Hilarious Anti-Evolution Rant of the Month, Courtesy of Sharron Angle’s PAC

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A few days ago we noted that Tea Party loon Sharron Angle had launched a new organization called “The Patr Jot Cauc SPAC” …

… oh, wait … that’s “The Patriot Caucus PAC.” Anyway, LGF reader Sergey Romanov browsed around the site and dug up this gem of an anti-evolution rant posted by Randy Due. I reproduce it here in its entirety because, well, it’s a major hoot.

Theory of evolution vs Truth - The Patriot Caucus PAC.

Theory of evolution?

Ever stop and ask yourself why it is called the theory of evolution and not the facts of evolution?

Maybe I can share something most folks do not know about, which may be of interest to you.

My background has made me privy to things many folks have absolutely no idea about concerning Nature and mankind.

One part of this involves Electro-magnetic Energy Frequencies, which each Species of animals and plants are part of a Specific Major Frequency and when the Frequency changes there is a Different Species.

These frequencies can be measured and have been by a few privy scientists.

Of course you cannot find this interesting measuring device at the local Monkey shop.

Within each Species there is what we may call Micro-frequencies, which are what allow for the adaptation to the varied environmental conditions a Species may find it’s self in giving rise to different colors, shapes etc, but the Species stays the same.

Example: Cows, we have Jersey cows, Holstein cows, Angus cows, etc, but they are still cows.

It is same for the monkey family, all Monkeys.

It is the same for the Bird family, Cat family, dog family etc.

The Human family is a Specific family of people and by Nature can never evolve from any other Species family Naturally.

This means the idea of Natural Mutation is Impossible for one Specific Species to produce another Species. Who has ever seen a Cat give birth to a Dog, or a Fish to a Bird?

Evolution is just a False theory of Religion that Liberals worship! Did the Liberals have you Fooled into believing they had Separation between Religion and State or Government?

In Fact Evolution is one of the Biggest Lies the Liberals are Brainwashing our Kids with in the National schools of America.

And the Liberal Monkeys think they have it all figured out?

Monkey see, monkey do, did the Liberals make a Monkey outta you too?

This might be one of the Biggest Nut jobs the Liberals in Washington DC have pulled off?

For the Liberals to Destroy our Constitution, they have to remove our Creator from our Schools and Government. Without the Creator the Constitution is Null and Void!

What better way than to Fool as many Kids and Parents with the Biggest Lie in History, called the Theory of evolution. —Brainwash our Kids—

We even have Liberal Monkey Nuts in Washington DC who want to call the Constitution a Living Constitution, so they can change it to suit their Liberal Socialist agenda.

Don’t you want to be one of their Socialists Monkey Nuts only getting to eat the Rotten Nuts they decide to throw you?

Have a Good Day!

Randy

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195 comments
1 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:07:55pm

What's with the weird capitalization?

2 Kragar  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:08:44pm
3 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:09:43pm
This might be one of the Biggest Nut jobs the Liberals in Washington DC have pulled off?

Does this person even speak English?? The whole thing is incoherent.

4 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:09:44pm

Might I suggest an Idiot du Jour category of post and nominations?

This is a good start.

5 Kragar  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:09:49pm

re: #1 CuriousLurker

What's with the weird capitalization?

Emphasis.

6 elizajane  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:10:20pm

"Ever stop and ask yourself why it is called the theory of evolution and not the facts of evolution?"

Kind of like the theory of life vs. the facts of life, right?

Randy Due and the Patr Jots probably don't want those facts taught to their kids either.

7 Jaerik  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:10:45pm

re: #1 CuriousLurker

What's with the weird capitalization?

It's a Tea Party thing.

8 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:11:02pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Emphasis.

Except even that isn't consistent. Good grief. *headdesk*

9 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:11:52pm

It reads like a bad parody of it's self...

10 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:11:53pm

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Video]

That's a keeper.

11 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:12:01pm

re: #7 Jaerik

It's a Tea Party thing.

Ah, okay. Then I guess it Makes Sense.

12 Kragar  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:12:06pm

re: #6 elizajane

"Ever stop and ask yourself why it is called the theory of evolution and not the facts of evolution?"

Kind of like the theory of life vs. the facts of life, right?

Randy Due and the Patr Jots probably don't want those facts taught to their kids either.

I do wonder why people can take millenia old myths from one region of the world and consider them as facts behind the secrets of the universe. Does that count?

13 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:13:05pm

ELECTRO MAGNETIC FREQUENCIES HOW THE FUCK DO THEY WORK?!?!?

(someone had to say it).

14 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:14:52pm
My background has made me privy to things many folks have absolutely no idea about concerning Nature and mankind.

O'rly? Do tell?

One part of this involves Electro-magnetic Energy Frequencies, which each Species of animals and plants are part of a Specific Major Frequency and when the Frequency changes there is a Different Species.

These frequencies can be measured and have been by a few privy scientists.

Wait, what? Never mind, just STFU you kook.

Evolution is just a False theory of Religion that Liberals worship! Did the Liberals have you Fooled into believing they had Separation between Religion and State or Government?

Wait a damn minute. Did this mealy mouthed son of a bitch just call me a liberal? Why I oughtta...

15 KingKenrod  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:15:24pm

Just saw this: Captain Beefheart dead at 69:

[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]

16 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:15:26pm

LMAO @ the Comic Sans!!

17 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:15:50pm

re: #1 CuriousLurker

What's with the weird capitalization?

It must have to do with Patriotism and other National Stuff, or Important Stuff like Kids and Parents and Lies.

18 SpaceJesus  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:16:08pm

please tell me this person doesn't have children

19 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:16:32pm

re: #1 CuriousLurker

What's with the weird capitalization?

It's a specific genetic trait in the species Homo Stupidicus.

20 APox  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:16:44pm

re: #1 CuriousLurker

What's with the weird capitalization?

GIT YER GOVARNMANT oF MY grEMER!

TrAD LITELY

21 Kragar  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:16:54pm

re: #13 Dreggas

ELECTRO MAGNETIC FREQUENCIES HOW THE FUCK DO THEY WORK?!?!?

(someone had to say it).

ACCURSED LODESTONES, THOU ART VEXXING IN THY DEVILRY!

22 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:17:05pm

re: #14 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, I was trying to work out the electro-magnet thing Myself. And who are these Privy Scientists?

23 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:18:01pm

re: #16 CuriousLurker

LMAO @ the Comic Sans!!

<blockquote class="creationist">

24 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:18:02pm

re: #13 Dreggas

ELECTRO MAGNETIC FREQUENCIES HOW THE FUCK DO THEY WORK?!?!?

(someone had to say it).

Like magnets. And electrolytes...

25 Kragar  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:18:02pm

re: #22 reine.de.tout

Yeah, I was trying to work out the electro-magnet thing Myself. And who are these Privy Scientists?

They've got all the inside poop.

26 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:18:09pm

re: #22 reine.de.tout

Yeah, I was trying to work out the electro-magnet thing Myself. And who are these Privy Scientists?

they're the ones that study the crap that comes outta this guy in his privy...

27 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:18:33pm

Ya ever wonder about the THEORY OF GRAVITY? You know, they never call it the FACT OF GRAVITY.

And what's the difference between the Liberal Monkey Nuts and the Conservative Monkey Nuts? Inquiring minds want to know.

(These people need to be pointed and laughed at as much as possible.)

28 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:18:35pm

re: #24 ralphieboy

Like magnets. And electrolytes...

it's what plants crave since god made it that way!

29 NVAudiophile  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:18:59pm

re: #18 SpaceJesusPlease tell me this person doesn't home school her children.

30 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:19:00pm

re: #23 Charles

<blockquote class="creationist">

Hahahahaha!

31 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:19:15pm

re: #1 CuriousLurker

What's with the weird capitalization?

reminds me of this

32 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:20:34pm

I've been trying Very Hard to keep my Sanity in the face of Increasing Intellectual Idiocy from what ought to be my right-wing Brethren.

They Left me Behind a long Time Ago.

33 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:21:33pm

re: #22 reine.de.tout

And who are these Privy Scientists?

The study the magnetic fields surrounding outhouses.

34 Kragar  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:21:40pm

re: #32 reine.de.tout

I've been trying Very Hard to keep my Sanity in the face of Increasing Intellectual Idiocy from what ought to be my right-wing Brethren.

They Left me Behind a long Time Ago.

If they do get Raptured, I call dibs on their stuff.

They fucking hate that.

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:22:21pm

For some reason, this is reminding me of a scene in one of Evangeline Walton's novels about ancient Wales. In her recreation, there are two groups, a matrilineal one in the north and a patrilineal one that's hacked out a little kingdom for themselves to the south. The matrilineal group does not have a concept of biological fatherhood at all, and while some people are adopting the idea from the southerners, the more old-fashioned types are dubious about it.

At one point, one of Walton's characters loses his patience with his brothers, who are doubtful about this whole father business, and points out that they're all farmers, and they know that if you want calves, you have to put a bull with your cows. His older brother tells him, quite shocked, that women aren't cows, and he oughta know better than to talk like that.

The difference is, these guys have an excuse. They're living in the damn Bronze Age.

36 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:22:27pm

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If they do get Raptured, I call dibs on their stuff.

They fucking hate that.


I'll be hanging our outside a megachurch when they start floating to heaven, churches have the best live music rigs

37 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:22:39pm

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If they do get Raptured, I call dibs on their stuff.

They fucking hate that.

heh.
I thought there were places where they could make out wills for the post-Rapture period? And leave e-mail messages?

38 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:22:46pm

re: #32 reine.de.tout

I've been trying Very Hard to keep my Sanity in the face of Increasing Intellectual Idiocy from what ought to be my right-wing Brethren.

They Left me Behind a long Time Ago.

Well the last sane Conservative please grab a copy of Origin of Species?

Thank you.

39 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:23:02pm

re: #32 reine.de.tout

I've been trying Very Hard to keep my Sanity in the face of Increasing Intellectual Idiocy from what ought to be my right-wing Brethren.

They Left me Behind a long Time Ago.

I'm with ya, sister. Simpatico, we are.

40 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:23:16pm

I plan to go flying this weekend.

I am looking forward to it.

Because I just realized that the Theory of Gravity is just a theory and therefore is not a fact!

So I can fly now. See ya.

41 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:23:36pm

re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm with ya, sister. Simpatico, we are.

I'm now waiting for someone to start talking about Globular Clusters.

42 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:24:27pm

re: #27 marjoriemoon

And what's the difference between the Liberal Monkey Nuts and the Conservative Monkey Nuts? Inquiring minds want to know.

One group makes funny paper maché, the other makes funny signs...

43 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:25:37pm

re: #42 Aceofwhat?

One group makes funny paper maché, the other makes funny signs...

lol Hi honey!! You got your woolies on up there?

44 Mark Winter  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:25:57pm

Example: Nutters, we have loonies, batshit crazies, friggin creationist idiots, Michele Bachmann, etc, but they are still nutters.

45 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:26:49pm

re: #43 marjoriemoon

lol Hi honey!! You got your woolies on up there?

hey girl - just got back to Jax...kids are playing with my sister and my wife is running errands, so i'm relaxing with my laptop!

46 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:28:08pm

I think the silly syllogism behind this all is as follows:

Liberals love Evolution because it is rails against God.

They hate God because they hate America, which is God's Chosen Country.

Therefore we must reject Evolution.

47 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:28:13pm

re: #45 Aceofwhat?

hey girl - just got back to Jax...kids are playing with my sister and my wife is running errands, so i'm relaxing with my laptop!

Good deal. I'm sure they missed you! Good to see you.

I have to jet, but I'll be back :>

48 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:32:41pm

re: #41 reine.de.tout

I'm now waiting for someone to start talking about Globular Clusters.

how are things? your girl back home from the A+ semester yet?

49 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:33:23pm

re: #22 reine.de.tout

Yeah, I was trying to work out the electro-magnet thing Myself. And who are these Privy Scientists?


Privy Scientist:

Image: cleaning_privy.jpg

50 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:34:34pm

re: #48 Aceofwhat?

how are things? your girl back home from the A+ semester yet?

ha!!
Yes, she's home.
And whew, things are hopping when she's around! The energy of youth - I suspect I drove my mom crazy the same way (in fact I know I did).

51 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:34:49pm

re: #32 reine.de.tout

I'm printing that whole study SJ paged. 26 pages for Dad and FIL.

52 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:34:52pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

Privy Scientist:

Image: cleaning_privy.jpg

*snort*

53 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:38:06pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

I'm still trying to locate my "local Monkey shop". Sadly, there doesn't seem to be one in my area. Just as well I guess since they don't carry Electro-magnetic Energy Frequency measuring devices anyway. *sigh*

54 freetoken  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:39:33pm

Though the Patr Jot Cauc Spac would deny it, petroleum is a fossil fuel from millions of years ago.

And, here is why the price has been inching upwards:

U.S. fuel consumption jumped in November from a year earlier, a signal that the U.S. economy is rebounding, according to the American Petroleum Institute.

Total deliveries of petroleum products, a measure of demand, climbed 6.5 percent to 20 million barrels a day last month, the industry-funded group said today in a report. Consumption during the first 11 months of 2010 climbed 2.4 percent to 19.2 million barrels a day.

“Fuel demand continues to strengthen, a positive sign for the economy,” John Felmy, chief economist with the Washington- based API, said in the report. “Gasoline deliveries are up three months in a row and distillate deliveries are up 10 months in a row.”

[...]

So, Americans are back to their consuming ways, which I suppose ought to translate into more business in Las Vegas and help the unemployed go to work in the casino industry.

55 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:39:53pm

re: #53 CuriousLurker

I'm still trying to locate my "local Monkey shop". Sadly, there doesn't seem to be one in my area. Just as well I guess since they don't carry Electro-magnetic Energy Frequency measuring devices anyway. *sigh*

My neighbor across the street said I have "good energy". I'm starting to think she's a Liberal Monkey Nut.

56 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:41:33pm

re: #23 Charles

<blockquote class="creationist">

That reminds me of this: [Link: scienceblogs.com...]

57 Ben Jephazi  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:42:32pm

re: #3 CuriousLurker

Does this person even speak English?? The whole thing is incoherent.

It's spelled correctly, and the words are English. And that is all of the nice statements I can make about the piece.

58 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:46:40pm

I have never seen any thing so vigorously, so dishonestly, and so ignorantly demonized like the theory of evolution.

That there is a large number of grown adults on the planet that buy such specious arguments, as the one displayed above, with absolute credulity depresses me a little.

59 freetoken  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:47:15pm

BTW, actually on topic, Gallup has a new news release from today:


Four in 10 Americans Believe in Strict Creationism

Four in 10 Americans, slightly fewer today than in years past, believe God created humans in their present form about 10,000 years ago. Thirty-eight percent believe God guided a process by which humans developed over millions of years from less advanced life forms, while 16%, up slightly from years past, believe humans developed over millions of years, without God's involvement.

This is from the latest version of their long-running poll, data collected just last week.

It looks like the old generation is slowly dying off, at about 1% point per answer category per year being replaced by young'uns indoctrinated in godless secular humanism.

60 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:49:18pm

re: #59 freetoken

BTW, actually on topic, Gallup has a new news release from today:

Four in 10 Americans Believe in Strict Creationism

This is from the latest version of their long-running poll, data collected just last week.

It looks like the old generation is slowly dying off, at about 1% point per answer category per year being replaced by young'uns indoctrinated in godless secular humanism.

Flat Earthers, 2010.

61 engineer cat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:49:18pm

synchonistically enough, i had just copied this from gallup to paste here:

Four in 10 Americans, slightly fewer today than in years past, believe God created humans as is about 10,000 years ago. A similar number (38%) believe God guided the development of humans from less advanced life forms over millions of years, while 16% believe humans evolved without God's involvement.

my suggestion is that we segregate americans according to the century that they live in

62 Ben Jephazi  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:50:28pm

re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth

I have never seen any thing so vigorously, so dishonestly, and so ignorantly demonized like the theory of evolution.

That there is a large number of grown adults on the planet that buy such specious arguments, as the one displayed above, with absolute credulity depresses me a little.

Heliocentrism.

63 engineer cat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:50:38pm

oh poo you guys beat me to it

64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:51:43pm

re: #53 CuriousLurker

I think for Mr. Due, a "local Monkey shop" is likely to be any place of business that isn't a Christian bookstore.

65 freetoken  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:51:47pm

Put up a Page on the Gallup poll.

Over half of the self identified Republicans answered as YECs.

That explains so much.

66 freetoken  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:56:29pm

And given how the GOP is looking to dismantle public education and head towards religious indoctrination, what little progress being made towards a scientifically literate society will regress:

Fla. Gov’s Plan Would Aid Those Who Seek Biblical Law

67 engineer cat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:57:17pm

These frequencies can be measured and have been by a few privy scientists.

Of course you cannot find this interesting measuring device at the local Monkey shop

Within each Species there is what we may call Micro-frequencies...

i have a sneaking suspicion that some of these privy scientists have picked up a few spare simoleons selling interesting measuring devices to rubes eager to swallow impressive but factitious verbiage concerning what we may call Micro-frequencies...

68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:57:41pm

re: #59 freetoken

This is why groups like the Discovery Institute are scrambling so hard to force their agenda. They see their political power and wealth slipping away, and will try and counter that trend by any means necessary, no matter how dishonest.

"For the Devil sends the Beast with wrath, because he knows his time is short"

69 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:58:26pm

re: #67 engineer dog


i have a sneaking suspicion that some of these privy scientists have picked up a few spare simoleons selling interesting measuring devices to rubes eager to swallow impressive but factitious verbiage concerning what we may call Micro-frequencies...

Yeah those detectors are made of tinfoil and oddly enough they fit on the head quite nicely.

70 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:59:26pm

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

"For the Devil sends the Beast with wrath, because he knows his time is short"

71 calochortus  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:01:15pm

Oh good grief. Secret Knowledge being shared with those special people 'in the know'. How about he gives us a link to info on those special frequencies or whatever they were.

72 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:02:28pm

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

This is why groups like the Discovery Institute are scrambling so hard to force their agenda. They see their political power and wealth slipping away, and will try and counter that trend by any means necessary, no matter how dishonest.

"For the Devil sends the Beast with wrath, because he knows his time is short"

On a parallel track, this is very depressing to me. Where does a right of center go to find a political home?

73 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:03:58pm

re: #66 freetoken

And given how the GOP is looking to dismantle public education and head towards religious indoctrination, what little progress being made towards a scientifically literate society will regress:

Fla. Gov’s Plan Would Aid Those Who Seek Biblical Law

And yet they want to convince me that it is Sharia Law that is the spreading danger in America.

Not that I am a fan of Sharia or anything. I'm just not a fan of any religious laws gaing ground here.

74 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:04:15pm

re: #72 researchok

On a parallel track, this is very depressing to me. Where does a right of center go to find a political home?

You become blue dog democrats.

75 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:04:42pm

re: #65 freetoken

Put up a Page on the Gallup poll.

Over half of the self identified Republicans answered as YECs.

That explains so much.

The GOP really has become the party of the religious right. Sad to see.

76 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:05:15pm

re: #72 researchok

On a parallel track, this is very depressing to me. Where does a right of center go to find a political home?

No answer I'm afraid. LGF isn't a political home, but its a pretty good refuge from the insanity. Thank goodness for small miracles, IMHO.


Alternativly, you could ask Ojoe that question; I'm sure he has an answer.
:-)

77 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:05:35pm

re: #72 researchok

On a parallel track, this is very depressing to me. Where does a right of center go to find a political home?

You understand that 'right' and 'left' are reasonably arbitrary, join the Democratic party, and try to get sane, competent people with practical, workable ideas elected.

78 calochortus  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:06:05pm

Actually, I've just been reading about these "attract good things with positive thoughts" gurus. I wonder if this guy has been reading them? Apparently they variously cite things like gravity, vibrations and quantum physics (Ludwig, wherever you are-don't look!) to explain how wanting something will bring it to you.

79 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:06:20pm

re: #66 freetoken

And given how the GOP is looking to dismantle public education and head towards religious indoctrination, what little progress being made towards a scientifically literate society will regress:

Fla. Gov’s Plan Would Aid Those Who Seek Biblical Law

Well...it's not the voucher program per se which we should expect to produce questionable educational results in the biological sciences. It's the part where we in Florida are apparently allowed to teach our kids whatever we want about the origins of our planet and its inhabitants.

With better standards, the vouchers wouldn't be a big deal in this regard.

80 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:06:31pm

re: #71 calochortus

Oh good grief. Secret Knowledge being shared with those special people 'in the know'. How about he gives us a link to info on those special frequencies or whatever they were.

The link is....>>> missing!11!!

81 calochortus  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:07:14pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

*snort*

82 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:07:41pm

re: #72 researchok

On a parallel track, this is very depressing to me. Where does a right of center go to find a political home?

I don't know, brother. I think we're kinda homeless right now.

Ah well, I shall embrace my political nomadism and vote for the right ideas rather than the right party.

83 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:08:05pm

re: #77 Obdicut

You understand that 'right' and 'left' are reasonably arbitrary, join the Democratic party, and try to get sane, competent people with practical, workable ideas elected.

my extended family in Ohio, Republicans all, voted unanimously for Strickland from what i heard. can i get a high five or what?

84 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:09:56pm

re: #74 jamesfirecat

You become blue dog democrats.

That's easy in the sense that like the BD's I am without a doubt fiscally far more conservative.

On social issues I tend to be more liberal, as opposed to progressive. Thus, progressive social stands do not really appeal to me.

Come crunch time, there are few if any acceptable candidates.

85 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:10:04pm

re: #65 freetoken

Put up a Page on the Gallup poll.

Over half of the self identified Republicans answered as YECs.

That explains so much.

Asked for comment a local man had the following to say

"Oh I hate every Ape I see...
From Chimpan-a to chimpanzee
No they'll never make monkey out of me!

86 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:10:08pm

re: #78 calochortus

Actually, I've just been reading about these "attract good things with positive thoughts" gurus. I wonder if this guy has been reading them? Apparently they variously cite things like gravity, vibrations and quantum physics (Ludwig, wherever you are-don't look!) to explain how wanting something will bring it to you.

One simple fact blows that whole "The Secret" bullshit right out of the water...

Jessica Alba has never once tried to contact me.

87 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:10:33pm

re: #84 researchok

That's easy in the sense that like the BD's I am without a doubt fiscally far more conservative.

On social issues I tend to be more liberal, as opposed to progressive. Thus, progressive social stands do not really appeal to me.

Come crunch time, there are few if any acceptable candidates.

Wait...

What is the difference between a social liberal and a social progressive?

88 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:10:51pm

re: #73 Slumbering Behemoth

And yet they want to convince me that it is Sharia Law that is the spreading danger in America.

Not that I am a fan of Sharia or anything. I'm just not a fan of any religious laws gaing ground here.

Not to worry, Rep. Pete King has the Muslim threat covered.

As 000G just pointed out to me, along with Paul in charge of the Fed & Bachus in charge of the House Banking Committee, it looks like we'll be in great shape ofr the next couple of years!

// —> ∞

89 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:10:59pm

re: #82 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't know, brother. I think we're kinda homeless right now.

Ah well, I shall embrace my political nomadism and vote for the right ideas rather than the right party.

Pretty much sums it up.

Both parties are far more polarizing than they have ever been.

90 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:11:37pm

re: #83 Aceofwhat?

Good on them.

Seriously, this is a sad, sad piece of news. I used to be a Republican. It was my first party identification, back when Tipper Gore was calling for censorship of rap and P.J. O'Rourke was mocking her for it. I thought the religious right would be marginalized.

I still don't fully understand why the GOP decided to use the culture war in election after election. It has been extremely damaging to politics in the US, damaging to our educational system, and dangerous to our country's survival.

91 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:12:33pm

re: #90 Obdicut

Good on them.

Seriously, this is a sad, sad piece of news. I used to be a Republican. It was my first party identification, back when Tipper Gore was calling for censorship of rap and P.J. O'Rourke was mocking her for it. I thought the religious right would be marginalized.

I still don't fully understand why the GOP decided to use the culture war in election after election. It has been extremely damaging to politics in the US, damaging to our educational system, and dangerous to our country's survival.

Because what else do they have to run on but the culture war?

Tax cuts for the rich?

92 celticdragon  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:12:43pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ACCURSED LODESTONES, THOU ART VEXXING IN THY DEVILRY!

Thou'rt a comical fool with gambols and japes aplenty.
;)

93 calochortus  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:13:05pm

re: #86 Slumbering Behemoth

One simple fact blows that whole "The Secret" bullshit right out of the water...

Jessica Alba has never once tried to contact me.

Sorry, that's your fault. If only you concentrated more, or were more sincere. Sort of like Linus and the Great Pumpkin.

94 MinisterO  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:13:46pm

This post appeared on Tea Party of West Michigan website. You can read more of Randy's thoughts there.

It's not as crazy as you think. It's much worse.

95 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:14:04pm

re: #90 Obdicut

I still don't fully understand why the GOP decided to use the culture war in election after election.

It gets the rather sizable "Rube Vote".

96 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:14:54pm

re: #84 researchok

That's easy in the sense that like the BD's I am without a doubt fiscally far more conservative.

On social issues I tend to be more liberal, as opposed to progressive. Thus, progressive social stands do not really appeal to me.

Come crunch time, there are few if any acceptable candidates.

yep. exactly.

97 celticdragon  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:15:48pm

re: #90 Obdicut

Good on them.

Seriously, this is a sad, sad piece of news. I used to be a Republican. It was my first party identification, back when Tipper Gore was calling for censorship of rap and P.J. O'Rourke was mocking her for it. I thought the religious right would be marginalized.

I still don't fully understand why the GOP decided to use the culture war in election after election. It has been extremely damaging to politics in the US, damaging to our educational system, and dangerous to our country's survival.

It started when Nixon used the "Southern Strategy" to peel off racist white voters after Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act.

That was the real start of the Culture War. Read some of the vile shit from GOP strategist Lee Atwater discussing how to appeal to racist whites in the 70's and 80's.

98 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:16:18pm

re: #93 calochortus

Concentrated more? On Jessica Alba? If I "concentrated" on her any more I'd go blind.
/and grow hair on my palms.

99 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:16:46pm

re: #77 Obdicut
re: #82 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't know, brother. I think we're kinda homeless right now.
Ah well, I shall embrace my political nomadism and vote for the right ideas rather than the right party.

Agreed. With all due respect to the Californian Democrats here when I look at the Democratic party dominance & the performance in my home state, (Cal) it's a big disincentive to join. Little financial responsibility and a willingness to promise unsustainable safety nets. Is the Berkeley City Council considering honoring Pvt. Manning as a hero any less nutty and backwards than Texas school boards denying evolution? If so not by much. Then we have consistent attempts (often successful) to interfere with 2nd Amendment rights of law abiding adults. An unwillingness to follow established state law as per CCW.

All of this is perfectly arguable of course, but the Democratic Party is not for me. Just not willing to end opposition to some of my principles.

100 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:18:53pm

re: #87 jamesfirecat

Wait...

What is the difference between a social liberal and a social progressive?

HUGE difference!

While I promote tolerance at all levels, that is a far cry from the progressive notions of acceptance and endorsement.

To my way of thinking, the very real 'tribal'/familial/group/religious alignments cannot be done away with. While it is true humans need human contact, we always first and foremost find out allegiances in those we most resemble, i.e., our 'tribal'/familial/group/religious alignment.

That will never change.

Thus, tolerance ought to be the real goal. I do believe many more conservatives would be open to liberal ideas if that were the goal. A lot of people fear anything beyond tolerance (sincere) detracts from their identity as part of the group.

That's the simple version.

There is also the matter of group dynamics in which both liberal and conservative groups are remarkably alike.

101 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:19:08pm

re: #99 Rightwingconspirator

Is the Berkeley City Council considering honoring Pvt. Manning as a hero any less nutty and backwards than Texas school boards denying evolution?

Yes. The city council may pass meaningless resolutions affecting a small number of people. The texas school boards do meaningful stuff that has actual effects on large numbers of people.


All of this is perfectly arguable of course, but the Democratic Party is not for me. Just not willing to end opposition to some of my principles.

I have no idea what you're talking about. The Democratic party doesn't have a coherent position on gun control-- you'll notice that with a Democratic majority and a Democratic president, gun rights didn't erode one whit. And Berkeley didn't even pass the damn resolution.

102 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:19:28pm

re: #99 Rightwingconspirator

I'm a long time Cali native, and I feel your pain. But cheer up, the goons in Texas consider our republicans to be RINOs.

103 MinisterO  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:20:06pm

re: #99 Rightwingconspirator

re: #82 Slumbering Behemoth

Is the Berkeley City Council considering honoring Pvt. Manning as a hero any less nutty and backwards than Texas school boards denying evolution?

It is less backwards by a considerable margin. Nuttiness is largely in the eye of the beholder.

104 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:20:07pm

re: #94 MinisterO

This post appeared on Tea Party of West Michigan website. You can read more of Randy's thoughts there.

It's not as crazy as you think. It's much worse.

You ain't kidding. From one of the comments:

I have to ask this question. Are you saying that when the frequency changes another kind of species is formed. Is this the same kind of electromagnetic frequencies that would happen if a terrorist unleashed an electromagnetic pulse bomb? Are the two related? If they are, does that mean if an EMP does go off that eventually there will be a different species produced? and can you put out some links so I can do some research?
105 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:20:33pm

re: #100 researchok

HUGE difference!

While I promote tolerance at all levels, that is a far cry from the progressive notions of acceptance and endorsement.

To my way of thinking, the very real 'tribal'/familial/group/religious alignments cannot be done away with. While it is true humans need human contact, we always first and foremost find out allegiances in those we most resemble, i.e., our 'tribal'/familial/group/religious alignment.

That will never change.

Thus, tolerance ought to be the real goal. I do believe many more conservatives would be open to liberal ideas if that were the goal. A lot of people fear anything beyond tolerance (sincere) detracts from their identity as part of the group.

That's the simple version.

There is also the matter of group dynamics in which both liberal and conservative groups are remarkably alike.

Okay...

Sorry I was sort of thrown because I'm sure to A LOT of people "Social Liberal" and "Social Progressive" means the exact same thing...

Can you give me some pin point examples of how the two different on actual political issues, I'm interested in learning more...

106 calochortus  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:22:24pm

re: #94 MinisterO

This post appeared on Tea Party of West Michigan website. You can read more of Randy's thoughts there.

It's not as crazy as you think. It's much worse.

If these people weren't out there voting and whatnot, this would be too sad to even make fun of.

107 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:22:38pm

re: #101 Obdicut

No, not the Democratic party as a whole. But the dems in California? Who-boy do they loves them some authoritarian gun control.

108 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:25:05pm

re: #104 wrenchwench

You ain't kidding. From one of the comments:

*blink....blink....thud*

109 Four More Beers  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:27:22pm

Don’t you want to be one of their Socialists Monkey Nuts only getting to eat the Rotten Nuts they decide to throw you?

Have a Good Day!

Yeah, You Too, Randy!

What In The Wide World Of Sports Is A "Socialist Monkey Nut?"

110 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:31:49pm

re: #101 Obdicut

Yes. The city council may pass meaningless resolutions affecting a small number of people. The texas school boards do meaningful stuff that has actual effects on large numbers of people.

Ah, but I made no claim about effects or numbers, my point was a similar departure from reality.

I have no idea what you're talking about. The Democratic party doesn't have a coherent position on gun control-- you'll notice that with a Democratic majority and a Democratic president, gun rights didn't erode one whit. And Berkeley didn't even pass the damn resolution.

The California Democratic party during it's legislative majority here has been very very hard on gun owners and makers. Undeniably. The national Democratic party supports them strongly and shares the responsibility thereof. They do nothing to discourage the regulatory excesses I can cite.

111 MinisterO  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:32:59pm

Another pearl from Randy:

The issue is our Constitution and what God given Freedoms, Rights and Liberties it gives Americans.

112 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:34:57pm

re: #107 Slumbering Behemoth

No, not the Democratic party as a whole. But the dems in California? Who-boy do they loves them some authoritarian gun control.

I lived in California. I didn't notice this authoritarian gun control going on to any great degree. I had friends who had guns, used them, and shot them.

I don't get why that is some ideological sticking point that would prevent you from joining the party. Do you refuse to vote for someone who supports whatever your version of 'authoritarian gun control' is, even when they're running against, say, a young earth creationist?

113 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:35:26pm

re: #105 jamesfirecat

Okay...

Sorry I was sort of thrown because I'm sure to A LOT of people "Social Liberal" and "Social Progressive" means the exact same thing...

Can you give me some pin point examples of how the two different on actual political issues, I'm interested in learning more...

Sure.

Let's start with gun control (obdi brought that up in comment).

Traditionally, the liberal stand has been to support the 'right to bear arms'. Liberals may want to see more controls, usually as it pertains to the sellers) only.

Progressives tend to want to limit gun ownership and usually back the idea of a registry (as was attempted in Canada and to some extent, the UK). Those ideas are squarely focused on gun owners. In addition, progressives tend to want to also highly regulate sellers.

Now without going into specifics, conservatives fear the liberal position, not because they find the ideas so abhorrent, but rather they fear the slippery slope.

Further- and lost in the progressive arguments- are the behavioral matters. Switzerland and Israel have far more guns per capita and far fewer gun crimes.

Liberal arguments tend to include behavioral concerns- recall Patrick Moynihan talking about intact families and birth control- and he was about as classic a classic liberal gets (he was an eloquent SOB- he'd confound his conservative opponents on a regular basis)! The same can be said for Henry 'Scoop' Jackson, another liberal who supported a strong military.

Hubert Humphrey fit that mold too. He was a classic liberal who bent over backwarrds to be inclusive of conservatives. That's why an agricultural (and conservative/religious at the time) state loved him.

Today's political climate allows for few men and women like them.

I could go on...

114 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:35:41pm

re: #110 Rightwingconspirator

Okay then. I'm really unsure why gun rights are a litmus test.

115 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:36:42pm

re: #114 Obdicut

Okay then. I'm really unsure why gun rights are a litmus test.

FEAR.

Slippery slope arguments...

116 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:38:34pm

re: #113 researchok

Sure.

Let's start with gun control (obdi brought that up in comment).

Traditionally, the liberal stand has been to support the 'right to bear arms'. Liberals may want to see more controls, usually as it pertains to the sellers) only.

Progressives tend to want to limit gun ownership and usually back the idea of a registry (as was attempted in Canada and to some extent, the UK). Those ideas are squarely focused on gun owners. In addition, progressives tend to want to also highly regulate sellers.

Now without going into specifics, conservatives fear the liberal position, not because they find the ideas so abhorrent, but rather they fear the slippery slope.

Further- and lost in the progressive arguments- are the behavioral matters. Switzerland and Israel have far more guns per capita and far fewer gun crimes.

Liberal arguments tend to include behavioral concerns- recall Patrick Moynihan talking about intact families and birth control- and he was about as classic a classic liberal gets (he was an eloquent SOB- he'd confound his conservative opponents on a regular basis)! The same can be said for Henry 'Scoop' Jackson, another liberal who supported a strong military.

Hubert Humphrey fit that mold too. He was a classic liberal who bent over backwarrds to be inclusive of conservatives. That's why an agricultural (and conservative/religious at the time) state loved him.

Today's political climate allows for few men and women like them.

I could go on...

Please do, because at the moment you've talked about Gun Control which I no longer consider to be anything close to a major plank of the Democratic party as evidenced by the fact that I can't remember Obama, Clinton or Edwards talking about it once during the 2008 campaign...

117 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:39:19pm

re: #115 researchok

FEAR.

Slippery slope arguments...

My question is, who is even making gun control arguments anymore? I don't remember any of the major democratic presidents doing it...

118 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:39:27pm

re: #113 researchok

If there were classical liberal candidates, I'd be a Dem for sure.

119 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:39:59pm

re: #112 Obdicut

I lived in California. I didn't notice this authoritarian gun control going on to any great degree. I had friends who had guns, used them, and shot them.

It's a regional thing. Not all parts of Cali are the same on that issue. What flys in Fresno doesn't fly in Berkley, for example.

Do you refuse to vote for someone who supports whatever your version of 'authoritarian gun control' is, even when they're running against, say, a young earth creationist?

If I find myself at odds with both candidates, I either cast write-in or no vote at all.

120 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:42:12pm

re: #119 Slumbering Behemoth

If I find myself at odds with both candidates, I either cast write-in or no vote at all.

You mean, if you're not 100% in agreement?

I doubt that is the case.

And in a system like ours, that really can function as a vote for the opposition.

121 Ming  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:42:45pm

So these nutcases don't like the theory of evolution. I wonder if they have any problems with the theory of relativity. "Hey, I'm down with the special theory of relativity, but the general theory of relativity just doesn't seem credible to me." Good to know that America is prepared to compete in science in the 21st century.

122 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:43:50pm

re: #120 Obdicut

You mean, if you're not 100% in agreement?

I doubt that is the case.

You doubt correctly. I will never be in 100% agreement with anyone. It's impossible.

123 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:44:26pm

re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth

So why would gun rights be the litmus test?

124 calochortus  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:44:27pm

re: #121 Ming

I imagine they do have a problem with it. There's a comment at that MI Tea Party site to the effect that science confuses us and leads us away from God.

125 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:44:46pm

re: #121 Ming

So these nutcases don't like the theory of evolution. I wonder if they have any problems with the theory of relativity. "Hey, I'm down with the special theory of relativity, but the general theory of relativity just doesn't seem credible to me." Good to know that America is prepared to compete in science in the 21st century.

Do yourself a favor, don't look up "Theory of relativity" on Conservapedia...

126 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:45:09pm

Oops...

re: #120 Obdicut

And in a system like ours, that really can function as a vote for the opposition.

What would you have me do if I find myself in great opposition to both candidates?

127 calochortus  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:46:07pm

re: #123 Obdicut

And even if it were, we have "open carry" laws here. You can carry an unloaded gun around with you, which doesn't argue that we have really strict gun control.

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:46:43pm

re: #123 Obdicut

So why would gun rights be the litmus test?

It is simply one issue of many. One could similarly ask you why would YECism be a litmus test.

129 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:46:45pm

re: #126 Slumbering Behemoth

In our system? I'd have you vote for the one who's least objectionable.

But again, I don't get why gun rights are a litmus test. I'm in favor of gun rights-- or rather, I think most gun restrictions do nothing to help solve the problem-- but I cannot for the life of me understand someone basing a vote on that issue. It's like basing a vote on someone's stance on DRM.

130 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:48:24pm

re: #128 Slumbering Behemoth

It is simply one issue of many. One could similarly ask you why would YECism be a litmus test.

Er, are you really equating gun rights with rejection of science and endorsement of a purely religious position?

YEC is important because it leads to stuff like rejecting AGW, evolution, and science in general. It comes part and parcel with attempts to have theocracy in government.

People advocating strong gun control normally think too many people get shot and they want that to stop. I think they're wrong that gun control can achieve that. But it's nothing like young earth creationism.

131 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:49:08pm

re: #129 Obdicut

In our system? I'd have you vote for the one who's least objectionable.

But again, I don't get why gun rights are a litmus test. I'm in favor of gun rights-- or rather, I think most gun restrictions do nothing to help solve the problem-- but I cannot for the life of me understand someone basing a vote on that issue. It's like basing a vote on someone's stance on DRM.

Hey do you know what a f***ing pain in the ass DRM can be? I can only install C&C RA 3 on five different machines!

132 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:50:21pm

re: #129 Obdicut

It's a constitutional thing, I guess. 2nd amendment and all that.

Personally, I am in favor of responsible gun regulations. Yet some parts of CA go so overboard as to be unconstitutional in their laws.

133 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:51:42pm

re: #130 Obdicut

Er, are you really equating gun rights with rejection of science and endorsement of a purely religious position?

Perish the thought! It was simply a rhetorical exercise.

134 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:51:44pm

re: #117 jamesfirecat

My question is, who is even making gun control arguments anymore? I don't remember any of the major democratic presidents doing it...

Gun control is like abortion. It will never go away. The issue may not be on the front burner, but it is always there.

My point is that liberals share a significant conservative ideal- the less government, the better.

That isn't to say classical liberals were against government involvement in society. They certainly were. The classical liberals however understood the 'hand up' was a far better idea than the 'hand out'. The Peace Corps and Vista were magnificent examples of that. Before that, there was the Roosevelt's WPA which in my opinion was the single greatest government program in history- anywhere.

Today, progressives tend to favor hand outs (and in a sense, who can blame them? They are votes bought and paid for) which in no way resemble liberal ideals. Today, progressivism encourages identity politics and the subdividing of 'special groups'.

I can point you to something i wrote on the subject a while back, if you like.

135 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:52:31pm

re: #132 Slumbering Behemoth

It's a constitutional thing, I guess. 2nd amendment and all that.

Please, don't retreat to that position. That has nothing to do with what I was talking about. The second amendment does not, and nobody argues that it does, garutnee absolutely unfettered access to any and all arms by every individual. Some form of regulation is agreed, by everyone, to be allowable. The argument is over the level.

Again:

YEC is important because it leads to stuff like rejecting AGW, evolution, and science in general. It comes part and parcel with attempts to have theocracy in government.

People advocating strong gun control normally think too many people get shot and they want that to stop. I think they're wrong that gun control can achieve that. But it's nothing like young earth creationism.

You probably agree with the guys who advocate gun control about there being too many handgun deaths in the US. You differ from them about how that should be solved.

You do not agree with the young earth creationists at any point.

That is significant.

136 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:53:37pm

re: #134 researchok

Today, progressives tend to favor hand outs (and in a sense, who can blame them? They are votes bought and paid for) which in no way resemble liberal ideals. Today, progressivism encourages identity politics and the subdividing of 'special groups'.

This is the essence of a broad brush picture, and a caricature.

137 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:54:01pm

re: #134 researchok

Gun control is like abortion. It will never go away. The issue may not be on the front burner, but it is always there.

My point is that liberals share a significant conservative ideal- the less government, the better.

That isn't to say classical liberals were against government involvement in society. They certainly were. The classical liberals however understood the 'hand up' was a far better idea than the 'hand out'. The Peace Corps and Vista were magnificent examples of that. Before that, there was the Roosevelt's WPA which in my opinion was the single greatest government program in history- anywhere.

Today, progressives tend to favor hand outs (and in a sense, who can blame them? They are votes bought and paid for) which in no way resemble liberal ideals. Today, progressivism encourages identity politics and the subdividing of 'special groups'.

I can point you to something i wrote on the subject a while back, if you like.

What "hands outs" do you object to exactly and how can we replace them with "hand ups"?

Also, sure send me your link...

138 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:54:12pm

re: #114 Obdicut

Okay then. I'm really unsure why gun rights are a litmus test.

Because they are important as in self defense important. Because the willingness to undercut a constitutional amendment and basic human right (self defense) I lose respect for the party via it's own platform. One litmus test, of two mentioned today.

When a party works that hard against any amendment, I'm not joining up.

Fiscal policy, immigration policy, etc. All wrong in my own view. Comparing this to the GOP is pointless, I'm not joining them either.

139 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:55:05pm

re: #135 Obdicut

Please, don't retreat to that position. That has nothing to do with what I was talking about. The second amendment does not, and nobody argues that it does, garutnee absolutely unfettered access to any and all arms by every individual. Some form of regulation is agreed, by everyone, to be allowable. The argument is over the level.

I concur. I was simply trying to offer an explanation for your "But again, I don't get why gun rights are a litmus test." It is not beyond the pale to think that for many, it's a constitutional issue.

140 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:55:39pm

re: #136 Obdicut

This is the essence of a broad brush picture, and a caricature.

Yes and no.

There are no great public works projects now as there have been in the past.

As I said, give me a Moynihan, Jackson or Humphrey and I'm there.

141 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:56:32pm

re: #138 Rightwingconspirator

Because they are important as in self defense important.

Statistically, not very, no.

Because the willingness to undercut a constitutional amendment and basic human right (self defense) I lose respect for the party via it's own platform.

Again: Nobody disagrees that some amount of gun regulation is needed, so I'm really unsure why Democrats favoring certain types of gun control is 'undercutting' the amendment.

When a party works that hard against any amendment, I'm not joining up.

Alright then. Never mind.

There is little hope for this nation.

142 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:04:51pm

re: #137 jamesfirecat

What "hands outs" do you object to exactly and how can we replace them with "hand ups"?

Also, sure send me your link...

The hands up programs (and some do exist) are relegated to the background. Kennedy, Johnson and the classical liberals I mentioned were iconic in that they lived by the 'What you can do for your country' as opposed to the 'what can your country do for you ideal'.

I believe that the successes of the civil rights movement (and yes, they are incomplete) could only have happened in the 60's and 70's, before the advent of identity politics and the fracturing into groups of society as we know it today.

MLK was a centrist and an inspirational figure to most Americans. As a humorous aside, there is some question as to his political affiliation- and that speaks volumes to his identity.

Here is a link to a piece I wrote a while back.

It is about the politicization of the LGT community.

Please read it keeping in mind my remarks are observatory in nature only. I suspect I don't have to tell you that, but I just want to reiterate the point.

Disabilities, Sex And Politics

143 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:07:52pm

re: #142 researchok

The hands up programs (and some do exist) are relegated to the background. Kennedy, Johnson and the classical liberals I mentioned were iconic in that they lived by the 'What you can do for your country' as opposed to the 'what can your country do for you ideal'.

I believe that the successes of the civil rights movement (and yes, they are incomplete) could only have happened in the 60's and 70's, before the advent of identity politics and the fracturing into groups of society as we know it today.

MLK was a centrist and an inspirational figure to most Americans. As a humorous aside, there is some question as to his political affiliation- and that speaks volumes to his identity.

Here is a link to a piece I wrote a while back.

It is about the politicization of the LGT community.

Please read it keeping in mind my remarks are observatory in nature only. I suspect I don't have to tell you that, but I just want to reiterate the point.

Disabilities, Sex And Politics

Dude... do you honestly think that being a transexual is about self hate rather than about someone's mental chemicals being off?

144 allegro  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:09:41pm

re: #100 researchok

HUGE difference!

While I promote tolerance at all levels, that is a far cry from the progressive notions of acceptance and endorsement.

So you tolerate, say blacks, but don't accept them? Ditto gays? Tolerance without acceptance doesn't seem... tolerant to me. Perhaps our definitions of tolerance vary.

To my way of thinking, the very real 'tribal'/familial/group/religious alignments cannot be done away with. While it is true humans need human contact, we always first and foremost find out allegiances in those we most resemble, i.e., our 'tribal'/familial/group/religious alignment.
That will never change.

This sounds like a desire for segregation. Is that how you meant it to sound?

Thus, tolerance ought to be the real goal. I do believe many more conservatives would be open to liberal ideas if that were the goal. A lot of people fear anything beyond tolerance (sincere) detracts from their identity as part of the group.

Please, define tolerance as you are using the word.

145 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:10:40pm

re: #143 jamesfirecat

Dude... do you honestly think that being a transexual is about self hate rather than about someone's mental chemicals being off?

In some instances, yes, absolutely. The literature is quite clear on that.

An enormous number of patients who have had the surgery regret it. Most likely, they were gay and still in the self discovery stage.

I cannot begin to tell you how sad and tragic these cases are.

146 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:10:41pm

re: #141 Obdicut

Statistically, not very, no.

Again: Nobody disagrees that some amount of gun regulation is needed, so I'm really unsure why Democrats favoring certain types of gun control is 'undercutting' the amendment.

Alright then. Never mind.

There is little hope for this nation.

You are really understating when you say "certain amount" of gun regulation. I did cite a couple concrete examples of regulations designed to interfere rather than help. Way over the top.

Self defense statistics vary widely, and are not the standard anyway. No more than we use statistics to judge the first amendment. Besides the ever debatable Lott had a great deal of his stuff correct. Single women alone at home deserve the option. As do others.

And I'll submit the "hope for the nation" has nothing to fear from me or my opinions on the matter at hand. I'm uncomfortable with your assertion to the contrary.

147 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:11:35pm

re: #78 calochortus

Actually, I've just been reading about these "attract good things with positive thoughts" gurus. I wonder if this guy has been reading them? Apparently they variously cite things like gravity, vibrations and quantum physics (Ludwig, wherever you are-don't look!) to explain how wanting something will bring it to you.

Snake-oil, git yer snake oil here, garronteed to cure athletes foot, crows feet, vapours, bad breath, AIDS and the common cold. Buy 3 bottles and git the fourth for double the price.

148 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:12:35pm

re: #145 researchok

In some instances, yes, absolutely. The literature is quite clear on that.

An enormous number of patients who have had the surgery regret it. Most likely, they were gay and still in the self discovery stage.

I cannot begin to tell you how sad and tragic these cases are.

But there are people who are genuinely transexual yes? People for whom the operation is the right option?

149 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:13:19pm

re: #144 allegro

So you tolerate, say blacks, but don't accept them? Ditto gays? Tolerance without acceptance doesn't seem... tolerant to me. Perhaps our definitions of tolerance vary.

This sounds like a desire for segregation. Is that how you meant it to sound?

Please, define tolerance as you are using the word.

No, not segregation at all. That implies a 'closed door'.

More along the lines of separation, in the most traditional sense, as demarcated by the groups I mentioned.

If this subject interests you, Wilfred Bion is the must read guy.

150 allegro  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:14:49pm

re: #149 researchok

No, not segregation at all. That implies a 'closed door'.

More along the lines of separation, in the most traditional sense, as demarcated by the groups I mentioned.

Sorry, not seeing a lot of difference between the two. It seems if practiced in reality it would have the same result.

151 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:15:41pm

re: #148 jamesfirecat

But there are people who are genuinely transexual yes? People for whom the operation is the right option?

Yes, absolutely! For them. surgery is a godsend.

What is fascinating is the most well adjusted transgenders actually avoid the spotlight and the 'politicization' issues.

They just get on with their lives.

152 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:16:45pm

re: #151 researchok

Yes, absolutely! For them. surgery is a godsend.

What is fascinating is the most well adjusted transgenders actually avoid the spotlight and the 'politicization' issues.

They just get on with their lives.

Well okay let me see if I read the paper correctly.

Basically your upset at the moment that someone being of a particular sexual orientation often forces them to feel extreme pressure to join a particular party or support a particular cause. Is that correct?

153 Spocomptonite  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:18:36pm

I think I lost like 5 IQ points trying to read that.
I'm going to watch some Aronra videos and hopefully regain some of those points, if they haven't been lost forever.

God Forgive America.

154 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:19:10pm

On the original post. Buddy, your English really bites. Is it your second language? Theory is not the same as hypothesis.

On gun control: I'd like the people who have guns to know more about them than which end the bang comes out of. I'd like them to not be batshit crazy. I'd like the people who use them have good target discrimination and I'd like them to be able to hit what they shoot at.

If that's regulation, so be it.

155 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:19:42pm

re: #151 researchok

Yes, absolutely! For them. surgery is a godsend.

What is fascinating is the most well adjusted transgenders actually avoid the spotlight and the 'politicization' issues.

They just get on with their lives.

I know a couple of people like that. God folks.

156 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:22:07pm

re: #146 Rightwingconspirator

And I'll submit the "hope for the nation" has nothing to fear from me or my opinions on the matter at hand. I'm uncomfortable with your assertion to the contrary.

Kinda. Due to the nature of our system, we have two parties. A viable third may emerge, but I think in doing so, it'll kill one of the two. The only chance we have of capable candidates emerging is within the context of the two parties.

The Democrats stance on gun rights may be bad. I think it is bad. But that is in no way sufficient to say that engaging with the party, joining it and helping to get the best candidates elected, is a bad thing.

The Constitution was not perfect, its makers were not visionaries, and the second amendment had a lot more to do with the responsibility of citizens to fight for the country than it did for self-defense. The concept of arms as a self-defense weapon would have been kind of funny to most colonists. They didn't walk around carrying pistols to prevent being mugged.

I don't think restricting guns will help solve our homicide rate. Neither do I think that restricting guns is going to inflict any significant harm on the populace. Simply because it's in the bill of rights doesn't make it of equal importance to other rights there.

And the right to privacy, unannounced in the constitution, is vitally important.

157 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:24:41pm

re: #90 Obdicut

Good on them.

Seriously, this is a sad, sad piece of news. I used to be a Republican. It was my first party identification, back when Tipper Gore was calling for censorship of rap and P.J. O'Rourke was mocking her for it. I thought the religious right would be marginalized.

I still don't fully understand why the GOP decided to use the culture war in election after election. It has been extremely damaging to politics in the US, damaging to our educational system, and dangerous to our country's survival.

sorry i bugged out there. wife came home, and she gets first dibs on me. (you're crushed, i know)

158 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:25:59pm

re: #150 allegro

Sorry, not seeing a lot of difference between the two. It seems if practiced in reality it would have the same result.

There is difference.

Transgender issues are about fundamental identity (man,woman,etc). Gay issues are more about orientation, community, etc.

Both are real but there are differences.

I am most sympathetic to gays because healthy transgenders, once the reassignment surgery is complete, become complete. They know their place in the world, so to speak. There are challenges of course, but they are living as reassigned person- a genetic flaw has been corrected in their case.

Gays have much harder time of it. There are familial issues, cultural issues, bigotry matters and so on. The list is long and diverse, in the same way the gay community is diverse.

I laugh at the people who are upset at DADT repeal. They see gays through a single stereotypical lens.

Gays who join the marines are very different than the gays marching in SF, or the gay accountant they might have, or the gay athlete and not know about and so on.

You have no idea how shallow (often unintentionally) some people can be.

159 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:27:31pm

re: #152 jamesfirecat

Well okay let me see if I read the paper correctly.

Basically your upset at the moment that someone being of a particular sexual orientation often forces them to feel extreme pressure to join a particular party or support a particular cause. Is that correct?

Bingo.

Transgender issues are far too important to be politicized.

160 SteelGHAZI  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:28:49pm

Guh. There's no way I could read through that whole thing without having a brain aneurysm.

161 allegro  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:31:06pm

re: #158 researchok

There is difference.

Transgender issues are about fundamental identity (man,woman,etc). Gay issues are more about orientation, community, etc.

Both are real but there are differences.

And this has what to do with the issue of separation v segregation? And tolerance v acceptance?

Gays have much harder time of it. There are familial issues, cultural issues, bigotry matters and so on. The list is long and diverse, in the same way the gay community is diverse.

Yeah, because asshole homophobes often make their lives hell.

Gays who join the marines are very different than the gays marching in SF, or the gay accountant they might have, or the gay athlete and not know about and so on.

Are they? Really?

You have no idea how shallow (often unintentionally) some people can be.

Oh sure I do. I see it every day. I have a feeling I'm seeing it even now.

162 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:31:18pm

re: #159 researchok

Bingo.

Transgender issues are far too important to be politicized.

I think the problem is that one party is seeing that there is political gains to be made in opposing what should be a basic human right.

In short I agree with you...

The problem is that the modern day GOP seems not to...

(At least in regards to gay issues I can't state transgender ones as clearly...)

(In some alternate history with no Southern Strategy we probably wouldn't have African Americans voting anywhere near as heavily Democratic as they do in this one...)

163 jea62  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:33:46pm

This would be absolutely hilarious...if they weren't hellbent on teaching this bullshit to my kid.

164 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:35:37pm

re: #161 allegro

insulting an honest person attempting to have an honest debate, huh? stay classy.

165 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:36:32pm

re: #162 jamesfirecat

I think the problem is that one party is seeing that there is political gains to be made in opposing what should be a basic human right.

In short I agree with you...

The problem is that the modern day GOP seems not to...

(At least in regards to gay issues I can't state transgender ones as clearly...)

(In some alternate history with no Southern Strategy we probably wouldn't have African Americans voting anywhere near as heavily Democratic as they do in this one...)

The GOP is clueless on the matter. Period. I like much of their fiscal planks but in the science department, they are lost.

By the way, to be clear, I do not see homosexuality as a 'genetic defect'. To me, it is more like an anomaly, as is left handedness, for example. There will always be lefties and there will always be gays and it will always be a pain in the ass to find left handed scissors and left handed watches If you want me to explain further, I can.

By the way, thank you for the quality of this conversation.

Really.

166 lostlakehiker  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:36:37pm

re: #121 Ming

So these nutcases don't like the theory of evolution. I wonder if they have any problems with the theory of relativity. "Hey, I'm down with the special theory of relativity, but the general theory of relativity just doesn't seem credible to me." Good to know that America is prepared to compete in science in the 21st century.

Actually, they do have "problems" with relativity. There's a site that snipes at relativity, correctly pointing out that it's not the perfect theory of everything since it doesn't seem to play well with quantum physics.

So what? Relativity correctly models more observations than does classical Newtonian physics, which doesn't play well with the results of the Michaelson-Morley experiment: the speed of light is the same in any inertial frame of reference.

Relativity is a hugely successful scientific theory. Any time speeds are high or gravity intense, it gives a better answer than does Newtonian physics, and it gives the same answer, to within what's the difference margins of error, for everyday situations where we habitually use Newtonian physics.

It doesn't suffer from the defect of giving answers inconsistent with well-checked observations in its own context: macroscopic situations. Newtonian physics, where it can be compared and contrasted to relativity, gives wrong answers every time.

What will be the half life of a fast moving radioactive nucleus? Wrong. What will be the deflection of the light of a distant star, about to be occulted by the sun? Wrong. What will be the kinetic energy of a fast moving nucleus of any type? Wrong. And on and on. Newtonian physics is a wonderful tool. It's simple and it gives decent answers in its own realm. But relativity does all that, apart from being simple, and does it better in a wider realm.

167 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:41:41pm

re: #165 researchok

The GOP is clueless on the matter. Period. I like much of their fiscal planks but in the science department, they are lost.

By the way, to be clear, I do not see homosexuality as a 'genetic defect'. To me, it is more like an anomaly, as is left handedness, for example. There will always be lefties and there will always be gays and it will always be a pain in the ass to find left handed scissors and left handed watches If you want me to explain further, I can.

By the way, thank you for the quality of this conversation.

Really.

Your view of homosexuality perfectly matches mine.

Some are right, some are left, some are bisexual.
Some are hetero, some are homo, some are bi....

I'm left handed by the way.

And by the way you know what the most sad and accurate thing is about the analogy?

[Link: www.commonplacebook.com...]


Yeah... way back well before there was such a thing as "pray out the gay" the church was trying to get left handed people back on the "right path" and you can guess the results can't you?

168 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:42:54pm

re: #161 allegro

My apologies for the confusion.

My reply was meant for jamesfirecat #148

169 allegro  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:44:42pm

re: #168 researchok

My apologies for the confusion.

My reply was meant for jamesfirecat #148

Ah, that makes more sense then.

170 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:45:10pm

re: #167 jamesfirecat

Latin for 'right': dexter
Latin for 'left': sinister

Yeah...dextrous and sinister developed into two fairly different english words, didn't they? Good thing there's no undercurrent there/

171 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:51:38pm

re: #167 jamesfirecat

Your view of homosexuality perfectly matches mine.

Some are right, some are left, some are bisexual.
Some are hetero, some are homo, some are bi...

I'm left handed by the way.

And by the way you know what the most sad and accurate thing is about the analogy?

[Link: www.commonplacebook.com...]

Yeah... way back well before there was such a thing as "pray out the gay" the church was trying to get left handed people back on the "right path" and you can guess the results can't you?

First things first- you know lefties actually have a measurably higher IQ, right? (We can leave it at that- I don't want to get into an IQ debate!)

As to pray the gay and forcing kids to use their right hand versus the left, well that goes back a long way.

Favoring the left was considered favoring the devil's or demon side (and that goes as far back as paganism.

The bigotry against gays is far more complex, as you can imagine. Anomalies were far less understood. Also, tribal/clan strength was often measured by population. Considering many children were lost at birth or in early childhood, the obsession was on procreation. When gays were seen together, it was taken to mean they threatened the clan's existence. The entire sexual focus was on fertility, procreation, etc.

The history is quite interesting

172 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:54:13pm

re: #169 allegro

Ah, that makes more sense then.

No worries!

James and I have been exchanging for a while. I just got caught up in it.

And then he'll ask a seemingly innocuous question.

(He does that on purpose because I'm not a lefty)
///

173 William of Orange  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 4:57:20pm

Behold!

God created the face-palm for this...

174 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:00:00pm

re: #173 William of Orange

Behold!

God created the face-palm for this...

That's a keeper.

175 Gus  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:02:56pm

Pathetic.

This is so bad it would make a good spoof.

176 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:03:47pm

re: #175 Gus 802

Pathetic.

This is so bad it would make a good spoof.

How are you?

OK, polite out if the way.

What am I missing?

177 Gus  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:06:36pm

re: #176 researchok

How are you?

OK, polite out if the way.

What am I missing?

Me? Hungover this morning. Fell back asleep this afternoon. Got up. Sold three records (Katy Lied, Aja, Tumbleweed Connection) bought 2 packs of cigarettes and a microwave cheeseburger.

Yourself?

178 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:09:48pm

re: #177 Gus 802

Me? Hungover this morning. Fell back asleep this afternoon. Got up. Sold three records (Katy Lied, Aja, Tumbleweed Connection) bought 2 packs of cigarettes and a microwave cheeseburger.

Yourself?

I'm good.

And not hungover.

179 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:11:23pm

re: #177 Gus 802

Any plans for the weekend that go beyond recuperation?

180 Gus  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:13:10pm

re: #179 researchok

Any plans for the weekend that go beyond recuperation?

I'm OK now. Went for a walk out there with just a couple of sweaters. Cold weather works better than coffee for waking me up it seems. Have an on-site meeting tomorrow with someone for what might be a small job.

181 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:14:22pm

re: #180 Gus 802

I'm OK now. Went for a walk out there with just a couple of sweaters. Cold weather works better than coffee for waking me up it seems. Have an on-site meeting tomorrow with someone for what might be a small job.

Excellent.

Keep me in mind for spring.

182 Gus  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:15:24pm

re: #181 researchok

Excellent.

Keep me in mind for spring.

Yeah, I still have to get back with you on that. So it's for the spring?

183 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:16:34pm

re: #182 Gus 802

Yeah, I still have to get back with you on that. So it's for the spring?

Yup.

Lots of changes coming my way- all good stuff.

184 Gus  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:20:26pm

re: #183 researchok

Yup.

Lots of changes coming my way- all good stuff.

That's good. I dream that someday people were start building houses and doing remodels like they once were before the bust. Build, build, build! Sigh, instead I only hear crickets.

185 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:22:00pm

re: #184 Gus 802

That's good. I dream that someday people were start building houses and doing remodels like they once were before the bust. Build, build, build! Sigh, instead I only hear crickets.

Things have somewhat slowed down here, but overall Raleigh weathering the downturn pretty well.

We're still in growth mode and now there are retirees coming down this way.

186 Gus  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:25:58pm

re: #185 researchok

Things have somewhat slowed down here, but overall Raleigh weathering the downturn pretty well.

We're still in growth mode and now there are retirees coming down this way.

Ah. Retirees. That's good for 1-story construction for future access. Set up the house like a Type-B unit for wheelchair access, etc.

187 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:27:32pm

Yeah, the smaller ranch is king.

188 researchok  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:28:07pm

bbiab.

burrito run

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:55:14pm

re: #119 Slumbering Behemoth

It's a regional thing. Not all parts of Cali are the same on that issue. What flys in Fresno doesn't fly in Berkley, for example.

If I find myself at odds with both candidates, I either cast write-in or no vote at all.

If Fresno has gun control, it's not so you'd notice it...just saying, based on my family there.

190 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:56:01pm

re: #121 Ming

So these nutcases don't like the theory of evolution. I wonder if they have any problems with the theory of relativity. "Hey, I'm down with the special theory of relativity, but the general theory of relativity just doesn't seem credible to me." Good to know that America is prepared to compete in science in the 21st century.

Check out Conservapedia on the theory of relativity.

But only if you're feeling strong tonight.

191 Funky_Gibbon  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:11:18pm

As soon as I got to the line about electro-magnetic frequencies I knew that article was going to be good... :)

It's kinda nice that they let 7 year olds write articles for them.

Oh and re: the other article about the majority of Republicans being Young Earth Creationists, it's not a great sign that over 30% of Democrats are too. You guys should be seriously concerned about the future of your country.

192 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:15:11pm

re: #180 Gus 802

Yeah!

193 emcesq  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:19:37pm

Just like not All Muslims are Terrorrists, not All Republicans are Nutcases. But it seems to me that percentage of Nutcases in Republican Camp is higher than percentage of Terrorists in the Muslim Camp. (i know about caps, just in case someone takes it the wrong way)

Shall we call them Republibans???

194 Rishonah  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:37:12pm

Oh, my God.

195 teleskiguy  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:27:46pm
I reproduce it here in its entirety because, well, it’s a major hoot.

A major hoot, indeed! It's like Idiocracy but for real.

-- sigh --


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