Tonight: The Peacemaker
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A&E has a show debuting tonight that could be worth watching, produced by Ice-T and featuring violence prevention counselor Malik Spellman: The Peacemaker.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:46:12pm |
I don't know if the show is good or not, but I do know that gangs are a problem we are not dealing with too well.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:51:50pm |
I give Ice-T a good deal of credit for this. He saw gang life from the inside, got out of it through his talent, and now is trying combat the scourge it represents. Good on him.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:52:06pm |
re: #1 brookly red
I don't know if the show is good or not, but I do know that gangs are a problem we are not dealing with too well.
Probably, the portrayal will be accurate.
Before you can fix a problem, you have to really understand the problem.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:55:31pm |
re: #3 researchok
Probably, the portrayal will be accurate.
Before you can fix a problem, you have to really understand the problem.
I do agree. Having said that I must also say there is a very fine line between understanding & excepting... we shall see.
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:57:16pm |
re: #2 Dark_Falcon
I give Ice-T a good deal of credit for this. He saw gang life from the inside, got out of it through his talent, and now is trying combat the scourge it represents. Good on him.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:59:01pm |
re: #4 brookly red
I do agree. Having said that I must also say there is a very fine line between understanding & excepting... we shall see.
I give Ice T credit just for trying.
I can only imagine the grief he's going to get- especially if the show takes off.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 6:59:31pm |
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:02:09pm |
re: #7 researchok
I give Ice T credit just for trying.
I can only imagine the grief he's going to get- especially if the show takes off.
I am skeptical. I live in the inner city & I see way too many examples of criminals being glorified... especially in the entertainment industry. As I said we shall see.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:10:59pm |
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prairiefire Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:12:15pm |
Has anybody heard from CanadianClubAkbar lately?
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:14:57pm |
re: #9 brookly red
I am skeptical. I live in the inner city & I see way too many examples of criminals being glorified... especially in the entertainment industry. As I said we shall see.
I understand.
I just hope he can pull it off.
Inner city kids need heroes, too.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:15:22pm |
re: #11 Dark_Falcon
Hello. How are things for you?
Fantastic. I saw my doctor today and he gave me back my driving privileges so I get to go back to work on Monday. It's been a long 6 months of staying at home.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:18:17pm |
re: #13 researchok
I understand.
I just hope he can pull it off.
Inner city kids need heroes, too.
gang members are not heroes, they are criminals. even if one cuts a platinum album, no good can come from saying any thing else.
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b_sharp Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:20:02pm |
re: #15 brookly red
gang members are not heroes, they are criminals. even if one cuts a platinum album, no good can come from saying any thing else.
Once a criminal, always a criminal, is that what you're saying?
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:21:30pm |
re: #15 brookly red
gang members are not heroes, they are criminals. even if one cuts a platinum album, no good can come from saying any thing else.
I meant Ice T and the character on the show.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:22:07pm |
re: #14 NJDhockeyfan
Fantastic. I saw my doctor today and he gave me back my driving privileges so I get to go back to work on Monday. It's been a long 6 months of staying at home.
Glad to hear it. Work is funny that way: When you can't work you miss it, even if the job gives you stress.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:22:39pm |
just logged in quickly to chip in downstairs - but it'd be impolite not to say g'night.
So - g'night.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:24:21pm |
re: #16 b_sharp
Once a criminal, always a criminal, is that what you're saying?
I am saying that criminal behavior should not be encouraged... now I have not seen the show, so I can't say for sure, but I am guessing that we are going to see people talking about the bad things they did in the past... an got away with.
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:25:32pm |
re: #16 b_sharp
More like bragging about popping caps into people's asses and referring to women as gardening equipment and female dogs is not exactly providing a positive role model to people.
With that in mind, I would like to sincerely apologize for #400 last thread.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:28:17pm |
re: #15 brookly red
gang members are not heroes, they are criminals. even if one cuts a platinum album, no good can come from saying any thing else.
Hey, if you write a children's book while on death row you can get Mike Farrell and Jesse Jackson to show up at your execution.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:28:29pm |
re: #17 researchok
I meant Ice T and the character on the show.
He's a good actor, and the role he played on Law and Order was very positive.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:28:44pm |
re: #17 researchok
I meant Ice T and the character on the show.
what about him? Gang members are gang members, what else is there to say?
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:28:50pm |
I find it some what ironic that a man who recorded the song "Cop Killer" is now sponsoring a show about violence prevention.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:30:02pm |
re: #26 Gus 802
Never fight anarchy with anarchy. That makes anarchists mad!
//
...
No getting jiggy with the chaos?
Boring!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:30:15pm |
re: #18 Dark_Falcon
Glad to hear it. Work is funny that way: When you can't work you miss it, even if the job gives you stress.
I have zero stress with my job. The work is easy and my fellow employees are fantastic. Everyone I've met is just beaming with positive mental attitudes.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:30:33pm |
re: #23 SanFranciscoZionist
He's a good actor, and the role he played on Law and Order was very positive.
Agreed. It's one of life's ironies that a man who became infamous for a song called "Cop Killer" came to play a cop on TV. And its good thing, too.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:31:10pm |
re: #25 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I find it some what ironic that a man who recorded the song "Cop Killer" is now sponsoring a show about violence prevention.
yeah, like dat. This is the reason I won't allow television in my home. You have to draw the line somewhere.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:31:26pm |
re: #27 Varek Raith
...
No getting jiggy with the chaos?
Boring!
How best to fight the Borg? Create your own Borg!
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:31:27pm |
re: #28 NJDhockeyfan
I have zero stress with my job. The work is easy and my fellow employees are fantastic. Everyone I've met is just beaming with positive mental attitudes.
Damn!
That would drive me bonkers!
;)
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:31:28pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:31:31pm |
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:31:54pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:32:12pm |
re: #26 Gus 802
Never fight anarchy with anarchy. That makes anarchists mad!
//
Anarchists really know how to make some great Molotov cocktails.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:32:17pm |
re: #33 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Leads to all sorts of heresies.
Well, you've got Imperial Guardsmen for that.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:32:22pm |
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:32:53pm |
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:33:11pm |
re: #15 brookly red
gang members are not heroes, they are criminals. even if one cuts a platinum album, no good can come from saying any thing else.
If you read the introduction on the show, it seems to be more about a fellow, Malik Spellman.
South Central Los Angeles. For many, the words evoke images of fear and violence. For Malik Spellman, the words put forth hope. A violence prevention counselor by day, Spellman tours the streets of his hometown at night, on a mission to bring peace to the troubled neighborhoods he's lived in for 30 years.
He's been working to help kids for 20 years.
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:33:16pm |
(Note: Ice-T played this wannabe's main "rival" in San Andreas.)
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:33:17pm |
re: #36 NJDhockeyfan
Anarchists really know how to make some great Molotov cocktails.
Comes from having been raised around the finest of liquors in their parent's estate.
//
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:33:21pm |
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:33:57pm |
re: #23 SanFranciscoZionist
He's a good actor, and the role he played on Law and Order was very positive.
I got my twelve gauge sawed off.
I got my headlights turned off.
I'm 'bout to bust some shots off.
I'm 'bout to dust some cops off.
Cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, f**k police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your family's grievin'
(f**k 'em)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even.
yeah, whatever...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:34:11pm |
re: #35 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Or use solid projectile weapons.
Sounds like a good time for a magnetic accelerator-type of weapon.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:34:59pm |
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:35:10pm |
re: #40 marjoriemoon
If you read the introduction on the show, it seems to be more about a fellow, Malik Spellman.
He's been working to help kids for 20 years.
I did, & bless him... as I said we shall see. I am skeptical.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:35:16pm |
re: #44 brookly red
So people should have all of their past mistakes held against them for the rest of their lives?
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:35:54pm |
re: #45 Dark_Falcon
Sounds like a good time for a magnetic accelerator-type of weapon.
Or a "laser."
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:35:58pm |
Just don't mention the Black Bloc.
I remember going to a few protests in San Francisco. Most of us normal liberals thought the anarchists were assholes that typically liked to break things and make the rest of us look bad.
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:36:23pm |
re: #44 brookly red
I got my twelve gauge sawed off.
I got my headlights turned off.
I'm 'bout to bust some shots off.
I'm 'bout to dust some cops off.Cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, f**k police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your family's grievin'
(f**k 'em)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even.yeah, whatever...
He recorded that in 1992. You think a person can't redeem himself?
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:36:32pm |
re: #48 Varek Raith
So people should have all of their past mistakes held against them for the rest of their lives?
According to my grandmother? YES.
Break one fucking dish when you're 7 and branded for life.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:36:49pm |
re: #52 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
According to my grandmother? YES.
Break one fucking dish when you're 7 and branded for life.
OUCH!
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:37:23pm |
re: #41 laZardo
[Video](Note: Ice-T played this wannabe's main "rival" in San Andreas.)
Speaking of Ice-T Once you see it, you can't unsee it...
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:38:22pm |
re: #54 jamesfirecat
Speaking of Ice-T Once you see it, you can't unsee it...
Proof there are some irredeemable acts.
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shai_au Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:38:40pm |
Still looking at Hot Air comments about DADT.
Here's a golden one:
How about also the “rights” of adulterers in the military? After all, isn’t adultery just a sexual preference? Why should adulterers be kicked out of the military? If gay sex is no longer considered immoral, why should adultery be? Adulterers have “civil rights,” too.
Gabe on December 16, 2010 at 12:00 PM
/facepalm
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:38:50pm |
re: #48 Varek Raith
So people should have all of their past mistakes held against them for the rest of their lives?
well yes & no... there is a statute of limitations. If their mistakes include intentionality harming others, well quite frankly, yes.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:39:10pm |
re: #56 shai_au
Still looking at Hot Air comments about DADT.
Here's a golden one:
/facepalm
Umm... last time I checked, Adulters aren't kicked out the military.... are they?
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:39:52pm |
re: #51 marjoriemoon
He recorded that in 1992. You think a person can't redeem himself?
my name is Red not Jesus.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:39:55pm |
re: #58 jamesfirecat
Umm... last time I checked, Adulters aren't kicked out the military... are they?
Court Martialed usually, depends on the case.
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prairiefire Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:40:07pm |
re: #58 jamesfirecat
Umm... last time I checked, Adulters aren't kicked out the military... are they?
Um, I think that actually they are, IIRC.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:40:15pm |
re: #58 jamesfirecat
Umm... last time I checked, Adulters aren't kicked out the military... are they?
In their minds it's no the "US Armed Forces", but "God's Army".
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:40:23pm |
Anarchy doesn't pay the bills and neither does Wikileaks. None of those knuckleheads have much to do with my world. I need more work and it's up to the public and private sector to figure that shit out and they've been doing a piss poor job of that since October of 2008.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:40:44pm |
re: #61 prairiefire
Um, I think that actually they are, IIRC.
Oh sorry, my bad, I guess our military is a lot more puritan than I expected it to be....
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:41:09pm |
re: #60 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Court Martialed usually, depends on the case.
What?
That make no fucking sense.
The Army is the Morality Police now??
Gee, what other countries have Morality Polices???
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:41:13pm |
re: #44 brookly red
I got my twelve gauge sawed off.
I got my headlights turned off.
I'm 'bout to bust some shots off.
I'm 'bout to dust some cops off.Cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, f**k police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your family's grievin'
(f**k 'em)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even.yeah, whatever...
So, you leave no place for redemption?
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:41:46pm |
re: #24 brookly red
what about him? Gang members are gang members, what else is there to say?
Ice T is the producer of the show.
he could be a great role model in that capacity.
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shai_au Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:42:34pm |
re: #58 jamesfirecat
I think his main point is that letting gays in the military is a slippery slope to making other immoralities A-OK. Why, before you know it, we'll be protecting the civil rights of people who commit treason!
Go through the whole thread. There's a lot more.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:42:57pm |
re: #68 shai_au
I think his main point is that letting gays in the military is a slippery slope to making other immoralities A-OK. Why, before you know it, we'll be protecting the civil rights of people who commit treason!
Go through the whole thread. There's a lot more.
No I won't. I value my sanity too much...
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:43:37pm |
re: #65 Varek Raith
What?
That make no fucking sense.
The Army is the Morality Police now??
Gee, what other countries have Morality Polices???
Falls under Article 134
“Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special, or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.”
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prairiefire Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:43:51pm |
re: #64 jamesfirecat
Oh sorry, my bad, I guess our military is a lot more puritan than I expected it to be...
When a person signs up with our military, they are expected to resign many personal freedoms or rights, if you will, in exchange for their military service. It is a big honor and a big sacrifice. Myself, I would never have the temperament for it.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:44:05pm |
re: #57 brookly red
You've never intentionally hurt anyone? Do you mean just criminally? Because I have certainly hurt people, and at the time had every intention of doing so. Nothing that would rise to the level of criminal charges, but still it was intent to cause somebody pain. I regret it now, I usually regretted my actions pretty much right after they happened. I think most people have.
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Ojoe Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:44:58pm |
re: #63 Gus 802
Well I'm an architect & I'm driving the trucks for the local food bank now. Yeah, the elite with their hands on the levers of power are clueless. I look forward to their demise as controllers of anything. Then we can have a new bunch; it will take some time again to come to where we are now & at least it will be better for a while.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:45:08pm |
re: #66 Dark_Falcon
So, you leave no place for redemption?
I got people right here on the block pushing their beautiful children around in wheelchairs cause they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time...
redemption comes from God, not the network.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:45:21pm |
re: #73 sizzleRI
You've never intentionally hurt anyone? Do you mean just criminally? Because I have certainly hurt people, and at the time had every intention of doing so. Nothing that would rise to the level of criminal charges, but still it was intent to cause somebody pain. I regret it now, I usually regretted my actions pretty much right after they happened. I think most people have.
Most, but not all.
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:45:23pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:45:45pm |
re: #44 brookly red
I got my twelve gauge sawed off.
I got my headlights turned off.
I'm 'bout to bust some shots off.
I'm 'bout to dust some cops off.Cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, f**k police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your family's grievin'
(f**k 'em)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even.yeah, whatever...
I remember all the bad press that song received when it came out.
CLEAT (Combined Law Enforcement Associations of Texas) called for a boycott of all products by Time-Warner in order to secure the removal of the song and album from stores.[7] Within a week, they were joined by police organizations across the United States.[3]
In an article for the Washington Post, Tipper Gore condemned Ice-T for songs like "Cop Killer," writing that "Cultural economics were a poor excuse for the South's continuation of slavery. Ice-T's financial success cannot excuse the vileness of his message [...] Hitler's anti-Semitism sold in Nazi Germany. That didn't make it right."[4] Some critics argued that the song could cause crime and violence.[3][8] Dennis R. Martin (Former President, National Association of Chiefs of Police) argued that:“ The misuse of the First Amendment is graphically illustrated in Time-Warner's attempt to insert into the mainstream culture the vile and dangerous lyrics of the Ice-T song entitled Cop Killer. The Body Count album containing Cop Killer was shipped throughout the United States in miniature body bags. Only days before distribution of the album was voluntarily suspended, Time-Warner flooded the record market with a half million copies. The Cop Killer song has been implicated in at least two shooting incidents and has inflamed racial tensions in cities across the country. Those who work closely with the families and friends of slain officers volunteering for the American Police Hall of Fame and Museum, are outraged by the message of Cop Killer. It is an affront to the officers—144 in 1992 alone—who have been killed in the line of duty while upholding the laws of our society and protecting all its citizens.[9]
I wonder how many other shootings were related to the release of that song?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:45:52pm |
re: #64 jamesfirecat
re: #65 Varek Raith
The reason adultery is a violation of military rules is twofold:
1. If its with another member of the military, said adultery threatens the ability of the military to properly function.
2. Adultery is inherently deceitful. People who are known to engage in deceit do not inspire confidence in others, and in combat that can get you killed.
The military rules against adultery really do make sense, when seen through the eyes of the military.
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:46:15pm |
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:46:56pm |
re: #76 researchok
No, not all. But everyone I know? They have. Maybe I surround myself with exceptionally fallible human beings.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:47:36pm |
re: #78 NJDhockeyfan
Used to hear the same thing about Slayer and Ozzy
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:47:59pm |
re: #84 Gus 802
Testing my Lizard powers. Not sure if it will work. ;)
must... bring... Gus... beer...
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:48:19pm |
re: #85 SpaceJesus
Used to hear the same thing about Slayer and Ozzy
Or ICP or Doom or GTA or comic books or movies or tv or...
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:48:36pm |
re: #79 Dark_Falcon
re: #65 Varek Raith
The reason adultery is a violation of military rules is twofold:
1. If its with another member of the military, said adultery threatens the ability of the military to properly function.
2. Adultery is inherently deceitful. People who are known to engage in deceit do not inspire confidence in others, and in combat that can get you killed.
The military rules against adultery really do make sense, when seen through the eyes of the military.
2 other points of note;
The weekend after the fleet leaves, clubs are fucking packed with chicks.
You have never seen real panic until a ship returns to port ahead of schedule.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:49:11pm |
re: #79 Dark_Falcon
re: #65 Varek Raith
The reason adultery is a violation of military rules is twofold:
1. If its with another member of the military, said adultery threatens the ability of the military to properly function.
2. Adultery is inherently deceitful. People who are known to engage in deceit do not inspire confidence in others, and in combat that can get you killed.
The military rules against adultery really do make sense, when seen through the eyes of the military.
Number one doubtlessly makes sense, since once you start fucking up or down the chain of command... well you're fucking around with the chain of command.
Number two... well would we kick someone out if they were single and had a one night stand with someone who claimed to be single but was actually married?
It makes sense in some situations, but not in others....
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:49:16pm |
re: #85 SpaceJesus
Used to hear the same thing about Slayer and Ozzy
I don't recall those band's songs tied to violence.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:49:24pm |
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:49:49pm |
re: #91 NJDhockeyfan
I can give you the court cases if you want
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shai_au Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:50:24pm |
re: #79 Dark_Falcon
2. Adultery is inherently deceitful. People who are known to engage in deceit do not inspire confidence in others, and in combat that can get you killed.
Interesting that DADT basically forces people to be deceitful.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:50:49pm |
re: #94 SpaceJesus
Did you get your homework done?
*smack* if not.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:51:29pm |
re: #90 jamesfirecat
Number one doubtlessly makes sense, since once you start fucking up or down the chain of command... well you're fucking around with the chain of command.
Number two... well would we kick someone out if they were single and had a one night stand with someone who claimed to be single but was actually married?
It makes sense in some situations, but not in others...
Likely not. Punishment does not have to equal discharge. There is some leeway there. But anyone brought up on charges is likely done career-wise in the military, whatever the verdict. As in civilian life, being taken to trial creates a stink that tends to stick to person, even if acquitted.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:51:43pm |
re: #98 shai_au
Woops, failed the quoting. Sorry.
Its okay your post was still quite intelligent and well thought out....
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:52:49pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:52:57pm |
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:54:02pm |
re: #99 Floral Giraffe
naw, got like 10 more pages left on this research paper on covenants then im done and heading back home for holidays.
speaking of slayer and the holidays and procrastination,
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prairiefire Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:54:22pm |
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:55:50pm |
re: #105 prairiefire
Is that your weekend battle cry around the house?
No, thats usually "I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU TO CLEAN THAT SHIT UP?!"
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:56:25pm |
re: #106 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
No, thats usually "I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU TO CLEAN THAT SHIT UP?!"
And then you get your WH toys taken away by your wife.
:P
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:56:51pm |
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shai_au Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:57:36pm |
re: #101 jamesfirecat
Its okay your post was still quite intelligent and well thought out...
Sorry, I've been on the Internet too long and am paranoid about sarcasm.
But I'll take that at face value and say... thanks!
In Australia, our military has allowed gays and lesbians to serve openly since the early '90s. The change was smooth and barely noticeable - I think barely anyone resigned because of being forced to serve with them - which leads me to think that the fuss over DADT is completely overblown.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:58:17pm |
re: #79 Dark_Falcon
re: #65 Varek Raith
The reason adultery is a violation of military rules is twofold:
1. If its with another member of the military, said adultery threatens the ability of the military to properly function.
2. Adultery is inherently deceitful. People who are known to engage in deceit do not inspire confidence in others, and in combat that can get you killed.
The military rules against adultery really do make sense, when seen through the eyes of the military.
If marriage is not primarily about commitment and monogamy, what is it about? Why marry if there is no intention to be monogamous?
I understand people stray- that is a part of the human condition. Nevertheless, the institution of marriage is a contract not only between a couple but between a couple and society at large. Marriages keep society stable- adultery is after all, most disruptive. Marriages also form the foundation of societies family life. A stable marriage (straight or gay) is inherently better for a child than a marriage that is weak and uncommitted. There is a reason society accords certain benefits to married couples, for the simple reason that married people and families contribute much to society.
And yes, the same applies to couples who are committed,etc.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:58:17pm |
re: #108 Varek Raith
Most interesting...
I don't get it but I think we're dealing with the cult of personality here. Seemed like a harmless comment to me but that's never stopped anyone.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:58:40pm |
re: #107 Varek Raith
And then you get your WH toys taken away by your wife.
:P
No, my wife's battlecry is "WHY DON'T YOU KIDS LISTEN?"
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 7:59:48pm |
re: #111 Gus 802
I don't get it but I think we're dealing with the cult of personality here. Seemed like a harmless comment to me but that's never stopped anyone.
and so it is written, no harmless comment shall go unpunished.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:03:23pm |
Man, SF didn't show up to play football tonight.
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prairiefire Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:04:38pm |
re: #111 Gus 802
I don't get it but I think we're dealing with the cult of personality here. Seemed like a harmless comment to me but that's never stopped anyone.
He does sound like a young George Plimpton. Meh, I don't think we've had many anarchists around since that one gal from NYC.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:08:17pm |
I can only think of an extreme, draconian "solution" to the urban gang problem. Best kept to myself, I think.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:08:58pm |
re: #81 Gus 802
what are they even arguing about?
does that barret guy really believe anarchism to be his preferred model of government for the world? or is this something else?
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:09:18pm |
re: #115 prairiefire
He does sound like a young George Plimpton. Meh, I don't think we've had many anarchists around since that one gal from NYC.
It should get interesting the next time something plays out in Israel though. I mean, so far we've gotten al-Jazeera, American's killing journalists, Justin Raimando, Glenn Greenwald, the violin section for Bradley Manning, etc. When does George Galloway show up?
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:10:26pm |
re: #83 sizzleRI
No, not all. But everyone I know? They have. Maybe I surround myself with exceptionally fallible human beings.
You would be surprised at how many people lack real sensitivity. In fact, that is a problem that has increased exponentially.
People don't think they are being insensitive- we all want to see ourselves in the best light possible- but in fact we have a society and group become more detached from 'the other', That detachment enables the 'bad behavior' which is different from the 'hurting' you were talking about. That 'hurting' is far less common. What you described I would refer to as bad behavior, a less cruel thing. Hurting really requires a more intimate relationship as well as a deliberate desire to hurt as opposed to simply lashing out. For example, if I may, I thought your response to me was more 'bad behavior' than it was hurtful. I assumed, as you noted in a subsequent comment you were tired, so I didn't take it personally, or as hurtful in intent.
When all is said and done however, we do need to realign how we relate with people with whom we differ. That really is a problem. We come to vilify anyone who disagrees with us. That kind of pathology only escalates. As long as we allow outliers to define our identity the problem will persist and get worse.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:11:33pm |
re: #118 Gus 802
It should get interesting the next time something plays out in Israel though. I mean, so far we've gotten al-Jazeera, American's killing journalists, Justin Raimando, Glenn Greenwald, the violin section for Bradley Manning, etc. When does George Galloway show up?
When the septic tank gets emptied.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:12:06pm |
re: #111 Gus 802
I don't get it but I think we're dealing with the cult of personality here. Seemed like a harmless comment to me but that's never stopped anyone.
Hit the nail right on the freakin' head.
All about identity.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:12:16pm |
Jon Stewart is going to town on the Republicans and the media over the 9/11 responders bill...
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:12:18pm |
Now Pink Floyd star's 'anarchist' son is pictured trying to set fire to the Supreme Court's doors
The Pink Floyd guitarist’s son seen swinging on the Union Flag at the Cenotaph was arrested yesterday on suspicion of criminal damage and violent disorder.Charlie Gilmour, 21, who is the adopted son of musician David Gilmour, caused national outrage when he grabbed the Union flag during the tuition fees riots in London last Thursday.
Fresh pictures have now emerged of him piling newspapers outside the Supreme Court and attempting to set fire to them with a lighter.
At this point, a policeman intervened to kick the impromptu bonfire apart.
Gilmour was also pictured clutching a rock for use as potential ammunition against the police and allegedly boasted of ‘taking so many batons’ during the violent clashes.
The Cambridge University history student was also in the mob that surrounded Prince Charles and Camilla' car.
As these exclusive pictures show, Charlie Gilmour seemed prepared for violence as mayhem erupted during the protest over university tuition fees.
Anarchists really know how to party!
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:13:11pm |
re: #122 jamesfirecat
Jon Stewart is going to town on the Republicans and the media over the 9/11 responders bill...
Yea, you don't see him seriously pissed too often and you can see it there. That montage they put together rocked.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:13:57pm |
re: #123 NJDhockeyfan
Now Pink Floyd star's 'anarchist' son is pictured trying to set fire to the Supreme Court's doors
Anarchists really know how to party!
no, there is no anarchist party... I guess that is the point.
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:14:30pm |
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:14:30pm |
re: #123 NJDhockeyfan
Now Pink Floyd star's 'anarchist' son is pictured trying to set fire to the Supreme Court's doors
Anarchists really know how to party!
He's not an anarchist!
//
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:14:55pm |
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:15:01pm |
re: #125 SpaceJesus
wish i had cable
Honestly, I will be surprised if Charles doesn't put this up at some point on Friday.
Right now Jon is talking to 4 9/11 first responders, all of whom have various forms of cancer....
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:18:07pm |
re: #123 NJDhockeyfan
Now Pink Floyd star's 'anarchist' son is pictured trying to set fire to the Supreme Court's doors
Anarchists really know how to party!
Aren't they just gentle little lambs? So hopeful and idealistic.
/dripping
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:18:28pm |
re: #131 jamesfirecat
sometimes, his show should be mandatory viewing material for the entire country.
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Stanghazi Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:19:07pm |
This subject is so intense. It goes from thread to thread to thread.
I may pull a Walter and yawn soon enough.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:19:49pm |
re: #134 SpaceJesus
sometimes, his show should be mandatory viewing material for the entire country.
oh, there is that mandatory thing you guys love so much...
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:20:15pm |
re: #134 SpaceJesus
sometimes, his show should be mandatory viewing material for the entire country.
Especially because Jon pointed out that really no other news network bothered to do a story except Fox and they didn't even point out what party was filibustering the bill....
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:20:17pm |
re: #119 researchok
You would be surprised at how many people lack real sensitivity. In fact, that is a problem that has increased exponentially.
People don't think they are being insensitive- we all want to see ourselves in the best light possible- but in fact we have a society and group become more detached from 'the other', That detachment enables the 'bad behavior' which is different from the 'hurting' you were talking about. That 'hurting' is far less common. What you described I would refer to as bad behavior, a less cruel thing. Hurting really requires a more intimate relationship as well as a deliberate desire to hurt as opposed to simply lashing out. For example, if I may, I thought your response to me was more 'bad behavior' than it was hurtful. I assumed, as you noted in a subsequent comment you were tired, so I didn't take it personally, or as hurtful in intent.
When all is said and done however, we do need to realign how we relate with people with whom we differ. That really is a problem. We come to vilify anyone who disagrees with us. That kind of pathology only escalates. As long as we allow outliers to define our identity the problem will persist and get worse.
That part in bold is certainly true. I have only hurt people I was close to, they were the only people that ever made me angry enough to do so.
I don't think I can agree that the lack of sensitivity has only increased. At least according to my parents it really isn't all that different today then when they were growing up. It may manifest itself differently because of technology.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:20:25pm |
re: #136 brookly red
yeah, it goes hand in hand with my mandatory sarcasm
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:21:02pm |
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jaunte Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:21:25pm |
re: #137 Gus 802
I'm still trying to figure out how anarchism can exist in the wild.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:22:43pm |
re: #141 SpaceJesus
yeah, it goes hand in hand with my mandatory sarcasm
mandatory sarcasm? I gotta upding that.
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:24:26pm |
re: #143 jaunte
I'm still trying to figure out how anarchism can exist in the wild.
lol I'm with ya bro! Imagine what kind of sex they have though. Whew!
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:24:56pm |
re: #135 Stanley Sea
This subject is so intense. It goes from thread to thread to thread.
I may pull a Walter and yawn soon enough.
take not Walter's name in vane...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:26:24pm |
re: #117 SpaceJesus
Anarchy isn't anarchy any more. It's transformed into some high-minded ideology that us common folk just don't get.
/
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:27:40pm |
re: #148 Slumbering Behemoth
Anarchy isn't anarchy any more. It's transformed into some high-minded ideology that us common folk just don't get.
/
Damn. too long for a revolving title, but oh so worth it.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:28:27pm |
re: #135 Stanley Sea
This subject is so intense. It goes from thread to thread to thread.
I may pull a Walter and yawn soon enough.
I've gone from confused to angry to amused with wikileak supporters/defenders/deflectors.
;)
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:28:35pm |
re: #148 Slumbering Behemoth
Anarchy isn't anarchy any more. It's transformed into some high-minded ideology that us common folk just don't get.
/
Elitism!
//I'd explain it to you but you're probably to dumb to understand.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:29:11pm |
re: #148 Slumbering Behemoth
Apparently. This guy is taking McCain to court? I don't have it in me to follow this drama train all the way.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:29:39pm |
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brookly red Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:30:09pm |
Well I gotta say good night, it's been fun
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:31:28pm |
re: #152 SpaceJesus
McCain?
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:32:09pm |
re: #140 sizzleRI
That part in bold is certainly true. I have only hurt people I was close to, they were the only people that ever made me angry enough to do so.
I don't think I can agree that the lack of sensitivity has only increased. At least according to my parents it really isn't all that different today then when they were growing up. It may manifest itself differently because of technology.
I disagree. As a behaviorist I see real shifts.
Technology in fact has exacerbated the problem. For example, activists of any kind came to their (political/ideological, etc.) stance by way of active commitment involvement (as in study, books, etc). In this forum, the older members came to their ideologies the hard way and in fact roll their eyes at 'talking points' and bullets. Also, older ideological adversaries are much more likely to get along and even like each other despite differences. Why? Because for us 'older' types, our ideologies and politics are very separate and distinct from our real identity as individuals.
Now, activism is a far more passive endeavor- the net makes joining easy, make the anonymous relationships easy, etc. Not happy after you meet? There's another online ready and waiting. The cause gets boring? There is another a few clicks away that will welcome you (as long as you assume the prescribed identity!) No need for substance, no need for depth. It's all provided in the talking points and the demand to demonize any opponent.
That demonization is integral to this behavior. Why? Because a separate and apart you is less likely to engage and then question.
Seriously, to study behavior today is fascinating.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:32:21pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:33:28pm |
re: #158 reine.de.tout
Oh. Well, good luck with that then, I guess. RSM is a douche.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:34:13pm |
re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh. Well, good luck with that then, I guess. RSM is a douche.
The douche of my douche is not my friend.
//
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:35:22pm |
re: #160 Gus 802
The douche of my douche is not my friend.
//
The enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy. Nothing more, but probably less.
:P
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:35:54pm |
Unless he wants to knock it off. But I don't see that happening. For the most part it's been like anarchist evangelicalism. Or Wikileaks evangelicalism.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:36:19pm |
re: #160 Gus 802
Yeah, but you end up with a really clean...
nevermind
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:37:00pm |
re: #162 Gus 802
Unless he wants to knock it off. But I don't see that happening. For the most part it's been like anarchist evangelicalism. Or Wikileaks evangelicalism.
The religious analogy connection.
Now that's clarity and explains the devotion.
Boy, could I run with that.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:37:03pm |
re: #163 Slumbering Behemoth
I hear warning klaxons and sirens...
I think I should back away from your location...
/
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:37:42pm |
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:38:02pm |
re: #165 Varek Raith
I hear warning klaxons and sirens...
I think I should back away from your location...
/
"Paperz...vere are your paperz..."
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:38:35pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:39:27pm |
re: #162 Gus 802
Unless he wants to knock it off. But I don't see that happening. For the most part it's been like anarchist evangelicalism. Or Wikileaks evangelicalism.
Yep. I don't know who he thinks he's going to win over. All he's going to get here is gang-tackled. He does not seem to understand that Charles left the Right, he didn't join the loony left when he did so.
| 170 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:39:37pm |
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:39:54pm |
re: #164 researchok
The religious analogy connection.
Now that's clarity and explains the devotion.
Boy, could I run with that.
Yeah. And the punchline is that the source is an atheist. Who dem figureds. I've seen this kind of stuff from atheists before though. It's like some sub-religion they latch onto. But I've seen this before. The two atheists I follow on Youtube seem to worship Julian Assange. Of course being an atheist I can see their own brand religiousness.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:40:07pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:40:51pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:42:18pm |
re: #173 Varek Raith
Funny...
Now I'm hearing air raid sirens.
And now the Geiger counter is picking up something...
Methinks you are screwed!
Varek, get your hand off the Superlaser firing panel.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:42:27pm |
Can I interest you in the teachings of Scientology anarchy?
Irony.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:42:57pm |
Yay!
Schools are closed tomorrow!
Wait...
Why do I care???
Lol.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:43:05pm |
re: #15 brookly red
gang members are not heroes, they are criminals. even if one cuts a platinum album, no good can come from saying any thing else.
hahaha what a buzzkill
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:43:06pm |
re: #157 researchok
Because for us 'older' types, our ideologies and politics are very separate and distinct from our real identity as individuals.
I guess that is what fascinates me the most. My parents have friends across the spectrum. But to pretend that my father, a legal services attorney, or my step-father, a criminal defense attorney, consider their ideologies very separate from their real identity as individuals? It just isn't true. My mother's experience growing up during the 50's and 60's as a woman, which turned her into an ardent feminist? It is a part of her real identity.
I arrived here form a link at a liberal/feminist site. I like it better here because liberal sites are...annoying. I'm glad the internet widened my range.
In the real world (meat space?) I have friends with wildly different ideologies than me. Libertarians to far leftists to military conservatives (a lot of overlap among these groups). I have been more polite when dealing with disagreements in the real world. But that is the only difference.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:43:20pm |
re: #171 Gus 802
Yeah. And the punchline is that the source is an atheist. Who dem figureds. I've seen this kind of stuff from atheists before though. It's like some sub-religion they latch onto. But I've seen this before. The two atheists I follow on Youtube seem to worship Julian Assange. Of course being an atheist I can see their own brand religiousness.
Righteousness, piety and a cause.
Please, hold me back.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:43:24pm |
re: #175 Gus 802
Can I interest you in
the teachings of Scientologyanarchy?Irony.
At least Anarchy doesn't cost you over a quarter of a million dollars to tell you how an evil alien was sealed inside a volcanoe and then blasted with H-bombs a couple thousand years ago...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:43:37pm |
re: #172 reine.de.tout
Ah, that's the stuff.
I'll make another feminine hygiene related joke the next time I need a good spanking.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:43:55pm |
re: #9 brookly red
I am skeptical. I live in the inner city & I see way too many examples of criminals being glorified... especially in the entertainment industry. As I said we shall see.
he's a damn movie star, dude!
he's been a movie star for years!
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:44:04pm |
re: #180 jamesfirecat
At least Anarchy doesn't cost you over a quarter of a million dollars to tell you how an evil alien was sealed inside a volcanoe and then blasted with H-bombs a couple thousand years ago...
But!
It can!
Anarchy rocks!
Anything goes!
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:44:28pm |
re: #180 jamesfirecat
At least Anarchy doesn't cost you over a quarter of a million dollars to tell you how an evil alien was sealed inside a volcanoe and then blasted with H-bombs a couple thousand years ago...
Sure it does. Well, not the volcano part. It costs at least 1/4 million dollars to bail out the anarchists from jail. ;)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:44:29pm |
you know I heard once that Ozzy Ozborne was arrested for peeing on the alamo
that's it can't listen to sabbath
lol
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:44:55pm |
re: #173 Varek Raith
Methinks you are screwed!
Hell, I consider myself lucky for getting the spanking, but I don't think I'm gonna get that lucky.
/:P
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:45:13pm |
re: #183 Varek Raith
But!
It can!
Anarchy rocks!
Anything goes!
You'll look cool and it might get you laid!
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:45:35pm |
re: #186 Slumbering Behemoth
Hell, I consider myself lucky for getting the spanking, but I don't think I'm gonna get that lucky.
/:P
DIVE! DIVE! ALL HANDS BRACE FOR IMPACT!!!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:46:07pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:46:30pm |
re: #157 researchok
y? Because for us 'older' types, our ideologies and politics are very separate and distinct from our real identity as individuals.
being an artist, my ideology revolves around free speech, self-expression, human rights and of course art.
it's pretty hard to separate me from my own personality, that just seems illogical to me :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:46:55pm |
re: #183 Varek Raith
But!
It can!
Anarchy rocks!
Anything goes!
nothing is true everything is permitted
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:46:59pm |
re: #189 reine.de.tout
er, you're correct.
good grief, what's happened to yer manners?
SB's Passive Defense Grid abandoned him long ago!
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:47:13pm |
re: #179 researchok
Righteousness, piety and a cause.
Please, hold me back.
There is only one way to righteousness and it is MY way! Refute that and I won't serve you that double latte when I'm working the counter at the coffee shop.
//
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:47:30pm |
re: #187 Gus 802
You'll look cool and it might get you laid!
it's amazing how much amazing music comes from this simple motivation
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:47:55pm |
re: #193 Gus 802
There is only one way to righteousness and it is MY way! Refute that and I won't serve you that double latte when I'm working the counter at the coffee shop.
//
the only way to righteousness is being up front in the pit
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:47:56pm |
re: #178 sizzleRI
I got here from Screw Loose Change if I remember correctly.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:48:20pm |
re: #189 reine.de.tout
Just joshing around. I'll cut it out.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:48:21pm |
re: #183 Varek Raith
But!
It can!
Anarchy rocks!
Anything goes!
No force, though. And downdings are a tool of the Man.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:48:27pm |
re: #190 WindUpBird
being an artist, my ideology revolves around free speech, self-expression, human rights and of course art.
it's pretty hard to separate me from my own personality, that just seems illogical to me :D
Then why does it seem to be expected of religious folks?
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:48:38pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:49:11pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:49:11pm |
re: #197 sizzleRI
Is there any greater motive?
it's hard to argue with!
I'm boring and attached now though! Guess it'll just have to be rock and roll for its own sake.
Someone find the bottle opener, i want to play drop-C death metal riffs for a few hours
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:49:16pm |
re: #194 WindUpBird
it's amazing how much amazing music comes from this simple motivation
From country music to classical.
"Mr. Beethoven, why did you write music?"
"To get the ladies."
//
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:49:35pm |
re: #201 reine.de.tout
Then why does it seem to be expected of religious folks?
You make a good point.
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:49:43pm |
re: #190 WindUpBird
being an artist, my ideology revolves around free speech, self-expression, human rights and of course art.
it's pretty hard to separate me from my own personality, that just seems illogical to me :D
I can tell from your art that you love to...uh...express that a lot.
D:
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:49:59pm |
re: #205 Gus 802
From country music to classical.
"Mr. Beethoven, why did you write music?"
"To get the ladies."
//
yes *_*
speaking of country, found this clever banjo player at Steamcon, he is way cool: [Link: www.curtiseller.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:50:09pm |
re: #207 laZardo
I can tell from your art that you love to...uh...express that a lot.
D:
It's all I know :)
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:50:23pm |
re: #201 reine.de.tout
The whole "arbiters of morality" thing, mostly.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:50:29pm |
re: #204 WindUpBird
it's hard to argue with!
I'm boring and attached now though! Guess it'll just have to be rock and roll for its own sake.
Someone find the bottle opener, i want to play drop-C death metal riffs for a few hours
What do you plan to be drinking?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:50:32pm |
re: #207 laZardo
wait until you hear the soundtrack
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:50:43pm |
re: #178 sizzleRI
Because for us 'older' types, our ideologies and politics are very separate and distinct from our real identity as individuals.I guess that is what fascinates me the most. My parents have friends across the spectrum. But to pretend that my father, a legal services attorney, or my step-father, a criminal defense attorney, consider their ideologies very separate from their real identity as individuals? It just isn't true. My mother's experience growing up during the 50's and 60's as a woman, which turned her into an ardent feminist? It is a part of her real identity.
I arrived here form a link at a liberal/feminist site. I like it better here because liberal sites are...annoying. I'm glad the internet widened my range.
In the real world (meat space?) I have friends with wildly different ideologies than me. Libertarians to far leftists to military conservatives (a lot of overlap among these groups). I have been more polite when dealing with disagreements in the real world. But that is the only difference.
Well, I don't know your parents so I can't comment. That said, growing up in the 50's and 60's (post war baby boomers) saddled them with other baggage. The baby boomers are a whole other conversation.
Still, if your perceptions are accurate, you are an outlier.
The web is replete with legendary flame wars, obsessive lunatics and other assorted whack jobs that have an outlet and groups of similarly minded obsessive whack jobs.
Again, what you are describing are outlier behaviors (that is, having friends across the a wide political/ideological spectrum.
Most younger people today relate only to similar types. Facebook, Twitter, et al, are all cultural examples of that.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:50:54pm |
re: #204 WindUpBird
Being attached you can yearn for the single days of selling yourself as cool to get laid. Forgetting of course that when single? It doesn't always roll that way.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:52:06pm |
re: #211 Dark_Falcon
What do you plan to be drinking?
Already drinking it, Blue heron pale ale
Not too strong, just a nice balanced Oregon pale ale: [Link: www.ratebeer.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:53:19pm |
re: #214 sizzleRI
Being attached you can yearn for the single days of selling yourself as cool to get laid. Forgetting of course that when single? It doesn't always roll that way.
yes *_*
I actually have had an experience outside that, I've been attached in some respect since age 14, I've never been without a significant other in 20 years
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:54:05pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:54:12pm |
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:54:25pm |
re: #180 jamesfirecat
At least Anarchy doesn't cost you over a quarter of a million dollars to tell you how an evil alien was sealed inside a volcanoe and then blasted with H-bombs a couple thousand years ago...
Of course I didn't mean that Scientology was "good". I was speaking to the obsession that some people take to their political ideologies. Frankly I find it to be rather counter intuitive to anarchy which I largely see as libertarianism on steroids. But the libertarians are almost the same in their self righteousness and evangelical intensity.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:55:32pm |
re: #222 Gus 802
Burn the house down man! That'll teach 'em.
Too subtle.
Chuck a 5 megaton device at it.
That'll learn it!
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:55:40pm |
re: #219 Slumbering Behemoth
i knew i never should have let sid vicious move in with me then put him in charge of the damn gas bill
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:56:26pm |
re: #213 researchok
Well, I don't know your parents so I can't comment. That said, growing up in the 50's and 60's (post war baby boomers) saddled them with other baggage. The baby boomers are a whole other conversation.
Still, if your perceptions are accurate, you are an outlier.
The web is replete with legendary flame wars, obsessive lunatics and other assorted whack jobs that have an outlet and groups of similarly minded obsessive whack jobs.
Again, what you are describing are outlier behaviors (that is, having friends across the a wide political/ideological spectrum.
Most younger people today relate only to similar types. Facebook, Twitter, et al, are all cultural examples of that.
I tend to be close friends with similar types simply because it's hard for my interests to mesh otherwise. But similar has many axes. I sit at home and draw weird crap, I go to cons and AM weird crap, or I go drinking, or I play music. One of those things sorta needs to be a shared interest! I have many conservative friends, but they're WEEEEIRDO conservatives. I have some older friends, but they have fandom or music interests that are similar. or they're drunk health care workers. I know a few of those :D
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:56:28pm |
re: #221 jaunte
i looked inside and i don't see any green, blue or red dots anywhere
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:56:46pm |
re: #213 researchok
Its kind of funny.My parents are kind of weird for baby boomers. My stepfather graduated form Yale and then was the only one of the 5 ROTC members in his class to go into the army instead of taking the deferral. So we're pretty pro-military for liberals. My dad describes his progression as "I was always pretty moderate, I wasn't in the streets protesting. I knew there were welfare cheats and tax cheats so I couldn't accept all the super liberal pro-union rhetoric. And then Reagan was elected and I was Che Guevara. WTF?"
The web is replete with legendary flame wars, obsessive lunatics and other assorted whack jobs that have an outlet and groups of similarly minded obsessive whack jobs.
Seriously. Ever seen a breastfeeding vs. bottlefeeding thread? I am not kidding. Th worst flame wars ever.
Maybe I am a little older than you think. I'm 27. My generation is not completely facebooked and twittered. And most of us have a wide range of opinions and friends with differing opinions. It really is not that unusual.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:56:56pm |
re: #224 SpaceJesus
i knew i never should have let sid vicious move in with me then put him in charge of the damn gas bill
well, they unplugged his bass, maybe he's retaliating
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:57:03pm |
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Interesting Times Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:57:15pm |
re: #217 WindUpBird
On another note, is windsagio planning to come back here at any point? Just curious (it crossed my mind when someone else asked you about him a few days ago)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:57:40pm |
re: #227 sizzleRI
the axis of whatever you call it, the political axis shifted on your dad. The overtton window? is that it?
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:57:53pm |
re: #227 sizzleRI
Same age as me.
I don't have a cell phone.
I don't have any social network accounts.
I check my email twice a month...
GET OFF MY LAWN!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:58:05pm |
re: #210 laZardo
The whole "arbiters of morality" thing, mostly.
So - if certain ultra-religious folks are expected to keep their faith separate from their politics as regards morality - then morality is left up to - who? If it isn't desirable for morality to be arbitrated by religious folks, why would it OK for it be arbitrated by someone else?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:58:32pm |
re: #230 publicityStunted
On another note, is windsagio planning to come back here at any point? Just curious (it crossed my mind when someone else asked you about him a few days ago)
I honestly don't know. He may have sorta checked out of the internet for a while. He hangs out on a forum for games that he's enjoying, but I think he's got a lot on his plate right now
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:58:37pm |
re: #227 sizzleRI
Maybe I am a little older than you think. I'm 27. My generation is not completely facebooked and twittered. And most of us have a wide range of opinions and friends with differing opinions. It really is not that unusual.
Oh good. I'm still the youngest active Lizard here. :D
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:58:44pm |
re: #227 sizzleRI
The web is replete with legendary flame wars, obsessive lunatics and other assorted whack jobs that have an outlet and groups of similarly minded obsessive whack jobs.Seriously. Ever seen a breastfeeding vs. bottlefeeding thread? I am not kidding. Th worst flame wars ever.
.
I can see that. Essentially, it's the question of "Are you a good mommy?" That might get a little emotional.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:59:02pm |
re: #215 SpaceJesus
why is my heater not working
Isn't there a fallen angel somewhere that can help you with the whole heat thing?
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:59:08pm |
re: #190 WindUpBird
being an artist, my ideology revolves around free speech, self-expression, human rights and of course art.
it's pretty hard to separate me from my own personality, that just seems illogical to me :D
No, my point is more nuanced.
Let me explain by way of example. When the School of Paris stars were 'starving' and perfecting their art, they deliberately went to study/learn from artists who very different from themselves. Further, they embraced a wide spectrum of the politics du jour, if for no other reason so that they might better understand the human condition. Today, that is far less common.
I read an interview Picasso gave in the 60's, I believe. They asked him when he became 'Picasso'.
He replied he spent decades learning how to copy the masters and their styles. When he mastered that he said, he found his own creativity.
The lesson is of course, profound on many levels.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:59:10pm |
re: #236 laZardo
Oh good. I'm still the youngest active Lizard here. :D
TURN DOWN THAT ROCK AND OR ROLL!
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:59:31pm |
OK I'm drinking tonight. So if I sound a little extra weird it's the liquor.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 8:59:31pm |
re: #231 WindUpBird
1980. Reagan elected. He was in first year of law school at Pepperdine. Oh yeah did it change.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:00:09pm |
re: #241 Gus 802
OK I'm drinking tonight. So if I sound a little extra weird it's the liquor.
Shit.
I don't have an excuse for my weirdness.
;)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:00:14pm |
re: #234 Gus 802
WUB has conservative friends!
Woot!
//
They're furries that are my age. :-) One of them was a big Ron paul guy, and is now sort of "well, the GOP sucks, and Ron Paul sucks, so I guess I'm done." he's very conservative, but he's the exact opposite of normal GOP. he's more of a "I don't like Obama, because he's Bush's third term, and I hated Bush." And he'll never vote dem. And he gives me the most innnnteresting art projects *_*
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Stanghazi Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:00:42pm |
re: #237 EmmmieG
I can see that. Essentially, it's the question of "Are you a good mommy?" That might get a little emotional.
And I guess I'll take that as a perfect segue, must check out these photos making their way around the web
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:00:44pm |
re: #227 sizzleRI
Its kind of funny.My parents are kind of weird for baby boomers. My stepfather graduated form Yale and then was the only one of the 5 ROTC members in his class to go into the army instead of taking the deferral. So we're pretty pro-military for liberals. My dad describes his progression as "I was always pretty moderate, I wasn't in the streets protesting. I knew there were welfare cheats and tax cheats so I couldn't accept all the super liberal pro-union rhetoric. And then Reagan was elected and I was Che Guevara. WTF?"
The web is replete with legendary flame wars, obsessive lunatics and other assorted whack jobs that have an outlet and groups of similarly minded obsessive whack jobs.
Seriously. Ever seen a breastfeeding vs. bottlefeeding thread? I am not kidding. Th worst flame wars ever.
Maybe I am a little older than you think. I'm 27. My generation is not completely facebooked and twittered. And most of us have a wide range of opinions and friends with differing opinions. It really is not that unusual.
Good comment- and whether you believe it or not, you and your circle are outliers. No kidding.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:00:47pm |
re: #241 Gus 802
OK I'm drinking tonight. So if I sound a little extra weird it's the liquor.
OK.
Shall someone give you a warning if it's time to log off?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:01:10pm |
OT:
The tax bill has passed.
That is all, carry on.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:01:17pm |
re: #237 EmmmieG
Yup. But it gets so intense. Bottle feeders are feeding their kids poison. Breastfeeding is for cows?? Only flame wars that compare are breeders vs. non-breeders.
And of course PC vs. Mac. With that dude always coming in at some point to preach Linux.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:01:20pm |
re: #241 Gus 802
OK I'm drinking tonight. So if I sound a little extra weird it's the liquor.
Resist the impulse to try anything with a chainsaw.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:01:30pm |
re: #247 reine.de.tout
OK.
Shall someone give you a warning if it's time to log off?
Sure. If I get jerky. But I'll fall asleep before that.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:01:54pm |
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:02:01pm |
re: #250 jaunte
Resist the impulse to try anything with a chainsaw.
Come on kids let's go for a drive!
//
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:02:06pm |
re: #241 Gus 802
OK I'm drinking tonight. So if I sound a little extra weird it's the liquor.
I wondered from which bottle the atheist emerged.
//
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:02:37pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:02:38pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:02:56pm |
re: #241 Gus 802
Oh goody. I like Drunk Gus. Which reminds me, gotta get to work on Drunk Behemoth. BRB.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:03:46pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:03:46pm |
re: #239 researchok
No, my point is more nuanced.
Let me explain by way of example. When the School of Paris stars were 'starving' and perfecting their art, they deliberately went to study/learn from artists who very different from themselves. Further, they embraced a wide spectrum of the politics du jour, if for no other reason so that they might better understand the human condition. Today, that is far less common.
I read an interview Picasso gave in the 60's, I believe. They asked him when he became 'Picasso'.
He replied he spent decades learning how to copy the masters and their styles. When he mastered that he said, he found his own creativity.
The lesson is of course, profound on many levels.
You're talking about political incest!
And you're 100% right. And Picasso is right, and that's basically what i'm doing. i'm no picasso, but I spent years doing portraits, still lifes, figures from life, checking out old masters, oil glazing techniques, the cubists, russian constructivism, 80's fetish art, Bakshgi films, vermeer's camera obscura bloom, old movies that had lighting I liked, anything that sorta was a thing that could go into the mix. Stuff I didn't like per se but had bits I needed to see.
people isolate themselves from ideas, they become smaller-minded and fanatical.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:04:14pm |
re: #241 Gus 802
OK I'm drinking tonight. So if I sound a little extra weird it's the liquor.
Three beers down for me
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mich-again Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:04:17pm |
My liberal friends think I'm too conservative. My conservative friends think I'm too liberal. Maybe its just that I like to play devil's advocate when they start talking politics. Nothing is as ever as simple as it seems to an ideologue.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:04:35pm |
re: #249 sizzleRI
Yup. But it gets so intense. Bottle feeders are feeding their kids poison. Breastfeeding is for cows?? Only flame wars that compare are breeders vs. non-breeders.
And of course PC vs. Mac. With that dude always coming in at some point to preach Linux.
And then you have the women who wanted to breast feed and couldn't.
guiltguiltguiltguiltguilt
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:05:08pm |
re: #261 WindUpBird
Three beers down for me
Whiskey here. I lost count. At least 6 shots methinks. I have to really concentrate on the typing.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:05:08pm |
I have probably made more than my fair share of a mess tonight so I'm off to dream of frogs and unicorns.
Namaste, Y'all
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:05:14pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:05:23pm |
re: #250 jaunte
Resist the impulse to try anything with a chainsaw.
At least until I make it back from my beer run and dig out my video camera.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:05:41pm |
re: #265 Killgore Trout
I have probably made more than my fair share of a mess tonight so I'm off to dream of frogs and unicorns.
Namaste, Y'all
What? You can't leave now!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:05:41pm |
re: #249 sizzleRI
Yup. But it gets so intense. Bottle feeders are feeding their kids poison. Breastfeeding is for cows?? Only flame wars that compare are breeders vs. non-breeders.
And of course PC vs. Mac. With that dude always coming in at some point to preach Linux.
I'm PC, Fozzy is the linux guy :D
(I used to be an Atari guy)
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:05:45pm |
re: #255 jaunte
Hold my beer and watch this!
hehe.
Man bets his 60 inch TV on a football game - loses- invites friends over to shoot the TV.
I suspect had been drinking a beer or two or 12 when he made the bet.
And after his friends shot up the TV.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:06:35pm |
re: #264 Gus 802
Whiskey here. I lost count. At least 6 shots methinks. I have to really concentrate on the typing.
You are DRINKING DRINKING
Also I'm going to apologize now for being jerky around that whole lanzman thing, I was sorta being zingy and I think i got too mean
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:06:42pm |
re: #249 sizzleRI
Yup. But it gets so intense. Bottle feeders are feeding their kids poison. Breastfeeding is for cows?? Only flame wars that compare are breeders vs. non-breeders.
And of course PC vs. Mac. With that dude always coming in at some point to preach Linux.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:06:54pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:07:23pm |
re: #270 reine.de.tout
hehe.
Man bets his 60 inch TV on a football game - loses- invites friends over to shoot the TV.I suspect had been drinking a beer or two or 12 when he made the bet.
And after his friends shot up the TV.
ayieee
I don't understaaaaand gambling
I guess I do if it's sort of a "loser has to do something embarrassing" but man, $$$ :(
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:07:26pm |
re: #246 researchok
It wouldn't be the first time I was an outlier. I can accept that.
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mich-again Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:07:31pm |
What do you call a guy that likes to hang out with musicians?
The drummer.
Hey-oh!
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:07:45pm |
re: #273 WindUpBird
You are DRINKING DRINKING
Also I'm going to apologize now for being jerky around that whole lanzman thing, I was sorta being zingy and I think i got too mean
Well damn WUB. Thanks. I really appreciate you saying that.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:07:59pm |
re: #274 Varek Raith
I'm PC because I have to be. I just have too much shit that I need the Windows for! :D
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:08:12pm |
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:08:37pm |
re: #233 reine.de.tout
So - if certain ultra-religious folks are expected to keep their faith separate from their politics as regards morality - then morality is left up to - who? If it isn't desirable for morality to be arbitrated by religious folks, why would it OK for it be arbitrated by someone else?
Morality should be arbitrated in the private sphere by people close to us (e.g. relatives and friends) but should ultimately guide a person into their maturity, as imperfect as that process is. It is not the responsibility of the government, and especially not the responsibility of those conservative fundamentalists that think that arbitrating morality from the congressional podium is the only way to SAEV DIS NATION.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:08:45pm |
re: #278 mich-again
What do you call a guy that likes to hang out with musicians?
The drummer.Hey-oh!
Thank god I can play other instruments, haha
I was the frontman from behind the kit for my old band, simply because I refused to be ignored, had a headset mic and everything
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:09:24pm |
re: #238 reine.de.tout
Ah yes, Lucifer. Once his show is over on Fox I'll give him a ring on the space phone
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:10:03pm |
re: #260 WindUpBird
people isolate themselves from ideas, they become smaller-minded and fanatical.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:11:29pm |
re: #279 Gus 802
Well damn WUB. Thanks. I really appreciate you saying that.
If I made you feel bad, that was totally not my intent, i was just sorta snark overdrive. :P That lanzman guy, though, i looked at his blog first! And he had all this shit about the mohammed drawings, and a lot of blah blah talking points and had one of his own, and then i just teed off on him
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:12:40pm |
re: #263 EmmmieG
That is why the debate is so stupid. And cruel. How can you ever know what someone else has gone through? Especially with something like mothering. So many mothers, in fact most, are really doing all they can to take care of their children. That is why to me the debate is so bizarre. I don't think choosing to bottlefeed makes a mother wrong. But having to do it because you can't breastfeed and want to? There is already enough guilt.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:12:50pm |
re: #282 laZardo
Morality should be arbitrated in the private sphere by people close to us (e.g. relatives and friends) but should ultimately guide a person into their maturity, as imperfect as that process is. It is not the responsibility of the government, and especially not the responsibility of those conservative fundamentalists that think that arbitrating morality from the congressional podium is the only way to SAEV DIS NATION.
Well, I agree.
But that requires a parting of the ways between who you are at your core and what you will support, ideologically in the political sphere.
If it's expected that ultra-religious folks will engage in that separation (and I think it must be done), then why wouldn't we expect it also from those who are non-religious? That at some point, they will have to separate some piece of themselves, some deep belief they hold, from what they will support ideologically in politics? If we expect religious folks to do it, why wouldn't we expect non-religous folks to do it, also?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:13:42pm |
re: #279 Gus 802
Well damn WUB. Thanks. I really appreciate you saying that.
I think I play on the internet like guys who throw elbows in a tough basketball game? I sorta get hot, and then cool down, and then get hot again. Competitive, ego, I dunno, I've always been this way. i was 14 on BBSes, acting exactly the same :P
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mich-again Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:13:47pm |
re: #283 WindUpBird
No offense.. Just an example of the back and forth banter that bounces around with the bar band I play in. Which reminds me I need some fresh material for tomorrow night. hmm. Not really much fun picking on the bass player. Always gotta explain the joke to him after..
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:14:00pm |
re: #241 Gus 802
OK I'm drinking tonight. So if I sound a little extra weird it's the liquor.
911..what is your emergency?
I've been drinking...
Sir?
I've been blogging...
Sir?
I hate the Gieco dude trying to sell me car insurance
Sir? Have you been drinking?
Are you effen deaf?
Sir?
What is your emergency?
What is your problem..I hate the little Gieco guy..
Sir?
I hate lizards!
This is 911..what is your emergency?
I have a suitcase nuclear bomb and I'm going to kill that little SOB Lizard
Sir?
Hold on..There are lights in front of my house
Stay on the line sir...
911..what is your emergency?
You are deaf aren't you...Hold on..Swat is knocking on my door..
Hello?
*crash* I hate that little bastard lizard!
Sir?
Sir?
//
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:14:39pm |
re: #260 WindUpBird
You're talking about political incest!
And you're 100% right. And Picasso is right, and that's basically what i'm doing. i'm no picasso, but I spent years doing portraits, still lifes, figures from life, checking out old masters, oil glazing techniques, the cubists, russian constructivism, 80's fetish art, Bakshgi films, vermeer's camera obscura bloom, old movies that had lighting I liked, anything that sorta was a thing that could go into the mix. Stuff I didn't like per se but had bits I needed to see.
people isolate themselves from ideas, they become smaller-minded and fanatical.
Three point swish.
And you too are an outlier. And that is why you and sizzle are really here at LGF. And that's why most of the lizards are here- we are outliers as well.
No matter how upset, angry, rigid, etc., anyone here might be at times- at those who are 180 degrees from where each of us might be politically or ideologically, we come here because we can learn something.
We might bash, kick or scream but at the end of the day we leave here just a bit smarter. We may not even admit that, but it's true. If we wanted a choir, we'd be elsewhere.
I became much more centrist since I've been here. When the change here occurred, I stayed.
I suspect (whether you care to admit or not!) some people here have rung your bell a few times as well. That happens to me pretty often, i'm happy to say. I hope you can say the same.
And that's a damn good thing.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:14:59pm |
re: #227 sizzleRI
I bet i could find an amazing flamewar about whether you should declaw your cats (I do NOT)
it's interesting, the flamewars about specific stuff like that. Music flamewars being especially fragrant
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:15:17pm |
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:15:21pm |
re: #287 WindUpBird
If I made you feel bad, that was totally not my intent, i was just sorta snark overdrive. :P That lanzman guy, though, i looked at his blog first! And he had all this shit about the mohammed drawings, and a lot of blah blah talking points and had one of his own, and then i just teed off on him
I know I saw that. I'm still all verklempt about the mandate thing since I already owe everybody and their uncle. I was a bit jumpy too that day. Making the bottom ten like that was my low point at LGF so I guess I got a little steamed that day too. To be honest I didn't help either. Someone said I was emotional and if you want to know the truth, he was right.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:15:30pm |
re: #291 mich-again
No offense.. Just an example of the back and forth banter that bounces around with the bar band I play in. Which reminds me I need some fresh material for tomorrow night. hmm. Not really much fun picking on the bass player. Always gotta explain the joke to him after..
nono, i'm used to it :D I'm aware, and it frustrated me that i couldn't write music, so I started learning other instruments :D
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:16:01pm |
I got the most wonderful book, "Insults and Comebacks".
I can't wait for the occasion to use this one:
"If brains were taxed, you'd get a rebate".
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:16:18pm |
re: #275 reine.de.tout
Whats tha the silly song?
We enjoyed the party pooper, that's why we invited you..."
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:16:30pm |
re: #298 Gus 802
I know I saw that. I'm still all verklempt about the mandate thing since I already owe everybody and their uncle. I was a bit jumpy too that day. Making the bottom ten like that was my low point at LGF so I guess I got a little steamed that day too. To be honest I didn't help either. Someone said I was emotional and if you want to know the truth, he was right.
Assange really soured my attitude this past week or so.
Who do I sue?!
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:16:57pm |
re: #303 Varek Raith
Assange really soured my attitude this past week or so.
Who do I sue?!
Barrett Brown!
Who else.
/// /// ///
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:17:36pm |
re: #304 Gus 802
Barrett Brown!
Who else.
/// /// ///
We'll have to put together some resources for him to use.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:18:34pm |
re: #298 Gus 802
I know I saw that. I'm still all verklempt about the mandate thing since I already owe everybody and their uncle. I was a bit jumpy too that day. Making the bottom ten like that was my low point at LGF so I guess I got a little steamed that day too. To be honest I didn't help either. Someone said I was emotional and if you want to know the truth, he was right.
The mandate IS a tough notion, it really does suck. it's like there's no good solution available, the mandate sucks, and it's the only thing that can possibly work politically. I'm for it, but I'm for it with the caveat that I assume that it'll get better. Like how Social security didn't cover black people at first. being in health care as long as I was, some pressure needs to be exerted to level the system out so it can at least start to make sense.
Also, you haven't beaten my worst moment! i think I was downdinged like -28 for something I said once. :D Don't take it personally, people ding for anything. I do. I am liberal (lol) with the dinger. If something makes me roll my eyes, I ding it down. it's my nature to manipulate the toys I have access to *_*
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:19:11pm |
re: #266 Mr Pancakes
Go Rams!
I want the Rams to reach the NFC Championship game. And once there I want them to lose a close game to the Chicago Bears.
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mich-again Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:19:16pm |
re: #300 reine.de.tout
"If brains were taxed, you'd get a rebate".
Or this one.. If you ever had an original thought, it would die of lonliness.
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:19:31pm |
re: #289 reine.de.tout
Well, I agree.
But that requires a parting of the ways between who you are at your core and what you will support, ideologically in the political sphere.
If it's expected that ultra-religious folks will engage in that separation (and I think it must be done), then why wouldn't we expect it also from those who are non-religious? That at some point, they will have to separate some piece of themselves, some deep belief they hold, from what they will support ideologically in politics? If we expect religious folks to do it, why wouldn't we expect non-religous folks to do it, also?
Because non-religious folks try to do it for everyone, not just their preferred sect.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:19:54pm |
re: #298 Gus 802
and I've been emotional! I'm USUALLy emotional on here. Obdicut has had to get me to chill out more than once, Slumbering Behemoth got me in a week moment and then I went all walnuts on him and that was awful of me.
Thank god I don't drive like I argue, there'd just be an overturned car on fire and one wheel rolling down the interstate
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:20:14pm |
re: #308 mich-again
Or this one.. If you ever had an original thought, it would die of lonliness.
Or this one:
You're like one of those "idiots savants", only without the 'savant" part.
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:20:29pm |
re: #309 laZardo
Because non-religious folks try to do it for everyone, not just their preferred sect.
Well, everyone or themselves directly depending on the level of corruption. q;
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:20:35pm |
re: #293 researchok
Oh i am an outlier in many many ways, I'm finding out. o_o
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:20:37pm |
re: #298 Gus 802
I know I saw that. I'm still all verklempt about the mandate thing since I already owe everybody and their uncle. I was a bit jumpy too that day. Making the bottom ten like that was my low point at LGF so I guess I got a little steamed that day too. To be honest I didn't help either. Someone said I was emotional and if you want to know the truth, he was right.
Slap... slap... slap... snap out of it Gus... you're slipping away again... here... have another cup of coffee... that's it boy... don't leave us yet.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:21:51pm |
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:22:10pm |
re: #294 SpaceJesus
FUCKING SNOW
The white, cold, crunchy stuff that falls from the sky or the nose candy?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:22:59pm |
Random insults - put 'em in your memory 'til you need 'em:
I don't know what makes you so dumb, but it really works.
If you spoke your mind, you'd be speechless.
If you were any smarter, I could teach you to fetch.
Brains aren't everything; in fact, in your case, they're nothing.
Most people live and learn. You just live.
The good news is you look like you should be respected. The bad news is you're not.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:23:08pm |
re: #314 Walter L. Newton
Slap... slap... slap... snap out of it Gus... you're slipping away again... here... have another cup of coffee... that's it boy... don't leave us yet.
I'm slipping into and out of consciousness. Coffee? I read about that in history books and magazines. What is this thing, called coffee?
You know what I had this morning? Some floral tea. While I was drinking it I though "hmm, this thing might kill me."
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:23:10pm |
re: #293 researchok
Three point swish.
And you too are an outlier. And that is why you and sizzle are really here at LGF. And that's why most of the lizards are here- we are outliers as well.
No matter how upset, angry, rigid, etc., anyone here might be at times- at those who are 180 degrees from where each of us might be politically or ideologically, we come here because we can learn something.
We might bash, kick or scream but at the end of the day we leave here just a bit smarter. We may not even admit that, but it's true. If we wanted a choir, we'd be elsewhere.
I became much more centrist since I've been here. When the change here occurred, I stayed.
I suspect (whether you care to admit or not!) some people here have rung your bell a few times as well. That happens to me pretty often, i'm happy to say. I hope you can say the same.
And that's a damn good thing.
What the fuck is going on here? I leave for 6 hours to make a few bucks at work, and I come back to a blubbering hug circle.
Who the hell is throwing all the pixie dust around here tonight?
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:24:11pm |
re: #321 Walter L. Newton
What the fuck is going on here? I leave for 6 hours to make a few bucks at work, and I come back to a blubbering hug circle.
Who the hell is throwing all the pixie dust around here tonight?
*Hits Walter with a drum. Goes back to drum circle*
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:24:21pm |
re: #321 Walter L. Newton
What the fuck is going on here? I leave for 6 hours to make a few bucks at work, and I come back to a blubbering hug circle.
Who the hell is throwing all the pixie dust around here tonight?
Now, Walter - if you need few random insults, here they are:
re: #319 reine.de.tout
Random insults - put 'em in your memory 'til you need 'em:
I don't know what makes you so dumb, but it really works.
If you spoke your mind, you'd be speechless.
If you were any smarter, I could teach you to fetch.
Brains aren't everything; in fact, in your case, they're nothing.
Most people live and learn. You just live.
The good news is you look like you should be respected. The bad news is you're not.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:24:22pm |
re: #296 WindUpBird
Declawing cats? Are you kidding? That could get soooooo nasty. How dare you endanger your animals by letting them go outdoors at all.How dare you deny them the outdoors. They need their claws! They don't! What about cats that are born with no claws at all? How do you feel about claw implants?
Actually music and art are the best flame wars of all. So subjective, so emotional. So wonderful to observe.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:24:39pm |
re: #321 Walter L. Newton
What the fuck is going on here? I leave for 6 hours to make a few bucks at work, and I come back to a blubbering hug circle.
Who the hell is throwing all the pixie dust around here tonight?
Me. And WUB. And Researchok. And Reine. And Varek.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:24:45pm |
re: #293 researchok
I suspect (whether you care to admit or not!) some people here have rung your bell a few times as well. That happens to me pretty often, i'm happy to say. I hope you can say the same.And that's a damn good thing.
My bell is often being hit *_* My politics were sorta gaining momentum away from liberal and more towards "guy who votes democrat but rubs his temples about crazy left wing shit" which makes me my dad, I suppose. I knew I was apart from a lot of my friends when they were like IMPEACH BUSH and I was like "come on guys. I don't like him, but he's the president. Will you all just TAKE IT EASY?!?!?"
often when i really get served it's because I either A) am pissed off for other reasons and I'm mean for no good reason, or get sloppy or B) my facts are wrong.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:25:07pm |
re: #304 Gus 802
Barrett Brown!
Who else.
/// /// ///
Easy win, Barrett doesn't hire lawyers anymore.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:25:21pm |
re: #317 researchok
See my 293 in case you missed it.
Also, my top post tomorrow is for you.
long reply! just made it :D
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:25:24pm |
re: #315 sizzleRI
Oh goodness. I have to agree.
Oh yeah- I mean why else would we put up with the craziness?
Seriously, this is why LGF works- we're all freakin' outliers.
I promise you 15 minutes on KOS or DU and you'll be pulling your hair out- and those are guys on your team!
If I go to newsmax once a month, it's a lot. I can't take it. I feel about them the way Gus feels about TV.
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mich-again Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:25:29pm |
re: #319 reine.de.tout
If I throw a stick will you go away?
How can I miss you if you won't leave?
Your nose is so big you could smoke a cigar in the shower.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:26:01pm |
re: #313 WindUpBird
Oh i am an outlier in many many ways, I'm finding out. o_o
No shit, Sherlock.
//
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:26:34pm |
re: #322 Varek Raith
*Hits Walter with a drum. Goes back to drum circle*
[turns drum upside down and brings it down on Varek's head]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:27:17pm |
re: #317 researchok
See my 293 in case you missed it.
Also, my top post tomorrow is for you.
Also, i'm incredibly defensive about gay politics mostly for a very simple reason: i'm afraid for kids that are gay in school, and how a hostile culture re: gay rights will make their lives miserable, or end them outright through hopelessness and suicide. Cuz it almost happened to folks I know. All politics is local.
So whenever I go GRRRRRRR about gay rights, it's all coming from there.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:27:31pm |
re: #332 Dark_Falcon
[turns drum upside down and brings it down on Varek's head]
That's it... keep it going...
I kick my drum across the clearing and it smacks Gus right between his beady little eyes.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:27:44pm |
re: #321 Walter L. Newton
What the fuck is going on here? I leave for 6 hours to make a few bucks at work, and I come back to a blubbering hug circle.
Who the hell is throwing all the pixie dust around here tonight?
*Passes the doob to Walter.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:27:51pm |
re: #329 researchok
Don't read Kos, DEFINITELY don't read DU
I read Huffpo, but i roll my eyes at the handwringing :D
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:28:09pm |
re: #329 researchok
Oh yeah- I mean why else would we put up with the craziness?
Seriously, this is why LGF works- we're all freakin' outliers.
I promise you 15 minutes on KOS or DU and you'll be pulling your hair out- and those are guys on your team!
If I go to newsmax once a month, it's a lot. I can't take it. I feel about them the way Gus feels about TV.
I used to go to Newsmax almost daily. Then I started going to Huffington Post. Then CNN. Then back to the New York Times.
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mich-again Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:28:24pm |
So tell me, do they sell mens' clothes where you bought that sweater?
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:28:51pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:28:53pm |
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Stanghazi Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:28:54pm |
re: #333 WindUpBird
I am hoping for an epic Saturday vote down on DADT.
Doesn't affect me, but damn I'm going to feel good if it's repealed. THAT will make my party night.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:29:30pm |
re: #321 Walter L. Newton
What the fuck is going on here? I leave for 6 hours to make a few bucks at work, and I come back to a blubbering hug circle.
Who the hell is throwing all the pixie dust around here tonight?
I don't know about you, but my dealer gives me all the pixie dust I need
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:29:49pm |
re: #341 Stanley Sea
I am hoping for an epic Saturday vote down on DADT.
Doesn't affect me, but damn I'm going to feel good if it's repealed. THAT will make my party night.
I'd really like to see it, I think it's a cultural milestone
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:29:52pm |
re: #333 WindUpBird
Also, i'm incredibly defensive about gay politics mostly for a very simple reason: i'm afraid for kids that are gay in school, and how a hostile culture re: gay rights will make their lives miserable, or end them outright through hopelessness and suicide. Cuz it almost happened to folks I know. All politics is local.
So whenever I go GRRR about gay rights, it's all coming from there.
Yeah, I understand that.
That's a whole other conversation.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:29:53pm |
re: #321 Walter L. Newton
Its alright Walter, I'll totally spar with you.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:30:26pm |
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:31:27pm |
re: #337 Gus 802
I used to go to Newsmax almost daily. Then I started going to Huffington Post. Then CNN. Then back to the New York Times.
I go to google news and here.
And Drudge. I like the crazy ass shit he digs up.
And I l really like the red/blue light- a lot. I want more of that.
Bastard has me hooked.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:31:40pm |
re: #345 researchok
Yeah, I understand that.
That's a whole other conversation.
it's a rabbit hole of conversations, it really is
A lot of my politics come from observations of being around misfits with way less power and resources than I have
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mich-again Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:31:55pm |
re: #344 WindUpBird
I'd really like to see it, I think it's a cultural milestone
It will be doubly ego crushing on the jihadis and Fred Phelps when the post-DADT US Military continues to destroy targets.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:31:59pm |
I actually bought a Liz Claiborne men's sweater back in 1986. Damn thing was 100 bucks. White. And I wore it with white pants and a white shirt and drove around in a white GTI smoking those tiny cigars with my hair in a pony tail.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:32:08pm |
re: #337 Gus 802
It's snowing up here. Been snowing lightly almost constantly since 6:00pm, light covering on everything... but roads were not really slippery. It's a champagne powder, so it's real dry... and the roads were already cold, so not much melting.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:32:12pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:32:16pm |
re: #348 researchok
I go to google news and here.
And Drudge. I like the crazy ass shit he digs up.
And I l really like the red/blue light- a lot. I want more of that.
Bastard has me hooked.
Drudge is culture! Sorta tabloid culture, but still culture. Changed cable news entirely.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:32:33pm |
re: #351 Gus 802
I actually bought a Liz Claiborne men's sweater back in 1986. Damn thing was 100 bucks. White. And I wore it with white pants and a white shirt and drove around in a white GTI smoking those tiny cigars with my hair in a pony tail.
did you really have a white GTI? :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:32:54pm |
re: #353 NJDhockeyfan
we can always find peace with music *_*
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:32:57pm |
re: #351 Gus 802
I actually bought a Liz Claiborne men's sweater back in 1986. Damn thing was 100 bucks. White. And I wore it with white pants and a white shirt and drove around in a white GTI smoking those tiny cigars with my hair in a pony tail.
That was you... I though that was Reggie McDaniels :)
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:33:24pm |
re: #355 WindUpBird
did you really have a white GTI? :D
Yeah. No AC though. I sort of trashed it giving somebody the finger though. Then I moved out of New Jersey.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:33:30pm |
re: #336 WindUpBird
Don't read Kos, DEFINITELY don't read DU
I read Huffpo, but i roll my eyes at the handwringing :D
Talk about end days and all that crap.
Some of their bloggers are worse than Jim Bakker
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mich-again Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:33:39pm |
re: #351 Gus 802
I actually bought a Liz Claiborne men's sweater back in 1986. Damn thing was 100 bucks. White. And I wore it with white pants and a white shirt and drove around in a white GTI smoking those tiny cigars with my hair in a pony tail.
My advice.. Never tell that story again Gus. Free pass for this one time. ha
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:34:00pm |
re: #309 laZardo
Because non-religious folks try to do it for everyone, not just their preferred sect.
eh?
That makes no sense in the context of what I asked. Which was: If we expect religious folks to put aside core beliefs, to separate those from what they will support ideologically in the political sphere for the greater good, should we not also expect that non-religious folks will do the same? Why should non-religious folks get to be the "arbiters of morality" (your term earlier) when we're asking the religious folks to stay out of it? Either everybody gets a say, or no one does. It makes no sense to tell one group to stay out of it, while another gets to set the standard for everybody.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:34:05pm |
re: #326 WindUpBird
I knew I was apart from a lot of my friends when they were like IMPEACH BUSH and I was like "come on guys. I don't like him, but he's the president. Will you all just TAKE IT EASY?!?!?"
Too many of those conversations to count. Mine always happened with people who never really paid attention to politics, but they really hated Bush, but for no articulable reason.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:34:36pm |
re: #354 WindUpBird
Drudge is culture! Sorta tabloid culture, but still culture. Changed cable news entirely.
I give the guy credit. I read that he is read by news editors everywhere.
Which proves the blind really do lead the blind.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:34:39pm |
re: #360 mich-again
My advice.. Never tell that story again Gus. Free pass for this one time. ha
Meh. It was during my Miami Vice stage.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:34:44pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:35:42pm |
re: #358 Gus 802
Yeah. No AC though. I sort of trashed it giving somebody the finger though. Then I moved out of New Jersey.
a MK1, right?
I think the only white ones are MK1s and MK5s.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:36:08pm |
re: #362 sizzleRI
I knew I was apart from a lot of my friends when they were like IMPEACH BUSH and I was like "come on guys. I don't like him, but he's the president. Will you all just TAKE IT EASY?!?!?"
Too many of those conversations to count. Mine always happened with people who never really paid attention to politics, but they really hated Bush, but for no articulable reason.
The reason was the talking point- and a brilliant one at that- BusHitler.
There were a lot of sad people when he left office and there were no concentration camps.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:36:18pm |
re: #360 mich-again
My advice.. Never tell that story again Gus. Free pass for this one time. ha
That would be my advice, as well.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:36:42pm |
re: #359 researchok
Talk about end days and all that crap.
Some of their bloggers are worse than Jim Bakker
let me tell you how much I hate quackery and it being on Huff Po
HATE IT
I treat HuffPo like drudge. it aggregates news, it's often full of shit, it's opportunism, but it's still a thing I read
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:37:11pm |
re: #364 Gus 802
Meh. It was during my Miami Vice stage.
That's AWESOME
See, I was a kid looking longingly at all the cars on Miami Vice :D
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:37:25pm |
re: #329 researchok
I promise you 15 minutes on KOS or DU and you'll be pulling your hair out- and those are guys on your team!
That is why I am here. I can't do that. I have never been to democratic underground and only visited KOS a few times. It was all too much. My experience in the "leftysphere" is all feminist sites. They have they're own craziness, but they annoy me less than than KOS or HuffPo.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:37:32pm |
re: #366 WindUpBird
a MK1, right?
I think the only white ones are MK1s and MK5s.
MK1 but with square headlights? It was only 8400 and had about that many miles. Bought it from a dealer in Toms River.
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TedStriker Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:37:48pm |
re: #368 reine.de.tout
That would be my advice, as well.
First rule about Liz Claiborne mens' sweaters is don't talk about Liz Claiborne mens' sweaters...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:38:16pm |
re: #368 reine.de.tout
That would be my advice, as well.
it may or may not be more embarrassing than the time I got kicked out of a metal concert for rushing the floor, and then got mugged for my chicken mcnuggets wandering around downtown Seattle trying to figure out how to get home with no money
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austin_blue Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:38:20pm |
re: #361 reine.de.tout
eh?
That makes no sense in the context of what I asked. Which was: If we expect religious folks to put aside core beliefs, to separate those from what they will support ideologically in the political sphere for the greater good, should we not also expect that non-religious folks will do the same? Why should non-religious folks get to be the "arbiters of morality" (your term earlier) when we're asking the religious folks to stay out of it? Either everybody gets a say, or no one does. It makes no sense to tell one group to stay out of it, while another gets to set the standard for everybody.
You are exactly right. I'm not religious, per se, (I'm a Deist), but I agree that everyone should have a say in what is "moral". It is a significant point of discussion.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:38:40pm |
re: #294 SpaceJesus
FUCKING SNOW
"Jingle bells, jingle.. OMG! WTF are you doing to my kid's snowman?!?!?"
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:38:44pm |
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:38:55pm |
re: #369 WindUpBird
let me tell you how much I hate quackery and it being on Huff Po
HATE IT
I treat HuffPo like drudge. it aggregates news, it's often full of shit, it's opportunism, but it's still a thing I read
Right- that anti science stuff sends me off the deep end, big time.
I feel about anti vaccer Jenny McCarthy like I feel about climate deniers.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:39:01pm |
From a friend who works at Home Depot:
Question presented to me today by an actual customer:Sir! Oh Sir! Excuse me, but will that Christmas tree grow if I plant it in my yard?
A: no ma'am, that's an artificial tree.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:39:03pm |
re: #372 Gus 802
MK1 but with square headlights? It was only 8400 and had about that many miles. Bought it from a dealer in Toms River.
nice!
All the euro purists mod their cars with the round headlights, I kinda like them square.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:39:38pm |
re: #347 Walter L. Newton
I wing Windupbird with a small timpani... (get it... winged)
I'm probably going to have to take a picture of my techno-hobo drum setup at some point
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:40:15pm |
re: #369 WindUpBird
let me tell you how much I hate quackery and it being on Huff Po
HATE IT
I treat HuffPo like drudge. it aggregates news, it's often full of shit, it's opportunism, but it's still a thing I read
I can't spend many minutes at HuffPo whenever I visit. The anti-Semitism is far too much.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:40:19pm |
re: #380 WindUpBird
nice!
All the euro purists mod their cars with the round headlights, I kinda like them square.
I've got a 2001 GTI now but haven't driven it for a month. Insurance ran out.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:41:40pm |
re: #378 researchok
Right- that anti science stuff sends me off the deep end, big time.
I feel about anti vaccer Jenny McCarthy like I feel about climate deniers.
AAAAGH JENNY MCCARTHHHYYY
Blugh
Also that Kennedy kid, um, RFK jr? The one who does ring of fire. TOTALLY INSANE
I actually hate antivaxxers MORE, because climate is this sort of cosmic unknownable scary huge thing, and it's vulnerable to people messing with the science.
whereas vaccinations! That science is so settled it's in the center of the earth.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:42:18pm |
re: #382 NJDhockeyfan
I can't spend many minutes at HuffPo whenever I visit. The anti-Semitism is far too much.
I just read the news. Never read the comments. Never read the opinion pieces.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:42:20pm |
re: #378 researchok
Right- that anti science stuff sends me off the deep end, big time.
I feel about anti vaccer Jenny McCarthy like I feel about climate deniers.
She disappoints me. She's got a great entertainer persona, but its now ruined for me by her embrace of quackery.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:42:29pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:42:29pm |
re: #384 WindUpBird
AAAGH JENNY MCCARTHHHYYY
Blugh
Also that Kennedy kid, um, RFK jr? The one who does ring of fire. TOTALLY INSANE
I actually hate antivaxxers MORE, because climate is this sort of cosmic unknownable scary huge thing, and it's vulnerable to people messing with the science.
whereas vaccinations! That science is so settled it's in the center of the earth.
Well you are obviously not an indigo child. You should work on being MORE bohemian than you are.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:42:35pm |
re: #379 reine.de.tout
From a friend who works at Home Depot:
And people want to know why I like the South.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:43:01pm |
re: #383 Gus 802
I've got a 2001 GTI now but haven't driven it for a month. Insurance ran out.
WHY DIDN"T YOU TELL MEEEEE
I have a 2005 :D it sits in the driveway now because I never go anywhere.
(of course some of my friends drive around insuranceless but I wouldn't recommend it)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:43:31pm |
re: #385 Gus 802
I just read the news. Never read the comments. Never read the opinion pieces.
I read the comments for humor's sake, but they're bonkers
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:44:12pm |
re: #367 researchok
There was that. But some of those people switched it right over to Obama. I think people just need somewhere to direct their anger and discomfort.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:44:15pm |
re: #390 WindUpBird
WHY DIDN"T YOU TELL MEEE
I have a 2005 :D it sits in the driveway now because I never go anywhere.
(of course some of my friends drive around insuranceless but I wouldn't recommend it)
Last thing I need now is to get into an accident without insurance. Whew. That can turn into a nightmare. Worse than credit card debt.
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mich-again Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:44:33pm |
re: #379 reine.de.tout
I was once combing the aisles in a Toys R Us during Christmas season when the in-store phone was ringing forever in the aisle I was wandering down. I was like, heck, someone should answer the phone. It was a customer who was calling around looking for a Tickle Me Elmo doll. I was like, Yes Ma'm we just got a truckload of them! Didn't stick around to see if she came in, but I'm guessing there was one cheesed off lady customer a short while later. Gosh looking back, that was really a real crappy thing to do. ha
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:44:44pm |
aw, snow stopped. still going strong in the mountains where it matters tho.
guess they wont be filming breaking bad outside my apartment again tonight at least. not in this mess
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:44:51pm |
re: #388 EmmmieG
Well you are obviously not an indigo child. You should work on being MORE bohemian than you are.
ahahaha indigo children oh man
Did you see this? [Link: crispian-jago.blogspot.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:45:15pm |
re: #395 Gus 802
Last thing I need now is to get into an accident without insurance. Whew. That can turn into a nightmare. Worse than credit card debt.
You're being a responsible person *_*
is it a VR6?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:45:46pm |
re: #326 WindUpBird
Now us moderate/conservatives get to feel your pain vis a vis SEKRIT MUSLIN COMMIE BIRTHER shit.
*sigh*
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:45:55pm |
re: #384 WindUpBird
AAAGH JENNY MCCARTHHHYYY
Blugh
Also that Kennedy kid, um, RFK jr? The one who does ring of fire. TOTALLY INSANE
I actually hate antivaxxers MORE, because climate is this sort of cosmic unknownable scary huge thing, and it's vulnerable to people messing with the science.
whereas vaccinations! That science is so settled it's in the center of the earth.
Bless you.
Go in peace, live long and prosper.
That shit drives me crazy.
Years back, I met a family who lost a child because of 'religious' restrictions on medical care.
I didn't know then if I was more pained or angry.
Still don't know,
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:45:59pm |
re: #397 SpaceJesus
aw, snow stopped. still going strong in the mountains where it matters tho.
guess they wont be filming breaking bad outside my apartment again tonight at least. not in this mess
WTF?!
Mountains and apartments?!?!
YOU SAID YOU LIVED IN SPACE!
:P
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:46:02pm |
re: #385 Gus 802
I just read the news. Never read the comments. Never read the opinion pieces.
I don't like being on their website. I get that icky feeling knowing who are regulars there.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:46:26pm |
re: #395 Gus 802
Last thing I need now is to get into an accident without insurance. Whew. That can turn into a nightmare. Worse than credit card debt.
these are the kind of dumb friends I have: genius artists with talent I can't even comprehend, who think it's a good idea to drive around the bay area in their uninsured car, smoking weed while driving.
These are the people I don't discuss politics with :D
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:46:52pm |
re: #369 WindUpBird
But why vaccines? Why do they hate vaccines? I'm pretty happy I'm not dead or pockmarked from a horrific infection. Sometimes I really hate liberals, conservatives, oh idiots, thats right.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:47:19pm |
re: #401 Slumbering Behemoth
Now us moderate/conservatives get to feel your pain vis a vis SEKRIT MUSLIN COMMIE BIRTHER shit.
*sigh*
It sucks!
Oh man, my partner and I were like "has the world gone nuts?"
We found ourselves defending Bush because the opposition was so dumb on our respective blogs. UGH
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:47:28pm |
re: #394 sizzleRI
There was that. But some of those people switched it right over to Obama. I think people just need somewhere to direct their anger and discomfort.
That was my earlier point re identity politics.
It really is a disease, a brokeness in the individual who capitulates to that.
BDS, ODS, etc, are real- and tragic phenomena.
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Soap_Man Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:48:03pm |
re: #404 NJDhockeyfan
I don't like being on their website. I get that icky feeling knowing who are regulars there.
Evening all.
So, to dive right in, I check HuffPo and Drudge every morning, although I dislike both sides. I just like to know what the liberal/conservative water cooler conversations are going to be for the coming day.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:48:04pm |
re: #406 sizzleRI
But why vaccines? Why do they hate vaccines? I'm pretty happy I'm not dead or pockmarked from a horrific infection. Sometimes I really hate
liberals, conservatives, oh idiots, thats right.
They think vaccines, or the chemicals that preserve the vaccine, etc, cause autism.
Also they're stupid.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:48:21pm |
re: #405 WindUpBird
these are the kind of dumb friends I have: genius artists with talent I can't even comprehend, who think it's a good idea to drive around the bay area in their uninsured car, smoking weed while driving.
These are the people I don't discuss politics with :D
You end up with a liability suit. That's one of the worst things that can happen. And if someone is injured it's even worse. Seriously a bad scene if you get caught in that situation.
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Soap_Man Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:48:36pm |
re: #409 Soap_Man
Evening all.
So, to dive right in, I check HuffPo and Drudge every morning, although I dislike both
sidessites. I just like to know what the liberal/conservative water cooler conversations are going to be for the coming day.
Arg.
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:49:30pm |
re: #361 reine.de.tout
Lemme rephrase...
When someone takes a relatively high position of political office, they are obliged to represent their constituency however diverse (and however much they disagree with his ideals) it is. A religious person might represent their constituency over an area, but at the same time they are more likely than a non-religious person to try to lord it over the rest if they move up to a position to affect more than just their sect.
The standard exists for everyone, it's just that the religious are more likely to abuse it.
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mich-again Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:49:37pm |
I don't know if it upsets my conservative friends or liberal friends worse when I point out that Obama isn't handling things much different than GWB would have.
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:49:58pm |
re: #406 sizzleRI
But why vaccines? Why do they hate vaccines? I'm pretty happy I'm not dead or pockmarked from a horrific infection. Sometimes I really hate
liberals, conservatives, oh idiots, thats right.
Because some Deepak Chopra like idiot told people that vaccines caused autism From there it took off and an entire industry was born- a billion dollar industry.
And Jenny McStupid gets to call herself an expert.
And she has lots of self esteem. Yes, she's so healthy...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:50:21pm |
re: #404 NJDhockeyfan
I don't like being on their website. I get that icky feeling knowing who are regulars there.
It's a mainstream political news site, that's going for a mass audience, so it lets in all this garbage! it's not like I treat Huffpo as gospel, it's just an easier site to navigate than drudge. May as well be drudge, it's all the same aggregation portal crap. Huffpo just has a techie site, where as Drudge's is like web zero point zero
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:50:50pm |
re: #412 Gus 802
You end up with a liability suit. That's one of the worst things that can happen. And if someone is injured it's even worse. Seriously a bad scene if you get caught in that situation.
My dad's an injury lawyer, he lectured me HARD about insurance :D
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:51:04pm |
Keith Olbermann Suspends Twitter Account in Response to Fallout Over Michael Moore Interview
Keith Olbermann suspended his own Twitter account on Thursday after receiving a barrage of angry tweets over an interview Tuesday with Michael Moore.
The MSNBC host of Countdown With Keith Olbermann was speaking to Moore about the filmmaker's decision to contribute $20,000 to bail out Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks founder accused of sex crimes.
...The exchange between Moore and Olbermann caused a firestorm of angry tweets suggesting Olbermann and Moore were too flippant when discussing the accusations that Assange raped two women.
Many of the tweets were no doubt courtesy of Tigerbeatdown.com, which started an online campaign to shame Moore for his "rape apologism." It also takes Olbermann to task for re-tweeting a link to a story that identifies the women who accuse Assange of raping them.
Olbermann blocked the Tigerbeatdown tweets, then unblocked them, then said he is done with Twitter, for now, anyways.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:51:08pm |
re: #415 mich-again
I don't know if it upsets my conservative friends or liberal friends worse when I point out that Obama isn't handling things much different than GWB would have.
I agree 100%
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:51:21pm |
re: #410 WindUpBird
They think vaccines, or the chemicals that preserve the vaccine, etc, cause autism.
Also they're stupid.
Yeah, well, small pox, polio, whooping cough, tetanus, etc. can cause death.
| 422 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:51:30pm |
re: #419 NJDhockeyfan
haha I'll say this dude, I'm getting sick of Olbermann HARDCORE
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:51:40pm |
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laZardo Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:52:06pm |
Brb, gotta head home from college.
re: #415 mich-again
I don't know if it upsets my conservative friends or liberal friends worse when I point out that Obama isn't handling things much different than GWB would have.
BUSH'S THIRD TERRRRM!
/it's probably Congress' fault. They're still pretty much the same...
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jaunte Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:52:14pm |
re: #419 NJDhockeyfan
Some people just can't handle the tweet.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:52:22pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:52:38pm |
re: #414 laZardo
Lemme rephrase...
When someone takes a relatively high position of political office, they are obliged to represent their constituency however diverse (and however much they disagree with his ideals) it is. A religious person might represent their constituency over an area, but at the same time they are more likely than a non-religious person to try to lord it over the rest if they move up to a position to affect more than just their sect.
The standard exists for everyone, it's just that the religious are more likely to abuse it.
well . . . I don't agree.
An ultra-religious person is more likely to abuse it in a way that others find very offensive. But I don't think they're any more likely than anybody else to use power to suit themselves.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:52:57pm |
re: #409 Soap_Man
Evening all.
So, to dive right in, I check HuffPo and Drudge every morning, although I dislike both sides. I just like to know what the liberal/conservative Kool Aid conversations are going to be for the coming day.
fixed.
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Soap_Man Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:53:07pm |
re: #419 NJDhockeyfan
Keith Olbermann Suspends Twitter Account in Response to Fallout Over Michael Moore Interview
Well, he was okay on ESPN, I suppose. Been a bit of an ass ever since.
But retweeting an article that names the accuser is bad news.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:53:29pm |
re: #404 NJDhockeyfan
I don't like being on their website. I get that icky feeling knowing who are regulars there.
Also, no offense, but we younguns who are internet culture addicts, if we stayed off sites with crackpots and racists and cranks and quackery, that would rule out the entire interesting internet
I go TO sites where strange and unhinged people hang out. I like watching their heads work
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:53:46pm |
re: #418 WindUpBird
My dad's an injury lawyer, he lectured me HARD about insurance :D
Yep. If you cause a spinal injury you're looking at at least 100K plus. Wrongful death can be upwards of 2 million. If you don't have insurance you're screwed.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:54:40pm |
re: #430 Soap_Man
Well, he was okay on ESPN, I suppose. Been a bit of an ass ever since.
But retweeting an article that names the accuser is bad news.
Olbermann isn't anywhere near Beck, but he just drives me up the wall now
personalities. I'm tired of the schtick.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:54:57pm |
re: #419 NJDhockeyfan
First DKos, now Twitter? Is he planning on quitting the internets entirely?
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Soap_Man Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:54:58pm |
re: #431 WindUpBird
Also, no offense, but we younguns who are internet culture addicts, if we stayed off sites with crackpots and racists and cranks and quackery, that would rule out the entire interesting internet
I go TO sites where strange and unhinged people hang out. I like watching their heads work
But your hit is the same as the hit from the unhinged. It's like the old saying about Howard Stern: "It doesn't matter if people listen because they hate him or because they love him. It's revenue either way."
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:55:00pm |
re: #432 Gus 802
Yep. If you cause a spinal injury you're looking at at least 100K plus. Wrongful death can be upwards of 2 million. If you don't have insurance you're screwed.
it's a thing I have reminded them of!
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researchok Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:56:00pm |
Alright, I'm outta here.
It's that time and besides, this has become a 400 mph thread.
In my absence, listen to Gus.
Manana, folks.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:56:01pm |
re: #419 NJDhockeyfan
Keith Olbermann Suspends Twitter Account in Response to Fallout Over Michael Moore Interview
Weird.
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Soap_Man Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:56:01pm |
re: #429 Dark_Falcon
fixed.
Thank you sir. How have you been? A long time has passed since you and I were on LGF at the same time.
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Stanghazi Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:56:38pm |
re: #367 researchok
The reason was the talking point- and a brilliant one at that- BusHitler.
There were a lot of sad people when he left office and there were no concentration camps.
Oh COME ON.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:57:00pm |
re: #434 Gus 802
No prob, Patsy Cline gets a free pass.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:57:05pm |
re: #436 Soap_Man
But your hit is the same as the hit from the unhinged. It's like the old saying about Howard Stern: "It doesn't matter if people listen because they hate him or because they love him. It's revenue either way."
I take their bandwidth and I don't buy shit from their advertisers!
I reserve the right to visit any horrible site I wish. I do not accept the argument that I should not view a place because it's evil. That's the BEST reason to visit. Look at them go!
HHuffpo, eh, Huffpo is like drudge. They're both mainstream. With bullshit mixed in.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:57:53pm |
re: #410 WindUpBird
I was kidding, I know the debate. I have friends, not terribly liberal or conservative. None of them believe in the flu shot. I wasn't aware this was a "belief" issue. I thought it was just one of those science issues. Kind of fun to here them rationalize the difference between children's vaccines and the flu vaccines.
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Soap_Man Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:58:21pm |
re: #443 WindUpBird
I take their bandwidth and I don't buy shit from their advertisers!
I reserve the right to visit any horrible site I wish. I do not accept the argument that I should not view a place because it's evil. That's the BEST reason to visit. Look at them go!
HHuffpo, eh, Huffpo is like drudge. They're both mainstream. With bullshit mixed in.
I know. That was more a commentary on how those who run the sites go, "oooo, we get XX thousand hits. They probably don't realize that much of it are from people laughing at them.
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mich-again Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:58:47pm |
The 38 count indictment against Kwame Kilpatrick in Detroit is more than enough to make sure he'll grow old in jail. Kind of sad really. Born and raised to believe that rules are for other people by parents who were bigtime power brokers in the corrupt Detroit political machine. If he had been caught sooner, he would have learned the lesson with maybe a 3 or 5 year sentence. Now he's in the system forever because for far too long no one in authority dared go after him.
And he probably woule have gotten away if it wasn't for the "I did not have text with that woman!" lie that started the snowball rolling down the hill. RIP Kwame's political career and freedom. Nice job, mom and dad.
| 447 |
sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:00:40pm |
re: #416 researchok
Oh my favorite is that she claims to have single handedly saved her child from autism. All it took was effort and desire!
If I had a child with autism I would, well, wish to do things that are not appropriate in polite society.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:01:11pm |
re: #445 Soap_Man
Advertisers still can't figure it out:
"Interactive advertising will continue to be healthy next year," says Howard Bass, senior partner at Ernst & Young. "But there are many initiatives under way to [better] understand the value being delivered."
[Link: www.adweek.com...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:02:50pm |
re: #444 sizzleRI
I've never bothered with a flu shot. Always figured I should fight the virus on nature's terms.
/
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jaunte Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:05:09pm |
Time for sleep.
On the subject of anarchism:
"One is not bound to believe that all the water is deep that is muddy."
--Thomas Fuller
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:05:15pm |
re: #450 Slumbering Behemoth
I've never bothered with a flu shot. Always figured I should fight the virus on nature's terms.
/
Nature's terms are that you should barf up your shoes.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:05:22pm |
Crazy uncle Ron still crazy after all these years...
Ron Paul: WikiLeaks Makes Us Ask Whether $80 Billion Of Intel Is Worth It
Between his reaction to WikiLeaks and his views on the deficit Ron Paul may well find himself with enough ground support to launch a formidable 2012 campaign.
Yesterday he went on the floor of the House to school Congress in the fact Julian Assange can't actually be arrested.
He further questioned why Assange is the target when it's the Government who couldn't protect its own information. And anyway, why the hell are we paying so much for intelligence gathering if this is what we are gathering.
"Any information that challenges the official propaganda for the wars in the Middle East is un-welcomed by the administration and supporters of these unnecessary wars. Few are interested in understanding the relationship between our foreign policy in the Middle East and the threat of terrorism."
Also: Which has resulted in the most deaths? "Lying us into war, or the release of the WikiLeaks papers?"
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:06:04pm |
re: #440 Soap_Man
Thank you sir. How have you been? A long time has passed since you and I were on LGF at the same time.
Work is tough, but I'm hanging on. But I work downtown now, so I'm almost never on LGF till after 7pm anymore. I am excited about the Bears, though. I fully expect them to clinch on Monday night.
| 455 |
Soap_Man Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:07:03pm |
So, I'm watching Family Feud right now (don't judge me) and one of the contestants is 13 years old. Richard Karn made a big deal out of it when he was introduced.
The first question was "What would a stripper not want to break during a performance?"
His answer: Equipment. You know, like, toys.
| 456 |
SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:08:13pm |
re: #403 Varek Raith
space apartment in downtown spaceburque
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ryannon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:08:57pm |
re: #447 sizzleRI
Oh my favorite is that she claims to have single handedly saved her child from autism. All it took was effort and desire!
If I had a child with autism I would, well, wish to do things that are not appropriate in polite society.
Like taking the Freeway?
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
Also see:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Soap_Man Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:09:59pm |
re: #454 Dark_Falcon
Work is tough, but I'm hanging on. But I work downtown now, so I'm almost never on LGF till after 7pm anymore. I am excited about the Bears, though. I fully expect them to clinch on Monday night.
Hey, work is work. I've been really busy to, so I haven't been around LGF all that much in the past few months.
This has been a fun Bears season. But really frustrating. Every time you expect them to fall on their faces, they play really well (Eagles and Packers, etc.). Every time you expect them to play really well, they fall on their faces (Patriots and Redskins, etc.).
| 459 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:11:08pm |
re: #453 NJDhockeyfan
Crazy uncle Ron still crazy after all these years...
Ron Paul: WikiLeaks Makes Us Ask Whether $80 Billion Of Intel Is Worth It
Alternet is living in a dream world, and Luap Nor is legend in his own mind. Those losers deserve each other.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:11:38pm |
re: #452 EmmmieG
Nature's terms are that you should barf up your shoes.
And nature always loses that one. Bwahahaha :urp: hahaha!
| 461 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:14:08pm |
re: #458 Soap_Man
Hey, work is work. I've been really busy to, so I haven't been around LGF all that much in the past few months.
This has been a fun Bears season. But really frustrating. Every time you expect them to fall on their faces, they play really well (Eagles and Packers, etc.). Every time you expect them to play really well, they fall on their faces (Patriots and Redskins, etc.).
Well, against the Vikings they don't need to be great to win. And with Farve out, the Bears have all they need to win if they just play good. And with a playoff berth on the line, I think they can manage good. All we need is for New England to set us up by beating the Packers, and then I know the Bears can seal the deal.
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Soap_Man Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:17:15pm |
re: #461 Dark_Falcon
Well, against the Vikings they don't need to be great to win. And with Farve out, the Bears have all they need to win if they just play good. And with a playoff berth on the line, I think they can manage good. All we need is for New England to set us up by beating the Packers, and then I know the Bears can seal the deal.
And the word on the street is that Aaron Rodgers will have to miss Sunday's game with that concussion. Patriots should roll right over GB, and I would expect the Bears will roll over the Vikings. But, just like I mentioned above, they are hard to predict.
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mich-again Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:18:17pm |
re: #454 Dark_Falcon
I am excited about the Bears, though. I fully expect them to clinch on Monday night.
Whoopie do. A division title thanks to two tainted victories against the lowly Lions. They aint going anywhere in the playoffs. Mike Martz is the clearly the worst offensive coordinator in the NFL. Jay Cutler gets hit more often than the Everlast heavy bag at the gym.
The blown call on the Calvin Johnson TD pass in the first Bears-Lions game was one thing, but the personal foul call on Suh for shoving Cutler to the ground with his hands in the 2nd game was the even more ridiculous.
And BTW, Soldier Field is by far the ugliest stadium in the world. It looks like a UFO crash landed on a football stadium. Did an architect actually get paid for drawing up that train wreck, or was that design a winner in some comic book contest? ha.
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Soap_Man Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:19:22pm |
re: #464 mich-again
Whoopie do. A division title thanks to two tainted victories against the lowly Lions. They aint going anywhere in the playoffs. Mike Martz is the clearly the worst offensive coordinator in the NFL. Jay Cutler gets hit more often than the Everlast heavy bag at the gym.
The blown call on the Calvin Johnson TD pass in the first Bears-Lions game was one thing, but the personal foul call on Suh for shoving Cutler to the ground with his hands in the 2nd game was the even more ridiculous.
And BTW, Soldier Field is by far the ugliest stadium in the world. It looks like a UFO crash landed on a football stadium. Did an architect actually get paid for drawing up that train wreck, or was that design a winner in some comic book contest? ha.
Trent Dilfer, is that you?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:19:42pm |
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:19:54pm |
re: #457 ryannon
My statement was concerned with the particular case of Jenny McCarthy. No, I do not believe that she single handedly cured her child (as she has claimed) because she cared so much and tried so hard.
Autism is a complicated disorder. I do not think it will be broken down to any specific factor. It is most likely the result of an interaction between genetics and environment.
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Soap_Man Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:20:12pm |
re: #464 mich-again
Whoopie do. A division title thanks to two tainted victories against the lowly Lions. They aint going anywhere in the playoffs. Mike Martz is the clearly the worst offensive coordinator in the NFL. Jay Cutler gets hit more often than the Everlast heavy bag at the gym.
The blown call on the Calvin Johnson TD pass in the first Bears-Lions game was one thing, but the personal foul call on Suh for shoving Cutler to the ground with his hands in the 2nd game was the even more ridiculous.
And BTW, Soldier Field is by far the ugliest stadium in the world. It looks like a UFO crash landed on a football stadium. Did an architect actually get paid for drawing up that train wreck, or was that design a winner in some comic book contest? ha.
Oh, and the Calvin Johnson play wasn't a blown call. It was the correct interpretation of an incredibly stupid rule.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:20:39pm |
re: #461 Dark_Falcon
New England will do that for you, I promise.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:23:13pm |
re: #463 Soap_Man
And the word on the street is that Aaron Rodgers will have to miss Sunday's game with that concussion. Patriots should roll right over GB, and I would expect the Bears will roll over the Vikings. But, just like I mentioned above, they are hard to predict.
Well, Cutler missed a game earlier in the season after a concussion. They should keep Rodgers out till its safe for him to play. No more, no less.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:23:52pm |
re: #466 NJDhockeyfan
I'll wager it bears as much resemblance to reality as Conservapedia does.
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ryannon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:24:06pm |
re: #467 sizzleRI
My statement was concerned with the particular case of Jenny McCarthy. No, I do not believe that she single handedly cured her child (as she has claimed) because she cared so much and tried so hard.
Autism is a complicated disorder. I do not think it will be broken down to any specific factor. It is most likely the result of an interaction between genetics and environment.
I have no quarrel with you - and certainly not with vaccines. I just used your post as a springboard for the two links to recent studies that point to specific environmental factors as vectors of autism. A must read for anyone seriously interested in the question.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:26:05pm |
re: #472 ryannon
I have no quarrel with you - and certainly not with vaccines. I just used your post as a springboard for the two links to recent studies that point to specific environmental factors as vectors of autism. A must read for anyone seriously interested in the question.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:27:20pm |
re: #464 mich-again
Phooey. The first call was correct, but I agree the rule was stupid. The second was a good faith call by a ref whose perspective was limited. And who's to say the Bears would not have scored on that drive in that second game anyways.
And why are you hatin' anyway? Your Lions took down Green Bay. Your team is much better than it has been in the past 15 years. If the Lions keep improving, they might even be able to get to a winning record in a season or two. Be glad for your victories and chill.
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mich-again Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:29:02pm |
I've been following the story about the NY Jets coach who is apparently the worst person in the world for tripping the Miami Dolphins' gunner as he raced down the sidelines out of bounds covering the punt return.
I can't figure out why not one single talking head on TV will point out that what the Miami Dolphins gunner was doing at the time was against the rules. You can't run down the sidelines out of bounds. If you get shoved out of bounds, you have to get back onto the field of play before proceeding down the field to make a play. You can't just run down the field out of bounds to avoid the two guys on the punt return team who are trying to block you.
Not to say what the Jets coach did was OK, but I can see him thinking, well, if the refs won't call the Miami gunner for breaking the rules every time they punt, running down in coverage out of bounds, then we should just stand on the sidelines and make a wall so he can't do it.
Usually at least one of the TV experts plays devils advocate in a case like this, if for no reason other than to spur debate withg his colleagues. But here, not one single person has pointed out that the Dolphins player was knowingly playing outside the rules when it happened.
Not a Jets or a Dolphins fan here. Just wondering why no one has pointed this out yet.
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Soap_Man Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:32:16pm |
re: #475 mich-again
I've been following the story about the NY Jets coach who is apparently the worst person in the world for tripping the Miami Dolphins' gunner as he raced down the sidelines out of bounds covering the punt return.
I can't figure out why not one single talking head on TV will point out that what the Miami Dolphins gunner was doing at the time was against the rules. You can't run down the sidelines out of bounds. If you get shoved out of bounds, you have to get back onto the field of play before proceeding down the field to make a play. You can't just run down the field out of bounds to avoid the two guys on the punt return team who are trying to block you.
Not to say what the Jets coach did was OK, but I can see him thinking, well, if the refs won't call the Miami gunner for breaking the rules every time they punt, running down in coverage out of bounds, then we should just stand on the sidelines and make a wall so he can't do it.
Usually at least one of the TV experts plays devils advocate in a case like this, if for no reason other than to spur debate withg his colleagues. But here, not one single person has pointed out that the Dolphins player was knowingly playing outside the rules when it happened.
Not a Jets or a Dolphins fan here. Just wondering why no one has pointed this out yet.
I agree in general, but I think it is such a huge deal because it was a coach, not a player. As in, he's not a player in the heat of the game so he should know better. If a player did it, it would still be a story, just not as much.
But you're right about the gunner. That never gets called.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:35:41pm |
re: #472 ryannon
I apologize for responding with such hostility. I have both the links opened and saved to read. It sucks that autisim has joined so many other areas of medical and scientific research that have been politicized.
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mich-again Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:36:28pm |
re: #474 Dark_Falcon
The second was a good faith call by a ref whose perspective was limited.
I should clarify. Ed Hockuli made the original bad call on the field. No surprise there. He's the worst ref in football. How many games has he F*ed up in the last few years with bad calls. Dude needs to pump iron less and read the rule book more.
My real problem is with the NFL officials who watched the same replays everyone else did and then assessed a fine. They fined him for excessive use of force for shoving a scrambling QB down to the ground with two open hands. Utterly ridiculous. I think they did it as a show of support for the worst ref on the payroll.
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ryannon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:38:49pm |
re: #479 sizzleRI
I apologize for responding with such hostility. I have both the links opened and saved to read. It sucks that autisim has joined so many other areas of medical and scientific research that have been politicized.
Thank you, but no apology necessary.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:40:55pm |
re: #478 Gus 802
You're argument, and all arguments past, present, and future, have now been irrevocably and permanently rendered invalid.
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:42:48pm |
re: #482 ryannon
South Park always deepest.
And funniest.
You know I've always looked out for your best interest.
Care for some Buck Owens?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:43:14pm |
re: #480 mich-again
I should clarify. Ed Hockuli made the original bad call on the field. No surprise there. He's the worst ref in football. How many games has he F*ed up in the last few years with bad calls. Dude needs to pump iron less and read the rule book more.
My real problem is with the NFL officials who watched the same replays everyone else did and then assessed a fine. They fined him for excessive use of force for shoving a scrambling QB down to the ground with two open hands. Utterly ridiculous. I think they did it as a show of support for the worst ref on the payroll.
That is ridiculous. Why do they keep Hockuli around if he's that bad, though?
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Gus Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:47:35pm |
re: #482 ryannon
South Park always deepest.
And funniest.
I'm just teasing you Ryannon. Hope things are well with you.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:50:57pm |
re: #467 sizzleRI
Can't blame her for caring. She's just misguided. God bless her for trying to the best for her child.
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palomino Thu, Dec 16, 2010 10:53:18pm |
re: #91 NJDhockeyfan
I don't recall those band's songs tied to violence.
Really? You don't see how rockers with albums like "Reign in Blood" or "Live Evil" might be associated with anti-social tendencies and violence?
There's a long history of violence in the subcultures of both metal and punk.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:03:15pm |
re: #288 sizzleRI
That is why the debate is so stupid. And cruel. How can you ever know what someone else has gone through? Especially with something like mothering. So many mothers, in fact most, are really doing all they can to take care of their children. That is why to me the debate is so bizarre. I don't think choosing to bottlefeed makes a mother wrong. But having to do it because you can't breastfeed and want to? There is already enough guilt.
So many discussions about motherhood are based on making other people feel like shit. Nothing new--I'm thinking about Bruno Bettleheim and the 'refrigerator mothers'.
My personal gripe is the affluent women who write these chirpy books about how women like me who waited until their late thirties to try to start a family are crappy people who sold out to career feminism, and will be SOR-ry when we find our eggs have expired. Thanks, ladies.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:07:16pm |
re: #367 researchok
The reason was the talking point- and a brilliant one at that- BusHitler.
There were a lot of sad people when he left office and there were no concentration camps.
No, those people were firm in their belief that there were.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:12:35pm |
re: #492 SanFranciscoZionist
Sweet folk, ain't they.
Heh, my grandma used to always bug me about getting married. When I'd tell her I have no interest in getting married, she sarcastically say "Why should you get to be happy for the rest of your life". At least she had a sense of humor about it.
She got me a t-shirt like this once.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:14:11pm |
re: #421 EmmmieG
Yeah, well, small pox, polio, whooping cough, tetanus, etc. can cause death.
The thing that baffled me about the Jenny McCarthy story is that she claimed that after vaccines gave her son autism, she cured his autism with plant food.
If we can cure autism with plant food, why worry about vaccines? Just give the kids their vaccines, and then some plant food.
Of course, now she seems to think he might not have been autistic after all. In which case, God knows WHAT it is that plant food cures. She also thinks he's a Crystal, which is even bigger and more important than being an Indigo Child.
/I have to take this woman lightly, because otherwise I would scream.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:16:02pm |
re: #471 Slumbering Behemoth
I'll wager it bears as much resemblance to reality as Conservapedia does.
Conservapedia vs. Cubapedia! Throw-down!
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:20:24pm |
re: #489 Floral Giraffe
Can't blame her for caring. She's just misguided. God bless her for trying to the best for her child.
You're right. It is so personal.
I just think of all the mothers that wish they could save their children, and try so hard. I know they already blame themselves for no reason.
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sizzleRI Thu, Dec 16, 2010 11:25:42pm |
re: #492 SanFranciscoZionist
So many discussions about motherhood are based on making other people feel like shit. Nothing new--I'm thinking about Bruno Bettleheim and the 'refrigerator mothers'.
My personal gripe is the affluent women who write these chirpy books about how women like me who waited until their late thirties to try to start a family are crappy people who sold out to career feminism, and will be SOR-ry when we find our eggs have expired. Thanks, ladies.
Nothing about their attitude has anything to do with how I think about feminism or motherhood. They seem to believe there is only one way to be a woman and mother (gee, where I have heard that before?).
I can't even take the diary of one day out of their lives' seriously.
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