The GOP is more afraid of gay people than they are of nuclear war: Sen. Corker Threatens Reid: If You Bring DADT Repeal For A Vote, We’ll Walk Away From START.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:20:05pm |
Wow what jackasses.
What utter and complete jackasses.
Sorry I've got nothing more tactful to say.
Their is no figleaf of "the economy is too important/perilous. for us to deal with these things without taking care of tax cuts for everybody" this is just pure unabashed dickishness...
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Gus Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:22:56pm |
Seems rather cowardly. Bring the DADT repeal to vote and if Sen. Corker wants to vote no on the repeal he should do so and be brave enough to face the possibility that the repeal may pass. The only reason he is threatening this block is because he's afraid it will pass.
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researchok Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:28:12pm |
re: #3 Gus 802
Seems rather cowardly. Bring the DADT repeal to vote and if Sen. Corker wants to vote no on the repeal he should do so and be brave enough to face the possibility that the repeal may pass. The only reason he is threatening this block is because he's afraid it will pass.
Have you ever heard a kid say, "When I grow up, I wanna be a Congressman?"
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jaunte Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:29:15pm |
I’m just hoping that saner minds will prevail
I think Corker is working with a different definition than mine.
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Fenris Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:29:54pm |
But of course! I too am afraid of being rubbed with teh ghey, and rubbing radioactive fallout on your skin will clear it right up. And possibly give you superpowers!
/very sarc
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researchok Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:30:33pm |
re: #5 jaunte
I think Corker is working with a different definition than mine.
There is more than definitions that are 'different' with Mr Corker.
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webevintage Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:30:58pm |
Teh Gahay is a scary, scary thing to Republicans....
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simoom Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:32:36pm |
Sen. Lindsey Graham first wobbles in Corker's direction, telling Politico's Manu Raju:
[Link: twitter.com...]
Sen. Graham may vote against START, saying DREAM/DADT push has "poisoned the well." "The lame-duck is beginning to smell up the place."
And then wobbles back a bit the other way telling AFP's Olivier Knox:
[Link: twitter.com...]
GOP's Graham: "Never been true" that he told White House #DADT vote wld end his #START support, says he doesn't know how will vote
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Gus Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:34:40pm |
re: #9 simoom
Sen. Lindsey Graham first wobbles in Corker's direction, telling Politico's Manu Raju:
[Link: twitter.com...]
And then wobbles back a bit the other way telling AFP's Olivier Knox:
[Link: twitter.com...]
Was going to mention those which I saw at Plum Line. There was also this:
And Igor Volsky, who's been on top of this story today, has video of senators John McCain and Jon Kyl running away from the notion of any threat.
Same link as the one Charles posted.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:35:43pm |
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engineer cat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:36:02pm |
remember the controversy caused by the wall street journal article that called people who don't make enough money to owe income taxes "lucky duckies"?
talk about priorities! somebody remarked that the wall street journal thought that the worst thing that could happen to somebody was that they had to pay taxes
women may be from venus, but some republicans are from another universe entirely
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:37:59pm |
Yeah, the senior GOP guys promptly retreated. Gotta love it.
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engineer cat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:38:45pm |
which disaster are you most afraid of?
it has a funny accent, a whiney voice, and quits its job in the middle of its term
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b_sharp Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:39:25pm |
re: #18 engineer dog
which disaster are you most afraid of?
it has a funny accent, a whiney voice, and quits its job in the middle of its term
That cries out for an upding.
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jaunte Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:40:33pm |
Corker's tactical inspiration:
Image: lampoon.jpg
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:41:04pm |
re: #16 Charles
Yeah, the senior GOP guys promptly retreated. Gotta love it.
///Wow guess it is true what they say about bullies....
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simoom Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:44:48pm |
Hmm, also from that AFP twitter feed:
[Link: twitter.com...]
If you're just coming to the #START debate, GOP lining up behind @SenJohnMcCain's amendment to de facto kill the treaty. [2hrs ago]
Sounds like McCain's faction may be hinging their support on amending the Treaty's preamble, which would force it to be renegotiated with the Russians.
American Conservative Magazine:
[Link: www.amconmag.com...]
I’m watching the debate on McCain’s amendment, which is indeed an attempt to strip out the preamble language referring to defensive weapons. As I said, it’s worse than worthless, and it confirms that McCain will not support the treaty. Foster has updated his post to include Graham’s objection to the preamble language:Senator Graham, in remarks just now on the Senate floor, said New START’s preamble, which many believe contains an implicit limitation on U.S. missile defense, should be taken out of treaty, or else it “would be better not to do the treaty.” “You should not sign the treaty” without losing the preamble, Graham said.
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Gus Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:45:11pm |
re: #21 jaunte
Corker's tactical inspiration:
Image: lampoon.jpg
"If you bring the DADT repeal up for a vote I'm going to take my toys and go home!"
/
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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:45:31pm |
Hmmm. Tough call. Nuclear war is (so far) unlikely. Ron Paul is there every day.
But his half life is much shorter than isotopes. Nuclear war it is!
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Kragar Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:45:35pm |
Ah, yes, I see. Walking away from crucial legislation because you don't want to actually do your job and debate bills put before is exactly why I should support the GOP.
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Alexzander Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:46:37pm |
re: #12 Charles
Probably anarchists.
Ohh man, I know that's a joke but its really hard to just let it sit...
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Kragar Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:48:09pm |
re: #26 Rightwingconspirator
Hmmm. Tough call. Nuclear war is (so far) unlikely. Ron Paul is there every day.
But his half life is much shorter than isotopes. Nuclear war it is!
But with nuclear war, you get a post apocalyptic wasteland, mutants and the potential for superpowers. With Ron Paul, all you get is stupid.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:48:50pm |
re: #30 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
But with nuclear war, you get a post apocalyptic wasteland, mutants and the potential for superpowers. With Ron Paul, all you get is stupid.
Not to mention your bottlecap collection suddenly makes you look like a wise and prudent investor instead of a guy with a geeky hobby...
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Alexzander Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:49:21pm |
The scariest scenario of them all: a self-hating closeted-gay republican president during times of increased nuclear tension...
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Kragar Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:49:56pm |
re: #32 Alexzander
The scariest scenario of them all: a self-hating closeted-gay republican president during times of increased nuclear tension...
With Ron Paul as the VP.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:53:31pm |
re: #30 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
But with nuclear war, you get a post apocalyptic wasteland, mutants and the potential for superpowers. With Ron Paul, all you get is stupid.
GAMMA WORLD
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:55:01pm |
Ron Paul has a commanding lead in the poll.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:56:57pm |
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Gus Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:57:21pm |
re: #30 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
But with nuclear war, you get a post apocalyptic wasteland, mutants and the potential for superpowers. With Ron Paul, all you get is stupid.
Ron Paul would mutate into Mint Berry Crunch.
/
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jeffm70 Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:58:02pm |
Where's the option to vote for nuclear war fought with gay missiles?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:58:17pm |
re: #24 simoom
Hmm, also from that AFP twitter feed:
[Link: twitter.com...]Sounds like McCain's faction may be hinging their support on amending the Treaty's preamble, which would force it to be renegotiated with the Russians.
American Conservative Magazine:
[Link: www.amconmag.com...]
I actually favor McCain's amendment. I don't want the anti-defensive systems language in the preamble. If the Russians insist on it, then we should walk away.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 17, 2010 6:59:40pm |
Big doings in Japan. They take their defense force very seriously.
Japan moves on from the Cold War
The National Defence Programme Guidelines, which will shape policy for the next 10 years, point to China and North Korea as a bigger threat than Russia.
Relations between Japan and China have been strained since a territorial dispute over the Senkaku islands (known as the Diaoyus in China).
It began in September when Japan's coastguard arrested a Chinese fishing captain whose vessel had collided with two Japanese patrol ships.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:00:38pm |
re: #26 Rightwingconspirator
Hmmm. Tough call. Nuclear war is (so far) unlikely. Ron Paul is there every day.
But his half life is much shorter than isotopes. Nuclear war it is!
He actually scares me more than nuclear war, because him getting significant power is much more likely than nuclear war.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:00:46pm |
re: #38 jeffm70
Where's the option to vote for nuclear war fought with gay missiles?
Are there any non gay missiles?
Perhaps missiles that look like giant p***y's instead of c**k?
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:01:19pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
I actually favor McCain's amendment. I don't want the anti-defensive systems language in the preamble. If the Russians insist on it, then we should walk away.
That's fine if you want to say it, but you don't like this dickishness right Dark?
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Alexzander Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:02:07pm |
I had a nuclear war nightmare last week; I was on the west coast on a peaceful mid-afternoon overlooking an offshore island, when suddenly maybe 100 underground missiles launched, causing the air itself ripple out like a giant shockwave.
As the missiles took off into the sky I knew they were nuclear, and that we only had as long as it would take for the missiles coming from the otherside of the Earth to reach here before everything was over. I remember thinking to myself in the dream that all of my previous considerations of nuclear war completely failed to prepare me for the absolute horror of seeing those missles disappear into the sky.
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jeffm70 Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:03:07pm |
re: #44 Alexzander
I had a nuclear war nightmare last week; I was on the west coast on a peaceful mid-afternoon overlooking an offshore island, when suddenly maybe 100 underground missiles launched, causing the air itself ripple out like a giant shockwave.
As the missiles took off into the sky I knew they were nuclear, and that we only had as long as it would take for the missiles coming from the otherside of the Earth to reach here before everything was over. I remember thinking to myself in the dream that all of my previous considerations of nuclear war completely failed to prepare me for the absolute horror of seeing those missles disappear into the sky.
You can take comfort knowing God won't let us destroy the planet.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:04:04pm |
re: #44 Alexzander
I had a nuclear war nightmare last week; I was on the west coast on a peaceful mid-afternoon overlooking an offshore island, when suddenly maybe 100 underground missiles launched, causing the air itself ripple out like a giant shockwave.
As the missiles took off into the sky I knew they were nuclear, and that we only had as long as it would take for the missiles coming from the otherside of the Earth to reach here before everything was over. I remember thinking to myself in the dream that all of my previous considerations of nuclear war completely failed to prepare me for the absolute horror of seeing those missles disappear into the sky.
This it the most frightening view of nuclear war you are ever likely to see...
Want to know what makes it worse?
They worked with some actual technicians on this thing, and this is also probably THE MOST ACCURATE version of nuclear you are ever likely to see....
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webevintage Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:05:38pm |
re: #45 jeffm70
You can take comfort knowing God won't let us destroy the planet.
Or Thor.
Thor will save us.
But the real Thor, not the Australian dude who is playing him in the movie.....
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:05:46pm |
re: #35 Charles
Ron Paul has a commanding lead in the poll.
We are AnRonymous. We are everywhere and nowhere. We can not be stopped.
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Linden Arden Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:06:07pm |
I suspect a good bit of this GOP antipathy to the START treaty is based on President Obama scrapping that foolish Star Wars Poland/Czech missile interception garbage that Cheney and Bolton pushed for.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:08:11pm |
re: #43 jamesfirecat
That's fine if you want to say it, but you don't like this dickishness right Dark?
I'd rather just dump DADT and be done with it. It's not worth defending. It's a stopgap policy whose time has passed.
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jeffm70 Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:08:34pm |
re: #47 webevintage
Or Thor.
Thor will save us.
But the real Thor, not the Australian dude who is playing him in the movie...
Well he does have a day named after him, so he has to live up to it.
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albusteve Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:09:01pm |
our govt is chock full of a bunch of sick, self centered assholes...right and left, in the long run there is little difference...split hairs and analyze it all you want, they are all guilty and are driving this country into the dirt....this isn't governing for the people, it's a power game of self interest...important issues are neglected, while legislators and lobbyists hit the til and stroke for re-election...it's sickening and it's hopeless...the USA is going into the tank
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Kragar Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:09:12pm |
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brownbagj Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:09:56pm |
Now this poll is not fair.
I want to vote for Ron Paul!! But if I do, then it will state I fear him.
Or is that what THEY want you to think...
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Alexzander Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:10:11pm |
re: #52 albusteve
What's your analysis as to how it got this bad?
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:10:12pm |
re: #18 engineer dog
which disaster are you most afraid of?
it has a funny accent, a whiney voice, and quits its job in the middle of its term
Rotating title nomination!
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:10:51pm |
re: #50 Dark_Falcon
I'd rather just dump DADT and be done with it. It's not worth defending. It's a stopgap policy whose time has passed.
I was referring to the idea that some GOP senators are saying if the Democrats bring DADT up for a vote it will lead to them voting no on START.
You don't approve of such shameless political tit for tat trading, especially on such important military issues, correct?
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jeffm70 Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:11:08pm |
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:13:04pm |
re: #55 Alexzander
What's your analysis as to how it got this bad?
World governments using force to get what they want. A perfect collective would be much better. I know! Let's use force to get what we want!
Oh, and screw the People's Front of Judea. Bunch of hosers.
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albusteve Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:13:51pm |
re: #55 Alexzander
What's your analysis as to how it got this bad?
no term limits, limits on campaign funding, subsidies, and foolish, ignorant voters that allow the feds to fuck up everything they touch....the START treaty is just another glitzy glam ping pong ball, like everything else
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:15:28pm |
re: #57 jamesfirecat
I was referring to the idea that some GOP senators are saying if the Democrats bring DADT up for a vote it will lead to them voting no on START.
You don't approve of such shameless political tit for tat trading, especially on such important military issues, correct?
No, I don't. The treaty should be amended, IMO, but to vote against over a culture war issue can only be summed up with a vid:
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simoom Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:16:21pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
I actually favor McCain's amendment. I don't want the anti-defensive systems language in the preamble. If the Russians insist on it, then we should walk away.
I can see how some limits set in various parts of the treaty could be interpreted to effect some future attempt at missile defense, but McCain's amendment for some reason targets the preamble language -- isn't that supposed to be completely nonbinding (so that the only meaningful effect of changing it is forcing renegotiation of the treaty)?
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webevintage Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:16:46pm |
re: #58 jeffm70
Thor. He's gonna save us from the nukes you know.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Thor was on my brain because I read (again) today that a bunch of Conservatives guys (CCC) are upset because the awesome hotness that is Irdis Elba is going to be a Norse God in the Thor movie and he's black and (NOT REAL) GODS must be racially correct it seems.
It might be my favorite outrageous outrage of the week....
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Kragar Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:16:46pm |
re: #59 Aceofwhat?
World governments using force to get what they want. A perfect collective would be much better. I know! Let's use force to get what we want!
Oh, and screw the People's Front of Judea. Bunch of hosers.
I thought we were the People's Front.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:16:53pm |
re: #61 Dark_Falcon
No, I don't. The treaty should be amended, IMO, but to vote against over a culture war issue can only be summed up with a vid:
[Video]
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prairiefire Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:16:54pm |
Bunch of threads today. Busy lizards typing busily.
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albusteve Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:17:55pm |
ethanol for fuel...a perverted joke perped on the citizens by a small group of people, buying and selling themselves to each other....when will the feds stop that madness?....unintended consequence
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:20:21pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:21:05pm |
re: #62 simoom
I can see how some limits set in various parts of the treaty could be interpreted to effect some future attempt at missile defense, but McCain's amendment for some reason targets the preamble language -- isn't that supposed to be completely nonbinding (so that the only meaningful effect of changing it is forcing renegotiation of the treaty)?
It's normally non-binding, but I don't trust Obama and the Dems. They're liable to try cast defensive systems as "putting the treaty in jeopardy". They did that before with earlier arms-control treaties. I don't want to give the left and their media allies a weapon to use against US ABM efforts.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:21:19pm |
re: #63 webevintage
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Thor was on my brain because I read (again) today that a bunch of Conservatives guys (CCC) are upset because the awesome hotness that is Irdis Elba is going to be a Norse God in the Thor movie and he's black and (NOT REAL) GODS must be racially correct it seems.
It might be my favorite outrageous outrage of the week...
I'm still honestly a little divided on this....
Maybe it's just my inner liberal who wants to give everyone a fair shake.
Now the way they're reacting is silly and wrong, and the fact that they're white supremacists is double wrong.
But that said, I have to ask, (and I ask this honestly) would it be okay if we decided to cast someone white to fill the role of a traditional African God as white?
Weren't many people throwing considerable hate at the Live Action Avatar Movie's direction for similar reasons? (Casting white actors to play the roll of non white fictional characters?)
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albusteve Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:21:27pm |
this all consuming fixation on gay rights ought to tell you just where the feds are at in terms of governing....using a personal, private issue as political leverage....sick fuckers
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:23:11pm |
re: #68 albusteve
ethanol for fuel...a perverted joke perped on the citizens by a small group of people, buying and selling themselves to each other...when will the feds stop that madness?...unintended consequence
It's unlikely to be stopped. It's a cash cow for corn growers and thus ethanol will always command a great deal of agribusiness support here in Illinois (only Iowa grows more corn).
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simoom Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:23:25pm |
re: #62 simoom
As to it's effect on any current U.S. missile defense plans:
General Patrick O’Reilly, the head of the US Missile Defense Agency: Relative to the New START Treaty, the New START treaty actually reduces constraints on the development of the missile defense program… our targets will no longer be subject to START constraints, which previously limited our use air-to-surface and water borne launches of targets, which are essential for the cost effective testing of missile defense interceptors against medium and intermediate range ballistic missile targets in the Pacific area.
…The New START treaty also has no constraints on ballistic missile defense system deployment. Article V section 3 of the treaty prohibits the conversions of ICBMs or SLBM conversion to missile defense launchers and vis-versa, while grandfathering 5 former ICBM silos at Vandenberg Air Force Base already converted for ground-based interceptors. MDA never had a plan to convert additional ICBM silos at Vandenberg. Moreover, we have determined that if more interceptors are added to Vandenberg Air Force Base it would be less expensive to build a new GBI missile field, which is not prohibited by the treaty. Regarding, sea launched ballistic missile launchers sometime ago we examined the concept of launching ballistic missile defense interceptors from submarines and found it an unattractive and extremely expensive option.
Also, from yesterday:
[Link: thehill.com...]
Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. James Cartwright said Thursday that the Pentagon believes the U.S. needs the Senate to ratify the New START Treaty.Cartwright, accompanied by Defense Secretary Robert Gates at a White House briefing on the annual Afghanistan review, joined a laundry list of current and former military officials who have endorsed the treaty President Obama is now trying desperately to pass.
"All the joint chiefs are very much behind the treaty," Cartwright said. He added: "We need START, and we need it badly."
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Kragar Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:23:30pm |
re: #72 jamesfirecat
I'm still honestly a little divided on this...
Maybe it's just my inner liberal who wants to give everyone a fair shake.
Now the way they're reacting is silly and wrong, and the fact that they're white supremacists is double wrong.
But that said, I have to ask, (and I ask this honestly) would it be okay if we decided to cast someone white to fill the role of a traditional African God as white?
Weren't many people throwing considerable hate at the Live Action Avatar Movie's direction for similar reasons? (Casting white actors to play the roll of non white fictional characters?)
DIZZIE WAS A MAN IN THE BOOK!
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:24:07pm |
re: #72 jamesfirecat
I'm still honestly a little divided on this...
Maybe it's just my inner liberal who wants to give everyone a fair shake.
Now the way they're reacting is silly and wrong, and the fact that they're white supremacists is double wrong.
But that said, I have to ask, (and I ask this honestly) would it be okay if we decided to cast someone white to fill the role of a traditional African God as white?
Weren't many people throwing considerable hate at the Live Action Avatar Movie's direction for similar reasons? (Casting white actors to play the roll of non white fictional characters?)
yeah, i think it'd be fine on that basis alone. but you and i, being not racist and all, could consider the question in a sort of academic way. i'm not going to read their tripe, but i'm guessing that the inbreds over there doth protest too loudly...
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:24:25pm |
re: #71 Dark_Falcon
It's normally non-binding, but I don't trust Obama and the Dems. They're liable to try cast defensive systems as "putting the treaty in jeopardy". They did that before with earlier arms-control treaties. I don't want to give the left and their media allies a weapon to use against US ABM efforts.
///Would it make you feel any better if you knew that Those defenses may not actually work and thus it wouldn't much of a lost to loose them?
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:24:59pm |
re: #75 simoom
very interesting. good stuff, thanks.
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simoom Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:25:16pm |
re: #75 simoom
Oops -- left out the link for Gen Patrick O'Reilly's testimony:
[Link: wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...]
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Gus Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:25:25pm |
Yes. Politics was so much better during the good old days of Boss Tweed.
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jeffm70 Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:25:35pm |
re: #72 jamesfirecat
It's an outrage, like casting a non-white guy to play Jesus.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:25:44pm |
re: #73 albusteve
this all consuming fixation on gay rights ought to tell you just where the feds are at in terms of governing...using a personal, private issue as political leverage...sick fuckers
If they could just get all those restrictions off the books once and for all, we could move on, but nooo. Some politicians just want to keep dragging their feet on it.
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webevintage Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:26:56pm |
re: #72 jamesfirecat
I'm still honestly a little divided on this...
I'm not.
the only thing that matters is that Irdis Elba is awesome.
Like Samuel Jackson is awesome.
And he is the hotness.
Hot-Ness.
I'm more annoyed Branagh decided to pass over a real (hot) Norseman (Alexander Skarsgard) in favor of some Australian who looks like he lives in Arkansas and drives a real sweet truck with a Confederate flag in the back.
But really, don't get me started.....
;-)
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:26:57pm |
re: #78 jamesfirecat
///Would it make you feel any better if you knew that Those defenses may not actually work and thus it wouldn't much of a lost to loose them?
They work better than they first did and they will get better. I'm not willing to throw them out. I want START, but I have concerns.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:27:34pm |
re: #78 jamesfirecat
thus it wouldn't much of a lost to loose them?
i'll have what he's having/
(sorry, james, couldn't help myself)
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brownbagj Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:28:08pm |
The whole ethanol thing is one piece of the puzzle as to why so many do not trust the government or anyone associated with it on climate change. Al Gore, one of the early champions of climate change, basically recently stated that he pushed for ethanol to help his chances in Iowa.
All of them are taking us backwards.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:28:23pm |
re: #85 Dark_Falcon
They work better than they first did and they will get better. I'm not willing to throw them out. I want START, but I have concerns.
Dark... you may have wanted to choose a words other than "concerns"
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Gus Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:28:42pm |
re: #48 Killgore Trout
We are AnRonymous. We are everywhere and nowhere. We can not be stopped.
Speaking of which. Bookmark this for future use:
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:28:58pm |
re: #87 brownbagj
The whole ethanol thing is one piece of the puzzle as to why so many do not trust the government or anyone associated with it on climate change. Al Gore, one of the early champions of climate change, basically recently stated that he pushed for ethanol to help his chances in Iowa.
All of them are taking us backwards.
i think a brilliant lizard put a page up on that very subject a week or two ago...*cough*...
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albusteve Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:30:13pm |
re: #74 Dark_Falcon
It's unlikely to be stopped. It's a cash cow for corn growers and thus ethanol will always command a great deal of agribusiness support here in Illinois (only Iowa grows more corn).
massive amounts of fertilizer, pesticides and water....killing the land for some scheme to make money, while fouling the air even more, and it's the govt that's responsible
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laZardo Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:30:54pm |
re: #72 jamesfirecat
Weren't many people throwing considerable hate at the Live Action Avatar Movie's direction for similar reasons? (Casting white actors to play the roll of non white fictional characters?)
Where on earth are you going to find someone with blue skin?
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webevintage Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:31:51pm |
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:31:52pm |
re: #93 laZardo
Where on earth are you going to find someone with blue skin?
I was talking about Avatar the Last Airbender, but you're probably just yanking my chain...
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albusteve Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:32:01pm |
re: #87 brownbagj
The whole ethanol thing is one piece of the puzzle as to why so many do not trust the government or anyone associated with it on climate change. Al Gore, one of the early champions of climate change, basically recently stated that he pushed for ethanol to help his chances in Iowa.
All of them are taking us backwards.
yeah, heroic Gore the Whore....good grief these people are selfish
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jaunte Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:32:30pm |
re: #92 albusteve
Some supporting background:
The Gulf of Mexico Dead ZoneNitrogen and phosphorus were first used in fertilizers in the United States in the 1930s. Concentrations of nitrate and phosphate in the lower Mississippi have increased proportionately to levels of use of fertilizers by agriculture since the 1960s, when fertilizer use increased by over two million metric tons per year. Overall, nitrogen input to the Gulf from the Mississippi River Basin has increased between two and seven times over the past century.
[Link: www.tulane.edu...]
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webevintage Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:33:29pm |
re: #95 jamesfirecat
I was talking about Avatar the Last Airbender, but you're probably just yanking my chain...
See, I completely missed that whole kerfuffle.
And really, all I require from my comic book movies is a good level of hotness...see Iron Man/Robert Downey Jr.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:33:29pm |
re: #88 jamesfirecat
Dark... you may have wanted to choose a words other than "concerns"
No, I did it deliberately. That's why I put it in italics. It was a cue for you to post a trollcat.
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Gus Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:33:34pm |
Obama OKs tax credits for ethanol, solar power, home energy upgrades
...
Also in the package is an extension, through 2011, of five tax credits to promote U.S.-made ethanol. "Domestic ethanol production helps create jobs and economic opportunity in often overlooked rural communities," said the Bob Dineen, CEO of Renewable Fuels Association, an ethanol industry group, in a statement. He said it also "reduces America's tab to petro-dictators across the globe."
Sean Garren, clean energy advocate for Environment America, welcomed the package's extension of incentives for solar and wind energy but criticized as environmentally harmful the continued U.S. subsidies of corn ethanol and coal-to-liquid fuels. "They are not effective technologies to reduce our dependence on oil," Garren said in a statement.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:33:57pm |
re: #84 webevintage
the only thing that matters is that Irdis Elba is awesome.
*nods head vigorously in agreement*
Image: Shot_05_088_src.jpg
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webevintage Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:34:58pm |
re: #101 CuriousLurker
*nods head vigorously in agreement*
Image: Shot_05_088_src.jpg
That would be exhibit A.....
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albusteve Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:38:09pm |
re: #100 Gus 802
"Domestic ethanol production helps create jobs and economic opportunity
so does a war
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:39:11pm |
re: #89 Gus 802
Speaking of which. Bookmark this for future use:
I think our modern anarchists have lost their edge. I strongly suspect these techno-Anarchists aren't nearly as clever as they think they are and will be rounded up before they cause any serious problems.
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Gus Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:39:14pm |
re: #103 albusteve
"Domestic ethanol production helps create jobs and economic opportunity
so does a war
Here's an odd coupling of groups:
The other big winner was corn ethanol: producers got an extension of a 45-cent-per-gallon tax credit. That was opposed by many environmentalists and by other industries that use corn, including livestock producers. Given the growing fear of budget deficits, opponents thought they had a good shot at reducing the size of the tax break.
“The federal government should not waste another $6 billion on this needless subsidy,’’ a coalition that included the American Meat Institute, the National Taxpayers Union, the National Wildlife Federation and the Snack Food Association declared. Among the foes’ arguments was that with federal quotas in place for minimum use of ethanol, the subsidy would not increase the volume sold.
[Link: green.blogs.nytimes.com...]
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simoom Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:39:58pm |
re: #100 Gus 802
Obama OKs tax credits for ethanol, solar power, home energy upgrades
I think that was one of the porky bits the Senate added in when they took up the negotiated framework. I don't mind the renewable energy credits but I wish they'd limit them to stuff that's more of a net positive environmentally.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:40:41pm |
Which disaster are you most afraid of?
Trick question, 'cuz it's possible that nuclear war and Ron Paul would be a package deal.
///
Oh, and fuck you Sen. Corker for acting like a spoiled little brat that wants to take his ball and go home when he doesn't get his way.
Except in this case, "getting your way" is hating on gay people, and "the ball" is national security. Fuckin' D-bag.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:40:59pm |
SantaGate continued apace at my school today. Four more furious phone calls. My principal is looking slightly green around the gills.
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albusteve Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:41:45pm |
re: #106 simoom
I think that was one of the porky bits the Senate added in when they took up the negotiated framework. I don't mind the renewable energy credits but I wish they'd limit them to stuff that's more of a net positive environmentally.
it's not about environmental responsibility, it's about power and money...they simply turn a blind eye to the facts and the damage...re-election trumps everything
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:41:49pm |
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Lidane Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:41:57pm |
re: #72 jamesfirecat
But that said, I have to ask, (and I ask this honestly) would it be okay if we decided to cast someone white to fill the role of a traditional African God as white?
Why not? Jesus has been played by white guys for decades.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:42:09pm |
re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist
SantaGate continued apace at my school today. Four more furious phone calls. My principal is looking slightly green around the gills.
SantaGate? Give me a quick synopsis—I obviously missed it.
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albusteve Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:45:32pm |
re: #111 Lidane
Why not? Jesus has been played by white guys for decades.
white guys speaking English...who could give a crap, it's entertainment
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webevintage Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:45:46pm |
re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist
SantaGate continued apace at my school today. Four more furious phone calls. My principal is looking slightly green around the gills.
Is this part of the war on Christmas?
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Linden Arden Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:46:36pm |
re: #112 CuriousLurker
SantaGate? Give me a quick synopsis—I obviously missed it.
Santa is drunk on the Federal Reserve punch again - via Ron Paul.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:47:25pm |
re: #112 CuriousLurker
SantaGate? Give me a quick synopsis—I obviously missed it.
The Spanish teacher at my little Catholic school told the fourth graders (when asked) that she did not believe in Santa, and went on to lecture them about how Santa-belief was idolatrous.
Mass hysteria ensued.
Apparently she was asked the same question in my sixth-grade class yesterday. I knew I shouldn't have left the room to go get a cup of coffee.
Anyway, today, the principal dropped by to check in, because one of my sixth-graders waited until bedtime last night and then said, "Mom, there's something I have to tell you, even though Sra. said not to tell anyone or we'd be in trouble."
Yeah, if I was a parent, my heart would have stopped hard on that one, but it was about Santa.
Anyway, a reliable witness (another kid), says that Sra. said to the sixth grade what she was told to, namely, that she did not personally believe in Santa, and that Jesus was the reason for the season, but no idol worship talk.
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Alexzander Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:48:24pm |
re: #104 Killgore Trout
I think our modern anarchists have lost their edge. I strongly suspect these techno-Anarchists aren't nearly as clever as they think they are and will be rounded up before they cause any serious problems.
Modern North American anarchists certainly have - things look much messier in Europe and South America.
PS its easy to also pluck positive examples of anarchist resistance in the 20th century. Example; anarchist groups were some of the first to recognise and resist the rise of the Nazis (and consequently, some of the first to be raided/dismantled.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:48:37pm |
re: #114 webevintage
Is this part of the war on Christmas?
Sort of, it's an internal struggle between an evangelical teacher and a Catholic community. Along with my discovery that there really are kids of eleven and twelve who think Santa is real.
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Gus Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:48:50pm |
re: #106 simoom
I think that was one of the porky bits the Senate added in when they took up the negotiated framework. I don't mind the renewable energy credits but I wish they'd limit them to stuff that's more of a net positive environmentally.
That will be one subsidy spigot that will be hard to close. Considering that it already includes a rather large interest group that already has its tentacles attached to congress: agra-business. Namely Archer Daniels Midland.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:49:21pm |
re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist
The Spanish teacher at my little Catholic school told the fourth graders (when asked) that she did not believe in Santa, and went on to lecture them about how Santa-belief was idolatrous.
Mass hysteria ensued.
Apparently she was asked the same question in my sixth-grade class yesterday. I knew I shouldn't have left the room to go get a cup of coffee.
Anyway, today, the principal dropped by to check in, because one of my sixth-graders waited until bedtime last night and then said, "Mom, there's something I have to tell you, even though Sra. said not to tell anyone or we'd be in trouble."
Yeah, if I was a parent, my heart would have stopped hard on that one, but it was about Santa.
Anyway, a reliable witness (another kid), says that Sra. said to the sixth grade what she was told to, namely, that she did not personally believe in Santa, and that Jesus was the reason for the season, but no idol worship talk.
Also, the reliable witness says that Sra. did NOT tell them not to tell anyone.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:49:41pm |
re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist
SantaGate continued apace at my school today. Four more furious phone calls. My principal is looking slightly green around the gills.
What's up with SantaGate?
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Linden Arden Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:49:57pm |
re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist
Wasn't the original Kris Kringle a pagan?
I'm not sure myself. My idolatry is weak.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:52:38pm |
re: #100 Gus 802
Obama OKs tax credits for ethanol, solar power, home energy upgrades
It was also a payoff to Obama's friends back home. While Chicago is what most people think of when they think of Illinois, my home state is a major producer of corn. Ethanol subsidies a worth a great deal of money to certain companies in this state, and both parties compete to keep those firms happy.
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webevintage Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:52:58pm |
re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist
Along with my discovery that there really are kids of eleven and twelve who think Santa is real.
I'm amazed.
I had a hard enough time keeping up the lie as long as I did with my kid.
Luckily he told me when he was 5 "I know Santa is not real. You buy all the presents."
I would have been worn out trying to still "do Santa" with a a fourth grader, let alone a kid in 6th grade.
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Lidane Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:53:02pm |
re: #107 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh, and fuck you GOP for acting like spoiled little brats that want to take their ball and go home when they don't get their way.
FTFY :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:53:48pm |
re: #123 Linden Arden
Wasn't the original Kris Kringle a pagan?
I'm not sure myself. My idolatry is weak.
Saint Nicholas was a bishop in, I'm going to guess before I Google, third century Turkey or someplace.
However, the whole Christmas-gift thing has some deep European pagan roots as well.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:53:57pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:55:08pm |
re: #125 webevintage
I'm amazed.
I had a hard enough time keeping up the lie as long as I did with my kid.
Luckily he told me when he was 5 "I know Santa is not real. You buy all the presents."
I would have been worn out trying to still "do Santa" with a a fourth grader, let alone a kid in 6th grade.
Seriously, people are encouraging their nearly teenage children to believe that there's a medieval saint with reindeer flying around the globe delivering wrapped gifts, and then we wonder how so many of us can be YECers?
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Lidane Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:55:45pm |
re: #123 Linden Arden
The original popular image is based on St. Nicholas, who was Greek. However, there are elements of Odin in the Christmas tradition, like the stockings and reindeer flying through the night sky. Sort of:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Quick! Someone call the CCC. Christmas has Norse myths in it.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:56:47pm |
re: #128 Dark_Falcon
James, Norton is saying that page carries a Trojan virus.
Weird... try a direct link to the dev art page and tell me if that works better....
[Link: jamesfirecat.deviantart.com...]
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webevintage Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:57:01pm |
re: #130 Lidane
The original popular image is based on St. Nicholas, who was Greek. However, there are elements of Odin in the Christmas tradition, like the stockings and reindeer flying through the night sky. Sort of:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Quick! Someone call the CCC. Christmas has Norse myths in it.
Just make sure if they make a movie only white actors are hired or there will be hell to pay.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:58:01pm |
re: #126 Lidane
Meh, I prefer to be more specific. I don't care for the broad brush technique.
There are some in the GOP that don't hate gays and favor a repeal of DADT, but I will grant that they are in the small minority.
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albusteve Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:58:30pm |
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CuriousLurker Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:58:36pm |
re: #132 webevintage
Just make sure if they make a movie only white actors are hired or there will be hell to pay.
I wonder how Idris Elba would look in a Santa suit...I'll bet a lot of moms would be willing to stay up to find out.
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webevintage Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:59:21pm |
re: #137 CuriousLurker
I wonder how Idris Elba would look in a Santa suit...I'll bet a lot of moms would be willing to stay up to find out.
rawar...Santa Baby....
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Lidane Fri, Dec 17, 2010 7:59:36pm |
re: #132 webevintage
Just make sure if they make a movie only white actors are hired or there will be hell to pay.
I wonder if they flipped out when Samuel L. Jackson got cast as Nick Fury. In the regular Marvel universe, Nick Fury's a white guy, but in the Ultimate universe, he's definitely not white.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:00:35pm |
re: #137 CuriousLurker
I wonder how Idris Elba would look in a Santa suit...I'll bet a lot of moms would be willing to stay up to find out.
I'd rather see him OUT of a Santa suit--well, maybe with just the jacket, thrown over his shoulders--mmmm.
Good-looking man. The guy they've got playing Thor is pretty enough, but nothing to drool over. I assume he will look the part, though.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:01:16pm |
re: #131 jamesfirecat
Weird... try a direct link to the dev art page and tell me if that works better...
[Link: jamesfirecat.deviantart.com...]
Yeah, that one's fine.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:01:33pm |
re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist
However, the whole Christmas-gift thing has some deep European pagan roots as well.
Shoot, nearly all of the Christmas traditions people observe have deep pagan roots, including the time or year we celebrate it.
I think that's why the 'truly dedicated' tried to get the celebration outlawed, and were kicked out of England for their troubles. We call these people the Pilgrims, a.k.a. Puritans. :P
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:01:41pm |
re: #139 Lidane
I wonder if they flipped out when Samuel L. Jackson got cast as Nick Fury. In the regular Marvel universe, Nick Fury's a white guy, but in the Ultimate universe, he's definitely not white.
That was what my husband pointed out when I told him about the Thor story.
Hell, yesterday at my school we had a thirteen-year-old Filipina-American play Ebenezer Scrooge. She was very good.
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webevintage Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:02:49pm |
re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist
I'd rather see him OUT of a Santa suit--well, maybe with just the jacket, thrown over his shoulders--mmm.
Good-looking man. The guy they've got playing Thor is pretty enough, but nothing to drool over. I assume he will look the part, though.
Like I said, its all about the hotness.
Australian dude is not as hot as Eric Northman would have been...
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simoom Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:03:00pm |
re: #124 Dark_Falcon
It was also a payoff to Obama's friends back home. While Chicago is what most people think of when they think of Illinois, my home state is a major producer of corn. Ethanol subsidies a worth a great deal of money to certain companies in this state, and both parties compete to keep those firms happy.
The ethanol subsidy was added in by Sen. Max Baucus & supported by Sen. Harkin of Iowa. Other Dems insisted it apply to more than just ethanol. It wasn't in Pres. Obama's negotiated framework:
[Link: thehill.com...]
[Link: thehill.com...]
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Alexzander Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:04:14pm |
re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist
I was reading here for I think at least a year before I got an account, and I never realised that you were either a women or a gay man (or something in-between).
I had to look up Idris Elba; made me realize that I really need to finish season 3 of The Wire. I'm gonna go request it right now from the library.
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webevintage Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:08:21pm |
re: #146 Alexzander
I was reading here for I think at least a year before I got an account, and I never realised that you were either a women or a gay man (or something in-between).
I had to look up Idris Elba; made me realize that I really need to finish season 3 of The Wire. I'm gonna go request it right now from the library.
The Wire.
Best show ever.
If you like Irdis you can also be on the lookout for the BBC show Luther.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:08:31pm |
re: #145 simoom
The ethanol subsidy was added in by Sen. Max Baucus & supported by Sen. Harkin of Iowa. Other Dems insisted it apply to more than just ethanol. It wasn't in Pres. Obama's negotiated framework:
[Link: thehill.com...]
[Link: thehill.com...]
Cool. Thanks for the clarification.
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Lidane Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:10:01pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:11:59pm |
re: #146 Alexzander
I was reading here for I think at least a year before I got an account, and I never realised that you were either a women or a gay man (or something in-between).
I had to look up Idris Elba; made me realize that I really need to finish season 3 of The Wire. I'm gonna go request it right now from the library.
Woman. :)
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:12:40pm |
re: #146 Alexzander
[...]I never realised that you were either a women or a gay man (or something in-between).
*chortle*
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CuriousLurker Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:12:57pm |
re: #147 webevintage
The Wire.
Best show ever.
If you like Irdis you can also be on the lookout for the BBC show Luther.
Yep, it is. I just finished watching the entire series on DVD a few months back. I haven't seen Luther though—I'll have to look that one up.
I watched that crappy movie Obsessed just so my eyes could have the pleasure of looking at him for an hour and a half.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:13:03pm |
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webevintage Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:13:26pm |
re: #149 Lidane
He's also in the remake of Red Dawn.
What a waste of film....why try to improve perfection?
The first was the most awesome movie evah!!!11!!!!
Wolverines!!!!
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prairiefire Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:13:38pm |
re: #147 webevintage
I read very good reviews of "Luther". The gal he turns to who might be a killer(?) was fantastic in "Jane Erye"[Link: www.pbs.org...]
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webevintage Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:18:14pm |
re: #155 prairiefire
I read very good reviews of "Luther". The gal he turns to who might be a killer(?) was fantastic in "Jane Erye"[Link: www.pbs.org...]
HA!
That's where I've seen her before.
I kept thinking "who is that woman".
Dear BBC,
Thank you for putting lovely men in your productions.
Thank you for Luther and, yes, yes thank you for Doctor Who and my goodness THANK YOU for Sherlock.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:20:50pm |
re: #157 webevintage
Dear BBC,
Thank you for putting lovely men in your productions.
Thank you for Luther and, yes, yes thank you for Doctor Who and my goodness THANK YOU for Sherlock.
Now that you mention it, Inspector Lynley's pretty easy on the eyes too.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:22:44pm |
Gah! Where does the time go?? I've gotta run. Later, lizards.
And webevintage & SFZ: Sweet dreams, ladies. *wink, wink*
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bobster1985 Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:26:17pm |
I hate them. I hate those fucking Republican senators. I just hate them.
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palomino Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:32:39pm |
re: #160 bobster1985
I hate them. I hate those fucking Republican senators. I just hate them.
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