I would find it strange that everyone seems to know what the woman said except Assange's defense team
You mean you do find it strange, not you would find it strange.
I assume that the lawyers have access to this:
[Link: www.time.com...]
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:58:53pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:58:59pm |
re: #384 goddamnedfrank
Very Catch 22. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:59:09pm |
re: #381 jamesfirecat
Well yeah, but once again, if they didn't post the ideas, and they didn't take part in the attack... what kind of a case can we have against them?
Mafia bosses don't rob banks or kill people themselves. They just issue the orders.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:59:33pm |
re: #388 Killgore Trout
Mafia bosses don't rob banks or kill people themselves. They just issue the orders.
Well yeah, but how can we prove they issued the orders?
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:00:36pm |
re: #388 Killgore Trout
Mafia bosses don't rob banks or kill people themselves. They just
issue the ordersvote on the bill.
;) sorry I had to.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:01:18pm |
re: #384 goddamnedfrank
I'm sorry, but I disagree to a certain extent. Being told 'specifically' that you can leave doesn't give you blanket immunity to future prosecution or questioning. Why would it?
Being subject to arrest is the trickier part, of course. The circumstances of why he was arrested, rather than being allowed to return to Sweden on his own power or interviewed in Sweden, aren't clear.
I feel like I'm watching Catch-22, or Brazil.
Massive hyperbole noted.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:01:33pm |
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:04:45pm |
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:05:24pm |
US Ready To Send Envoy To Venezuela Despite Chavez's Rejection
A possible diplomatic showdown looms after a U.S. official said Thursday he's preparing to send ambassador-designate to Venezuela Larry Palmer to Caracas even though President Hugo Chavez rejected him over comments he made and said the diplomat would be denied entry.
In a telephone press conference, Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs Arturo Valenzuela said Palmer's nomination process has passed all hurdles except for a final "yes" vote from the full Senate, which he said is expected in the coming days.
"If it's approved, then Ambassador Palmer would travel to Caracas and get to work establishing increased dialogue with Venezuelan authorities," Valenzuela said.
Venezuelan officials weren't immediately available to comment Thursday.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:07:34pm |
re: #396 researchok
US Ready To Send Envoy To Venezuela Despite Chavez's Rejection
Maybe they can get a tour of the Iranian missile base Chavez is building.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:08:19pm |
I have a rude question.
Charles please delete this if it is out of bounds.
Women cannot tell the difference between sex with or without a condom fairly quickly?
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:09:37pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:09:51pm |
re: #400 laZardo
This is probably my 4chan-chauvinist talking, but can you say "Asking For It?'
Shut the fuck up.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:10:23pm |
re: #400 laZardo
This is probably my 4chan-chauvinist talking, but can you say "Asking For It?'
no, I can't
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:10:28pm |
re: #401 ozbloke
I have reported it just in case.
Women I have known typically do not prefer condoms, and can tell the difference.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:10:39pm |
re: #400 laZardo
My comment deleted in advance.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:10:47pm |
re: #389 jamesfirecat
Well yeah, but how can we prove they issued the orders?
Easy. Monitor their IRC chats, internet activity, phones calls, bug their houses, infiltrate the group, etc. Same way you bring down any other organization. It's very easy.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:11:33pm |
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:11:53pm |
re: #404 ozbloke
Women I have known typically do not prefer condoms, and can tell the difference.
then why are you asking Charles?....bizarre
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:12:41pm |
re: #409 albusteve
then why are you asking Charles?...bizarre
To bring it to his attention in case he finds it offensive.
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:12:41pm |
re: #391 Obdicut
I'm sorry, but I disagree to a certain extent. Being told 'specifically' that you can leave doesn't give you blanket immunity to future prosecution or questioning. Why would it?
Np, but instead of putting out red alerts on Interpol and issuing European Arrest Warrants just because your suspect doesn't feel like rushing to your country when you finally feel the need to ask him some questions, you could have considered an interview in the Swedish Embassy. Maybe that would have solved the issue. If not, you can still put out the Arrest Warrant.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:13:06pm |
re: #402 Obdicut
Oh good. Another thread about consent and asking for it. I was hoping we could do this again. It is soooooo fun.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:13:31pm |
re: #400 laZardo
This is probably my 4chan-chauvinist talking, but can you say "Asking For It?'
laZardo normally like you but at the moment would you care for a nice hot glass of STFU?
Being willing to give something away at the drop of a hat does not make it more okay to take it from someone.....
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:13:36pm |
re: #411 Mark Winter
Sure. Maybe. It's not like everything is crystal clear, and Assange's notoriety makes this a political hot potato, as well.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:13:36pm |
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jaunte Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:13:51pm |
re: #396 researchok
Chavez is unhappy with Wikileaks, too, as it turns out PDVSA was overstating their production numbers:
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:14:27pm |
Bloggers claim WikiLeaks struck deal with Israel over diplomatic cables leaks
It was only a matter of time before conspiracy theorists came out of the woodwork to suggest that Israel is behind the publication of the WikiLeaks trove - and is manipulating the information coming out to help Israeli interests.
"Where is the real dirt on Israel?" these conspiracy theorists - messaging back and forth in the blogosphere - are asking one another...
Meanwhile, Al Haqiqa, an Arabic language webzine, citing disgruntled WikiLeaks volunteers, adds more details to the conspiracy, suggesting that this "secret agreement" between Assange and "the Mossad," which allegedly took place in Geneva, involved Assange's promise not to publish any document that "may harm Israeli security or diplomatic interests."
"The Israel government, it seems, had somehow found out or expected that the documents to be leaked contained a large number of documents about the Israeli attacks on Lebanon and Gaza in 2006 and 2008-9 respectively," adds an anonymous blogger on IndyMedia. "These documents, which are said to have originated mainly from the American embassies in Tel Aviv and Beirut, were removed and possibly destroyed by Assange, who is the only person who knows the password that can open these documents, the sources added."
Remy Ourdon, who is in charge of the WikiLeaks project for Le Monde - one of the five international newspapers that were given advance copies of the cables by Assange - counters that it is incorrect to claim there are no cables of interest about Israel.
"Not everything has come out yet," he tells Haaretz. "There are tens of thousands of cables and many surprises still coming. There is almost no country which does not have some cables emanating from it."
Moreover, stresses Ourdon, contrary to the conspiracy theorists' charges, Assange is not in control of which cables WikiLeaks publishes - that is determined solely by what the person who obtained the cables was able to access and pass along...
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:15:44pm |
re: #397 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Maybe they can get a tour of the Iranian missile base Chavez is building.
Ah, but that's part of the plan! The US envoy is going to talk Chavez out of it.
//
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:15:56pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:16:20pm |
re: #400 laZardo
Never mind. I can not post that.
MUST resist.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:17:05pm |
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:18:13pm |
re: #423 albusteve
you post at LGF for a living?...sweet deal
I work for myself, and have an arsehole for a boss.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:19:23pm |
re: #417 researchok
Bloggers claim WikiLeaks struck deal with Israel over diplomatic cables leaks
Reading that makes me want to puke. I wish they would get started on Manning's court martial. Hope that fucking little puke gets 50 years.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:20:13pm |
re: #398 ozbloke
Dude, no, they often can't ... this is not helping. The man however IMHO should very much notice when things start getting far more sensitive.
The allegations are very, very serious. However in the stated opinion of one of the accusers, she never intended for him to be charged with rape and sees the root fault of what happened as stemming from Assange's "attitude problems with women." What's unfolding is a typical prosecutor's nightmare.
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McSpiff Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:20:33pm |
Doesn't Gawker own Gizmodo? The site that had 1.2 million passwords hacked and 'leaked' by Wikileaks supporters? Is this a case of "pay backs a bitch" or did someone slip them some fake emails knowing they'd be the first to publish them without much in the way of verification?
Keeping in mind that Gizmodo is also banned from at least one industry trade show, the whole stolen iphone 4 fiasco.. referring to their users as the 'the peons' or whatever it was... doesn't exactly seem like we're dealing with high end journalists.
I have no love for wikileaks, i just really, really hate Gawker.
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cliffster Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:20:51pm |
what a fascinating conversation I just walked into
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:21:44pm |
re: #368 Obdicut
Well, one of the women is cited as saying that Assange had sex with her while she was asleep and in a helpless state.
If she was asleep at the start then, according to Swedish law, that does classify as rape.
That certainly isn't the case here.
I don't think you would know what's the case here. A senior Swedish prosecutor (the one who squashed the first warrant) OBVIOUSLY didn't see a case.
THEN the two women went to a activist feminist lawyer who took the case to an activist feminist prosecutor who reopened the case.
Let me see what MIGHT have happened.
First time the woman tells the prosecutor that she had sex with Mr Assange without a condom in the morning. Can she force him to take a HIV test? The prosecutor asks: Was the sex consensual, and she says ummm sort of yes, I mean he didn't rape me. And the prosecutor says: Hmmm sorry, no case.
THEN the woman sees a second prosecutor, who is know to have a very activist stance on those issues and has even gone public with the idea that men accused of rape by a woman should always been thrown in jail even if their guilt cannot be proven.
The conversation might go a little differently.
So the woman tells the prosecutor that she had sex with Mr Assange without a condom in the morning. Can she force him to take a HIV test? The prosecutor asks: Was the sex consensual, and she says ummm sort of yes, I mean he didn't rape me. And the prosecutor says: Hmmm, difficult case. BUT, you know, if you were asleep, then.... wink wink.
Oh yes, these things DO happen.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:22:03pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:22:10pm |
re: #412 sizzleRI
Oh good. Another thread about consent and asking for it. I was hoping we could do this again. It is sooo fun.
LOL!
*waves*
And wonders, WHY in this day & age we are having discussions about consent.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:22:12pm |
Hmm. Looks like Harry Reid had a moment of clarity and he pulled the 1.3 Trillion dollar spending bill.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:22:48pm |
re: #412 sizzleRI
Oh good. Another thread about consent and asking for it. I was hoping we could do this again. It is sooo fun.
Sorry, I was off LGf geeking out about digital recording interfaces and softsynths
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:23:41pm |
re: #425 Gus 802
Reading that makes me want to puke. I wish they would get started on Manning's court martial. Hope that fucking little puke gets 50 years.
He will- but that won't change the situation re Israel.
I will say this: Even the 'peace talks' are less about a substantive peace agreement than they are about finding a way to maintain the status quo bit in different clothes.
Neither the Palestinians or the Arab world can withstand the upheaval real peace would bring.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:23:45pm |
re: #428 cliffster
what a fascinating conversation I just walked into
i think were dying
i...
i..i think we're dead
everything is moving reallyreallyreallyreally slow
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:23:45pm |
re: #431 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
*waves*
And wonders, WHY in this day & age we are having discussions about consent.
to determine just how anal and complex the issue can be made...that's what I gather anyway
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:23:56pm |
re: #428 cliffster
what a fascinating conversation I just walked into
Duck, roll & hide under sturdy doorways.
Just my 2 cents.
Or roll up you sleeves & jump in!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:24:23pm |
re: #436 albusteve
to determine just how anal and complex the issue can be made...that's what I gather anyway
Anal Complex will be playing with Agoraphobic Nosebleed at the Forum
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:25:00pm |
re: #432 Gus 802
Hmm. Looks like Harry Reid had a moment of clarity and he pulled the 1.3 Trillion dollar spending bill.
really?....he was in for an ass kickin I think...all that wasted blather, you just can't take these guys serious, ya know?
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cliffster Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:25:20pm |
re: #435 WindUpBird
hahaha, that's one of the funniest virals ever.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:25:29pm |
re: #432 Gus 802
Hmm. Looks like Harry Reid had a moment of clarity and he pulled the 1.3 Trillion dollar spending bill.
F*** yes!
Replace it with DADT repeal, that's something I'd love to ram down some Homophobes mouthes!
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:25:32pm |
re: #429 Mark Winter
[Link: www.gloriaallred.com...]
Here's a US one.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:25:44pm |
re: #437 Floral Giraffe
Duck, roll & hide under sturdy doorways.
Just my 2 cents.
Or roll up you sleeves & jump in!
i prefer to wave my brandy snifter at this thread and say 'madam, I may be drunk, but there's no way you can lead a horse to a pig in the poke, the cat's out of the revolving door, chinatown."
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:25:54pm |
re: #438 WindUpBird
Anal Complex will be playing with Agoraphobic Nosebleed at the Forum
shoot, and I can't make that gig
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:26:12pm |
re: #440 cliffster
hahaha, that's one of the funniest virals ever.
I will never not find that funny, it's the greatest
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:26:33pm |
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:26:50pm |
re: #432 Gus 802
Hmm. Looks like Harry Reid had a moment of clarity and he pulled the 1.3 Trillion dollar spending bill.
Maybe he's getting that online gambling deal he wants so badly.
Or rather, the one the lobbyists in Nevada have been hounding him for.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:27:02pm |
re: #434 researchok
He will- but that won't change the situation re Israel.
I will say this: Even the 'peace talks' are less about a substantive peace agreement than they are about finding a way to maintain the status quo bit in different clothes.
Neither the Palestinians or the Arab world can withstand the upheaval real peace would bring.
Depending on what Pukeleaks releases I suppose. Now it's a matter of damage control and rebuilding trust in diplomatic circles. This can't be allowed to happen again. At the very least the penalties for the type of crime that Manning committed should be increased -- perhaps from 50 some odd years to life with no parole.
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cliffster Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:27:09pm |
re: #432 Gus 802
Hmm. Looks like Harry Reid had a moment of clarity and he pulled the 1.3 Trillion dollar spending bill.
Reid, to Republicans:
I see you driving round the House with the majority that I love and I'm like, fuck you...
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:27:35pm |
re: #447 researchok
Maybe he's getting that online gambling deal he wants so badly.
Or rather, the one the lobbyists in Nevada have been hounding him for.
I think he attached that to the tax bill.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:28:07pm |
re: #437 Floral Giraffe
Duck, roll & hide under sturdy doorways.
Just my 2 cents.
Or roll up you sleeves & jump in!
See, now I would edit that so that "you" read "your".
Hmmm.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:28:42pm |
re: #449 cliffster
Reid, to Republicans:
I see you driving round the House with the majority that I love and I'm like, fuck you...
I'm sure the plan is to find a way to blame whatever happens on the Republicans.
SNAFU
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:28:43pm |
re: #446 WindUpBird
it's okay, it's mostly feedback and screaming
thanks, I feel better....but just what do you mean, screaming?....can you clarify or provide a link?
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:29:04pm |
re: #450 Gus 802
I think he attached that to the tax bill.
Isn't everything attached to the tax bill?
Sent you a mail earlier.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:29:47pm |
re: #179 Walter L. Newton
Can we continue to make typo and spelling errors without having to edit, or are other Lizards going to start ostracizing those who deem to let each comment stand as it is? I like my lousy spelling and mangled word usage.
Oh dude, I'd only edit my posts where I fucked up a link or typoed bad enough to obscure my meaning
if it's just bad spelling, i'm letting mine stand :D
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:30:03pm |
re: #448 Gus 802
Depending on what Pukeleaks releases I suppose. Now it's a matter of damage control and rebuilding trust in diplomatic circles. This can't be allowed to happen again. At the very least the penalties for the type of crime that Manning committed should be increased -- perhaps from 50 some odd years to life with no parole.
Heavy penalties would be nice, but in the end, you can't unring the bell.
The damage has been done- and will continue to be done as long as wikilieaks and their clones are in business.
Further, there are already faked cables being peddled.
Major clusterfuck.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:30:29pm |
re: #454 Floral Giraffe
Isn't everything attached to the tax bill?
Sent you a mail earlier.
Got the email, thanks!
Nah, this is the spending bill. I suppose it's "attached" regarding party maneuvering.
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cliffster Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:30:42pm |
re: #437 Floral Giraffe
Duck, roll & hide under sturdy doorways.
Just my 2 cents.
Or roll up you sleeves & jump in!
well, I ain't skeered. now who here is gonna make me a sandwich?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:30:49pm |
re: #453 albusteve
thanks, I feel better...but just what do you mean, screaming?...can you clarify or provide a link?
You're probably not going to like it
I don't really like it either, but I find it interesting as crazy art
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:31:00pm |
re: #455 WindUpBird
Oh dude, I'd only edit my posts where I fucked up a link or typoed bad enough to obscure my meaning
if it's just bad spelling, i'm letting mine stand :D
Not our fault if we want to raise you're standards.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:31:17pm |
re: #456 researchok
Heavy penalties would be nice, but in the end, you can't unring the bell.
The damage has been done- and will continue to be done as long as wikilieaks and their clones are in business.
Further, there are already faked cables being peddled.
Major clusterfuck.
Their clones are probably going to be in business for as long as the internet exists and as long as the mainstream media cares more about celerity gossip than figuring out what is going on with our government....
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:31:33pm |
re: #459 WindUpBird
it's basically a psychotic side project of some guys who play in "normal" bands
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:32:37pm |
re: #461 jamesfirecat
Their clones are probably going to be in business for as long as the internet exists and as long as the mainstream media cares more about celerity gossip than figuring out what is going on with our government...
Truth has always been the first casualty of war. "You print the pictures," etc.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:32:49pm |
re: #459 WindUpBird
[Video]You're probably not going to like it
I don't really like it either, but I find it interesting as crazy art
actually, I was riffin on the thread content, but it's....nice....to try something new
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:33:12pm |
re: #464 albusteve
actually, I was riffin on the thread content, but it's...nice...to try something new
it was fun :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:33:47pm |
re: #464 albusteve
I sorta missed a bunch of this thread, I don't know where it's at now
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:33:55pm |
For all Americans... in case you didn't know this yet
Watch the second part with the police officer, too.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:34:50pm |
re: #468 Mark Winter
Meant to include a link?
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:35:07pm |
re: #461 jamesfirecat
Their clones are probably going to be in business for as long as the internet exists and as long as the mainstream media cares more about celerity gossip than figuring out what is going on with our government...
It's like I noted in a comment on an earlier thread:
This is like the 'terror tax'. We now have to endure more scrutiny at the airport, more hours spent there, the TSA, Homeland Security, etc.
The same will apply to the foreign services of western nations- and the costs, like the 'terror tax' will be enormous.
The 'new normal' is really freedom regressive.
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:35:19pm |
Embed didn't work
It's the Don't talk to the police video
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:35:31pm |
re: #461 jamesfirecat
Their clones are probably going to be in business for as long as the internet exists and as long as the mainstream media cares more about celerity gossip than figuring out what is going on with our government...
The MSM is a reflection of the people. Not the other way around. The reason celebrity gossip is more popular is because the people demand it. Have you ever tried talking politics with the average man on the street? Better yet at some club?
The news was out there since the beginning -- both pro and con regarding the Iraq War for example. Valerie Plame got outed and no one gave a shit. That's the reality of living in a consumerist, materialist society.
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:36:13pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:36:47pm |
re: #461 jamesfirecat
Their clones are probably going to be in business for as long as the internet exists and as long as the
mainstream mediapubliccares more about celebrity gossip than figuring out what is going on with our government...
FTFY.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:36:57pm |
re: #472 Gus 802
The MSM is a reflection of the people. Not the other way around. The reason celebrity gossip is more popular is because the people demand it. Have you ever tried talking politics with the average man on the street? Better yet at some club?
The news was out there since the beginning -- both pro and con regarding the Iraq War for example. Valerie Plame got outed and no one gave a shit. That's the reality of living in a consumerist, materialist society.
And change will be like turning an aircraft carrier- it will take a long, long time.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:37:13pm |
re: #472 Gus 802
The MSM is a reflection of the people. Not the other way around. The reason celebrity gossip is more popular is because the people demand it. Have you ever tried talking politics with the average man on the street? Better yet at some club?
The news was out there since the beginning -- both pro and con regarding the Iraq War for example. Valerie Plame got outed and no one gave a shit. That's the reality of living in a consumerist, materialist society.
////Buck would have some harsh words to say to you if he was logged in....
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:37:17pm |
re: #470 researchok
It's like I noted in a comment on an earlier thread:
This is like the 'terror tax'. We now have to endure more scrutiny at the airport, more hours spent there, the TSA, Homeland Security, etc.
The same will apply to the foreign services of western nations- and the costs, like the 'terror tax' will be enormous.
The 'new normal' is really freedom regressive.
it was always freedom regressive, that is always normal
more or less regresisve depending on your pigmentation and which Yera Of Our Lord it is, of course
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:38:18pm |
re: #472 Gus 802
The MSM is a reflection of the people. Not the other way around. The reason celebrity gossip is more popular is because the people demand it. Have you ever tried talking politics with the average man on the street? Better yet at some club?
The news was out there since the beginning -- both pro and con regarding the Iraq War for example. Valerie Plame got outed and no one gave a shit. That's the reality of living in a consumerist, materialist society.
VALERIE PLAME!....oh the humanity!
(give it up give it up)
I can honestly say, the Anal Complex gig is more important
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:38:54pm |
re: #472 Gus 802
The MSM is a reflection of the people. Not the other way around. The reason celebrity gossip is more popular is because the people demand it. Have you ever tried talking politics with the average man on the street? Better yet at some club?
The news was out there since the beginning -- both pro and con regarding the Iraq War for example. Valerie Plame got outed and no one gave a shit. That's the reality of living in a consumerist, materialist society.
I have good luck talking politics in some clubs, bad luck in others, but yes
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:39:01pm |
re: #475 researchok
And change will be like turning an aircraft carrier- it will take a long, long time.
IMO It'll never happen. People prefer to get drink, get laid, watch football, etc. That's life in America.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:39:02pm |
re: #477 WindUpBird
it was always freedom regressive, that is always normal
more or less regresisve depending on your pigmentation and which Yera Of Our Lord it is, of course
True- but this really adds a newer level, don't you think?
It seems to me addressing problematic social issues is made harder with the addition of new layers of grief.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:39:14pm |
re: #478 albusteve
VALERIE PLAME!...oh the humanity!
(give it up give it up)I can honestly say, the Anal Complex gig is more important
It really is a great band name!
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albusteve Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:40:04pm |
re: #480 Gus 802
IMO It'll never happen. People prefer to get drink, get laid, watch football, etc. That's life in America.
it's the least the feds can allow us after the sacrifices people have made, floating their boat
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:40:12pm |
Don't get caught up in the details. Look at the whole picture. Valerie Plame, clubs, it doesn't matter. Fill in the blanks with whatever makes you comfortable. Good knows we always have to keep Americans comfortable and free from being offended.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:41:08pm |
re: #480 Gus 802
IMO It'll never happen. People prefer to get drink, get laid, watch football, etc. That's life in America.
And it's becoming more like that in Europe.
Even now, there is an undercurrent of anger as Oxbridge is now noted more for drinking and partying than it is for academics.
Brave new world, they say.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:41:10pm |
re: #481 researchok
True- but this really adds a newer level, don't you think?
It seems to me addressing problematic social issues is made harder with the addition of new layers of grief.
we agree on that ;-)
But what i'm saying is, we're always going to have anti-freedom pressures acting on us, some more or less than others, some forms of media or behavior more or less than others
I don't believe this time is any worse, because in the past it was way way worse. even the most obnoxious internet censorship or travel restrictions pales in comparison to say, women's suffrage, etc.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:42:25pm |
re: #484 Gus 802
Don't get caught up in the details. Look at the whole picture. Valerie Plame, clubs, it doesn't matter. Fill in the blanks with whatever makes you comfortable. Good knows we always have to keep Americans comfortable and free from being offended.
No you're right overall, I'm only saying there are occasional pockets of reason now and again where you're like "wow, bright people all around me!"
unfortuantely that's a minority -_-
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:42:54pm |
re: #487 WindUpBird
Only happens on LGF.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:43:59pm |
re: #488 Floral Giraffe
Only happens on LGF.
haha I am on many bloggey commenty areas on the internet that are just as clever as this place, trust me ;-)
LGF is cool because it's an odd mix
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:44:23pm |
re: #487 WindUpBird
No you're right overall, I'm only saying there are occasional pockets of reason now and again where you're like "wow, bright people all around me!"
unfortuantely that's a minority -_-
I remember when I was young and would want to talk about politic or the environment. The usual response was "that's depressing." People still say that. They're always saying things like "how can you watch the news..."
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:44:26pm |
re: #485 researchok
And it's becoming more like that in Europe.
Even now, there is an undercurrent of anger as Oxbridge is now noted more for drinking and partying than it is for academics.
Brave new world, they say.
In America, Fahrenheit 451.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:45:40pm |
re: #490 Gus 802
I remember when I was young and would want to talk about politic or the environment. The usual response was "that's depressing." People still say that. They're always saying things like "how can you watch the news..."
I actually can't watch TV news for that reason, it depresses me. For some reason reading it online doesn't do that, but something about it in motion, I dunno
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:46:01pm |
re: #489 WindUpBird
haha I am on many bloggey commenty areas on the internet that are just as clever as this place, trust me ;-)
LGF is cool because it's an odd mix
"Odd mix" says the cockatoo wearing a French maid apron.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:46:52pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:47:43pm |
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:48:03pm |
re: #492 WindUpBird
I actually can't watch TV news for that reason, it depresses me. For some reason reading it online doesn't do that, but something about it in motion, I dunno
I don't watch "the news" either. Don't have a TV but by the time they come on the news they report was already reported during the day. Plus it's condensed into sound bites.
Then you have that "balloon boy" crap.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:48:39pm |
re: #486 WindUpBird
we agree on that ;-)
But what i'm saying is, we're always going to have anti-freedom pressures acting on us, some more or less than others, some forms of media or behavior more or less than others
I don't believe this time is any worse, because in the past it was way way worse. even the most obnoxious internet censorship or travel restrictions pales in comparison to say, women's suffrage, etc.
I have to agree and disagree- as you must have surmised.
I'm looking at the underlying causation- terror, the wikidump under the phony guise of freedom, etc,
There was a time- and not too long ago!- that taking a flight was easy and could be a spur of the moment thing. It would never have crossed my mind that I would have to fear airports and flights.
Six months ago, the Algerian journalist in yesterdays LGF post slept like a baby at night. Now he and others who will eventually be identified cannot.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:48:42pm |
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:49:31pm |
re: #498 WindUpBird
at the end of the day I'm still just a
guy in a metal t-shirtcockatoo in a french maid apron who votes :D
FTFY
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:50:04pm |
re: #496 Gus 802
I don't watch "the news" either. Don't have a TV but by the time they come on the news they report was already reported during the day. Plus it's condensed into sound bites.
Then you have that "balloon boy" crap.
yes *_*
but even like the Daily Show, i find myself not even wanting to watch the Daily Show because the stuff they're making fun of is irritating me. They show a glenn beck clip and dis it, but I'm still just like UGH THAT GUY
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:50:26pm |
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:50:56pm |
re: #500 WindUpBird
yes *_*
but even like the Daily Show, i find myself not even wanting to watch the Daily Show because the stuff they're making fun of is irritating me. They show a glenn beck clip and dis it, but I'm still just like UGH THAT GUY
Wow, you know the News depresses you when you can't even stand Jon Stewart's take on it...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:51:22pm |
re: #497 researchok
I have to agree and disagree- as you must have surmised.
I'm looking at the underlying causation- terror, the wikidump under the phony guise of freedom, etc,
There was a time- and not too long ago!- that taking a flight was easy and could be a spur of the moment thing. It would never have crossed my mind that I would have to fear airports and flights.
Six months ago, the Algerian journalist in yesterdays LGF post slept like a baby at night. Now he and others who will eventually be identified cannot.
taking a flight was easy, it was also a lot more expensive relative to income, wasn't it?
So freedom might actually be a wash. I can get a hell of a cheap flight now!
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:52:23pm |
re: #502 jamesfirecat
Wow, you know the News depresses you when you can't even stand Jon Stewart's take on it...
Over here they insert at least a minute of celebrity gossip into every 15-20 minutes of the evening news show. Fuck, I need Zoloft.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:53:17pm |
re: #500 WindUpBird
yes *_*
but even like the Daily Show, i find myself not even wanting to watch the Daily Show because the stuff they're making fun of is irritating me. They show a glenn beck clip and dis it, but I'm still just like UGH THAT GUY
Oh, I can watch Beck being ridiculed on the Daily Show. I can't take more than 5 minutes of him on a video clip. He's so absurd and hysterical.
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Mark Winter Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:53:40pm |
Anyway I really hope I'll never be famous so nobody starts digging out goofy emails - shopped or not - I may have written to girls.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:53:57pm |
re: #502 jamesfirecat
Wow, you know the News depresses you when you can't even stand Jon Stewart's take on it...
I love his TAKE but the clips bug me. That one with Gretchen carlson interrogating that poor mayor about some christmas war on the nativity scene shit
That was the most angry I've been at a TV in a month. Just this revolting crap coming out of her
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:54:34pm |
re: #505 Gus 802
Oh, I can watch Beck being ridiculed on the Daily Show. I can't take more than 5 minutes of him on a video clip. He's so absurd and hysterical.
it may be I've just lost my patience for Tv in general! I have no idea. it's a very strange time in my life. Things I thought I was into, I'm just...not, anymore.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:55:35pm |
re: #503 WindUpBird
taking a flight was easy, it was also a lot more expensive relative to income, wasn't it?
So freedom might actually be a wash. I can get a hell of a cheap flight now!
That made me curious about the numbers, so:
If you compared the fares from 1980, today’s fares are about 55% below where they were in 1980 in real terms.
[Link: www.centreforaviation.com...]
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:55:42pm |
re: #505 Gus 802
Oh, I can watch Beck being ridiculed on the Daily Show. I can't take more than 5 minutes of him on a video clip. He's so absurd and hysterical.
What about the time (well two, make that three times really) Jon Stewart pretended to be Glenn Beck for close to 15 solids minuets?
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:56:00pm |
re: #503 WindUpBird
taking a flight was easy, it was also a lot more expensive relative to income, wasn't it?
So freedom might actually be a wash. I can get a hell of a cheap flight now!
Competition! Free market! Capitalism! Seriously, you raise an interesting point.
What are our priories- lifestyle or conscience?
I suspect with less material pressures, more social ills might be addressed.
Do we work for a new flat screen that will be on sale soon, or for something that might benefit others? Are we givers or takers?
There will always be more material goods to be acquired- and there are far too few Mother Teresa's.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:56:16pm |
re: #508 WindUpBird
it may be I've just lost my patience for Tv in general! I have no idea. it's a very strange time in my life. Things I thought I was into, I'm just...not, anymore.
I can't do it. I'll watch stuff online but won't get a TV ever again. I couldn't stand the constant barrage of commercials. It's like having drunk 50 cups of coffee.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:56:17pm |
re: #508 WindUpBird
it may be I've just lost my patience for Tv in general! I have no idea. it's a very strange time in my life. Things I thought I was into, I'm just...not, anymore.
It might not be that. My Stewart/Colbert time is way down since the rally, and I don't bear your burdens (or feathers).
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Amory Blaine Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:56:25pm |
re: #508 WindUpBird
it may be I've just lost my patience for Tv in general! I have no idea. it's a very strange time in my life. Things I thought I was into, I'm just...not, anymore.
Me too IDK if I'm getting old or what.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:56:49pm |
re: #509 jaunte
that's freedom to me. I can't afford 1000 dollar plane tickets. But I can usually afford a $400 plane ticket.
The TSA shit sucks, and I don't like to fly. At all. But I do like that it's cheap!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:57:09pm |
re: #512 Gus 802
I can't do it. I'll watch stuff online but won't get a TV ever again. I couldn't stand the constant barrage of commercials. It's like having drunk 50 cups of coffee.
I agree *_*
anything I watch is on demand or off netflix.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:57:38pm |
re: #510 jamesfirecat
What about the time (well two, make that three times really) Jon Stewart pretended to be Glenn Beck for close to 15 solids minuets?
Well that's funny of course.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:57:53pm |
re: #514 Amory Blaine
Me too IDK if I'm getting old or what.
I changed my life by quitting my day job, is I think what happened. That has set a ton of stuff in motion for me in terms of how I live my life, very weird!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:58:11pm |
re: #510 jamesfirecat
What about the time (well two, make that three times really) Jon Stewart pretended to be Glenn Beck for close to 15 solids minuets?
that i can watch :D
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:58:32pm |
re: #505 Gus 802
He just makes me feel uncomfortable, that feeling of watching someone embarrass themselves. I hate that feeling.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:58:57pm |
re: #513 Decatur Deb
It might not be that. My Stewart/Colbert time is way down since the rally, and I don't bear your burdens (or feathers).
ahaha maybe ^_^
I like Colbert more and more though, it's almost like I prefer his complete zany satire to Stewart's "we're kinda the news" thing.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:59:09pm |
re: #520 sizzleRI
He just makes me feel uncomfortable, that feeling of watching someone embarrass themselves. I hate that feeling.
bingo :D
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cliffster Thu, Dec 16, 2010 5:59:28pm |
re: #490 Gus 802
I remember when I was young and would want to talk about politic or the environment. The usual response was "that's depressing." People still say that. They're always saying things like "how can you watch the news..."
pop culture is heroin
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:00:10pm |
re: #520 sizzleRI
He just makes me feel uncomfortable, that feeling of watching someone embarrass themselves. I hate that feeling.
I always wonder if I do that to people in costume, but then i realize I only wear this stuff at cons around other like minded weirdos :D
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:00:10pm |
re: #520 sizzleRI
He just makes me feel uncomfortable, that feeling of watching someone embarrass themselves. I hate that feeling.
I can't stand listening to Alex Jones or Rush Limbaugh. At least with Glenn Beck there's that built in humor through his over the top performances. Alex Jones might be the worst in my book. It's the delivery too.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:02:19pm |
re: #521 WindUpBird
ahaha maybe ^_^
I like Colbert more and more though, it's almost like I prefer his complete zany satire to Stewart's "we're kinda the news" thing.
The bits I've seen, mostly here, show they are both still on top. I'm sort of going into a hibernation to rebuild for a serious 2011/2012 banzai charge. For one thing, I'm taking my effort and donations out of Alabama Democratic politics.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:02:57pm |
re: #524 WindUpBird
Its not really stuff like people in costumes. Part of it is the insecurity of the people I am watching. Like watching middle school kids interact when any type of burgeoning sexuality is occurring. If you're totally secure rocking your costume than its not awkward to watch.
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:04:37pm |
re: #511 researchok
There will always be more material goods to be acquired- and there are far too few Mother Teresa's.
Please excuse the video poster's inability to spell-check.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:04:38pm |
re: #526 Decatur Deb
The bits I've seen, mostly here, show they are both still on top. I'm sort of going into a hibernation to rebuild for a serious 2011/2012 banzai charge. For one thing, I'm taking my effort and donations out of Alabama Democratic politics.
I just vote and annoy people on the internet. occasionally I give money to queer charities.
Is it because Alabama doens't have much of a D organization? or that what they have sucks?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:04:47pm |
re: #527 sizzleRI
Its not really stuff like people in costumes. Part of it is the insecurity of the people I am watching. Like watching middle school kids interact when any type of burgeoning sexuality is occurring. If you're totally secure rocking your costume than its not awkward to watch.
It took me many decades to introduce solid blue shirts int my wardrobe.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:05:02pm |
re: #525 Gus 802
I have never listened to Alex Jones, but I agree Glenn Beck is a totally different animal than Limbaugh. You're right that Beck can be unintentionally funny, but there is just nothing redeeming in a Limbaugh performance.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:05:35pm |
re: #527 sizzleRI
Its not really stuff like people in costumes. Part of it is the insecurity of the people I am watching. Like watching middle school kids interact when any type of burgeoning sexuality is occurring. If you're totally secure rocking your costume than its not awkward to watch.
I am secure *_*
But yeah I know the feeling, like watching a movie with bad acting, but not bad-good, just AWFUL and you're embarrassed and cringing
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:05:46pm |
re: #529 WindUpBird
I just vote and annoy people on the internet. occasionally I give money to queer charities.
Is it because Alabama doens't have much of a D organization? or that what they have sucks?
From what I understand it's more like those D's who run for office are basically Republican-lite and will still frequently side with Republicans to do what many democrats consider "The wrong thing..."
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:06:34pm |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:06:37pm |
re: #529 WindUpBird
I just vote and annoy people on the internet. occasionally I give money to queer charities.
Is it because Alabama doens't have much of a D organization? or that what they have sucks?
With a couple exceptions, Alabama Dems are Republicans who couldn't make the team. One of our US Reps switched parties last year, and 4 of our state reps did it last month.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:06:41pm |
re: #531 sizzleRI
I have never listened to Alex Jones, but I agree Glenn Beck is a totally different animal than Limbaugh. You're right that Beck can be unintentionally funny, but there is just nothing redeeming in a Limbaugh performance.
Well you could always go back and listen to when he complains about how "Druggies" should be locked up and have the key thrown away for gaurenteed irony lulzs...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:06:43pm |
re: #530 Decatur Deb
It took me many decades to introduce solid blue shirts int my wardrobe.
Outside the zany con outfits, I wear almost the exact same thing every day. Black tshirt with some music or nerd thing printed on it, jeans or cargo pants, boots, forever *_*
Oh yeah, occasionally a sweater!
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:07:11pm |
re: #531 sizzleRI
I have never listened to Alex Jones, but I agree Glenn Beck is a totally different animal than Limbaugh. You're right that Beck can be unintentionally funny, but there is just nothing redeeming in a Limbaugh performance.
It's that whole bombastic shock jock style. I grew up watching Merv Griffin which had a mix of guests but it was never bombastic. Half the time I didn't know what was going on being a kid and seeing guests like Truman Capote or Gore Vidal.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:07:15pm |
re: #536 jamesfirecat
Well you could always go back and listen to when he complains about how "Druggies" should be locked up and have the key thrown away for gaurenteed irony lulzs...
Druggies! We called them druggies in jr high
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:07:18pm |
re: #532 WindUpBird
The entirety of Meet the Parents for me. Any 80's sitcom, especially with teenagers. Curb your Enthusiasm, which I want to watch because its funny in small clips, but I just cannot do it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:08:00pm |
re: #535 Decatur Deb
With a couple exceptions, Alabama Dems are Republicans who couldn't make the team. One of our US Reps switched parties last year, and 4 of our state reps did it last month.
yeah, I'd be leaving Alabama politics too o_O
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:08:25pm |
re: #540 sizzleRI
The entirety of Meet the Parents for me. Any 80's sitcom, especially with teenagers. Curb your Enthusiasm, which I want to watch because its funny in small clips, but I just cannot do it.
OH GOD THAT FILM NOOOOOO
Understand completely
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:08:59pm |
re: #540 sizzleRI
And I love ben stiller! I love it when he's in Zoolander or Mystery Men, gnawing on hood ornaments or screaming
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:09:17pm |
okay I gotta idle and get work done
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:09:23pm |
re: #542 WindUpBird
OH GOD THAT FILM NOOO
Understand completely
Was Fraiser an 80's Sitcom?
Was Cheers?
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:10:15pm |
re: #537 WindUpBird
Haha. My friends joke that my closet must look like a superhero's. Just rows of the same outfit. Jeans + black tank top/t shirt and sandals as long as humanly possible in Boston. Anytime I buy a new shirt I try to differentiate it from all of its new black cousins.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:10:58pm |
re: #545 jamesfirecat
Was Fraiser an 80's Sitcom?
Was Cheers?
Cheers was 80's, Frasier the spinoff was 90's.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:11:46pm |
re: #547 researchok
Cheers was 80's, Frasier the spinoff was 90's.
Is Cheers any good? I've watched all of Fraiser and enjoyed it and seen about five episodes of Cheers since its not in syndication anymore but ocassioanly I catch episodes in hotel rooms..
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:14:35pm |
re: #548 jamesfirecat
Is Cheers any good? I've watched all of Fraiser and enjoyed it and seen about five episodes of Cheers since its not in syndication anymore but ocassioanly I catch episodes in hotel rooms..
Yup, Cheers was great, as well.
Terrific ensemble cast.
I read the secret to their successes was they never ever talked down to their audience, which was opposite of most every other sitcom. They were smart and kept the audience on their toes.
Very different than Married with Children.
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McSpiff Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:15:18pm |
I actually got to the 'Cheers' bar in Boston this summer... pretty cool spot I gotta say
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:15:43pm |
re: #540 sizzleRI
It took 3 watches before I liked Zoolander, but now I love it. The gasoline fight is one of the funniest scenes in any movie. I am laughing just picturing it.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:15:48pm |
re: #543 WindUpBird
And I love ben stiller! I love it when he's in Zoolander or Mystery Men, gnawing on hood ornaments or screaming
ack! he goes to my gym... steam room... the horror... must drink now.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:17:02pm |
re: #533 jamesfirecat
From what I understand it's more like those D's who run for office are basically Republican-lite and will still frequently side with Republicans to do what many democrats consider "The wrong thing..."
It's a very conservative state, and its elected officials reflect that. That's all there is to it.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:17:31pm |
re: #549 Gus 802
[Video]
That was great.
I will never forget the episode where Norm gets a job in brewery. And the episode where his new job requires him to fire people.
NOOORM!!
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:17:48pm |
re: #550 researchok
Yup, Cheers was great, as well.
Terrific ensemble cast.
I read the secret to their successes was they never ever talked down to their audience, which was opposite of most every other sitcom. They were smart and kept the audience on their toes.
Very different than Married with Children.
Yeah, Fraiser doubtlessly never talked down to their audience either if you take my opinion...
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:18:07pm |
re: #554 Dark_Falcon
Like Massachusetts and Brown. Or Rhode Island and Chafee, although that stretched the definition of Republican even in New England.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:19:07pm |
re: #556 jamesfirecat
Yeah, Fraiser doubtlessly never talked down to their audience either if you take my opinion...
Absolutely.
Frasier was as close to classic British comedy as American TV ever got.
I still watch the reruns.
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Amory Blaine Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:19:07pm |
re: #552 sizzleRI
It took 3 watches before I liked Zoolander, but now I love it. The gasoline fight is one of the funniest scenes in any movie. I am laughing just picturing it.
"prancing around in your underwear with your wiener hanging out!!!!"
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:19:22pm |
re: #555 researchok
That was great.
I will never forget the episode where Norm gets a job in brewery. And the episode where his new job requires him to fire people.
NOOORM!!
Plus Norm and Cliff was a new thing for television. Character wise you found yourself thinking "who in the world is that" and wanted to know more. Sometimes if felt like there wasn't enough Norm.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:21:29pm |
re: #560 Gus 802
Plus Norm and Cliff was a new thing for television. Character wise you found yourself thinking "who in the world is that" and wanted to know more. Sometimes if felt like there wasn't enough Norm.
Snap out of it man!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:21:50pm |
re: #557 sizzleRI
Like Massachusetts and Brown. Or Rhode Island and Chafee, although that stretched the definition of Republican even in New England.
Exactly. In the Chicago suburbs, you'll find plenty of support for commuter trains, so Republicans elected there tend to support then, even though most of the party does not. If you want to get elected in a place, you have to be acceptable to the people who live there.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:23:10pm |
re: #560 Gus 802
Plus Norm and Cliff was a new thing for television. Character wise you found yourself thinking "who in the world is that" and wanted to know more. Sometimes if felt like there wasn't enough Norm.
Oh yeah. Norm had the corner seat and he really helped anchor the cast.
I loved those two characters Norm and Cliff, as well as Coach, Rhea Perlman (remember her ex with the 'eyes'? LMAO) and Shelley Long.
Frasier and Lillith- how perfect were they?
That cast was perfect.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:23:38pm |
re: #554 Dark_Falcon
It's a very conservative state, and its elected officials reflect that. That's all there is to it.
You'd think, with all our conservative advantages, we'd beat Belarus on the Human Development Index.
[Link: mapscroll.blogspot.com...]
We got the SEC locked, though.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:23:54pm |
re: #562 Dark_Falcon
Exactly. In the Chicago suburbs, you'll find plenty of support for commuter trains, so Republicans elected there tend to support then, even though most of the party does not. If you want to get elected in a place, you have to be acceptable to the people who live there.
/OK so we liked Palidino here in Brooklyn... sheesh.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:24:56pm |
re: #564 researchok
Oh yeah. Norm had the corner seat and he really helped anchor the cast.
I loved those two characters Norm and Cliff, as well as Coach, Rhea Perlman (remember her ex with the 'eyes'? LMAO) and Shelley Long.
Frasier and Lillith- how perfect were they?
That cast was perfect.
The odd thing of course was that the characters were largely miserable people. There lives that is.
I also liked Hawkeye and Trapper John on MASH. Ol' BJ Hunnicutt never cut it.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:26:32pm |
re: #565 Decatur Deb
We got the SEC locked, though.
How can you complain about anything else? Re you an Auburn or Alabama fan?
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:26:49pm |
re: #532 WindUpBird
I am secure *_*
But yeah I know the feeling, like watching a movie with bad acting, but not bad-good, just AWFUL and you're embarrassed and cringing
Spanish has a term for this, vergüenza ajena. Basically embarrassment by proxy.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:27:47pm |
re: #568 sizzleRI
We got the SEC locked, though.
How can you complain about anything else? Re you an Auburn or Alabama fan?
Daughters went to Auburn. One married badly, though.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:28:07pm |
re: #566 brookly red
/OK so we liked Palidino here in Brooklyn... sheesh.
Paladino just was a horrible candidate. It's OK to tell it like it is, its not OK to be prone to lashing out and to make threats of violence to the press.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:28:17pm |
I'd love to keep talking to you guys, but I need to watch the Burn Notice Season Finale....
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McSpiff Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:28:50pm |
re: #567 Gus 802
The odd thing of course was that the characters were largely miserable people. There lives that is.
I also liked Hawkeye and Trapper John on MASH. Ol' BJ Hunnicutt never cut it.
Maybe this is old news to everyone else... but hearing the MASH theme with the lyrics was a real trip for me...
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:29:00pm |
re: #569 goddamnedfrank
Yes! Those other emotions are pretty great too.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:29:04pm |
re: #571 Dark_Falcon
Paladino just was a horrible candidate. It's OK to tell it like it is, its not OK to be prone to lashing out and to make threats of violence to the press.
It was the bat thing... we love bats.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:29:31pm |
re: #567 Gus 802
The odd thing of course was that the characters were largely miserable people. There lives that is.
I also liked Hawkeye and Trapper John on MASH. Ol' BJ Hunnicutt never cut it.
Oh sure- no matter how bad things were, they were never as bad as the folks at Cheers, That made it everything tolerable.
As for MASH, I agree with you re BJ Hunnicut.
I also really liked the odd couple of r=Radar and Klinger.
That episode where Radar comes in and announces that Colonel Blake's plane crashed was a stunning TV moment. I don't know if it has ever been duplicated, really.
You see it again and again in reruns and it still hits you like a brick wall.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:31:12pm |
re: #576 researchok
Oh sure- no matter how bad things were, they were never as bad as the folks at Cheers, That made it everything tolerable.
As for MASH, I agree with you re BJ Hunnicut.
I also really liked the odd couple of r=Radar and Klinger.
That episode where Radar comes in and announces that Colonel Blake's plane crashed was a stunning TV moment. I don't know if it has ever been duplicated, really.
You see it again and again in reruns and it still hits you like a brick wall.
didn't they kill Radar off in a chopper crash IIRC?
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McSpiff Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:31:48pm |
re: #576 researchok
Oh sure- no matter how bad things were, they were never as bad as the folks at Cheers, That made it everything tolerable.
As for MASH, I agree with you re BJ Hunnicut.
I also really liked the odd couple of r=Radar and Klinger.
That episode where Radar comes in and announces that Colonel Blake's plane crashed was a stunning TV moment. I don't know if it has ever been duplicated, really.
You see it again and again in reruns and it still hits you like a brick wall.
Was reading the wikipedia article about that the other day... turns out they kept the plane crash a secret from most of the cast. They all thought Radar was going to announce he had arrived safely. The reaction you see is largely genuine.
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bratwurst Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:32:52pm |
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:32:54pm |
re: #577 brookly red
didn't they kill Radar off in a chopper crash IIRC?
Colonel Blake's plane got shot down, Radar went back safely to Ottumwa, Iowa.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:33:04pm |
re: #576 researchok
Oh sure- no matter how bad things were, they were never as bad as the folks at Cheers, That made it everything tolerable.
As for MASH, I agree with you re BJ Hunnicut.
I also really liked the odd couple of r=Radar and Klinger.
That episode where Radar comes in and announces that Colonel Blake's plane crashed was a stunning TV moment. I don't know if it has ever been duplicated, really.
You see it again and again in reruns and it still hits you like a brick wall.
Blake was too funny. Especially the way he played the bumbling yet effective career officer. Always preoccupied too.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:33:13pm |
re: #578 McSpiff
Was reading the wikipedia article about that the other day... turns out they kept the plane crash a secret from most of the cast. They all thought Radar was going to announce he had arrived safely. The reaction you see is largely genuine.
the gut busting pop out scene in the movie Alien was like that too...
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:34:00pm |
re: #580 goddamnedfrank
Colonel Blake's plane got shot down, Radar went back safely to Ottumwa, Iowa.
then I stand corrected...
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:34:15pm |
re: #578 McSpiff
Was reading the wikipedia article about that the other day... turns out they kept the plane crash a secret from most of the cast. They all thought Radar was going to announce he had arrived safely. The reaction you see is largely genuine.
Yes- you just reminded me of that!
I recall Radar walks into the surgery- no music, no audience track and he makes the announcement- barely gets through it- and all you hear are surgical instruments and all you see are grieving eyes behind the surgical masks.
It was quite extraordinary.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:34:49pm |
I always though Seinfield was pretty funny...And Friends was pretty good also
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McSpiff Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:35:29pm |
re: #580 goddamnedfrank
Colonel Blake's plane got shot down, Radar went back safely to Ottumwa, Iowa.
Almost had his own spin off too... [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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PhillyPretzel Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:35:35pm |
I only have the time to day "Hello" and run. Good night to my fellow Lizards.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:36:20pm |
re: #585 HoosierHoops
I always though Seinfield was pretty funny...And Friends was pretty good also
I loves me some Community, so glad that Chevy Chase is still working.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:37:01pm |
re: #581 Gus 802
Blake was too funny. Especially the way he played the bumbling yet effective career officer. Always preoccupied too.
And always was the father figure to Radar. That was endearing, really.
Colonel Potter was a great character too. I remember the tontine episode, especially.
He drinks the scotch to the memory of his ww1 friends, now all gone and toasts his new friends.
Hell of show.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:37:36pm |
re: #581 Gus 802
Blake was too funny. Especially the way he played the bumbling yet effective career officer. Always preoccupied too.
That actually has some resemblance to how colonels really are. They have a lot of their plate most of the time, and the fact that they've got a lot of time invested in the army means they are often careful to make sure the Powers That Be are happy.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:37:37pm |
re: #585 HoosierHoops
I always though Seinfield was pretty funny...And Friends was pretty good also
Captain Sobel!
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:39:07pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:40:23pm |
re: #585 HoosierHoops
Hiya Hoops!
Hope all is well?
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wee fury Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:40:30pm |
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wee fury Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:42:16pm |
I'm only posting this because I like it.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:42:28pm |
I agree that BJ was a weak character. It was his job though. Second banana to Hawkeye.
Great show, loved me some Colonel Potter. Bastids kilt im
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:43:07pm |
re: #594 Floral Giraffe
Hiya Hoops!
Hope all is well?
Wonderful! Hope you are well
Saw some real Indian dancing today..It was really awesome..2 dances stand out..The Eagle dance and the hoop dance..Wow..just wow
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:45:28pm |
re: #572 jamesfirecat
I'd love to keep talking to you guys, but I need to watch the Burn Notice Season Finale...
I can never fully accept Jay Karnes as the villain he plays on Burn Notice. His role as Dutch on The Shield is too ingrained in my mind.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:49:43pm |
re: #591 Dark_Falcon
That actually has some resemblance to how colonels really are. They have a lot of their plate most of the time, and the fact that they've got a lot of time invested in the army means they are often careful to make sure the Powers That Be are happy.
One of the Colonels on our J-staff in Korea was commander of the 121st Evac, of MASH fame. He was very, very good, and has a building at Walter Reed named for him. I really started to like him when he called the Eight Army chief of engineers a pimp.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:55:30pm |
The best M.A.S.H. Colonel was Edward Winter as Colonel Flagg
Flagg: "Have you ever heard of the Malaysian chest implosion torture?"
Radar: "No."
Flagg: "Good, because there's no such thing ... yet."
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Barrett Brown Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:57:09pm |
Charles, you should really think about pursuing a job as a producer at one of the cable networks.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:59:15pm |
re: #602 Barrett Brown
Charles, you should really think about pursuing a job as a producer at one of the cable networks.
Why do you say that?
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:59:47pm |
re: #602 Barrett Brown
???
And if Charles should produce cable, Barrett should produce...
Just asking.
I like to torture Mr. Brown.
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wee fury Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:00:53pm |
re: #602 Barrett Brown
Charles, you should really think about pursuing a job as a producer at one of the cable networks.
Hu?
| 606 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:01:14pm |
Kids are arriving soon from FL. We're doing Christmas early. 'Nite, all.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:01:38pm |
re: #601 goddamnedfrank
The best M.A.S.H. Colonel was Edward Winter as Colonel Flagg
Flagg: "Have you ever heard of the Malaysian chest implosion torture?"
Radar: "No."
Flagg: "Good, because there's no such thing ... yet."
LOL
I forgot about him. What a character.
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wee fury Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:02:03pm |
re: #606 Decatur Deb
Kids are arriving soon from FL. We're doing Christmas early. 'Nite, all.
Merry Early Christmas!
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:14:58pm |
re: #598 HoosierHoops
Wonderful! Hope you are well
Saw some real Indian dancing today..It was really awesome..2 dances stand out..The Eagle dance and the hoop dance..Wow..just wow
Those outfits are pretty impressive aren't they?
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:21:00pm |
my two cents on editing - i'm not wholly in favor of the idea.
I would put a max edit window on of about 2 minutes if it were to happen.
Definitely a note that it was edited - and some sites have a tick box to say why:
spelling...........
clarification.....
cooled off........
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:42:11pm |
re: #602 Barrett Brown
I had already bookmarked you r site.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:02:58pm |
re: #602 Barrett Brown
Charles, you should really think about pursuing a job as a producer at one of the cable networks.
You should post a link to your home page, so folks can find you, if they want to. Might drive some traffic for you.
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Buck Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:50:17pm |
re: #601 goddamnedfrank
The best M.A.S.H. Colonel was Edward Winter as Colonel Flagg
Flagg: "Have you ever heard of the Malaysian chest implosion torture?"
Radar: "No."
Flagg: "Good, because there's no such thing ... yet."
Flagg pulls out his pistol and says "One bullet. That's it". Hawkeye says, "OK, just don't use the gun."
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funky chicken Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:04:37pm |
re: #14 Slumbering Behemoth
39 here, and recently had occasion to holler "Get off the lawn" at a couple of pukes riding their bikes on the grass.
Ugh. Black socks and khakis shorts can't be far behind.
/
My son's a cool guy jock, and they wear that crap. No joke. And they wear those Adidas flip flops with the black socks.
Unbelievable.
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funky chicken Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:11:20pm |
I don’t know what to say about this, except “yeesh.”
I'd just say, "don't piss off Gawker."
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